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<v Speaker 1>Does your supermarket have notions? Look for the signs cheesemongers,

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<v Speaker 1>Marista's pretend farmers' markets, forty three identical olive oils, and

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<v Speaker 1>the word artismal written on every available surface. If in doubt,

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<v Speaker 1>get yourself to your nearest Aldi, where you'll get all

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<v Speaker 1>the quality with none of the madness at prices. You'll

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<v Speaker 1>love Aldi. It's not complicated.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh hey, twenty twenty four, Ali here, and I did

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<v Speaker 2>not expect to run an Encore presentation this week, and

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<v Speaker 2>I hate that, I am, But I found out this

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<v Speaker 2>morning that this beloved guest who had become a friend

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<v Speaker 2>to me over the last many many years, has passed

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<v Speaker 2>away this morning. And I haven't heard all the details,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm just so sad and shocked. And his family

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<v Speaker 2>asked that we share some memories of him, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is such a fun time that we had and a

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<v Speaker 2>really great portrait of who he was. So next week

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to resume with all new episodes. But this week,

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<v Speaker 2>take a walk with me and enjoy getting to know

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<v Speaker 2>my friend Ronnie Klein, including a really beautiful voicemail from

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<v Speaker 2>him at the end. Hey, Hi, Hi, it's your buddy

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<v Speaker 2>Alley Ward So let's talk about dusty books and stuffed

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<v Speaker 2>buffalo and relics that would make Indiana Jones just randy.

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<v Speaker 2>So museums are those hollowed institutions that we use as

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<v Speaker 2>marble tiled storage lockers for history. In this week's episode,

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<v Speaker 2>I sat down with someone who gets to wear the

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<v Speaker 2>gloves and just ignore the velvet rope things and stick

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<v Speaker 2>around after the crowds filter out and keep watch for

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<v Speaker 2>vintage ghosts. Let's talk about musology, which is a word.

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<v Speaker 2>But first I like to thank you listeners for making

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast possible. It wouldn't exist without you, So thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for the Patreon donations which allow me to pay

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<v Speaker 2>an editor, Hi Stephen, and for buying merch at ologismarch

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<v Speaker 2>dot com. There are cool t shirts and stuff up there. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>you rating and subscribing in review helps so, so so

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<v Speaker 2>much because it keeps ologies up in the charts for

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<v Speaker 2>other people to discover and say, hey, cool podcast. So

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<v Speaker 2>consider it like voting. It's free and it helps keep

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<v Speaker 2>good things happening. Also, I'm a creep and I read

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<v Speaker 2>every review because I'm thirsty and they make my day.

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<v Speaker 2>This week, the review I want to read is from

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<v Speaker 2>someone calling himself, Nick the jag Off, don't need to

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<v Speaker 2>know why such a nice review essentially said that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a wild mix between a spirit animal, soulmate, crazy aunt,

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<v Speaker 2>a devil on my shoulder, and a teacher can't get

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<v Speaker 2>enough loves the podcast, and then gave me two stars

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<v Speaker 2>out of five. I think that was an accident, Nick

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<v Speaker 2>the Jagoff, because your review was so glowing and so nice.

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<v Speaker 2>But I saw that two out of five stars and

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<v Speaker 2>was like just a slip of the finger. But I

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed your words, and I enjoy all of your reviews.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for leaving them. Okay, back to museums.

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<v Speaker 2>So museum the word comes into Greek for the muses.

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<v Speaker 2>These were goddesses who served two and spire poets. Zeus

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<v Speaker 2>had nine daughters, all muses of different things like poetry

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<v Speaker 2>and astronomy and dance at comedy tragedy. So nowadays our

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<v Speaker 2>muses would be like the muse of tweets and one

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<v Speaker 2>for memes and amuse for freestyle rap or photocropping or

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<v Speaker 2>winged eyeliner parallel parking needs amuse. They're all arts now.

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<v Speaker 2>This ologist has been an Internet friend of mine for

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<v Speaker 2>a few years. I feel like we're homies. His Instagram

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<v Speaker 2>museum Rannie is filled with all kinds of magical antiquities,

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<v Speaker 2>so I was so excited to meet him in person.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a museum collections manager. He oversees twenty two museums

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<v Speaker 2>for the California Department of State Parks. Twenty two. That's

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<v Speaker 2>more museums and I have friends. I drove to an

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<v Speaker 2>industrial district outside of Sacramento one winter's morning to this huge,

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<v Speaker 2>pristine warehouse. It was filled to its metal gills with

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<v Speaker 2>immaculate shelves, caring the kind of treasures you'd find in

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<v Speaker 2>an antique mall if it were also in heaven and

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<v Speaker 2>you were dead and everything was perfect. He gave me

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<v Speaker 2>a tour, and then we pulled up seats in a

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<v Speaker 2>conference room and chatted about everything from recent fires and

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<v Speaker 2>Sonoma threatening his state park museums and evacuations, and his

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<v Speaker 2>favorite museum pieces ever, and what curators really think when

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<v Speaker 2>you take selfies in their exhibits. Also, there's information in

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<v Speaker 2>here about mummies and shrunken heads, that changing attitude toward

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<v Speaker 2>his story, and hot dogs. He's great. Please ready your

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<v Speaker 2>ears and behold the precious wonder of musiologist Ronnie Klein.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think I've ever been interviewed ever. Really, this

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't work, you can trash it. I'm okay with it, Ronnie.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to trash this. Tell me about the

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<v Speaker 2>first museum that you went to. Do you remember?

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<v Speaker 3>I do. It was on a field trip. Okay, it

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<v Speaker 3>was in the Sacramento It was the California State Railroad Museum,

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<v Speaker 3>and I do remember kind of just being kind of

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I feel like we were free and

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<v Speaker 3>just running around like crazy kids and jumping through things

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<v Speaker 3>and exploring the museum ourselves, no guidance whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>Where were the docents during this?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean sweet docents. They're very sweet, but sometimes they're

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<v Speaker 3>a little older than the children that are running around.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you like any museum movies?

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<v Speaker 3>I realized that there are no good museum movies really

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<v Speaker 3>that I've seen. I even watched a movie this week

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<v Speaker 3>in anticipation for this question, thinking it was going to

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<v Speaker 3>be a good museum movie if you were doing your homework.

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<v Speaker 3>I was. It was. It's called Bringing Bringing Him Home, Baby,

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<v Speaker 3>Bringing Back Baby, and it's with Cary Grant, oh Audrey Hepburn. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>romantic comedy. I'm like, okay, this is up my alley.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to be great. And then it was just

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<v Speaker 3>like it was very frustrating. It has good reviews.

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<v Speaker 2>What museum did it take place in.

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<v Speaker 3>A natural history museum? So Carry Grant was a zoologist

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<v Speaker 3>and he was putting well, he was a zoologist, but

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<v Speaker 3>he was putting together a dinosaur. Well, so but any news, Yeah, right.

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<v Speaker 2>What about night at the museum?

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<v Speaker 3>No? Okay, I mean, you know, it's fine. And I

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<v Speaker 3>was like researching. I was like, there has to be

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<v Speaker 3>a good museum. So I was asking other museum friends

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<v Speaker 3>and trying to find asking other curators, like, what do

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<v Speaker 3>you know of any museums that like feature a curator.

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<v Speaker 3>There has to be like some sort of movie where

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<v Speaker 3>Tom Hanks is a curator that's like sitting with his objects,

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<v Speaker 3>longing for Meg Ryan. But there was no thing at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't wonder Woman have like a day job as a

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<v Speaker 2>museum curator.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never seen a wonder Woman.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she might like work in a museum in

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<v Speaker 2>the daytime. Did a little googling and yes, wonder Woman

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<v Speaker 2>aka Diana Prince forgot she had another name. Is supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to Moonlight or daylight rather as an art historian. So

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<v Speaker 2>her office in the movie I went and looked has

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<v Speaker 2>like ancient swords and a primate skull just hanging out

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<v Speaker 2>on her desk like a half eaten bagel. She's got

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<v Speaker 2>a microscope. It's kind of like my personal pinterest Wonderland,

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<v Speaker 2>and I remembered it was cool, but I had forgotten

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<v Speaker 2>that it was supposed to be at this little place

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<v Speaker 2>called the Louver. She's supposed to work at a louver?

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<v Speaker 2>Heard of it? Yeah, that part like slip Madome. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>and you know who else is on? Did you ever

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<v Speaker 2>see Scandal?

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<v Speaker 3>No? See, I'm terribout watching things.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a villain in Scandal who is like a secret operative,

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<v Speaker 2>but his cover day job is the curator of the

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<v Speaker 2>Smithsonian And you're like, oh, you're the curator of the

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<v Speaker 2>SMITHSONI in DC, like you could never get away with

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<v Speaker 2>having a second life. So who handles popa Pope's outlook inbox?

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<v Speaker 2>And like wonder Woman's voicemails? Do you know how much

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<v Speaker 2>work it is to be a curator of antiquities? Already?

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<v Speaker 2>You got staff meetings, so much insurance paperwork. Who has

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<v Speaker 2>time to be a spy? Or save the world. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. You're about to find out how much work

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<v Speaker 2>it is. I got a calm down. When you go

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<v Speaker 2>on vacation, do you go to museums or are you

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<v Speaker 2>like enough?

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<v Speaker 3>No? I try to go to museums. Yeah, it's funny

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<v Speaker 3>because I mostly adventure around California, so I do working

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<v Speaker 3>for California State Parks. So state parks are kind of

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<v Speaker 3>the best and best at both worlds. You get museum

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<v Speaker 3>and you get hiking, So state parks kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>bring it all in. So I kind of stick to those.

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<v Speaker 2>So tell me the difference between a national park and

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<v Speaker 2>a state park and just a park park. I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 2>that I don't know this.

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<v Speaker 3>No, So a national park is being their funds are

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<v Speaker 3>being cut by Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, cool. So there are fifty nine national parks in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States and they're overseen by the federal government

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<v Speaker 2>for better or for worse. But there are also over

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<v Speaker 2>ten thousand state parks in the US and they're operated

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<v Speaker 2>by each individual state. Now, don't sleep on state parks, folks.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently they're super dope and underrated, so admission is cheaper,

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<v Speaker 2>they're usually less crowded, they have trails, and campsites and

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<v Speaker 2>museums on them, like the twenty two museums that Ronnie overseas.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude knows museums. Do you have a favorite museum ever?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is that a dick question to ask?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's an interesting question because I do. So

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<v Speaker 3>I got into the museum profession a little bit late

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<v Speaker 3>in the game. I'm thirty seven now, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>I know, but I'm one year in too as a

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<v Speaker 3>museum collections manager. Okay, So on my thirtieth birthday, I

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<v Speaker 3>went to Jack London stat Historic Park.

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<v Speaker 2>Quick pause for some much needed context on Jack London.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna want to know this. I didn't know this

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<v Speaker 2>until I just looked it up. And now I'm low

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<v Speaker 2>key obsessed with Jack London too. I guess like not

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<v Speaker 2>to step on Ronnie's personal brand, but dude, I love

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<v Speaker 2>Jack London now, okay. So Jack London was born in

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen seventies, and he was one of the first like

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<v Speaker 2>celebrity writers to really make it big like he predated Hemingway,

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<v Speaker 2>and he had serialized stories in magazines and he went

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<v Speaker 2>on to write a grip of novels like White Fang

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<v Speaker 2>and Call in the Wild and His work usually involved

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<v Speaker 2>nature and adventure. He was also a war correspondent. He

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<v Speaker 2>was an advocate for unionization and for animal rights. He

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<v Speaker 2>had this crazy life that involved his mother surviving a

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<v Speaker 2>suicide attempt via gunshot well pregnant with him. Then he

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<v Speaker 2>was raised by Virginia Prentiss, a former slave, and at

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<v Speaker 2>one point he became an oyster pirate what and then

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<v Speaker 2>went on to go to the Alaskan gold Rush. He

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<v Speaker 2>resided in the South Pacific on a boat called the Snark.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude could live, he could also die early at the

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<v Speaker 2>age of forty of kidney disease or maybe maybe possibly

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<v Speaker 2>morphine overdose from managing the pain of it. So he

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<v Speaker 2>died in his sleeping porch which I looked this up

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<v Speaker 2>as a screened off breezy area in his home in

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<v Speaker 2>Glen Ellen, California, and on the property he and his

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<v Speaker 2>wife's ashes are under a mossy rock you can go

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<v Speaker 2>look at anyway. Ronnie is a fan of Jack London

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<v Speaker 2>and onward. When you hear his name, feel free to

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<v Speaker 2>take a large swig of whatever beverage is in front

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<v Speaker 2>of you to honor him. Or you could do like

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<v Speaker 2>a small dance with your butt in your chair. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care, just celebrate. So before Ronnie started working in museums,

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<v Speaker 2>he visited this Sonoma Valley, Glen Ellen property on his

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<v Speaker 2>thirtieth birthday just for funzies.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I always really love Jack London. Wanted to go

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<v Speaker 3>see that museum. You like, it's a house museum on

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<v Speaker 3>his house museum is my favorite because you get to

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<v Speaker 3>fast forward seven years later and I'm the collections manager

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<v Speaker 3>It's amazing. It's really cool. So I look back, like

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<v Speaker 2>So what does it mean to be a musicologist and

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<v Speaker 2>is it a it's a musicologist and not a museumologist.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, It's interesting in America people say museum studies instead

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<v Speaker 3>of musiology. In Europe, musicology is more popular, but it

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<v Speaker 3>seems like we're bringing it back, musicology back, bringing it

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, hell yeah, we're bringing it back with this

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<v Speaker 3>If I well, and I think that, you know right now,

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<v Speaker 3>it's weird. I think about museums in a different way

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<v Speaker 3>today than I did maybe two years ago. I think museums,

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<v Speaker 3>in my mind, have become more important socially than they

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<v Speaker 3>have the were two years ago. And I think it

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<v Speaker 3>is a musiologist like responsibility to take care of collections,

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<v Speaker 3>but you could be someone that writes exhibit panels, creates exhibits,

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<v Speaker 3>does the lighting for exhibits. It's very broad, but I

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<v Speaker 3>be a space that everyone is welcome. Especially if you're

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<v Speaker 3>a public museum, that should mean that everyone in the

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<v Speaker 3>public is welcome, no matter who they are.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to be a savant about lanterns to

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<v Speaker 2>go to a mining museum.

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<v Speaker 3>Not at all. That's the thing that I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>a misconcept which I would love to start changing, is

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<v Speaker 3>that anybody should go to every museum to learn something.

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<v Speaker 2>So you don't have to be an aficionado of the topic.

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<v Speaker 2>Just go to museum and you might pick up some inspiration,

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<v Speaker 2>or you might pick up even one fact is worth it.

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<v Speaker 3>Nowadays with technology and the Internet or whatever, you can

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<v Speaker 3>just go in Wikipedia and read about anything, so like

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<v Speaker 3>I think it'd be it's a goal, and it should

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<v Speaker 3>be a goal for every museum to supply information and

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<v Speaker 3>an experience that you can't pick up from Wikipedia.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you feel about people who go through museums

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<v Speaker 2>and photograph all the artifacts? Do you think it's good

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<v Speaker 2>that they have a picture of it or are you like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I wish that people were a little bit more in

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<v Speaker 2>the moment. Then again, you have pictures from Jack London

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<v Speaker 2>that you're glad that you have. But how do you

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<v Speaker 2>feel about the intersection between people's personal technology and these

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<v Speaker 3>I love it, and I think that's hopefully that's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the younger musiologists. I feel the same way.

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<v Speaker 3>I think. I mean my Instagram, I'm constantly taking pictures

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<v Speaker 3>of things I'm doing in my museum and sharing them

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<v Speaker 3>and video and putting them in music, And because I

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<v Speaker 3>think that you just you want to share the experience

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<v Speaker 3>with everyone, especially like if you take a picture at

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<v Speaker 3>Hurst Castle, for example, nothing beats being there and seeing

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<v Speaker 3>the image, you know, going to Hurst Castle, walking through

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<v Speaker 3>sharing the images just hopefully excites people to want to

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me a little bit about musiology. What's the educational structure, like,

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<v Speaker 2>like do you study in a classroom about museums? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you go to museums and a lectures like here's how

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<v Speaker 2>this has been curated.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the museum world is very I don't know, it

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<v Speaker 3>seems like it's a very It's almost sometimes like a

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<v Speaker 3>secret society. It's hard to get into. But so I major.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a major in history. But while I was

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<v Speaker 3>going to college, I spent four years working as a

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<v Speaker 3>student archivist at California State Park's photographic Archive, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>where I was introduced to the Californy State Parks Museum world.

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<v Speaker 2>So from there, he graduated in two thousand and nine,

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<v Speaker 2>but the recession hit and he thought, oh, maybe he

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know what I was going to do, something

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<v Speaker 3>in history. So I ended up leaving and starting a

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<v Speaker 3>hot dog cart and onea yeah, it's very So I

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<v Speaker 3>had it on my bucket list to have a hot dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Cart, and I already love you.

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<v Speaker 3>When the recession hit, I was like, well, I guess

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<v Speaker 3>now is a better time than any just have a

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<v Speaker 3>hot dog cart. So I ended up having a hot

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<v Speaker 3>dog cart on a corner street of downtown Sacramento for

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<v Speaker 3>two years. What was it called State Bear Sausage and Dogs. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I secretly made my own sausages in my home and

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<v Speaker 3>sold them there illegally, which was a hit but amazing,

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<v Speaker 3>and I had five out of five stars on Yelp.

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<v Speaker 2>When I left, I looked it up and his hot

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<v Speaker 2>dog cart was legit, like he served wild boar sausage

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<v Speaker 2>and he had a Mediterranean dog with feta and cucumbers.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a photo I found of a b aproned Ronnie

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<v Speaker 2>This is all smiles with a colorful umbrella in the

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<v Speaker 2>background on a corner in Sacramento. He's holding up a

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<v Speaker 3>But so anyway, so I did that for two years

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<v Speaker 3>and then I realized do I want to be doing

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<v Speaker 3>this when I'm fifty? And I thought, ah, now, what

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<v Speaker 3>do I really want to be doing? And it was

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<v Speaker 3>working in museums.

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<v Speaker 2>So what was that epiphany? Like, was there a moment

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<v Speaker 2>where you were like, you were like stuffing a sausage

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<v Speaker 2>casing with a ski mask on because it's illegal, and

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<v Speaker 2>you were like, no, I can't do this, or were

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<v Speaker 2>you more inspired by something in a museum, Like what

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<v Speaker 2>was that moment where you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, so, okay. So I strategically placed my hot dog

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<v Speaker 3>cart on the corner of the headquarters for California State

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<v Speaker 3>Parks in downtown Sacramento, and so I would always have

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<v Speaker 3>connections the State Parks people that I used to work

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<v Speaker 3>with or even new people, and so I would always

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<v Speaker 2>How fucking genius is this?

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<v Speaker 3>And the more and more I saw those people, the

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<v Speaker 3>more and more I realized that I really belonged working

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<v Speaker 3>for a califern and state parks. That's so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>So you'd you'd like sling sausage and then you're like

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<v Speaker 2>these are my people.

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely, yeah, totally, that is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you put your you put your hot dog cart

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<v Speaker 2>there on purpose because you liked state parks.

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<v Speaker 3>There was there were corners to choose from, and I

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<v Speaker 3>knew that was the corner. I scoped it out. I

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<v Speaker 3>knew that that was the corner. If I had the opportunity,

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<v Speaker 3>that's where I would be. And that's where I was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the wind. It's the windiest corner in Sacramento.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's you would not believe how windy it is,

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<v Speaker 3>and you would not believe how much wind affects a

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<v Speaker 3>hot dog cart that goes off of propane gas. Really

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<v Speaker 3>very wendy, very upsetting.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was worth it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I loved it. I mean I would probably

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<v Speaker 3>never do it again, but it was a bucket listening

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<v Speaker 3>and it was amazing. I owned a hot dog cart.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, did you ever read Confederacy of Dunces. No, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a hawk talk carts really New Orleans. It's fascinating and

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<v Speaker 2>it's infuriating and it gives you so many emotions. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's definitely about like hashtag hot dog cart life. So

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<v Speaker 2>side note, this book's backstory is as fascinating as its

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<v Speaker 2>actual plot. So rejected by publishers. The author of Confederacy

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<v Speaker 2>of Dunc's, John Kennedy Toole, tragically committed suicide at the

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<v Speaker 2>age of thirty one, and I'm sorry, that's two mentions

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<v Speaker 2>in one episode. That's the last one, I promise. So

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<v Speaker 2>his mother, Thelma, found this shabby smeared carbon copy of

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<v Speaker 2>she made it her mission to get it published. She

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<v Speaker 2>sent it around and around and around. She was rejected

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<v Speaker 2>over and over until she badgered one publisher so much

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<v Speaker 2>I can reject it. And he did. He was like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh dang, this is really good. So it was published

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<v Speaker 2>eleven years after Toole's death. The title of the book

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<v Speaker 2>that reads, quote, when a true genius appears in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>you may know him by this sign that the Dunces

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<v Speaker 2>are all in a confederacy against him. Confederacy of Dunces

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<v Speaker 2>know it's good, don't give up. Keep doing it. I

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<v Speaker 2>own the prize. Like Ronnie and Museums. When you decided

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<v Speaker 2>to go into museology. Did you have to go back

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I didn't because while I was a student assistant,

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<v Speaker 2>Do you use to clean paintings? And I have a

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<v Speaker 2>question and confession for you. This was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm just going to ask you right now. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>forgive me if you've heard this story. But I was

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<v Speaker 2>write a paper. It was for an art class, art

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<v Speaker 2>history class, and I was taking notes on a Dutch

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<v Speaker 2>portrait from the sixteen hundred. It's beautifully done and I

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<v Speaker 2>wrong hand, It's it was a mistake. I had a

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<v Speaker 2>face of a Dutch painting from the sixteen hundreds. I panicked.

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<v Speaker 2>I gonna do? Like, I'm screwed. This thing is worth

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<v Speaker 2>like a million dollars. My I am broke. My parents

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<v Speaker 2>at all, Like I was borrowing money to buy books,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is the most dishonest thing I've ever done.

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<v Speaker 2>I just left. I left the museum. I couldn't handle it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so afraid. And someone from the same class

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, and she was the old Linda. She

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<v Speaker 2>was the only person I ever told about it in

419
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<v Speaker 2>class until years later. But how screwed was that painting?

420
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<v Speaker 3>Why would you tell, for one, like, who would you tell?

421
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<v Speaker 3>I would run? I would run really fast. I don't

422
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<v Speaker 3>know who I would tell. I mean, geez, I don't know.

423
00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:48.599
<v Speaker 2>I was like, if if I tell someone, then maybe

424
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<v Speaker 2>they'll arrest me. But either way, they're gonna have to

425
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<v Speaker 2>clean it or they're gonna have to throw this paint

426
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<v Speaker 2>in the garbage. But it was just like it was.

427
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<v Speaker 2>It was a moral quandary, unlike any I've ever been in.

428
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<v Speaker 2>What can they do?

429
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<v Speaker 3>They take it to a conservaive Okay.

430
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<v Speaker 2>Side note, I didn't know what a conservator was during

431
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<v Speaker 2>the interview, but I just looked it up and it's

432
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<v Speaker 2>a person who helps restore shit that gets messed up

433
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<v Speaker 2>in museums, so boom, there is a person for that.

434
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<v Speaker 3>And then the conservator gives it back to them, okay,

435
00:23:16.440 --> 00:23:18.359
<v Speaker 3>And it looks like it's never been touched by a

436
00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:25.240
<v Speaker 3>ballpoint pin before. No one will ever know. I mean,

437
00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:28.160
<v Speaker 3>you know you did ruin it. It will be ruined forever.

438
00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:30.839
<v Speaker 3>At the at the heart of the matter, the painting

439
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<v Speaker 3>is ruined. It's never going to be the same. The

440
00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:38.559
<v Speaker 3>original artwork is ruined, but to the public it looks

441
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<v Speaker 3>the same.

442
00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Is it really ruined?

443
00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:41.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's not the same.

444
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<v Speaker 2>They to paint over it or do they clean the

445
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<v Speaker 2>ink off?

446
00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:47.400
<v Speaker 3>I am not a conservator, but I would hope that

447
00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:50.960
<v Speaker 3>they can remove the ink somehow, you know, like distilled water.

448
00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:55.039
<v Speaker 3>Water and distilled water and a Q tip does amazing

449
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<v Speaker 3>things with patients.

450
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<v Speaker 1>God.

451
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you know there was a video that was going

452
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<v Speaker 2>around the internet recently about a painting that was being

453
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<v Speaker 2>cleaned and they were taking off years of varnish and

454
00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:08.000
<v Speaker 2>it had yellowed and it had a really sepia color

455
00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:10.680
<v Speaker 2>and underneath the painting was very like vibrant and had

456
00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:14.319
<v Speaker 2>a lot more you know, had cooler tones. Is that real?

457
00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:16.200
<v Speaker 2>When they take when they really.

458
00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:18.880
<v Speaker 3>It's amazing in dresses, like I've seen videos of dresses

459
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<v Speaker 3>where they just submerge these dresses that kind of have

460
00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:23.880
<v Speaker 3>a yellow tinge to them, and then they bring them

461
00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:27.119
<v Speaker 3>out they're beautifully white. So and what we think of

462
00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:30.400
<v Speaker 3>like how things looked back in two hundred years ago,

463
00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:33.359
<v Speaker 3>because we do have a varnish over everything. Yeah, but no,

464
00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:34.559
<v Speaker 3>everything was bright.

465
00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:38.000
<v Speaker 2>I know we have such a CPA memory very much though.

466
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<v Speaker 2>Do you have a favorite artifact or one that you

467
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<v Speaker 2>just every time you see it or think about it?

468
00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:45.640
<v Speaker 2>You just go, oh, that's so cool.

469
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<v Speaker 3>There's quite a few. I mean, like I said about

470
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<v Speaker 3>Jack London that does have a special place in my heart,

471
00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:57.039
<v Speaker 3>and his wife Charman is starting to have takeover my

472
00:24:57.160 --> 00:24:59.400
<v Speaker 3>love for his stuff. I'm starting to love her stuff

473
00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:02.440
<v Speaker 3>more and more the more I know about her. So

474
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<v Speaker 3>anything that she had. There's a holster that she that

475
00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:09.640
<v Speaker 3>she had and she wore during their trips to the

476
00:25:09.640 --> 00:25:13.680
<v Speaker 3>Pacific Islands, which was amazing. There was there's a photograph

477
00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:16.559
<v Speaker 3>of her in the hulster, which I think it was

478
00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:21.119
<v Speaker 3>Cosmopolitan magazine, I cannot remember. Yeah, back back in the

479
00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:25.119
<v Speaker 3>old days, like in the early nineteen hundreds wouldn't publish

480
00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:27.359
<v Speaker 3>the photograph because it showed a woman wearing a holster,

481
00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:29.400
<v Speaker 3>so it was very like risque.

482
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<v Speaker 2>But they probably had a whole article on like fourteen

483
00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:36.599
<v Speaker 2>ways to tickle his bottom someone and he loves you exactly.

484
00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:40.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally. And she was very progressive like an equestrian,

485
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:44.640
<v Speaker 3>she was a very adamant to not ride side saddle,

486
00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:47.359
<v Speaker 3>and she even like altered her dresses and like she

487
00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:49.799
<v Speaker 3>was the first person start altering her dresses so she

488
00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:53.240
<v Speaker 3>can ride normal, like not ride side saddle. What a

489
00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:58.359
<v Speaker 3>band she's really awesome. Yeah, and when after Jack London

490
00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:01.359
<v Speaker 3>passed away and she had like all of these like

491
00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:05.599
<v Speaker 3>fun affairs with like Harry Houdini and hello.

492
00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Exactly time machine party with her.

493
00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:11.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally correct. Charman was her charmian.

494
00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Charmian. Yeah, she was Jack's second wife and was five

495
00:26:16.759 --> 00:26:22.640
<v Speaker 2>years his senior. Oh scandaled, gasp, smelling salts, fainting couch.

496
00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:25.640
<v Speaker 2>She was also a new woman, which was the old

497
00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:30.039
<v Speaker 2>timey late eighteen hundreds term for feminist. I'm going to

498
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:32.920
<v Speaker 2>rename myself charmian. She steel her life, I.

499
00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:35.680
<v Speaker 3>Do, I do. Yeah, so anything of hers, you can

500
00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:37.920
<v Speaker 3>still go to her powder room and there's like a

501
00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.240
<v Speaker 3>secret entry and a secret spiral staircase that is like

502
00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:43.839
<v Speaker 3>it goes into her powder room. It's really neat.

503
00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:46.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, can the public access that they cannot?

504
00:26:46.759 --> 00:26:47.759
<v Speaker 3>And they don't know where it's at?

505
00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:51.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Okay, So this brings me to a

506
00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:53.680
<v Speaker 2>question that I feel like I didn't know until I

507
00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:58.200
<v Speaker 2>started working with the Natural History Museum. But what you

508
00:26:58.279 --> 00:27:01.839
<v Speaker 2>see on display in these like acrylic cases and with

509
00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:05.119
<v Speaker 2>these placards that say what it is is a fraction

510
00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:07.640
<v Speaker 2>of what a museum actually has in collections. We just

511
00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:10.240
<v Speaker 2>toured a warehouse full of stuff that I like was

512
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:13.319
<v Speaker 2>boggled by, Like everything for bascinet or bas NEETs? Is

513
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:13.880
<v Speaker 2>that a bassinet?

514
00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:17.680
<v Speaker 3>Is that? I'm sure there are bast nets there, Yeah.

515
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:21.680
<v Speaker 2>To lanterns, to wagons and stuff like why how do

516
00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:25.279
<v Speaker 2>you choose what goes on display versus what stays in

517
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:27.480
<v Speaker 2>these collections that are off limits?

518
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:30.880
<v Speaker 3>It's a very interesting selection. Well where we toured today,

519
00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:34.480
<v Speaker 3>like we walked past probably one aisle that we walked

520
00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:38.000
<v Speaker 3>through hadn't know two hundred more or more lanterns. So

521
00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:41.200
<v Speaker 3>you know, unless you're a lantern museum, you really can't

522
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:44.279
<v Speaker 3>display two hundred or more lanterns. But we do keep

523
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:46.839
<v Speaker 3>them because people donate them and we don't want to

524
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:50.359
<v Speaker 3>turn down donations. Researchers are more than welcome to come.

525
00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:52.680
<v Speaker 3>And I think it's like this pretty much with most

526
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:55.359
<v Speaker 3>museums that if you're a researcher, or if you're just

527
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:57.720
<v Speaker 3>someone that's researching your family history, you don't have to

528
00:27:57.720 --> 00:27:59.519
<v Speaker 3>be like a professional researcher. You can just be a

529
00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:03.400
<v Speaker 3>newbait that's interested in something, just as long as you

530
00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:06.279
<v Speaker 3>search it out. I would have more than happy to

531
00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:09.440
<v Speaker 3>open my doors and show you. But then also there's

532
00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:13.799
<v Speaker 3>also rotating exhibits too, and I think those I want

533
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:16.720
<v Speaker 3>to do more of those in my museums where because

534
00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:19.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't just have one museum. It's a very unique

535
00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:22.960
<v Speaker 3>experience that I'm working in where I manage the collections

536
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:26.160
<v Speaker 3>of over thirty thousand items in twenty two different parks.

537
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:29.240
<v Speaker 3>What so we can't get to them all unfortunately, Like

538
00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:31.519
<v Speaker 3>it's very hard to get to most of them, but

539
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:35.079
<v Speaker 3>most of them are collected in like a lump of

540
00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:36.920
<v Speaker 3>five different locations.

541
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's so many items. Wait, twenty two different parks,

542
00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:43.880
<v Speaker 2>thirty thousand items. Yeah, do you how do you keep

543
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:45.119
<v Speaker 2>a record or spreadsheet?

544
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:49.839
<v Speaker 3>Well, there's multiple spreadshee. We use what's called the TMS,

545
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:53.440
<v Speaker 3>the Museum System Database, and many museums use it. The

546
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:57.039
<v Speaker 3>Smithsonian uses it. We are opening it up so that

547
00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:01.000
<v Speaker 3>the public can go on if they want to research lanterns,

548
00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:05.960
<v Speaker 3>or if they want to research anything really fimbles or

549
00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:11.279
<v Speaker 3>wigs or dairy containers. We have them so you can

550
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:12.880
<v Speaker 3>just find them and then you can come and look

551
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:15.359
<v Speaker 3>up all your dairy containers and you'd be you know.

552
00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:19.160
<v Speaker 2>What is your house like? Are you very organized? Are

553
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:22.440
<v Speaker 2>you do you like nick knackery or do you are

554
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:25.480
<v Speaker 2>you very clutter free? Like how is being a musiologist

555
00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:26.759
<v Speaker 2>changed the way you live?

556
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:31.279
<v Speaker 3>That is a good question. My house is orderly until

557
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:34.000
<v Speaker 3>you get into the very back room, like it's you know,

558
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:35.920
<v Speaker 3>some people have like a junk drawer.

559
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:36.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

560
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:38.440
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't say in the back room is a junk room,

561
00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:40.039
<v Speaker 3>but it's just a room at the end of the

562
00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:42.119
<v Speaker 3>day where you like open the door up and throw

563
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:44.759
<v Speaker 3>something and then close it really quick. But other than that,

564
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:49.160
<v Speaker 3>I do like older paintings or even if it's like

565
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:51.960
<v Speaker 3>a painting that a husband made of his wife in

566
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:54.400
<v Speaker 3>the nineteen fifties that I found in a thrift store,

567
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:57.039
<v Speaker 3>like I appreciate that and I'll maybe purchase that and

568
00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:57.960
<v Speaker 3>put it up in my house.

569
00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:02.200
<v Speaker 2>What was it like getting the job of being a

570
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:04.559
<v Speaker 2>curator of all this? Like what was the interview process like?

571
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:07.119
<v Speaker 2>And how did you know you were qualified for it?

572
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:08.920
<v Speaker 2>And what happened when they said you have the job?

573
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:11.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh? So okay. This is a very unique situation to

574
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:15.000
<v Speaker 3>the California State Parks, which I encourage a lot of

575
00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:18.119
<v Speaker 3>people who are interested in the field to look into

576
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:20.839
<v Speaker 3>because a lot of people miss it and it's a

577
00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:25.799
<v Speaker 3>really great opportunity. So what I did was gain all

578
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:28.839
<v Speaker 3>this experience. I had four years of experience as a

579
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:32.839
<v Speaker 3>student assistant, and then I also apprenticed for a while,

580
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:34.640
<v Speaker 3>and so an exam opened up.

581
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:37.359
<v Speaker 2>So to get a job with the State park System,

582
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:41.319
<v Speaker 2>you don't just interview and charm your way into a

583
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:44.440
<v Speaker 2>ranger sat. You have to take an exam first before

584
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:46.680
<v Speaker 2>they will even sit down with you, no matter how

585
00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:48.119
<v Speaker 2>much they like your hot dog cart.

586
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:51.279
<v Speaker 3>And you have to qualify within the top three rankings

587
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:56.440
<v Speaker 3>to be reachable to be to have an interview for

588
00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:59.680
<v Speaker 3>the job. So thank god. Yeah, so it was very

589
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:04.480
<v Speaker 3>intense and I took the exam. I ranked one, which

590
00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:07.359
<v Speaker 3>is amazing. I was very happy about that. And then

591
00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:10.839
<v Speaker 3>I and then once you take the exam, you had

592
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:13.400
<v Speaker 3>to wait for a job to open up. Oh my god,

593
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:15.119
<v Speaker 3>So a job did open up.

594
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Did you kill someone?

595
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:19.039
<v Speaker 3>No? But I I you know, the job that opened

596
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:20.440
<v Speaker 3>up was an hour and a half drive away from

597
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:20.799
<v Speaker 3>my house.

598
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Nuts, and its laborious as as doing a hit on someone.

599
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:28.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally, but you know, I don't mind. It's very

600
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:31.640
<v Speaker 3>peaceful drive. But so I live in Sacramento and the

601
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:35.839
<v Speaker 3>job that opened up was in Sonoma, and it was

602
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:38.359
<v Speaker 3>also my dream job because it involved Jack London, stated

603
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:41.759
<v Speaker 3>his Dorg Park. So I applied for the job and

604
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:43.559
<v Speaker 3>then I got it, And that's how it works.

605
00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:46.000
<v Speaker 2>How did they tell you that you got it? Did

606
00:31:46.039 --> 00:31:48.200
<v Speaker 2>they send over like a carrier pigeon or DoD they

607
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.759
<v Speaker 2>do something with antiquity to like send you a telegram?

608
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:55.200
<v Speaker 3>And I just heard my my boss get the call,

609
00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:59.319
<v Speaker 3>you know, they called the reference check call. God, it

610
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:01.319
<v Speaker 3>was amazing. Was another o my desk and I just

611
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:03.519
<v Speaker 3>heard her like, oh so good.

612
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Was she sad to lose you though?

613
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:07.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? She I think she hung up the phone and said,

614
00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:10.160
<v Speaker 3>damn it, Ronnie, Oh my god.

615
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:11.079
<v Speaker 2>Did you celebrate?

616
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:11.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

617
00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:12.000
<v Speaker 3>It was amazing.

618
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what'd you do?

619
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:15.599
<v Speaker 3>Did I actually celebate? I'm sure I just probably went

620
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:18.119
<v Speaker 3>for like unlimited sushi. Yeah, that's my celebration.

621
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:22.960
<v Speaker 2>That's so dope. So what is your day like? Like

622
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:25.079
<v Speaker 2>day to day? Do you come in like see like

623
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:28.000
<v Speaker 2>if anything's been missing or broken or needs it tending

624
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:30.400
<v Speaker 2>to or like, you know, you're up in Sonoma. I

625
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:34.039
<v Speaker 2>know that we had this scheduled for last month around Thanksgiving,

626
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:37.640
<v Speaker 2>but Sonoma was going through some of the worst wildfires in.

627
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:40.960
<v Speaker 3>Statutory Yeah, so my day to day schedule for since then,

628
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:45.480
<v Speaker 3>since October has been kind of not day to day schedule.

629
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:48.359
<v Speaker 3>Like I we did evacuate. We were able to we

630
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<v Speaker 3>have an emergency evacuation plan. The fires were coming, it

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<v Speaker 3>was very intense, and we were able to evacuate all

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<v Speaker 3>of the threatened areas, which included six moving trucks of

633
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<v Speaker 3>objects Oh my gosh, and we brought them to the

634
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<v Speaker 3>facility we're at today, which you know, as you can see,

635
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.680
<v Speaker 3>this place is huge. So it was able to house

636
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<v Speaker 3>all of those artifacts and all of those objects, so

637
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<v Speaker 3>we were able to get out.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you pick though, I mean you can't move,

639
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<v Speaker 2>you can't move several different homes worth of artifacts, Like,

640
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<v Speaker 2>how do you pick what to take? It's like it's

641
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<v Speaker 2>like that horrible thing, like if you had to evacuate

642
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<v Speaker 2>your house in a fire, what would you take? And

643
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<v Speaker 2>you're like, I'm a stuff by stuffed animal, but that

644
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<v Speaker 2>but with like priceless artifacts in many locations.

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<v Speaker 3>So the curator that I work with, who's been there

646
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<v Speaker 3>for thirty years, she devised a disaster preparedness plan and

647
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<v Speaker 3>which included a laminated sheet of objects to take first

648
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<v Speaker 3>in the emergency, any kind of emergency. So we just

649
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<v Speaker 3>grabbed those laminated sheets and then we started evacuating those immediately.

650
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<v Speaker 3>We had more volunteers than we knew what to do with,

651
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<v Speaker 3>so before we knew it, we got everything that was

652
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<v Speaker 3>on the list out and so we just then what

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<v Speaker 3>So then we just started evacuating everything, and we did

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<v Speaker 3>get out everything which was down to.

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<v Speaker 2>What like down to the rugs.

656
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:13.880
<v Speaker 3>And stuff or down to the rugs down to boxes

657
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<v Speaker 3>of books. So we did a great job. It was

658
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<v Speaker 3>really cool and things thankful to I'm very thankful to

659
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<v Speaker 3>her because she had it all planned out, so it

660
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<v Speaker 3>was amazing.

661
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<v Speaker 2>And then what's the process of moving that stuff back in?

662
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<v Speaker 2>And none of the structures burned.

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<v Speaker 3>Down, None of the structures burned down. We actually were

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<v Speaker 3>thermal gelling, which is like spring this big hose full

665
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<v Speaker 3>of jello over all all of the houses, the historic

666
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<v Speaker 3>houses and structures to if the fire came then it

667
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<v Speaker 3>would like not burn them. So we did that. The

668
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<v Speaker 3>fire didn't come and we had to remove all that,

669
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<v Speaker 3>but we were able to get everything here and then

670
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:52.239
<v Speaker 3>the process of moving it back has been that's what's

671
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<v Speaker 3>taken so long. You know, it took like one day

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<v Speaker 3>to get everything out, two days to get everything out,

673
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<v Speaker 3>but it takes months to actually organize it and put

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<v Speaker 3>it all back in.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there anything else that you're discovering and moving out? Like, oh,

676
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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize we had this comb that was fallen

677
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<v Speaker 2>under a floorboard.

678
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<v Speaker 3>I know, I don't think, so.

679
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<v Speaker 2>No cool discoveries. You know, when you move you're like,

680
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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I forgot I had this bracelet.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, one thing that has been pretty cool is we're

682
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<v Speaker 3>going we've had time to go through the diaries of

683
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<v Speaker 3>day to day occurrences at the museums from the eighties.

684
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know when do you have time to go

685
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<v Speaker 3>through these? So we're just slipping through a book. And

686
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<v Speaker 3>at one time in the eighties, California State Parks had

687
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<v Speaker 3>a wine tasting bar set up in a museum, which

688
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<v Speaker 3>is not allowed now. So now I'm thinking we need

689
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<v Speaker 3>to bring back wine tasting bars, just.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't do it in like a historically preserved area.

691
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, next time.

692
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<v Speaker 2>And hair gel and.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's amazing. Like when I worked at the Photographic

694
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<v Speaker 3>Archives as a student assistant, going through photographs of like

695
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:59.519
<v Speaker 3>the nineteen fifties, of curators smoking and drinking or well

696
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<v Speaker 3>mostly smoking over like historic artifacts. It's amazing.

697
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wonder about that sometimes, like how much damage

698
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<v Speaker 2>was done to artifacts just from people smoking indoors totally?

699
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:15.679
<v Speaker 2>It's yeah, like all the yellowing and stuff. You're like,

700
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<v Speaker 2>how much of that is just like Winston Salem's.

701
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<v Speaker 3>Well even like archaeologist. I was talking to an archaeologist

702
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<v Speaker 3>the other day and he's been doing it for forty years,

703
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<v Speaker 3>and he said that, you know, back in the early days,

704
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<v Speaker 3>they would take the down of different animals and just

705
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<v Speaker 3>throw it at each other for fun. But now you

706
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:36.719
<v Speaker 3>can find out so much information and you know things

707
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<v Speaker 3>that you didn't know back then from.

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<v Speaker 2>There's this one archaeologist on Twitter I follow that I

709
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<v Speaker 2>want to get She's a bioarchaeologist and she digs through

710
00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:48.119
<v Speaker 2>old toilets and like some grapes to figure out things

711
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<v Speaker 2>about people. And I'm like, oh my god, I get

712
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:53.800
<v Speaker 2>her own. I'm looking at you. Bioarchaeologist slash osteologist Steph

713
00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:58.679
<v Speaker 2>ham Halfer aka bones Underscore Canada on Twitter. Yeah, what's

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<v Speaker 2>the difference between a musiologist and an archaeologist.

715
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<v Speaker 3>Well, a musiologist is just focuses on the museum itself.

716
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<v Speaker 3>Archaeologists are more out in the field working. They have

717
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<v Speaker 3>more of a science background, and some musicologists have a

718
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<v Speaker 3>focus on the care and collection of objects, integrated pest

719
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<v Speaker 3>management systems to monitor their objects make sure they're doing Okay,

720
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<v Speaker 3>that's one of the worst things about my job is

721
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<v Speaker 3>that you have to kill so many insects, Like I'm

722
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<v Speaker 3>setting up pheromone traps for moths and you know, but

723
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<v Speaker 3>it has to be done. I think in one of

724
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<v Speaker 3>your previous episodes, like someone said, like bugs are the worst.

725
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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and the ornithologist who had been held up at

726
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<v Speaker 2>gunpoint on the job, so the worst thing about his

727
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<v Speaker 2>job was carpet beetles.

728
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, carpet beetles are terrible. Cigarette beetles, carpet beetles. The

729
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<v Speaker 3>Beatles have fun names too within the museum community. What

730
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:54.199
<v Speaker 3>do they call them, Well, just like cigarette beetles, cigarette beetles.

731
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<v Speaker 2>So you have to set up pheromone traps where they're

732
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<v Speaker 2>like ooh, smells like ladies and then they hop in

733
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<v Speaker 2>there and they're.

734
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<v Speaker 3>Like dah, yeah, yeah exactly. It's kind of sad too,

735
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<v Speaker 3>but you know, you take these special pheromone capsules and

736
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<v Speaker 3>you put them in the sticky traps.

737
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<v Speaker 2>And you can you smell anything? No, okay, you don't

738
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<v Speaker 2>have long enough antenna.

739
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<v Speaker 3>I guess not.

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<v Speaker 2>They can smell like a molecule of a pheromone from

741
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<v Speaker 2>miles away. Moths are amaze there. They can detect it

742
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<v Speaker 2>with their antenna. Let's talk about moth horniness. So a

743
00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:24.559
<v Speaker 2>female moth releases one billionth of a gram of pheromones

744
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<v Speaker 2>to signal like a tiny winged Tiffany Hattish and researchers

745
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<v Speaker 2>have reported that a male Indian Luna moth can locate

746
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<v Speaker 2>a female six point five miles eleven kilometers away. They

747
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<v Speaker 2>are like, let's get this on. So pheromone traps are

748
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<v Speaker 2>like getting messaged by a bot and then the bot

749
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<v Speaker 2>kills you. Do you want to do some rapid fire?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, now you've listened to the podcast before. We got

752
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:55.960
<v Speaker 2>so many questions on Patreon, and I think you're a patron.

753
00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:57.559
<v Speaker 2>I think did you do that so that you could

754
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<v Speaker 2>cheat and look at the questions first.

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<v Speaker 3>Fifty fifty This is for you and to also know

756
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<v Speaker 3>what I'm getting into.

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<v Speaker 2>That's amazing. Okay, But before we take questions from you,

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<v Speaker 2>our beloved listeners, we're going to take a quick break

759
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<v Speaker 2>for sponsors of the show. Sponsors. Why sponsors, You know

760
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:16.599
<v Speaker 2>what they do? They help us give money to different

761
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:19.079
<v Speaker 2>charities every week, and for every episode we donate to

762
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<v Speaker 2>a cause of the ologists choosing. And this week we're

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<v Speaker 2>standing by to see if we can contribute to a

764
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<v Speaker 2>memorial fund for our friend Ronnie Klein. So thanks for

765
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<v Speaker 2>listening and thank sponsors. Okay, your questions these are patrons

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00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:34.719
<v Speaker 2>have asked. Colin mccarvill wants to know how do you

767
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.039
<v Speaker 2>feel museums have evolved and how do you think they're

768
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<v Speaker 2>going to change in the future.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, museums in America, for one, have we're set up

770
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<v Speaker 3>by rich white men to promote rich white men, so

771
00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:53.159
<v Speaker 3>you know, go fast forwarding to modern day. They're evolving

772
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<v Speaker 3>because I think museums need to interpret not what the

773
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<v Speaker 3>rich whiteman's perspective is, but what the person of that time,

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<v Speaker 3>the average person or the person like everyone's perspective, including

775
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<v Speaker 3>the rich white men's perspective, but also including the poor

776
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<v Speaker 3>person that maybe isn't white's perspective. So I think that's

777
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<v Speaker 3>where museums right now are changing. And even in California,

778
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<v Speaker 3>the school curriculum is changing with it as well, which

779
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<v Speaker 3>is going to be pretty amazing in the next five years,

780
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<v Speaker 3>you know, to see the change. So when you walk

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<v Speaker 3>into maybe a museum that like as a mission, it

782
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<v Speaker 3>talks more about the Native American life, not as someone

783
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<v Speaker 3>that was saved by the mission, but someone that was

784
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<v Speaker 3>you know, held there against their will. So it's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be pretty exciting, you know, exciting to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to expand that education.

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<v Speaker 2>So the narrative is getting more objective than it has

788
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<v Speaker 2>been in the past. So his story is not.

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<v Speaker 3>I was thinking about that last night, like I couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>sleep last night, and the word his story, it just

791
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<v Speaker 3>kept coming back to me, and I'm like, God, damn,

792
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<v Speaker 3>I wish week would change the name of history. Just

793
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<v Speaker 3>how do we change it? And I was just going

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<v Speaker 3>through my head and I was like, our story, their story,

795
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<v Speaker 3>like what can you change it to?

796
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<v Speaker 2>And mytory?

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<v Speaker 3>But you know what, and that sounds kind of weird

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<v Speaker 3>or now, but probably his story. His story sounds weird

799
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:18.679
<v Speaker 3>too if you ever heard it. So if you just

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<v Speaker 3>keep calling it our story, then everyone will call it

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<v Speaker 3>our story.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, language is elastic, so yeah, it evolves. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's interesting. That's that's good to know that it's evolving

804
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<v Speaker 2>like that. I'd never thought about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't it weird to think about women's history, women's his

806
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<v Speaker 3>story like that seems so weird to me.

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<v Speaker 2>That just gave me anger and goosebumps. Oh, it's so crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>How barely out of the dark age is, like you

809
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<v Speaker 2>still are in so many darks, like this is still

810
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<v Speaker 2>a dark age. This is a dark We're in a

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<v Speaker 2>dark age.

812
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<v Speaker 3>We're in a dark age.

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<v Speaker 2>Laura Eisen wants to know have you ever used cooler,

814
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<v Speaker 2>weird stuff from the museum to impress a date?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, unfortunately I haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>God, Ronnie, I know you could steal so much cool stuff.

817
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<v Speaker 2>What's the most expensive artifact you've ever dealt with or handled?

818
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<v Speaker 2>That's such a cheesy question, but I'm sorry I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to ask.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's interesting because some of the artifacts are priceless, yees,

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<v Speaker 3>so we don't know how much you know, So I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just just from the sentimental point of view, Like just

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<v Speaker 3>the other day, I was holding Jack London's camera, which

824
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<v Speaker 3>he's an amazing photographer, and took photos of the what

825
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<v Speaker 3>was it, the nineteen oh eight seven earthquakes, oh six

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<v Speaker 3>six San Francisco and San Francisco, and his photographs are amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>So these photos appear in a book, The Paths Men Take,

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<v Speaker 2>published in twenty sixteen and on the state Park's website,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'm going to add to all the episode links

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<v Speaker 2>at aliward dot com, slash ologies and side note. Ronnie

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<v Speaker 2>also says that some artifacts that aren't on display can

832
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<v Speaker 2>get loaned to museums all over the world, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like a shirt that you lend to your roommate before

834
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<v Speaker 2>a trip, hoping she doesn't get invested on it.

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<v Speaker 3>We do, you know, share them so other muss can

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<v Speaker 3>display them and share the story of Jack.

837
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<v Speaker 2>Linton as well, Like, Hey, we're doing a canoe exhibit.

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<v Speaker 2>You got anything cool? And you're like do we?

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<v Speaker 3>Totally? Yeah?

840
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<v Speaker 2>Liked? Can you send it over? Get it?

841
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:12.559
<v Speaker 3>Can you send it over?

842
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:17.880
<v Speaker 2>I sorry, I don't know what that was about. Okay.

843
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:20.119
<v Speaker 2>Mary Anne Moss wants to know, how do you recommend

844
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:23.000
<v Speaker 2>tackling visiting museum when you're short on time? She always

845
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:25.639
<v Speaker 2>feels like she hadn't. She says, I always feel like

846
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:28.039
<v Speaker 2>I haven't done a place justice unless I've seen everything,

847
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:30.079
<v Speaker 2>but a lot of time that's not possible, and also

848
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:32.320
<v Speaker 2>follow up question, what do you do about museum fatigue?

849
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.239
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes you're like, I'm so tired, I've seen so much stuff.

850
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:38.840
<v Speaker 3>I think you have you know the technology, let it

851
00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:41.719
<v Speaker 3>work for you. So before you go. You know, if

852
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:43.719
<v Speaker 3>you're the passenger of a car and you're driving there

853
00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:45.519
<v Speaker 3>with like your boyfriend or girlfriend, you have an hour

854
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:48.159
<v Speaker 3>to kill. Just look it up on Instagram, on Yelp

855
00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:51.760
<v Speaker 3>and something and see what is there, and then you know,

856
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:53.840
<v Speaker 3>if you want to breeze through a lot of it, fine,

857
00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:56.159
<v Speaker 3>but I think you should find one thing that you

858
00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:58.880
<v Speaker 3>are interested in and really focus on it. Okay, So

859
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:02.079
<v Speaker 3>have you heard of this thing called mus Sage. So

860
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:05.880
<v Speaker 3>there's this thing called museum Sage that it's like a

861
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.519
<v Speaker 3>program that someone started where and they're doing it at

862
00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:12.320
<v Speaker 3>certain museums to where they'll take you and in the

863
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.480
<v Speaker 3>lobby and they'll blindfold you what and you start you

864
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:18.719
<v Speaker 3>pick like locations like turn left here, turn right here,

865
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:22.079
<v Speaker 3>to whatever, and they guide you up to whatever you choose,

866
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:25.920
<v Speaker 3>whatever painting or sculpture or object. And before you take

867
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:29.440
<v Speaker 3>the blindfolds off, blindfold off, you think of a question

868
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:33.840
<v Speaker 3>you should like ask yourself deeply, something that struggling with

869
00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:37.039
<v Speaker 3>it could be like, you know, will will I ever

870
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:38.800
<v Speaker 3>get this job? Or what should I do with my life?

871
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:40.639
<v Speaker 3>Or what kind of car should I buy? Whatever you

872
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:42.679
<v Speaker 3>want to do, But you just think of it yourself

873
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:46.159
<v Speaker 3>and they take off the blindfold and you stare at

874
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:49.400
<v Speaker 3>whatever they show you and you find the answer. Oh

875
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:51.360
<v Speaker 3>my God, and that painting or.

876
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Whatever, Oh my god, that's amazing.

877
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:56.480
<v Speaker 3>So I think always focus on one You should always

878
00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:58.280
<v Speaker 3>just choose one thing to really focus in on, because

879
00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:00.760
<v Speaker 3>I think you can really find a lot about yourself

880
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:02.760
<v Speaker 3>or about anything you want in that one thing.

881
00:45:03.159 --> 00:45:06.559
<v Speaker 2>I looked on their website, which is conveniently Museum Sage

882
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:10.320
<v Speaker 2>dot com, and they have videos, you guys, videos like

883
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:13.440
<v Speaker 2>this one where a woman named Kim asks a twelfth

884
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:16.719
<v Speaker 2>century of oz what to do with her career. So

885
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:25.559
<v Speaker 2>whenever you're ready, you can open your eyes. Christmas, I know, Okay,

886
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:28.920
<v Speaker 2>this is not what I expect. What will Kim do?

887
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:30.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm so invested.

888
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:34.559
<v Speaker 3>We have a tribe Liaison who coordinates with the Governor's

889
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:38.639
<v Speaker 3>liaison with Native Americans, and so it's very We're probably

890
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:40.480
<v Speaker 3>a little bit different in that regard since we are

891
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:41.400
<v Speaker 3>a government agency.

892
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:46.639
<v Speaker 2>Zoe treplick. Great question. Have you ever encountered any haunted

893
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:50.199
<v Speaker 2>artifacts or any objects that just gave you the willies?

894
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:53.760
<v Speaker 3>So there's a house museum that I take care of,

895
00:45:54.719 --> 00:46:00.400
<v Speaker 3>and it's the Valeo Home in Sonma, and Valo's life

896
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:05.119
<v Speaker 3>is known to haunt the house what and hate English speakers?

897
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:08.079
<v Speaker 3>So anytime you speak English in there, she gets very mad.

898
00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:10.360
<v Speaker 2>No way, Yeah, have you been there?

899
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:11.320
<v Speaker 3>I have been there.

900
00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:12.079
<v Speaker 2>What does it feel like?

901
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:14.679
<v Speaker 3>I wait for her to yell at me and she

902
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:16.880
<v Speaker 3>hasn't yet. I mean, I think you know, when you

903
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:19.079
<v Speaker 3>want a ghostale year, it never happens.

904
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:20.280
<v Speaker 2>There's such jerks.

905
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:23.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I always wanted, though there is. I also take

906
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:27.880
<v Speaker 3>care of a building called the Tuscano Hotel. And one

907
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.679
<v Speaker 3>time I was trying to film a video for Instagram

908
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:33.480
<v Speaker 3>and the music wasn't working and I was like trying

909
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:36.079
<v Speaker 3>to do like a Billie Joel song to like some

910
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:39.079
<v Speaker 3>sort of weird thing or something, and then the music

911
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:41.079
<v Speaker 3>didn't work. But when I replayed it, there were men

912
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:43.679
<v Speaker 3>voices talking in the background and there are definitely no

913
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:44.199
<v Speaker 3>men there.

914
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:47.039
<v Speaker 2>What do you believe in ghosts?

915
00:46:48.519 --> 00:46:51.000
<v Speaker 3>Sure? Sure, yeah, I'm open to it. I would love

916
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:52.000
<v Speaker 3>to see a ghost.

917
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:54.079
<v Speaker 2>You wouldn't be freaked out.

918
00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:58.320
<v Speaker 3>I know, I would love for Jacquelin to come hang

919
00:46:58.360 --> 00:46:58.679
<v Speaker 3>out with me.

920
00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's just like you're homie.

921
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:01.559
<v Speaker 3>M h totally.

922
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:05.159
<v Speaker 2>Hannah wants to know what is your favorite exhibit you've

923
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:05.519
<v Speaker 2>worked on.

924
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:09.519
<v Speaker 3>I was getting preparing an object to be on display

925
00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:13.360
<v Speaker 3>and it was a dress made of human hair and

926
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:16.679
<v Speaker 3>so so I was picking out dead bugs from the

927
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:19.920
<v Speaker 3>early nineteen hundreds from this dress with like tweezers and

928
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.880
<v Speaker 3>microstan like. So I had a lot of fun working

929
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:25.400
<v Speaker 3>on that. All it is is work.

930
00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:28.519
<v Speaker 2>Jennifer Overbe wants to know. I've heard museums have basements

931
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:32.000
<v Speaker 2>chock full of cool stuff hidden away. She so, in

932
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:34.000
<v Speaker 2>terms of the collections, why are you so sneaky with

933
00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:36.000
<v Speaker 2>your stuff? And how do I get down there.

934
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:37.119
<v Speaker 3>Come see my stuff?

935
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:37.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay?

936
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:40.840
<v Speaker 3>Always yes, if you're interested in anything that is, it's

937
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:45.280
<v Speaker 3>not hidden away as much as it's taken like improper conditions.

938
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:49.280
<v Speaker 3>The climate is proper for them to be stored. And like,

939
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:51.920
<v Speaker 3>like I said, if we have two hundred lanterns, you

940
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:53.079
<v Speaker 3>know you want to be able to take care of

941
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:55.239
<v Speaker 3>the lanterns and have them in a proper environment that

942
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:58.079
<v Speaker 3>can they can be there forever. So if someone does

943
00:47:58.119 --> 00:47:59.679
<v Speaker 3>want to research them, they'll be there for.

944
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:01.679
<v Speaker 2>Them to So just ask for more tours.

945
00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:05.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you can get a tour if you asked. If

946
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:06.519
<v Speaker 3>you ask, you can see stuff.

947
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:09.039
<v Speaker 2>Blake Hawkins wants to know, on average, how many pieces

948
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:12.840
<v Speaker 2>in a museum's collection are authentic versus well crafted replicas.

949
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.199
<v Speaker 3>Now, if it's an actual museum, I would say most

950
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:19.039
<v Speaker 3>of it is authentic. But house museums are a different

951
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:21.760
<v Speaker 3>story because you do need to set up the house

952
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:24.119
<v Speaker 3>and make it look like it's from that time, and

953
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:27.440
<v Speaker 3>a lot of times you acquire houses maybe one hundred

954
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:30.840
<v Speaker 3>years after the year you want to interpret, so you

955
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:34.800
<v Speaker 3>do piece together objects from that time period, but maybe

956
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.559
<v Speaker 3>not necessarily from that house specifically.

957
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:39.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so there might be a phone on the wall

958
00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:41.719
<v Speaker 2>that is of the same year, but it wasn't that

959
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:43.079
<v Speaker 2>particular phone that was used.

960
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:44.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and if you can go off of like photographs,

961
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:47.119
<v Speaker 3>you try to match things up as much as best

962
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:47.400
<v Speaker 3>you can.

963
00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Claudia Louis wants to know if you ever feel overwhelmed

964
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:51.760
<v Speaker 2>by the amount of history around you.

965
00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:54.679
<v Speaker 3>No. Never, I love the amount of history around me,

966
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:58.360
<v Speaker 3>though I do feel overwhelmed that I should know everything

967
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:01.159
<v Speaker 3>so I guess in a sense, yeah, because there's so

968
00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:04.400
<v Speaker 3>much to know, and especially with my position having thirty

969
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:07.119
<v Speaker 3>thousand objects and twenty two different parks. Each park has

970
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:10.400
<v Speaker 3>its own, like hundred history that spans hundreds of years,

971
00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:13.440
<v Speaker 3>so it is I guess that is overwhelming in a sense.

972
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Do you get texts or calls in the middle

973
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:17.719
<v Speaker 2>of the night, like, ah, something broke or is it like.

974
00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:20.079
<v Speaker 3>From the fire? You know, when we have the fire,

975
00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:22.519
<v Speaker 3>it's like, Okay, let's rally the troops and let's get

976
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:22.920
<v Speaker 3>this going.

977
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:25.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I was so worried. You were like, can we

978
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:27.960
<v Speaker 2>postpone the interview? And I was like, yeah, I think

979
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:30.920
<v Speaker 2>that's fine. Like your entire city's on fire and you

980
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:33.440
<v Speaker 2>are a curator of museums. Yeah, that's a good idea.

981
00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Jason Newman from the Facebook group also know is there

982
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:39.719
<v Speaker 2>a friendly rivalry between different museums of the same type,

983
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:44.320
<v Speaker 2>like or do natural history museums make jokes about modern

984
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:45.679
<v Speaker 2>art museums? No?

985
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:50.760
<v Speaker 3>Actually, I think that there's a good relationship between the museums.

986
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:54.079
<v Speaker 3>For me especially, I think that it works. We work

987
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:54.760
<v Speaker 3>great together.

988
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:57.280
<v Speaker 2>You guys play nice. Yeah, totally, You're not like super

989
00:49:57.360 --> 00:49:59.880
<v Speaker 2>museum bitches. Britt Pitcher wants to know, can I come

990
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:00.760
<v Speaker 2>be your friend?

991
00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:01.440
<v Speaker 3>Of course?

992
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Nick van Aker wants to know. Do you have an

993
00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:05.559
<v Speaker 2>artifact or specimen that you would love to see on

994
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:08.000
<v Speaker 2>display in a museum that never will be because it's

995
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:09.840
<v Speaker 2>too gross or too big or too fragile.

996
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:14.440
<v Speaker 3>Hmm, right now, there are some you know, Native American

997
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:19.440
<v Speaker 3>objects that are used for ceremonial purposes. They probably want

998
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:21.679
<v Speaker 3>every be displayed. Oh wow. And also they are like,

999
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:25.000
<v Speaker 3>there's we have a shrunken head from an island that

1000
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:28.119
<v Speaker 3>probably won't go on display right now. So what are

1001
00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:29.280
<v Speaker 3>some really neat stuff?

1002
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:32.239
<v Speaker 2>Do you have a lot of human artifacts?

1003
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:36.760
<v Speaker 3>Surprisingly, it's very interesting, not necessarily human bones, but hair.

1004
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:38.960
<v Speaker 3>Hair is big. I mean, especially in Victorian era, you

1005
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:39.840
<v Speaker 3>have a lot of human hair.

1006
00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:42.840
<v Speaker 2>They made a lot of Memento Mary's things out of that,

1007
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:45.960
<v Speaker 2>right Yeah. I need to look up how shrunken heads

1008
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:48.199
<v Speaker 2>work because I don't even know. I'm like, do they

1009
00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:49.159
<v Speaker 2>take the skull out?

1010
00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:51.760
<v Speaker 3>I don't. I don't get it. I saw my first

1011
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:54.119
<v Speaker 3>one when I was like ten and a Ripley's Believe

1012
00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:57.119
<v Speaker 3>it or not exhibit, and I don't know.

1013
00:50:57.199 --> 00:50:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Does it haunt does the image of it haunt you.

1014
00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:00.639
<v Speaker 3>It's creepy. Yeah, it's very creepy.

1015
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:04.320
<v Speaker 2>You know. There's a curios store in Seattle that's just

1016
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:06.360
<v Speaker 2>like on the pier that has a couple of mummified

1017
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:08.159
<v Speaker 2>humans and I'm like, how does it work. I'm like,

1018
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:08.880
<v Speaker 2>is that legal?

1019
00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:10.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't understand how that works.

1020
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:13.960
<v Speaker 2>A corpse in like a dead it's very weird. Side

1021
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:17.559
<v Speaker 2>note on that, so yes, to make a shrunken head,

1022
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:21.440
<v Speaker 2>one first removes the skull and then stretches the face

1023
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:25.599
<v Speaker 2>skin over a small wooden ball and boils it. So

1024
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:29.360
<v Speaker 2>in terms of DIY project, I give this one a pass. Now,

1025
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:32.519
<v Speaker 2>these were ceremoniously made in the Amazon rainforests. They were

1026
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:36.639
<v Speaker 2>thought to harness an enemy's power. And then the tourism

1027
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:39.960
<v Speaker 2>trade caused a bump in sales both real and of

1028
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:42.960
<v Speaker 2>fakes in the early nineteen hundreds, and that is where

1029
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:49.360
<v Speaker 2>we get the term headhunting ding horrifying. Also, that shop

1030
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:53.639
<v Speaker 2>on Seattle's waterfront is called ye old Curiosity Shop, very

1031
00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:55.559
<v Speaker 2>on the Nose, and it's been there, owned by the

1032
00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:59.639
<v Speaker 2>same family for four generations since the eighteen nineties. And

1033
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:02.920
<v Speaker 2>the tell me that's just straight up on display in

1034
00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:06.960
<v Speaker 2>a glass case like a fucking croissant is named Sylvester,

1035
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:08.880
<v Speaker 2>and I just went down. I want you to know

1036
00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:11.519
<v Speaker 2>a two hour rabbit hole about him, but I'm just

1037
00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:13.760
<v Speaker 2>going to condense it and say he's thought to be

1038
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:16.360
<v Speaker 2>a wild West outlaw who was shot in the gut

1039
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:20.559
<v Speaker 2>and quickly embalmed in Arsenic by a con man named Soapy.

1040
00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:23.280
<v Speaker 2>But then he fell into the hands of the Seattle

1041
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Curio Emporium in the nineteen fifties. Also, he got shot

1042
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.119
<v Speaker 2>in the face with buckshot at one point in his life,

1043
00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:31.320
<v Speaker 2>never went to a doctor, and his skin just healed

1044
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:34.559
<v Speaker 2>over it. He's not for sale, but evidently it is

1045
00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:38.800
<v Speaker 2>legal to buy and display human remains. However, birth control

1046
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:41.039
<v Speaker 2>pills are not available over the counter, and you can't

1047
00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:45.199
<v Speaker 2>buy wine coolers in some counties. Oh well, okay, back

1048
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:49.320
<v Speaker 2>to rapid fire. These are great questions. Okay. Heather Crowther

1049
00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:52.079
<v Speaker 2>wants to know who writes the blurbs next to the artifacts?

1050
00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:54.119
<v Speaker 2>Was it a curator a historian?

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<v Speaker 3>Who gets that job probably depends on the museum. For

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00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:04.400
<v Speaker 3>California state parks have an interpreter who writes the exhibit panels,

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<v Speaker 3>does the research and everything. And so for me, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>a curator right now, so or museum technician technically, which

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<v Speaker 3>is pretty much a curator. So I don't get to

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<v Speaker 3>do that, but we do have input.

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<v Speaker 2>Our museum people. Chill, this is my own question.

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<v Speaker 3>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>So are they uptight because they're like everything has to

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<v Speaker 2>be perfect?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it depends, okay on age? Okay, no, it

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<v Speaker 3>really doesn't. I mean, I'm not ages, but yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>think the Honestly, I think the older someone is has

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<v Speaker 3>worked in the museum, you know, they've been there for

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<v Speaker 3>like thirty years or something, so it's their baby. And

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<v Speaker 3>then when something's your baby, you do become protective of it.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, you have these new young museum professionals

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<v Speaker 3>that are like, what, let's give the world this, and

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00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:47.199
<v Speaker 3>then you know people that have been there for thirty

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00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:49.440
<v Speaker 3>years are just a little more protective.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Amy ten Bers ten Bears, I'm sure I'm saying

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<v Speaker 2>it wrong. Great question. What are the most annoying things

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00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:01.519
<v Speaker 2>visitors do? She says, people so off dampen her enjoyment

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<v Speaker 2>of museums with their behavior. How do you stay sane

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<v Speaker 2>working with that every day?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>What do visitors do that You're like?

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<v Speaker 3>What? No? Touch? Touch? Touch? I like reach across any

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<v Speaker 3>kind of velvet rope any standien.

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<v Speaker 2>Side note, those velvet ropes that are used in museums

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00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:23.440
<v Speaker 2>and nightclubs to convey just like don't are called stanchions,

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00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:26.000
<v Speaker 2>and they come from the French for beam or support.

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<v Speaker 2>And did you know you can buy them on Amazon

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<v Speaker 2>for like ninety dollars, So for less than a Benjamin,

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00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:34.280
<v Speaker 2>you can erect a velvet rope on your own porch

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00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:37.440
<v Speaker 2>and you can feel like a very elite baller every

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<v Speaker 2>time you come home. Okay, back to museum etiquette.

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<v Speaker 3>People don't care and selfies are fine, but you know

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<v Speaker 3>selfie is over the stanchion or trying to touch things

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00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:50.440
<v Speaker 3>that you shouldn't. It boggles my mind. Like you can

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00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:52.800
<v Speaker 3>go on YouTube and watch all these crazy mishaps. If

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00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:55.639
<v Speaker 3>people just wanting to touch things, it's so weird. I

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00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:56.199
<v Speaker 3>don't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Shannon Felt says, real talk, do you have that ancient

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00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:03.480
<v Speaker 2>tablet that makes the museum come to life at at night? No,

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00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:07.800
<v Speaker 2>to be fair, he's probably lying. He probably does have

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<v Speaker 2>an ancient magical tablet and it's just not telling us. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so your job, what is your least favorite thing about

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<v Speaker 2>your job?

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<v Speaker 3>What sucks? Oh, I knew you were going to ask this,

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<v Speaker 3>and I guess it would just have to be the

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<v Speaker 3>paperwork when you're you know, filling out loan agreements. That's

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00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:28.400
<v Speaker 3>not fun, but it doesn't like suck suck. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>even if I'm like working on something out like a

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00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:34.880
<v Speaker 3>gravestone or out in the rain in the middle of

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<v Speaker 3>both a Napa State Park, You're still in the middle

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00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:40.079
<v Speaker 3>of both a Napa State Park and next to a gravestone.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's most of the desky sure, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd desk stuff. Who wants to do desk stuff when

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<v Speaker 3>you can just go across the hall and photo around

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<v Speaker 3>with an object?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, although yeah, and you're allowed touch it because you're

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<v Speaker 2>wearing gloves and stuff, right, totally right, and because you're

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<v Speaker 2>responsible if it breaks.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>A favorite thing about your job.

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<v Speaker 3>Just honestly just going. So I get to my work

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<v Speaker 3>every day before the sun comes up. Really yeah. I

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<v Speaker 3>get there at seven in the morning, and so I

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00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:07.280
<v Speaker 3>leave the house at four or I get up at

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<v Speaker 3>four fifteen every day. Oh my god, I know. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's pretty crazy, but I get there and I get

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00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:14.159
<v Speaker 3>to like I'm the first one there. And I love

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<v Speaker 3>just like having the keys and opening the door to

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00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:19.920
<v Speaker 3>my building and it's like a wooden door in these

1127
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:22.760
<v Speaker 3>eighteen hundred barracks and it's just really I just like

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<v Speaker 3>walking into it. It's it's fun.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a I should figure this question out myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I might have to google this. But why do museums

1131
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<v Speaker 2>smell so good? Why do old books smell good? What

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<v Speaker 2>are we smelling when we smell old cool stuff?

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00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:39.519
<v Speaker 3>I just think we're smelling history. Yeah, I think history

1134
00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:42.480
<v Speaker 3>smells good. Yeah. I was just Oh, I just got

1135
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:45.519
<v Speaker 3>a cologne that I never haven't tried yet, but it's

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00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:50.320
<v Speaker 3>called book What. Yes, it's amazing, So I'm like excited

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<v Speaker 3>to try it so that I don't even know who

1138
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:53.960
<v Speaker 3>makes it. I just got it for Christmas, like a

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<v Speaker 3>little sample of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh.

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00:56:55.199 --> 00:56:56.559
<v Speaker 3>But someone was like, oh, I know you would like

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<v Speaker 3>this and it's just book.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I would need to order that, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>quick aside, why do old books smell so good? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>I just google the shit out of this, and it

1146
00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:10.280
<v Speaker 2>turns out that paper is made of cellulose and lignin

1147
00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:14.079
<v Speaker 2>from wood pulp, and when they degrade, they throw off

1148
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:19.360
<v Speaker 2>volatile organic compounds that smell a lot like vanilla and almonds.

1149
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<v Speaker 2>So it turns out there are a few colognes formulated

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<v Speaker 2>to smell like old books, and they have names like

1151
00:57:24.559 --> 00:57:30.039
<v Speaker 2>paperback in the Library, book and dead Writers. But I

1152
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<v Speaker 2>applaud all of them for not opting for the less

1153
00:57:33.639 --> 00:57:37.559
<v Speaker 2>huff friendly name of bookworm. Do you have any future goals, Like,

1154
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:39.880
<v Speaker 2>is there anything in terms of being a musologist that

1155
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<v Speaker 2>you're like, I want to do this before the end

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<v Speaker 2>of my career.

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<v Speaker 3>Totally. I do think that a lot of exhibits can

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00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:52.119
<v Speaker 3>be updated and can be more inclusive, and I do

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00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:54.159
<v Speaker 3>want to change that. So I do have that as

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<v Speaker 3>a goal.

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<v Speaker 2>To see what Ronnie Clein's day to day life as

1162
00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:03.119
<v Speaker 2>a musiologist entails, follow his very wonderful Instagram It's museum Ronnie,

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00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:05.440
<v Speaker 2>And as long as you're there, you might want to

1164
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:09.079
<v Speaker 2>check out Granny the Dog, which is his scruffy rescue

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00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:11.519
<v Speaker 2>pup who is very cute. I am proud to say

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00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:14.840
<v Speaker 2>I was her first follower. I was on that. He

1167
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:17.920
<v Speaker 2>was like, hey, I've got it. Boom follow. You can

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<v Speaker 2>also follow Ologies or Ali Ward with one L on

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter or Instagram. You can join the amazing Facebook Ologies

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<v Speaker 2>podcast group, which is admined by Aaron Talbert. Thank you

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00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:33.000
<v Speaker 2>and thank you Steven Ray Morris for editing this on

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<v Speaker 2>a very very tight turnaround while I succumbed this week

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<v Speaker 2>to various shit storms such as a New York blizzard

1174
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:44.119
<v Speaker 2>and the flu very very slow hotel WiFi. The theme

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<v Speaker 2>song was written and recorded by Nick Thorburn of the

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<v Speaker 2>band Islands, and if you make it through their credits,

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<v Speaker 2>you know I share a secret with you. Okay, here's

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00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:58.360
<v Speaker 2>this secret for this week. I've shoplifted one time in

1179
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:02.079
<v Speaker 2>my life because I can't deal with the guilt of

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00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:04.239
<v Speaker 2>doing it otherwise. And it was when I had very

1181
00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:06.079
<v Speaker 2>low blood sugar and I was in a write aid

1182
00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:08.800
<v Speaker 2>and I had to get a cliff bar, like immediately.

1183
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:12.400
<v Speaker 2>I was feeling very woozy and the line was out

1184
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:16.280
<v Speaker 2>the door they were taking forever and I stole the

1185
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:19.719
<v Speaker 2>cliff bar. It was carrot cake flavor. I feel bad

1186
00:59:19.719 --> 00:59:22.000
<v Speaker 2>about it still to this day. And at one point

1187
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:24.679
<v Speaker 2>I thought about getting a carrot cake cliff bar and

1188
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:27.920
<v Speaker 2>somehow anti shoplifting it and smuggling it back in, but

1189
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:31.400
<v Speaker 2>I thought that would be weirder, so write Aid, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I owe you probably two dollars and sixty nine cents

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00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:55.280
<v Speaker 2>or something okay for Bye packidermatology, mombiology, r doo, zoology, lithology, Yeah, technology, meteorology, paratology, nathology, zeriology, selinology,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course a twenty twenty four secret. Ronnie had

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00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:01.719
<v Speaker 2>left me a voicemail summer that I had still saved

1194
01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:04.239
<v Speaker 2>and I listened to it this morning and he was

1195
01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:06.920
<v Speaker 2>talking about this eight four year old journalist, Tom Brokaw,

1196
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:09.280
<v Speaker 2>who has the same kind of cancer that my dad had,

1197
01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:10.840
<v Speaker 2>so he had left me a message about him. It's

1198
01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:14.440
<v Speaker 2>the cancer multiple myeloma. We did a hematology episode about that.

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01:00:14.920 --> 01:00:18.719
<v Speaker 2>But Ronnie leaves me this message and apologizes for rambling,

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01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:21.159
<v Speaker 2>and then at the very end of the message, Ronnie

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01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:24.000
<v Speaker 2>said this about Tom Brokaw, And when I listened to

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01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:28.320
<v Speaker 2>it this morning, it just destroyed me. But it feels

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01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:31.000
<v Speaker 2>like the best way to end this episode. So thank

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01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:35.039
<v Speaker 2>you Ronnie for being our favorite musiologist and a great friend.

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<v Speaker 3>He is such an amazing person that we should never

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01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:43.199
<v Speaker 3>forget him, you know. So anyway, Bye,