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<v Speaker 1>Get ready for October thirteen, and we're not even close

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<v Speaker 1>to Halloween, but it is that date allegedly, according to

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<v Speaker 1>that thing we call a calendar.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the Ocelli effect.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite the strange sound you heard from your host, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>my throat's sore, but that's okay. We're gonna give you

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<v Speaker 1>a little more this week anyway. Now it is a

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<v Speaker 1>Moonday or a Monday, and it is not my standard

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast day, but I had a guess that I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to get on as soon as possible. And why not

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<v Speaker 1>because I think of him as a rock star or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never heard of him before until.

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<v Speaker 2>He emailed me, and he emailed.

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<v Speaker 1>Me and told me he was listening to the Friday

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<v Speaker 1>night open mic show.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know what, He's one.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the handful of people that actually responded to my

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<v Speaker 1>own plea okay for individuals to, you know, to think

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<v Speaker 1>about what it is they're saying and how much of

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<v Speaker 1>their own opinions that they are so strongly committed to

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<v Speaker 1>that they seem to be married to, are you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they actually their own?

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<v Speaker 1>Can I even articulate this process that I'm witnessing happening

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<v Speaker 1>where literally, I mean I hate those AI things, but

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<v Speaker 1>I utilized it in order to find out that people

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<v Speaker 1>were literally, whether knowingly or unknowingly, reading the same script

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<v Speaker 1>that they were also consuming one way or another in

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<v Speaker 1>their different algorithm driven streams of media and in the

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<v Speaker 1>news apps they have, and in the language they were using.

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<v Speaker 1>It was all common and it wasn't just common terminology.

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<v Speaker 1>It was literal robative parenting of things based on guess

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<v Speaker 1>what their political, religious, and social orientations of you?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm witness and there's among.

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<v Speaker 1>People that I deal with all the time, and even

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<v Speaker 1>I've found a couple of things in my own speech

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<v Speaker 1>patterns when I looked at guess what the AI printed

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<v Speaker 1>transcripts of this show? Where I am not working with

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<v Speaker 1>the script, I'm running with a couple of notes.

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<v Speaker 2>These are my own thoughts.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet I still found some duplication of things that

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<v Speaker 1>I was being exposed to.

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<v Speaker 3>Right there and robatea repetition, I mean, talk about mocking

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<v Speaker 3>bird here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, this guy wrote to me about it and

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<v Speaker 1>actually heard my plea for please, how do we serve

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<v Speaker 1>this out?

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<v Speaker 2>How do we improve this? How do we.

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<v Speaker 1>Convince people that they are literally risking their lives, investing

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<v Speaker 1>their treasure, giving up things for things that they believe

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<v Speaker 1>of supreme importance their opinions, and they're not necessarily even

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<v Speaker 1>their own anyway. Via email was entitled unpacking political witch

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<v Speaker 1>hunt switch Dennis Brennan. So I assume I've made contact

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<v Speaker 1>with Dennis Brennan because that's what the email tax say.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows anymore, because maybe he's an AI These are jokes, Tennis, Relax,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mean that really, But the thing is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>here we go keep thinking and keep.

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<v Speaker 4>Your mind open.

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<v Speaker 1>And also situational awareness is a psychological strategy that is

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<v Speaker 1>not only important, but could result in greater in greater

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<v Speaker 1>success when it comes to your personal survival and integrity

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, enough out of me, Dennis, this is an interesting

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<v Speaker 3>thing that you caught the show and you are occupied

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<v Speaker 3>with something else.

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<v Speaker 1>So first I want to find out how you're doing tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>and then immediately after that, I'd like you to tell

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<v Speaker 1>people what it is you do and you know and

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<v Speaker 1>where you're at here, because there's some suggestions in the email.

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<v Speaker 4>Here that give me an idea that you and I are.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to have an interesting discussion about and conversation and

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<v Speaker 1>aline My entire work is through conversation. So yeah, how

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing and tell me and everybody here what it is.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, Well, thanks check, thanks for having me on. I

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<v Speaker 5>I'm doing well today. Uh, and I think I've been

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<v Speaker 5>doing well trying to talk about my book while I've

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<v Speaker 5>been out there.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm an attorney.

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<v Speaker 5>I've been an attorney for thirty five years, also a

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<v Speaker 5>political historian, very involved in local political campaigns for many years.

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<v Speaker 5>I lately what I've been really concentrating on, and the

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<v Speaker 5>reason I contacted you is I wrote a book DC

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<v Speaker 5>Swamp Strikes Back Aaron Burr, Donald Trump, and their similar battles,

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<v Speaker 5>and that book is now out and available, and I'm

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<v Speaker 5>I wanted to get out and talk to you because

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<v Speaker 5>I think some of the themes just in that introduction

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<v Speaker 5>you mentioned are important to discuss in how people see

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<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump, for instance, maybe not so much Aaron Burr.

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<v Speaker 6>They probably don't know much about Aaron Burr.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, that was going to be my first

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<v Speaker 1>question actually, because I know who Aaron Burr is and

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<v Speaker 1>the ending of his political honesty in America is rather

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating just in and of itself. But he has a

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<v Speaker 1>legacy here that a lot of people don't necessarily know

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<v Speaker 1>the name, except they might know that he was involved

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<v Speaker 1>in a duel. But other than that, you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like America is sort of oblivious, or Americans, I

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<v Speaker 1>should say, we're sort of oblivious to a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the history outside of a couple of bullet points that

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<v Speaker 1>you're taught, you know, in high school or in middle

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<v Speaker 1>school or whatever. And Aaron Burr is much like the

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<v Speaker 1>entry for M. Kennedy assassination in a history book to me.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, generational context, I was in school in

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies eighties, okay, And an entry into history book

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<v Speaker 1>if we had one that went up to the Kennedy

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<v Speaker 1>assassination when I was in school, because I went to

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<v Speaker 1>some bad school districts, it might have had one sense.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, John F.

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy was killed in Dallas, Texas, and a man named

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<v Speaker 1>Lee Harvey Oswald either was the assassin or is the

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<v Speaker 1>alleged assassin, and it was assumed that he's the guy

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<v Speaker 1>based on the warrant commission end of story. And that

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<v Speaker 1>would be a lengthy entry for the John F. Kennedy assassination,

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<v Speaker 1>which doesn't begin to explain it doesn't begin to put

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<v Speaker 1>it in context or anything else. Much of our history

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<v Speaker 1>is this. It's worse than Wikipedia. And yeah, I know

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<v Speaker 1>how bad Wikipedia is. And also, by the way, if

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<v Speaker 1>there is some like underlying hostility here toward you during

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<v Speaker 1>this conversation, just remember that might be because you're a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>And okay, I made this point that ninety nine percent

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<v Speaker 1>of lawyers I really like, you know, the jokes about

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<v Speaker 1>like what's wrong with you know, a three hundred seat

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<v Speaker 1>but going off the cliff with two hundred and ninety

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<v Speaker 1>nine lawyers in it the empty seat. You know, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people make those kind of jokes. But realistically,

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<v Speaker 1>I've always said, every time a lawyer shows up in

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<v Speaker 1>it just means it's about to get a whole lot worse.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, so I'm picking on you. But I have

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of friends that are lawyers, but I am

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<v Speaker 1>friendly with them in spite of the fact that they're lawyers,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. Side, I'm gonna put that

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<v Speaker 1>aside because I love Bill Simpitch and a couple other guys,

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<v Speaker 1>Larry Snapp, you know a few other individuals that is,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, maybe have common interest with me, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>good guys and they're nice, and even I knew Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Lane like you know, in a very like superficial way,

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<v Speaker 1>and some other lawyers I've known too, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily hostile towards every one of them. But I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>throwing any sort of legal society get togethers for anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>If I was a trillionaire, Okay it's not happening.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, well, I you know, I don't blame you, because

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<v Speaker 5>you know, we have some bad apples, just like like

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<v Speaker 5>every profession. I think, you know, the one thing that's

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<v Speaker 5>probably true is when a lawyer shows up in your life,

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<v Speaker 5>it's probably going to cost your money one way or

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<v Speaker 5>the other.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, that's that's a fact.

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<v Speaker 5>But I think when you compare lawyers, you know, we

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<v Speaker 5>used to, you know, wonder about car salesman, right, used

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<v Speaker 5>car salesmen were in the bottom wrong? Then you know,

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<v Speaker 5>lawyers were getting that, you know tag at some point.

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<v Speaker 5>I think now it's more the media when we talk

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<v Speaker 5>about you know, which which job or which career is

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<v Speaker 5>the worst it I think people now distrust the media

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<v Speaker 5>more than even lawyers.

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<v Speaker 6>So and I've been in both.

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<v Speaker 5>I was also a small newspaper reporter editor.

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<v Speaker 6>I even owned a newspaper for a while.

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<v Speaker 5>And it is difficult because journalism has changed over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's another thing is I used to have journalists

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<v Speaker 1>on and we talked about, you know, the spirit of

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<v Speaker 1>the business. Like a lawyer theoretically should be somebody I

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<v Speaker 1>respect and appreciate. But I don't mean I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>care about the money comes and goes. Okay, money is

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<v Speaker 1>not the issue with lawyers. I'm telling you. They bring

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<v Speaker 1>misery as far as I'm concerned, and it's not just

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<v Speaker 1>based on a divorce, uh, you know, which I have

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<v Speaker 1>experienced as well. Uh and a pretty profoundly brutal one.

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<v Speaker 2>But either way, it doesn't matter. That's not what I

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<v Speaker 2>hold against them.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, But I just understand that I watch a TV

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<v Speaker 1>show like Better Call Saul, and I really wish most

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<v Speaker 1>of you were like that guy as opposed to what

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<v Speaker 1>it is I see in real life. I'm telling you now,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know. But then again, I also hold your

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<v Speaker 1>average let's hold up Italian businessman or other ethnic businessman

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<v Speaker 1>to get together or less than legal activities. I respect

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<v Speaker 1>those guys a whole lot more than I do politicians

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<v Speaker 1>as well, because a they're better dressed and be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you paid protection money to them, you might actually

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<v Speaker 1>get something for it, unlike the politicians. Okay, so just

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<v Speaker 1>understand my nasty libertarian attitude which other libertarians buyd a

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<v Speaker 1>little hard to swallow because ultimately, you know, when I say,

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<v Speaker 1>what is the you know, the ultimate redress? How do

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<v Speaker 1>we deal with these things when there is no mechanism

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<v Speaker 2>And ultimately they go to well.

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<v Speaker 1>You just you know, arbitration through courts and through and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, oh no, no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>There's got to be a better way, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I don't trust the court system. I see things

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<v Speaker 1>going the wrong way all the time. And much like

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of other elements in society, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what people.

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<v Speaker 2>Buy their way through.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have enough money, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can buy what they call justice. You can buy a

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<v Speaker 1>But if you don't, you can get ground up, either

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<v Speaker 1>in the criminal court system or the civil court system,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, by basically being paid off in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that is really a pittance compared to the damage

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<v Speaker 1>done to you. No matter what it is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>class action or direct lawsuit. It's always a lose lose

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<v Speaker 1>thing for me when I see this go on, and

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<v Speaker 1>so therefore I don't trust the courts either, surprise, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just like I don't trust the other two major branches

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<v Speaker 1>of our government because over time they have absolutely eroded

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<v Speaker 1>credibility in every direction possible in my mind. And the

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<v Speaker 1>media also, yes, and journalism is almost an archaic dead art,

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<v Speaker 1>like a language, you know, like sanscript. Nobody is using

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<v Speaker 1>much like the Constitution, which people will bend to the

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<v Speaker 1>But frankly, just seeing your email, I envisioned that you

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<v Speaker 1>if you're willing, and I'm willing because I want to

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<v Speaker 1>do have a different sense of Donald Trump, which you

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<v Speaker 1>so therefore has an opportunity to make money win or lose. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me about that, because why wouldn't you just go

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<v Speaker 5>You know, you wonder like why I would do something

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<v Speaker 5>Basically when I was doing the newspaper work, it was

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<v Speaker 5>I suppose to cover news. Maybe the others weren't covering.

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<v Speaker 5>or why and how? You know, the five w's the

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<v Speaker 5>one age. That's what you're supposed to concentrate on. Anybody

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<v Speaker 5>that picks up a newspaper, a magazine or watches TV

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<v Speaker 5>news will tell you it's mostly my opinion or that

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<v Speaker 5>issue is, you know, without any evidence. They'll say Donald

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<v Speaker 5>give you the facts. You have to go look it

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<v Speaker 5>up yourself. So part of me doing this book is

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and there needs to be a methodology here because

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<v Speaker 1>I observed the same thing in what's the alleged news business?

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<v Speaker 1>Some people would, you know, take it back to the

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<v Speaker 1>that has been taken to an extreme in what I

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<v Speaker 1>always refer to as the Brady Bunch format, which is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the Brady Bunch. Famously, if you think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody will think of the split screen where you have

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the TikTok toaieboxes okay, nine boxes with people's

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they split the screen on TV, right, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the standard guy who's going to argue on one side.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe he's got a partner. Here's two other people that

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<v Speaker 1>and then you have the alleged moderator or newsperson. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like the Brady Bunch style, except maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>Quite honestly, each news show.

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, encapsulate in a quick summary, which was okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So first hour, we're going to deal with the outrage

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<v Speaker 1>of the day and have the Brady Bunch format. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>second hour, we may change the lineup a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>So we're going to switch some new people in. And

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<v Speaker 1>now the second hour is called how racist is It?

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a game show almost where the outrage of racism.

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<v Speaker 1>Don Lemon is bothered, but he's going to.

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<v Speaker 2>Try and be objective. And now I'm going to throw.

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<v Speaker 1>That on the table in the same arena, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>with a couple of substitutions, almost like it's a basketball

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<v Speaker 1>for the first quarter, this kind of thing, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>And then in between the commercials, which are often you know,

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<v Speaker 1>criticize them, But we can criticize other people and other things,

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<v Speaker 1>and other corporations that maybe are not exactly our advertisers,

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<v Speaker 1>are connected to our parent group of media, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because everything's a conglomeration owned by approximately five corporations some

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<v Speaker 1>So you can see it coming if you understand the

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't always like this was it.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a time, I mean you mentioned the who, when, where, why?

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<v Speaker 1>You're talking about the literal like middle school level of

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<v Speaker 1>in the first paragraph. Now, how do I know this

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<v Speaker 1>because I took those classes and I did beyond high

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<v Speaker 1>myself afterwards. So stay tuned. But that's the reality is

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<v Speaker 1>that it really was that simple. At one time, you

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<v Speaker 1>on radio. Even Okay, when I was growing up, these

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<v Speaker 1>three outlets informed people and it was for the most

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<v Speaker 1>part of public service. I mean, newspaper wanted to turn

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<v Speaker 1>a profit, but it wasn't a massive profit. It was

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<v Speaker 1>just about being able to pay those people to guess

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<v Speaker 1>what do journalism. And you know, local advertisers might have

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<v Speaker 1>also served a dual purpose. You were informed about your

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, there was a marriage there of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that was the concept. When did that go out the window?

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<v Speaker 6>I think when Watergate hit.

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<v Speaker 5>I think Wood, Orton, Bernstein became superstars and how they're

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<v Speaker 6>There's a movie about them.

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<v Speaker 5>People I think in journalism started thinking, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 5>And it's slowly has creeped upon us over the years.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's interesting when you ask journalists, they all

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<v Speaker 5>it right down the line, I'm fair balanced, whatever. But

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<v Speaker 5>when they take polls of the journalists in the newsroom,

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<v Speaker 5>and they've had these over several years, you know, they'll

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<v Speaker 5>find that they're mostly Democrats. Actually, the last one in

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<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty two, only three point four percent of American

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<v Speaker 5>said their independence. I would guess most of those independents

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<v Speaker 6>That's a problem.

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<v Speaker 5>But there's even a bigger problem beyond that, where a

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<v Speaker 6>Around these guys.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't have to deal with the media the same

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<v Speaker 1>the years, and I've got to tell you, I find

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<v Speaker 1>it to be counterfactual completely. And the reason is that

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<v Speaker 1>that is through the lens that you're choosing to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>I see it through a slightly different lens, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have people tell me that I'm insane. Now I'm obviously

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<v Speaker 1>capable of thinking above. You know, the pay grade is

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who's got a bad high school diploma, and that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think a lot of people don't take me seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>When I try and explain that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that is a narrow view of what it

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<v Speaker 1>is you're observing, and the problem is that we don't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that in some cases, Okay, I'll take the

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump thing on because it is the biggest piece

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<v Speaker 1>to bite off and try and chew. Here where I'm

438
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<v Speaker 1>constantly told, look, the media has been against him, he's

439
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<v Speaker 1>gone around it. I find that to be entirely false,

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<v Speaker 1>because here's what happens. In my mind, a guy that

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<v Speaker 1>really had no right to be taken serious, okay, in

442
00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:06.160
<v Speaker 1>the political arena, was absolutely promoted on a twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>to seven basis, even if he was promoted as a

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<v Speaker 1>bad guy by his alleged opposition okay, And indeed what

445
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<v Speaker 1>you're saying is true in part of the media where

446
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<v Speaker 1>it is completely the operatives of the alleged democratic side,

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<v Speaker 1>which I conclude is in collusion with the opposed, the

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<v Speaker 1>alleged opposition. And here's why. Even with them constantly making

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<v Speaker 1>him the bad guy, the bad guy, the bad guy,

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<v Speaker 1>guess what, they're not talking about anything that their alleged

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<v Speaker 1>side is doing. They're talking about him twenty four hours

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<v Speaker 1>a day. So your outrage is supposed to be focused

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<v Speaker 1>on him. You're you know, he's the bad guy. He's

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<v Speaker 1>literally the guy you can root against. I use the

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<v Speaker 1>wrestling analogy often because Jesse Ventura, even though you know

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<v Speaker 1>he's a little bit odd, made a couple of very

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<v Speaker 1>very astute statements over the years, and one of them is,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very much like pro wrestling. Yeah, what you see

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<v Speaker 1>on TV, this guy's the bad guy, he's the bane

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<v Speaker 1>of all things and everything else. But they are promoting him,

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<v Speaker 1>and indeed he's selling his own merchandise. And there is

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<v Speaker 1>a whole business model where you can support the anti

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<v Speaker 1>hero while pretending that you're working against it. Okay, And

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<v Speaker 1>that is what I see here, is that that's going

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<v Speaker 1>on with Trump and he was promoted. There was no

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<v Speaker 1>way the air is suck down in the room. There

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<v Speaker 1>was nothing else being talked about except Donald Trump. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a miscalculation, in my mind, in the political

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<v Speaker 1>halls of power, let's say, during the time when Trump

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<v Speaker 1>ran for president. There was a serious miscalculation. And I

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<v Speaker 1>had Roger Stone on this show and talk to him

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<v Speaker 1>about it in that time period in twenty fifteen when

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<v Speaker 1>he was allegedly dismissed from the campaign, and I swear

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<v Speaker 1>to you, I think he's still working behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 1>with Trump because I see his methodologies in the winning

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<v Speaker 1>strategy that Trump is now utilizing. Okay, and Roger Stone,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, come on, Roger, this guy is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a joke. There is no way anybody could think that

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<v Speaker 1>he is capable of running anything. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>he believes it. It must be nothing more than a

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<v Speaker 1>publicity's done and the media is going right along with it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll tell you why their ratings rose up. People

483
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<v Speaker 1>were paying more attention. They were hate watching so that

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<v Speaker 1>they were tuned in, much like you know Goldberg in

485
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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty four. Everything has to stop so you can,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, have your whatever minutes of outrage, right, your

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<v Speaker 1>minutes of hate. And the thing is they ran that

488
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<v Speaker 1>hate minute on a twenty four to seven cycle, So

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<v Speaker 1>exhaustion comes into the equation for sure. But he was profitable.

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<v Speaker 1>You could see the ratings and the business models rise up,

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<v Speaker 1>their viewerships rolls up.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally, you could witness it.

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<v Speaker 1>On a grab that Donald Trump's popularity or the negative

494
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<v Speaker 1>benefited the entirety of the broadcast and the news business

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<v Speaker 1>in general. If you were covering Donald Trump, whether you

496
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<v Speaker 1>were totally against him or you were the propaganda machine that.

497
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<v Speaker 2>The Rupert Murdochs of the world were running.

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<v Speaker 1>Either way, you know, here's your choices. It's all on

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00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:19.799
<v Speaker 1>a menu of choices. You want to hate Trump, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to pretend like you're being objective, or you want

501
00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:25.720
<v Speaker 1>to go all full throated with him because he's a disruptor,

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<v Speaker 1>he's an outsider and all that. We have something on

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<v Speaker 1>our menu for you. And the thing to remember about

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<v Speaker 1>the menu they offer you at a restaurant is you know, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm making a choice. Yeah, but a lot of choices

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<v Speaker 1>were made for you because you didn't design the menu

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place. You got to think of it

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<v Speaker 1>that way. So this was the offer, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>the benefit that was had by all, even the msnbcs

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, the clown show that is Rachel Maddow

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, for God's sake, Reverend House Sharpton being

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<v Speaker 1>taken seriously, you know, as.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody who's a news analyst.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there's another guy who was a hustler from

515
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<v Speaker 1>the same region I grew up in, and you know what,

516
00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:08.920
<v Speaker 1>he hustled his way into an alleged legitimacy as far

517
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<v Speaker 1>as being a presenter on MSNBC, for God's say. So

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00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:17.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, when you combine that with and back to

519
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<v Speaker 1>Hillary real fast, I think there was a major miscalculation

520
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<v Speaker 1>here is that even if the CIA wanted to directly

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<v Speaker 1>steal an American election on her behalf, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>the American people would have bought it because there were

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<v Speaker 1>no legitimate actual you know. I mean there was a

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00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:36.400
<v Speaker 1>few that they showed you on TV, but there were

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<v Speaker 1>no legitimate supporters who were enthusiastically and organically behind her.

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<v Speaker 1>I openly asked for, you know, please give me some

527
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:48.279
<v Speaker 1>Hillary supporters while this guy is out.

528
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:49.359
<v Speaker 2>Here doing his clown show.

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<v Speaker 1>And I couldn't get legitimate Hillary supporters unless they were

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<v Speaker 1>directly operatives and being paid by the campaign. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>get just regular people in the come on and even

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<v Speaker 1>begin to tell me why she's such a great idea,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And so she was such a pathetically and

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<v Speaker 1>unrelatable character. I mean, think about this. She went out

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<v Speaker 1>with the great grandma of you, right and been the

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<v Speaker 1>kindly grandma. She had the opportunity to sell that as

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00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:21.720
<v Speaker 1>political capital out there to say, look, I'm just like you,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm with the common people. And she couldn't pull that

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<v Speaker 1>off because she didn't even know how to behave like

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<v Speaker 1>a normal human being in public.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and this isn't about politics, I'm.

542
00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:35.720
<v Speaker 1>Telling you, this is about, you know, her less than

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<v Speaker 1>capable ability to interact with the media, with people directly,

544
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:46.279
<v Speaker 1>and to be relatable as another human being in America.

545
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:52.000
<v Speaker 1>She was incapable of that, you know. And so Bill Clinton,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he could sell you stuff with And I

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00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:57.960
<v Speaker 1>know right now I probably sound more like Clinton than

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00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:01.039
<v Speaker 1>I usually do, but I mean thing is he was

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<v Speaker 1>like that with his horse voice and is biting his

550
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:06.359
<v Speaker 1>lip and his off shucks and all that. People looked

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<v Speaker 1>at him and said, you know what, I kind of

552
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<v Speaker 1>believe him. He seems like a legitimate guy, and meanwhile

553
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:13.880
<v Speaker 1>he was another illegitimate human being when he came to

554
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:16.319
<v Speaker 1>what it was, he said he was less than genuine.

555
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:20.680
<v Speaker 1>But there was zero genuine presentation from that woman because

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<v Speaker 1>she was incapable of it. So even if the deep State,

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<v Speaker 1>let's call it, decided to steal the election, for people

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<v Speaker 1>would have been screaming that that was the most fake

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<v Speaker 1>election they ever saw. We might have seen a revolution

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<v Speaker 1>because it would have been obvious that she wasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>marketable as a candidate. And I think they miscalculated about that,

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<v Speaker 1>and once that happened, they had no choice but to

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<v Speaker 1>allow Trump, who actually had legitimate, populous support.

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<v Speaker 2>And why did he have that support.

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00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Because he was saying things that were, you know, clean

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<v Speaker 1>to the fact that people had felt as though they

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<v Speaker 1>had been left behind and shut out of the system,

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<v Speaker 1>ignored and now abused by the system that was meant

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00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:05.039
<v Speaker 1>to serve them. And he literally said, no, we're going

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00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:06.880
<v Speaker 1>to get the people that did that to you.

571
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<v Speaker 2>We're going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Change everything because I'm like you.

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<v Speaker 2>And I can't be bought.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, that sounds pretty good when you

575
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:18.799
<v Speaker 1>have alien woman over here, you know, allegedly being a candidate.

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00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:23.119
<v Speaker 1>She was so terrible and they miscalculated so bad, thinking

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00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:25.799
<v Speaker 1>there's no way that somebody's going to buy this joke

578
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:30.599
<v Speaker 1>over here that you know the miss and they miscalculated earlier.

579
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Than him having the nomination.

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<v Speaker 1>But when I said this, old Roger Stone off the

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<v Speaker 1>air and then partially on air, he said, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what the problem is, Chuck, You sorely misunderstand the amount

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<v Speaker 1>and the level of narcissism that you're looking at with Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a guy who is in no way connected

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00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:52.519
<v Speaker 1>to your world of thinking. He is on another level.

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00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:56.000
<v Speaker 1>He really believes that he can run everything because he

587
00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:59.519
<v Speaker 1>always has and he's always been successful even when he fails.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, wow, yeah, and that's Roger Stone, who

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00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:04.559
<v Speaker 1>was a good friend of his. And you know the

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00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:06.160
<v Speaker 1>history then, and.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, I'm a fan of rober Stones.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying I know that this guy was effective

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<v Speaker 1>as a political operative and somebody who got things done,

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of how they wanted to do him dirty and

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00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:18.279
<v Speaker 1>get him out of the establishment and get him away

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00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:21.640
<v Speaker 1>from everybody because he was dangerous to you know, the

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00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:26.079
<v Speaker 1>politic dajure of any given time period. And you notice

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't gone for against anybody here. I'm telling you

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00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:31.599
<v Speaker 1>what I see as far as what was workable in

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<v Speaker 1>the media.

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00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:35.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, even people that cast the Jerry Springer Show.

602
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:38.720
<v Speaker 1>Legitimately weren't necessarily in love with Jerry Springer, but the

603
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:42.640
<v Speaker 1>action made them feel good or better, et cetera, et cetera.

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00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:45.759
<v Speaker 1>And that's what Donald Trump did. The words, let's lock

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<v Speaker 1>her up because we feel that she's responsible.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get these.

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<v Speaker 1>People who have tried to, you know, make our lives

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<v Speaker 1>miserable and unlivable. And you know what, that grievance, that

609
00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:59.440
<v Speaker 1>appeal to grievance gave him the ability to say, give

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<v Speaker 1>me the authority and I'll do it. And people bought

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00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:05.079
<v Speaker 1>that because at least it sounded real. I'm sorry, I

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00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:06.920
<v Speaker 1>know that was a long rant, but I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>explain that right away. Your premise fothers me because I

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<v Speaker 1>see it in this light. So please help help me

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<v Speaker 1>to see your side of it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, let me, there's a lot there. I'll agree with

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<v Speaker 5>that if you put a lot there. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 5>start with did the media build up Trump? Yes, I

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<v Speaker 5>think they did, but it started in the primary, and

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<v Speaker 5>I think they did that with the purpose of Trump

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<v Speaker 5>being the candidate they thought Hillary could beat.

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<v Speaker 6>I think when you look at.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, I agree with you on that, just.

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<v Speaker 5>Ahead and you know, and it's like he was a

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<v Speaker 5>star on MSNBC, right, Joe Scarborough, who now dislikes him.

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<v Speaker 6>I guess we had him on all the time.

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<v Speaker 5>Trump would call in, and I think those relationships, so

628
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<v Speaker 5>they lay out in the book, the owners, not so

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<v Speaker 5>much the people, like the president of NBC at the time,

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<v Speaker 5>her what she called her life partner, was a lobbyist,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, and he also worked for mauryel Bowser, the

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<v Speaker 5>Democrat mayor in DC. You had ABC had their news

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<v Speaker 5>executive producer Mary to Susan Rice. The CBS president, David Rhodes,

634
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<v Speaker 5>was the brother of Ben Rhoades, who was in Obama's

635
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<v Speaker 5>administration as National Security advisor. CNN's president was married to

636
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<v Speaker 5>a Hillary deputy, a deputy secretary. ABC had the brother

637
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:45.119
<v Speaker 5>of another Obama advisor, Elizabeth Sherwood. And it goes on

638
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:49.119
<v Speaker 5>and on, and I think these people, I think you're right,

639
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:53.440
<v Speaker 5>they knew Hillary was a bad candidate. That's why nobody

640
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:56.519
<v Speaker 5>like Barack Obama was able to take her out In

641
00:34:56.800 --> 00:35:00.519
<v Speaker 5>two thousand and eight. You know, he had served a

642
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:02.119
<v Speaker 5>couple of years in the Senate and all of a

643
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:05.960
<v Speaker 5>sudden he's the star of the party. But when they

644
00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:08.800
<v Speaker 5>went to twenty sixteen, yeah, they looked at it like

645
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:12.320
<v Speaker 5>Hillary has a problem beating let's say, Jeb Bush or

646
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.960
<v Speaker 5>whoever that's on that stage. Trump was the guy they

647
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:19.360
<v Speaker 5>thought is a joke. Now it turns out they're wrong.

648
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:23.360
<v Speaker 5>You know, he was able to win so of it

649
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:26.719
<v Speaker 5>I think is Hillary like you mentioned, you know, when

650
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<v Speaker 5>you call Americans deplorables. I mean there's some people that

651
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:34.920
<v Speaker 5>vote for you know, let's say Kamala Harrison the last election,

652
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:37.960
<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't call them deplorables. I mean, some of them

653
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:39.840
<v Speaker 5>are friends of IBE.

654
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<v Speaker 6>I don't.

655
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:44.119
<v Speaker 5>I just think they're misled. They don't, you know, to

656
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<v Speaker 5>the point that you made originally in the previous show.

657
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:51.960
<v Speaker 5>You believe things that you keep being told, and the

658
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:55.840
<v Speaker 5>media is one of those brainwashing mechanisms, as is our

659
00:35:56.400 --> 00:36:01.440
<v Speaker 5>education system and a lot of our institutions.

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<v Speaker 7>Right here, I have a question in this pocket, please,

661
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<v Speaker 7>because okay, you mentioned the debate, and yes, on the

662
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:09.440
<v Speaker 7>one hand, you're very correct.

663
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:11.920
<v Speaker 1>There's all these people that are democratic operatives and all that.

664
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<v Speaker 1>But then you have to square it with what happened,

665
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:17.760
<v Speaker 1>which is, okay, the debates happened. And when I had

666
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:21.159
<v Speaker 1>Roger Stone on Jeb Bush, he was writing a book

667
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:25.079
<v Speaker 1>to basically kneecap Jed Bush in the primary. Okay, he

668
00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:27.400
<v Speaker 1>put out that book. It wasn't very popular, it wasn't

669
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.960
<v Speaker 1>necessary because Jeed Bush, you know, took himself out. All right.

670
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:34.800
<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile the Democrats are turning around and making sure to

671
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:37.880
<v Speaker 1>really manipulate a selection process.

672
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:39.039
<v Speaker 2>When he came to Bernie.

673
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:42.280
<v Speaker 1>Sanders directly, okay, because he actually had people that were

674
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:46.639
<v Speaker 1>enthusiastics supporting him among the Democrats, we totally removed him

675
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:50.000
<v Speaker 1>from the equation, you know, just based on what it

676
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:52.719
<v Speaker 1>is they wanted to do, regardless of what the people wanted.

677
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:55.840
<v Speaker 2>So there you go. But the interesting thing.

678
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:58.119
<v Speaker 1>About Trump and the debates is that he didn't even

679
00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:01.440
<v Speaker 1>win a debate. What he did is go in there

680
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:04.119
<v Speaker 1>and say, you know what, realistically, a debate is not

681
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:06.639
<v Speaker 1>just about winning. Now most people think that's all it is,

682
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:10.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, win your point when your argument. Debating in

683
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:13.239
<v Speaker 1>more than that, Donald Trump walked in there without the

684
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:17.280
<v Speaker 1>knowledge of a how to really debate anything, but he

685
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:19.480
<v Speaker 1>did know how to win an argument, and those are

686
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:22.239
<v Speaker 1>two different things. Now, he went in there and he

687
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:26.679
<v Speaker 1>won the arguments by, you know, basically throwing out the

688
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:29.159
<v Speaker 1>book on what it is you're supposed to do. He's

689
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:32.079
<v Speaker 1>interrupting people and going, yeah, well you know you did this,

690
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:34.599
<v Speaker 1>Well what about your family and the wars boom boom book.

691
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.400
<v Speaker 1>He just kept hitting people even when it wasn't He

692
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:40.159
<v Speaker 1>was like stepping up. If it was baseball, the guy

693
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:42.280
<v Speaker 1>is stepping up out of the dugout, walking up to

694
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:43.960
<v Speaker 1>the plate with a bat and taking a swing at

695
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:46.559
<v Speaker 1>a ball that wasn't even pitched to him. Okay, that's

696
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:50.119
<v Speaker 1>what he was doing. And in reality, somebody might say, well,

697
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:53.239
<v Speaker 1>either he's an idiot or he's so smart that he's

698
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:56.360
<v Speaker 1>just decided to go around it and utilize that airtime

699
00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:59.639
<v Speaker 1>to really make his points. So he just created all

700
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:04.079
<v Speaker 1>of possible campaign as during the time that they were

701
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:05.079
<v Speaker 1>allegedly debating.

702
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:07.320
<v Speaker 2>And I mean, so you've got.

703
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:09.400
<v Speaker 1>To recognize it that way in my mind, So the

704
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:13.639
<v Speaker 1>people in these media organizations, regardless of their intent, when

705
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:16.639
<v Speaker 1>they saw this, they could have corralled it and put

706
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:18.880
<v Speaker 1>a stop to it and taken the spotlight off of

707
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:23.039
<v Speaker 1>him if they really wanted to strategically defeat him. But

708
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:25.679
<v Speaker 1>that wasn't what it was about. It was about the

709
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:27.559
<v Speaker 1>fact that some of them were on their way out

710
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:30.599
<v Speaker 1>business wise. People had stopped watching a lot of this stuff.

711
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:32.159
<v Speaker 2>People were bored with it.

712
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:35.599
<v Speaker 1>And knew they were being deceived, you know, for political

713
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:38.079
<v Speaker 1>talking points. You know, like I said about the astrasenttion

714
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:41.440
<v Speaker 1>stuff and removing the drug you know, any criticism of

715
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:44.519
<v Speaker 1>drugs that were literally being marketed and killing people. You

716
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:47.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't see big news stories on that. You saw new

717
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:50.599
<v Speaker 1>stories about drug companies doing well because you know, magically

718
00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:53.920
<v Speaker 1>and just go instantly that's who their sponsors were. You

719
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:56.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't see them being guys and they were literally killing people.

720
00:38:57.320 --> 00:39:00.920
<v Speaker 1>So Trump could have easily been made a lot less

721
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:04.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, substantial as a candidate if they had simply

722
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:05.960
<v Speaker 1>stopped giving him the.

723
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Air, stopped giving him the controversy.

724
00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:11.679
<v Speaker 1>I mean, even when they dug up the Access Hollywood team,

725
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.840
<v Speaker 1>that was a search they did trying to come up

726
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:19.280
<v Speaker 1>with something anything, because they wanted the sensational breaking headline.

727
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Everybody wants to meet TMZ, you know completely probably there going.

728
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Another lawyer running a media out.

729
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:29.079
<v Speaker 4>There right, And here we go.

730
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:33.880
<v Speaker 1>The way I'm viewing it. And again you might think

731
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:37.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm crazy or maybe I got intense, you know, because

732
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:41.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm just sort of hostile towards disingenuous people.

733
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:42.920
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, if i'scle towards.

734
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:46.559
<v Speaker 1>Disingenuous people, I should really stay away from politics and

735
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:48.840
<v Speaker 1>media people, because that's what I'm gonna get is a

736
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:51.039
<v Speaker 1>lot of fake not just fake news, but how about

737
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:55.400
<v Speaker 1>fake newspeople and fake politicians. They're not real, they're not legitimate,

738
00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:58.840
<v Speaker 1>they're not really speaking to their values or their reality.

739
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:01.559
<v Speaker 2>They're here to come and that's what they do.

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00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:07.320
<v Speaker 5>Well, no, I think you know, you hit on something

741
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:09.440
<v Speaker 5>that I wanted to make sure we didn't pass up.

742
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:14.079
<v Speaker 5>Like you mentioned the Hollywood Access tape. Hollywood Access, Right,

743
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:17.800
<v Speaker 5>that's the show that came out. You know, they knew

744
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:20.119
<v Speaker 5>about it, but it came out a month before the election.

745
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:24.360
<v Speaker 5>So he's already the candidate that they've helped create because

746
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:27.199
<v Speaker 5>they think he's going to lose, and then a month

747
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:30.760
<v Speaker 5>before they realized, wait a minute, he might win this thing.

748
00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:34.960
<v Speaker 5>And you know, now that tape comes out. But the

749
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:38.639
<v Speaker 5>problem that they always have when they attack Trump is

750
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:39.840
<v Speaker 5>Trump's base.

751
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:41.599
<v Speaker 6>Does not care about that.

752
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:45.960
<v Speaker 5>And I think also you have you know, a lot

753
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:49.159
<v Speaker 5>of even the regular Republicans were at that point upset

754
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:55.199
<v Speaker 5>because you know, Obama Hillary Clinton were both attacking Republicans

755
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:58.079
<v Speaker 5>in general for years. So it almost becomes I'm not

756
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:03.320
<v Speaker 5>voting for them, and so I think that Hollywood Access tape. Yeah,

757
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:05.559
<v Speaker 5>they were trying to take him out at that point,

758
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:08.880
<v Speaker 5>and usually that works with most candidates, right, It didn't

759
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:09.719
<v Speaker 5>work with Trump.

760
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:13.159
<v Speaker 1>He used to, but I think Bill Clinton taught it's

761
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:17.480
<v Speaker 1>a different lesson because remember, the moral high ground was

762
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:20.519
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be a big deal. Now I'm not concerned,

763
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:22.360
<v Speaker 1>and I'll tell you I was part of that then,

764
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:23.840
<v Speaker 1>and that was one of my you know, my first

765
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:26.880
<v Speaker 1>presidential candidate I ever voted for was Bill Clinton. And yes,

766
00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:29.599
<v Speaker 1>I realize it's a mistake now, but at the time,

767
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:32.800
<v Speaker 1>I was a young guy and I was being directly

768
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:35.840
<v Speaker 1>influenced a kind of you know, oblivious to a lot

769
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:37.920
<v Speaker 1>of what the media was doing, and Bill Clinton just

770
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:39.800
<v Speaker 1>seemed like, you know, a better choice.

771
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:41.400
<v Speaker 2>I didn't like George H. W.

772
00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Bush.

773
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:42.480
<v Speaker 4>I didn't like him.

774
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:45.480
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't about Democrat Republican. It was just about I

775
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:48.920
<v Speaker 1>found Clinton likable and the thing is he gets caught

776
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:51.159
<v Speaker 1>up in a scandal where he's taking advantage of his

777
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:55.880
<v Speaker 1>position and power over this girl. Her life is ruined, right,

778
00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:59.599
<v Speaker 1>can't even be faithful to his wife, so therefore, you

779
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:01.440
<v Speaker 1>know how we're going to trust him with the country.

780
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:03.679
<v Speaker 1>This was, you know, part of the moral outrage of

781
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:08.199
<v Speaker 1>the time, and believe me, it dominated. Another section of

782
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:11.760
<v Speaker 1>media that has never been touched really by liberals in

783
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:12.360
<v Speaker 1>a real.

784
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:13.320
<v Speaker 2>Way is talk radio.

785
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:16.840
<v Speaker 1>It survives even today, just barely, based on the fact

786
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:20.280
<v Speaker 1>that it is absolutely loaded and has only been successful

787
00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:23.679
<v Speaker 1>in the political game. You can do sports radio or

788
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:25.360
<v Speaker 1>you can do conservative.

789
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:26.199
<v Speaker 2>Radio, and that's it.

790
00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:29.559
<v Speaker 1>In Rush Limbaugh, you know, crack, that coach very well

791
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:32.079
<v Speaker 1>figured it out how to work at that. But there are,

792
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:34.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, many of them. Before Rush Limbaugh. There was

793
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:37.360
<v Speaker 1>a guy named Bob Brant, New York that I used

794
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:39.360
<v Speaker 1>to listen to all the time. He used to start

795
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:45.000
<v Speaker 1>his shows by basically insulting Mario Clmo with an Italian every.

796
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Day, and I used to listen to him. You know,

797
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Curtis Sleeve was running for mayor.

798
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Now, yeah, he was a Guardian angel and he was

799
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:53.480
<v Speaker 1>almost seen as a lefty kind of but he never was,

800
00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:55.880
<v Speaker 1>and he's now what the Republican.

801
00:42:55.480 --> 00:42:58.519
<v Speaker 2>Candidate for mayor in New York not doing well? But

802
00:42:58.599 --> 00:42:59.159
<v Speaker 2>there he is.

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00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Right, that's pretty substantial of the change.

804
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:04.679
<v Speaker 2>But here's the deal. Bill Clinton did.

805
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Something that normally should have disqualified him on his character. Uh.

806
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:12.719
<v Speaker 1>And you know, most of America, in all honesty, even

807
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:14.760
<v Speaker 1>though with the impeachment and everything else. And I'm bringing

808
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:18.119
<v Speaker 1>him up only because he's a Democrat, even with the

809
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:20.480
<v Speaker 1>impeachment and everything else, a lot of people like myself

810
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:24.119
<v Speaker 1>kind of went, so what because you know and that yeah,

811
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:26.840
<v Speaker 1>and that's what happened with access Hollywood. And meanwhile, Bill

812
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:31.159
<v Speaker 1>Clinton literally had a physical relationship that was proven in public.

813
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:32.039
<v Speaker 2>And he lied on the oath.

814
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:36.480
<v Speaker 1>And still people like me said, yes, so what, who's

815
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:39.159
<v Speaker 1>not gonna lie about cheating on his wife? I mean seriously,

816
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:40.400
<v Speaker 1>that was what it boiled down to.

817
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:44.920
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, he got the bill, you know, and he

818
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:47.840
<v Speaker 2>knew that he knew them Trump did at the time,

819
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:49.920
<v Speaker 2>by the way, but anyway, go ahead.

820
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:53.159
<v Speaker 5>No, I think you know, that's a real good example.

821
00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:55.960
<v Speaker 5>Clinton might have been the one that that broke it

822
00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:59.920
<v Speaker 5>right that uh, it didn't matter you know if people

823
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:03.519
<v Speaker 5>because that was the excuse and that excuse even went

824
00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:07.719
<v Speaker 5>on when you know, George W. Bush became president and

825
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.880
<v Speaker 5>what were people yelling on the other side. You know,

826
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:15.519
<v Speaker 5>Bush lied and people died, you know, and for and

827
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:18.239
<v Speaker 5>they would say that when Clinton lied, it was about sex.

828
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:23.679
<v Speaker 5>It's like, well, okay, that's a great excuse. But yeah,

829
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:26.599
<v Speaker 5>up until then you go back to Gary Hart, you know,

830
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:28.800
<v Speaker 5>when he was in the primary and other candidates over

831
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:30.639
<v Speaker 5>the years. He's the one that comes to mind though,

832
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:34.039
<v Speaker 5>where he's caught, you know, on a boat with some

833
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:38.000
<v Speaker 5>young woman who's not his wife. That's it. His campaign's

834
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:42.159
<v Speaker 5>over and literally called monkey business.

835
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you know he had moved not because of character.

836
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:49.159
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't you know, politically taken down because of his character.

837
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<v Speaker 1>You know this, he was politically taken down because he

838
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:55.639
<v Speaker 1>had and people forget, he had been part of those

839
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:58.800
<v Speaker 1>investigations that were challenging and actually pulling some of the

840
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:01.559
<v Speaker 1>dirt that people were doing the government out in the public.

841
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:05.360
<v Speaker 1>So that's why he had to be sidelined. That's why

842
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:06.199
<v Speaker 1>Gary Hart went out.

843
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:07.400
<v Speaker 2>If you don't believe me, check.

844
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Out you know, his involvement with some of the investigations

845
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:12.760
<v Speaker 1>and the slew of them that occurred in the nineteen seventies,

846
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:15.559
<v Speaker 1>which by the way, is also part of his calculus here.

847
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:17.719
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not even going to go too deep into

848
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:21.159
<v Speaker 1>the Iran contrast to that year. Another thing we're seeing

849
00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:23.880
<v Speaker 1>that both sides of the equation do the dirty thing,

850
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:26.960
<v Speaker 1>and if the public doesn't care, take the public doesn't care,

851
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:30.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean Barack Obama. I can make this

852
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:34.719
<v Speaker 1>statement without hesitation. Barack Obama literally ordered the murder of

853
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:38.679
<v Speaker 1>an American citizen on foreign soil, without any due process

854
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:41.880
<v Speaker 1>or even an adversarial process to prove that he was

855
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:42.800
<v Speaker 1>guilty of a crime.

856
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:44.159
<v Speaker 2>Now, I know that.

857
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:45.840
<v Speaker 1>That guy is not popular, and if I bring up

858
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:47.519
<v Speaker 1>his name, people are going to go, yes, so much.

859
00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:50.880
<v Speaker 1>But Barack Obama literally ordered the murder of an American

860
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:55.280
<v Speaker 1>citizen on foreign soil. That's a historical factor, okay, and

861
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:57.760
<v Speaker 1>more than one in my estimation. But you know what

862
00:45:57.840 --> 00:45:58.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about.

863
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:00.920
<v Speaker 6>Right, yeah?

864
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:02.960
<v Speaker 5>And I think you know I've mentioned this to other

865
00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:07.239
<v Speaker 5>people when they talk about so called crimes by the president.

866
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:10.599
<v Speaker 5>You know, it's like he said, be careful because you

867
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:13.199
<v Speaker 5>never know if they want to look back at others

868
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:16.880
<v Speaker 5>who have done things that you know aren't authorized by Congress,

869
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:19.679
<v Speaker 5>and he just you know, as the commander in chief,

870
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:24.119
<v Speaker 5>you have a lot of leeway and often they finish it.

871
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:27.880
<v Speaker 1>You have a lot of leeway, even contradicting the oath

872
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:30.000
<v Speaker 1>that you took to take that office. You know, he's

873
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:32.480
<v Speaker 1>supposed to defend it ready, the people of the United

874
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:36.639
<v Speaker 1>States against all enemies, barre and domestic. That doesn't seem

875
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:39.559
<v Speaker 1>to invite that you can call a drone strike on

876
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:41.639
<v Speaker 1>a guy that you've declared to be a terrorist. Whether

877
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:43.800
<v Speaker 1>he was a terrorist or not is irrelevant. You didn't

878
00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:46.519
<v Speaker 1>give him a due process. You didn't give him the

879
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:50.800
<v Speaker 1>opportunity to the constitution to do what to prove his

880
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:53.440
<v Speaker 1>innocence or guilty. You're supposed to be what innocent before

881
00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:56.639
<v Speaker 1>proven guilty? I mean, mister lawyer, you got to admit

882
00:46:56.880 --> 00:47:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Morocco effectively murdered an American citizen without any process. Okay, outside, good,

883
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:08.159
<v Speaker 1>go ahead. But I just want to say, I mean,

884
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:11.280
<v Speaker 1>the facts are facts, right, So if we brass tack

885
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:13.920
<v Speaker 1>this thing, the fact that Donald Trump makes you know,

886
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:17.079
<v Speaker 1>some elude comments on a bus to Billy Bush, who

887
00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:19.519
<v Speaker 1>was still angry about it, by the way, Uh, you know,

888
00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:22.039
<v Speaker 1>it makes some lude comments to Billy Bush who kind

889
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:24.519
<v Speaker 1>of celebrates along with him, and it does become locker

890
00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:25.079
<v Speaker 1>room talk.

891
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:25.599
<v Speaker 2>Guess what.

892
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the American people are going to look at that

893
00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:30.320
<v Speaker 1>and go, yes, so what And I don't blame them

894
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:32.800
<v Speaker 1>considering you know, if I want to dig, I can

895
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:35.480
<v Speaker 1>find all kinds of interesting things. It used to be

896
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:38.239
<v Speaker 1>a problem when we had a president who wasn't even

897
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:42.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, no military service. You refuse military service, you're

898
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:42.760
<v Speaker 1>a draft dodger.

899
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:43.519
<v Speaker 2>All that stuff.

900
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:46.840
<v Speaker 1>He used to count too, And then what Bill Clinton? Right,

901
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:51.000
<v Speaker 1>so no military service. Don't even attempt to pretend like

902
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:53.639
<v Speaker 1>you did. I mean, Ronald Reagan didn't serve either. But

903
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:57.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, here we go, right, no military service and

904
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:00.840
<v Speaker 1>Rile Trump is canet bone spurs as far as I'm concerned,

905
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:03.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, and went to a military academy that was

906
00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:06.239
<v Speaker 1>paid for so he can walk around that uniform. But

907
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:10.280
<v Speaker 1>that's the closest he ever came to serving. So now

908
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:13.519
<v Speaker 1>he's commander in chief. Where's the outrage over that? People

909
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:17.320
<v Speaker 1>don't care? They care when it worked for him, Now

910
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:21.119
<v Speaker 1>they don't. So you know, there's a difference in what's

911
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:24.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, the moral high ground depending on the candidate. Huh,

912
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:27.559
<v Speaker 1>And that's all I'm pointing out what I'm swinging both

913
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:30.400
<v Speaker 1>ways on this. Okay, it's like, don't know about it,

914
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:34.599
<v Speaker 1>you know, the moral high ground on either side because

915
00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:37.079
<v Speaker 1>it's you know, I can find a criminal match your

916
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:37.960
<v Speaker 1>criminal any day.

917
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:39.159
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying.

918
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:39.639
<v Speaker 1>It just.

919
00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:43.239
<v Speaker 6>Yes, I do know what you're saying.

920
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:45.480
<v Speaker 5>And I think it's funny because some of the people

921
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:48.480
<v Speaker 5>maybe that said there was no due process back when

922
00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:51.559
<v Speaker 5>Obama was doing his thing now would say, you don't

923
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:54.840
<v Speaker 5>need due process on the you know, the drug cartels

924
00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:57.559
<v Speaker 5>that are you know, in the boats that Trump is

925
00:48:57.960 --> 00:48:58.679
<v Speaker 5>blowing up.

926
00:48:59.199 --> 00:48:59.960
<v Speaker 6>And vice versa.

927
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:04.079
<v Speaker 5>Well, the Democrats have offended Obama now say where's due process?

928
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:07.320
<v Speaker 6>And we, as Americans?

929
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:09.639
<v Speaker 5>I think the great thing about being an American maybe

930
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:13.280
<v Speaker 5>or maybe the sad thing is we switch our positions

931
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:16.320
<v Speaker 5>based on where our party is, you know, and.

932
00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:19.039
<v Speaker 6>That seems to be constant. That's the only thing is

933
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:20.719
<v Speaker 6>constant in politics.

934
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Right, the only thing that's kind of se I learned

935
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:29.400
<v Speaker 1>this in New Jersey because Jersey politics the outsiders that

936
00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:32.199
<v Speaker 1>have never experienced it, you know, up front and closed.

937
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:34.800
<v Speaker 1>I think that in a lot of cases that New

938
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Jersey's a blue state and it's liberal and this and that,

939
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:41.440
<v Speaker 1>and you totally misunderstand Jersey if you think that, because

940
00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:46.000
<v Speaker 1>it's not. It's a clearly purple state that literally swings

941
00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:48.280
<v Speaker 1>back and forth like those things that used to sit

942
00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:50.239
<v Speaker 1>on the desk with the metal balls that we click

943
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:53.039
<v Speaker 1>and clack back and forth. Literally, that is the way

944
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Jersey politics work. Okay, there is no consistency as well,

945
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:03.880
<v Speaker 1>is it being conservative or you know, a Republican or Democrat.

946
00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:06.320
<v Speaker 1>And you need to throw that book out if that's

947
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:09.719
<v Speaker 1>what you think, because that's not the way Jersey politics works.

948
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:13.039
<v Speaker 2>And it is corrupt. It is corrupt too.

949
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:15.880
<v Speaker 1>But it's not, you know, at the level that some

950
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:18.039
<v Speaker 1>people like to portray it as. And it's not New

951
00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:20.760
<v Speaker 1>York City either, even though if you live in New

952
00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:23.440
<v Speaker 1>Jersey and you say the words the city, you're talking

953
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:25.639
<v Speaker 1>about New York, you're not even talking about a city

954
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:29.639
<v Speaker 1>in Jersey. But the reality is it's attached to New

955
00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:32.440
<v Speaker 1>York in a unique way. I mean to such a

956
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:35.239
<v Speaker 1>degree that it's represented quite well by the arrangement with

957
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:37.679
<v Speaker 1>the port Authority that shares the Hudson River and the

958
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:41.679
<v Speaker 1>Statue of Liberty and other things in responsibility and et cetera.

959
00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:45.840
<v Speaker 1>But the truth about it is something completely different. You know,

960
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:48.679
<v Speaker 1>like people have had this impression. I live in Georgia now, right,

961
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:52.039
<v Speaker 1>and if you observe this place up close, you know

962
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:55.880
<v Speaker 1>that this entire state in reality is controlled top to

963
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:57.840
<v Speaker 1>bottom by the Republican.

964
00:50:57.320 --> 00:50:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Party in absolute.

965
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Now, people would say, well, what about Atlanta, what about Savannah. Yeah,

966
00:51:03.519 --> 00:51:07.440
<v Speaker 1>there's these blue sploshes in there that indeed make an

967
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:11.280
<v Speaker 1>impact because they have the better media outlets, But in

968
00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:14.000
<v Speaker 1>reality it doesn't matter. You can't beat the rest of

969
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:16.000
<v Speaker 1>the state with just you know, a couple of cities.

970
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:16.880
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't work.

971
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:20.159
<v Speaker 1>And I'm even sitting in an allegedly blue area in Macon,

972
00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Georgia right now. This is where I live, and Macon

973
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:28.280
<v Speaker 1>is you know, they elect a Democratic mayor or whatever.

974
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:31.400
<v Speaker 1>But the truth is all they keep doing consistently is

975
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:35.280
<v Speaker 1>electing corrupt people and the city gets fleeced and then

976
00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:37.639
<v Speaker 1>we move on to the opposite side of the equation.

977
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:40.320
<v Speaker 1>So that's why that Democrat's theirs, because the last Republican

978
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:42.800
<v Speaker 1>flees them, and then they'll put this Democrat in and

979
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.199
<v Speaker 1>he hasn't done it quite yet, although there's already.

980
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:47.679
<v Speaker 2>Allegations it'll come out this guy. I'll flee them and

981
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:49.199
<v Speaker 2>then they'll switch to the Republicans.

982
00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:51.519
<v Speaker 1>This is what they do. So I kind of feel

983
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:55.119
<v Speaker 1>at home almostly it's Jersey because of this, you know,

984
00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:58.320
<v Speaker 1>arbitrary switching back and forth, thinking that one side or

985
00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:00.679
<v Speaker 1>the other is going to do something different. Yeah, and

986
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:03.920
<v Speaker 1>so but anyway back to this overall thing about Trump

987
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:06.400
<v Speaker 1>and Jeb Bush. Jeb Bush was a failure as a

988
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:10.119
<v Speaker 1>candidate because he was a failure. And I literally thought

989
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:13.000
<v Speaker 1>before we got into it and into the primaries and

990
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:15.880
<v Speaker 1>people got serious about it, when there was like twelve candidates,

991
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:18.880
<v Speaker 1>I said to myself, you know what, they're gonna manipulate

992
00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:21.039
<v Speaker 1>this so that we have you know, Bush Clinton too,

993
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:23.239
<v Speaker 1>like you know, like Super Fight two.

994
00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:24.679
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be like I'll leave.

995
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Versus Foreman, let's do it again, and that's what they're

996
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:30.199
<v Speaker 1>gonna do here. I really felt that way, and I

997
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:33.800
<v Speaker 1>was almost shocked when Trump was taken seriously and then

998
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:36.400
<v Speaker 1>I saw what you saw, which was they were gonna

999
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:40.480
<v Speaker 1>undermine and destroy this guy as a candidate. And therefore

1000
00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:42.280
<v Speaker 1>it was like, look, we're gonna let this guy get

1001
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:44.719
<v Speaker 1>in there and even encourage it because he's going to

1002
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:47.079
<v Speaker 1>be so easy to be. Now, I knew that was

1003
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:49.719
<v Speaker 1>a miscalculation, but I in no way thought this guy

1004
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:54.639
<v Speaker 1>could possibly win. And yet guess what happened. And I

1005
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:56.239
<v Speaker 1>think that was a shock to a lot of people.

1006
00:52:56.239 --> 00:52:58.599
<v Speaker 1>But like I said, even the CIA couldn't have stolen

1007
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:00.199
<v Speaker 1>this election. For Hillary would.

1008
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Never have been bought.

1009
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:03.159
<v Speaker 1>It would have been like, here's what happened, folks, We

1010
00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:05.400
<v Speaker 1>won the war because the Cats were out of space,

1011
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:08.760
<v Speaker 1>intervened and decided to fight on our side in the air,

1012
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:09.679
<v Speaker 1>and therefore we won.

1013
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Nobody would buy this.

1014
00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:15.599
<v Speaker 1>Nobody would buy that Millary Clinton was a you know,

1015
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:20.159
<v Speaker 1>voted in by potting and ellectedly she won the popular vote, which.

1016
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Tells you something. And by the way, I have.

1017
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Questions about a lot of elections and the manipulation on

1018
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:28.199
<v Speaker 1>both sides, although I don't believe for a second that

1019
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:31.679
<v Speaker 1>either any of the elections in recent times were actually stolen.

1020
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:36.199
<v Speaker 1>I mean, she canery, yes, did the Russians try to interfere? Well,

1021
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:38.920
<v Speaker 1>I do read Bob Muller's report, and Bob Muller's the

1022
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:40.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of guy who was there to protect the system

1023
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:44.400
<v Speaker 1>regardless of a political flag, And what he said is, yeah,

1024
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:46.800
<v Speaker 1>the Russians tried to interfere, but we can't prove that

1025
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:50.119
<v Speaker 1>Trump was directly knowledgeable of it or as people were.

1026
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:53.199
<v Speaker 1>That's the ultimate thing. But it's not a complete fake.

1027
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:56.519
<v Speaker 1>The Russians trying to interfere in our elections, We're trying

1028
00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:58.400
<v Speaker 1>to manipulate, you know, social.

1029
00:53:58.039 --> 00:53:59.320
<v Speaker 2>Constructs here in America.

1030
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Almost be like, you know what malpractice on the KGB

1031
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:06.199
<v Speaker 1>and gru's.

1032
00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Part if they didn't do that.

1033
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:10.440
<v Speaker 1>So they are actively doing it, and they are actively

1034
00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:14.519
<v Speaker 1>trying to insert themselves into our political discourse at all times.

1035
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:18.320
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, we see it sometimes. And really, if you

1036
00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:20.760
<v Speaker 1>look at the rise of our team and the shifting

1037
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:23.880
<v Speaker 1>of the media about fifteen years ago and ten years

1038
00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:27.800
<v Speaker 1>ago especially, you know that there was a propaganda and

1039
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:31.920
<v Speaker 1>a you know, any sort of a dark and yet

1040
00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:36.599
<v Speaker 1>direct campaign to run a PSI off on the American

1041
00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:40.360
<v Speaker 1>people and it was done quite skillfully. But you know,

1042
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:42.880
<v Speaker 1>did Trump benefit, Yes, But can you prove that he

1043
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:46.280
<v Speaker 1>was culpable or criminally liable for it? There's another issue,

1044
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:49.360
<v Speaker 1>But it's not a complete faith either. So you know,

1045
00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:52.320
<v Speaker 1>you gotta look at these things from moral angles to

1046
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:52.960
<v Speaker 1>get the truth.

1047
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:54.199
<v Speaker 2>And yet, like I.

1048
00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:58.079
<v Speaker 1>Said, the immediate response is there to get people to react,

1049
00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:01.280
<v Speaker 1>not to inform them. And that's the key here with this,

1050
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:03.719
<v Speaker 1>with his cable news and these different outlets that.

1051
00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Have risen up, and take a look at it. Look

1052
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:06.360
<v Speaker 2>at what's risen up.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, in the past ten years, I mean Newsmax

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<v Speaker 1>was what a YouTube channel. In my mind, it was nothing.

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00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:14.519
<v Speaker 1>You know, Ruddy's organization over there.

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00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:16.559
<v Speaker 2>Now it's an entity. You know.

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00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:19.960
<v Speaker 1>You have Oann, you have the Rise of the Epoch times.

1058
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:23.920
<v Speaker 1>You have, like I said, Ruper Murdoch consistently, though, has

1059
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:27.559
<v Speaker 1>run his propaganda outlet exactly down the line, even when

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00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:30.199
<v Speaker 1>he discarded a guy like Bill O'Reilly, who I used

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00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:31.559
<v Speaker 1>to religiously.

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00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:32.599
<v Speaker 2>Watch by the way, you know.

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00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:34.719
<v Speaker 1>And that's the other thing that people get this idea

1064
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:36.840
<v Speaker 1>that I'm some kind of liberal now because it sounds

1065
00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:39.159
<v Speaker 1>like I'm being hostile to trumble. But I think you

1066
00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:42.159
<v Speaker 1>recognize where I'm coming from, even if you disagree with it.

1067
00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:44.880
<v Speaker 1>And that's because you're actually hearing what I say. And

1068
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:47.800
<v Speaker 1>there is the key problem with the witch hunts and

1069
00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:52.039
<v Speaker 1>how they're informed and how they're motivated. So you know,

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00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:55.639
<v Speaker 1>let's get back to that, all right and talk about it.

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00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Because Donald Trump is being demonized and I think he's reveling.

1072
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:02.639
<v Speaker 1>You know, I used to be a fan of Oziospores,

1073
00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:05.519
<v Speaker 1>and he revels in the fact that he was the

1074
00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:07.800
<v Speaker 1>bad guy. He was, you know, the devil's work was

1075
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:10.719
<v Speaker 1>the Prince of Darkness. That was part of his marketing.

1076
00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:13.079
<v Speaker 1>And really that's not the kind of guy he was

1077
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:16.119
<v Speaker 1>in He was actually a down to earth guy, John Osbourne.

1078
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:17.639
<v Speaker 1>He wanted to take care of his family, and he

1079
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:20.760
<v Speaker 1>had his problems against health issues, and he had mental

1080
00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:23.599
<v Speaker 1>issues and everything else. And he was an artist, that's

1081
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:25.840
<v Speaker 1>all he really was. But he was made out to

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00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:29.880
<v Speaker 1>be something else. Even although Rivera, who's another interesting study,

1083
00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:33.000
<v Speaker 1>and how the media is, you know, not one thing,

1084
00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:34.360
<v Speaker 1>even if you think you know.

1085
00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Who the political operative is, or although Riverta is a.

1086
00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Great example of yeah, try and tell me where he's

1087
00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:44.360
<v Speaker 1>really coming from. Okay, And like Howard Stern in the equation,

1088
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:46.679
<v Speaker 1>which by the way, has been popular as far as

1089
00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:50.480
<v Speaker 1>dragging out clips of Donald Trump, because hey, that's what

1090
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:53.599
<v Speaker 1>the Howard Stern Show does. Show you dirt, and you're

1091
00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:56.119
<v Speaker 1>supposed to, you know, hear things that you're not supposed

1092
00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:56.840
<v Speaker 1>to hear on him.

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00:56:57.039 --> 00:56:58.480
<v Speaker 2>So that's why you got what you got.

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00:56:58.559 --> 00:56:58.719
<v Speaker 8>There.

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00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:02.199
<v Speaker 2>Although it is weird some of the stuff the Trump.

1096
00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:04.880
<v Speaker 1>Said on there, but hey, go back through anybody's interviews

1097
00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:07.480
<v Speaker 1>on there, you'll find it unless they were very very careful.

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00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:08.679
<v Speaker 4>I mean, even O. J.

1099
00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:11.320
<v Speaker 1>Simpson previous to the murder trial. You take a listen

1100
00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:13.679
<v Speaker 1>to that interview. It's kind of creepy.

1101
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:17.559
<v Speaker 2>What Howard Stern has a talent for.

1102
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Getting people to voluntarily spit out on the show.

1103
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:23.159
<v Speaker 2>So that's why he needed to make anyway.

1104
00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:25.920
<v Speaker 1>And you might have different opinions on all of this,

1105
00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:28.960
<v Speaker 1>but I think the media landscape, even the people that

1106
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:34.239
<v Speaker 1>are analyzing and criticizable or oversimplified what it is, they're

1107
00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:38.559
<v Speaker 1>looking at strategically because I say again, Donald Trump effectively

1108
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:41.960
<v Speaker 1>saved a lot of the news organizations that he now

1109
00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:46.440
<v Speaker 1>says are the enemy within. He saved that. He gave

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00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:51.599
<v Speaker 1>them the content directly. He's a content generator. Even when

1111
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:53.239
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't in office, he was.

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00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:54.519
<v Speaker 2>A content generator.

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00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:59.960
<v Speaker 1>And previously is you know, expansious into the world of polity.

1114
00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:03.360
<v Speaker 1>He was a content generator, whether it was on lifestyles

1115
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:06.000
<v Speaker 1>of the rich and famous, or he was involved in

1116
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:09.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, some small scandal or you know, and notice

1117
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:12.320
<v Speaker 1>I haven't even gone into Jeffrey Epstein, which you know,

1118
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:16.199
<v Speaker 1>by the way, is the ubiquitous problem and is representative

1119
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:19.280
<v Speaker 1>of a larger ubiquitous problem. But you and I might

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00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:21.000
<v Speaker 1>have to have that discussion another.

1121
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:23.679
<v Speaker 2>Day, so please continue on.

1122
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:26.840
<v Speaker 1>But you do recognize what I'm saying about this media

1123
00:58:26.920 --> 00:58:30.519
<v Speaker 1>landscape not necessarily bring the black and white world that

1124
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:32.360
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people want to make it into. Or

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00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:34.320
<v Speaker 1>do you think I'm out of line with wor.

1126
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:35.960
<v Speaker 2>No.

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00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:37.639
<v Speaker 5>I think you're right, and I think you hit on

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00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:41.000
<v Speaker 5>a point that's also in the book about how the

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00:58:41.079 --> 00:58:45.519
<v Speaker 5>media has changed. I think you know, you mentioned some

1130
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:49.599
<v Speaker 5>of those networks, but it's also we have now, we have.

1131
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:52.320
<v Speaker 6>Blogs, we have podcasts.

1132
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:57.400
<v Speaker 5>You know, we have You know how Joe Rogan influenced

1133
00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:01.960
<v Speaker 5>the election more than most journalists the last election, or

1134
00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:04.079
<v Speaker 5>at least he's getting credit for it when Trump went

1135
00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:08.599
<v Speaker 5>on there. And I think now people are getting their information,

1136
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:11.840
<v Speaker 5>whether it's news or not, in many different ways.

1137
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:15.840
<v Speaker 6>And you know Trump has played into that.

1138
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:19.719
<v Speaker 5>He may have saved those legacy media I call him

1139
00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:22.719
<v Speaker 5>the den media, but it's the same thing.

1140
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:25.599
<v Speaker 6>He may have saved them as temporary.

1141
00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:28.320
<v Speaker 5>I think you know the numbers are down for those

1142
00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:30.559
<v Speaker 5>networks they have trouble.

1143
00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:34.000
<v Speaker 6>They have much more competition, even with streaming, you know,

1144
00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:35.079
<v Speaker 6>for other choices.

1145
00:59:35.239 --> 00:59:39.039
<v Speaker 5>We even look at the late night programs, you know,

1146
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:41.760
<v Speaker 5>the Tonight Show and well now we're going to have

1147
00:59:41.800 --> 00:59:46.159
<v Speaker 5>one last with Colbert leven and May. But those shows

1148
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:51.079
<v Speaker 5>became much more one sided politically, and I don't know

1149
00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:53.079
<v Speaker 5>if that's the reason they're going. I think that might

1150
00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:56.119
<v Speaker 5>be part of it. The other reason is, you know,

1151
00:59:56.159 --> 00:59:58.280
<v Speaker 5>it might be all tied together. I could tell you

1152
00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:01.360
<v Speaker 5>from my own experience. I didn't find it funny, so

1153
01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:05.760
<v Speaker 5>I find something else to watch at that time, and

1154
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:07.760
<v Speaker 5>that's I suspect a lot of.

1155
01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:10.599
<v Speaker 6>People do that. I don't have any hard data and

1156
01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:14.960
<v Speaker 6>that except that they've lost you know, viewers. And you know,

1157
01:00:15.079 --> 01:00:17.039
<v Speaker 6>part of that I think is Trump.

1158
01:00:18.159 --> 01:00:21.320
<v Speaker 1>No, it's absolutely Trump, and he led the way here

1159
01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:23.440
<v Speaker 1>and now I'm going to tell you what he actually

1160
01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:27.079
<v Speaker 1>set up to continue. Yes, indeed, you know, broadcast media

1161
01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:30.920
<v Speaker 1>in general is dying, and people showing up at five o'clock,

1162
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:33.599
<v Speaker 1>six o'clock, eight o'clock to catch their favorite shows is

1163
01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:37.239
<v Speaker 1>the thing in the past. So the dynamic, the interaction

1164
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:41.000
<v Speaker 1>the audience is so compartmentalized and set.

1165
01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:42.559
<v Speaker 2>Into so many different directions.

1166
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:46.559
<v Speaker 1>Okay, it's it's gone way beyond the five hundred channels

1167
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:48.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm paying for and I've only.

1168
01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:51.559
<v Speaker 2>Watched four of them. It's in a whole other arena now.

1169
01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:54.760
<v Speaker 2>And I think what he's set up and set in.

1170
01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:58.400
<v Speaker 1>The Motion is the new media landscape which is represented

1171
01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:01.559
<v Speaker 1>by Joe Rogan. I don't even find Joe Rogan funny,

1172
01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:03.960
<v Speaker 1>and I don't even find his interviews interesting most of

1173
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:06.760
<v Speaker 1>the time. I got to tell you, they're not very revealing,

1174
01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:09.760
<v Speaker 1>they're not very unique, and quite frankly, I think he's

1175
01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:14.320
<v Speaker 1>been given a privileged position in media. You know, somehow

1176
01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:16.920
<v Speaker 1>this guy is magically the most popular thing in the world,

1177
01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:20.119
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think he's done anything of relevant since

1178
01:01:20.119 --> 01:01:21.119
<v Speaker 1>he did Fear Factor.

1179
01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:25.320
<v Speaker 2>The guy is not interesting to make. But here's the thing.

1180
01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:27.559
<v Speaker 1>No matter who you are, whether you want to live

1181
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:31.079
<v Speaker 1>on YouTube or you want to find your favorite podcast, Okay,

1182
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:32.880
<v Speaker 1>if you're you know, listening to one of the other

1183
01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:35.599
<v Speaker 1>great you know podcasts of the day, or you're involved

1184
01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:38.320
<v Speaker 1>in the streaming thing where you have your shows you know,

1185
01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:41.800
<v Speaker 1>delivered to you on demand all the time, this is

1186
01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:43.000
<v Speaker 1>the new media reality.

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01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:45.320
<v Speaker 3>And I think he said it in Motion. Why do I

1188
01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:48.039
<v Speaker 3>say that we can see it directly. Like I brought

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01:01:48.119 --> 01:01:49.119
<v Speaker 3>up Bill O'Reilly early.

1190
01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Now he has his own platform.

1191
01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:52.760
<v Speaker 4>Okay, what happened They.

1192
01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:54.440
<v Speaker 3>Got rid of Chris Cuomo. He went over to the

1193
01:01:54.519 --> 01:01:58.679
<v Speaker 3>Christian Christian Nation station. But eventually I'm pretty sure he'll

1194
01:01:58.719 --> 01:01:59.360
<v Speaker 3>be independent.

1195
01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:02.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, the guys like Tucker Carlson, who you know,

1196
01:02:02.840 --> 01:02:04.159
<v Speaker 1>regardless of what people think of.

1197
01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:07.480
<v Speaker 2>His background, has served in every type of flavor.

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01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:10.199
<v Speaker 3>Of media as if he knows that it's all about

1199
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:13.239
<v Speaker 3>the corporatism as opposed to any other ism. And he's

1200
01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:15.639
<v Speaker 3>supposed to be a conservative and now he's taking on

1201
01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:18.840
<v Speaker 3>trying to be the hero of the alternative media when

1202
01:02:18.880 --> 01:02:22.199
<v Speaker 3>this guy's been a corporate media guy his entire career.

1203
01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:27.119
<v Speaker 1>But these guys, slowly but surely, look at what they're doing. Colbert, indeed,

1204
01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I think, is going to reboot himself as.

1205
01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:33.480
<v Speaker 2>The old you know, Colbert Rapport character and go out.

1206
01:02:33.320 --> 01:02:37.000
<v Speaker 1>There and be the conservative mockery again because it'll seem

1207
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:41.880
<v Speaker 1>press in this current era. Okay. And that's where we're at,

1208
01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:44.800
<v Speaker 1>is that this is now going to become a compartmentalized

1209
01:02:44.840 --> 01:02:48.960
<v Speaker 1>thing where instead of the massive corporation being represented in

1210
01:02:49.159 --> 01:02:52.519
<v Speaker 1>one you know, chunk in one channel, you're gonna have

1211
01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:54.639
<v Speaker 1>these guys who are going to cooperate.

1212
01:02:54.199 --> 01:02:56.360
<v Speaker 2>And appear to be independent, and.

1213
01:02:56.280 --> 01:02:58.360
<v Speaker 3>They're gonna be out there on their own because that's

1214
01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:03.079
<v Speaker 3>what the market demands, a mentalized, personalized thing where you

1215
01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:05.360
<v Speaker 3>know what, instead of just yelling at Don you know,

1216
01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:08.639
<v Speaker 3>Don Lemon on Twitter and yelling at your TV, you

1217
01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:10.920
<v Speaker 3>now can go to this chat room on YouTube but

1218
01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:13.639
<v Speaker 3>he streams and directly comment at him and he might

1219
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:17.960
<v Speaker 3>read it directly file yes, yeah, and.

1220
01:03:17.920 --> 01:03:18.800
<v Speaker 2>It's more direct.

1221
01:03:18.840 --> 01:03:21.360
<v Speaker 3>And like I said, Bill O'Reilly's done it. These other

1222
01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:23.760
<v Speaker 3>guys that have been demonized for one reason or another

1223
01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:26.920
<v Speaker 3>or you know, gotten acquired allegedly, they move on to

1224
01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:29.960
<v Speaker 3>other careers and they do it in a different way,

1225
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:32.760
<v Speaker 3>and they still exist and they continue on and I

1226
01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:36.960
<v Speaker 3>still see that they get you know, preferential treatment one.

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01:03:36.760 --> 01:03:39.840
<v Speaker 4>Way or another. Okay, I mean even look at the guy.

1228
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:40.840
<v Speaker 2>Who on Fox.

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01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:44.039
<v Speaker 3>I found that amazing that a guy said that we should,

1230
01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:49.079
<v Speaker 3>you know, voluntarily you know, give lethal injections, involuntarily excuse me.

1231
01:03:49.119 --> 01:03:50.119
<v Speaker 2>Give lethal injections.

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01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:52.800
<v Speaker 3>Almost people the clear of that problem. You know, you

1233
01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:54.800
<v Speaker 3>would have thought there would have been outrage and this

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01:03:54.800 --> 01:03:56.199
<v Speaker 3>guy would have gotten channed.

1235
01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:59.679
<v Speaker 4>Over that, you know what, Okay, let me give.

1236
01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:00.880
<v Speaker 2>A disant jet apology.

1237
01:04:01.039 --> 01:04:01.440
<v Speaker 4>Moving on.

1238
01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:05.480
<v Speaker 2>That's not against what it is they're doing at Box.

1239
01:04:05.559 --> 01:04:07.079
<v Speaker 4>And trust me, that might be a guy.

1240
01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:09.320
<v Speaker 3>Who eventually is you know, kicked out or removed or

1241
01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:12.719
<v Speaker 3>whatever controversy, and they will find a way to give

1242
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:13.960
<v Speaker 3>him another slot.

1243
01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Somewhere else where he's allegedly independent.

1244
01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:17.599
<v Speaker 4>You know. Even the world.

1245
01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Watch Jones is interesting here because this was a guy

1246
01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:23.519
<v Speaker 1>was on Access TV, came from the bottom where he

1247
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:25.559
<v Speaker 1>was paying to air his shows.

1248
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Right, and then he got involved with radio and.

1249
01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:29.800
<v Speaker 3>He's part of Genesis and this and that and in

1250
01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:32.719
<v Speaker 3>pult War certain you're up the triple the screen buying.

1251
01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:35.039
<v Speaker 4>My stomach, uh, you know, and I knew.

1252
01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:35.679
<v Speaker 2>People work with them.

1253
01:04:36.679 --> 01:04:42.920
<v Speaker 1>And he transitioned from ringe nothing okay to magically a

1254
01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:46.559
<v Speaker 1>completely mainstream guy who's still screaming that he's not mainstream.

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01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:49.199
<v Speaker 1>And that's the funny thing because if you remember Fox

1256
01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:54.360
<v Speaker 1>News in its earlier incarnation, they were saying we're not

1257
01:04:54.440 --> 01:04:58.960
<v Speaker 1>the mainstream media, yet are the mainstream media And they

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01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:02.280
<v Speaker 1>even carry a see media name by calling themselves Fox.

1259
01:05:03.199 --> 01:05:05.599
<v Speaker 2>And it was assembled piece by piece.

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01:05:05.360 --> 01:05:07.079
<v Speaker 4>By Rupert Murdoch who went around and.

1261
01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:10.440
<v Speaker 3>Bought independent TV channels all over the country so that

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<v Speaker 3>he created.

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<v Speaker 2>A brand new network.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, when you see this and then you

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<v Speaker 1>see these transitions and handoffs between these different entities that

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<v Speaker 1>now deliver it in a different package, I think you're

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01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:23.719
<v Speaker 1>just seeing, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, podcasts not too long ago, we're laughable.

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<v Speaker 3>A blog was like, oh god, why don't you to

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<v Speaker 3>scream at the wood at the wall because you're not.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to be read by anybody, You're not gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>hurt by anybody. And now it's becoming what the new

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<v Speaker 1>actual standard need.

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<v Speaker 2>These things are transition, right, and you know, so the but.

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<v Speaker 3>Yet the corporate thing remains in play because who backs

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01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:51.079
<v Speaker 3>it at the end of the day, who's actually you know,

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01:05:51.239 --> 01:05:54.599
<v Speaker 3>conglomerating these things? Okay, now part of this podcast network,

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01:05:54.920 --> 01:05:58.519
<v Speaker 3>and it gives strength to something like iHeart Radio, which

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01:05:58.599 --> 01:06:00.159
<v Speaker 3>now owns you on.

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01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Any like radio station's iHeart Radio owns. And how many

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<v Speaker 1>podcasts outlets they own.

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01:06:06.039 --> 01:06:06.679
<v Speaker 2>They're huge.

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01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:09.880
<v Speaker 3>And what was I you know, not too long ago,

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<v Speaker 3>you know nothing, It was like it's sort of like

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01:06:13.079 --> 01:06:16.800
<v Speaker 3>jet Jet Peso says one of the largest you know, entities.

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<v Speaker 2>On the planet.

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<v Speaker 1>And meanwhile, it was a bookseller in my lifetime. I

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01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:23.199
<v Speaker 1>remember it in the nineties.

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01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:24.599
<v Speaker 3>It was like, oh, you want to buy a book,

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01:06:24.639 --> 01:06:27.320
<v Speaker 3>go to Amazon and maybe they'll sell you some CDs.

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<v Speaker 4>And that was it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just an outing for that stuff. And now

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<v Speaker 2>what is That's what we're seeing is a shift of

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<v Speaker 2>the technology and.

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01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:41.320
<v Speaker 1>The delivery and an audience that is demanding something that

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely is custom made by them, they think, but it's

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01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:48.320
<v Speaker 1>really just then wring off the slightly different venue than

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<v Speaker 1>what they used to have.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you think of that?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think it's a it's a good point.

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<v Speaker 5>I think also, you know, you leave out X with

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01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:05.719
<v Speaker 5>Elon Musk, him him purchasing uh what was Twitter?

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01:07:06.400 --> 01:07:08.360
<v Speaker 6>And then I think he declared we are.

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<v Speaker 5>The media now and you know in some ways, yes,

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01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:15.960
<v Speaker 5>you can put you know, links and you know there's

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01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:18.280
<v Speaker 5>certainly something there's some power there.

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<v Speaker 6>Social media is a part we haven'tone really touched. Only

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<v Speaker 6>it's uh.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what you make a great point about muscle.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you about.

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<v Speaker 1>That, because you know, Elon muss is not just running

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01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:31.159
<v Speaker 1>Twitter like it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It's now X, which by the way, is a standard thing.

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01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:35.880
<v Speaker 3>He slaps an X on everything that he decides to

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<v Speaker 3>take ownership. That's the standard thing X when he was

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01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:40.760
<v Speaker 3>involved in it.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, that's actually X. You can broadcast on X live.

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<v Speaker 6>You know this right, yeah, yeah.

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01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:53.119
<v Speaker 1>You effectively a channel on there where you're a podcast

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01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:54.519
<v Speaker 1>and broadcast outlet.

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01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:57.440
<v Speaker 2>You have the ability to publicize.

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01:07:56.800 --> 01:07:59.239
<v Speaker 4>That outlet right there, You have the ability to.

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01:07:59.320 --> 01:08:03.400
<v Speaker 1>Process, you can literally upload accessible videos into.

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01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:05.480
<v Speaker 2>There and communicate with other people.

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01:08:05.559 --> 01:08:09.800
<v Speaker 3>He's actually taking that platform and created guests a catch all.

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<v Speaker 3>All he needs now is something like the communication issue

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01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:14.400
<v Speaker 3>we had where.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, we have an automatic get together and.

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01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:19.079
<v Speaker 6>It doesn't have to be really yes, like, all he needs.

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01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:22.279
<v Speaker 3>Is a private communications set up, which he already has

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01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:23.800
<v Speaker 3>at his disposal.

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01:08:23.239 --> 01:08:24.079
<v Speaker 4>Because of Star Like.

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01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:26.720
<v Speaker 2>He can make X into an.

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01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:31.039
<v Speaker 1>All in one media experience, whether you're producing it or

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01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:34.560
<v Speaker 1>you're selling it to people or you're actually decided to

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01:08:35.039 --> 01:08:35.279
<v Speaker 1>you know.

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01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:36.479
<v Speaker 2>Just just watch it.

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01:08:37.079 --> 01:08:40.520
<v Speaker 3>You have everything with the exception of a streaming. I

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01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:42.039
<v Speaker 3>mean that I can see so far.

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<v Speaker 2>So he is doing that and that's where that was going.

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01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:50.119
<v Speaker 1>And meanwhile, Facebook, you know it's not original because Facebook,

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01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:53.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, Meta is doing the same thing slightly less successful.

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01:08:53.960 --> 01:08:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Is still existing, and a lot of these other platforms

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01:08:56.720 --> 01:08:58.159
<v Speaker 1>are becoming multipurpose.

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01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:01.079
<v Speaker 2>So this makes sense ball because if you put it.

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01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:05.439
<v Speaker 1>Together with that independent now or the illusion of independence

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01:09:05.439 --> 01:09:08.600
<v Speaker 1>from these people are cast offs from the legacy media.

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01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Guess what, Betry Wise, who was a blogger, is now.

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01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Going to be running CBS News, right, I mean basically, yeah,

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01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:20.840
<v Speaker 1>I see, And well that's quite an evolution and a switch.

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01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:23.960
<v Speaker 1>So somebody who was you know, in a different decade,

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01:09:23.960 --> 01:09:25.960
<v Speaker 1>would have been seen as a loser blogger that you

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01:09:25.960 --> 01:09:29.760
<v Speaker 1>know only your mother or cat's read, is now a

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01:09:29.880 --> 01:09:36.000
<v Speaker 1>major media organization and deliver your ub Okay, So I

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01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:39.760
<v Speaker 1>mean recognize this too, right, I mean this is a

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01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:41.920
<v Speaker 1>different world, Dennis.

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01:09:42.079 --> 01:09:43.520
<v Speaker 4>I mean you gotta agree to that at.

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<v Speaker 2>Least, right.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, oh absolutely, Technology, like you said, it's it's uh,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, fractured or you have so many different

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01:09:56.199 --> 01:09:57.840
<v Speaker 5>outlets for information.

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<v Speaker 6>Maybe I think it's could.

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<v Speaker 5>Actually be good honestly, but you know, there's also the

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01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:08.560
<v Speaker 5>downside of it. Right now, when you when you look

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<v Speaker 5>at anything, or I find myself doing it.

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01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:11.920
<v Speaker 6>I don't know how many people do this.

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01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:15.000
<v Speaker 5>I'll read a story and it's incomplete and I have

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<v Speaker 5>to now go do research. I'm the researcher for the media,

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<v Speaker 5>just to see what's true what's not.

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<v Speaker 6>And I shouldn't have to do that.

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<v Speaker 5>I should be able to pick up the Chicago Tribune

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<v Speaker 5>here and get a story that's not biased or that's

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01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:30.960
<v Speaker 5>at least complete.

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<v Speaker 6>They're neither.

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01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:35.880
<v Speaker 5>They're biased and incomplete, and I have to go and

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01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:38.800
<v Speaker 5>look for the you know, real story behind.

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<v Speaker 6>It, which I don't want to do. Really, we're not

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01:10:41.640 --> 01:10:42.079
<v Speaker 6>to have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know what, that's another thing that's coming around.

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<v Speaker 3>I almost any corporate sponsor. I don't have any corporate sponsors,

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01:10:54.199 --> 01:10:55.119
<v Speaker 3>so only.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is.

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<v Speaker 4>That with that model?

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01:11:02.479 --> 01:11:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Though I saw something called round News. You ever heard

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01:11:04.920 --> 01:11:05.079
<v Speaker 2>of it?

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01:11:07.119 --> 01:11:08.880
<v Speaker 6>No, I don't think so, okay.

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01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:09.760
<v Speaker 2>So ground News.

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01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:12.520
<v Speaker 3>I was going to actually sign The Great Movie with them,

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01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:15.000
<v Speaker 3>and then I just I had to debate for like

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01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:17.239
<v Speaker 3>three months, and I was gonna use them as a.

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01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:18.399
<v Speaker 2>Sponsor and everything else.

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01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:22.039
<v Speaker 3>But I can't do it because you know, corporations inevitably

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01:11:22.800 --> 01:11:26.319
<v Speaker 3>exert influence over the people they're working with, and that's

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01:11:26.359 --> 01:11:28.079
<v Speaker 3>been the problem with this kind of media.

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01:11:28.119 --> 01:11:30.760
<v Speaker 2>If you're really independent, you avoid that.

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<v Speaker 3>But these guys, if you ever take into it, they're

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01:11:33.199 --> 01:11:37.159
<v Speaker 3>all you know, still corporate supported. Okay, even the leged independence,

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01:11:37.239 --> 01:11:40.840
<v Speaker 3>even the pariahs like Bill O'Reilly are still corporate supported.

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01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:43.720
<v Speaker 2>But I am not okay, and that makes me pretty rare.

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01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:47.720
<v Speaker 3>The thing is the ground news turns around and is

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01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:50.159
<v Speaker 3>an aggregator and swords for you.

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01:11:50.439 --> 01:11:53.039
<v Speaker 2>Here's the left wing bias, here's the right wing bias.

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01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:56.079
<v Speaker 2>Here is the you know, nearly non.

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01:11:55.960 --> 01:11:58.399
<v Speaker 3>Biased news right and they'll collect it on a story

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01:11:58.479 --> 01:12:01.520
<v Speaker 3>like you asked about, I don't know, pick a news

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01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:05.119
<v Speaker 3>story for the past, you know, recent hours of okay,

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01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:06.880
<v Speaker 3>cease fire, okay.

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01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Palestine Israel.

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01:12:08.359 --> 01:12:11.560
<v Speaker 1>It'll sort and show you where the spin is, where

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01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:14.119
<v Speaker 1>they're consistently kind of you know, going on the same

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01:12:14.199 --> 01:12:17.720
<v Speaker 1>line and everything else, and begin to sort the general

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01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:21.600
<v Speaker 1>resources out there on the internet to tell you, look,

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01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:23.399
<v Speaker 1>these are the people that are slanted, These are the

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01:12:23.399 --> 01:12:26.279
<v Speaker 1>people that are mount pieces for the government, these are

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<v Speaker 1>the people, et cetera.

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01:12:28.119 --> 01:12:29.079
<v Speaker 6>They actually do that.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm again I'm not being paid, okay, but I

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01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:36.640
<v Speaker 3>almost signed a thing with them to get paid for

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01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:38.199
<v Speaker 3>explaining this, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have to do at every show.

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01:12:39.520 --> 01:12:41.560
<v Speaker 4>And again, like I said, I can't sign.

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01:12:41.319 --> 01:12:44.600
<v Speaker 2>The corporate sponsors. It's just against my against my brain.

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<v Speaker 3>But the thing is I did consider it because their

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01:12:47.800 --> 01:12:50.920
<v Speaker 3>work and what they seem to be doing is exactly

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01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:52.399
<v Speaker 3>the answer to what you're talking about.

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01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:55.319
<v Speaker 2>We are cable of absorting.

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01:12:54.680 --> 01:12:55.760
<v Speaker 4>This one way or another.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't have to get lost in the you know,

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01:12:59.159 --> 01:13:02.359
<v Speaker 3>see of property and what crazy people like you and me.

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01:13:02.439 --> 01:13:04.079
<v Speaker 2>And here's where I'm gonna put you in the same.

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01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:06.520
<v Speaker 3>Boat with me, like it or not, you know, crazy

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01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:10.039
<v Speaker 3>what human me might actually try to facts? You know,

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01:13:10.159 --> 01:13:14.239
<v Speaker 3>like I realize when I see a story of police interaction, right,

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01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:16.960
<v Speaker 3>somebody gets shot, somebody gets killed, there's a car accident,

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01:13:17.239 --> 01:13:18.720
<v Speaker 3>and it was in a police interaction.

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<v Speaker 2>I know of the majority of what I'm gonna read

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01:13:22.399 --> 01:13:26.479
<v Speaker 2>came from the public information officers email, because.

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01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:28.960
<v Speaker 1>That's who puts it out there, okay, and actually gets

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01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:30.880
<v Speaker 1>the story out And you can see.

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01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:32.600
<v Speaker 2>It right away in the reporting where they're like, the.

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01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:36.439
<v Speaker 1>Police said, the police told us this, and then they'll

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01:13:36.439 --> 01:13:38.840
<v Speaker 1>say a bunch of other things, but it's all.

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01:13:38.760 --> 01:13:39.840
<v Speaker 2>From one source.

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01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:42.880
<v Speaker 3>They don't go and get a witness anymore, and they

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01:13:42.880 --> 01:13:43.960
<v Speaker 3>don't try and talk to.

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01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:45.600
<v Speaker 2>The person who's involved anymore.

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01:13:46.119 --> 01:13:46.560
<v Speaker 4>None of that.

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01:13:46.920 --> 01:13:49.760
<v Speaker 2>So what will I do, crazy person? I am try

1449
01:13:49.800 --> 01:13:52.239
<v Speaker 2>and reach out to people that might be in proximity. Hey,

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01:13:52.279 --> 01:13:55.039
<v Speaker 2>what is this area of town? Like? What actually happened?

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01:13:55.279 --> 01:13:58.560
<v Speaker 2>What were people saying locally? What was seen is there?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? I do like that personal as much as

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01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:04.359
<v Speaker 2>I can, I reach out, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Make home falls, not just to the cops, you know,

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01:14:07.439 --> 01:14:09.520
<v Speaker 3>I take their side of the story, yes, but.

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01:14:09.439 --> 01:14:10.800
<v Speaker 4>Then I look at the other stuff.

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01:14:10.840 --> 01:14:12.920
<v Speaker 1>And you know what, when you do that, you get

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01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:17.199
<v Speaker 1>a completely different view from almost anything that's being published

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01:14:17.239 --> 01:14:20.920
<v Speaker 1>out there, whether the reporter is lazy or biased or not.

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01:14:21.960 --> 01:14:24.960
<v Speaker 2>You can find information on your own. Who wants to

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01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:27.800
<v Speaker 2>take all that time if you're not being paid.

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01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:32.760
<v Speaker 1>To investigate everything? So right, there's gotta be more tools

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01:14:32.760 --> 01:14:33.920
<v Speaker 1>that will be developed here.

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<v Speaker 3>But that ground news thing is, even if it's not

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01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:39.000
<v Speaker 3>the endgame, it is a great idea.

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01:14:39.079 --> 01:14:41.439
<v Speaker 2>And I think something that could be out of the people's.

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<v Speaker 3>Toolbox is where we aggregate these things together and recognize see.

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<v Speaker 4>And that was the core. But what I was talking

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<v Speaker 4>about on.

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<v Speaker 3>That show that night is that if you and you

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<v Speaker 3>begin to compare these things, you'll see a consistency.

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<v Speaker 2>A pattern of behavior and human.

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<v Speaker 3>Beings are you know, our mindsets, no matter how you

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01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:02.920
<v Speaker 3>want to argue or what you believe about psychology, because

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<v Speaker 3>it is a pseudoscience.

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<v Speaker 4>In my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing is, you do have the capability and built

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01:15:08.399 --> 01:15:11.319
<v Speaker 1>into you is something called the ability to.

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01:15:11.039 --> 01:15:15.199
<v Speaker 2>Do pattern recognition, and you'll see the pattern to merge.

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<v Speaker 3>And there is no reason in the world that the

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01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:20.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, newscaster in Des Moines is telling you the

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01:15:20.319 --> 01:15:21.399
<v Speaker 3>same thing as the guy.

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01:15:21.279 --> 01:15:22.680
<v Speaker 4>In Chicago is telling you.

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01:15:22.640 --> 01:15:25.720
<v Speaker 3>The same thing as the guy in la unless they're

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01:15:25.760 --> 01:15:29.000
<v Speaker 3>working off the same source and practically the same script,

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01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:32.399
<v Speaker 3>especially when they were words. And it goes well beyond

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01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:35.960
<v Speaker 3>the Sinclair you know conglomerate where they have and that's

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01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:38.800
<v Speaker 3>another thing that argues against that old liberal media thing,

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01:15:39.159 --> 01:15:42.960
<v Speaker 3>not because Sinclair is a is a conservative outlet, but.

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01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:46.520
<v Speaker 4>Here you go. They own every kind of alphabet, you.

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01:15:46.439 --> 01:15:49.479
<v Speaker 2>Know, a type of network broadcaster out there.

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01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:51.720
<v Speaker 4>They put them together and they still.

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01:15:51.560 --> 01:15:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Be the same scripts. Throw so your legs liberal.

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01:15:55.119 --> 01:15:58.399
<v Speaker 1>You know, NBC is reading the same script that a

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01:15:58.479 --> 01:16:01.399
<v Speaker 1>more conservative at one time that scene is more conservative.

1496
01:16:01.479 --> 01:16:04.880
<v Speaker 1>CBS is reading the same script because they have the

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01:16:04.920 --> 01:16:09.119
<v Speaker 1>same corporate overlord, even though they still carry the different letters.

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01:16:09.239 --> 01:16:12.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you got to realize this is no longer

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01:16:12.720 --> 01:16:16.479
<v Speaker 2>a come to dry black and white situation. And another

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01:16:16.520 --> 01:16:18.399
<v Speaker 2>thing we didn't touch on even is.

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01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:24.279
<v Speaker 1>The intelligence agencies and even the pentagons directed and intentional

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01:16:24.439 --> 01:16:27.199
<v Speaker 1>influence over those organizations too.

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01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:29.439
<v Speaker 2>And we've caught that time of time again.

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01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:31.680
<v Speaker 3>And I'm not even talking about just the mocking birds

1505
01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:33.760
<v Speaker 3>of the world or the fact that we had people

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01:16:33.800 --> 01:16:37.479
<v Speaker 3>admitting in the nineteen seventies during Coggression with investigations that yes,

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01:16:37.560 --> 01:16:38.560
<v Speaker 3>we actually.

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01:16:38.600 --> 01:16:40.840
<v Speaker 4>You know, embent people in our media in order.

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01:16:40.720 --> 01:16:41.439
<v Speaker 2>To influence it.

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01:16:41.560 --> 01:16:44.039
<v Speaker 3>And you know, hello, Cia, I thought you weren't supposed

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01:16:44.039 --> 01:16:45.680
<v Speaker 3>to operate domestically, but l.

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01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:51.000
<v Speaker 2>This is the reality, right. So my whole point is

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01:16:51.039 --> 01:16:52.159
<v Speaker 2>that I just I.

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01:16:52.119 --> 01:16:54.119
<v Speaker 1>Know I'm being one winded.

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01:16:53.880 --> 01:16:54.680
<v Speaker 2>And I'm saying a.

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01:16:54.600 --> 01:16:57.199
<v Speaker 4>Lot of stuff here, but I'm hoping that this.

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01:16:57.119 --> 01:16:59.720
<v Speaker 1>Is actually the beginning of a conversation between you and me,

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01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:05.199
<v Speaker 1>because I believe that we could objective these things and

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01:17:05.239 --> 01:17:08.720
<v Speaker 1>you could help me some of the confusions I have, and.

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01:17:08.720 --> 01:17:11.119
<v Speaker 2>Indeed I might give you a couple of new thoughts

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01:17:11.159 --> 01:17:12.960
<v Speaker 2>and a couple of new ways to look at these things.

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01:17:13.560 --> 01:17:17.520
<v Speaker 2>What do you think about that as far as you know, motivating.

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01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:18.119
<v Speaker 6>Yeah or two?

1524
01:17:18.159 --> 01:17:19.199
<v Speaker 2>On this? What do you think.

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01:17:20.680 --> 01:17:21.439
<v Speaker 1>I like it?

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01:17:21.479 --> 01:17:23.560
<v Speaker 5>I think it goes to your suggestion we might need

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01:17:23.600 --> 01:17:28.279
<v Speaker 5>to have another conversation, maybe several conversations, right right.

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01:17:28.600 --> 01:17:30.640
<v Speaker 3>And I know I'm taking up more of your time

1529
01:17:30.680 --> 01:17:32.560
<v Speaker 3>than I said I would, and I apologize for that,

1530
01:17:32.680 --> 01:17:36.239
<v Speaker 3>and also apologize for my small pack of dogs that are,

1531
01:17:36.279 --> 01:17:40.079
<v Speaker 3>you know, somewhere in my house making noise. I apologize hopefully,

1532
01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:44.119
<v Speaker 3>But you know, I am broadcasting from home on the

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01:17:44.119 --> 01:17:44.720
<v Speaker 3>low budget.

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01:17:44.800 --> 01:17:45.439
<v Speaker 4>So what do you want.

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01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:47.520
<v Speaker 1>I do have some sound proofing, but you know it

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01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:52.119
<v Speaker 1>doesn't kill everyone. Okay, sorry, anyway, here we are.

1537
01:17:52.159 --> 01:17:54.239
<v Speaker 2>But this is the real deal. Okay, this is the

1538
01:17:54.279 --> 01:17:55.199
<v Speaker 2>reality of things.

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01:17:56.359 --> 01:17:59.359
<v Speaker 4>And whether your name is Cuomo or you know your name.

1540
01:17:59.239 --> 01:18:01.039
<v Speaker 2>Is Lemon or whatever else.

1541
01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:04.199
<v Speaker 3>He came from the alleged left, or you know, you're

1542
01:18:04.239 --> 01:18:06.760
<v Speaker 3>one of the ultra conservative guys out there, or you're

1543
01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:09.479
<v Speaker 3>a really big ball of confusion like Carondo Rivera.

1544
01:18:10.199 --> 01:18:12.079
<v Speaker 2>I think media figures are all going to.

1545
01:18:12.119 --> 01:18:16.119
<v Speaker 1>Graduate into this podcast space one way or.

1546
01:18:16.039 --> 01:18:19.399
<v Speaker 3>Another if they are popular enough on their own, you know,

1547
01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:21.960
<v Speaker 3>like John Stewart is now, yeah he's back on the

1548
01:18:22.039 --> 01:18:24.319
<v Speaker 3>Daily Show and he's part of that corporate entity. But

1549
01:18:24.399 --> 01:18:27.399
<v Speaker 3>also guess what he's got the Weekly Show podcast on

1550
01:18:27.439 --> 01:18:32.319
<v Speaker 3>the side too, right, Yeah, Bill Maher an alleged leftist

1551
01:18:32.920 --> 01:18:35.600
<v Speaker 3>is and I do say alleged because I think he's

1552
01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:38.159
<v Speaker 3>you know, one of the most disingenuous, disconnected, you know

1553
01:18:38.680 --> 01:18:41.760
<v Speaker 3>millionaires who's out of the loop as far as reality goes.

1554
01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:43.720
<v Speaker 4>Anyway, Bill Maher, even though he.

1555
01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:45.720
<v Speaker 2>Did sit down with the President Trump and have dinner

1556
01:18:45.760 --> 01:18:47.079
<v Speaker 2>with him, which.

1557
01:18:46.920 --> 01:18:50.720
<v Speaker 3>I found strange also, But anyway, that guy right there

1558
01:18:50.920 --> 01:18:53.920
<v Speaker 3>is on HBO, one of the biggest corporate conglomerate run

1559
01:18:54.079 --> 01:18:57.359
<v Speaker 3>legacy media things on the planet, but also does what

1560
01:18:58.359 --> 01:18:59.960
<v Speaker 3>a podcast on the side.

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01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:02.079
<v Speaker 4>He goes, Oh, I don't care, we smoke bought on here.

1562
01:19:02.159 --> 01:19:05.479
<v Speaker 4>We're gonna be you know club I can't remember the name, but.

1563
01:19:05.439 --> 01:19:06.760
<v Speaker 2>It's Club something.

1564
01:19:07.960 --> 01:19:11.079
<v Speaker 1>Random show and he's like mister laid back and does

1565
01:19:11.119 --> 01:19:12.640
<v Speaker 1>single interviews there, right.

1566
01:19:13.159 --> 01:19:17.279
<v Speaker 2>So they're alleping into what was independent.

1567
01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:21.239
<v Speaker 1>Space and they are bringing their corporate you know backers

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01:19:21.239 --> 01:19:24.760
<v Speaker 1>with them in a covert way. So this you know,

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01:19:24.960 --> 01:19:28.880
<v Speaker 1>change in the media landscape and also supported by guys

1570
01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:31.960
<v Speaker 1>like you know, Elon Musk and the other you.

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01:19:31.920 --> 01:19:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Know elitist top richest people on the planet one way

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01:19:34.960 --> 01:19:38.479
<v Speaker 2>or another. Uh. This this is a big landscape.

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01:19:38.039 --> 01:19:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Where I think they're gonna pool you into believing again

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01:19:41.159 --> 01:19:42.560
<v Speaker 1>that you have an independent and.

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01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:45.279
<v Speaker 2>Impartial media, except now it's.

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01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Going to be on demand, custom made and scene as

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01:19:48.600 --> 01:19:50.840
<v Speaker 1>though it's really being legitimately done.

1578
01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:53.159
<v Speaker 2>Because this is a guy talking to me from his basement.

1579
01:19:53.239 --> 01:19:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Now you know, this is a guy Don Lemon talks

1580
01:19:55.800 --> 01:19:57.640
<v Speaker 1>to me from his attic studio.

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01:19:58.279 --> 01:20:01.640
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying. And the less polish is now.

1582
01:20:01.560 --> 01:20:03.880
<v Speaker 3>Going to be the truly polished when it comes to

1583
01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:06.800
<v Speaker 3>the new media and the deception. And I think that's

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01:20:06.840 --> 01:20:08.399
<v Speaker 3>the thing that we need to keep our hands up

1585
01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:11.960
<v Speaker 3>lot and remind ourselves about whether we're dealing with a

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01:20:11.960 --> 01:20:15.840
<v Speaker 3>witch on a demonization or people trying to literally encourage

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01:20:16.520 --> 01:20:18.560
<v Speaker 3>a civil war like Red.

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01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:23.199
<v Speaker 4>There are people that want that one way or another. Okay,

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01:20:23.239 --> 01:20:25.279
<v Speaker 4>And we didn't even touch on Charlotte Kirk and.

1590
01:20:25.319 --> 01:20:28.680
<v Speaker 3>The recent you know, bloodthirsty comments and all that stuff

1591
01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:32.800
<v Speaker 3>on all sides, right, we didn't even go there, but

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01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:34.520
<v Speaker 3>I think we could do it the part too. And

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01:20:34.560 --> 01:20:36.880
<v Speaker 3>I apologize I talked a lot more than I wanted

1594
01:20:36.880 --> 01:20:38.840
<v Speaker 3>to in my sore throat water me too, I trust,

1595
01:20:38.960 --> 01:20:44.159
<v Speaker 3>trust me, but excited that somebody's actually willing the thinking

1596
01:20:44.760 --> 01:20:47.439
<v Speaker 3>and examine this stuff and look some of the.

1597
01:20:47.399 --> 01:20:48.079
<v Speaker 4>Stuff he said.

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01:20:48.119 --> 01:20:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Though to me, I was like, God.

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01:20:49.800 --> 01:20:52.039
<v Speaker 1>That is an outdated look, because you've got to take

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01:20:52.039 --> 01:20:55.000
<v Speaker 1>into account the new stuff. But on the other hand,

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01:20:55.439 --> 01:21:00.079
<v Speaker 1>you have some very solid ideas that I need to integrate.

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01:20:59.640 --> 01:21:00.720
<v Speaker 2>Into view here.

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01:21:01.520 --> 01:21:03.920
<v Speaker 1>And you know, you're not necessarily going to create my

1604
01:21:03.960 --> 01:21:04.479
<v Speaker 1>new opinion.

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01:21:04.600 --> 01:21:07.640
<v Speaker 2>Nobody does. But we all do actually.

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01:21:07.319 --> 01:21:11.359
<v Speaker 3>Influence one another if we bothered to listen and to

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01:21:11.920 --> 01:21:18.239
<v Speaker 3>clearly and consistently speak our minds and to articulate what

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01:21:18.359 --> 01:21:22.159
<v Speaker 3>it is that we are witnessing, because in any circumstance,

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01:21:22.640 --> 01:21:26.039
<v Speaker 3>even with eyewitnesses, you can have five eye witnesses, which

1610
01:21:26.039 --> 01:21:28.840
<v Speaker 3>will give you five different versions of an event that

1611
01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:32.640
<v Speaker 3>lasts less than five minutes any given day. And the

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01:21:32.720 --> 01:21:36.239
<v Speaker 3>thing is, they're all important because they're all reality to somebody.

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01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:38.680
<v Speaker 4>And the more we inform.

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01:21:38.359 --> 01:21:41.880
<v Speaker 3>Ourselves, the more we'll understand the things that went wrong,

1615
01:21:42.039 --> 01:21:44.640
<v Speaker 3>the things that went right, and the things that just

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01:21:44.840 --> 01:21:47.760
<v Speaker 3>went And I think that's the important part here.

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01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:50.880
<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to now shut up and ask you to.

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01:21:51.199 --> 01:21:53.479
<v Speaker 1>Again remind people about the name of your book.

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01:21:54.520 --> 01:21:56.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, any websites you have the stuff that you

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01:21:57.000 --> 01:21:59.720
<v Speaker 3>have to promote, please and hopefully I'll have some links

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01:21:59.760 --> 01:22:02.039
<v Speaker 3>in the show notes, which I'll put this out as soon

1622
01:22:02.079 --> 01:22:02.399
<v Speaker 3>as I.

1623
01:22:02.359 --> 01:22:04.199
<v Speaker 2>Can as a podcast.

1624
01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:06.760
<v Speaker 3>And apologies because we went like twenty minutes over the

1625
01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:09.399
<v Speaker 3>time I thought I was gonna do with you, and

1626
01:22:09.439 --> 01:22:12.720
<v Speaker 3>it's because I'm long winded and obnoxious, and I apologize.

1627
01:22:12.760 --> 01:22:16.199
<v Speaker 3>But things need to be set, things need to be explored,

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01:22:16.319 --> 01:22:20.560
<v Speaker 3>and we need to continue having revelations like conversations. And

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01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:25.359
<v Speaker 3>I mean conversations, not arguments, not pseudo debates, you know, not,

1630
01:22:25.520 --> 01:22:26.520
<v Speaker 3>Hey prove me wrong and.

1631
01:22:26.520 --> 01:22:27.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna fight with you today.

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01:22:28.239 --> 01:22:29.279
<v Speaker 4>And I don't mean to even.

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01:22:29.239 --> 01:22:32.079
<v Speaker 2>Make an exclusion to Charlie Kirk. I mean, that's really

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01:22:32.119 --> 01:22:33.000
<v Speaker 2>the attitude of people.

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01:22:33.079 --> 01:22:34.920
<v Speaker 4>Let's have a debate. I want to prove you wrong.

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01:22:35.279 --> 01:22:37.439
<v Speaker 2>That's not really the full purpose of debate.

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01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:38.319
<v Speaker 4>You know.

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01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:42.359
<v Speaker 3>Let's understand a dictionary. People say, oh, a dictionary is

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01:22:42.399 --> 01:22:43.399
<v Speaker 3>to give you definitions.

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01:22:43.439 --> 01:22:46.840
<v Speaker 2>No, don't know, be careful. For dictionary is for adiction.

1641
01:22:47.159 --> 01:22:48.079
<v Speaker 2>It's to tell you how to.

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01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Pronounce the word. It is not for meanings. There are

1643
01:22:52.000 --> 01:22:55.760
<v Speaker 1>definitions within it so that you can properly know which

1644
01:22:55.800 --> 01:22:58.600
<v Speaker 1>word you're referencing. That is why it's there.

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01:22:58.720 --> 01:23:00.960
<v Speaker 4>An phonetic spelling is before.

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01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:05.359
<v Speaker 3>The definition, okay, And people need to learn exactly what

1647
01:23:05.520 --> 01:23:07.960
<v Speaker 3>tools they're looking at and how to use them, and

1648
01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:12.880
<v Speaker 3>not just assume they know because automatically have all that knowledge. No,

1649
01:23:13.359 --> 01:23:16.279
<v Speaker 3>you need to continue to learn at all times because

1650
01:23:16.319 --> 01:23:19.039
<v Speaker 3>the world changes, and no matter who you are, how

1651
01:23:19.079 --> 01:23:22.359
<v Speaker 3>smart you think you are, you've got to always recognize

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01:23:22.439 --> 01:23:25.039
<v Speaker 3>you don't know everything. And I'm not addressing you, denism,

1653
01:23:25.279 --> 01:23:26.479
<v Speaker 3>addressing everybody.

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01:23:26.520 --> 01:23:27.800
<v Speaker 4>Listen, get myself.

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01:23:27.880 --> 01:23:30.159
<v Speaker 2>Even you don't know everything.

1656
01:23:30.359 --> 01:23:32.239
<v Speaker 4>You can make an effort all the time.

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01:23:32.119 --> 01:23:34.439
<v Speaker 2>But let's try to get a handle on it and

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01:23:34.520 --> 01:23:35.239
<v Speaker 2>get back.

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01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:39.520
<v Speaker 1>To mutual understandings where we can be productive as a

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01:23:39.560 --> 01:23:40.399
<v Speaker 1>group of people.

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01:23:40.439 --> 01:23:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Because I assure you, the rich.

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01:23:42.680 --> 01:23:43.760
<v Speaker 4>People, the elite.

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01:23:43.479 --> 01:23:46.399
<v Speaker 1>People, that people that benefit from us being at.

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01:23:46.279 --> 01:23:47.560
<v Speaker 2>Each other's throats.

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01:23:47.399 --> 01:23:51.159
<v Speaker 3>Will be more than happy to keep communication muddled and

1666
01:23:51.399 --> 01:23:55.520
<v Speaker 3>impossible and so biased that nothing is heard. Because the

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01:23:55.560 --> 01:23:58.359
<v Speaker 3>less we communicate with each other and the less that

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01:23:58.399 --> 01:24:01.840
<v Speaker 3>we can work together and you know, stopped, and the

1669
01:24:01.840 --> 01:24:04.359
<v Speaker 3>more we can stop turning on each other, the more

1670
01:24:04.479 --> 01:24:06.840
<v Speaker 3>likely it is we might actually hold people accountable that

1671
01:24:06.880 --> 01:24:08.880
<v Speaker 3>are doing us damage on a daily basis.

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01:24:09.800 --> 01:24:12.760
<v Speaker 2>So that's my preacher speech for a minute.

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01:24:13.039 --> 01:24:13.760
<v Speaker 4>Tell us all.

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01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:15.960
<v Speaker 1>About where we can, you know, follow up the name

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01:24:16.039 --> 01:24:16.560
<v Speaker 1>of your book.

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01:24:16.760 --> 01:24:19.319
<v Speaker 3>Is it available on a couple of different websites or

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01:24:19.359 --> 01:24:20.279
<v Speaker 3>do I go to Amazon?

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01:24:20.359 --> 01:24:28.920
<v Speaker 4>Tell me about it? Oh, and I.

1679
01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:33.319
<v Speaker 2>Lose, Dennis, Did I lose? You might look?

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01:24:33.920 --> 01:24:37.039
<v Speaker 3>I am going to go ahead and it looks like

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01:24:39.960 --> 01:24:43.159
<v Speaker 3>as a leader fifteen points to consider. Okay, he's got

1682
01:24:43.199 --> 01:24:44.479
<v Speaker 3>a leadership book out there.

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01:24:45.079 --> 01:24:47.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to get more information about the stuff that

1684
01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:51.079
<v Speaker 1>he does. But I think the g n Keith phrase to.

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01:24:51.239 --> 01:24:55.840
<v Speaker 3>Recall here is unpacking witch Hunts with Dennis Brennan. And

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01:24:55.880 --> 01:24:58.119
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to put that into a search engine and

1687
01:24:58.239 --> 01:25:01.920
<v Speaker 3>also contact Dennis and see where he's.

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01:25:01.720 --> 01:25:05.359
<v Speaker 2>At regarding regarding his work and tell.

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<v Speaker 3>Us where we can find it all because the letter

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<v Speaker 3>in and of itself that he sent me was the

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<v Speaker 3>inspiration for this conversation, and I think it was necessary

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<v Speaker 3>based on the spirit, and I think we can continue

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<v Speaker 3>to have a great, great interaction in order to continue

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<v Speaker 3>our understanding.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's DC Swamp strikes.

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<v Speaker 4>Back is the name of the book.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry I got that wrong the first time about

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<v Speaker 1>the book, but DC Swamp strikes Back. Aaron Burr, Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>let me get the full title here, because I just

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<v Speaker 1>did a search.

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<v Speaker 4>And I wanted to pull it up and be able

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<v Speaker 4>to promote his book directly if I could.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm also going to put it in the live chat

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<v Speaker 1>room and put it in the reference notes for this

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01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:50.920
<v Speaker 1>podcast kind because it's absolutely necessary for us to.

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<v Speaker 2>Get at you know, the bottom line.

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<v Speaker 3>There is a grand manipulation occurring. There is a lot

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01:25:56.720 --> 01:25:58.000
<v Speaker 3>of ugliness where you.

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01:25:58.000 --> 01:26:00.560
<v Speaker 2>Know, we're being manipulated.

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01:26:00.239 --> 01:26:03.840
<v Speaker 3>Doing things that are counterproductive to ourselves and to one

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<v Speaker 3>another and to this country over and over again. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm getting pretty tired of it. I hope you are too.

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<v Speaker 1>DC Swamp strikes Back Aaron Donald Trump and their similar

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<v Speaker 1>battles victims separated.

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<v Speaker 2>By centuries, bound by opponents and hatred.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, And that thing came out in May.

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<v Speaker 3>Of this year, and again, the author's name is Dennis A. Brennan,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Really really happy to have marn regardless of the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that we lost them toward.

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<v Speaker 2>The end here.

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<v Speaker 3>And I hope that you guys have gotten something out

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01:26:36.199 --> 01:26:38.680
<v Speaker 3>of this, and I also that we're going to continue

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<v Speaker 3>this conversation in.

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<v Speaker 2>The very very near future.

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<v Speaker 1>So with all that in mind, I'm not even gonna

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<v Speaker 1>bother to give you any other details or whatever about

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<v Speaker 1>my stuff, where I'm at, what I'm doing, because why.

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<v Speaker 9>Botheration through conversation, you are the effect.

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01:27:12.439 --> 01:27:14.079
<v Speaker 10>The decid is broken.

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<v Speaker 4>Through spoken revelation, through conversation.

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<v Speaker 10>Through ptopy life.

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<v Speaker 8>So show effect revelations conversation, abation, a devastation, revelation through conversation,

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<v Speaker 8>the effects You are the effects true conversation, amonstration or.

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<v Speaker 11>Sell effect revelations conversation, tiion through conversation, or shall lea

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<v Speaker 11>effect revelations from the sas gone and forgotten.

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<v Speaker 10>I'll sell you a fact beyond this place and fears

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<v Speaker 10>of the shame.

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<v Speaker 2>And yet the.

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<v Speaker 10>Years finds it shall find me afraid.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is not three decades charge the scroll.

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<v Speaker 1>I am the master of my fate.

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<v Speaker 10>I am the ant of my soul.

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<v Speaker 12>Joe funny effect revelation Conte.

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<v Speaker 1>The propaganda horse continued cashing in and.

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<v Speaker 10>Teach us about religion, keeping score at home.

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<v Speaker 12>For a people you'd like to see even by wolves dishropped,

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<v Speaker 12>dying soon tangles like Jacko tips and has continued golf

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<v Speaker 12>stormy tour him when you streak, he says.

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<v Speaker 10>God sparred him and decided.

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<v Speaker 2>A firefighter died from the.

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<v Speaker 10>Revelation conversation.

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<v Speaker 13>A fact, you are the effect.

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<v Speaker 6>You are the effects.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, listen through conversations, but all.

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<v Speaker 2>Praise no straight.

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<v Speaker 10>Revelation through conversation.

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<v Speaker 9>Through conversation raised a restraints.

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<v Speaker 10>Affect revelation through conversation.

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<v Speaker 13>Through conversations restraints.

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<v Speaker 12>I'll tell you affected revelation through conversation.

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<v Speaker 13>Time as the dead from old.

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<v Speaker 8>Ever done for my indokable soul in the constant circumstance,

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<v Speaker 8>I have not wist, no cry aloud.

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<v Speaker 10>He's a chance my head blade about it. You are

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<v Speaker 10>the effectually effect.

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<v Speaker 13>Convolation through conversation.

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<v Speaker 12>Revelation conversation y relation to conversations.

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<v Speaker 14>The War State by Michael Swanson explains the great national

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<v Speaker 14>transformation that took place and put the Kennedy presidency in

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01:30:13.920 --> 01:30:17.319
<v Speaker 14>the context of the times and reveals never before published

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01:30:17.359 --> 01:30:21.000
<v Speaker 14>information about the Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy would not

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<v Speaker 14>have been assassinated if he had been president two hundred

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<v Speaker 14>years ago. His assassination took place in the context of

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<v Speaker 14>the Cold War and the rise of the national security state.

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<v Speaker 14>Before World War II, the United States was a continental republic.

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<v Speaker 14>In the decade that followed, it became an imperial superpower

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<v Speaker 14>generals such as Curtis LeMay not only wanted to invade Cuba,

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<v Speaker 14>but knew that there were short range missiles on the

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<v Speaker 14>island arn't with nuclear warheads that they could not destroy

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<v Speaker 14>because they were on mobile launchers. Their invasion could have

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<v Speaker 14>led to a Third World War, and they wanted to

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01:30:52.560 --> 01:30:55.840
<v Speaker 14>go to war anyway. The War State by Michael Swanson

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01:30:56.119 --> 01:30:58.920
<v Speaker 14>reveals why and will show you what President Kennedy was

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<v Speaker 14>up against. For more information, the Warstate dot com the use.

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<v Speaker 2>Expressed like caller schools.

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<v Speaker 1>There anyone else who happens to get on the air

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<v Speaker 1>who jelly dot com if not necessarily reflected the views

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<v Speaker 1>of the jelly dot com or Jelly And we are

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<v Speaker 1>not responsible for any stupidity which might ensue. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 15>In Denial The Secret Wars with air strikes and Tanks

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<v Speaker 15>by Larryhncock. Secret wars became a staple of US covert

1793
01:31:22.600 --> 01:31:27.000
<v Speaker 15>operations and are still happening today. Larryhancock's book In Denial

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<v Speaker 15>rips the cover off many of them, using new files.

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<v Speaker 15>It exposes things about the Bay of Pigs that no

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<v Speaker 15>one has ever written about before. It shows why it

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<v Speaker 15>really failed and why the United States did not learn

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<v Speaker 15>from it. It also shows why other countries today are

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<v Speaker 15>doing secret operations with more success.

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<v Speaker 16>This is the book that puts what some want to

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<v Speaker 16>deny into the light. In Denial secret wars with air

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<v Speaker 16>strikes and tanks Larryhancock. For more information, go to Larry

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<v Speaker 16>hyphen Handcock dot com. Pick up your copy of In

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<v Speaker 16>Denial at Amazon dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>In digital or physical.

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<v Speaker 11>Revels through com section.

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<v Speaker 2>H oh.

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<v Speaker 13>Shell fact, Oh Sally fact, say that right.

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<v Speaker 2>Y r.

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<v Speaker 13>Fain' all the world your fat Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>Revel like show.

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<v Speaker 13>The fruit of size.

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<v Speaker 6>Show very.

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<v Speaker 15>Sound as.

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<v Speaker 17>I was like, go ahead, call it about the JFA assassination.

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<v Speaker 16>Right, Well, what do you want to know?

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<v Speaker 17>Dye Baker's wild claim? Oswald girlfriend if he knew Ruby

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<v Speaker 17>and Arry answer weapons? Really?

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<v Speaker 16>I imagine I could claim I have four wheels. It

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<v Speaker 16>doesn't make me a wagon.

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<v Speaker 17>But okay, Oswald on the building and I'm trying to

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01:34:19.119 --> 01:34:21.399
<v Speaker 17>prevent the murder of John Kennedy. Come on now, has

1825
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<v Speaker 17>a real effort on the DAFA assassination. Book into her claims.

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<v Speaker 16>Go to Amazon dot com enter Judith Baker in her

1827
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<v Speaker 16>own words. You'll get the results for a digital copy

1828
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<v Speaker 16>of a book where Walt Brown utilizes her own words

1829
01:34:35.279 --> 01:34:38.079
<v Speaker 16>and the known evidence in the case to get at

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<v Speaker 16>well a different perspective. Let's say you can get Judith

1831
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<v Speaker 16>Barry Baker in her own words from the author himself

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<v Speaker 16>signed if you request it by contacting doctor Brown at

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<v Speaker 16>k I A s JFK at aol dot com. It's

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<v Speaker 16>a fun book and it actually dissects the many, many

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<v Speaker 16>fantastic claims Judith very Baker.

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<v Speaker 2>In her own words all the.

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<v Speaker 17>Great information.

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<v Speaker 1>What would I do?

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<v Speaker 18>Revelation through conversation in a radio show slash podcast. You

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<v Speaker 18>want the good news, listen to the o'helly effect. Check

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<v Speaker 18>the o'helly effect. Revelation through conversation o'helly dot com, Gee,

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<v Speaker 18>ochilli dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Nuclear holocaust.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what uranium is right?

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<v Speaker 10>Think called rooplear weapons and other things like lots of

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<v Speaker 10>what uranium is right?

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<v Speaker 15>Bad things The things are done up with uranium, including

1852
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<v Speaker 15>some bad things.

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<v Speaker 2>Looklear holocaust, what uranium is right? I Looklear Holocaust.

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<v Speaker 1>Nuclear holocaust.

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<v Speaker 9>Uranium is right.

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<v Speaker 1>The things are.

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<v Speaker 17>Nuclear reaponies and other revelation through conversation.

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<v Speaker 13>On your roll of brass l.

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<v Speaker 1>Bulls, beasts that smash, fire flows through every pain little

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<v Speaker 1>form at least the pain.

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<v Speaker 8>D crazy sign the fighting of the Roughty killer bulls, destructing.

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<v Speaker 10>Dot com radio, go ahead, the truth.

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<v Speaker 17>About the day assassination? Right, Well, what do you want

1864
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<v Speaker 17>to Judy Baker's wild claim? Oswald girlfriends he knew? Ruby

1865
01:37:03.600 --> 01:37:05.399
<v Speaker 17>and Arry answer weapons? Really?

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01:37:05.520 --> 01:37:07.520
<v Speaker 16>I imagine I could claim I have four wheels. It

1867
01:37:07.560 --> 01:37:08.560
<v Speaker 16>doesn't make me a wagon.

1868
01:37:08.720 --> 01:37:11.479
<v Speaker 17>But okay, Oswald was on the building and I'm trying

1869
01:37:11.479 --> 01:37:13.560
<v Speaker 17>to prevent the murder of John Kennedy. Come on now,

1870
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<v Speaker 17>has a real effort on the DAFA assaffination claim.

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<v Speaker 16>Go to Amazon dot com enter Judith Baker in her

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<v Speaker 16>own words. You'll get the results for a digital copy

1873
01:37:24.159 --> 01:37:27.560
<v Speaker 16>of a book where Walt Brown utilizes her own words

1874
01:37:27.720 --> 01:37:30.520
<v Speaker 16>and the known evidence in the case to get at

1875
01:37:30.680 --> 01:37:34.119
<v Speaker 16>well a different perspective. Let's say you can get Judith

1876
01:37:34.279 --> 01:37:37.399
<v Speaker 16>Ary Baker in her own words from the author himself

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<v Speaker 16>signed if you request it by contacting doctor Brown at

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<v Speaker 16>k I A s jfk at aol dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a fun book and it.

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<v Speaker 16>Actually dissects the many, many fantastic claims. Judith very Baker, in.

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<v Speaker 17>Her own words, thank you for all the great information.

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<v Speaker 10>The effected conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>You want.

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<v Speaker 10>Silence broken, broken.

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<v Speaker 6>Connection. Sh