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<v Speaker 1>Victorian British Columbia sits on the southern tip of Vancouver Island.

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<v Speaker 1>In November of nineteen eighty seven, the city was settling

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<v Speaker 1>into the gray stillness of Pacific Northwest autumn. The tourist

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<v Speaker 1>season had ended months before, leaving the Inner Harbor quiet

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<v Speaker 1>except for the gulls and the rhythmic churn of ferry engines.

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<v Speaker 1>Rain fell steadily just so outside the city. In the

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<v Speaker 1>bedroom community of Saanich, life moved at a slower pace.

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<v Speaker 1>The ferry route between Victoria and Washington State had been

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<v Speaker 1>running for decades, a crucial artery connecting Canada to the

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<v Speaker 1>Olympic Peninsula and beyond. Every day, vehicles lined up at

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<v Speaker 1>the Coho Ferry terminal, work trucks, dan's, motor homes, fans.

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<v Speaker 1>Some passengers were commuters, others were tourists eager to explore

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<v Speaker 1>Seattle or ventured deeper into the American wilderness. On the

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<v Speaker 1>morning of Wednesday, the eighteenth of November nineteen eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>a Braun nineteen seventy seven Ford Club wagon joined the queue.

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<v Speaker 1>Behind the wheel was twenty year old Jay Cook. Beside

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<v Speaker 1>him sat eighteen year old Tanya van Kulemborg. They were

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<v Speaker 1>heading to Seattle on an errand for Jay's father's heating business.

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<v Speaker 1>A simple overnight tree to pick up a furnace. They

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<v Speaker 1>had blankets and foam paths in case they wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>sleep in the van. They had cash and travelers checks

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<v Speaker 1>in case they fancied a motel. They had a plan

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<v Speaker 1>to call home once they picked up the equipment. The

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<v Speaker 1>four o'clock ferry pulled away from the dock, carrying them

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<v Speaker 1>across the Strait of Wandy Fuca towards Port Angele's. The

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<v Speaker 1>water was choppy, the sky heavy with clouds. By the

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<v Speaker 1>time they reached the American side, darkness was already settling

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<v Speaker 1>over the forested coastline. Somewhere along the roads between Port

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles and Seattle, between the ferry terminals and small hounds

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<v Speaker 1>that dotted Highway one oh one, Tanya and Jay disappeared.

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya van Kulenborg was born in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>on the seventh of March nineteen sixty nine, to parents

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<v Speaker 1>Willem and Jan. She had one sibling, an older brother

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<v Speaker 1>named John, and they had grown up together in Vancouver

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<v Speaker 1>Island in the close knit community of sanich By the

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<v Speaker 1>summer of nineteen eighty seven, eighteen year old Tanya had

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<v Speaker 1>graduated from Oak Bay High School, located just a few

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<v Speaker 1>kilometers east of Johntown, Victoria's Shocks. She was in that

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<v Speaker 1>strange spot between adolescents and adulthood, just trying to figure

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<v Speaker 1>everything out. That summer, Tanya was saving for a trip

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<v Speaker 1>to Holland, where she had family on her father's site.

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<v Speaker 1>Those who loved Tanya said that she was someone who

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<v Speaker 1>loved deeply and cared for things that needed her attention.

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<v Speaker 1>She cared for many pets over the years, cats, fish, gerbils, and,

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<v Speaker 1>after constant appeals to her mother, a beloved golden retriever

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<v Speaker 1>she named Tessa. Tessa was more than just a pet.

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<v Speaker 1>Tessa was her companion, her confidant, the kind of presence

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<v Speaker 1>that made coming home home feel warmer. Dania had dreams

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<v Speaker 1>of working with animals one day, but right now she

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<v Speaker 1>was working part time as a waitress to earn some

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<v Speaker 1>money for college. She was nicknamed Swede and was known

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<v Speaker 1>for her sarcasm and many different laughs. She was a

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<v Speaker 1>competent sailor on family trips, comfortable with the wind in

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<v Speaker 1>the water at ease in the natural world that surrounded

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<v Speaker 1>her island home. Music was another part of Tanya's life.

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<v Speaker 1>She was a casual guitarist whose favorite band, You Two,

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<v Speaker 1>had just released their first number one record. Danie wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>performing on stage as her chasing fame. She just pled

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<v Speaker 1>for herself for the joy of it. Danya's focus campaign

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<v Speaker 1>to get a family dog or even start a girl's

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<v Speaker 1>basketball team at her high school showed her determination and

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<v Speaker 1>willingness to fight for the things she wanted. When she

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<v Speaker 1>wanted something, she pursued it with quiet persistence. Daniel wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>de typed to back down from a challenge, even when

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<v Speaker 1>the odds weren't in her favor. She was dating twenty

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<v Speaker 1>year old Jay Cook. Jay had been born in the

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<v Speaker 1>Greater Victoria area of British Columbia and Canada, and he

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<v Speaker 1>grew up in Sanach with his parents, Leona and Gordon.

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<v Speaker 1>Gordon worked in the family business, Cook and Talbot Heating Limited.

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<v Speaker 1>Jay had two sisters, Laura, Lee and Kelly. At twenty

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<v Speaker 1>years old, Jay stood at six foot four inches tall,

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<v Speaker 1>but he hadn't quite beefed out yet. His family always

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<v Speaker 1>choked that he was gangly, but he was sweet. The

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<v Speaker 1>kind of person whose presence felt uncomplicated, and Jay wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>one to sit still. He'd worked on a fishing boat,

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<v Speaker 1>in a pizza restaurant, picked up bass guitar, and loved

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<v Speaker 1>boating with his family. He had ambitions to one day

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<v Speaker 1>become a marine biologist. He was left handed, broad shouldered,

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<v Speaker 1>and carried himself with an easy, unassuming confidence. It was

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<v Speaker 1>also a sweetness to Jay that his family and friends remembered.

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<v Speaker 1>One night, after a shift at the pizza parlor, he

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<v Speaker 1>wrote his bike three hours through rain and darkness to

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<v Speaker 1>a cabin where his friends were staying for the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>He had balanced a Pete's on his head the whole

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<v Speaker 1>way there to bring them food. Jay had no rough edges,

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<v Speaker 1>his uncle recollected, while his friend dor And Schiller said

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<v Speaker 1>Jay was very warm. He enjoyed meeting people, but he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't like hanging around with people who brought him on happiness.

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya and Jay were high school sweethearts. They spent all

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<v Speaker 1>of their free time together, mostly at each other's houses.

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<v Speaker 1>Jay's sister, Laura fondly recollected Tanya was very sweet and caring,

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<v Speaker 1>and they looked up to each other. Jay's mother Leona

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<v Speaker 1>believed that Tanya was quite special to him. Tanya's father, Willem,

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<v Speaker 1>felt that they seemed to be good for each other.

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<v Speaker 1>He had no apprehension about them being together, and was

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, very comfortable with it. In family photographs from

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<v Speaker 1>that summer, Tanya and Jay looked to be two young

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<v Speaker 1>people on the cusp of their lives. They had no

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<v Speaker 1>way of knowing that time was running out. Tanya and

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<v Speaker 1>Jay had been dating for several months when November arrived,

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<v Speaker 1>bringing with it the gray skies and persistent rain that

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<v Speaker 1>defined Pacific Northwest autumns. The trees had long since shed

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<v Speaker 1>their leaves, and darkness came early, swallowing the afternoon by

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<v Speaker 1>four point thirty pm. It was during this time that

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<v Speaker 1>Jay asked Tanya to accompany him on which it had

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<v Speaker 1>have been a routine trip to Seattle. He needed to

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<v Speaker 1>pick up a furnace for his father's heating business. Not

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the kind of adventure that teenage dreams were made of,

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<v Speaker 1>driving south to collect industrial equipment, But Jay had an idea.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't have to be boring. If they were together,

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<v Speaker 1>they could turn the mundane into something memorable. An overnight

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<v Speaker 1>trip a small adventure, time away from parents and sibs

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<v Speaker 1>and the familiar rhythms of home. Gordon Cook, Jay's father,

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<v Speaker 1>saw no reason to refuse. He later recollected, Normally I

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<v Speaker 1>would have gone down myself on a weekend, but I

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<v Speaker 1>just thought, why not let Jay do it? Seemed reasonable.

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<v Speaker 1>Jay was responsible, twenty years old, more than capable of

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<v Speaker 1>handling a simple pickup and delivery. Gordon gave his son

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<v Speaker 1>some extra money so they could stay overnight and drive

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<v Speaker 1>back the next day. On the morning of Wednesday, November eighteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty seven, Jay pulled up to the Vancoulenburg home

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<v Speaker 1>in his father's company vehicle, a Broun nineteen seventy seven

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<v Speaker 1>Ford club Wagon. The plan was straightforward. They would catch

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<v Speaker 1>the four o'clock ferry to Victoria to Port Angele's in Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>From there they would drive to a second car ferry.

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<v Speaker 1>They would take them from Bremerton across Puget Sound to Seattle.

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<v Speaker 1>They'd pick up the furnace, call home to confirm everything

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<v Speaker 1>had gone smoothly, find a place to sleep, and return

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<v Speaker 1>to Victoria by Thursday night. They'd packed phone pads and

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<v Speaker 1>blankets in case they decided to sleep in the van,

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<v Speaker 1>but they also had cash and travelers checks. If they

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<v Speaker 1>fancied the comfort of a motel room. The options were open,

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<v Speaker 1>the trip flexible to young people with a simple errand

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<v Speaker 1>and a dead of themselves. After they picked up the furnace,

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<v Speaker 1>they were supposed to call home, But that phone call

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<v Speaker 1>never came. At first, neither family worried. Tanya and Jay

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<v Speaker 1>were young and in love. After all, maybe they decided

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<v Speaker 1>to explore Seattle for a few hours. Maybe they'd found

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<v Speaker 1>a diner with good food, or walked along the waterfront,

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<v Speaker 1>or simply gotten caught up with each other's company and

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<v Speaker 1>lost track of time. The plan had been loose. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>sleep in the van or get a motel their choice.

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<v Speaker 1>They had the resources to handle either option. Missing one

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<v Speaker 1>phone call didn't necessarily mean catastrophe. It could simply mean

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<v Speaker 1>teenagers being teenagers, living in the moment, forgetting the smaller

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<v Speaker 1>obligations to worried parents. But when Thursday night arrived and

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<v Speaker 1>neither Tanya nor Jay returned home, concern began to form

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<v Speaker 1>into something sharper. They should have been back. The trip

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't meant to last more than a day and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>The furnace pickup was a simple transaction, there was no

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<v Speaker 1>reason for delay. On Friday, the twentieth of November, two

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<v Speaker 1>days after Tanya and Jay had left, their families reported

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<v Speaker 1>the missing. The search titanniaan Jay got underway with the

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<v Speaker 1>methodical procedures that mark missing person investigations back in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty seven. This was before cell phones, before GPS tracking,

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<v Speaker 1>before the digital breadcrumbs that would later make disappearances somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>easier to trace. The tectives began with the basics, retracing

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<v Speaker 1>the couple's intended route. They quickly learned that Tanya and

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<v Speaker 1>Jay had indeed arrived at the ferry from Victoria to

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<v Speaker 1>Port Angele's on Wednesday afternoon. Witnesses confirmed their departure. The

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<v Speaker 1>ferry manifest included their vehicle. They had made it across

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<v Speaker 1>the Strait of Wan de Fuca without incident, but after

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<v Speaker 1>that the trail went cold. They never made it to Seattle,

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<v Speaker 1>at least not to pick up the furnace. Whatever had

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<v Speaker 1>happened to them had occurred somewhere between Port Angeles and

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<v Speaker 1>their destination, somewhere in the tangle of roads and small

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<v Speaker 1>towns that dotted Washington State's Olympic Peninsula. Detectives started checking

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<v Speaker 1>local motels and campgrounds, thinking perhaps there was an innocent explanation.

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<v Speaker 1>They were teenagers, after all, young in love on their

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<v Speaker 1>first trail trip alone together. Maybe they'd simply decided to

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<v Speaker 1>extend their adventure to steal a few more days of freedom.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a comforting theory that Tanya's family knew better.

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<v Speaker 1>Her father, Willem said, I know she would have called

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<v Speaker 1>home if she could. She always calls home when she's away.

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<v Speaker 1>When she went to Europe, she always called, and whenever

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<v Speaker 1>she goes over to Vancouver, she always calls. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>just parantel anxiety. It was knowledge based on pattern, on

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<v Speaker 1>the established rhythms of his daughter's behavior. Dania was responsible.

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<v Speaker 1>She understood that silence created worry. She wouldn't disappear without word,

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<v Speaker 1>not willingly, not by choice. Jay's family echoed the same certainty.

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<v Speaker 1>Gordon Cook insisted to detectives that his son had no

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<v Speaker 1>intention of going on a prolonged trip. This was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be a quick errand not an escape. Jay was reliable,

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of young man who showed up when expected,

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<v Speaker 1>who kept his word. But the days pressed forward and

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<v Speaker 1>nobody could offer any insights into the couple's whereabouts. Fort

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<v Speaker 1>Angele's police chief, Mark Clellan addressed the media, stating, they

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<v Speaker 1>have never reached Seattle, and that's all we know. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no indication of file play, no indication, but also no answers.

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<v Speaker 1>The search continued. William couldn't sit idle while others looked

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<v Speaker 1>for his daughter. He drove to Washington State himself, scarring

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<v Speaker 1>the Olympic Peninsula's winding roads, searching the streets for Seattle

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<v Speaker 1>for any sign of Tanya or Jay. He walked neighborhoods,

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<v Speaker 1>showed photographs to strangers, asked questions until his voice grew hoarse.

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<v Speaker 1>Police forces throughout Canada and the United States were alerted

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the lookout for the couple or their van.

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<v Speaker 1>The alerts went out across radio frequencies and fox machines

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<v Speaker 1>distributed to jurisdictions that stretched from British Columbia to Oregon.

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<v Speaker 1>Somewhere someone must have seen them, somewhere, there had to

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<v Speaker 1>be a witness or a clue. But the days continued

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<v Speaker 1>to pass with no word from the couple. The silence

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<v Speaker 1>stretched from ours into days, from days into a wis

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<v Speaker 1>and with each passing or the likelihood of an innocent

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<v Speaker 1>explanation grew smaller. It had been a week since Tanya

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<v Speaker 1>and Jay left for Seattle. The morning of November twenty

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<v Speaker 1>its tracks. It was the lifeless body of Tanya van Kulemborg.

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<v Speaker 1>She was lying faced down over an embankment, her bodily

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<v Speaker 1>partially obscured by fallen leaves and branches. She was made

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<v Speaker 1>over her breasts. She had been shot once in the

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<v Speaker 1>back of the head at close range. The bullet was

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<v Speaker 1>casing from a small caliber gun. The area was quickly

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<v Speaker 1>clue that might explain what had happened. They also believed

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<v Speaker 1>that Jay's body must be somewhere nearby. The theory that

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<v Speaker 1>and quickly dismissed. The location where Tanya was found wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>for them to have been in that isolated road near Alger. Furthermore,

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence told the darker story Tanya had been sexually assaulted.

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<v Speaker 1>Near her body, detectives found the zip pies. The evidence

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<v Speaker 1>suggested that Tanya had been killed by a stranger, and

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<v Speaker 1>area was meticulously searched, but Jay's body wasn't there. Detectives

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<v Speaker 1>them immediately. The next day, the Texas received their first

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<v Speaker 1>Among them, they found Tania's ID card, keys to the van,

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<v Speaker 1>an ammunition that mashed the bullet that had killed her.

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<v Speaker 1>There were also zip ties and disposable surgic gloves. Detectives

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<v Speaker 1>immediately shifted their focus to Bellingham. In a parking lot downtown,

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<v Speaker 1>they found the van. Inside was even more crucial evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>more zip ties, Tanya's black pants, a blood stain on

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<v Speaker 1>van was a crime scene, but still there was no

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<v Speaker 1>sign of Jay. The next day, November twenty sixth, Scott

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<v Speaker 1>Walker and a friend were hunting pheasants south of Monroe,

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<v Speaker 1>about seventy miles from where Tania's body had been discovered.

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<v Speaker 1>They were walking near High Bridge when Scott's dog, Tess,

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<v Speaker 1>back right away, which was highly unusual. Tess was a

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<v Speaker 1>well trained hunting dog, responsive to commands, but now she

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<v Speaker 1>just stood there close to the bridge, almost in a daze.

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<v Speaker 1>Scott recalled, she was standing at a distance, I think

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<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out what she was looking at. You

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<v Speaker 1>could tell she didn't want to get any closer. Scott

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<v Speaker 1>approached his dog and looked in the direction of her gaze.

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<v Speaker 1>Through the brush, He could see an ashen gray human

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<v Speaker 1>or protruding from the undergrowth. He didn't get any closer.

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<v Speaker 1>He and his friend immediately reported the discovery to the

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<v Speaker 1>nearest Washington State Police station. Sheriff Rick Board arrived at

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<v Speaker 1>the scene with other officers. They were directed to the

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<v Speaker 1>location and moved cautiously towards the body. It was Jay Cook.

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<v Speaker 1>He was lying in a fatal position, his face and

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<v Speaker 1>upper body covered by a tattered blue blanket. He was

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<v Speaker 1>bonded with the ziptize and gagged. Jay had been beaten

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<v Speaker 1>over the head with a rock and strangled to death

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<v Speaker 1>with twine and a dog collar. The missing person's investigation

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<v Speaker 1>had just become a double homicide. Sergeant Dave Richardson said

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<v Speaker 1>in the media they were clean cut individuals. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a statement meant to emphasize the senselessness of their deaths,

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<v Speaker 1>the randomness of the violence that had found them. Detectives

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<v Speaker 1>began piecing together a theory with what had happened. They

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<v Speaker 1>speculated that Tanya and Jay had possibly offered their killer

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<v Speaker 1>a ride, perhaps picking up a hitchhiker, common enough occurrence

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty seven, especially for young people who saw

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<v Speaker 1>helping a stranger as an act of kindness as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to a risk. Detectives believed that Jay had been killed first.

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<v Speaker 1>Their theory suggested that the killer had ordered him to

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<v Speaker 1>park the van out of sight in a location where

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<v Speaker 1>the violence could unfold without witnesses. While Tanya was zip

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<v Speaker 1>tied and gagged in the van, unable to help or escape,

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<v Speaker 1>the killer took Jad the isolated spat beneath high Bridge

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<v Speaker 1>where he was murdered. Sergeant Rick Bart noted there wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>much of a struggle. Whoever killed him knew how to

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<v Speaker 1>park the van out of sight. He was fairly confident

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<v Speaker 1>nobody was going to see what he was about to do. Afterwards,

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<v Speaker 1>the killer returned to the van where Tania was held captive.

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<v Speaker 1>She was sexually assaulted there, then she was driven to

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<v Speaker 1>the isolated road near Alger and shot once in the

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<v Speaker 1>back of the head. Detectives didn't believe that this was

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<v Speaker 1>a robbery gone wrong, even though some items were missing.

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya's from an old camera had been taken, a black

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<v Speaker 1>and red jacket, a green backpack, but the violence spoke

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<v Speaker 1>to something darker than simple theft. Jay's father, Gordon, examined

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<v Speaker 1>the fan with the detectives, looking for anything out of

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<v Speaker 1>the ordinary. He said that everything seemed normal, nothing obviously

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<v Speaker 1>disturbed beyond the bloodstains and the evidence of violence. A

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<v Speaker 1>crucial part of the investigation was determining where Tania and

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<v Speaker 1>Jay were last seen alive, to narrow Down, where they

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<v Speaker 1>had encountered their killer. Detectives soon learned that the couple

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<v Speaker 1>had purchased gas in the small Mason County town of

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<v Speaker 1>Alan on November eighteenth. Witnesses confirmed that they were together

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<v Speaker 1>and they seemed to be in high spirits. There was

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<v Speaker 1>nobody else with them, nobody else in the van, but

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<v Speaker 1>Alan wasn't on their planned route. Detectives believed they had

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<v Speaker 1>taken a wrong turn, a simple navigational error that would

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<v Speaker 1>prove to be fatal. Records showed they had purchased a

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<v Speaker 1>ticket for the ferry from Bremerton to Seattle at ten

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen p m. It was presumed that they made it

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<v Speaker 1>on to the ferry, but nobody could say for certain

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<v Speaker 1>the crossing would have taken about an or they may

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<v Speaker 1>have met their killer there or perhaps on the roads afterwards.

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<v Speaker 1>Dania's father, Wilhelm, had his own theory. He remarked, in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind, I'm satisfied they met their misfortune on the eighteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>They would have picked up two hitchhikers as readily as one.

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<v Speaker 1>They trusted the whole world. If the hitchhikers were in

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<v Speaker 1>the same age group, I guarantee you that van would stop.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the kind of heartbreaking observation that only a

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<v Speaker 1>parent could make, knowing your child's kindness, their generosity of spirit,

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<v Speaker 1>and recognizing how those very qualities might have made them vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 1>Detectives weren't quite sure whether there was one killer or multiple.

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<v Speaker 1>Posters featuring photographs of Tanya and Jay were printed and

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<v Speaker 1>distributed along two routes they or their killer may have taken.

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<v Speaker 1>The posters went up in store, service stations and businesses

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<v Speaker 1>along Interstate five and Highway nine. The investigation was then

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<v Speaker 1>ramped up. A fifteen thousand dollars reward was offered for

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<v Speaker 1>information leading to the conviction of the couple's killer, but

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<v Speaker 1>detectives admitted it wasn't going to be an easy case.

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<v Speaker 1>Tania and Jay were believed to have been killed by

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<v Speaker 1>a complete stranger in an area that neither of them knew.

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<v Speaker 1>There were no obvious witnesses, no clear motive beyond random violence.

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<v Speaker 1>Police spokesman Roy Reid acknowledged the difficulty and set and

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<v Speaker 1>I understand it's a pretty cold trail at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>While detectives worked around the clock processing evidence and chasing leads,

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<v Speaker 1>the community gathered to mourn. Around two hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>people assembled at the University of Victoria Chapel for a

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<v Speaker 1>memorial service for Tania. The chapel was full standing room only,

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<v Speaker 1>filled with classmates and teachers and neighbors. Reverend Francis a

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<v Speaker 1>Day spoke to the assembled mourners with words meant to

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<v Speaker 1>transform grief into purpose. Tanya and Jay will not have

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<v Speaker 1>died in vain if each of us is motivated to

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<v Speaker 1>go from this room to try to make the world

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<v Speaker 1>a safer place in which to live. She urged everyone

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<v Speaker 1>to work towards raising children who wouldn't need violence, who

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<v Speaker 1>could resolve conflicts without brutality. It was not domestic message

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<v Speaker 1>delivered into her room that was heavy with loss. Tanya

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<v Speaker 1>was fondly remembered as the sort of girl who was

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<v Speaker 1>there whenever he needed her. Oak Bay High School Principal

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<v Speaker 1>Court Brusom recalled her as the Jorden who had persuaded

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<v Speaker 1>him to form a senior girls basketball team and coach

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<v Speaker 1>it himself. It was classic Tanya, saying something that should

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<v Speaker 1>exist and refusing to accept its absence. Jesy's memorial service followed.

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<v Speaker 1>He was remembered as a peaceful, easygoing young man who

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed meeting people and a good joke. His friend Kathy

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<v Speaker 1>Clark said simply, he was a warm, peace loving person.

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<v Speaker 1>Very easy going and mild tempered. These were the testimonials

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<v Speaker 1>of lives cut short. Not the grand eulogies of people

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<v Speaker 1>who had lived long enough to accumulate impressive achievements, but

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<v Speaker 1>the smaller, more intimate observations of character. Tania and Jay

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<v Speaker 1>had been killed before they could become whoever they might

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<v Speaker 1>have been, before college, before careers, before the life they

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<v Speaker 1>struggled to gain traction, detectives started looking outward, searching for

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<v Speaker 1>patterns that might connect Tanya and Jay's murders to other

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<v Speaker 1>unsolved cases. What they found was disturbing. There had been

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<v Speaker 1>several unsolved double murders in Washington State over the past

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<v Speaker 1>two years. Since nineteen eighty five, three other couples on

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<v Speaker 1>sightseeing or camping trips had been found killed, or disappeared

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<v Speaker 1>under mysterious circumstances. Deputy Pete Panissy had investigated the August

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty six disappearance of sixty four year old Robert

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<v Speaker 1>Linton and his sixty two year old wife, Dagmar. He

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<v Speaker 1>said he had a gut instinct that the cases were

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<v Speaker 1>somehow connected. Robert and Dagmar had been on their way

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<v Speaker 1>to Vancouver when they parked their trailer at the Naco

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<v Speaker 1>West Camground near Brennan. They took their truck on a

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<v Speaker 1>day trip and were never seen again. An unidentified suspect

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<v Speaker 1>produce their gasoline card and was tracked the previous year

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<v Speaker 1>through Alger just north of where Tanya's body had been found.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the suspect dropped out of sight. The deputy noted

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<v Speaker 1>the similarities. Tanya and Jay had a van, the Lintons

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<v Speaker 1>had a truck with a canopy. The Linton's truck was

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<v Speaker 1>left in a public parking lot. The van belonging to

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<v Speaker 1>his Tanya and Jay was found in a parking lot.

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<v Speaker 1>The suspect in the Linton disappearance was described as a tall,

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<v Speaker 1>bulky man in his early to mid forties. A composite

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<v Speaker 1>sketch had been compiled from descriptions provided by clerks in

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<v Speaker 1>two stores where purchases were made with the missing couple's

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<v Speaker 1>credit cards. There were two other cases under review as well,

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<v Speaker 1>the March nineteen eighty five murderers near Vantage in Grand

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<v Speaker 1>County of twenty five year old Edward Smith and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six year old Kimberly Diane Levine of Kent. Newly arrived

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<v Speaker 1>from New England. The engaged couple had been on a

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<v Speaker 1>the tenth of March in a gravel pit several miles south,

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<v Speaker 1>his hands bound and his throat cut. Kimberly's skeletal remains

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<v Speaker 1>were found ten miles further south in August of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty five. Sheriff's deputy said she might have been sexually assaulted,

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<v Speaker 1>but they couldn't determine how she was killed. The only

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<v Speaker 1>similarities with Chany and Jay's case, officials noted were that

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<v Speaker 1>they were a young couple traveling in an area they

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<v Speaker 1>were unfamiliar with. Then there was the August nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>five disappearance in Slang near tul Lake in Pierce County

420
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<v Speaker 1>a forty three year old Ruth Cooper and twenty eight

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<v Speaker 1>year old Stephen Harkins of the Coma. The two had

422
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<v Speaker 1>left on a camping trip on August tenth. Four days later,

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen's body was found inside their car, wrapped in a

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<v Speaker 1>sleeping bag. He'd been shot in the head, where of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty five, roofs remains were found in heavy brush

426
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<v Speaker 1>in a timber area about a mile and a half away.

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Keppel, an expert in serial murderers who had worked

428
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<v Speaker 1>as a consultant on the Green River case, the Atlanta

429
00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:17.039
<v Speaker 1>child murderers and served as lead investigator in the Ted

430
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<v Speaker 1>Bundy case, urged caution. He remarked, whether the person who

431
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<v Speaker 1>killed Cook and Van Kulenberg killed in the past or

432
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<v Speaker 1>will kill again, we just don't know. Eventually, it was

433
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<v Speaker 1>determined that the cases weren't connected. Whatever patterns detectives thought

434
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:40.160
<v Speaker 1>they saw dissolved under close scrutiny. Tanya and Jay's murders

435
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:45.920
<v Speaker 1>stood alone. The investigation continued. Just before Christmas, the reward

436
00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:49.240
<v Speaker 1>was increased to fifty thousand dollars, offered by a committee

437
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:52.680
<v Speaker 1>headed by the president of the Victoria Bar Association and

438
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:57.319
<v Speaker 1>funded through private and corporate donations. New posters were printed

439
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:01.839
<v Speaker 1>displaying the updated reward amount. Tanya's father, William, personally put

440
00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:05.359
<v Speaker 1>some up in bars around Pioneer Square and the Pike

441
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:09.160
<v Speaker 1>Place Market. This is where he believed his daughter and

442
00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:13.559
<v Speaker 1>Jay had met their killer. He said, the apprehension of

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<v Speaker 1>this individual will do nothing to diminish our anguish over

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<v Speaker 1>the loss of Tanya. But we don't want to repeat.

445
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<v Speaker 1>We don't want someone else to suffer at the hands

446
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:25.960
<v Speaker 1>of this crazed man. William speculated that Tanya and Jay

447
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:28.559
<v Speaker 1>had met someone in a bar after the ferry and

448
00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:32.319
<v Speaker 1>offered to drive them somewhere. He was determined to find

449
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:37.359
<v Speaker 1>his daughter's killer, but soon enough Willim found himself the

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00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:50.160
<v Speaker 1>focus of something sinister. The letters started at Christmas. Tanya

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00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:54.480
<v Speaker 1>and Jay's parents received Christmas cards from somebody claiming to

452
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<v Speaker 1>be the killer. The sender wrote that he hated all

453
00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:02.519
<v Speaker 1>Canadians and threatened to kill again. One card read, in part,

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00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.000
<v Speaker 1>you and ever going to apprehend me? Good luck? Do

455
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:09.799
<v Speaker 1>the Mounties always get their man? The card contained details

456
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:12.920
<v Speaker 1>of the murders, but detectives cautioned that it could be

457
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:16.599
<v Speaker 1>a hoax. The information could have been learned from newspaper

458
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:20.920
<v Speaker 1>articles that had covered the case. But the letters didn't stop.

459
00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:25.200
<v Speaker 1>They just kept coming. They were harassing and mean. Detectives

460
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:29.480
<v Speaker 1>set They arrived on Father's Day, Mother's Day, and Christmas.

461
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:34.640
<v Speaker 1>They had specifically chosen to maximize pain. Another letter was

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00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:38.200
<v Speaker 1>sent to the RCMP, mocking them for their inability to

463
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:42.359
<v Speaker 1>solve the case. The letters came from several US cities,

464
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:46.559
<v Speaker 1>suggesting someone who moved frequently or was deliberately trying to

465
00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:50.480
<v Speaker 1>obscure their location. In the new year, crimestoppers ran a

466
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:54.039
<v Speaker 1>report on the unsolved murders, hoping to generate fresh leads,

467
00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:57.839
<v Speaker 1>but time pressed forward and the case grew colder with

468
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:04.559
<v Speaker 1>each passing month. The months eventually dragged into years. The

469
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:08.640
<v Speaker 1>letters continued. The families received an average of one per

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00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:12.880
<v Speaker 1>month for an entire year. Sometimes they were signed Tanya

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00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:17.920
<v Speaker 1>or Jay, a particularly cruel touch seeing their children's names

472
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.880
<v Speaker 1>scrawled by the hand of someone claiming to have killed them.

473
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Detectives weren't sure whether the letters were genuinely from the

474
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:28.759
<v Speaker 1>killer or from someone else, perhaps a transient who traveled

475
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:31.039
<v Speaker 1>along the West coast and had read about the case,

476
00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:34.720
<v Speaker 1>someone disturbed enough to torment graving families for their own

477
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:39.920
<v Speaker 1>twisted satisfaction. In October of nineteen eighty nine, nearly two

478
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:43.200
<v Speaker 1>years after the murders, Unsolved Mysteries ran a segment on

479
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:49.039
<v Speaker 1>the case. Elliot Wirrell, the Sheriff's offices public information officer,

480
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:54.200
<v Speaker 1>admitted the frustrating truth detectives really have been unable to

481
00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:57.319
<v Speaker 1>determine the exact movements of the pair and whoever they

482
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:00.319
<v Speaker 1>may have been in contact with. They don't know whether

483
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:04.759
<v Speaker 1>they picked someone up. For the first time publicly, detectives

484
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:08.759
<v Speaker 1>shared their working theory of what happened. They believed that

485
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:12.319
<v Speaker 1>Tanya and Jay were killed by a serial killer, someone

486
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:16.599
<v Speaker 1>who had come well equipped, carrying his own surgical gloves, septies,

487
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:20.440
<v Speaker 1>and a gun. They believed the motive was sexual and

488
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:22.200
<v Speaker 1>that he had made up his mind when he saw

489
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:27.359
<v Speaker 1>them somewhere in or around Seattle. One detective said, we

490
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:30.039
<v Speaker 1>spent a lot of time on the ferry, going back

491
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:32.920
<v Speaker 1>and forth and showing pictures of the two, but we

492
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:37.079
<v Speaker 1>couldn't find anybody who saw them. Detectives also believed that

493
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:40.279
<v Speaker 1>the killer was taunting them by dumping items underneath the

494
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:45.079
<v Speaker 1>tavern porch near the Bellingham bus station. The ID card,

495
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:49.880
<v Speaker 1>the van cays, the ammunition, the gloves. It was a message.

496
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Under Sheriff rom Panzero said, the obvious thing he's telling

497
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:57.680
<v Speaker 1>us is that here you can have the gloves. You're

498
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:01.359
<v Speaker 1>not going to find any prints, have the bullets and shells,

499
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:05.119
<v Speaker 1>because you're not going to find the gun. He revealed

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00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:07.359
<v Speaker 1>for the first time that A fine coating of talcon

501
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:11.559
<v Speaker 1>powder had been found inside the glove. The killer knew

502
00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:14.480
<v Speaker 1>that the powder would make it almost impossible to lift

503
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:21.000
<v Speaker 1>fingerprints from the latex surface. Panzero continued, we did everything

504
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:24.000
<v Speaker 1>we knew to the gloves, fumed them, and lazered them,

505
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:28.119
<v Speaker 1>but we found no prints. Sergeant Rick Borr wasn't entirely

506
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:31.840
<v Speaker 1>convinced by the serial killer theory. He instead believed that

507
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:35.760
<v Speaker 1>two people were involved. He said, they got Jay away

508
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:39.119
<v Speaker 1>from Tanya and killed Jay. I don't believe Tanya knew

509
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:41.719
<v Speaker 1>that Jay was being killed. I don't think they wanted

510
00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:44.239
<v Speaker 1>her to know. They killed him away from the van

511
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:48.800
<v Speaker 1>and dragged him into the bush. Further, both investigators believed

512
00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:51.559
<v Speaker 1>that a gun wasn't used on Jay because the killer

513
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:54.039
<v Speaker 1>or killers didn't want Tanya to know he was dead.

514
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:57.079
<v Speaker 1>They wanted to give the impression that he'd been left

515
00:34:57.119 --> 00:35:01.039
<v Speaker 1>alive in the brush, that maybe there was still still

516
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:06.119
<v Speaker 1>a chance she might survive if she cooperated. Sergeant Bart added,

517
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:10.679
<v Speaker 1>he died slow. Whoever did it didn't show much mercy.

518
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:16.280
<v Speaker 1>It was very sloppy. There was another disturbing detail. Jay's

519
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:19.800
<v Speaker 1>body had been found inside of the Washington State Reformatory,

520
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:25.679
<v Speaker 1>Honor Form, a medium security prison. Detective Ron Perniasso said,

521
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:29.199
<v Speaker 1>the way he dropped Jay off near the prison Honor Form,

522
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:33.320
<v Speaker 1>this guy's telling us things. There's a good possibility he

523
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:37.079
<v Speaker 1>has done this before, and he has probably served time before.

524
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<v Speaker 1>It was the kind of criminal signature that suggested confidence,

525
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:47.559
<v Speaker 1>even arrogance. Someone knew how law enforcement worked, someone who

526
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:49.760
<v Speaker 1>wanted them to know. He was smart enough to get

527
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:54.519
<v Speaker 1>away with it, but knowing that didn't help them catch him.

528
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:58.280
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't until March of ninety ninety the detectives got

529
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:02.679
<v Speaker 1>their first handible lead. Tanya's stolen Camra lens was found

530
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:06.639
<v Speaker 1>in an Oregon pawnchop. It should have been a promising development,

531
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:11.760
<v Speaker 1>but the trail quickly grew complicated. Detectives learned it was

532
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:14.000
<v Speaker 1>the second time the lens had been pawned in the

533
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:17.880
<v Speaker 1>same area. The first time had been within six months

534
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:20.840
<v Speaker 1>of the murders. They were only made aware of it

535
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:24.159
<v Speaker 1>after the serial number was entered into the National Crime

536
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Information sent their computer. From there, they hit another dead end.

537
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:33.599
<v Speaker 1>Six months later, detectives turned their attention to suspected serial

538
00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:38.599
<v Speaker 1>killer Charles Sinclair. He was being held in Alaska awaiting

539
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:42.199
<v Speaker 1>extradition to Billings, Montana, where he was charged with the

540
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:47.639
<v Speaker 1>murders of Charles Barbot and Catherine Newstrom. Charles owned a

541
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:52.599
<v Speaker 1>coin shop in Billings and Catherine was his assistant. Sinclair

542
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:55.760
<v Speaker 1>was suspected of killing up to twelve people, and crucially,

543
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:59.320
<v Speaker 1>he had been living about twenty kilometers from Bellingham, close

544
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:02.159
<v Speaker 1>to where Tanya was killed at the time of the murders.

545
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:07.320
<v Speaker 1>The families were hopeful. William stated there's more than a

546
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:10.719
<v Speaker 1>fifty percent chance it's him. I want this thing finished

547
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:13.239
<v Speaker 1>so we can make a new beginning. At least we

548
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:15.760
<v Speaker 1>can come to the end of a long, dark tunnel.

549
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:19.880
<v Speaker 1>But in the end, detectives couldn't find any connection between

550
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Sinclair and the murders of Tanya and Jay. However, he

551
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:27.559
<v Speaker 1>remained the leads suspect in the disappearances of Robert and

552
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Dagmore Linton, who was mentioned earlier. He'd been using the

553
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Elias Robert Linton, and a clarinet found in his home

554
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:40.440
<v Speaker 1>linked back to the Linton stolen credit cards. Unfortunately, however,

555
00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:44.559
<v Speaker 1>no convictions ever claim. Charles Sinclair died of a heart

556
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:48.159
<v Speaker 1>attack in jail on the thirtieth of October ninety ninety

557
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:53.039
<v Speaker 1>The years continued to drag past. In January of nineteen

558
00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:55.320
<v Speaker 1>ninety six, it was announced that detectives were turning to

559
00:37:55.400 --> 00:37:59.679
<v Speaker 1>a new technology. DNA's asking had advanced significantly over the

560
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:03.920
<v Speaker 1>DECKAD DNA and semen had been discovered on Tanya's black

561
00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:06.639
<v Speaker 1>pants in the van and on her body, but there

562
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:09.639
<v Speaker 1>had been no technology back then to do the DNA

563
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:13.719
<v Speaker 1>patterning that was required now. The DNA was retrieved and

564
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:18.920
<v Speaker 1>detectives began monitoring databases in Washington, Oregon, and California, hoping

565
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:23.519
<v Speaker 1>for a match. No match came, However, the DNA testing

566
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:27.280
<v Speaker 1>did answer one lingering question. The profile didn't match the

567
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:30.000
<v Speaker 1>DNA from the letters that had been sent to the families.

568
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:34.639
<v Speaker 1>That meant that the letters were indeed a hoax, just

569
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<v Speaker 1>as some investigators had suspected. Detectives asked the letter writer

570
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:43.360
<v Speaker 1>to come forward before the families knew that ten years

571
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:47.639
<v Speaker 1>had passed since the murders. Jay's father, Gordon said at

572
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:51.519
<v Speaker 1>the anniversary, I keep hoping something will turn up, but

573
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:54.719
<v Speaker 1>you have to be realistic. After ten years, I think

574
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:59.599
<v Speaker 1>we're continuing to deal with it. Tragically, Tania's father, Williem,

575
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:02.119
<v Speaker 1>died from a stroke on the fourteenth of May nineteen

576
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:06.920
<v Speaker 1>ninety six. He was sixty two years old. Friend said

577
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:10.360
<v Speaker 1>that he never recovered from his daughter's murder. He'd spent

578
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:14.480
<v Speaker 1>nearly a decade searching for answers, putting up posters, driving

579
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:18.800
<v Speaker 1>through Seattle neighborhoods, carrying photographs of Tanya wherever he went.

580
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:33.960
<v Speaker 1>He died without ever knowing who killed his daughter. The

581
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:37.679
<v Speaker 1>next year, the FBI established a national DNA bank. The

582
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:41.280
<v Speaker 1>killer's DNA was uploaded, but detectives hit another brick wall

583
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:44.639
<v Speaker 1>when no match came back. That meant that the killer

584
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:48.440
<v Speaker 1>hadn't been arrested for another crime since the murders. In

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<v Speaker 1>August of twenty ten, detectives finally tracked on the person

586
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:54.559
<v Speaker 1>who had sent the letters, and it wasn't the killer.

587
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:58.079
<v Speaker 1>It was a mentally ill Canadian man who was now

588
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<v Speaker 1>in his seventies. He had been identified after detectives released

589
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:06.159
<v Speaker 1>more information about the letters. A man in Canada had

590
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:10.440
<v Speaker 1>recognized the handwriting and called police. The letter writer had

591
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:13.239
<v Speaker 1>been a transient man who had roamed between Canada and

592
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:17.679
<v Speaker 1>Washington for decades. He'd lived on the streets, disconnected from

593
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:22.719
<v Speaker 1>family and community, nursing grievances that had festered into something cruel.

594
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:27.679
<v Speaker 1>He admitted descending the letters and was said to be apologetic.

595
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:31.119
<v Speaker 1>He revealed that he had once even called Jay's father

596
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:35.440
<v Speaker 1>with the intention of apologizing, but couldn't reach him. He

597
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:37.199
<v Speaker 1>said he had read about the murders and was at

598
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:39.719
<v Speaker 1>a low point in his life and wanted to lash out.

599
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:42.760
<v Speaker 1>He was angry about how he had been treated by

600
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:47.400
<v Speaker 1>his fellow Canadians. The statute of limitations had passed, so

601
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:51.719
<v Speaker 1>the man was never publicly identified and never charged. He

602
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:56.159
<v Speaker 1>had tormented Graving families for years, adding an extra layer

603
00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:59.719
<v Speaker 1>of pain to their loss, and there was no legal recourse.

604
00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:05.039
<v Speaker 1>The years continued to pass, the case grew colder with

605
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:08.760
<v Speaker 1>each one. Detectives had everything they needed to solve it.

606
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:13.599
<v Speaker 1>They had DNA, they just needed a match. They didn't

607
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:24.719
<v Speaker 1>know it, but a breakthrough was finally coming. By twenty eighteen,

608
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<v Speaker 1>DNA technology had advanced even further. A composite sketch of

609
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.840
<v Speaker 1>the suspect was created through a process called snapshot DNA

610
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:39.519
<v Speaker 1>phenotyping by parabonde aanolobs. DNA phenotyping analyzes pieces of DNA

611
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<v Speaker 1>code to predict a person's appearance, including eye color, skin tone,

612
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:48.679
<v Speaker 1>hair color, facial features and ancestry. The sketch was released

613
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<v Speaker 1>by the Snowhomish County Sheriff's Department during a Facebook livestream.

614
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<v Speaker 1>The composite showed what the killer might have looked like

615
00:41:56.400 --> 00:41:59.480
<v Speaker 1>at the ages twenty five, forty five, and sixty five.

616
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<v Speaker 1>It depicted a white man with fair hair and green

617
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<v Speaker 1>or hazel eyes. Jay's sister Laura made a public appeal.

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<v Speaker 1>If these new pictures that this amazing new technology created

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<v Speaker 1>triggers a memory you had, perhaps of someone who said

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<v Speaker 1>something odd that lived in or near the Snawhomish area

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<v Speaker 1>or even Vancouver in late nineteen eighty seven, please for

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<v Speaker 1>the sake of my brother Jay, Tanya and all of

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<v Speaker 1>our families call it in. But in the end, it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't the sketch that led to a suspect. It was DNA.

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<v Speaker 1>Just days after the composite sketch was released, fifty five

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<v Speaker 1>year old William Earl Talbot was arrested and charged with

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<v Speaker 1>the murders of Tanya and Jay. The suspect's DNA was

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<v Speaker 1>uploaded to the public website geed match by parabomb. The

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<v Speaker 1>website contained about one million genetic profiles that people had

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<v Speaker 1>uploaded after having their DNA analyzed by companies like twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three in me. Ged Match had updated its privacy policy

632
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<v Speaker 1>following the Golden State killer case to explicitly state that

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement could access a person's profile to solve murder

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<v Speaker 1>and sexual assault cases. Privacy advocates had expressed concerns about

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<v Speaker 1>whether such techniques violated rights or whether their use by

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement should be restricted. Genetic genealogists C. C. Moore

637
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<v Speaker 1>built family trees using people who shared promising amounts of

638
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<v Speaker 1>DNA with the suspect. Two close matches were discovered from

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<v Speaker 1>people who had married and produced only one son. She

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<v Speaker 1>then used a process called reverse genealogy, where researchers look

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<v Speaker 1>for living matches that fit DNA profiles. They were led

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<v Speaker 1>to William Earl Talbot. Talbot was put under surveillance. Detectives

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<v Speaker 1>collected the DNA sample from a cup he had used.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a match. After more than thirty years, they

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<v Speaker 1>had found the killer. When he was stopped to be arrested,

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<v Speaker 1>Talbot refused to hand over his identification. At first, he

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't even turn around or put his hands behind his back,

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<v Speaker 1>but eventually he complied. Back in nineteen eighty seven, William

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<v Speaker 1>Earl Talbot had been a twenty four year old delivery

650
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<v Speaker 1>driver in Seattle. One of his routes at the time

651
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:27.280
<v Speaker 1>went along sixth Avenue South in Sodo, a destination that

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya and Jay apparently had in mind. He had lived

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<v Speaker 1>in the Woodinville area of Washington State, and his parents'

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<v Speaker 1>home was about ten kilometers away from where Jay's body

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<v Speaker 1>had been found. According to a friend of Talbot's at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, he recalled seeing a distinctive van at the

657
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Talbot home that year. This friend also recalled seeing a

658
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<v Speaker 1>blue blanket in his car, similar to the one found

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<v Speaker 1>with Jay's body. Some people described Talbot as a hard

660
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<v Speaker 1>worker and a kind man. Not everybody saw him that way,

661
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<v Speaker 1>Michael said. A former roommate said that Talbot had a

662
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<v Speaker 1>tumultuous relationship with his father. He'd once gotten into a

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<v Speaker 1>fight with his sister and broke her arm. He was

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<v Speaker 1>said to be like a jackal in hide when he

665
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<v Speaker 1>drank alcohol. Another person described him as a scammer who

666
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<v Speaker 1>was good at lying, and crucially, he was known to hitchhike.

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<v Speaker 1>William Earl Talbot pleaded not guilty to the murder charges

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<v Speaker 1>against him. Prosecutors announced that they wouldn't be seeking the

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<v Speaker 1>death penalty. The state Supreme Court had ruled that Washington's

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<v Speaker 1>death penalty law was unconstitutional. The murder trial began on

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<v Speaker 1>June fourteenth, twenty to nineteen, more than thirty one years

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<v Speaker 1>after Tanya and Jay's murders. Prosecutor Justin Harlman led out

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<v Speaker 1>the details of the case, describing Tanya and Jay's ill

674
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<v Speaker 1>fated trip. The lights were turned on low so the

675
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:05.519
<v Speaker 1>jury could see the photographs of the couple smiling, alive,

676
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<v Speaker 1>full of potential. Then they saw the copper Ford club

677
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:13.559
<v Speaker 1>wagon that Jay had been driving, and finally the photographs

678
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<v Speaker 1>of their discarded bodies. Prosecutor Hollman said, this is a

679
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<v Speaker 1>case about two lives lost far too young, and two

680
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<v Speaker 1>extremely violent acts. The evidence in this case will show

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<v Speaker 1>you that there is only one reasonably possible perpetrator of

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<v Speaker 1>those acts. Talbot's defense attorney, John Scott told the jury

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<v Speaker 1>in his opening statements that the presence of his client's

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<v Speaker 1>DNA didn't make him a killer. I have re offered

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<v Speaker 1>no explanation of how the DNA got there. He described

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<v Speaker 1>his client as a blue collar guy who worked in

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<v Speaker 1>construction and as a truck driver. He said that Talbot

688
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<v Speaker 1>had lived a quiet and unremarkable life. He said to

689
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<v Speaker 1>the jury, the evidence doesn't tell us anything. We know

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<v Speaker 1>at some point during that time they were killed. We

691
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<v Speaker 1>don't know how, We know the means of their death,

692
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<v Speaker 1>but we don't know the context. The jury heard testimony

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<v Speaker 1>from Tanya and Jay's family members before testimony turned to

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence. It was revealed that in a draft report

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty eighteen, a forensic scientist named Angela Hilliard had

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<v Speaker 1>ruled Talbot out as a possible match for a handprint

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<v Speaker 1>found in Jay's van. She then realized she'd been looking

698
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<v Speaker 1>at one of the samples upside down, changed her opinion

699
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<v Speaker 1>and said that it was Talbot's hand. She explained, Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>it's because I'm human. Sometimes you just don't see things

701
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<v Speaker 1>at the time. You're evaluating and looking, and you can

702
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<v Speaker 1>search and search and search, and sometimes you just don't

703
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<v Speaker 1>find it. My original opinion was wrong, and the new

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<v Speaker 1>information and data showed that the information was indeed there.

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<v Speaker 1>The jury heard about the DNA evidence and how it

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<v Speaker 1>was connected to Talbot all those years later. The odds

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<v Speaker 1>of a random match were one in one hundred and

708
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<v Speaker 1>eighty Quadrillion. They also heard from Michael Sayat, Talbot's one

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<v Speaker 1>time roommate. He said that Talbot was familiar with the

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<v Speaker 1>fields where Jay's body was found, and that his mother

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<v Speaker 1>had a dark room about seven miles away. It was

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<v Speaker 1>used to develop photography, and Talbot had an interest in photography.

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<v Speaker 1>He said Tanya's camera had been stolen and never recovered,

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<v Speaker 1>although the lens had appeared in a pawnshop years later.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael admitted he had never seen Talbot with a gun

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<v Speaker 1>and had never heard him talk about guns. He said

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<v Speaker 1>that Talbot declined invitations to shoot clay pigeons. Another roommate,

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<v Speaker 1>Timothy Macpherson, said that Talbot didn't smoke cigarettes and that

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<v Speaker 1>he had never seen him with a camera, a blue blanket,

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<v Speaker 1>dog collars, or zip ties. The defense called only one witness,

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<v Speaker 1>a defense investigator, who answered questions for about ten minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Todd Reeves testified that Talbot's past driver's licenses showed an

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<v Speaker 1>address in Riverside and that he lived in Sea Tack

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<v Speaker 1>at the time of the arrest. That was it. During

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<v Speaker 1>closing arguments, prosecutor Matt Baldock dimmed the lights and projected

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<v Speaker 1>high school portraits of Tanya and Jay. He asked what

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<v Speaker 1>might their lives have looked like? Would they have traveled

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<v Speaker 1>the world? Would they have had children? He then said

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<v Speaker 1>these are all questions that their family and friends have

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<v Speaker 1>asked more than once in the softer moments, But there

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<v Speaker 1>are also questions that they have asked over and over

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<v Speaker 1>again over the past thirty one years, questions that framed

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<v Speaker 1>their grief and their loss. Did they know they were

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<v Speaker 1>going to die? Did they suffer? Defense attorney Rachel Ford

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<v Speaker 1>said during her closing arguments that Talbot Seaman could have

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<v Speaker 1>ended up with the crime scenes from consensual sex. She

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<v Speaker 1>said that police had developed tunnel vision over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>clearing people as suspects because their DNA didn't match the

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<v Speaker 1>DNA in the van or on Tanya's body. She said

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<v Speaker 1>they never stopped to consider that perhaps the person who

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<v Speaker 1>left the DNA was not the murderer. She noted that

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<v Speaker 1>in the ninety nineties, Talbot had rented a room from

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<v Speaker 1>a police officer. She then said, someone who has just

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<v Speaker 1>brutally murdered two people and gone undetected would not rent

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<v Speaker 1>a room from a police officer. He just wouldn't. The

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<v Speaker 1>jury was sent off to deliberate. They found William Talbot

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<v Speaker 1>guilty of aggravated murder. When the verdict was announced, Tabot

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<v Speaker 1>looked surprised. He flinched and then gasped before he was

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<v Speaker 1>passed out of the courtroom in a wheelchair. After the verdict,

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya's brother John remarked, it's been such a long wait

751
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<v Speaker 1>for all of us. It feels great to have some answers.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have all the answers, but we have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more than we had thirty one years ago. After

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<v Speaker 1>the conviction, a lab report was unsealed that revealed even

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<v Speaker 1>more DNA evidence linking Talbot to the murders. His also

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<v Speaker 1>discovered on the zip ties of the crime scene. The

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<v Speaker 1>odds of a mismatch were one in ninety million. Before

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<v Speaker 1>the DNA had been far too complex and degraded for

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<v Speaker 1>a meaningful comparison, but since then the lab had started

760
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<v Speaker 1>using new software, the Cadizai, for individual profiles from a

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<v Speaker 1>mixed sample of several people. It was retested and came

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<v Speaker 1>back as a match to Talbot. William Talbot returned to

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<v Speaker 1>court on July twenty fourth to be sentenced. He addressed

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<v Speaker 1>the judge, telling her the level of violence in This

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<v Speaker 1>is something that I cannot comprehend. I've got all my

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<v Speaker 1>life as a passive person. He didn't explain how his

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<v Speaker 1>DNA ended up at the crime scenes. The judge then

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<v Speaker 1>handed him a sentence of life in prison without parole.

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<v Speaker 1>That should have been the end, but it wasn't. In

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<v Speaker 1>December of twenty twenty one, an appeals court overturned Talbot's conviction,

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<v Speaker 1>citing juror bias. They found that one of the jurors

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<v Speaker 1>should have been dismissed during jury selection because she said

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't know if she could be fair. She had

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<v Speaker 1>experience with violence against women and didn't know if she,

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<v Speaker 1>as a mother, could be unbiased. That juror was still selected.

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<v Speaker 1>The families were devastated. After thirty four years, justice had

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<v Speaker 1>finally been served, only to be snatched away on a technicality.

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<v Speaker 1>But a year later, the State Supreme Court reinstated the

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<v Speaker 1>murder conviction. They found that the defense had peremptory challenges available.

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<v Speaker 1>This meant they could have dismissed the juror, but they

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<v Speaker 1>had opted against it. William Earl Talbot remains in prison,

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<v Speaker 1>serving life without parole for more than three decades. Tanya

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<v Speaker 1>and Jay's families lived with unanswered questions. Tanya's father, Williem,

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<v Speaker 1>died without ever knowing who killed his daughter. Jay's parents

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<v Speaker 1>grew old, waiting for justice that seemed like it might

786
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<v Speaker 1>never come. The case went cold because detectives didn't care,

787
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<v Speaker 1>but because the technology didn't exist yet to match the

788
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<v Speaker 1>killer's DNA. The evidence was always there, preserved in a

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<v Speaker 1>crime lab, waiting for science to catch up. Tanya in

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<v Speaker 1>Jay's lives were stolen on a dark road in Washington

791
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<v Speaker 1>State by somebody they likely tried to help. The case

792
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<v Speaker 1>is closed now the killer's in prison, but the loss

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<v Speaker 1>remains permanent, irreversible, a wound that time can only dull,

794
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<v Speaker 1>never heal. Tanya and Jay deserved better than they got.

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<v Speaker 1>Their families deserved answers sooner than thirty one years. But

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<v Speaker 1>in the end, justice delayed, complicated, imperfect did come, and

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes that has to be enough. Well that is it

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<v Speaker 1>for this episode of Morbidology. As always, thank you so

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