WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:04.240 Little otis ready on your Spotify and rapped. You're You're 2 00:00:04.280 --> 00:00:06.240 surprising me all day. Like I said, I thought it 3 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:08.359 was gonna be a bunch of dudes either named Luke 4 00:00:08.480 --> 00:00:11.759 or Brian or Zach, but nothing. 5 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:14.279 Always some otis on my on my Spotify rap. 6 00:00:14.359 --> 00:00:18.280 I don't know it should surprise you, although there are 7 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:20.480 plenty of Willie's and Whyland's and the. 8 00:00:20.559 --> 00:00:22.480 Sort like no, I've just put you in a box, 9 00:00:22.519 --> 00:00:23.480 which is probably unfair. 10 00:00:23.519 --> 00:00:26.440 There's some Ray Charles, there's some Otis race that's also 11 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:27.039 down my own. 12 00:00:27.280 --> 00:00:30.920 Will Hardy's an Apple Music guy, you Needa, Mike on 13 00:00:31.399 --> 00:00:34.280 Uh and Chris Camradi's sitting across from me. That's kind 14 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:36.200 of an upset. I feel like you need like anti 15 00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:38.200 Apple music and more of a Spotify guy. 16 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:43.359 Spotify seems too hard because you have to like subscribe, 17 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:46.320 and I think I'm my grandfathered in with Apple stuff 18 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:49.960 because maybe because I get some sort of MLS packet. 19 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:50.359 I don't know. 20 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:54.079 Oh yes, well I'm one of the dudes that has both, okay, unnecessarily, 21 00:00:54.079 --> 00:00:56.560 and I do think it is because of both of 22 00:00:56.679 --> 00:00:59.000 us being a proud subscriber to the MLS channel. 23 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:01.079 We support, we support at our soccer league. We for 24 00:01:01.159 --> 00:01:01.600 sure we do. 25 00:01:01.840 --> 00:01:05.120 Certainly the lads. I will say that I think our 26 00:01:05.159 --> 00:01:08.879 guy Sam Stay School and Apple Television, the presentation is 27 00:01:09.040 --> 00:01:10.200 has been very very good. 28 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:12.760 I need to I haven't hit up Sam in a while. 29 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:14.959 Last time he's there, right yeah, oh yeah, yeah he 30 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:17.480 went to Japan, I know, like last month. But he 31 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:21.359 does a very good job. Miss miss him being my colleague. 32 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:24.519 But very talented kid. I always told him one day 33 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:26.200 I was going to like work for him. He was 34 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:28.359 going to be like a fortune five hundred guy Mark 35 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:32.519 Northwestern Business School kid, I mean, just way above my lead. 36 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:35.040 Should we do an hour on Apple TV and MLS 37 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:37.480 right now? How do you think that would be received? 38 00:01:37.519 --> 00:01:38.000 What is? 39 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:40.719 What are the ratings going to be between La Galaxy 40 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:42.439 and New York Red Bulls in the final? 41 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:43.159 Not great? 42 00:01:43.760 --> 00:01:46.400 Do you think less than five hundred thousand people will watch? 43 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:47.760 That's probably the number. 44 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:49.760 I was going to say, like three, yeah. 45 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:50.799 Yeah, that's probably the number. 46 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:52.000 Man. 47 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:54.319 We won't do a lot of MLS today. There are 48 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:57.000 other things going on. Do you real quick? Do you 49 00:01:57.079 --> 00:02:01.680 think oursel does anything? I can't? Is it Bogert, Tom 50 00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:04.480 Bogert or whatever? Trey of course tweets out everything with 51 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:07.280 RSL Okay, his whole assertion is run it back with 52 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:08.919 the young core. Do you think that's what happens? 53 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:12.800 Yeah, you need to find a goalkeeper, you do. It 54 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:15.319 has to be Gavin or you need to sell Gavin 55 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:19.360 overseas and then bring somebody else in. But and find 56 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:22.479 a complimentary center back who doesn't lose his cool every 57 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:23.319 yebour game. 58 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:24.319 No spitting at people. 59 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:24.639 Correct. 60 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:26.400 All right, Trey, You're welcome. There's your two minutes of 61 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:29.319 RSL talk on a Thursday in December when everyone wants 62 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:32.240 to talk football. All right, Chris, you know the tone 63 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:35.639 and tenor of the Utah football program. You're well aware 64 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:39.240 of the storylines. Zero for two on the offensive coordinator 65 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:42.120 front as of now, Jason Beck is a name that's 66 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:44.639 really making a lot of rounds today. I don't know, man, 67 00:02:44.680 --> 00:02:45.280 where are you at with it? 68 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:49.879 I guess I'll start by saying, the Utah football fan 69 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:52.960 base needs to take a step back and understand where 70 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:55.719 it sits in the landscape of college football. 71 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:57.240 And I say that because. 72 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:01.199 People that I know have been telling me that they 73 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:05.599 are upset that Utah got outbid or whatever by Texas 74 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:09.039 Tech for an offensive coordinator. We need to break this down, guys. 75 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:12.000 If you're a Utah football fan for the last twenty years, 76 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:15.560 you need to understand that the last twenty years of 77 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:18.360 Utah football compared to the last twenty years of Texas 78 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:22.319 Tech football are basically two polar opposites. Texas Tech football 79 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:24.680 for the last twenty years fifty sixty points a game, 80 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:28.639 allowing forty or fifty points a game, Utah football scoring 81 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:31.280 twenty points a game, allowing thirteen or fourteen points a game. 82 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:34.280 On the whole, it should not come as a surprise 83 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:38.759 that an offensive coordinator from Texas, who played college football 84 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:42.039 in Texas, who is currently an offensive coordinator in the 85 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:45.080 lone star lone star state would want to go be 86 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:49.479 the offensive coordinator at Texas Tech over Utah. Let's let's 87 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:52.599 put that out there, and I can't. I did my homework. 88 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:54.280 You always do. You always do. 89 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:57.479 Utah's offense top twenty in the country. How many times 90 00:03:57.520 --> 00:03:59.400 in the last twenty years has Utah been top twenty 91 00:03:59.439 --> 00:04:01.800 over all the other I would say twice, three times, 92 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:03.879 three times two out of those three years. 93 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:05.240 Who was the offensive coordinator? 94 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:06.319 Andy and Lowick? 95 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:10.479 The other one, Urban Meyer, Dan Lan dan Ball Texas Tech. 96 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:12.879 How many times top twenty offense since. 97 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:15.680 Two thousand I'm gonna guess twelve, third, eleven, eleven, yep. 98 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:19.120 How many thousand yard wide receivers has Utah had in 99 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:19.959 the last twenty years? 100 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:20.319 One? 101 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:24.600 Three, three, DRez he was the last one, David Reid 102 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:27.160 in two thousand and nine, Paris woar and O four ah. Yes, 103 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:30.639 how many thousand yard receivers have been at Texas Tech 104 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:35.199 since two thousand and four? More than twenty fifteen fifteen so. 105 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:37.879 That I know. 106 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:39.600 There are so many other data points that we can 107 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:42.240 point to, but that is the start and pretty much 108 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:47.040 end in terms of a conversation of what Utah's thought 109 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:49.839 to be from an offensive standpoint in college football. 110 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:51.759 It just is what it is. 111 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:54.600 And if you're talking about Texas Tech, yees, Yes, for 112 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:57.439 how many of those years was Mike Leech changing college football? 113 00:04:57.480 --> 00:04:59.360 A lot of them, but there are plenty of guys 114 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:01.839 who came after that. We're able to make Texas Tech 115 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:03.160 a top ten to twenty offense. 116 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:03.439 Yeah. 117 00:05:03.959 --> 00:05:08.120 So Utah football fans need to understand where they stand 118 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:10.720 in the landscape of things, and yes, it is an 119 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:14.279 uncomfortable situation that they're in right now between you know, 120 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:18.040 Morgan Scollen Kyle Whittingham. I understand that there's a lot 121 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:23.120 of stuff in play, but man, you lose out to Oklahoma, 122 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:26.720 which is fine, And I don't see losing out to 123 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:31.800 Texas Tech as as a huge indictment on the program. 124 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:34.600 It's just an indictment on what the offense has been 125 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:37.560 at Utah for twenty years. It's just been so up 126 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:37.959 and down. 127 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:40.199 Well, and to your point, it's not like, you know, 128 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:43.120 it's not like this is a gentleman. It's like Mac 129 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:46.920 Leftwich is from Draper. I mean, he wants to stay home. 130 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:49.959 It's easy to recruit Texas guys if you're in Texas, 131 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:55.079 especially Texas Tech that has historical precedent with being in 132 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:58.360 a tremendously successful offensive program like. 133 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:00.319 The Waalen and Nation of Teeth. Today has been a 134 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:02.560 little bit odd. I agree with you this. I said 135 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:04.639 this earlier opening tip. I know you're a fan. This 136 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:07.600 is not an indictment on Utah football and not stunned 137 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:09.560 that a Texas guy wanted to stay in Texas and 138 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:12.519 I'm sure they paid him. Just fine. Do you have 139 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:14.399 any names that you've heard that you think are a 140 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:16.680 natural fit, Like, how do you think this thing ends up? 141 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:19.319 I don't know. I know one guy who would have 142 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:20.680 been great. His name's Andy Ludwig. 143 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:25.439 Yeah, honestly, like I think I'm so like amongst the 144 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:28.680 things that Kyle and you know, everybody have done in 145 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:30.759 the last twenty years, I know they say that Andy 146 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:32.439 stepped away at his own volition. I have a very 147 00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:36.800 hard believing that that was is the most surprising thing 148 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:40.120 that I can remember happening under Kyle's tenures as head coach, 149 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:42.480 happening in the middle of the year when you have 150 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:47.439 a tremendous rash of injuries at the quarterback position. I 151 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:50.480 don't know who's a natural fit. I you know, Jason Beck, 152 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:53.959 who was a backup quarterback I think at BYU for Bronco, 153 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:56.879 Menden Hall, who now is the offensive coordinator for Bronco. 154 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:00.240 Menden Hall, what is a I guess I would turn 155 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:02.240 it on you, Spence and say, what is a natural 156 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:05.279 fit at this point? Because whoever this offensive coordinator will be, 157 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:08.160 I think will be the tenth offensive coordinator that Kyle 158 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:09.160 will have in twenty years. 159 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:10.040 That's a lot. 160 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:10.800 That's a lot. 161 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:14.279 Yeah, you know, I feel like I'm if somebody else 162 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:16.720 has talked about this, or somebody else has written about it. 163 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:18.959 I just simply haven't seen it or heard it. And 164 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:22.720 I know, once you taste the meals on NFL charters, 165 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:26.120 you want to live in that ecosystem. But according to 166 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:28.600 the numbers we saw earlier, Brian Johnson makes six hundred 167 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:30.680 and sixty thousand dollars a year, Coach Love, you're not 168 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:34.240 coming back, period. No coach Love made what two milk close. 169 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:35.759 To mil I think I think Andy was at one 170 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:36.000 to eight. 171 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:39.120 Okay, so essentially you're still tripling your salary. Yeah, but 172 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:43.319 Jayden Daniels is awesome passing game coordinator, assistant head coach 173 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:47.720 in Washington, and I tend to side with it. Was 174 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:49.519 like the old Alex Jensen is going to take the 175 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:52.879 Utah job. I'm like two the NBA man, Once you're there, 176 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:55.000 you don't want to deal with college at all. And 177 00:07:55.160 --> 00:07:57.759 maybe Brian simply does not want to deal with college 178 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:00.879 football at all. Maybe he views his spot with Washington 179 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:03.360 with a great young quarterback as a natural path to 180 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:05.639 maybe being his own head coach at some point. But 181 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:07.680 do you make the phone call? At least do you 182 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:08.439 kick the tires? 183 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:09.519 I don't think so. 184 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:15.319 I don't know what the how the relationship ended when 185 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:18.279 when he left for I think he left for Mississippi 186 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:21.959 State Corrector and he was the quarterback coach for Dak Prescott. 187 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:28.439 The job, the existence is so much more difficult and 188 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:31.879 draining and taxing now compared to what it was. And 189 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:34.200 you know, for two million dollars, is it worth it 190 00:08:34.279 --> 00:08:34.759 to some people? 191 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:35.200 Probably? 192 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:38.799 Is it worth it to Brian Johnson? Maybe, But you're 193 00:08:38.840 --> 00:08:42.720 working for Cliff Kingsbury. You're probably going to get another 194 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:45.919 shot at being an offensive coordinator in the NFL, which is, 195 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:49.200 you know, more prestigious and easier life and job for 196 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:52.320 yourself and your family. In college football, now you are 197 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:54.720 recruiting your own play. You're trying to get your guys 198 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:57.320 to sign a one year contract every single year. 199 00:08:57.799 --> 00:08:58.639 That is exhausting. 200 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:02.200 And I'm not saying, like you know, I'm not knocking it, 201 00:09:02.759 --> 00:09:05.440 but that is the reality that you know, these coaches 202 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:08.480 face now. And I don't know, does Brian Johnson want 203 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:12.080 to drop everything? I mean, he's cultivated in the NFL 204 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:14.960 the last few years to come back to call plays 205 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:17.519 for a guy that he knows really well. And yes, 206 00:09:17.799 --> 00:09:20.039 you know, Brian was thrust into it at a very 207 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:22.879 young age, and you can probably make an argument that 208 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:25.440 it was too young at the time and he probably 209 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:29.879 had a lot more to learn, But I just it's hard. 210 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:30.080 Man. 211 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:34.759 Listen, Kyle Whittingham is, you know, a legend, and we 212 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:37.279 can throw throw out all those adjectives that you want. 213 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:39.679 He's are in the statue, He's earned the name of 214 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:41.399 the stadium, whatever you want to give it to him. 215 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:45.200 But the offense has been a thorn in his side 216 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:48.000 and it has been for twenty years. There's a reason 217 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:50.799 why there's going to be ten offensive play callers. I 218 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:55.360 think Kyle is the type of guy that wants everything 219 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:57.480 but also nothing at the same time. And by that, 220 00:09:57.600 --> 00:10:00.799 I mean he wants a mobile quarterback. He wants to 221 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:03.159 be able to control the game on the ground. He 222 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:05.519 wants a great offensive line. He wants to be a 223 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:08.799 spread style offense, but not throw it too much. So 224 00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:12.240 how are you going to recruit wide receivers who don't 225 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:14.200 get the ball that much to play in a spread offense. 226 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:17.759 It's difficult. And then our guy Porter Spence, you guys 227 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:19.679 are twelve thirteen fourteen personnel guys. 228 00:10:19.879 --> 00:10:20.399 Oh you know it. 229 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:22.559 Utah is going to play with nineteen tight ends. That 230 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:24.519 means you're not going to be able to recruit wide 231 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:30.000 receivers to come play for you. Everything came together for 232 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:32.399 Utah in twenty one and twenty two because they had 233 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:35.600 a great quarterback, they had an impressive running back room, 234 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:39.519 and they had a good defense, and they had before Brancohert, 235 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:42.879 they had two NFL tight ends. Yeah, but now you're 236 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:45.799 basically looking at a total rebuild with a head coach 237 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:48.120 and head coach in waiting. Situation that is up in 238 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:52.600 the air. Quarterback room, you need a starter. Starter's not there. 239 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:55.200 You don't have a running back one. You don't have 240 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:58.720 many wide receivers coming back. Brand Keith he's not coming back. 241 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:00.159 I know. I know. 242 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:02.120 State run media Utah is going to tell you that 243 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:04.639 the next big guy is already in the room, But 244 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:06.639 you have to see it on the field, man, You 245 00:11:06.840 --> 00:11:10.120 just have to see it on the field. College football now, 246 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:12.120 Spence isn't a place where it's like the NFL. The 247 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:15.440 off season is almost more exciting and more like tantalizing 248 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:17.399 than the actual season for a lot of fans because 249 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:19.919 they get so amped up. It's now such a day 250 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:23.360 to day conversation. Whereas it used to be Bowl Gay 251 00:11:23.440 --> 00:11:26.919 Men's everyone goes home till spring, till spring ball or 252 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:30.360 off season. You know, lifting, springball happens, it ends, everyone 253 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:32.399 goes home, they come back for summer conditioning, the fall 254 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:35.080 camp starts, so on and so forth. Now it's you know, 255 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:39.799 players are posting utah ANIMI I'm coming back, which is, 256 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:42.240 you know, great for the program, but fans are kind 257 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:44.200 of waiting at baited breath to see who's going to 258 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:47.720 come back basically every single day, which is the anflication 259 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:48.600 of college football. 260 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:50.879 Yeah, it's tough. It's tough, and I don't think the 261 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:53.960 answer under center is in that room right now, unless 262 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:59.759 and less Christopher ye Cam Rising, who decides that you 263 00:11:59.799 --> 00:12:01.919 want to come back. So, if we take Kyle at 264 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:03.840 his word what he has said to the media is 265 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:07.279 this is Cameron's choice. What do you think Kyle does 266 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:10.200 if he gets a phone call and Cam says, hey, 267 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:12.120 I got to talk to you and rolls into Coach 268 00:12:12.159 --> 00:12:15.120 WIT's office and says, hey, got some ANIL money, so 269 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:17.279 I feel good about it, and I've decided to come 270 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:19.360 back for one more year. What do you think Kyle says? 271 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:22.600 Does he just open the door, like he said he would, 272 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:23.240 it's his choice. 273 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:27.159 I mean, I think if you're Kyle and if you're Utah, 274 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:32.000 you have to see how Cam is physically. I mean, obviously, 275 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:34.000 if Cam's going to make that decision, in theory he 276 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:36.320 feels good about where he's at. But that's a big 277 00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:39.159 if right now. I mean, the guy has had, you know, 278 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:43.320 a tremendous amount of bad luck injury wise, but he's 279 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:44.240 going to be twenty. 280 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:49.159 Six next year. What do what are the other quarterback options? 281 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:52.200 Like, if we've learned anything about the last two years, 282 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:56.000 if Cam comes back, it's going to be tremendously difficult 283 00:12:56.480 --> 00:13:00.679 to recruit another starting caliber quarterback with it experience to 284 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:02.039 come in and compete with Cam. 285 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:04.679 And maybe that's what it is. Maybe that's Kyle's answer. 286 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:06.840 Yeah, we're gonna go out to the portal and we're 287 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:09.480 gonna spend a million dollars on another kid to come 288 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:10.240 in and compete with you. 289 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:12.240 And are you okay with that? That's what I think 290 00:13:12.279 --> 00:13:12.960 he would say. 291 00:13:12.919 --> 00:13:16.799 Yeah, And I think that's probably the wise course of 292 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:20.519 action because the other thing that's been very obvious despite 293 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:24.440 all of the conversation around the market, that they were 294 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:27.840 better suited this time around should Cameron go down. They weren't. 295 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:31.000 They weren't ready. They weren't ready last year. Brandon Rose 296 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:33.000 got hurt last year. We always have to bring that up. 297 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:35.399 It wasn't just Cam, it was Brandon. But they weren't 298 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:38.320 ready last year, and then they just should have known 299 00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:41.720 better that they needed better contingency plans in place should 300 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:43.679 Cameron go down. Because the other thing I didn't buy 301 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:45.960 is well, we coached him differently and he's gonna play No, 302 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:48.960 he's not gonna play differently like the whole like he's 303 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:50.919 gonna play safer last for a game and a half 304 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:52.960 and then suddenly we're talking about the same thing. So 305 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:55.679 even if Cam comes back CK to your point, I 306 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:59.039 do think a veteran QB who has some skin in 307 00:13:59.080 --> 00:14:01.639 the game that you're comfortable with also need to be 308 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:03.759 added to the room based off of what we've seen 309 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:04.639 on the field, and. 310 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:10.679 Which veteran quarterback who has the established statistical background to 311 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:14.320 prove that he can compete against Caim wants to Does 312 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:16.360 that person even want to come to it. So that's 313 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.879 that's the ultimate question, because I think most logical quarterbacks 314 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:24.200 would say Cam will have the inside track. He is 315 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:26.519 beloved in the locker room, beloved by the fan base, 316 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:29.840 beloved by the coaching staff. If I come in, I'm 317 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:32.759 going to have basically everything going against me, So is 318 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:35.519 it worth it? But then you talk about the offensive 319 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:40.000 coordinator higher like, does this new offensive coordinator, whoever he is, 320 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:42.639 does he want to bring a quarterback with him? What 321 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:45.840 type of style of football does he want to play? 322 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:48.320 It's the layers to this are tremendously deep. 323 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:52.519 And let's if we operate off the hypothetical that Cameron 324 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:56.320 does decide to come back and Kyle adds a veteran 325 00:14:56.440 --> 00:14:59.679 QB via the portal. Does Isaac bounce? Is he gone? 326 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:00.399 Does he leap? 327 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:03.799 I mean, like you that you can't. You can't fall 328 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:07.080 any kid for getting into the portal anymore for any reason, 329 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:10.039 because that's the reality of the game now. But I 330 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:14.120 think with with Isaac last year, this is just my opinion. 331 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:18.720 I think a lot of it was maybe over compensating 332 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:22.200 for missing out on Zach. Seeing Zach tear it up 333 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:26.200 at your rival. Go to the NFL, and you have 334 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:29.840 to keep highly recruited quarterbacks happy for as long as 335 00:15:29.919 --> 00:15:33.159 you can. So like I think Isaac was their highest 336 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:35.799 recruited quarterback out of high school since like Jack Tuttle 337 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:38.759 like seven years ago. I mean, I'm sure it was 338 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:41.120 neck and neck between he and Brandon rosen Camp. But like, 339 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:44.200 if you believe that Isaac Wilson is the future, like 340 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:47.080 you're gonna give it to the guy who you believe 341 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:48.200 and want to keep happy. 342 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:50.679 Yeah, that can lead you there. But again you got 343 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:53.279 to see. I mean we talked. We were outside Smiths 344 00:15:53.320 --> 00:15:56.600 in like September. It was after the Oklahoma stake. It 345 00:15:56.679 --> 00:15:57.120 was amazing. 346 00:15:57.200 --> 00:16:01.039 I was in shorts and hippie sandals and it was amazing. 347 00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:03.679 We had that like cool gold Corona cooler or something 348 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:07.360 we were giving away nicely. And I said, like, Isaac 349 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:11.000 is gonna take his lumps eventually, man, And like I'm 350 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:14.159 not patting myself on the back. You just have to 351 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:17.799 be realistic. College football does not is not run by 352 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:21.120 true freshman quarterbacks. How many true freshman quarterbacks in the 353 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:24.480 last twenty years have we been blown away by that 354 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:28.120 eventually lead Like maybe they get there eventually, like Trevor Lawrence, 355 00:16:28.159 --> 00:16:30.000 I guess is like the one that comes to mind. 356 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:30.559 I get. 357 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:32.200 I don't even know if Tua was. It was a 358 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:34.279 true freshman when he stepped in for Jalen Hurts. But 359 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:36.759 like that was like the end of the season. I'm 360 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:40.159 just saying, man, like Utah has to figure out it's 361 00:16:40.360 --> 00:16:42.480 it's quarterback room and needs to figure out it's so see, 362 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:46.279 the running back room to me is like probably one 363 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:49.440 C because like, if you're going to be good, if 364 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:51.559 you're going to be a good Utah offense, you have 365 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:53.840 to have somebody who can rush for a thousand yards. Yeah, 366 00:16:54.039 --> 00:16:57.480 and McKay Bernard got there. He was their most most 367 00:16:57.480 --> 00:17:00.320 important and best player this year. But there's there was 368 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:02.440 no depth there and they have to be able to 369 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:03.320 cultivate that again. 370 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:05.119 All right, last thing, then we'll catch a break. We'll 371 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:07.759 do another segment coming up on the other side. You 372 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:11.519 reference the I don't know, awkward dynamic right now with 373 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:15.000 Kyle and Morgan and coach and coach and waiting. The 374 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:18.279 way I'm reading this, the tea leaves are is I 375 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:21.960 should say, because there's been no announcement, I believe Kyle's 376 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:24.319 coming back. He's a coach under contract. You don't need 377 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:26.440 a press conference when you're a coach under contract. You're 378 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:30.440 just doing your job. Utah Football releases a recruiting video yesterday. 379 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:33.279 There's coach wait at his desk doing the work. Do 380 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:35.359 you read it the same? Do you believe because there 381 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:38.079 has Because Kyle doesn't strike me as a wishy, washy guy, 382 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:39.759 Like if he knew he was done, I think he 383 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:42.200 would tell everybody and just bounce where are you at 384 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:44.200 right now? In that dynamic, I agree with you. 385 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:48.960 The one example I would point to is when Nick 386 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:51.880 Saban retired. It came out of nowhere, like in January. 387 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:53.640 And I know Alabama had a playoff run, so I 388 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:54.759 know that's a little different. 389 00:17:55.519 --> 00:17:56.079 But like. 390 00:17:57.559 --> 00:18:00.640 I'm just painting a hypothetical here saying this is his 391 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:03.200 train of thought. But if they get through the next 392 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:07.519 few weeks and hire somebody that Kyle is really stoked on, 393 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:09.920 and a guy who can bring in a, you know, 394 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:13.400 a high profile quarterback, maybe that only balloons his desire 395 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:16.599 to come back. If not, if we get to the 396 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:18.720 middle of end of January and they don't have like 397 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:21.160 a quarterback in place and Cam decides to go elsewhere, 398 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:25.319 I mean, it would it would be easy for Kyle 399 00:18:25.359 --> 00:18:28.839 to say maybe maybe it's time. Yeah, But again to 400 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:31.160 your point, he doesn't. He doesn't strike me as that 401 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:33.319