Speaker 1: Little otis ready on your Spotify and rapped. You're You're
Speaker 1: surprising me all day. Like I said, I thought it
Speaker 1: was gonna be a bunch of dudes either named Luke
Speaker 1: or Brian or Zach, but nothing.
Speaker 2: Always some otis on my on my Spotify rap.
Speaker 3: I don't know it should surprise you, although there are
Speaker 3: plenty of Willie's and Whyland's and the.
Speaker 1: Sort like no, I've just put you in a box,
Speaker 1: which is probably unfair.
Speaker 2: There's some Ray Charles, there's some Otis race that's also
Speaker 2: down my own.
Speaker 1: Will Hardy's an Apple Music guy, you Needa, Mike on
Speaker 1: Uh and Chris Camradi's sitting across from me. That's kind
Speaker 1: of an upset. I feel like you need like anti
Speaker 1: Apple music and more of a Spotify guy.
Speaker 3: Spotify seems too hard because you have to like subscribe,
Speaker 3: and I think I'm my grandfathered in with Apple stuff
Speaker 3: because maybe because I get some sort of MLS packet.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, well I'm one of the dudes that has both, okay, unnecessarily,
Speaker 1: and I do think it is because of both of
Speaker 1: us being a proud subscriber to the MLS channel.
Speaker 2: We support, we support at our soccer league. We for
Speaker 2: sure we do.
Speaker 1: Certainly the lads. I will say that I think our
Speaker 1: guy Sam Stay School and Apple Television, the presentation is
Speaker 1: has been very very good.
Speaker 3: I need to I haven't hit up Sam in a while.
Speaker 3: Last time he's there, right yeah, oh yeah, yeah he
Speaker 3: went to Japan, I know, like last month. But he
Speaker 3: does a very good job. Miss miss him being my colleague.
Speaker 3: But very talented kid. I always told him one day
Speaker 3: I was going to like work for him. He was
Speaker 3: going to be like a fortune five hundred guy Mark
Speaker 3: Northwestern Business School kid, I mean, just way above my lead.
Speaker 1: Should we do an hour on Apple TV and MLS
Speaker 1: right now? How do you think that would be received?
Speaker 2: What is?
Speaker 3: What are the ratings going to be between La Galaxy
Speaker 3: and New York Red Bulls in the final?
Speaker 1: Not great?
Speaker 2: Do you think less than five hundred thousand people will watch?
Speaker 1: That's probably the number.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, like three, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably the number.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: We won't do a lot of MLS today. There are
Speaker 1: other things going on. Do you real quick? Do you
Speaker 1: think oursel does anything? I can't? Is it Bogert, Tom
Speaker 1: Bogert or whatever? Trey of course tweets out everything with
Speaker 1: RSL Okay, his whole assertion is run it back with
Speaker 1: the young core. Do you think that's what happens?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you need to find a goalkeeper, you do. It
Speaker 3: has to be Gavin or you need to sell Gavin
Speaker 3: overseas and then bring somebody else in. But and find
Speaker 3: a complimentary center back who doesn't lose his cool every
Speaker 3: yebour game.
Speaker 1: No spitting at people.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 1: All right, Trey, You're welcome. There's your two minutes of
Speaker 1: RSL talk on a Thursday in December when everyone wants
Speaker 1: to talk football. All right, Chris, you know the tone
Speaker 1: and tenor of the Utah football program. You're well aware
Speaker 1: of the storylines. Zero for two on the offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: front as of now, Jason Beck is a name that's
Speaker 1: really making a lot of rounds today. I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: where are you at with it?
Speaker 3: I guess I'll start by saying, the Utah football fan
Speaker 3: base needs to take a step back and understand where
Speaker 3: it sits in the landscape of college football.
Speaker 2: And I say that because.
Speaker 3: People that I know have been telling me that they
Speaker 3: are upset that Utah got outbid or whatever by Texas
Speaker 3: Tech for an offensive coordinator. We need to break this down, guys.
Speaker 3: If you're a Utah football fan for the last twenty years,
Speaker 3: you need to understand that the last twenty years of
Speaker 3: Utah football compared to the last twenty years of Texas
Speaker 3: Tech football are basically two polar opposites. Texas Tech football
Speaker 3: for the last twenty years fifty sixty points a game,
Speaker 3: allowing forty or fifty points a game, Utah football scoring
Speaker 3: twenty points a game, allowing thirteen or fourteen points a game.
Speaker 3: On the whole, it should not come as a surprise
Speaker 3: that an offensive coordinator from Texas, who played college football
Speaker 3: in Texas, who is currently an offensive coordinator in the
Speaker 3: lone star lone star state would want to go be
Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator at Texas Tech over Utah. Let's let's
Speaker 3: put that out there, and I can't. I did my homework.
Speaker 1: You always do. You always do.
Speaker 3: Utah's offense top twenty in the country. How many times
Speaker 3: in the last twenty years has Utah been top twenty
Speaker 3: over all the other I would say twice, three times,
Speaker 3: three times two out of those three years.
Speaker 2: Who was the offensive coordinator?
Speaker 1: Andy and Lowick?
Speaker 3: The other one, Urban Meyer, Dan Lan dan Ball Texas Tech.
Speaker 3: How many times top twenty offense since.
Speaker 1: Two thousand I'm gonna guess twelve, third, eleven, eleven, yep.
Speaker 3: How many thousand yard wide receivers has Utah had in
Speaker 3: the last twenty years?
Speaker 2: One?
Speaker 3: Three, three, DRez he was the last one, David Reid
Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine, Paris woar and O four ah. Yes,
Speaker 3: how many thousand yard receivers have been at Texas Tech
Speaker 3: since two thousand and four? More than twenty fifteen fifteen so.
Speaker 2: That I know.
Speaker 3: There are so many other data points that we can
Speaker 3: point to, but that is the start and pretty much
Speaker 3: end in terms of a conversation of what Utah's thought
Speaker 3: to be from an offensive standpoint in college football.
Speaker 2: It just is what it is.
Speaker 3: And if you're talking about Texas Tech, yees, Yes, for
Speaker 3: how many of those years was Mike Leech changing college football?
Speaker 3: A lot of them, but there are plenty of guys
Speaker 3: who came after that. We're able to make Texas Tech
Speaker 3: a top ten to twenty offense.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So Utah football fans need to understand where they stand
Speaker 3: in the landscape of things, and yes, it is an
Speaker 3: uncomfortable situation that they're in right now between you know,
Speaker 3: Morgan Scollen Kyle Whittingham. I understand that there's a lot
Speaker 3: of stuff in play, but man, you lose out to Oklahoma,
Speaker 3: which is fine, And I don't see losing out to
Speaker 3: Texas Tech as as a huge indictment on the program.
Speaker 3: It's just an indictment on what the offense has been
Speaker 3: at Utah for twenty years. It's just been so up
Speaker 3: and down.
Speaker 1: Well, and to your point, it's not like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not like this is a gentleman. It's like Mac
Speaker 1: Leftwich is from Draper. I mean, he wants to stay home.
Speaker 4: It's easy to recruit Texas guys if you're in Texas,
Speaker 4: especially Texas Tech that has historical precedent with being in
Speaker 4: a tremendously successful offensive program like.
Speaker 1: The Waalen and Nation of Teeth. Today has been a
Speaker 1: little bit odd. I agree with you this. I said
Speaker 1: this earlier opening tip. I know you're a fan. This
Speaker 1: is not an indictment on Utah football and not stunned
Speaker 1: that a Texas guy wanted to stay in Texas and
Speaker 1: I'm sure they paid him. Just fine. Do you have
Speaker 1: any names that you've heard that you think are a
Speaker 1: natural fit, Like, how do you think this thing ends up?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I know one guy who would have
Speaker 2: been great. His name's Andy Ludwig.
Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, like I think I'm so like amongst the
Speaker 3: things that Kyle and you know, everybody have done in
Speaker 3: the last twenty years, I know they say that Andy
Speaker 3: stepped away at his own volition. I have a very
Speaker 3: hard believing that that was is the most surprising thing
Speaker 3: that I can remember happening under Kyle's tenures as head coach,
Speaker 3: happening in the middle of the year when you have
Speaker 3: a tremendous rash of injuries at the quarterback position. I
Speaker 3: don't know who's a natural fit. I you know, Jason Beck,
Speaker 3: who was a backup quarterback I think at BYU for Bronco,
Speaker 3: Menden Hall, who now is the offensive coordinator for Bronco.
Speaker 3: Menden Hall, what is a I guess I would turn
Speaker 3: it on you, Spence and say, what is a natural
Speaker 3: fit at this point? Because whoever this offensive coordinator will be,
Speaker 3: I think will be the tenth offensive coordinator that Kyle
Speaker 3: will have in twenty years.
Speaker 1: That's a lot.
Speaker 2: That's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I feel like I'm if somebody else
Speaker 1: has talked about this, or somebody else has written about it.
Speaker 1: I just simply haven't seen it or heard it. And
Speaker 1: I know, once you taste the meals on NFL charters,
Speaker 1: you want to live in that ecosystem. But according to
Speaker 1: the numbers we saw earlier, Brian Johnson makes six hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty thousand dollars a year, Coach Love, you're not
Speaker 1: coming back, period. No coach Love made what two milk close.
Speaker 2: To mil I think I think Andy was at one
Speaker 2: to eight.
Speaker 1: Okay, so essentially you're still tripling your salary. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels is awesome passing game coordinator, assistant head coach
Speaker 1: in Washington, and I tend to side with it. Was
Speaker 1: like the old Alex Jensen is going to take the
Speaker 1: Utah job. I'm like two the NBA man, Once you're there,
Speaker 1: you don't want to deal with college at all. And
Speaker 1: maybe Brian simply does not want to deal with college
Speaker 1: football at all. Maybe he views his spot with Washington
Speaker 1: with a great young quarterback as a natural path to
Speaker 1: maybe being his own head coach at some point. But
Speaker 1: do you make the phone call? At least do you
Speaker 1: kick the tires?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the how the relationship ended when
Speaker 3: when he left for I think he left for Mississippi
Speaker 3: State Corrector and he was the quarterback coach for Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3: The job, the existence is so much more difficult and
Speaker 3: draining and taxing now compared to what it was. And
Speaker 3: you know, for two million dollars, is it worth it
Speaker 3: to some people?
Speaker 2: Probably?
Speaker 3: Is it worth it to Brian Johnson? Maybe, But you're
Speaker 3: working for Cliff Kingsbury. You're probably going to get another
Speaker 3: shot at being an offensive coordinator in the NFL, which is,
Speaker 3: you know, more prestigious and easier life and job for
Speaker 3: yourself and your family. In college football, now you are
Speaker 3: recruiting your own play. You're trying to get your guys
Speaker 3: to sign a one year contract every single year.
Speaker 2: That is exhausting.
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying, like you know, I'm not knocking it,
Speaker 3: but that is the reality that you know, these coaches
Speaker 3: face now. And I don't know, does Brian Johnson want
Speaker 3: to drop everything? I mean, he's cultivated in the NFL
Speaker 3: the last few years to come back to call plays
Speaker 3: for a guy that he knows really well. And yes,
Speaker 3: you know, Brian was thrust into it at a very
Speaker 3: young age, and you can probably make an argument that
Speaker 3: it was too young at the time and he probably
Speaker 3: had a lot more to learn, But I just it's hard.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Listen, Kyle Whittingham is, you know, a legend, and we
Speaker 3: can throw throw out all those adjectives that you want.
Speaker 3: He's are in the statue, He's earned the name of
Speaker 3: the stadium, whatever you want to give it to him.
Speaker 3: But the offense has been a thorn in his side
Speaker 3: and it has been for twenty years. There's a reason
Speaker 3: why there's going to be ten offensive play callers. I
Speaker 3: think Kyle is the type of guy that wants everything
Speaker 3: but also nothing at the same time. And by that,
Speaker 3: I mean he wants a mobile quarterback. He wants to
Speaker 3: be able to control the game on the ground. He
Speaker 3: wants a great offensive line. He wants to be a
Speaker 3: spread style offense, but not throw it too much. So
Speaker 3: how are you going to recruit wide receivers who don't
Speaker 3: get the ball that much to play in a spread offense.
Speaker 3: It's difficult. And then our guy Porter Spence, you guys
Speaker 3: are twelve thirteen fourteen personnel guys.
Speaker 1: Oh you know it.
Speaker 3: Utah is going to play with nineteen tight ends. That
Speaker 3: means you're not going to be able to recruit wide
Speaker 3: receivers to come play for you. Everything came together for
Speaker 3: Utah in twenty one and twenty two because they had
Speaker 3: a great quarterback, they had an impressive running back room,
Speaker 3: and they had a good defense, and they had before Brancohert,
Speaker 3: they had two NFL tight ends. Yeah, but now you're
Speaker 3: basically looking at a total rebuild with a head coach
Speaker 3: and head coach in waiting. Situation that is up in
Speaker 3: the air. Quarterback room, you need a starter. Starter's not there.
Speaker 3: You don't have a running back one. You don't have
Speaker 3: many wide receivers coming back. Brand Keith he's not coming back.
Speaker 2: I know. I know.
Speaker 3: State run media Utah is going to tell you that
Speaker 3: the next big guy is already in the room, But
Speaker 3: you have to see it on the field, man, You
Speaker 3: just have to see it on the field. College football now,
Speaker 3: Spence isn't a place where it's like the NFL. The
Speaker 3: off season is almost more exciting and more like tantalizing
Speaker 3: than the actual season for a lot of fans because
Speaker 3: they get so amped up. It's now such a day
Speaker 3: to day conversation. Whereas it used to be Bowl Gay
Speaker 3: Men's everyone goes home till spring, till spring ball or
Speaker 3: off season. You know, lifting, springball happens, it ends, everyone
Speaker 3: goes home, they come back for summer conditioning, the fall
Speaker 3: camp starts, so on and so forth. Now it's you know,
Speaker 3: players are posting utah ANIMI I'm coming back, which is,
Speaker 3: you know, great for the program, but fans are kind
Speaker 3: of waiting at baited breath to see who's going to
Speaker 3: come back basically every single day, which is the anflication
Speaker 3: of college football.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough. It's tough, and I don't think the
Speaker 1: answer under center is in that room right now, unless
Speaker 1: and less Christopher ye Cam Rising, who decides that you
Speaker 1: want to come back. So, if we take Kyle at
Speaker 1: his word what he has said to the media is
Speaker 1: this is Cameron's choice. What do you think Kyle does
Speaker 1: if he gets a phone call and Cam says, hey,
Speaker 1: I got to talk to you and rolls into Coach
Speaker 1: WIT's office and says, hey, got some ANIL money, so
Speaker 1: I feel good about it, and I've decided to come
Speaker 1: back for one more year. What do you think Kyle says?
Speaker 1: Does he just open the door, like he said he would,
Speaker 1: it's his choice.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think if you're Kyle and if you're Utah,
Speaker 3: you have to see how Cam is physically. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 3: if Cam's going to make that decision, in theory he
Speaker 3: feels good about where he's at. But that's a big
Speaker 3: if right now. I mean, the guy has had, you know,
Speaker 3: a tremendous amount of bad luck injury wise, but he's
Speaker 3: going to be twenty.
Speaker 2: Six next year. What do what are the other quarterback options?
Speaker 3: Like, if we've learned anything about the last two years,
Speaker 3: if Cam comes back, it's going to be tremendously difficult
Speaker 3: to recruit another starting caliber quarterback with it experience to
Speaker 3: come in and compete with Cam.
Speaker 2: And maybe that's what it is. Maybe that's Kyle's answer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna go out to the portal and we're
Speaker 3: gonna spend a million dollars on another kid to come
Speaker 3: in and compete with you.
Speaker 2: And are you okay with that? That's what I think
Speaker 2: he would say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's probably the wise course of
Speaker 1: action because the other thing that's been very obvious despite
Speaker 1: all of the conversation around the market, that they were
Speaker 1: better suited this time around should Cameron go down. They weren't.
Speaker 1: They weren't ready. They weren't ready last year. Brandon Rose
Speaker 1: got hurt last year. We always have to bring that up.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just Cam, it was Brandon. But they weren't
Speaker 1: ready last year, and then they just should have known
Speaker 1: better that they needed better contingency plans in place should
Speaker 1: Cameron go down. Because the other thing I didn't buy
Speaker 1: is well, we coached him differently and he's gonna play No,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna play differently like the whole like he's
Speaker 1: gonna play safer last for a game and a half
Speaker 1: and then suddenly we're talking about the same thing. So
Speaker 1: even if Cam comes back CK to your point, I
Speaker 1: do think a veteran QB who has some skin in
Speaker 1: the game that you're comfortable with also need to be
Speaker 1: added to the room based off of what we've seen
Speaker 1: on the field, and.
Speaker 3: Which veteran quarterback who has the established statistical background to
Speaker 3: prove that he can compete against Caim wants to Does
Speaker 3: that person even want to come to it. So that's
Speaker 3: that's the ultimate question, because I think most logical quarterbacks
Speaker 3: would say Cam will have the inside track. He is
Speaker 3: beloved in the locker room, beloved by the fan base,
Speaker 3: beloved by the coaching staff. If I come in, I'm
Speaker 3: going to have basically everything going against me, So is
Speaker 3: it worth it? But then you talk about the offensive
Speaker 3: coordinator higher like, does this new offensive coordinator, whoever he is,
Speaker 3: does he want to bring a quarterback with him? What
Speaker 3: type of style of football does he want to play?
Speaker 3: It's the layers to this are tremendously deep.
Speaker 1: And let's if we operate off the hypothetical that Cameron
Speaker 1: does decide to come back and Kyle adds a veteran
Speaker 1: QB via the portal. Does Isaac bounce? Is he gone?
Speaker 1: Does he leap?
Speaker 3: I mean, like you that you can't. You can't fall
Speaker 3: any kid for getting into the portal anymore for any reason,
Speaker 3: because that's the reality of the game now. But I
Speaker 3: think with with Isaac last year, this is just my opinion.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it was maybe over compensating
Speaker 3: for missing out on Zach. Seeing Zach tear it up
Speaker 3: at your rival. Go to the NFL, and you have
Speaker 3: to keep highly recruited quarterbacks happy for as long as
Speaker 3: you can. So like I think Isaac was their highest
Speaker 3: recruited quarterback out of high school since like Jack Tuttle
Speaker 3: like seven years ago. I mean, I'm sure it was
Speaker 3: neck and neck between he and Brandon rosen Camp. But like,
Speaker 3: if you believe that Isaac Wilson is the future, like
Speaker 3: you're gonna give it to the guy who you believe
Speaker 3: and want to keep happy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that can lead you there. But again you got
Speaker 2: to see. I mean we talked. We were outside Smiths
Speaker 2: in like September. It was after the Oklahoma stake. It
Speaker 2: was amazing.
Speaker 3: I was in shorts and hippie sandals and it was amazing.
Speaker 3: We had that like cool gold Corona cooler or something
Speaker 3: we were giving away nicely. And I said, like, Isaac
Speaker 3: is gonna take his lumps eventually, man, And like I'm
Speaker 3: not patting myself on the back. You just have to
Speaker 3: be realistic. College football does not is not run by
Speaker 3: true freshman quarterbacks. How many true freshman quarterbacks in the
Speaker 3: last twenty years have we been blown away by that
Speaker 3: eventually lead Like maybe they get there eventually, like Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 3: I guess is like the one that comes to mind.
Speaker 2: I get.
Speaker 3: I don't even know if Tua was. It was a
Speaker 3: true freshman when he stepped in for Jalen Hurts. But
Speaker 3: like that was like the end of the season. I'm
Speaker 3: just saying, man, like Utah has to figure out it's
Speaker 3: it's quarterback room and needs to figure out it's so see,
Speaker 3: the running back room to me is like probably one
Speaker 3: C because like, if you're going to be good, if
Speaker 3: you're going to be a good Utah offense, you have
Speaker 3: to have somebody who can rush for a thousand yards. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and McKay Bernard got there. He was their most most
Speaker 3: important and best player this year. But there's there was
Speaker 3: no depth there and they have to be able to
Speaker 3: cultivate that again.
Speaker 1: All right, last thing, then we'll catch a break. We'll
Speaker 1: do another segment coming up on the other side. You
Speaker 1: reference the I don't know, awkward dynamic right now with
Speaker 1: Kyle and Morgan and coach and coach and waiting. The
Speaker 1: way I'm reading this, the tea leaves are is I
Speaker 1: should say, because there's been no announcement, I believe Kyle's
Speaker 1: coming back. He's a coach under contract. You don't need
Speaker 1: a press conference when you're a coach under contract. You're
Speaker 1: just doing your job. Utah Football releases a recruiting video yesterday.
Speaker 1: There's coach wait at his desk doing the work. Do
Speaker 1: you read it the same? Do you believe because there
Speaker 1: has Because Kyle doesn't strike me as a wishy, washy guy,
Speaker 1: Like if he knew he was done, I think he
Speaker 1: would tell everybody and just bounce where are you at
Speaker 1: right now? In that dynamic, I agree with you.
Speaker 3: The one example I would point to is when Nick
Speaker 3: Saban retired. It came out of nowhere, like in January.
Speaker 3: And I know Alabama had a playoff run, so I
Speaker 3: know that's a little different.
Speaker 2: But like.
Speaker 3: I'm just painting a hypothetical here saying this is his
Speaker 3: train of thought. But if they get through the next
Speaker 3: few weeks and hire somebody that Kyle is really stoked on,
Speaker 3: and a guy who can bring in a, you know,
Speaker 3: a high profile quarterback, maybe that only balloons his desire
Speaker 3: to come back. If not, if we get to the
Speaker 3: middle of end of January and they don't have like
Speaker 3: a quarterback in place and Cam decides to go elsewhere,
Speaker 3: I mean, it would it would be easy for Kyle
Speaker 3: to say maybe maybe it's time. Yeah, But again to
Speaker 3: your point, he doesn't. He doesn't strike me as that
Speaker 3: type of person, and I know these are the only
Speaker 3: types of conversations that go on behind closed doors. I
Speaker 3: will say just one real thing before we take a break.
Speaker 3: It was odd that he didn't have a press conference
Speaker 3: yesterday because he usually always has a press conference on signiety.
Speaker 3: And I know they have to, you know, they were
Speaker 3: doing the interviews with the OC position, but I think
Speaker 3: sooner or later it would behoove everybody up there for
Speaker 3: him or Morgan to get in front of a microphone
Speaker 3: to explain to people what's going on.
Speaker 1: It's a really good point. Actually, I've been considered considered
Speaker 1: that because he does do a press conference on signing
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Speaker 1: in studio. Let's see last Utah football thing. Then we'll
Speaker 1: move on. So we had Gordon on earlier asked in
Speaker 1: this question, I don't know how to phrase it correctly.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'll Here's how I'll ask it. Are you
Speaker 1: confident that this season for Utah football was a blip
Speaker 1: on the radar, a moment in time, or is there
Speaker 1: a danger that this program might be slipping a little bit.
Speaker 3: I mean, we all spoke about this last off season.
Speaker 3: We thought there's no way for a second year in
Speaker 3: a row they could go through the stuff that they
Speaker 3: did in twenty twenty three injury wise, and they did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think.
Speaker 3: Beyond the injuries, I don't think the program is slipping.
Speaker 3: You can look at their recruiting base off of yesterday.
Speaker 3: I think they were fifth in the in the big
Speaker 3: out of sixteen teams, top forty class, top forty class.
Speaker 3: So they're recruiting well. But I mean it's it's the
Speaker 3: tale as old as time.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Utah's defense will always be good. They will find diamonds
Speaker 3: in the rough. Who's their quarterback, who's their play caller,
Speaker 3: who's their running back? I know I said that a
Speaker 3: lot last segment, but like it's just it's just the truth, man,
Speaker 3: Like when you can make an argument even that, like
Speaker 3: the running back is like one b because Utah, even
Speaker 3: when they've had rough offenses, the running back and the
Speaker 3: offensive line have always led them to eight and four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nine and three. Seriously, Like, so.
Speaker 3: I know the I know state run media is going
Speaker 3: to tell you that the guys on the roster are it.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think they need to go
Speaker 3: into the portal and spend a lot of money on
Speaker 3: a quarterback and they need to spend a lot of
Speaker 3: money on a running back. What is going for them
Speaker 3: right now is they locked up those two offensive tackles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's big.
Speaker 3: You can make an argument that they're the two best
Speaker 3: the ore, the two best young tackles in the country
Speaker 3: playing on the same line, yep, which is huge. I
Speaker 3: mean a lot of people think those guys are going
Speaker 3: to be like potential first second day NFL draft picks.
Speaker 3: So the fact that they're back for one more year
Speaker 3: is huge for them. Who are they going to be
Speaker 3: blocking for in the backfield?
Speaker 2: We have to see.
Speaker 1: So we had Matt Brown, who writes the college football
Speaker 1: newsletter X the Man, Not You're Matt Brown. Matt Brown
Speaker 1: who writes Extra Points. Nice guy, good interview. It's a
Speaker 1: good newsletter. Very smart, Yeah, very smart guy. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: just kind of have to sit back. It's like drinking
Speaker 1: from a fire hose. Really good with the business of
Speaker 1: college football, kind of off field stuff. And he flew
Speaker 1: into Provo to do a piece. It was a really
Speaker 1: fun piece on BYU fans who tailgate.
Speaker 2: I was jealous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great story. Ye had a great story,
Speaker 1: did a good job, and he had a really interesting
Speaker 1: point about how BYU found their success this year and
Speaker 1: whether or not that's a model you can continue to
Speaker 1: use moving forward, because Matt, according to his sources, you know,
Speaker 1: the nil support the Kilani's getting isn't really dialed in.
Speaker 1: It's not that uh, you know, it's not why they
Speaker 1: were able to find success this year.
Speaker 2: They y money.
Speaker 1: It is not Kevin Young money. Shout out to da
Speaker 1: shout out to my guy Rai as you put my
Speaker 1: hat on backwards. But you know, his points I think
Speaker 1: were founded in a lot of evidence, proof of concept.
Speaker 1: This year a one year success story. But unless they
Speaker 1: start to get the nil support that his peers are getting,
Speaker 1: it's hard to believe that what they did this year
Speaker 1: is sustainable. If does that make sense? What are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on it.
Speaker 3: I'm of the mind spence that BYU should be a
Speaker 3: top five funded program for the obvious reason, and I
Speaker 3: know that the church is never going to pour their
Speaker 3: own resources into it. But you can make an argument
Speaker 3: that because the footprint of the Big Twelve is so big,
Speaker 3: the fact that they go to so many different states
Speaker 3: and areas and regions in the country. Like there's a
Speaker 3: reason why BYU fans show out to every Roady game.
Speaker 3: It's because there's BYU fans all over the everyry and world.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: Like at the Tribune, man like BYU stories were always
Speaker 3: the most read because it's not only people in Utah,
Speaker 3: it's people all over the country and world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the world is our campus k enter to learn,
Speaker 1: go forth to surface.
Speaker 3: So my argument would be it should be very easy
Speaker 3: for them to be able to have deep resources in
Speaker 3: NIL for obvious reasons. I don't think that's going to
Speaker 3: be the case. Matt's point is well taken. They're eventually
Speaker 3: going to have to get there. They absolutely will, because
Speaker 3: I don't think you're always gonna get really talented legacy
Speaker 3: kids to go there. I mean, like the Connor pays
Speaker 3: those kids. I mean, hopefully they're getting paid, but like
Speaker 3: you're gonna get those legacy kids whose parents and uncles
Speaker 3: and brothers played there, But I mean you're gonna need those.
Speaker 3: Darius Lassiter's the Jake Retzlofs, the Keel and Marion's who's
Speaker 3: the linebacker Harrison Taggart's like, I know he's a local kid,
Speaker 3: but like, you're gonna have to get those guys not
Speaker 3: only to commit and play, but you're gonna have to
Speaker 3: find a way to retain them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You have to re up
Speaker 2: everybody every single year, no matter who you are in
Speaker 2: college football.
Speaker 1: And no matter how much you love BYU. If you're
Speaker 1: a blue chip prospect making I don't know one hundred
Speaker 1: K at BYU and you're one of their better players,
Speaker 1: and another school calls and says we'll offer you four
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty five hundred K, it doesn't matter how
Speaker 1: much you love BYU. You're going at some point to
Speaker 1: follow the money at least a little bit. But I
Speaker 1: want to echo your sentiment because I said this like
Speaker 1: day one, when nil kind of became a reality, I
Speaker 1: felt like this was awesome news for Brigham Young because
Speaker 1: of all of their alums. I thought some Silicon Slopes
Speaker 1: bro in a Tesla or a truck would be very
Speaker 1: very Tesla truck or a Tesla truck, probably a Tesla
Speaker 1: truck actually would salivate at the option of being like
Speaker 1: the savior of BYU football financially. And my guy Ray
Speaker 1: has stepped up for the My guy Ray has stepped
Speaker 1: up for the basketball. But I thought one of these
Speaker 1: bros would have stepped up by now. And I'm kind
Speaker 1: of surprised we haven't seen more financial support.
Speaker 2: It is surprising. And I.
Speaker 3: You can I mean, like the Marriots, man, Like, what
Speaker 3: are we doing? Like there are so many people who
Speaker 3: are tied to that. I know what the Marriot Center
Speaker 3: and get it, but there are so many like high
Speaker 3: profile business people around the world who have ties to BYU. Man,
Speaker 3: that's a good question. That's probably something a story I
Speaker 3: should pursue to be sure with you. I mean, like
Speaker 3: we're I know, we're we're idea generating on the drive
Speaker 3: Monday to Friday two to six, But like, why aren't
Speaker 3: they there yet?
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's a great question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm not saying it's gonna come from Enzyme
Speaker 1: Peak advisors. And I know, like LDS people kind of
Speaker 1: like the LDS Church have a reputation for not necessarily
Speaker 1: open up their pocketbooks all the time. But you don't
Speaker 1: need billions of dollars here, you know. I think the
Speaker 1: support the BYU football needs is well within the means
Speaker 1: of a lot of alumni that love BYU foot It.
Speaker 3: Would be a drop in the bucket, man, it would
Speaker 3: be a drop in the bucket. But having lived here
Speaker 3: for a long time, having worked at the Tribune, it's
Speaker 3: not exactly an easy group of people to get a
Speaker 3: hold from from a pr point of view. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 3: Like I think my buddies who are active members, who
Speaker 3: are huge BYU fans still to this day, are amazed
Speaker 3: that sixty minutes got like that those interviews a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago, because like, they are notoriously very hard
Speaker 3: to get a hold of. If I were ever to
Speaker 3: get a hold of them, I would love to ask
Speaker 3: him this question, because it would be a drop in
Speaker 3: the bucket.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, there's no doubt about it. All right, let's
Speaker 1: stay in the space a little bit. We had Gordon
Speaker 1: on earlier, Gordon monson Solid Tribune, our friend, my friend,
Speaker 1: your friend, and you know, Gordon wrote a piece about
Speaker 1: the BYU basketball team back on the road at Providence.
Speaker 1: And it's not the first time we've heard of f
Speaker 1: the Mormon's chance from a student section or a fan
Speaker 1: base directed at Brigham Young. Not the man, well in
Speaker 1: this case, but the football program. But obviously you're blanketing
Speaker 1: an entire group of people with an f the Mormon's
Speaker 1: chance as somebody who is familiar with the religious ethos
Speaker 1: that dominates the community here and family ties, but not
Speaker 1: a member yourself. If that's fair to say on air,
Speaker 1: If that's okay to say on air, how does this
Speaker 1: land with you? I don't love the one aboutisms, you know,
Speaker 1: but ultimately it does feel like this is more, I guess,
Speaker 1: i'll say, societally acceptable than most anti religious chance you
Speaker 1: would hear.
Speaker 2: Is that fair? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Why do you think that is?
Speaker 3: I think we are siloed here in this state still
Speaker 3: from a national perspective, It's so funny like when I
Speaker 3: was back in California for Thanksgiving, we had everybody was
Speaker 3: over at my sister's house and there were you know,
Speaker 3: family friends on my brother in law's side who are
Speaker 3: over and I met. I met a brother and a sister.
Speaker 3: The brother works in New York stock bro sisters a
Speaker 3: lawyer in LA. Brother never hurt like, didn't like Utah
Speaker 3: is what is it like? Sister loves it. She's like
Speaker 3: me and my friends go out there every summer, every
Speaker 3: winter people don't know about it. That to me is
Speaker 3: like the perfect encapsulation of like how we are viewed here.
Speaker 3: Some people still kind of like like take a step
Speaker 3: back and like raise their eyebrows, like.
Speaker 2: What what are you doing?
Speaker 3: Oh, for sure, and other people are like when they
Speaker 3: come here, they love it. So that's a long winded
Speaker 3: way of saying I just think a lot of people
Speaker 3: still hold these unfortunate, very negative, very low hanging fruit stereotypes.
Speaker 3: And it's unfortunate because it should not be accepted.
Speaker 2: And it's just I know, we're getting into, you know,
Speaker 2: cultural dichotomies here on.
Speaker 1: The drive Monday through Friday two to six, you know
Speaker 1: the deal.
Speaker 3: I just think unfortunately, a lot of people nationally who
Speaker 3: don't know about the state and don't know a lot
Speaker 3: about the culture here, think it's very easy to pick on.
Speaker 2: For obvious reasons.
Speaker 1: Well, it's well said. And I'll tell you this man
Speaker 1: from my experience of you know, Pedro Heights, Salt Lake City, Bountiful,
Speaker 1: eleven year old Spence Check. It's going two thousand miles
Speaker 1: across the country to move to the northeast where the church,
Speaker 1: the LDS church footprint in the Northeast has grown, but
Speaker 1: I'm talking nineteen eighty nine, where there was there are
Speaker 1: very few members of the church, and my family moves
Speaker 1: back there, and I was stunned at how we were
Speaker 1: viewed by my peers in school and their parents. And
Speaker 1: I just wasn't familiar with the oddities of the culture
Speaker 1: that people aren't comfortable with as a kid. And I
Speaker 1: learned that being basically planted in a place where there
Speaker 1: were like two LDS kids in my school outside of
Speaker 1: my sister and I, right, And so suddenly I went
Speaker 1: from Salt Lake City, where we are the majority, to
Speaker 1: a place where you really felt like a cast off
Speaker 1: because of the way that people viewed the culture in
Speaker 1: which you were brought up. But I think there's a
Speaker 1: way to disagree with certain approaches of the church without
Speaker 1: being outright abusive with chance like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's like I said, it's low hanging fruit.
Speaker 3: It's rhetoric that is learned second and third hand. I mean, like,
Speaker 3: how many of these people who are doing this, even
Speaker 3: no members of the church, I would guarantee not many.
Speaker 3: Maybe they they've heard this type of approach to you know,
Speaker 3: how people treat members of the church through their friends
Speaker 3: or you know, family members or whatever, and it's just
Speaker 3: like it's it's it's not acceptable, and it's just it is.
Speaker 3: It is weird in that like this happens almost every year,
Speaker 3: whether it's in basketball or football, and it seems to
Speaker 3: kind of slide under the radar.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't remember there was a football game.
Speaker 1: It was Oregon. It was organ right, yeah, it was
Speaker 1: Orgon And and it also kind of fires up the
Speaker 1: persecution complex portion of the culture. But then you understand
Speaker 1: why they feel this way, right, And I from my
Speaker 1: vantage point and the reason I have the main issue
Speaker 1: with a chant like this, I feel like the culture
Speaker 1: is comprised of mostly nice people who work hard, family orientated,
Speaker 1: and care about their communities. Are there members of the
Speaker 1: LDS Church and certain approaches of the LDS Church that
Speaker 1: make people uncomfortable? Yeah, it doesn't make it different from
Speaker 1: other religions if we're being fair. But I just feel
Speaker 1: like chants like this blanket a culture of mostly very
Speaker 1: decent people from my experience, even though I'm not actively
Speaker 1: involved in it like I was as a kid, and
Speaker 1: I feel like that's what's unfair, just blanketing everybody like that.
Speaker 3: I think it's also, unfortunately a snapshot of where we
Speaker 3: are as a society and a culture, how it's acceptable,
Speaker 3: how it's acceptable, and how while we've made strides in
Speaker 3: so many other places, I think it's just still so
Speaker 3: easy to fall in love with that mob mentality in
Speaker 3: a sporting event setting like that, which is unacceptable. But again,
Speaker 3: it's it's something that needs to be addressed, and I
Speaker 3: don't know why it necessarily hasn't from the governing bodies
Speaker 3: of these conferences. I know the Providence ad wrote a
Speaker 3: tweet or something afterwards, but it is it is something
Speaker 3: that it's unfortunate that, you know, I mean, some of these.
Speaker 2: Kids on the team aren't even lds. A lot of
Speaker 2: the kids on the team are What are we doing here?
Speaker 1: Yeah? All right, one more thing here. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to ask you for a c K scouting breakdown of Cooper, Flagg,
Speaker 1: Race Bailey. Oh, I'm ready, but I will I will
Speaker 1: ask yeah. And apparently apparently mister Harper is not excited
Speaker 1: at the possibility of his Sun playing here. But anyway,
Speaker 1: neither here nor there, I will ask you this. This
Speaker 1: might be the worst team we've had here like ever.
Speaker 1: I really feel that way. Oklahoma City's awesome, but they're lazy,
Speaker 1: their habits are bad. Defensively, they're a sieve, they don't
Speaker 1: do anything well, and they're just not going to win
Speaker 1: a lot of games. How do you think it's landing
Speaker 1: around town? It feels like, you know, I usually love
Speaker 1: to cover the NBA, usually love to cover the jazz.
Speaker 1: My whole life has been around the jazz. But even
Speaker 1: my friends who are the most diehard jazz fans, this year,
Speaker 1: they're just kind of like, mew, how do you think
Speaker 1: it's gonna land around here with a season like this
Speaker 1: and it's not turning around anytime soon.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, this is a lot of fans wanted this.
Speaker 3: They wanted to avoid the middle, and this is what
Speaker 3: you get. And this is not death by a thousand cuts.
Speaker 3: It's death by a billion cuts throughout a very long season.
Speaker 3: And if it means it gets you closer to a
Speaker 3: Cooper flag, that's great. I do maintain my opinion that
Speaker 3: this should have happened two years ago because the really
Speaker 3: like ungettable player was the guy who's now wearing that
Speaker 3: jersey in San Antonio.
Speaker 2: But I just don't I'm with you.
Speaker 3: It's just not a It's not even a topic of
Speaker 3: conversation anymore. And I don't know what the what the
Speaker 3: turnout is like. I haven't watched any games this year.
Speaker 3: I know that some people are up in arms that
Speaker 3: veterans are playing over young guys, and that some guys
Speaker 3: are being assigned to.
Speaker 2: The stars and not you know, doing this or that.
Speaker 2: But this is part of it.
Speaker 3: This is the NBA is set up this way. And
Speaker 3: if you know you are, you know, diluted enough to
Speaker 3: not believe that this is part of the growing pants.
Speaker 3: And I'm sorry, I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 1: Have you ever interviewed my guy Ry?
Speaker 2: I have not, you have not.
Speaker 1: No. I wonder I would be interested in a C.
Speaker 1: K Ry sit down because I just wonder how this
Speaker 1: is landing with him. I don't know him well. Our
Speaker 1: interactions have always been pleasant. He's always been nice to me.
Speaker 1: But I don't know him. But I from what I've
Speaker 1: been told, he's a competitive dude who was very eager
Speaker 1: to add some very good veteran pieces as soon as
Speaker 1: he possibly could the whole like we're gonna sign Paul
Speaker 1: George and trade for mckel bridge. This thing. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: like don't say things like that out loud. That was
Speaker 1: never going to be possible. We always talk about Danny
Speaker 1: and Justin. I wonder how this is landing with Ryan,
Speaker 1: because they're far from being even decent.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a basketball lifer, he's a Jazz lifer.
Speaker 3: I think he I mean, he's a smart enough guy
Speaker 3: to know that this is part of the growing pains
Speaker 3: that come with trying to build a contender in the
Speaker 3: NBA from the ground up. The Jazz fan base has
Speaker 3: never dealt with this since. I mean I watched the
Speaker 3: documentary Man. Even those seventy late seventies, early eighties teams had,
Speaker 3: you know, some star players on that team. Not trying
Speaker 3: to discount Lowry markin in it all, but like we're
Speaker 3: in a place now if you're a Jazz fan, that
Speaker 3: most people have never been before. So and I think
Speaker 3: he understands that this is just the nature of building
Speaker 3: in the NBA. I think it's I think it's why
Speaker 3: the NBA, in my opinion, has fallen kind of out
Speaker 3: of favor with I think a lot of people in
Speaker 3: my generation and people younger, because like it's so top
Speaker 3: heavy and it's just it's just kind of Why would
Speaker 3: you want to spend money and why would you want
Speaker 3: to wait so long to have a decent product on
Speaker 3: the floor when you know that it might not even
Speaker 3: may not even happen.
Speaker 1: Well, c K, we'll always have college football offseason. Leo
Speaker 1: ready for Santa.
Speaker 2: Uh, Yeah, I gotta I gotta go grocery shore Christmas shopping.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta do it all right, brother, Good to
Speaker 1: see you, Okay. The Great Chris Comroonddi from The Athletic