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to three WBT our number two underway. Thanks a lot

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for hanging out. I do appreciate it. There are few

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things that I love me more than a struggle session

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on college campuses, and so I was very interested to

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hear that Davidson College is interested in doing a struggle

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session apparently for some students part of the Young Americans

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for Freedom group. Want to welcome to the program. Jesse Appleby,

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an attorney with the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression,

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and is Fire welcome. Jesse? How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good? How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing all right? So first tell us what is FIRE?

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What is the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we are a nonprofit and we originally started on

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college campuses defending free speech and other individual rights, and

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then in the past couple of years we have expanded

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to defend free speech off campus as well.

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Speaker 1: So this latest example of some of the work that

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you guys are interested in is at Davidson College here

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in Mecklenburg County and the Young Americans for Freedom. It's

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a student group, right, I guess it's a Is it

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a campus group? Are they on campus?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's there's a national organization and then there are

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chapters at many schools across the country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so all right, what did what did they

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do to get Davidson College to threaten what I am

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referring to as a struggle session for the students? What

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do they do?

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Speaker 2: Well, technically they didn't do anything wrong, but what happened

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is last October they tried to hand out pamphlets on

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campus titled the five Myths about Israel perpetrated by the

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pro Hamas Left. And then they also shared an Instagram

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post commenting on sex, gender identity, and participation in women's sports.

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Davidson received student complaints about these two instances and have

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now charged the group with harassments for what they saw

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was misinformation promoting Islamophobia and transphobia.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting, so the school is concerned about misinformation they

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you may want to I don't know, like, are you

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working on this case yourself, because you may want to

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relay to them that the Greeks on campus are not

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actually like Greek organizations, they're just like letters. Also that

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the subway shop they got there, that's not an underground train,

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so they may not be aware of that misinformation that

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they may be participating in themselves. But what exactly do

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we have any examples that they provided that the school

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like provided to say, like this is the misinformation that

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you're handing out and like spell it out for us.

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Speaker 2: No, they actually did not provide examples. And I'm not

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clear after reading the pamphlet what is exactly misinformation in it.

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It's clearly about an issue that many people will disagree with,

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but I'm not clear what they are considering misinformation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the title alone, the five myths about

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Israel perpetrated by the pro Hamas left. I know a

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lot of the Lefties do not like that framing that

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they are called pro Hamas, because they'll try to say, oh, no,

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I'm just pro Palestinian. I'm not pro Hamas right, so

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I guess that, but I don't. But they didn't give

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any examples. I read through the Davidson College letter that

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they sent to the president of the Young Americans for

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Freedom chapter, and they didn't provide her any specifics, which

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I think kind of makes it a little difficult if

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you are, you know, if you're going to try to

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defend yourself from this kind of an accusation.

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Speaker 2: No, it does make it difficult to defend yourself. Although

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I should mention even if there is a mistake or

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a factual inaccuracy in the pamphlet, that does not render

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it unprotected. It is still protective political advocacy, and why

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AS has every right to share that advocacy on campus.

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Speaker 1: So it seems like that's just the fig leaf, right,

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this idea that it's misinformation that promotes whatever phobia that

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is that some students reported it, maybe some faculty I

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don't know, reported feeling threatened and unsafe on campus as

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a result of these alleged actions, which I always find

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to be hilarious because you know, you're on You're you're

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on the campus of Davidson College. Like, who do you

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think is going to be attacking you because you're you're

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pro Hamas or Palestinian or you are pro LGBT like that.

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It's not Those are not the people that get harassed

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or attacked or have to worry about their personal safety.

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Speaker 2: Right. And it's the reason we have high standards for

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true threats and harassment is precisely because we don't want

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random complaints of I feel unsafe or I feel threatened

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to shut down a whole loss of speech that should

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be greatly protected as just normal political advocacy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because if you can shut down young Americans for freedom,

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well they can file the same sort of complaint against

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their political opponents. And now at this supposed institute of

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higher learning, now you have no discussion of any issues.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. And both of these issues are pretty staff brilliant

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political issues that have been in the media quite a bit,

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have been discussed to both on and off campus for

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the past year. It would be a bit odd if

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some of the hottest political issues or of the day

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couldn't be discussed on a college campus in the United States.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if ever there is a place for that with

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that actually one would think it would be there. Let

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me ask you about this second part of their letter

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where they say, in order to resolve the alleged violation

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of the Code of Responsibility, your organization has several options,

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and by several they mean too and both of them

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basically arrive at the same conclusion, which is some sort

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of an accountability plan, which sounds to me like a

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struggle session. So what is your understanding of what an

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accountability plan is?

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Speaker 2: Basically, our understanding, based on Davidson's policy, is just that

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those that would be the punishment or sanctions imposed on

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the group. So if the group chose the first that

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option and took responsibility, then an administrator at Davidson would

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decide on the sanctions and impose them on the group.

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If the group decided to go forward with a hearing,

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it would be before the Council or the Code of

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Responsibility Council, and if that council found the group responsible

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for her for harassment, the council would decide on the

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specific sanctions imposed. So it's really just a euphemism for punishment.

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So either you you plead guilty and we

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punish you, or you plead not guilty, we hold a hearing,

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and then we punish you. That's what it sounds like.

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So yeah, so where does it stand and where is

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it headed?

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Speaker 2: Ah? As of now, it's in limbo. We are sending

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a letter to the school today asking it to drop

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the charges against the students. Do you think under its

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free expression policy this these charges, this investigation never should

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have taken place. So the charges, all right?

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Speaker 1: And if people want to help real quick, how can

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they do so? To Fire's web yourself. Sorry, your cell

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phone is breaking up, Jesse, are you still there? You're

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still yeah?

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Speaker 2: Okay, sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: No, that's right.

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Speaker 2: We will have more information on Fire's website. Or you

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can also reach out to the school yourself and tell

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them that you object to what they're doing here, going

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after this group for clearly protected political advocacy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Jesse Appleby an attorney with the Foundation for Individual

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Rights and Expression, also known as FIRE, and you can

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follow them on Twitter at the FIRE ORGRG and Jesse,

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thanks so much for the work you're doing and thanks

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for making time for us. I appreciate it. Thanks all right,

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Young Americans for Freedom, the president of this organization is

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now being threatened with punishment for handing out a pamphlet

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in October. So if I'm I'm gonna go out on

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a limb here and say that it's possible that the

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timing of this pamphlet, which is called the Five Myths

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about Israel, perpetrated by the pro Hamas left, I'm thinking

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that handing the pamphlet out in October might might have

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had something to do with the October seventh massacre by

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Hamas and other affiliated Jihattist groups and Palestinian civilians on

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the Israeli people and anybody else that happened to get

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in their way, like the poor Thai people, right, and

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Americans and you know, really anybody that they just happened

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to bond while they were just you know, rampaging through Israel.

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So I suspect it might have been tied to that now.

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The Five Myths pamphlet is authored by Robert Spencer and

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at the Young Americans for Freedom Foundation. Here on the website.

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This is a free pamphlet and they and they list here.

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It says, according to a recent poll, seventy three percent

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of Jewish students have experienced or witnessed anti Semitism. It's

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so bad that Jewish students are rightly suing Harvard for

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the rampant anti semitism on campus. Did you see what

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happened at Barnard College the other day? A bunch of

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pro Hamas or if you would prefer hamas holaes, I

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can call you that instead. You know, oh, no pro Hamas,

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but justification for supporting Amas. But I will call you

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hamas holaes if you prefer. Actually, even if you don't prefer,

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I'm going to call you that. So the these these kids,

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they dress themselves like terrorists, like Palestinian gih hottists. And

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they stormed the Line Library and they came in through

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a back door, and they videotape themselves doing this, and

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they all rush in through a back door, climb up

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the stairs. They got you know, hoodies on, they got

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their masks on, some of them are wearing the the

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larper's costume there of the Kafia, you know, that's scarf.

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And they take over the library lobby area, the ground

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floor and they are like tons of students hanging out

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studying being students, you know. And the next thing you

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get this massive demonstration. They just take over the area

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and they start banging the drums and they're on the

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bullhorn screaming their slogans and stuff and singing songs badly,

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and and the administration can't get them to move. They're like,

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can you please move? I'm asking you to move, like,

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this is what's been going on for now? What three years?

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 1: It has it been three years? Two years? Two years?

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Wait a minute, No, it was October seventh, twenty twenty three,

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so it's been over a year, right, So we are

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now we're into the second year. Sorry, since October seventh,

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Hostages still being held right in Gaza, terrorist attacks still

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being carried out in Israel by jihadists. And so this

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pamphlet The Five Myths, written by best selling author and

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Young Americans for Freedom speaker Robert Spencer, it's a free

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ebook and it says it offers a rich historical breakdown

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of hatred against Israelis while exposing five myths that the

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pro Hamas left continued to push about Israel, including they

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only gave us three here. I mean, these are promotional material,

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so they don't want to give away the whole thing, right,

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It's like a movie trailer. So here are the three

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of the five myths. Israel is occupying Palestinian land, myth

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Israel is really an apartheid state, quote unquote, myth Palestinian

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leaders are willing to negotiate in good faith, okay, And

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so by handing out this pamphlet, which is simply, I

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would argue, is simply pushing back at misinformation right at

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a propaganda war that is being waged globally by the

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left and their allies in the jihottest movements. They are

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advancing lies in order to win the propaganda war because

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they cannot win militarily. They cannot win militarily, as evidenced

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by the fact that they slaughter innocent civilians. That's who

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they target. They go after civilians. That terrorism, that is

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literally the definition of it. It is to target civilian

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populations in order to affect some sort of policy shift

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at their governing levels. That's what they have been doing.

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They've been doing it for a very, very, very long time.

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So you're telling me that if I were to distribute

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an anti Israel pamphlet, that would be okay, but if

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I do an anti Hamas one, that's not okay. That's

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what Davidson College here in Mecklenburg County, that's what they're doing.

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They're going to punish this organization for handing out this pamphlet,

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and the punishment will be some form of a struggle session.

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Right publicly denounce what you've done, which, by the way,

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will earn you nothing. It'll earn you nothing. Use talk

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eleven ten ninety nine to three WBT seven zero four

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five seven zero eleven ten. Email is Pete at the

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Pete calendershow dot com talking about Davidson colleges attempt to

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punish the president of the college Chapter of Young Americans

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for Freedom, accusing her of harassment. The Dean of students

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sent a four page letter. They apparently did have some

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kind of a meeting. It's referenced. It's referenced in the

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letter here. On Wednesday, February twenty sixth. During our meeting,

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I won discussed the pertinent information from the report. Two

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gave you an opportunity to respond to the report. Three

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collected additional information to help determine the best way to

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resolve the issue through Davidson's student accountability process, and four

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provided you with support resources. In other words, here's the

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code of conduct. This is what you did wrong. You

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made people feel unsafe. This is the RVO portion of DARVA,

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which is a form of psychological abuse. It's how narcissists, sociopaths,

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how they reverse victim and defender r v O, reverse

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victim and defender right. If you are going to tell

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me that what I have been witnessing, which is the deed,

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the denial right, the in DARVO. If you're going to

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tell me that what I've been witnessing on college campuses

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and throughout the society, this rise of anti semitism. Right

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and Jews are the canary and the coal mine on

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this sort of stuff, the rise of anti semitism, the harassing,

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the abuse, the discrimination, the threatening, the threatening behavior, and

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the insults and stuff that have been directed towards Jewish

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kids on campuses. You're going to deny that that's been occurring,

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and then you're going to reverse victim and offender here

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and say that passing out a pamphlet, I don't even

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think she was, Like, I haven't seen any any write

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up as to what exactly about the pamphlet was cited,

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or whether the student in question here, whether she said

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stuff while handing out the pamphlet. It doesn't seem. So

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it just says that you distributed a pamphlet which allegedly

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includes misinformation that promotes Islamophobia, allegedly includes who's doing the

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alleged right? Who's doing that? Is that some other student

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that disagrees politically they're a Hamas hole and so they're like,

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we love Hamas, sorry the Pelstinian people. And so I

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don't want that pamphlet being handed out because I don't

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agree with it. And so I'm going to accuse you

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of making me feel unsafe. Have again, have you been

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witnessing the rise of anti Semitism? It is the largest

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group of hate crimes by data collection in America annually,

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the hate crimes against Jews always. So you're going to

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tell me that the misinformation promotes Islamophobia? Is there any

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misinformation promoting anti Semitism too, or no? Or what so

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you're allowed to beat the drums and walk around like

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face masked up and scarf wearing and river to the

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sea chants and all of that. That doesn't make anybody

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feel unsafe. In the immediate aftermath of October seventh, as

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the bodies were still warm from the slaughter, and people

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were saying, what did you think decolonization meant? Which, by

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the way, just as an aside, I will point out

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yet again that the Muslim world is one of the most,

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if not the most prolific colonizing philosophies ever on this planet.

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Like they have conquered They came out of the you know,

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Saudi Arabia, the Arabian Peninsula right and spread all the

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way to the far reaches of Spain and Portugal, right,

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I mean, like all the way through they have in

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rapid fashion. So that's not colonization, of course, it is,

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of course they did. Jews have been on that land.

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If you want to talk historical roots, what a thousand,

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fifteen hundred years before the birth of Christ something like that,

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I mean, And there's evidence to this now, I know,

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I know a lot of the colonizing societies that you

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know came out of the Arabian Peninsula. I know they

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like to, you know, destroy all of the artifacts of

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any previous civilization and that sort of thing, but we

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do have artifacts of the Jewish presence in that land.

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It's called Judea for a reason, and the people are

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called Jews because they came from that area. It's very

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simple anyway, This is where you're supposed to have these

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conversations is on a campus, is at college, which is

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where ideas are discussed, arguments are made, research is conducted.

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Shutting down a group that is talking about a topic

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that is not only in the news but also has

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like this long history, right, these questions of good and evil,

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wrong and right, colonizer oppressed, Like all of these types

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of questions should be hashed out in precisely that venue.

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The idea that you would bring somebody in there for

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handing out a pamphlet. Oh and also she made a post.

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She shared a post from libs of TikTok. That's it.

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She shared a social media post by the account libs

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of TikTok, which I will remind you the libs of

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TikTok account simply takes videos of leftists and reposts them.

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That's what it does libs of TikTok liberals. It just says, hey,

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look at what this person said, and that creates a

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lack of safety on campus. You are not unsafe because

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somebody disagrees with you, Okay, And the sooner colleges start

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teaching their students, they're infantilized students that concept. That all right.

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ten ninety nine to three WBT seven oh four five

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seven zero eleven ten next hour, We're going to start

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a new tradition. Will give you more details as we

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get closer in the next hour. One of the things

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that the president of the Young Americans for Freedom Davidson

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College Chapter president got in trouble for by the college

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was because she shared a post from the libs of

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TikTok on Instagram speculating the sex slash gender identity of

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Emmane Khalif. I think it's how that's pronounced the Algerian boxer,

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which allegedly includes misinformation that promotes transphobia. Right, this was

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the boxer that nobody could tell what their gender is,

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what their sex is, and they went in there and

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whipped up on all the women won a bunch of

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medals at the Olympics. Outrage ensued, right and So because

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this student to Davidson published or reposted on Instagram something

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from libs of TikTok that got her in trouble with

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the Davidson College Dean of students, and now she's facing

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some sort of punishment. Oh, by the way, because it

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made it. It made somebody not sure who, classmate, teacher,

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don't know, right, made somebody feel threatened and unsafe. We

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should not be governed. Our rights should not be determined

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by the most emotionally fragile people in the society. Okay,

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that should not be a standard. We strive for to

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allow to allow our behavior to be dictated by people

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that perceive violence and threats based on simple disagreement or

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difference of opinion. It's not healthy. And this is really

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going to send you over the moon. The Journal of

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Sexual Medicine February twenty fifth, twenty twenty five brand news

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study just released titled examining gender specific mental health Risks

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after Gender Affirming Surgery. Okay, so, and they use all

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of the words, right, They frame it all as gender

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affirming and like all of the words that the activists

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and leftists have dictated to us. So this is not

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some sort of right Wing publication. Okay, this is based

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on a national database study. This report the aim was

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to evaluate mental health outcomes in transgender individuals with gender

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dysphoria who have undergone gender affirming surgery, and then they

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break it up based on gender and the time since

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their surgeries. The primary outcomes were differences in mental health disorders,

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specifically depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, body dysmorphic disorder, and substance

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abuse or substance use disorder as they call it, among

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transgender individuals after they get the surgeries. From this database

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survey or study of one hundred and seven thousand, five

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hundred and eighty three patients matched cohorts demonstrated that those

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who undergo the surgery were at significantly higher risk for depression, anxiety,

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suicidal ideaation, substance use disorders than the people who did

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not get the surgeries. Higher risk, higher risk after surgeries,

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higher risk. I feel like I need to keep saying

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that because for some reason, right the narrative has been

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that this is the only way that you could prevent

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somebody from killing themselves. Yet they are at higher risk

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of doing that exact thing after the surgeries. Males with

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surgery showed a higher prevalence of depression and anxiety twenty

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five percent versus eleven percent for depression. Males with the

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surgery versus without higher rates of depression and higher prevalence

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of anxiety thirteen percent versus three percent. Females exhibited similar trends,

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with elevated depression at twenty three percent versus fifteen percent

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who don't get the surgeries, and anxiety way higher at

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like ten and a half to eleven percent among women

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that get the surgeries. By the way, I have no

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idea what they're talking about when they say females and

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males because they use they right, because they're not using

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like they're calling females females. Does that mean they're like,

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actually females or are you using like are these the

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males who then transition to females? Is that it's hard

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to it's this is the problem when you corrupt the language.

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You're not clear. I can't tell, but I'm guessing that

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they are using females as in biological females that undergo

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the surgeries because they have higher rates of anxiety, and

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that that tracks across the demographics. Women have higher rates

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of anxiety than men do, So that makes sense. Clinical

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implications findings suggest the necessity. So like, okay, you've determined

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this stuff, Now what do we do about it? Like,

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what's the recommendation, what's the solution? What do you think

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they're going to propose? Well, if you guessed more resources,

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you would be correct. There you go, that's right. The

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finding suggests the necessity for gender sensitive mental health support

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following the surgeries to address post surgical psychological risks. So

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they go through the surgeries, these risks increase, and your

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response is to say, keep doing the surgeries, but let's

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just give them more therapy. Is it possible that they

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ended up in the surgery on the surgeon's table because

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of the therapy? Is that possible? Gender affirming surgery, while

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beneficial in affirming gender identity, is associated with increased risk

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of mental health issues, underscoring the need for more mental

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health support after surgeries. Don't say no surgeries, don't do that. No, no, no,

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it's more therapy. All right, that'll do it for this episode.

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