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<v Speaker 1>Morning The following podcasts gramping content and material intended or

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<v Speaker 1>a mature audience listener discretion. Well, hello there, what's up.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked.

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<v Speaker 1>And Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, welcome back, day after Valentine's Day? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>How was How was everyone's Valentine's? Was it good? Was

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<v Speaker 1>it fantastic? Was it awesome?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it everything you hoped it would be?

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<v Speaker 1>We ate? Delicious? Food? Oh yeah, it's our love language.

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<v Speaker 2>Food, food, steak, seafood, mashed potatoes, garlic, bread, scallops, no vegetables.

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<v Speaker 1>Potatoes are a vegetable.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and we had mushrooms actually, and then we drink

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of wine. It was awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. That is true. Yes, So what do we

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<v Speaker 1>have to talk about today? We just passed her one

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<v Speaker 1>year we were on TV. Oh my gosh, that was

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<v Speaker 1>a whirlwind of a week.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a wicked week.

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<v Speaker 1>That was one wicked week.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy, I feel like it actually just I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was almost just like a fantasy world.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this a real I did that last episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna do it again, that same song, I think, so,

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<v Speaker 2>oh boy, is this just fantasy. Yeah, let's just I

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<v Speaker 2>was singing Ghostbusters before this, so let's keep you.

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<v Speaker 1>You were just jiving. Do you get a call? No,

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<v Speaker 1>your local authorities? Come on now, yeah, seriously, something strange

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<v Speaker 1>in your neighborhood and you're gonna call Ghostbusters? No, all

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<v Speaker 1>the police. This is a true crime podcast. You're about

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<v Speaker 1>to get murdered.

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<v Speaker 2>You call the police, Call the police in locky dolls.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we're off the wall tonight. Sorry guys.

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<v Speaker 2>See Well, honestly, okay, if it wasn't for me, we

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't even be having a podcast. Not because I did

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<v Speaker 2>all the work. You did all the work, well done,

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<v Speaker 2>but you were like basically ready to go to bed,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh we have to like.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, yeah, I almost forgot. It was just because

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<v Speaker 1>we were like Valentine's Dinner, just chilling eating good food.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like food coma and ready for bed. So oh, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Watched terrific movie. I was really into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally we watched Free Guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It was a good movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect mix of a movie for you and.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, I think because you like the romantic, happy endings

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<v Speaker 1>and for me it had Ryan Reynolds.

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<v Speaker 2>If the movie doesn't have a happy ending, why the

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<v Speaker 2>ship you watch it?

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<v Speaker 1>And if it doesn't have Ryan Reynolds, why the shit

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<v Speaker 1>are you gonna watch?

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<v Speaker 2>It's so funny that I say that because every podcast

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<v Speaker 2>we've done basically is not right.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all shitty endings.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the role of True Crime, right, Yeah, is

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<v Speaker 2>really messed.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So let's move on tho. Let's drop that there

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<v Speaker 1>are antics that we're doing here. We gotta go and

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<v Speaker 1>talk about our patrons because we've got more patrons to

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<v Speaker 1>thank this week. Are you doing it or am I?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even have a list.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have a list and I can pass you

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<v Speaker 1>the list. I'm doing it, aren't.

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<v Speaker 2>I just gonna be like I can and then you

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<v Speaker 2>go for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'll do it again because you are too chicken. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So our badass patrons that joined us last week over

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<v Speaker 1>on Patreon, we've got Brooklyn for Rello, Toya Powell, Katie Bachin,

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<v Speaker 1>I really hope I said that right, Jennifer Cooper, Tammy Johnson,

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer Abel abel Or I think it's able. Al yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty sure it's able. And Jordan Bowden. You guys are

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<v Speaker 1>all bad ass. Thank you very much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice you have some wicked patrons over there.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, we're up to one hundred and seven of just

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<v Speaker 2>wicked people like that is awesome, right, so awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you want to join us over on Patreon,

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<v Speaker 1>you can find that linked down below and you can

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<v Speaker 1>join us because why not?

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we have some people we want to thank over

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram and of course our Patreon too, who want

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<v Speaker 1>our giveaway?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah here, let me let me look here.

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<v Speaker 1>Where are We're one who had.

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<v Speaker 2>My phone because it makes weird noises in the mic,

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<v Speaker 2>so I just like, leave it, leave it away. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>yammy one, I think that's how you're gonna say. Say

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<v Speaker 2>her name, Yamale's fret over on Instagram Instagram she went

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<v Speaker 2>fifty dollars towards merch.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she.

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<v Speaker 2>Chose a hoodie. I s far. I'm pretty sure I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta still get that.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what hoodie it was that she chose.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was the wick Ingram banner hoodie.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, pretty sure, I'm sure. Over on Patreon we

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<v Speaker 1>got Kevin Kyle who there. So thank you guys for

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<v Speaker 1>entering and you won yourself some dope ass merch.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, are we not going to talk about Kyle wanted?

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<v Speaker 1>What did Kyle want to tell us right now?

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<v Speaker 2>So he wanted a death Head moth long sleeve tea.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I've been wanting a death headshirt. I know I

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<v Speaker 1>should get some.

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<v Speaker 2>Super cool good choice is well done.

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<v Speaker 1>Because if we haven't said it before, we actually have

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<v Speaker 1>to purchase our own merch because it's through Red Bubble.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's like we just tell them to print

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<v Speaker 1>on demand and it's like if we want some, we

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<v Speaker 1>actually have to purchase it too.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is kind of just like a sweet deal because

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<v Speaker 2>like we live in a tiny hill and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how do we go about doing that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, storing all this stock would not be a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>For us, So yeah it might have been because that's originally, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>how I thought we were going to do it, and

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<v Speaker 2>that would have just been a disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, there's no way fit in this house. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So are you ready to move on to this case?

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<v Speaker 2>I am redd at a party.

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<v Speaker 1>To party Party to party PRT Why because I said, so,

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<v Speaker 1>how does that go again? Oh? No, no, Ali? What

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<v Speaker 1>that is way off?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember pr P A R T. Why because I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta it's the mask. Jim Carrey.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, yeah, I was on our level because I

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<v Speaker 2>got it. There we go, Okay, are we taking a

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<v Speaker 2>little break kind of because last week was like heavy

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of people were just like, wow, wow.

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<v Speaker 1>This one is a lot different than any case we

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<v Speaker 1>have covered so far. Let me put it that way. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it is a murder, Okay, it is a mystery. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but the amount of information that is known about this

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<v Speaker 1>case is basically zero. You know, when you go into

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<v Speaker 1>an exam and it's like or a test or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and they're like, you get like one flash card.

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<v Speaker 1>You can write a one side the information to go

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<v Speaker 1>on the exam with you or something. Right, Yeah, picture

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<v Speaker 1>writing on that little index card, your normal writing size.

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<v Speaker 1>That's about the information that is known on this case.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's not how I did my index cards.

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<v Speaker 1>I know everyone's writing like super small and shit. But

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<v Speaker 1>this like, there's hardly anything. So there's there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of debate about this. There's there's not much concrete evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, now this is a crazy case though, because

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much unknown and it is one of Canada's

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<v Speaker 1>most notorious unsolved cases.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it's a Canadian case.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. So to all our Canadian friends out there,

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<v Speaker 1>here's a little bit of our history. And to all

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<v Speaker 1>those outside of Canada, you about to get learned on

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<v Speaker 1>a history as well, because I didn't know this, So

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<v Speaker 1>we're all getting learned on our history today.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm curious.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you probably don't. That's what I'm rolling the

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<v Speaker 1>dice on. I have you ever heard of the Red

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<v Speaker 1>Path Mansion murders?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, see, there we go.

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<v Speaker 2>I was hoping that I could say yes, but I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's start you off and let's paint a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a picture here. The red Paths had it all.

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<v Speaker 1>They're one of the richest families in Canada, heirs to

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<v Speaker 1>an impressive sugar fortune. Now, James Redpath was born in

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen ninety six to a working class what.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, can I interrupt red Path? Isn't that like there's

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<v Speaker 2>still a sugar name?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Holy shit, Okay, that's these people.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, sorry. I just was like, you're like ready

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<v Speaker 2>to pause because you think I need to break But

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, whoa, I've brought in Red Plot Sugar.

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<v Speaker 1>You've what Red Paths Sugar I bought? Yeah, yeah, you have.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still a company.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I'm excited. Sorry, sorry, I I'll stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, I'm glad I got you. I'm glad you

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<v Speaker 1>got that to your system.

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<v Speaker 2>It's out of my system. Sure. I was just like,

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<v Speaker 2>I recognize that, nick yase it's.

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<v Speaker 1>A legit sugar company. So James sorry. John James Redpath

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<v Speaker 1>was born nineteen seventy six to a working class farm

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<v Speaker 1>workers in Scotland. Growing up, he would work manual labor

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<v Speaker 1>jobs and he got a wealth of experience as a stonemason.

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<v Speaker 1>Now by the time John was twenty, he ended up

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<v Speaker 1>leaving Scotland in eighteen sixteen with very limited funds to

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<v Speaker 1>go board a passage on a ship. Boarding that ship,

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<v Speaker 1>he was now broke and nearly penniless, but he embarked

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<v Speaker 1>on a journey to his new life in Canada. He

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<v Speaker 1>approximately I didn't write it down, but I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was around two hundred klometers two and fifty klmeters something

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<v Speaker 1>like that off the top of my head. But anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>he walked barefoot from Quebec City to Montreal, Quebec.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, yes, like he lost his shoes on the way there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he had shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, Holy Okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember looking up the distance between the two, but

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<v Speaker 1>apparently I didn't type it in.

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<v Speaker 2>This is going to be quite the story.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, well, it definitely is. There's a rich history here.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of history in this case if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to look into the red Path family. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>dive too deep in it because this isn't a history

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<v Speaker 1>of their family case. It's more of like the murder

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<v Speaker 1>side of it. But we get a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>the history here that I'll talk about briefly. So once

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<v Speaker 1>he was there, he used his skills he learned back

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<v Speaker 1>in Scotland to land him self employment in the construction industry,

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<v Speaker 1>where he would work as a stonemason. Within a few years,

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<v Speaker 1>John was running his own sizeable construction business. Now he

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<v Speaker 1>was involved in major projects such as the construction of

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<v Speaker 1>the Lachin Channel. Now, this was a major project where

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<v Speaker 1>John found immense success where many other contractors before him

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<v Speaker 1>found only failure. So he was the one who was

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<v Speaker 1>actually able to get this project complete where no one.

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<v Speaker 2>Else was able to so he's good at what he did.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, definitely, and this led to more projects and a

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<v Speaker 1>booming business for them. Oh right on, Yeah, Now, in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen fifty four, John would go on to open another

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<v Speaker 1>business called the Red Path Sugar Company, which is still

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<v Speaker 1>in business today, like you mentioned, and is a huge

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<v Speaker 2>So that's so interesting and went from that to that,

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm not too sure. Like I said, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of history. If you want to go down

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<v Speaker 1>that tunnel, it's there. I just didn't quite bother because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also curious if that sugar sold. I'm sure it is,

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<v Speaker 2>but probably elsewhere in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm sure it's around the world for sure. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's it's definitely like one of the big heavy

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<v Speaker 2>I was just going to go and check actually to

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<v Speaker 2>sugar into a container, so that's not helpful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, if the sugar bags, no matter what brand

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<v Speaker 1>you get, they always leak, they do. They it spills out,

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<v Speaker 1>and you got sugar everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>So I also, I actually feel like if sugar was

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<v Speaker 2>in like a milk container like that would be amazing

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<v Speaker 2>and you wouldn't have to put it in another container.

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<v Speaker 1>You're fucking oh but wait, what if you're like, what

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<v Speaker 1>if you need a cup of sugar, then you have

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<v Speaker 1>to like pour it in the cup, And what if

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<v Speaker 1>back in this like jug container.

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<v Speaker 2>It wouldn't pour too much, though, I don't think it'd

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think just like a tote with

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<v Speaker 1>like a lid, it's a tote totsgoats, yoats or what

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<v Speaker 1>about just like a cardboard box with like a plastic liner.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the milk jug.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting on that milk carton.

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<v Speaker 2>Milk carton, I mean, yeah, okay, I'm sitting on that

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<v Speaker 2>like a yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>There we go. Well that aside. We're going to now

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit more about John's personal life. Okay, Together,

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<v Speaker 1>John and his wife Ada had five children, Amy Peter

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<v Speaker 1>John Reginald dope fucking name for the record, Harold and

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<v Speaker 1>Jocelyn Clifford. By all reports, the Redpath family were a

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<v Speaker 1>close family, but generally kept to themselves on a day

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<v Speaker 1>to day basis. They did not like publicity or seek

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<v Speaker 1>to be like the talk of the town per se.

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<v Speaker 1>Personal issues, feelings and moods were never really addressed, and

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<v Speaker 1>their family problems were never really a topic of conversation

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<v Speaker 1>behind closed doors, though Amy and her brother were open

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<v Speaker 1>and warm within the family. Now, Aida had been quite

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<v Speaker 1>sick for many years. So being that Amy was the

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<v Speaker 1>oldest of the children and the only daughter, she assumed

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<v Speaker 1>care of the household, being a little different terms though

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<v Speaker 1>than what were used to She was responsible for hiring things,

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<v Speaker 1>hiring maids, and providing things like financial advice to her

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<v Speaker 1>younger brothers who are now getting into the business ventures themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>The oldest sister.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, wow, so taking care of the family was a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit different to them. It was like hiring the maids.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like she's getting her brothers and sisters up

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<v Speaker 1>early in the morning at cooking breakfast. They had maids

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<v Speaker 1>and servers, and yeah, they had staff to take care

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<v Speaker 1>of them. But she was taking care of the family

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<v Speaker 1>and other terms. Right, Okay. Now, while all five of

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<v Speaker 1>the red Path children helped out their mother, Ada, Peter, Reggie,

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<v Speaker 1>and Harold were generally too busy to help, and their

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<v Speaker 1>mother's assistants began to fall heavily on Amy and Clifford,

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<v Speaker 1>who had a close relationship with their mother. Now, though

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<v Speaker 1>this is not certain exactly what sort of illness Ada

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<v Speaker 1>was stricken with, as there was no official diagnosis, it

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<v Speaker 1>is clear that it was severe. There's a letter from

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<v Speaker 1>John Redpath, who wrote to his children from New York

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen eighty and explained that Aida needed to spend

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<v Speaker 1>a day recovering from a carriage ride around the park.

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<v Speaker 1>So she was actually bad enough where just a carriage

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<v Speaker 1>ride was something she needed to recover from.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really sad, So sad it is she dies soon?

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<v Speaker 2>What's she dies soon? Here?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's get into that, shall we.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was so long ago too, it might not

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<v Speaker 2>even really known exactly what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, exactly right. There are some theories though, that she

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<v Speaker 1>may have been suffering from. Some people think rheumatoid arthritis

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<v Speaker 1>and others and some others think autoimmune disease, which are

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<v Speaker 1>like reference to some symptoms that she had with her

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<v Speaker 1>poor eyesight, pain, neurologia, that sort of stuff, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>still not known what it was. But again there's no documentation,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no proof. Pretty much everything surrounding this case is hearsay.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting, Hey, why is that the.

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<v Speaker 1>Family kept to themselves, said that they did not like publicity,

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<v Speaker 1>they did not like their aim out there in the limelight.

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<v Speaker 1>They just behind closed.

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<v Speaker 2>Doors, which honestly, there's nothing wrong with really.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's definitely nothing wrong with that, but it definitely

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<v Speaker 1>gets suspicious here a little later on when certain things occur.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I guess, yeah, sometimes when you're quiet you might

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<v Speaker 2>have something to hide.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>I never thought of that angle, very very true.

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<v Speaker 1>So, being that the Redpath family was one of, if

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<v Speaker 1>not the wealthiest family in Canada at the time, this

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<v Speaker 1>meant that they could afford some serious luxuries. And with luxuries,

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<v Speaker 1>and sorry, with wealth and luxuries comes a mansion. Generally,

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<v Speaker 1>the red Path Mansion was one of the grandest homes

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<v Speaker 1>in Montreal's Golden Square Mile. Now, this Golden Square Mile

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<v Speaker 1>is a nostalgic name given to an urban neighborhood which

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<v Speaker 1>was developed between I think it was approximately eighteen fifty

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<v Speaker 1>and around nineteen thirty, and it took it sat at

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<v Speaker 1>the foot of Mount Royal in the west central section

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<v Speaker 1>of downtown Montreal, Quebec. Awesome, glorious place.

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<v Speaker 2>Did he google it?

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<v Speaker 1>I did? Actually, it is a place where homes of

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<v Speaker 1>like many illustrious mansions sat and it was a perfect

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<v Speaker 1>place to call home for the Red.

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<v Speaker 2>Paths awesome, So I'm gonna have to google it.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see do it now. Unfortunately, John would

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<v Speaker 1>pass away before the family mansion was built. He died

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<v Speaker 1>on June fourth, eighteen eighty four. His cause of death

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<v Speaker 1>was listed as paralysis, and he was buried in the

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<v Speaker 1>Redpath family plot and the Mount Royal Cemetery. However, there

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<v Speaker 1>are some mixed reports to the day he died. Some reports,

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<v Speaker 1>actually it was far later it was, or sorry, far earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>it was eighteen sixty nine. Other reports say eighteen seventy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a variety of dates and years, so I can't

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<v Speaker 1>find a concrete one on that. I found several websites,

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<v Speaker 1>very reputable websites, having mixed years.

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<v Speaker 2>So wow, that's so interesting. I even to have a

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<v Speaker 2>death date, that's not right, huh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I say, nothing is for sure in this case. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very very odd and it was very weird to

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<v Speaker 1>research when I can't come up with any facts or very.

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<v Speaker 2>Little facts of what.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry it was. The cause of death was listed as paralysis,

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<v Speaker 1>but again, I'm not too sure if I can even

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<v Speaker 1>trust that. If I can't, if if the date I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm unsure of, I guarantee you that's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>unsure as well. Yeah, So so take that with a

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<v Speaker 1>grain of salt. So it's hard to say which is true,

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<v Speaker 1>like for any of these. But either way, the family

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<v Speaker 1>was forced to carry on without John, that we do

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<v Speaker 1>know now. The new home was built in eighteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>six at one zero six' Five Sherbrook, street and the

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<v Speaker 1>family lived there for many years as part of the

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<v Speaker 1>city's high. Society and here in their grand, mansion the

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<v Speaker 1>only thing that was extraordinary about the family was their great.

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<v Speaker 1>Wealth other than, that they're just a regular, family you,

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<v Speaker 1>know business going on with their, lives that sort of.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing but all of that was about to, change because

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<v Speaker 1>eventually the grand mansion would turn into the location, of

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<v Speaker 1>LIKE i, said one Of canada's most notorious unsolved. Murders,

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<v Speaker 1>OKAY i.

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<v Speaker 2>Was waiting for. THIS i was, like who exactly is

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<v Speaker 2>getting murdered? Here And i'm SURPRISED i haven't heard of.

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<v Speaker 1>This but, okay well buccalo seatbelts because you're about to

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<v Speaker 1>find out who gets.

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<v Speaker 2>Murdered, well, yeah this is because this is a big

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<v Speaker 2>NAME i feel like In. Canada So i'm just shocked

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<v Speaker 2>here That i'm knowing it is.

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<v Speaker 1>A very big name In. Canada and it's LIKE i,

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<v Speaker 1>said it's one of the most notorious cases out there For.

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<v Speaker 1>Canadians and it's surprising it's not more in the lime

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<v Speaker 1>light and.

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<v Speaker 2>Mainstream or that there isn't more. Known, yeah very.

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<v Speaker 1>Odd you'll understand why there's not much. Known you'll get

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<v Speaker 1>a little more details on how it was capt, hush,

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<v Speaker 1>Hush i'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost scared to.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, Okay, well there's nothing really scary about. It it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like what the, Fuck, like are you? Serious that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be your, response like are you kidding? Me,

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<v Speaker 1>Okay so, Anyways, so on the summer night Of june,

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<v Speaker 1>thirteenth nineteen oh, one at approximately six, Pm john And

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<v Speaker 1>ada's eldest, Son, peter who was thirty one at the,

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<v Speaker 1>time heard gunshots that rang through the house coming from.

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<v Speaker 1>Upstairs he ran upstairs to see what was going on

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<v Speaker 1>and found the noise coming from the locked doors of

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<v Speaker 1>his mother's. Bedroom he ran the door over and over

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<v Speaker 1>to break it down and gain, entry and when he

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<v Speaker 1>gained that, access he found a grizzly. Scene his younger,

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<v Speaker 1>brother youngest BROTHER i should, Say clifford of twenty, five

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<v Speaker 1>who had just arrived home minutes, before and their Mother

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<v Speaker 1>ada lying on the floor into pools of, blood blood

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<v Speaker 1>and a gun on the floor beside. Them.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, oh just the two of them in, there, Though.

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<v Speaker 1>Just the two of them in.

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<v Speaker 2>There, Okay so that's not a good, scene definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Not now that, right there is the majority of facts

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<v Speaker 1>that we know of this. Case what the? Shit there's

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<v Speaker 1>a bit, more but that is the majority of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Facts Because i'm like Thinking clifford did, it but it's

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<v Speaker 2>just the two of them that got. Murdered, Though, hey

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<v Speaker 2>it's not the whole fam, Correct, okay not that that's

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<v Speaker 2>not horrific and. Terrible, sorry but.

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<v Speaker 1>Well i'm going to carry on a little bit here

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<v Speaker 1>before we get into more some, theories and we'll discuss

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<v Speaker 1>it a little bit. Here, Okay So upon seeing, this

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<v Speaker 1>any person's reaction would be to call authorities and identify

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<v Speaker 1>or and, identify like what, Happened you get the scene locked.

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<v Speaker 1>Down but that's definitely not what happened next, Here no

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<v Speaker 1>police or authorities were called to the, scene only a

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<v Speaker 1>corner and from there the corner called an, inquest and

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<v Speaker 1>the next, day on the, fourteenth a corner's inquest was

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<v Speaker 1>put into. Place now corner's inquest in quest for anyone who's.

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00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:07.359
<v Speaker 1>Curious it's an inquiry into the circumstances surrounding it. Death

425
00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:11.279
<v Speaker 1>the purpose of the inquest is to find out who

426
00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:15.799
<v Speaker 1>the deceased person was and how and when and where they.

427
00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:18.599
<v Speaker 1>Died and this is all to prove details necessary for

428
00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:23.480
<v Speaker 1>their death. Registry, okay so this essentially starts like a

429
00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:27.519
<v Speaker 1>mini investigation when an inquest is put into, place not

430
00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:31.640
<v Speaker 1>really an investigation on what, happened but an investigation on.

431
00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:35.279
<v Speaker 2>Who oh they are so, sorry totally get. IT i

432
00:22:35.319 --> 00:22:38.839
<v Speaker 2>was just being quiet Because i'm thinking about why the

433
00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:41.279
<v Speaker 2>police weren't, Called so my theory might have changed my.

434
00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:44.519
<v Speaker 1>Head, now, yeah well that's a big. Thing what the

435
00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:45.759
<v Speaker 1>fuck why weren't they?

436
00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:48.200
<v Speaker 2>Called, well if you're running into a, scene like. That

437
00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:50.480
<v Speaker 2>there's no way that you wouldn't be freaking out calling

438
00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:53.160
<v Speaker 2>nine one one right, Like there's just no. Way so.

439
00:22:55.759 --> 00:22:56.119
<v Speaker 1>Hold that.

440
00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Thought i'm holding.

441
00:22:56.960 --> 00:23:00.400
<v Speaker 1>It SO a statement was taken directly From peter during the,

442
00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:02.559
<v Speaker 1>inquest AND i have a piece of that statement. Here

443
00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:06.720
<v Speaker 1>so he, SAID i saw my, brother the, deceased arriving

444
00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:10.039
<v Speaker 1>home at around six. O'clock he seemed ill and was.

445
00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Tired he went up to the room of my. MOTHER

446
00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:16.160
<v Speaker 1>a few seconds, LATER i heard a gunshot from a,

447
00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:20.680
<v Speaker 1>firearm followed by two. OTHERS i ran up and broke

448
00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:22.960
<v Speaker 1>down the. DOOR i saw my mother lying on the

449
00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:26.519
<v Speaker 1>floor and several free from. Her my brother also lying

450
00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:30.200
<v Speaker 1>in a pool of, blood a revolver a foot away from,

451
00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:39.559
<v Speaker 1>him near his. Hand. Interesting, Interesting, Interesting now even stranger

452
00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:42.960
<v Speaker 1>than all, this considering the mysterious circumstances surrounding the two.

453
00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Death the inquest was opened and closed within forty eight

454
00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:52.119
<v Speaker 1>hours of the, shooting and both of their bodies were

455
00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:56.119
<v Speaker 1>buried within that forty eight hours as. Well, wow so

456
00:23:56.440 --> 00:24:01.200
<v Speaker 1>forty eight hours after the trigger was, pulled the inquest is.

457
00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:05.039
<v Speaker 1>Closed the case is closed because literally no investigation took,

458
00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:07.839
<v Speaker 1>place and they're buried in the. Cemetery.

459
00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Money money can do some things for, you can.

460
00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:18.079
<v Speaker 1>It definitely, can definitely. Can. Interesting, so, now the Red

461
00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:23.440
<v Speaker 1>paths never discussed the tragic, events either among themselves or.

462
00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Publicly so what happened To ada And Clifford? Redpath who murdered?

463
00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Them was it an? Accident? Murder? Suicide and why wouldn't

464
00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:39.559
<v Speaker 1>their families want a full? Investigation who? Knows all un answered?

465
00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Questions because, sorry there would still be three of? Them

466
00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:45.200
<v Speaker 2>three of the children? Alive? Correct?

467
00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Four?

468
00:24:46.599 --> 00:24:49.519
<v Speaker 2>Four? Oh they had five? Children five, children, yes, okay

469
00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:53.599
<v Speaker 2>so both parents have been deceased in one and the youngest.

470
00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Child, yeah so that leaves four, left, Okay and the

471
00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:00.000
<v Speaker 1>only person at home at the time was the oldest,

472
00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:05.440
<v Speaker 1>sibling oldest, SON i should, say which Is? Peter?

473
00:25:05.839 --> 00:25:08.160
<v Speaker 2>Really? OKAY i didn't realize that was the only one.

474
00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:11.119
<v Speaker 1>Home, Well i'm pretty sure he's the only one. Home.

475
00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:16.519
<v Speaker 1>Huh officially, speaking, though we don't have an answer that

476
00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:20.039
<v Speaker 1>came from the, inquest the, RECORDS i, mean we do

477
00:25:20.119 --> 00:25:23.799
<v Speaker 1>have we do officially have an, ANSWER i should. Say

478
00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:28.200
<v Speaker 1>the record states That clifford had an epileptic seizure while

479
00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:32.279
<v Speaker 1>holding the revolver and shot his mother in a quote

480
00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:39.240
<v Speaker 1>unquote temp while temporary temporarily, insane so having an epileptic,

481
00:25:39.279 --> 00:25:43.319
<v Speaker 1>seizure he shot his mother while temporarily. Insane, okay, then

482
00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:46.599
<v Speaker 1>once regaining control of, himself stricken by grief on what

483
00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:49.960
<v Speaker 1>he had, done turned the revolver towards. Himself that is

484
00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:53.200
<v Speaker 1>the official in quest results on what.

485
00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Happened, really that's what they. Determined, yep.

486
00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:01.359
<v Speaker 1>HUH a biggie with this case is that since there

487
00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:04.359
<v Speaker 1>was never a real investigation that had taken, place there's

488
00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:08.680
<v Speaker 1>no concrete records of what, happened only newspaper. Accounts LIKE i,

489
00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:15.039
<v Speaker 1>said it's it's there's no proof of. Anything and even

490
00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:17.839
<v Speaker 1>the newspaper accounts that we are referring to they all

491
00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:22.640
<v Speaker 1>contradict themselves, basically so everything is hearsay after.

492
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:25.599
<v Speaker 2>This it's just like no one wanted to step on

493
00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:28.759
<v Speaker 2>their toes or do anything to like what is the,

494
00:26:28.759 --> 00:26:30.160
<v Speaker 2>saying stir the, Mud, no.

495
00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:33.279
<v Speaker 1>Stir the, mud stir the?

496
00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Mud, Wow like no one wanted to EVEN i don't,

497
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:39.079
<v Speaker 2>know touch, This hey.

498
00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:42.839
<v Speaker 1>WELL i don't Think, YEAH i, mean how do you

499
00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:45.519
<v Speaker 1>even especially if you are going to go and, Investigate,

500
00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:49.440
<v Speaker 1>okay let's investigate. This where the Bodies, oh they're. Buried

501
00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:51.799
<v Speaker 1>where's the crime? Scene, oh it's cleaned.

502
00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:55.279
<v Speaker 2>Up but even prior to, though no one wanted anything

503
00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:57.279
<v Speaker 2>to do with. It, yeah it's JUST i think it's

504
00:26:57.279 --> 00:27:00.720
<v Speaker 2>because the family was maybe so powerful and, wealthy wanted

505
00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:01.400
<v Speaker 2>anything to do with.

506
00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:06.000
<v Speaker 1>This money. Talks money buys pretty much, anything which is

507
00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:09.359
<v Speaker 1>frightening to think. ABOUT i, mean look at human. Trafficking

508
00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:14.519
<v Speaker 1>money can literally buy a human. Life i'm sure it

509
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:14.960
<v Speaker 1>can buy.

510
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:17.319
<v Speaker 2>Silence and because you said they were one of the

511
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:20.240
<v Speaker 2>most wealthiest families In, canada, really, right.

512
00:27:20.119 --> 00:27:25.640
<v Speaker 1>If not the, Wealthiest, yes there you. Go so who's to, say.

513
00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:29.960
<v Speaker 2>And the oldest would have had act probably the most

514
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:33.359
<v Speaker 2>access to that. Too potentially the.

515
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:36.759
<v Speaker 1>Oldest would be their, daughter which was what's her? Name?

516
00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:39.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay SO i was thinking the one that was home.

517
00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:43.839
<v Speaker 1>That would Be. Peter, Okay so the oldest, son but

518
00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:47.440
<v Speaker 1>the only one older than him was their only Daughter, amy, Right.

519
00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay So, peter though actually initially claimed that the night

520
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:54.920
<v Speaker 1>of the shooting he heard two, shots but then later

521
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:56.519
<v Speaker 1>went on to change his story to say three.

522
00:27:56.559 --> 00:28:00.160
<v Speaker 2>Shots, really and you would, REMEMBER i feel.

523
00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:02.599
<v Speaker 1>WELL a lot of stuff is very inconsistent with this.

524
00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Case even when talking to. Witnesses he also claimed that

525
00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:09.039
<v Speaker 1>one revolver was found of the, scene but a doctor

526
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:13.200
<v Speaker 1>testified later that there were actually, two which suggests an

527
00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:15.759
<v Speaker 1>accomplice or potentially even an. Intruder.

528
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Huh ALL i want to keep saying is.

529
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:25.519
<v Speaker 1>Interesting so this is literally like the game what's that like,

530
00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:29.400
<v Speaker 1>clue like who did it in the murder? Mystery, well,

531
00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:32.319
<v Speaker 1>no that that's literally just a type of game that's

532
00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:35.680
<v Speaker 1>like saying video, GAME i don't, know clue the board

533
00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:37.680
<v Speaker 1>game where it's like who did it in the like

534
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:42.920
<v Speaker 1>who did the? Murder like Colonel Colonel mustard did? It

535
00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:45.599
<v Speaker 1>or killed so and so in the library with the lead.

536
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Pipe it's it's been so long SINCE i played that.

537
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:50.839
<v Speaker 1>GAME i think it's like it's like that you just

538
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:54.039
<v Speaker 1>there's so much to put together and you're just randomly

539
00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:57.119
<v Speaker 1>saying this half the time because you don't know unless

540
00:28:57.119 --> 00:28:59.079
<v Speaker 1>you're really good at the. GAME i never was. Anyways

541
00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:02.880
<v Speaker 1>but one of the doctors actually who arrived at the

542
00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:06.880
<v Speaker 1>scene claimed That clifford had foam in his, mouth which could,

543
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:09.119
<v Speaker 1>potentially you, know coincide with the.

544
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Seizure, okay OR i was going to, say couldn't that

545
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:15.359
<v Speaker 2>be like strangling? Too, WELL i guess you'd see it

546
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:17.079
<v Speaker 2>on the neck, Though BUT i.

547
00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Mean there was no real investigation for, that so foam

548
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:22.920
<v Speaker 1>with mouth would be. Obvious maybe not redness at the

549
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:25.680
<v Speaker 1>neck or something might not be who. Knows but the

550
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>family physician testified That clifford may have shot his, mother you,

551
00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>know LIKE i. Said but the thing, is there's no

552
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:37.720
<v Speaker 1>medical history or family records suggesting That clifford ever suffered from.

553
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:41.839
<v Speaker 1>Epilepsy seizures, was as far as records, go not a

554
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:48.200
<v Speaker 1>thing for. Him so if it was, seizures it's not, known.

555
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:52.359
<v Speaker 2>And especially to have one to that degree but then

556
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:54.119
<v Speaker 2>have had nothing prior.

557
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:56.079
<v Speaker 1>To you, know oh, Yeah AND i mean like a

558
00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:59.599
<v Speaker 1>seizure to the degree of insanity.

559
00:29:58.799 --> 00:29:59.799
<v Speaker 2>Where you're shooting your.

560
00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:03.039
<v Speaker 1>Mind that's. CRAZY i could, See, okay maybe you're holding

561
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:04.519
<v Speaker 1>the gun and if you have a seizure and your

562
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:07.480
<v Speaker 1>muscles tense up or something and you pull the trigger

563
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:11.759
<v Speaker 1>and you're like kind of seizing and, convulsing and you

564
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:14.200
<v Speaker 1>accidentally pull the trigger and once your muscles start, relaxing

565
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:17.160
<v Speaker 1>then you're stricken or. Whatever but a seizure to the

566
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:19.720
<v Speaker 1>point of, Insanity i've never heard of that.

567
00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:22.240
<v Speaker 2>Before, well and why was he holding a gun, too, right,

568
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:25.799
<v Speaker 2>right like, yeah.

569
00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:30.279
<v Speaker 1>So especially moments after getting, home like his brother. Suggested,

570
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:35.279
<v Speaker 1>now some theorized that it could have been quote unquote

571
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:40.839
<v Speaker 1>mercy killing As ada was bedridden with her illness and

572
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:45.160
<v Speaker 1>suffered with them for a long, time so putting her

573
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:48.240
<v Speaker 1>out of her misery was a last resort and an

574
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:51.240
<v Speaker 1>attempt to help her or free. Her, now as For,

575
00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:53.319
<v Speaker 1>clifford maybe he couldn't live with the fact that he

576
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:56.720
<v Speaker 1>shot his, mom no matter the intention or the will

577
00:30:56.920 --> 00:31:00.960
<v Speaker 1>goodwill behind. It maybe he just couldn't stand seeing his

578
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:03.920
<v Speaker 1>mom like, that thought Like i'm putting her out of her,

579
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:06.880
<v Speaker 1>misery and then afterwards he couldn't regretted it LIKE i

580
00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:09.039
<v Speaker 1>couldn't live with, it and pulled entering the gun on.

581
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:12.319
<v Speaker 2>Himself which does make sense for the coming home right,

582
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.799
<v Speaker 2>away because, say if she had asked for, that or

583
00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:18.000
<v Speaker 2>was the plan or, whatever he maybe you just come

584
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:20.920
<v Speaker 2>home and do it really quick or. Whatever, Right, maybe

585
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:23.759
<v Speaker 2>so that part kind of makes sense with the just

586
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:26.000
<v Speaker 2>getting home and doing. It but but.

587
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:28.119
<v Speaker 1>Then why would she ask the youngest son to do?

588
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:30.920
<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't you ask the oldest to do that to

589
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:31.240
<v Speaker 1>bear that?

590
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Responsibility, well not, necessarily we don't know their personalities and

591
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:37.720
<v Speaker 2>stuff right, now we don't she thought that it would

592
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:38.720
<v Speaker 2>affect him less or.

593
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Something, yeah but we do know that the mother had

594
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:43.720
<v Speaker 1>a good relationship With, clifford, Right clifford was one of

595
00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:45.359
<v Speaker 1>the ones who was closest.

596
00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:46.599
<v Speaker 2>With her and the. Daughter, yes.

597
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:51.359
<v Speaker 1>Huh now another theory talks about something a little more, terrifying,

598
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:53.880
<v Speaker 1>though that loved one trying to end their mother's pain,

599
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:57.240
<v Speaker 1>is you, know not quite as bad as. This peter

600
00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:01.880
<v Speaker 1>later claimed that his Brother clifford was a homosexual and

601
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:05.039
<v Speaker 1>that he may have intended to tell his mother that

602
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:09.880
<v Speaker 1>night and it could potentially have been a coming out gone. Wrong,

603
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:13.079
<v Speaker 1>now think of, it think of it this, way a

604
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:19.279
<v Speaker 1>high class family in like late eighteen hundreds having a gay.

605
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:22.839
<v Speaker 1>Son that would not be something that a wealthy family

606
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:25.359
<v Speaker 1>would stand. For i'm SURE i can imagine the only

607
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:27.839
<v Speaker 1>thing that they would. Like think towards that that it's

608
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:31.359
<v Speaker 1>like soiling their name and that an argument could ensue

609
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:34.920
<v Speaker 1>and you, know name, calling hatred being thrown back and,

610
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:37.920
<v Speaker 1>forth potentially even revenge being thrown into the.

611
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:41.119
<v Speaker 2>Mix, well were they a religious family, TOO i, wonder,

612
00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:42.720
<v Speaker 2>right because then that would make it even.

613
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Worse i'm not too certain if they were, religious BUT

614
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:47.400
<v Speaker 1>i do know that religion was a lot more prominent

615
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:50.799
<v Speaker 1>in that, time especially well especially considering today's. Age but,

616
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:54.839
<v Speaker 1>yeah ALL i know is that this is a fucking

617
00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:59.839
<v Speaker 1>mind twisting brain. Fucker if that's a, SENTENCE i don't,

618
00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:00.680
<v Speaker 1>know but that's what it.

619
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:02.839
<v Speaker 2>IS i don't THINK i don't believe that.

620
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:07.079
<v Speaker 1>Theory, No, okay, well BEFORE i go, on what's your?

621
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:13.160
<v Speaker 2>THEORY i think that what the frick's his? Name the oldest, Son, Peter.

622
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.759
<v Speaker 2>PETER i Think peter did. IT i Think peter's an.

623
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:19.839
<v Speaker 1>ASSHOLE i Think peter did it. Too i've got a

624
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Theory i'm going to cover here at the. End i've

625
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:23.359
<v Speaker 1>got one more Theory i'm going to talk about first

626
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:24.079
<v Speaker 1>before we go.

627
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:27.039
<v Speaker 2>There BUT i have to finish off That peter. THEORY

628
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:29.400
<v Speaker 2>i think it's because he's an asshole and maybe had

629
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:32.720
<v Speaker 2>some sort of jealousy or something towards the relationship That

630
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:35.720
<v Speaker 2>clifford had with his. Mother, potentially it's kind of my.

631
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Thought, Okay So i'll cover this one first and we'll

632
00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:44.240
<v Speaker 1>touch on. That family rumors also suggested That clifford had

633
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.759
<v Speaker 1>an affair with one of the family's maids. Now even

634
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:51.720
<v Speaker 1>though affairs at this time were rather normal for the,

635
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:54.559
<v Speaker 1>ERA i should say an affair could have done much

636
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:57.240
<v Speaker 1>in the same to the family name as a potential

637
00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:00.319
<v Speaker 1>gay son perhaps could. Do And ada was going to

638
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:02.200
<v Speaker 1>let her son drag the family name through the mud

639
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:05.240
<v Speaker 1>in this scenario as, well sparking a, similar similar argument

640
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:10.679
<v Speaker 1>and similar. Outcome so there's that. THEORY i still don't.

641
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Even see how that would be the outcome of the

642
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Mat the mom was outrage like, what so she Kills,

643
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:15.920
<v Speaker 2>clifford and then what kills?

644
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:20.679
<v Speaker 1>Herself like, no they, argued And clifford shoots her.

645
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:21.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh and then shoots.

646
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Himself, yes but that one still doesn't make sense to,

647
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:28.280
<v Speaker 1>me especially, because LIKE i just, said affairs are not

648
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:32.519
<v Speaker 1>an uncommon thing at this. Time would that really be an,

649
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:35.440
<v Speaker 1>issue especially for a family with, money being, like, oh

650
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:37.559
<v Speaker 1>let's just pay her, off.

651
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:39.199
<v Speaker 2>Pay out the maid or something, else.

652
00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Or even still your word against. Ours it was very frequent,

653
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:47.599
<v Speaker 1>that you, know higher powered families would just toss loved,

654
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:50.639
<v Speaker 1>ones not loved, ones but toss affairs aside because of

655
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:53.079
<v Speaker 1>power being, involved being like you're nothing compared to.

656
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Us Poor. CLIFFORD i feel like his name just being

657
00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:57.119
<v Speaker 2>dragged to the mud.

658
00:34:57.159 --> 00:34:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Here, WELL i mean that's very good potential of.

659
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:02.840
<v Speaker 2>THAT i guess for some, REASON i feel LIKE i like,

660
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:07.239
<v Speaker 2>him you Like. CLIFFORD i have absolutely no information about,

661
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:09.239
<v Speaker 2>him BUT i just get the sense THAT i like

662
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:10.199
<v Speaker 2>him for some weird.

663
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Reason, well maybe he's a good.

664
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Guy i'm being biased.

665
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Here the problem is we don't. Know he might have

666
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:20.039
<v Speaker 1>been a good. Guy he might have been the.

667
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Protagonist he could have been a super, asshole.

668
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:26.119
<v Speaker 1>He could be the. Antagonist we don't. Know there's no.

669
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:28.039
<v Speaker 1>Result we're never going to know the result of. This

670
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:31.679
<v Speaker 1>that's the. Problem there's no, information there will never be.

671
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Information it's just that's.

672
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:39.679
<v Speaker 2>IT i can't believe that they're that high up there

673
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:42.360
<v Speaker 2>of status and that no one knows, anything and just mind,

674
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:43.239
<v Speaker 2>blowing mind.

675
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Blowing, WELL i do agree with, you, THOUGH i do

676
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Think peter was. Responsible so this is WHAT i. Think

677
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.079
<v Speaker 1>i've done a little bit of digging around theories surrounding

678
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:56.199
<v Speaker 1>him and motives and because of families, secrecy alongside the

679
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:59.320
<v Speaker 1>fact that they were essentially no investigations in the death or.

680
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Anything but everything around that is like, literally LIKE i,

681
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:08.480
<v Speaker 1>said pure speculation with no. Evidence so my theory my personal,

682
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:11.239
<v Speaker 1>theory WHAT i think is That peter was upset with

683
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:14.519
<v Speaker 1>his brother and mother for. Something WHAT i, mean my

684
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:18.480
<v Speaker 1>guess is. Money money does crazy things to, people and

685
00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:21.280
<v Speaker 1>the family business is where they all held their. Pride,

686
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:26.599
<v Speaker 1>now Perhaps, clifford being the youngest sibling and closest with the,

687
00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:30.320
<v Speaker 1>mother was getting special attention From. Aida she could have

688
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:33.480
<v Speaker 1>been giving him more, money or leaving him in charge

689
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:37.320
<v Speaker 1>of the business or, ventures or potentially even. WILLS i don't,

690
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:41.920
<v Speaker 1>know but whatever it, IS i Think peter thought it

691
00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:45.559
<v Speaker 1>was irresponsible and he thought, him being the oldest, son

692
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:50.519
<v Speaker 1>should be the one should be getting, this whether it

693
00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:53.000
<v Speaker 1>be in the, will being more in charge of, business

694
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:56.000
<v Speaker 1>or maybe it's even the attention From. Aida either, WAY

695
00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:58.880
<v Speaker 1>i Think peter wanted control of The Red paths, estate

696
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:02.119
<v Speaker 1>or at least more of. It he didn't like what

697
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:04.559
<v Speaker 1>his mother was, doing and he didn't like the attention

698
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:08.760
<v Speaker 1>his baby brother was. Getting Perhaps clifford was, gay maybe who,

699
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:10.559
<v Speaker 1>Knows maybe that was enough of a reason for him

700
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:13.679
<v Speaker 1>to kill his own brother in cold. Blood but In peter's,

701
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:17.840
<v Speaker 1>eyes these two were holding him and his family business,

702
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:20.599
<v Speaker 1>back and so they had to. Go so he took

703
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.079
<v Speaker 1>matters into his own hands and ensured that they were

704
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:28.639
<v Speaker 1>out of the. Picture that's WHAT i. Think. HMM i hate.

705
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:31.360
<v Speaker 2>THAT i literally just hate all of that because who

706
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:33.760
<v Speaker 2>cares if you're the oldest? Sibling in my, opinion like who?

707
00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:36.280
<v Speaker 2>Cares you have to like earn, That oh, YEAH i

708
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:39.320
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent have to earn if you're taking care

709
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:42.159
<v Speaker 2>of the business or and just being oldest does not

710
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:46.599
<v Speaker 2>always make you like the smartest or anything like like

711
00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:49.119
<v Speaker 2>who cares that you're the? Oldest?

712
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:53.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, NO i completely agree with, you like, one but

713
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:55.719
<v Speaker 1>if you look at like the old school way of.

714
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Thinking the old school, way, yeah.

715
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:00.639
<v Speaker 1>The oldest, son you, know look at that if you're

716
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:04.199
<v Speaker 1>the oldest son in, Royalty, yeah you're like you're the

717
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:07.280
<v Speaker 1>next in line to be king your, prience. Right. Yeah

718
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:12.199
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's how it was so for a family

719
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:15.039
<v Speaker 1>of such high status like, that the oldest son is

720
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:17.559
<v Speaker 1>going to do what take over the. Business he's next in.

721
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Line SO i Think peter had that mentality Of i'm

722
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:24.480
<v Speaker 1>next in. Line why Is clifford getting the? Attention why

723
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:26.800
<v Speaker 1>Is mom giving him the? Attention it should be?

724
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:30.199
<v Speaker 2>Me and meanwhile they're probably just bonding or he's probably

725
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:32.559
<v Speaker 2>taking care of her some. Shit so it's just, like

726
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:36.480
<v Speaker 2>for love Of, GOD i don't love this story at,

727
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:39.840
<v Speaker 2>all AND i really wish there was more information.

728
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:43.519
<v Speaker 1>There LIKE i, said we're strapped for. Information this is.

729
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:43.719
<v Speaker 2>It.

730
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Wow so what do you, Think, like do you agree

731
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:48.800
<v Speaker 1>with my thoughts On peter?

732
00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:55.280
<v Speaker 2>THERE i, do, Yes LIKE i THINK i definitely think

733
00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:58.880
<v Speaker 2>that it was Not. CLIFFORD i JUST i don't know

734
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:01.559
<v Speaker 2>for some, reason it's just not settling with. Me AND

735
00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:03.400
<v Speaker 2>i do think it was, him AND i think there

736
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:08.920
<v Speaker 2>was definitely like some jealousy going on, there and especially

737
00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:10.119
<v Speaker 2>if he made it so that he was like the

738
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:12.480
<v Speaker 2>only one home kind of thing. Too write like he

739
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.039
<v Speaker 2>was probably thinking this. Through he's being very strategic with,

740
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:17.239
<v Speaker 2>it and then HE i don't, know he must have

741
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:20.119
<v Speaker 2>used money or his power or something to do. More

742
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:23.599
<v Speaker 2>because the fact that this was not looked investigated is

743
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:25.960
<v Speaker 2>just nuts, fucked it's.

744
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Nuts it's absolutely. Insane so whatever the, case, though the

745
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:34.199
<v Speaker 1>truth and what really happened will probably it won't ever be.

746
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Known the story of what happened was quite literally buried

747
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:41.119
<v Speaker 1>With clifford And ada within forty eight. Hours the mansion

748
00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:45.760
<v Speaker 1>itself actually sat empty since nineteen eighty, six and was

749
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:48.559
<v Speaker 1>hardly standing on its own even in more recent, years

750
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:51.960
<v Speaker 1>until it was actually demolished in nineteen Or march nineteenth

751
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:56.679
<v Speaker 1>of twenty. Fourteen what the. Heck, yeah the property owner

752
00:39:56.960 --> 00:39:57.880
<v Speaker 1>just kind of let it wrought.

753
00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Away i'm so surprised by. That, yeah that they could

754
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:01.159
<v Speaker 2>have made that.

755
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Into there were some people trying to save the, building

756
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:08.039
<v Speaker 1>but it was just it was not taken care. Of

757
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:12.000
<v Speaker 1>it was, dilapidated it was it was. Garbage, yeah the

758
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:15.119
<v Speaker 1>building owner just let it rot.

759
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:19.119
<v Speaker 2>Because it'd be really interesting to visit that. Nowadays but

760
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:21.800
<v Speaker 2>then also two people to get murdered in. There so,

761
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:25.079
<v Speaker 2>yeah not the great of the greatest of. Histories.

762
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Huh so that is the case of The Red Path mansion.

763
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:32.400
<v Speaker 2>MURDERS i would be so intrigued too to know, if,

764
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:35.000
<v Speaker 2>like if the dad had survived or still, lived if

765
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:36.880
<v Speaker 2>something like this could even have, happened you.

766
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:40.639
<v Speaker 1>Know, yeah that's. True it's hard to. Say maybe he

767
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:43.800
<v Speaker 1>would have been on that hit list, too because maybe someone,

768
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:45.960
<v Speaker 1>thinks you, KNOW i got to get through him to

769
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:47.639
<v Speaker 1>be the one who has controlled the.

770
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Estate oh, wow h.

771
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:52.079
<v Speaker 1>Hm so it could have been even more gruesome.

772
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:55.159
<v Speaker 2>Then and then This peter guy just went on his

773
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:59.360
<v Speaker 2>way and still made. Sugar and, yeah blah blah, blah

774
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:02.559
<v Speaker 2>and The Red Path Sugar company is still selling sugar.

775
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Today.

776
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:08.639
<v Speaker 2>INTERESTING i don't know If i'm ever gonna look At

777
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Red Path sugar again the same.

778
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:15.039
<v Speaker 1>Way just it's kind of a funny little way to

779
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:17.719
<v Speaker 1>look at. It Red path just to me is like

780
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:18.599
<v Speaker 1>a path painted in.

781
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Blood, YEAH i hate, that thanks a. LOT i already went,

782
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:23.360
<v Speaker 2>there AND i just don't love. This what's the other

783
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:25.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of sugar? Brands i'm gonna buy the other.

784
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:29.639
<v Speaker 1>Just going right for someone else because you can't even

785
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:30.400
<v Speaker 1>think of it, Now.

786
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh my, goodness huh, wow what a.

787
00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Story, Yeah and and to be, Fair i'm sure that

788
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:41.639
<v Speaker 1>The Red Path Sugar company is a very well built.

789
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:44.039
<v Speaker 1>Company it's not. Fine i'm sure they're not like they're

790
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:47.039
<v Speaker 1>actually built on a blood path or. Anything i'm just

791
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:50.880
<v Speaker 1>the one person just wanted to get in that business

792
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:53.159
<v Speaker 1>and had potentially had to get into the business and

793
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:54.440
<v Speaker 1>needed to do what they needed to.

794
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Do so, yeah it does have it does have a

795
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:02.159
<v Speaker 2>VERY i don't even know the word, here but unsettling.

796
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:07.039
<v Speaker 2>History oh, Yeah.

797
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:08.360
<v Speaker 1>SO i want everyone out there, listening hit us up

798
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:11.679
<v Speaker 1>on social, media let us know what you think, happened

799
00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:15.480
<v Speaker 1>because this is a weird. Case this is a weird

800
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:18.840
<v Speaker 1>episode because of the lack of, Information SO i want

801
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:19.239
<v Speaker 1>to hear your.

802
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:22.000
<v Speaker 2>THEORIES i mean, really the main theories are it's Like

803
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.480
<v Speaker 2>clifford or It's, peter, RIGHT i.

804
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Mean the main. Ones, yeah there are potential thoughts of you,

805
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.400
<v Speaker 1>know being intruders Or i'm sure the hired hit, men

806
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:32.119
<v Speaker 1>like it's the list literally goes, On, YEAH i. Could

807
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:39.800
<v Speaker 1>there's no evidence to suggest, anything so anything is just a.

808
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Theory, Okay Well i'm gonna get off here and go

809
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:46.440
<v Speaker 2>look at this match BECAUSE i want to see what

810
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:48.199
<v Speaker 2>looks all.

811
00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:50.719
<v Speaker 1>Right, well thanks for, listening, guys don't get to hit.

812
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:52.760
<v Speaker 1>Up our social media is down. Below that's where you

813
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:54.519
<v Speaker 1>can let us know what your theory is in this.

814
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:58.639
<v Speaker 1>Case Our patreon link below as, well and the footnotes

815
00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:02.679
<v Speaker 1>of this. Show you've got Arch, yeah you got it.

816
00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:03.719
<v Speaker 1>All we're out.

817
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:06.880
<v Speaker 2>There we're out, there so thanks for. Listening you guys are.

818
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Awesome, yeah we appreciate you being. Here and as of,

819
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:11.199
<v Speaker 1>course as, always.

820
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:13.159
<v Speaker 2>Until next, episode stay.

821
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:13.559
<v Speaker 1>Wicked