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Speaker 3: There we go. It's a wicked week, for sure. We
Speaker 3: got some wicked stuff we got to talk about.
Speaker 1: We do, we have, We got lots of shit to
Speaker 1: catch up on here.
Speaker 3: First and foremost, it's fucking snowing outside right now, so
Speaker 3: that's not cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the date. It's April eighteenth. Then it's snowing, yep,
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Speaker 3: else you got? We got pumpkins, Thankfully they're not going
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we are gonna have an pumpkin patch. Well you've
Speaker 1: always loved growing pumpkins, Oh, pumpkins, dope, and this year
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Speaker 3: Well, i've grown pumpkins before. I've done upwards of I
Speaker 3: think like six pumpkin plants at a time. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: the most I think i've yielded in a year year's
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Speaker 1: At our first house.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, so yeah, now we've we germinated some
Speaker 3: seeds and we've got total of thirty pumpkin plants.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're already like two to three inches high. I've
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Speaker 1: I said twelve?
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Speaker 3: So with all that being said, I think you wrapped
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Speaker 1: Need to I feel like that was everything we had
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Speaker 3: Maybe we should give your voice a little bit of
Speaker 3: a rest. Hey, you sounded a bit raspy.
Speaker 1: Take that sip already I thought I was doing good.
Speaker 3: Well, not any more raspy. You just I can still
Speaker 3: hear your voices raspy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's still times in the day where it's like
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well you've been putting up with it for a while.
Speaker 1: So I know this. This is just my life now.
Speaker 1: I don't even notice. This is just who I am.
Speaker 3: Yeah, You've just you've just grown to accept it. Yeah
Speaker 3: all right, Well I'll give you that rest that you
Speaker 3: need for your voice, and I'm taking on today's episode
Speaker 3: with the Badass of the Century, if I may say that.
Speaker 3: So we are talking about a certain case here. We
Speaker 3: are covering a survivor case. I mentioned that in a
Speaker 3: previous episode that my next one would be a survivor case.
Speaker 3: So this is the survivor case, the Badass of the
Speaker 3: Century obviously the Badass of the day on this episode
Speaker 3: of Alison Botha. Do you know that name?
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm going to be getting in trouble
Speaker 1: when I say I don't. But the thing is I
Speaker 1: probably do. I'm just terrible at names, and like, once
Speaker 1: you start getting into it, I'll remember most likely.
Speaker 3: I know we've discussed details on her name before, so
Speaker 3: you definitely know who she is, but you probably just
Speaker 3: can't remember the name or place it exactly. You soon will,
Speaker 3: let's say that, So this is her story. I am
Speaker 3: going to not be telling the story as much as
Speaker 3: I can of her accusers, Okay. So it's it's strictly
Speaker 3: as much as I can for her. All Right, you
Speaker 3: ready for this?
Speaker 1: I'm ready, okay.
Speaker 3: So Allison was born on September twenty second in nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty six in Port Elizabeth, South Africa. Now, unfortunately, Allison's
Speaker 3: parents went through a divorce when she was only ten
Speaker 3: years old, something that is quite unfortunate, that is all
Speaker 3: too common in today's society, but it kind of is
Speaker 3: the world that we're in. So Allison would spend her
Speaker 3: life or sorry, most of her childhood living with her
Speaker 3: mother and brother, so she had developed a very close
Speaker 3: relationship with her MoMA, specifically in her early years, Alison
Speaker 3: led pretty much a fairly normal life. She served as
Speaker 3: head girl at her high school for girls in Port Elizabeth.
Speaker 3: When she finished her education, she spent a few years
Speaker 3: traveling abroad. She was never quite sure what she wanted
Speaker 3: to do with her life as for a living or anything,
Speaker 3: and eventually when she did come home from abroad, her
Speaker 3: mom was like quite happy to have her back. So
Speaker 3: after she returned home, Alison did find a job as
Speaker 3: an insurance broker, which she enjoyed quite a bit right on,
Speaker 3: So she was just kind of living her life finding
Speaker 3: out who she was, not too sure who she was,
Speaker 3: exploring herself in life.
Speaker 1: You know, that sounds common. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people go through that.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent, and I mean honestly and that young.
Speaker 3: I miss those those days, you know, just kind of exploring,
Speaker 3: trying to figure out who you are. Now I'm just
Speaker 3: trying to figure out which way I can bend over
Speaker 3: so my back doesn't hurt, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Still on the season. I just feel like I'm figuring
Speaker 1: out who I am. Yeah, does it ever really end?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I don't think it does. And I think that's kind
Speaker 3: of a cool part of life though, is you're always developing,
Speaker 3: you're always growing, So that's.
Speaker 1: Kind of cool exactly.
Speaker 3: But I definitely miss trying to figure out who I
Speaker 3: was when when I didn't have joint pain, you know.
Speaker 1: And like bills and a bunch of responsibilities and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I could stay up till three am, wake
Speaker 3: up at six am for work.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh that would kill you.
Speaker 3: Now I'm in bed by nine o'clock and that's.
Speaker 1: Even sinhen I was going to be like seven or eight,
Speaker 1: I'm like, who are you hey? Who are you hey?
Speaker 3: I do that when I'm really tired. I've had long weeks. Okay,
Speaker 3: I have a nice cup of tea and I go
Speaker 3: to bed early.
Speaker 1: I know what. I'm just like, Wow, who am I
Speaker 1: married to?
Speaker 3: I'm married to responsible adults? Okay, I said that we're
Speaker 3: responsible adult I said, I don't know. I can't replicate it,
Speaker 3: but it was weird, you know what I mean. Anyways,
Speaker 3: care moving on, on the evening of December eighteenth, nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety four, Allison was at the time twenty seven years
Speaker 3: old when she had spent that evening hanging out with
Speaker 3: some of her friends. Now they went to the beach
Speaker 3: and enjoyed each other's company, and even though it was December,
Speaker 3: you know, in South Africa that's summertime, whereas here in
Speaker 3: Canada that's dead of winter. So they're rocking the beach,
Speaker 3: you know, the warm weather, suns shine in, just having.
Speaker 1: A good old time sounds awesome.
Speaker 3: Right, I want to go to the beach right now
Speaker 3: in fast till me too. When they were done at
Speaker 3: the beach, they went ended up going back to Alison's
Speaker 3: place where they ordered pizza and they continued to play
Speaker 3: games and stuff just have fun. It was around one
Speaker 3: am when they decided to call it an evening, and
Speaker 3: Allison ended up ended up driving sorry one of her
Speaker 3: friends home before heading back to her home herself. Now,
Speaker 3: she pulled up to her usual parking spot that she
Speaker 3: had just left and it was occupied. Someone had taken it,
Speaker 3: so she was forced to find somewhere else to park
Speaker 3: her vehicle. So she drove around the block and found
Speaker 3: somewhere not too far away to park, and just when
Speaker 3: she began to get out of her car, suddenly, out
Speaker 3: of the shadows of the dark evening, a man brandishing
Speaker 3: a knife threatened her.
Speaker 1: Dang.
Speaker 3: He made his way into the car and said, I
Speaker 3: quote move over or I'll kill you. He told her
Speaker 3: exactly that as he forced his way into the driver's seat,
Speaker 3: and he said he wanted her car keys. So reluctant
Speaker 3: and scared rightfully, so Alison did what she told was told.
Speaker 3: She climbed to the passenger seat and handed over the keys.
Speaker 3: The man started the car ignition and drove off into
Speaker 3: the night. Dang, that's terrifying.
Speaker 1: That is absolutely terrifying. Who the fuck took her spot?
Speaker 3: Like? Come on, well, I mean, what if it was
Speaker 3: a setup, right, what if they saw her leave thinking well,
Speaker 3: she's gonna come back and they parked.
Speaker 1: Who knows, Oh, I guess.
Speaker 3: Or but if it was just a coincidence, yeah, who knows? Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Because I mean a lot, not a lot of
Speaker 1: people would probably be out at that time, and you
Speaker 1: know who knows. Okay.
Speaker 3: So this man, as he was driving, he told Alison,
Speaker 3: I quote, I don't want to hurt you. I just
Speaker 3: want to use your car for an hour. So Alison
Speaker 3: thought about jumping out before the car pulled away, even
Speaker 3: though she had a knife to her throat, but she
Speaker 3: chose not to. She didn't want to believe the worst.
Speaker 3: She didn't want to believe that anything even close to
Speaker 3: the worst was going to happen to her. Instead, she
Speaker 3: chose to believe in the best, that this man wasn't
Speaker 3: going to hurt her, that he was going to use
Speaker 3: a car, and soon it was going to be all over.
Speaker 3: So she didn't leave the car. She didn't jump out.
Speaker 3: So during the quiet drive, the man broke the silence
Speaker 3: and spoke to her more. He said, my name's Clinton.
Speaker 3: He introduced himself. He began small talk and asking her
Speaker 3: some questions and creating conversation most likely to calm Allison's nerves.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, just easing her.
Speaker 3: Exactly, And that's exactly what it did. It certainly did
Speaker 3: because she didn't fight, she didn't scream, and she continued
Speaker 3: to believe that he wasn't going to hurt her. After
Speaker 3: a little ways, the man pulled the car over and
Speaker 3: from the shadows again and emerged another man. Oh no,
Speaker 3: and climbed into the backseat of the car. Then again
Speaker 3: they drove off. So where's your head going so far?
Speaker 3: What do you think is going to be happening to
Speaker 3: Allison and these two individuals.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not what they're saying, I don't think. And
Speaker 1: she needs to fucking try to run. But then also like, yeah,
Speaker 1: now there's two, she's even more screwed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then a moving vehicle nonetheless too.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh my gosh, it's not a good thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I can just judge from your reaction it's not
Speaker 1: a good thing, or from your facial expressions here.
Speaker 3: Oh no, it's definitely not a good thing. Of course,
Speaker 3: what do you think they're going to go to Candy Mountain?
Speaker 1: I'm on edge Candy Mountain Charlie.
Speaker 3: Whoa. I don't know if you guys can hear that,
Speaker 3: but we're having like some major feedback.
Speaker 1: It didn't like you're singing, didn't.
Speaker 3: It wasn't singing. It was an impression. Oh, Candy Mountain, Gody,
Speaker 3: Candy Mountain, Charlie, does anyone get that reference? Let me
Speaker 3: know if you get that reference? I know you don't,
Speaker 3: do you? No, I knew it. Anyways, they're certainly not
Speaker 3: headed to Candy Mountain, let's put it that way. Allison's nerves
Speaker 3: began to worsen though, with the second man as soon
Speaker 3: as he joined them. As he climbed in the in
Speaker 3: the backseat and they began driving again, she looked in
Speaker 3: the rear view mirror to where the man was sitting,
Speaker 3: and all she saw when she met his eyes was,
Speaker 3: and I quote directly from Alison, dead cold. And this
Speaker 3: is when she knew that she wouldn't be going home.
Speaker 1: Okay, but this is interesting, though, something you just quoted
Speaker 1: something that she said.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, I already said at the beginning. This is
Speaker 3: the survivor story.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, right, it is okay. Sorry, in my brain,
Speaker 1: I'm just like this is doomed. She's doomed. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is good. Okay, I'm happy now.
Speaker 3: You're sure you're okay? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot that. You said it was survival will
Speaker 1: like a roller coaster of emotions already.
Speaker 3: Wow? All right? Anyway, is that aside? The three of
Speaker 3: them drove out of town and they found their way
Speaker 3: to a dark alcove by a beach, no street lights,
Speaker 3: no people, and they stopped the car. The first thing
Speaker 3: Clinton said as he shut off the car was was
Speaker 3: are you going to fight?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Asshole?
Speaker 2: Yes, she didn't.
Speaker 3: Alison didn't fight. She believed that she, you know, if
Speaker 3: she was to give into this met these men, that
Speaker 3: eventually she would find her way home maybe hopefully.
Speaker 1: Okay, so she let.
Speaker 3: Them do what they wanted. Clinton began raping Alison.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Now in the documentary titled Alison, which is available on
Speaker 3: Amazon Prime, and I highly recommend you guys watch it,
Speaker 3: most of my information actually comes directly from that, because
Speaker 3: it is Alison talking in the documentary, telling the whole story.
Speaker 1: Is it like a one episode kind of thing or what?
Speaker 3: Yes, it's about an hour long documentary. Okay, anyways, I
Speaker 3: suggest you watch it. It is talked about how Clinton
Speaker 3: was rather I'm going to say the word gentle though,
Speaker 3: I mean he's raping her, clearly that's not gentle. But
Speaker 3: he's gentle in the act as if he was trying
Speaker 3: to give off the idea that he's treating her like
Speaker 3: a lady. And it seems like he's kind of getting
Speaker 3: off on that idea. So he's not being I mean,
Speaker 3: it's sexual assault, but he's not like beating her in
Speaker 3: the It's like, you know what I'm you know what
Speaker 3: I'm trying.
Speaker 1: I know you're saying that. I still hate it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes it slimy almost yeah, but well not
Speaker 3: almost it is, but yeah. So anyways, Alison goes on
Speaker 3: to mention that during the rape, and I quote from
Speaker 3: her that her boss body responded and to her it
Speaker 3: was the ultimate betrayal. Now, what I believe she is
Speaker 3: referring to is an involuntary orgasm during the sexual assault.
Speaker 3: There have been very few studies on orgasms during rape,
Speaker 3: but what research has been done says that around five
Speaker 3: to seven percent of rape victims experience orgasm during the event,
Speaker 3: and most likely out of the feeling of shame and
Speaker 3: not wanting to admit that something like this could have happened.
Speaker 3: Possibly the numbers could be much higher. Okay, so she
Speaker 3: doesn't say that's what happened, but I'm pretty sure that's
Speaker 3: what she's inferring, which ultimate betrayal of her own body. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine how one would feel in that situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's quite a way to describe it. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that as soon as she said that, Like
Speaker 3: I said, she didn't say it, but my heart just
Speaker 3: sunk for her.
Speaker 1: I was just like wow. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So after Clinton had finished, he passed her off to
Speaker 3: his friend, and in that moment, that friend referred to
Speaker 3: Clinton as France, and it was then Alison knew Clinton's real.
Speaker 1: Name, France France.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, So the other man took his turn, but
Speaker 3: he was not going to treat her in any ladylike manner.
Speaker 3: He immediately grabbed her by the throat and began to
Speaker 3: squeeze as he raped her violently. The last thing Alison
Speaker 3: remembered before everything going black and she passed out was
Speaker 3: when her body let loose and evacuated her bowels. Then
Speaker 3: silence and darkness.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this is brutal.
Speaker 3: Absolutely horrific. I cannot imagine anyone having to go through that.
Speaker 1: It's disgusting that there's people out there that are that
Speaker 1: fucking disgusting.
Speaker 3: Yes, and I tried to take a look at some
Speaker 3: rape statistics, and it's it seemed like it was all
Speaker 3: over the place. I couldn't find anything specific that I
Speaker 3: wanted to nail down. Mostly I didn't want to continue
Speaker 3: researching that because it made me sick. But it's unfathomable
Speaker 3: the amount of people that go through sexual assault and
Speaker 3: rape and what they have to experience. So yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't even know how to respond to that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. This world's really fucked up.
Speaker 3: It's so fucked up. These two douche canoes just doing
Speaker 3: this sort of stuff. It's like they have no sort
Speaker 3: of sense or anything. That little angel on their shoulder
Speaker 3: letting them know what they're doing to another fucking person. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I just I can't even imagine actually going
Speaker 1: and intentionally hurting someone or taking something like that away
Speaker 1: from them, because I don't know. I even just like
Speaker 1: walking down the street, I won't step on like an ant.
Speaker 1: So I just can't fathom how your brain can be
Speaker 1: so evil. I know that you could actually go and
Speaker 1: do something like that. Yeah, it actually, I just I
Speaker 1: can't ever imagine.
Speaker 3: It's horrific. It's absolutely horrific. Some people are absolutely fucked yeh.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's sad because you had to watch your back,
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of fucked up people in this world.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, Alison clearly blacked out, whether it was from shock,
Speaker 3: pain or being choked, but regardless, she blacked out. And
Speaker 3: when she came to, she came to to a noise,
Speaker 3: the sound something wet, something cutting.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh.
Speaker 3: The men were taking turns stabbing Alison repeatedly in the
Speaker 3: pubic area in excess of thirty seven times, what thirty
Speaker 3: seven times in her lower abdomen and pubic area, Holy shit,
Speaker 3: until they moved to her throat.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, okay, where.
Speaker 3: Again they both took turns cutting, slashing, and stabbing her
Speaker 3: a total of seventeen times, all while the pale moon
Speaker 3: backlighting her attackers, ironically, in Allison's words, gave them a halo.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, okay, this is just so disturbing. Okay, yeah, cat.
Speaker 3: So she helplessly laid there and watched them mulate her
Speaker 3: body until they turned and left her for dead and
Speaker 3: drove away.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, the scum of the earth.
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred percent major fucking.
Speaker 1: Doucees, nasty malphos.
Speaker 3: Now, Luckily, Alison couldn't feel any of the pain. Her
Speaker 3: body was in such shock her brain overloaded with the
Speaker 3: sense and couldn't process what to feel. Really, so it
Speaker 3: didn't it shut down, and her ability to feel pain
Speaker 3: was pretty much an existent To be fair, I'm sure
Speaker 3: she felt some pain, but like the stabbing, the cutting,
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff, she did not.
Speaker 1: Feel, which is good.
Speaker 3: Yes, So she was left there lying alone.
Speaker 1: To basically like they just left her to like fleet
Speaker 1: to death.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, they most likely thought she was already dead,
Speaker 3: and I believe they began cutting at her throat when
Speaker 3: her leg twitched and they went to try and ensure
Speaker 3: she was dead. However, she wasn't dead, and she may
Speaker 3: not have been able to feel, but she did hear
Speaker 3: the sound of her own breathing, wet and heavy gasps
Speaker 3: of air through the gaping hole in her neck.
Speaker 1: Gosh.
Speaker 3: She laid there in the sand with only that sound
Speaker 3: until she was left with a choice. At this moment,
Speaker 3: Alison said that she had an out of body experience moment,
Speaker 3: and she knew she had a choice. She could leave
Speaker 3: and be set free, or she could settle in to
Speaker 3: the fight of her life and try and survive. And
Speaker 3: so that's exactly what she did. The first thing she
Speaker 3: did in order to try and survive was to ensure
Speaker 3: that her attackers were identified. Okay, in the sand in
Speaker 3: front of her during the whole ordeal, whether they meant
Speaker 3: to or not, she learned both of their names.
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so she wrote friends and theeans both of their
Speaker 3: names in the sand, and beneath it, just in case
Speaker 3: she didn't make it, she wrote, I love mom.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, okay, you had to do that.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I didn't do anything.
Speaker 1: That's heartbreaking as ship. Okay, you're good, Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 1: Well ish ish Okay was what was the other dude's names?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you good?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Sure, you want to punch a couple of assholess? Yeah,
Speaker 1: those guys they need They just deserve a lot.
Speaker 3: Oh, they deserve to fucking rot. Let me tell you
Speaker 3: that right now. Yep, they fucking trysh So she wrote
Speaker 3: this and after that she made to trot. She made
Speaker 3: an attempt to try and stand to her feet. There
Speaker 3: we go. Sorry, But before she did, she managed to
Speaker 3: feel her abdomen and it was wet and warm, and
Speaker 3: in her hands she realized she held her own intestines.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: So she reached out and grabbed her own denim shirt
Speaker 3: that was laying on the ground next to her, and
Speaker 3: she wrapped it around her her stomach and tried her
Speaker 3: best to hold her own stomach inside her as she
Speaker 3: stood up.
Speaker 1: Holy, Holy Holy.
Speaker 3: As she stood up, the only thing she could see
Speaker 3: were the stars. And I don't mean like metaphorically, like
Speaker 3: when you talked on the head stars, literal stars. She
Speaker 3: was staring straight up at the sky because the muscles
Speaker 3: at the front of her neck were severed and her
Speaker 3: head flopped back so far on its own. She was
Speaker 3: staring straight up and most likely even back quite a
Speaker 3: ways because, as she described it, her head was laying
Speaker 3: back between her shoulder plates.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Okay, that is just unbelievable that someone
Speaker 1: in that state could even like stand up, like are
Speaker 1: you kidding me?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And she managed to hold her stomach in stand up,
Speaker 3: place her hand on the top of her head right
Speaker 3: itself up and hold her head as she made her
Speaker 3: way towards the road.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that is too much now.
Speaker 3: She said. It was almost like someone else took over
Speaker 3: her body and was doing the steps for her, and
Speaker 3: somehow she managed to make it, just all of a sudden.
Speaker 3: All she remembers was she was there at the road,
Speaker 3: and at the road she collapsed, and a distant pair
Speaker 3: of headlights came, drawing closer. They grew larger and larger
Speaker 3: as it got closer and closer, But the car just
Speaker 3: went around Alison as she laid there helpless. What and
Speaker 3: the car kept going?
Speaker 1: What the fuck?
Speaker 3: Yep?
Speaker 1: Did not notice her on the road?
Speaker 3: I'm sure it did?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: Dead serious?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, now, thank.
Speaker 3: Another car did come shortly after, and a man got
Speaker 3: out by the name of Tien Ellard. Now he found
Speaker 3: the battered and bloodied Allison in the road, terrified and
Speaker 3: unable to speak, but he got down, he held her hand,
Speaker 3: and him and his friends managed to actually have a
Speaker 3: cell phone from nineteen ninety fucking was it nineteen ninety four?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that's what you said.
Speaker 3: They actually had a cell phone, and they called the ambulance.
Speaker 2: Oh, good and.
Speaker 3: This man Tienne laid there holding her hand the entire time.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, which is so incredible. It's like the
Speaker 1: complete reverse of what the fuck happened earlier with these
Speaker 1: man to this, Like, that's unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Alison describes this man as her knight and shining armor.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it makes you want a ball.
Speaker 3: Now, the ambulance would have been about fifteen minutes away,
Speaker 3: but it took them over forty minutes to arrive. Why well,
Speaker 3: on their way to the hospital, they weren't in much
Speaker 3: of a rush. They had pretty much written off Alison
Speaker 3: for dead. So why rush?
Speaker 1: Are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 3: That's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: That is bullshit. I was gonna say baloney, but that
Speaker 1: is unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Tienne even was like can we hurry up?
Speaker 1: And they're just like, why are you kidding? That is okay?
Speaker 1: So now we're just like going to complete all over
Speaker 1: the place of just humanity right now.
Speaker 3: Okay, humanity mostly sucks mostly, let's put it that way,
Speaker 3: because we have people like Tian. Yeah, and we'll find
Speaker 3: out later here that there are I don't really talk
Speaker 3: about specific doctors or anything, but there are doctors that
Speaker 3: definitely put in the elbow grip.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I paramedic should also be doing that.
Speaker 3: Oh they should. So anyways, miraculously again Alison pulled through.
Speaker 3: She made it to the hospital alive, and fun fact,
Speaker 3: Tian Ellard actually from this instant went on to become
Speaker 3: a doctor from.
Speaker 1: This Oh my gosh, I love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, anyways, Alison was in rough shape. Her throat
Speaker 3: was cut from ear to ear. It went straight through
Speaker 3: the front of her neck, muscles and trachea, so she
Speaker 3: was clearly breathing through the gaping hole in her neck.
Speaker 3: She also had some cuts and stabs a little bit
Speaker 3: lower in her throat into her chest. Miraculously, it did
Speaker 3: not pierce her lungs or her heart. The slashes in
Speaker 3: her neck did not touch her carotid arteries, so that
Speaker 3: on its own is how the fuck did that happen?
Speaker 1: It's like a miracle.
Speaker 3: Really. Oh yeah. Basically, her abdomen was completely disemboweled and
Speaker 3: she had a length of her intestines laying on the
Speaker 3: outside of her body. As I had already discussed that
Speaker 3: were coated in beach sand, dirt and debris, which meant
Speaker 3: extreme cleaning and scrubbing of her organs were necessary to
Speaker 3: prevent infections during surgery. Further inspections of her body showed
Speaker 3: that with the damage done to her pubic region, it
Speaker 3: was highly unlikely she would ever be able to bear children.
Speaker 3: So she went through some major surgeries and somehow she
Speaker 3: survived the whole ordeal.
Speaker 1: Alison made it, Wow, that is incredible. Yep, She's just
Speaker 1: like a superhuman.
Speaker 3: She's like literally a fucking superhero, Like, Yeah, how the
Speaker 3: fuck can you survive that? Seventeen slashes and stabs and
Speaker 3: hacks to your neck, thirty seven to your abdomen and
Speaker 3: you hold her own neck head in place and walk away.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like her physical strength, but then also her mental strength,
Speaker 1: because how many people, if they had that choice and
Speaker 1: we're in that ruff of shape, would probably just be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm done, Like I'm out.
Speaker 3: And the mental strength that she had to go and
Speaker 3: endure during her recovery as well. They talk about it
Speaker 3: in the documentary quite a bit, but I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: be touching on it too much because I kind of
Speaker 3: want you to go watch that documentary and see some
Speaker 3: of the other information that I do pass by. But
Speaker 3: in some of the things like court proceedings and such.
Speaker 3: During her healing process. A lot of times she was
Speaker 3: mentioning that she would basically just have to like drop
Speaker 3: her pants and just show the wounds and how they're healing. Well,
Speaker 3: I don't know how far it meant by like dropping
Speaker 3: her pants into who specifically, not like necessarily in court,
Speaker 3: but I'm sure to investigate her. She's definitely having to
Speaker 3: drop her pants quite a bit because it wasn't like
Speaker 3: the attack was like between the legs to her vagina specifically,
Speaker 3: it was the pubic region right like above. So she's
Speaker 3: definitely having to drop her pants and stuff at least somewhat,
Speaker 3: and having to show people the healing process and having
Speaker 3: to relive the accounts over and over and over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, on her body and just yeah, the scarring and
Speaker 1: oh at all.
Speaker 3: There was one incident in the court where she said
Speaker 3: that she always thought that her neck was one of
Speaker 3: her strongest features and look at it now. So just
Speaker 3: things like that that just would have messed with someone immensely.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's jumping ahead a little bit though to
Speaker 3: that documentary again, do go check it out after we
Speaker 3: have done this episode. Allison's recovery though, was a rough one,
Speaker 3: of course, but yeah, she was now faced with the
Speaker 3: fact of needing to identify the two men who attacked her.
Speaker 1: And they're just like they were probably just like shocked,
Speaker 1: like utterly shocked that she survived this.
Speaker 3: The attackers, yeah, oh, I'm sure they were. I'm pretty
Speaker 3: sure they thought she was dead. So anyways, investigators brought
Speaker 3: her a folder filled with local criminals in the area,
Speaker 3: and as they flipped through the pages, she.
Speaker 1: Found one really friends.
Speaker 3: However, she was unable to speak as her throat was healing.
Speaker 3: It had been sutured together and she had a breathing
Speaker 3: tube down her throat to help her breathe. However, she
Speaker 3: did point him out and she wrote his name down
Speaker 3: on a piece of paper. Then, continuing in the folder,
Speaker 3: she saw and pointed out the next man and wrote
Speaker 3: his name down.
Speaker 1: To Wow, so these guys are already just like winners
Speaker 1: prior to just.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we could call them winners. Sure, why not?
Speaker 1: I'm being very sarcastic here. I'm well aware the fact
Speaker 1: that they're in the fucking book.
Speaker 3: They're fucking slime.
Speaker 1: Oh god, oh okay, just the fact that there is
Speaker 1: a book. Okay, sorry, the fact that there is a
Speaker 1: book and yet these people are just in the streets.
Speaker 3: It's just I'm not too sure how criminal these criminals
Speaker 3: in the book are known to be.
Speaker 1: I know, but that does happen though. Oh there's people
Speaker 1: out there that should not ever be out there, and
Speaker 1: then they're just recommitting and lah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Regardless though of the degree that people are for
Speaker 3: being in the book, they were in the book, and
Speaker 3: the fact that she was identified able to identify him.
Speaker 3: Police were absolutely thrilled and they were thrilled that she
Speaker 3: was able to help. However, apparently to the chief prosecutor,
Speaker 3: it would be more effective if Allison was able to
Speaker 3: say their names verbally. Why, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, just like torment her a little more.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It almost seems that way to me.
Speaker 1: That's really weird.
Speaker 3: I know, it was very fucking odd, and it's like
Speaker 3: what the fuck? So of course Alison's doctor is like
Speaker 3: pretty much panicking, like, okay, we now have to remove
Speaker 3: the breathing tube because she's on assisted breathing right now,
Speaker 3: and we just literally stitched her throat together pulling this
Speaker 3: tube belt could.
Speaker 1: Oh like that you wanted him to do it? Then?
Speaker 1: And there yeah, say the name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what the heck?
Speaker 3: Yeah no. The police came back that same day and said, yeah,
Speaker 3: the chief prosecutor wants you to say the names verbally.
Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, this messed up.
Speaker 3: This means pulling the tube out of a freshly stitched
Speaker 3: together throat. So anyways, the doctor went and discussed this
Speaker 3: with Alison and how seriously concerned he was with this happening,
Speaker 3: and Allison was like, wrote down, was like pull it out.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: So yeah, against the doctor's instincts, the tube was removed,
Speaker 3: and Allison managed to utter. The first words out of
Speaker 3: her mouth was that's wonderful, followed by the names my
Speaker 3: attackers were friends and theans.
Speaker 1: Huh, what do you mean that's wonderful.
Speaker 3: Whether it was sarcasm or that's wonderful that the tube
Speaker 3: is out, I don't know, but for first words where
Speaker 3: that's wonderful. Then my attackers were friends and theans.
Speaker 1: Geez, I don't think that even my.
Speaker 3: First worse I know, right, thank you?
Speaker 1: Like an asshole? God, oh my god, what a fucking badass. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's amazing.
Speaker 3: Like her throat is stitched together.
Speaker 1: She's just like unstoppable.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's absolutely insane. So she went on to the
Speaker 3: point or sorry. She went on to point them out
Speaker 3: in a lineup as well later on in her recovery
Speaker 3: and the two men friends, I'm really going to butcher
Speaker 3: their name, but fran Detoit and theans Krueger, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to talk about them much, but she did point
Speaker 3: them out. She's and I believe there was actual footage
Speaker 3: of her in that lineup, and she's like, they look
Speaker 3: a bit different now, but these are them. But anyways,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to talk about them too much. They
Speaker 3: were both known criminals, hence why they were in that book,
Speaker 3: and they were both they both had a history of rape,
Speaker 3: each of them. Oh yeah, So anyways, they were quickly
Speaker 3: prosecuted and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility
Speaker 3: of parole for their attack on Alison. Both good, yeah.
Speaker 1: Very much, so good.
Speaker 3: However, don't.
Speaker 1: Don't, don't don't what, don't don't what?
Speaker 3: However, a political decision meant that prisoners who were sentenced
Speaker 3: prior to October twenty or sorry, two thousand and four
Speaker 3: had automatically become eligible for parole.
Speaker 1: Wow wow, Yeah, so they're out right now, aren't they?
Speaker 3: Well, there was they have been up for parole. However, thankfully,
Speaker 3: to date, neither man has been granted parole.
Speaker 1: Thank goodness, i'd raged.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, so Alison wrote letters, you know, like pleaning to
Speaker 3: basically keep them behind bars. There was protests like you
Speaker 3: name it.
Speaker 1: Well because honestly, if they got oh, chances are they
Speaker 1: very much si reoffend.
Speaker 3: And people like that who literally hacked and slashed someone
Speaker 3: like that, I'll just understod on parole. Like the judge
Speaker 3: prior to who was on the sentencing specifically put like
Speaker 3: notes like these guys are never wrote for fucking parole.
Speaker 3: So the fact that this political thing is all like
Speaker 3: oh they're they're up for parole and everything like that,
Speaker 3: I think that note is definitely making it a possibility
Speaker 3: that they they're never up for parole.
Speaker 1: Good good that judge it good then.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So anyways, so Alison thankfully lived, and live is exactly
Speaker 3: what she has gone on to do. She found and
Speaker 3: married the love of her life in February of nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety seven, and together they conceive to sons. Holy she
Speaker 3: was able to bear children.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's incredible. Actually, it's beyond incredible.
Speaker 3: Her whole story like what she went through, what she survived,
Speaker 3: even the fact that she was describing the fact that
Speaker 3: she had a choice to survive and she chose to fight.
Speaker 3: And then she goes on to not only to survive,
Speaker 3: but then survive the odds because there's there's some things
Speaker 3: like you can't just fight through, like the damage to
Speaker 3: your body. It's up to your body to heal or
Speaker 3: it's up to how the damage was done. If you
Speaker 3: are going to be able to have children again, you
Speaker 3: can fight your will to live as much as you want,
Speaker 3: but your will to have children, like that's that's your anatomy, you.
Speaker 1: Know what, right, Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 3: So the fact that she won those odds on top
Speaker 3: of all of it is absolutely fucking mind blowing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is incredible.
Speaker 3: So Alison, like I said, has a great family now,
Speaker 3: she is living absolutely happily. She has gone on to
Speaker 3: become an inspirational speaker, travel and telling her story worldwide.
Speaker 3: She will quite literally go up on stage and she
Speaker 3: will tell her story to crowds and crowds of people.
Speaker 3: She will describe every bit of detail what she went through.
Speaker 3: And I can't imagine looking people in the face and
Speaker 3: describing that sort of thing and having the strength to
Speaker 3: keep talking.
Speaker 1: Wow. She is incredible human being and like her little boys,
Speaker 1: lucky to have that kind of a mom. Hey.
Speaker 3: Wow. So she had put out the documentary that I
Speaker 3: had previously mentioned called Alison, and also a book which
Speaker 3: describes her journey and how it affected her in her life,
Speaker 3: titled I Have Life, and that she most certainly does.
Speaker 1: Is it a L I s O n yep? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm definitely looking this up. I want to watch. I
Speaker 1: want to like listen to her and just see her.
Speaker 1: That is amazing.
Speaker 3: So that is the story of Alice and botha the
Speaker 3: badass of the day for wicked and grim and I'm
Speaker 3: pretty sure the badass of the century because holy shit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that is absolutely insane. And I am so happy that
Speaker 3: she managed to survive because I the.
Speaker 1: World needs her people like that. That is incredible. Yeah
Speaker 1: huh okay. And I actually didn't have never heard of
Speaker 1: that hadn't heard of that story, so well, I know
Speaker 1: we have discussed some details before about it. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I must be forgetting, really, can you forget? I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know, because I remember telling you about I
Speaker 3: think it was a couple of months ago when I
Speaker 3: first ran across across her story and I was telling
Speaker 3: you about someone like quite literally surviving a beheading and
Speaker 3: her holding her own head on.
Speaker 1: Her Okay, that rings a bell. Okay, yeah, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is her. Yeah, well well done, thank you. It's nice
Speaker 1: to have a story like that. That's a good one.
Speaker 1: Well it's not good what she went through, but just
Speaker 1: that she survived.
Speaker 3: And then she prevailed. Yeah, came through the other end,
Speaker 3: and she is very happy with her life and she
Speaker 3: is making a point to live and that's it's just wow.
Speaker 1: It's incredible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so awesome, absolutely inspirational. And Alison didn't even have
Speaker 3: to stand up in front of a stage and tell
Speaker 3: us for me to be inspired.
Speaker 1: By her right now, no kidding, Yeah, she just keeps
Speaker 1: going like that is awesome, awesome.
Speaker 3: So you're gonna go watch Alison the documentary?
Speaker 1: Yeah I might right now. I'm just like I need
Speaker 1: to watch this, all.
Speaker 3: Right, You guys should go check it out. It is
Speaker 3: on Amazon Prime. That is not a sponsored thing. That's
Speaker 3: just where it is, so Amazon Prime Video. You can
Speaker 3: go check it out. It is worth the watch, let
Speaker 3: me tell you so. Yeah, So shout out to Alison
Speaker 3: the badass of the day. If you want to check
Speaker 3: out our links for social media for patrin on all
Speaker 3: in the description below, and what else do we have
Speaker 3: to say anything?
Speaker 1: It's a very short goodbye because we'll we'll chat with
Speaker 1: you tomorrow.
Speaker 3: And Nichole is gonna be presenting an epic case tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Are you going to tell him what it is?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Sure, I'm doing the the quite the story of
Speaker 1: Lacy Peterson, Lacy and Scott Peterson.
Speaker 3: Is it a survivor's story or will we have to
Speaker 3: tune in to find out.
Speaker 1: It is not a survivor's story? All right?
Speaker 3: Well, buckle, you see thouts, ladies and gentlemens and Theayse
Speaker 3: and them's because here we go, yep, tomorrow dropping it.
Speaker 1: There we go. Until then, stay wicked.