WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:10.599 Well, Hello, I'm Nicole and I'm Ben, and you are 2 00:00:10.640 --> 00:00:11.679 listening to Wicked. 3 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:17.640 And Grim, which is a true time podcast party following post. 4 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:46.759 Hey what's up guys? Yo, cheers you cheers, sippity sip 5 00:00:46.880 --> 00:00:48.240 the whole nine yards with the. 6 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:55.039 Grim chairs, I'm actually drinking tazzo Calm the fuck down. 7 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:57.920 Ty, Calm the fuck downty. Is that what it's actually called? No, 8 00:00:58.119 --> 00:01:00.200 I really hope it is. They should put that on 9 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:00.600 the label. 10 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:03.600 It's just called Calm the fuck down. But I think 11 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:04.959 if it was called what you just said, like, they 12 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:05.920 would actually sell more. 13 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:11.439 Probably. Yeah, I'm just drinking coffee with a higher percent 14 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:15.439 of alcohol than normal. Probably it may or may not 15 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:16.079 be spiked. 16 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:19.000 Do you ever have coffee that's not spiked? Oh? 17 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:22.599 I do? Oh yeah, I actually I really enjoy black coffee. 18 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:23.239 Yeah you do. 19 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:26.239 I do, like no cream, no sugar that hits home. 20 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:29.120 But you'd enjoy it more when there's some what is 21 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:31.760 it Caroline Carolins in there? 22 00:01:31.879 --> 00:01:34.159 Yeah, but not all the time. If I do it 23 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:35.560 too much, I get sick of it and I'm like, 24 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:37.840 I don't want this for a while. Like I haven't 25 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:40.359 had Carolins in my coffee for over a week. I think. Wow, 26 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:40.920 other than. 27 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:44.640 Other than iced coffee, the bougie ice coffee, the ice coffees. Yes, 28 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:49.400 we're all about those. Love it Okay, so fun packed, fun, 29 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:50.959 major funds, super fun. 30 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:52.920 You ready for this? 31 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:55.760 This is the last podcast we're going to be recording 32 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:56.519 in our house. 33 00:01:56.959 --> 00:02:00.599 Yes, next episode is officially going to be in our 34 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:04.519 tiny home because we are moving in in like five 35 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:07.719 days Saturday, So it's Monday right now as we're recording, 36 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:10.159 and Saturday we are going to be moving in. 37 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:13.039 Which is wild. So it's gonna be like a teeny tiny. 38 00:02:12.719 --> 00:02:17.439 Podcast, a teeny tiny podcast, Oh god, I mean it'll 39 00:02:17.479 --> 00:02:18.879 still be. We can gree it. 40 00:02:18.879 --> 00:02:21.360 Will be exactly the same, but well, we'll have to 41 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:23.800 see it. Might I don't know if it will sound different. 42 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:25.599 We're gonna be sitting in bean bag chairs, which is 43 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:26.159 kind of sod. 44 00:02:26.199 --> 00:02:28.360 Yeah, in a little tiny loft up in our podcast 45 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:31.240 or up in our tiny home little podcast studio we made. 46 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:32.879 Yeah, I'm actually really excited. 47 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:34.599 You guys will get a tour of that real soon. 48 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:36.479 Don't worry. We've just been so far behind we haven't 49 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:38.479 really been able to show much of that yet. Yeah, 50 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:40.599 it looks that we will and inside's a bit of 51 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:42.439 a disaster right now because we're just trying to move 52 00:02:42.439 --> 00:02:45.199 stuff in. So once it's a little more organized it 53 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:47.080 looks better, then we'll show you. 54 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:49.199 We still actually have a lot of things in the house, 55 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:50.599 so we have a busy week. 56 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:53.080 Yeah we do. We're still making shelves. And I wrecked 57 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:56.960 one wall. Yeah yeah, putting up shells. The nails went 58 00:02:57.319 --> 00:03:00.199 through the wall because it's just like a little like 59 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:02.240 covered sort of thickness area. 60 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:04.879 Anyways, nails garready wreck and shit, so well now I. 61 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:05.879 Got to fix the other side. 62 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:08.400 Fun Okay, I actually have something Oaks super fun to 63 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:08.719 they do. 64 00:03:08.919 --> 00:03:09.639 Okay, what's up? 65 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:14.439 Okay, So I did like our Monday sneak peek or 66 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:16.719 what are what do we call, like guests the podcast 67 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:19.319 or whatever. Yeah, and it's been over an hour. No 68 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:20.360 one's guessed it. 69 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:23.800 Yes, so hopefully no one gets this case and we 70 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:25.479 can officially say we fooled you guys. 71 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:28.000 It's so funny because I actually thought people would get 72 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:30.039 this right away. But it is like a bit of 73 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:31.919 a random photo. It doesn't have a lot to do 74 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:34.120 with the case, but I was like thinking. 75 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:36.759 It's a pretty synonymous photo with this case that you said. 76 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:38.199 Right, well, I thought so. 77 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:41.120 Well, either way, we'll see if we fool them. 78 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:42.960 I think it'd be sweet if I fooled them, because 79 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:45.159 I told you the other day I'm gonna be the 80 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:46.840 one that does it, and there. 81 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:48.719 It might be. Well, that's totally fine with me. 82 00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:49.599 So far, I'm winning. 83 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:51.960 We we What are you talking about? 84 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:55.159 You? Okay? Now, so it's a competition between see you 85 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:57.400 if they'll get it, and between us apparently. 86 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:01.560 Well yeah, before we dive into the case, can I 87 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:04.319 say one more thing? Of course, I want to wish 88 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:07.680 a happy belated birthday to Chili Bob, who is one 89 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:10.439 of our listeners who's been there from the start and 90 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:13.120 has actually been supporting me as a creator before the 91 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:17.519 podcast even totally. Her birthday was actually on last Tuesday 92 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:19.439 when last episode dropped. I didn't even know. 93 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:20.399 That, how rude. 94 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:22.920 I knew her birthday was like coming up, but I 95 00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:25.079 didn't know when, and then I figured it out and 96 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:27.600 it was too late. So happy belated birthday out there 97 00:04:27.639 --> 00:04:30.800 to Chili Bob. We appreciate you. Hope your birthday was amazing, 98 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:33.439 and hopefully the rest of the month continues to be amazing. 99 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:34.480 Birth month for you. 100 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:39.360 Happy Birthday. Boom boom done. Okay, are you ready? 101 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:40.040 I'm ready. 102 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:42.079 My hands are freezing. So we're going to see how 103 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:42.759 this goes here. 104 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:46.079 Okay, it'll work. Maybe it's because there's like ghosts in 105 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:46.439 the room. 106 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:47.160 I think there are. 107 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:48.319 It's spooky season. 108 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:50.759 Ever since the last episodes, I just have not been 109 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:54.759 the same. I just haven't been the same. Shit's just 110 00:04:54.759 --> 00:04:55.800 just yeah. 111 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:57.399 She's been creeping me out to a little bit more 112 00:04:57.439 --> 00:04:57.879 than normal. 113 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:00.360 It is getting better, Like I'm like, it took a 114 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:03.560 week though, apparently, like oh, Ben, like just he's off 115 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:03.879 on us. 116 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:07.079 Please Here, we're only diving into this spooky shit, especially 117 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:10.480 when October hits, and then you know we're going headlong 118 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:13.560 into that. And there's one case that I've been wanting 119 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:16.639 to cover since day one that I've been saving specifically 120 00:05:16.639 --> 00:05:17.319 for Halloween. 121 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:20.000 Sounds intriguing, you know what it is? Yeah, but you 122 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:21.639 know me, I forget things really easy. 123 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:23.279 Should I tell? Should I tell them what it is? 124 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:24.199 Or should I make them wait? 125 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:25.600 Tell? 126 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:27.360 Okay, because there's going to be a bunch of stuff 127 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:28.160 we drop in October. 128 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:29.639 Yeah, October is going to be a sweet month. 129 00:05:29.879 --> 00:05:31.879 You guys can look forward to this case at least 130 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:34.759 this is going to be a case of Robert the Doll. 131 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:36.199 I love this case. 132 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:37.319 Okay, I didn't know this. 133 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:42.240 Yeah, And Robert the Doll was the inspiration for the 134 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:46.120 Child's play movies. He was the inspiration for Chucky. Oh, 135 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:48.680 okay in October. 136 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:49.439 Oh I love that. 137 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:49.879 Yeah. 138 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:53.120 Okay, Well, I'm going to start this and do it. 139 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:55.680 Let's see, like, okay, if it didn't come out on 140 00:05:55.720 --> 00:05:59.160 Facebook or on Instagram, on Facebook too, we have both. 141 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:03.399 It's Marcus Wesson and that's about all I know about 142 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:07.399 the case. So Marcus was born on August twenty second, 143 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:12.040 nineteen forty six, in Kansas, to parents of Benjamin and 144 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:16.240 Carrie Wesson. He was the oldest of four children, and 145 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:19.199 he was raised as a member of the Seventh Day 146 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:24.000 Adventist Church, which is like a Protestant Christian denomination. 147 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:25.199 Okay, gotcha. 148 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:29.480 He himself claiming that his mother was a religious fanatic 149 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:32.920 and his father was an alcoholic, was an alcoholic and 150 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:37.639 a child abuser, including sexual abuse. Oh shit, who abandoned 151 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:39.800 the family when Marcus was just a young boy. 152 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:43.800 I mean, being abandon it's never a good thing. But 153 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:46.959 if he was a a father like that, that's good. 154 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:48.480 That they're now out of their lives. 155 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:52.079 Yeah. Really I never looked at it like that. The 156 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:55.879 mother would also physically abuse the children, of course, So 157 00:06:56.360 --> 00:06:59.160 I don't know. And it's interesting because it's like so many, 158 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:01.360 so many cases is that we cover, right, like or 159 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:05.120 just cases out there like the vic or the I 160 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:07.879 don't know what the bad person, the perpetrator. Yeah, there 161 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:10.160 you go, has like kind of a shitty upbringing and 162 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:11.240 that just sucks. 163 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:14.639 It seems like that's that's very what's the now, I'm 164 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:20.360 forgetting words prominent, very prominent. Yeah, their upbringing. Yeah, it's 165 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:21.680 it's something that occurs often. 166 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:23.680 I know. Well, now I'm like one of I mean, 167 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:26.120 I'm sure we've covered some cases where they've had Yeah, 168 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:28.800 we have where they've had a perfect upbringing. 169 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:29.519 I'm sure we have. 170 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:33.079 Well is there ever a nothing's perfect? There's no perfect upbringing. 171 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:34.759 A normal a good. 172 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:38.879 Upbringing, Yeah, what you would classify as normal. Yeah, So 173 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:44.040 the family would relocate to San Bernardino, California. I hope 174 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:48.160 him saying that right in the early nineteen sixties. Marcus 175 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:51.079 would eventually drop out of high school and join the army, 176 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:56.000 serving from nineteen sixty six to nineteen sixty eight as 177 00:07:56.040 --> 00:07:59.600 a medical care provider cool. He was given an honorable 178 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:03.160 discharge at the end of his service. After this time 179 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:06.000 in the in the army, Marcus would meet his future 180 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:10.600 lover named Rosemary made Darnina. 181 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:14.800 Okay, like that that Rosemary over the top name that 182 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:17.759 I actually kind of fucking love the whole name. Yes, 183 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:21.240 the whole name, just as a whole Like if I 184 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:23.639 were to meet someone like named Rosemary or something like that, 185 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:25.360 it's like, that's kind of an old fashioned name. But 186 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:28.199 like Rosemary, what was it, ma Darnina or something? 187 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:31.600 They may don't may Oh, I said it right for 188 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:34.879 the beginning and now made yeah, may don't near. I 189 00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:38.080 don't know. Good Lord, don't ask me if I pronounced 190 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:40.759 something right the beginning. Don't ask me to pronounce it again. 191 00:08:40.799 --> 00:08:43.159 Okay. Well, regardless, that whole name. 192 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:45.919 Love it, love it. It actually sounds quite nice. 193 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:46.000 Yeah. 194 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:50.039 So Rosemary was actually married at the time, though, okay, 195 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:54.080 and a mother to eight children. 196 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:55.799 To eight kids. Oh, she's a busy lady. 197 00:08:55.879 --> 00:08:59.000 M hmm. But this didn't deter Marcus, which it may 198 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:02.960 deter some, I must, but it rather thrilled him. He 199 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:06.639 was thrilled by the idea claiming they needed a shepherd. 200 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:08.519 They needed a. 201 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:10.159 Shepherd, like someone to guide them. 202 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:11.919 Yeah, well I know what a shepherd is. 203 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:14.039 Oh, it sounds like you didn't. So I was helping out. 204 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:16.639 Well, I appreciate the help, but I know what the 205 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:17.120 shepherd was. 206 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:19.080 And Casey didn't know what a shepherd was. It's basically 207 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:22.360 someone to help God you. So Rosemary would quickly break 208 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:25.399 it off with her husband, and Marcus moved in with 209 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:29.559 Rosemary and her children in their San Jose, California home. 210 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:34.080 In nineteen seventy one, they welcomed their first son together. 211 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:38.000 Doesn't seem all that crazy so. 212 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:41.360 Far, right, Well, I have some predictions going on in 213 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:42.039 the back of my head. 214 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:44.480 Here do you do? You don't know anything about this, 215 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:45.320 really do you know? 216 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:49.440 But you've already said that the father of this dude 217 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:54.759 of Marcus was an abuser and sexually assaulted past some 218 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:56.919 of the siblings, and the mother was an abuser. So 219 00:09:56.960 --> 00:10:00.399 I'm assuming he is now looking at these kids like 220 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:07.480 potential victims for a sexual assault. Let's put that way, okay. 221 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:12.320 So, well, where am i? And now? Oh I'm a 222 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:15.840 pulling to you. You're okay? So shit would basically take 223 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:20.000 a turn in nineteen seventy four, Marcus would become fixated 224 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:22.039 with one of Rosemary's. 225 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:24.120 Daughters, called it, fucking called that shit. 226 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:27.759 Little Elizabeth, who was eight years old at the time. 227 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:31.000 Oh fuck what Oh, this guy's greasy as fuck. She's eight, 228 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:32.960 She's eight, God damn it. 229 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:35.000 We're going to go into more detail about this soon. 230 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:40.200 But Marcus was basically like a master manipulator. He took 231 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:42.720 on a godlike role in the family, which is why 232 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:45.360 I believe the following like was even able to happen. 233 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:50.799 Both Elizabeth and Rosemary were brainwashed by Marcus's ideas, and 234 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:53.360 he was able to convince them and when I say 235 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:56.159 them like, I'm more so made Rosemary, being that she 236 00:10:56.279 --> 00:11:01.519 was the adult because Elizabeth was eight years old, that 237 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:02.799 this was God's plan. 238 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:05.559 Oh fuck, of course. It seems like a lot of 239 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:08.600 people in this sort of mindset use that excuse so much. 240 00:11:08.679 --> 00:11:14.080 It's God's plan. Was old. Yeah. I understand that you 241 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:16.879 might be religious, but I do not understand the fact 242 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:19.279 that you think just because you have a point of 243 00:11:19.360 --> 00:11:21.679 view or feeling one way does not give you an 244 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:24.840 excuse to say, well, God's making me do it. No. 245 00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:27.639 Well, yeah, it's almost like these peop are just using 246 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:30.679 that as an excuse for them to do terrible things. 247 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:33.799 Yeah. Well, which, in that same argument, if you are 248 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:37.000 a religious individual and you say you do have these 249 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:40.360 visions from God and God wants you to do these things, 250 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:45.000 shouldn't you question it and say, Okay, the devil is 251 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:47.960 a master manipulator. Maybe it's not God wants me to 252 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:50.639 do these Maybe the devil is showing me false visions, 253 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:55.759 impersonating Jesus or God or whoever you are envisioning, and 254 00:11:55.799 --> 00:11:59.200 you should question the validity of these and question how 255 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:02.279 good these things that you're being told to do are. 256 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:05.559 Because, like we should know the difference between right and wrong. 257 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:08.559 Right, So if you're being told to do bad things 258 00:12:08.559 --> 00:12:10.759 by God, maybe you should question is this really God 259 00:12:10.799 --> 00:12:11.399 telling me this? 260 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:14.200 That's a good point. Have you had a question that? 261 00:12:14.440 --> 00:12:18.919 Yeah? I have many times. Should I slap this person 262 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:19.519 I work with? 263 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:20.600 No? 264 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:22.120 I really want to? 265 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:27.919 Okay, So, performing an at home marriage ceremony, Marcus would 266 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:31.080 declare little Elizabeth at the age of eight his wife. 267 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:35.320 Once Elizabeth was twelve years old, Marcus would begin to 268 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:36.720 sexually assault her. 269 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:41.840 Okay, at the age of eight, he declared her his wife. 270 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:46.360 Yes, not, but this was just like an at home ceremony. 271 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:51.639 That's that's still really fucked up because there's there's the 272 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:53.960 whole things of like fathers going and dates their daughters. 273 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:55.200 You know, it's a cute see little thing. 274 00:12:55.480 --> 00:12:58.320 Oh that's okay though, when you see those photos, that's 275 00:12:58.320 --> 00:12:59.600 the cutest shit scene. 276 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:03.399 There's cutesy little fake ceremonies you do. You know your yeah, 277 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:05.600 playdates and stuff with your child. I understand that. But 278 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:09.039 he fucking married his daughter, yeah, unofficially. 279 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:13.639 Yeah, and then a few years later started sexually assaulting her, 280 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:17.759 and at fourteen years old, she would become pregnant. Fuck. 281 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:22.799 And at fifteen years old, Marcus would legally because apparently 282 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:26.200 at that point in time that was legal age. I 283 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:29.360 don't know. Mary Elizabeth and she would give birth to 284 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:35.200 the first of what would be eleven children. And these 285 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:39.080 eleven children were all birthed before Elizabeth reached the age 286 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:45.799 of twenty six. You're a hot shit, yeah, Like I 287 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:47.759 feel like that in itself is almost like using and 288 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:50.480 abusing like that point. Wow, No, woman didn't get a 289 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:52.320 freaking break, She. 290 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:54.519 Didn't get a fuck. She had everything taken from her 291 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:55.080 at that point. 292 00:13:55.240 --> 00:14:00.879 Yeah, everything everything, Wow, because like, that's just a lot 293 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:02.840 of kids in a very short amount of time. 294 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:07.039 Yeah, and very young, and I'm assuming forced upon her. 295 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:12.279 Yeah, and then he I don't know if she, like 296 00:14:12.519 --> 00:14:15.639 she knew no other way, right, and he was manipulating 297 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:17.679 her to believe that this was like the right way 298 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:19.159 of life, this kind of thing. So I don't know 299 00:14:19.159 --> 00:14:22.720 if she was, like, I mean, he it was bad 300 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:24.320 what he was doing, one hundred percent, but like, I 301 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:26.679 don't know if she like knew it was bad. There 302 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:28.639 was one article that said something about like that she 303 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:29.960 liked the attention. 304 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:33.639 But you grow up learning that things from these figures. 305 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:36.720 Oh it's right, it's right, it's right. That's false information. 306 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:39.039 Yeah, we will talk about that more too. 307 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:41.240 So this is a whole fuck up situation. 308 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:44.240 Wow, Oh this is just the fucking start. Man, like 309 00:14:44.360 --> 00:14:47.279 cam your titties like this, this just goes down. 310 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:50.120 I Am not going to calm my titties. I'm going 311 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:53.279 to start flapping them everywhere. And if you get hit 312 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:54.440 in the face, it's your own. 313 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:59.440 My own fault. Okay, Okay. So at one point in time, okay, 314 00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:02.279 and this is where one thing that I couldn't fully find. 315 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:05.559 I think it was Elizabeth's sister, but it could also 316 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:08.799 have been Rosemary's oldest daughter. But it doesn't super matter. 317 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:12.480 One of these people suffered Okay, it doesn't matter because 318 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:14.240 of this, it's because something else. It sucks that she 319 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:16.840 suffered from a drug addiction, like not saying that's not 320 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:17.279 a good thing. 321 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:20.960 But the different differentiating between the individuals isn't necessary. Okay. 322 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:23.919 So one of them was unable to care for their 323 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:28.759 children so left them in the care of Elizabeth and Marcus. 324 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:35.279 And that individual had seven children. So this household was 325 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:39.120 just like a massive a massive amount of kids. 326 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:41.120 It's a colony at this point. 327 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:46.159 Like crazy, so basically a lot of mouse to feed. 328 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:48.399 Right, yeah, so and get this right. So far we 329 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:52.799 have Rosemary having eight kids, and of those eight kids, 330 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:54.120 two of them have had. 331 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:57.120 Okay, but no, we've jumped ahead. Now we're basically like 332 00:15:57.200 --> 00:15:59.639 Elizabeth is now with Marcus. 333 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:04.120 Okay, so Rosemary's not in the house anymore. Rosemary's gone. 334 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:06.159 He left her for Elizabeth. 335 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:08.519 I don't know if she's still in the house, but 336 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:12.519 like Elizabeth, it's now we're moving on to Elizabeth's and 337 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:16.440 Marcus's story, right, Okay, he was never married to Rosemary. 338 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:18.799 Okay. See, I assumed like he was like married to 339 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:21.879 Rosemary and married to her daughter Elizabeth. 340 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:22.919 At the same time. I don't think he was ever 341 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:25.960 actually married to Rosemary. Okay, yeah, so no, we're just 342 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:28.039 like we jumped ahead a little bit here to where 343 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:30.519 she's had like twenty six or and now she's the 344 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:34.000 twenty six children, I mean eleven children before the age 345 00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:37.039 of twenty six, and then now they also have like 346 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:39.240 these additional kids. So it's just like a house full. 347 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:41.320 I mean, that's like eighteen children, is it. 348 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:42.720 Outs that's a lot of kids. 349 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:45.679 Yeah, Like, that's a shit ton of kids. 350 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:47.399 I can't handle two huskies. 351 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:53.000 Yeah, I just think that we would be drowning. Okay, 352 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:56.399 where was I hear? Do Do do doo? Okay. So 353 00:16:56.480 --> 00:16:58.720 Marcus was also not able to really keep a steady, 354 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:02.639 steady job, receiving most of the family's income from welfare. 355 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:06.720 This caused the family to kind of drift from place 356 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:11.680 to place with some rather unique living arrangements. I don't 357 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:13.640 know if we'll find them that unique, but some people might. 358 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:17.000 So. 359 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:18.880 At one point in time, the family lived in a 360 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:22.880 twenty six foot boat, and their dinner would sometimes be 361 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:27.319 scavenged hamburgers from a McDonald's dumpster, which I'm like, kind 362 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:30.480 of breaks my heart. And this boat would, however, get 363 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:33.240 Marcus in some trouble. He failed to disclose it as 364 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:38.279 an asset when collecting welfare, which is fraud. So in 365 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:41.279 nineteen ninety Marcus would actually serve some time in jail. 366 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:43.680 Oh shit, I think it was only like about a year. 367 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:45.519 I could never find exactly how much, but it wasn't 368 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:48.440 like a shit ton amount of time. So in the 369 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:52.160 mid mid in late nineteen nineties, the family lived in 370 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:56.119 a trailer and a large army tent in the Santa 371 00:17:56.119 --> 00:18:00.119 Cruz Mountains with no running water. They also at one 372 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:03.680 point lived in a decaying sixty three foot tug boat 373 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:08.039 and a school bus. Wow. So basically, I wouldn't say 374 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:11.279 like life was super easy for the Wesson children. 375 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:13.359 No kidding. They definitely have it hard. 376 00:18:13.400 --> 00:18:16.640 Yeah, but they don't know it right. So, However, by 377 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:19.559 the late nineteen nineties, some of the children were old 378 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:23.359 enough to get jobs, to which Marcus used their money 379 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:30.359 to buy an old office building in Fresno, Fresno, California, Resne. 380 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:33.480 I always want to say freshca like I had to 381 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:39.839 like practice early, but no, it's Fresno. So though some 382 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:42.720 of the living room remainement, like I said, were unique, 383 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:45.319 it was also Marcus's way of keeping the family out 384 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:49.160 of site from others. None of the kids attended school 385 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:55.519 because Marcus distrusted the public education system and if you 386 00:18:55.599 --> 00:18:58.920 lived in a neighborhood and you had seen like numerous 387 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:02.200 children around midday, like you might get some questions. 388 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:03.400 Right, yeah, that's fair. 389 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:06.759 Okay, So now to dive in a bit deeper into 390 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:09.839 the story, as it's been a bit fluffy, that's that's. 391 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:11.160 Fluffy fluffy so far. 392 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:11.799 That's fluffy. 393 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:14.119 That's the fluff on the top. That's ther foam la. 394 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:20.119 There go extra phone place. Okay. So unfortunately, Elizabeth was 395 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:22.799 not the only girl Marcus would take an interest in. 396 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:24.279 I figured that was coming. 397 00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:28.200 At an early age. He would go on to molest 398 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:31.960 and have children with other young girls in his life, 399 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:38.000 other girls being his daughters and his nieces. Marcus sexually 400 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:41.319 us two of his daughters and three of his nieces, 401 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:45.519