Speaker 1: Hello everybody, Welcome back to the fire Escape cast. This
Speaker 1: is episode ninety seven, the last episode of twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four fire Escapes fourth.
Speaker 2: Year operating something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty one April twenty twenty one, so wow. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 3: April will be the five year, no four year anniversary.
Speaker 3: What we're almost to four years?
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, yeah that checks out. Yeah okay, but.
Speaker 1: We were doing stuff before that. We did the half year.
Speaker 2: Five Game of the Years yeah okay.
Speaker 4: So that's what makes it confusing is because we did
Speaker 4: we did a gody as our very first test EPI,
Speaker 4: and when we did that, we kind of were like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is let's let's do it for real.
Speaker 5: No, but I consider that a part of the three announcement.
Speaker 3: Yeah, preak through twenty twenty is the first one. Then
Speaker 3: we did the Game of the Year twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like our pilot episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then people were like, I cannot imagine my
Speaker 1: life without this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Clamor they were emailing there.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of clamor and people holding signs outside
Speaker 3: of our houses.
Speaker 5: They sat them, get them away. We said it back back, I.
Speaker 2: Say, yeah, be gone, leave the house.
Speaker 3: It's like those old clips of the Beatles and there's
Speaker 3: just like a million people chased them through the streets.
Speaker 4: I know, we almost got canceled. Mike said we were
Speaker 4: bigger than Jesus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we stay that. We stayed by that. I
Speaker 2: said that, we all said that.
Speaker 5: He stands by it.
Speaker 3: The podcast fire Escapecast colon we're bigger than Jesus in
Speaker 3: numerous ways.
Speaker 5: We bought that billboard right, it's.
Speaker 1: In Oklahoma somewhere, and us just all like flipping double
Speaker 1: birds in the airs.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wore I told you guys this, but I think
Speaker 1: I didn't post a photo, but I think people would
Speaker 1: find it funny. I wore my dorky Christmas sweatshirt to
Speaker 1: my day job, and uh, a person who I like
Speaker 1: a lot pretty high up my company. This person no no, no, no,
Speaker 1: not even on the game scene like the wider Oh.
Speaker 2: Like she's high up. She's like, what is dorky Christmas?
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh god, uh I oh, it's
Speaker 1: just a podcast I used to listen to. I honestly,
Speaker 1: it's an inside joke. I forgot how it started. And
Speaker 1: then I kind of just like sidled away.
Speaker 2: You should have been like my friend had a dream
Speaker 2: that he kind of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not even there's no, it's not like that
Speaker 1: it's inappropriate. It's that the explanation is so weird.
Speaker 2: Just separately too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's inappropriate, definitely, but also like, yeah, he had
Speaker 1: a dream where someone offered him a dorky Christmas. But
Speaker 1: in the dream logic it made sense that it was
Speaker 1: a hand job.
Speaker 3: But also in the dream it didn't even happen, so
Speaker 3: I guess it's not that inappropriate. It was offered using
Speaker 3: that verbiage.
Speaker 2: But happy.
Speaker 1: I don't know if like the VP of my company
Speaker 1: would differentiate between whether the dorky Christmas happened.
Speaker 2: I think it's just wasn't finished.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, that would be a very fun HR meeting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was, actually it was. It was dry and it
Speaker 1: was there's no completion. He woke up first, that's true,
Speaker 1: but it was funny. I made sure to stand in
Speaker 1: like the front row so you could see the sweatshirt.
Speaker 2: I'll send you guys the photo.
Speaker 1: That's fantastic, and I really just didn't have any other
Speaker 1: It was, you know, the theme was as usual, ugly
Speaker 1: Christmas sweater and that was the old like I have
Speaker 1: that one with the Santa who's ripped lifting weights. But
Speaker 1: I was like, that's played out.
Speaker 3: I feel like the ugly Christmas sweater thing, like drawing
Speaker 3: attention to the ugliness that started what like ten years ago?
Speaker 2: Yeah about that.
Speaker 5: It became it became ironic they were in the nineties.
Speaker 4: In nineties, like Christmas films, you'd always see ugly sweaters.
Speaker 3: So I was ever like, like I found the ugliest,
Speaker 3: silliest one.
Speaker 2: It was just like that's what people wore.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm with you, But I'm sure if we
Speaker 1: google it, we'd realize we're wrong. I don't feel like
Speaker 1: googling it though, Yeah, well no I do, Yeah, I do. Actually,
Speaker 1: when do you think I'm of saying shit and finding
Speaker 1: out months later I was nowhere near.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to just wonder, like the commercialization of it,
Speaker 4: which is I think what we're talking about, is it
Speaker 4: kind of when.
Speaker 5: It became oh wow, mainstream ruined and a little bit.
Speaker 4: I think it's still fun and I think people should
Speaker 4: still wear their silly sweaters. But there was a point
Speaker 4: when Spencer's only sold like four hundred terrible looking sweaters
Speaker 4: with sexual innuendos like jingle my bells, and stuff by
Speaker 4: stocking honey, and it's just like at some point you
Speaker 4: were like, I think we've we've jumped the shark on
Speaker 4: these sweaters.
Speaker 2: The proposition of it all. Yeah, we were, as they said, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we were not far off.
Speaker 1: So they originally came to be in the fifties as
Speaker 1: jingle bell sweaters. However, sixties and seventies counterculture, they became
Speaker 1: like more like not even ironic, like on purpose to
Speaker 1: show like more of a low class holiday expression. Eighties,
Speaker 1: a certain lead in a show called The Cosby Show
Speaker 1: popularized them with strange patterns.
Speaker 2: You like that.
Speaker 1: The nineties and two thousands, the style of ugly Christmas
Speaker 1: sweaters winded down, but was revived by the two thousand
Speaker 1: and one film Bridget jones Is Diary, where Mark Darcy
Speaker 1: a shame for wearing an unattractive knit reindeer sweater. And
Speaker 1: then two thousands and onward, ugly sweater parties become popular
Speaker 1: and the trend gain camp appeal in the twenty ten So, yes,
Speaker 1: you're spot on.
Speaker 3: And now it's gotten even more fun. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: I go home for the holidays and it's like, oh good,
Speaker 3: there's a bunch of trump Christmas sweaters.
Speaker 2: Great, that's fun. That's a great time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can be you can be open about those.
Speaker 1: These days now even more.
Speaker 3: People are celebrating down there. It's great, yes, yeah, But
Speaker 3: I don't have many of these days.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I've never really I did it once for like once
Speaker 3: or twice for we did that for Giant Bomb, where
Speaker 3: it's like we did christmasweater Steff and I got like
Speaker 3: a Matchman or any savage thing. But I don't think
Speaker 3: I've ever been a sweater guy.
Speaker 4: I have the best one because Dan gifted me stofers'
Speaker 4: tis the season for cheese.
Speaker 2: And yeah I still have that, right, you took that
Speaker 2: home the Big Dane.
Speaker 4: I get a lot of mments on this. Stofer tis
Speaker 4: the season for cheese and sweater. I really do, I
Speaker 4: genuinely do. I got stopped in a supermarket three times
Speaker 4: by people saying what is that that is so funny?
Speaker 4: Is there macaroni on the sleeves? And I was like,
Speaker 4: you bet your buttons there are, and it's just like
Speaker 4: it's funny, it's ironic, but it's also like genuinely from
Speaker 4: Stofers and it has a bowl of mac and cheese.
Speaker 5: I'll take a photo and share it because it's a funny. Genuinely,
Speaker 5: it is a funny sweater.
Speaker 4: This is how it happened is I went to Dan's unprepared,
Speaker 4: as per usual.
Speaker 5: I think I had to go from a different work trip.
Speaker 4: I went literally from a work trip to your place,
Speaker 4: and I didn't have time to pack for both climates.
Speaker 4: So I didn't bring enough sweaters and I was cold,
Speaker 4: and so I asked you for a sweater.
Speaker 5: You gave me a what a burger onesie?
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I snuggy. Yeah, it was really comfortable, super comfortable.
Speaker 5: I loved it. He gave me first. Yeah, how did
Speaker 5: you get in here?
Speaker 2: This is really comfortable.
Speaker 4: I got in I got it in the middle of
Speaker 4: the night for a glass of water, and I laughed
Speaker 4: and I yelled at Mike and my pajamas.
Speaker 5: How Mike got in my pajamas?
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: You woke up a lot heavier than when you went
Speaker 1: to bed.
Speaker 5: Just dragging this loaf around.
Speaker 4: But anyway, so the water burger onesie was very comfortable
Speaker 4: and I enjoyed it. And then I was like, damn it,
Speaker 4: I wish I had like one more sweater because you
Speaker 4: really shouldn't leave the house in a waterburger onesie. I
Speaker 4: think you can, but I do think it's frowned upon socially.
Speaker 4: And so Dan takes a box down from his.
Speaker 6: Garage and it is a Stofer's Christmas package and it
Speaker 6: is filled with several sweaters from Stofers, who I shoes like,
Speaker 6: just sends you stuff because you love Stowfers so much.
Speaker 4: And it included a tis the season for Cheese and
Speaker 4: ugly sweater. It also included a mac and cheese hoodie,
Speaker 4: which I think ishilarious because that's what we did last
Speaker 4: time we visited you.
Speaker 5: I do it did my closet, I dude, My carry
Speaker 5: on was stuffed to the brim.
Speaker 4: I was worried at any moment it was gonna snap
Speaker 4: open and all of my mac and cheese wardrobe was
Speaker 4: gonna pop out on the plane.
Speaker 5: But I got both those babies home.
Speaker 3: I am glad you did, because I mean it. I
Speaker 3: think I might have ruined macaroni and cheese for myself.
Speaker 3: And I think this has been a big art of
Speaker 3: like between break, I think my body and brain now
Speaker 3: have revolted against macaroni and cheese and are like telling
Speaker 3: it me that, like, hey, you cannot keep doing this
Speaker 3: this way, you know, breaking my finger. I'm glad I
Speaker 3: gave this stuff to you that not my house more cuz, uh,
Speaker 3: there's a good chance, I would say a fifty percent
Speaker 3: chance that I will have to just randomly leave this
Speaker 3: room in the middle of this podcast and either puke
Speaker 3: or shit my brains out.
Speaker 2: Oh God, I guess I haven't talked to you guys. No,
Speaker 2: that's not just something you can bring up.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, So Wednesday night, so as this recording,
Speaker 3: this was you know, five days ago, six days ago
Speaker 3: or whatever. Tim Terry, your friend of mine, was in
Speaker 3: town for the holidays, and m went out to the
Speaker 3: Chatterbox pup to kind of catch up, have some drinks,
Speaker 3: have some food.
Speaker 2: I go there and, uh, this place used to be
Speaker 2: really good.
Speaker 3: I looked at more recent uh Google reviews, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: something has happened to this place. And I ordered a
Speaker 3: menu item called mac amania and it.
Speaker 2: Was a ves describe it, okay, so it's it's a
Speaker 2: vat of macaroni and cheese. Great awesome, which.
Speaker 3: By the way, I also got a appetizer of a
Speaker 3: big soft pretzel and a beer cheese dip.
Speaker 1: So I had a bunch of to get there.
Speaker 5: Did your cheese appetite for your cheese maine.
Speaker 2: For the vat?
Speaker 3: Yes, and yeah, that's what I said, yes, yeah. And
Speaker 3: so the thing with Macamania is it's just the biggest
Speaker 3: fucking bowl of macaroni cheese you've ever seen.
Speaker 5: I get to know about.
Speaker 4: Macamania is not a bowl.
Speaker 3: It's a deep cooking dish that's like flat auldron.
Speaker 2: It's like a cauldron.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's we're familiar with these containers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am too, unfortunately.
Speaker 3: And so you picked three add ons and I picked
Speaker 3: pulled pork, sage, sausage, and chili.
Speaker 2: That I wanted.
Speaker 3: They didn't that I didn't pick chili as the third
Speaker 3: add on. They thought I wanted a separate order of chili.
Speaker 3: So they brought me the vat of Macamania and a
Speaker 3: big ass bowl of chili. And I told him like, oh,
Speaker 3: I hope I'm not getting charged for this because I
Speaker 3: wanted this as an add on, And she's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: I'll just take it off, but you can just pour
Speaker 3: it in there, like okay, And I just dumped the
Speaker 3: entire bowl of chili into my macamania file. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: so or uh something something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the nanosecond I'm done, actually, before I finish eating
Speaker 3: this thing, I start feeling terrible.
Speaker 5: Did you finish it? I just want to know I.
Speaker 2: Did finish it.
Speaker 3: And also like they didn't bring like forks, and there's
Speaker 3: just like a weird like mug thing on the table
Speaker 3: that like I didn't know. There was just like two
Speaker 3: forks in there that I couldn't tell if they were
Speaker 3: clean or not.
Speaker 2: And I asked Tim. I was like, do you think
Speaker 2: these are clean?
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, they must have washed it, but it
Speaker 3: looked like a discard mug for dirty silver or something like.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I used it and ooh felt real bad by
Speaker 3: the end, and I'm like, okay, all right, see it, Tim,
Speaker 3: you know, go home.
Speaker 2: I have a beer and go to bed.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Next morning, I wake up a couple hours where I
Speaker 3: normally do, and it's just gurgling and a burglin in there.
Speaker 3: It is just like the stomach is just rolling over itself.
Speaker 3: I'm laying next to she's asleep, and I know she's
Speaker 3: going to hear this, so I hate to give this detail,
Speaker 3: but I'm like she's asleep and this is not a
Speaker 3: like I try not to fart around her too much,
Speaker 3: you know, like she just told me, Am, I just
Speaker 3: feel weird just you know, farting willy nilly around my
Speaker 3: wife all the time.
Speaker 2: But I'm just going to town.
Speaker 3: It's like, I, this is gonna be an issue if
Speaker 3: I don't, and I thought it would ease the stomach
Speaker 3: percolating and oh, I.
Speaker 2: Hope you shit your pants.
Speaker 3: Well we're gonna get some more details here because keep
Speaker 3: in mind, I've never shipped my pants past diaper's age.
Speaker 5: So, oh god, victory lap for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I take I think going back to diaper's age.
Speaker 3: So I had to get up and I'm just feeling
Speaker 3: real bad. I go downstairs. I have a couple of
Speaker 3: Mountain Dews and then calm the gurgle. They said carbon
Speaker 3: carbonation helps with the gurgling, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're also running with Sue Cross and.
Speaker 3: That's fine. So I had a couple of Baja blast zeros.
Speaker 3: I go down Oh zeros, okay, yeah, yeah, and we've
Speaker 3: got a morning meeting. It was like an all hands
Speaker 3: meeting where it was like, you know, there's you know,
Speaker 3: a different I'm not gonna go to like details or whatever,
Speaker 3: but like, you know, we're having meetings as a company
Speaker 3: and stuff about different meals jumble, so what twenty twenty five,
Speaker 3: what we're doing? You know, there's like a bigger like, hey,
Speaker 3: we're all gonna get together and talk about the plan
Speaker 3: for twenty twenty five basically. So it's an important meeting.
Speaker 3: And I go on there, I turn the camera on
Speaker 3: and stuff, and I'm just like just feeling my face
Speaker 3: get white, and I'm feeling just things. And I've never
Speaker 3: like had to leave a meeting really, I don't think
Speaker 3: for like a bathroom emergency, like like a long stream
Speaker 3: or something. If it's like just me and grab ull
Speaker 3: be like I'm gonna take piss or whatever. This is
Speaker 3: like an important company meeting. And at one point I'm
Speaker 3: like I farted because my mic is muted, and I'm
Speaker 3: like I can fart, this is fine, And there was
Speaker 3: a feeling that I had. I was like, that's I
Speaker 3: have farted tens of thousands of times in my life.
Speaker 3: I've never felt that, And so I just turn off
Speaker 3: my camera and I sprint to the bathroom. I do
Speaker 3: a little wellness check on the situation and no issues.
Speaker 2: It was just I did a wipe. There was no residue.
Speaker 1: Are they still are the are the underwear and questions
Speaker 1: still intact? I'd like to inspect these myself.
Speaker 3: They're totally fine. They're in the right now. If we
Speaker 3: take the out of the ham for for the laundry,
Speaker 3: we can save it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna need some time with them. Yep.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, okay, cool, Just good to know not
Speaker 3: to trust any farts today. Run back to the meeting,
Speaker 3: turn the camera back on. Look, Yes, everything's normally as professional.
Speaker 5: Just maybe shit my pen.
Speaker 2: No one's the.
Speaker 3: Wiser until I talk about it on a podcast.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: And then I am like five minutes, I'm just like dying.
Speaker 3: And it's like a schedule, like forty five minute meeting,
Speaker 3: and I'm just like, oh, I keep looking at the clock.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I gotta make it twenty three more minutes.
Speaker 3: I gotta make it twenty some long time. When you're
Speaker 3: gurgling and I feel terrible and I have turned the
Speaker 3: camera off again, I sprint into the bathroom and just
Speaker 3: puke everywhere.
Speaker 2: Just and I what was it? Mac? It was like
Speaker 2: very watery, It was like.
Speaker 5: Do you think it was the fucking Baja Blast.
Speaker 3: Zero No, No, I think like two of them that
Speaker 3: you drank in the morning. Everything was a jumble. The
Speaker 3: mac and cheese, the Baja Blast. I think the next
Speaker 3: thirty six.
Speaker 1: Hours a jumble. This is a Christmas poem about well the
Speaker 1: back in Baja Blast for a jumble I drank.
Speaker 4: I sprang from my seat to see if my ass
Speaker 4: was a splatter.
Speaker 2: There was no streakage. Nothing was the matter.
Speaker 1: March Yeah, you go on for hours, were gonna stop
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: So I was.
Speaker 3: Supposed to be on a podcast that day. I was
Speaker 3: supposed to start my Blake Club game the next day.
Speaker 3: And it's just like, there's just no fucking way. It's
Speaker 3: look for the Blake Club game, I'm doing this Terminator
Speaker 3: three thing, and I got to wear this elaborate, stupid
Speaker 3: fucking thing. I'm like, I'm just gonna shit my pants
Speaker 3: in this for I do this. So I had to,
Speaker 3: Like I laid in bed for like it felt like
Speaker 3: two days straight, Like didn't get out of bed, didn't
Speaker 3: I felt I couldn't even like play a game or anything.
Speaker 3: I was just like puking and laying down and putting
Speaker 3: ice on my head. I puked more in that couple
Speaker 3: of days than I puked in the last like five
Speaker 3: years combined.
Speaker 5: It must be yeah.
Speaker 2: Even oh, poisoning.
Speaker 3: Absolutely still, I'm still feeling the gurglings and burglans in
Speaker 3: there went out the dinner gon last night. I was
Speaker 3: the first like actual like dinner meal I've had since
Speaker 3: it happened. It went all right, But.
Speaker 5: What did you have to cheese?
Speaker 3: I had so it was a Japanese Italian fusion restaurant thing,
Speaker 3: and one of the things was a pasta type thing,
Speaker 3: but I don't think I would call it mac and cheese.
Speaker 5: What was it? Was it pasta with cheese?
Speaker 2: Japanese Italian fusion in itself? Sans Shan Sancho John.
Speaker 5: None of that is necessary? Was it cheese pasta? Dan?
Speaker 2: There was cheese? I can look up the menu. It
Speaker 2: was a lot though.
Speaker 3: It was like almost like Tapa Tapa style where we
Speaker 3: just like ordered like a ton of different stuff.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 1: Here's the menu, Spanish and Italian and Japanese Spanish. Una.
Speaker 1: That's not worth explaining.
Speaker 2: I had aaron chi, I had porkiosa. I had sweet
Speaker 2: potato karaque.
Speaker 3: I had uh uh some pasta.
Speaker 2: But what was the pasta?
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of these was like a cheesy ish thing,
Speaker 3: but I don't think anybody would call it macaroni cheese.
Speaker 3: But I did have We had two different pizzas, like
Speaker 3: pesto pizza with mozzarella.
Speaker 2: Yeah, skewers of meat and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: Have you considered maybe taking it easy on the cheesy.
Speaker 2: I think I do.
Speaker 3: Think it's my body kind of telling me that, like, hey,
Speaker 3: you can't just keep having cauldrons of macaroni and cheese
Speaker 3: and like six beers.
Speaker 1: You know, I thought you were gonna say you are
Speaker 1: finally like developing lactose intolerance, but no, you're saying that
Speaker 1: you're still associating maca cheese with the food poisoning, which happens.
Speaker 1: Like I still can't have a burger from a very
Speaker 1: famous chain in New York because I got food poisoning
Speaker 1: from it, right, it's weird link to it.
Speaker 3: So like I'm eating again and it's mostly fine, but like,
Speaker 3: if I think of macaronie cheese, it's awful. But also
Speaker 3: this place now, I looked at the recent reviews and
Speaker 3: it just seems like it's like I think Tim described
Speaker 3: it as like a bunch of muppet babies trying to
Speaker 3: run a restaurant and like so like it was super slow,
Speaker 3: like all the service like they just wouldn't even look
Speaker 3: at you.
Speaker 2: They're rolling their eyes at the customers.
Speaker 3: This one guy, the bartender, for a while was like
Speaker 3: rubbing his eyes like I got a bunch of worship
Speaker 3: sire sauce in my eyes. And he just stood there
Speaker 3: like wow for like a long time. And then there
Speaker 3: was a Google of you being like, yeah, the bartender
Speaker 3: cut his thumb open and was bleeding and I said, oh,
Speaker 3: you need a band aid for that. He's like, no,
Speaker 3: I'm fine. You just kept bleeding everywhere. So like, I
Speaker 3: don't know what the hell happened to the chatter. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but they haven't any ass set up there, which is
Speaker 3: why I like.
Speaker 4: Itay, the number one rule of all restaurants is is
Speaker 4: don't make people sick.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 4: It's not even make good food. That is secondary to
Speaker 4: not getting people sick. And the idea that there's like
Speaker 4: people who need band aids and possibly used silverware in
Speaker 4: a mug on your table is really vile. And I
Speaker 4: think that's so stressful that you had to go through that,
Speaker 4: going getting food poisoning is like one of the worst
Speaker 4: hells that people can experience that that I can imagine.
Speaker 3: I think I maybe had mild versions of it in
Speaker 3: the past, but this is like this gotcha like knocking
Speaker 3: me on my ass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gone it twice in the last like ten years,
Speaker 1: and it was so bad the first time. Trying not
Speaker 1: to get too graphic. There was nothing graphic.
Speaker 2: There was nothing.
Speaker 1: There was nothing left to come up my bot. No,
Speaker 1: it was not it did not come out that end.
Speaker 1: It was all mouth.
Speaker 2: Stock, just checking. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're in a glass case in the dining room
Speaker 1: on the wall. Yeah, it's like your body. It just
Speaker 1: still feels whatever.
Speaker 5: It is fox seed. We turned it into a.
Speaker 1: No, it's it's texadermat underwear. There wasn't an animal face
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 3: Like for the first like I would say, twenty four
Speaker 3: to thirty six hours, it was puking and shitting and
Speaker 3: then after that it was mostly just fire hose from
Speaker 3: the ass.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but like with horse where it likes you
Speaker 3: got to like, okay, I'm sorry, but you know, normally
Speaker 3: you wipe your ass and I use a bidet, so
Speaker 3: it's like very nice and clean, but it's all just
Speaker 3: centralized there. But when you have that fire hose ejection
Speaker 3: situation going on, it hits the water with such a
Speaker 3: force that you have to like wipe your asses, your
Speaker 3: bodies because like.
Speaker 7: Get a shower gun blast of all over your whole buttocks.
Speaker 5: Disgusting.
Speaker 2: It sucks. So you need it.
Speaker 1: You need like a second toilet specifically for diarrhea that's
Speaker 1: really tall, like so you sit way.
Speaker 2: Up here, just suit it way in. It's like at
Speaker 2: this pit like a cave.
Speaker 1: Tour splash zone house, and then right diarrhea shack on
Speaker 1: it so your neighbors know not to go in there.
Speaker 5: I told you guys that I got food poisoning at
Speaker 5: the Game Awards last year, right, and I couldn't eat
Speaker 5: for like six days.
Speaker 1: It's the long I didn't see you after a certain point.
Speaker 4: I feel all I had like or dirvs like at
Speaker 4: a and I think, you know, probably something sat out
Speaker 4: too long. There's a couple, there's always I think I
Speaker 4: went to three that night, so there's no guarantee of us.
Speaker 4: It could be and everybody else was eating the food
Speaker 4: and I'm the only one who got sick. But I
Speaker 4: I was ill and I had to take a flight.
Speaker 4: And so I was like, don't worry, you can get
Speaker 4: through it. But I hadn't eaten or drinken anything in like,
Speaker 4: you know, twelve hours, and so I was very thirsty.
Speaker 5: And so I had a.
Speaker 4: Half a bottle of water and I had some SIPs
Speaker 4: of my half a bottle of water as I was
Speaker 4: in the security line for TSA and as it was
Speaker 4: my turn, I knew I was going to puke.
Speaker 5: There was no way I was going to get out
Speaker 5: of it.
Speaker 4: You just know, you know, like you try and repress it,
Speaker 4: and you think, you try and mentally say like it.
Speaker 5: Could be anything, but yeah, it was happening.
Speaker 4: And the closest thing that we had was the water
Speaker 4: receptacle that you can dump your water bottle liquid in,
Speaker 4: and I puked in that in.
Speaker 5: Front of a whole full TSA line.
Speaker 2: That sucks.
Speaker 4: It was aerful, It was awful. And they didn't stop me.
Speaker 4: They let me go through and nobody bothered me. And
Speaker 4: I went through the TSA line and then I just
Speaker 4: I propped myself up next to a little garbage can
Speaker 4: and I sat there for twenty minutes until my flight.
Speaker 4: It was it was a miserable miserable end of the year.
Speaker 4: I didn't eat for I said, so I couldn't eat
Speaker 4: for like six days. And on the sixth day, I
Speaker 4: was like, I genuinely think I was able to drink water.
Speaker 4: I think after two days. But when you can only
Speaker 4: drink water and you can't have food for six days,
Speaker 4: I was very concerned for my health. And so I
Speaker 4: made an appointment with a doctor, an emergency visit, and said,
Speaker 4: I haven't eaten anything solid in six days. And she
Speaker 4: looked at me and she said, you'll be okay. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: And I was like, I did it.
Speaker 1: I thought you had to eat food like three weeks
Speaker 1: or something. I don't know. I don't trust anything, I said,
Speaker 1: I recounting.
Speaker 4: Fucking doctor, if you haven't eaten. But I think the
Speaker 4: way I received it was you think I got a
Speaker 4: bunch of meat on my bones?
Speaker 2: Lady?
Speaker 5: She kind of was like, oh, you're fine.
Speaker 8: If you were skinny, i'd be worried, but you're good,
Speaker 8: go home, And this is just the plague of the woman.
Speaker 8: But I was like, how dare you say that I'm
Speaker 8: not gonna die from not eating for six days?
Speaker 2: Tell me I'm gonna die?
Speaker 5: Yeah, tell me?
Speaker 1: I say I'm deader is just hiding up behind the door.
Speaker 5: He's the most toxic reaction. I was so sick. I
Speaker 5: was like, my body looks incredible.
Speaker 4: I would not get I don't approve of this, but yeah,
Speaker 4: that was like my terrible experience.
Speaker 5: After six days, I had some saltines and I was back, baby,
Speaker 5: But I I still and I don't know again, but like,
Speaker 5: I think it could have been like some kind of
Speaker 5: mac and cheese ball situation. And I do think that
Speaker 5: mac and cheese has a special consistency that might lend
Speaker 5: itself to food born illness. There's just something about like
Speaker 5: it's just gooey. It's like half warm, half cool. Anything
Speaker 5: can be in that goo.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't know it if there was like a fingernail
Speaker 4: in there, because you're just kind of like gulping the
Speaker 4: whole ball at once. So I just think it lends
Speaker 4: itself to something you can hide gross stuff in.
Speaker 3: I really wonder if it's if I'm gonna shake this like,
Speaker 3: because it's I could think about eating a steak right
Speaker 3: now or peanut butter sandwich and be fine, but mac
Speaker 3: and cheese I'm.
Speaker 4: Like, oh god, no, mac and cheese is going to
Speaker 4: be a tough one, and I agree with what Mike
Speaker 4: was saying. When you have a physical reaction to food mentally,
Speaker 4: that can harm you.
Speaker 5: For years. I puked my guts out on my sixteenth
Speaker 5: birthday because I ate a whole rack of ribs. People
Speaker 5: said I couldn't do it, and I did it, and
Speaker 5: then I puked that shit out. And now I couldn't
Speaker 5: have ribs for like five years.
Speaker 4: Oh, everyone said the ball, Yeah, the.
Speaker 5: Ball you ever did see? I couldn't eat ribs for
Speaker 5: like five years.
Speaker 4: I can eat ribs now, but I had a visceral
Speaker 4: reaction to to like smoky barbecue sauce for years.
Speaker 3: Like I'm feeling like even just thinking about the maca
Speaker 3: cheese right now, my stomach is.
Speaker 1: Stop thinking about it cheese.
Speaker 2: Maybe I will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am planning on like January, like okay, I
Speaker 3: gotta actually start getting ready for the training for the
Speaker 3: marathon stuff.
Speaker 2: So like I am seeing this, It's.
Speaker 3: Like, all right, I've got like a week left, a
Speaker 3: week and a half to eat like an asshole, drink
Speaker 3: and stuff, and then I might get pretty serious about it.
Speaker 3: But for the holidays.
Speaker 5: My body is really starting to go away. So I'm
Speaker 5: thinking in two weeks might give up.
Speaker 2: Look, I've got a big resolution guy. I forgot about
Speaker 2: that yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah I'm not New Year's resolution guy, but Traveling Smiths're
Speaker 3: hosting a New Year's party all that stuff, you know, so,
Speaker 3: oh god, I've also getting this thing. You get it
Speaker 3: with the food poisoning, where like you wake up just
Speaker 3: covered in sweat and like.
Speaker 2: It's colder, like fever.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, because like bank walked, can we sleep with
Speaker 3: the door open out to the outside and it's like
Speaker 3: six degrees outside wind chills, you know, cool, So it's
Speaker 3: like we keep it cold as fuck in the room.
Speaker 3: But like she'll walk in and be like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: it's so cold, and I'll be like covered in sweat.
Speaker 3: I assume that, Yeah, you.
Speaker 5: Had a fever, bud, Yeah, yeah, for sure you.
Speaker 1: Should tell The sweat is like often when the fever
Speaker 1: breaks for a bit, like I always could.
Speaker 5: My mom always said, but I don't. She won the doctor.
Speaker 4: But every time I go I broke my sweat, she'd
Speaker 4: be like, oh, good, you broke your fever.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: I don't know why that that made me feel.
Speaker 1: Better that she said that, because your body is like
Speaker 1: I don't know, I imagine it. You'd be your body like,
Speaker 1: oh there's nothing left we need to kill by overheating
Speaker 1: you so.
Speaker 3: Well, I keep getting that feeling too, like after like
Speaker 3: these were like violent, loud puking sessions where I'm just
Speaker 3: like just it was crazy, and then and it feels
Speaker 3: like it was coming like out of my heart. It
Speaker 3: felt like like it was wretching like my heart and esophagus,
Speaker 3: like it was painful. And then afterwards, once it was
Speaker 3: all out of me, I would just like kind of
Speaker 3: almost collapse like next to the toilet and I would
Speaker 3: just be sweaty and light headed. And that's the few
Speaker 3: times I would be able to get some sleep. Is
Speaker 3: right after a puke, I would.
Speaker 2: Lay down in my body.
Speaker 1: I was like God like yeah, yeah, broken battered bodies,
Speaker 1: broken souls?
Speaker 2: Is that the wrestling term? That's something you heard once
Speaker 2: that it's stuck with you.
Speaker 1: It's the coolest thing I've ever heard. What was that
Speaker 1: was that announcer Jim Ross thing? Yeah, Jim Ross. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like battered bodies, broken souls. Like that's why have
Speaker 1: I not been watching wrestling my whole life? It's like
Speaker 1: Joy Shakespeare, Yeah, are you unless there's any more to
Speaker 1: add for the food poisoning.
Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, I'm grumbling, So just leave
Speaker 3: the room without saying anything. It's all all back.
Speaker 1: All thirty thousand listeners will know why you left now,
Speaker 1: so you set it up correct.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Uh, speaking of wrestling, though, Dan, I sent you the
Speaker 1: other day, I'm enjoying watching videos of this Stephen Flow
Speaker 1: character in Chicago. Right, he's a He's just a grunge
Speaker 1: theme wrestler in apparently Chicago area. And yeah, his theme
Speaker 1: song is just even Flow. But it's not just that
Speaker 1: they replaced even Flow in the chorus with Stephen Flow.
Speaker 1: The song is just them saying Steven Flow over and
Speaker 1: over to the rhythm flo. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really good.
Speaker 3: I can always tell when something breaks out of wrestling
Speaker 3: nerddom and goes into the mainstream through like some about
Speaker 3: a billion people are like, yeah, I'm gonna text the
Speaker 3: wrestling guy. Yep, yeah that yep, Steven Flows.
Speaker 7: One.
Speaker 3: There's the pizza Luigi Primo guy a couple of years ago,
Speaker 3: like made a pizza.
Speaker 2: Well, uh yeah he killed the guy. Yeah, oh gotcha,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah sick. Yeah yeah. Steven Flow definitely broke out
Speaker 2: of that mold good for him? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is he is that like an indie circuit he's in?
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, he's not like a guy that you
Speaker 3: would see on I mean maybe there's.
Speaker 1: A whole dude whose theme is just an orange in
Speaker 1: my hands are my pocket because I saw wet hot
Speaker 1: American summer. So like if he can raise a legit superstar,
Speaker 1: he's he's very acrobatic. Is he still doing stuff?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, of course. Yeah, he's the coolest person I've
Speaker 1: ever laid eyes on.
Speaker 2: He's very good.
Speaker 1: What else is New Holidays time? New Year's Dan, you're
Speaker 1: doing your annual New Year's Eve party?
Speaker 2: Yep? Doing that?
Speaker 3: Got a bunch people coming over for that. Do you
Speaker 3: have Dad's coming up? You can make it out of
Speaker 3: the hotel for that?
Speaker 2: Oh god? Yeah? Any updates on that?
Speaker 3: We were all asking him frequently for updates, and so
Speaker 3: I'll update you when something happens.
Speaker 2: Okay, there's no.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's still in the hotel.
Speaker 2: Just in the hotel, okay, yep, Yeah, that's just going
Speaker 2: to be his home.
Speaker 3: Apparently he had like a realtor visit, planned to look
Speaker 3: at some stuff, and then he canceled the last second
Speaker 3: because he said he was too busy. But he doesn't
Speaker 3: have a job and doesn't leave the hotels, so I
Speaker 3: don't know what the hell that means.
Speaker 1: So uh, oh, your dad canceled because he was too busy.
Speaker 2: That's real. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, so we're all, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's funny.
Speaker 3: I've told this story on on you know, giant bombing
Speaker 3: here and stuff, and see comments some people like this
Speaker 3: seems like concerning. You should like It's like, yeah, like
Speaker 3: the version you get on the podcast is like, oh,
Speaker 3: so here's this weird thing that we're dealing with. Of course,
Speaker 3: in real life it's like no real ass conversations about
Speaker 3: like do we need to like talk to him then?
Speaker 5: Yeah, are you guys gonna have like a intervention? I mean,
Speaker 5: but it's about not having a house.
Speaker 3: We're wait to see if he figures him out. I'm
Speaker 3: checking in on him all the time, others are checking
Speaker 3: in on him all the time. We're not getting much
Speaker 3: from him, but yeah, they're very real concern and so
Speaker 3: I'm fine, I'm fine.
Speaker 2: I'm fine. I'll figured out.
Speaker 3: I'll get serious aout of two and I'll get seriou
Speaker 3: It's like, oh man, I just uh it's it's tough.
Speaker 2: It is tough.
Speaker 4: Parents are tough, you know, because like their full ass
Speaker 4: grown adults, and parents probably at no point like the
Speaker 4: idea that as their children grow up, the children start
Speaker 4: looking at the parent and being like, are you okay.
Speaker 5: And the parents like, go fuck yourself.
Speaker 4: I fed you, I housed you, I took care of
Speaker 4: you during your stupidest moments, and now you have the
Speaker 4: audacity to ask me how long this milk has.
Speaker 5: Been in the fridge. Get out of here.
Speaker 4: This is a common thing that I think most people
Speaker 4: experience with their parents, because there is that point of
Speaker 4: time when you start saying, well, you're getting a little
Speaker 4: older now, and I am a little worried about you
Speaker 4: leaving the oven on, you know, or like whatever. It
Speaker 4: is that parents each have their own unique foibles that
Speaker 4: make you a little worried. I have that with my
Speaker 4: My dad started doing this weird sleep walking thing at
Speaker 4: one stage in his life where he he fell down
Speaker 4: the stairs in the middle of the night and he
Speaker 4: doesn't remember it. So he woke up and must have
Speaker 4: been walking around and made it to the stairs and
Speaker 4: fell down them.
Speaker 5: And so it was a huge deal and he was
Speaker 5: like I'm fine.
Speaker 4: I know when I'm walking downstairs and it's like, you,
Speaker 4: absolutely the fuck do not because you fell down the stairs.
Speaker 4: And he just relocated to a house with no stairs.
Speaker 4: He calls it the final move, if you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. And now he doesn't have any stairs, he
Speaker 4: has to worry about it anymore. So he solved it
Speaker 4: on his own.
Speaker 5: He didn't need me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I sleepwalk a lot. Yeah, maybe you should not.
Speaker 2: We talked about this before.
Speaker 5: On the fourth floor of a building.
Speaker 1: Yet I'd have to get that's true. I would have
Speaker 1: to there's a fire escape right out back of our bedroom.
Speaker 1: I would have to get through a door first. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I could do that in my sleep,
Speaker 1: although I do a lot of specific stuff when i'm sleepwalking.
Speaker 1: But I think I've figured it out. You've seen our apartment.
Speaker 1: I think our bedroom is a bit bigger than it
Speaker 1: needs to be. It's so big we're gonna add stuff
Speaker 1: to it later, because like way back in the day,
Speaker 1: it used to be a separate apartment that they busted
Speaker 1: out the middle and made them, you know, condos, whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call it. I think the room is
Speaker 1: so big that when I wake up in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night from dreaming, I see shit happening on
Speaker 1: the other side of the room, like shadows moving, because
Speaker 1: it's so far away that I then freak out and
Speaker 1: think there's people in my room, in our room, and
Speaker 1: then I turn lights on and like run out to
Speaker 1: the living room. Sometimes that happens like on a maybe
Speaker 1: weekly basis. Really yeah, and I'm The funny thing is,
Speaker 1: I'm usually fairly conscious, like I'm there. It slowly dawns
Speaker 1: on me that I'm doing something weird.
Speaker 2: So it's not like a sleep paralysis thing. It's not
Speaker 2: like you wake up you can't.
Speaker 7: Move and.
Speaker 2: Over the place, you can't do you No, I thought
Speaker 2: about just firing off rounds left and right. No I don't.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like Dan's father, like we joked in
Speaker 5: but I am worried about you. I'm worried about Amanda
Speaker 5: most of all.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think I would ever, cause again, I'm there.
Speaker 1: It's not like it's completely or unconscious stuff. It's I'm
Speaker 1: sort of present. I just need it's usually either Amanda
Speaker 1: or me, who's like, wait a minute, what am I doing?
Speaker 1: And I'm kind of embarrassed, so I go back to
Speaker 1: the bedroom like I knew what I was doing. I
Speaker 1: was in the first place. Yeah, it's a bit, go
Speaker 1: back to sleep.
Speaker 2: It's four. It's a bit.
Speaker 1: That's the witching hour or or the place is haunted
Speaker 1: and I'm actually onto something.
Speaker 2: You need to get a gun.
Speaker 1: The ghosts are gaslighting me. I need a ghost gun.
Speaker 1: It's that level from Future perfect where you have the
Speaker 1: ghost gun and the real gun.
Speaker 2: Oh, it'd be so fun to be a ghost. Would
Speaker 2: love to be a ghost. Yeah, it would be really good.
Speaker 5: Sure has guns instead.
Speaker 2: Of yeah the steel Yeah, a separate gun, right.
Speaker 5: Gun for ghosts, but you actually shoot. Yeah, the neighbors
Speaker 5: the ghost gun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish it could be a ghost, just like
Speaker 3: I wish I could just go like flip a switch
Speaker 3: and just be a ghost when I want to, and
Speaker 3: then go back to just being a guy.
Speaker 1: Go to John Drake's house and funk with him.
Speaker 3: I do go to John Drake first and foremost when
Speaker 3: I think of just working with someone like he being
Speaker 3: a ghost fucking with John Drake.
Speaker 2: That's a sitcom.
Speaker 1: If you die, or I mean when you die, yeah,
Speaker 1: I absolutely you will be a ghost.
Speaker 2: I have no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: You have too much fun resolved back here on Earth
Speaker 1: that one lifetime cannot contain that, You'll be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just farting pooping.
Speaker 1: And everybody's underwear to convince them that they ship their pants.
Speaker 2: Poop transparent just turns.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're can mean a separate ghost toilet and ghost
Speaker 1: bidet ghost toilet.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, curly hates of Heaven. You will never see that.
Speaker 2: Peter's like, what are you doing here?
Speaker 1: Guy?
Speaker 2: Come on, you go to the gates. They're like, we
Speaker 2: don't want to.
Speaker 5: I don't by requirements. Yeah, place wants to.
Speaker 1: Have no after life will take him. Yeah, ghost on Earth.
Speaker 1: He's too bad ass for Hell and too too chaotic
Speaker 1: for Heaven.
Speaker 4: Too bad ass for Hell, Satan says all the time. Yeah, sorry, Bud,
Speaker 4: but you're just a little too bad ass for Hell.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get that tattoo across my belly button like
Speaker 3: a gothic font for Hell.
Speaker 2: Number four the god get my way out, too bad
Speaker 2: ass for Hell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, funk my way out of Heaven. Shat my way
Speaker 1: out of Hell. Yeah, we got, we got, we gotta.
Speaker 1: Someone's I hope someone's writing down these bumper stickers because
Speaker 1: we got a lot of Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we gotta get in that bumper sticker business. We
Speaker 2: had that idea.
Speaker 1: Funcked my way out of heaven the angels. It ran
Speaker 1: trained through all the angels. Then I got bored.
Speaker 5: Get him out of here.
Speaker 2: Cribs at night.
Speaker 5: If you if you hear a soft fart in your crib,
Speaker 5: know that it was us.
Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about video games? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 1: Oh god, she's got the hell. Yeah, God, God, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna start hurling. God, oh Mary, that's cool, that's
Speaker 1: so mean.
Speaker 5: Look at how gooey. There's a clear hole.
Speaker 2: So fucked up.
Speaker 1: It's discussing me and I didn't just hurl my insides
Speaker 1: out from Okay, we gotta stop.
Speaker 2: He's gonna puke.
Speaker 1: No, no, this is actually I can't tell this is
Speaker 1: funny or fucked up. Yeah, all right, let's come back.
Speaker 1: Let's go all right. If you're just joining on the yeah, alright, okay.
Speaker 2: We'd been back.
Speaker 1: If you're not watching the video version, Mary has donned
Speaker 1: the aforementioned macaroni sweatshirt. And it's even through these like cameras.
Speaker 1: It's real detailed. It's like they put a Night Seen
Speaker 1: twenty by ten eighty jpeg onto a hoodie. God, uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's and Dan's got a thing over his face
Speaker 1: because you can't look at this is kind of fucked up.
Speaker 2: That is I'm not kidding. That is making my stomach.
Speaker 1: It's really really delay.
Speaker 5: Do you need to change out of it?
Speaker 7: Dan?
Speaker 2: No, I'm a big boy. No, I'm a big boy.
Speaker 2: Make me sick.
Speaker 4: It is a gross sweater, like I think it really
Speaker 4: it's gone out of its way, Like how look how
Speaker 4: shiny they made all the cheese?
Speaker 3: Sure didn't they? I don't show us your pits, pitt
Speaker 3: macaroni and cheese. About to say macari heard me, but
Speaker 3: it's been attacking me for a year now.
Speaker 2: But they got nude.
Speaker 1: Beaches oh before Yeah, the French babes don't shave their pits.
Speaker 1: Line just made me, uh reminded me? Have I told
Speaker 1: you guys, we're watching through all the James Bond movies,
Speaker 1: like I got the Blu Ray collection finally.
Speaker 5: Why would that make you think of that?
Speaker 1: Uh? French babes, I don't know. All the women are
Speaker 1: just items like objects.
Speaker 5: That's just such a clear line from Home Alone and you're.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, I said that, and then you did a
Speaker 1: home Alone line. But then I heard about French babes
Speaker 1: not shaving the pits. It reminded me of all the
Speaker 1: women in bikinis and James Bond And I haven't told
Speaker 1: you we're rewatching these.
Speaker 2: Have you seen like the early all of them.
Speaker 3: I've only seen like the Brasen and like half the
Speaker 3: craig Ones. You got to stop doing that.
Speaker 2: Mary sucks.
Speaker 5: If wait with this, it looks like I'm putting my
Speaker 5: hand in in a noodle.
Speaker 1: That's okay, hear me out.
Speaker 5: That's how you get out of heaven.
Speaker 1: Bad for the camera probably, but anyway, I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we watched Doctor No and From Russia with Love. It's
Speaker 1: crazy how slow these movies were.
Speaker 3: That's why I struggled to go back because I was like,
Speaker 3: you know, I love Golden Eye on the Bras and
Speaker 3: Ones and st Up and I was like, oh, I've
Speaker 3: heard Connor is the best. And I saw like gold
Speaker 3: Finger and I was like, okay, I appreciate that, like
Speaker 3: oh that's where doctor Evil comes from or whatever, but
Speaker 3: like it wasn't like that was.
Speaker 2: Like Russia would love. Oh okay, well what about one?
Speaker 3: You could see a million like you know, references and
Speaker 3: Simpsons bits and stuff that came from these movies.
Speaker 2: But it's like I didn't find it like super exciting.
Speaker 1: You know, I always forget that Robert Shaw was the
Speaker 1: Russian the Specter assassin trained to kill him too, which
Speaker 1: is just funny seeing him when he's not Quint Jaws.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but uh yeah, we're rewatching them. It's like Doctor No.
Speaker 2: The first movie.
Speaker 1: Holy shit, it was slow, really, and then out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: someone gets burned alive and you watch the whole thing.
Speaker 1: It's it's a very weirdly paced series. And then of course,
Speaker 1: like even like Pierce Brasen era, they they upped the
Speaker 1: action a lot.
Speaker 2: They went from being these like.
Speaker 1: Merely these spy thrillers with some kind of shitty action
Speaker 1: sequences to all of a sudden, the most finely choreographed
Speaker 1: fight scenes in any movies ever with Daniel Craig. The
Speaker 1: Pierce Brosn't set pieces gets crazier and crazier, and then
Speaker 1: til he's fucking driving a Lamborghini through an ice palace.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in top of a car invisible car.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I thought it was a Lamborghini,
Speaker 1: but anyway, we're playing those.
Speaker 2: Speaking of.
Speaker 1: Old movies, I've been playing Indie in Indiana Jones and
Speaker 1: the Great.
Speaker 5: Show so nice.
Speaker 2: Yes, what do you think?
Speaker 1: I just got to Giza, the second big area. I
Speaker 1: like it a lot, However, I don't think I'm could
Speaker 1: finish it. It just made me want to re download
Speaker 1: all the Dishonored games.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 1: I love that Machine Games went this route and did
Speaker 1: not feel the need to just make a shooter. I
Speaker 1: have not fired my gun once and I'm in like
Speaker 1: a or seven hours in Because there's like the interstitial stuff.
Speaker 1: I think the moment to moment gameplay is pretty clunky,
Speaker 1: especially like some of the platforming stuff you're doing. It's
Speaker 1: not heavy platforming, but when you're going up certain ledges
Speaker 1: just doesn't feel great. I also think I love scouring
Speaker 1: the environment and the environmental storytelling. That's why I'm playing it,
Speaker 1: and the main story is actually has me pretty hooked.
Speaker 1: I think it's done a good job of that. But
Speaker 1: there's just something like after I've crouch walked through my
Speaker 1: for my sixth hour and I'm just bonking Nazis over
Speaker 1: the head with any number of items, which is fun.
Speaker 1: The novelty has worn off, sure, and it just made
Speaker 1: me want to play Dishonored, in which any within any
Speaker 1: given five minutes, I could warp to someone in like
Speaker 1: inhabit their body, go kill their friend, and then jump
Speaker 1: off a ledge as them, and then go back to
Speaker 1: my body. There's yeah, and it's it's unfair to just
Speaker 1: I'm not like outright comparing them, but obviously there's some
Speaker 1: immersive sim inspiration in Indy. I it has led me
Speaker 1: to replay Dishonored, and those games are still really fucking good.
Speaker 1: I'm playing the first one's definitive edition on PS five.
Speaker 1: I think it's a PS four game, but I'm playing
Speaker 1: it on PS five.
Speaker 3: I think it's just interesting that it even took that
Speaker 3: approach to it. I like, I think Indy is more
Speaker 3: interesting than it had any right to be, or that
Speaker 3: I think anybody could have recentably expected it to be.
Speaker 3: I do share some of the planes, Like, I think
Speaker 3: a lot of the strengths are in the presentation, the
Speaker 3: way they use the license, some of the exploration stuff,
Speaker 3: like really doing like Indiana doing shit throughout the game.
Speaker 3: But like, yeah, clunky is a good word for a
Speaker 3: lot of the stuff. And I'm with you on like
Speaker 3: you know, it is very fun to sneak up on
Speaker 3: these Nazis and just beat the shit out of them
Speaker 3: with a frying pan. But you do that like fifty
Speaker 3: sixty seventy times, you know. And I did get to
Speaker 3: a point where I think I stopped playing it. I
Speaker 3: think I'm done with it. It's still in my top
Speaker 3: ten of the year. I liked a lot, but I
Speaker 3: got to a point. Slight spoilers here, mostly gameplay or
Speaker 3: if anybody wants to mute or anything. Yeah, I got
Speaker 3: the point.
Speaker 1: Where it's like, yeah, I like, oh, yeah, we have
Speaker 1: people listening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yah, we're recording this. Yeah yeah, yeah. I saw
Speaker 3: that the game was like, you know, twelve fourteen hours long.
Speaker 3: It looks like I had like maybe two or three
Speaker 3: hours left in the game. And its basically this thing
Speaker 3: where it's like you take a boat up to a
Speaker 3: pyramid and you have to get inside the pyramid, and
Speaker 3: to do it, you have to like go underwater, and
Speaker 3: there's just a big ass snake, like a giant like anaconda,
Speaker 3: and you know, it's a go indie he hates yeah,
Speaker 3: and this is like the biggest snake you've ever seen,
Speaker 3: and it's like a I hate underwater sequences and I
Speaker 3: hate stealth sequences, and I hate especially hate stell sequences
Speaker 3: where it's like insta fail if you get caught, and
Speaker 3: so it's like it's all of these things doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it keeps.
Speaker 3: Going for a while because I was like, you know what,
Speaker 3: I'm enjoying this game. I've died like ten times through
Speaker 3: some horse shit here. I'll keep trying. I'll keep trying,
Speaker 3: and then it would just keep going and I'd be like,
Speaker 3: all right, I just got to get past this part.
Speaker 3: I'm sure I'll be on solid ground soon. I don't
Speaker 3: have to worry about this fucking snake And it's just
Speaker 3: like I probably died like twenty times, and it's just
Speaker 3: like you're just swimming through stuff. It's kind of hard
Speaker 3: to see things and keep track of where you're going,
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden you see this like
Speaker 3: red ring pop up Snakey Too makes the same music
Speaker 3: stinger every time back at the beginning. I just got
Speaker 3: to that point where it's like, you know what, I
Speaker 3: think I've seen what this game does. I think I
Speaker 3: appreciate it for what it does, and I can definitely
Speaker 3: speak to it. I've probably played eighty plus percent of
Speaker 3: the game. At this point, I think I'm good. So
Speaker 3: I did stop playing, and it's just like that sequence
Speaker 3: was rough for me. I did not enjoy that at all.
Speaker 3: But I also still have an overall, you know, very
Speaker 3: positive feeling about that game, but.
Speaker 4: Just didn't So you quit because of a snake, which
Speaker 4: is pretty sertificant in a twelve to fourteen hour game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I kind of was at the point
Speaker 3: anyway where I was ready to just kind of get
Speaker 3: to the end, you know, because it was like I
Speaker 3: was going on this pyramid. I was like, all right,
Speaker 3: there's just I can see what's gonna happen here. There's
Speaker 3: gonna be a bunch of puzzles and stuff, and I've
Speaker 3: done a ton of them in this game already. They're fine,
Speaker 3: you know, they're good. So I was ready to be
Speaker 3: done anyway. And I think just that being a very
Speaker 3: annoying sequence. If I was loving the game and I
Speaker 3: wanted to keep going forever, I wouldn't have let the
Speaker 3: sequence stop me. I would have pushed through it. But
Speaker 3: it's like, this is just great, I'm good, I'll move
Speaker 3: on to something else.
Speaker 1: Is that like the In terms of big areas, there's
Speaker 1: the Vatican there's Giza.
Speaker 3: What's after that, Oh, the the Himalayas, the like snowy area,
Speaker 3: which is that's a really cool area. It's not it's
Speaker 3: not like a super long open thing, but it's a
Speaker 3: it's a cool set piece area.
Speaker 1: And all back to the beginning of Raiders, he's in
Speaker 1: the mountains when he sees what's her name the bartender right.
Speaker 3: All right, right in the fire and all that stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like yeah, and then it's like, I'm going to
Speaker 3: say this perfectly pronunciated. It's like Suku Thai or something.
Speaker 3: I think it's I don't know if it's like Thailand
Speaker 3: or Shanghai or something. It's just like it's a jungle
Speaker 3: boat going around snakes. Sounds more like village kind of
Speaker 3: looks like, you know, like Pocalypse now when they get
Speaker 3: to those villages near the end. But yeah, just going
Speaker 3: down the river and then you get to a pyramid
Speaker 3: and stuff.
Speaker 5: So such a beautiful movie.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but yeah, great game. But I was I
Speaker 2: was ready to be done by the end.
Speaker 5: Okay, well, I mean good game pass game.
Speaker 1: Apparently it's a really good game pass game for sure.
Speaker 5: Pick the wrong month to quick game pass.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, yeah, there's other stuff real buck.
Speaker 3: Astro has a Christmas level that's out and it's it's
Speaker 3: pretty substantial. It utilizes Yeah, it's it's really cute. It's
Speaker 3: obviously just superfessedive and there's just some million little jingle
Speaker 3: bills and stuff that you can spin through and send
Speaker 3: flying everywhere. There's like seven new bots to get from
Speaker 3: different PlayStation games. There's like fifteen presents to find, and
Speaker 3: then you have access to all of the different like
Speaker 3: here's the frog box and gloves, here's the shrink power here,
Speaker 3: So like you can go around and utilize all that
Speaker 3: stuff in this one big like festive Wonderland level, big
Speaker 3: Christmas tree, that big jolly thing with a face, and
Speaker 3: it's it's everything you would want an Astro Christmas level
Speaker 3: to be. What playing Oh Gex and Kroc and Tamba
Speaker 3: GaX isn't in the base game? No, no X, Kroc, Tamba.
Speaker 3: I think there might be a hell Diver in there.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what is from Tamba.
Speaker 1: Oh, what's what's per rap of the Wrapper from?
Speaker 5: I thought you guys were just making up words.
Speaker 3: What's Donkey Kong from Mario? I guess technically Mario is
Speaker 3: from Donkey Kong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do I know more about Mario than Dan does?
Speaker 2: Yeah, rubbing her macaroni jpeg.
Speaker 1: Well that's fun.
Speaker 2: That's nice.
Speaker 1: Are they like, is there a roadmap out? Are they
Speaker 1: going to continue pushing stuff out DLC wise.
Speaker 2: For a while?
Speaker 3: I think the only thing they really announced early on
Speaker 3: was that they were going to do the speed run levels,
Speaker 3: and then I didn't know until I saw the team,
Speaker 3: the Temasobie team at the Game Awards and they told
Speaker 3: me like, by the way, there's Christmas level coming out,
Speaker 3: and I figure, like the next day or something, it
Speaker 3: was out. So I don't think they're announcing stuff like
Speaker 3: very far ahead of time, you know. Okay, I hope
Speaker 3: they do more. I mean, I just I want a
Speaker 3: sequel at this point. I very much want that. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll take anything I can get with that game.
Speaker 2: It's a fun game.
Speaker 4: It's great that they're continuing to update it too, especially
Speaker 4: from all the hype from winning Game of the Year
Speaker 4: and congrats to them for taking home.
Speaker 5: The big prize, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean, Game of the Year is still quite coveted,
Speaker 4: and it's cool to see a team that I think.
Speaker 5: I think it's a nice Cinderella story.
Speaker 4: Considering that as a team originally was like, we're playing
Speaker 4: with tech for the PlayStation, and we're just an internal
Speaker 4: team that wants to have fun with this sick ass controllers,
Speaker 4: So we're gonna have a lot of fun here. But
Speaker 4: they made a game that was so smooth and so
Speaker 4: polished and fun that it ended up being their gody.
Speaker 5: I just think that's great. It's so good for them.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: I think it's fantastic, And you know how I feel
Speaker 3: about that game, So to see any success or praise
Speaker 3: go its way, I love seeing so very I think.
Speaker 5: That's great, so good for them.
Speaker 4: I looked as forward to seeing what like the next
Speaker 4: thing they have in store, because I think maybe now
Speaker 4: that they've made a full fledged Astrobot with all the
Speaker 4: bells and whistles, will they branch out and make something.
Speaker 5: New is what I'd be interested in.
Speaker 3: I think what I want, and I think would probably
Speaker 3: be likely considering the success is an Astrobot sequel, And
Speaker 3: I think that since this was the big everything about
Speaker 3: this story and the way it ended and all the
Speaker 3: bots was so PlayStation nostallger centric, I would think that
Speaker 3: the sequel, you know, Okay, well, we've done the PlayStation,
Speaker 3: you know, Bonanza, Let's just have Astrobot to have his
Speaker 3: own adventure that's not necessarily as super tight, like maybe
Speaker 3: still flies around the controller stuff like that, but like
Speaker 3: maybe not collecting one hundred and seventy PlayStation characters or
Speaker 3: stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know. I'm interested in whatever they
Speaker 2: do next.
Speaker 1: I want it would be great to have an equivalent
Speaker 1: of Astrobot for like every major publisher. Nintendo does that
Speaker 1: stuff all the time, but like, yeah, it'd be cool
Speaker 1: to have like an Xbox thing. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's like, I mean, you got Halo, you got Gears,
Speaker 3: like a bunch of Forts of Cars. I mean, you
Speaker 3: can do the deep cuts and stuff. There's all the
Speaker 3: like originally Blood Wake and you know, Crimson Skies and stuff,
Speaker 3: but like it's not as like mascot heavy. I guess
Speaker 3: you could do like Abe's Odyssey and stuff. But yeah, yeah, yeah, because.
Speaker 1: They were always trying to go like more mature sort
Speaker 1: of from the beginning with their post racing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a master tat from day one, you.
Speaker 1: Know, just every place from Flight Simulator.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there with their little robot butts shaken yeah,
Speaker 4: they're trying to make them as cute as humanly possible,
Speaker 4: but it's just all like animatronic items.
Speaker 1: That Ox got cake.
Speaker 5: I've been playing Bollionaire. Have you heard of this game?
Speaker 2: I know if that was a ty no, I have not.
Speaker 2: I put it in all cats so that.
Speaker 5: It would be clear.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I found out about this because the developer who
Speaker 4: made Blatro tweeted that he was playing it and he
Speaker 4: was like, this is a great game, and I hope
Speaker 4: more people hear about it. And there was something about
Speaker 4: the trailer that I saw that I thought kind of
Speaker 4: had Bilatro type mechanics where you're building a deck per se.
Speaker 4: But Bollionaire is not a card game. It is a
Speaker 4: plinko game. I don't know if that's actually what you call.
Speaker 3: It, but where you drop the ball, but you're not
Speaker 3: like picking where you drop it. It always comes from
Speaker 3: the same center thing.
Speaker 4: The ball always hits the top of a triangle. And
Speaker 4: then your deck is all the different things you put
Speaker 4: in the triangle that your ball can hit, and if
Speaker 4: it hits it, you make money and you have to
Speaker 4: solve for how much money you make each round. I
Speaker 4: think you get five ball drops and the first round
Speaker 4: it's like, hey, you need to make five hundred dollars,
Speaker 4: and so every time you dink something, maybe you get
Speaker 4: five bucks, maybe you get twenty. Hopefully you can make
Speaker 4: something where it just keeps hitting the same clinker multiple times,
Speaker 4: and so you end up making like three or four
Speaker 4: hundred dollars off of one ball drop. But the amount
Speaker 4: that you have to make adds very quickly, and so
Speaker 4: by like the fourth or fifth round, you have to
Speaker 4: make one hundred thousand dollars. And so it's all about
Speaker 4: building your Plinko deck to make sure that the balls
Speaker 4: are hitting something that actually adds to the other things
Speaker 4: that you've added. And that sounds very complicated, So let
Speaker 4: me give you an example, because this is how I
Speaker 4: did it. I learned that each time you finish a ball,
Speaker 4: it lets you add another Plinko into your triangle.
Speaker 5: You get to pick something.
Speaker 4: So maybe it's a tree that every time you hit
Speaker 4: it it makes you money, but the tree gains currency
Speaker 4: each day.
Speaker 5: It grows like an actual tree.
Speaker 4: And so if you survive today twenty in this game,
Speaker 4: now it's now it's like worth hundreds of dollars every
Speaker 4: time you plink it there's other ones I think are
Speaker 4: really fascinating because they interact with other plinkos. So there's
Speaker 4: one that lets you every time if you touch it,
Speaker 4: it takes it with it. It like basically like it
Speaker 4: carries it on its back. And now you have an
Speaker 4: item with you. And if you touch another one while
Speaker 4: you're carrying the thing that you were carrying, sorry, it
Speaker 4: makes a second. It makes a second Plinko ball, So
Speaker 4: now you have multi ball. I know this sounds kind
Speaker 4: of weird, but it's all themed as it is silly looking,
Speaker 4: and I will say it's like rudimentary like in the
Speaker 4: UI and the design of the menu is like this,
Speaker 4: this was made by one person.
Speaker 5: This is like clearly like UI art, but it's it's fine.
Speaker 5: It gets the job done.
Speaker 4: What I enjoyed the most was finding commonalities between different plinkos.
Speaker 4: An example would be that I found that if you
Speaker 4: carry a cash register and then you hit an item
Speaker 4: while you were carrying a cash register, you release a coin,
Speaker 4: which is essentially another plinko, and the coins would make
Speaker 4: money if you could but get them at a piggy bank,
Speaker 4: and the piggy banks would accrew money over time, and
Speaker 4: so by the end of this game, and the reason
Speaker 4: I ended up winning this game was because I had
Speaker 4: so many goddamn coins in my piggy bank. My piggy
Speaker 4: banks were giving me twenty thousand dollars per round, and
Speaker 4: so I was rich as fuck because of these piggy banks.
Speaker 4: But took me like seven or eight goes at this
Speaker 4: game to discover all of these connections between the plinkos
Speaker 4: and actually and actually.
Speaker 5: Getting it done.
Speaker 3: I think that that I could tell that was going
Speaker 3: to be the case is that you have to like
Speaker 3: play it, you know, get through a few runs for
Speaker 3: to click, because like I was playing it on a
Speaker 3: plane and it was just you know, I'm playing.
Speaker 2: I just like turn my brain off.
Speaker 5: And sure it is a very turn off game, like
Speaker 5: you can just plank.
Speaker 3: Away once you learn it, because like when I was
Speaker 3: starting it on a plane, it was very much like,
Speaker 3: all right, the block of cheese does this and these
Speaker 3: if I hit it from underneath, this does this and
Speaker 3: stuff and everything like this seems cool, but I just
Speaker 3: don't want to think it all on this flight, and
Speaker 3: so I just love the Vampire Survivors.
Speaker 5: But that's funny.
Speaker 2: Curious to play more of Baillionaire, I did like the
Speaker 2: whole vibe of it.
Speaker 4: I encourage you to play it another round and like
Speaker 4: play around with the idea that like, uh, because it's
Speaker 4: a triangle and because the ball drops in the same
Speaker 4: spot each way, your's like my main hint, the very
Speaker 4: top of the triangle is your juice. If you put
Speaker 4: something there that your ball will now carry, you are guaranteed.
Speaker 5: To make multi ball. If that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Okay, you can game the system a little bit by saying, Hey,
Speaker 4: the top of my triangle is going to be a chicken,
Speaker 4: and every time you hit it, it's going to release eggs,
Speaker 4: and then the eggs will become food, and then the
Speaker 4: food will become my main income for that round. And
Speaker 4: it's I think it's fun. I do not think that
Speaker 4: this is of blatro status. The Bolotro dev tweeted it,
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh shit, If Bolotro loved it,
Speaker 4: this must be a fucking banger. I think it's a
Speaker 4: fun way to waste some time. I don't think this
Speaker 4: is an expensive game. You can tell this is a
Speaker 4: kind of single dev situation. But for people who are
Speaker 4: Plinko fans, if you are like, hey, I just kind
Speaker 4: of want to connect weird components in a Plinko machine.
Speaker 2: This is for you.
Speaker 4: I think this is a fun game to waste some
Speaker 4: time and play around with, but again rudimentary, especially the
Speaker 4: menu design. The text is weirdly small, and I found
Speaker 4: that I had to like look like an old grandma
Speaker 4: where I was like what does that say? And I
Speaker 4: was like kind of trying to zoom in on the game.
Speaker 4: But it was a delightful game that I played throughout
Speaker 4: my Game Awards prots. When I wasn't working or attending
Speaker 4: the Game wards. I played this in my hotel room.
Speaker 4: It took me about seven tries to beat it. I've
Speaker 4: played it about I've done about fifteen rounds, maybe twenty now,
Speaker 4: and I've I've beat it three times now that i've
Speaker 4: not I've solved how to make money. So yeah, I
Speaker 4: think it's fun. I actually think it was a cute game,
Speaker 4: but definitely a more simple experience.
Speaker 3: Kind of reminds me of like almost like that Peglin
Speaker 3: you know, where it's like, Okay, here's you know, we
Speaker 3: take a couple ideas from other games and it's kind
Speaker 3: of a low production thing, but it's you know, a fun.
Speaker 2: Hook to it.
Speaker 4: It's a good like a good indie dev situation where
Speaker 4: you're like, this is a good concept, and I can
Speaker 4: see why it has legs.
Speaker 5: Is everything are all the bells and whistles?
Speaker 1: There?
Speaker 5: No, But you can understand the game, and I think
Speaker 5: you can have fun with it.
Speaker 4: And I absolutely agree with you because I was one
Speaker 4: hundred percent hooked on Peglin. I think Peglin is a
Speaker 4: fantastic I think Peglin is better than this game in
Speaker 4: the sense that it's got like those RPG mechanics and you're.
Speaker 5: Like growing your character over time.
Speaker 4: Like I'm a huge Peglin advocate, but I think Ballionaire
Speaker 4: is just an easy way to like spend an hour
Speaker 4: and play around with these building mechanics. If you have
Speaker 4: the right things together, crazy shit happens, and it's fun
Speaker 4: to watch balls drop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh right and timely.
Speaker 5: That's right. I've got the perfect New Year game.
Speaker 3: It's a Ballionaire to everyone do that at midnight and years,
Speaker 3: I'm canceling the party.
Speaker 5: Ball drop your balls all at the same time.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: I don't have a I've been playing a lot more metaphor,
Speaker 1: I don't have a ton more to say that I
Speaker 1: didn't during our Game of Year episode. Uh my my uh,
Speaker 1: criticis not criticism, my praise for how often it shakes
Speaker 1: up its own structure and pacing that stands. In fact,
Speaker 1: I honestly think this game like raises the bar pretty
Speaker 1: substantially for like long form Japanese role playing games.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: It's every big dungeon I get to, it's like a
Speaker 1: whole new like consideration and prep that I have to do.
Speaker 1: And then I'm also just really enjoying the more archetypes
Speaker 1: classes I on lock. Combining all those it's a it's
Speaker 1: a great game. I still am liking it a lot.
Speaker 5: I'm glad, and then I'm still liking it. How far
Speaker 5: in it are you? Just for context, because it's not a.
Speaker 1: S game, No, I want to say, I don't know
Speaker 1: that our count it's got to be at least fifty.
Speaker 1: I'm fourth major Dune, fifth major dungeon Palace whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call them dungeon. So I'm far in and
Speaker 1: I've got you know, I've got you know, more party
Speaker 1: members than I can put in one party. But it's
Speaker 1: a yeah, enjoying it quite a bit.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then only other thing I have played Warhammer Three's
Speaker 1: newest dlc omens of destruction and it's fun. They they
Speaker 1: reworked some factions. I won't go into super detail. Oh
Speaker 1: I thought, Dan left to go it rose for a
Speaker 1: second puke or something?
Speaker 5: Is this about the mac and cheese?
Speaker 2: No, I'm gonna turn off Mary's camera here soon.
Speaker 1: Yep. But yeah, No, Warhammer Three's good streak of DLC
Speaker 1: is ongoing after that clusterfuck. That was a shadows of
Speaker 1: change about a year and a half ago. Dan, you've
Speaker 1: been playing Marvel Rivals, which is surprising.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean I normally wouldn't have Well, right,
Speaker 2: I had the same thought. No, we did it for
Speaker 2: a stream.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: That's a great thing about I've heard good things to
Speaker 1: be clear.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I have to.
Speaker 5: But I just it's not a this podcast game, right, It's.
Speaker 3: Part of what's fun about, you know, working in like
Speaker 3: Giant Bomb for a living, because like I might get
Speaker 3: exposed to stuff I would never seek out myself. And
Speaker 3: it's like we decided to do a stream of it,
Speaker 3: like a big multiplayer one, like sure, all I'll hop
Speaker 3: in and skeptical at first because like I'm not even
Speaker 3: a huge like Overwatch guy, Like I liked it for
Speaker 3: like fifty hours when it first came out, but I
Speaker 3: haven't really thought about hero shooters since then, and I
Speaker 3: don't give a fuck about Marvel, So it's like this
Speaker 3: doesn't sound like something for me at all. And it's
Speaker 3: not like I'm gonna go nuts and play this like
Speaker 3: I play cod all the time or anything, But like,
Speaker 3: I really did appreciate what it's doing. I think there
Speaker 3: were a lot of like really fun powers that all
Speaker 3: the different characters had, and it made me realize that, Like,
Speaker 3: it made me think a lot about hero shooters in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four going into twenty twenty five, because obviously
Speaker 3: with Concord this year being that big story and the
Speaker 3: failure there and a lot of what you heard was like, oh.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, hero shooters.
Speaker 3: This was started developing when hero shooters were supposed to
Speaker 3: be the next big thing, and now it's just there's
Speaker 3: not that appetite for it. But that failed and people
Speaker 3: are really liking Marvel Rivals. So is it maybe just that, like, Okay,
Speaker 3: they made a good one of these. It's free to
Speaker 3: play and has a bunch of recognizable ip with Marvel,
Speaker 3: like they just kind of did it right, Whereas Concord
Speaker 3: was like a new ip no one knew, and then
Speaker 3: they like charged for it. So maybe it was just
Speaker 3: it's not that people won't give a hero shooter a
Speaker 3: shot nowadays, it's that just the whole launch of that
Speaker 3: was bungled. You know, the whole marketing was very bad
Speaker 3: of that game. So yeah, con Card did not have
Speaker 3: much of an identity.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 3: It's like Marvel Rivals, No, Marvel Overwatch, Like that's an
Speaker 3: easy sell and then it's free to play. You can
Speaker 3: picture a lot of people it's been like, yeah, I'll
Speaker 3: give it a shot, whereas like Concord's like, here's this
Speaker 3: thing you've never really heard of and you don't know
Speaker 3: what it is or how it stands out.
Speaker 2: Also give us forty dollars to try it. It's like,
Speaker 2: that's such a harder cell.
Speaker 4: It's ampossible sell when Overwatch is there. And I think, like, ultimately,
Speaker 4: I actually think Overwatch is the bigger killer because Overwatch
Speaker 4: people have had lots of time to hear about it
Speaker 4: and learn about it, and it's free.
Speaker 5: So how are you comp You can't compete?
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And yeah, I guess I was just surprised
Speaker 3: by how much fun I had with it, you know,
Speaker 3: finding your character where it's gonna You start with like
Speaker 3: punish crews, a very simple just kind of like shooting
Speaker 3: like Soldier seventy six type guy, and then I saw,
Speaker 3: you know, I would fight like some Iron Man on
Speaker 3: the other team and see them flying around shooting lasers
Speaker 3: and stuff, and it's like, oh, that looks fun.
Speaker 2: I realized I was really good with Ironman. So it's okay.
Speaker 2: I think I found my guy.
Speaker 3: That's really fun. But again, probably not gonna, you know,
Speaker 3: put fifty one hundred hours into it. But you know,
Speaker 3: if we did another stream on Giant Blomb or something,
Speaker 3: I would happily jump in and not be skeptical because
Speaker 3: it turns out it's actually quite fun.
Speaker 5: I feel like everybody's sharing the Shark guy. I don't
Speaker 5: know who that is.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the deal with that dude is.
Speaker 5: Everybody likes that shark guy or likes to hate that
Speaker 5: shark guy.
Speaker 3: I don't know's I see him in a lot of matches.
Speaker 3: Nicky Grayson was the shark on our team and ate
Speaker 3: me and Minati and barfed us off of a cliff
Speaker 3: and killed us accidentally.
Speaker 2: So that's cool.
Speaker 5: It can do that pretty that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, barfed you up like back and cheese.
Speaker 5: When I play uh.
Speaker 4: When when I play Yoshi Uh in the competitive I
Speaker 4: always try and swallow people and poop them out over
Speaker 4: the ledge as an egg.
Speaker 2: It's a classic yep, yep.
Speaker 5: It's my only move. So once they find out that
Speaker 5: that's my move and I'm I'm in deep shit.
Speaker 3: Mine is DKA and I grabbed them and I just
Speaker 3: like walk off the edge and I just like drag
Speaker 3: them to their doom along with me.
Speaker 5: Maybe I'm a shark girl too. Then I just like
Speaker 5: to I usually learn one.
Speaker 4: Move and then I say, once you guys figure me out,
Speaker 4: there's a short chess match.
Speaker 2: I have one move. It's kind of your thing, so
Speaker 2: we better get used to it. Yeah, no, thumbs up,
Speaker 2: it's good.
Speaker 1: I'm glad Mary you're playing Rocket League again. And hell
Speaker 1: Divers too, well, you probably never stopped, but you wrote
Speaker 1: them down this time, so it must be substantial.
Speaker 5: They're connected.
Speaker 4: So when Game Awards happened, Hell Divers had an update
Speaker 4: and the update was a new faction, which we've been
Speaker 4: waiting for for a long time.
Speaker 5: There's a bit of a war that is important.
Speaker 4: Yes, so they've been teasing this for a while, but
Speaker 4: I think there already was an alien, so there's essentially
Speaker 4: like there's bugs and robots, and then they would keep
Speaker 4: teasing that something else was coming. Yes, laser stuff there
Speaker 4: was like and it just kind of we never heard
Speaker 4: anything for such a long time that I think it
Speaker 4: kind of the the tension dissipated. It was just like whatever,
Speaker 4: like release it or don't. Guys, like we're sick of
Speaker 4: these laser conversations. Like there's only so much you can
Speaker 4: build on Reddit about this. So I think I ended
Speaker 4: up kind of fading off a little bit. But the
Speaker 4: Game Awards they revealed the new faction, which is sure aliens,
Speaker 4: but like, let's be real, it's zombies, Like it's people
Speaker 4: that are in a zombie state. Yeah, it's strange. And
Speaker 4: the update was like out now, to which everyone freaks out.
Speaker 4: I'm like, fuck, I'm mean I f yeah. I left
Speaker 4: immediately from the Game Awards early and played this with
Speaker 4: my buds. It was a wonderful resurgence of having an
Speaker 4: excuse to play hell Divers with with people again and
Speaker 4: play zombie mode. It is very different than the other
Speaker 4: modes because zombies take in my opinion, a little bit
Speaker 4: more bullets to put down, and they're fast, so you
Speaker 4: have to constantly be running backwards while you're.
Speaker 5: Doing zombie mode.
Speaker 4: I think that you have to kind of almost a
Speaker 4: completely different setup because I in bug mode. I would
Speaker 4: really like fire breaker, incendiary or something that basically lights
Speaker 4: them on fire.
Speaker 5: But because zombies have that extra bit of life, they.
Speaker 4: Essentially just run at you on fire, and that they
Speaker 4: can light you on fire, so fires and is effective.
Speaker 4: The best is just heavy bullet damage type guns or
Speaker 4: something that would even do knock back so that you
Speaker 4: can give yourself a little bit more space.
Speaker 5: So I had to completely change up what my build was.
Speaker 4: I essentially put everything into light armor that let me
Speaker 4: run because you need to be able to be very fluid.
Speaker 2: I use a.
Speaker 4: Jetpack again because it's really fun to jet pack overboards
Speaker 4: of zombies that are chasing after you.
Speaker 5: It's fun, you, guys, like I'm back in the hell.
Speaker 5: Divers is a great fucking game.
Speaker 4: It is, absolutely, It's just really kind of reinvigorated my
Speaker 4: love of playing games with other people and taking out
Speaker 4: hordes of mass people, and I've been adoring it. We
Speaker 4: played it until I don't know, like maybe like one
Speaker 4: or two in the morning. As soon as I got
Speaker 4: back and everyone was like, oh, it's going for.
Speaker 1: Me to go to bed.
Speaker 5: And everyone was like, okay, I'm going to bed, and
Speaker 5: I kind of just hung out for a second as
Speaker 5: I was like getting ready to sign off, and uh,
Speaker 5: Peter Brown was like, you want to play Rocket League?
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, you son of a bitch.
Speaker 5: And at like one thirty in.
Speaker 4: The morning, Peter and I booted up rocket League and
Speaker 4: I played Rocket League for the first time in I
Speaker 4: mean at least two years. And we played Rocket League
Speaker 4: until four in the morning and I had I had
Speaker 4: the best fucking time you guys, and we just kept
Speaker 4: we just kept playing. At first, I was pretty shitty.
Speaker 4: I forgot like you have to it's like riding a
Speaker 4: bike like I was like, I think I remember. But
Speaker 4: I couldn't fly, I couldn't defend very well. I wasn't
Speaker 4: very good at like being goalie. And then after about
Speaker 4: after about an hour and a half, I was fucking great.
Speaker 5: I was killing it. We were winning all of our matches.
Speaker 5: And then right around four am, I started getting really bad.
Speaker 2: That happens.
Speaker 5: I had hit my peak.
Speaker 4: But what a fantastic experience to be able to play
Speaker 4: Hell Divers and Rocket League again, which I actually think
Speaker 4: are similar.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: They are all about teamwork and hanging out with your
Speaker 4: buds and then just taking out the other team if
Speaker 4: you can, but win or lose you were having a
Speaker 4: good time. But they both allow for these moments of
Speaker 4: absolute grandeur where like I am the reason that we won,
Speaker 4: I personally saved the day. It will make you feel
Speaker 4: like main character energy you are the hero in these games,
Speaker 4: and I think that's why they both are such excellent
Speaker 4: co op experiences. So playing them both in a night
Speaker 4: was very meaningful to me, and I just had a blast.
Speaker 4: We like, we've started a schedule to start doing them
Speaker 4: again weekly and it's just it's great.
Speaker 5: So I'm back in on both. I think they're both
Speaker 5: great games, but Hell Divers too.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 4: I think they removed the zombie faction, but they just
Speaker 4: brought it back, so I believe you can.
Speaker 5: Play it right now.
Speaker 1: Nice gonna go back at some point when my brother
Speaker 1: is overseas at the moment, but he was the one
Speaker 1: I was playing with most, so when he gets back
Speaker 1: and we're probably gonna dive in and no pun intended, and.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm still down to play it if you guys
Speaker 5: want to play it.
Speaker 4: It's just a it's it's it's gody for me, Like,
Speaker 4: it's just such a tremendous accomplishment of like every game,
Speaker 4: I'm like, this is a movie and I might die,
Speaker 4: and sometimes I do and sometimes I'm the greatest that
Speaker 4: ever lived.
Speaker 5: It's great.
Speaker 1: Dan, What's Castlevania? Dominus collection?
Speaker 5: Keep doing this every time you even do game, I'm like,
Speaker 5: what the fuck is this?
Speaker 1: What are you talking to? Cassovnia Collection, Dominatrix Collection, Dominatrix,
Speaker 1: What's Dominans.
Speaker 2: He's getting to it.
Speaker 4: It is the.
Speaker 2: It's the something.
Speaker 3: Cavana Lore, Yeah, donov It's Portrait of Ruin and Order
Speaker 3: of Ecclesia. And the reason that this is so cool,
Speaker 3: Like I love that the GBA Collection came out, you know,
Speaker 3: a year or two ago, because those are great games.
Speaker 3: But those are easy to play on a million different things.
Speaker 3: You know, they're GBA games. They're not complicated, whereas like
Speaker 3: DS three DS games. You can emulate those for sure,
Speaker 3: you know, WEU games. It just takes a little bit
Speaker 3: more because there's touch screen controls and you have to
Speaker 3: do a lot of configuring, and it's just like it's
Speaker 3: more of a pain in the ass. So to have
Speaker 3: these all on like a one screen standard consoles with
Speaker 3: like workarounds for you know, there's not a ton of
Speaker 3: touch based stuff in these DS games, just enough to
Speaker 3: make them a pain in the ass to emulate. So
Speaker 3: they just really streamlined a lot of that stuff so
Speaker 3: you're not having to like draw all these seals, you know,
Speaker 3: when you need to break these blocks and stuff, there's
Speaker 3: just ways to do it without having a fuck around
Speaker 3: with too much.
Speaker 5: There is quality of life improvements.
Speaker 3: Totally, and you can do the rewind stuff, a lot
Speaker 3: of like emulation type stuff. You just want to make
Speaker 3: life easier for you. But then there's just stuff that
Speaker 3: I didn't even think about where it's like, oh shit,
Speaker 3: these are four by three games, so you have this
Speaker 3: screen real estate they're putting like the map and enemy
Speaker 3: information and stuff over on the right. So like to
Speaker 3: play a castle a Metroid VNEA game where you are
Speaker 3: live seeing the map is so nice because you pit select.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a game changer.
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, I didn't even think about that. It's like
Speaker 3: that's fucking great, And like if I go to attack
Speaker 3: like oh, this acts Night or something. It'll tell me
Speaker 3: like all what it's weaknesses and strengths down there, so
Speaker 3: like no on the fly, like oh, let me switch
Speaker 3: to this Soul or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's.
Speaker 3: So it's just a really fantastic way to revisit these
Speaker 3: games that I've wanted to replay for a long time.
Speaker 3: I just didn't want to fuck with the touch control stuff.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm playing Down to Sorrow right now. That's
Speaker 3: kind of the follow up to Ario Sorrow, which I
Speaker 3: think is the best GBA one. It's just been awesome
Speaker 3: and this is a great way to play it. So yeah,
Speaker 3: great Steam Deck, great on switch h those if you
Speaker 3: like Simpthony the Night, or just Metrodvenias in general, these
Speaker 3: are just some of the best ones and now you
Speaker 3: can play them very easily.
Speaker 5: That's great.
Speaker 2: Steam It's great.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at the Steam page and it came out
Speaker 4: in August and it's got overwhelmingly positive reviews, so people
Speaker 4: like have obviously been playing it, but I'd never even
Speaker 4: heard of this new release, so that's very cool.
Speaker 3: Oh it's it's good as hell, and it's it's one
Speaker 3: of those Castlevanians at least Donna Saura that I'm playing,
Speaker 3: where it's like your weapons and stuff, or as you
Speaker 3: kill enemies, you know, there's drop rates of like their soul.
Speaker 3: So if you kill a bat, there's a good chance
Speaker 3: you are going to get its soul, which you can
Speaker 3: map to a button and then some in a bat.
Speaker 3: Or if you get like a spear, the guy that
Speaker 3: throws spears, Skelton throws spears, you kill it, you get
Speaker 3: it sol, and I'll just map that soul to this
Speaker 3: button and then I'm throwing I'm spin a spear around.
Speaker 5: So it's like Echoes of the Kingdom.
Speaker 3: More about like enemy abilities than it is like inanimate objects.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you can echo an enemy well right.
Speaker 3: There are some that are like familiars like the bat
Speaker 3: that will follow you around, but a lot of them
Speaker 3: are just like you will take that weapon or you know,
Speaker 3: that guy through an axe, so now I'm throwing an
Speaker 3: axe that type of stuff. And then there's passive souls
Speaker 3: where it's like, oh, this just increases my strength or whatever.
Speaker 3: So you can really kind of set your soul set
Speaker 3: you can. You know, there's just a lot of fun
Speaker 3: if you can do instead of just I've got my
Speaker 3: sword and what I just.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just a battle of attrition. You can actually
Speaker 4: like have some strategy to it and mimic it. I
Speaker 4: also love the real estate.
Speaker 5: I remember when Zelda wind Waker came out on the
Speaker 5: Wii you and what a game changer it was to
Speaker 5: have a secondary screen for the map. This reminds me
Speaker 5: a lot of that, where it's just like this is
Speaker 5: the way I wish it always was, right, I just
Speaker 5: this is the definitive version.
Speaker 4: I will no longer think about the other version. This
Speaker 4: is the better way to play the game. Would you
Speaker 4: say this is like the definitive version, like you wouldn't
Speaker 4: go back and play the original?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's they were great portable games, and like,
Speaker 3: you know, the DS did have those two screens, so
Speaker 3: you did have you know, that same like wind Waker
Speaker 3: type thing like oh, I've got the map in my
Speaker 3: items and stuff down here, and I've got the gameplay
Speaker 3: screen up here, so like it did have that. But
Speaker 3: there's just something about like I love that sprite art
Speaker 3: and everything, and it's nice to be like a big
Speaker 3: o led steam deck screen or a switch like instead
Speaker 3: of just you know, the DS was great at the time,
Speaker 3: but like it looks and it looks.
Speaker 2: Better on a big screen.
Speaker 5: Did they update the graphics?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm just saying it's just like the
Speaker 3: art is really great and I'd like to see it
Speaker 3: on a backlit olid you know, Steam deck screen, then
Speaker 3: a little DS.
Speaker 2: Screen you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, yeah, bigger.
Speaker 2: Yep, killer killer games great? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What about Duck Detective?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 8: What is this?
Speaker 2: I started that? Mary? Was you that told me about this?
Speaker 1: I did?
Speaker 4: I played that on an earlier episode and talked about it.
Speaker 4: It's a lot like, uh, what's that other game? Dork's
Speaker 4: like Golden Idol.
Speaker 1: It's like you did to talk about this, I remember now.
Speaker 4: My My joke was like Golden Idol is like this
Speaker 4: person has been murdered and you're like solving it, and
Speaker 4: Duck Detective is like.
Speaker 5: Where's my salami? Somebody's been stealing the salami.
Speaker 3: So you're solving someone who can celebrate this receptionist birthday
Speaker 3: and so she yeah, this draft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a couple.
Speaker 3: Like I beat Rise the Golden Idol and I really
Speaker 3: enjoyed it, and I just like that style of gameplay.
Speaker 5: It's like that for dummies, little easier.
Speaker 3: Because the question is by the end of Rise, the
Speaker 3: Golden Nidol is like, oh man, that's so blanks. I
Speaker 3: gotta figure out. And so the idea of just like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm a little duck detective, it's like divorced duck walking
Speaker 3: around trying to figure out why a giraffe.
Speaker 5: Duck Detective was a little too long. I think it
Speaker 5: should have been Dutective. I think they fucked up. I know,
Speaker 5: I know, but they didn't call it duck Detective. They
Speaker 5: call it duck Detective, Divorce duck Detective.
Speaker 3: It's just it's cute, it's got good voice acting and stuff,
Speaker 3: and it is just like you're right, it is like
Speaker 3: Golden Idle Junior, you know, with a totally different type
Speaker 3: of tone. And yeah, I just I was ready for
Speaker 3: more of that style of game. And it's a simple one,
Speaker 3: but I've really been enjoying it. They have like a
Speaker 3: noir sound track. Yeah, it's very kind of noir. It's
Speaker 3: like the whole thing is just like this gruff you know,
Speaker 3: like Duck that he's broke, you know, you can't afford
Speaker 3: rant and stuff, and he's doing these kind of shady
Speaker 3: jobs and it's it's a goofy story, but I like it.
Speaker 1: It looks like it's charming characters, stickers, yeah, yeah, there, yeah, And.
Speaker 5: The story is silly, but it is engaging.
Speaker 4: I don't know how to describe it, like, sure the
Speaker 4: stakes are low, but you are I was interested to
Speaker 4: figure out who was the bandit. I wanted to know,
Speaker 4: and it's very similar mechanically, where it's like Blank was
Speaker 4: the blank stealer and he used blank to get to
Speaker 4: the blank, and so you still have to figure it out.
Speaker 4: It's finding words in the scene and then putting them
Speaker 4: in the right order. I still got actually stuck a
Speaker 4: couple times towards the end of Duck Detective, which is
Speaker 4: sad because I was just saying it's like the child
Speaker 4: version of Golden Idol. But I still ended up getting
Speaker 4: kind of stuck on Duck Detective at some point and
Speaker 4: was like, I.
Speaker 5: Don't know, I don't care. But it's the same problem
Speaker 5: I have with Golden Idol, which is I've solved it.
Speaker 5: I know what it's saying. I just couldn't put the
Speaker 5: words in the right fucking order.
Speaker 4: It's like, at some point it's semantics, and I get
Speaker 4: really frustrated with games that are essentially like oh well,
Speaker 4: it's not a purple hoodie.
Speaker 5: It was great. It's like, bitch, he's dead, Like, yeah,
Speaker 5: can we just say I solved the crime?
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. Yeah. Yeah. It's a frustrating.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, it's annoying when you know you understand the
Speaker 1: entire situation, but the game is just kind of like, no,
Speaker 1: but you need to play by our rules and get
Speaker 1: this exactly correct. That gets a bit frustrating. Yeah, are
Speaker 1: you liking Silent Hill too or you were liking Silent
Speaker 1: Hill too? Fair amount, but it was characters that were
Speaker 1: annoying you. Mary that so annoying she was she.
Speaker 5: Took a nap.
Speaker 4: I have a really short update because I've been playing
Speaker 4: this once a week, so I you know, I'm still
Speaker 4: playing it. She has been taking a nap for the
Speaker 4: last three hours, which is great, so I haven't had
Speaker 4: to deal with her. I got to a very wonderful
Speaker 4: part in the original Silent Hill too, where you go
Speaker 4: down this essentially like terrifyingly long staircase, and I got
Speaker 4: to that part in the new one. So anyone who's
Speaker 4: played Silent Hill two or remembers, there's just kind of
Speaker 4: this iconically long staircase that is obvious inspired by a
Speaker 4: lot of devs to say like, hey, you're fucking going
Speaker 4: down to hell, like that is what's happening here. You
Speaker 4: are going down town and this will be the thing
Speaker 4: that puts you into hell. And it's just ungodly long.
Speaker 4: The remake is it puts a lot of love into
Speaker 4: that scene to make sure you still feel like you
Speaker 4: understand what's happening, which is you are in the longest
Speaker 4: staircase and it is about to get fucked and it
Speaker 4: is ungodly frightening. The further I've gotten in it, the
Speaker 4: more I've personally felt that Silent Hill Too should have
Speaker 4: won the Game of the Year for audio design. I
Speaker 4: think it is one of the best designed audio games
Speaker 4: of recent years. And I just think a lot of
Speaker 4: times horror games do not get their due for winning
Speaker 4: awards because they're kind of written off, like yah, it's
Speaker 4: a remake. It's like a beloved horror movie, but like whatever,
Speaker 4: this is unbelievable what they were able to accomplish with
Speaker 4: the audio. Even the backing tracks have breathing in them,
Speaker 4: so you always feel like someone could be in the room.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 4: It is just a constant up like fear even as
Speaker 4: you're like solving a puzzle, which means you should be
Speaker 4: good for a little bit, they are putting like and
Speaker 4: weird noises throughout the entire track, going back and forth
Speaker 4: underneath tunnels and stuff like that. You never feel safe
Speaker 4: in this game. It is just it is a triumph
Speaker 4: of how how frightening it will make you feel. I'm
Speaker 4: in the jail right now, and it is.
Speaker 5: Oh, what a horrible, horrible area to put put a
Speaker 5: player in.
Speaker 4: I think it's the scariest game of the year, and
Speaker 4: so an absolute triumph of scaring the shit out of me.
Speaker 5: And I fully recommended.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say I forgot what one audio,
Speaker 1: but it was hell made.
Speaker 4: It was yeah, And I'm not saying like that didn't
Speaker 4: deserve it. I didn't really hear that game too much.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, show on this game every episode, and
Speaker 1: my god, stop kicking it while it's done.
Speaker 5: Who cares.
Speaker 4: I just think, like horror games don't often get their
Speaker 4: do That's what I think I'm ultimately saying is like
Speaker 4: a lot of times I feel the same way with
Speaker 4: Resident Evil is like it usually gets nominated, but it
Speaker 4: does not win because like they're like sure you deserve
Speaker 4: a nomination, like it's such a good game, but we're
Speaker 4: obviously going to give it to this, uh you know,
Speaker 4: RPG shooter with horny characters, and it's like, come on,
Speaker 4: like these horror games are there, all the rest of them?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, just the a Malcolm of all of them.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, that's I've just been playing Warhammer and metaphor
Speaker 1: long games.
Speaker 5: Those are long games. Yeah, they take you forever. I've
Speaker 5: been playing Silent Hill for like six weeks now.
Speaker 4: Every time every time we do our game list, I'm
Speaker 4: always like, I put Silent Hill on there because I'm
Speaker 4: still playing it.
Speaker 1: But I have to be getting any Caravella update. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of those where he was you know, journal
Speaker 1: entry updates from his long form games. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: you wanted you to emails, okay, as usually you can
Speaker 1: ride into Firescape past at gmail dot com with questions, comments, concerns,
Speaker 1: stuff you want us to read on potentially the next episode.
Speaker 1: We got a bunch since last episode, at which point
Speaker 1: we said send him in to get us through into
Speaker 1: the next few episodes. And I think we have enough
Speaker 1: now to lost us all of twenty twenty five. But
Speaker 1: that's great. Yeah, people, people got a lot in kick
Speaker 1: things off with this one from Joseph Dan. Do you
Speaker 1: want to read this first one?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: What things in real life do you think are most
Speaker 3: like Charmander? I can't see there's a thing, okay, charme
Speaker 3: Leon and Charizard. I can think of a duck, a goose,
Speaker 3: and a swan, or maybe Dave Franco, James Franco and
Speaker 3: Jared Leto. It doesn't have to just be living things though.
Speaker 3: I'm interested in all forms of three stage evolution. So wait,
Speaker 3: so I don't even know anything about It's just like
Speaker 3: an evolution. Charland is the most basic and then Charmila
Speaker 3: is the middle one.
Speaker 5: So like so an upgrade and then second upgrade.
Speaker 1: I think an appropriate one for this is do candy bars,
Speaker 1: because we've argued about this before. Like to me, Armander
Speaker 1: would be three musketeers. All it is, it's just new Gat,
Speaker 1: and then after that would.
Speaker 2: Be milky Way.
Speaker 1: You got.
Speaker 2: What is it new gat? I got a new gap.
Speaker 1: It would be three musketeers, and then Charmeleon would be
Speaker 1: is it milky Way just adds the caramel?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: And then it would be third one. Okay, it gets it?
Speaker 2: Gets good, aren't good.
Speaker 1: They're good, They're like, okay, fire escape, who's Charmander? It
Speaker 1: depends on the criteria.
Speaker 4: I take offense that Joseph said that Jared Letto was
Speaker 4: the final emotion because is a little but good?
Speaker 2: Doesn't that kind of suck to like it? So that.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be good, It doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be improving it like what is the most what is
Speaker 1: the most of the series, the most X of this series?
Speaker 1: And if it's douchebag, then Jared Letto would definitely be
Speaker 1: chars are right right, right right?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, that's true. It's like the final evolution of
Speaker 5: being a villain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the guy could see, like, yeah, for us three,
Speaker 1: you're the final form. I didn't say. I didn't say
Speaker 1: that just such I put together.
Speaker 2: We're too different to be evolutions of each other. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but like it's more fun if we did it anyway,
Speaker 2: I like, and if we're.
Speaker 4: Going from like you know, but the most basic it
Speaker 4: was evolution, it would be me Dan, Mike, what I'm
Speaker 4: not the charis of sickos?
Speaker 2: You are a what what makes me a sicko?
Speaker 5: All of the horny jokes, the.
Speaker 3: Dans one who pooped his pants, the other days, isn't horny?
Speaker 5: That's true horny.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I love that you connected those though.
Speaker 5: He's the one who poops his pants all the time.
Speaker 4: If anyone should be horniest, it's dand because he's always
Speaker 4: as hell.
Speaker 1: Did you guys have pants every time you get horny?
Speaker 1: I rest my case your That's why I can't go
Speaker 1: to strip clubs that just ship my pants right away,
Speaker 1: turn and leave. Yep, that's where I stink up the joint.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like what would be I know?
Speaker 1: Everyone advance, I'm ready, I know, but I like it
Speaker 1: more when you don't, because then we stumble on it
Speaker 1: that I could switch.
Speaker 4: My head with a bird and then fly. This is
Speaker 4: what happens when we don't read these in advance, I know.
Speaker 1: And that's why that's where you get the best you
Speaker 1: get the best material from. I'm trying to think, like,
Speaker 1: what would what would the the evolution, the three stage
Speaker 1: evolution be for fast food and the criteria the final one?
Speaker 2: I think?
Speaker 3: And so I think, what's like a couple of shittier McDonald's,
Speaker 3: like curls. I don't really have a lot of curls Arby's.
Speaker 3: Arby's is good, though they were all kind of thing.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I got one.
Speaker 1: I got when I got on, I got one. Do
Speaker 1: do do the chicken spots?
Speaker 3: Do Popeyes? Chick fil A and KFC? Uh, it's got
Speaker 3: to be Charie Ard right well whatever the smallest one
Speaker 3: is would be KFC, which I still love it. Think
Speaker 3: that would be pop and then Chick fil A and
Speaker 3: then Popeyes? Yeah yeah, ultimate, Yeah, it checks out. What
Speaker 3: about SODA's? Oh, it's like r C Cola would be
Speaker 3: the first one, and then Pepsi and then coke.
Speaker 1: Now the creative juice? Do do cheesy pasta dishes?
Speaker 2: I refuse. He's a man of principles. Yeah, yam, the
Speaker 2: final farm.
Speaker 1: I've if we were doing the the Italian dishes at
Speaker 1: that place we went, I think that what was it
Speaker 1: the pumpkin the dual Tortellini's that would have been chars
Speaker 1: Ard was dual.
Speaker 2: Ravioli's the dope.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, that was really good for for those who
Speaker 1: are wondering what the fuck I'm talking about, because it's
Speaker 1: has I did not contextualize it whatsoever. We went to
Speaker 1: a place that Dan recommended, and there was this one
Speaker 1: dish that wasa yeah two like vertical Raviolis that are
Speaker 1: still connected to each other. And then in one it
Speaker 1: was like a pumpkin filling and the other was like
Speaker 1: a cream cheese.
Speaker 4: But together they combined, which is exactly what this is
Speaker 4: meant to make us think about. I would also say
Speaker 4: dan is not strong enough that mac and cheese maybe
Speaker 4: like blue Box is probably like the original form. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think when you get to like.
Speaker 4: A Velveta level, that's probably second form, where it's like, okay,
Speaker 4: we've added a cream, it's not powder anymore. There's actual
Speaker 4: cheese in this. And then the final form I've got
Speaker 4: one sorry, might be uh okay. When you go to
Speaker 4: a festival and they have mac and cheese balls fried on.
Speaker 2: A stick, that's pretty good.
Speaker 4: It's like all of the cheesy goodness it's on a
Speaker 4: stick and it's been depried. Yeah, they've they've combined so
Speaker 4: many different forms of food that are for people who
Speaker 4: want to hurt themselves and they put it in an easy, convenient,
Speaker 4: walkable form.
Speaker 1: For Nebiolo would definitely be longa nebiolo, and then barbaresco,
Speaker 1: then barolo.
Speaker 2: That's a that's an easy one. Johnny Walker is an
Speaker 2: easy one. You go from like red to black, the.
Speaker 1: Blue Snave would be just normal Russo the de Monto Plciano,
Speaker 1: and then it would be ve No Russia and Multipolciano
Speaker 1: is not sand As, I'm embarrassed, just regular, and then
Speaker 1: it would be Kianti and that would be Brunello or
Speaker 1: maybe Vino Nobile.
Speaker 2: Grown in there.
Speaker 5: Damn, you need to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, I was trying to meet my mic conder.
Speaker 4: The morning you've had, I don't think you should be,
Speaker 4: uh a crying wolf right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there, there's got to be like, uh, I don't
Speaker 1: want to do wrestlers because that wouldn't make any sense
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely one of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a you know, maybe like Stealth series where like,
Speaker 3: you know, the ultimate would be Middle Year, the middle One.
Speaker 5: What about yours your favorite? Uh double O seven.
Speaker 1: Mmm? Uh scenes with Zenya on the top of them?
Speaker 2: Okay, son scene is the ultimate evolution? Oh really, I
Speaker 2: would go. I would go the crush.
Speaker 1: I guess the basic one is when she just kills
Speaker 1: that dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, crushes the.
Speaker 3: First one, and then maybe the hell gun orgasm and
Speaker 3: then yeah or guns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so they all work. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: I be. I would love to. I think she would.
Speaker 5: Come on, what about the bedazzled lady?
Speaker 1: I mean gimmicks there's there's Yeah, she's got the.
Speaker 3: Uh fidazzle outfits. Oh, the devil thing, when she got
Speaker 3: the desk that's oh yeah, and sitting on the car
Speaker 3: and then uh yeah, wait because he has more of
Speaker 3: the gangs. She's just a devil all the time.
Speaker 2: Wait. No, she's like a teacher here. Oh yeah, you got.
Speaker 1: Okay, the snake one yep, yeah, yep, oh I have one.
Speaker 1: We should we should put Fomky Johnsen and Elizabeth Hurley
Speaker 1: in like in a in a ring.
Speaker 2: Don't you dare?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: What what do you mean? Don't I dare?
Speaker 1: Can't pick a winner there, I'm not saying I I'd
Speaker 1: say they would decide who wins. They'll fight, no fight,
Speaker 1: Oh come on, don't ruin this for me.
Speaker 5: Keep say I'm telling you he's the final evolution of Sika.
Speaker 2: I absolutely am. They will come back if we come
Speaker 2: up with any other good ones.
Speaker 1: There's got to be. There's probably some good ones, but
Speaker 1: we have got to be good ones. We have a
Speaker 1: couple of other questions. Keep that back of mine while
Speaker 1: we do these next questions. I'm gonna do this one. Hey, Fire,
Speaker 1: people love the podcast, haven't missed an episode in three years,
Speaker 1: and you are a light in a dark, dark world.
Speaker 2: I'm a man who likes to drink.
Speaker 1: I turned twenty one a few years ago and don't
Speaker 1: feel embarrassed to order any drink I see in the menu.
Speaker 1: Alcohol is alcohol. It gets the job done. Some people, though,
Speaker 1: are overly critical about drink choice, for example, saying a
Speaker 1: type of whiskey or bourbon isn't a good choice, making
Speaker 1: fun of choosing white wines over red wines, calling different
Speaker 1: mixed drinks more masculin than others, and it makes no
Speaker 1: sense to me whatsoever. Mike is the CEO of wine,
Speaker 1: Mary is the Mike Tyson of verbal arguments, and Dan
Speaker 1: is the first to point out aromatic notes in a
Speaker 1: variety of craft beers. My question for you three experts
Speaker 1: is what rebuttals do you have for people that share
Speaker 1: drink choices? And what's an interesting drink I can order
Speaker 1: so they think I'm better than them. I've always hated
Speaker 1: that ship. I remember the first time I went to
Speaker 1: a bar. I was like, oh, zema sounds good, and
Speaker 1: of course it's like, oh he's gay, it's a girl
Speaker 1: you drink or whatever like that. You dumbest hill drink
Speaker 1: whatever you want to drink. I think you're giving yourself
Speaker 1: too much credit. I think you shame people for getting
Speaker 1: stuff that's considered too high brow and your.
Speaker 2: Sure okay, so I yeah, just.
Speaker 1: Immediately, No, no, not at all. You're not as bad
Speaker 1: as him.
Speaker 2: There was definitely a time I was like that in
Speaker 2: every way with my dad.
Speaker 5: Don't was the final form of shaming for what they drink.
Speaker 1: If Paul is the charizard of like lowbrow whoa and Dan,
Speaker 1: let's say Dan, you would be charmander. What's who's the
Speaker 1: charmion between you two?
Speaker 5: A cigarette?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: Hank Hill, I don't know. Is a cigarette with eyes?
Speaker 5: That's just it's just a cigarette judging you with eyes.
Speaker 1: And you're better about this and like to be to
Speaker 1: be clear, I would rather someone be scoff at highbrow
Speaker 1: stuff than like, think something.
Speaker 3: Better than something like that ship Mike and I give
Speaker 3: backlership with the craft beer stuff. Well, no, there's a
Speaker 3: difference there because Mike, you will have a butt light
Speaker 3: with me. I've done that a million times. And you
Speaker 3: don't look down your nose at all is a billion percent.
Speaker 2: Like, might as well drink a can of piss. You
Speaker 2: should just drink some piss because that's what you're drinking.
Speaker 7: But like like.
Speaker 1: When you were first really getting into hard Seltzers like
Speaker 1: four years ago or whatever, and we were at his house,
Speaker 1: I think he was making fun of you for it.
Speaker 2: Like a white claw. He'sis you can of piss? Sure? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Backlar is a hipster. Yeah, he's totally that crap beer guy,
Speaker 3: like for real. Yeah, so he is the look down
Speaker 3: on people. Get Mike, as much as we give you,
Speaker 3: you're not, You've never.
Speaker 1: I'm dude, I'm not afraid to dive into the mud and.
Speaker 2: Frog around shotgun a beard. Yeah yeah, it's you're cool though.
Speaker 5: I will all the rest of us.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I fucking love it. I'll dumpster dive. I
Speaker 1: literally ran into a bunch of trash cans and dove
Speaker 1: into them. But the first time Dan hung out in
Speaker 1: my neighborhood twenty nineteen here, yeah, I know you're Yeah.
Speaker 1: We I In terms of like things that people do
Speaker 1: to wine that a lot of people scoff at, Like
Speaker 1: if you want to put ice in your white wine
Speaker 1: or rose fucking who cares if you and if that
Speaker 1: makes you enjoy it more.
Speaker 5: Than that example. For me, that's a good example of that.
Speaker 1: As I do, I should, I should not, I should
Speaker 1: just want people to enjoy it more and maybe buy
Speaker 1: more of it and drink it however they want. And
Speaker 1: if you want to have red wine with fish, it
Speaker 1: could probably be better if you had white wine fish,
Speaker 1: but whatever, fuck it, it's you're ordering it.
Speaker 3: I think I went to college in the early two thousands,
Speaker 3: and back then it was just you had to think
Speaker 3: about every drink because like everybody was so quick to
Speaker 3: be like that drink, you ordering that drink means you
Speaker 3: are gay or a girl like that was just absolutely.
Speaker 4: Homophobic as hell, and someday you'll be laughed out of
Speaker 4: a tavern.
Speaker 2: Yeah worse.
Speaker 3: And like I would want to get like, oh this
Speaker 3: thing actually, like I like the taste of this thing
Speaker 3: or this like green apple shot or whatever. Everyone's gonna
Speaker 3: call me gay, so like and so like that was
Speaker 3: a great thing. When you realize you get old enough,
Speaker 3: me gay problem and it's like drink the thing that
Speaker 3: tastes good.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna swirl my wine, I'm gonna stick
Speaker 1: I'm gonna and I'm gonna.
Speaker 5: Get flexus to order the drink that you like and
Speaker 5: just be like that.
Speaker 4: Then fine, I'm I'm super gay, I'm flaming and and
Speaker 4: I'm happier and I'm freer than you, dude.
Speaker 5: Honestly, the patriarchy is like the biggest chains in the world.
Speaker 4: I couldn't imagine not ordering what I want because someone
Speaker 4: would call me gay. That is so sad, not just
Speaker 4: for the person who's ordering that's afraid, but just for
Speaker 4: men in general, that you can't be yourself because someone
Speaker 4: is going to say that you're gay and that and
Speaker 4: that is like not good.
Speaker 5: It's like who cares?
Speaker 1: And the bar it is just was so low too,
Speaker 1: Like if you've got a March teeny, which I was
Speaker 1: not ordering Martine when I was young, but like now,
Speaker 1: I know them to be a very strong, maybe in
Speaker 1: some ways masculine drink, but they would have made fun
Speaker 1: of me so much if I got a Martine.
Speaker 2: I heard a Martini near my dad today.
Speaker 7: He was like, you.
Speaker 2: Take a Martine, Just drink a normal beer like a
Speaker 2: real guy.
Speaker 4: Like a real guy I think is like ultimate toxic
Speaker 4: masculinity energy. Yeah, that's that's the final form as your
Speaker 4: toxic masculinity is so sad. Yeah, so it says like
Speaker 4: what drink can you order? Some people think I was thinking,
Speaker 4: like Mike, you were getting really good examples with with
Speaker 4: wine right with where you could put ice in it,
Speaker 4: and it's like who cares for uh.
Speaker 5: Mixed drinks.
Speaker 4: I think it was always having a decent liquor, maybe
Speaker 4: like jamison, but then adding something to it that would
Speaker 4: take away how that liquor tastes. And so like a
Speaker 4: jamison and coke was something that people would make fun
Speaker 4: of me for because it's like, well, and you're not
Speaker 4: tasting the jamison, you're tasting like a.
Speaker 5: Very sugary coke or ginger ale or whatever it is.
Speaker 4: The mixer with a nice liquor is something that I
Speaker 4: got shipped for when I was like in my early
Speaker 4: twenties because I wanted something sweeter.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean to answer the question, if there's something you
Speaker 1: could if you were curious, what you could order to
Speaker 1: make people think you're better than them. Martinis are very
Speaker 1: in style right now. If you want to go a
Speaker 1: step further, order at Gibson. If the bar even has
Speaker 1: cocktail onions, it's a martini but with a cocktail onion instead.
Speaker 1: I fucking love them, but they're definitely a like they're
Speaker 1: past their prime for sure, Like they were a big
Speaker 1: like post prohibition era drink or you know what I've
Speaker 1: been drinking lately every once in a while.
Speaker 2: As a vukure.
Speaker 7: It's what.
Speaker 1: It's awesome. It's apparently used to be way more common.
Speaker 1: It's whiskey, brandy, and I'm forgetting maybe some bitters. I
Speaker 1: forget the third one is, but it's kind of like
Speaker 1: a French old fashion, but it like, despite the fact
Speaker 1: that it's French. I think it actually started as a
Speaker 1: pretty like speak easy underground drink.
Speaker 4: Actually good, probably something that you have to tell the
Speaker 4: bartender how to make it because.
Speaker 5: It's so unique.
Speaker 1: I really wanted to Alaska, and Alaska would do the trick.
Speaker 1: A lot of bartenders do not know what that is.
Speaker 5: Alaska.
Speaker 1: It's just our team, but with sharkshroofs instead of Vermouth
Speaker 1: and Chartsrus is in short supply and kind of expensive
Speaker 1: right now in America, so that might make you look
Speaker 1: like informed. And then when they don't know what your Alaska,
Speaker 1: whether in Alaska is, you can make fun of the
Speaker 1: people they made fun of you.
Speaker 3: I've been surprised because, like, as I've gotten into cocktail
Speaker 3: making and stuff like that, Like one of the mo
Speaker 3: most common ingredients I've seen is orghot, which is that
Speaker 3: like almost syrup and like to like big mellows drink,
Speaker 3: And I'll ask, oh, yea, do you guys have orgot here?
Speaker 2: And like some people working at liquor stores won't know
Speaker 2: what it is. I'm like, is this sorry?
Speaker 5: I can't hear you with that dick in your mouth?
Speaker 5: Can you please say that again?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it's well, it goes by. I think fewer people.
Speaker 1: Some people would not even recognize it as or shot.
Speaker 1: They would just be like, oh, you want like decerna, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have tons of that. Or it's a bit different, right,
Speaker 1: they are a type of It's not like it's.
Speaker 2: A type of shot. But if you can buy a.
Speaker 3: Shot that like there's just the almonds syrup that doesn't
Speaker 3: have the like like a liquor content in it, right,
Speaker 3: because I buy that off Amazon.
Speaker 2: You can't just buy like liquor off Amazon.
Speaker 1: Uh, No, or shot usually has alcohol if you want
Speaker 1: to get like almonds syrup. I don't think it's technically until.
Speaker 5: It is alcohol is just such a low percentage that
Speaker 5: you can buy it.
Speaker 1: You might, I mean, I might be wrong. I didn't
Speaker 1: think it's or shot unless it actually was a liqueur
Speaker 1: as well almond syrup.
Speaker 3: Well then all this stuff I've been using this Tranni almond.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I don't do the same thing flavor wise,
Speaker 3: but I yeah, I don't know. I'm I completely could
Speaker 3: be wrong. I just didn't think it was shot. If
Speaker 3: it's zero alcohol, yeah's the stuff I buying an Amazon
Speaker 3: is just yeah, almond, orgot syrup, turani no alcohol.
Speaker 1: Weird, but like shot more in my life, it's a
Speaker 1: fun word and it is to say orgy it. And
Speaker 1: then I heard someone say it correctly. I'm like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I think the low brow one here you corrected me, Mike, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think I corrected you.
Speaker 2: I don't think I.
Speaker 5: Guess it goes to or over here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, heard you. You just said it correctly.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, I'm gonna say I for
Speaker 1: all the you know, the times I play up the
Speaker 1: highbrow stuff, I make it a point to never just
Speaker 1: outright correct someone because I hate that guy.
Speaker 3: I will a thousand percent back you on that. Like
Speaker 3: you're actually really good about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And everyone who said that it was Balatroe can
Speaker 4: suck my dick.
Speaker 5: I don't care.
Speaker 4: First of all, I'm not doing that. Second of all,
Speaker 4: shut up, I don't care. I'm not dealing with you
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 1: Wait is that how it's supposed to be said?
Speaker 5: I don't care.
Speaker 2: No one does it.
Speaker 5: I refuse to answer the question.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's Italian technically, I didn't know
Speaker 1: if like there's a I mean, I don't speak Italian.
Speaker 5: So associated with it.
Speaker 2: I'm learning a watra.
Speaker 1: Rolls off the tongue, off the tongue. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: about Yeah.
Speaker 4: My dad when he ordered drinks, he told me one
Speaker 4: of his favorite drinks when he was in college was
Speaker 4: a Harvey Wallbanger, which I love that name.
Speaker 5: I think it's fun.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's good and it's a very classic drink.
Speaker 4: It's vodka orange juice, but it has a little bit
Speaker 4: of Galliano in it, which is kind of that like
Speaker 4: black liquorice.
Speaker 5: She tastes. So it's not for everybody, ya.
Speaker 4: It gives you a little bit of a twist on
Speaker 4: the classic uh screwdriver.
Speaker 5: Screwdriver? Thank you?
Speaker 4: And a lot of bartenders will be like, Harvey Wallbanger,
Speaker 4: it sounds so familiar, but they won't know. But I
Speaker 4: think it's a flex to go into a bar and
Speaker 4: say I want a Harvey Wallbanger, because when the bartender knows,
Speaker 4: they've obviously they're obviously a drinker and has been in
Speaker 4: the game for a long time.
Speaker 5: Because it's an old school drink. I think it's a
Speaker 5: classy looking drink.
Speaker 4: But let's be real here, it's just vodka orange juice,
Speaker 4: which gives you that sweetness.
Speaker 5: It's totally fair.
Speaker 4: I think that you'd be hard pressed for someone to
Speaker 4: make fun of you for ordering a Harvey Wallbanger.
Speaker 5: Also, it sounds.
Speaker 2: Cool, yeah, mm hmm, it's uh.
Speaker 1: I also will say two other things that's reminded me of.
Speaker 1: A bartender at a pretty prestigious cocktail bar in New
Speaker 1: York said that they include photos of what the drink
Speaker 1: is going to look like in the glass, because every
Speaker 1: once in a while, a like guy who is maybe
Speaker 1: they're on his first date or something kind of complain
Speaker 1: when you bring it to it. Bring it to him
Speaker 1: in like a feminine glass, Yeah, like a long stem
Speaker 1: glass with like some flowers in it and stuff.
Speaker 2: So I was like, they hear that much.
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, they'll send it back and ask you
Speaker 1: to put it in a different drinks or like in
Speaker 1: a tumblr.
Speaker 5: Glass or I think that happens all the time.
Speaker 1: And this is like a this is a like well
Speaker 1: known like world, like prestigious cocktail bart and even they
Speaker 1: have to deal.
Speaker 4: With, like the patriarchy run so deep in our society
Speaker 4: you can see it fucking everywhere. The idea that the
Speaker 4: vessel in which your drink comes in could maybe make
Speaker 4: you gay is.
Speaker 1: Because it's too fat fat glass.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is so sad to me.
Speaker 4: And I actually I pity people who like bullied whoever,
Speaker 4: like uh, like just going back to Nathan here, like
Speaker 4: that is that is more of a reflection on the
Speaker 4: people that are making fun of you than it ever
Speaker 4: is of like whatever you have ordered. And I think
Speaker 4: it is a really sad reflection of someone who thinks
Speaker 4: who wants to make sure that no one thinks they're
Speaker 4: gay by saying like, hey, whatever you order, I am,
Speaker 4: I am observing it with great interest so that I
Speaker 4: can ensure everybody knows how super manly I am. I
Speaker 4: will I'll come for you Yeah, that is sad. That
Speaker 4: is a that is a restricted person who like cannot
Speaker 4: be free.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, I mean as Nathan or as we
Speaker 1: already said, like if you have a friend who's like
Speaker 1: giving you shit for stuff like that, and it's not
Speaker 1: just a bit and it's an ongoing thing, then oh,
Speaker 1: maybe they need to get some stuff off there.
Speaker 5: Order them a Seaman spritzer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be great and ask the bartender for the
Speaker 2: real thing. They'll know what you mean.
Speaker 3: That's a great thing about getting older is that you
Speaker 3: just be so selective with like, Okay, I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: have anyone in my life that's doing that ivy ship
Speaker 3: versus like you're living in the dorms, you're going to
Speaker 3: parties and it's like, well, this is the that's around me,
Speaker 3: and like, wow, a lot of them are assholes, you know,
Speaker 3: like we don't have to deal with that when you
Speaker 3: get older.
Speaker 1: I had this conversation with a man the other day.
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we have exercised all of the
Speaker 1: like those people out of our life completely. Like we
Speaker 1: looked around the other day, We're like we really genuinely
Speaker 1: love all the people we.
Speaker 2: Hang out with.
Speaker 5: That's wonderful.
Speaker 4: I think that's also an evolution, right, Like maybe your
Speaker 4: first stage of friendship is like, hey, I'm.
Speaker 5: In middle school.
Speaker 4: Whoever's around me, I hope they like me because I'm
Speaker 4: very sensitive.
Speaker 5: I am a baby.
Speaker 4: And then the second evolution of that is college, which
Speaker 4: is like, I know a little bit about myself, but
Speaker 4: I also desperately want to be liked by you. And
Speaker 4: the final stage is somewhere around mid thirties, where you're like, actually,
Speaker 4: don't give a flaming fuck yeah anymore about anything. I'll
Speaker 4: cut you out so fast because it's my comfort in
Speaker 4: my happiness is pure.
Speaker 5: And I think that is like the ultimate victory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, Charmander, Charmelian, Charzard. It would be old fashioned.
Speaker 1: Uh huh uh a sazarak okay. And then as the
Speaker 1: chars are, some people might argue the sasak is the
Speaker 1: chars are.
Speaker 2: I could. I would hear that out. I would hear
Speaker 2: them argue with them, you are so gay, God, damn
Speaker 2: what you look like? Come back.
Speaker 1: Like dick shaped glass.
Speaker 2: I'm not, I'm not. I'll do that guy in college, Ye,
Speaker 2: twenty of those guys.
Speaker 1: Slam and ass left and right, all right, Mary, I
Speaker 1: want to read this one from Yeah.
Speaker 2: Got you? I did Zephyr.
Speaker 1: I did cut out a bit just for time constraints,
Speaker 1: but I left the spirit intact.
Speaker 5: Cool.
Speaker 4: I know exactly this is high fire Escape team. This
Speaker 4: is Zephyr from Mary's Mary Monday twitch streams.
Speaker 2: How cool.
Speaker 5: Thank you for I think I told you to do this.
Speaker 5: This is very cool. People who watch me play.
Speaker 4: Silent Hill right now on my Monday streams asked me
Speaker 4: questions and I said, that's a fire escape question.
Speaker 5: Send it it.
Speaker 4: They also said something really nice about Kneval, which I
Speaker 4: think is worth mentioning. Create gaming stream of my own
Speaker 4: called Crossing Chords on YouTube. It ran for four years
Speaker 4: and it was an absolute blast, and I think that's
Speaker 4: really great, Canevil. Not only I'm glad it inspired you,
Speaker 4: it actually inspired us in many ways to make this podcast.
Speaker 5: One of the things is, like Mike and.
Speaker 4: Dan were very close from working, especially in the New
Speaker 4: York office. You guys got really close. But what made
Speaker 4: Mike and I very close was Knieval. We worked in
Speaker 4: the office together like everybody does. We all have like
Speaker 4: work companions and friendships, but it was Knieval. I think
Speaker 4: that's like when we really learned and tested our friendship.
Speaker 4: It's like where we had our first fight.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so where we had our first fight.
Speaker 4: It's where we like really kind of bonded and learned
Speaker 4: to trust each other to a certain degree. Kannevl's kind
Speaker 4: of like where it all start. I think without Caneval
Speaker 4: this podcast would not exist, and probably not so you.
Speaker 1: Were out all the time together, but like in terms
Speaker 1: of like professional creative endeavors, yeah, I think we learned
Speaker 1: where we can definitely push each other a bit too much.
Speaker 1: Maybe not these days, but at that time I was
Speaker 1: more of a hot head.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm a button pusher, there's no question.
Speaker 4: I mean, I know I've learned boundaries from our friendship
Speaker 4: where I've recognized that I will almost say anything for
Speaker 4: a laugh.
Speaker 2: And it is.
Speaker 4: It has happened multiple times in my life where my
Speaker 4: friends have said, hey, you actually hurt my feelings and
Speaker 4: I'm like, I need to fucking sit down.
Speaker 3: You have said so many awful things about me, and
Speaker 3: I've never had my feelings hurt.
Speaker 5: Why. I think it's I know, Dan, you are very patient. Well,
Speaker 5: I think we're both patient with each other. I'll say
Speaker 5: that because you're actually a real son of a bitch.
Speaker 5: I have said some vile things to you this year.
Speaker 5: I do believe that you've earned them.
Speaker 2: But I dick stones.
Speaker 4: You could have messaged me on the side and been like, actually,
Speaker 4: that was very rude and possibly too too personal, and.
Speaker 5: You've never done it.
Speaker 2: I've never even considered did.
Speaker 5: For a second a smile on your face something I
Speaker 5: think human soul. I thought to kill your dog during
Speaker 5: good of the year.
Speaker 4: No, I extanded it really well, and the next morning,
Speaker 4: as we were like packing up our ship, I said,
Speaker 4: I am sorry I threatened to kill your dog.
Speaker 5: No, I would never kill your dog, right, And Dan
Speaker 5: was like, dog, don't even mention it.
Speaker 4: How me get in my hooper and everything, And I
Speaker 4: was like, I'm really sorry I threatened to kill your dog.
Speaker 3: I still think about You're not important enough to be
Speaker 3: this annoying. I think that is one of the most
Speaker 3: perfectly crafted insults I've ever heard. My Yeah, that's really good, fantastic.
Speaker 5: It's a really brutal one.
Speaker 4: I heard somebody else write in and say, like, uh
Speaker 4: that earlier we had someone write in and say your
Speaker 4: soul is cat piss is now in my lexicon, And
Speaker 4: I think that that's also really sweet that other people
Speaker 4: have found my insults to you not only tantalizing and brutal,
Speaker 4: but something that could actually be utilized in their every
Speaker 4: day You sent to them like go forth and prosper.
Speaker 1: But you're like the Tony Hinchcliff of fire Escape, is
Speaker 1: what I say, Mary?
Speaker 5: Is not you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're the roast specialist. Yeah, I'm the really like cerebral,
Speaker 1: intelligent joke the podcast comic.
Speaker 2: What if I used the prop.
Speaker 7: Eight know?
Speaker 2: I don't know who I am?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, people always say I'm like a mix of uh Bilburr,
Speaker 1: a bit of George Carlin, Eddie Murphy and yeah all
Speaker 1: the big ones all did we finish the question or.
Speaker 5: Onto the question?
Speaker 4: During Mary's stream last night, I asked a question she
Speaker 4: thought would be good for the podcast That is exactly
Speaker 4: what happened. What is the cruelest thing you have encountered
Speaker 4: in a game? Just a total dick move by the developers?
Speaker 4: For example, she is in the middle of Silent Hill
Speaker 4: to remake and opening a complicated box involving multiple locks
Speaker 4: of keys scattered around. She finally opens it and the
Speaker 4: box is empty, And I did I looked right into
Speaker 4: the camera and was like, that is a real, like
Speaker 4: son of a bitch move to make me go through
Speaker 4: all of that for an empty box anything else?
Speaker 5: Zephyr, Thank you, Zephyr.
Speaker 2: I got a good one.
Speaker 3: Okay, the coreux seeds in breadth the wild there being
Speaker 3: a golden piece of shit that does nothing. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: the craziest nine things you have to get, and you
Speaker 3: assume it's got to be a fucking master's sword you
Speaker 3: can surf on across the land.
Speaker 5: Like an unbreakable sword.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's a fierce deity mask that. Yeah. No,
Speaker 2: it's a golden piece of shit that you can't do anything.
Speaker 2: What do they actually call it? What is its item name?
Speaker 2: I forget? Yeah, I don't we want to talk about that?
Speaker 2: So fucking funny the uh.
Speaker 1: I guess anything like Dark from software does that often,
Speaker 1: especially like I feel like the first time I because
Speaker 1: if you're talking like the evolution of dark souls, you
Speaker 1: can't not start with demon souls. Demon souls did some
Speaker 1: of that, but it was really sends Fortress and dark
Speaker 1: Souls where they could tell when you're on your last
Speaker 1: legs and you're out of flasks, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, this boulder just comes out of nowhere down
Speaker 1: a stairs stairway and smashes into you, and you're dead.
Speaker 1: They do that all the time, and it's just like
Speaker 1: the game is too well crafted for me to get pissed,
Speaker 1: But it's just really fucking funny as well.
Speaker 3: Is it a Ocarina the Fire Temple where there's those
Speaker 3: doors where it just looks like a normal door and
Speaker 3: just falls over you.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, it like headbuts you and wobbles. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of Zelda stuff, you like even Metaphor does
Speaker 1: the monsters that are living in treasure chests that then
Speaker 1: come out and suck up your whole party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like.
Speaker 1: Arcane does that a lot in like Prey the mimic stuff,
Speaker 1: or they'll just put explosive barrels all around this one
Speaker 1: thing that you need to get to very carefully in
Speaker 1: a tense situation.
Speaker 4: Disrespectful too. I'm trying to think of like a nice
Speaker 4: old school exam.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 4: I think that culturally, one of the biggest ones was
Speaker 4: mass effect of like having a game franchise that was
Speaker 4: all about choice, and then the final game had basically
Speaker 4: three very similar ends and so I think that was
Speaker 4: a bit of defeatist to have a game that was
Speaker 4: all about story and then just not have that that matter.
Speaker 1: I think yeah, that was more they fucked up, yeah,
Speaker 1: than like the yeah messing with you, but I it is.
Speaker 2: But I mean I think.
Speaker 1: Zelda does that a lot. It's like, oh, look at
Speaker 1: this great item you got and it's just like a
Speaker 1: wooden stick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like not so triumphant, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I win Waker did stuff like that. Often there's
Speaker 1: from software just all over it, like Eldon Ring does
Speaker 1: that a lot. You'll do a really difficult dungeon and
Speaker 1: then the reards like they have to know this sucks.
Speaker 3: Even like linked to the Pass where it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: this thing hits you and then you're a fucking bunny.
Speaker 3: They can't do anything. It's like, oh great, this is fun.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like the beginning of Indie when that dude ditches
Speaker 1: you and then he runs through and it turns out
Speaker 1: he just got speared. Yeah, Like it's the shit like
Speaker 1: that where you think you're out and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden they fuck you up. But yeah, there's definitely
Speaker 1: I enjoy when developers can pull that off because like
Speaker 1: usually they it's in a game that is so well
Speaker 1: crafted otherwise that it works, it's funny and then not
Speaker 1: actually frustrating. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would think that metal Gear would do that
Speaker 4: to the player. Does that ever happen in metal Gear?
Speaker 4: Where it's like setting you up for a big thing,
Speaker 4: then it's like, ah, go fuck yourself.
Speaker 2: Uh there's fun thing.
Speaker 7: Oh you O.
Speaker 3: There's stuff where it's like, uh, I think it was
Speaker 3: in the old ones where you would get an item
Speaker 3: but it would have like like a snake in it
Speaker 3: or worm like you get like I'm getting this wrong,
Speaker 3: but it's like you get an apple and it would
Speaker 3: have like a worm in it or something, and it
Speaker 3: would go through and eat all of your rations and
Speaker 3: eat all of your health items until you realize it
Speaker 3: was doing that and you threw it out. Uh Meddle
Speaker 3: Gear Solid does that where you get something and there's
Speaker 3: a bomb on it, so like you don't even know
Speaker 3: until you hear this beeping and you look through your imagees.
Speaker 2: What the fuck is that?
Speaker 3: Oh the thing I put if it's a fucking bombit
Speaker 3: and you gotta throw it out, Like, yeah, there's some
Speaker 3: fun stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anytime it does.
Speaker 3: The Fourth Wall type stuff where like you know, the
Speaker 3: the Sorrows River and Meddle of your Solid three where
Speaker 3: you have to like basically just kill yourself and at
Speaker 3: the game over screen you have to revive yourself.
Speaker 2: Like weird stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to think of other ones that are
Speaker 4: just like massive fuck us. I'm sure there's even achievements
Speaker 4: that are also fuck used, right where it's just like
Speaker 4: the waste of time achievement, or like you've wasted your
Speaker 4: life trying to get all these pieces and bits and bobs,
Speaker 4: and it's just like we know that you've put way
Speaker 4: too much time into this game, sir.
Speaker 1: All right, well, thank you, Zephyr and Nathan and Joseph.
Speaker 1: All right, Well that's our last episode of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: We're three away from one hundred. We gotta start making
Speaker 1: plans for that. We gotta got some talks, but we gotta.
Speaker 2: We'll do something. It's funny, yeah, yeah, we have to
Speaker 2: have a gimmick.
Speaker 1: Spent a good year? What were your favorite Dan? What
Speaker 1: was your favorite fire Escape moment? Can you remember from
Speaker 1: twenty It's.
Speaker 3: Always just such a blur, I mean, but the thing
Speaker 3: that always stands out is the Game of the year,
Speaker 3: like having you guys here, and yeah, you know, just
Speaker 3: the way we cram so much fun stuff into just
Speaker 3: like a short weekend where like, you know, it's nice
Speaker 3: dinners like the Tyson fight this time was a nice
Speaker 3: thing to be timed with that and then just hanging out,
Speaker 3: you know, sitting on the deck making a fire dogs.
Speaker 1: Oh, that was a fun tradition and I look forward
Speaker 1: to it every year now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really good. So that stands out. We got
Speaker 2: to go to Portland this year too.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, that was special for me because much like
Speaker 4: Mike's party last year, I think it's very special for
Speaker 4: us to do something that actually isn't about the podcast
Speaker 4: or about our jobs, but just about seeing each other
Speaker 4: and reminding each other that we actually like each other's
Speaker 4: company and we like spending time with each other, and
Speaker 4: I like spending time with your.
Speaker 5: Partners, and it's just kind of great to.
Speaker 4: It is always wonderful, no matter what the excuse is,
Speaker 4: whether it's the podcast, whether it's Game of the Year.
Speaker 4: I love seeing you, But I think the most special
Speaker 4: is when it's like, do you guys just want to
Speaker 4: come to Portland and see this crazy double waterfall with me,
Speaker 4: and you're like yeah, and.
Speaker 3: We're all good about like knowing what trip, like if
Speaker 3: we're doing a trip like the New York meetup thing,
Speaker 3: so like that's a fire skift trip. We're making content,
Speaker 3: we're doing side stuff for the Patreon. But then there's
Speaker 3: one two where it's like this is a friend trip.
Speaker 3: You know, this is like we don't even like consider
Speaker 3: like let's squirrel away and make a podcast or whatever,
Speaker 3: Like I think it's important in what we do todes.
Speaker 5: We didn't even take a photo.
Speaker 4: There's only one photo of us from the Portland trip,
Speaker 4: and I actually don't know whose camera it's on, but
Speaker 4: it's at night and we're at a fire. Dan is
Speaker 4: wearing nothing but a towel ands on.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 5: I had a like you could just be laying out
Speaker 5: long at any time.
Speaker 3: But it looks weird because we all got out of
Speaker 3: the pool and we said, oh, we're gonna go sit
Speaker 3: by the fire, and so I grabbed a beer. I
Speaker 3: went by the fire like we said, and you guys
Speaker 3: went back and changed change. So all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: you guys are wearing normal ass clothes. I'm in like
Speaker 3: towels are a robe with swim trunks underneath. There's no
Speaker 3: dong risk there. But I just it looks weird in
Speaker 3: the photo, me just full on.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: That's why it never came out.
Speaker 2: It's because it looks like I'm just being weird.
Speaker 5: Looks like you're just naked for some reason, and everybody
Speaker 5: else is clothed.
Speaker 3: They are full swim trunks down underneath. I'd risk no
Speaker 3: dong slippage.
Speaker 5: There's no proof.
Speaker 1: Yep, I got my camera cannot look crystal clear?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Can I send it out?
Speaker 2: Send it to me? Why is it still focusing on me?
Speaker 2: What is my camera down? Your new camera?
Speaker 5: Send it? Send it to me.
Speaker 2: And you can't see it. You can't tell from the photo.
Speaker 1: But my my shirt pocket and a lot of creases
Speaker 1: in my clothes are full of goldfish because Dan kept
Speaker 1: filling my creases with goldfish. I forgot about like fat
Speaker 1: shirt pocket of goldfish. There's all four of us.
Speaker 3: Okay, nice, one of these days did change at that point?
Speaker 3: Am I still just wearing here?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 2: You changed in the marine layer?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 2: I think? Okay, seamoon right there? You can't see it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: It's been a fun year. It was a busy year.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to next year to travel nearly as
Speaker 1: much for leisure stuff. I get to just hang out more.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping. I mean, I'll be traveling for work. I
Speaker 2: mind up for early in the year. I think I
Speaker 2: actually might just be able to be home for a while.
Speaker 2: That'll be nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hopefully soon we'll have my full Irish citizenship
Speaker 1: and thus EU citizenship. I think I'm at the final
Speaker 1: step based on stuff I've read. Uh, now I just
Speaker 1: have to fight a leprechaun and then beat on nice
Speaker 1: and then I'm a citizen. Going to Ireland. I think
Speaker 1: in the spring, maybe early summer.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you go maybe get even more annoying about wine.
Speaker 1: That's my new year's resolution.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got I love it. You should text my
Speaker 2: dad more. Yeah, I've been about wine.
Speaker 5: About wine.
Speaker 1: Me and him talk about wine a lot. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: would really brighten his hotel room to have does have
Speaker 1: nice some veno, just just wine and cigarette smoke. I
Speaker 1: want to get the hotel address and his room number
Speaker 1: and send him bottles of wine.
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, I know.
Speaker 5: May he would hate that. Maybe it'll it'll be what
Speaker 5: propels him to go get a house. He has to
Speaker 5: get out to get out.
Speaker 2: Of this space the house, and then he sells that
Speaker 2: house to keep it from doing that. Yees.
Speaker 1: He goes into a bunker, which I've already stocked with wine.
Speaker 3: That's that's the Pokemon evolution of fall record living situations,
Speaker 3: as bunker is the last one.
Speaker 1: I'm going to advertise a bunker that someone can live
Speaker 1: in and purposely get him to move in. It turns
Speaker 1: out just my wine cellar you live. Yeah, yep, we
Speaker 1: both do.
Speaker 2: Mary, What do you have going on outside of the
Speaker 2: show of ours?
Speaker 5: Trying to finish uh?
Speaker 1: But up Silent Hill too.
Speaker 4: Was trying to say Portal Silent Hill two. I don't
Speaker 4: know where Portal came from.
Speaker 2: They're very similar, same developer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, same quirky humor. Anyway, I'll probably try and finish
Speaker 4: Silent Hill two.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: And because it's usually I like to have a game
Speaker 4: while I'm on break, I need to actually find the
Speaker 4: game that I'm going to pour lots of hours into
Speaker 4: to beat before. It usually is a Zelda, because you know,
Speaker 4: you could just put mad hours into Azelda and enjoy it.
Speaker 4: But I don't have a backlog of a Zelda that
Speaker 4: I need to get through, so I'm actually not sure
Speaker 4: what my Christmas break game should be.
Speaker 2: Where you at with Mario stuff?
Speaker 5: I like the Mario. I think I'm more of a
Speaker 5: Metroid Vania person, is like my favorite place to be.
Speaker 5: But I love obviously.
Speaker 2: Do you play Metroid Dread?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 5: Was that the remake?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 5: I haven't wait, Sorry it was, but it was a
Speaker 5: remake of the original.
Speaker 2: It's original zero mission that they have done remakes.
Speaker 1: But they did metroc Prime remaster, but is a brand
Speaker 1: new one switch specific new one.
Speaker 5: I think that could be good for me.
Speaker 2: I would love to hear your thoughts on that.
Speaker 4: Okay, let me let me look it up on the switch,
Speaker 4: because I yeah, I usually I take my steam Deck everywhere,
Speaker 4: so it's kind of weird.
Speaker 5: To be like dusting off the old switch.
Speaker 2: I haven't. I haven't.
Speaker 5: I haven't looked at that in four years. Like I've
Speaker 5: forgotten what it even is.
Speaker 3: I got my year in review stuff from all the
Speaker 3: big platforms. It's like, I barely touched this thing this year.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is.
Speaker 5: It's still outdated. It just has no value anymore.
Speaker 2: Dan, what are you have going on?
Speaker 3: Odd holiday stuff? But yeah, I'm on Blue Sky, Instagram, Twitch,
Speaker 3: I do think. Yeah, looking like next year, early next year,
Speaker 3: I might be able to stream a little more frequently.
Speaker 3: So yeah, hoping to take a little easy after a
Speaker 3: very busy year.
Speaker 5: I played dread God. Damn it. I played the shit
Speaker 5: out of this game. It's really good, it's really fun.
Speaker 5: Moss fights.
Speaker 4: The last boss fight is like such a song. At
Speaker 4: some point I was like, I don't know if I
Speaker 4: want to beat this anymore.
Speaker 5: What else do you got for me?
Speaker 3: Mmmmmmm? Turn to think games from recent I mean, are
Speaker 3: you up for going old?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Interesting? Okay, so that's Zelda.
Speaker 4: She played Zelda like old school Zelda's, but I think
Speaker 4: I've caught up. I don't know if there's any Zelda's
Speaker 4: I haven't played anymore.
Speaker 3: I would say Snake Eater if there wasn't a remake
Speaker 3: coming out soon. Obviously, got Resident Evil taken care of.
Speaker 5: I always like looking for like a hidden gem that
Speaker 5: you could just pour like thirty hours into.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm looking at my top one hundred games of
Speaker 2: all time.
Speaker 5: Okay, thank you find one here?
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, thank you. I want to go down
Speaker 2: until she hasn't played one Okay, well, I mean Mario,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a lot of old stuff.
Speaker 5: It's all Mario.
Speaker 3: All right, here's my top one hundred games of all time. Okay,
Speaker 3: here's the list. We're gonna start from the top. Bret
Speaker 3: the While, Link to the Past, Yeah, okay, Mario World, Meddle,
Speaker 3: your Solid Soul Calle or some of these.
Speaker 5: I've never played any uh not, Mario. I've never played
Speaker 5: a Metal I've never played a Metal game.
Speaker 1: Do you know the story at all? I know that
Speaker 1: nobody knows the story.
Speaker 5: Try.
Speaker 2: Kayla just went through all them for the first time.
Speaker 5: And what else you got?
Speaker 2: My caveat that.
Speaker 1: I think I would be very interested to see what Okay,
Speaker 1: I guess if you play the Blue Point Collection, then
Speaker 1: the controls are.
Speaker 2: A bit more collection thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm assuming that's what Kayla played.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she played the Master Collection. Okay. Do you play
Speaker 2: Link between Worlds? Marry the three D s? Zelda?
Speaker 1: Do you go into paintings as like a two dimensional.
Speaker 5: I started it, I don't think I finished it, which
Speaker 5: is odd one. Okay, finish it.
Speaker 2: It's it's really, really, really good. I have a lot
Speaker 2: of old games on this list. Weird play Total War
Speaker 2: Warhammer three?
Speaker 5: What else you got.
Speaker 2: And super very old Mary.
Speaker 1: We should finish resume before remake sometime soon.
Speaker 2: Dude, you, why is that on me?
Speaker 5: You're the busier one.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not busier than you are.
Speaker 5: I think we're both equally busy.
Speaker 2: But we got we should.
Speaker 1: Let's finish finish.
Speaker 2: I'm away this week.
Speaker 5: I'm free next week.
Speaker 2: Okay, I should be as well.
Speaker 5: All right, let's finish it. Dan, name me more games.
Speaker 3: Look to my entire list and they're just all very old.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're the ones you want to go.
Speaker 2: For right now. Like play like Bloodstain. If you like
Speaker 2: Metro a Venus, that sounds awesome, that's a really good one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I really think God Med you're would be
Speaker 3: so fun to hear you talk about.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you would be able to stomach
Speaker 1: a lot of the like dated design stuff, but.
Speaker 2: That's interesting to hear about. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: But I just don't even know if Mary would fight
Speaker 1: through it.
Speaker 5: I don't think I would. I've played I've played Ritual
Speaker 5: of the Night.
Speaker 2: That's the one, that's the main one.
Speaker 4: Okay, I've played that. It's so good, The evolutions of
Speaker 4: the character crazy. All right, I'll keep thinking, and then
Speaker 4: I'll let you know the next time we record. What
Speaker 4: game I poured forty hours into?
Speaker 2: You played the Mario Galaxies?
Speaker 5: I mean I've played Mario Galaxy.
Speaker 2: Is there more? There's Galaxy too, which is better?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Very good?
Speaker 3: Maybe that'd be kind of you'd have to pull out
Speaker 3: a Wii for that, a little forgettable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, I don't think metal Gear is right there.
Speaker 2: You would love your top mettal Gear.
Speaker 3: No, No, because that would feel too much like a project.
Speaker 3: I think I don't know if it is a lot,
Speaker 3: it's so dense.
Speaker 1: Although I have been thinking about replaying Phantom Pain lately.
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about doing peace Walker. Oh interesting, do
Speaker 2: you have to pain?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 2: Like has that first like ten hours?
Speaker 1: That could be a slog, But then once you're in
Speaker 1: the like open world gameplay loop, then it's great.
Speaker 5: What's the final evolution of metal Gear? Which game.
Speaker 3: Four just kind of ties everything together? I mean, if
Speaker 3: the evolution of gameplay, it's five, But as far as
Speaker 3: just the metal geariness, it's four.
Speaker 1: I think I'd say Snake Eaters Charmellion, and then Charmander
Speaker 1: would be the first game.
Speaker 4: I wonder if Slime Rancher got better. Maybe I'll just
Speaker 4: pour forty hours to some kind of cozy ranch game. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that sounds awesome.
Speaker 1: Stard just dropped another update like last week.
Speaker 5: Did they though, because now they're just release updates.
Speaker 4: But it's the same game, and you're just like, but
Speaker 4: you can fuck in it and it's just like I
Speaker 4: don't care, Like.
Speaker 5: What what else do you have?
Speaker 1: That's the one that brought me back.
Speaker 2: Bully.
Speaker 5: I've never played Bully.
Speaker 2: Bully's really good. Okami. There's HD versions of that.
Speaker 4: I played Ocamy okay, Okay, I was proud of beating.
Speaker 4: I beat that way late in my life. But I
Speaker 4: have I have completed Okami.
Speaker 2: It's eight Paper, Mario thousand your Door.
Speaker 5: I don't think I've done Paper, but they.
Speaker 3: Got that remake and it's on got that remake and
Speaker 3: it's it's really it's still very funny, I think, Mary,
Speaker 3: but it is. And you know, I don't like RPGs,
Speaker 3: but the charm and the gameplay, like the turn based
Speaker 3: stuff is very good. I know, I know, like I
Speaker 3: don't like rbgs either, but this is a good one.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Just let's offline the rest of this. You got you
Speaker 1: got suggestions.
Speaker 3: We're not done yet now you're still scrolling through giant
Speaker 3: lists of games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great radio, But anyway, thank you to everybody. Uh,
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Speaker 1: that's quite a long time now, heaving forward to twenty five,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, No not shen, these are all terrible suggestions.
Speaker 2: Replay Outer Wilds. Mary.
Speaker 1: They had that new DLC and they have like the
Speaker 1: they have like twelve hours of new content, and that
Speaker 1: two years ago that DLC that came out Forgetting It
Speaker 1: was called.
Speaker 5: I think I would like to replay Outer Wild's like
Speaker 5: what a fantastic here.
Speaker 1: I think I've forgotten enough about the intricacies of the
Speaker 1: puzzles that it would still be a bit.
Speaker 2: Like discovering it.
Speaker 1: I think I would have to replay like how to
Speaker 1: I remember how you eventually have to like get to
Speaker 1: the final area. I don't think that I'll ever forget that.
Speaker 1: But there's there's my new Shawn different planets that I have,
Speaker 1: you know, left my memory. Yeah, you can go to
Speaker 1: fire skatear dot com if you wanna. Do you want
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Speaker 1: fuck my way out of Heaven, but we'll get there.
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Speaker 1: our episode. We'll be back in twenty twenty five at
Speaker 1: this point. Time Splitters two, oh yeah, that's on. I
Speaker 1: believe that's Xbox Arcade.
Speaker 5: I played Time Crisis too. I loved it.
Speaker 2: Also good game.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, well I'm gonna cut this off because
Speaker 1: I'm getting annoyed.
Speaker 5: Pick Man, which one I've played the latest.
Speaker 2: All right, I went for We'll be back on episode
Speaker 2: ninety eight.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, everybody, We'll see you then, Sean
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