Speaker 1: H right. This is Bob Anklin from Rosemont, Minnesota, and
Speaker 1: I play at the Emerald Greens golf Course. This is
Speaker 1: a Golf Smarter number nine hundred and sixty one. You
Speaker 1: need a new golf organization called real Golf that dispenses
Speaker 1: with the USGA. Solid, simple, stupid little rules plaid as
Speaker 1: it lays, be goes out of bound, put it back
Speaker 1: in bound, don't go back to the t. You can
Speaker 1: grind your club and the hazard. Who cares? Those are
Speaker 1: the rules so that amateurs will actually be able to
Speaker 1: follow them. Got to have a lot of degrees and
Speaker 1: a master in taxes to follow the USGA rules. They're stupid.
Speaker 1: It's like only twelve rules. Originally, the USGA is all
Speaker 1: over the map. They don't even know what skill is.
Speaker 1: The yards books were originally illegal because they're not the
Speaker 1: golfer's eye and senses telling him about the conditions of
Speaker 1: the golf course and how to play the shot. Anything
Speaker 1: that's other than that, like a book, a green map,
Speaker 1: a yards book or illegal. The USGA's obligation is to
Speaker 1: protect the game of skill from cheating. They don't want
Speaker 1: fake scores, they want a real handicap. According to the
Speaker 1: rules of skill. Then they made that goofy exception if
Speaker 1: it's traditionally accepted. The first case that they considered was
Speaker 1: the yards books, and they said traditionally accepted. We're sorry,
Speaker 1: go ahead, you know what. The second one was plumb bobbing.
Speaker 1: They considered the case of plumbbobbing. They said, so many
Speaker 1: golfers cheat with it, accepted that wasn't even cheating because
Speaker 1: plumbbobbing doesn't work.
Speaker 2: Everything you know is wrong. According to Jeff Mangum of
Speaker 2: the Pudding Zone.
Speaker 1: This is Golf's Murder, sharing stories, tips and insights from
Speaker 1: Greek golf minds to help you lower your score and
Speaker 1: raise your golf IQ.
Speaker 2: There's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf
Speaker 2: Smarter podcast.
Speaker 1: Jeff, Hi, Fred, how you doing. Long time no see.
Speaker 2: Long time no see.
Speaker 3: You know, I was looking back on my spreadsheet here
Speaker 3: to try to figure out how long it's been since
Speaker 3: you were on the podcast. And so this is episode
Speaker 3: nine sixty one. Last time I see it was an
Speaker 3: episode number six hundred and two in twenty seventeen, in
Speaker 3: like almost exactly a year, So seven years since we've
Speaker 3: talked to each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, but more importantly, the first episode you were
Speaker 2: on was episode thirty seven in August of two thousand
Speaker 2: and six.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So it's uh, we've been talking to each other for
Speaker 3: a long time, but we haven't talked to each other
Speaker 3: in a long time. And it is great to have
Speaker 3: you back on because the putting world has changed, and
Speaker 3: probably from your perspective, it hasn't because people still suck
Speaker 3: at putting.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say anything like everybody sucks.
Speaker 2: Okay, how would you characterize it?
Speaker 1: But it could definitely be better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can be better. They can be better.
Speaker 3: So you've been running the putting zone for probably longer
Speaker 3: than I've been doing this podcast, and since two.
Speaker 1: Thousand, twenty four years.
Speaker 2: Wow. Congratulations, and you have certified teachers all over the
Speaker 2: world to become putting zone instructors.
Speaker 1: I've trained seven hundred and fifty golf coaches, most of
Speaker 1: which were sixteen hours two days training each.
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow.
Speaker 1: This got back from Korea where we did classes, two
Speaker 1: day classes with thirty and then we did two classes sixty.
Speaker 1: We did four days of training, and then we did
Speaker 1: they're players and individuals.
Speaker 2: And do you have a language barrier?
Speaker 3: Do you have somebody who's there as a translator for
Speaker 3: you or your host speak.
Speaker 1: English in Korea, English is very hard for Koreans. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're pretty conscious, self conscious about not being able
Speaker 1: to speak English. So I had the good fortune of
Speaker 1: a Korean that was born on Saipan, which is now
Speaker 1: part of America, and he grew up speaking English very fluently.
Speaker 1: He's the one that was my host and he translated
Speaker 1: and that worked.
Speaker 3: Great, awesome, awesome. And what about in Japan? Have you
Speaker 3: done Japan as well?
Speaker 1: Japan? I have a friend that's working on that right now.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's amazing, but talk about you know, they definitely
Speaker 3: if they can't speak English, you know perfectly, they're not
Speaker 3: going to do it. And they're all trained as kids.
Speaker 3: I mean the kids speak English, it's amazing, but adults
Speaker 3: they don't use it as much. They don't feel comfortable,
Speaker 3: so they just don't do it right.
Speaker 2: It's incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if if if a person has difficulty with English,
Speaker 1: they laugh and then they go away. They do know,
Speaker 1: and they don't enjoy the feelings of not being perfect.
Speaker 1: They are perfect monsters in Korea. Boy, they love perfect,
Speaker 1: still love perfect. They love perfect.
Speaker 3: And when they talk about golf, when do you learn
Speaker 3: At what point do you accept the fact that there
Speaker 3: is no perfect in golf.
Speaker 1: I don't never think there's perfect in anything human. And
Speaker 1: they kind of have to admit that they're not perfect,
Speaker 1: even though they've been working harder than anybody, it's probably
Speaker 1: not in the cards. And so you have to be
Speaker 1: You have to disconnect their their sense of themselves from
Speaker 1: their Korean context of family and friends. They don't want
Speaker 1: to admit around family and friends that they're not either
Speaker 1: perfect or just about getting there. But if you did
Speaker 1: much pressure and you just go, hey, let's go eat
Speaker 1: some kimchi, you know you can. You can make good
Speaker 1: emotional connections. In Korea, it's a little bit nearer. You've
Speaker 1: got to get through, and I'm the clown that can
Speaker 1: get through. I have a name in Korea. My name
Speaker 1: in Korea is Godzilla?
Speaker 2: Really? Godzilla?
Speaker 1: Godzilla?
Speaker 2: Why is that?
Speaker 1: Detroyer of Tokyo. Actually Godzilla was kind of an earth
Speaker 1: god protecting the earth, and it's a little bit of
Speaker 1: a mystery on why he had it in for Japan.
Speaker 1: That's not exactly clear. But the movie Godzilla was originally
Speaker 1: written by North Korean. He later immigrated got to the South,
Speaker 1: and I think he ended up in the United States somewhere.
Speaker 1: But if you Wikipedia Godzilla, you can read that little story. Amazing. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's fun.
Speaker 3: Well, I hope you don't mind if I don't call
Speaker 3: you Godzilla.
Speaker 1: Oh well, please call me Godzilla. No, it was I
Speaker 1: just told him. You know, you're not supposed to be
Speaker 1: egotistical out loud in Korea unless you're like over forty
Speaker 1: five year old male. And then they got kind of
Speaker 1: very macho. Oh wow, young people. They're not supposed to
Speaker 1: tell people I'm the great, right, but I'm the greatest
Speaker 1: putting instructor in the history of the game. And I
Speaker 1: say that to the Korean class of thirty and they
Speaker 1: look at me for a second and I go, that's
Speaker 1: because I'm Godzilla, and they bust out laughing. So we
Speaker 1: get into a different mental mode for learning. We get
Speaker 1: into the childlike mode for learning.
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have fun, we have great time.
Speaker 2: I love that story. I love that story.
Speaker 3: Tell me about the process of what the putting zone
Speaker 3: instruction is to become certified.
Speaker 1: Well, there are four skills and that was two words,
Speaker 1: not one four or reading, aiming, stroke for line and
Speaker 1: stroke for ball, pace or touch. The second word was skill. Okay,
Speaker 1: the putting zone has a definition of skill that is
Speaker 1: actually correct, but golf people don't know it. So let
Speaker 1: me define what a skill is. A skill is not
Speaker 1: you do it better than most. That's the definition of golf.
Speaker 1: These guys are good, they're better than you. And then
Speaker 1: they really like the phrase, these are the best golfers
Speaker 1: in the world. No, they're not. Okay. So, for example,
Speaker 1: Scottish Scheffler can't putt. He's terrible right now, He's barely average,
Speaker 1: but he you know, he wins like crazy. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: but for putting, he's not skillful. He's not even better
Speaker 1: than half of the two players. So for him to
Speaker 1: say he's the best putter in the world, that that's
Speaker 1: not flying. And for him to say that there's nobody
Speaker 1: on tour better than him, that doesn't fly. And so
Speaker 1: the whole idea of tour players are better than country
Speaker 1: club fat diabetic males. That's not a good definition of skill,
Speaker 1: all right, So what is the definition of skill? You know,
Speaker 1: how to operate the body to do the task of
Speaker 1: the skill, whether it's reading the putt. How do you
Speaker 1: use your body to read a putt, or if it's aiming,
Speaker 1: how do you use your body to aim the putterface correctly?
Speaker 1: Or if it's stroke for lyne, how do you use
Speaker 1: your body to make it go where you aim? Or
Speaker 1: for touch, how do you use your body to organize
Speaker 1: the velocity of impact so that the physics of your
Speaker 1: putt matches the physics required of the world. I have
Speaker 1: thirty five years of that reading brain science to answer
Speaker 1: those questions. And that's daily reading, every day, heavy duty neuroscience,
Speaker 1: not blogny, not watered down psychology today versions the hot
Speaker 1: off the griddle studies with all the complicated statistical analysis
Speaker 1: of data, blah blah blah. And I know more about
Speaker 1: the brain science of putting than anyone who's ever lived,
Speaker 1: no question about it. I never even met somebody in
Speaker 1: golf that thinks they know much about it, other than
Speaker 1: one particular guy, and he doesn't know how to apply
Speaker 1: brain science. To apply brain science, you have to have
Speaker 1: the big picture of how the brain works. And don't
Speaker 1: get lost in the mlution. You're not a science just
Speaker 1: working at Harvard to cure Alzheimer's disease. You want to
Speaker 1: know how you reach for a cup of coffee, how
Speaker 1: you throw a pair of socks in a bucket, how
Speaker 1: you put a basketball in the hoop, and how you
Speaker 1: put a ball into a hawk. Okay, that's big picture stuff,
Speaker 1: and I'm the guy, the only one ever, and it
Speaker 1: probably won't be anybody else ever, because there's a lot
Speaker 1: of work. Thirty five years. I have probably three hundred
Speaker 1: brain books in my house. There are five hundred that
Speaker 1: I've read, and then there's about two thousand neuroscience articles
Speaker 1: that I've digested and stored in my computer and read
Speaker 1: occasionally and write articles about it. I write two articles
Speaker 1: a day for the past forty two months, every day
Speaker 1: them every week forty two months is one thousand, two
Speaker 1: hundred and so many days sixty one, two hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty days in a row. Two articles a day, maybe
Speaker 1: one out of eight of those of brain science articles.
Speaker 1: Right now, the count of how many articles I've written
Speaker 1: on that, on putting science is two thousand, five hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty five articles in forty two months. That doesn't
Speaker 1: count the book I wrote, the other formal articles I
Speaker 1: hand out like candy, or the approximately fifty to one
Speaker 1: hundred videos that I've made. This is daily article writing.
Speaker 1: I wrote two articles today on on how vision works
Speaker 1: when you imagine things and whether that's good or bad?
Speaker 1: Stuff like that, How that applies to reading a putt?
Speaker 2: Why the obsession with the brain science and putting?
Speaker 1: When I started all this research back in nineteen ninety,
Speaker 1: which was ten years of research before I even started teaching.
Speaker 1: Who does that I do ten years? I don't know
Speaker 1: anybody who's done or even up in their mouth in
Speaker 1: charts fifty bucks. But anyway, I did ten years and
Speaker 1: five of that was literary or literature research on what
Speaker 1: has already been said and written in golf about pain.
Speaker 1: And that's a five year project just to find it
Speaker 1: and then go get it and read it. And what
Speaker 1: you find out is that before you start reading all
Speaker 1: that mass of information to fill your brain with what's
Speaker 1: good and bad, you do a logger thing. You clarify
Speaker 1: why you are reading anything, any book or art. And
Speaker 1: to do that you have to invite a martian down
Speaker 1: to watch a golfer putt on the green and then
Speaker 1: ask him what are the skills? And the martian says,
Speaker 1: he reads the putt, he aims the start line of
Speaker 1: the read, he puts straight, and he puts a pace
Speaker 1: control or else he doesn't do as good as he misses.
Speaker 1: But those are four skills reading, aiming, stroking touch. Right now,
Speaker 1: with that templating mind, then you sort all the literature
Speaker 1: into big buckets, one big fifty five gallon barrel for reading, aiming,
Speaker 1: stroking touch, and then you turn the lights on, get
Speaker 1: your coffee, start reading one bucket at a time, and
Speaker 1: then you get the shock, the big shock. The reading
Speaker 1: bucket has one book down at the bottom, and that's it.
Speaker 1: There's a guy in ha Templeton, the Air Force, Lieutenant
Speaker 1: colonel road Book. He spent a year or two. He
Speaker 1: commandeered the whole Air Force golf course and he stretched
Speaker 1: strings across the top of every green, and then he
Speaker 1: measured down and he made a topographic map with maybe
Speaker 1: ten inch squares. Then he did scientific experiments, and then
Speaker 1: he did engineering experiments, and then he did physics research
Speaker 1: on how ball's curve on slope. And then he made
Speaker 1: a set of charts. If you're standing here, there's a
Speaker 1: fall line, or what he called the zero brake line.
Speaker 1: And if you're standing if that imagined to be six twelve,
Speaker 1: you're standing at seven o'clock. That's going to break left
Speaker 1: to right, and he'll tell you how many inches above
Speaker 1: the center of the cup to aim on the zero
Speaker 1: break line. He wrote a whole series of charts about that.
Speaker 1: That's the only book in the whole history of golf
Speaker 1: ever written about how to read the putt. And it's
Speaker 1: only Matt all right now. Doctor Gary Wyron wrote the
Speaker 1: PGA Manual of Instruction nineteen eighty six, and he's an
Speaker 1: educational psychologist, so he has a little academic background. He
Speaker 1: restarts reading before he wrote the manual, and he said, whoop,
Speaker 1: nothing here but this guy from Texas, and he admitted
Speaker 1: that he didn't know anything about putting, so he quoted
Speaker 1: the guy in the manual. And that's all he did
Speaker 1: for reading putts in the manual. I've met tens of
Speaker 1: thousands of PJ of America people that took the train,
Speaker 1: and not a single one of them remembers the name Templeton. Wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: Now I set up a guy teaching petting using Templeton's system.
Speaker 1: His name is Michael Shy. He's from California and he
Speaker 1: was the Chambeau's coach for a long time. All right,
Speaker 1: So that's one bucket there ain't nothing in there. The
Speaker 1: aiming bucket has a little bit about get behind the
Speaker 1: ball and use your dominant eye and get behind the
Speaker 1: ball and aim the line on the ball, and very
Speaker 1: little else. Well, there's nothing about how to stand beside
Speaker 1: the ball and look at a putterface and say, where
Speaker 1: does that putterface? Ninety degree aim? Go and point at
Speaker 1: a grass blade twenty three feet away. There was a
Speaker 1: trick in the fifth and the sixties that nobody today remembers,
Speaker 1: but it accidentally got it kind of right. But I'm
Speaker 1: the originator of aiming beside the ball, and I'm the
Speaker 1: only person that even teaches it. All right, So that's
Speaker 1: the aim bucket.
Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, aim beside the ball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you look at a butterface. You got to know
Speaker 1: whether you pointed it correctly at the target. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: another one does how to teach it. I checked nobody else.
Speaker 1: I created that. Okay, Now for the stroke, everybody's got
Speaker 1: an opinion, just like everybody's got a mouth or another anatomy.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, right, another forty thousands on the stroke. All right,
Speaker 1: So forget that bucket. There's a bunch of snakes crawling
Speaker 1: out of the bucket, toutch bucket. Nothing, there's a sticky
Speaker 1: way down to the bottom of the bucket. From twenty
Speaker 1: and ten the ABC broadcast of the British Open from
Speaker 1: Paul Aisinger watching Tiger Woods. The sticky says, look at
Speaker 1: that tiger's touch. You can't teach that. You can't learn that,
Speaker 1: you have to be born with that. That's the only
Speaker 1: thing in the whole touch bucket history of golf I checked,
Speaker 1: all right. Now, when you do that five years of
Speaker 1: research and you organize all the literature and then you
Speaker 1: read it one bucket at a time, you look at
Speaker 1: golf teachers as kind of dumb. That was from eighteen
Speaker 1: thirty to two thousand and eight, so that's like seventy
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy eight years of research nothing all
Speaker 1: right now. At that point I sat about saying, I'm
Speaker 1: still going to learn how to do it, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to look in scientists scientifically. What would I need
Speaker 1: to know to figure out how to read a putt,
Speaker 1: how to aim a putter, how to stroke it where
Speaker 1: you aim, and how to do pace control and everything
Speaker 1: that I kept thinking about. The words were perception and movement,
Speaker 1: And then I said Okay, well, let's study perception and
Speaker 1: movement in the context of putty. So what you end
Speaker 1: up with is there's an assortment of science that you
Speaker 1: need to apply to the skills of putty or the
Speaker 1: tasks of putting. One is brain science and one is physics.
Speaker 1: Then you have to understand something about greens and grass,
Speaker 1: and then you have to understand something about human anatomy, perception, brains, physics, movement,
Speaker 1: all those and I got busy. I'm a busy little
Speaker 1: obsession conupposed to be, and I've been studying those sciences.
Speaker 1: I already had fifty years of Okay, now I've got
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand books in my house. If you want to
Speaker 1: challenge me on that, I got fifteen thousand books in
Speaker 1: my house collecting death, and I got twenty this week. Yes,
Speaker 1: all right, But when you apply these sciences, you end
Speaker 1: up saying, man, God, people really need to learn something.
Speaker 1: For example, how do you read a putt? If you
Speaker 1: ask any professional player on the PGA tour, tell the
Speaker 1: thirteen year old kid what to do when you read
Speaker 1: a putt, they got nothing. Nothing. I just watched the
Speaker 1: big video by Scottie Scheffler yesterday on Golf Digest where
Speaker 1: he's he and his coach Rick Smith and Dallas are
Speaker 1: talking about how to read it put and it basically
Speaker 1: was stand here, stand there, feel something and steady green.
Speaker 1: The USGA agronomists have been warning golfers that they got
Speaker 1: reddy grain in almost everywhere except deepest, darkest South Florida.
Speaker 1: Since nineteen eighty eighty one, there was a sea change
Speaker 1: in golf for greens. Different way to build greens so
Speaker 1: they have healthier grass, healthier root systems, different ways to
Speaker 1: mow them and take care of them, birdy cutting, top
Speaker 1: dressing and criss cross mowing and all that, and better
Speaker 1: equipment for mowing the Toro triplex mowers, better care of greens,
Speaker 1: and that system of lower mowing got it below the
Speaker 1: height where grain actually matters. And the system of crisscross
Speaker 1: cutting and verty cutting and top dressing got rid of
Speaker 1: grain also, so grain just doesn't have a chance to
Speaker 1: matter today. And the USGA agronomists have been worning golfers,
Speaker 1: especially Johnny Miller on NBC, always yacking about the grain.
Speaker 1: These turplo pros actually believe in the grain on the green.
Speaker 1: Now it's possible to scrape it, but it's not big
Speaker 1: enough to matter. Now. What confused them, I think is
Speaker 1: that the fringes are sharply downhill and longer grass, and
Speaker 1: they have fringe and if you chip into the grain
Speaker 1: from the fringe, you killy it. And then they get
Speaker 1: on the green and they confuse that fringe grain with
Speaker 1: believing in the grain on the green, when it's really
Speaker 1: just faster green speed downhill, slow green uphill. So I
Speaker 1: watched Scottie Scheffler and Rick smith yacking about the grain,
Speaker 1: and I'm going that ain't how you read to put.
Speaker 1: Then you close, you see where the fall line is.
Speaker 1: You appreciate the steepness of the slope, You appreciate the
Speaker 1: green speed. And these words are appreciate. That's what brains do.
Speaker 1: They don't look for numbers, and they appreciate that. And
Speaker 1: then if you put the bass speed in your mind,
Speaker 1: your brain actually predicts the curve, literally predicts the very
Speaker 1: curve that matches the actual physics. Soanes predict physics. All right, now,
Speaker 1: let me speed this up to you to put a
Speaker 1: nail right in your forehead right there.
Speaker 2: Don't heard me?
Speaker 1: Why animals have brains to predict the world's physics because
Speaker 1: animals move and plants don't move. Animals have a brain
Speaker 1: and plants don't have a brain. And the main purpose
Speaker 1: that animals have brains is moving is dangerous, and they
Speaker 1: have to match the physics of their limb motions to
Speaker 1: the actual requirements of the external physics of the world
Speaker 1: or they're dead. Okay, now that's the sentence that nobody
Speaker 1: at Harvard can actually say. They don't get that. The
Speaker 1: top neuroscience guy for the brain sense of movement is
Speaker 1: a French guy named Elaine Beethols. And I've read his books.
Speaker 1: I'm upseessing compulsive, and I'm way out there. He does
Speaker 1: not get what I just told you. It's not in
Speaker 1: his book. I know what's in the brain, and I
Speaker 1: know why, and I know how it got there, and
Speaker 1: I know what it means for paying brains prevent you
Speaker 1: from running your hogwart little face into the wall of
Speaker 1: hogwart station. That's magical because nobody can actually do it,
Speaker 1: because their brain will stop you. You can't do it.
Speaker 1: And so for touch control, if you imagine putting past
Speaker 1: the little hole down downhill on the green is running
Speaker 1: your faces into a wall, and you imagine pain and injury.
Speaker 1: Your brain will give you the tank of gas that
Speaker 1: will not go past it, and then you can't. You
Speaker 1: load the tanky gas with one tempo and you spend it,
Speaker 1: and that vigor of the load is preloaded into the
Speaker 1: muscle that makes your backswing so that it does not
Speaker 1: go too big. No such thing as too big of
Speaker 1: a backstroke when you're athletic.
Speaker 2: I don't you know. I've been told I overthink it.
Speaker 3: The only equipment you've talked about so far in putting.
Speaker 2: Is lawnmowers.
Speaker 3: You've not seen anything else about the equipment that we use.
Speaker 1: That's because golf people are really wacky nuts by the
Speaker 1: marketing of putters. Putters don't matter if it's a flat
Speaker 1: slab at the end of a stick. What's different from
Speaker 1: this one to that one? Well, maybe he'll toe waiting,
Speaker 1: maybe big MLI, but big boys. When you rip a
Speaker 1: putter with sufficient firmness of your hand, all the little
Speaker 1: physics is completely destroyed. Now it's up to you square
Speaker 1: straight online swing and it takes a grip pressure of
Speaker 1: three on scale of one to ten to completely erase
Speaker 1: all the little magic of the tiny physics of Scottie
Speaker 1: Cameron putters and lab putters and or whatever you want
Speaker 1: to name. None of it matters.
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, wait, wait, you brought up lab the liight
Speaker 3: angle balance putters. Now I've become a big fan. I'm
Speaker 3: kind of a lab rat.
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 3: Are you saying that? That's also marketing hype as well
Speaker 3: as the heel balance, toe balanced all that.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, There's two things you need to know about
Speaker 1: lab marketing. One is the way they harness it and
Speaker 1: make it swing is not real. You don't ever have
Speaker 1: zero grip pressure on the putter, okay, so if you
Speaker 1: actually grip it and swing it, it won't do with
Speaker 1: that frame they use. Shows you. Second, if you align
Speaker 1: the center of gravity of the putter head with the shaft,
Speaker 1: then you have eliminated certain factors of torque and imbalance.
Speaker 1: But that's not the only reason that putters do curves
Speaker 1: and arcs and come out of the plane. There is
Speaker 1: torque towards your feet, right, they are addressing head torque
Speaker 1: where there's not a fat person sitting on the toe
Speaker 1: and a skinny person sitting on the hill. That's torque
Speaker 1: of the head. I'm talking about the whole torque because
Speaker 1: the on the light angle when you get it off
Speaker 1: the ground, it's going to fall to your feet into
Speaker 1: vertical equilibrium in gravity. That torque, right when you stick
Speaker 1: your arms out away from your body so that your
Speaker 1: hands are not neutral in gravity, that torque is fifteen
Speaker 1: times more powerful than the putter tork. All right, So
Speaker 1: they don't know anything about that. I have tried to
Speaker 1: tell them, but as soon as I say that their
Speaker 1: statements are not perfect, they go stick their fingers in
Speaker 1: there and hate you, hate you, hate you. All right.
Speaker 1: I'm seriously, you know, I can't help it. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to help these people not mess up golfers by
Speaker 1: claiming stuff that's scientifically goofy. They don't even know about
Speaker 1: the torque of putters that fall towards your feet. If
Speaker 1: you make a backstroke and your grip is too weak,
Speaker 1: the backstroke will go kind of straight, because that's anatomical
Speaker 1: that you you you just contracted a peck muscle. Your
Speaker 1: arms can go very straight across your body, but the
Speaker 1: torque of the droop towards your feet will combine with
Speaker 1: going straight back, and it makes it look like a curve.
Speaker 1: If you have the one grip pressure instead of a
Speaker 1: three one has a big curve to the inside. If
Speaker 1: you have a two grip pressure, it is half of that.
Speaker 1: If you have a three grip pressure, it doesn't ark
Speaker 1: any at all. That's the golfer's grip pressure, not anybody
Speaker 1: designing the putter. And so I've explained all this to L. A. B.
Speaker 1: And they just stick their fingers in the ears and
Speaker 1: the start houlering, hate you, hate you hate.
Speaker 2: You Are you saying that because it's a center shafted putter,
Speaker 2: center shafting, you're you're removing the torque.
Speaker 1: Center shafting and the center of gravity of the putter. Okay,
Speaker 1: you take a putterhead shape, there are three dimensions on
Speaker 1: where the center of the gravity is depending on the shape. Okay,
Speaker 1: a flange putter, the center of gravity is probably halfway
Speaker 1: from heel to toe, halfway from bottom to top, and
Speaker 1: halfway from front to back because it's a little rectangle
Speaker 1: and a cube sort of a three dimensional rectangle lab
Speaker 1: has a bigger back, all right, So the center of
Speaker 1: gravity is not near the shaft, is one or so
Speaker 1: inches away from the shaft to the back, and a
Speaker 1: lot of putters do not center that center of gravity
Speaker 1: behind the shaft. All right. Now, Usually if you have
Speaker 1: a center shafted puddle and you lift it off the
Speaker 1: ground and the center of gravity is back to the right,
Speaker 1: that putters. Since you lift it so off the ground,
Speaker 1: it will twist to the right. That's they've done something
Speaker 1: that reduces that. But if you grip it so that
Speaker 1: you take care of the droop torque from the li angle,
Speaker 1: that grip overwhelms whatever they did with the with the
Speaker 1: head check design not relevant. What grip pressure do you
Speaker 1: use with your putter?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm now using a broomstick putter.
Speaker 1: Oh so you switched switched lab. Okay, what grip pressure
Speaker 1: on scale of.
Speaker 2: One to ten, Probably like a three or four? Very light.
Speaker 3: But you know I've got my left hand, you know,
Speaker 3: thumb on top of the putter the grip and the
Speaker 3: second one very uh and then my three fingers on
Speaker 3: the left hand on the top are very light. And
Speaker 3: then I'm probably just you know, holding it in between
Speaker 3: my middle finger and my ring finger on my right
Speaker 3: hand very lightly, just to guide it.
Speaker 2: And you know, using a pendulum.
Speaker 1: Real, do you got it straight back?
Speaker 2: It feels like it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet you don't, because l AB tells you
Speaker 1: that you don't need to l A B tells you
Speaker 1: that whatever arc you make, the putter will stay square
Speaker 1: to that pat Okay, okay, even if that's true, bad putting,
Speaker 1: But my putting improved. You got so, yeah, but you
Speaker 1: sucked still improvement. He actually knew.
Speaker 2: What Well, that's the whole idea. We all suck well.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't teach people that just want to
Speaker 1: suck less. I don't teach people that want to suck less.
Speaker 1: I could teach people that want to suck less. I
Speaker 1: could sell all kinds of goofy little training aids, but
Speaker 1: that's not what I do. What I teach is real skill,
Speaker 1: better as good as you can possibly get. We don't
Speaker 1: start less.
Speaker 2: Are there putters on the market that you approve of?
Speaker 1: Absolutely not?
Speaker 2: Have you designed the ultimate putter? No? Wait, are you
Speaker 2: going to do that?
Speaker 1: Wouldn't make it. He was too egotistically made. He bought
Speaker 1: a pudder from Tad more than Tad had stuck in
Speaker 1: a drawer, and then he asked me to sell his pudd.
Speaker 1: I've been teaching his sixteen year old kid from sixteen
Speaker 1: to twenty two for free on my nickel. Six hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty miles away and this is uh, he's gonna
Speaker 1: help me. And this is how he helped me, said
Speaker 1: design pudder. I designed one and sent it to him,
Speaker 1: and then he bought a tad more made his unputter
Speaker 1: and asked me to sell it for him with a video.
Speaker 2: Wait, wait a minute, I missed who you're talking about.
Speaker 1: His name is Bob Kotch, medical swinger. For six years
Speaker 1: he was going to help me maybe, and then he
Speaker 1: never helped me, and he asked me to help him
Speaker 1: sell his pudder. Oh ouch, Yeah, Well, I mean that's
Speaker 1: that's the experience that I've had repeatedly dealing with people
Speaker 1: that tell me, you know, I could help you and
Speaker 1: I will help you, and you know, years go by
Speaker 1: and they never did.
Speaker 3: So wait a minute, are you saying that it doesn't
Speaker 3: matter what piece of equipment you used.
Speaker 1: It's a flat slab on the end of a stick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you let me tell you what pudder you want.
Speaker 2: Ah, We're going to do that in a moment. Okay.
Speaker 3: I guess we've been waiting this entire time for your
Speaker 3: advice on what putter you would recommend so that we
Speaker 3: suck less.
Speaker 1: The same one. Jack Nicholas is to win the Masters
Speaker 1: when he was forty six years old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's not going to sell it to us.
Speaker 2: And there was only one. There's only one of those putters,
Speaker 2: his butter.
Speaker 1: Big McGregor. He used a different putter that week, really
Speaker 1: huge McGregor, a very large area flat pudd.
Speaker 2: Was it a blad style but just really big?
Speaker 1: Oh no, It was like a frying pan, a square
Speaker 1: rectangular frying pan with a stick attached to it.
Speaker 2: And why was he using that? How did this come about?
Speaker 1: He was having success with it, so he put it
Speaker 1: in the bag and he used to the masters, you
Speaker 1: don't know what I do. Let me tell you why
Speaker 1: it's good. Yeah, A no wobble roll rolls perpendicular to
Speaker 1: the plane of the green. And that means that your
Speaker 1: impact cannot be toe up or held up, because then
Speaker 1: you will make a wobble. And that means that your
Speaker 1: putter's soul has to conform to ball below the feet
Speaker 1: slope or ball above the feet slope, and your stroke
Speaker 1: has to keep it flat through impact. Then you get
Speaker 1: through wobble, through wobble, no wobble roll. All right. You
Speaker 1: have to think about bicycles in the hippodrome. They go
Speaker 1: perpendicular to the slanted track, not perpendicularly. Gravity Balls don't
Speaker 1: roll perpendicularly to gravity unless you're putting on the floor
Speaker 1: a level. Golfers always confuse the two words flat and level.
Speaker 1: They cannot get those distinguished.
Speaker 2: Please distinguish them for me.
Speaker 1: Level means the table top has all points equal elevation
Speaker 1: above the sea, and if you pour water on it,
Speaker 1: the water doesn't go anywhere. Flat could be tilted, but
Speaker 1: flat the table is still flat, but you tilted it.
Speaker 2: And all greens are kind of tilted. They have to be.
Speaker 1: When they mean they meant level, they just say the
Speaker 1: word flat. Oh okay, so that's bad. A putting stroke
Speaker 1: on a level surface like a basketball cord or marble,
Speaker 1: the putter soul would slide into the ball and that
Speaker 1: will go no wobble, true rolling plane of rotation. Take
Speaker 1: the break correctly because it's no wobble, and take the
Speaker 1: paste control correctly because there's no wobble. All right, So,
Speaker 1: ball below the feet, you got to flatten your putter
Speaker 1: and scrape it across that grass without the toe coming up,
Speaker 1: with the eel coming up. Ball above the feet, you
Speaker 1: got to scrape it across that slope. Right, So flat
Speaker 1: is actually a big dag on deal, and the bigger
Speaker 1: the flat soul is. That's weird in golf because golfers
Speaker 1: always making little rockers under the putter. The bottom of
Speaker 1: the putters of a Scottie Cameron is a rocker. There's
Speaker 1: very little that's actually flat, and that encourages bad putting,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Scottie. It's part of selling putters to people
Speaker 1: in gofsmiths stores when they go in there and pull
Speaker 1: it off the shelf and they set it down, toe up,
Speaker 1: they like it. They set it down, heel up, they
Speaker 1: like it. It's a marketing thing, not a performance thing.
Speaker 1: But if you get a big flat putter, you can
Speaker 1: hardly put anywhere other than where you exactly aim. It's
Speaker 1: too big to mess it up. You try to lift
Speaker 1: the toe on that putter, that McGregor putter that Jack
Speaker 1: Nichols used, it's hard to do it. There's too much heal.
Speaker 1: You lift it up, you're just digging the heel in.
Speaker 1: You try to lift the heel up, you're digging the
Speaker 1: toe in. That's because it's big and flat, and that
Speaker 1: means you hit no oval rolls exactly where you aim.
Speaker 1: Because it's big and flat. Now, if the USGA actually
Speaker 1: knew how these things work, they would ban it. There's
Speaker 1: a friend of mine who is a little amateur guy.
Speaker 1: He's like seventy five year old psychiatrist named James Payne
Speaker 1: Payn and he recently retired. He lives in Chapel Hill.
Speaker 1: He made a putter and he's enthusiastic because it does great.
Speaker 1: But it's the same thing as McGregor. Because he don't
Speaker 1: even know about the McGregor putter, because he's just an
Speaker 1: amateur peeling around with stuff. He actually reinvented the McGregor
Speaker 1: putter with a big flat bottom. You stick a shaft
Speaker 1: down there and then you slide it. You can't hardly
Speaker 1: miss where you ain't. You got the aim right, It
Speaker 1: goes in. So I teach I don't care about your putter.
Speaker 1: Here about flat, no wobble, straight rolls exactly where you aim.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that and if i'm please correct me
Speaker 3: if I'm misinterpreting it. But that's what the lab light.
Speaker 3: And you lie it flat.
Speaker 2: It's lying flat on the ground.
Speaker 1: No but arc it and they tell you that you
Speaker 1: can hark it painlessly because the lab physics of the
Speaker 1: head torque will stay on plane even when you ark it.
Speaker 1: And then they tell you that when you unark it
Speaker 1: back to the impact point, it will perfectly hit exactly
Speaker 1: where you were aimed. And that's bogus b e es
Speaker 1: focus bog bogy All right, here's here. Let me just
Speaker 1: talk about brad facts and can't put.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, I asked you to be controversial.
Speaker 1: All you got to do is look at the Southern
Speaker 1: California PGA YouTube of one hour where he's paid probably
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars to tell war stories of teaching. Michaelroy
Speaker 1: and he's out there, he has one ten foot putt
Speaker 1: and he says, I aim the line on the ball,
Speaker 1: and I'm one of the first to ever use the
Speaker 1: line on the ball, and I always ain't the line
Speaker 1: on the ball, but I refuse to match my butterface
Speaker 1: aim to the line on the ball because that would
Speaker 1: cramp my touch and feel. And then he arcs back
Speaker 1: and then he says, I shut the door at impact.
Speaker 1: All right, that's what he teaches, and he's he claims
Speaker 1: he's one of the best putters ever in the history
Speaker 1: of the world. All right. He had one point seven
Speaker 1: oh four putts for Green regulation when he was putting,
Speaker 1: and he did good. But Jordan Speith had one point
Speaker 1: six y nine. So the five or six guys in
Speaker 1: the last five years have done better than Faction in
Speaker 1: as crazy as best year ever. Two other golfers did
Speaker 1: the same thing as Faction, David Toms and David Frost.
Speaker 1: One guy named Bob Hans did one point six eight
Speaker 1: two in the year two thousand and five, which is
Speaker 1: way way better than Brad faxon. All right, but here's
Speaker 1: the deal. Five putts from ten feet. The aim of
Speaker 1: the ball is one foot to the left of the hole.
Speaker 1: He missed four to the right four, and then he
Speaker 1: made the fifth one actually win. In the halt. His
Speaker 1: aim was correct all five, his reed was correct all five.
Speaker 1: And he said, well, it must have been my read
Speaker 1: was wrong because I'm teaching in southern California and there's
Speaker 1: the ocean somewhere, and there's mountain somewhere, and that makes
Speaker 1: me a funny reader because I'm from Providence, Rhode Island,
Speaker 1: or wherever he's from. Okay, now that explanation of why
Speaker 1: he missed the first four when he's aiming the line
Speaker 1: on ball and the fifth one actually went in that's
Speaker 1: completely ignorant, bad logic, stupid miss at that point, he
Speaker 1: missed it because his stroke and didn't go and where
Speaker 1: he games. He can't close the door accurately. He arcs,
Speaker 1: but he can't unarc. Okay, Now, all these people that
Speaker 1: arc in unarc, including the people that La B encourages
Speaker 1: to arc. No putters don't unark themselves. You got to
Speaker 1: do it. And if it's arcing because of the torque droop,
Speaker 1: you got no way in the world to unark that.
Speaker 1: You can't unarched. You can't undroop your torquefall. Now there's
Speaker 1: two other ways that putter's arc and you don't know
Speaker 1: whether you're doing it or not. I see all these
Speaker 1: people I teach, they have no clue on whether they're
Speaker 1: actually putting straight. One is you roll your forearms. The
Speaker 1: front arm pronates palm down, the back arm supinates palm up.
Speaker 1: That's the backstroke. Then you reverse that, suppenate the lead arm,
Speaker 1: pronate the back arm through impact. That's full swing habit.
Speaker 1: All the pros do that because they don't know what
Speaker 1: else to do. They get out there and they done
Speaker 1: five hours on the driving range, and they step on
Speaker 1: the putting green for thirty minutes to an hour. They
Speaker 1: rolled their forearms back and through. It's in all their movies.
Speaker 1: It's in all their videos. Colin more Cowa can't put Colin.
Speaker 1: He hired a swing coach or a putting coach named
Speaker 1: Jeff Sweeney or I believe it is his name, Stephen Swing,
Speaker 1: Steve Swing, Australian guy teaching in southern Florid And Sweeney said,
Speaker 1: I think I know what's wrong with your petting. And
Speaker 1: Colin said, well, God, about time somebody did what's wrong.
Speaker 1: And Sweeney said, you're using your full swing motion. And
Speaker 1: Colin said, why is that bad? And Sweeney said, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but it's not working. What should I do?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, So he noticed that the full
Speaker 1: swing pro nation of the arms and hands was happening
Speaker 1: in the pudding and that wasn't working too good. All right, now,
Speaker 1: let's see who was the other guy just recently. I
Speaker 1: think it was might have been might have been Cheffer.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. But they noticed for the first time
Speaker 1: in their life that when they stroke, their shoulder goes
Speaker 1: back in the through stroke. No coach ever told him,
Speaker 1: no friend ever told him. No caddy ever told him.
Speaker 1: No fellow tour player ever noticed it and said, hey,
Speaker 1: that's not good. The first time they ever noticed that,
Speaker 1: they had already been playing golf for about ten or
Speaker 1: fifteen years, and they had been on tour for four
Speaker 1: or five years, and they just noticed that the shoulder
Speaker 1: goes that way. That's the third way that you do
Speaker 1: things that make it arc. You rotate your torso. That's
Speaker 1: what all golfers do on the driving ranch their torso
Speaker 1: ten years into playing serious golf, and that's the first
Speaker 1: time he notices that. And you say, well, what should
Speaker 1: you do instead? Blank? Nothing? All right, Now, let me
Speaker 1: tell you what Crenshaw does. Because he goes arking to
Speaker 1: the inside, he comes back to the ball, and if
Speaker 1: he doesn't time it right, he's dead. But when he
Speaker 1: comes back to the ball, he changes to vertical, and
Speaker 1: when he gets back to the ball, his lead shoulder
Speaker 1: goes up from the ball to his foot. And the
Speaker 1: telltale sign is if you stood down the line at
Speaker 1: the hole and look back at his putter and took
Speaker 1: a picture when it's one foot past impact, the sweet
Speaker 1: spot is directly above the line of the stroke, and
Speaker 1: the faces square and his shoulder went up from the
Speaker 1: ball to the foot. Ain't nobody knows that but me.
Speaker 2: He doesn't know it, And you're saying that is correct.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that he fixed a bad backstroke. Okay, he
Speaker 1: has to do a perfect timing. Now, he's got a
Speaker 1: video The Art of Hutting with Ben Crenshaw BHS. Right
Speaker 1: in the middle of that video, he's got a thirty
Speaker 1: foot up he'll put and he says, I'm going to
Speaker 1: sink two of them. Boom. The first one he hits
Speaker 1: four feet wrong to the right us like faction. And
Speaker 1: the second one I think he sank it or he
Speaker 1: got a lot closer to the left. But he did
Speaker 1: not comment on that first one because he did not
Speaker 1: know what was wrong. I do his stroke did not
Speaker 1: close because he misstimed it. All right, So you do
Speaker 1: an arcing stroke. You have to time every single one
Speaker 1: of those perfectly. If you're like a nano second off.
Speaker 1: If you're too late closing, you go to the right.
Speaker 1: If you're too early closing, you go to the left. Now,
Speaker 1: the accuracy of your line control from ten feet away.
Speaker 1: If you have a dead straight putt to the center
Speaker 1: of a cup ten feet away, one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: inches away, and from the center of the cup to
Speaker 1: the right edge of the cup is two and one
Speaker 1: eighth of an inch. If you misstroke it by one degree,
Speaker 1: you miss the right edge, all right? Now, how much
Speaker 1: of the toe is out of square? The very end
Speaker 1: of that toe is moved? How much to the right
Speaker 1: when you misstroke at one degree point zero three inches? Wow? Okay,
Speaker 1: that's not a tenth of an inch, that's one third
Speaker 1: of the tenth of an inch, and you're dead all right,
Speaker 1: But flat fixes all that, Jeff.
Speaker 3: So many of us when we're out on the golf course,
Speaker 3: we have a GPS with us, or we have a
Speaker 3: rangefinder with us, and we're looking at like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: one hundred and forty yards to the pin, or I'm
Speaker 3: you know, two hundred yards, or I'm fifty yards to
Speaker 3: the pin, but we're trying to get distances there.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about the fact.
Speaker 3: That so many people don't really concern themselves with the
Speaker 3: exact distance they are from the hole when they're starting
Speaker 3: their first putt or any putt for that matter, and
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, it's feel it's just kind of like
Speaker 3: I got a sense of where it is over there?
Speaker 2: How what is your your instruction about walking off the
Speaker 2: distance of your putts.
Speaker 1: I don't want to number. I want a.
Speaker 2: Fact, and a number is not a fact.
Speaker 1: Appreciate the distance as a fact.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Fact means if I had to walk to it, how
Speaker 1: many places in a military parade stride would take And
Speaker 1: the answer is twelve that's thirty feet away. Four military
Speaker 1: parade steps is ten feet. Each military pride step is
Speaker 1: two and a half feet thirty inches. And if you
Speaker 1: don't do the parade step stride correctly in the military,
Speaker 1: you make the whole parade look like crap, and they
Speaker 1: give you KP and work you make you go dig latrine.
Speaker 1: Hope if everybody in the military knows two point five strides,
Speaker 1: and if you look from here to the hole and
Speaker 1: you say how far is it? The first indication is
Speaker 1: how many steps would it be? If I did relitary stripes,
Speaker 1: And you can get within two or three feet just
Speaker 1: by looking. You don't need to walk it off. But
Speaker 1: that is effort, not number. Okay. Now, Uphill is more
Speaker 1: effort uphill. Downhill is less effort downhill. Sure, other things
Speaker 1: you can do is you can look at a cup
Speaker 1: the size of a real cup. If you move it away,
Speaker 1: the size regularly shrinks in a parent width. Okay, the
Speaker 1: real size is this big right at your nose, like
Speaker 1: you're going to drink from a cup liner four and
Speaker 1: a half inches or four and a quarter inches wide.
Speaker 1: There you go. And if you move that away from you,
Speaker 1: it's a certain width, a parent width at ten feet,
Speaker 1: and if you move it to twenty feet, it's half
Speaker 1: that width. And if you move it to thirty feet,
Speaker 1: it's one third of that whip that it was at
Speaker 1: ten ten feet. The appearance, that's a brain way of
Speaker 1: looking at distance, not a number. You have to appreciate
Speaker 1: the distance as a fact right now. In distance control,
Speaker 1: that has to be related to your tempo and rhythm,
Speaker 1: that effort. And then when you do that, you say,
Speaker 1: go to the hole and stop. Don't break your glass
Speaker 1: if it's sitting there. Don't go screaming past the hole.
Speaker 1: That's like a stick in the eye. If there's a
Speaker 1: cliff of California and the Pacific Ocean that's just past
Speaker 1: the hole, don't give me enough gas to go off
Speaker 1: the cliff. Give me enough gas to get there and stop.
Speaker 1: The brain does that and then when you make your stroke,
Speaker 1: that's athletic. Right now, The golf world went kind of
Speaker 1: off the rails with numbers. When Jack Nicholas started using
Speaker 1: artist books in the sixties, that was illegal. That was
Speaker 1: called using an artificial device. Wow. The USJ tapped him
Speaker 1: on the shoulder and said, you get DQ's if you
Speaker 1: use the artist book. And Jack Nichols said, I'm on TV,
Speaker 1: I'm a tour player. We got our own rules.
Speaker 2: Buf Whow, I never heard that story. That's amazing, look up.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the USJ chicking out. They didn't want to
Speaker 1: defy TV's Greatest Golfer or the tour and said chicken out,
Speaker 1: and they did said nothing, And then they changed the
Speaker 1: rule and made an exception to using an artificial device
Speaker 1: gets you disqualified. And the exception said, if a lot
Speaker 1: of golfers do it and think it's okay, it's cheating
Speaker 1: because it's not skillful. And that's why you can't use
Speaker 1: artificial devices. You got to use your own personal skill.
Speaker 1: But if a lot of golfers cheat, we're not going
Speaker 1: to say no. We will say instead that this form
Speaker 1: of cheating has been traditionally accepted and you won't right now,
Speaker 1: Arnold Palmer chimed in because he was like ten years older, sure,
Speaker 1: and he said, use your eye. You're not athletic if
Speaker 1: you use a book. Right now. In putting, one club
Speaker 1: goes a thousand different distances the putt. In chipping, a
Speaker 1: chipping club goes a thousand different distances. In pitching, a
Speaker 1: pitch club goes a thousand different distances. A sand bunker
Speaker 1: club goes different distances. That's a little different because you
Speaker 1: got to calibrate how much sandy get. But putting, chipping,
Speaker 1: and pitching those require athletic targeting on where your ball stops,
Speaker 1: and they don't do that. They do yards instead, and
Speaker 1: they get all kind of in between when the yard
Speaker 1: isn't exactly what they've been hitting on the driving range,
Speaker 1: all right, So they actually would do better if they
Speaker 1: knew more about targeting. And that's what I teach. I
Speaker 1: teach skill, perception, intentionality. The brains will do the physics.
Speaker 1: The brain will come up with the force of the
Speaker 1: swing to pop it right down at the hole. Now,
Speaker 1: the example is a nineteen year old, pretty serious amateur
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five yard pit shot from the
Speaker 1: top of a hill down to a green slanting a
Speaker 1: little bit away from the fairway flagstick right in the middle,
Speaker 1: and the green is kind of narrow left and right
Speaker 1: long front to back. He hit one down there and
Speaker 1: it went off the back. I said, okay, let me
Speaker 1: fix you. Take a yellow plastic wet floor sign that
Speaker 1: says Pizzo mahido and put it likely behind the flag
Speaker 1: stick and swear that if you go past it, you
Speaker 1: got a stick in the eye for pain. Now hit
Speaker 1: it flush, nice tempo, Hit it flush two feet immediately
Speaker 1: right online. Now, let me tell you Leonardo da Vinci
Speaker 1: agrees with me, and he's a weird kind of a guy.
Speaker 1: He actually wrote that animals have pain and plants do
Speaker 1: not have pain, and the function of pain is to
Speaker 1: keep animals from colliding with objects in the way. Okay,
Speaker 1: now that's yeah, that's buttons on perfect that they can't
Speaker 1: say at Harvard Neuroscience. That's exactly what I teach. Okay,
Speaker 1: I found that Leonardo agrees with me. I feel pretty
Speaker 1: good about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell me tell me what you feel about bifurcation.
Speaker 1: I think that it's well time to do it. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, here's a here's a little even
Speaker 1: further thing, you know, like the grateful dead bus was
Speaker 1: called further. Yeah, all right, here's the.
Speaker 2: Thing we took an hour to get to grateful.
Speaker 1: We'll start. You need a new golf organization called real
Speaker 1: Golf that dispenses with the u s g A whoa
Speaker 1: solid simple, stupid little rules clad as it lays because
Speaker 1: out of bound, put it back in bound, don't go
Speaker 1: back to the t You can grind your club and
Speaker 1: the hazard. Who cares? Those are the rules.
Speaker 3: That was my next question. That's not fair. My next
Speaker 3: question was, Okay, you're in charge. What's the first thing
Speaker 3: you're going to do with rules? What things are you
Speaker 3: going to.
Speaker 1: Do most possible so that amateurs will actually be able
Speaker 1: to follow them? A lot degrees and a master in
Speaker 1: taxes to follow the USDA rules. They're stupid. What Lincoln
Speaker 1: puts rut those rules lawyers. When you go back to
Speaker 1: the ab frost thing that hangs on the wall where
Speaker 1: the guys, you know, making there's like only twelve rules originally,
Speaker 1: and but now they got God, they got nuanced words
Speaker 1: that you got to look up in chapter eight to
Speaker 1: find out what the meaning was, and you got to
Speaker 1: look at the decision to find out how they actually
Speaker 1: apply them, and it's just terrible. I mean, the USDA
Speaker 1: is all over the map. They don't even know what
Speaker 1: skill is. Now, let me rant this real quick on this,
Speaker 1: because you asked the question. The yards books were originally
Speaker 1: illegal because they're not the golfer's eye and senses telling
Speaker 1: him about the conditions of the golf course and how
Speaker 1: to play the shot. Anything that's other than that, like
Speaker 1: a cat book, a green map, a yards book, a
Speaker 1: laser plumb bobby, an unusual use of your putter, all
Speaker 1: of those are illegal. That is, the USGA's obligation is
Speaker 1: to protect the game of skill from cheating, all right.
Speaker 1: They don't want fake scores. They want a real handicap
Speaker 1: in a stipulated round. They want real competition according to
Speaker 1: the rules of skill. It's not like NASCAR where everybody
Speaker 1: drives the same stock card and see who can get
Speaker 1: across the fench line a little quicker. It's you. You
Speaker 1: got to see it, you got to read it, you
Speaker 1: got to put it. All right, Then they made that
Speaker 1: goofy exception if it's traditionally accepted. The first case that
Speaker 1: they considered was the yards book, and they said traditionally accepted.
Speaker 1: We're sorry, go ahead, keet it away. You know what.
Speaker 1: The second one was plumb bobbing. They considered the case
Speaker 1: of plumb bobbing. They said, so many golfers teat with it,
Speaker 1: accepted that wasn't even cheating because plump bobbing doesn't work.
Speaker 1: But that's the USJA completely, spaghetti head. I'm being able
Speaker 1: to think and apply the rules. Lasers. You know how,
Speaker 1: the USJA and RNA met for years talking about whether
Speaker 1: you can have a laser. The out was, we're not
Speaker 1: going to tell you it's okay. In fact, we say no,
Speaker 1: but if any local committee wants to let you use
Speaker 1: the laser, knock yourself out. What kind of rule was that?
Speaker 1: All right? So the second little rule, but no laser
Speaker 1: can be approved by a local committee if it tells
Speaker 1: you plays as up or down. This is one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty yards as usually your seven iron or your
Speaker 1: eight iron, but since it's ten feet up, use an
Speaker 1: eight lasers do that? They said, we don't approve that,
Speaker 1: and we don't want a local committee to approve it.
Speaker 1: And if you have one of those lasers in your bag,
Speaker 1: even if you don't use it, DQ all right now.
Speaker 1: They've backed off of that one recently. What is what
Speaker 1: is a green map? Yardage books or yardage only, not elevation,
Speaker 1: not win calculators. And when they got to the rut
Speaker 1: the lasers, they said, well, as long as you don't
Speaker 1: use the plays up and down function, it's not any
Speaker 1: different from the yard's book. And we already cooked on that.
Speaker 1: So they proved lasers, all right, But a green map
Speaker 1: is not limited to mileage. It is fall lines and
Speaker 1: slope percent numbers and equal conjur lines and that's all
Speaker 1: illegal as hell. And you know who makes these books,
Speaker 1: Fred Funk's caddy, Mark Long. He hires teenagers and college
Speaker 1: kids to wear GPS backpacks and walk the US Open
Speaker 1: fairways so he can get the digital data of the
Speaker 1: shape of the golf course and the bunkers and all
Speaker 1: the water hazards. And then he has them GPS the
Speaker 1: greens and then he produces the maps of the golf course,
Speaker 1: including green maps, and sells them to US Open contestants
Speaker 1: at Tory Pines for two hundred dollars. Now you know
Speaker 1: who walks the course with Mark when he's doing that,
Speaker 1: and who confers with Mark about where to put the pins.
Speaker 1: You know of the USGA, Mike Davis. Google it. You'll
Speaker 1: find the articles where they talk about it in the magazines.
Speaker 1: There's so dumb that they don't know what illegal is anymore.
Speaker 1: They don't even know. Mark Long tells the USGA setup
Speaker 1: man where to put the pins, and then he sells
Speaker 1: illegal maps, commercially produced maps of information about the course
Speaker 1: conditions that it's otherwise verboten. But they don't know that
Speaker 1: it's the USG Right now, you remember how they recently
Speaker 1: ban using a digital green reader. Okay, here's the actual
Speaker 1: text from the USGA. You can't use a digital green
Speaker 1: reader to make information into your caddy book, but you
Speaker 1: can buy a green map from Mark Long, and they
Speaker 1: used his name in the actual press release. Wow. The
Speaker 1: only thing about those green maps is they got to
Speaker 1: be small if you blow them up. But this is crazy.
Speaker 1: You can't use a digital green reader in practice on
Speaker 1: the golf course to make a note in a caddy book,
Speaker 1: but you can buy a professionally produced one that's got
Speaker 1: the information in there.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: They're nuts, all right. And I said, what do you
Speaker 1: really feel? Well, you asked me about Bobber. This is further,
Speaker 1: we need real golf with for rules and skill, not
Speaker 1: happy golf with cheating to put down a happy score.
Speaker 2: Well, Jeff mangham, it is always a pleasure, dude. I
Speaker 2: can't believe that.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: What I love about you is you don't need a quarter.
Speaker 3: All you need is ten cents. And man, you are
Speaker 3: off and running right. Well, it was great to talk
Speaker 3: to you again.
Speaker 1: It's like in Vietnam and the lieutenant says, you got
Speaker 1: to dig that in little train and the guys the
Speaker 1: private looks back at him from the private from Cleveland
Speaker 1: looks back at him and says, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: Send me to Vietnam. I got my opinion. They can't
Speaker 1: send me to Vietnam. I'm already there.
Speaker 3: Oh, Jeff, thanks so much, buddy. Thank you for responding,
Speaker 3: and you know, for answering. I don't know if you
Speaker 3: answered any of my questions, but I sure was educated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you do better with that light big putter.
Speaker 2: Well he's nothing of he's not controversial. What a trip, right?
Speaker 3: And how crazy is it that our timing of last
Speaker 3: week and this coming week's Mulligan's episode featured two conversation
Speaker 3: with Jeff Mangum from September of twenty twelve, twelve years ago.
Speaker 3: He's really worth the deep dive if you want to
Speaker 3: improve your putting and be thoroughly entertained by someone with
Speaker 3: a mind that doesn't seem to occupy the same planet
Speaker 3: as the rest of us. And to those of you
Speaker 3: who understood the seventies reference to the episode title in
Speaker 3: the intro, let me just say hello seekers.
Speaker 2: I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 3: So I'm headed up to Seattle, Washington, Tomorr to play
Speaker 3: a couple including Chambers Bay, which I've been warned is
Speaker 3: pretty tough, and there's rain in the forecast, so keep
Speaker 3: your fingers crossed for us. We're also playing Eagles Talent
Speaker 3: Course at Willow's Run in Redmond. This week's Golf Smarter
Speaker 3: Ambassador Bob Anklem of Rosemont, Minnesota, or since this is
Speaker 3: the week of the Democratic Invention, I have to.
Speaker 2: Say the great state of Minnesota. Not like WC. Fields.
Speaker 3: I spent a lot of time in Minnesota during the
Speaker 3: nineties in Minneapolis working with the Twins, and one spring
Speaker 3: day at the beginning of the season, I rented a
Speaker 3: bike and rode around the lakes for hours on an
Speaker 3: absolutely magnificent day when I got to work that night,
Speaker 3: as baseball games in the Metrodome those years were played
Speaker 3: at night, and I mentioned to one of the team's
Speaker 3: employees that it was such a beautiful day, and if
Speaker 3: you know, when I was riding around and if it
Speaker 3: was beautiful like that all the time, it would be
Speaker 3: called California. His classic response was, that's why we have
Speaker 3: winter to keep the riffraff out. Anyway, Thanks Bob for
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