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<v Speaker 1>We're back on the drive with ESPN's Dave mcminimon joining

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<v Speaker 1>us for today's NBA Daily Assist.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Porter, I'm gonna try not to get emotional here,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is a proud moment. It's also been a

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<v Speaker 2>long time since we've had our next guest, oh for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>But one of the things I love about.

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<v Speaker 2>This business is when I get to mentor young media

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<v Speaker 2>members and interview them and teach them the ropes and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, sometimes make them uncomfortable. Then watch them rise

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<v Speaker 2>up the ranks to what I call celebrity journalists. And

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<v Speaker 2>my list is long. You know, Coward Stephen a Isola.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they all came to me, you at some point.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, when Dave mcminnimon canp me with a

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<v Speaker 2>sincere desire to join the show consistently, I warned him.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, well, here's what I said. I said, are

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<v Speaker 2>you ready to be great? Is this something you want?

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<v Speaker 2>And now we fast forward a few years later and

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<v Speaker 2>we can't even book our guy because he's such a

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<v Speaker 2>big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I had to go through his assistant and then

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<v Speaker 3>his assistance assistant, and then they sent me through like

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<v Speaker 3>a booking agency. But we we.

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<v Speaker 2>Did it so, Dave mcmanhamon on a Thursday, I'll ask

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<v Speaker 2>the question that I asked you a few years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you ready to be great? Is this something you want?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I blacked out after you called me a

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<v Speaker 1>young journalist. Everything after that was just start shining rainbow.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, I'm just basking in the age domination

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<v Speaker 1>you gave me. I want to be young forever as

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<v Speaker 1>far as greatness concerned. If I'm young, it doesn't really

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<v Speaker 1>matter for great or not. I'll just be happy being young.

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<v Speaker 3>Fair enough. Well, it's been too long, man, So how

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<v Speaker 3>are things everything good?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, everything's great. Happy to join you, and yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>was of a bonehead getting back to the Porter the

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<v Speaker 1>last couple of weeks, so I'm happy to rejoin.

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<v Speaker 3>No, not at all, Not at all.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll just get one thought from you on the Jazz,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's really nothing interesting about them other than the fact, Dave,

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<v Speaker 2>that it looks like they're finally doing what they should

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<v Speaker 2>have been doing all along and going all in on

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<v Speaker 2>trying to just make sure that they're in a good

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<v Speaker 2>position to draft somebody potentially special coming up. They're going

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<v Speaker 2>to need a ton of luck draft night every lottery

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<v Speaker 2>team does, but last two years they've waited up until

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<v Speaker 2>the trade deadline to break it down, and they're drafting

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<v Speaker 2>like ninth through twelfth, which is no man's land, and

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like they at least have a plan in place.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's a tough ask of this fan base.

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<v Speaker 2>To watch what looks like it's going to be really

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<v Speaker 2>bad basketball all year long.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they were not competitive for the bulk of their

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<v Speaker 1>game against the Lakers the other night. Obviously their record

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<v Speaker 1>in the standing reflects that. I think they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>end up being centers r us for the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the league, calling about you know, guys like Walker Kessler,

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<v Speaker 1>Philapowski and Drew you Banks. Because there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>contenders out there, Lakers included, that need another big man.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is a.

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<v Speaker 1>Year, you know, maybe not quite as enticing as the

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<v Speaker 1>Wendy year, but certainly a year where it's considered to

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<v Speaker 1>be a really deep draft. And so if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>end up with number one, you know, I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>top five are all considered to be pretty much blue

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<v Speaker 1>chip talent that you're looking at, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a good strategy. Now. On the other hand, Will Hardy

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a big fan of and I think he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a special coach, and it's kind of tough

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<v Speaker 1>for his development here to go through another year where

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<v Speaker 1>being competitor is really not going.

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<v Speaker 4>To be on the table.

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<v Speaker 2>So you reference the centers on the roster, I wonder,

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<v Speaker 2>and look, I'm not going to ask you about John

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<v Speaker 2>Collins all year, Dave, I promise I will not do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you throw him to the list too, Yeah, exactly, But.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, John Collins, Jordan Clarkson, Collins, Saxton, like maybe outside

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<v Speaker 2>of market and of course some of these young players,

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<v Speaker 2>do you think we are going to see real movement?

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<v Speaker 2>Our team's going to be calling about some of these

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<v Speaker 2>vets that the Jazz have and maybe other teams could use.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if John Collins the guy, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I'll say, who's safe as far as you

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<v Speaker 2>know outside of market?

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<v Speaker 3>And who do you think is safe on this roster

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<v Speaker 3>for now?

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, yeah, obviously you start with marketing in

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<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, I don't think they're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>given up on a guy like Cody Williams anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably Kessler and Filapowski would be part of their long

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<v Speaker 1>term plans. But I asked well Hardy about that the

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<v Speaker 1>other day and he kind of admitted that there are

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<v Speaker 1>some redundancies in what they do. They're not exactly a

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<v Speaker 1>clone of one another. But in today's NBA, where you know,

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<v Speaker 1>most teams are playing basically one and a half centers

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<v Speaker 1>in the rotation, you know, one of those guys could

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<v Speaker 1>end up being movable for the right offer, certainly if

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<v Speaker 1>it's an offer that would include a but at the

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<v Speaker 1>apple in this year's upcoming draft. And outside of that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I do think you're looking at, you know, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of players that could be had for the right price.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Obviously the Lakers one of your main, if

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<v Speaker 2>not your main responsibility, And I want to start with

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<v Speaker 2>the macro question. You know, they're ten and four, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's the narrative that JJ has found some things and

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<v Speaker 2>other coaches have not been able to find with this roster.

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<v Speaker 2>Where they didn't do much, they added some. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Dalton goes for nine to threes the other night, so

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<v Speaker 2>they've got some different pieces. But what has stood out

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<v Speaker 2>most to you about what this coaching staff has quote

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<v Speaker 2>found with this Laker roster?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the buy in from Lebron James and

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Davis has been a parent and you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>need that to have any cancer success with this group.

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<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't that Darvin hen didn't have that. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it just waned over time and I personally think

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of that had to do with some

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<v Speaker 1>bad injury hands that Darwin was but in today's NBA

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<v Speaker 1>like you just got to find a way to make

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<v Speaker 1>it work, not use excuses. And JJ has had some

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<v Speaker 1>injuries to role players just like Darvin had last year.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Ruy Hatchimore has been in out of the lineup.

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<v Speaker 1>You've had Cam Reddish missed some time, but he found

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when you have a team that's theoretically when healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>about twelve deep, that's important because it makes sure if

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<v Speaker 1>the ball is being shared and it's moving that even

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<v Speaker 1>if your minutes are limited, you feel like you're a

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<v Speaker 1>So that's been really good defensively. There are still some

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<v Speaker 1>limitations to this roster, and I think the addition to

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<v Speaker 1>Jared Vanderbilt whenever he can get healthy in return should

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<v Speaker 1>help that somewhat, but it's not going to completely fix

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that you know, as great as Lebron James

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<v Speaker 1>still is, this is probably not going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>good transition defense team with him on it. They might

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<v Speaker 1>not be as bad as they've been if they all

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<v Speaker 1>buy into the roles of what they're supposed to do.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, Lebron is in energy conservation mode and

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<v Speaker 1>outside of the perfectly timed chased down block, and you'll

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<v Speaker 1>see him do that, you know, about once a week.

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<v Speaker 1>Still at this stage's career, he's not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>getting back and forming a wall in the lane. So

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<v Speaker 1>there will be some things that JJ will continue to

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<v Speaker 1>have to work with with this team. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>starting off ten and forward does a lot towards building

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<v Speaker 1>confidence in what he's trying to instill and keeping the

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<v Speaker 1>guy's attention as they move towards the latter part of

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<v Speaker 1>this schedule.

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<v Speaker 2>Could Redick open up like a new pathway, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't be new new because he played in the

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<v Speaker 2>league and he did and he was a broadcaster for

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<v Speaker 2>everybody simply never coached outside of his kid, right, like

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<v Speaker 2>it's the fourth grade coaching whatever, We've seen some other

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<v Speaker 2>situations in other sports. Our local soccer club had a

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<v Speaker 2>player transition to coach right away.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, there was a lot of noise.

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<v Speaker 2>About JJ getting that job without having.

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<v Speaker 3>Any coaching experience.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still early, but do you think this is something

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe could be a break the mold type moment

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<v Speaker 2>of how NBA coaches are typically higher, You know, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think it will allow teams to look at it with

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<v Speaker 1>more open mindedness. I do think JJ's pretty unique, and

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<v Speaker 1>I also think that the Lakers did themselves a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of favors by adding two guys who have been head

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<v Speaker 1>coaches in the last couple of years in Scott Brooks

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<v Speaker 1>and Nate McMillan, who have plenty of experience, and also

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<v Speaker 1>has they have the respect from what that experience meant

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<v Speaker 1>from the guys on this roster. So I think it

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<v Speaker 1>could happen, But I think you're gonna it's really come

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<v Speaker 1>down to just how special the guy is, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Steve Nash and Derek Fisher were pretty special

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<v Speaker 1>players who got out of the game and then rather

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<v Speaker 1>quickly became head coaches. And I probably would have bet

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<v Speaker 1>that both of us would have been success stories, but

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't. You know, really it's Jason Kidd and JJ

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<v Speaker 1>Redick the guys recently that come to mind. There could

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<v Speaker 1>be another guy like that, you know, JJ Redick. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of if you want to see who the

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<v Speaker 1>next guy is going to be, watch pregame and see

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<v Speaker 1>who from the layup wine of the opposing team, JJ

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<v Speaker 1>Redick goes in chats with. Those are the type of

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<v Speaker 1>guys who gravitates towards So that's probably a good list

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<v Speaker 1>to try to figure out who could be the next

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<v Speaker 1>guy to do that. But I still think it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be more on the individual than just like a

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<v Speaker 1>rash of them that will be qualified. I think where

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<v Speaker 1>we will see a change is more people like that

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<v Speaker 1>getting interviewed because it's a copycat league, and more teams

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<v Speaker 1>will want to find their JJ Reddick.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, So I haven't watched every Laker game.

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<v Speaker 2>They're on national TV a lot, so I'll tune in,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, TNT or ESPN or whatever. But of course

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<v Speaker 2>we're watching the jazz around here. And Dalton connect looked

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<v Speaker 2>like Ray Allen circa you know, nineteen ninety five.

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<v Speaker 3>But he was doing it against the defense that.

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<v Speaker 2>Will Hardy with a great line after the game said,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone knew he was gonna shoot except for a few people,

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<v Speaker 2>and they happen to play for us. So look, it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was Stan still Dave mcminnimon back in the day, buckets,

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<v Speaker 2>because you could have made those threes, Dave, you could

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<v Speaker 2>have I mean, he was wide open. But how how

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<v Speaker 2>real is his addition? Does it make them a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more dangerous? Taking the jazz game kind of off

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<v Speaker 2>the table because the defense was so pathetic?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the last three games as a starter after

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<v Speaker 1>ruiy Hachemar dealt with an ankle injury, he's having like

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six points on sixty two percent of the field,

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<v Speaker 1>Like six from three is got a sustainable? Real thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely not. But the guy plays with a ton of confidence.

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<v Speaker 1>And the stakeholders in this team being JJ, Anthony Davis

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<v Speaker 4>Playing for five hundred thousand dollars in in NBA Cup

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think the stage element too big of a

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<v Speaker 1>with other rookies. To me, it will be as team

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<v Speaker 1>scout him and figure him out a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>and put more of an emphasis on him. Will he

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<v Speaker 1>quite frankly, when you talk about how the hell did

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<v Speaker 1>of the kind of murmurs around it is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe his basketball IQ isn't quite where it could be.

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<v Speaker 2>With Lebron leaving social media, how do you plan on

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<v Speaker 2>getting scoops?

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<v Speaker 1>So let me ask you this. If someone tweets that

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<v Speaker 3>It must mean that he's only leaving Twitter or ax.

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<v Speaker 2>Would be my guest because you're You're right, he was

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<v Speaker 2>heading over to Instagram. And look, I'm rarely on Twitter anymore,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's part of the gig. I sent out the work,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, after the shows, and I send out links interviews,

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<v Speaker 2>but I rarely just like tweet away I used to,

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not judging. I wonder, Dave, though, from your

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<v Speaker 2>advantage point, does this have to do with how cruel

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<v Speaker 2>people are to his son? And you know how kind

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<v Speaker 2>of this story has unfolded? And look, he's a six

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<v Speaker 2>to one combo guard that doesn't appear at this point

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<v Speaker 2>to have an NBA skill set. That's not a knock,

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<v Speaker 2>that's an analysis, and that's the job. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>put any of this on Bronni. And look, I also

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<v Speaker 2>don't feel bad for him. He's in the NBA making

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<v Speaker 2>millions of dollars. But Lebron had to know that if

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<v Speaker 2>this was how they were going to roll, that people

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<v Speaker 3>And I've seen a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that's kind of the issue with Lebron

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<v Speaker 2>taking off from Twitter?

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<v Speaker 1>I could see that being part of it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I do wonder, and I haven't had a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>but I do wonder if the kind of the political

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<v Speaker 1>did not vote for, did not endorse. I'm sure that's

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<v Speaker 1>conversation I had with him over the years just about

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<v Speaker 1>the discussion around basketball. Why is it always about comparison?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is it always about this guy doesn't do this well?

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't we celebrate the game more? And that was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of part of the point that Rich Kleiman was making,

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<v Speaker 1>the longtime friend and business partner of Kevin Durant, that

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<v Speaker 1>these are some of the greatest players you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>see today or in any era, and it seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be the discourse around them, particularly on online, where it's

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of non to miss people who there's no

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<v Speaker 1>consequences for for being negative and showing that side of

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<v Speaker 1>them that have we just kind of lost our way

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<v Speaker 1>and like kind of that was part of the point

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<v Speaker 1>of the JJ Reddick and Lebron James podcast. Mind the

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<v Speaker 1>game was supposed to be let's embrace the minutia of

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<v Speaker 1>from the discourse that it seems to delve into toxicity

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<v Speaker 1>quite so often. So certainly, you know, I I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>live online, you know, for for my work. And I've seen,

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<v Speaker 1>just by being someone who carries the news of what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on with Lebron James, the same trolls that would

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<v Speaker 1>attack Lebron well orbronni will latch onto me sometimes and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not it's not a pretty place. But I also like,

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<v Speaker 1>I take it with a grant assault that Lebron is

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he'll he'll back, you know, he's taking a break,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's fine. But I've got to say, Dave, that

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<v Speaker 2>the crap you get is an ultimately it's the ultimate

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<v Speaker 2>compliment if you can understand what they're saying, because the

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<v Speaker 2>only thing I hear about you is you don't deserve

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<v Speaker 2>to be married who you're married to, and that means

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<v Speaker 3>That means you're winning, Dave. That means you're winning.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'll take that, but that's fine. Yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 1>agree with it. So it's all good.

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<v Speaker 2>How many names, uh, you know, I kept walking out

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<v Speaker 2>to the mailbox when I heard the news, and I'd

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<v Speaker 2>open the mailbox, and then I'd go to work and

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<v Speaker 2>I'd interview you and it's like, hey, maybe we're friends.

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<v Speaker 3>He's in town for the All Star breaks. Say what up?

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<v Speaker 2>Do a live hit hangout? And you know, was I

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<v Speaker 2>close to making the cut? That's all I want to know.

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<v Speaker 1>I could just say this that Lebron did ask where

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<v Speaker 1>his invite was. Okay, so you're in good company when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to that.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel better. I feel better day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a tough thing, but it was a wonderful day,

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<v Speaker 1>great thing to look back at.

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<v Speaker 3>Very happy for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, before I set you loose, we are doing this

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<v Speaker 2>thing around here where the fact of the matter is

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<v Speaker 2>the front office told the fans last offseason big game hunting,

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<v Speaker 2>and there are rumors that they wanted to sign Paul

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<v Speaker 2>George and trade.

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<v Speaker 3>For mckel bridges.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, okay, right, so do I you know, Like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that any of that was real. But

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<v Speaker 2>every time they're front facing with the public via the media,

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<v Speaker 2>they talk about wanting to add good players as soon

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<v Speaker 2>as they can. And with this era of the Second

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<v Speaker 2>Apron with this era of teams that have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of talent, they can't afford them moving talent on. One

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<v Speaker 2>thing you can latch onto is the Jazz are in

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<v Speaker 2>It's only fifteen sixteen games, but any candidates you think

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<v Speaker 2>prior to the trade deadline of good teams with a

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I mean, I wouldn't go back to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>where we started with this conversation with the Dad, I

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<v Speaker 1>do think it's in their best interests for lack of

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<v Speaker 1>a better term and bottom out this year. Agreed how

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<v Speaker 1>attractive that the draft could be. But I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>any number of guys from Brandon Ingram to Jeremy Grant

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<v Speaker 1>to even you know, someone like Terram Young. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>convinced that he'll be in Atlanta long term, just because

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<v Speaker 1>they're floundering around five hundred still and he's a defensive liability.

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<v Speaker 1>Like there will be names that I'm sure will be moved,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even Zach Lavine, maybe Jimmy Butler, like and you

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<v Speaker 1>know Jimmy Butler. Okay, there's a relationship between Wade. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you could maybe make that makes sense in the jazz structure.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just not so sure. Again, they would be best

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<v Speaker 1>served doing that this year.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, Dave. Thanks for the time, man, great to

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<v Speaker 2>have you back on the Shoe Show. Have a great

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<v Speaker 2>weekend with Chattoon.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, thanks Bess, all right. Great.

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<v Speaker 2>Dave McManaman covers the NBA for ESPN. You can get

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<v Speaker 2>him on Twitter at mc ten is where you find him. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he married Millie Andrews this summer looked like a lovely event.

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<v Speaker 2>We could never like talk about that on air. I

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<v Speaker 2>heard they were dating like three years ago. I'm like, oh, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>we should talk with me. He's like, no, no, don't want

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<v Speaker 2>anybody to know. So that was the wedding I was

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<v Speaker 2>talking about. And if you search Dave mcminnimon on Google,

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<v Speaker 2>the first result is Malik Andrew's husband.

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<v Speaker 3>So our guy just gets cracked on. But he's a

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<v Speaker 3>good dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>Appreciate Dave's time today.

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<v Speaker 2>On this Thursday afternoon, Jazz are in action tonight they're

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<v Speaker 2>taking on San Antonio. I do not think we will

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<v Speaker 2>see Victor woman Yama, So I guess you could watch

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Paul against Patty Mills.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.