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look forward to. Now, there's a new shout poll up

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show page and basically, this is our shout poll this

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week is the United States? Does it have a democracy

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or an autocracy? And that's the poll. We've already got

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and have your shout. Is the US a democracy or

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an autocracy? And don't want to get into any arguments

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with anybody who will say, well, no, it's uh, it's

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an oligarchy, not in autocracy. Who cares? My point? Is

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not a democracy. So that's the main point of it.

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We want to get some lively debates going in there. Now.

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Our next guest, Uh. He is the author of the

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much anticipated upcoming uh probably eventually will be in my

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mind anyway, a bestseller s so Teric Hollywood from trendon

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Day Publishing, and he's also uh the editor and founder

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of Jay's Analysis uh dot com. There's a link to

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it on the show page and UH, you know this,

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I'm looking up at the stories at Jay's Analysis right

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now and it's just fascinating. Uh. We've also got you know,

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I'm not going to talk about Prince's death this week.

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We'll leave that off the uh So we're not going

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to talk about Prince and we're not going to play

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Dove's cry uh in the background like every single mainstream

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media outlet is doing. I don't know, have I got

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have I got that on the soundboard? I don't know.

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I'm Badger. Can you hear Prince in the background there?

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I'm not sure if Badger's listening or not.

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Speaker 2: But impersonation for you?

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Speaker 1: Okay, now I'm just gonna cut that chase. We're not

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going to But anyway, Jay Dyer, thank you for joining

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been uber busy. Awesome articles from from Yours and Soul

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of the East on the Bolshevik one is really fascinating

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up at jasonalysis dot com. But you know, really good stuff,

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deep deep, deep thinking, uh for the everyday man. That's

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what jason Analysis provides, and so in short supply these days.

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But but so, how how's how's the book coming along.

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I just want to get that out the way first.

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really works is everybody likes movies. Not everybody's into your

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geopolitical peculiarities, but everybody likes movies. So give them my book,

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see movies in a new way. And I ended up

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you'll be happy to know that you're referenced in their

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Patrick as well as Sean Helton and the good Fellows

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so that's a big warning for if there's any Shenanigans

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for the toxicology reports. So it looks like another Michael

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Jackson circus. And we're not talking about Prince Jay today.

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This is not why we're here. The theme of the

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show Jay is glass temples, and it's a little bit abstract.

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with ken Stone about Palmyra, and I had some pretty

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stark experiences while I was over in the Middle East

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regarding archaeology, regarding heritage, regarding modernism, and I saw the

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real clash of civilizations. Jay. It's it's not the West

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versus the East, or the White Man versus the Arab

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and it's much more profound than the geopolitical definitions. To me,

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because there's a lot of psychology as well behind here.

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We can psychologically profile different epochs, different times, different eras.

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different form from the past great civilizations to and fallen

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civilizations to today, which one day. You know, we're sitting

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pretty right now, but there are many civilizations right now

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really concerned about this because my concern, Jay, isn't it

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a lot to learn from past civilizations. I still believe

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there's a lot of knowledge lost, a lot of wisdom,

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and I think there's a place for it in our

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everyday life now. Not everyone agrees with me on that.

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of a false dialectic between the idea of will you

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obscurantists who's left in the past or left worshiping the past.

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always a kind of dynamic, living process. It's never some

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sort of stultified museum piece. It's always something that's in process.

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never completely get away from it any kind of roots

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tube or something like that where we're going, then we

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kind of tradition. Now that doesn't mean that it's necessarily correct,

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or that it didn't have flaws, or that things weren't wrong,

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perhaps about the tradition that we were given as a

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child and so forth, or the culture of the nation

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that we grew up in. But I think that the

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false ideology that is that undergirds modernity put in its

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successors and postmodernity, and what ultimately I think leads to nihilism.

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free from anything that binds you to the past. And

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pretty much the Western ideology, especially if you look at

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say the Rand Corporation and their whole as one of

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the premiere think tanks of the last century. Their whole

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ideology is called rational choice theory. Now what is this, Well,

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this is the idea that the way to manipulate individuals

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this is what crafted the Cold War. This is what

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crafted the idea of mutually sure destruction, the nuke threat.

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production based economy into a completely service based economy. It

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sold us on things like Obamacare ultimately, and on top

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how did they do all this well? Because they have

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this idea that what we need to do is to

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desires are the only way that they can be quote free.

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has to destroy any existing perhaps firewalls we might call them,

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and that would be anything from history, culture, tradition, family, nation, state,

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et cetera, et cetera. All those things have to go

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because there seem to be aspects of the old way

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into a completely New World, and it's really the as

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you pointed out in your excellent article, the smart power

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industrial complex. That's the chief goal they have, right. So,

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in other words, the Rank corporation pretty much has a

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whole slew of offspring that are much like it insofar

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dealing with a certain region like Middle East or whatever

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crisis groups. You know, there's myriad of these of these institutions,

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and what they do is essentially churn out constant white

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papers to reformulate and reorganize entire regions. And so you

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mentioned the Middle East, Well, we only need think of

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the Odinya non Plan, which was the Israeli plan from

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several decades ago regarding what would happen in the Middle

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out of that presently, and that would include these situations

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in Libya in now Syria. And so this is how

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larger scheme is by looking at some of these key

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white papers and policy papers and so forth that you

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of the foundations and think tanks, and so what do

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of feminism and women's rights in other countries by the

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theme of quote democracy, humanitarianism, individual liberty, and freedom from

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all constraints supposedly. But what those things actually are is

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as you called them accurately, they're called soft power. They're

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soft power techniques of swaying mass perception and opinion to

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into something that services another engender, namely Washington's foreign policy,

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regions Russia, Ukraine and so forth.

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Speaker 1: So on one hand, they're building up this kind of

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identity politic or the sort of totems of identity politics

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like you animated in your article isis feminists and thugs.

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identity in the same place at the same time, and

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this is to me the most extraordinary thing that it's

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kind of it's kind of you can see it when

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you go there, you can see it actually happening in

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front of your eyes. And and so what is is this?

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obliterate there is your cultural identity. And here's my question.

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Is your cultural identity your true political identity in many ways?

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And if you smash that, if you bliterate it, then

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you've really obliterated your political power as well.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And that is you find that specifically spoken of

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in the white papers. So I think of Alex Eveya's

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book Soldiers of Reason about the Rank corporation, and he

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left or radical right could be useful to global strategists

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and think tanks and so forth, So it's not always

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an either or. Sometimes those things could be useful for

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manipulation as well, like as you said, identity politics. But

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long term plans, it's ultimately about getting rid of all

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of those things. And that's why the Rank corporation, for example,

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deals with big scale philosophies, big scale ideologies, right, rational

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choice theory being how can we sell everybody on the

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idea that your individual hedonistic desires are the best way

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for you to be happy and free? And so rational

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choice theory dictates that whatever means, there might be a

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period where you want to promote radical identity politics and nationalism,

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but then down the road that transitions into something else. Right,

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And this is Alvin Toffler talks about this in Third Wave,

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where he says that we might need to promote things

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like veganism. We might need to promote certain things that

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can steer a movement of philosophy and ideology and identity

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in a certain direction for a time period in order

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to get to that final goal. And I think, I

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know I brought it up many times, but I bring

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it up because of such a great example. This is

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really what Aldo Sarcley says in the introduction of Brave

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New World, where he says, look, there was a whole

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bunch of revolutions right in the revolution, Scientific Revolution, French Revolution.

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I'm going to I'm telling you how all of those

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revolutions were stages in a process. Now I know that

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also look at Arthur Kessler who calls it alchemy. And

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so when he talks about the ghost in the machine,

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which is his naturalistic Darwinian materialistic statement about how the

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mind of man's the mind of man, consciousness and free will,

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along with Bertrand Russell saying this need to be stamped out.

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This is how we create a more controlled automaton cubicle

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being right, much much like the factory line process of

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streamlined products, so that the man himself becomes a factory

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streamline monoculture product. Right. And this is obviously you can

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see quite advantageous to the international mega corporations and conglomerates

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that pretty much run run the globe. So that's what

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it's all about. Yeah, you might have a time where

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people promote you an ideology that appeals to your ego. Right,

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I'm a feminist, I'm strong, and i want to be

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free from these two millennia of patriarchal tyranny. Now I'm

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free because I've adopted abortion, vaccines and micro loans that

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are not available to males.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: These are all strategies to break up existing things. And

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as I said, how is it alchemy, Well, you have

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the alchemical dictum of solving at coagula, which is the

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idea that you dissolve a thing and then you remake

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the thing into something new. And that is the essence

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of the alchemical process. And even though the globalists the

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elites think tanks types may not as a whole be

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occultists or esotericist or whatever I'm sure some of them are,

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it doesn't really matter because the essential game plan strategy

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is that it is you break a thing down before

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you build it back up, and you build it back

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up into what you want it to be. And that's

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what the purpose of all these thing tanks and in

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g o's and so forth is. They're the ones that

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are crafting the steering mechanisms.

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Speaker 1: So you mentioned Alvin Toffler and the author of Future Shock,

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and he talked about veganism being a sort of a

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means to an end. This is the way I read

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what you said there is this is climate change, the

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same thing in the same used can that be used

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to created and this climate change movement and be used

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in the same way as that.

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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, you go back to the seventies the Club

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of Rome produced the boat Limits to Growth, and then

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it republished that in the nineties and called it the

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First Global Revolution. And you look at the First Global Revolution,

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it discusses the fact that we need to create not

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just some localized revolutions, some French revolutions American we need

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a new revolution that's based on something that we can

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get everybody behind. And what's the one common factor that

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we all share it? Well, it's the environment. Everybody's in

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some way an aspect of the biosphere. So if we

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can sell people on the notion that it's in their

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individual best interest to be a part of this whatever

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it is, movement, then we can steer the globe into

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things like Agenda twenty one and United Nations UNESCO plans

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and gentrification zoning laws which are ultimately about creating smart

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cities and target cities and so forth, all these different

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communal reorganization methods for large scale social engineering. So all

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of this is outlined in that very book, First Global Revolution.

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You can find it's online, easy PDF download, and it

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discusses the fact that open I'm not making this up.

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It actually says what we need to do is events

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everyone that man himself is the problem. Right, So when

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they talk about CO two's being a problem carbon, that's

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they're talking about life. They're saying humans, we're carbon based life. Worms,

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Speaker 1: It's the all pervasive existential threat. In other words, it

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never switches off.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, the commedi threat's gone. And now I guess that,

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by the way, that was, as we said, trans created

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by the Rank Corporation. That Ran Corporation also crafted and marketed,

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pr sold the war on Terror, all right. That's why

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you'd see Fox News in these different channels branding it

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the War of Operation Freedom, the War on Terror. And

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then of course Desert Storm was the first fully televised

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so called war. How ridiculous is that?

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Speaker 1: Desert Shield that then Desert Storm and then Desert Fox

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and yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: Their PubL their reality shows twenty four to seven run,

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So you participate in this psychodrama, right, And so that

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was all Rank corporation strategies sold and exactly you know,

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how does that all tie into Well, Rank Corporation works

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on the same strategies of the United Nations plans for

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the environment. Rank Corporation crafts documents for how to go green.

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You know, how companies can implement green strategies and green

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healthcare and green thist all of that is a marketing tool.

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And when you look at the origins of the so

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called green movement, I don't doubt that there were many

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sincere environmentalists, you know, back in the day or whatever.

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But I look at earth Day. I mean, the founder

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of earth Day is this guy who killed his wife

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or his girlfriend, right, I mean, these are nasty people, right.

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The very fact that the Club of Rome's First Global

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Revolution says that the whole purpose is to convince human

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beings that they're the problem and that we need to then,

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of course, cut down on population. You need to go

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along with banker austerity and live inside a little bitty

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cubicle coffin.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: What we see in Jon Erowski's Holy Mountain, you actually

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see that where they sell to the elite. The idea

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of moving everybody into urban areas and putting them literally

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in coffins. That was predicted in the Joan Rowski's Holy

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Mountain film. That's what we're seeing implemented. That's what these

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zoning laws gentrification. That's about a longer strategy of getting

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everybody into urban areas to live inside agenda twenty one

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cubicle coffin type environment that can all be completely controlled.

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I know this sounds crazy. Target the corporation. They're making

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target cities where you're actually going to I was joking

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about that in talks and articles a couple of years ago.

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I had no idea that was real. Right, that's where

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they want to move everybody. And so when you're talking

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on the Middle East and these different regions, the so

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called democracy that the US is going to bring with

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its bombs and so forth, and sex education, that's ultimately

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about creating a whole bunch of new consumers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is this is a good segue to

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the big con. This is what I So we've outlined

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the introduction now for the big con. Okay, the big

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con job is exactly as you just said, Jay, This

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is basically setting up a monopolistic environment, a completely crony capitalistic,

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monopolistic environment, where a selected few who consider themselves to

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be the rightful rulers of the planetary fiefdom, a corporate fiefdom.

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This is basically what it is. It's it's I think

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the con is to dupe society with it. Call it

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social justice, call it climate justice. Call it gender justice,

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call it all these things, call it modern justice. And

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it's it's to dupe you into a new environment that

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is even more controlled, that even is also more devoid

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of real choice and real unique experiences than before. And

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it's a con. It's a huge con.

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Speaker 2: It's orwelly and it's everything that's in Orwell it's it's

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the whole idea of the party, the single party, bringing

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freedom to everyone. And that's why you only have victory cigarettes,

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victory gin, everything is victory products. Right, it's the exact

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same thing. It's all annoyed. I mean, I mean, I

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know we've heard about Orwell a million times, but that's

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exactly what you're saying. In the world, right, everything is

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it's a mono state. It's it's a monoculture. You have,

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you have the you've been told since youth that you

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were free, and you believe that you're free, even though

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everything in your daily experience contradicts that. You choose to

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believe it. And that's the great con, right, It's the

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double thing that is the great con believing what is

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completely contradictory to your your everyday experience. So yeah, I mean,

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what one only need look at the fact that if

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you can see where the place is, where America has gone,

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or the foreign policy ventures in the West and so forth,

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where are ethos is established, what comes with that, Well,

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what comes with that is the toxic garbage culture of America.

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You get all of that, all of that exported, you

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get the vaccines, you get the medical establishment there the

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So what I think is ultimately scammed to this Rockefeller

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medical establishment is expanded coke and pepsi right, all of

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that is brought to the rest of the world under

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the guise of humanitarian democracy and freedom. And that usually

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takes you know, regime change, color revolution, toppling of someone

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deemed undesirable, or running on some older program that the

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globalists instituted. Uh yeah, so it's just phase. Isn't a

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business plan, I guess is the best way to look

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at it.

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Speaker 1: So so what I see what you know? And I

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saw this. I see this in the Middle East especially,

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I see time and time again, Jay, I see modernism

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is used by the the Tyrell corporations of the world,

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or the the you know, the the ruling oligarchy in

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some cases, the monarchs. It's used by these people, these individuals,

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these monopolists, I'll call them. And at the same time,

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and then with their other hand, they're using the primitive

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traditional uber traditionalists like the Wahabi hobbyists. And you know

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what we see in Isis and al Qaeda and Salafis terrorists.

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They they're so they're they're building this, They're they're thrusting

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modernism as their Islamic utopia on one hand, on the

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on on the backhand, they're using the primitive clerics to

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browbeat everybody into shape, basically, and I see the same

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in Israel. They're erasing history of Palestinian history to build

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these modern which looks like California, Orange County suburbs out

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and pushing out into other countries, basically guarded by the army,

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changing the names of all the streets, changing the removing

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archaeological finds, hiding them or destroying them. And and they're

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using the ultra orthodox Jewish settlers, they're pushing them out.

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They're all uber traditionalists. So they're they're playing both sides.

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they're playing both sides. They're using they're they're they're they're

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leveraging these two forces. If you will, and I think

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it's it's it's pretty obvious. You know. What the agenda

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then is to basically obliterate what is the real history

475
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:04,039
what ken Stone in the last segment called the collective

476
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:09,680
human cultural inheritance, where we could say collective human cultural experience.

477
00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, Walmart obliterates culture and history, right, So

478
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,519
when a Walmart comes into a small town, it puts

479
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:22,480
everything else out of business because it's the it's pretty

480
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:25,839
much the company town model, right, everybody's going to so

481
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,440
eventually we just move into the Walmart. But yeah, so

482
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:30,599
think about the world as a big Walmart and think

483
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,279
about you know how it works in a big corporation

484
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,519
like that. You have a restructuring and reformatting of some

485
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,119
section of the store. Oh, this was the autoparts section.

486
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:44,799
Now we've got whole new displays. We need to change

487
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:47,200
that out now, right, so that the Middle East might

488
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,880
be like that, right, Like it's a certain way for

489
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,319
a while, like the CIA supporting Arab nationalism in the forties,

490
00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:57,279
and then it transitions into oh, better game plan here.

491
00:30:57,559 --> 00:31:01,000
We want to smash this up through the support of

492
00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:04,880
the Jahad, which is what followed right after the Arab

493
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:10,279
nationalist period. The CIA then shifted over to supporting the

494
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:15,640
Jahad and all the different radical Islm's factions that you're

495
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,400
speaking about, and that's a great tool for smashing things up.

496
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,039
So it it reminds me of Maoism, Right. So if

497
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:26,359
you think about Mao's cultural revolution and how that marshaled

498
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,680
the energy and enthusiasm of idealistic youth, well, idealistic youth

499
00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:35,240
are idiots, They're not there. It's been very much the

500
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:41,400
same with the idealistic zeal of the puritanical Islamic sex

501
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,720
that you're talking about. You can marshal that power and

502
00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:48,680
energy into recrafting a certain region a certain way, depending

503
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,440
on what your needs are. I make this point many

504
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:57,039
times too. It's just like deregulation and privatization versus regulation

505
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:03,480
and government authority. Right, So people fall on either side

506
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,960
of this dialectic, when in actual fact, either of those

507
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,279
strategies can be used at different time periods. Right. So,

508
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:15,680
if you're retraging Hope, he says that FDR was working

509
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,799
at the behest of the bankers. So all of these

510
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,839
reforms that FDR did to save everybody from the depression

511
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,599
actually caused another depression in nineteen thirty seven because he

512
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,519
was printing money at the behest of the bankers. So

513
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:30,799
you can't just pay for these things out of nowhere,

514
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:36,279
that it's all foisted upon the population through inflation and

515
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,880
putting everybody into debt to the bankers to fix the

516
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,400
problem that the banker's cause, namely depression. Right, So the

517
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:46,759
collectivization and socialization in that case was a solution from

518
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:51,000
the bankers to the banker's problem of the depression. And

519
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:52,839
it's the same. So you might think, oh, we'll see

520
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,359
the collectivization, oh soo, then privatization is the solution. Well

521
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,599
then you look at Greece, in these different countries or

522
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,079
John Perkins's books Economic hit Man. That's where you can

523
00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:08,079
have cases where deregulation and privatization is ripping everybody off.

524
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:12,240
So it's it's a strategy that can use either one

525
00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:15,799
depending on what the particular situation is. And it's exact

526
00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:19,960
same with the the radical sex that you're talking about.

527
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,559
You can use those to smash an existing culture that

528
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,839
might be a firewall to global of strategies or corporate

529
00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:32,960
corporate strategies, or you can then turn around and promote

530
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:39,400
a far quote leftist quote progressive humanitarian agenda in a region. Right,

531
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,200
So it's you're absolutely right, it's it's just it's the

532
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,720
same as big old companies funding the green agenda.

533
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:47,599
Speaker 1: Mm.

534
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's control both sides, right.

535
00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:53,319
Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of extraordinary because if you look

536
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:57,839
at I looked at the war and limpin On, I'm

537
00:33:57,839 --> 00:34:00,599
looking at the war in Syria, and what happened after

538
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:06,440
the Long War in Lebanon was basically big golf money

539
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,760
came in, big money and American money to basically build

540
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,360
these giant skyscrapers half of them are empty, by the way,

541
00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:19,199
and destroying everything that was underneath it, which is basically

542
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:25,559
five or six major civilizations and epochs, just completely obliterating it,

543
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:30,239
walling it off, taking a jackhammer to it, and then

544
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,119
building this you know, glass temple of luxury living. And

545
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:38,519
you have European architects in their celebrity architects. We talked

546
00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:42,800
about this on previous shows. So in Syria we have

547
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,800
whole cities destroyed and they are literally at the gates

548
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,960
baying for the opportunity to come in and do the

549
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,920
same in many of these places, and I think it's

550
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,639
a strange mix. Jay is what I'm saying. It's there's

551
00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:01,119
a short term profit motive to this because you know,

552
00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:04,360
to build and to occupy land, to own land, to

553
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,639
build on it is an expression of power. It projects power,

554
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:12,440
and then then there's there's benefits in terms of taking

555
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,320
money for that as well in that process, so order

556
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,159
out of chaos essentially. But this is where it gets strange.

557
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,800
After all the bombing, after all the destroying, after building

558
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,920
these sort of soulless modern temples which are really Western inspired,

559
00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:39,440
completely bland, you know, monolithic creations everywhere you look at Dubai.

560
00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:42,000
I mean, it's and you have this, there's this kind

561
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:47,199
of monarchical, tribalistic obsession, if you will, to this building,

562
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,360
this clean, everything, clean and new. My question to you

563
00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:53,000
is where does this urge come from? Because it is

564
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:56,480
a kind of a fetish in a way. So this

565
00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:58,800
kind of fetish comes in after you deal with the

566
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,719
money and the power. But there's more to it than that,

567
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,400
I think, and I'm trying to figure it out because

568
00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:08,480
it's almost like a religion in terms of those elites there.

569
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,639
Speaker 2: You're saying the fetish in terms of wrecking and then

570
00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:17,039
erecting the monuments to modernity.

571
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:18,519
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly.

572
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:21,519
Speaker 2: It is a fetish because I think, in my view,

573
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:25,960
ultimately humans are in some form or fashion going to

574
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:29,440
be religious, and even if they're a religious there's still

575
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:34,519
going to be in some way operating on the belief

576
00:36:34,639 --> 00:36:36,679
and some sort of Even if you believe that you're

577
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,840
you're your own God, you believe in some higher ideal

578
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,760
or notion or principle, it's I think it's impossible to

579
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:48,440
not function in that way. So it's going to be

580
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:51,679
you're operating on some program or some belief system. And

581
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,679
I think that what you see with the erection of

582
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,079
these monuments, and you're absolutely right to point out that

583
00:36:56,119 --> 00:36:58,920
there's a reason for you know, if you look at

584
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,920
the art and I'm not getting it to some goofy

585
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,880
conspiracy thing, but if you think about the architecture of Washington,

586
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,679
d C. It's all laid out to present a certain

587
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:12,719
belief system, a certain meaning concerning the ideas of America.

588
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,159
And it doesn't matter whether you think that's good or bad.

589
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:20,199
That's what the architecture of DC is laid out to

590
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,079
demonstrate to show, and architecture has always been this way.

591
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,239
It encapsulates the spirit of a people the ideals of

592
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,599
a people and so forth, and so to blast those

593
00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:36,960
things away and then erect anew is precisely you said,

594
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,639
a projection of power. And I think that ultimately the

595
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:43,960
spirit behind it is the spirit that's anti human. And

596
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:49,639
that's why the modernist architecture is cold, angular box like

597
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,360
you know, it's the slab from two thousand and one,

598
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:59,960
from beyond right, it's the monolith. It's supposed to demonstrate

599
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,039
that the new era, the new order, the new aon whatever.

600
00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:08,599
It is not going to be about man. It's going

601
00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:12,519
to be about going beyond man. Post That's the whole

602
00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:15,800
point of it. Is to be posthuman. And being posthuman

603
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:21,400
means first and foremost, the erasing of any kind of groupings,

604
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,480
collective groupings existing as a part of a gender, a tribe,

605
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:30,159
a culture, whatever, religion. Throw all that away, and we

606
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:33,039
are going to enter into the new. It's I call

607
00:38:33,079 --> 00:38:36,119
it the fetish of the new, which it's not really

608
00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:43,400
possible to be completely new. But that is the false gospel,

609
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,000
so to speak, right, that the system is going to

610
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:50,800
give you something completely new, a utopia. You know, all

611
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,920
all of these platitudes that are poured forth, which ultimately

612
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,400
as we see, and then, as many of them admit

613
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,519
in their books, version else says ha ha ha. Ultimately,

614
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:03,400
I'm going to stamp out your freedom, that's the I

615
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,760
want to stamp out your consciousness, which, by the way,

616
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,679
how are you going to stamp out consciousness if humans

617
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,920
don't have consciousness? Right? I thought we were just matter, right,

618
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,480
we're just animals yet, but yet they want to stamp

619
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:21,039
out the human spirit, free will, and consciousness, which means

620
00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:22,280
that those things are real.

621
00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: So that that back to back to brave New World.

622
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,239
So the the elite of the elite who are foisting this,

623
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:35,039
you know, soulless, materialistic uh Dawkins ideology on the masses,

624
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:39,599
they themselves don't even believe that. I don't think so, yeah, because.

625
00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:44,079
Speaker 2: You'll see that in many of their people talk about

626
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:47,400
the bloods and the brains. So you have the blue bloods,

627
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,800
the old money families and so forth and so forth,

628
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,519
and you have the brains, right, the Kissingers, the Brazenskis

629
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:56,360
and so forth, and the birch and Russells. And they'll

630
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,280
speak that way quite quite often. They'll say, you get

631
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,119
the the impression that they don't really believe a lot

632
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:04,159
of what they put out to the.

633
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: Public, and so so this here, let's make a comparison here.

634
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:15,679
So you have the the crystal cities of Dubai built

635
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:20,599
with oil money by those monarchs, and and in Geda

636
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,519
and Katar and Doha as well, and these these sort

637
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:29,679
of monuments there these this hypochondriatic sort of society of

638
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,880
everything's hermetically sealed and clean. Then we have on this

639
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,760
sort of the extreme left wing in America. If you've

640
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,760
seen this film Zeitgeist, at the at the end, it

641
00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:44,960
talks about this left wing utopia. Uh, this this I

642
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,400
don't know what the Venus Project, I think it was called,

643
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,679
and where there's no money and everything's perfect and everything's

644
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,840
clean and no one gets sick and et cetera. To me,

645
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,559
those are those are mirror images. You know, there's no

646
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:01,320
difference that you know, So in the West and in

647
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,480
the East, we still have these almost mirrored cults, if

648
00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:10,559
you will, and they're identical. I can hardly take that apart.

649
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:12,559
When I look at some of the you know, the

650
00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:16,559
building promotional development videos from the GCC, and I look

651
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:20,039
at the end of Zeitgeist, I see, you know, it's

652
00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:21,960
pretty much the words might be slightly different, but.

653
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's right. Yeah, the zeitgeist socialist un model,

654
00:41:26,639 --> 00:41:29,239
and that is associated with the UN through Jaques Fresco.

655
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:34,679
That is all one side of the dialectic where you

656
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,800
might tie that into communism in the previous decades. And

657
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,239
on the other side you have the Reagan Thatcher right

658
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:49,519
wing so called pseudo conservative American neo conservative, free markets, liberty,

659
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:52,079
blah blah blah. That's the other side of the dialect

660
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:54,440
and I know, you know they're dialectic. One one good

661
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:57,320
funny clue to this is that in Brave New World

662
00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:01,480
in the future, the characters aren't after Marx and Ford.

663
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,679
It's the year of our Ford, not the year of

664
00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:08,519
our Lord. One of the central characters is Bernard Marx,

665
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,679
and his point is that it's two rows that lead

666
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:16,639
to the same destination, right, because what are they both about. Well,

667
00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:21,079
they're both about centralization of wealth, centralization of power, and

668
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,280
the destruction of previous existing cultures. Right. And this is

669
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:29,159
why even there was even a big meeting between the

670
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:34,960
capitalist West and the so called communist East many times

671
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,280
over throughout the period of the Cold War. One of

672
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,760
those was in I think nineteen eighty eight, at Malta

673
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,360
where Bush and Gorbachev met. And isn't it interesting too

674
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,239
that's speaking of to tie all this in when you

675
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,440
look at the nineties in Russia, well, that was just

676
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:54,199
an IMF scam through Clinton, Larry Summers and others to

677
00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:57,800
loot Russia of billions of dollars. I think it was

678
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,119
something like five hundred billion dollars where eluded up of

679
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:02,760
Russia under the the I m F scam. That was

680
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:08,119
all promoted through entities like the Carnegie Carnegie Endowment right

681
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,079
in Moscow. Right, So you had all these NGOs, these

682
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,079
think tanks soft power that you talked about that was

683
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:20,599
all prepping and and seeding and moving people ideologically to

684
00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:23,280
you know, to accept the idea, oh, we've got to

685
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,039
go with Yeltsin because he's gonna he's gonna set us free,

686
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:29,320
he's going to bring liberty. And the country was looted.

687
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,440
Then incomes imp and they say, oh, yeah, well we'll

688
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,639
save you sign on to all of our Western plans. Right,

689
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:39,519
And you see that exact same model everywhere.

690
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: And so you know, there's so soft power and then

691
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,239
there's hard power. And if you the two to two

692
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:51,599
of the oldest continually habited cultures in cities in the world.

693
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:55,079
One of them is Damascus and Syria, and the other

694
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:00,400
and Aleppo, uh and and also Yemen, Okay, Iraq maybe

695
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,440
before that to a lesser degree, completely obliterated and demolished.

696
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,920
But look at Yemen, the continuously have inhabited buildings jay

697
00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:13,639
of some of the oldest that you could find in

698
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:18,760
the world, and in Syria too, and look what's being destroyed.

699
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:25,039
I think it's targeting is done intentionally. Is a lot

700
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:26,880
of people overlook this and it might seem like an

701
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,039
elementary point, people like, yeah, uh whatever, No, it's still

702
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:34,440
an important point to underline. They're looking for these buildings,

703
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:40,079
they're looking for these artifacts of heritage. Yeah, and these

704
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:41,159
are the first targets.

705
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,599
Speaker 2: It's another great example that was in the Protestant Reformation

706
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,599
with all of those when many of the Reformers were

707
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:55,440
smashing monasteries in Catholic churches and so forth, that was

708
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,559
not just an ideology, that was actually at the best

709
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:05,960
of different princes and Protestant kings that supported that ideology

710
00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:09,239
because that allowed them to confiscate what was in those

711
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,079
monasteries and churches. Right, So I mean this is just

712
00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:15,639
kind of common sense that you can dupe a bunch

713
00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:20,119
of people with an ideology and grab a bunch of money, right,

714
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:22,920
I mean, that's part of it. But it also has

715
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:30,599
the effect of destroying the symbolic structures that form part

716
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:35,239
of the cohesive identity of peoples. So absolutely, that's This

717
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,440
kind of iconicism, as it's called, is very useful at times.

718
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: It's kind of like pulling the rug out from under

719
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:48,679
a culture if you will, obliterate all of the reminders

720
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,400
of their past greatness and not so greatness as well.

721
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,360
But people don't just preserve the good stuff. People preserve

722
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,480
the bad stuff too. I've seen as a reminder of

723
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,760
maybe lessons learned and pass not to repeat and so forth.

724
00:46:02,119 --> 00:46:05,320
Those also get destroyed as well. Yeah.

725
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 2: Bert and Russell says that you're not going to be

726
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,360
reading Shakespeare in the New World Order. That'll be banned.

727
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,440
Yeah yeah, Now whether you I mean, I'm not saying

728
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,440
Shakespeare's ideal, but the I mean, there's things that are objectionable,

729
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,599
that's not the point. The point is that it's about

730
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:27,480
erasing the past, and that's two make you a citizen

731
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:31,119
of the new Order, that's the whole point. And you can't.

732
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,119
You can't be that if you have a past, heritage,

733
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:36,440
a memory and so forth, and that has to all

734
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:37,119
be wiped away.

735
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,639
Speaker 1: And can you stick around after we're going to take

736
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:41,719
a short station break. Can can we can we hold

737
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,360
on to you Jay for the next segment? Sure, Okay,

738
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,199
We're gonna stick it with Jay Dyer. A great conversation.

739
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,280
We're going to get into a little more of the

740
00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:52,639
detail after this break. Take a short station break with

741
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,079
the Alternate Current Radio Network. I'm your host, Patrick Henningson.

742
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:00,039
This is the sun Welcome back, Welcome back, ladies and

743
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:03,800
gentlemen to the Sunday Wire. I'm your host, Patrick Henningson.

744
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,079
We're streaming out live on the Alternate Current Radio Network

745
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,000
and also at twenty first century wy dot com. And

746
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:14,320
if you missed any of the live broadcast, you can

747
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,760
go to iTunes and a number of other platforms after

748
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,320
the show, but also at twenty first century Wire dot com.

749
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,400
You can listen to it at your leisure and you

750
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,480
can download it. We should have the track up minutes

751
00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:29,239
after the show. And the first segment with ken Stone

752
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:34,400
was brilliant. Great to have a first hand account, and

753
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,280
we're very privileged to get some of these people on

754
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,039
the show to give us their take and firsthand experiences.

755
00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:44,719
It's always valuable, along with the great articles as well.

756
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:48,599
Now we're going to get back to our guest, Jadarve,

757
00:47:48,639 --> 00:47:50,760
but before we do that, I just wanted to also

758
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,840
mention that in this kind of dovetails with our conversation

759
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,519
that we're going to have in this segment with Jay. Now,

760
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,360
Vanessa Beiley published an article at twenty first Century Why,

761
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,559
which is to me one of the must read articles

762
00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:13,480
in recent weeks. It's called George Soros the Anti Syria Impresario. Now,

763
00:48:13,679 --> 00:48:17,360
let me tell you, I'm not crying wolf or anything here.

764
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,440
And I know there's a lot of alternative media talk

765
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:25,199
show hosts and who constantly are trumpeting about how they've

766
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:29,000
been hacked, attacked and everything. Listen, get we've been hacked,

767
00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:33,079
We've been attacked. I don't always talk about it, Okay. Now,

768
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:38,199
I posted Vanessa's article on Facebook last two nights ago,

769
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,079
and before I went to bed, it was flying. I

770
00:48:41,159 --> 00:48:44,599
was got like one hundred and ten shares. It was

771
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:49,679
going clocking up quite a few views. Great article, full

772
00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:52,480
of what I call eye candy as well, nice charts

773
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,519
and things like that when I woke up in the

774
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:59,119
morning it was deleted from my personal page. I posted

775
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:03,320
it and it made me think, who took this off

776
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:11,920
of Facebook? Was Facebook's communitarian police or was it something else?

777
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,639
And it was to me. Then I thought, well, this

778
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,639
article is gold. It has some powerful information in it.

779
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,840
I'm not exaggerating. Go look at that article. Read it.

780
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:25,480
If you're not familiar with this material, tell me if

781
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,679
your jaw isn't dropping. Okay, And this is timely as well.

782
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:35,800
So this is the George Soros soft power industrial complex

783
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,599
where if you've got the money to throw a to

784
00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:42,360
spread around, and if you've got the money and you

785
00:49:42,519 --> 00:49:46,239
have the ground teams, the street teams, and you've got

786
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,679
the operators at the management level, you can do lots

787
00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:54,360
and lots of things, not always nice things around the world,

788
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,199
all in the name of progress and freedom and democracy

789
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,239
and open society. Okay, that's a hell of an open

790
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:06,639
society when you're hacking in and deleting people's article. And

791
00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:10,480
it proves the point. Okay, and I'll let Jay jump

792
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,440
in here. Sorry, I'm going to go on a rant,

793
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,039
But it proves the point that all these people who

794
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:20,440
are throwing their billions around to export freedom and democracy.

795
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,800
They don't believe in a free press and much less

796
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:29,360
a free speech, and that was proven to me this week. Okay,

797
00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:34,880
so it's all a big con hypocrites of the highest order. Okay,

798
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:39,360
sorry for that rant. But I think I look at

799
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:44,480
this situation, Jay, and I wonder, you know, there's a

800
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,159
lot of people who are understanding this now, but you

801
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,440
really don't understand it till you sort of get cuffed

802
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,920
on the head or punched in the nose, and then

803
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:57,519
you really realize that you're not dealing with In other words,

804
00:50:57,519 --> 00:50:59,519
they're not playing good cricket basically.

805
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I posted some stuff last night and it

806
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:12,400
was immediately thronged by numerous comments ten twenty thirty within

807
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:17,960
a few minutes from flat earth and neo Nazi troll accounts.

808
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,800
So I know this is very real. Go post a

809
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,760
video and say on YouTube and then within a few

810
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,360
minutes you've got five ten twenty thumbs down and it's

811
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:33,480
not even possible to have heard the discussion. They'll, you know,

812
00:51:33,639 --> 00:51:38,480
suppress your views on your site. They will run these

813
00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:42,000
bots and troll accounts that will you know, post all

814
00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:48,719
ridiculous comments that just immediately flood the page within no time.

815
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,280
So yeah, that's all very real. And you know, you

816
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,159
were actually saying this, you know, several weeks ago that

817
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,519
we were talking and you pointed out that this is

818
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:00,920
something to look for and expect. You know, we're going

819
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,920
to start seeing more of this, especially on these centralized

820
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,639
media platform social media platforms. What this does Twitter, Facebook,

821
00:52:08,679 --> 00:52:12,280
So this gives the establishment ultimately unfortunately the you know,

822
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,440
the ability to really censor and erase things.

823
00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so centralized. So this, this is what's happening, and

824
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:29,239
there's a very huge centralization of content and information. They're

825
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,920
in the process of knocking out independent blogs and they're

826
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,880
doing this by promoting Apple and some of the big players,

827
00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:41,239
promoting ad blocking and then getting you to basically you

828
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,119
and I will have to go and join Apple's news app,

829
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,159
Apple News exactly, and then we have to go. Then

830
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:50,880
they make the money, and then we have to qualify.

831
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 2: To be in their rules as to what can be posted. Yeah.

832
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,840
You know, monetization through YouTube videos is of both a

833
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:03,760
pro and a corn situation because I've had several instances

834
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,400
where Google will just arbitrarily say that the content that

835
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,679
you've uploaded is sensitive so you won't get any monetary

836
00:53:13,639 --> 00:53:17,679
accrument based on the ads because it's sensitive material. And

837
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,159
who knows who decides what's sensitive, right, So if you

838
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:23,360
talk about the Brussels attack, that's sensitive material.

839
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could have made Listen, I could have made

840
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,360
thousands of dollars on YouTube. And for people who follow

841
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,360
this website, who listen to this show, you'll notice one thing.

842
00:53:33,199 --> 00:53:36,280
I stopped posting videos on YouTube a couple of years ago.

843
00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:41,320
And we've I've produced television shows, I've done lots of

844
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,760
different things, but I didn't want to be I didn't

845
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,800
want to have to be looking over my shoulder with

846
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:51,039
this kind of Nazi regime of communitarianism all the time,

847
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,519
and so I just stopped making videos because it was

848
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:59,440
just like it was a minefield. And yeah, I could

849
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:03,079
have made a few thousand dollars here and there over

850
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:06,000
that time, but the sort of rich content that I

851
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:08,519
wanted to produce, and you know, and also bringing in

852
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,599
material from pulling in stuff and doing sort of complex

853
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:17,360
assembly of ideas and multimedia this this is very difficult

854
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,320
to do with YouTube. You could be playing by the

855
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,719
rules Jay, as you well know, and then someone in

856
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,679
the communitarian world can go and file a complaint, which

857
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,760
they do on Facebook and get rid of you. Yeah,

858
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:33,039
knock you out. Basically, it's a bogus system. Basically, it's

859
00:54:33,039 --> 00:54:37,760
called communitarian Uh, it's corporate communitarianism basically, and it's a

860
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,719
it's a de facto censorship in my mind. But it's

861
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,119
either that or go and just turn on my webcam

862
00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:49,239
and and do these sort of mindless YouTube videos that

863
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,079
that everybody's everyone's doing or you know, I won't mention

864
00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:56,519
any names, you know, but people who speak to camera

865
00:54:56,599 --> 00:55:00,360
and you know, pass themselves off as philosophers and and

866
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,239
the great minds of our generation. I really don't want

867
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,559
to be in that sort of scrum.

868
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:06,159
Speaker 2: Yeah.

869
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:11,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, So but getting back, getting back to the core conversation, Jay,

870
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:16,119
soft power. Now, first, first there was soft power. Now

871
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:23,000
it's now it's smart power. Okay, So first comes hard

872
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:27,679
you know, hard power, the hard hand force, then soft power,

873
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:32,800
then smart power. Smart power is the NGO complex, and

874
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:39,280
it's the human rights industry and uh this is done

875
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:44,360
by stealth. Uh, it's international. It's been very effective up

876
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,880
to a point. I'm getting the feeling Jay though, that

877
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:53,079
this cell by date on this is fast approaching because

878
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:56,280
people in't even developed the world, the so called Third World.

879
00:55:57,079 --> 00:56:00,719
They're now understanding this a lot fast her and I

880
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,280
think in a way the jig is up, but it's

881
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:06,920
you know, it's still there's in the West. I think

882
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,320
it's more important on the West to be moved. You know,

883
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,800
these institutions like the National Endowment for Democraty. Most people

884
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,960
internationally will look at that as a total sham, you know,

885
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:21,039
or the Open Society Instito. But in America, if you

886
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:24,559
work for these organizations, you festoon and parade around like

887
00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:28,039
you're you know, bureaucratic royalty. Basically, you know, helping to

888
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:29,320
make the world a better place.

889
00:56:30,119 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I dated a girl who worked for the

890
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:39,480
Rockefeller Ocean Foundation, their oceanography foundation. We went on a

891
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,320
few dates, so I got to see how those functions,

892
00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:45,920
you know, firsthand from her. And that's You're absolutely right

893
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:50,760
that the idea is that that I'm here basically saving

894
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,239
the world. It's very much a Messiah complex. And I

895
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:55,599
know a lot of these people, I think, as you

896
00:56:55,639 --> 00:56:58,880
point out in your piece, are well meaning, well intentioned,

897
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,119
but but that's not you know, it's just it's naive.

898
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,039
It's it's that reminds me of met a girl from

899
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:11,079
Vanderbilt who's working with Doctors Without Borders. Look at Doctors

900
00:57:11,079 --> 00:57:15,079
without Borders. That was started by one of the heads

901
00:57:15,079 --> 00:57:17,760
of Builderberg, one of the big key players in Builderberg.

902
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:22,360
And it's very much a cover, right, we see this

903
00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:28,000
quite often. It's a classic espionage cover for missionaries USA

904
00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:29,960
things like that. But it doesn't even have to be

905
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,199
some sort of James Bond cover thing. It's really as

906
00:57:33,239 --> 00:57:38,800
you point out, the influence that these entities, these organizations

907
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:46,039
try to inculcate in foreign in regions that under under

908
00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:48,480
false auspices, is what I'm trying to say. So, whether

909
00:57:48,519 --> 00:57:53,519
its USAID or these these different organizations open society. So

910
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:58,920
they're there for quite obviously political reasons, right, it's not

911
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,719
about humanitarian and agendas. And if we want to figure

912
00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:08,400
out why that is, we look at these different Institute

913
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:13,679
for Strategic Studies, Chatham House Crisis Group, International Crisis Group, CFR,

914
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:19,000
Brookings Institute, Group of thirty f Foundation for Defensive Democracy.

915
00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:22,000
I mean, there's just infinite numbers of these these They're

916
00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:26,039
always popping up. We look back to where does this

917
00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:31,000
come from? This goes back to the roundtable groups and

918
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:35,280
the Roundtable Groups were formed to basically be the think

919
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,280
tank for back in that time the British Empire, right

920
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,880
with Cecil Rhads, Lord Milner, and so from the Oxford

921
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,719
Roundtable Groups you get the Council on Formulations as the

922
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:50,400
Western mirror to that institution, right for the American mirror

923
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:54,000
to the British institution, the Chatham House and so forth.

924
00:58:54,519 --> 00:58:58,920
And these are the planning committees, right, this is the

925
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,480
Planning st Edgy Committee. For example. A lot of the

926
00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:06,119
CFR are media persons, so people involved in media to

927
00:59:06,159 --> 00:59:09,639
be anywhere at the top of media pretty much requires

928
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:14,199
some degree of seal of approval and stamp from the

929
00:59:14,239 --> 00:59:18,840
councilor Foreign Relations. And this is how this is how

930
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:23,960
you had the CIA buying off back in the forties

931
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:28,960
and fifties four hundred journalists and top editors under Operation Mockingbird. Now,

932
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,039
if they were doing that in the forties and fifties,

933
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:37,920
does anybody think that's ceased. No, So you're absolutely spot

934
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,840
on when you point out that it's a tie in. Right,

935
00:59:41,159 --> 00:59:44,760
the mass the mainstream media works together with these kinds

936
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:52,480
of organizations to promote political agendas, namely the agendas of Washington, London,

937
00:59:53,559 --> 00:59:54,519
Israel and so forth.

938
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just watched Speaking of media, I mean

939
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:03,480
Farid Zakari from CNN is a classic case of this.

940
01:00:03,639 --> 01:00:07,559
He's got the Council on Foreign Relations Seal of approval.

941
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He often is featured as a writer there at Foreign

942
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:15,000
Policy Magazine. And I'm not saying listen, there are actually

943
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:21,840
some very good geopolitical minds who write for Foreign Policy Magazine.

944
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:24,440
I can name a few. I'm sure people who follow

945
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,920
it know there's some good ones and some really bad ones.

946
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,719
But so but people like Zacharia and then they and

947
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:37,199
also a new one in New Claire, j is Vice News. Yes. Now,

948
01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:40,320
I don't know if you're familiar with them. I've I've

949
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:44,360
had my own personal, you know, brief experiences with that organization.

950
01:00:45,079 --> 01:00:48,679
And then it doesn't take a lot to go find

951
01:00:48,719 --> 01:00:52,840
to go see that Vice News. It's being marketed as

952
01:00:52,880 --> 01:01:00,800
this kind of off road global media for the Miln generation.

953
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,960
They got their seed funding seventy dollars from News Corporation

954
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:11,039
from Rupert Murdoch. So Rupert Murdoch is a charter owner

955
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:15,000
of Vice News. So really cool for the millennials, isn't it.

956
01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:18,199
They're all people who say, I don't watch Fox, you know. Oh,

957
01:01:18,239 --> 01:01:20,960
I would never read the Sun or the you know whatever,

958
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,599
the Daily New York Daily Post or whatever. The news

959
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:27,519
corp rags are the tabloids, the conservative media, and these

960
01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:29,039
are their bank rolling Vice.

961
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, all you have to do is look at the stories.

962
01:01:31,159 --> 01:01:36,039
The Advice continually churns out, and it's always a pro Western,

963
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:42,079
pro Washington targeted messages about things, you know, how evil

964
01:01:42,119 --> 01:01:45,079
Putin is. On top of that, I should mention, by

965
01:01:45,079 --> 01:01:49,280
the way, it's all it's a constant blaunch of degeneracy.

966
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,119
I mean, Advice puts out some of the most disgusting,

967
01:01:52,199 --> 01:01:53,159
degenerate stuff.

968
01:01:53,679 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: And it's also anti Chinese. I've noticed they covered China

969
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:01,840
in a very bad way with all their roving reports too.

970
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,280
So it's just like, you know, it's it's obvious how

971
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,119
they spin it to the young to the young generation.

972
01:02:08,519 --> 01:02:10,440
So this is basically brainwashing.

973
01:02:10,639 --> 01:02:13,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this whole idea, I forget the term they

974
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:18,079
use for with this radical lone wolf journalism where you

975
01:02:18,159 --> 01:02:20,000
go in bed with isis give me a break?

976
01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Anti. So they're anti Hizbala, they're anti Russia,

977
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,800
anti Chinese, anti Syrian government. So all the things that

978
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,840
align with the US and a NATO foreign policy is

979
01:02:33,199 --> 01:02:36,480
basically expressed through vice news papers.

980
01:02:36,519 --> 01:02:43,599
Speaker 2: It's a kind of trolled the fake counterculture, the sort

981
01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:46,719
of fake journalism, you know. And you're not embedding with

982
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,480
ISIS unless you're part of the establishment. That's pretty obvious.

983
01:02:50,039 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just call up ISIS and call the media

984
01:02:53,039 --> 01:02:56,480
person and al Hayette media whatever. Yeah, we've got a

985
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,719
we're working on a little piece though. We want to

986
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,039
get sort of a to day life in Raka, and

987
01:03:02,239 --> 01:03:04,880
uh we thought, would you mind if we invent one

988
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:05,800
of our crews with you.

989
01:03:06,239 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Anderson Cooper or whoever the CBS ABC

990
01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:14,480
going in interviewing Ben Laden or c i A the

991
01:03:14,519 --> 01:03:18,880
whole Pentagon. Nobody can find in Laden, but the CBS

992
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,440
ABC reporters can go sit down and interview on and.

993
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: They're like, Isis. By the way, we're bringing our own

994
01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:26,679
beer with us, and isis Is like yeah, that's cool,

995
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,760
you know, cold cold beers after the day's filming. Yeah,

996
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:36,639
for all ISIS of course, so let's go yeah so

997
01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:42,079
uh so so. But but it's also based on this

998
01:03:42,199 --> 01:03:45,800
soft power principle, so so they always harken back to

999
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:49,039
the basically the same matrix of ideas, which is a

1000
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:55,440
human rights and uh they what else? Democracy? And and

1001
01:03:55,800 --> 01:04:00,639
the glorification of color revolutions, even though they're apps proven

1002
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:05,760
to be completely engineered from outside of these countries, and

1003
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:11,199
to to great budgets as well, billions of dollars spent,

1004
01:04:11,679 --> 01:04:16,199
including taxpayer money spent to generate some of these color

1005
01:04:16,239 --> 01:04:18,280
revolutions in George Soros and so forth.

1006
01:04:19,239 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, Well, this is what was discovered in

1007
01:04:25,079 --> 01:04:27,199
nineteen fifty two, fifty three, and fifty four with the

1008
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,960
Rece Committee. Now, I will grant that the Rice Committee

1009
01:04:31,079 --> 01:04:37,519
was stacked in terms of kind of these McCarthy ie

1010
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,079
one side of the dialectic persons. But what they discovered

1011
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,480
they thought they were investigating communism, and what they found

1012
01:04:46,639 --> 01:04:51,159
was that all of the leftist socialist communist movements at

1013
01:04:51,159 --> 01:04:54,599
that time, which were actually just another tool of those foundations,

1014
01:04:54,639 --> 01:04:57,400
they were all being funded by the Rockefeller, Carnegie and

1015
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,400
Ford Foundation. And so this aversive as they call it,

1016
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,679
and the Norman Dodd reports, the subversive movements that we're

1017
01:05:04,719 --> 01:05:10,039
promoting both internationalism and moral relativism. That was the technique

1018
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:14,920
and strategy, weaponized plan for America at that time right,

1019
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,519
that was what was needed in America in the fifties.

1020
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,519
But at other times it might be a proxy force

1021
01:05:20,679 --> 01:05:23,840
of radical as you're hot, like you're talking about, you know,

1022
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:29,239
with ISIS or previously al Qaeda, and these the tax

1023
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:34,440
refoundations are a main source of this soft power smart

1024
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:38,119
power that you're talking about. And they're a way for

1025
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,320
these oligarchs to on the one hand, hide money, right,

1026
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,159
you can hide money in a tax refoundation, and it's

1027
01:05:44,199 --> 01:05:49,880
also a way to influence masses of populations through social engineering.

1028
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,880
And so the Race Committee found all that. They discovered

1029
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,639
all that, and then they realized, oh, actually it's not

1030
01:05:55,760 --> 01:06:01,280
a bunch of you know, granola hippie tree hugging commies

1031
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:06,800
out on the street. Uh, it's actually these billionaire foundations.

1032
01:06:08,719 --> 01:06:15,199
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I lavish offices, huge expense accounts, flying business class.

1033
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,079
I mean, if you're really in the business of ending

1034
01:06:18,159 --> 01:06:21,840
poverty or whatever, you I just don't think you would

1035
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:26,239
be flying on a private jet and your rider would

1036
01:06:26,239 --> 01:06:29,679
include h I'm not I'm not picking on anyone like

1037
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:33,280
Bono or any of these other luminaries, but you know,

1038
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:37,840
your rider wouldn't include having a chef on board. You know,

1039
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,920
doing frog WI and whatnot.

1040
01:06:40,039 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just kind of well, everybody who pushes

1041
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:47,639
as lives in a palace, so that should tell you. Yeah, okay,

1042
01:06:47,679 --> 01:06:50,039
well uh jay, I'm gonna take a We're gonna take

1043
01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:53,320
a short station break if you want to stick around.

1044
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:57,079
We're going to do the final lap here at the

1045
01:06:57,119 --> 01:07:02,159
Sunday Wire into the over the Rising and the most

1046
01:07:02,159 --> 01:07:05,480
glorious last half hour of the show is a cast.

1047
01:07:05,559 --> 01:07:08,400
After the show, you can listen to the archive, which

1048
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:12,199
will be up minutes after the show on twenty first

1049
01:07:12,199 --> 01:07:15,079
century Why dot com, and you can later in the day.

1050
01:07:15,239 --> 01:07:18,239
We'll have the download link up and a podcast will

1051
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,519
be on iTunes and in some other places.

1052
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:25,679
Speaker 1: Later on in the day. Now, this week's Shout Poll,

1053
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,440
which is available right now up at twenty first century

1054
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:34,039
WI dot com. And very interesting things are going on

1055
01:07:34,119 --> 01:07:39,400
in the United States regarding the presidential election, and so

1056
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:44,760
this brings us to this week's shout poll, which is

1057
01:07:44,760 --> 01:08:00,159
is the United States a democracy or an autocracy? That's

1058
01:08:00,199 --> 01:08:04,880
the big question this week. Is the United States really

1059
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,320
a democracy or is it an autocracy?

1060
01:08:08,599 --> 01:08:08,719
Speaker 2: Now?

1061
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:13,199
Speaker 1: I want to get into a nitpicking argument about whether

1062
01:08:13,239 --> 01:08:17,600
it's an autocracy or a oligarchy, or whether it should

1063
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:22,239
be a democracy, or whether it should be a constitutional republic.

1064
01:08:23,119 --> 01:08:25,680
It could be all of those things. That really doesn't matter.

1065
01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:30,239
What matters is the idea that we've been sold that

1066
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:34,920
we live in a democracy. Is the ideas being absolutely

1067
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:38,239
dismantled right in front of our eyes and for all

1068
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:43,119
you and I laugh in a way at the sort

1069
01:08:43,119 --> 01:08:46,680
of your classic liberal left wing people that have pre

1070
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:50,159
trumpmatic stress disorder, who are totally afraid and scared and

1071
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:54,600
obsessed with Donald Trump. That all of you people who

1072
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:59,560
support Bernie Sanders, you should be thanking Donald Trump and

1073
01:09:00,119 --> 01:09:05,039
Bernie Sanders. Trump supporters should be thanking Bernie Sanders, because

1074
01:09:05,079 --> 01:09:09,239
both of these candidates are exposing the sham, the complete

1075
01:09:09,239 --> 01:09:16,479
what I call the chitty chitty bang bang version of democracy.

1076
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:21,680
It's totally rigged, it's totally fixed. It's designed for one purpose.

1077
01:09:22,079 --> 01:09:27,680
It's overly complex to keep any outsiders or insurgent, God forbid,

1078
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:33,199
anybody who's actually popular from breaking in to the houses

1079
01:09:33,239 --> 01:09:36,520
of power in the United States. So this is our

1080
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,159
shout pole. I encourage you to go to twenty first

1081
01:09:39,119 --> 01:09:41,359
Century Wire. There's a link on the show page. If

1082
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:44,439
you're listening right now at the Sunday Wire. Go ahead

1083
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,000
and vote at that shout pole. And we've got some

1084
01:09:47,119 --> 01:09:50,079
interesting comments. There's an interesting debate which is already forming

1085
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:54,640
inside the poll, which is great. This is why we

1086
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,119
designed it this way, why we like it this way,

1087
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,239
because you don't just vote, but you can have a

1088
01:09:59,279 --> 01:10:04,000
debate at the same time. And so back to Jay Dyer.

1089
01:10:04,319 --> 01:10:08,319
He's our guest in this final half hour Overdrive. Jay,

1090
01:10:08,359 --> 01:10:11,239
I'm gonna play you a clip. Okay, I'm gonna play

1091
01:10:11,279 --> 01:10:14,600
you a clip of Donald Trump's son who was on

1092
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:18,159
CNN this morning. And basically I don't know if you'll

1093
01:10:18,199 --> 01:10:20,359
be able to hear this clip. Jay, you might mute

1094
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:23,920
your microphone and listen online if you've got the browser open,

1095
01:10:24,039 --> 01:10:27,680
or I'll just tell you Donald Trump Junior is basically

1096
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:35,199
calling out the whole delegate process, contested convention sham, basically

1097
01:10:35,319 --> 01:10:37,720
for what it is being able to buy off delegates.

1098
01:10:38,319 --> 01:10:40,239
Listen to this. I mean this is a kind of

1099
01:10:40,279 --> 01:10:43,199
an important rant. It's one of the most authentic. You know,

1100
01:10:43,319 --> 01:10:46,119
sometimes you can tell if someone's authentic or not. I

1101
01:10:46,119 --> 01:10:48,720
don't know what your ideas on this are, J, but

1102
01:10:49,319 --> 01:10:52,239
you can tell if someone's talking from their heart, or

1103
01:10:52,279 --> 01:10:57,079
if they're just reading off a political script. And I

1104
01:10:57,079 --> 01:10:58,840
don't know if you've heard, if you heard his son

1105
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,800
talk at all, not know, he's interesting guy. I mean

1106
01:11:03,119 --> 01:11:05,039
he might may may or not may not have a

1107
01:11:05,079 --> 01:11:09,800
career in politics later. But I'll play this rant right now.

1108
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:13,880
This is Donald Trump Junior this morning on CNN. Get

1109
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:22,800
a load of this. Been in at some point in

1110
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:26,680
your adult life, you've you've been in a bathroom or

1111
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:31,000
with a trans a transvestite or so called transgender person.

1112
01:11:31,159 --> 01:11:34,439
I mean, they tend to be in big cities and

1113
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:38,000
it's like whatever, you know, you know, people going to

1114
01:11:38,039 --> 01:11:40,680
the bathrooms to do their business and then they leave. Basically,

1115
01:11:41,159 --> 01:11:43,800
it's but it's a rare it's a rare occurrence unless

1116
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,760
you're hanging out in certain unless you're living in Soho

1117
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,319
or something. You know. It's just kind of a pointless

1118
01:11:49,319 --> 01:11:50,520
debate in my opinion.

1119
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:55,119
Speaker 2: But well, I think that in those kinds of situations

1120
01:11:55,159 --> 01:11:58,880
and in terms of this political bantering back and forth

1121
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,520
about it, it's pretty points. But I think that when

1122
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:05,560
you look at, for example, the the Nordic countries, uh,

1123
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:11,800
the oligarchs are explicitly pushing that to now they're they're

1124
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,239
talking about giving children the right to choose their gender.

1125
01:12:15,359 --> 01:12:18,399
So I don't think on one in one level, on

1126
01:12:18,399 --> 01:12:20,840
one level, it is a pointless debate, and then on

1127
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:25,199
another level it is it is for a reason. It

1128
01:12:25,279 --> 01:12:26,880
is not being talked about for no reason.

1129
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, I heard. I sorry to interrupt you, but

1130
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:34,479
I heard one MSNBC commentator. I did watch it for

1131
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:36,680
a little while. I couldn't take much much of it,

1132
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,720
but I did watch it, and she was she was

1133
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:45,520
referring to people who who basically, it's just bizarre. Jay.

1134
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,800
They're they're calling people like say that like you, me

1135
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,199
and ninety nine point nine nine nine nine nine nine

1136
01:12:52,359 --> 01:12:56,520
nine rest of the population as cis gender, like almost like, oh,

1137
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,479
they're the ones, those cis gender people, they're the ones

1138
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:03,239
who have nominated to use the gender on their birth certificate.

1139
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,359
And I'm thinking to myself, no, I'm just a male. Yeah,

1140
01:13:06,399 --> 01:13:08,359
well you know, or you're just a female. I mean,

1141
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:12,479
why you what's with the term cis gender? It's beyond

1142
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:13,840
you know, Well.

1143
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,319
Speaker 2: There's an easy way to deconstruct this because on the

1144
01:13:16,359 --> 01:13:18,560
one hand, these are the people who say that gender

1145
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,439
is a social construct, and then they turn around and

1146
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,319
believe that you can reassign your gender, that you can

1147
01:13:24,399 --> 01:13:28,079
change genders, So gender cannot both be a social construct

1148
01:13:28,079 --> 01:13:30,159
and something that you convert to at the same time.

1149
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:34,119
Those are those are contradictory things. To change your gender

1150
01:13:34,319 --> 01:13:37,039
presumes that gender is real, but they also say that

1151
01:13:37,159 --> 01:13:40,399
gender is a social construct, not real. So it's it's

1152
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:41,039
not sensical.

1153
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:43,600
Speaker 1: So the whole, the whole social enterprise there is a

1154
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,000
total fallacy. It is.

1155
01:13:45,079 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 2: But I think that the point of that clip that

1156
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,680
you played that Trump's son made was excellent in the

1157
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:54,600
sense of it shows that the Republican Party, the GOP,

1158
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,840
is not real. It's not as some entity that exists

1159
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:01,159
to so called to be a preserve so called traditional

1160
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:05,319
culture quote conservative about all. That's meaningless in the very

1161
01:14:05,359 --> 01:14:07,880
fact that they would Now I don't put a lot

1162
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:10,359
of stock into politics anyway. I think it's largely theater.

1163
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:14,680
It's pretty much WWF. But it is illustrative that clip

1164
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:18,800
in showing the fact that the two party system is

1165
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:23,479
a scam because they would rather have, especially the neo

1166
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:29,279
conservative ideology that dominates the GOP for the most part,

1167
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:33,119
They would rather have Hillary because hillary ismenable to that

1168
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:37,319
than the at least the rhetoric of Donald Trump regarding

1169
01:14:37,319 --> 01:14:41,960
things like NATO or Putin and borders and so forth.

1170
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:46,279
All of that rhetoric from Trump is contrary to the

1171
01:14:46,319 --> 01:14:49,319
false two party systems game plan.

1172
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:54,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, ttp T tip globalization. These are all things that

1173
01:14:54,199 --> 01:14:58,159
Trump speaks against. So like love them or hate him.

1174
01:14:58,199 --> 01:15:02,520
So in this sense, Jay Trump and Bernie Sanders share

1175
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,439
a lot of common political ground.

1176
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,600
Speaker 2: Actually, well, they are reflections of the population. There were

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01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:13,520
a reflection of populism. Regardless of how sincere or realistic

1178
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:18,479
they are, and whatever they're promoting, the rhetoric obviously reflects

1179
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:22,239
the majority of the opinion of the American population.

1180
01:15:23,159 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. The Koch brothers just came out today, one

1181
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:29,079
of the Koch brothers, I don't know who's who. There's

1182
01:15:29,119 --> 01:15:32,119
two of them, I think, and they just endorsed Hillary Clinton.

1183
01:15:33,279 --> 01:15:36,319
Can you believe it, Well, yeah I can't. They were

1184
01:15:36,399 --> 01:15:40,279
longtime Democratic donors back in the day, in the eighties

1185
01:15:40,279 --> 01:15:43,439
and nineties, I believe, And so yeah, they're very hip

1186
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:45,840
to the two party scam game. They've been a part

1187
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:49,079
of that for many decades. And it's another example what

1188
01:15:49,079 --> 01:15:52,199
we were talking about the previous hour of Once you

1189
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:54,319
kind of get to that level you figure out, you

1190
01:15:54,359 --> 01:15:57,279
know that it's a scam. And at a certain time,

1191
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:01,960
the Koch brothers promote libertarianism because it's I have intageous

1192
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,439
to whatever their business interests might be. And in another

1193
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:09,800
time you want to promote collectivism, socialism, leftism, progressive at

1194
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:13,239
whatever terms, all of which is essentially meaningless because it's

1195
01:16:13,239 --> 01:16:15,920
all the same game plan. It's the same game plan,

1196
01:16:16,079 --> 01:16:19,319
but it's a different rhetoric that they all speak during

1197
01:16:19,359 --> 01:16:21,880
the campaign season and they go and vote for all

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01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:26,319
the same gobbledygoot oligarchy.

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01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,520
Speaker 2: That's all that it is. And Plato said a long

1200
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,600
time ago quote democracy is the mask for oligarchy.

1201
01:16:32,319 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 1: Wow, there you go, So you I know how you'd

1202
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,960
vote in our shout pull, which is up in twenty

1203
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,800
first century. While go ahead and vote, let's get some

1204
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:46,000
activity on that debate. I voted autocracy. Basically, Jay, I

1205
01:16:46,079 --> 01:16:47,760
said that the US is an autocracy.

1206
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,319
Speaker 2: The only solution, you know, the only solution out of

1207
01:16:50,359 --> 01:16:55,760
this is a global empire with me as the philosopher king.

1208
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 1: Ah, the benevolent philosopher king. It's a great solution, Jay,

1209
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:06,399
if you can just find the right philosopher king right, Well.

1210
01:17:07,039 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 2: Me, God Emperor of Dune and if I could just

1211
01:17:10,039 --> 01:17:12,199
get some you know, some good guys in a think

1212
01:17:12,279 --> 01:17:16,039
tank to sell that ideology across the internet.

1213
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, there's hope for you, Jay, There's

1214
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:24,039
always hope. There's always there's always a future for great minds. Now,

1215
01:17:24,119 --> 01:17:26,199
I want to know what you have to say about

1216
01:17:26,279 --> 01:17:29,239
this story that's out. This will be the last story

1217
01:17:29,239 --> 01:17:32,840
we cover today this week. This is basically all over

1218
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:36,560
the news. Personally, I think it's a red herring. This

1219
01:17:37,119 --> 01:17:41,439
so called redacted twenty eight pages of intelligence reports from

1220
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:46,199
the nine to eleven Commission report and Saudi Arabia losing

1221
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:50,720
its immunity if you will, for lawsuits from the nine

1222
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:55,640
to eleven victims families and somehow insinuating that Saudi Arabia

1223
01:17:56,359 --> 01:17:59,680
is behind the tax of nine to eleven. Now, what

1224
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,319
do you mean this first, Well, it's.

1225
01:18:02,119 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 2: Funny because this shows the amnesia of the public and media,

1226
01:18:08,079 --> 01:18:11,319
because this is not news. That this was known. People

1227
01:18:11,319 --> 01:18:13,920
were talking about this in two thousand and four, Saudi

1228
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:19,279
Arabia involvement, and there were infinite endless articles back at

1229
01:18:19,279 --> 01:18:21,560
that time that dealt with it. I remember reading them

1230
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,199
back in the day, and this is all nonsense, red

1231
01:18:25,239 --> 01:18:30,399
herring distraction. This is a PC conspiracy theory. Nobody cares

1232
01:18:30,399 --> 01:18:33,840
about fingering a bunch of Saudis as involved in it,

1233
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:38,479
which is, who knows what's true in that regard? I

1234
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:40,840
mean some of it at the time of nine to eleven,

1235
01:18:41,279 --> 01:18:43,840
right after the BBC reported that some of these people

1236
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:47,920
were completely fake. The BBC still has that story up

1237
01:18:48,079 --> 01:18:53,840
of the completely manufactured hijacker. Now what does that indicate

1238
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:58,680
to us, not just that, but this whole hubbub of

1239
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:03,479
this twenty eight pages redacted nonsense. Well, again, it's a

1240
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:07,600
PC conspiracy theory. It wasn't the Saudis that told Norrad

1241
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,279
to stand down. It wasn't the Saudis that were running

1242
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:16,279
US military drills up until nine to eleven, including Vigilant Guardian.

1243
01:19:16,359 --> 01:19:20,399
It wasn't Saudi's that were offering the PENAC document, right,

1244
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:21,960
I mean, this is how ridiculous is this?

1245
01:19:22,119 --> 01:19:23,279
Speaker 1: Right? Uh?

1246
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 2: Again, it's it's this is this is a distraction in

1247
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:32,439
the It's a it's a way to corral nine to

1248
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:39,359
eleven focus into non non event, a non thing.

1249
01:19:40,359 --> 01:19:42,560
Speaker 1: Yes, it's to heard. It's to heard the public down

1250
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:46,079
another rabbit hole which is eventually going to be a

1251
01:19:46,079 --> 01:19:47,640
dead end. Yeah, none of the.

1252
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 2: Gill coons are going to go to jail over this,

1253
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:51,920
None of the people who authored PENAC, who were the

1254
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:56,039
most obvious candidates and suspects. Right, this is going to

1255
01:19:56,079 --> 01:20:01,079
point to some amorphous faction of rat call Saudis or

1256
01:20:01,119 --> 01:20:03,680
something like that, which is just nonsense.

1257
01:20:04,359 --> 01:20:09,399
Speaker 1: And the so called you know conservatives or usual establishment

1258
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:15,039
Republican suspects will grandstand now appearing to look tough against

1259
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:19,760
Saudi Arabia. And so I think what's happened here, it's

1260
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,760
the Saudis have been duped. And I think this goes

1261
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,159
back to the earlier part of our conversation Jay, where

1262
01:20:25,319 --> 01:20:29,720
you know, the the the sort of Anglo Atlanticist Anglo

1263
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:37,079
American internationalists and will use certain periods and apply different

1264
01:20:37,119 --> 01:20:41,079
techniques and tools, and use certain regimes. And in this case,

1265
01:20:41,119 --> 01:20:45,039
the Saudi Arabians have been useful in the last just

1266
01:20:45,159 --> 01:20:46,159
fifty or sixty years.

1267
01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:48,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Saddam or Goadafi.

1268
01:20:49,319 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 1: And so they set them up basically, and now it's

1269
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,880
basically this is leverage for some sort of diplomatic or

1270
01:20:55,880 --> 01:21:00,199
commercial blackmail to move to basically power nudging, if you will,

1271
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:05,439
to nudge Saudi Arabia into another position which the West

1272
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,000
wants it to do, and they felt they basically fell

1273
01:21:08,079 --> 01:21:11,319
for it. They had their man, Prince Bandar Ben Sultan.

1274
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:15,600
He was a member of the Carlisle Group and embedded

1275
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:19,279
with the Bushes quite deeply, and he drew Saudi Arabia

1276
01:21:19,279 --> 01:21:23,159
in many ways and their intelligence apparatus into this maze

1277
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:26,279
that was nine to eleven, the planning of it and

1278
01:21:26,319 --> 01:21:29,399
the execution of it. And so right now there's sort

1279
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:33,800
of you know, compromised in public opinion because of that.

1280
01:21:34,079 --> 01:21:37,560
Speaker 2: And this was all PC conspiracy theory back to Michael

1281
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:41,439
Moore's Fahrenheit nine to eleven, which pointed out all all

1282
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:46,560
of these Carlisle Group Saudi connections, which you know, none

1283
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:51,680
of that still couched in the idea of blowback, right, which, yeah,

1284
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:56,119
which blowback is ridiculous when you look at how all

1285
01:21:56,199 --> 01:21:59,439
the all of the drills and so forth that perfectly

1286
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:02,479
match up of the events of nine to eleven. Yeah,

1287
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,520
and the whole narrative itself is ridiculous. So you have

1288
01:22:06,039 --> 01:22:08,840
the movies that come along later Flight ninety three or

1289
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:12,560
whatever that's supposed to fill in the gaps. And I

1290
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,359
think that for the mass public. That's what the Hollywood

1291
01:22:15,359 --> 01:22:18,520
functions to do, as Chris has pointed out many times Poxbusters,

1292
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,920
is to fill in the gaps of people's interpretation of

1293
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:23,960
the news nuggets that they got.

1294
01:22:24,119 --> 01:22:24,319
Speaker 1: Right.

1295
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I saw that movie, and that showed how

1296
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,800
the you know, how the hijackers got their box cutters

1297
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:33,520
and took over the plane and all this nonsense. And

1298
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:36,319
then when you you know, you think about Operation Northwoods

1299
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:42,960
that talked about completely stage news, completely fake plane bombs,

1300
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,960
faked persons coming on the news and telling fake stories

1301
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:51,399
in that instance in regard to Cuba. But it's the

1302
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:56,039
same sort of model, right, drone planes, faked stuff, pulls flag.

1303
01:22:57,119 --> 01:23:01,520
Speaker 1: And then Nicholas Cage. Nicholas Cage even did a nine

1304
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:04,479
to eleven film, didn't he It was like he wasn't.

1305
01:23:04,279 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 2: A World Trade movie. I was a Yes, it was

1306
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:13,039
a Stone film, but I actually never saw that I got.

1307
01:23:13,399 --> 01:23:15,439
I remember going to see Flight ninety three and walking

1308
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:16,079
out of the theater.

1309
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:18,159
Speaker 1: It was so wow, you walked out? I did?

1310
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:20,399
Speaker 2: It was so bad.

1311
01:23:19,159 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 1: I almost did. In Zero Doc thirty, I almost walked

1312
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,840
out in the first minute. And I was with my

1313
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:29,039
girlfriend at the time, so I didn't want her to

1314
01:23:29,199 --> 01:23:32,159
you know, waste the ten pounds or whatever we paid

1315
01:23:32,359 --> 01:23:34,800
each to get in. But so I stand and I

1316
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,720
stayed through the whole film, and I looked at the

1317
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:41,840
propaganda aspect of it. But it was really hard. I mean,

1318
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,439
the first how long did you did it take you

1319
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:46,479
to walk out of the theater on flight ninety three?

1320
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:47,560
Speaker 2: Thirty forty minutes?

1321
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:51,239
Speaker 1: I think thirty? Oh you did good, you did really good.

1322
01:23:51,359 --> 01:23:55,000
Is that the one where they said let's roll. I

1323
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:56,880
think it was let's roll.

1324
01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:01,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, A bunch of shaky planes, sequences and guys's box

1325
01:24:01,319 --> 01:24:04,199
cutters taken over the plane, and all of which is

1326
01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:07,880
a nonsense, made up, you know, Hollywood stories, and that's

1327
01:24:08,359 --> 01:24:10,199
you know, that's where Hollywood comes into all this, as

1328
01:24:10,239 --> 01:24:14,520
they function to tell the story that the mainstream media

1329
01:24:15,359 --> 01:24:17,760
makes up to begin with, and then Hollywood fills in

1330
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:20,640
the rest of the tall tale. So but yeah, I mean,

1331
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:25,199
it's just I'm not sure what the signals in terms

1332
01:24:25,239 --> 01:24:30,279
of Saudi Arabia, in terms of geopolitics. Some people say, well,

1333
01:24:30,319 --> 01:24:33,479
this is the establishment signaling that they're going to dump

1334
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,359
the Saudi. I don't think that's true. They're not going

1335
01:24:35,399 --> 01:24:36,720
to dump the Saudis or anything.

1336
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 1: No, they won't, but they'll they'll apply pressure on them

1337
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,000
from different directions in order to get them to do

1338
01:24:43,079 --> 01:24:47,119
what they want basically. And they've also Saudi Arabia has

1339
01:24:47,159 --> 01:24:51,079
been led into Yemen as well, encouraged by the Pentagon,

1340
01:24:51,159 --> 01:24:55,079
by Washington. And this is also going to further compromise

1341
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,279
Saudi Arabia's standing because all the news about what they've

1342
01:24:58,279 --> 01:25:01,000
done in Yemen, the massacres, is starting to come out

1343
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:02,960
now now that Syria has calmed down a little bit,

1344
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:06,520
so again more more compromised.

1345
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of function like in the same way that presidents,

1346
01:25:12,359 --> 01:25:15,840
you know, over their four year terms will take all

1347
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:20,000
the heat for the bogus policies that they enact. You know,

1348
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,960
they're they're pat season away in a sense of you know,

1349
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:26,359
it's okay for the media to to go after that

1350
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,720
when they're really just league gates of the the Atlantis's

1351
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:33,479
establishment anyway, who are never going to receive the heat.

1352
01:25:34,119 --> 01:25:37,199
Speaker 1: So one of the legates the gets is a former

1353
01:25:37,239 --> 01:25:40,840
Senator Graham up Bob Graham I think his name is,

1354
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:45,880
and so he I think I think he's one of

1355
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:50,319
these key Panac type people. I mean, he does like

1356
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:54,439
McCain and some of these others. Does fashion himself as

1357
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,399
an outsider, a maverick, but I think he's an absolute

1358
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:01,439
part of the uh uh lablishment, if you will. This

1359
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:03,479
is him this morning on I think it was Meet

1360
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:07,960
the Press. Here he is, This is Senator Graham. This

1361
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,119
is an interesting clip, so you might want to listen

1362
01:26:10,199 --> 01:26:15,039
to this. It's extraordinary. Actually, I don't believe your word

1363
01:26:15,239 --> 01:26:17,760
that this guy is saying. Basically more of that Jay.

1364
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:23,279
So this Senator Graham a total insider, he's gatekeeping. Chuck

1365
01:26:23,359 --> 01:26:28,079
Todd is so called journalist, is totally clueless about the

1366
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:32,840
line of bully that he's being spun on. And so

1367
01:26:33,039 --> 01:26:35,880
this guy sits there in one hand, he makes sense.

1368
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,159
He starts out by saying, Jay, he says this, the

1369
01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:41,199
hijackers couldn't have done this alone. Yeah right, okay, yeah,

1370
01:26:41,279 --> 01:26:43,960
duh of course. And then at the same then he

1371
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:47,079
goes and says that Saudi Arabia started al Qaeda. Now

1372
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:51,239
that's a little bit of an oversimplification. And so then

1373
01:26:51,279 --> 01:26:58,119
he says that you know that, so basically, no US involvement,

1374
01:26:58,239 --> 01:27:02,479
no CIA involvement in al kaya To, no handling, no

1375
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:06,359
Israeli intelligence involvement in the handling of some of these hijackers,

1376
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:10,159
as is easily proven just look at some of the

1377
01:27:10,159 --> 01:27:14,920
work by Peterdale, Scott and others. It's obvious. Okay, So

1378
01:27:15,279 --> 01:27:18,159
this guy is here to divert and to create a

1379
01:27:18,239 --> 01:27:20,600
kind of a goose wild goose chase for the for

1380
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,800
the press who basically don't know there, you know what

1381
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:27,800
from their elbow exactly on any issue, much less the

1382
01:27:28,199 --> 01:27:30,880
maze that is nine to eleven basically.

1383
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:36,399
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, how ridiculous is it to finger these

1384
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:39,239
You can look at these nations as almost kind of

1385
01:27:39,279 --> 01:27:41,119
front So I guess you could say in terms of

1386
01:27:41,159 --> 01:27:44,359
the Western power establishment. I mean, I mean, what is

1387
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:47,800
Washington is kind of just another front for the you know,

1388
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:52,520
the the banking families that run this whole, this whole game.

1389
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:56,399
And so in the same way, you know what this does.

1390
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:59,159
It always allows you to, oh, point the finger over there,

1391
01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:02,319
Oh Saudi's there, did it. Oh this, you know, Saddam

1392
01:28:02,359 --> 01:28:04,600
over there, he did it. Oh this. So it's a

1393
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:07,359
never ending, like you said, a maze. It's a labyrinth

1394
01:28:07,359 --> 01:28:09,520
that you'll never ever get to the bottom of. And

1395
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:13,159
that's because the most obvious culprits are the establishment itself,

1396
01:28:13,399 --> 01:28:15,399
and it's and it really is that simple. You know.

1397
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:17,439
You just look at the panat documents, You look at

1398
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:22,880
all the people who were talking about the the the

1399
01:28:23,079 --> 01:28:25,039
drills and the so forth that led up to nine

1400
01:28:25,079 --> 01:28:28,479
to eleven Richard Clark. You know, these big security so

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called experts, they're all neo conservatives, they're all they're all

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part of the same gang, the same gaggle.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, they're never ever going to be fingered and

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put into any kind of trial or jail or whatever.

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You know, that's who stacked the nine to eleven report.

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It was all the people involved in in the in

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the cover up, uh, you know, all the all these people,

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uh work for the oligarchs. And so it's yeah, we've

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seen this so many times where the blame is put

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upon some group that may have had some minor involvement.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like the same in the drug war,

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where it's oh, we're going to bust this cartel over here,

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but you know, the CIA running the drugs is never mentioned,

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or the CIA helping those cartels, it's never mentioned. Right,

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But you can finger the middle man, the lower man,

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you know. So if there was any.

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Speaker 1: If there was any reality to any of these charges.

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I mean, if Saudi Arabia did nine to eleven, I'm

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sure it wouldn't have taken fifteen years to figure that out.

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But if there was any reality, you know, they've they've

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slapped full sanctions on Syria, on the government, you know,

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media organizations in Syria, state TV stations, they can't import

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any cameras, any electrical, any broadcast equipment. There's a full

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lockdown on that country. What did Syria do to the

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United States? Nothing? What did Syria do to anybody? Pretty much? Nothing? Okay?

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So and then full sanctions Russia, full sanctions for what

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was meant to be MH seventeen, the downing of MH

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seventeen European sanctions. So if Saudi, if they had this

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evidence that Saudi Arabia did nine to eleven, there would

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be massive sanctions drop down on that country. I mean,

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they come and go as they please throughout the United States.

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That's a joke.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not going to happen because of the situation

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that was organized with Opek via Builderberg. So the seventies

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oil crisis situation, m hmm, that was organized by Builderberg

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and I think it was William F. Ingdahl details that

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in his book pretty well. And so what that did

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was allow the Saudis to be, of course the chief

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oil that's who got the oil contract, so to speak, right,

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and so they're the cheap oil producer, suppliers and so forth.

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And that's never going to stop.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, speaking of speaking of coughing, speaking of coughing.

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If if anyone believes that nine to eleven was Saudi blowback,

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I think you've been doing too many back blowback hits

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on on the bong. Basically, it's just not feasible.

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Speaker 2: I'm not coughing from a bong, by the way.

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Speaker 1: I know you're not. I know you're not. I know,

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but it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does require the establishment's story is the most

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fantastical conspiracy there.

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Speaker 1: It's wild. Yeah, it's absolutely wild.

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Speaker 2: So I don't I don't want to get into physics.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a nine to eleven has become the

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sort of hermetic work of the alternative media, or the

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sacred hermetic work, you know, like the jfk assassination. The

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reason I don't get into it, Jay, into detail, is

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because there's a lot of people who I would call

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specialists who have you know, dedicated most of their life

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to those stories and niches. So I just look at

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their research and look at their findings. I don't feel

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compelled to do a lot of that myself because I'm

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doing a whole broad range of other topics and areas

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so well.

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Speaker 2: And I'll have to do is focus on the big,

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the big picture and the big the big pieces of evidence,

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you know, Norad standing down the drills, the drills event

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to the event, past drills like Operation Northwoods that are

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the same, very much like the MG seventeen scenario, very

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much like that.

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Speaker 1: That's very north Woods actually MH seventeen.

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Speaker 2: In Panac And who stood to gain? You know that?

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What else do you need, really.

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Speaker 1: Key bono? Who benefits? Yeah, a little bit of Latin.

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So that is going to be it for this week's

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edition of the Sunday Wire. I do thank everybody for

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joining us. Jay Dyer, thank you for holding on with us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and for this I could please let me I

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would like to encourage listeners. If you like the material

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that I presented, help me out by subscribing to Jay's analysis.

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You get my talks and lectures for four ninety five

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order my book So so Tery Hollywood. You'll see the

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links there at Jay's analysis as well as Jamie Hanshaw's

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book Sooteric Colley. I mean, excuse me, Hollywood, my control.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be a big seller. Jay. The

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book's coming out in June, right it is. Yep, it's

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going to be a bit. It's already a big seller

1490
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because I know, I've seen I've seen the links, the

1491
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clicks through. There's a lot of interest in this book, Jay,

1492
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because I think it's totally unique. There's no one who's

1493
01:33:41,279 --> 01:33:43,239
done it before. So yeah, it's going to be.

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Speaker 2: A Hollywood scandal book. I want to point that out.

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You might be thinking from the title, oh, this is

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just another one of those you know, who did Marilyn

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Monroe sleep with? No, no, No, it's not that at all.

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It's something completely different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Esoteric Hollywood. That's going to be the must

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have item this summer. Author is Jay Dyer. And also

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thank you to Ken Stone, our earlier guests, and everybody

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our listeners at twenty first Century Wire Sunday War all

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01:34:11,239 --> 01:34:15,840
our supporters, We thank you, and we will be making

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01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,960
some big announcements next week. So do stay tuned. I've

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got a fantastic segment lined up next week. I've got

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a guest, one of the best geopolitical analysts in my opinion, around,

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He's going to be joining us for a two hour segment.

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We're going to hit Africa, We're gonna hit everything in

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that segment. It's going to be definitely one not to miss.

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I'm Patrick Kennings and your host. Have a good day

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and we'll see you next week.