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Our next guest, Uh. He is the author of the
much anticipated upcoming uh probably eventually will be in my
mind anyway, a bestseller s so Teric Hollywood from trendon
Day Publishing, and he's also uh the editor and founder
of Jay's Analysis uh dot com. There's a link to
it on the show page and UH, you know this,
I'm looking up at the stories at Jay's Analysis right
now and it's just fascinating. Uh. We've also got you know,
I'm not going to talk about Prince's death this week.
We'll leave that off the uh So we're not going
to talk about Prince and we're not going to play
Dove's cry uh in the background like every single mainstream
media outlet is doing. I don't know, have I got
have I got that on the soundboard? I don't know.
I'm Badger. Can you hear Prince in the background there?
I'm not sure if Badger's listening or not.
Speaker 2: But impersonation for you?
Speaker 1: Oh please don't.
Speaker 2: Uh So I had about ten print songs. I was
going to sing the full full song here for you.
Speaker 1: Okay, now I'm just gonna cut that chase. We're not
going to But anyway, Jay Dyer, thank you for joining
us this week. I really appreciate it. I know you've
been uber busy. Awesome articles from from Yours and Soul
of the East on the Bolshevik one is really fascinating
up at jasonalysis dot com. But you know, really good stuff,
deep deep, deep thinking, uh for the everyday man. That's
what jason Analysis provides, and so in short supply these days.
But but so, how how's how's the book coming along.
I just want to get that out the way first.
I mean, you must be the pre orders I'm sure
are coming in right.
Speaker 2: As I understand that he's gotten quite a few. So yeah,
the book is finished. I finished it last week and
it was pretty hllacious going back and putting in the footnotes.
But I think it's going to be a great tool
for giving to family members that you want to kind
of wake them up right to the way the world
really works is everybody likes movies. Not everybody's into your
geopolitical peculiarities, but everybody likes movies. So give them my book,
and I think it'll help to you know, people will
see movies in a new way. And I ended up
with four hundred and four footnotes. So many of those,
by the way, are twenty first century wire articles, so
you'll be happy to know that you're referenced in their
Patrick as well as Sean Helton and the good Fellows
over at Sold the East excellent.
Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, Sean is investigating Prince's untimely death,
so that's a big warning for if there's any Shenanigans
going on. I think Sean's probably going to dig it up.
He's already he's already, he's already guys his request in
for the toxicology reports. So it looks like another Michael
Jackson circus. And we're not talking about Prince Jay today.
This is not why we're here. The theme of the
show Jay is glass temples, and it's a little bit abstract.
And you know, we had a discussion the last hour
with ken Stone about Palmyra, and I had some pretty
stark experiences while I was over in the Middle East
regarding archaeology, regarding heritage, regarding modernism, and I saw the
real clash of civilizations. Jay. It's it's not the West
versus the East, or the White Man versus the Arab
To me, the real class of civilizations is much deeper,
and it's much more profound than the geopolitical definitions. To me,
it goes deep in to the heart of what you
might call modernism and traditionalism. I think it's in this direction.
I wanted to bring you on to talk about this
because there's a lot of psychology as well behind here.
We can psychologically profile different epochs, different times, different eras.
There's a mindset that I think has been it is hereditary.
I think it's carried on, it's carried over and taken
different form from the past great civilizations to and fallen
civilizations to today, which one day. You know, we're sitting
pretty right now, but there are many civilizations right now
on this planet that are running and functioning that will
be fallen civilizations one day. And so that is I'm
really concerned about this because my concern, Jay, isn't it
It might be a frivolous concern. I think there's still
a lot to learn from past civilizations. I still believe
there's a lot of knowledge lost, a lot of wisdom,
and I think there's a place for it in our
everyday life now. Not everyone agrees with me on that.
Modernists are like, no, just pave it over, forget about it.
It's all about technology and transhumanism and big glass temples basically.
So where do you stand on this?
Speaker 2: Initially, Well, I would start out by saying that I
don't think we need to ever pause it any kind
of a false dialectic between the idea of will you
either choose modernism or you're some sort of blood heed
obscurantists who's left in the past or left worshiping the past.
Tradition as I see it, as I understand it is
always a kind of dynamic, living process. It's never some
sort of stultified museum piece. It's always something that's in process.
But you can never be completely a historical you can
never completely get away from it any kind of roots
or lineage by the simple fact that all of us
come from some family and some parents. And so if
you think about the family, if we were fortunate enough
to grow up in some sort of father mother household,
and we're not raised by a test raising a test
tube or something like that where we're going, then we
know that we were given some kind of culture, some
kind of tradition. Now that doesn't mean that it's necessarily correct,
or that it didn't have flaws, or that things weren't wrong,
perhaps about the tradition that we were given as a
child and so forth, or the culture of the nation
that we grew up in. But I think that the
false ideology that is that undergirds modernity put in its
successors and postmodernity, and what ultimately I think leads to nihilism.
It's the idea that you can some now be completely
free from anything that binds you to the past. And
in terms of I think what you're getting at philosophically
is this notion of radical individualism, which is the ideology
that's been foisted upon I think the Western world. That's
pretty much the Western ideology, especially if you look at
say the Rand Corporation and their whole as one of
the premiere think tanks of the last century. Their whole
ideology is called rational choice theory. Now what is this, Well,
this is the idea that the way to manipulate individuals
is to appeal to the fact that they're going to
choose as an individual for their own self interests. And
so when we look at something like the Rand Corporation,
which I think is a pre eminent example, this is
this is what crafted the Cold War. This is what
crafted the idea of mutually sure destruction, the nuke threat.
It craft did the idea of the commies are going
to get us. They're everywhere, they're infiltrating everything, And it
crafted the idea of consumerism, the transition out of a
production based economy into a completely service based economy. It
sold us on things like Obamacare ultimately, and on top
of that, it also marketed the first and second Operation
Operation does at Storm, in Operation Iraqi Freedom. These are
actually creations of the Rand Corporation. And what is the
how did they do all this well? Because they have
this idea that what we need to do is to
sell everybody on the idea that their own personal, hedonistic
desires are the only way that they can be quote free.
And they say this explicitly in numerous corporation publications. So
I would I would see that as a main ideological
force in what crafted the modern American West as we
know it. And I would say that obviously America and
the ideology of America is what pretty much dominates the
what we might call the atlantisys power block right, which
would be US, UK, Israel, France and so forth. And
so that whole ethos that then seeks to force the
rest of the world into that ideology of necessity. It
has to destroy any existing perhaps firewalls we might call them,
and that would be anything from history, culture, tradition, family, nation, state,
et cetera, et cetera. All those things have to go
because there seem to be aspects of the old way
of doing things and everything is now supposed to transition
into a completely New World, and it's really the as
you pointed out in your excellent article, the smart power
industrial complex. That's the chief goal they have, right. So,
in other words, the Rank corporation pretty much has a
whole slew of offspring that are much like it insofar
as they deal with safe foreign policy or think tanks
dealing with a certain region like Middle East or whatever
crisis groups. You know, there's myriad of these of these institutions,
and what they do is essentially churn out constant white
papers to reformulate and reorganize entire regions. And so you
mentioned the Middle East, Well, we only need think of
the Odinya non Plan, which was the Israeli plan from
several decades ago regarding what would happen in the Middle
East in our day, and we actually see the playing
out of that presently, and that would include these situations
in Libya in now Syria. And so this is how
we can fit the events in our day into this
larger scheme is by looking at some of these key
white papers and policy papers and so forth that you
outlined in your article and that I also outlined in
an article I did called Isis Feminists and Thugs dupes
of the foundations and think tanks, and so what do
you see is across all of these movements, whether it
be Air of Spring or whether it be the promotion
of feminism and women's rights in other countries by the
Rockefeller and Ford Foundation, what you see is a common
theme of quote democracy, humanitarianism, individual liberty, and freedom from
all constraints supposedly. But what those things actually are is
as you called them accurately, they're called soft power. They're
soft power techniques of swaying mass perception and opinion to
get inboard with some power blocks strategy for the region.
And that's I think the best way to sum it
up is that it's really about duping peopleeople into buying
into something that services another engender, namely Washington's foreign policy,
mainly when you're talking about the Middle East and other
regions Russia, Ukraine and so forth.
Speaker 1: So on one hand, they're building up this kind of
identity politic or the sort of totems of identity politics
like you animated in your article isis feminists and thugs.
And then on the other hand, they're tearing down culture,
identity in the same place at the same time, and
this is to me the most extraordinary thing that it's
kind of it's kind of you can see it when
you go there, you can see it actually happening in
front of your eyes. And and so what is is this?
Because if you obliterate someone's cultural identity, then you really
obliterate there is your cultural identity. And here's my question.
Is your cultural identity your true political identity in many ways?
And if you smash that, if you bliterate it, then
you've really obliterated your political power as well.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And that is you find that specifically spoken of
in the white papers. So I think of Alex Eveya's
book Soldiers of Reason about the Rank corporation, and he
discusses this very point. He talks about how to Now.
Sometimes I should add, sometimes radical say nationalism or radical
left or radical right could be useful to global strategists
and think tanks and so forth, So it's not always
an either or. Sometimes those things could be useful for
manipulation as well, like as you said, identity politics. But
I think that if you look at the big, big scale,
long term plans, it's ultimately about getting rid of all
of those things. And that's why the Rank corporation, for example,
deals with big scale philosophies, big scale ideologies, right, rational
choice theory being how can we sell everybody on the
idea that your individual hedonistic desires are the best way
for you to be happy and free? And so rational
choice theory dictates that whatever means, there might be a
period where you want to promote radical identity politics and nationalism,
but then down the road that transitions into something else. Right,
And this is Alvin Toffler talks about this in Third Wave,
where he says that we might need to promote things
like veganism. We might need to promote certain things that
can steer a movement of philosophy and ideology and identity
in a certain direction for a time period in order
to get to that final goal. And I think, I
know I brought it up many times, but I bring
it up because of such a great example. This is
really what Aldo Sarcley says in the introduction of Brave
New World, where he says, look, there was a whole
bunch of revolutions right in the revolution, Scientific Revolution, French Revolution.
I'm going to I'm telling you how all of those
revolutions were stages in a process. Now I know that
I'm gonna get a little esoteric here, but you can
also look at Arthur Kessler who calls it alchemy. And
so when he talks about the ghost in the machine,
which is his naturalistic Darwinian materialistic statement about how the
mind of man's the mind of man, consciousness and free will,
along with Bertrand Russell saying this need to be stamped out.
This is how we create a more controlled automaton cubicle
being right, much much like the factory line process of
streamlined products, so that the man himself becomes a factory
streamline monoculture product. Right. And this is obviously you can
see quite advantageous to the international mega corporations and conglomerates
that pretty much run run the globe. So that's what
it's all about. Yeah, you might have a time where
people promote you an ideology that appeals to your ego. Right,
I'm a feminist, I'm strong, and i want to be
free from these two millennia of patriarchal tyranny. Now I'm
free because I've adopted abortion, vaccines and micro loans that
are not available to males.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: These are all strategies to break up existing things. And
as I said, how is it alchemy, Well, you have
the alchemical dictum of solving at coagula, which is the
idea that you dissolve a thing and then you remake
the thing into something new. And that is the essence
of the alchemical process. And even though the globalists the
elites think tanks types may not as a whole be
occultists or esotericist or whatever I'm sure some of them are,
it doesn't really matter because the essential game plan strategy
is that it is you break a thing down before
you build it back up, and you build it back
up into what you want it to be. And that's
what the purpose of all these thing tanks and in
g o's and so forth is. They're the ones that
are crafting the steering mechanisms.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned Alvin Toffler and the author of Future Shock,
and he talked about veganism being a sort of a
means to an end. This is the way I read
what you said there is this is climate change, the
same thing in the same used can that be used
to created and this climate change movement and be used
in the same way as that.
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, you go back to the seventies the Club
of Rome produced the boat Limits to Growth, and then
it republished that in the nineties and called it the
First Global Revolution. And you look at the First Global Revolution,
it discusses the fact that we need to create not
just some localized revolutions, some French revolutions American we need
a new revolution that's based on something that we can
get everybody behind. And what's the one common factor that
we all share it? Well, it's the environment. Everybody's in
some way an aspect of the biosphere. So if we
can sell people on the notion that it's in their
individual best interest to be a part of this whatever
it is, movement, then we can steer the globe into
things like Agenda twenty one and United Nations UNESCO plans
and gentrification zoning laws which are ultimately about creating smart
cities and target cities and so forth, all these different
communal reorganization methods for large scale social engineering. So all
of this is outlined in that very book, First Global Revolution.
You can find it's online, easy PDF download, and it
discusses the fact that open I'm not making this up.
It actually says what we need to do is events
everyone that man himself is the problem. Right, So when
they talk about CO two's being a problem carbon, that's
they're talking about life. They're saying humans, we're carbon based life. Worms,
They're saying.
Speaker 1: It's the all pervasive existential threat. In other words, it
never switches off.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, the commedi threat's gone. And now I guess that,
by the way, that was, as we said, trans created
by the Rank Corporation. That Ran Corporation also crafted and marketed,
pr sold the war on Terror, all right. That's why
you'd see Fox News in these different channels branding it
the War of Operation Freedom, the War on Terror. And
then of course Desert Storm was the first fully televised
so called war. How ridiculous is that?
Speaker 1: Desert Shield that then Desert Storm and then Desert Fox
and yeah, and.
Speaker 2: Their PubL their reality shows twenty four to seven run,
So you participate in this psychodrama, right, And so that
was all Rank corporation strategies sold and exactly you know,
how does that all tie into Well, Rank Corporation works
on the same strategies of the United Nations plans for
the environment. Rank Corporation crafts documents for how to go green.
You know, how companies can implement green strategies and green
healthcare and green thist all of that is a marketing tool.
And when you look at the origins of the so
called green movement, I don't doubt that there were many
sincere environmentalists, you know, back in the day or whatever.
But I look at earth Day. I mean, the founder
of earth Day is this guy who killed his wife
or his girlfriend, right, I mean, these are nasty people, right.
The very fact that the Club of Rome's First Global
Revolution says that the whole purpose is to convince human
beings that they're the problem and that we need to then,
of course, cut down on population. You need to go
along with banker austerity and live inside a little bitty
cubicle coffin.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: What we see in Jon Erowski's Holy Mountain, you actually
see that where they sell to the elite. The idea
of moving everybody into urban areas and putting them literally
in coffins. That was predicted in the Joan Rowski's Holy
Mountain film. That's what we're seeing implemented. That's what these
zoning laws gentrification. That's about a longer strategy of getting
everybody into urban areas to live inside agenda twenty one
cubicle coffin type environment that can all be completely controlled.
I know this sounds crazy. Target the corporation. They're making
target cities where you're actually going to I was joking
about that in talks and articles a couple of years ago.
I had no idea that was real. Right, that's where
they want to move everybody. And so when you're talking
on the Middle East and these different regions, the so
called democracy that the US is going to bring with
its bombs and so forth, and sex education, that's ultimately
about creating a whole bunch of new consumers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is this is a good segue to
the big con. This is what I So we've outlined
the introduction now for the big con. Okay, the big
con job is exactly as you just said, Jay, This
is basically setting up a monopolistic environment, a completely crony capitalistic,
monopolistic environment, where a selected few who consider themselves to
be the rightful rulers of the planetary fiefdom, a corporate fiefdom.
This is basically what it is. It's it's I think
the con is to dupe society with it. Call it
social justice, call it climate justice. Call it gender justice,
call it all these things, call it modern justice. And
it's it's to dupe you into a new environment that
is even more controlled, that even is also more devoid
of real choice and real unique experiences than before. And
it's a con. It's a huge con.
Speaker 2: It's orwelly and it's everything that's in Orwell it's it's
the whole idea of the party, the single party, bringing
freedom to everyone. And that's why you only have victory cigarettes,
victory gin, everything is victory products. Right, it's the exact
same thing. It's all annoyed. I mean, I mean, I
know we've heard about Orwell a million times, but that's
exactly what you're saying. In the world, right, everything is
it's a mono state. It's it's a monoculture. You have,
you have the you've been told since youth that you
were free, and you believe that you're free, even though
everything in your daily experience contradicts that. You choose to
believe it. And that's the great con, right, It's the
double thing that is the great con believing what is
completely contradictory to your your everyday experience. So yeah, I mean,
what one only need look at the fact that if
you can see where the place is, where America has gone,
or the foreign policy ventures in the West and so forth,
where are ethos is established, what comes with that, Well,
what comes with that is the toxic garbage culture of America.
You get all of that, all of that exported, you
get the vaccines, you get the medical establishment there the
So what I think is ultimately scammed to this Rockefeller
medical establishment is expanded coke and pepsi right, all of
that is brought to the rest of the world under
the guise of humanitarian democracy and freedom. And that usually
takes you know, regime change, color revolution, toppling of someone
deemed undesirable, or running on some older program that the
globalists instituted. Uh yeah, so it's just phase. Isn't a
business plan, I guess is the best way to look
at it.
Speaker 1: So so what I see what you know? And I
saw this. I see this in the Middle East especially,
I see time and time again, Jay, I see modernism
is used by the the Tyrell corporations of the world,
or the the you know, the the ruling oligarchy in
some cases, the monarchs. It's used by these people, these individuals,
these monopolists, I'll call them. And at the same time,
and then with their other hand, they're using the primitive
traditional uber traditionalists like the Wahabi hobbyists. And you know
what we see in Isis and al Qaeda and Salafis terrorists.
They they're so they're they're building this, They're they're thrusting
modernism as their Islamic utopia on one hand, on the
on on the backhand, they're using the primitive clerics to
browbeat everybody into shape, basically, and I see the same
in Israel. They're erasing history of Palestinian history to build
these modern which looks like California, Orange County suburbs out
and pushing out into other countries, basically guarded by the army,
changing the names of all the streets, changing the removing
archaeological finds, hiding them or destroying them. And and they're
using the ultra orthodox Jewish settlers, they're pushing them out.
They're all uber traditionalists. So they're they're playing both sides.
You know, I see this in Saudi or Israel. Absolutely,
they're playing both sides. They're using they're they're they're they're
leveraging these two forces. If you will, and I think
it's it's it's pretty obvious. You know. What the agenda
then is to basically obliterate what is the real history
what ken Stone in the last segment called the collective
human cultural inheritance, where we could say collective human cultural experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, Walmart obliterates culture and history, right, So
when a Walmart comes into a small town, it puts
everything else out of business because it's the it's pretty
much the company town model, right, everybody's going to so
eventually we just move into the Walmart. But yeah, so
think about the world as a big Walmart and think
about you know how it works in a big corporation
like that. You have a restructuring and reformatting of some
section of the store. Oh, this was the autoparts section.
Now we've got whole new displays. We need to change
that out now, right, so that the Middle East might
be like that, right, Like it's a certain way for
a while, like the CIA supporting Arab nationalism in the forties,
and then it transitions into oh, better game plan here.
We want to smash this up through the support of
the Jahad, which is what followed right after the Arab
nationalist period. The CIA then shifted over to supporting the
Jahad and all the different radical Islm's factions that you're
speaking about, and that's a great tool for smashing things up.
So it it reminds me of Maoism, Right. So if
you think about Mao's cultural revolution and how that marshaled
the energy and enthusiasm of idealistic youth, well, idealistic youth
are idiots, They're not there. It's been very much the
same with the idealistic zeal of the puritanical Islamic sex
that you're talking about. You can marshal that power and
energy into recrafting a certain region a certain way, depending
on what your needs are. I make this point many
times too. It's just like deregulation and privatization versus regulation
and government authority. Right, So people fall on either side
of this dialectic, when in actual fact, either of those
strategies can be used at different time periods. Right. So,
if you're retraging Hope, he says that FDR was working
at the behest of the bankers. So all of these
reforms that FDR did to save everybody from the depression
actually caused another depression in nineteen thirty seven because he
was printing money at the behest of the bankers. So
you can't just pay for these things out of nowhere,
that it's all foisted upon the population through inflation and
putting everybody into debt to the bankers to fix the
problem that the banker's cause, namely depression. Right, So the
collectivization and socialization in that case was a solution from
the bankers to the banker's problem of the depression. And
it's the same. So you might think, oh, we'll see
the collectivization, oh soo, then privatization is the solution. Well
then you look at Greece, in these different countries or
John Perkins's books Economic hit Man. That's where you can
have cases where deregulation and privatization is ripping everybody off.
So it's it's a strategy that can use either one
depending on what the particular situation is. And it's exact
same with the the radical sex that you're talking about.
You can use those to smash an existing culture that
might be a firewall to global of strategies or corporate
corporate strategies, or you can then turn around and promote
a far quote leftist quote progressive humanitarian agenda in a region. Right,
So it's you're absolutely right, it's it's just it's the
same as big old companies funding the green agenda.
Speaker 1: Mm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's control both sides, right.
Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of extraordinary because if you look
at I looked at the war and limpin On, I'm
looking at the war in Syria, and what happened after
the Long War in Lebanon was basically big golf money
came in, big money and American money to basically build
these giant skyscrapers half of them are empty, by the way,
and destroying everything that was underneath it, which is basically
five or six major civilizations and epochs, just completely obliterating it,
walling it off, taking a jackhammer to it, and then
building this you know, glass temple of luxury living. And
you have European architects in their celebrity architects. We talked
about this on previous shows. So in Syria we have
whole cities destroyed and they are literally at the gates
baying for the opportunity to come in and do the
same in many of these places, and I think it's
a strange mix. Jay is what I'm saying. It's there's
a short term profit motive to this because you know,
to build and to occupy land, to own land, to
build on it is an expression of power. It projects power,
and then then there's there's benefits in terms of taking
money for that as well in that process, so order
out of chaos essentially. But this is where it gets strange.
After all the bombing, after all the destroying, after building
these sort of soulless modern temples which are really Western inspired,
completely bland, you know, monolithic creations everywhere you look at Dubai.
I mean, it's and you have this, there's this kind
of monarchical, tribalistic obsession, if you will, to this building,
this clean, everything, clean and new. My question to you
is where does this urge come from? Because it is
a kind of a fetish in a way. So this
kind of fetish comes in after you deal with the
money and the power. But there's more to it than that,
I think, and I'm trying to figure it out because
it's almost like a religion in terms of those elites there.
Speaker 2: You're saying the fetish in terms of wrecking and then
erecting the monuments to modernity.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: It is a fetish because I think, in my view,
ultimately humans are in some form or fashion going to
be religious, and even if they're a religious there's still
going to be in some way operating on the belief
and some sort of Even if you believe that you're
you're your own God, you believe in some higher ideal
or notion or principle, it's I think it's impossible to
not function in that way. So it's going to be
you're operating on some program or some belief system. And
I think that what you see with the erection of
these monuments, and you're absolutely right to point out that
there's a reason for you know, if you look at
the art and I'm not getting it to some goofy
conspiracy thing, but if you think about the architecture of Washington,
d C. It's all laid out to present a certain
belief system, a certain meaning concerning the ideas of America.
And it doesn't matter whether you think that's good or bad.
That's what the architecture of DC is laid out to
demonstrate to show, and architecture has always been this way.
It encapsulates the spirit of a people the ideals of
a people and so forth, and so to blast those
things away and then erect anew is precisely you said,
a projection of power. And I think that ultimately the
spirit behind it is the spirit that's anti human. And
that's why the modernist architecture is cold, angular box like
you know, it's the slab from two thousand and one,
from beyond right, it's the monolith. It's supposed to demonstrate
that the new era, the new order, the new aon whatever.
It is not going to be about man. It's going
to be about going beyond man. Post That's the whole
point of it. Is to be posthuman. And being posthuman
means first and foremost, the erasing of any kind of groupings,
collective groupings existing as a part of a gender, a tribe,
a culture, whatever, religion. Throw all that away, and we
are going to enter into the new. It's I call
it the fetish of the new, which it's not really
possible to be completely new. But that is the false gospel,
so to speak, right, that the system is going to
give you something completely new, a utopia. You know, all
all of these platitudes that are poured forth, which ultimately
as we see, and then, as many of them admit
in their books, version else says ha ha ha. Ultimately,
I'm going to stamp out your freedom, that's the I
want to stamp out your consciousness, which, by the way,
how are you going to stamp out consciousness if humans
don't have consciousness? Right? I thought we were just matter, right,
we're just animals yet, but yet they want to stamp
out the human spirit, free will, and consciousness, which means
that those things are real.
Speaker 1: So that that back to back to brave New World.
So the the elite of the elite who are foisting this,
you know, soulless, materialistic uh Dawkins ideology on the masses,
they themselves don't even believe that. I don't think so, yeah, because.
Speaker 2: You'll see that in many of their people talk about
the bloods and the brains. So you have the blue bloods,
the old money families and so forth and so forth,
and you have the brains, right, the Kissingers, the Brazenskis
and so forth, and the birch and Russells. And they'll
speak that way quite quite often. They'll say, you get
the the impression that they don't really believe a lot
of what they put out to the.
Speaker 1: Public, and so so this here, let's make a comparison here.
So you have the the crystal cities of Dubai built
with oil money by those monarchs, and and in Geda
and Katar and Doha as well, and these these sort
of monuments there these this hypochondriatic sort of society of
everything's hermetically sealed and clean. Then we have on this
sort of the extreme left wing in America. If you've
seen this film Zeitgeist, at the at the end, it
talks about this left wing utopia. Uh, this this I
don't know what the Venus Project, I think it was called,
and where there's no money and everything's perfect and everything's
clean and no one gets sick and et cetera. To me,
those are those are mirror images. You know, there's no
difference that you know, So in the West and in
the East, we still have these almost mirrored cults, if
you will, and they're identical. I can hardly take that apart.
When I look at some of the you know, the
building promotional development videos from the GCC, and I look
at the end of Zeitgeist, I see, you know, it's
pretty much the words might be slightly different, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's right. Yeah, the zeitgeist socialist un model,
and that is associated with the UN through Jaques Fresco.
That is all one side of the dialectic where you
might tie that into communism in the previous decades. And
on the other side you have the Reagan Thatcher right
wing so called pseudo conservative American neo conservative, free markets, liberty,
blah blah blah. That's the other side of the dialect
and I know, you know they're dialectic. One one good
funny clue to this is that in Brave New World
in the future, the characters aren't after Marx and Ford.
It's the year of our Ford, not the year of
our Lord. One of the central characters is Bernard Marx,
and his point is that it's two rows that lead
to the same destination, right, because what are they both about. Well,
they're both about centralization of wealth, centralization of power, and
the destruction of previous existing cultures. Right. And this is
why even there was even a big meeting between the
capitalist West and the so called communist East many times
over throughout the period of the Cold War. One of
those was in I think nineteen eighty eight, at Malta
where Bush and Gorbachev met. And isn't it interesting too
that's speaking of to tie all this in when you
look at the nineties in Russia, well, that was just
an IMF scam through Clinton, Larry Summers and others to
loot Russia of billions of dollars. I think it was
something like five hundred billion dollars where eluded up of
Russia under the the I m F scam. That was
all promoted through entities like the Carnegie Carnegie Endowment right
in Moscow. Right, So you had all these NGOs, these
think tanks soft power that you talked about that was
all prepping and and seeding and moving people ideologically to
you know, to accept the idea, oh, we've got to
go with Yeltsin because he's gonna he's gonna set us free,
he's going to bring liberty. And the country was looted.
Then incomes imp and they say, oh, yeah, well we'll
save you sign on to all of our Western plans. Right,
And you see that exact same model everywhere.
Speaker 1: And so you know, there's so soft power and then
there's hard power. And if you the two to two
of the oldest continually habited cultures in cities in the world.
One of them is Damascus and Syria, and the other
and Aleppo, uh and and also Yemen, Okay, Iraq maybe
before that to a lesser degree, completely obliterated and demolished.
But look at Yemen, the continuously have inhabited buildings jay
of some of the oldest that you could find in
the world, and in Syria too, and look what's being destroyed.
I think it's targeting is done intentionally. Is a lot
of people overlook this and it might seem like an
elementary point, people like, yeah, uh whatever, No, it's still
an important point to underline. They're looking for these buildings,
they're looking for these artifacts of heritage. Yeah, and these
are the first targets.
Speaker 2: It's another great example that was in the Protestant Reformation
with all of those when many of the Reformers were
smashing monasteries in Catholic churches and so forth, that was
not just an ideology, that was actually at the best
of different princes and Protestant kings that supported that ideology
because that allowed them to confiscate what was in those
monasteries and churches. Right, So I mean this is just
kind of common sense that you can dupe a bunch
of people with an ideology and grab a bunch of money, right,
I mean, that's part of it. But it also has
the effect of destroying the symbolic structures that form part
of the cohesive identity of peoples. So absolutely, that's This
kind of iconicism, as it's called, is very useful at times.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like pulling the rug out from under
a culture if you will, obliterate all of the reminders
of their past greatness and not so greatness as well.
But people don't just preserve the good stuff. People preserve
the bad stuff too. I've seen as a reminder of
maybe lessons learned and pass not to repeat and so forth.
Those also get destroyed as well. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Bert and Russell says that you're not going to be
reading Shakespeare in the New World Order. That'll be banned.
Yeah yeah, Now whether you I mean, I'm not saying
Shakespeare's ideal, but the I mean, there's things that are objectionable,
that's not the point. The point is that it's about
erasing the past, and that's two make you a citizen
of the new Order, that's the whole point. And you can't.
You can't be that if you have a past, heritage,
a memory and so forth, and that has to all
be wiped away.
Speaker 1: And can you stick around after we're going to take
a short station break. Can can we can we hold
on to you Jay for the next segment? Sure, Okay,
We're gonna stick it with Jay Dyer. A great conversation.
We're going to get into a little more of the
detail after this break. Take a short station break with
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This is the sun Welcome back, Welcome back, ladies and
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You can listen to it at your leisure and you
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we're very privileged to get some of these people on
the show to give us their take and firsthand experiences.
It's always valuable, along with the great articles as well.
Now we're going to get back to our guest, Jadarve,
but before we do that, I just wanted to also
mention that in this kind of dovetails with our conversation
that we're going to have in this segment with Jay. Now,
Vanessa Beiley published an article at twenty first Century Why,
which is to me one of the must read articles
in recent weeks. It's called George Soros the Anti Syria Impresario. Now,
let me tell you, I'm not crying wolf or anything here.
And I know there's a lot of alternative media talk
show hosts and who constantly are trumpeting about how they've
been hacked, attacked and everything. Listen, get we've been hacked,
We've been attacked. I don't always talk about it, Okay. Now,
I posted Vanessa's article on Facebook last two nights ago,
and before I went to bed, it was flying. I
was got like one hundred and ten shares. It was
going clocking up quite a few views. Great article, full
of what I call eye candy as well, nice charts
and things like that when I woke up in the
morning it was deleted from my personal page. I posted
it and it made me think, who took this off
of Facebook? Was Facebook's communitarian police or was it something else?
And it was to me. Then I thought, well, this
article is gold. It has some powerful information in it.
I'm not exaggerating. Go look at that article. Read it.
If you're not familiar with this material, tell me if
your jaw isn't dropping. Okay, And this is timely as well.
So this is the George Soros soft power industrial complex
where if you've got the money to throw a to
spread around, and if you've got the money and you
have the ground teams, the street teams, and you've got
the operators at the management level, you can do lots
and lots of things, not always nice things around the world,
all in the name of progress and freedom and democracy
and open society. Okay, that's a hell of an open
society when you're hacking in and deleting people's article. And
it proves the point. Okay, and I'll let Jay jump
in here. Sorry, I'm going to go on a rant,
But it proves the point that all these people who
are throwing their billions around to export freedom and democracy.
They don't believe in a free press and much less
a free speech, and that was proven to me this week. Okay,
so it's all a big con hypocrites of the highest order. Okay,
sorry for that rant. But I think I look at
this situation, Jay, and I wonder, you know, there's a
lot of people who are understanding this now, but you
really don't understand it till you sort of get cuffed
on the head or punched in the nose, and then
you really realize that you're not dealing with In other words,
they're not playing good cricket basically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I posted some stuff last night and it
was immediately thronged by numerous comments ten twenty thirty within
a few minutes from flat earth and neo Nazi troll accounts.
So I know this is very real. Go post a
video and say on YouTube and then within a few
minutes you've got five ten twenty thumbs down and it's
not even possible to have heard the discussion. They'll, you know,
suppress your views on your site. They will run these
bots and troll accounts that will you know, post all
ridiculous comments that just immediately flood the page within no time.
So yeah, that's all very real. And you know, you
were actually saying this, you know, several weeks ago that
we were talking and you pointed out that this is
something to look for and expect. You know, we're going
to start seeing more of this, especially on these centralized
media platform social media platforms. What this does Twitter, Facebook,
So this gives the establishment ultimately unfortunately the you know,
the ability to really censor and erase things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so centralized. So this, this is what's happening, and
there's a very huge centralization of content and information. They're
in the process of knocking out independent blogs and they're
doing this by promoting Apple and some of the big players,
promoting ad blocking and then getting you to basically you
and I will have to go and join Apple's news app,
Apple News exactly, and then we have to go. Then
they make the money, and then we have to qualify.
Speaker 2: To be in their rules as to what can be posted. Yeah.
You know, monetization through YouTube videos is of both a
pro and a corn situation because I've had several instances
where Google will just arbitrarily say that the content that
you've uploaded is sensitive so you won't get any monetary
accrument based on the ads because it's sensitive material. And
who knows who decides what's sensitive, right, So if you
talk about the Brussels attack, that's sensitive material.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could have made Listen, I could have made
thousands of dollars on YouTube. And for people who follow
this website, who listen to this show, you'll notice one thing.
I stopped posting videos on YouTube a couple of years ago.
And we've I've produced television shows, I've done lots of
different things, but I didn't want to be I didn't
want to have to be looking over my shoulder with
this kind of Nazi regime of communitarianism all the time,
and so I just stopped making videos because it was
just like it was a minefield. And yeah, I could
have made a few thousand dollars here and there over
that time, but the sort of rich content that I
wanted to produce, and you know, and also bringing in
material from pulling in stuff and doing sort of complex
assembly of ideas and multimedia this this is very difficult
to do with YouTube. You could be playing by the
rules Jay, as you well know, and then someone in
the communitarian world can go and file a complaint, which
they do on Facebook and get rid of you. Yeah,
knock you out. Basically, it's a bogus system. Basically, it's
called communitarian Uh, it's corporate communitarianism basically, and it's a
it's a de facto censorship in my mind. But it's
either that or go and just turn on my webcam
and and do these sort of mindless YouTube videos that
that everybody's everyone's doing or you know, I won't mention
any names, you know, but people who speak to camera
and you know, pass themselves off as philosophers and and
the great minds of our generation. I really don't want
to be in that sort of scrum.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So but getting back, getting back to the core conversation, Jay,
soft power. Now, first, first there was soft power. Now
it's now it's smart power. Okay, So first comes hard
you know, hard power, the hard hand force, then soft power,
then smart power. Smart power is the NGO complex, and
it's the human rights industry and uh this is done
by stealth. Uh, it's international. It's been very effective up
to a point. I'm getting the feeling Jay though, that
this cell by date on this is fast approaching because
people in't even developed the world, the so called Third World.
They're now understanding this a lot fast her and I
think in a way the jig is up, but it's
you know, it's still there's in the West. I think
it's more important on the West to be moved. You know,
these institutions like the National Endowment for Democraty. Most people
internationally will look at that as a total sham, you know,
or the Open Society Instito. But in America, if you
work for these organizations, you festoon and parade around like
you're you know, bureaucratic royalty. Basically, you know, helping to
make the world a better place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I dated a girl who worked for the
Rockefeller Ocean Foundation, their oceanography foundation. We went on a
few dates, so I got to see how those functions,
you know, firsthand from her. And that's You're absolutely right
that the idea is that that I'm here basically saving
the world. It's very much a Messiah complex. And I
know a lot of these people, I think, as you
point out in your piece, are well meaning, well intentioned,
but but that's not you know, it's just it's naive.
It's it's that reminds me of met a girl from
Vanderbilt who's working with Doctors Without Borders. Look at Doctors
without Borders. That was started by one of the heads
of Builderberg, one of the big key players in Builderberg.
And it's very much a cover, right, we see this
quite often. It's a classic espionage cover for missionaries USA
things like that. But it doesn't even have to be
some sort of James Bond cover thing. It's really as
you point out, the influence that these entities, these organizations
try to inculcate in foreign in regions that under under
false auspices, is what I'm trying to say. So, whether
its USAID or these these different organizations open society. So
they're there for quite obviously political reasons, right, it's not
about humanitarian and agendas. And if we want to figure
out why that is, we look at these different Institute
for Strategic Studies, Chatham House Crisis Group, International Crisis Group, CFR,
Brookings Institute, Group of thirty f Foundation for Defensive Democracy.
I mean, there's just infinite numbers of these these They're
always popping up. We look back to where does this
come from? This goes back to the roundtable groups and
the Roundtable Groups were formed to basically be the think
tank for back in that time the British Empire, right
with Cecil Rhads, Lord Milner, and so from the Oxford
Roundtable Groups you get the Council on Formulations as the
Western mirror to that institution, right for the American mirror
to the British institution, the Chatham House and so forth.
And these are the planning committees, right, this is the
Planning st Edgy Committee. For example. A lot of the
CFR are media persons, so people involved in media to
be anywhere at the top of media pretty much requires
some degree of seal of approval and stamp from the
councilor Foreign Relations. And this is how this is how
you had the CIA buying off back in the forties
and fifties four hundred journalists and top editors under Operation Mockingbird. Now,
if they were doing that in the forties and fifties,
does anybody think that's ceased. No, So you're absolutely spot
on when you point out that it's a tie in. Right,
the mass the mainstream media works together with these kinds
of organizations to promote political agendas, namely the agendas of Washington, London,
Israel and so forth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just watched Speaking of media, I mean
Farid Zakari from CNN is a classic case of this.
He's got the Council on Foreign Relations Seal of approval.
He often is featured as a writer there at Foreign
Policy Magazine. And I'm not saying listen, there are actually
some very good geopolitical minds who write for Foreign Policy Magazine.
I can name a few. I'm sure people who follow
it know there's some good ones and some really bad ones.
But so but people like Zacharia and then they and
also a new one in New Claire, j is Vice News. Yes. Now,
I don't know if you're familiar with them. I've I've
had my own personal, you know, brief experiences with that organization.
And then it doesn't take a lot to go find
to go see that Vice News. It's being marketed as
this kind of off road global media for the Miln generation.
They got their seed funding seventy dollars from News Corporation
from Rupert Murdoch. So Rupert Murdoch is a charter owner
of Vice News. So really cool for the millennials, isn't it.
They're all people who say, I don't watch Fox, you know. Oh,
I would never read the Sun or the you know whatever,
the Daily New York Daily Post or whatever. The news
corp rags are the tabloids, the conservative media, and these
are their bank rolling Vice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all you have to do is look at the stories.
The Advice continually churns out, and it's always a pro Western,
pro Washington targeted messages about things, you know, how evil
Putin is. On top of that, I should mention, by
the way, it's all it's a constant blaunch of degeneracy.
I mean, Advice puts out some of the most disgusting,
degenerate stuff.
Speaker 1: And it's also anti Chinese. I've noticed they covered China
in a very bad way with all their roving reports too.
So it's just like, you know, it's it's obvious how
they spin it to the young to the young generation.
So this is basically brainwashing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this whole idea, I forget the term they
use for with this radical lone wolf journalism where you
go in bed with isis give me a break?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Anti. So they're anti Hizbala, they're anti Russia,
anti Chinese, anti Syrian government. So all the things that
align with the US and a NATO foreign policy is
basically expressed through vice news papers.
Speaker 2: It's a kind of trolled the fake counterculture, the sort
of fake journalism, you know. And you're not embedding with
ISIS unless you're part of the establishment. That's pretty obvious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just call up ISIS and call the media
person and al Hayette media whatever. Yeah, we've got a
we're working on a little piece though. We want to
get sort of a to day life in Raka, and
uh we thought, would you mind if we invent one
of our crews with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Anderson Cooper or whoever the CBS ABC
going in interviewing Ben Laden or c i A the
whole Pentagon. Nobody can find in Laden, but the CBS
ABC reporters can go sit down and interview on and.
Speaker 1: They're like, Isis. By the way, we're bringing our own
beer with us, and isis Is like yeah, that's cool,
you know, cold cold beers after the day's filming. Yeah,
for all ISIS of course, so let's go yeah so
uh so so. But but it's also based on this
soft power principle, so so they always harken back to
the basically the same matrix of ideas, which is a
human rights and uh they what else? Democracy? And and
the glorification of color revolutions, even though they're apps proven
to be completely engineered from outside of these countries, and
to to great budgets as well, billions of dollars spent,
including taxpayer money spent to generate some of these color
revolutions in George Soros and so forth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, Well, this is what was discovered in
nineteen fifty two, fifty three, and fifty four with the
Rece Committee. Now, I will grant that the Rice Committee
was stacked in terms of kind of these McCarthy ie
one side of the dialectic persons. But what they discovered
they thought they were investigating communism, and what they found
was that all of the leftist socialist communist movements at
that time, which were actually just another tool of those foundations,
they were all being funded by the Rockefeller, Carnegie and
Ford Foundation. And so this aversive as they call it,
and the Norman Dodd reports, the subversive movements that we're
promoting both internationalism and moral relativism. That was the technique
and strategy, weaponized plan for America at that time right,
that was what was needed in America in the fifties.
But at other times it might be a proxy force
of radical as you're hot, like you're talking about, you know,
with ISIS or previously al Qaeda, and these the tax
refoundations are a main source of this soft power smart
power that you're talking about. And they're a way for
these oligarchs to on the one hand, hide money, right,
you can hide money in a tax refoundation, and it's
also a way to influence masses of populations through social engineering.
And so the Race Committee found all that. They discovered
all that, and then they realized, oh, actually it's not
a bunch of you know, granola hippie tree hugging commies
out on the street. Uh, it's actually these billionaire foundations.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I lavish offices, huge expense accounts, flying business class.
I mean, if you're really in the business of ending
poverty or whatever, you I just don't think you would
be flying on a private jet and your rider would
include h I'm not I'm not picking on anyone like
Bono or any of these other luminaries, but you know,
your rider wouldn't include having a chef on board. You know,
doing frog WI and whatnot.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just kind of well, everybody who pushes
as lives in a palace, so that should tell you. Yeah, okay,
well uh jay, I'm gonna take a We're gonna take
a short station break if you want to stick around.
We're going to do the final lap here at the
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in the United States regarding the presidential election, and so
this brings us to this week's shout poll, which is
is the United States a democracy or an autocracy? That's
the big question this week. Is the United States really
a democracy or is it an autocracy?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: I want to get into a nitpicking argument about whether
it's an autocracy or a oligarchy, or whether it should
be a democracy, or whether it should be a constitutional republic.
It could be all of those things. That really doesn't matter.
What matters is the idea that we've been sold that
we live in a democracy. Is the ideas being absolutely
dismantled right in front of our eyes and for all
you and I laugh in a way at the sort
of your classic liberal left wing people that have pre
trumpmatic stress disorder, who are totally afraid and scared and
obsessed with Donald Trump. That all of you people who
support Bernie Sanders, you should be thanking Donald Trump and
Bernie Sanders. Trump supporters should be thanking Bernie Sanders, because
both of these candidates are exposing the sham, the complete
what I call the chitty chitty bang bang version of democracy.
It's totally rigged, it's totally fixed. It's designed for one purpose.
It's overly complex to keep any outsiders or insurgent, God forbid,
anybody who's actually popular from breaking in to the houses
of power in the United States. So this is our
shout pole. I encourage you to go to twenty first
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you're listening right now at the Sunday Wire. Go ahead
and vote at that shout pole. And we've got some
interesting comments. There's an interesting debate which is already forming
inside the poll, which is great. This is why we
designed it this way, why we like it this way,
because you don't just vote, but you can have a
debate at the same time. And so back to Jay Dyer.
He's our guest in this final half hour Overdrive. Jay,
I'm gonna play you a clip. Okay, I'm gonna play
you a clip of Donald Trump's son who was on
CNN this morning. And basically I don't know if you'll
be able to hear this clip. Jay, you might mute
your microphone and listen online if you've got the browser open,
or I'll just tell you Donald Trump Junior is basically
calling out the whole delegate process, contested convention sham, basically
for what it is being able to buy off delegates.
Listen to this. I mean this is a kind of
an important rant. It's one of the most authentic. You know,
sometimes you can tell if someone's authentic or not. I
don't know what your ideas on this are, J, but
you can tell if someone's talking from their heart, or
if they're just reading off a political script. And I
don't know if you've heard, if you heard his son
talk at all, not know, he's interesting guy. I mean
he might may may or not may not have a
career in politics later. But I'll play this rant right now.
This is Donald Trump Junior this morning on CNN. Get
a load of this. Been in at some point in
your adult life, you've you've been in a bathroom or
with a trans a transvestite or so called transgender person.
I mean, they tend to be in big cities and
it's like whatever, you know, you know, people going to
the bathrooms to do their business and then they leave. Basically,
it's but it's a rare it's a rare occurrence unless
you're hanging out in certain unless you're living in Soho
or something. You know. It's just kind of a pointless
debate in my opinion.
Speaker 2: But well, I think that in those kinds of situations
and in terms of this political bantering back and forth
about it, it's pretty points. But I think that when
you look at, for example, the the Nordic countries, uh,
the oligarchs are explicitly pushing that to now they're they're
talking about giving children the right to choose their gender.
So I don't think on one in one level, on
one level, it is a pointless debate, and then on
another level it is it is for a reason. It
is not being talked about for no reason.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I heard. I sorry to interrupt you, but
I heard one MSNBC commentator. I did watch it for
a little while. I couldn't take much much of it,
but I did watch it, and she was she was
referring to people who who basically, it's just bizarre. Jay.
They're they're calling people like say that like you, me
and ninety nine point nine nine nine nine nine nine
nine rest of the population as cis gender, like almost like, oh,
they're the ones, those cis gender people, they're the ones
who have nominated to use the gender on their birth certificate.
And I'm thinking to myself, no, I'm just a male. Yeah,
well you know, or you're just a female. I mean,
why you what's with the term cis gender? It's beyond
you know, Well.
Speaker 2: There's an easy way to deconstruct this because on the
one hand, these are the people who say that gender
is a social construct, and then they turn around and
believe that you can reassign your gender, that you can
change genders, So gender cannot both be a social construct
and something that you convert to at the same time.
Those are those are contradictory things. To change your gender
presumes that gender is real, but they also say that
gender is a social construct, not real. So it's it's
not sensical.
Speaker 1: So the whole, the whole social enterprise there is a
total fallacy. It is.
Speaker 2: But I think that the point of that clip that
you played that Trump's son made was excellent in the
sense of it shows that the Republican Party, the GOP,
is not real. It's not as some entity that exists
to so called to be a preserve so called traditional
culture quote conservative about all. That's meaningless in the very
fact that they would Now I don't put a lot
of stock into politics anyway. I think it's largely theater.
It's pretty much WWF. But it is illustrative that clip
in showing the fact that the two party system is
a scam because they would rather have, especially the neo
conservative ideology that dominates the GOP for the most part,
They would rather have Hillary because hillary ismenable to that
than the at least the rhetoric of Donald Trump regarding
things like NATO or Putin and borders and so forth.
All of that rhetoric from Trump is contrary to the
false two party systems game plan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ttp T tip globalization. These are all things that
Trump speaks against. So like love them or hate him.
So in this sense, Jay Trump and Bernie Sanders share
a lot of common political ground.
Speaker 2: Actually, well, they are reflections of the population. There were
a reflection of populism. Regardless of how sincere or realistic
they are, and whatever they're promoting, the rhetoric obviously reflects
the majority of the opinion of the American population.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. The Koch brothers just came out today, one
of the Koch brothers, I don't know who's who. There's
two of them, I think, and they just endorsed Hillary Clinton.
Can you believe it, Well, yeah I can't. They were
longtime Democratic donors back in the day, in the eighties
and nineties, I believe, And so yeah, they're very hip
to the two party scam game. They've been a part
of that for many decades. And it's another example what
we were talking about the previous hour of Once you
kind of get to that level you figure out, you
know that it's a scam. And at a certain time,
the Koch brothers promote libertarianism because it's I have intageous
to whatever their business interests might be. And in another
time you want to promote collectivism, socialism, leftism, progressive at
whatever terms, all of which is essentially meaningless because it's
all the same game plan. It's the same game plan,
but it's a different rhetoric that they all speak during
the campaign season and they go and vote for all
the same gobbledygoot oligarchy.
Speaker 2: That's all that it is. And Plato said a long
time ago quote democracy is the mask for oligarchy.
Speaker 1: Wow, there you go, So you I know how you'd
vote in our shout pull, which is up in twenty
first century. While go ahead and vote, let's get some
activity on that debate. I voted autocracy. Basically, Jay, I
said that the US is an autocracy.
Speaker 2: The only solution, you know, the only solution out of
this is a global empire with me as the philosopher king.
Speaker 1: Ah, the benevolent philosopher king. It's a great solution, Jay,
if you can just find the right philosopher king right, Well.
Speaker 2: Me, God Emperor of Dune and if I could just
get some you know, some good guys in a think
tank to sell that ideology across the internet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, there's hope for you, Jay, There's
always hope. There's always there's always a future for great minds. Now,
I want to know what you have to say about
this story that's out. This will be the last story
we cover today this week. This is basically all over
the news. Personally, I think it's a red herring. This
so called redacted twenty eight pages of intelligence reports from
the nine to eleven Commission report and Saudi Arabia losing
its immunity if you will, for lawsuits from the nine
to eleven victims families and somehow insinuating that Saudi Arabia
is behind the tax of nine to eleven. Now, what
do you mean this first, Well, it's.
Speaker 2: Funny because this shows the amnesia of the public and media,
because this is not news. That this was known. People
were talking about this in two thousand and four, Saudi
Arabia involvement, and there were infinite endless articles back at
that time that dealt with it. I remember reading them
back in the day, and this is all nonsense, red
herring distraction. This is a PC conspiracy theory. Nobody cares
about fingering a bunch of Saudis as involved in it,
which is, who knows what's true in that regard? I
mean some of it at the time of nine to eleven,
right after the BBC reported that some of these people
were completely fake. The BBC still has that story up
of the completely manufactured hijacker. Now what does that indicate
to us, not just that, but this whole hubbub of
this twenty eight pages redacted nonsense. Well, again, it's a
PC conspiracy theory. It wasn't the Saudis that told Norrad
to stand down. It wasn't the Saudis that were running
US military drills up until nine to eleven, including Vigilant Guardian.
It wasn't Saudi's that were offering the PENAC document, right,
I mean, this is how ridiculous is this?
Speaker 1: Right? Uh?
Speaker 2: Again, it's it's this is this is a distraction in
the It's a it's a way to corral nine to
eleven focus into non non event, a non thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's to heard. It's to heard the public down
another rabbit hole which is eventually going to be a
dead end. Yeah, none of the.
Speaker 2: Gill coons are going to go to jail over this,
None of the people who authored PENAC, who were the
most obvious candidates and suspects. Right, this is going to
point to some amorphous faction of rat call Saudis or
something like that, which is just nonsense.
Speaker 1: And the so called you know conservatives or usual establishment
Republican suspects will grandstand now appearing to look tough against
Saudi Arabia. And so I think what's happened here, it's
the Saudis have been duped. And I think this goes
back to the earlier part of our conversation Jay, where
you know, the the the sort of Anglo Atlanticist Anglo
American internationalists and will use certain periods and apply different
techniques and tools, and use certain regimes. And in this case,
the Saudi Arabians have been useful in the last just
fifty or sixty years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Saddam or Goadafi.
Speaker 1: And so they set them up basically, and now it's
basically this is leverage for some sort of diplomatic or
commercial blackmail to move to basically power nudging, if you will,
to nudge Saudi Arabia into another position which the West
wants it to do, and they felt they basically fell
for it. They had their man, Prince Bandar Ben Sultan.
He was a member of the Carlisle Group and embedded
with the Bushes quite deeply, and he drew Saudi Arabia
in many ways and their intelligence apparatus into this maze
that was nine to eleven, the planning of it and
the execution of it. And so right now there's sort
of you know, compromised in public opinion because of that.
Speaker 2: And this was all PC conspiracy theory back to Michael
Moore's Fahrenheit nine to eleven, which pointed out all all
of these Carlisle Group Saudi connections, which you know, none
of that still couched in the idea of blowback, right, which, yeah,
which blowback is ridiculous when you look at how all
the all of the drills and so forth that perfectly
match up of the events of nine to eleven. Yeah,
and the whole narrative itself is ridiculous. So you have
the movies that come along later Flight ninety three or
whatever that's supposed to fill in the gaps. And I
think that for the mass public. That's what the Hollywood
functions to do, as Chris has pointed out many times Poxbusters,
is to fill in the gaps of people's interpretation of
the news nuggets that they got.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I saw that movie, and that showed how
the you know, how the hijackers got their box cutters
and took over the plane and all this nonsense. And
then when you you know, you think about Operation Northwoods
that talked about completely stage news, completely fake plane bombs,
faked persons coming on the news and telling fake stories
in that instance in regard to Cuba. But it's the
same sort of model, right, drone planes, faked stuff, pulls flag.
Speaker 1: And then Nicholas Cage. Nicholas Cage even did a nine
to eleven film, didn't he It was like he wasn't.
Speaker 2: A World Trade movie. I was a Yes, it was
a Stone film, but I actually never saw that I got.
I remember going to see Flight ninety three and walking
out of the theater.
Speaker 1: It was so wow, you walked out? I did?
Speaker 2: It was so bad.
Speaker 1: I almost did. In Zero Doc thirty, I almost walked
out in the first minute. And I was with my
girlfriend at the time, so I didn't want her to
you know, waste the ten pounds or whatever we paid
each to get in. But so I stand and I
stayed through the whole film, and I looked at the
propaganda aspect of it. But it was really hard. I mean,
the first how long did you did it take you
to walk out of the theater on flight ninety three?
Speaker 2: Thirty forty minutes?
Speaker 1: I think thirty? Oh you did good, you did really good.
Is that the one where they said let's roll. I
think it was let's roll.
Speaker 2: Yeah, A bunch of shaky planes, sequences and guys's box
cutters taken over the plane, and all of which is
a nonsense, made up, you know, Hollywood stories, and that's
you know, that's where Hollywood comes into all this, as
they function to tell the story that the mainstream media
makes up to begin with, and then Hollywood fills in
the rest of the tall tale. So but yeah, I mean,
it's just I'm not sure what the signals in terms
of Saudi Arabia, in terms of geopolitics. Some people say, well,
this is the establishment signaling that they're going to dump
the Saudi. I don't think that's true. They're not going
to dump the Saudis or anything.
Speaker 1: No, they won't, but they'll they'll apply pressure on them
from different directions in order to get them to do
what they want basically. And they've also Saudi Arabia has
been led into Yemen as well, encouraged by the Pentagon,
by Washington. And this is also going to further compromise
Saudi Arabia's standing because all the news about what they've
done in Yemen, the massacres, is starting to come out
now now that Syria has calmed down a little bit,
so again more more compromised.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of function like in the same way that presidents,
you know, over their four year terms will take all
the heat for the bogus policies that they enact. You know,
they're they're pat season away in a sense of you know,
it's okay for the media to to go after that
when they're really just league gates of the the Atlantis's
establishment anyway, who are never going to receive the heat.
Speaker 1: So one of the legates the gets is a former
Senator Graham up Bob Graham I think his name is,
and so he I think I think he's one of
these key Panac type people. I mean, he does like
McCain and some of these others. Does fashion himself as
an outsider, a maverick, but I think he's an absolute
part of the uh uh lablishment, if you will. This
is him this morning on I think it was Meet
the Press. Here he is, This is Senator Graham. This
is an interesting clip, so you might want to listen
to this. It's extraordinary. Actually, I don't believe your word
that this guy is saying. Basically more of that Jay.
So this Senator Graham a total insider, he's gatekeeping. Chuck
Todd is so called journalist, is totally clueless about the
line of bully that he's being spun on. And so
this guy sits there in one hand, he makes sense.
He starts out by saying, Jay, he says this, the
hijackers couldn't have done this alone. Yeah right, okay, yeah,
duh of course. And then at the same then he
goes and says that Saudi Arabia started al Qaeda. Now
that's a little bit of an oversimplification. And so then
he says that you know that, so basically, no US involvement,
no CIA involvement in al kaya To, no handling, no
Israeli intelligence involvement in the handling of some of these hijackers,
as is easily proven just look at some of the
work by Peterdale, Scott and others. It's obvious. Okay, So
this guy is here to divert and to create a
kind of a goose wild goose chase for the for
the press who basically don't know there, you know what
from their elbow exactly on any issue, much less the
maze that is nine to eleven basically.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, how ridiculous is it to finger these
You can look at these nations as almost kind of
front So I guess you could say in terms of
the Western power establishment. I mean, I mean, what is
Washington is kind of just another front for the you know,
the the banking families that run this whole, this whole game.
And so in the same way, you know what this does.
It always allows you to, oh, point the finger over there,
Oh Saudi's there, did it. Oh this, you know, Saddam
over there, he did it. Oh this. So it's a
never ending, like you said, a maze. It's a labyrinth
that you'll never ever get to the bottom of. And
that's because the most obvious culprits are the establishment itself,
and it's and it really is that simple. You know.
You just look at the panat documents, You look at
all the people who were talking about the the the
drills and the so forth that led up to nine
to eleven Richard Clark. You know, these big security so
called experts, they're all neo conservatives, they're all they're all
part of the same gang, the same gaggle.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And yeah, they're never ever going to be fingered and
put into any kind of trial or jail or whatever.
You know, that's who stacked the nine to eleven report.
It was all the people involved in in the in
the cover up, uh, you know, all the all these people,
uh work for the oligarchs. And so it's yeah, we've
seen this so many times where the blame is put
upon some group that may have had some minor involvement.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like the same in the drug war,
where it's oh, we're going to bust this cartel over here,
but you know, the CIA running the drugs is never mentioned,
or the CIA helping those cartels, it's never mentioned. Right,
But you can finger the middle man, the lower man,
you know. So if there was any.
Speaker 1: If there was any reality to any of these charges.
I mean, if Saudi Arabia did nine to eleven, I'm
sure it wouldn't have taken fifteen years to figure that out.
But if there was any reality, you know, they've they've
slapped full sanctions on Syria, on the government, you know,
media organizations in Syria, state TV stations, they can't import
any cameras, any electrical, any broadcast equipment. There's a full
lockdown on that country. What did Syria do to the
United States? Nothing? What did Syria do to anybody? Pretty much? Nothing? Okay?
So and then full sanctions Russia, full sanctions for what
was meant to be MH seventeen, the downing of MH
seventeen European sanctions. So if Saudi, if they had this
evidence that Saudi Arabia did nine to eleven, there would
be massive sanctions drop down on that country. I mean,
they come and go as they please throughout the United States.
That's a joke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not going to happen because of the situation
that was organized with Opek via Builderberg. So the seventies
oil crisis situation, m hmm, that was organized by Builderberg
and I think it was William F. Ingdahl details that
in his book pretty well. And so what that did
was allow the Saudis to be, of course the chief
oil that's who got the oil contract, so to speak, right,
and so they're the cheap oil producer, suppliers and so forth.
And that's never going to stop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, speaking of speaking of coughing, speaking of coughing.
If if anyone believes that nine to eleven was Saudi blowback,
I think you've been doing too many back blowback hits
on on the bong. Basically, it's just not feasible.
Speaker 2: I'm not coughing from a bong, by the way.
Speaker 1: I know you're not. I know you're not. I know,
but it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does require the establishment's story is the most
fantastical conspiracy there.
Speaker 1: It's wild. Yeah, it's absolutely wild.
Speaker 2: So I don't I don't want to get into physics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a nine to eleven has become the
sort of hermetic work of the alternative media, or the
sacred hermetic work, you know, like the jfk assassination. The
reason I don't get into it, Jay, into detail, is
because there's a lot of people who I would call
specialists who have you know, dedicated most of their life
to those stories and niches. So I just look at
their research and look at their findings. I don't feel
compelled to do a lot of that myself because I'm
doing a whole broad range of other topics and areas
so well.
Speaker 2: And I'll have to do is focus on the big,
the big picture and the big the big pieces of evidence,
you know, Norad standing down the drills, the drills event
to the event, past drills like Operation Northwoods that are
the same, very much like the MG seventeen scenario, very
much like that.
Speaker 1: That's very north Woods actually MH seventeen.
Speaker 2: In Panac And who stood to gain? You know that?
What else do you need, really.
Speaker 1: Key bono? Who benefits? Yeah, a little bit of Latin.
So that is going to be it for this week's
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You might be thinking from the title, oh, this is
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It's something completely different.
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