Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Easy Boston's
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Speaker 2: Welcome back everybody. Tomorrow night, we will be at this
Speaker 2: hour discussing Question two on the Massachusetts ballot. But that's
Speaker 2: for tomorrow night, October eighth, at ten o'clock. So if
Speaker 2: you have a position, I'm that when I listen to
Speaker 2: us tomorrow night. But tonight, I want to focus on
Speaker 2: a very sad and horrific anniversary. Today is the first
Speaker 2: anniversary of what happened in Israel when Jumas murdered in
Speaker 2: cold blood over twelve hundred innocent men, women and children
Speaker 2: that terrible Saturday morning a year ago, on October seventh,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. With us is a Bostonian, a lawyer
Speaker 2: from Boston who have gotten to know since that happened
Speaker 2: a year ago. Jason Greenberg. Jason, you have an incredible story.
Speaker 2: You were in Israel last October seventh when all of
Speaker 2: this occurred. Correct, Yes, welcome, Welcome back to Nightside. By
Speaker 2: the way, let me first say that, so you're in
Speaker 2: Israel and you got an early call. You were there
Speaker 2: with your dad visiting relatives, and five of your extended
Speaker 2: family were either killed or taken hostage by himas who
Speaker 2: were the family members that died. I just want to
Speaker 2: hear their names and I want to hear what happened
Speaker 2: to everyone.
Speaker 3: Sure, so, Carmela and Noya were a grandmother and granddaughter.
Speaker 3: Carmela had just turned eighty and Noya was twelve years old,
Speaker 3: and they were killed that day. Noya was spending Shabas
Speaker 3: with her grandma, as she often did. They lived on
Speaker 3: Kibbutz Nero, which was essentially wiped off the face of
Speaker 3: the earth. And then Opa Calderam and his two children,
Speaker 3: Sahar and Eras, Sahara being a sixteen year old girl
Speaker 3: and Areas As now thirteen year old boy, they were
Speaker 3: taking hostage. The video of Eras being taken away gunpoint
Speaker 3: on a back of a moped was made, you know,
Speaker 3: painfully available within a few hours. Yeah, yeah, so you know,
Speaker 3: there was no question as to who it was and
Speaker 3: what happened. It was made apparently really quick, and subsequently,
Speaker 3: Sahar and Eras were released on November twenty seventh last
Speaker 3: year in the third round of ceasefire hostage exchanges, thank god,
Speaker 3: and they are living with their mother now in Israel
Speaker 3: and trying to move forward. With our lives, but their
Speaker 3: father over is still being held hostage in a tunnel somewhere.
Speaker 3: The last time or the last confirmation of life that
Speaker 3: we had was over two months ago now, or around
Speaker 3: two months ago when hostages were rescued by the IDF.
Speaker 3: It was they had said that they confirmed that Opha
Speaker 3: was alive about a month before that. They didn't have
Speaker 3: a really great gauge on time. So you know, it's
Speaker 3: been about two and a half months since anybody's seen him,
Speaker 3: but obviously we all believe that, you know, he's still alive,
Speaker 3: and his kids definitely want their dat home.
Speaker 2: How how old is your is your cousin?
Speaker 3: He's fifty three, fifty three.
Speaker 2: Years of age. And what did he do in Israel?
Speaker 2: What type of work did he do?
Speaker 3: He was a master chunter and he when it wasn't working,
Speaker 3: he was part of an adventure cycling team that traveled
Speaker 3: the world. The Israeli National Cycling Team actually posted something
Speaker 3: in memorial or in the anniversary of the killings and
Speaker 3: featured him on the on there on them. I think
Speaker 3: it was Facebook against all that posts.
Speaker 2: This is this has been a nightmare for you which
Speaker 2: hasn't ended. And of course for others, but mindus then,
Speaker 2: he is you're going to return to Israel this week.
Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah, I'm going to to be with my family
Speaker 3: and see friends, and also to see the places where
Speaker 3: the attack happened and where some of my family members
Speaker 3: were killed along with so many others.
Speaker 2: Now, a year ago, you were with your dad and
Speaker 2: you were able to get your dad back home, which
Speaker 2: is you know, great by going back, particularly at this
Speaker 2: point when the the wars are raging. I mean, Israel
Speaker 2: is dealing with his Bollah, They're dealing with the masque,
Speaker 2: they're dealing with the hoodies, they're they're dealing in Lebanon,
Speaker 2: and they're undergoing two sets of strikes and it's even
Speaker 2: some strikes today from Iran. I mean, I don't want
Speaker 2: to lionize you here, but that takes a lot of
Speaker 2: guts to go back into that set of circumstances.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think it takes a lot of guts.
Speaker 3: I think it's just if I'm ardently in support of
Speaker 3: everything that's going on there. I want to show my
Speaker 3: family and they want to see me, will show them
Speaker 3: that I support them. They I want to be supported
Speaker 3: by them, and it's as simple as that.
Speaker 2: A year ago when this happened, did you ever think
Speaker 2: that a year later, you know, two of your family
Speaker 2: members would be dead, one would still be in captivity,
Speaker 2: and two would have been released. I mean, this has
Speaker 2: to have been an absolute nightmare for everyone that knew
Speaker 2: these fine people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I definitely hoped a year ago when
Speaker 3: we spoke that I wouldn't have to speak to you
Speaker 3: again about this, especially not a full year later. But
Speaker 3: you know, it is where we are, and you know,
Speaker 3: I knew in mid run October eighteenth last year was
Speaker 3: when we got definitive word about Carmela and Moya, and
Speaker 3: then you know, obviously between then and the end of
Speaker 3: November was pretty Trying to have the kids come home
Speaker 3: was amazing. It's but you know, it's not just over.
Speaker 3: It's you know, and you talk about twelve hundred people
Speaker 3: being being murdered and slaughtered e at number is more
Speaker 3: like thirteen fifty with all of the hostages that have
Speaker 3: been executed, starved, cultured, killed in captivity. So you know,
Speaker 3: and it's not to equivocate numbers any side. The reality
Speaker 3: is that you know, those people were attacked in their
Speaker 3: beds on the morning of the Sabbath, and everybody else
Speaker 3: has had to feel the reverberations, and you know, kind
Speaker 3: of living the same day over and over. In terms
Speaker 3: of the uncertainty.
Speaker 2: My guest is Jason Greenberg. We get back when I
Speaker 2: talk with Jason about the demonstrations that have been occurring
Speaker 2: not only in Israel but here. I looked at that
Speaker 2: demonstration in New York today and I was sick to
Speaker 2: my stomach. You know, tens of thousands, It looked to
Speaker 2: me like tens of thousands of people marching denouncing Israel.
Speaker 2: There was, as I understand, a couple of people who
Speaker 2: were brave enough to show up with Israeli flags. Those
Speaker 2: flags were taken from them by the so called Peach
Speaker 2: Peace marchers. I hope you have some idea about what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. Yesterday in Boston. I believe that there
Speaker 2: were blockages drive I mean, yeah, em yeah, right, which
Speaker 2: I think was part of it. I am appalled that
Speaker 2: any Americans would be joining what I consider to be
Speaker 2: a pro Hamas demonstration, because the difference between pro Palestinian
Speaker 2: at this point in pro Hamas, in my mind, is
Speaker 2: totally blurred. Maybe you can describe and explain to me
Speaker 2: the distinction, but I don't see it. I really don't.
Speaker 2: We'll we'll take a moment. My guess is Jason Greenberg.
Speaker 2: He is a family member who had five close relatives
Speaker 2: directly impacted by the horror of September seventh. The morning
Speaker 2: of September seventh, twenty twenty three, we'll be back on
Speaker 2: Night's Side, more conversation with Jason. And I'd like to
Speaker 2: hear from some of you. Has your view changed, because
Speaker 2: I think over time sometimes people become more conciliatory. Uh
Speaker 2: And and I don't know that that's the proper way
Speaker 2: to deal with terrorists. We'll be back on Nightside. You
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Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
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Speaker 2: My guest is Jason Greenberg. He's heading to Israel on Thursday.
Speaker 2: He's a great lives in Great Boston. He's an attorney
Speaker 2: here in Massachusetts. He was in Israel last October seventh.
Speaker 2: He was with his dad. They he got his dad
Speaker 2: home here safely, but five of his relatives who they
Speaker 2: had visited, you had had visited with those people, if
Speaker 2: I recall correctly, just that within a few hours before
Speaker 2: of the before the attack. Am I correct on that, Jason, I.
Speaker 3: Was supposed to see them on the Sunday the next day.
Speaker 3: I got it, Okay, I got Yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Never you never got there, Okay. Obviously, So as you
Speaker 2: watch those demonstrations in New York today, which you know,
Speaker 2: in the most charitable characterization, we're considered pro Palestinian demonstrations,
Speaker 2: and you watch what's went on in Stoo Drive yesterday,
Speaker 2: what is what do you think as someone who has
Speaker 2: been touched and impacted by this on a very direct basis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so with the protest, the protests in
Speaker 3: New York and Manhattan today and here in Boston yesterday,
Speaker 3: and you know, around the country, it's manifestation of the
Speaker 3: Week of Rage that has been kind of storing cauldron
Speaker 3: for weeks now with groups if you want to call
Speaker 3: them that, like the s JP, the Students for Justice
Speaker 3: for Palestine and others, you know, and it's I don't
Speaker 3: I don't have an explanation for how where these ccs
Speaker 3: make sense that these that these groups are espousing, except
Speaker 3: in a world where they're just rooted in blatant anti Semitism.
Speaker 3: You know, from the very first days after the attack itself,
Speaker 3: you have a letter from Harvard, and then you have
Speaker 3: the ensuing, the growing, the ensuing anti Semitic movements on
Speaker 3: campuses around the country, you know, all blaming Israel within
Speaker 3: literally hours of over a thousand people getting killed in
Speaker 3: the worst possible way. I mean, I've seen the pictures
Speaker 3: of the homes where my family members were ripped from,
Speaker 3: and the blood on the sheets and on the walls,
Speaker 3: and the hair and the you know, the bloody clothes,
Speaker 3: some of which were left behind so that they could
Speaker 3: blend into bushes. You know, those things are real. And
Speaker 3: it's only in a world, I think, where these movements
Speaker 3: have gained so much traction that they're you know, they're
Speaker 3: merely magnets for for what's already there, and that's any Semitism.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: We'd love to say that so much has changed since
Speaker 3: the nineteen thirties and forties, but I don't really think
Speaker 3: it has in many respects. And that's the that's the
Speaker 3: playing field that Israel gets to play the game on.
Speaker 3: And it's uphill no matter how, no matter which direction
Speaker 3: you're going, and that is it makes it even more challenging.
Speaker 3: But you know, you look at what Israel has been
Speaker 3: able to accomplish as a military as a military state,
Speaker 3: or as you know, within its military campaign over the
Speaker 3: last year. It's getting bombed all the time. As Bolla
Speaker 3: started with rockets on October eighth, Hamas hasn't stopped. They
Speaker 3: marked the anniversary today as well as Iran by raining
Speaker 3: down rockets again. My family members were in bomb shelters
Speaker 3: again today. You know, I have an app on my
Speaker 3: phone that UH tells every time there's a siren in
Speaker 3: various cities throughout Israel where my family members are. And
Speaker 3: it was blowing up all day to day, no unintended
Speaker 3: And that's that's the reality that israelis live in. And
Speaker 3: it's it's it's seems to be really somehow, maybe it's
Speaker 3: the ocean. It just gets lost in translation over here.
Speaker 3: Somehow Israel is still the demon the demonizing force in
Speaker 3: all of this, uh, and it it makes it harder
Speaker 3: to understand or harder to accept, you know, harder to
Speaker 3: accept as somebody who has unfortunately had to be swept
Speaker 3: up in this because their family members were made victims
Speaker 3: of the moments. So, uh, it's unfortunate, but I don't
Speaker 3: have another explanation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jason, I'm looking at a press release today from
Speaker 2: a group that I have known about a long time.
Speaker 2: It's called the Council and American Islamic Relations, and it
Speaker 2: sounds very benign. But their press release is headlined one
Speaker 2: year after October seventh, CARE, the Council and American Islamic
Speaker 2: Relations says long past time for Biden to force a
Speaker 2: ceasefire deal that ends Gaza genocide, frees all captives, and
Speaker 2: lays groundwork to end occupation. Let me interpret that, not
Speaker 2: for you, but for my audience. One year after October seventh,
Speaker 2: CARE says it's long past time for Biden to force
Speaker 2: a ceasefire deal. I don't know how Biden can force
Speaker 2: the State of Israel to do something they don't want
Speaker 2: to do that ends Gaza genocide. That's not Gaza genocide,
Speaker 2: that is an effort by Israel to wipe out thousands
Speaker 2: of terrorists, freese all captives. I don't know what they
Speaker 2: describe by that, but the only captives that I'm aware
Speaker 2: of are the captives that are being held by Hamas
Speaker 2: right now. And lay's groundwork to end ocum patient. What
Speaker 2: they're talking about there, Jason, is the Jewish occupation of
Speaker 2: the portion of the world that is that is called
Speaker 2: Israel and is referred to in these demonstrations as from
Speaker 2: the river to the sea. That must infuriate It infuriates me.
Speaker 2: I don't happen to be Israeli or Jewish, but it
Speaker 2: infuriates me that any American can look at that situation
Speaker 2: and write a news release with it, with a headline
Speaker 2: that is so disingenuous as that.
Speaker 3: I don't know how much of the last response I gave,
Speaker 3: but I mean, I I'm, you know, feel a pretty
Speaker 3: loyal or very loyal audience. So I'm going to kind
Speaker 3: of reiterate or at least reference pretty much everything that
Speaker 3: your guest Jeff Robins had said with respect to you know,
Speaker 3: how these how these groups are comporting themselves and what
Speaker 3: they're putting out there. You know, it's just as and
Speaker 3: and please stop me if if you did hear this part,
Speaker 3: but you know since the.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't do that, so I want to hear
Speaker 2: it go right in.
Speaker 3: I mean, here we are a year later, and what
Speaker 3: happened a few days after the attack on October seventh.
Speaker 3: You have groups like the Conglomerate at Harvard and then
Speaker 3: the different universities all claiming that Israel is at fault,
Speaker 3: Israel is the one to blame, and groups here like
Speaker 3: the Students for Justice for Palestine and other voices like that.
Speaker 3: You know, from behind the rally in New York today
Speaker 3: and Boston yesterday and other cities is very just thinly
Speaker 3: veiled anti semitism, which you know, we're living in a
Speaker 3: world where we'd like to think we've moved fast and
Speaker 3: evolved from the nineteen thirties and forties, when really we haven't.
Speaker 3: That's that's what it signals to me, is that it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter which way is where looks, it's always being
Speaker 3: looked back at as with eyes of enemies.
Speaker 2: I was characterizing the headline of this press release, and
Speaker 2: I finished with my characterization by saying that they want
Speaker 2: somehow President Biden to force a cease fire. I don't
Speaker 2: think it's his role to force a cease fire on
Speaker 2: a country that is under ballistic missile attack. Free ends
Speaker 2: Gaza genocide. It's a language. It's not a genocide in Gaza.
Speaker 2: It's an effort by as I said before of the
Speaker 2: military to gwin and find and eliminate terrorists who attacked
Speaker 2: innocent civilians last October seventh, free all captives. I have
Speaker 2: no idea what they mean by that. They certainly could
Speaker 2: have been more specific and lay's groundwork to end occupation.
Speaker 2: For me, that is language which essentially says destroy Israel,
Speaker 2: get Israel out of there because they are the occupying force,
Speaker 2: and return in the land, which I think is improper
Speaker 2: obviously to the Palestinians. Can do you read that any
Speaker 2: other way?
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't, but you know it's it. It
Speaker 3: falls on deaf ears and a lot of respects. I mean,
Speaker 3: any anybody who's anybody knows the history, you know, and
Speaker 3: I'm not talking to thousands of years, I'm talking the
Speaker 3: last hundred years, even the last eighty years, knows that
Speaker 3: there's never been one group that has led the Palestinians
Speaker 3: that has even come close to accepting any deal which
Speaker 3: would create a two party system or I'm sorry, a
Speaker 3: two state solution, or give Palestinian statehood's sovereignty. You know,
Speaker 3: I can think of at least five examples. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to go into all, but starting you know, there's
Speaker 3: the un Partition Plan on something before that, all the
Speaker 3: way through the Deal of the Century just a few
Speaker 3: years ago, there were ways for Palestine, you know, to
Speaker 3: be become a state, and they've rejected it every time.
Speaker 3: The one reason is they will not share Jerusalem with
Speaker 3: the Jews. And you look at you look at Kazbolah.
Speaker 3: You know, the party of God, their God damned Jews
Speaker 3: for eternity, and the second coming of the Islamic Messiah
Speaker 3: will be invoked when Jews are a race from the earth.
Speaker 3: That's their founding principle. And when you talk about a ceasefire,
Speaker 3: you know, every version of a ceasefire has been on
Speaker 3: the table, put on the table. Israel has acquiesced to
Speaker 3: things that it probably shouldn't is even countenance, and it's
Speaker 3: been rejected outright in line with history by Hamas. Every
Speaker 3: group that has had the chance to reach some way
Speaker 3: to move forward has rejected it. So what would be
Speaker 3: the point of Biden trying to force anything and down
Speaker 3: anyone's throats. And who will we to tell Israel how
Speaker 3: it protects its own livelihood, trying to handcuff the country
Speaker 3: when it's in the fight for his wife. I mean
Speaker 3: it's getting bombed all the time. It has everybody which
Speaker 3: is trying to attack it from all sides, in all angles.
Speaker 3: And what should we do? They should fight with their
Speaker 3: hands behind their backs. That's what That's what I read
Speaker 3: that as. And moreover, it's let's make sure that Israel
Speaker 3: cannot win.
Speaker 2: Let's go to the phones here and see what people
Speaker 2: have to say. Jason Justin joins us from Boston. Justin,
Speaker 2: appreciate you calling in. You're my guest, Jason Greenberg, who
Speaker 2: heads back to Israel UH to resume a visit that
Speaker 2: was cut short a year ago. If Justin's not there, Rob,
Speaker 2: we'll pick it up and we'll go to Hi's.
Speaker 4: Russ in New York again.
Speaker 2: Go right ahead, Russ.
Speaker 4: Sorry, oh oh Dan, okay, I'm sorry. The question I
Speaker 4: have for your guests, and it's a respectful way, is
Speaker 4: that has Israel unleashed three hundred and sixty five days
Speaker 4: of rage? And the one question I saw in the
Speaker 4: rallies today in New York sat mark Jews who are
Speaker 4: already sect they're Asitic black hat Jews. So, in other words,
Speaker 4: are these Asitic Jews are really anti Zionists? Are they
Speaker 4: anti Semitic That's why I'd like to know if Jason
Speaker 4: has an answer for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did see some you know, look to me
Speaker 2: like Orthodox either Jewish people or Orthodox rabbis, and that
Speaker 2: one was being used. There was a Palestinian woman that
Speaker 2: was talking to someone and he was being used, you know,
Speaker 2: as a prop almost he never opened his mouth, but
Speaker 2: she put her arms around. And we have a lot
Speaker 2: of Jewish support. I couldn't tell if the guy was
Speaker 2: dressed up as asthenic Jew or he was, because he
Speaker 2: never spoke.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Jason, I'm sory.
Speaker 2: No, go ahead, Jason.
Speaker 3: Then I question the same thing you do in terms
Speaker 3: of are these actual haupidic Jews. I don't know for sure.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're you know, positioned, or they're
Speaker 3: propaganda or what they may be, or if they're just
Speaker 3: expatriots or defectors. I really can't answer the questions, but
Speaker 3: I can assure you that they are not representative of
Speaker 3: a Zionism or of anybody that is supporting Israel. And
Speaker 3: to answer your question a sort of about rage being
Speaker 3: unleashed over the past three hundred and sixty five days,
Speaker 3: I think dan It has said it numerous times and
Speaker 3: continues to say it, and I am in full agreements
Speaker 3: that I don't. I wouldn't characterize it as rage. I
Speaker 3: would characterize it as going after a terrorist group which
Speaker 3: seeks the annihilation of Israel, one which not only as
Speaker 3: captives that include my family, but nearly two million Palestinians.
Speaker 3: They are also captives because they are being used. And
Speaker 3: you know, I don't mean to sound trite because it
Speaker 3: does get said over and again, but it doesn't make
Speaker 3: it any less true that they are bomb jackets for
Speaker 3: come us. That they are innocent people who are being
Speaker 3: slaughtered on a daily basis because Kamasi uses them as
Speaker 3: human shields. That hasn't changed. So it is unfortunate. It's tragic.
Speaker 3: Deaths on both sides are tragic. I'm not saying that
Speaker 3: you can morally equivocate one to the other. What I
Speaker 3: am saying is that Israel has not been acting out
Speaker 3: of rage. It's been acting to preserve its own existence.
Speaker 4: Well, it seems to me that there's a lot of
Speaker 4: devastation for preserving your existence. There are one hundred thousand
Speaker 4: dead bodies, and believe me, those are real Jews in
Speaker 4: those black hats. It's heresy to say they're not. They
Speaker 4: don't believe in Israel because the Old Testament says that
Speaker 4: Israel can only be established by God, not by the
Speaker 4: United Nations. And they are not anti Semitic, they are
Speaker 4: good Jews. And another thing this is Dan Usk.
Speaker 2: Could I ask you a question, Dan?
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's my question. As of October eighth, a year ago,
Speaker 2: if you had been the prime and I don't know
Speaker 2: if you're Jewish or not, it doesn't matter, but if
Speaker 2: you had been the Prime Minister of Israel, what would
Speaker 2: have you done?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: I would have contained the problem and then I would
Speaker 4: have put the people who were responsible on trial. That's
Speaker 4: what I would I wouldn't have unleashed a holocaust on
Speaker 4: other people.
Speaker 5: And then you, so you would have you.
Speaker 2: Would have you would have basically saw it as a
Speaker 2: police action.
Speaker 4: Meaning, in other words, exactly exact crimes.
Speaker 2: So, so let me finish. I just want to make
Speaker 2: sure I'm truly understand your position. Okay, So, you would
Speaker 2: have gotten Israeli police andrew soldiers as quickly as possible
Speaker 2: to the Kobutz's which are under attack. You would have
Speaker 2: tried to save as many innocent Israelis from you know,
Speaker 2: from from what was going on, and if you were
Speaker 2: able to capture some of the individuals who you thought
Speaker 2: had perpetrated these crimes, you would have arrested them. Obviously
Speaker 2: it is they would have had a right to trial.
Speaker 2: I assume. I don't know how many you might have
Speaker 2: been able to arrest, but let's say that you were
Speaker 2: able to arrest a couple one hundred for the fun
Speaker 2: of it, Okay, you then would hold them in captivity.
Speaker 2: Should should have the police gone in in military style
Speaker 2: or should have they just gone in and attempted to
Speaker 2: apprehend the perpetrators.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't use helicopter, gunships and heavy tank assault to
Speaker 4: try and stop it. And there were no Hamas captured.
Speaker 4: Isn't that indicadicative that it was really a slaughter on
Speaker 4: October seventh? And most of those people killed were killed
Speaker 4: by the Israeli defense forts. If you're being honest and Jason,
Speaker 4: the forty dead babies in the multiple rapes, is that real?
Speaker 4: Is that real? Or is it psyops? Be honest.
Speaker 2: I've seen the video, Russ. I've seen the videos. Okay,
Speaker 2: what unless unless that was totally created? So Russ, if
Speaker 2: you're going to go off and try to. If you're
Speaker 2: going to try to deny what happened on October seventh,
Speaker 2: I'm going to put you in the category of the
Speaker 2: Holocaust deniers at this point because there are people who
Speaker 2: truly will try to convince me, Oh, the Holocaust didn't happen.
Speaker 2: And if you're trying to convince me a doob a
Speaker 2: seventh didn't happen in twelve hundred, you know, innocent Israeli men, women, grandparents,
Speaker 2: and babies were killed. I think I got to move on,
Speaker 2: but I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: If you don't mind, Dan, I would like, yeah, go ahead, Jason.
Speaker 3: It's clear that I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be
Speaker 3: able to change your mind, and I don't know that
Speaker 3: anything is and I'm really sorry that you feel that way.
Speaker 3: I will let you know that I'm not coming on
Speaker 3: and making anything up. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Do me a favorite Russ give him a chance to
Speaker 2: make you. I've given you much more time than you deserve.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Jason, take Rust's microphone down, please, Rob.
Speaker 3: Sure, and it's okay. I mean, I have no reason
Speaker 3: to make anything up, and I you know I hear you,
Speaker 3: but you know I think to question forty forty baby,
Speaker 3: or however you characterize it, and then to say is
Speaker 3: that real? That it's It's a really great example of
Speaker 3: the type of challenges that I think Israel faces and
Speaker 3: Jews of this country face as well. Is where you're
Speaker 3: denying the you know, the existence the existence of something
Speaker 3: that clearly happened. Then that that's that's something that I
Speaker 3: think that you have to probably do your own research on,
Speaker 3: but then cast judgment on how Israel has responded. And
Speaker 3: you know Dan's example of investigating a crime, you know,
Speaker 3: it's kind of apropos because what are you gonna do.
Speaker 3: You're gonna go perform some forensic tests to a crime
Speaker 3: scene and then go try to capture the people who
Speaker 3: did it. You know, the way that we would do
Speaker 3: that in this country is we would capture the low
Speaker 3: level guys, pressure them, and flip them to get the
Speaker 3: higher level guys. Where those higher level guys are embedding
Speaker 3: themselves in schools and hospitals and civilian structures. Then it
Speaker 3: kind of makes war dirty. But I've never heard of
Speaker 3: a clean war. Israel can a war since October seventh,
Speaker 3: and not one that it started, and it happens to
Speaker 3: have superior technological, militaristic and tactical capabilities that Hamas has. Bulah,
Speaker 3: which are groups that are solely founded to annihilate Israel
Speaker 3: don't possess. So you know, when you pick a fight
Speaker 3: like Hamas did, it picked a fight with the wrong guy,
Speaker 3: and Israel is bringing that to bear and it's going
Speaker 3: after Kamas. You know, you've talked about forty thousand people
Speaker 3: that have been killed in Gaza, who can differentiate between
Speaker 3: civilians and fighters, and it's really there's no credible information
Speaker 3: on that side. The one that had been transparent all
Speaker 3: the way actually has been Israel, whether you'd like to
Speaker 3: admit it or not. You know, the most countries or
Speaker 3: militaries have done in the past is dropped propaganda leaflets
Speaker 3: during a war. Here you get leafless drops saying please
Speaker 3: evacuate and giving them giving civilians time to get out
Speaker 3: of harm's way so that Israel can go after the
Speaker 3: people that perpetrated this. I don't know any other time
Speaker 3: in history where you can say a military did that
Speaker 3: where they gave non combatants the opportunity to get out,
Speaker 3: and you think you're talking about going after them as well,
Speaker 3: and dan it posts the crime scenario. But after September eleventh,
Speaker 3: how would you know? Did the US pursue a law
Speaker 3: and order type prosecution of the criminals that two planes
Speaker 3: into the World Trade Center? No, what did we do?
Speaker 3: Do we go take them and do we put them
Speaker 3: on trial? A couple of them? But what did we do?
Speaker 3: We went and took them out, and we and we
Speaker 3: went through anybody we had to to get them. That's
Speaker 3: what Israel's doing. It's just let me just jump.
Speaker 2: In from I just want to bring rust back for
Speaker 2: one second. Russ, if you're still there, I had just
Speaker 2: a couple of questions for you. I know that you
Speaker 2: think that this was a psyops operation on October seven.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to argue with that. That's your opinion.
Speaker 2: I am interested in the the rockets that Hesbelah Israel
Speaker 2: claims Hesbela has fired in them and the intervalistic missiles,
Speaker 2: the ballistic missiles that were fired in the other night
Speaker 2: ONNRED Any do you believe that or was that psyops
Speaker 2: as well? I'm just curious, Well.
Speaker 4: What psyops is is using facts and distorting them for
Speaker 4: your O.
Speaker 2: No, I understand that.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to.
Speaker 2: Understand if you think that those missiles were real, or
Speaker 2: if you think the the tens of thousands of Hesbela
Speaker 2: missiles that have been fired in in civilian populations were real,
Speaker 2: oh well, they's something that Israel did to somehow psychologically
Speaker 2: a psychological operation to garner sympathy for Israel. I think,
Speaker 2: I think your answer will be as absord to this
Speaker 2: as anything else. And I'm not told by my.
Speaker 4: Answer, Dan, I'll give you an answer if you want.
Speaker 2: Me in thirty seconds, because I got to answer.
Speaker 4: Israel seems to be able to target the leaders of
Speaker 4: promas at will all over in Lebanon, everywhere, but they
Speaker 4: apparently need to kill tens of thousands of people in
Speaker 4: the way. And what did we do up in nine eleven,
Speaker 4: twenty years and a trillion dollars a million debt and
Speaker 4: Lackeys and Biddell wants to do that, then they're gonna
Speaker 4: bear the consequences.
Speaker 2: Well, I think I think Israel blew up a lot
Speaker 2: of people. They were very selective in the in the
Speaker 2: in the attack on the leadership of hesbo La, and
Speaker 2: they were very specific on the pagers and the cell
Speaker 2: phones that blew up in the pockets of hesbe Lah fighters.
Speaker 2: We're gonna take a break, Jason. They'll be right back
Speaker 2: here at night Side. I would love to know what
Speaker 2: who you know, what what this guy Ross Russ was
Speaker 2: really all about. You know, it's just to me, it's
Speaker 2: it's incomprehensible, Jason. I'll be right back. Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 2: we'll wrap it up on the other side, and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna keep talking about this in the next hour. I should.
Speaker 2: I think Russ. There's a lot of people out there.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of Russes in this world right now,
Speaker 2: and they're confused. We'll be back Nightside after this.
Speaker 1: Now, back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Back to cause for my guess, Jason Greenberg, who's heading
Speaker 2: back to Israel tomorrow on Thursday. Tristan, Yeah, Boston, Tristan.
Speaker 2: I apologize. It said Justin from Boston. So I was
Speaker 2: calling for Justin and I thought you weren't there. But
Speaker 2: obviously when your name is Tristan and I'm saying Justin,
Speaker 2: you go right ahead. You're next on Nightside.
Speaker 5: No worries. That's what my mom wanted to name me,
Speaker 5: but my cousin beat me to it okay. I want
Speaker 5: to comment on something you said earlier about the distinction
Speaker 5: between pro Palestinian and Prohamas. Yeah, I believe being pro
Speaker 5: Palestinian is being anti the genocide that Israel is carrying
Speaker 5: out right now, the genocide.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, again, Why is Israel carrying out that genocide?
Speaker 2: They just started genocide.
Speaker 5: They're admitting genocide. You're admitting it's a genocide.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not. I'm using your word.
Speaker 5: Oh uh. They're carrying out the genocide because they have
Speaker 5: long ambitions to control the land and to rid the
Speaker 5: Palestinians off that land. They're also being.
Speaker 2: For decades. For decades they have given that and also
Speaker 2: portions the West Bank to the Palestinians. Was there anything
Speaker 2: that happened last October seventh that you think was real
Speaker 2: or no?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, a lot was real.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: My heart goes out to the previous callers, and I like,
Speaker 5: from the bottom of my heart, I pray that the
Speaker 5: hostages are all returned safely, and I want to go
Speaker 5: back to the de same killing.
Speaker 2: The hostages is who's killing the hostages.
Speaker 5: Both both Israel and Hamas. I think you can look
Speaker 5: at IDF videos on social media and see the war
Speaker 5: crimes that they're carrying out using Palestinian civilians as human shields.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to have Jason, Jason do me a favorite.
Speaker 2: Why don't you talk to this gentleman? Sure that is
Speaker 2: nothing I can say to him.
Speaker 3: No, it's so you know, I think when you talk
Speaker 3: about genocide, it's a really strong word number one, number two,
Speaker 3: uh to characterize. I think what Israel has been doing
Speaker 3: over the last year is genocide. It kind of again
Speaker 3: ignores or glosses over, uh what what started the situation,
Speaker 3: which was Comas crossing the border and killing as many
Speaker 3: people as it could. And the question I had for
Speaker 3: you is if you if you at least start from
Speaker 3: the point of accepting that that attack actually took place,
Speaker 3: that Hamas trained for actually spent months and months on
Speaker 3: the kibbutzes, working crossing the border every day, working legally
Speaker 3: creating dossier's and profiles of all the inhabitants of those kibotzes,
Speaker 3: of where their bomb shelters were, layouts of the houses
Speaker 3: which have all been which which have all all of
Speaker 3: this is public domain, and then going in and you know, killing, raping, uh, dismembering.
Speaker 3: I'm taking hostage all these people. Do you think that
Speaker 3: if they could have gotten farther into Israel that they
Speaker 3: would have kept going until they just plowed their way through.
Speaker 5: So to answer your question, yes, it did happen October seventh,
Speaker 5: Yes it was real, and yes there are atrocities that
Speaker 5: were committed by Hamas. I'm not pro Hamast is that justified, Tristan.
Speaker 2: Tristan, was that justified in your mind? What they did?
Speaker 3: What who did?
Speaker 2: What Hamas did on October seventh justified.
Speaker 5: In your mind?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: And no, and neither is cutting off the food, water, electricity,
Speaker 5: and fuel to millions.
Speaker 2: Okay, so done? What should have Israel done? In response
Speaker 2: to that, the other guy said, but that.
Speaker 3: Is actually I'm sorry. I would just want to I
Speaker 3: just want to say, if you can answer the question
Speaker 3: like if do you think Hamas would have stopped if Israel,
Speaker 3: if the IDF didn't finally mobilize and come to the
Speaker 3: aid of everybody that was getting attacked. Do you think
Speaker 3: that Hamas would have kept going if it could have,
Speaker 3: and gone all the way through Israel, killing as many
Speaker 3: people as.
Speaker 2: It could have. Okay, Tristan, go ahead, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I'm not pro Hamas. I don't know if they would
Speaker 5: have kept going. Maybe they would have. And I am
Speaker 5: glad that Israelis were able to defend themselves, but they
Speaker 5: should stop now because they are going too far by
Speaker 5: killing tens of dollars.
Speaker 2: You got word of that. I'm up at my eleven
Speaker 2: o'clock news. I appreciate your call. Call again and we'll
Speaker 2: talk more. Jason. I wish you good safe travels home,
Speaker 2: and I wish that your cousin is released as soon
Speaker 2: as possible. We're going to continue this conversation into the
Speaker 2: next hour, and it could get pretty heated. I do
Speaker 2: not believe that people can exist like this. I really don't.
Speaker 2: If you want to hold on to the news for
Speaker 2: five minutes, I'll give you a final closing comment on
Speaker 2: the other side, but I don't want to keep you
Speaker 2: any longer than than the hour that I promise you
Speaker 2: want to hold on for five through the news. I
Speaker 2: gotta the news. I have no choice in that. I
Speaker 2: gotta take it. No problem, Hang on there, We'll be
Speaker 2: right back