WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:05.320 It's Nightside with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Easy Boston's 2 00:00:05.360 --> 00:00:07.360 new radio. 3 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:12.000 Welcome back everybody. Tomorrow night, we will be at this 4 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:18.839 hour discussing Question two on the Massachusetts ballot. But that's 5 00:00:18.839 --> 00:00:22.519 for tomorrow night, October eighth, at ten o'clock. So if 6 00:00:22.519 --> 00:00:24.280 you have a position, I'm that when I listen to 7 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:28.359 us tomorrow night. But tonight, I want to focus on 8 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:32.520 a very sad and horrific anniversary. Today is the first 9 00:00:32.560 --> 00:00:37.600 anniversary of what happened in Israel when Jumas murdered in 10 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:42.240 cold blood over twelve hundred innocent men, women and children 11 00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:47.159 that terrible Saturday morning a year ago, on October seventh, 12 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:52.679 twenty twenty three. With us is a Bostonian, a lawyer 13 00:00:52.679 --> 00:00:56.399 from Boston who have gotten to know since that happened 14 00:00:56.439 --> 00:01:00.439 a year ago. Jason Greenberg. Jason, you have an incredible story. 15 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:06.200 You were in Israel last October seventh when all of 16 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:10.840 this occurred. Correct, Yes, welcome, Welcome back to Nightside. By 17 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:12.480 the way, let me first say that, so you're in 18 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:16.280 Israel and you got an early call. You were there 19 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:23.319 with your dad visiting relatives, and five of your extended 20 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:33.079 family were either killed or taken hostage by himas who 21 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:36.400 were the family members that died. I just want to 22 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:38.760 hear their names and I want to hear what happened 23 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:40.239 to everyone. 24 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:45.959 Sure, so, Carmela and Noya were a grandmother and granddaughter. 25 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:49.840 Carmela had just turned eighty and Noya was twelve years old, 26 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:55.760 and they were killed that day. Noya was spending Shabas 27 00:01:56.400 --> 00:01:59.000 with her grandma, as she often did. They lived on 28 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:04.599 Kibbutz Nero, which was essentially wiped off the face of 29 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:10.080 the earth. And then Opa Calderam and his two children, 30 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:13.639 Sahar and Eras, Sahara being a sixteen year old girl 31 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:19.039 and Areas As now thirteen year old boy, they were 32 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:23.879 taking hostage. The video of Eras being taken away gunpoint 33 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:28.759 on a back of a moped was made, you know, 34 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:35.000 painfully available within a few hours. Yeah, yeah, so you know, 35 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:37.719 there was no question as to who it was and 36 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:44.039 what happened. It was made apparently really quick, and subsequently, 37 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:48.639 Sahar and Eras were released on November twenty seventh last 38 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:53.680 year in the third round of ceasefire hostage exchanges, thank god, 39 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:57.439 and they are living with their mother now in Israel 40 00:02:57.520 --> 00:03:02.000 and trying to move forward. With our lives, but their 41 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:07.759 father over is still being held hostage in a tunnel somewhere. 42 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:12.319 The last time or the last confirmation of life that 43 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:16.280 we had was over two months ago now, or around 44 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:21.240 two months ago when hostages were rescued by the IDF. 45 00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:24.599 It was they had said that they confirmed that Opha 46 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:27.120 was alive about a month before that. They didn't have 47 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:29.560 a really great gauge on time. So you know, it's 48 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:32.080 been about two and a half months since anybody's seen him, 49 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:35.439 but obviously we all believe that, you know, he's still alive, 50 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:37.360 and his kids definitely want their dat home. 51 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:39.560 How how old is your is your cousin? 52 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:42.439 He's fifty three, fifty three. 53 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:44.919 Years of age. And what did he do in Israel? 54 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:46.080 What type of work did he do? 55 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:51.599 He was a master chunter and he when it wasn't working, 56 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:55.360 he was part of an adventure cycling team that traveled 57 00:03:55.360 --> 00:03:59.479 the world. The Israeli National Cycling Team actually posted something 58 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:03.439 in memorial or in the anniversary of the killings and 59 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:08.120 featured him on the on there on them. I think 60 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:11.120 it was Facebook against all that posts. 61 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:15.560 This is this has been a nightmare for you which 62 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:19.560 hasn't ended. And of course for others, but mindus then, 63 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:24.439 he is you're going to return to Israel this week. 64 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:29.199 Yep. Yeah, I'm going to to be with my family 65 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:33.680 and see friends, and also to see the places where 66 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:36.639 the attack happened and where some of my family members 67 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:38.399 were killed along with so many others. 68 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:45.839 Now, a year ago, you were with your dad and 69 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:52.000 you were able to get your dad back home, which 70 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:57.560 is you know, great by going back, particularly at this 71 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:02.560 point when the the wars are raging. I mean, Israel 72 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:06.120 is dealing with his Bollah, They're dealing with the masque, 73 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:09.199 they're dealing with the hoodies, they're they're dealing in Lebanon, 74 00:05:09.319 --> 00:05:12.720 and they're undergoing two sets of strikes and it's even 75 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:18.240 some strikes today from Iran. I mean, I don't want 76 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:19.959 to lionize you here, but that takes a lot of 77 00:05:19.959 --> 00:05:22.759 guts to go back into that set of circumstances. 78 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:25.879 I mean, I don't think it takes a lot of guts. 79 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:30.720 I think it's just if I'm ardently in support of 80 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:33.519 everything that's going on there. I want to show my 81 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:35.519 family and they want to see me, will show them 82 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:38.000 that I support them. They I want to be supported 83 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:40.759 by them, and it's as simple as that. 84 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:44.800 A year ago when this happened, did you ever think 85 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:49.959 that a year later, you know, two of your family 86 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:54.199 members would be dead, one would still be in captivity, 87 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:56.079 and two would have been released. I mean, this has 88 00:05:56.120 --> 00:06:01.319 to have been an absolute nightmare for everyone that knew 89 00:06:01.399 --> 00:06:02.279 these fine people. 90 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:06.920 Yeah, I mean, I definitely hoped a year ago when 91 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:08.560 we spoke that I wouldn't have to speak to you 92 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:12.639 again about this, especially not a full year later. But 93 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:16.319 you know, it is where we are, and you know, 94 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:22.879 I knew in mid run October eighteenth last year was 95 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:28.519 when we got definitive word about Carmela and Moya, and 96 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:33.120 then you know, obviously between then and the end of 97 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:37.800 November was pretty Trying to have the kids come home 98 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:42.279 was amazing. It's but you know, it's not just over. 99 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:45.279 It's you know, and you talk about twelve hundred people 100 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:48.439 being being murdered and slaughtered e at number is more 101 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:51.079 like thirteen fifty with all of the hostages that have 102 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:56.480 been executed, starved, cultured, killed in captivity. So you know, 103 00:06:57.040 --> 00:07:01.879 and it's not to equivocate numbers any side. The reality 104 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:04.319 is that you know, those people were attacked in their 105 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:09.959 beds on the morning of the Sabbath, and everybody else 106 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:12.360 has had to feel the reverberations, and you know, kind 107 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:14.240 of living the same day over and over. In terms 108 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:15.000 of the uncertainty. 109 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:18.759 My guest is Jason Greenberg. We get back when I 110 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:21.800 talk with Jason about the demonstrations that have been occurring 111 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:25.959 not only in Israel but here. I looked at that 112 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:28.480 demonstration in New York today and I was sick to 113 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:32.519 my stomach. You know, tens of thousands, It looked to 114 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:38.040 me like tens of thousands of people marching denouncing Israel. 115 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:40.639 There was, as I understand, a couple of people who 116 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:43.240 were brave enough to show up with Israeli flags. Those 117 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:46.879 flags were taken from them by the so called Peach 118 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:53.319 Peace marchers. I hope you have some idea about what 119 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:58.000 I'm talking about. Yesterday in Boston. I believe that there 120 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:06.399 were blockages drive I mean, yeah, em yeah, right, which 121 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:10.560 I think was part of it. I am appalled that 122 00:08:10.839 --> 00:08:13.959 any Americans would be joining what I consider to be 123 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:19.240 a pro Hamas demonstration, because the difference between pro Palestinian 124 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:22.399 at this point in pro Hamas, in my mind, is 125 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:25.639 totally blurred. Maybe you can describe and explain to me 126 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:29.399 the distinction, but I don't see it. I really don't. 127 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:32.279 We'll we'll take a moment. My guess is Jason Greenberg. 128 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:38.919 He is a family member who had five close relatives 129 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:43.639 directly impacted by the horror of September seventh. The morning 130 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:47.600 of September seventh, twenty twenty three, we'll be back on 131 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:50.519 Night's Side, more conversation with Jason. And I'd like to 132 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:55.080 hear from some of you. Has your view changed, because 133 00:08:55.519 --> 00:09:02.559 I think over time sometimes people become more conciliatory. Uh 134 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:05.039 And and I don't know that that's the proper way 135 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:07.639 to deal with terrorists. We'll be back on Nightside. You 136 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:10.000 know the number six, one, seven, two, five, four ten 137 00:09:10.080 --> 00:09:12.399 thirty six one seven, nine three, one ten thirty Back 138 00:09:12.399 --> 00:09:13.360 on Nightside after this. 139 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:17.399 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World 140 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:20.679 Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio. 141 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:25.120 My guest is Jason Greenberg. He's heading to Israel on Thursday. 142 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:29.000 He's a great lives in Great Boston. He's an attorney 143 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:31.960 here in Massachusetts. He was in Israel last October seventh. 144 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:36.559 He was with his dad. They he got his dad 145 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:39.720 home here safely, but five of his relatives who they 146 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.200 had visited, you had had visited with those people, if 147 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:47.639 I recall correctly, just that within a few hours before 148 00:09:47.679 --> 00:09:50.799 of the before the attack. Am I correct on that, Jason, I. 149 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:53.799 Was supposed to see them on the Sunday the next day. 150 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:56.679 I got it, Okay, I got Yeah, you. 151 00:09:56.600 --> 00:10:01.320 Never you never got there, Okay. Obviously, So as you 152 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:05.919 watch those demonstrations in New York today, which you know, 153 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:10.399 in the most charitable characterization, we're considered pro Palestinian demonstrations, 154 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:14.120 and you watch what's went on in Stoo Drive yesterday, 155 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:19.159 what is what do you think as someone who has 156 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:23.000 been touched and impacted by this on a very direct basis. 157 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:27.759 Yeah, I mean so with the protest, the protests in 158 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:31.279 New York and Manhattan today and here in Boston yesterday, 159 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:34.879 and you know, around the country, it's manifestation of the 160 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:39.320 Week of Rage that has been kind of storing cauldron 161 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:42.600 for weeks now with groups if you want to call 162 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:45.600 them that, like the s JP, the Students for Justice 163 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:50.919 for Palestine and others, you know, and it's I don't 164 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:56.960 I don't have an explanation for how where these ccs 165 00:10:57.000 --> 00:11:01.720 make sense that these that these groups are espousing, except 166 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:06.399 in a world where they're just rooted in blatant anti Semitism. 167 00:11:06.519 --> 00:11:10.600 You know, from the very first days after the attack itself, 168 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:12.960 you have a letter from Harvard, and then you have 169 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:18.799 the ensuing, the growing, the ensuing anti Semitic movements on 170 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:24.120 campuses around the country, you know, all blaming Israel within 171 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:29.240 literally hours of over a thousand people getting killed in 172 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:32.320 the worst possible way. I mean, I've seen the pictures 173 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:36.240 of the homes where my family members were ripped from, 174 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:39.519 and the blood on the sheets and on the walls, 175 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:44.799 and the hair and the you know, the bloody clothes, 176 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:47.279 some of which were left behind so that they could 177 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:51.720 blend into bushes. You know, those things are real. And 178 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:56.519 it's only in a world, I think, where these movements 179 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:01.720 have gained so much traction that they're you know, they're 180 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:07.879 merely magnets for for what's already there, and that's any Semitism. 181 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:08.159 You know. 182 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:11.200 We'd love to say that so much has changed since 183 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:14.399 the nineteen thirties and forties, but I don't really think 184 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:17.519 it has in many respects. And that's the that's the 185 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:20.120 playing field that Israel gets to play the game on. 186 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:23.879 And it's uphill no matter how, no matter which direction 187 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:28.399 you're going, and that is it makes it even more challenging. 188 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:30.759 But you know, you look at what Israel has been 189 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:36.600 able to accomplish as a military as a military state, 190 00:12:36.759 --> 00:12:39.360 or as you know, within its military campaign over the 191 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:43.879 last year. It's getting bombed all the time. As Bolla 192 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:48.279 started with rockets on October eighth, Hamas hasn't stopped. They 193 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:52.240 marked the anniversary today as well as Iran by raining 194 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:55.559 down rockets again. My family members were in bomb shelters 195 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:59.080 again today. You know, I have an app on my 196 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:02.360 phone that UH tells every time there's a siren in 197 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:05.879 various cities throughout Israel where my family members are. And 198 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:08.320 it was blowing up all day to day, no unintended 199 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:14.200 And that's that's the reality that israelis live in. And 200 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:19.799 it's it's it's seems to be really somehow, maybe it's 201 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:22.519 the ocean. It just gets lost in translation over here. 202 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:26.879 Somehow Israel is still the demon the demonizing force in 203 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:30.759 all of this, uh, and it it makes it harder 204 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:34.799 to understand or harder to accept, you know, harder to 205 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:39.159 accept as somebody who has unfortunately had to be swept 206 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:41.879 up in this because their family members were made victims 207 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:44.960 of the moments. So, uh, it's unfortunate, but I don't 208 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:46.080 have another explanation. 209 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:51.240 Yeah, Jason, I'm looking at a press release today from 210 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:53.480 a group that I have known about a long time. 211 00:13:53.919 --> 00:13:57.759 It's called the Council and American Islamic Relations, and it 212 00:13:57.879 --> 00:14:02.320 sounds very benign. But their press release is headlined one 213 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:07.279 year after October seventh, CARE, the Council and American Islamic 214 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:12.000 Relations says long past time for Biden to force a 215 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:17.240 ceasefire deal that ends Gaza genocide, frees all captives, and 216 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:21.279 lays groundwork to end occupation. Let me interpret that, not 217 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:24.919 for you, but for my audience. One year after October seventh, 218 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:27.159 CARE says it's long past time for Biden to force 219 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:30.960 a ceasefire deal. I don't know how Biden can force 220 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:33.440 the State of Israel to do something they don't want 221 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:41.080 to do that ends Gaza genocide. That's not Gaza genocide, 222 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:46.080 that is an effort by Israel to wipe out thousands 223 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:51.480 of terrorists, freese all captives. I don't know what they 224 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:55.000 describe by that, but the only captives that I'm aware 225 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:57.559 of are the captives that are being held by Hamas 226 00:14:57.639 --> 00:15:00.799 right now. And lay's groundwork to end ocum patient. What 227 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:05.200 they're talking about there, Jason, is the Jewish occupation of 228 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:08.440 the portion of the world that is that is called 229 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:12.120 Israel and is referred to in these demonstrations as from 230 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:18.559 the river to the sea. That must infuriate It infuriates me. 231 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:22.000 I don't happen to be Israeli or Jewish, but it 232 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:25.480 infuriates me that any American can look at that situation 233 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:29.600 and write a news release with it, with a headline 234 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:31.720 that is so disingenuous as that. 235 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:35.159 I don't know how much of the last response I gave, 236 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:39.320 but I mean, I I'm, you know, feel a pretty 237 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:43.200 loyal or very loyal audience. So I'm going to kind 238 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:48.519 of reiterate or at least reference pretty much everything that 239 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:54.200 your guest Jeff Robins had said with respect to you know, 240 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:58.080 how these how these groups are comporting themselves and what 241 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:02.039 they're putting out there. You know, it's just as and 242 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:04.919 and please stop me if if you did hear this part, 243 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:05.919 but you know since the. 244 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:07.559 Well, I didn't do that, so I want to hear 245 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:08.080 it go right in. 246 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:11.360 I mean, here we are a year later, and what 247 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:16.120 happened a few days after the attack on October seventh. 248 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:20.039 You have groups like the Conglomerate at Harvard and then 249 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:25.159 the different universities all claiming that Israel is at fault, 250 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:30.320 Israel is the one to blame, and groups here like 251 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:35.919 the Students for Justice for Palestine and other voices like that. 252 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:40.039 You know, from behind the rally in New York today 253 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:45.159 and Boston yesterday and other cities is very just thinly 254 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:48.799 veiled anti semitism, which you know, we're living in a 255 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:50.919 world where we'd like to think we've moved fast and 256 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:54.679 evolved from the nineteen thirties and forties, when really we haven't. 257 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:58.080 That's that's what it signals to me, is that it 258 00:16:58.120 --> 00:17:01.600 doesn't matter which way is where looks, it's always being 259 00:17:01.639 --> 00:17:04.920 looked back at as with eyes of enemies. 260 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:08.480 I was characterizing the headline of this press release, and 261 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:12.319 I finished with my characterization by saying that they want 262 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:15.680 somehow President Biden to force a cease fire. I don't 263 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:18.480 think it's his role to force a cease fire on 264 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:23.480 a country that is under ballistic missile attack. Free ends 265 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:27.440 Gaza genocide. It's a language. It's not a genocide in Gaza. 266 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:29.880 It's an effort by as I said before of the 267 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:35.680 military to gwin and find and eliminate terrorists who attacked 268 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:41.119 innocent civilians last October seventh, free all captives. I have 269 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:43.559 no idea what they mean by that. They certainly could 270 00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:46.759 have been more specific and lay's groundwork to end occupation. 271 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:55.200 For me, that is language which essentially says destroy Israel, 272 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:59.200 get Israel out of there because they are the occupying force, 273 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:02.519 and return in the land, which I think is improper 274 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:06.720 obviously to the Palestinians. Can do you read that any 275 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:07.119 other way? 276 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:11.359 I mean, I don't, but you know it's it. It 277 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:13.559 falls on deaf ears and a lot of respects. I mean, 278 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:17.759 any anybody who's anybody knows the history, you know, and 279 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:19.960 I'm not talking to thousands of years, I'm talking the 280 00:18:20.039 --> 00:18:24.279 last hundred years, even the last eighty years, knows that 281 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:29.960 there's never been one group that has led the Palestinians 282 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:34.880 that has even come close to accepting any deal which 283 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:37.759 would create a two party system or I'm sorry, a 284 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:43.319 two state solution, or give Palestinian statehood's sovereignty. You know, 285 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:45.279 I can think of at least five examples. I'm not 286 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:48.599 going to go into all, but starting you know, there's 287 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:51.400 the un Partition Plan on something before that, all the 288 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:53.799 way through the Deal of the Century just a few 289 00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:58.799 years ago, there were ways for Palestine, you know, to 290 00:18:58.880 --> 00:19:02.799 be become a state, and they've rejected it every time. 291 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:06.000 The one reason is they will not share Jerusalem with 292 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:09.599 the Jews. And you look at you look at Kazbolah. 293 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:15.000 You know, the party of God, their God damned Jews 294 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:20.960 for eternity, and the second coming of the Islamic Messiah 295 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:24.279 will be invoked when Jews are a race from the earth. 296 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:28.480 That's their founding principle. And when you talk about a ceasefire, 297 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:31.920 you know, every version of a ceasefire has been on 298 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:34.799 the table, put on the table. Israel has acquiesced to 299 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:38.640 things that it probably shouldn't is even countenance, and it's 300 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:43.880 been rejected outright in line with history by Hamas. Every 301 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:47.039 group that has had the chance to reach some way 302 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:49.680 to move forward has rejected it. So what would be 303 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:52.160 the point of Biden trying to force anything and down 304 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:55.200 anyone's throats. And who will we to tell Israel how 305 00:19:55.279 --> 00:19:59.119 it protects its own livelihood, trying to handcuff the country 306 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:01.519 when it's in the fight for his wife. I mean 307 00:20:01.759 --> 00:20:04.440 it's getting bombed all the time. It has everybody which 308 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:07.480 is trying to attack it from all sides, in all angles. 309 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:10.720 And what should we do? They should fight with their 310 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:13.359 hands behind their backs. That's what That's what I read 311 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:16.640 that as. And moreover, it's let's make sure that Israel 312 00:20:16.759 --> 00:20:17.400 cannot win. 313 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:21.079 Let's go to the phones here and see what people 314 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:24.240 have to say. Jason Justin joins us from Boston. Justin, 315 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:27.519 appreciate you calling in. You're my guest, Jason Greenberg, who 316 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:30.880 heads back to Israel UH to resume a visit that 317 00:20:31.039 --> 00:20:37.559 was cut short a year ago. If Justin's not there, Rob, 318 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:40.519 we'll pick it up and we'll go to Hi's. 319 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:42.119 Russ in New York again. 320 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:43.480 Go right ahead, Russ. 321 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:47.319 Sorry, oh oh Dan, okay, I'm sorry. The question I 322 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:49.799 have for your guests, and it's a respectful way, is 323 00:20:49.839 --> 00:20:53.920 that has Israel unleashed three hundred and sixty five days 324 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:56.480 of rage? And the one question I saw in the 325 00:20:56.559 --> 00:21:00.279 rallies today in New York sat mark Jews who are 326 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:04.960 already sect they're Asitic black hat Jews. So, in other words, 327 00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:10.039 are these Asitic Jews are really anti Zionists? Are they 328 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:13.759 anti Semitic That's why I'd like to know if Jason 329 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:14.640 has an answer for that. 330 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:17.920 Yeah, I did see some you know, look to me 331 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:23.519 like Orthodox either Jewish people or Orthodox rabbis, and that 332 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:27.039 one was being used. There was a Palestinian woman that 333 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:30.640 was talking to someone and he was being used, you know, 334 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:33.319 as a prop almost he never opened his mouth, but 335 00:21:33.720 --> 00:21:35.880 she put her arms around. And we have a lot 336 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:37.920 of Jewish support. I couldn't tell if the guy was 337 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:40.720 dressed up as asthenic Jew or he was, because he 338 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:41.319 never spoke. 339 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:44.599 Go ahead, Jason, I'm sory. 340 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:46.279 No, go ahead, Jason. 341 00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:49.279 Then I question the same thing you do in terms 342 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:55.000 of are these actual haupidic Jews. I don't know for sure. 343 00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:57.839 I don't know if they're you know, positioned, or they're 344 00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:00.640 propaganda or what they may be, or if they're just 345 00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:05.880 expatriots or defectors. I really can't answer the questions, but 346 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:09.359 I can assure you that they are not representative of 347 00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:13.559 a Zionism or of anybody that is supporting Israel. And 348 00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:17.079 to answer your question a sort of about rage being 349 00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:19.440 unleashed over the past three hundred and sixty five days, 350 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:22.920 I think dan It has said it numerous times and 351 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:25.359 continues to say it, and I am in full agreements 352 00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:29.599 that I don't. I wouldn't characterize it as rage. I 353 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:33.799 would characterize it as going after a terrorist group which 354 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:38.000 seeks the annihilation of Israel, one which not only as 355 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:42.240 captives that include my family, but nearly two million Palestinians. 356 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:46.079 They are also captives because they are being used. And 357 00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:49.359 you know, I don't mean to sound trite because it 358 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:51.920 does get said over and again, but it doesn't make 359 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:55.400 it any less true that they are bomb jackets for 360 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:59.079 come us. That they are innocent people who are being 361 00:22:59.279 --> 00:23:03.240 slaughtered on a daily basis because Kamasi uses them as 362 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:08.799 human shields. That hasn't changed. So it is unfortunate. It's tragic. 363 00:23:09.039 --> 00:23:12.519 Deaths on both sides are tragic. I'm not saying that 364 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:15.000 you can morally equivocate one to the other. What I 365 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:17.559 am saying is that Israel has not been acting out 366 00:23:17.559 --> 00:23:20.599 of rage. It's been acting to preserve its own existence. 367 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:23.200 Well, it seems to me that there's a lot of 368 00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:27.200 devastation for preserving your existence. There are one hundred thousand 369 00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:30.079 dead bodies, and believe me, those are real Jews in 370 00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:33.960 those black hats. It's heresy to say they're not. They 371 00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:36.839 don't believe in Israel because the Old Testament says that 372 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:40.200 Israel can only be established by God, not by the 373 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:43.759 United Nations. And they are not anti Semitic, they are 374 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:47.960 good Jews. And another thing this is Dan Usk. 375 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:49.240 Could I ask you a question, Dan? 376 00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:49.880 Thank you. 377 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:55.519 Yeah, here's my question. As of October eighth, a year ago, 378 00:23:56.039 --> 00:23:57.640 if you had been the prime and I don't know 379 00:23:57.640 --> 00:23:59.440 if you're Jewish or not, it doesn't matter, but if 380 00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:02.440 you had been the Prime Minister of Israel, what would 381 00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:02.960 have you done? 382 00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:05.119 Well? 383 00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:07.599 I would have contained the problem and then I would 384 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:10.839 have put the people who were responsible on trial. That's 385 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:13.559 what I would I wouldn't have unleashed a holocaust on 386 00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:14.319 other people. 387 00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:16.720 And then you, so you would have you. 388 00:24:17.079 --> 00:24:20.240 Would have you would have basically saw it as a 389 00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:21.279 police action. 390 00:24:21.160 --> 00:24:23.680 Meaning, in other words, exactly exact crimes. 391 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:25.880 So, so let me finish. I just want to make 392 00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:30.200 sure I'm truly understand your position. Okay, So, you would 393 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:36.240 have gotten Israeli police andrew soldiers as quickly as possible 394 00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:41.359 to the Kobutz's which are under attack. You would have 395 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:45.960 tried to save as many innocent Israelis from you know, 396 00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:49.119 from from what was going on, and if you were 397 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:54.160 able to capture some of the individuals who you thought 398 00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:59.640 had perpetrated these crimes, you would have arrested them. Obviously 399 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:01.759 it is they would have had a right to trial. 400 00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:05.079 I assume. I don't know how many you might have 401 00:25:05.119 --> 00:25:07.319