Speaker 1: You're listening to kaf I AM six forty the Bill
Speaker 1: Handles show on demand on the iHeartRadio app Yesterday last evening,
Speaker 1: another horrific airline crash.
Speaker 2: This one or actually a.
Speaker 1: Collision between a civilian aircraft American Airlines regional plane. It
Speaker 1: was a smaller plane I think sixty some odd people
Speaker 1: can hold I think seventy and a military helicopter as
Speaker 1: the plane was approaching landing at Reagan Reagan Airport.
Speaker 2: In Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: With us Jay Ratliffe, the iHeart aviation expert who joins
Speaker 1: us whenever we have these unfortunate stories and he knows.
Speaker 3: What he was talking about.
Speaker 1: Jay, thanks for taking the time, greatly appreciated. Can we
Speaker 1: start with what happened? And then I have question after question?
Speaker 1: So describe what happened.
Speaker 2: If you would.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, we had a American Airlines commuter flight
Speaker 3: flying in. It was American Airlines fifty three forty two.
Speaker 3: On approach coming out of what you talk Kansas into Washington,
Speaker 3: DC's Reagan Airport to normal operations, clear skies, ten miles visibility,
Speaker 3: the winds a little bit sixteen to twenty miles an hour.
Speaker 3: It was okay and then as they were preparing for landing,
Speaker 3: at the last moment, the aircraft collided with an essence,
Speaker 3: a military black Hawk helicopter and exploded in the air
Speaker 3: and no one survived. Sixty passengers for crew members on
Speaker 3: the American Airlines flight, and then three people that were
Speaker 3: crew members on the aircraft. And now the search francers
Speaker 3: begins because obviously having two aircraft in the same spot
Speaker 3: is not what we want, and it just I've not
Speaker 3: had to talk about this since February of two thousand
Speaker 3: and nine. It's been sixteen years since our last aviation
Speaker 3: disaster here in the United States involving a US carrier
Speaker 3: with a crash and a loss of life. Now, we
Speaker 3: did have the Asiana plane crash or episode that we
Speaker 3: had in San Francisco. We had a couple of fatalities there,
Speaker 3: but they were more from what happened after the crash
Speaker 3: and the crash itself. But it's not the norm. So
Speaker 3: when this happens, everybody kind of gets to wake up
Speaker 3: called like, oh my gosh, what happened?
Speaker 1: With that being said, a couple of questions and if
Speaker 1: there is a silver lining, you can possibly just take
Speaker 1: something out of it. Is it fair to say that
Speaker 1: no one aboard the airplane ever knew what happened. It
Speaker 1: happened so quickly, it was instantaneous, so there was no anticipation,
Speaker 1: there was no pain, there was nothing that fair to say.
Speaker 3: I would think, given the explosion that we unfortunately had
Speaker 3: to witness on the video, that would be an accurate statement.
Speaker 3: In fact, I think the only people that might have
Speaker 3: had any sort of prior knowledge that something was about
Speaker 3: to happen them would have been the flight crew for
Speaker 3: American Airlines, and that would have been the helicopter coming
Speaker 3: up underneath from the side would have been the last
Speaker 3: thing they saw before everything happened. And I believe that
Speaker 3: you're right that no one suffered, and that's certainly something
Speaker 3: that if that's the case, we're certainly glad to see,
Speaker 3: because you know, aviation is incredibly safe, and when this happens,
Speaker 3: we always have questions, and I always say, the best
Speaker 3: way for us to honor the lives of those that
Speaker 3: were lost is to make sure that we learned from
Speaker 3: the accident and then do everything humanly possible to prevent
Speaker 3: it from ever happening again. And that's what the National
Speaker 3: Transportation Safety Board is going to do now. Right now,
Speaker 3: we have nothing but questions. But there are some observations
Speaker 3: that I can offer because we have heard the air
Speaker 3: traffic control conversation from ATC to the militarily helicopter that
Speaker 3: was flying on a VFR or visual flight rules. They
Speaker 3: were lying along the Potomac River as that's what that
Speaker 3: corridors for, and it was at the proper altitude. They
Speaker 3: were what we hope they were, and they were responsible
Speaker 3: for making sure they kept a visual separation between them
Speaker 3: and any other aircraft. Well, what happens is air traffic
Speaker 3: Control reaches out to them and says, hey, do you
Speaker 3: have a visual of that American Airlines flight? Now? The
Speaker 3: problem or a question I have is that happened seconds
Speaker 3: before impact. So my question is, now wait a minute.
Speaker 3: And again it's a snippet. We don't know if anything
Speaker 3: happened before or anything else. So this is a tainted
Speaker 3: observation that doesn't have all the facts. But why are
Speaker 3: we asking a question moments before impact that's going to
Speaker 3: require a response that we then have to give evasive
Speaker 3: commands to. To me, it should have been you need
Speaker 3: to evade, you need to move, you need to do
Speaker 3: whatever to that black Hawk helicopter, which obviously, between the
Speaker 3: two aircraft is the one better positioned to respond quickly
Speaker 3: because that's what they do, all right, to get out
Speaker 3: of the way.
Speaker 1: So with that, with that in mind, okay, I have
Speaker 1: an additional question, and we can do this for hours
Speaker 1: and hours, and that is I'm assuming that that air
Speaker 1: space because I know that Reagan International is one of
Speaker 1: the busiest.
Speaker 2: Airports probably in the world. I know it's the busiest
Speaker 2: airport that we have in the United States.
Speaker 1: Certain number of planes, uh, and corridors are established specifically,
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't put helicopters anywhere at the same
Speaker 1: time as airplanes coming in or the same level or
Speaker 1: the same trajectory. Any preliminary uh, any preliminary accounts were
Speaker 1: they in the wrong places? Was air traffic involved and
Speaker 1: telling them.
Speaker 2: Where to go?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Does it look like anyone is at fault pilots? Uh?
Speaker 2: It would have to either be pilot, air or traffic control.
Speaker 2: Any idea.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean at this point in time that there's
Speaker 3: no way to know any of the definitive stuff at
Speaker 3: this point in time because of the fact that you know,
Speaker 3: the investmentation is going to take us where we need
Speaker 3: to go, So we don't know what the investigation will
Speaker 3: help us out as far as what's taken place. The
Speaker 3: conversations that happened between air traffic control and the pilots
Speaker 3: is obviously something for me that is a big, big
Speaker 3: issue because what I want to know is what happened before, during,
Speaker 3: and after. And unfortunately they communicate the air traffic control
Speaker 3: with the pilots on one frequency and of military and
Speaker 3: then the commercial pilots on another frequency. So sadly, the
Speaker 3: American Airlines crew could not benefit from overhearing that conversation.
Speaker 3: And again, we don't know what the American Airlines crew
Speaker 3: was told of anything. Hey there's a black hog in
Speaker 3: the area, keep an eye out, blah blah blah. Typically
Speaker 3: that's not the case, So I don't know. We're going
Speaker 3: to have to wait and see everything. In the National
Speaker 3: Transportation Safety Board that's going to be overseeing this entire investigation,
Speaker 3: they're an all star team. They will do everything they
Speaker 3: can to make sure that they get as much of
Speaker 3: the information as they possibly can, and we'll get to
Speaker 3: the bottom of what happened, and then they will make
Speaker 3: recommendations to the Federal Aviation Ministration about ways that we
Speaker 3: can improve safety, and then it's up to the FAA
Speaker 3: whether or not they implement those because many times they
Speaker 3: do not, and we'll make things even safer. But I mean,
Speaker 3: we're going to find probably absent a mechanical problem or
Speaker 3: a medical episode that happened on the crew members, that
Speaker 3: this was an unbelievably preventable accident.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now again that's asinine for me to say, but I have.
Speaker 2: Investigations, you know. I think I think that that's a
Speaker 2: pretty good guest. Can you hang on to one more segment?
Speaker 3: I can? I can't.
Speaker 1: Okay, great, that would because I again more and more
Speaker 1: and more questions and analysis from you.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back with that. Jay Ratliffe, iHeart Aviation Expert.
Speaker 4: You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
Speaker 4: six forty.
Speaker 1: Thursday morning, January the thirtieth, and welcome back, by the way,
Speaker 1: and if I'm on echo, because I just lost you
Speaker 1: guys on my computer, so don't know what I can
Speaker 1: do with that right now. In the meantime, let's go
Speaker 1: back to Jay Ratcliffe, the iHeart Aviation Expert, and we're
Speaker 1: talking about the crash that occurred last night, the mid
Speaker 1: air collision between a military hospital, a military helicopter and
Speaker 1: a civilian aircraft American Airlines Regional jet. And the jet
Speaker 1: was on approach four hundred and five hundred feet up. Boom,
Speaker 1: the collision happened. Everybody on board died. Of course, what
Speaker 1: sixty four people on the civilian aircraft and then three
Speaker 1: people on the military helicopter. Jay, let me ask you.
Speaker 1: The first thing that comes to mind when I saw
Speaker 1: this was, how about anti collision systems?
Speaker 2: Don't both aircraft have them?
Speaker 1: And do we have any information that they kicked in
Speaker 1: or said something.
Speaker 2: To the pilots.
Speaker 3: Well, the tea cash or the traffic collision Avoidance system
Speaker 3: is well known and well used. In fact, all of
Speaker 3: us that bore the airplane hear the flight crew testing it.
Speaker 3: Pull up, pull up, you know, because it's designed that
Speaker 3: if your aircraft gets in close proximity to another, it
Speaker 3: alerts one crew to do one thing and the other
Speaker 3: crew to do the other thing. You know what, one
Speaker 3: will ascend to the other. World decend to make sure
Speaker 3: that they don't end up occupying the same airspace at
Speaker 3: the same time. Now, typically on every commercial aircraft you've
Speaker 3: got teacass available. To my knowledge, it's not something that
Speaker 3: is on the Black Hark Because of that, it requires
Speaker 3: a specific transponder for that to happen, So that's one thing.
Speaker 3: The other thing is typically once you go under one
Speaker 3: thousand feet, the TCAs system tends to shut off, so
Speaker 3: it's really of no use when you're in that final
Speaker 3: thousand feet, which is unfortunately where this happened. And you
Speaker 3: can tell that the flight crew had literally no indication
Speaker 3: of what was going on because as you watch that
Speaker 3: horrific video, you see them just continuing to descend as
Speaker 3: they would typically come in for landing and the impact.
Speaker 3: There was no last minute adjustment to course, altitude anything
Speaker 3: like that, which you're right when you talk about how
Speaker 3: it just caught everybody off guard, and it did, and
Speaker 3: at that point in time, there was obviously nothing that
Speaker 3: could be done. So they really didn't have the tools
Speaker 3: to use that you would have elsewhere. And you don't
Speaker 3: have a flight crew in American airlines that's busy looking
Speaker 3: out the windows. Any critical time of flight, the most
Speaker 3: critical is five hundred feet in under. If you're taking off,
Speaker 3: m landing, you have a lot of things that you're doing,
Speaker 3: and in the last bit, because they're seconds away from landing.
Speaker 3: You've got your airspeed, you've got all of the pre
Speaker 3: arrival things you do pre landing, and you were monitoring
Speaker 3: systems making sure that everything's going. You have constant communication
Speaker 3: between the two crew members on executing that landing. So
Speaker 3: you're busy doing a whole bunch of things, and then
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, out of nowhere, here comes an
Speaker 3: aircraft from underneath and to one side that you know
Speaker 3: you're on top of before you know it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, that was the other question in terms
Speaker 1: of trajectory. There's video there, so who ran into whom
Speaker 1: and from where.
Speaker 3: Well, there's an argument to be made that both aircraft
Speaker 3: were where they were supposed to be or could have been.
Speaker 3: In other words, had the American Airlines flight not been there,
Speaker 3: the Blackhawk was in the corridor that it should have been. Now,
Speaker 3: another question that I have is typically that ceiling is
Speaker 3: two hundred feet for that designated visual corridor that goes
Speaker 3: up and down the river there. So reports are this
Speaker 3: collision happened at four hundred feet, So again the initial findings,
Speaker 3: who knows, We'll have to wait and see. But that's
Speaker 3: a question. I mean, if it was a four hundred
Speaker 3: feet was a black Hawk at a different altitude. But
Speaker 3: also keep in mind you had three crew members on
Speaker 3: that black Hawk that were officers that were simply doing
Speaker 3: were current train When we hear that it's a training flight,
Speaker 3: it wasn't somebody up there learning how to do things.
Speaker 3: They were on what's called an annual we're current training
Speaker 3: where they were simply going through their annual current night training. Uh,
Speaker 3: and they were very, very proficient at what they did.
Speaker 3: So you've got them where there should be. And obviously
Speaker 3: the American Airlines flight grew is exactly where they were
Speaker 3: told to be. And uh, it just happened the two
Speaker 3: airplanes ended up at the same spot at the same time.
Speaker 1: So so you're I'll go ahead and finish up now.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, and how many times have
Speaker 3: you and I talked about this year and going into
Speaker 3: even last year, the number of runway incursions, near miss
Speaker 3: of things that we've had at airports around the country.
Speaker 3: And each time you and I are holding our breath thinking,
Speaker 3: dear Lord, how close are we to really having a
Speaker 3: super accident with some of these And you know, it
Speaker 3: had it been two commercial jets, you know, it would
Speaker 3: have been far worse than it was. And you know,
Speaker 3: my heart goes out to the families that are involved
Speaker 3: in this because my family had a loss that was
Speaker 3: very public as well, and when it's constantly on the news,
Speaker 3: you can't get away from it. It is just it
Speaker 3: just makes it even more difficult to go through. But
Speaker 3: American Airlines as a care team, these are individuals on
Speaker 3: a go team like I was with Northwest. When there's
Speaker 3: an accident, you're dispatch to that facility and you're assigned
Speaker 3: to work with a specific family who had a lost
Speaker 3: loved one. During the entire process, you're getting them set
Speaker 3: up with the hotel rangers, you're taking care of any
Speaker 3: of their family that needs to send them, You're working
Speaker 3: with whatever funeral home that they're going to do. I mean,
Speaker 3: it is a very emotional, unbelievably so time for the
Speaker 3: American Airlines care team people. So you've got so many
Speaker 3: people that are impacted that this is going to change
Speaker 3: your life forever. And once we start hearing the stories
Speaker 3: of the people that were on those planes in the helicopter,
Speaker 3: it's going to make it even more tragic as we
Speaker 3: hear about the futures that were lost in an accident
Speaker 3: that we'll probably find out and never should have happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and stories are already coming out, for example, the
Speaker 1: skating team, Oh yeah, skaters, the champions, all of it.
Speaker 2: Jay, thank you.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, we're probably going to be talking about this a
Speaker 1: little bit more over the next few.
Speaker 2: Days and weeks.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Jay Ratliff, ihearted expert. All right,
Speaker 1: coming up, Jim Keeney, who is going to talk to us.
Speaker 1: So I asked some questions about the CDC, Donald Trump
Speaker 1: and the World Health Organization.
Speaker 2: That just begins the conversation.
Speaker 4: You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
Speaker 4: six forty.
Speaker 1: And the light of this a mid air collision last night,
Speaker 1: all of us are spinning. And we still have tons
Speaker 1: of politics that are going on that would be front
Speaker 1: page news, but for what happened one of them, for example,
Speaker 1: of RFK, his first hearing was yesterday and it's going
Speaker 1: to continue on today. But Jim Keeney is our guest,
Speaker 1: actually not even yes, he's a regular on the show.
Speaker 2: Jim, who is the.
Speaker 1: Chief medical officer of Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center in
Speaker 1: Long Beach. Uh and Jim and not only an er
Speaker 1: doctor but also a doctor that has specialized and dealt
Speaker 1: with mass casualties.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's one of the things you know something about.
Speaker 1: So jim uh here you are in the er room
Speaker 1: and you hear that something like this just happens. Now
Speaker 1: the reality is they're gonna there are going to be
Speaker 1: no survivors. But is that is that assumption made or
Speaker 1: do you anticipate casualties coming in?
Speaker 5: Yeah, we we usually anticipate casualties coming in, and we
Speaker 5: would get that from EMS or emergency medical services in
Speaker 5: the field. So typically, you know, somebody would call nine
Speaker 5: to one one, they would arrive to the location. They
Speaker 5: would set up what they call an incident command and
Speaker 5: would have an incident commander who would organize everything because
Speaker 5: you're going to have multiple agencies and units responding to
Speaker 5: this event, so somebody has to kind of coordinate and
Speaker 5: take control. Then they start dividing up the work and
Speaker 5: we'll say, you know, such and such unit will be
Speaker 5: on the east bank, the other one will be on
Speaker 5: the west bank. The other one will be you know,
Speaker 5: with a helicopter over the water, another one will be
Speaker 5: with a boat unit in the water. So they start
Speaker 5: coordinating all that and we'll quickly, they'll set up an
Speaker 5: area where they're going to bring patients, and that'll be
Speaker 5: the extraction area where all now ambulances will show up
Speaker 5: and gather in that area, so that as they find victims,
Speaker 5: they'll bring them to those areas. So there's really as
Speaker 5: you can see, once we're starting to set up all
Speaker 5: that structure, there's typically enough time to get at least
Speaker 5: a few minutes, if not even you know, hours warning
Speaker 5: before we start get patients.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let me ask this.
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly, initially it starts with we are on
Speaker 1: a rescue mission.
Speaker 2: That's what the authorities here.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that then sets off what you just said.
Speaker 1: And then in this case, it wasn't too much longer.
Speaker 1: Now it's recovering bodies, and as soon as you hear that,
Speaker 1: you shut everything down.
Speaker 2: Do I have that right?
Speaker 5: Not exactly. I mean, you know, of course, when you
Speaker 5: call nine one one, we don't have to declare it
Speaker 5: a rescue mission. I mean, that's what it is.
Speaker 2: What I'm talking about the authorities now.
Speaker 5: From the very beginning. Yeah, I mean, then the authorities
Speaker 5: are gonna make comments, but on the ground they are
Speaker 5: somewhat disconnected. A lot of the times between what the
Speaker 5: authorities say and what's going on on the ground. But yes,
Speaker 5: they will say we are in the mode, we are
Speaker 5: in a rescue operation mode right now, which is by definition,
Speaker 5: what's happening when you call nine one one and then yeah,
Speaker 5: then once they realize okay, wait a second, the water temperature.
Speaker 5: You know, we're talking about minutes of survival, not hours
Speaker 5: of survival, and here we are hour later. There's just
Speaker 5: no way somebody would survive in that cold of water.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: Here's the thing though about hypothermia is that, you know,
Speaker 5: we never say the rule is nobody's dead until they're
Speaker 5: warm and dead, because if you cool off fast enough
Speaker 5: and it protects your brain. A lot of times, you know,
Speaker 5: people can be down for quite a long period of
Speaker 5: time and we can resuscitate them.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, just absolutely heartbreaking this. And the reality is,
Speaker 1: even when it's a quote rescue, if you've got a
Speaker 1: mid air collision, as soon as I've heard mid air collision,
Speaker 1: it's over. I mean, no one ever survives that or
Speaker 1: it happens. So now I don't even think anybody has
Speaker 1: survived anything like that. At four hundred feet mid air
Speaker 1: collision where you see that huge fireball. All right, moving
Speaker 1: away from there, let's take a break, because I want
Speaker 1: to talk about a big, big picture, and that is
Speaker 1: the FED saying that the CDC, the President does not
Speaker 1: communicate in anymore with the World Health Organization.
Speaker 2: That relationship is now severed. Oh what does that mean?
Speaker 1: And then we're looking at the largest outbreak of TB
Speaker 1: in US history.
Speaker 4: You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from kf I
Speaker 4: AM six forty.
Speaker 2: Jim Keeney a regular segment.
Speaker 1: W what's been going on for a couple of decades now,
Speaker 1: doctor Jim Keeney, who is an er specialist in er
Speaker 1: doc and now the chief medical officer of Dignity Saint
Speaker 1: Mary Medical Center in Long Beach.
Speaker 2: All right, Jim, two big stories.
Speaker 1: When I heard that Trump had cut off the CDC's
Speaker 1: communication with the World Health Organization, I was fairly stunned,
Speaker 1: and I was thinking, this is.
Speaker 2: No small deal.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming I'm right on that one. And what kind
Speaker 1: of repercussions are we talking about?
Speaker 5: Sure? Yeah, I mean it's not a small deal. CDC
Speaker 5: and who work collaboratively and have done so for a
Speaker 5: long time. They share information, they collaborate with each other
Speaker 5: and especially in the world of surveillance like disease surveillance
Speaker 5: and response, so we get early warnings when things are
Speaker 5: going on in other countries, say Marlborough virus or empos
Speaker 5: or even Avian flu monitoring. They're looking at that, coordinating
Speaker 5: with the CDC, and then we're made aware of those
Speaker 5: and are able to respond. I mean, when you think
Speaker 5: about it, we're not with jet travel. It's a global
Speaker 5: economy and a global everything. So you know, you've got
Speaker 5: four hundred thousand people a year coming from the continent
Speaker 5: of Africa to the United States, and that has the
Speaker 5: potential to bring some of those diseases that we see
Speaker 5: that initiate in Africa and then end up in the
Speaker 5: United States. We could lose that early warning system.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out even would be the politics.
Speaker 1: And you may not know this answer because it's not
Speaker 1: a medical question, but does the United States fund most.
Speaker 2: Of the work that the World Health Organization does? Maybe
Speaker 2: that's the political reason this happened.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I believe it is about money, and and yes,
Speaker 5: the United States is a big supporter of the World
Speaker 5: Health Organization and spends a lot of money. And I
Speaker 5: know that Donald Trump has mentioned before that that you know,
Speaker 5: we disproportionately contribute to a lot of different things in
Speaker 5: the world, and this was one of them. So this
Speaker 5: may be just kind of a strategic move to get
Speaker 5: better participation globally. I don't I don't really know.
Speaker 2: Well, work with NATO. I'll tell you that the first
Speaker 2: time around.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, tuberculosis Kansas City, Who the hell gets tb anymore?
Speaker 1: I mean I thought that was you know, this is
Speaker 1: in Doc Holiday, sitting in tombstone, coughing up, you know,
Speaker 1: blood into a napkin.
Speaker 2: What is going on here?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's really interesting because for the most part,
Speaker 5: you know, tuberculosis is controlled in the United States. There
Speaker 5: are cases of tuberculosis, like eight to ten thousand cases
Speaker 5: a year in the United States of tuberculosis, but it's treatable.
Speaker 5: We have antibiotics for most of it. There is multi
Speaker 5: drug resistant tuberculosis, and even cases that are resistant to
Speaker 5: all known antibiotics to treat tuberculosis, but those are rare.
Speaker 5: Most of them come from outside the country because the
Speaker 5: rest of the world is still struggling with tuberculosis. That's
Speaker 5: actually a worldwide problem, a much bigger problem outside the
Speaker 5: United States. So to see this, especially because you know,
Speaker 5: during COVID again we saw drops and a lot of
Speaker 5: communicable diseases, and tuberculosis was one of those. During the
Speaker 5: years following COVID, we saw big drops in TV cases
Speaker 5: and now all of a sudden, we're starting to see this.
Speaker 5: We see this one area where it's resurging. I didn't
Speaker 5: really see there's two kinds. There's latent TV and active.
Speaker 5: And they said a lot of these cases are latent,
Speaker 5: which means not active, not infectious. You can't spread it.
Speaker 5: But when we test people, we know that they have
Speaker 5: tuberculosis in their body.
Speaker 2: I mean, just crazy. Just a quick story.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I share that with you, but
Speaker 1: my mom worked at All of You Medical Center as
Speaker 1: a lab technician. All of You Medical Center in Silmar,
Speaker 1: before it became a County General Hospital, was.
Speaker 2: A TB hospital. It was a tuberculosis hospital and in
Speaker 2: fifties my mother was there.
Speaker 1: There were times when there were four, count them, four
Speaker 1: patients that she was dealing with. She had to bring
Speaker 1: books with her to read because she would go out
Speaker 1: of her mind all day because drawing blood from four
Speaker 1: people does not take eight hours, so it has it
Speaker 1: gone from that kind of rarity to it's much more prominent.
Speaker 5: No, that's why this is a surprise. It really has
Speaker 5: been relatively under control. So it is a shocker to
Speaker 5: get a grouping of cases like this. I mean, it's
Speaker 5: so it remains to be seen why did this happen.
Speaker 5: TV is not easy to catch.
Speaker 3: You have to be in the.
Speaker 5: Space with someone for a prolonged period of time to
Speaker 5: be able to get TV from somebody. That's why we
Speaker 5: see it in confined spaces like jails and places like that,
Speaker 5: or communal living type of places. We don't usually see
Speaker 5: it in the general public, especially in big outbreaks. If
Speaker 5: you're sitting next to someone on the subway or even
Speaker 5: on a plane ride, you're very unlikely to get TV
Speaker 5: even if they have it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Jim, thank you.
Speaker 1: We do this again next Thursday at seven thirty, like
Speaker 1: we do every week.
Speaker 2: Have a good one. We'll talk again, all right, coming
Speaker 2: out Joel.
Speaker 1: Larsguard which we do on Thursday, which we broadcast and
Speaker 1: Joel always has great information as we go in through
Speaker 1: some of the financial world. Oh and Valentine joins us
Speaker 1: at eight point fifty. There is a massive benefit concert
Speaker 1: and it's going to be carried here on iHeart and well,
Speaker 1: Valentine is all over that, and you'll explain what's going
Speaker 1: on to help the victims of the fire. And that's
Speaker 1: our last segment this morning. All right, we'll be back
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