WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.760 --> 00:00:03.720 You're listening to kaf I AM six forty the Bill 2 00:00:03.759 --> 00:00:10.679 Handles show on demand on the iHeartRadio app Yesterday last evening, 3 00:00:11.080 --> 00:00:13.519 another horrific airline crash. 4 00:00:13.560 --> 00:00:15.160 This one or actually a. 5 00:00:15.080 --> 00:00:21.120 Collision between a civilian aircraft American Airlines regional plane. It 6 00:00:21.160 --> 00:00:23.600 was a smaller plane I think sixty some odd people 7 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:28.920 can hold I think seventy and a military helicopter as 8 00:00:29.000 --> 00:00:33.359 the plane was approaching landing at Reagan Reagan Airport. 9 00:00:33.039 --> 00:00:34.039 In Washington, d C. 10 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:38.560 With us Jay Ratliffe, the iHeart aviation expert who joins 11 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:42.240 us whenever we have these unfortunate stories and he knows. 12 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:42.960 What he was talking about. 13 00:00:43.119 --> 00:00:47.240 Jay, thanks for taking the time, greatly appreciated. Can we 14 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:52.119 start with what happened? And then I have question after question? 15 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:54.399 So describe what happened. 16 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:54.640 If you would. 17 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:58.880 Well, I mean, we had a American Airlines commuter flight 18 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:03.079 flying in. It was American Airlines fifty three forty two. 19 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:08.239 On approach coming out of what you talk Kansas into Washington, 20 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:13.719 DC's Reagan Airport to normal operations, clear skies, ten miles visibility, 21 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:16.920 the winds a little bit sixteen to twenty miles an hour. 22 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:21.680 It was okay and then as they were preparing for landing, 23 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:26.159 at the last moment, the aircraft collided with an essence, 24 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:31.840 a military black Hawk helicopter and exploded in the air 25 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:36.200 and no one survived. Sixty passengers for crew members on 26 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:39.920 the American Airlines flight, and then three people that were 27 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:44.799 crew members on the aircraft. And now the search francers 28 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:49.439 begins because obviously having two aircraft in the same spot 29 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:53.840 is not what we want, and it just I've not 30 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:56.480 had to talk about this since February of two thousand 31 00:01:56.519 --> 00:02:00.760 and nine. It's been sixteen years since our last aviation 32 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:03.640 disaster here in the United States involving a US carrier 33 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:06.120 with a crash and a loss of life. Now, we 34 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:09.560 did have the Asiana plane crash or episode that we 35 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:13.120 had in San Francisco. We had a couple of fatalities there, 36 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:15.360 but they were more from what happened after the crash 37 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:18.280 and the crash itself. But it's not the norm. So 38 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:20.199 when this happens, everybody kind of gets to wake up 39 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:22.000 called like, oh my gosh, what happened? 40 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:25.080 With that being said, a couple of questions and if 41 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:28.840 there is a silver lining, you can possibly just take 42 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:31.639 something out of it. Is it fair to say that 43 00:02:32.199 --> 00:02:36.000 no one aboard the airplane ever knew what happened. It 44 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:40.960 happened so quickly, it was instantaneous, so there was no anticipation, 45 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:44.000 there was no pain, there was nothing that fair to say. 46 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:47.680 I would think, given the explosion that we unfortunately had 47 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:51.759 to witness on the video, that would be an accurate statement. 48 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:55.280 In fact, I think the only people that might have 49 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:59.680 had any sort of prior knowledge that something was about 50 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:01.599 to happen them would have been the flight crew for 51 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:08.080 American Airlines, and that would have been the helicopter coming 52 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:10.759 up underneath from the side would have been the last 53 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:13.680 thing they saw before everything happened. And I believe that 54 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:16.800 you're right that no one suffered, and that's certainly something 55 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:20.840 that if that's the case, we're certainly glad to see, 56 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:25.520 because you know, aviation is incredibly safe, and when this happens, 57 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:28.319 we always have questions, and I always say, the best 58 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:30.120 way for us to honor the lives of those that 59 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:34.719 were lost is to make sure that we learned from 60 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:37.520 the accident and then do everything humanly possible to prevent 61 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:39.719 it from ever happening again. And that's what the National 62 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:42.199 Transportation Safety Board is going to do now. Right now, 63 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:45.479 we have nothing but questions. But there are some observations 64 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:48.520 that I can offer because we have heard the air 65 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:55.319 traffic control conversation from ATC to the militarily helicopter that 66 00:03:55.439 --> 00:03:59.280 was flying on a VFR or visual flight rules. They 67 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:04.560 were lying along the Potomac River as that's what that 68 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:07.800 corridors for, and it was at the proper altitude. They 69 00:04:07.840 --> 00:04:11.240 were what we hope they were, and they were responsible 70 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:14.159 for making sure they kept a visual separation between them 71 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:17.319 and any other aircraft. Well, what happens is air traffic 72 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:18.959 Control reaches out to them and says, hey, do you 73 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:21.959 have a visual of that American Airlines flight? Now? The 74 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:25.360 problem or a question I have is that happened seconds 75 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:29.160 before impact. So my question is, now wait a minute. 76 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:31.920 And again it's a snippet. We don't know if anything 77 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:36.240 happened before or anything else. So this is a tainted 78 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:39.000 observation that doesn't have all the facts. But why are 79 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:42.800 we asking a question moments before impact that's going to 80 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:46.160 require a response that we then have to give evasive 81 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:49.160 commands to. To me, it should have been you need 82 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:51.959 to evade, you need to move, you need to do 83 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:55.199 whatever to that black Hawk helicopter, which obviously, between the 84 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:59.199 two aircraft is the one better positioned to respond quickly 85 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:01.480 because that's what they do, all right, to get out 86 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:01.959 of the way. 87 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:04.639 So with that, with that in mind, okay, I have 88 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:06.720 an additional question, and we can do this for hours 89 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:10.040 and hours, and that is I'm assuming that that air 90 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:13.519 space because I know that Reagan International is one of 91 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:14.879 the busiest. 92 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:16.720 Airports probably in the world. I know it's the busiest 93 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:18.199 airport that we have in the United States. 94 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:24.560 Certain number of planes, uh, and corridors are established specifically, 95 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:27.199 I mean, you don't put helicopters anywhere at the same 96 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:31.160 time as airplanes coming in or the same level or 97 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:35.839 the same trajectory. Any preliminary uh, any preliminary accounts were 98 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:39.480 they in the wrong places? Was air traffic involved and 99 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:40.240 telling them. 100 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:40.480 Where to go? 101 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:41.399 Uh? 102 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:46.720 Does it look like anyone is at fault pilots? Uh? 103 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:49.560 It would have to either be pilot, air or traffic control. 104 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:50.240 Any idea. 105 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:53.720 Well, I mean at this point in time that there's 106 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:57.199 no way to know any of the definitive stuff at 107 00:05:57.199 --> 00:05:59.480 this point in time because of the fact that you know, 108 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:01.560 the investmentation is going to take us where we need 109 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:04.519 to go, So we don't know what the investigation will 110 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:08.279 help us out as far as what's taken place. The 111 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:12.360 conversations that happened between air traffic control and the pilots 112 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:14.680 is obviously something for me that is a big, big 113 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:18.920 issue because what I want to know is what happened before, during, 114 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:23.120 and after. And unfortunately they communicate the air traffic control 115 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:28.480 with the pilots on one frequency and of military and 116 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:31.720 then the commercial pilots on another frequency. So sadly, the 117 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:35.720 American Airlines crew could not benefit from overhearing that conversation. 118 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:39.199 And again, we don't know what the American Airlines crew 119 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:41.000 was told of anything. Hey there's a black hog in 120 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:44.040 the area, keep an eye out, blah blah blah. Typically 121 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:47.000 that's not the case, So I don't know. We're going 122 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:49.040 to have to wait and see everything. In the National 123 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:52.399 Transportation Safety Board that's going to be overseeing this entire investigation, 124 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:56.079 they're an all star team. They will do everything they 125 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:58.360 can to make sure that they get as much of 126 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:01.439 the information as they possibly can, and we'll get to 127 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:03.560 the bottom of what happened, and then they will make 128 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:06.680 recommendations to the Federal Aviation Ministration about ways that we 129 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:09.079 can improve safety, and then it's up to the FAA 130 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:11.199 whether or not they implement those because many times they 131 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:15.720 do not, and we'll make things even safer. But I mean, 132 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:19.759 we're going to find probably absent a mechanical problem or 133 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:22.639 a medical episode that happened on the crew members, that 134 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:25.879 this was an unbelievably preventable accident. 135 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:26.240 Yeah. 136 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:29.519 Now again that's asinine for me to say, but I have. 137 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:32.600 Investigations, you know. I think I think that that's a 138 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:34.560 pretty good guest. Can you hang on to one more segment? 139 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:36.560 I can? I can't. 140 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:39.319 Okay, great, that would because I again more and more 141 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:41.600 and more questions and analysis from you. 142 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:46.079 We'll be right back with that. Jay Ratliffe, iHeart Aviation Expert. 143 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:51.279 You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM 144 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:52.199 six forty. 145 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:58.120 Thursday morning, January the thirtieth, and welcome back, by the way, 146 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:01.000 and if I'm on echo, because I just lost you 147 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:05.279 guys on my computer, so don't know what I can 148 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:07.480 do with that right now. In the meantime, let's go 149 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:11.639 back to Jay Ratcliffe, the iHeart Aviation Expert, and we're 150 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:14.000 talking about the crash that occurred last night, the mid 151 00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:19.319 air collision between a military hospital, a military helicopter and 152 00:08:19.399 --> 00:08:24.040 a civilian aircraft American Airlines Regional jet. And the jet 153 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:26.639 was on approach four hundred and five hundred feet up. Boom, 154 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:30.879 the collision happened. Everybody on board died. Of course, what 155 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:34.720 sixty four people on the civilian aircraft and then three 156 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:39.440 people on the military helicopter. Jay, let me ask you. 157 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:41.519 The first thing that comes to mind when I saw 158 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:44.639 this was, how about anti collision systems? 159 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:47.200 Don't both aircraft have them? 160 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:49.919 And do we have any information that they kicked in 161 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:51.279 or said something. 162 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:51.879 To the pilots. 163 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:55.399 Well, the tea cash or the traffic collision Avoidance system 164 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:58.360 is well known and well used. In fact, all of 165 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:01.559 us that bore the airplane hear the flight crew testing it. 166 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:04.799 Pull up, pull up, you know, because it's designed that 167 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:07.879 if your aircraft gets in close proximity to another, it 168 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:10.600 alerts one crew to do one thing and the other 169 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:12.879 crew to do the other thing. You know what, one 170 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:15.360 will ascend to the other. World decend to make sure 171 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:18.639 that they don't end up occupying the same airspace at 172 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:23.840 the same time. Now, typically on every commercial aircraft you've 173 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:28.559 got teacass available. To my knowledge, it's not something that 174 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:32.120 is on the Black Hark Because of that, it requires 175 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:36.559 a specific transponder for that to happen, So that's one thing. 176 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:38.919 The other thing is typically once you go under one 177 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:43.720 thousand feet, the TCAs system tends to shut off, so 178 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:45.960 it's really of no use when you're in that final 179 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:49.759 thousand feet, which is unfortunately where this happened. And you 180 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:54.000 can tell that the flight crew had literally no indication 181 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:55.879 of what was going on because as you watch that 182 00:09:55.919 --> 00:10:00.200 horrific video, you see them just continuing to descend as 183 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:04.360 they would typically come in for landing and the impact. 184 00:10:04.399 --> 00:10:09.320 There was no last minute adjustment to course, altitude anything 185 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:12.039 like that, which you're right when you talk about how 186 00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:15.159 it just caught everybody off guard, and it did, and 187 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:17.240 at that point in time, there was obviously nothing that 188 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:20.159 could be done. So they really didn't have the tools 189 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:24.200 to use that you would have elsewhere. And you don't 190 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:26.759 have a flight crew in American airlines that's busy looking 191 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:29.679 out the windows. Any critical time of flight, the most 192 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:32.559 critical is five hundred feet in under. If you're taking off, 193 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:34.720 m landing, you have a lot of things that you're doing, 194 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:38.039 and in the last bit, because they're seconds away from landing. 195 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:41.799 You've got your airspeed, you've got all of the pre 196 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:44.879 arrival things you do pre landing, and you were monitoring 197 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:48.720 systems making sure that everything's going. You have constant communication 198 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:54.759 between the two crew members on executing that landing. So 199 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:57.200 you're busy doing a whole bunch of things, and then 200 00:10:57.240 --> 00:11:00.360 all of a sudden, out of nowhere, here comes an 201 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:04.159 aircraft from underneath and to one side that you know 202 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:05.679 you're on top of before you know it. 203 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:08.440 And yeah, yeah, that was the other question in terms 204 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:13.559 of trajectory. There's video there, so who ran into whom 205 00:11:14.679 --> 00:11:16.240 and from where. 206 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:19.600 Well, there's an argument to be made that both aircraft 207 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:22.759 were where they were supposed to be or could have been. 208 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:26.039 In other words, had the American Airlines flight not been there, 209 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:31.159 the Blackhawk was in the corridor that it should have been. Now, 210 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:34.000 another question that I have is typically that ceiling is 211 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:38.720 two hundred feet for that designated visual corridor that goes 212 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:42.039 up and down the river there. So reports are this 213 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:45.720 collision happened at four hundred feet, So again the initial findings, 214 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:48.240 who knows, We'll have to wait and see. But that's 215 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:49.919 a question. I mean, if it was a four hundred 216 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:52.799 feet was a black Hawk at a different altitude. But 217 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:55.639 also keep in mind you had three crew members on 218 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:59.120 that black Hawk that were officers that were simply doing 219 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:02.360 were current train When we hear that it's a training flight, 220 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:04.759 it wasn't somebody up there learning how to do things. 221 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:07.440 They were on what's called an annual we're current training 222 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:11.919 where they were simply going through their annual current night training. Uh, 223 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:14.480 and they were very, very proficient at what they did. 224 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:18.399 So you've got them where there should be. And obviously 225 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:21.519 the American Airlines flight grew is exactly where they were 226 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:24.639 told to be. And uh, it just happened the two 227 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:27.240 airplanes ended up at the same spot at the same time. 228 00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:32.679 So so you're I'll go ahead and finish up now. 229 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:34.039 I was going to say, and how many times have 230 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:36.159 you and I talked about this year and going into 231 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:39.679 even last year, the number of runway incursions, near miss 232 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:42.480 of things that we've had at airports around the country. 233 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:45.360 And each time you and I are holding our breath thinking, 234 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:47.639 dear Lord, how close are we to really having a 235 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:52.000 super accident with some of these And you know, it 236 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:55.679 had it been two commercial jets, you know, it would 237 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:58.720 have been far worse than it was. And you know, 238 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:02.159 my heart goes out to the families that are involved 239 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:04.960 in this because my family had a loss that was 240 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:08.240 very public as well, and when it's constantly on the news, 241 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:10.399 you can't get away from it. It is just it 242 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:12.399 just makes it even more difficult to go through. But 243 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:15.480 American Airlines as a care team, these are individuals on 244 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:17.639 a go team like I was with Northwest. When there's 245 00:13:17.639 --> 00:13:21.399 an accident, you're dispatch to that facility and you're assigned 246 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:24.320 to work with a specific family who had a lost 247 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:28.039 loved one. During the entire process, you're getting them set 248 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:30.519 up with the hotel rangers, you're taking care of any 249 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:33.000 of their family that needs to send them, You're working 250 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:35.360 with whatever funeral home that they're going to do. I mean, 251 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:40.279 it is a very emotional, unbelievably so time for the 252 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:43.679 American Airlines care team people. So you've got so many 253 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:45.799 people that are impacted that this is going to change 254 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:50.200 your life forever. And once we start hearing the stories 255 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:53.480 of the people that were on those planes in the helicopter, 256 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:56.240 it's going to make it even more tragic as we 257 00:13:56.440 --> 00:13:59.679 hear about the futures that were lost in an accident 258 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:01.879 that we'll probably find out and never should have happened. 259 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:04.759 Yeah, and stories are already coming out, for example, the 260 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:08.360 skating team, Oh yeah, skaters, the champions, all of it. 261 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:09.679 Jay, thank you. 262 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:12.000 Unfortunately, we're probably going to be talking about this a 263 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:13.879 little bit more over the next few. 264 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:14.519 Days and weeks. 265 00:14:14.840 --> 00:14:19.480 Thanks for joining us, Jay Ratliff, ihearted expert. All right, 266 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:24.159 coming up, Jim Keeney, who is going to talk to us. 267 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:27.480 So I asked some questions about the CDC, Donald Trump 268 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:29.080 and the World Health Organization. 269 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:30.919 That just begins the conversation. 270 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:36.360 You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM 271 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:36.919 six forty. 272 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:42.320 And the light of this a mid air collision last night, 273 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:45.600 all of us are spinning. And we still have tons 274 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:48.000 of politics that are going on that would be front 275 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:51.000 page news, but for what happened one of them, for example, 276 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:56.960 of RFK, his first hearing was yesterday and it's going 277 00:14:57.000 --> 00:15:01.720 to continue on today. But Jim Keeney is our guest, 278 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:04.120 actually not even yes, he's a regular on the show. 279 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:08.919 Jim, who is the. 280 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:11.559 Chief medical officer of Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center in 281 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:15.759 Long Beach. Uh and Jim and not only an er 282 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:19.960 doctor but also a doctor that has specialized and dealt 283 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:21.360 with mass casualties. 284 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:23.360 I mean, that's one of the things you know something about. 285 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:27.559 So jim uh here you are in the er room 286 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:33.559 and you hear that something like this just happens. Now 287 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:36.279 the reality is they're gonna there are going to be 288 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:40.840 no survivors. But is that is that assumption made or 289 00:15:40.879 --> 00:15:43.360 do you anticipate casualties coming in? 290 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:49.200 Yeah, we we usually anticipate casualties coming in, and we 291 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:53.519 would get that from EMS or emergency medical services in 292 00:15:53.559 --> 00:15:56.960 the field. So typically, you know, somebody would call nine 293 00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:00.279 to one one, they would arrive to the location. They 294 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:03.679 would set up what they call an incident command and 295 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:08.279 would have an incident commander who would organize everything because 296 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:12.639 you're going to have multiple agencies and units responding to 297 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:15.840 this event, so somebody has to kind of coordinate and 298 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:20.120 take control. Then they start dividing up the work and 299 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:22.759 we'll say, you know, such and such unit will be 300 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:25.440 on the east bank, the other one will be on 301 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:27.679 the west bank. The other one will be you know, 302 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:31.279 with a helicopter over the water, another one will be 303 00:16:31.279 --> 00:16:33.799 with a boat unit in the water. So they start 304 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:37.759 coordinating all that and we'll quickly, they'll set up an 305 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:40.080 area where they're going to bring patients, and that'll be 306 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:43.480 the extraction area where all now ambulances will show up 307 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:46.840 and gather in that area, so that as they find victims, 308 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:49.399 they'll bring them to those areas. So there's really as 309 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:51.159 you can see, once we're starting to set up all 310 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:55.360 that structure, there's typically enough time to get at least 311 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:58.600 a few minutes, if not even you know, hours warning 312 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:00.559 before we start get patients. 313 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:01.799 Okay, so let me ask this. 314 00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:05.680 I mean, clearly, initially it starts with we are on 315 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:06.799 a rescue mission. 316 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:08.240 That's what the authorities here. 317 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:11.720 I'm assuming that then sets off what you just said. 318 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:15.000 And then in this case, it wasn't too much longer. 319 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:17.680 Now it's recovering bodies, and as soon as you hear that, 320 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:19.000 you shut everything down. 321 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:20.200 Do I have that right? 322 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:24.200 Not exactly. I mean, you know, of course, when you 323 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:26.119 call nine one one, we don't have to declare it 324 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:27.839 a rescue mission. I mean, that's what it is. 325 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:29.720 What I'm talking about the authorities now. 326 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:32.279 From the very beginning. Yeah, I mean, then the authorities 327 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:34.559 are gonna make comments, but on the ground they are 328 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:37.759 somewhat disconnected. A lot of the times between what the 329 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:42.319 authorities say and what's going on on the ground. But yes, 330 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:44.400 they will say we are in the mode, we are 331 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:47.319 in a rescue operation mode right now, which is by definition, 332 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:51.240 what's happening when you call nine one one and then yeah, 333 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:54.519 then once they realize okay, wait a second, the water temperature. 334 00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:58.240 You know, we're talking about minutes of survival, not hours 335 00:17:58.279 --> 00:18:01.839 of survival, and here we are hour later. There's just 336 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:04.519 no way somebody would survive in that cold of water. 337 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:05.039 Now. 338 00:18:05.079 --> 00:18:07.599 Here's the thing though about hypothermia is that, you know, 339 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:10.920 we never say the rule is nobody's dead until they're 340 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:14.720 warm and dead, because if you cool off fast enough 341 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:17.720 and it protects your brain. A lot of times, you know, 342 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:20.039 people can be down for quite a long period of 343 00:18:20.039 --> 00:18:22.079 time and we can resuscitate them. 344 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:28.319 It's yeah, just absolutely heartbreaking this. And the reality is, 345 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:32.960 even when it's a quote rescue, if you've got a 346 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:36.400 mid air collision, as soon as I've heard mid air collision, 347 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:40.279 it's over. I mean, no one ever survives that or 348 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:42.559 it happens. So now I don't even think anybody has 349 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:45.200 survived anything like that. At four hundred feet mid air 350 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:48.319 collision where you see that huge fireball. All right, moving 351 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:50.279 away from there, let's take a break, because I want 352 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:54.000 to talk about a big, big picture, and that is 353 00:18:55.480 --> 00:18:59.119 the FED saying that the CDC, the President does not 354 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:02.119 communicate in anymore with the World Health Organization. 355 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:05.000 That relationship is now severed. Oh what does that mean? 356 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:08.079 And then we're looking at the largest outbreak of TB 357 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:09.759 in US history. 358 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:14.680 You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from kf I 359 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:15.759 AM six forty. 360 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:20.960 Jim Keeney a regular segment. 361 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:23.119 W what's been going on for a couple of decades now, 362 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:26.799 doctor Jim Keeney, who is an er specialist in er 363 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:30.640 doc and now the chief medical officer of Dignity Saint 364 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:32.680 Mary Medical Center in Long Beach. 365 00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:34.319 All right, Jim, two big stories. 366 00:19:35.119 --> 00:19:42.519 When I heard that Trump had cut off the CDC's 367 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:47.480 communication with the World Health Organization, I was fairly stunned, 368 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:49.200 and I was thinking, this is. 369 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:50.920 No small deal. 370 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:54.640 I'm assuming I'm right on that one. And what kind 371 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:56.200 of repercussions are we talking about? 372 00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:00.559 Sure? Yeah, I mean it's not a small deal. CDC 373 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:03.680 and who work collaboratively and have done so for a 374 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:09.279 long time. They share information, they collaborate with each other 375 00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:14.039 and especially in the world of surveillance like disease surveillance 376 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:18.680 and response, so we get early warnings when things are 377 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:22.640 going on in other countries, say Marlborough virus or empos 378 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:27.319 or even Avian flu monitoring. They're looking at that, coordinating 379 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:29.559 with the CDC, and then we're made aware of those 380 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:31.640 and are able to respond. I mean, when you think 381 00:20:31.640 --> 00:20:36.200 about it, we're not with jet travel. It's a global 382 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:39.240 economy and a global everything. So you know, you've got 383 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:41.920 four hundred thousand people a year coming from the continent 384 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:45.119 of Africa to the United States, and that has the 385 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:47.680 potential to bring some of those diseases that we see 386 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:50.440 that initiate in Africa and then end up in the 387 00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:53.160 United States. We could lose that early warning system. 388 00:20:54.359 --> 00:20:57.440 I'm trying to figure out even would be the politics. 389 00:20:57.400 --> 00:20:59.200 And you may not know this answer because it's not 390 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:05.160 a medical question, but does the United States fund most. 391 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:07.720 Of the work that the World Health Organization does? Maybe 392 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:09.319 that's the political reason this happened. 393 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:13.839 Yeah, No, I believe it is about money, and and yes, 394 00:21:13.960 --> 00:21:16.359 the United States is a big supporter of the World 395 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:19.119 Health Organization and spends a lot of money. And I 396 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:24.400 know that Donald Trump has mentioned before that that you know, 397 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:27.400 we disproportionately contribute to a lot of different things in 398 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:30.000 the world, and this was one of them. So this 399 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:35.200 may be just kind of a strategic move to get 400 00:21:35.680 --> 00:21:38.440 better participation globally. I don't I don't really know. 401 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:41.920