Speaker 1: Hi, this is Christina, and at the time of this
episode release, Carmen and I are on vacation mode visiting
our grandma and the rest of our family in Mexico.
And because of that, we decided to split this episode
into two parts. So you'll hear Carmen's paranormal portion of
the episode this week, and next week you'll hear my
part of the episode. And after this we'll be back
to normal episodes. All right, and onto the episode. I
said episodes too many times. Hi, this is Christina and
Carmen and this is another episode of Speaky Tales podcast
for all things spooky antro crime in Latin America. And
I tried to work on my intro because Carmen only
the patron members heard it. But Carmen was bullying me
last week. I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah, okay. On
today's episode, we have a crazy exorcism story for the
paranormal portion, and then a very sad but ends with
someone surviving with the survivor you know. Yeah so, But
before we get to our two stories, we do have
a listener story and if you want to send a
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are fine. We love receiving them, and we're running shorts,
so please send them. Oh no, yeah, I have like three.
Usually there's more backups, and so you have three left? Yeah?
Oh no, Please send us more stories please? All right?
You want to read this one? Yeah? So this is
from Venissa and we have a location Quell Lakes McDonald's
on West March Lane in Stockton. I know they sent
this after seeing the Stockton video. I love it. You
know what, send us more Stockton stories. We love a
two o nine story. Yeah. I actually have driven by
this McDonald's, so you have. We haven't been inside. No,
why want to go to McDonald's. Yeah, I don't need
They're disgusting. There's better fast food places, you know. Yeah, okay,
to mention them feeding a genocidal right also that? Okay,
So this happened in twenty ten and twenty fifteen, so
let's get into the story. In twenty ten, I had
started my first job as a crew member at Quell
Lake's McDonald's. I was so fairly new, so my hours
were limited. The assistant manager at the time knew I
was looking to work more hours, so when I started
at four pm, she asked me if I would be
interested in staying a few hours longer to cover a
front lobby closing shift. She made it clear what my
responsibilities were, you know, cleaning, sweeping, mopping, not only the
dining room, but both the men and the women's restrooms.
What she didn't tell me was that the women's restroom
was haunted. But I needed the money, so it was whatever,
and I took the extended hours. It was my first
night meeting the closing crew, so I stayed cleaning the
lobby and out of everyone's way. Ten pm and the
doors were already locked by the closing manager. I didn't
know the lights and music were on an atomatic timer,
so it shook me when they went off. There are
technically only three closures by the end of the night,
the drive through person, the girl person, and the manager.
Since I was a lobby person, my shift ended at midnight.
Eleven PM is around the corner and I'm ready to
clean the restrooms. As I'm walking towards the restrooms, a
loud herring scream from what sounded like a little girl
came from the women's side. I froze where I stood,
and before I could even process what I heard, it
happens again, the same little girl scream coming from the
women's restroom. I didn't move until a closer came up
to the register and asked if I was okay. I
didn't hear that. She just nonchalantly replies, what the little
girl's screaming? Yeah, she does that sometimes. Excuse me the
way I would die. I asked the closure to stay
with me to check the restrooms out, and nobody was there.
Nothing was there. It never happened again. Fast forward five
years later, a week after I had quit, I stayed
for lobby clothing, retelling this story to the closures as
they wait to clock in, since we were exchanging spooky stories.
As soon as I finished showing the story, the sign
for the women's restroom falls and it makes a loud
sound hitting the ground. We all got We all got
spooked out of our seats and went our separate ways.
I'll never forget it. Oh my god, no, no, that's terrifying. Also,
I love that they were just sitting there sharing scary
stories me too. Yeah, you never worked the fast food
john did you? No privileged? I'm sorry. I only worked
seasonal at Tjmax and Macy's. I was gonna say the
way you forge connections with someone in fast food because
y'all are torrenching or trenches forging the trenches or whatever
the term is, like in the trenches. It's the real
war in America. Like, thank you for your service, fast
food workers. That's who we should thanking all the sides. Yeah,
that is who should be all the signs, who we
should be thinking because it is rough. Yeah, the closing
shift and restrooms traumatizing. I never had to clean the restroom.
I thought it was too good for it. But I
did do it, like twice. One time I walked into
I don't I feel like we've said this before, but
I worked at the Chicken Barn in my youth eighteen
eighteen my youth, Yeah, and the yeah, I was closing
and they were like, oh, I go clean the bathrooms.
And I went there and there was just like no,
this wasn't even closing. It was like in the afternoon. Anyway.
I went in there and there was like a shit
smeared all over the walls and I were ran out
screaming and I was like, oh my god, there's shit everywhere.
And I was like, have heaving in the middle of
the and there's too but I can be Yeah, I
was packed. It was lunch hour, that's what time. It was, oh,
between twelve and noon, and I was like in the middle.
Oh my, I was like you They were like stop
screaming that there's like poop all over the walls. And
it was like that's everywhere. A lot just yelling and screaming,
and like so many people walked up and left. Actually,
you know what, I sometimes the Modesto some bread. It
will pop up to me and then I will click
to see what always up. And so somebody posted a
thread about the grossest restaurants in Modesto. I remember it
was kind of yes, the Chicken Barn was on it,
and so I told my husband like, how you used
to work there, right, and how we used to get
food from there, blah bah blah, and he's like, oh,
you should try some time. I was like, actually, we
can't try it. I can't do that because it's favor
Glosses played this yeah, yep, and they had like details
about what was gross about it. Something about it was
someone who used to work there, but and more recently
than you. But I don't remember the years or when
they were there or they were still there and whatever
point is, they worked there at some point and it
was like it been about like employees not washing their hands,
like putting their hands in their butts, and hopefully I'm
not missed remembering either way, it was grossed though. For
the record, while we had food from there, I never
saw anyone do this. Oh okay, good, Yeah, I mean
it's too late. I ate the food, you know, but
it was years ago, you know, yeah, so long ago.
Whoever was putting their pans down their butt it wasn't
there because I can't see it. I'm not sure. But yeah,
it's one of the most successing places. And then raising
canes was also on there. Some people said, well, what
they said is that their chicken they got it wasn't
cooked all the way. Yeah, but nothing not washing hands. Yeah,
I don't know. I think about that sometimes I'm like,
oh my god, maybe it's just stop eating out, but
I can't stop eating out. You know, like some people
don't wash their hands and you can get sick. You
can get happtitus a dysentery. What a dysentery? How the
fuck do you pronounce it? A century? No? No, wait, whatever,
second way you said it, I think sounded right. The centery.
Is that how I said it? I think so? Anyway,
that'shit spreading through Borlin right now. So I saw that?
Where else? Did I see? I saw somewhere else outside
of the Oregon Trail. They were saying it was from
the unhoused community because they don't have like where to
use the bathroom, you know, or wash their hands, and yeah,
so that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, anyway, I was gonna
add okay, sorry really quick. This story reminded me about
how I applied to McDonald's. When I was going to
MGC and they didn't fucking hire me, and I was like,
are you fucking serious? Oh no, same when I was
applying everywhere, no one was hiring. We were there actually
at the open interviews together. Oh yeah, we were, yeah, competing,
they didn't well, they didn't hire either one of us. No,
I also went to open interviews. That's some grocery store
that was like American grocery store. Our friend I didn't
know the names of some vegetables and that's why they
didn't hire Wow, and he knew apparently, I don't know,
you know, the sad thing. The only reason Chicken Barn
hired me and so fucking disgusting to I know, I know. Yeah,
but they were like, well, we're only look for like people.
And so the manager was trying to go about it,
avoiding saying what it really was. He's like, we try
to look for people that look good up on the
cash register, like they're presentable, they're charismatic. And then boss,
the owner passed by and he was like, you have
to be pretty. You can't be ugly up here. And
I was like, I remember Jessica telling me about that,
our other friend that worked there. We yeah, we worked
at together and it was so fun. I'm telling you.
We were We went through the trenches together. Yeah, that's
real war. And I say that as a veteran. Well, famously,
you didn't go to war, so true, true, true, I
only went. We went to go have fun and visit
all the countries in Europe. I almost deployed once. Almost.
Oh okay, I guess we should get into this possession.
And that's really yes, Okay, So before we share the
possession of Maria Pisaro. We got this information from a
scholarly I feel like I said that. We're a scholarly
article by the Chilean historian Rene Millard Garvacco, who dedicated
his life to studying colonial times and the Inquisition in
Chile and Peru. And honestly I stand for that. Don
went through it to give us this. Now I remember
her time about that. Thank you, Don, Yes, thank you.
The forty page article is called Entre Angeles Demonios Maria
Pisaro elenki Cicion de Lima and it was posted in
two thousand and seven. So Maria Pisaro was born in Lima, Peru,
in fifteen fifty to Catalina Sermigno and Martin Pisaro, a
long distance relative of the Spanish conquistado or Francisco Pisaro. Gross. Yeah, Maria.
I grew up in a big family that included four
brothers and two sisters, but very early lost her father
and youngest sister Anna. So Maria was raised by her
very traditional mother, who forbade her daughters from getting an education.
Because of this, Maria only learned how to sew and
stitch since her mother felt these were some of the
few skills are proper lady needed. Maria's mother did not
think much of her daughter and believed she wouldn't make
a good wife or mother. Madia's biggest hater her mom.
Sometimes it is oh, yeah, so sad, sad, so yeah.
The mom didn't believe that she would make a good
wife for mother, so when Maria was an adolescent, she
forced Maria into a convent so she could begin her
life as a nun. That plan never came to fruition, though,
as Maria was quickly kicked out of the convent after
nuns accused her of having a sharp tongue. Love that
for her. Yeah, and she also didn't have the necessary
skills to be a nun, according to the nuns. I
wonder what those skills are. I don't know. Maybe she
could pestivity. I'm not sure. She couldn't read. Maybe maybe
I don't know. So why did it matter? These nouns
thought well to put the historical period Madia lived through
into context. Madia was coming of age a few years
before the Peruvian Inquisition started. The Peruvian Inquisition, which began
in fifteen seventy and lasted until eighteen twenty was a
period in time where the Spanish crown gave religious leaders
the power to accuse, gather, punish, and torture anyone who
did not follow the Catholic doctrine. The Catholic Church also
banned and burned any books that did not promote Catholicism.
It was like Latin America's version, and I mean put
on by Spain, but their version of the witch trials,
like the famous Salem witch trials and all the witch burnings,
like this was their version of it. Yeah. Well, it
was around this time that, at eighteen years old, Madia
had her first and nervous breakdown or what they called
it back then, a brain spasm. I have those all
the time. The attack lefters so weak that she was
taken to a priest so she could confess and be
given her last rites. They thought she was dying, which
in Catholicism for anyone who doesn't know, is considered a
holy sacrament a person is supposed to receive from a
priest when they're about to die. Her family took her
to a group of priests known as the Order of
the Dominicans, since her brother Martin himself was a Dominican Friar.
It was this group of religious followers and leaders who
were first exposed to Madia's first demonic fits. According to
the group of religious leaders, when trying to bless Maria,
she began to laugh or scream randomly. The priest figured
this must be a symptom of Maria's illness, so they
brought in a doctor who was unable to figure out
what was wrong with the eighteen year old, which probably
didn't do anything at that time period. Right, this reminds
me of when I was reading Kindred and the doctor's like,
we have to what do they call it? A bloodlet? Oh? Yeah,
let's place. Finally, the leader of the group of priests
determined Maria must be possessed. There's no other possibility to hear,
of course that's the only answer. Yeah. After this, Maria
went fifteen days without eating or talking. The priest took
this as confirmation that Maria was indeed possessed. What else
could it mean? Right, Maria's behavior was so erratic. She
began to jump, roar, scratch her face, and move around
the house so forcefully that her own family was unable
to team her. Desperate for help, Maria was taken to
the priest of San Sebastan, who was known for successfully
performing exorcisms. At the time, possessions were an anomaly in Peru,
so people from across the country came to view Maria,
the first woman to be possessed in Peru. So I
guess she became like a zoo exhibit, not them making
like a little show. Right, yeah, insane, although I guess
to be fair, there wasn't much else to do, right,
I mean, what do people do all day besides the work?
There's no TikTok. But people, I heard it back then,
they only worked like a few It's not like today,
you know, where we had our eight hour workday. Like,
they worked when they needed to, like whatever they need
to get done, and then whatever. I'm assuming they had
their nap time, because that's a tradition from Spain, which
I wish we adopted here. Yeah, and yeah that was
only for the lean of for the lowly workers, which
we would have fallen under. Oh they didn't have naps.
I'm assuming that they've there's always been a class of
people that have been forced to work. Yeah, well yeah,
and so they don't get naps. I just thought they would.
I thought everything closed down. Oh, I don't know, whatever,
it doesn't matter. Some people love convinced that Maria was possessed,
and others believed that perhaps Madya was suffering from epilepsy.
Did they know what epilepsy was back then? Don or
do they now believe? Like, I'm not sure, it doesn't specify,
so whatever. But none of this did much to convince
the priests, who were sure the devil had taken over
Madia's body. Soon after, Maria displayed a scarier behavior and
was so strong that it would take more than three
people to hold her down. One day, while she was
surrounded by the priests, Maria confessed that she made a
deal with the devil ooh, and ranged by her mother's
desician to leave her behind while she took her sister
with her to attend cattle in Adequipa on that day.
So she left Maria, yeah, and so she was pissed.
She just pissed. And so she made a deal with
the devil because she was pissed. I don't know what
he's feeling that it's funny. So on that day, while
under a fig tree on her brother's property, she summoned
the devil himself, who appeared to her, dressed as a
charming man, as one does if you're the devil. You know. Yeah,
he's always well dressed. It's a given, it's a staple. Yeah.
The devil offered Maria his services in exchange for her
her what soul? Yeah, Maria agreed, and to see all
the packed she gave the devil from her middle finger,
a strand of hair and a ring. How long was
the hair on her finger and then she was able to
pull it off and give it to the devil. I'm
not sure. Actually, that's kind of the most disturbing thing
out of all this. Wow, people, you're right. I'm sorry,
I shouldn't judge. Yeah. Shocked by what they heard, the
group of Dominicans, which included Fire alonocon Friar juand Los
Angeles and Fire Francisco de la Cruz, gathered with the
group of Jesuits who decided what to do with Maria.
By the end of the meeting, both religious groups decided
they must continue with Maria's exorcism. I can't imagine what
are the conclusion they would ever come to. With everyone
on board, their first exorcism began Friday morning and lasted
till Saturday afternoon. But it's not that long. Only two days. Yeah,
a weekend, Yeah, weekend exorcism. What are your plans this
weekend exorcism? The religious men were quickly confronted by the
demons inside of Maria. According to the report, they claimed
that demons would take control of Maria and answer on
her behalf when they would ask a question, and they
would try to feed Maria, she would projectile, vomit everything
back out. All of this fell to work, and eventually
the religious men brought in father son Sebastan to help
with the extracism. Father Sebastian was able to successfully get
the demons to appear and answer his questions. Next, the
group of men brought in the archbishop, who analyzed the
situation and it's dead. Believe Madia needed food, so he
took the weak team to his home and fed and
took care of her. That's kind of nice. Yeah. Days
and later, Madia had not recovered, so the archbishop brought
her back home and told the group of religious men
to continue the extracism. He said, nevermind the model, and
this is what she really popped off. After this day,
the group of men performed several extorcisms on Maria around
the clock twenty four to seven. They were like, the
devil works hard, but we work harder. According to fire
better than too. He performed the arcticisms for thirty six days,
removing at least one demon a day. That's lot. But
but but somehow Maria was still possessed. It's almost like
maybe she's not possessed way, But how many demons are there,
like in existence in general, like thousands? Oh wow, oh oh,
I don't know. I'm just saying, oh, you're guessing. I'm guessing.
I think so, though I think that there's a lot.
I think you're right. The limit does not exist. Friar
better than Toro blamed it on mischievous demons who made
them think they had left but remained in Maria's body.
I guess that makes sense, Like there's not thirty six
de minuts, it's the same demons that just pretend to
leave and then don't or something that. Yeah, then rather
than thirty six actual demons. Yeah. The desperate religious leaders
then it dragged Maria to a church where they believe
they'd finally be able to rid her of the demons.
I thought she was at a church this whole time.
I guess, yeah, me too. I thought she's interested their church.
I guess maybe she was like in their office or something.
I don't know. Yeah, but that didn't work either, So
they took Madyat back to her home, where the exorcisms
didn't slow down, and the priests took turns conducting exorcisms
and taking care of Maria. At one point, the priests
claimed to have exercise at least eighty demons for Maria's body.
They're ramping this number up. Wow, yeah, we went thirty
six Yeah right, yeah, one a day to thirty six
to eighty. Interesting. The situation turned even darker when the
priest decided to use corporal punishment to get rid of
the demons. I knew it was heading here. It always
does with the Spanish inquisition and exorcisms in general. Yeah.
They began to slap Maria and tie her arms and
legs up. This backfired, and in response, Madia would get
more aggressive. I mean, who wouldn't, right right. The Dominicans
then switched it up and tried to use flattery to
win Media's trust and trick the demons inside her. I
like this a little better, more compassionate they gave Madia money, fabrics,
and jewelry, and in return, the demons began to use
the priest answers and identifying who they were, which is
what they need their love language. If love languages were
like real, not made up by some straight Christian man
that only applied to Christians, it would be gift giving
or gift receiving, right, and so yeah, I mean they
needed the names of the real demons or the actual
demons to successfully perform your extracism. So all they wanted
was the little gifts. They just needed a little love,
you know. Okay, So do you want to guess who
the demons were? No, I can't remember any other demon's name.
I was gonna guess it wrong. Okay, it's fine. The
demons identified themselves as bas Martin and Lupillo Martin and
lay Barrabas. I get. But wow, yeah, yeah, Barrabas is
a very demonic type name. Like it sounds like yeah, yeah,
what's the other very famous sozo I think is another
one people mentioned a lot you always said, right, that's
only the other one I can think? Yeah, Martin and Lupillo,
like so random. Something is not like the others. For real.
Barrabas told the priests that he was the leader of
the demons. That makes sense to me, prince among them,
who was telling the demons what to do and how
to act, A real leader, if you will. Yeah, and
they need a leader, right. Barrabas told the priest that
Maria had not been harmed and she was only suffering
pain when the priests tried to exercise her. Wow, imagine
like the ones hurting her, not us. We're just chilling
in her body. That's it. We're not doing anything wrong.
She's actually more hurt when you try to exercise us.
So just leave us bee in her body to stop it.
She gave us consent to be there. I don't know
if they did. I know she did, actually I don't
know at well, well, maybe she did it with the pact,
because yeah, she agreed to the Devil's whatever deal. Yeah, okay.
According to the demons, Maria was randomly laughing because the
demons were entertaining, seducing her and giving her gifts. What
kind of gifts were they giving her? Actually that sounds
kind of nice, does not the gifts of entertainment introduction?
You're right, you're right. Later on, during another exorcism, Maria
saw a bright light followed by the angel San Gabriel,
the messenger of La Virchin, who with an arrow killed
eight thousand demons. There's eight thousand demons out there. Wow.
Yeah wow. This became a trend, and for the next
several days, mariac claimed that San Gabriel is stopped by
her room and continued to rid her body of the spirits. Okay, well,
he's doing his job. Yeah. As the day's passed, Maria's
tone change and she told the priest she was no
longer in communication with the devil, but was now receiving
messages from the angels and saints. Verty supernatural, that's what
I can think of. Very supernatural. Oh my god, she
told the priest. Angels have told her she was chosen
by God, which convinced the religious leaders. They are now
in the presence. They were now in the presence of
something holy. They believed her. What if it's a demon's
joking though it probably is. Yeah, they're dumb. Next, Maria
told the priest she had received it buying a message
which said Jesus considered her one of his wives. This
is why religious. Yes, I'm like, this is when red
flags should have been raising for them, Right, Jesus didn't
have wives. Yeah, the demons inside her are like this,
my god. Maria told the priests that the angels and
saints called upon them to bring her gifts to please God,
who wanted to charm Maria. Doesn't sound right, This all
sounds very wrong. According to Maria, she accepted jesus offer,
and eventually she had a vision where they were married
and several saints and biblical figures attended the ceremony. I'm
not sure. I'm not convinced neither. This excited the priest,
who was looking forward to having a closer connection to
God via Maria. This is why they were fooled. They
weren't being who they're supposed to be. They had an
agenda to get closer to God. Yeah, which I guess
makes sense, But this is like a The difference is
obviously the greedy way to go about it, and it's
not real right. But for some reason, Maria told the
priest that even though she was married to Jesus, she
still had demons inside her and began to instruct the
priests on how to conduct her exorcisms. Oh my god,
sometimes they a man needs a woman to tell them
how to do it, So I don't see how that
would not apply it to exorcisms. Maybe you're right. The
only positive about this turnative event is that the priests
were now documenting everything since they believed they were getting
instructions from a holy figure. So thank you before I
guess not. They were even more convinced when Maria said
God was using her to give the priests prophecies and
special powers. Sure know. Yeah. While the group of Dominicans
were following everything Maria was saying, the group of Jessoits
were skeptical of Maria's claims and decided to remove themselves
from the situation. Okay, just with They were like, no,
don't involve us anymore. This is getting weird to weird,
and things get even weirder and darker. Oh my god.
The holy Man that remained began to act less than
Holy Friar Luis Lopez and Friar better than Toro began
having an intimate relationship with Maria while continuing to perform
your face Sorr. Yet while continuing to perform exorcisms on Maria,
both eventually impregnating her. Oh both of them. Wow, No,
fuck them. That's disgusting. This is a woman with the
medical disorder of possession. She's being possessed by so many
spirits she cannot consented to them. Wow. No, I knew
it was going to go there, Like I just knew it. Yeah,
because when does it? Right? In between exorcisms, she continued
to give the Dominicans list of what she needed, which
included jewelry that, according to her, would help her feel better.
Honestly on her side about this, Yeah, yeah, I'm sure
she did talk about it. You need Maria Pisaro. In
July fifteen seventy one, Friar Gascon began to have second
thoughts about what he and other Friars were doing with Maria.
Now you're having second thoughts, okay. Many assumed that the
skepticism might have been triggered by the start of the
Peruvians Inquisition, which sought to punish anyone who wasn't following
the Catholic doctrine to a t still looking out for
themselves as always, Yeah, looking for guidance or for a
way to clear himself in case anyone accused him of
Anythina and Holy Friar Gascon he knew he was doing
something wrong. Friar Gascon sent a letter to the bishop
and an inquisitor explaining everything that had happened in the
last three years and named everyone who was involved. Switch
Switch three years right. The inquisitor launched an investigation, and
by October fifteen seventy one, the inquisitor told Friar Francisco
de la Cruz he was not allowed to get near Maria,
so the investigation was done. You know what would be like,
what I feel like happened here is that they weren't
even looking into them until they snitch on themselves, and
then they were like, let's investigate them. Oh I'm sure, yeah,
they got themselves caught up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Financisco. The
Lacruse did not listen and visited Maria to tell her
what to say and to not tell the investigators. Two
months later, investigators decided to arrest the Lacruse, the Toro Gascon,
and after speaking with the three, the investigators decided they
would also arrest Maria. Pedro De lasted three years in
jail before he died of illness. Alanto Gascon, on the
other hand, served more jail time and was tortured when
inquisitors felt his apology was not genuine. Okay, Friar Luis
Lopez was found guilty and sent back to Spain and
prohibited from receiving confessions from women. Okay, well, okay, that
sounds fair. Yeah. Francisco de la Cruz was handed the
worst punishment. He tried to defend himself and in the
process lost his mind and said he was a new
prophet sent to Earth to help spread Mariia's messages. Okay,
but what if it was true? Right about that? He
was sentenced to be tortured, and when he refused to
say he was wrong, he was burned alive. Maria, on
the other hand, collaborated with the investigators and told them
everything she went through was true. She told them she
couldn't remember anything that happened because when when she spoke
with the Devil and angels, she would go into a trance.
Therefore she couldn't be held accountable, which makes sense to me. Yeah,
of course. She was sentenced on June first, fifteen seventy three,
after admitting to having a relationship with the devil. Wow,
who else can say that? You know? No, right, everyone
else who danced with him, they just danced with him.
They didn't have a relationship, but you know, you know
that was her writer die Wow or his writer Die
I'm not sure. Was she the writer or die I'm
not sure. So yeah, it doesn't matter, that doesn't matter.
The Church took all of Maria's belongings. She was sentenced
to Gel, where throughout the following years she expressed regret.
She died inside Agel in December fifteen seventy three, at
the age of twenty three. Young. Wow, that was wild.
That was wild too many all the way, And you
know what, I think she was wrongfully imprisoned here. I agree, no,
but really in a like serious manner. The Spanish inquisition
was just like one a way to you know, control
right people obviously, but also like people that ended up
like stuff. In the most was like she was probably
not really possessed, right, and she was probably just you know, yeah,
going through it mentally, and then she's accused of all
these things, and then then she had to get advantage of, yes,
and then during all those things she's taken advantage of
So yeah, of course she's not going to come out
get to go after this looking at her making her
look more possessed. Yeah, so yeah, but man, that was
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