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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from Studio A here at proven winners, Color Joy Shrubs.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy Hervella, Me,

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<v Speaker 1>Rick Weist, and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well

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<v Speaker 1>today it's our just do It show. That's right, Just

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<v Speaker 1>do it suggestions of things you should do in your

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<v Speaker 1>garden or landscape. And I guess I'll say right off

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<v Speaker 1>the top. Subscribe to the Gardening Simplified Show podcast and

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube channel. And thanks for listening to the radio show

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<v Speaker 1>version of the show. Here's one for you. Stacy, use

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<v Speaker 1>mulch and groundcover under trees instead of grass. I was

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<v Speaker 1>looking at a Purdue University study about how much water

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<v Speaker 1>a large mature tree pulls out of the ground on

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<v Speaker 1>a daily basis in summer. Amazing. So trying to grow

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<v Speaker 1>grass under trees isn't good for the grass, isn't good

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<v Speaker 1>for the tree, and isn't good for you. It can

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<v Speaker 1>be frustrating.

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<v Speaker 2>And your lawnmoweruse you got all those surface roots that

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<v Speaker 2>you're trying to go over and you're nicking it, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's not good for the blade. It's a lose lose situation.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually had a someone asked me the other day

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<v Speaker 2>what they should do because they had tree roots in

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of shade, which is already a combination for

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<v Speaker 2>you know, difficult to grow grass, but it had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of traffic, and I sold her to just put

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<v Speaker 2>in a path of rocks and you know, like stepping

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<v Speaker 2>stones or something like that. It's it's a tough situation,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, definitely mulch parklike or groundcover if you can

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<v Speaker 2>put it. If you can, you know, plant them with

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<v Speaker 2>the tree roots, because sometimes the tree roots are so

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<v Speaker 2>surface heavy and so dominant that it's very difficult. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's a challenging situation. On the bright side, you have

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<v Speaker 2>a mature tree.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, so put mulch underneath it. It's healthier for the tree.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to grow grass right up to the

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<v Speaker 1>trunk damage it with lawn equipment. There's one there's a

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<v Speaker 1>difference in genetics of proven Winner's annuals compared to other,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say, non branded annuals grown in flats from seed.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a big difference. And when I'm working in the

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<v Speaker 1>greenhouse at this time of the year, I always tell

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<v Speaker 1>people Supertunias Salvia's verbena. Stacey just do it because there

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<v Speaker 1>is a big difference for me working in the garden

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<v Speaker 1>center industry, the typical garden center weekend customer. We like

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<v Speaker 1>to think that they're thinking about the new cultivars that

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<v Speaker 1>are out there and the various cultivars that they can

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<v Speaker 1>choose from. The reality is what's on their mind, and

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<v Speaker 1>when they verbalize it is one, will the deer eat it? Two?

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<v Speaker 1>How much is it? Three? Where's the restroom number? Four?

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<v Speaker 1>How late are you open?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? No, it's your people are always I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>most people are very overwhelmed at the garden center and

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<v Speaker 2>they just want simple answers. You know. I do think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, having grown them and grown the knockoffs at

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<v Speaker 2>times when I couldn't find the proven winners that I wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>And a great example for any garden center who's listening,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't find Vermillionaire kufia anywhere this year. Yeah, my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite proven winner's plant far superior to the similar varieties

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<v Speaker 2>of kufia that one garden center was selling, just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a generic. And I've grown that one for years

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not as good as Vermillionaire because it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have the investment in R and D. It's still a

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<v Speaker 2>good plant and by all means grow it. But know

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<v Speaker 2>that that extra cost with the proven winners has gone

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<v Speaker 2>into the R and D to make sure that you

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<v Speaker 2>have a better experience, that your plants last longer, bloom longer,

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<v Speaker 2>are lower maintenance. So it really is worth it, and

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<v Speaker 2>especially if you're not a confident gardener, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a no brainer.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, and you're so right. The R and

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<v Speaker 1>D behind these plants is what helps sure success in

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<v Speaker 1>your landscape. Assess the amount of time you're willing to

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<v Speaker 1>invest in caring for your garden. Choose plants and designs

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<v Speaker 1>that match your maintenance capabilities.

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<v Speaker 2>Makes sense, Well, yes it does, except that your maintenance

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<v Speaker 2>capabilities largely depend on your plant selection capabilities. Because if

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<v Speaker 2>you're picking the right plants for your area, for your conditions,

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<v Speaker 2>sure they're generally pretty low maintenance. You know, some things

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<v Speaker 2>like you might say, oh, you know, Rosa Sharin for example,

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<v Speaker 2>drops a bunch of flowers, you know, after they're done,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe that to you is maintenance. Personally, I just

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<v Speaker 2>leave them there to dry out and blow away. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>really lose any sleepover it. But some people they like

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<v Speaker 2>to keep a very tidy you know area and not

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<v Speaker 2>have all of those around. So to them, rosa share

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<v Speaker 2>might be a high maintenance plant, but it's all in

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<v Speaker 2>citing it properly. And I guess having reasonable expectations of

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<v Speaker 2>what you think is maintenance, because I'll tell you I

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<v Speaker 2>can let a lot of stuff slide in favor of

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<v Speaker 2>other garden tasks. That's just me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true. Here's one for you. Just do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Get to know what the plant's habitat or native habitat

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<v Speaker 1>is like. Now, I'm not talking about identifying what country

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<v Speaker 1>or what state or what area of the country a

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<v Speaker 1>plant comes from, not the geographical place. I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the habitat. I have often said this to people trying

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<v Speaker 1>to grow houseplants indoors. You have the dry air, indoors,

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<v Speaker 1>lack of light. Let's think about where this plant comes

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<v Speaker 1>from and what it likes. I'll throw a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>quick examples out there. We've received comments from viewers and

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<v Speaker 1>listeners about river birch. The tree likes to grow along

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<v Speaker 1>stream beds or river beds, and you put it out

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of a yard grow grass right up

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<v Speaker 1>to the base. You may struggle with that plant or

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<v Speaker 1>another example I remember years ago, let's say early nineteen nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>in the garden center industry, Fraser fur became a super

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<v Speaker 1>popular Christmas tree. Yep, fragrant needle retention straight. Only about

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<v Speaker 1>three percent of the trees being grown, let's say in

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<v Speaker 1>our state here, Michigan, were Fraser furs. Now, these are

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<v Speaker 1>trees that like the if you think about the Appalachian Mountains,

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<v Speaker 1>you think Tennessee, North Carolina, humidity, some fog, moisture upper

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<v Speaker 1>levels of the mountains, plenty of rainfall, especially in summer,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say, and you put that out in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of Michigan with a hot summer, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to grow. Growers had to adjust. Now Fraser fur,

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<v Speaker 1>many of them are grown in Michigan for the Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>tree industry. The point is understanding what the habitat or

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<v Speaker 1>environment of a plant is in order to better grow

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<v Speaker 1>at yourself in your yard.

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<v Speaker 2>It gives you so much information. And I think this

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<v Speaker 2>is especially useful if there's a plant that you love

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<v Speaker 2>and it keeps dying and you keep trying to grow it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, spend that extra time to look where it's from.

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<v Speaker 2>Not just again you know, you could say okay, you

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<v Speaker 2>know Fraser firs from Tennessee. Well, Tennessee actually has quite

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<v Speaker 2>a diversity of climate, so you need to know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what is it like where this plant grows native? So

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<v Speaker 2>it's not so much about oh it's native to Tennessee

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<v Speaker 2>there for whatever. In Michigan, you have to understand the humidity,

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<v Speaker 2>the temperature extremes, how long the winter lasts, how long

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<v Speaker 2>the summer lasts. And there's a lot of things that

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<v Speaker 2>I think you can use your imagination to extrapolate from

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<v Speaker 2>a little deep dive into that kind of information.

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<v Speaker 1>You bet you, Okay, Stacey, just do it. Find ways

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<v Speaker 1>to make watering easier in your landscape. You're going to

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<v Speaker 1>have more fun and your plants are going to appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>And for our podcast and radio listeners and for our

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube viewers, I'm practice seeing what I preach because you

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<v Speaker 1>convinced me to get a hose link hose and I

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<v Speaker 1>did it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh nice. Well, you know what, I will take that

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<v Speaker 2>concept one step further and say that whatever your least

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<v Speaker 2>favorite garden shore to do is invest in making it easier. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so it is for me watering as well. Fortunately, my

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<v Speaker 2>husband likes to water, so I'm winning there. But even

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<v Speaker 2>just having a hose reel made a huge difference, because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, dealing with hoses is not fun. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I love weating, but I still like to save weeding

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<v Speaker 2>for when it has just rained, so I'm not working

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<v Speaker 2>so hard at it. You know, good weather, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be out there in the blazing sun. Any

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<v Speaker 2>job you dislike. Look for invest in tools, think about

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<v Speaker 2>ways that it can be easier and a little less

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<v Speaker 2>you know, punishing feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, just do it. If you want to have some

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<v Speaker 1>turf area in your landscape, and that's fine, and that's great,

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<v Speaker 1>raise the deck on the lawn mower, sharpen the blade,

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<v Speaker 1>raise the deck, more leaf surface area, if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to use less inputs, chemicals, that sort of thing. Raise

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<v Speaker 1>the deck as high as you dare go on your

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<v Speaker 1>turf and it's going to make a world of difference.

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<v Speaker 1>Just do it. Be out there gardening in the fall,

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<v Speaker 1>not just spring. Yeah, we'd control putting plants in the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>caring for plants. I think it's so super important. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>one of these people who thinks the garden center should

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<v Speaker 1>be as busy in the fall as they are in

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<v Speaker 1>the spring. But that's not the case. Everybody's watching football.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they're a little busy in the mom section, but

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<v Speaker 2>outside of the mom section, there's a lot of good

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<v Speaker 2>use to be had out there that people are just

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<v Speaker 2>not even bothering to explore because they don't think it's

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<v Speaker 2>planting time.

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<v Speaker 1>We have so much more coming up for you in

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<v Speaker 1>segment four. Just do it. Let me give you this

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<v Speaker 1>week's limb a rick things to do. They're legit, I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm no hypocrite. Experience is a cruel teacher. Not that

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<v Speaker 1>I want to feature mistakes. I don't want to admit.

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<v Speaker 1>So come on, just do it. There's nothing really to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Some plants I have killed, which in turn made me

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<v Speaker 1>skilled embarrassment. I outgrew it.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll take a quick break on the other side, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>find out what Stacey has to say in this week's

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where we are

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<v Speaker 2>talking about what you should do just do it in

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<v Speaker 2>the garden. And we have not mentioned that this is

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<v Speaker 2>a part one of two show because next week we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to to be talking just don't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't do it. So Stacy's favorite phrase, I mean, I hope.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't come across as too negative, but that's like

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<v Speaker 2>my general one, you know, one takeaway for gardening when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to plant maintenance, pruning, especially when in doubt,

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<v Speaker 2>just don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a bunch of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh all right, I can't wait. So next week we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking just don't do it, but this week we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>just do it. So we're talking about the things that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe people hold back on doing in their garden, or

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<v Speaker 2>they're not sure if it's a good idea, or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's just there's a lot of trepidation out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So for example, as long as we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>programming notes, the following week, we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some people, for example, feed the deer in your neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 2>see it all the time. Me crazy, But what can

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<v Speaker 2>you do? You would think that they were well fed

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<v Speaker 2>enough on my garden, but apparently not in any case.

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<v Speaker 2>So all of today we're Dohl. In this episode, we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about things that you should do. And so when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to plants on trial, I mean, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>the whole notion of plants on trial is that you

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<v Speaker 2>should plant them if they work for your situation. So

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<v Speaker 2>how would I pick just one? So instead I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to share a tale of personal experience and some plants

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<v Speaker 2>suggestions on something that you should just do, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is plant a hedge.

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<v Speaker 1>So this will be edal.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you may not need a hedge, in which case,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, don't plant a hedge. But if you move

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<v Speaker 2>all of the crazy development, you can get maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>as nicely as the previous one, and you suddenly want

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<v Speaker 2>to block out that view. I mean there's all sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of reasons why someone may need a hedge, but this

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<v Speaker 2>is specifically for people who are moving into new homes,

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<v Speaker 2>new construction, a new to you home. And that is,

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<v Speaker 2>if you think that you are going to want a

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<v Speaker 2>hedge at this house, do it sooner than later. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm speaking from experience because when we moved into our house,

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<v Speaker 2>it was the first, our very first house we've ever purchased,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, didn't have a lot of experience. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>I had gardening experience, but I just didn't have this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like living in one place for a long

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<v Speaker 2>time experience. And in my neighborhood a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>have fences. So one side my yard was fenced. My

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<v Speaker 2>neighborhood put up a fence for his yard. Eventually, on

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<v Speaker 2>the other side, my neighbors put up a short fence

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<v Speaker 2>just enough to keep their dogs in, so not really

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<v Speaker 2>a privacy fence, but you know, delineates the space between

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<v Speaker 2>my yard and theirs and they can keep their dogs in.

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<v Speaker 2>But the back edge had nothing. And we knew when

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<v Speaker 2>we moved in that we were going to want something that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we were going to want some privacy from

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<v Speaker 2>there because it exposes us to actually three different neighbors

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<v Speaker 2>because of the way our block is built, and we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I should have been invested in a hedge fund.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we did eventually do it. But this is eight

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<v Speaker 2>years into living in our house. And by the time

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<v Speaker 2>you're planting that hedge that you should have planted eight

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<v Speaker 2>years prior, you're like, well, gee, if only I had

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<v Speaker 2>planted the hedge when I knew I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>need a ding dang hedge, then I would already have

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<v Speaker 2>it and I'd have the privacy. What could I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>a ding dang hedge? I got that from my colleague Natalie.

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<v Speaker 2>That's her uh. It's her little Yes, that's her little oath,

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<v Speaker 2>her little uh. Yeah, And it's a fun one to say.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of a hedge statement.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. So I wish that I would have just realized

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<v Speaker 2>that this would be such an important part of my yard,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I would have just done it early on,

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<v Speaker 2>because the earlier you plant this hedge right, the sooner

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to be able to get its benefits. Because

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<v Speaker 2>when you plant a hedge, it's typically shrubs, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>evergreens or deciduous and we'll get into some plant selection

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<v Speaker 2>ideas for hedging, but it takes time for them to grow,

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<v Speaker 2>and even if you're getting a fast growing hedge, you're

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<v Speaker 2>still looking at your standard. You know, first you got

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<v Speaker 2>to get through years one through three sleep creep leap.

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<v Speaker 2>So the first year it's just going to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>not do anything noticeable, just put roots down. Second year

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to creep grow a little tiny bit. By

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<v Speaker 2>the third year it's going to start leaping, but you're

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<v Speaker 2>not really going to get optimum growth rate until probably

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<v Speaker 2>year five, and you don't want to spend those five

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<v Speaker 1>Sure it's true the old Chinese proverb best time to

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<v Speaker 1>plant a tree was twenty years ago. Next best time.

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<v Speaker 2>Is today, right, So if you haven't already, not just

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<v Speaker 2>do it now like I did. But you know it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a real lesson for me because there are

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of things that looking back, and of course hindsight,

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<v Speaker 2>it's always twenty twenty I wish I would have done now.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Course, the trick when it comes to hedging is

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<v Speaker 2>what to pick for your hedge plant, and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people automatically, I think when they think of hedges,

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<v Speaker 2>they're thinking of evergreens. They're thinking most likely of arborviting,

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<v Speaker 2>which of course is out of the question for people

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<v Speaker 2>like you and I with deer juniper, which I did

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<v Speaker 2>end up going with because I wanted an evergreen hedge

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<v Speaker 2>and I needed something that was deer resistant. But you've

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<v Speaker 2>got you, You've got boxwood, you've got hemlock. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>in a warmer climate, you can plant a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>really cool broad leaf evergreen hedges like Photinia Camellia, rafaelepsis, raffaelepsis,

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<v Speaker 2>Japanese holly and get kind of the best of both worlds,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, flowers and that year round coverage. Now that

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to plant a deciduous hedge, a hedge

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to lose its foliage, this gives you the opportunity,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in a colder climate like this, to actually have

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<v Speaker 2>a flowering hedge. So what I think of when I

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<v Speaker 2>think of a deciduous hedge one of the most popular

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<v Speaker 2>hedging plants of all time limelight hydrangea, And what a

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<v Speaker 2>gorgeous hedge it makes. It is truly sunning. Now, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>the trade off here is that limelight Hydrangea is not

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<v Speaker 2>going to have any foliage in the winter. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you live in a cool climate, that might not

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<v Speaker 2>be that big of a deal because you're not outside anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>And it all goes back to determining what is the

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<v Speaker 1>purpose of the head. Now you go right and if

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<v Speaker 1>it's just to create a room a space for summer

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<v Speaker 1>when you're out there, Deciduous is great. If you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to block out the neighbor next door.

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<v Speaker 2>You need that evergreen type of hedge. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a number of options. So I think when you're

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about how you're going to plant this hedge, you

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<v Speaker 2>first of all need to think, what is it that

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<v Speaker 2>I want out of this hedge. Do I want the

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<v Speaker 2>fabulous limelight flowering hedge that looks amazing in you know,

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<v Speaker 2>July and August, but it's going to be kind of

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<v Speaker 2>bare and you know, maybe a little bit later to

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<v Speaker 2>leaf out in spring, so you have to consider that

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<v Speaker 2>spring cover as well. Or do you want to invest

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<v Speaker 2>in evergreen? Now, generally speaking, a lot of evergreens are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be more slow growing than a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>deciduous plants. Now, there are certainly some fast growing arborvid

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<v Speaker 2>like green giant, which will easily grow, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>almost four feet a year once it's established. But it

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<v Speaker 2>really lives up to the giant part of its name

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<v Speaker 2>in that it is taking up you know, a good

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<v Speaker 2>twelve to eighteen feet at the base, So that is

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<v Speaker 2>twelve to eighteen feet of your yard space that are

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<v Speaker 2>just being surrendered to this very fast growing evergreen.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to beautiful and deer resistant or more deep.

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<v Speaker 2>Somewhat deer resistant. Yeah, and so that's something you need.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you can't just go to the garden center

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<v Speaker 2>and say, okay, well here's an arborvity, it's cheap, it's

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<v Speaker 2>good for hedging. This is what I'm going to do,

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<v Speaker 2>because you do need to think about how is this

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<v Speaker 2>going to impact the overall space in the yard. Once

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<v Speaker 2>you've chosen your plants, figuring out the spacing is actually

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<v Speaker 2>very easy. You just look at the width that is

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<v Speaker 2>on the tag and if there is a range. I

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<v Speaker 2>always recommend going with a smaller range for a hedge,

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<v Speaker 2>especially if you live in a colder climate like this,

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<v Speaker 2>because they'll be closer together and they're gonna have a

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<v Speaker 2>shorter growing season, so they're not going to grow as

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<v Speaker 2>much during each year as they would in a warmer climate.

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<v Speaker 2>If you live in a warmer climate and or I

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<v Speaker 2>want to save a couple bucks, you can go with

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<v Speaker 2>a larger one, but just be aware that you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be waiting a lot longer for it to fill in,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not going to turn into a wall. Those

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<v Speaker 2>higher end estimates of width are actually going to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of just let the plants just touch, you know, so

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<v Speaker 2>you won't get that nice dense wall if that's what

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<v Speaker 2>you're going for. So you take that lower number, you

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<v Speaker 2>divide it in half. So let's say it's three feet,

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<v Speaker 2>and you take that one and a half feet that

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<v Speaker 2>you've divided it in half. You space your two end

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<v Speaker 2>shrubs either end one and a half feet from the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the bed one and a half feet in

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<v Speaker 2>from the edges of the bed on each sign. Then

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<v Speaker 2>you've got the middle pieces. You can me sure that

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<v Speaker 2>and see what you're dealing with. Now I will tell

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<v Speaker 2>you I kind of eyeball this part. I've been planning

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of hedges lately, so you know I know

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<v Speaker 2>this because you can't totally stick to the to the

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<v Speaker 2>spacing the math. Okay, okay, because it may not. Depending

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<v Speaker 2>on how much space you have, it may not work

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<v Speaker 2>out evenly. You can't plant half a shrub or a

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<v Speaker 2>quarter of a shrub. So I generally will go with

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<v Speaker 2>one extra plant position, one in the center, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I just kind of visually do the rest. I like

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<v Speaker 2>to plant hedges like I do most plants odd numbers

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<v Speaker 2>because that will give you kind of a more natural,

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<v Speaker 2>less formal looking hedge. I have a lot more tips

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<v Speaker 2>on planting hedges, but the main thing you need to

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<v Speaker 2>know about planting a hedge, if you're thinking about it,

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<v Speaker 2>just do it. All the information will be in our

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<v Speaker 2>show notes, along with a link to some proven Winter's

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<v Speaker 2>Color Choice shrubs that are perfect for hedging no matter

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<v Speaker 2>where you live. We're going to take a little break.

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<v Speaker 2>When we come back, we'll be opening up the garden

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<v Speaker 2>mail bag, so please stay tuned at proven Winner's Color

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<v Speaker 2>Greetings gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show.

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<v Speaker 2>While we were on break, Rick came up with a

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<v Speaker 2>very helpful tip that we wanted to share with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just going to suggest that if you want

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<v Speaker 1>a new hedge in your yard, you just go in

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<v Speaker 1>the backyard and you make it a habit of gardening naked.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually your neighbor will put the heads up.

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<v Speaker 2>For you, if they haven't called the police first.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a thought.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's something, some wise words from Wrick that you

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<v Speaker 2>can consider if you've been wanting aheadge but don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to invest the time, energy, over money in doing so.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we get into the mailbag in today's theme of

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<v Speaker 2>just do It, I wanted to share a book recommendation. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>not something we usually do, but I am really excited

417
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<v Speaker 2>about this. So the name may be familiar to Douglas Tallamy.

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<v Speaker 2>He is sort of the leader of the backyard environmentalism movement,

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<v Speaker 2>where you can actually use your garden and landscape and

420
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<v Speaker 2>yard to help conserve nature and wildlife, and his books

421
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<v Speaker 2>Bringing Nature Home and Nature's Best Hope have been best

422
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<v Speaker 2>sellers and gotten a lot of people into native plant gardening,

423
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<v Speaker 2>which is amazing. And he has a new book out

424
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<v Speaker 2>which I thought was perfect for just do It. It

425
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<v Speaker 2>is called how Can I Help Saving Nature with Your Yard?

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<v Speaker 2>And so I love that this is so action oriented

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<v Speaker 2>because he's a wonderful writer, very inspiring and definitely gives

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<v Speaker 2>a plan of action in his book. But I mean

429
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people, you know, it's it can be

430
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<v Speaker 2>hard to get started questions and answers about how you

431
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<v Speaker 2>can manage your yard and garden to better support wildlife.

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<v Speaker 2>And if there is one thing that I would say

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<v Speaker 2>just do it, it would be to you know, as

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<v Speaker 2>you continue to grow your gardening hobby or you know,

435
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<v Speaker 2>change things in your landscape that you do make choices

436
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<v Speaker 2>that are more supportive of wildlife, of insects, of birds,

437
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<v Speaker 2>whatever that plant choice may be, whether it's a shrub

438
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<v Speaker 2>or a perennial or a tree, that we make choices

439
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<v Speaker 2>that are about something beyond ourselves. And it's not a

440
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<v Speaker 2>sacrifice because a lot of those plants are every bit

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<v Speaker 2>as beautiful as whatever left to your mind.

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<v Speaker 1>First, Yeah, here here, I mean it's exciting when you're

443
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<v Speaker 1>working in the garden and hummingbirds are buzzing past you

444
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<v Speaker 1>and hear hear the birds, singing bees active on a plant.

445
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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing like it.

446
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<v Speaker 2>It's my absolute favorite thing. So just do it. Douglas

447
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<v Speaker 2>Telemy's new book, How can I help?

448
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<v Speaker 1>Great suggestion? Linus writes to us, I have a young

449
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<v Speaker 1>river birch tree that was planted in twenty twenty three.

450
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<v Speaker 1>I believe it's not doing well, lots of empty branches.

451
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<v Speaker 1>How would you approach this or is it too late?

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<v Speaker 1>And thank you well, thank you very mulch Linus for

453
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<v Speaker 1>your question. Yes, this is timely.

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<v Speaker 2>This is very timely. And Linus did send some pictures

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<v Speaker 2>so you can check those out on YouTube or in

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<v Speaker 2>our show notes. And I think we've got a twofold

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<v Speaker 2>problem here number one. And you mentioned river birch in

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<v Speaker 2>segment one when we're talking about you know how it

459
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<v Speaker 2>is native to a very different kind of environment than

460
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<v Speaker 2>our average front or backyards, especially out here where it's

461
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<v Speaker 2>so sandy. I have heard people say, respected horticulturists say

462
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<v Speaker 2>you cannot overwater. A river birch, now this may be

463
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<v Speaker 2>one of the very few plants that that is actually

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<v Speaker 2>true of. But the thing that you need to know

465
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<v Speaker 2>about them is they need a a ton of water.

466
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<v Speaker 2>And I have seen one on my street out here

467
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<v Speaker 2>that was installed when they were doing a bunch of

468
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<v Speaker 2>street tree planting and they put those water gators on it.

469
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<v Speaker 2>You can zip a couple of them together if you

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<v Speaker 2>have a multi stem, because most river birches are multi stemmed.

471
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<v Speaker 2>And I do want to clarify here if people aren't familiar,

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<v Speaker 2>So a river birch is not that classic white birch

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<v Speaker 2>that everybody loved and went crazy for in the seventies

474
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<v Speaker 2>and eighties. A river birch is much more tolerant of

475
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<v Speaker 2>some of the diseases and cultural conditions that make growing

476
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<v Speaker 2>paper birches difficult for a lot of us. It is

477
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<v Speaker 2>still a native birch.

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<v Speaker 1>Look for the botanical is it betula.

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<v Speaker 2>Nigra yep, yep. And it has peeling bark that is,

480
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<v Speaker 2>the older it gets, the more peeling it gets, and

481
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<v Speaker 2>has all these layers with different colors and orange and cream.

482
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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's a very cool plant. But so it's

483
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<v Speaker 2>becoming it's increasingly replacing paper birch because paper birch gets

484
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<v Speaker 2>very stressed in residential situations. As things have gotten hotter,

485
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<v Speaker 2>it's gotten stressed. It gets the bronze birch, and if

486
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<v Speaker 2>it gets that, that's pretty much the end of it.

487
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<v Speaker 2>Whereas river birch is, you know, doesn't have all of

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<v Speaker 2>these liabilities.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe heritage is the cultivar a.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. One of the Fox Valley is another one that's

491
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<v Speaker 2>very very popular. Yeah, but this one on my street

492
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<v Speaker 2>is looking very much like Linuses in that all the

493
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<v Speaker 2>branches are dying because once they took off those gators,

494
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<v Speaker 2>those tree gaters to water it, it just did not

495
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<v Speaker 2>get any water and immediately started to suffer because they

496
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<v Speaker 2>didn't have any irrigation.

497
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<v Speaker 1>So it is my neighbors and he planted it right

498
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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the yard, and I told him

499
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<v Speaker 1>to water it because it was suffering. Yeah, And he

500
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<v Speaker 1>put a hose on it and ran a sprinkler under

501
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<v Speaker 1>it for days on end and it recovered.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that's how serious it is. The Other thing about

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<v Speaker 2>Linus's tree though, and Linus, if a landscape company came

504
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<v Speaker 2>and planted this tree for you, I would definitely give

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<v Speaker 2>them a call because they did not plant this tree properly. So,

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<v Speaker 2>as you can see in the photos that Linus sent

507
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<v Speaker 2>this River birch, the bottom of the three trunk that

508
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<v Speaker 2>it has goes right into the ground like a phone

509
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<v Speaker 2>pole instead of flaring out gently like a tree ought to.

510
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<v Speaker 2>So this tree was also planted way too deeply. And

511
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<v Speaker 2>that's really a crucial thing because that area of the buttress,

512
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<v Speaker 2>that flared area at the base of the tree is

513
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<v Speaker 2>crucial for gas exchange, so it helps the tree exchange

514
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:25.240
<v Speaker 2>carbon dioxide and oxygen, very very key for its survival.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you did not plant this, I would definitely

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<v Speaker 2>call the landscape company that planted it and tell them

517
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<v Speaker 2>that they planted it too deeply, because I'm sure that

518
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<v Speaker 2>that is contributing to the unhappiness of your tree. If

519
00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:40.960
<v Speaker 2>you planted it and you can't do anything about it,

520
00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:43.640
<v Speaker 2>then what I would do is just clear away the

521
00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:45.960
<v Speaker 2>mulch as much as you can and do your best

522
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<v Speaker 2>to try to expose that buttress. So you're probably be

523
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<v Speaker 2>digging down quite a bit. You might encounter some adventitious

524
00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:54.880
<v Speaker 2>roots that it has put out into the mulch. Just

525
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:58.200
<v Speaker 2>keep going take that away. The sooner you can expose

526
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<v Speaker 2>that buttress to some good fresh air and get the

527
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:04.200
<v Speaker 2>plant some supplemental water. The sooner you will have a

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<v Speaker 2>healthy river birch and it will recover. Just needs a

529
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<v Speaker 2>little TLC.

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<v Speaker 1>Carol writes to us help. I had a terrible snail

531
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<v Speaker 1>infestation last year. It looks even worse now and summer

532
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:18.559
<v Speaker 1>hasn't even begun. I live on a small lake in

533
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<v Speaker 1>central New York Zone five now zone six. Bees snails

534
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:26.960
<v Speaker 1>are decimating everything from ligular area to hostas to my grasses.

535
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:29.880
<v Speaker 1>They even crawl up my wicker patio furniture.

536
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<v Speaker 2>Gross yikes.

537
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<v Speaker 1>I picked off one hundred morning and night. We have

538
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<v Speaker 1>had days and days of rain, so I haven't been

539
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<v Speaker 1>able to use slug bait or die Tamacious Earth yet.

540
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<v Speaker 1>But they weren't that effective last year. Perhaps I'm not

541
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<v Speaker 1>applying them correctly. I also read that cocoa shells deter snails,

542
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<v Speaker 1>so I've stopped. I've topped my containers with that, but

543
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:55.839
<v Speaker 1>it's very expensive. I try to use applications that won't

544
00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:59.119
<v Speaker 1>harm my pollinators. I'm desperate. I found you on YouTube

545
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:02.400
<v Speaker 1>a month ago. I've learned so much. I'm confident you

546
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:07.880
<v Speaker 1>will solve my dilemma. Ah, yes, Cara, you know I

547
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<v Speaker 1>want to mention right off the bat to Carol, right

548
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<v Speaker 1>off the top. A lot of people struggle with this.

549
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<v Speaker 1>You mention hostas in your note. First, take a look

550
00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:19.559
<v Speaker 1>at the mulch. If you have a lot of mulch

551
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:23.400
<v Speaker 1>under these plants. In some cases, pulling the mulch away

552
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:26.279
<v Speaker 1>from the neck of the plant let's say they're hostas,

553
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:29.440
<v Speaker 1>will make a world of difference because you got to

554
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<v Speaker 1>think about where the snails are hiding out cool wet places.

555
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<v Speaker 1>And then Stacy, just real briefly, I'd like to mention

556
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<v Speaker 1>that I've had success with roofing shingles.

557
00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:40.759
<v Speaker 2>That's what I was going to say too.

558
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, she mentioned diotamacous earth. But roofing shingles just

559
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.480
<v Speaker 1>strips of roofing shingles. You can get them a similar

560
00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:52.839
<v Speaker 1>color to the soil, so they're not ugly and they work.

561
00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:55.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So basically all you have to do is take

562
00:29:55.359 --> 00:29:58.279
<v Speaker 2>a roofing shingle. Another thing that works very very well

563
00:29:58.400 --> 00:30:00.480
<v Speaker 2>is like a cedar shake if you have if you

564
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<v Speaker 2>live in an area where they put in a lot

565
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<v Speaker 2>of cedar shape roofs so we're talking about, you know,

566
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<v Speaker 2>maybe at twelve by twelve ish piece of rough material,

567
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:10.519
<v Speaker 2>whether that's wood. You don't want it to be smooth.

568
00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:15.480
<v Speaker 2>You wanted to have some crustiness on there that that

569
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<v Speaker 2>can attract the slugs. You put that down at night,

570
00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:22.000
<v Speaker 2>you come out in the morning, you just scrape off

571
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:24.359
<v Speaker 2>all the slugs because they're gonna come up under there

572
00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:28.279
<v Speaker 2>for shelter. That's what they really really love. They actually

573
00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:32.920
<v Speaker 2>will prefer to spend the day on that over anywhere else,

574
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:34.640
<v Speaker 2>So that will help you kind of get them all

575
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:38.720
<v Speaker 2>in one place rather than pick them off one by one.

576
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:41.480
<v Speaker 2>And you can also, of course try the time the

577
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:45.599
<v Speaker 2>tried and true beer trap, which is just to say

578
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.039
<v Speaker 2>you take like a tunicn or a small kind of

579
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:50.640
<v Speaker 2>shallow dish like that, bury it even with the soil,

580
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:54.519
<v Speaker 2>put some beer in there and then or flour and

581
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:57.079
<v Speaker 2>water can also work because they layer was it yeast

582
00:30:57.160 --> 00:30:59.480
<v Speaker 2>in water? We talked about this on the show recently.

583
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Suggest Carol, just drink the beer forget them.

584
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<v Speaker 2>Well, they only need a little bit, so you put

585
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:06.720
<v Speaker 2>a little bit for the slug, a little bit for yourself.

586
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Right, and then crawl in there lose their car keys.

587
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:11.440
<v Speaker 2>And die, yes, and they drown in there, and you

588
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:13.720
<v Speaker 2>can also just dump that out, so you can also

589
00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:16.480
<v Speaker 2>do both. But I do want to tell you another trick,

590
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:18.400
<v Speaker 2>and it's a little bit too late for this, but

591
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:22.319
<v Speaker 2>I've shared this before. The best time to manage slugs

592
00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:27.599
<v Speaker 2>is in late winter. That is when their eggs hatch

593
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:30.799
<v Speaker 2>and the little baby slugs are coming out. And if

594
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.920
<v Speaker 2>you can control those baby slugs, they will not be

595
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:36.079
<v Speaker 2>able to get the foothold that they will otherwise. But

596
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:39.400
<v Speaker 2>of course, you know, in upstate New York, I would

597
00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:42.559
<v Speaker 2>think that this is probably we're looking at, like late February,

598
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:44.319
<v Speaker 2>not a time, you know, if there's no when the

599
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:47.240
<v Speaker 2>snow melts, that is basically when those eggs are going

600
00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:50.759
<v Speaker 2>to start to hatch. So it's not the time when

601
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:52.720
<v Speaker 2>people think about doing this kind of thing, so they

602
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:56.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of miss that opportunity. So Carol, put a reminder

603
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<v Speaker 2>in your calendar so that next late February you get

604
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:03.200
<v Speaker 2>some slug bait. Don't have to worry about the pollinators

605
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:05.319
<v Speaker 2>because they won't be around. Nothing's going they be around

606
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:07.359
<v Speaker 2>for another at least you know, six weeks or so,

607
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:09.720
<v Speaker 2>except those slugs, and that will help you get the

608
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:13.880
<v Speaker 2>control that makes the population much more manageable later in

609
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:14.359
<v Speaker 2>the season.

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<v Speaker 1>Right about now, Good luck with your slug fast Carol.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you so much to Linus and Carol for

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<v Speaker 2>their questions. If you want to reach out to us,

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<v Speaker 2>you can do that at Gardeningsimplified on air dot com,

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<v Speaker 1>we continue our talk about just do it, Stacey, just

625
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:13.200
<v Speaker 1>do it debatable. I feed my plants in fall when

626
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:16.960
<v Speaker 1>the leaves are falling off deciduous plants. The roots can

627
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:20.359
<v Speaker 1>absorb the soil's warm enough, they can absorb nutrients. They

628
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.000
<v Speaker 1>get off to a much better start the following spring,

629
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:28.960
<v Speaker 1>I may overfeed, but I like to feed plants in fall.

630
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Just do it. Get yourself comfortable clothes for your landscape

631
00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:37.119
<v Speaker 1>or your garden working out there. It makes a world

632
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:37.960
<v Speaker 1>of difference.

633
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:40.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh and a hat. Hat is so important. I cannot

634
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:43.000
<v Speaker 2>even tell you, fellow gardeners, if you are not a

635
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:47.559
<v Speaker 2>hat where the future self that will thank you for

636
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:49.799
<v Speaker 2>wearing a hat because we get a lot of sun exposure.

637
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:53.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm super careful about it. I wear sunscreen

638
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:56.000
<v Speaker 2>and a hat and gotta slather all up. And yes,

639
00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:58.000
<v Speaker 2>I know the dirt sticks to you and that's not fun,

640
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:01.319
<v Speaker 2>but also probably skin cancer isn't for fun, so I'm

641
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:03.839
<v Speaker 2>not going to risk it. So definitely invest in a hat.

642
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:07.160
<v Speaker 2>A hat would be my Just do it. And if

643
00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:08.840
<v Speaker 2>you think, oh I don't like a hat, it'll be

644
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:11.639
<v Speaker 2>in my way. Just go shopping for a hat and

645
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:13.360
<v Speaker 2>find a hat that you love, and then you'll be

646
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:14.519
<v Speaker 2>excited about wearing it.

647
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:18.960
<v Speaker 1>That's true. Yeah, and I'm getting better about the sunscreen stuff.

648
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:22.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean again, when we did the Garden Nostalgia Show,

649
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:24.039
<v Speaker 1>we talked about the fact, you know, I was a

650
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:27.440
<v Speaker 1>teenager in the seventies when we would slather on baby

651
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:30.320
<v Speaker 1>oil and lay out on you know, a launch I mean,

652
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:31.159
<v Speaker 1>really dumb.

653
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, why, I was a teenager in the nineties and

654
00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:34.239
<v Speaker 2>I did that.

655
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:39.199
<v Speaker 1>So I asked a friend of mine I work with

656
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:43.960
<v Speaker 1>she bought a house three years ago, and I said, okay,

657
00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:48.719
<v Speaker 1>what's something everyone should do in their landscape? She said, oh,

658
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:52.199
<v Speaker 1>take the time to amend your soil. Work the soil.

659
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:55.679
<v Speaker 1>I said, what should you not do? She said, don't

660
00:34:55.719 --> 00:35:00.599
<v Speaker 1>plant and then said a naughty word, stuff that spreads. Mmmmm,

661
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:05.280
<v Speaker 1>Now I asked, I asked Sue this question. She said,

662
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:09.719
<v Speaker 1>grow edibles in your landscape and cut flowers in your landscape.

663
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Just do it. I said, well, then, what shouldn't you do?

664
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:17.760
<v Speaker 1>And she said don't plant prickly plants by the driveway

665
00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:21.880
<v Speaker 1>or the walkway. So there you have that. You want

666
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:23.079
<v Speaker 1>to do a little speed round.

667
00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so we're going to do a speed round. We're

668
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:26.760
<v Speaker 2>going to do a just do it speed round. So

669
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:30.159
<v Speaker 2>I have a list of various things in the garden,

670
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:34.519
<v Speaker 2>and we're going to without too much forethought or explanation,

671
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:36.960
<v Speaker 2>though of course a little bit will most likely be necessary,

672
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:42.119
<v Speaker 2>share our thoughts. So speed round start. Now, Rick, what

673
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.760
<v Speaker 2>is your just do it pruning tip or task.

674
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Prune right after plants are done flowering. That's the time

675
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:53.000
<v Speaker 1>to prune. So if you have a lilac, don't be

676
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:55.719
<v Speaker 1>afraid to prune and prune right after they're done blooming.

677
00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:58.960
<v Speaker 2>I think my just do it for pruning is going

678
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:04.599
<v Speaker 2>to be don't hesitate to take out tree branches, especially

679
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:07.639
<v Speaker 2>small young trees that you've recently purchased, to give it

680
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:10.800
<v Speaker 2>the shape and habit that you want. Tree pruning is

681
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:13.400
<v Speaker 2>a little bit different than shrub pruning, but it is

682
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:16.559
<v Speaker 2>better to make your cuts when those branches are smaller

683
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:19.559
<v Speaker 2>and younger than when they get bigger. Not only will

684
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:21.800
<v Speaker 2>the tree heal faster, but you won't need a chainsaw.

685
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:23.760
<v Speaker 1>You're here all right.

686
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:28.079
<v Speaker 2>Next one, what's your just do it? Go to tree

687
00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:28.679
<v Speaker 2>to plant?

688
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Definitely, Boy, that's a tough one. It's a tie between

689
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:36.320
<v Speaker 1>juneberry and paper bark maple.

690
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, juneberry is a can't miss for sure. That is

691
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:43.159
<v Speaker 2>a great choice. I'm gonna go with joonberry too. Service

692
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:45.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm a link here. It is like that. What's the

693
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:47.840
<v Speaker 2>perfect four season place? Yes, if you don't have deer

694
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:49.599
<v Speaker 2>because they do eat it. So that's why I have

695
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:54.360
<v Speaker 2>not just done it myself. Just do it shrub to plant.

696
00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:59.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm going I've got to say panicled hydrangers. I can't

697
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:03.079
<v Speaker 1>help it. I can't think of a better easier to

698
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:06.039
<v Speaker 1>grow shrub in the landscape that is so beautiful.

699
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:08.239
<v Speaker 2>Mine is going to be for those who can grow it. It

700
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:11.519
<v Speaker 2>does have a slightly limited heat tolerance range. Lemony lace

701
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:14.280
<v Speaker 2>elderberry nice. That is a plant that I have completely

702
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:16.920
<v Speaker 2>fallen in love with in my garden. It is stunning.

703
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:19.599
<v Speaker 2>What about a perennial, Just do it perennial.

704
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:24.719
<v Speaker 1>For a just do it perennial. I'm going to say it.

705
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:26.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say baptis You I.

706
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:28.159
<v Speaker 2>Will hold you to this. I mean, I know there's

707
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:30.480
<v Speaker 2>multiple you know, answers to all of these.

708
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:31.800
<v Speaker 1>You go to say Baptisia.

709
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:35.320
<v Speaker 2>It just is Yeah, that's definitely a great choice. This

710
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:38.599
<v Speaker 2>is a tougher one for me because a lot of

711
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:41.400
<v Speaker 2>the plants that I like the most I don't think

712
00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:43.079
<v Speaker 2>other people would like. Like if I said, might just

713
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:44.760
<v Speaker 2>do it is to plant Sophia. I'm like we talked

714
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:47.199
<v Speaker 2>about in the Big Plants episode. I think a lot

715
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:49.079
<v Speaker 2>of people would be like, that thing is way too

716
00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:52.360
<v Speaker 2>big and spreads way too much. My just do it,

717
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:54.199
<v Speaker 2>I guess will then be milkweed.

718
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Nice. Okay, well if you get to then then I'm

719
00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:58.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna throw ornamental grasses.

720
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:02.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, of course myses makes sense and peptisia's fabulous,

721
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:04.079
<v Speaker 2>but you know I will. I'll give you that. The

722
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:07.199
<v Speaker 2>ornamental grasses are going to give you probably a little

723
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:08.559
<v Speaker 2>bit longer of a season of interest.

724
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and the bet you're resistant. And don't get

725
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:13.360
<v Speaker 1>me started on ornamental grasses, per seed.

726
00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:17.559
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't believe that Carol's slugs were even eating our grasses.

727
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:21.119
<v Speaker 2>Grasses are not typically something that slugs are a problem on.

728
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:22.840
<v Speaker 2>So that's when I knew that we had to help Carol.

729
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:26.039
<v Speaker 2>If for slug infestation was that bad, I felt like

730
00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:29.800
<v Speaker 2>we really needed to throw or a line there. Just

731
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:34.760
<v Speaker 2>do it thing for birds task or tip or whatever.

732
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Thing for birds. Boy, I'm gonna say, I'm going to

733
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:46.159
<v Speaker 1>say anything that is hummingbird related. And for me again,

734
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:52.480
<v Speaker 1>it's the rockin Salvia series, proven winners. Rockin Salvia because

735
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:56.079
<v Speaker 1>the humming birds. They're covered in hummingbirds in summer.

736
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I love rock and deep purple. I love

737
00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:00.000
<v Speaker 2>that dark purple color. So that's when I'm growing this year,

738
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:02.559
<v Speaker 2>my just do it for birds in the garden is

739
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:05.559
<v Speaker 2>going to be have a bird bath. Oh you know,

740
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:08.119
<v Speaker 2>it's a simple thing. Now, I will say for those

741
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:10.519
<v Speaker 2>of you who are buying a bird bath in response

742
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:13.440
<v Speaker 2>to this, a lot of the newer bird baths are

743
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:17.719
<v Speaker 2>not very bird friendly. They are very deep, and so

744
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:19.679
<v Speaker 2>the birds will come and perch on the rim and

745
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:21.679
<v Speaker 2>drink from it, but they are not going to get

746
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:24.079
<v Speaker 2>in there because it is not safe. And I have

747
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:26.840
<v Speaker 2>a deep one like this, and I've tried to fix

748
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:28.679
<v Speaker 2>it with rocks and making it a little shallower. It

749
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.280
<v Speaker 2>doesn't work. So I have a beautiful old fashioned one

750
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:34.920
<v Speaker 2>with a more shallow concrete bowl. The birds are constantly

751
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:36.599
<v Speaker 2>bathing in it, and it's so much fun to watch.

752
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:39.159
<v Speaker 1>You know. What makes this really hard is that I

753
00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:43.079
<v Speaker 1>would say, just do it. Have diversity in your Landsln's

754
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:46.000
<v Speaker 1>it's more entertaining for you. If a problem crops up,

755
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:49.480
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't spread like wildfire. That's what makes this speed

756
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:50.480
<v Speaker 1>round thing tough.

757
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:52.760
<v Speaker 2>You know. I saw an article the other day where

758
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:56.199
<v Speaker 2>it was like, you know, five things a professional landscape

759
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:59.440
<v Speaker 2>designer says you should never do. When it was all okay, whatever,

760
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:03.960
<v Speaker 2>and one of them was don't plant too many plant species,

761
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:07.920
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, you want to fight, yeah, because

762
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:12.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, yes, you can absolutely have a minimalist landscape

763
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:17.159
<v Speaker 2>with very few plant species. But why, I don't know,

764
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:17.880
<v Speaker 2>what would be the point?

765
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:20.679
<v Speaker 1>Be so boring you Carol and me will get in there,

766
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:21.960
<v Speaker 1>we'll have a slug fest.

767
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:26.239
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I've got I couldn't even count how many

768
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:28.519
<v Speaker 2>species I have. I would be very interested to know.

769
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:33.119
<v Speaker 2>But diversity is always just do it. I agree, diversify,

770
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:37.800
<v Speaker 2>just do it. Garden design feature.

771
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Most definitely planting in swaths or drifts as opposed to

772
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:50.119
<v Speaker 1>just sticking a single plant in the ground. I like

773
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:51.920
<v Speaker 1>swaths or.

774
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:55.199
<v Speaker 2>Drifts of yeah, odd numbers. It couldn't be any easier.

775
00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:57.239
<v Speaker 2>And that's the kind of thing that people don't realize

776
00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:00.360
<v Speaker 2>is such a good and simple back pocket planting tip.

777
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:03.199
<v Speaker 2>I know it's not just us trying to get you

778
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:06.400
<v Speaker 2>to buy more plants. It really is the best and

779
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:08.519
<v Speaker 2>easiest way to get a professional look. And if you

780
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:12.039
<v Speaker 2>look at professional landscapes no matter where you go around

781
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:13.639
<v Speaker 2>the country, that's what they usually do.

782
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:16.360
<v Speaker 1>It's because if you stick a single plant in the ground,

783
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:19.559
<v Speaker 1>sometimes it can look like it doesn't belong there but

784
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:20.960
<v Speaker 1>a swath or a drift.

785
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:25.800
<v Speaker 2>It's like, that's how nature grows. Yeah, it's seeds, And okay,

786
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:31.599
<v Speaker 2>my garden design feature or just do it would be

787
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:33.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean most of the things I've done, I wouldn't

788
00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:35.320
<v Speaker 2>recommend the other people.

789
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:36.920
<v Speaker 1>Throw spacing out the door.

790
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:41.079
<v Speaker 2>There you go. Spacing is a recommendation only. It's an

791
00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:45.920
<v Speaker 2>educated it's a departure point for your garden. But also

792
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:48.800
<v Speaker 2>do as I say, not as I do. What is

793
00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:52.960
<v Speaker 2>your just do it? All alarms on. Pull this weed

794
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:54.280
<v Speaker 2>right now.

795
00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:58.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say it is nuts edge.

796
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, definitely, I'm with you on that one. When

797
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:03.559
<v Speaker 2>I see nuts edge, I do you stop other weeds?

798
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:05.199
<v Speaker 2>I'll be like, I can get to that later. When

799
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:07.280
<v Speaker 2>I see that edge, I'm like, you're out right now.

800
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh. I helped the lady out the other day where

801
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:12.559
<v Speaker 1>I saw the start of horsetail in a landscape. So

802
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say nuts edge slash horse tip.

803
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you can't pull horseize.

804
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:17.119
<v Speaker 1>I know you can't.

805
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:21.639
<v Speaker 2>And if you are struggling with horsetail in your yard,

806
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:24.519
<v Speaker 2>that's probably an indication that something's going wrong with your

807
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:28.840
<v Speaker 2>sprinkler system or plumbing system or water system because they

808
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:30.760
<v Speaker 2>only grow in wet soils. So if you have an

809
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:33.960
<v Speaker 2>overly wet soil, you probably will get horsetail and you

810
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:36.199
<v Speaker 2>will not get rid of it until you make that

811
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:41.039
<v Speaker 2>soil dry and well drained. What is your just do

812
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:42.239
<v Speaker 2>it mowing tip?

813
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:44.679
<v Speaker 1>Raise the deck on the moor. It makes all the

814
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:48.119
<v Speaker 1>difference in the world. You want to cut back on fertilizer, chemicals,

815
00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:51.280
<v Speaker 1>weed controls all that, raise the deck on the mow

816
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:52.360
<v Speaker 1>or don't scalp.

817
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:55.639
<v Speaker 2>Your lawn, might just do it. Mowing tip is getting

818
00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:59.079
<v Speaker 2>electricallywn more because then you can mow whenever you want,

819
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:02.440
<v Speaker 2>because it's not just active. So it's Sunday morning, everybody's

820
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:04.920
<v Speaker 2>still asleep. You got that electric mowerk no one will

821
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.679
<v Speaker 2>hardly even know you're mowing. You can hold on a conversation.

822
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:10.000
<v Speaker 2>You don't have that annoying pull cord where all your

823
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:14.599
<v Speaker 2>neighbors are laughing at you as you struggle with it. So, yeah,

824
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:19.199
<v Speaker 2>that's my just do it. It's all I got. Really well,

825
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:20.920
<v Speaker 2>I have personal item, but I feel like we already

826
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:25.679
<v Speaker 2>discussed that person. You're just do it gardening gear. Oh yeah,

827
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:28.639
<v Speaker 2>but you know I'm in I'm firmly in hat camp.

828
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The clothes, I mean, I love these pants. These

829
00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:33.360
<v Speaker 1>are Columbia lightweight.

830
00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:34.960
<v Speaker 2>They look a little light for gardening.

831
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:38.719
<v Speaker 1>Color wise, oh colorwise, Yeah, I'm talking about the type

832
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<v Speaker 1>of Yes, yes, yes, I soiled my plants.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. So that is our partial list of things

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<v Speaker 2>that you should just do in the garden without hesitating,

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<v Speaker 2>without delay, just because they are the right thing to

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<v Speaker 2>do and they will pay dividends in the long run.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you so much for listening. Thank you Rick,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you cuator on up, and we hope you all

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<v Speaker 2>have a wonderful week ahead. H