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Here on this Monday morning. Jake Flynn, Alandra Taylor all
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Speaker 3: How are we doing? How we live? And how was
the weekend? Sir?
Speaker 2: Weekend was good. Got a little rest. Folks are in town.
I had the kids chasing them around. That's good.
Speaker 3: Got a chance to say hello to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a great weekend. That's football on the TV.
It's it's just nice to have football on the background.
Fall albeit terrible preseason football, so bad, but it's so great.
It is so great just to have the noises back there.
So it's been good. It's been a good weekend.
Speaker 5: Did you have a player over the weekend, and anybody
can answer this. A player over the weekend that showed
up in a preseason game.
Speaker 3: You're like, wow, I fell still plays.
Speaker 2: A good question. Someone stick out to you case Keenum, Yes,
that was it.
Speaker 3: He went in there from the Bears, and I'm like, there,
ain't no way.
Speaker 2: Ain't no way. So I saw him. So I was
watching that game kind of background. I wasn't like paying
attention to it, and I saw the quarterback plan and
I recognized like the body language, and I couldn't like
read the name because they hadn't zoomed in yet. So
it took I had to like watch for like two
or three minutes to finally get to catch the name plate.
And yeah, I was like, huh, that's interesting. Good for him.
He was almost out of the league in I want
to say, like fifteen or sixteen, and he got called
I can't remember. I think the Texans called him in
maybe September.
Speaker 3: Sember run with Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Was it Minnesota? Okay, maybe it was the champions.
Speaker 3: So we don't want to bring up that whole nil.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, because I think I remember the story.
He was out of it, he wasn't on the team,
and he was like in a deer stand. Yeah, and
he got his text from his agent saying, hey, got
will workout for you? Yeah you want to make a
playoff run?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So still doing it, going strong.
Speaker 3: Good for him, Good for him, anybody else? Anybody else?
Have a random person and like, oh wow, that guy
still plays.
Speaker 6: Every time I see timol every time I see Tim
Boyle is a backup.
Speaker 3: I'm like Tim Boyle is still has played for a lot.
Speaker 2: Of teams for a lot of How to make y'all
feel you go back to the Chicago game when they
panted the sideline, saw Dennis Island's face, I laughed at TV.
Speaker 3: Good coordinator.
Speaker 2: They were like, Dennis.
Speaker 6: Allen's defense can get a stop and they gave up
like a fifteen yard dig round on third and ten
tennis side.
Speaker 5: Stay hot, Bud, just stay consistent, Stay consistent. But yeah,
I mean, I'm like Flynn. It was good to see football,
even if it was background fodder. They're over the week
in a Landra, How was your weekend?
Speaker 7: It was good. I did a whole lot of sleeping.
I was a little under the weather, so Saturday.
Speaker 5: I wasn't ready for sleep, That's all.
Speaker 1: I like.
Speaker 8: I had a remote out in Gonzalez, on Saturday morning,
I got home passed out for hours, and then the
night before I watched my neighbor's daughter.
Speaker 7: It was so good.
Speaker 8: I showed her Rookie of the Year and loved it. Yeah,
she was like, oh wait, I like this movie and
she really liked it.
Speaker 7: So that's fun too.
Speaker 8: I think that's like what I'm most looking forward to
if I ever have kids is showing them all the
movies that I used to like as a kid.
Speaker 3: You're gonna sit down and you're gonna We're gonna watch
Rookie of the Year. It is a great sand line, like, yeah,
you're watch.
Speaker 2: Because like the movies we grew up with, we think
our kids should like them because we turned out awesome,
so like they need to turn out as awesome. But
I had that experience recently with uh with Little Big League. Yeah,
like they loved it and they asked to watch it
again the other night. They're like, I think it was
Friday or Saturday, like can we go to sleep to it?
And I'm like, yeah, why not? That was a Little
Big League. Yeah, a couple of risk parts of that
movie I didn't know about as a child, but yeah,
I liked it. I think the nineties. They like to
sprinkle those in there.
Speaker 5: I had something for the parents. I mean, any movie
be like Shrek. Yeah, it's got a ton of stuff
for adults. The kids don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 2: This is a little bit more different. Like the little
boy from a Little Big League. He is in a
he ends up paying for certain movies in a hotel room.
Yeah weird.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, well, and then I showed her I showed
her bride worse too. That's uh.
Speaker 8: Kate Hudson and Anne Hathaway, they're best friends and they
both want to get married at the plaza. But yeah,
I think one of my favorite bits is him calling
him a different name every time, where he's.
Speaker 3: Like, way to go, run a buck up, yes, gardener.
Yeah that's great movie. Great movie.
Speaker 2: Do you do you call that babysitting or just hanging
out with We were.
Speaker 8: Just hanging out. I mean, I guess I was quote
unquote babysitting, but we were hanging out. I didn't feel like,
yeah played operations.
Speaker 7: Oh they have like money with it now. No, she
had it, but they have like money with it now.
Speaker 2: Operations aren't cheap.
Speaker 3: Yeah, gotta pay to play.
Speaker 7: The guy didn't have insurance.
Speaker 8: It's like a thousand bucks to get the bread basket
out of him.
Speaker 6: Oh geez, got fout a dollar for every time somebody
swallowed a bread basket.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if I had a nickel. Have
you ever had a child swallow any four objects before?
Speaker 5: Ummm no, no, none of the five nothing.
Speaker 3: I'm assuming with the way you set that story up,
you're about to tell her.
Speaker 2: Well, it reminded me. She said, they have money at
it now, Like my little one swallowed like a penny
one time this past year.
Speaker 3: And that's the true definition. It can't had money.
Speaker 2: Seriously, especially when they take an X ray and it's
like it's like, oh, yeah, she did it.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it's there. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Uh te the Cowboys played a preseason game more than
Navy jerseys and everything.
Speaker 3: How to go? How was the weekend?
Speaker 2: I love the Navy jerseys.
Speaker 6: I wish uh Ceedee Lamb and the referee would both
have their head on a swivel because, uh, that was
a collision we didn't need in the preseason. Dallas is
already in preseason four or mid season four, so he
got that's excellent.
Speaker 2: But it was good. He was into the game. Though
he was celebrating his team teamwork.
Speaker 6: He was, he was, he was, he was in a
good move up until that point. But no great weekend,
great wen.
Speaker 2: He ends up on the injury. God, all right, let's
let's chill. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I was talking about this with Katie and the
boys yesterday and he used to bother me as a
player too, And it bothers me, I think even more now,
say my old man taken. I hate that I that
I feel this way. But when somebody's not playing in
a preseason game, do they try as hard as they
possibly can to let you know that they're not playing
in the preseason game. Towel around the neck, hats cocked
to the side, maybe from sunglasses own out in front.
And like, when I was a player, you should bother
me too, Like there's preseason games that I didn't play in,
but I was gonna be dressed, like I was gonna
adjust my uniforms, can go through warm ups whatever.
Speaker 3: But like on the.
Speaker 5: Sidelines, like, oh my god, that guy's trying so hard
to show everybody, Hey, I didn't have to play this game.
Speaker 8: I got.
Speaker 6: I got, I got justin Jefferson did this over the weekend,
so on Saturday, they did like a fifteen minute interview
with him, like between commercial breaks. Everything was great, but
like all the other guys, you know, they got their
purple jerseys on with no pats if they're not playing.
Joseph Jefferson shows up, I'm all black, what looked like
Minnesota track suit, sunglasses on, indoors, towel over his shoulder.
I'm like, jjy, we get it, Bud, you ain't playing.
Speaker 2: But it was I forget him though. That's him a
little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. And this is more.
Speaker 5: This is more like fringe guys that used to upset me,
like when I was a player, you know what I mean,
Like the outside line, I'm backer at starting because of
an injury, and I'm like, and he's trying to let
everybody know, hey, I'm you know it got the tal ramneck,
you know what I mean? They ain't playing today. Seohn
Phillips was the worst. I'll go ahead and put an
into it. My mold teammates shot was the worst. It
is like try to put on a piece of flair
to let you know, Like he'd like go put slides
on to let you know he wasn't playing in that
preseason game, Like, hey man, we get it. We know
what this, we know what this first pre season game
is about.
Speaker 2: It ain't a big deal. The first game doesn't mean jack.
You know. It really bothers me about coverage of preseason games,
and you just alluded to it. It's the third and
fourth quarter interview with the star player that is not
playing in the game during the gameplay, and I'm like,
nobody cares. He's not You're not going to get any
information out of this. I guess people. I guess there
are people. They wouldn't do it if people didn't care.
But like these guys, these cats that are playing the game,
they're working their tail off and their whole family, like
everybody's watching them. People care about like they're trying to
make a team. And you were just like I was like, oh,
what a great throw, a great catch, and they just
like skip right past and they don't show the replay. Uh, Like,
these guys could make the best play you've ever seen
in your life in the third or fourth quarter of
a preseason game, and uh, I don't know. We're worried
about what the star player who doesn't play is. How
is training camps going?
Speaker 3: And it was funny.
Speaker 5: DeVante Adams was on an interview. He's with the Rams
now and he was doing one of those interviews that
you don't like, and there's like a big play in
the crowd popped a little bit and made some noise
and he's like trying to look and trying to ask
him questions, and he basically was like, hold on, my
guys made a big play. I'm trying to find out
what was going on like during the interview.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these guys I'm spending like every single day with
and teaching and yeah, anyway, I don't I'm not a
big fan of that.
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Speaker 5: All right, so the Saints go down to the Chargers
twenty seven to thirteen in the preseason score doesn't really matter.
If you win or lose a preseason game doesn't really matter.
It's about watching the tape and seeing how the performances
ended up. It's about seeing some things like was it
clean football? Did you have turnovers? Did you protect the quarterback?
Speaker 2: Did we protect the quarterback?
Speaker 3: No, that did not happen.
Speaker 5: My biggest takeaway from the Saints preseason game the Saints
offensive line and now with Trevor Pinning leaving the game,
will clap leaving the game? I mean, you're down a
couple of bodies. But the Saints had their one offensive
line out there against Charger backups and could not block them.
Speaker 3: That is troublesome. That makes you worry.
Speaker 5: I mean, like I said, you had multiple parts of
your first offensive line out there and they were losing.
The Chargers full back they're starting fullback who like Dabbles
and playing defensive line was beating some of your first
team offensive line.
Speaker 3: That's a problem.
Speaker 2: And we talking pass pro run blocking, what are we talking?
I saw the pass blocking your poison. You can better
judge the run blocking, because you've read run blocking for
your entire career. Pass blocking, it just seemed like there
was one loose end a lot of times. But that's
all it really takes, right, That mean, no question about it.
We'll get to the run game. If we can start
with the pass protection, that's fine. Caesar Luiz, who's a
first round pick.
Speaker 5: Jack ln Hyde has had some moments, but like he
got beat in a way Matt that you see undrafted
free agents get beat. And I don't try, like I'm
not trying to be disrespectful to undrafted free agents, but
when you get in there for the first time, it's
going real fast, you forget all your technique.
Speaker 3: You kind of step on your own toes a little bit.
Speaker 5: And when I see a guy who is a veteran
player in this league, who is a first round pick,
do that, like that's troublesome to me. It's like he
has got to be more consistent. This was the third
fourth play of the game, and Spencer Ratler is having
to immediately leave the pocket because his first round starting
guard is getting beat by a backup. Now a good defense, Chargers,
I think we're the topping scoring defense.
Speaker 3: I think a year ago.
Speaker 5: But it's a backup on that team and your guy
throwing a lookout block the third play of a preseason game.
You can say it's one play, sure, but it wasn't
the only the only play. I mean, you get a
gift the Chargers muff a punt, you get the ball
back there and on you know, one of the biggest
I think it was third down Spencer Ratler doesn't even
have the ball in his hands yet, and he's getting
pressure from the right guard immediately, right, and so like
those are things that it's hard to judge a quarterback. Now,
Spencer ended up running down to the one yard line
and making a positive playout of it. But it's hard
to judge quarterbacks when you have pressure immediately, certainly interior
pressure immediately.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Watching the game, that is the number one thing that
stuck out to me was the pass protection woes with
the with the starting unit. I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna take a deep dive into quarters one, two, three,
and four, but.
Speaker 5: It was immediately with your starters against backups, and from
all the talk through off season leading up to training
camp and up to this point through training camp, most
of the talk ninety eight percent of it.
Speaker 2: It's been about the quarterbacks, been a little bit about
the receivers, what we're doing on defense, Tire Matthew, the
safety position, and most of we've kind of skipped past
and overlooked the offensive line because all reports said, looking
pretty good, they're dominating. There's some good clips coming out,
and we were hoping that that was the one position
that we could at least count on to be serviceable,
be good because of the draft stock, the draft capital
they have in it, the least amount of like I guess,
question marks about who's going to be there at least
maybe maybe it's not the right fit, maybe they haven't
really shown what they should have. But like from a
personnel standpoint, the least amount of question marks, like we
got guys here, they should be good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a position that we're like, okay, right, all right,
but let me you feel pretty good about it.
Speaker 2: But for a preseason game, an absolute running game that
was abysmal. Yes, it was blocked awfully, and we were
just talking about like the running backs, like he had
to shot the show out eor but like nineties Emmitt
Smith wasn't.
Speaker 5: Making anything in that game, right, That's a very tough
game to evaluate the running back position because when you
go and you look at it, and we'll just pull
up the box score, you had Kendre Miller six for
fifteen yards two point five yards per carrie, cam Akers
four for nine two point three yards per carry, Clyde
Edwards layer four carries six yards, one point five yards
per carrie. You had Jones junior head one carry for
negative one yards.
Speaker 3: All right, there was nothing there.
Speaker 5: And I went back and I was kind of looking
at some of the tape this morning, and I don't
know and you said it too, I don't know where
to tell the running back to run. So like the
problem coming in here on a Monday morning. It's not
that the Saints lost a preseason game. You can go
zero and four in the preseason, make the playoffs. It
happens all the time. It's when you watch the tape
and the positions that you actually felt good about in
camp were getting beat consistently in both things they do
protecting the quarterback and opening up lanes for the running back.
When you actually kind of look at the quarterback play,
there were some encouraging things.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something, quarterback. This is based on
one yame quarterback will not be the issue for the
New Orleans Saints in twenty twenty five. Not saying they're
gonna be all pros, not saying they're gonna be top
ten or maybe top fifteen, but they are not gonna
be the problem for this team. The problem is going
to be the surrounding pieces around it. Defense, but that
offensive line, it has got a lot of work to do.
And it's not just like mental errors. Yeah, we're talking
about physically being just beat Yeah, not maybe not outstrengthened,
like the technique, the footwork, like everything, it's just they
got beaten all ways.
Speaker 3: It was weird, It was it was so weird to
see a player again.
Speaker 5: Not just trying to pick on Caesar Wize, but he's
he's the guy that stood out to me. And also
like he's just been he's been inconsistent. Like the highs
are high, but man, the lows are low. And when
I say stepping on his own feet, Like when you
play offensive line really at any level, but certainly in
the National Football League, like there is a process of
going through your technique and if you don't do it,
you'll get beat by anybody. We always joke, like that
guy's gonna be an uber driver. Uber drivers are still
really good football players when they're in the preseason.
Speaker 3: And like he never even like had a kickstep.
Speaker 5: It was like he was like high school Harry, like
let me just turn and try to pass protect you.
Like it blew my mind watching it on tape, and
I kind of went back and like I was injured. Well,
I thought I thought maybe he got stepped on by somebody.
You know, It's like he couldn't get his noe. Nope,
it was just bad technique. And so like that was
a unit, and again it is one game. But the
thing that worries you is the Chargers didn't have Khalil
Mack out there. You know what I'm saying, Like the
Chargers didn't have they're ones out there rushing you. It
was guys that are going to play for the Chargers.
They're backups in a unit that you thought, Okay, look,
whichever young quarterback comes in there, they're gonna protect him
all right. Whichever running back ends up being behind ak,
you know, they're gonna be able to be successful, like
I thought Ken Dre Miller. Actually, like there was a
couple of moves that he made that almost texted the
group like Okay, I get while he's getting second and
third chances right because he's sudden. I'm like okay, but
it doesn't really matter how sudden you are.
Speaker 2: It suddenly got hit in the face exactly.
Speaker 3: He would make two guys miss like oh but.
Speaker 5: Like that in my hope is if I'm trying to
be glass half full about anything, maybe once they're they're
tight ends. Like maybe maybe you know, because Foster Moro
is obviously somebody that helps him in the run game,
like maybe when he gets like Juwan Johnson is a
converted receipt, so like.
Speaker 3: Maybe the top maybe maybe that helps you.
Speaker 2: Lost is gonna help him go that kickstep?
Speaker 3: But my yeah, he just true, my gosh.
Speaker 2: I mean, let me maybe the Chargers are like the
eighty five Bears, but.
Speaker 5: They are they really would I mean they led the
league in scoring defense, but if they weren't one, they
were like top three. But it wasn't It wasn't there, guys,
like you didn't have Derwin James wasn't out there.
Speaker 2: If there's ever like a show that talks about sports
that is not gonna overreact to preseason games, it would
be our show, and we're not gonna overreact to them
looking bad or playing bad or certainly not losing. Like
who cares about what the score says at the end
of the day in preseason, But when you make simple
airs and you're getting beat one on one and your
footwear looks bad and you just look like the other
people are better football players than you on multiple plays,
offensive line, like you're gonna win some, you're gonna lose them.
That is a defensive lineman. That's offensive line. That is
the life of alignment, especially in the running game, like
you're gonna win some, you're gonna lose some. In passing game,
you're gonna win. As offensive lineman, you're gonna win the majority.
You can win ninety nine percent of them and still
be a bad offensive lineman. Right, that's just the life
that it is. But you can't get beat every time, right,
And we're not saying they got beat every time, but
it certainly looked like it because we couldn't run the
ball and we're I'm talking more of the first staffs.
Spencer had pressure on him the entire time. So, like
the biggest question mark has been the quarterback. Everybody's been
worried about it. We'll talk about that more in segments
that come about their actual play. But I can tell
you from what we saw in one game, and this
is not an overreaction, this is just stadium. What we
saw based on yesterday is that quarterback we will not
be the issue this year. If there is an issue
to we had.
Speaker 5: I am oof, man, I am looking at some of
the pro football focused grades this game.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, the guys towards the bottom.
Speaker 5: I mean, Caesar at least fifty one percent, Juwan Johnson
fifty one percent.
Speaker 3: Like when you.
Speaker 5: Look at pass blocking grades, it's just, man, there's not only.
Speaker 2: One way to go.
Speaker 3: It is only one way to go. You're starting, you're
starting right guard.
Speaker 5: You're starting right guard, who's a first round pick that
you're going to be counting on graded out of thirty
four percent past blocking grade yesterday, Like those are the
things that when you when you watch it, they showed
and look like I just I wanted to see the
grades just to make sure that my eyes were telling
me the same story. And if the Saints are going
to be successful offensively and we'll get to the defense
later on, there was actually some really good things with
some of the defensive unit, but the if the Saints
are gonna have any hope to do anything, even in
the South, a division that has been down, the offensive
line has to be the unit that you count on
every single game because you've got four first round picks
in a second round pick. Find me another team across
the league that in a position group, any position group
has four first rounders in a second rounder and the
second rounder is actually the best of the group.
Speaker 3: Like, go find me that. You won't. It doesn't exist.
Speaker 5: You have so much draft capital tied into that one position,
that position group for what you've spent on.
Speaker 2: It needs to be elite.
Speaker 3: They weren't good yesterday.
Speaker 5: They were In fact, they were bad together Like Fogg
actually played pretty well at right tackle. Okay, you know,
Banks is somebody that's you know, a rookie, and he
held his own a little bit there. But as a unit,
it's got to go way up if the Saints want
to have any kind of a season that they can
be proud of, because yesterday's performance from a group that
you're counting on was so much put into it and
building it. If it plays like that, he'll be going
to Pittsburgh next year, and the commissioner is going to
say what the first overall pick the New Orleans Saints select.
Speaker 2: With a unit, an offensive unit that has two wide
receivers that anyone in the country's ever heard of, two
quarterbacks that are a fifth round pick, last year's second
round pick, rookie, no veteran quarterbacks, running backs that are
established but older getting a little bit older. The group
that we're talking about on the lead of this show
for fifteen minutes is about the poor play of the
one group that has got four first rounders in a second. Yeah,
that's not good. No, you have to have them step by.
They got to be the anchor of this team. They
got a lot to approve on and like, look, the
talent's clearly there. They wouldn't have had the draft stock
that they did. They just have to figure it out.
They got to figure out how to be pros. Yeah, man,
I'm not I'm talking about all of them, but just
from you got to do your job. Four people can't
be great and one person not yet. They got to work.
Speaker 5: You have to non negotiable. When you play the offensive
line in the National Football League, you have to all
be working It's what makes football the greatest sport in
the world. You can have ten guys doing the thing
that they're supposed to be doing at an elite level,
and one guy can be, you know, using poor technique
or be not there mentally and not have one step here,
one step there. Maybe he you know, supposed to go
inside shoulder, he goes outside shoulder. And you know what,
those ten guys doing that elite thing, it does not matter.
The play is going to be blown up in the backfield.
That's what makes it the ultimate team sport and the
greatest sport we have. It has to be eleven people
in Unison, and yesterday.
Speaker 3: It was not that. It was not that in then
some and.
Speaker 2: So guess what though, that's another game this week.
Speaker 5: I and and look they might so, depending on on
their health. Killing Moore said after the game they might
practice with the Rams this week because the Chargers were
supposed to practice with the Rams, and the Chargers a
little banged up in camp and they decided not to.
The Saints actually the Rams reached out to them and said, hey,
would y'all since Charle out here, would y'all want to
practice with us those joint practices would benefit the Saints
offensive line so much because that Rams defensive line has
got dogs, three or four of them.
Speaker 2: If I'm killing more, you got away this all right?
What kind of practices do you want to have, Sean McVay,
Because I want to go full pads four times this
week and I would have run I have running drills,
and I want my offense linemen to work. So if
the Rams aren't don't want to do that, if I'm
killing more, that's what I want to do. I want
to go nine on seven. I want my offensive line.
I want to kick their ass this week. Yeah right.
I wanted to make them get low, make them do
the footwork stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So if if.
Speaker 2: Rams don't want to do those things, that's you got
to kind of way what type of practice you want
to do? But I agree with you, if you have
those types of practices with another team, it would benefit
them tremendously.
Speaker 5: Especially with one that has the Rams defensive line. I mean,
Braden Fisk, You've got Kobe Turner, Byron Young, you got yeah,
Jared Verse.
Speaker 3: Is obviously on that team.
Speaker 5: I mean you have some really good players that can
really get after any offensive line. I mean, Jared Verse,
what was he not defensive Rookie of the Year last
year on the That's what I thought, and I mean
Fisk and look those Florestate guys who know them well,
but you can tell shoot the were in the backfield
as well, really good players. I still think it's funny
that when you look at the Rams defensive depth chart
you see Omar Spates starting in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Matthhouse.
Speaker 5: I knew Omar was a great player. I watched him
at Oregon State. I was so exciting when he got here.
Everybody was calling him slow Mar Spates for his play
at LSU. Oh no, it was just madhouse. It was
just madhouse guys starting in the NFL as an undrafted
free agent two years in a row.
Speaker 3: By the way, Oh that put me in a bad movie.
All right, all right, yep, yep.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll try to find some good in what happened
yesterday in Sofi Stadium when we come back here on
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Speaker 1: Hey, Tigers turn talkers, this is off the bench, all right,
welcome back here.
Speaker 3: And oh TB one oh four five, ESPN Ben.
Speaker 2: Rouge all right.
Speaker 3: Uh, we gotta say something nice about the Saints.
Speaker 5: Kidding uniforms so good they wore the right pants. They
wore the pants you're supposed to wear on the road.
Were the gold pants.
Speaker 2: So yes, Spencer Rayler drawed back on his first pass, Spence,
guess throw it.
Speaker 3: Where checked down?
Speaker 2: Bye bye, went through his reads, perfect, reed, check down, back,
got out, stay on schedule.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, like there was there's three or four throws
for Spencer. I was like, all right, all right, that's
a big throw. That's a that's a.
Speaker 2: Looks really good. Yeah he look, he looked very comfortable, look,
very poised. Read the read the defense. Well, I don't
think he made a bad read or bad decision. The
I think he made one bad throw through behind a
gown on a slant round. Okay, whoop, big whoop. But
he looked very poised.
Speaker 3: Look.
Speaker 2: Look, and I watch a quarterback. When we kind of
talked about how we should evaluate quarterbacks and which you
look for, things like that offense looks smooth. There's a
lot happened that first offense pre snap. There's a lot
happening with ships, a lot happened in motions. You have
to have a guy that is understands that. And so
the operationally, like we discussed last week, operationally, I thought
Spencer looked really good. That's getting everybody in the right position.
You know, not a lot of pre snap penalties. There's
nothing that looked a mess. It looked like it looked concise.
They pretty much ran similar formation and similar motions on
most of their plays when Spencer was in there, Like
they had they had they had a plan, They had
a plan of attack, and they were gonna give them
pretty much similar looks and run multiple different running plays
and pass plays variations off that off those looks. But yeah,
I thought he looked well. I thought he looked good.
I really did. He threw the ball well. It didn't
seem like too big for him, He wasn't pressing, spun
the ball well, went through his reads. I think it
was the first play of the game where they dropped
back and they ran like a two by two I
can all go hinge type of situation and back got out,
went through his reads. They got too high shell. Nobody
was there where the side that he chose to work
based on the pre snap coverage, there is nobody there.
Moved his feet, stayed poised, hit the check down. I
think got seven eight yards. So stay on schedule. Perfect,
That's that's what I saw and that's the biggest takeaway
for me. That's how you evaluate the quarterback in a
preseason is what they do when all the goods are
out there. It's not what they really do in the
second half. I don't think that means as much right now.
You have to take care of business like Shuck had
to do what he did, because it's if you don't
do that, then it's really like it's really bad, but
like it's just different football in the second half of
a preseason game than it is the first half. So
I thought he handled it well.
Speaker 5: I was excited a couple of other things that I
think were positive for the New Orleans Saints because you know,
last segment and we obviously pointed out the things that
went wrong and that that's gonna be worrisome until we
see them again, either in game action or these practices
that they might have against the Rams. The past defense
looked great. I thought the past defense looked really good.
I thought the DB's played really well. Some of the
defensive linemen had some nice moments. I think that it's
a unit that you're trying to get some young guys
to be able to step up to give you some
real depth there because you do have some older players
that are gonna be in your starting unit. I thought
Danny Stutsman looked great. I thought in coverage, Danny Stutsman
looked great. And look, I wasn't really sure. I like
he's kind of an old school neck role wearing meat
head linebacker, which I love. But I was like, Okay,
well he's gonna be a run stuff or he's gonna
know that guy's athletic. He was great in coverage yesterday
at the linebacker position. He's gonna help. He's gonna help
this year. And I'm not wishing injury on anybody, but
the Saints have had some linebackers, mainly Pete Warner, who
have been in and out of the lineup, and Pete's
kind of like Sean Lee used to be, Like Pete
knows one speed in his he kind of fails him
because of it. But like Danny Setzman is going to
play some meaningful downs for the Saints. And so when
you look at the Chargers yesterday, I mean, they've got
a playoff quarterback in there, and heinike like he's played
playoff games and went toe to toe with Tom Brady
and almost beat him.
Speaker 3: In the playoffs.
Speaker 5: Okay, so he's not the best quarterback, but he's a
you know, air quote backup. Had started a playoff game, okay,
and he looked bad yesterday. Now, Trey Lance, that's a
little bit different. You know, he had some great plays
with his legs. His arm is the reason he's not
a starting quarterback even after being a top three pick.
But still there was nowhere to throw the football, so
that is encouraging. Like the Saints defense actually did some
nice things. Yards per pass for the Chargers only four
point three. I mean they did a little bit on
the ground. Chargers had thirty four carries one hundred and
forty eight yards for zero point four.
Speaker 3: Yards per carry.
Speaker 5: You did, you did okay ish on down, But the
defense was really the only place that you can look
and pick up some real positives from like position groups,
like the defensive backs, like as a whole, I thought
they had a nice day. There was some spots on
the defensive line that had nice day. Isaiah Foski still
doesn't give me anything. And you're hoping he's out there
starting the game. You're hoping he'd give you something. Still
don't see it. But if you want me to pick
a positive the defensive back room, which had some question
marks still does they played pretty well?
Speaker 2: Yeah? The what they score? What was the score at halftime?
Speaker 3: Nine three, nine to three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I I watched a little bit of the defense.
I know it's got some QB energy here on the
side of the table. I kind of kind of watched
a lot of the offense. But what happened when I
did watch nothing stuck out to me on defense, which
is a good thing. Yeah, Like, there wasn't any glaring gaps,
there were any glaring mistakes and anything like that. I saw.
I saw a good, hard defense. And I think that
the offense in the run game in alignment looks so
bad that the defense does stick out as the most
positive thing. So, I mean, especially with a defensive backfield
that got a huge shake up right before training camp
with Tyre Matthew retiring, but they played their tails off.
So oh yeah, a lot to be positive about on that.
Let me ask you this, the offense and not the struggles,
how much stock do you put into that? It was
the Chargers second game versus Saints' first game, A little
bit different game speed, maybe a little bit different, maybe
a little bit more callous, a little bit an extra
week of camp as well. Yeah, maybe just playing a
little half step faster.
Speaker 3: Yeah, physicality is going to be probably right a little bit.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, in the NFL, your professionals, it shouldn't
make that big of a difference, but.
Speaker 3: Not as much as it did. But it's probably something
a little.
Speaker 2: Too that you think. So we'll juice it though, maybe
I hope. Yeah, let's be positive. Yeah, absolutely, I mean
it was just guys, it was a Chargers second game.
Of course they're going to be better than this.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it matters how many games the
opponent played when you don't take a kick step, but yeah,
I mean to your point, the physicality of it, maybe
maybe so. But again, like the Saints defensive backs, that certainly,
to me was the most positive thing if you're a
Saints fan that you can take away from that game.
Jalen Ford also had a good game after having some
really good practices this week, linebacker from Texas.
Speaker 3: Again, like it's a room that's you.
Speaker 5: Know, kind of established and you kind of know who
the starters are going to be. But that's somebody that
I thought had a really good game as well. So linebackers,
defensive backs certainly passing grades. Defensive line a little bit
of a mixed bag, but definitely felt better about the
defense than we did the offense. And remember a new
defense coordinator as well, so like it's only in theory
going to get better as you have more reps together.
Brandon Staley, who was the try Archer's head coach, is
now your defensive coordinator. So kulaim Kinstry also had a
couple of nice It wasn't a lot. It's probably about
ten plays, but he flashed to me once or twice.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, golf clap for the defense. Well, golf clap.
Speaker 5: All right, we'll take our last break of hour number one.
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Speaker 1: Com, Tigers Turn Talkers. This is off the bench, all.
Speaker 5: Right, welcome back to GANOTB one h four five, ESPN
bat Rouge. All right, So obviously we talked a lot
of saints here in our number one kind of wrap
up this conversation. We got Taylor's top three coming up
at the top. We've got our OTB Top twenty five
as well. I think we're down what to number seventeen,
So alone is gonna give you the seventeenth ranked team
in the OTB preseason Top twenty five. So kind of
closing thoughts real quick here. For the Saints game was bad.
There was things that should not have happened with veteran
players that did. But if you can find a way
to practice against the LA Rams this week and you
don't do it, that's very disappointing. And I think you're
doing your team a disservice. And I realize health comes
into it, but you need it. You need it in
the worst way because where the Rams are good, you're bad.
Speaker 3: And I think that.
Speaker 5: Would help you continue to try to build to something
that can look like an NFL offense and an NFL team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get better iron sharp and iron right, you
get better by playing people that are better at the coach.
Yeah you like that, You like that coach Duck iron sharp,
iron boys. Yeah, you need to play somebody better than you.
You need to practice against someone better than you. And
I'm not a proponent of intersquad practices. I never did it.
I always dreaded it, I never wanted to do it,
and I never did it. I just bounced around too much,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Uh, But I think our listeners do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is uh. I think it might
be the time to do it. You need to play
some people that are that are personnel wise in different
positions better than you to make you better. So yeah,
I'd like to see it happen. But those offensive linemen
need some live work this week in practice.
Speaker 5: All right, So when we come back, we'll actually give
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