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<v Speaker 1>They met online and bonded over the music genre horror core,

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<v Speaker 1>and after nearly a year of talking, twenty year old

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<v Speaker 1>Richard mccorsky flew from California to Virginia to meet sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old Emma Niederbrock in person. But what began as

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<v Speaker 1>a teenage dream ended in a blood soaked nightmare. Four

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<v Speaker 1>people bludgeoned to death in a quiet Farmville home. By

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<v Speaker 1>the time police stepped inside, the smell of decomposition had

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<v Speaker 1>already begun to seep through the walls. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>story of the Farmville murders, also known as the horror

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<v Speaker 1>Core Killer. My name's Ben.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wick and Ingram.

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<v Speaker 1>A true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>The following podcast content I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, I might be slurring a lot today, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>think you may.

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<v Speaker 1>That's I'm going to do my best. But I've got

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<v Speaker 1>like a tiny little like canker sore on the very

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<v Speaker 1>tip of my tongue, and it's making speech a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit hard right now. It's pronunciation is a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>difficult at the moment. But I'm going to do my

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<v Speaker 1>best today. So if you hear me slurring a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not drunk. I'm just slightly injured, incapacitated, slightly incapacitated.

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<v Speaker 2>More suck they do. They're terrible, they do. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>get them very often. You definitely get them far more

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<v Speaker 2>than me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I don't know why. I talked to my

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<v Speaker 1>dentist about it, and it's like, oh, it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>a thing. We don't know why and it just happens.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like cool thos.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my throat's a little bit scratchy today, so hopefully okayually,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a strong ass voice for the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're both gonna shit. The bad today is what Nicole.

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<v Speaker 3>Saying, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>But what we do have to do before anything else is,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, thank our patrons over on Patreon for signing

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<v Speaker 1>up and getting all that behind the scenes extra content

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<v Speaker 1>and everything. So we have a thank you, a big

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<v Speaker 1>old thank you to Jesus Lopez, Stacy Reese, Virginia Corbett, Chandra.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure I was gonna say la Chandra, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to butcher it, but I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you saved it.

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<v Speaker 1>I caught myself and saved it. It's Chandra Jones, Hannah

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<v Speaker 1>Wolf of Stig. I got a phonetic breakdown on that one,

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<v Speaker 1>so thank you very much, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I was like, are you sure you got that one?

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<v Speaker 1>They put in brackets the breakdown, so I should have

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<v Speaker 1>got it. If I still messed it up, my apologies,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course finally we have Jose, So thank.

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<v Speaker 2>You very much, John. Yeah, thank you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>We just realized this morning too, that today is the

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<v Speaker 1>first day of April. We thought it was still the

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<v Speaker 1>last day of March.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, which is funny considering that your birthday is tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Touche that we knew that, but that we didn't know that. Yeah, anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>we got our dates kind of mixed up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we were planning to put out the Patreon

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<v Speaker 1>episode today when it should have come out yesterday. So

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<v Speaker 1>our apologies to that. The episode will come out later today.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're wondering where is it, it's on its way.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty cool to get two episodes in a day, though,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say.

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<v Speaker 1>Touche, and that's that's not an April fools, that's just

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<v Speaker 1>a we fucked up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, don't believe a word any Okay. I came across

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<v Speaker 2>this meme before I go full blown here. It was like,

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<v Speaker 2>don't believe a word anyone says today. It was like

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow because it was posted yesterday, unlike any other day though,

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<v Speaker 2>And I was thought, yeah, yeah, I pretty much always

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<v Speaker 2>am cautious about what the fuck people are talking about

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<v Speaker 2>and saying and doing, so it's just every other day

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<v Speaker 1>I read a meme the other day where it was like,

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<v Speaker 1>April Fools this year is canceled, and it was because

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<v Speaker 1>the reality we're living in is already the biggest joke

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<v Speaker 1>there is.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I see, I thought it was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>like April Holes that it was canceled.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's like you can't beat the joke authority going on.

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<v Speaker 2>That's okay, so fair enough.

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<v Speaker 1>We already live in April Fools twenty four to seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Old man.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's get into this case. You're ready for it?

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Well, I do want to preface this when I

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<v Speaker 1>say the Farmville murders, it is not in any way

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<v Speaker 1>related to the Farmville game. I believe there's a mobile

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<v Speaker 1>game called Farmville. Has nothing to do, has nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>do with it. It's just the farm well, the town

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<v Speaker 1>is called Farmville.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I love that name. I want to live there.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to live there?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine living in a where are you from? Farmville?

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<v Speaker 1>That is cool, that's got that cottage court vibe. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I like it, farm core Vibeh. Huh, horror because horror

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<v Speaker 1>core killer.

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<v Speaker 3>Aha.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyways, let's move on. It's not going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>good er So Farmville, Virginia. It's not the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>place you'd expect to make hat national headlines. It's quiet.

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<v Speaker 1>It's tucked into the middle of the state and best

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<v Speaker 1>historic homes and family owned businesses. There's a pace to

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<v Speaker 1>life there, unhurried, familiar and safe. People know who their

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<v Speaker 1>neighbors are, and strangers tend to stand out. By September

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<v Speaker 1>of two thousand and nine, that seemed I'm sure that

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<v Speaker 1>sense of security was quite shattered in one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most shocking crimes the town had ever seen. Four people

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<v Speaker 1>were brutally murdered inside a small white home on First Avenue.

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<v Speaker 1>At the center of it all was a twenty year

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<v Speaker 1>old from California, a quiet, awkward guy who'd flown across

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<v Speaker 1>the country to meet a girl he'd only known online.

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<v Speaker 1>Her name was Emma Niederbrock. She was sixteen, homeschooled, creative,

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<v Speaker 1>and part of a growing online music scene centered around

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<v Speaker 1>the horror core rap genre. Now it's a genre known

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<v Speaker 1>for violent lyrics, dark themes, and its shock value. Most

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<v Speaker 1>of all, it was through this shared interest that Emma

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<v Speaker 1>met Richard mccorsky. He was just another kid growing up

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<v Speaker 1>in California, quiet, awkward, and easy to overlook. He was

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<v Speaker 1>born on December twenty sixth, nineteen eighty eight, and spent

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<v Speaker 1>most of his early years in Hayward before moving with

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<v Speaker 1>his family to nearby Castro Valley. Now by all accounts,

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<v Speaker 1>Richard didn't have it easy. He was bullied for being overweight,

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<v Speaker 1>and for having red hair, and for just all around

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<v Speaker 1>being a little bit different than all the other kids.

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<v Speaker 1>School was rough, and he didn't have many friends. He

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<v Speaker 1>the radar. His sister, Sarah mccorsky, described him as kind,

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<v Speaker 1>soft spoken, and someone who didn't fight back unless seriously provoked.

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<v Speaker 1>Neighbors called him a loner. His teachers probably saw him

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<v Speaker 1>as the quiet kid who never really raised his hand,

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<v Speaker 1>but online it was a different story. Like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of teenagers who didn't feel like they fit in, Richard

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<v Speaker 1>found a kind of freedom on the internet. He got

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<v Speaker 1>into graphic design and started making websites. He began playing

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<v Speaker 1>with audio software as well, and he taught himself how

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<v Speaker 1>to record music, and slowly he started creating songs of

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<v Speaker 1>his own. It was through this that he discovered horror core. So,

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<v Speaker 1>just to make sure I'm breaking that word down correctly

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<v Speaker 1>with my slurring words today, horror core is the genre

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<v Speaker 1>what it's called, Okay. Now, The music is certainly not

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<v Speaker 1>for everyone, and that's kind of the point of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's intentionally dark and intentionally very extreme. So Richard started

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<v Speaker 1>Psycho Sam spelt Syko Sam. His songs were raw, full

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<v Speaker 1>of anger, and often very graphic. He rapped about murder, mutilation,

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<v Speaker 1>and revenge, and that's normal in this genre.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, but still.

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<v Speaker 1>And I do want to clarify when people are singing

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<v Speaker 1>like they're singing about like actually doing that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just, you know, like writing a horror movie is.

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<v Speaker 2>Our a book or something, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly so. And I do also want to say when

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<v Speaker 1>I say rapper, I should clarify this as well. He

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't famous or well known, not even in the horror

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<v Speaker 1>core world, which is a pretty niche like little online

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<v Speaker 1>world and online scene, but he was a part of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and he ran in the same circles as some other

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<v Speaker 1>underground artists and fans. He even promoted his work through

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<v Speaker 1>MySpace and YouTube under the little nick the nickname Little

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<v Speaker 1>Demon Dog. There's a few capital letters thrown in there,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's Lil dem On Dog and the G at

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<v Speaker 1>the end is capital is well, so I broke it

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<v Speaker 1>down with like the capitals being the start of each word,

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<v Speaker 1>but it actually spells little Demon Dog. Now, the deeper

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<v Speaker 1>Richard got into horror core, the more it seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>become his identity. Now, it isn't exactly a household genre

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<v Speaker 1>of music, this horror core. I'm going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>it a little bit more here. It's a niche corner

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<v Speaker 1>of hip hop, and it thrives on shock value, dark beats,

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<v Speaker 1>disturbing lyrics and themes that revolve around murder, mental illness,

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<v Speaker 1>the occult, and anything else that makes people uncomfortable, to

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<v Speaker 1>say the least. For most people, it's fantasy. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>way to vent, to escape or stand out, but to

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<v Speaker 1>outsiders it can be deeply unsettling when you hear these

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<v Speaker 1>lyrics from these songs. Now, the scene has always existed

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<v Speaker 1>in the underground world of music. Artists like Insane Clown Posse,

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<v Speaker 1>who we've talked about in different episodes before, who've influenced

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<v Speaker 1>helped carve oute this space nineties, and from there a

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<v Speaker 1>whole subculture was born. Horror core fans formed their online communities,

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<v Speaker 1>made homemade music videos, and followed a growing list of

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<v Speaker 1>indie artists with names like razikl, Bloodshot, Sic Tannic. The

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<v Speaker 1>vibe was aggressive, theatrical and over the top, strictly by design.

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<v Speaker 1>Now in fact, because of this, I I was singing

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<v Speaker 1>some Insane Cloud Posse songs the last couple of days

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<v Speaker 1>in my head because I as a kid, when as

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<v Speaker 1>a teenager I listened to Insane Cloud Posse. It's quite

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<v Speaker 1>graphic lyrics to talk about literally going out and killing

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<v Speaker 1>people and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And everyone's parents are just like the.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck pretty much. But it's that separation of reality to fantasy.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you know when you listen to it that

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's no different than watching a horror movie online

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<v Speaker 1>or on your TV.

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh, like when you're playing video games and shit right,

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<v Speaker 2>you're like killing people on screen, like you can playing

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<v Speaker 2>video games for an eight hour span and how many

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<v Speaker 2>people have you killed?

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<v Speaker 1>And stuff so exactly, So it's honestly, it has a

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<v Speaker 1>bad reputation strictly because of those graphic lyrics, but those

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<v Speaker 1>graphic lyrics are strictly fantasy. Now. His online presence was

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<v Speaker 1>covered in dark imagery, posters of serial killers, horrorcore merch,

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<v Speaker 1>and different selfies he'd taken in graveyards. For example, there's

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<v Speaker 1>even a video of him flipping crosses at a marine's grave.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's that's rude, that's cross and a line.

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<v Speaker 1>That definitely is. In two thousand and nine, things started

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<v Speaker 1>to fall apart at home. His parents separated and his

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<v Speaker 1>She messaged him, talked pretty much every single day, and

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<v Speaker 1>Emma Nitebrock lived a world away from Richard mccorsky, both

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<v Speaker 1>scene and chatted with artists and shared fan content and

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<v Speaker 1>time it was definitely a newer thing still. But this

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<v Speaker 1>is where Richard comes in. Their connection started on MySpace,

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<v Speaker 1>where they messaged back and forth about music, photography, and

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<v Speaker 1>who felt as misunderstood as she did at times, and

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<v Speaker 1>of blurry, but one person sees as casual or friendly,

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<v Speaker 1>the other might see as intimate or serious. And Richard

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<v Speaker 1>future with her. Emma, on the other hand, never called

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<v Speaker 1>little bit unclear. What is clear, though, is that their

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<v Speaker 1>expectations weren't quite aligned, and that disconnect would become dangerously

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<v Speaker 1>important later on. Now, in the horror core community, Emma

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<v Speaker 1>They helped promote underground artists, make fan art, and even

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<v Speaker 1>Razakel was a prominent artist in the scene, and both

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<v Speaker 1>even more people, including Melanie, who lived in West Virginia

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<v Speaker 1>but quickly became one of her closest friends. As their

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<v Speaker 1>friendship deepened, so did their plans to meet up in person. Eventually. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>when the tour called Strictly for the Wicked. It was

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<v Speaker 1>September two thousand and nine in Michigan. Emma and Melanie

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<v Speaker 1>and Richard all agreed to go. It was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be their big meet up. Finally, for the first time,

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<v Speaker 1>nearly a year. Right, Richard bought his plane ticket and

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<v Speaker 1>he was excited, nervous, hopeful. To him, this trip felt

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<v Speaker 1>like the start of something real. By the time Richard

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<v Speaker 1>mccorsky boarded his flight from California to Virginia in early

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<v Speaker 1>September of two thousand and nine, he'd been talking to

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<v Speaker 1>Emma for almost a year. They messaged constantly, and as

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned this to him, wasn't just friendship, it was

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<v Speaker 1>something deeper. And now finally he was going to meet

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<v Speaker 1>this girl in person, face to face, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>where that something deeper could really begin, or if.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not mutual, can really show.

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<v Speaker 1>Now for reference, Emma was excited too. A few days

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<v Speaker 1>before his arrival, she left him a message on his

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<v Speaker 1>MySpace profile, and to quote it, it said, next time

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<v Speaker 1>you check your MySpace, you'll be at my house. I

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<v Speaker 1>love you so so much, baby, forever and for always. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so there is some sort of romance going on between

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<v Speaker 1>the two of them, sounds so. But once Richard showed

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<v Speaker 1>up everything changed. When Emma and her mom, doctor Deborah Kelly,

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<v Speaker 1>picked up Richard at the airport, Emma's excitement faded almost immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>In real life, Richard perhaps didn't look much like his photos.

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<v Speaker 1>He seemed younger than twenty, shorter than she expected, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was a little bit socially awkward. He wore baggy

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<v Speaker 1>cargo pants and an oversized hoodie, and his red hair

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<v Speaker 1>was unkempt and greasy. To Emma, the confident guy from

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<v Speaker 1>the internet wasn't the same person who is now standing

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<v Speaker 1>in front of her.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit. So she wasn't like attracted Jim in person then.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't seem that way, Oh no. She was polite but

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit distant, and Richard noticed. Still. He was

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<v Speaker 1>staying at their house now and sharing space with Emma

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<v Speaker 1>and Debra and soon Emma's best friend Melanie Melanie Wells

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<v Speaker 3>Right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Melanie would arrive a few days later from West Virginia

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<v Speaker 1>to join the group for the upcoming concert.

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<v Speaker 3>In Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone was trying to make the situation work, but the

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<v Speaker 1>energy was off. Emma and Melanie kept to themselves more,

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<v Speaker 1>and Richard began to feel more like a taglong than

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<v Speaker 1>a welcome guest to make things more uncomfort Emma's parents

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<v Speaker 1>were very aware that this guy was someone she'd only

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<v Speaker 1>met online. They weren't thrilled about the situation, but they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to support their daughter and give her a reason

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<v Speaker 1>to smile. So they agreed to you know, host this situation, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Which, honestly, I feel like a lot of parents it

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<v Speaker 2>would just be a hard now, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. And they also agreed to drive everyone six

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty miles north to end the festival, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, making sure their present kind of chaperoning, ensuring

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<v Speaker 1>everything goes fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, it sounds like they were actually pretty good parents.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, it does seem that way. So they made the

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<v Speaker 1>drives six hundred and thirty miles up to Southgate, Michigan.

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<v Speaker 2>Because that's a drive. That's like quite a road trip.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a long trip, and the group split into

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<v Speaker 1>different hotel rooms once they arrived. Mark Peterbrock took a

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<v Speaker 1>room for himself, Emma, Melanie and Debra shared one and

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<v Speaker 1>Richard stayed in one as well alone. Now, the strictly

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<v Speaker 1>for the Wickeds Festival was meant to be the highlight

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<v Speaker 1>of the trip, of course, right, That's what this whole

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<v Speaker 1>point is. The thing that brought Emma Nederbrook, Melanie Wells,

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<v Speaker 1>and Richard mccorsky together in person after months of online friendship.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what this was. It was the crescendo, if you will.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course it felt a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I have one really quick question too. Were Melanie

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<v Speaker 2>and Richard friends as well? Had they been talking online too?

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<v Speaker 3>Do we know?

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<v Speaker 1>As far as I'm aware, they probably knew who each

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<v Speaker 1>other were because they were, you know, both friends with Emma.

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<v Speaker 1>They're both in the same scene. But it was more

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<v Speaker 1>so Emma and Richard talking and Melanie and Emma talking.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So on September twelfth, two thousand and nine, the concert

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<v Speaker 1>featured a full lineup of artists, underground rappers, and everyone

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<v Speaker 1>on the scene. For Emma and Melanie, it was an

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<v Speaker 1>exciting chance to finally meet their favorite performers face to face.

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<v Speaker 1>For Richard, you know, he was hoping for a good

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<v Speaker 1>time with Emma. He saw the event as a milestone,

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<v Speaker 1>a romantic turning point, and this is when he and

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<v Speaker 1>Emma would you know, potentially finally become a couple. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's not what happened. From the moment the group arrived,

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<v Speaker 1>Richard could feel Emma pulling away. She wasn't mean or

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<v Speaker 1>confrontational to him, to be clear, she just was distant.

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<v Speaker 1>She chatted with other people, posed for photos, laughing with Melanie,

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<v Speaker 1>and barely acknowledged him. Really whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's got a hurt for him for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Other fans and artists at the show noticed too. One

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<v Speaker 1>of them later even said he never saw Emma with

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<v Speaker 1>Richard together the entire night. Richard had come all this

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<v Speaker 1>way only to feel completely invisible, dang which.

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<v Speaker 2>She already had felt in his life.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, to make things worse, Richard reportedly saw a message

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<v Speaker 1>on Emma's phone, something from another boy, someone expressing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>their love for her. Oh now, whether it was flirtation

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<v Speaker 1>or just a friend, it's hard to say, but for

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<v Speaker 1>Richard it was a gut punch. All the time, talking, planning, fantasizing, hoping.

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<v Speaker 1>He now felt betrayed, rejected, and foolish. It's important to

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<v Speaker 1>remember Richard had a history of being bullied, history of

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<v Speaker 1>being ignored just like you just mentioned, just a moment ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and being cast aside. He carried a lifetime of insecurities

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<v Speaker 1>on his back, and this felt like just an one

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<v Speaker 1>more humiliation piled on top of it all. But this

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<v Speaker 1>time it wasn't just happening at school or online. It

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<v Speaker 1>was happening in person, and in front of the one

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<v Speaker 1>person he thought he really who really understood him, and

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<v Speaker 1>in the community where he really felt safe.

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<v Speaker 2>Dang, yeah, this is not good.

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<v Speaker 1>After the concert, the group drove back to Virginia. The

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<v Speaker 1>energy in the car was tense and quiet. Everyone was tired,

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<v Speaker 1>probably coming down from the adrenaline of the event. But

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<v Speaker 1>Richard he was stewing. The more he sat with his feelings,

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<v Speaker 1>the more they seemed to twist and calcify into something

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<v Speaker 1>angry and resentful. By the time they got home, Richard

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<v Speaker 1>no longer saw Emma as a crush or even as

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<v Speaker 1>him on, someone who had embarrassed him, and somewhere inside

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<v Speaker 1>of him something snapped.

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<v Speaker 2>That would have been a fucking awkward car ride eh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. When they got home and Richard was feeling like this,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't lash out right away. Instead, he waited for

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect moment. Mark Niederbrock didn't stay at the house

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<v Speaker 1>after everyone returned home from the concert. Instead, he went

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<v Speaker 1>back to his own home in Hickenburg, Virginia, about thirty

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<v Speaker 1>miles or sorry, thirty minutes drive from Farmville. As I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier, Mark and Deborah had been divorced for about

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<v Speaker 1>nine months and they were living separate, so he left

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<v Speaker 1>the others Emma, Melanie, Richard, and Deborah at Deborah's house

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<v Speaker 1>to settle in and rest after the long drive. That night,

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<v Speaker 1>as the house grew quiet and everyone drifted off to sleep,

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<v Speaker 1>Richard got up. He picked a weapon, a twenty pound

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<v Speaker 1>splitting mall. So a splitting mall is like an axe

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<v Speaker 1>on steroids. It's super heavy and super wide, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>used to ensure you.

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<v Speaker 3>Split that wood.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>In the early hours of September fourteenth, two thousand and nine,

421
00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:32.359
<v Speaker 1>everyone was asleep. Melanie Wells was on the couch downstairs,

422
00:23:32.799 --> 00:23:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Doctor Debora Kelly had gone to bed in her room upstairs,

423
00:23:35.519 --> 00:23:40.759
<v Speaker 1>and Emma Niederbrock was in her bedroom on the main floor. Richard, meanwhile,

424
00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:45.240
<v Speaker 1>was awake and now carrying this heavy wood splitting mall

425
00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:50.079
<v Speaker 1>through the house. At around three am. He started with Melanie.

426
00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:55.240
<v Speaker 1>She never stood a chance. There were no defensive wounds,

427
00:23:55.400 --> 00:23:58.160
<v Speaker 1>no signs of a struggle. Richard raised the splitting mall

428
00:23:58.279 --> 00:24:00.880
<v Speaker 1>up over his head while she's laid sleeping on the

429
00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:04.640
<v Speaker 1>couch and struck her repeatedly in the head while she

430
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<v Speaker 1>was out.

431
00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh so, yeah, it just didn't like. There was no

432
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<v Speaker 2>way she knew what was coming.

433
00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:11.839
<v Speaker 1>No way, She's dead sleep in the couch and he

434
00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:15.599
<v Speaker 1>rained this twenty pounds splitting mall axe right on her head,

435
00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:17.519
<v Speaker 1>killing her in the den.

436
00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:21.039
<v Speaker 2>So she like that, She wouldn't have even screamed or anything.

437
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<v Speaker 3>Nope.

438
00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:25.799
<v Speaker 1>He then moved upstairs to Debra's room and attacked her

439
00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:31.440
<v Speaker 1>in the very same way Emma he saved for last shit.

440
00:24:32.359 --> 00:24:36.160
<v Speaker 1>One by one, he bludgeoned them to death, swift, brutal,

441
00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:41.319
<v Speaker 1>and silent, as they were sleeping. According to investigators, the

442
00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:44.599
<v Speaker 1>attack happened quickly and with no indication that any of

443
00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:48.359
<v Speaker 1>the victims woke up or realized what was happening. It

444
00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:51.680
<v Speaker 1>was though the house had remained perfectly still even as

445
00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:54.559
<v Speaker 1>something as unthinkable as that was unfolding.

446
00:24:54.920 --> 00:24:58.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, this is like such an escalation in my opinion. Yeah,

447
00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:00.440
<v Speaker 2>that he just snaps and all all of a sudden,

448
00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:03.240
<v Speaker 2>like has murdered three people, Like what the shit?

449
00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:08.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? For nearly four days, no one knew what happened

450
00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:12.720
<v Speaker 1>inside that wall the walls of that house. Friends were calling,

451
00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:15.599
<v Speaker 1>Melanie's parents were trying to reach her, and his social

452
00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:18.319
<v Speaker 1>media had gone quiet. But inside that white house on

453
00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:23.720
<v Speaker 1>First Avenue, Richard was living amongst the dead what, sleeping,

454
00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:26.680
<v Speaker 1>eating and trying to figure out what he was going.

455
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<v Speaker 3>To do next.

456
00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:29.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

457
00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:33.960
<v Speaker 1>He eventually moved Melanie into Emma's bedroom, and he cleaned

458
00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:36.039
<v Speaker 1>up parts of the house, or at least tried to.

459
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:38.720
<v Speaker 1>At one point, he even recorded a video of himself

460
00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:42.200
<v Speaker 1>speaking directly to whoever might find it. The smell eventually

461
00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:46.920
<v Speaker 1>became overwhelming. Neighbors noticed it, some assumed it was dead animals,

462
00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:49.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, hidden in a bush somewhere, and others brushed

463
00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:51.440
<v Speaker 1>it off. But Richard knew exactly what it was, and

464
00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:55.319
<v Speaker 1>he even admitted later that he really couldn't take it anymore.

465
00:25:56.200 --> 00:26:00.920
<v Speaker 1>But still he stayed. On September sixteenth, Melanie's family was

466
00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:05.000
<v Speaker 1>getting increasingly worried. Her phone was off, she wasn't answering messages.

467
00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:07.839
<v Speaker 1>Her mother, Kathleen Wells, called the house and managed to

468
00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:13.559
<v Speaker 1>speak to Richard, who calmly offered excuse after excuse. First

469
00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:15.880
<v Speaker 1>he said Melanie had gone out. Then he said she

470
00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:18.960
<v Speaker 1>and Emma were staying with Emma's father. None of it

471
00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:22.000
<v Speaker 1>just added up, but he was convincing enough to keep

472
00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:25.079
<v Speaker 1>people at bay, at least for a little while. What's

473
00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:29.640
<v Speaker 1>especially disturbing is that during this time, Richard was functioning

474
00:26:29.799 --> 00:26:32.759
<v Speaker 1>just enough to maintain the illusion that everything was just fine.

475
00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:37.160
<v Speaker 1>He texted people, answered calls, lied smoothly, all while living

476
00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:40.200
<v Speaker 1>in the house that had become a tomb. He didn't

477
00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:43.359
<v Speaker 1>seem to panic, he didn't seem to feel remorse. He

478
00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:45.920
<v Speaker 1>just existed there day after day, as if he was

479
00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:48.799
<v Speaker 1>waiting for someone else to decide what to happen next.

480
00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, because I thought he's supposed to be coming

481
00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:53.279
<v Speaker 2>up with a plan. Yeah, it's sure taken a while.

482
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<v Speaker 1>By the afternoon of September seventeenth, two thousand and nine,

483
00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:00.799
<v Speaker 1>three days after the first murders, Markneederbrock was getting worried.

484
00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:04.160
<v Speaker 1>He hadn't heard from his daughter Emma, or from Deborah

485
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:08.000
<v Speaker 1>or even Melanie. Melanie's mother, Kathleen, had been calling and

486
00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:10.680
<v Speaker 1>texting trying to get in touch, but nothing was coming back.

487
00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:13.799
<v Speaker 1>When she finally called Mark directly, he agreed to drive

488
00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:17.480
<v Speaker 1>to Deborah's house to go check in on them. Mark

489
00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:20.480
<v Speaker 1>had no idea that there was three people dead inside

490
00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:23.440
<v Speaker 1>that home, and he definitely didn't know that the man

491
00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:28.319
<v Speaker 1>responsible for their death was still inside as well. Mark

492
00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:31.680
<v Speaker 1>arrived at the house at around five pm. Richard was

493
00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:33.799
<v Speaker 1>still there and he was waiting.

494
00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:35.200
<v Speaker 2>Uh oh.

495
00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:37.480
<v Speaker 1>As soon as Mark walked through the door and it

496
00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:43.759
<v Speaker 1>closed behind him, Richard attacked, just like the others. Mark

497
00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:47.039
<v Speaker 1>never stood a chance. He was killed in the living room,

498
00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:51.039
<v Speaker 1>struck repeatedly in this with the same twenty pounds splitting

499
00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:52.400
<v Speaker 1>mall that Richard.

500
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:56.839
<v Speaker 2>Uiously, after that many days, the guy just still does

501
00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:01.279
<v Speaker 2>the same shit. Yep, Like there's no remorse and think, Okay,

502
00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:05.119
<v Speaker 2>there's no changing, Yeah thing you would think. I mean,

503
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:09.119
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't have a rapport like this of you know,

504
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:10.880
<v Speaker 2>murdering or like hurting people.

505
00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's no history of violence other than I mean,

506
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:18.640
<v Speaker 1>diving into the fantasy world of the horrors or the

507
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:20.640
<v Speaker 1>horror or horror cor genre.

508
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:23.920
<v Speaker 2>So you just think he'd realize what he actually did,

509
00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:27.119
<v Speaker 2>especially like living in this like smell and stuff, and

510
00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:29.200
<v Speaker 2>maybe have some remorse or be like fuck, like what

511
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:31.799
<v Speaker 2>did I do? Like oh my gosh, But then he

512
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:32.720
<v Speaker 2>just does it again.

513
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:34.880
<v Speaker 1>He does it again, and that's that's kind of like

514
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:36.680
<v Speaker 1>what I was saying with Like the scary part is

515
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:40.440
<v Speaker 1>like he's he's answering these calls, he's texting, and he's

516
00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:42.759
<v Speaker 1>living there. He's eating there, he's bathing there, all this

517
00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:45.119
<v Speaker 1>sort of stuff, just as if nothing's going on. He's

518
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:49.160
<v Speaker 1>not even worried he's gonna get caught because he's staying there. Huh,

519
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:53.160
<v Speaker 1>there's just zero feelings. I want to say zero remorse,

520
00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:56.079
<v Speaker 1>but it's just zero feelings and emotion period.

521
00:28:56.799 --> 00:28:59.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's almost I just thought this thought, like it's

522
00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:03.880
<v Speaker 2>almost like he he's living like an outer out of body

523
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:07.440
<v Speaker 2>experience variance or something like he's not actually there, you know, Yeah.

524
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:09.759
<v Speaker 1>That makes sense. Actually, yeah, I can see that good

525
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:14.960
<v Speaker 1>point now. After he murdered Mark, Richard dragged his body

526
00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:19.359
<v Speaker 1>up to Emma's bedroom and placed him there with the others.

527
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:21.319
<v Speaker 2>Which would not have been easy has grown man that

528
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:22.000
<v Speaker 2>he's dragging.

529
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:22.599
<v Speaker 3>Nope.

530
00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Now he did attempt to clean up some of the

531
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:29.160
<v Speaker 1>crime scenes a little bit, but kind of not very well,

532
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:31.519
<v Speaker 1>and he did so again in this time, but now

533
00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>there were four people dead in the house and Richard

534
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:38.200
<v Speaker 1>he still wasn't leaving. By the morning of September eighteenth,

535
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:42.799
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and nine, something finally gave Kathleen Wells, Melanie's mother,

536
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:46.480
<v Speaker 1>who had been trying to stay calm after days of

537
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:50.079
<v Speaker 1>no contact, a strange phone call with Richard mccorsky and

538
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:53.039
<v Speaker 1>a visit from Melanie's dad that yielded no answers and

539
00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:56.960
<v Speaker 1>responses from him. Afterwards, her concern turned into panic, and

540
00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:00.400
<v Speaker 1>she called the Farmville Police. She told them that her

541
00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:02.920
<v Speaker 1>daughter was missing, that something didn't feel right, and that

542
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:07.000
<v Speaker 1>she needed them to check the house. It was around

543
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:09.480
<v Speaker 1>three twenty pm when officers made their way to the

544
00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:13.039
<v Speaker 1>White House at five oh five First Avenue. The front

545
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:15.720
<v Speaker 1>door was unlocked, and the moment they stepped inside, the

546
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:19.519
<v Speaker 1>smell hit them like a brick wall. It wasn't something

547
00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:23.000
<v Speaker 1>you could ignore or mistake. It was the unmistakable, sickening

548
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:28.799
<v Speaker 1>odor of decomposition. It filled the air, thick and undeniable.

549
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:32.640
<v Speaker 1>The officers followed it through the house and then they

550
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:36.480
<v Speaker 1>found the bodies. Three were in Emma's room and one

551
00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:40.960
<v Speaker 1>was upstairs. Blood was absolutely everywhere.

552
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:42.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh no.

553
00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:46.319
<v Speaker 1>The crime scene was so brutal that dental records were

554
00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:49.039
<v Speaker 1>needed to later confirm the identities.

555
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:53.319
<v Speaker 2>Seriously, Yes, okay, that seems shocking to me.

556
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:57.359
<v Speaker 1>Well, he's taking a twenty pound splitting ball made to

557
00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:01.240
<v Speaker 1>split wood, and he's striking people repeatedly in the head

558
00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:03.759
<v Speaker 1>with it. It's going to split and.

559
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:08.519
<v Speaker 2>C oh okay, yeah, yes, but still you think like

560
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:14.000
<v Speaker 2>they're like body size and hair and stuff. Maybe I

561
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:14.400
<v Speaker 2>don't know.

562
00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:18.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, still, just to confirm the identities, maybe the family

563
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:20.440
<v Speaker 1>they're looking for is gone and this is other people.

564
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:22.480
<v Speaker 1>We need to be sure, right, yeah, And we can't

565
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:24.839
<v Speaker 1>be sure because hey, we don't know what they look

566
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:25.599
<v Speaker 1>like anymore.

567
00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:26.400
<v Speaker 2>Brutal.

568
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:33.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Emma, Deborah, Melanie and Mark had all died from

569
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:36.039
<v Speaker 1>massive blunt force trauma to the head. There were no

570
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:38.440
<v Speaker 1>signs of a struggle. No one had even woken up.

571
00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:41.400
<v Speaker 1>The medical examiner would confirm that each had been attacked

572
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:45.200
<v Speaker 1>in their sleep. Of course, Mark, who was surprised, but

573
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:48.400
<v Speaker 1>none of them had a chance of fighting back either way,

574
00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:52.839
<v Speaker 1>the house had become an absolute slaughterhouse. As news spread,

575
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:56.599
<v Speaker 1>the town of Farmville was rocked. Nothing like this had

576
00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:00.000
<v Speaker 1>ever happened here before. Parents hugged their kids tighter. Students

577
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:02.480
<v Speaker 1>at Longwood University were stunned to learn that one of

578
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:06.559
<v Speaker 1>their professors had been massacred. The church community more in

579
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:09.720
<v Speaker 1>the loss of their pastor, and a horror course scene.

580
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Thousands of miles away had been you know, just celebrating

581
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:18.039
<v Speaker 1>this big concert and everyone's buzzing online how great it

582
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:18.720
<v Speaker 1>was and everything.

583
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:20.960
<v Speaker 2>And they had just met them, right, everyone just had

584
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:23.319
<v Speaker 2>met Yeah, these three individuals, and.

585
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:26.680
<v Speaker 1>They're beginning to buzz with disbelief and rumors of the

586
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:30.319
<v Speaker 1>whole situation. By the time police discovered the bodies in

587
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:33.559
<v Speaker 1>September eighteenth, two thousand and nine, Richard was already gone.

588
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:34.920
<v Speaker 1>He was no longer in the house.

589
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:37.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh he did leave, He did leave, but.

590
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:41.279
<v Speaker 1>He hadn't gotten far. See, just hours earlier before police

591
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:43.400
<v Speaker 1>entered the house, he had tried to make his getaway

592
00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:48.079
<v Speaker 1>in Marknederbrook's two thousand Honda, but that didn't go well.

593
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:51.359
<v Speaker 1>At some point during the drive, Richard crashed a car

594
00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:55.160
<v Speaker 1>into a ditch near someone's driveway and police showed up.

595
00:32:56.119 --> 00:33:00.640
<v Speaker 1>They found him dirty, disoriented, and for whatever reason, he

596
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:02.160
<v Speaker 1>absolutely raaked.

597
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, so you know at one point you said

598
00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:08.559
<v Speaker 2>he was bathing. I don't know if he wasn't bathing,

599
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:11.839
<v Speaker 2>because we already know his like greasy hair and shit, he.

600
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:18.160
<v Speaker 1>Had the ability to bathe. However, because they didn't know

601
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:20.799
<v Speaker 1>yet about the murders, the officer simply issued him a

602
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:24.599
<v Speaker 1>summons for driving without a license. There was no arrest, made,

603
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:28.680
<v Speaker 1>no further questions, just another close call and he got away.

604
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:32.359
<v Speaker 1>From there, a tow truck driver picked up Richard and

605
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:35.440
<v Speaker 1>gave him a ride. That man later described the smell

606
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:40.400
<v Speaker 1>coming off Richard as unbearable, like death. I guess he

607
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:41.799
<v Speaker 1>had to keep his head up the window of the

608
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:44.440
<v Speaker 1>whole drive just to stop from gagging.

609
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit.

610
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:47.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he had no idea what Richard had done, and

611
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:52.599
<v Speaker 1>later to quote him quote he smelled like the devil. Eventually,

612
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Richard made his way to Richmond International Airport. He didn't

613
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:58.519
<v Speaker 1>have enough money to fly home, so he spent the

614
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:01.359
<v Speaker 1>night in the baggage claim area, trying to stay hidden.

615
00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:04.839
<v Speaker 1>But now police were catching up.

616
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, and I bet you the smell alone wasn't making him,

617
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:10.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, hidden hidden.

618
00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Once investigators identified the victims, they quickly connected the dots.

619
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:19.199
<v Speaker 1>Richard had been the fifth person in that house. He

620
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:21.880
<v Speaker 1>had flown in from California. He had been close with Emma,

621
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:25.599
<v Speaker 1>and now after four murders, he was missing. So a

622
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:30.800
<v Speaker 1>man hunt was launched immediately, and luckily it didn't last

623
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:34.000
<v Speaker 1>too long. A security guard with the internet or sorry

624
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:35.760
<v Speaker 1>at the airport, I was going to say international, but

625
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:39.119
<v Speaker 1>they hate they ain't flying international. The security guard at

626
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:42.480
<v Speaker 1>the airport had already flagged Richard as suspicious and had

627
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:46.480
<v Speaker 1>kept an eye on him. When police arrived, they found

628
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:49.199
<v Speaker 1>him still asleep near the baggage claim. It was the

629
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:53.519
<v Speaker 1>morning of September nineteenth. He didn't resist, he didn't even run.

630
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:55.840
<v Speaker 1>He was arrested on the spot.

631
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<v Speaker 2>He just knew there was no other end YEP.

632
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<v Speaker 1>At first, he he did refuse to cooperate with detectives.

633
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:05.400
<v Speaker 1>He was taken into custody and held that Pigment Regional Jail.

634
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:08.039
<v Speaker 1>He was placed on suicide watch, and for a while

635
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:11.519
<v Speaker 1>he refused to talk. But slowly the story began to

636
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:14.000
<v Speaker 1>come out, and much of it was confirmed by the

637
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:16.280
<v Speaker 1>video that he'd recorded. Before trying to flee, you know,

638
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:18.880
<v Speaker 1>the one that I kind of already mentioned now. In

639
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:21.599
<v Speaker 1>that video, Richard sits in front of the camera, shaky

640
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:24.400
<v Speaker 1>and rambling. He tells whoever finds it to tell his

641
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:27.519
<v Speaker 1>parents that he loves them. He apologizes to his friends

642
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:32.480
<v Speaker 1>and says he just snapped and now he's paying for it.

643
00:35:33.559 --> 00:35:38.519
<v Speaker 1>At first, it sounds almost like a suicide note guilt, regret, confusion.

644
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:41.519
<v Speaker 1>But the longer the video goes on, the less convincing

645
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:45.719
<v Speaker 1>it feels. His emotions seem to flatten out, almost like

646
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:50.880
<v Speaker 1>he's rehearsing a script rather than feeling genuine remorse. At

647
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.360
<v Speaker 1>one point, he even says he can't take the smell anymore,

648
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:56.280
<v Speaker 1>the smell of the dead bodies inside the home, and

649
00:35:56.360 --> 00:36:00.840
<v Speaker 1>he's been living among them for days. Privately told others

650
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:04.000
<v Speaker 1>that he had acted out of heartbreak and rage. He

651
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:08.000
<v Speaker 1>claimed he discovered flirty text messages on Emma's phone, something

652
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:12.000
<v Speaker 1>about another boy who said he loved her. Richard felt betrayed.

653
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:13.360
<v Speaker 1>He said that he thought that they were in a

654
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:16.159
<v Speaker 1>real relationship, that she had led him on, and then

655
00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:21.480
<v Speaker 1>the things didn't go how he imagined, so he just snapped. Later,

656
00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:24.719
<v Speaker 1>he would tell another inmate during a jailhouse conversation that

657
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:27.679
<v Speaker 1>he did feel remorse, that he didn't like talking about

658
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:31.239
<v Speaker 1>what happened, but he didn't offer much insight beyond that,

659
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:34.760
<v Speaker 1>gave no answers that truly made sense, nothing that could

660
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:37.960
<v Speaker 1>really explain how a young a young man mild manner

661
00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:42.280
<v Speaker 1>bullied obsessed with this niche music could go from writing

662
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:47.320
<v Speaker 1>angry lyrics to murdering for people with a splitting mall. Now,

663
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:50.000
<v Speaker 1>by the time Richard mccorsky was formally charged, the full

664
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:52.280
<v Speaker 1>weight of what he had done was clear. He was

665
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:55.840
<v Speaker 1>facing six counts of capital murder, four for the killings,

666
00:36:56.239 --> 00:36:59.320
<v Speaker 1>one for committing multiple murders in a single event, and

667
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:02.280
<v Speaker 1>another for you using a deadly weapon. He was also

668
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:06.599
<v Speaker 1>charged with robbery and grand larceny for sealing Marknederbrock's car.

669
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<v Speaker 1>The death penalty was very much so on the table

670
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:15.719
<v Speaker 1>m HM, but something unexpected happened. Instead of going to trial,

671
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Richard took a plea deal. On September twentieth, twenty ten,

672
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:24.480
<v Speaker 1>almost exactly a year after the murders took place, Richard

673
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:29.760
<v Speaker 1>pleaded guilty to all four murders. In exchange, prosecutors dropped

674
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:33.800
<v Speaker 1>the death penalty, and they sentenced him to life in prison.

675
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:39.159
<v Speaker 1>Exactly what he got was four life sentences plus an

676
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:43.880
<v Speaker 1>extra six hundred and twenty two years tacked on.

677
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:48.719
<v Speaker 2>You know that, I've never really thought about it. That's now,

678
00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:52.320
<v Speaker 2>like the death penalty isn't really on the table in

679
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:55.159
<v Speaker 2>a lot of areas so much anymore, right, Yeah, but

680
00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:58.199
<v Speaker 2>that is like a big bargaining chip. Yes, they probably

681
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:01.159
<v Speaker 2>used on like so many people, right, definitely.

682
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:03.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there the death penalty as far as I'm aware.

683
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Don't get me wrong, I could be incorrect on this,

684
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:07.440
<v Speaker 1>but as far as I'm aware, there are some states.

685
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.920
<v Speaker 2>It exists in some places, but like it's not near

686
00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:16.599
<v Speaker 2>as as prominent prominent in like everywhere, right for sure.

687
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:20.239
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, if it were more places, hey, it would

688
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:22.320
<v Speaker 1>be a big bargaining chip to ensure people stay at

689
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:25.119
<v Speaker 1>least stay behind bars often because you, hey, we're going

690
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:27.880
<v Speaker 1>to take a plea deal if you get rid of that. Yeah, well, yeah,

691
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:28.679
<v Speaker 1>I see what you're saying.

692
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:29.519
<v Speaker 3>Now.

693
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:31.679
<v Speaker 1>The families of the victim agreed to the plea as well.

694
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:35.199
<v Speaker 1>They didn't want to endure a long, painful trial and

695
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:37.480
<v Speaker 1>they didn't want to give Richard any more attention. Than

696
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:41.079
<v Speaker 1>he deserved. Fair enough, the facts were already overwhelming. There

697
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:43.360
<v Speaker 1>was no doubt he'd done it. What mattered now was

698
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:46.880
<v Speaker 1>that he would never be free again. When Richard walked

699
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:50.320
<v Speaker 1>out of that courtroom after sentencing, there was a brief

700
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:56.559
<v Speaker 1>moment he smirked, What the shit? It was quick, just

701
00:38:56.599 --> 00:39:01.159
<v Speaker 1>a flicker, but the cameras caught it. Attorney later said

702
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:06.559
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't pride, just nervousness for the families watching. Whatever

703
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:08.159
<v Speaker 1>it was, it's stung.

704
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:13.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, hey, this Yeah, he didn't seem like a

705
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:16.880
<v Speaker 2>monster when we were like initially talking about him. But

706
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:21.039
<v Speaker 2>now as obviously this progresses you very much, so is one.

707
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:25.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, none of Richard's family members showed up to the hearing,

708
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:30.079
<v Speaker 1>really none of them attended the funerals either. It's like

709
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:33.159
<v Speaker 1>they completely abandoned that Richard was even related.

710
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:35.559
<v Speaker 2>To them, and that parents didn't even fucking come to

711
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:39.360
<v Speaker 2>the trial nothing. Oh that almost kind of is really

712
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:40.360
<v Speaker 2>sad in a way.

713
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:46.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not only for Richard himself, but like he caused

714
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:50.840
<v Speaker 1>so much pain, he killed four people, his family didn't

715
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:54.119
<v Speaker 1>even go and show remorse for the actions he caused

716
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:56.360
<v Speaker 1>and pay respects to those casualties.

717
00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:00.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I can kind of understand them not going

718
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:03.800
<v Speaker 2>to the funerals per se, because I don't think that

719
00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:07.639
<v Speaker 2>the people at the funerals would necessarily want Richard's family there.

720
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:10.039
<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, but there was no letter sent, there was

721
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:12.920
<v Speaker 1>no reach out, no nothing. As far as I'm aware,

722
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:14.920
<v Speaker 1>it was just radio silence.

723
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:18.039
<v Speaker 2>They just like wiped their hands clean of Richard. Fully. Yes,

724
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:22.440
<v Speaker 2>oh okay, that I don't.

725
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:26.559
<v Speaker 1>Know that honestly speaks volume does into the life that

726
00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Richard had, kind of yeah, and potentially can say why

727
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:33.039
<v Speaker 1>he is the way he is, our way, why he

728
00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:35.480
<v Speaker 1>turned out that way, or why he snapped because he

729
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:40.239
<v Speaker 1>had clearly no one in his corner. No, he thought

730
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:42.440
<v Speaker 1>he had one person, and as it turned out, he

731
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:43.880
<v Speaker 1>still had no one.

732
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Like I usually don't feel bad for the fucking ascis

733
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:50.079
<v Speaker 2>of the case, and right now I'm feeling bad, and

734
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:52.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't like that because he did kill four people.

735
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:55.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I gotcha. I kind of feel bad for

736
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:57.800
<v Speaker 1>him too. He's still a douche Canoe. Oh honey, I

737
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.000
<v Speaker 1>still hate him, but I see what you're saying.

738
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:02.320
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I just you know, you hear all these

739
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:05.360
<v Speaker 2>stories and shit and people are in courtant stuff, but

740
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:09.199
<v Speaker 2>they still have like some people there for support and

741
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:13.679
<v Speaker 2>he just has no one. Yeah, damn, So like you

742
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:16.239
<v Speaker 2>cannot kind of understand because he thought Emma was his

743
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:18.880
<v Speaker 2>like one person and then she betrayed him, I guess,

744
00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:22.159
<v Speaker 2>and then she didn't even portray him, and he just

745
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:25.280
<v Speaker 2>he had this delusion of what they were when they weren't.

746
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:29.760
<v Speaker 1>Yes, he thought she betrayed him, but she didn't. Maybe

747
00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:31.920
<v Speaker 1>she was a little bit cold to him. Hey, sure,

748
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:35.000
<v Speaker 1>but that she has like she didn't do anything wrong.

749
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:38.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they didn't deserve what the hell happened or her.

750
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:39.360
<v Speaker 3>That's for sure.

751
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:41.400
<v Speaker 1>They're still friends. They still went and had a good

752
00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:45.719
<v Speaker 1>time at a music festival together, right, Like she wasn't mean,

753
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:47.880
<v Speaker 1>she didn't call him names. She was just having fun

754
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:49.159
<v Speaker 1>with other friends too.

755
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:52.199
<v Speaker 2>She didn't uninvite him on the trip. And shit, still

756
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:54.599
<v Speaker 2>they still gave him a place to stay and like

757
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:57.320
<v Speaker 2>fulfilled the agreement of what this was.

758
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:02.559
<v Speaker 1>Definitely so anyway, after sentencing, Richard was sentenced to Walling's

759
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Ridge State Prison, which is a high security facility on

760
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:09.400
<v Speaker 1>Big Stone in big Stone Gap, Virginia. He remains there

761
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:13.360
<v Speaker 1>to this day with no possibility of parole, for the

762
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:17.719
<v Speaker 1>rest of his life. He will remain behind bars now.

763
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:20.840
<v Speaker 1>The shockwaves from the Farmville murders didn't end with Richard's sentencing.

764
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:24.400
<v Speaker 1>What happened inside the quiet little White House left a

765
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:28.119
<v Speaker 1>permanent scar in the town, the horror core music scene,

766
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:32.800
<v Speaker 1>as well as the families. For Kathleen Wells, losing her

767
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:37.039
<v Speaker 1>daughter Melanie was unbearable. She'd done everything right, checked in, regularly,

768
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:40.880
<v Speaker 1>trusted people with her daughter. She followed her instincts when

769
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:44.360
<v Speaker 1>something felt wrong, but it still just wasn't enough. She

770
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:47.039
<v Speaker 1>was the first to raise the alarm after the horrors occurred,

771
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:50.760
<v Speaker 1>and yet for days no one truly knew what was unfolding.

772
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:57.199
<v Speaker 1>Marknederbrook's congregation at Walter's Presbyterian Church more in the loss

773
00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:01.159
<v Speaker 1>of a kind, thoughtful man who had quietly served his community.

774
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:04.199
<v Speaker 1>His colleagues remembered him not only as a pastor, but

775
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:07.480
<v Speaker 1>as someone who genuinely cared for people. He had simply

776
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:11.079
<v Speaker 1>gone to check on his daughter and never came back.

777
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:17.960
<v Speaker 1>At Longwood University, doctor Debra Kelly's colleagues and students were devastated.

778
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:22.760
<v Speaker 1>She'd been respected sociology professor, someone who had helped launch

779
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:26.960
<v Speaker 1>countless students into careers of criminal justice. To lose her

780
00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:30.239
<v Speaker 1>in such a violent way felt surreal, especially given how

781
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:34.280
<v Speaker 1>many lectures she'd likely given on crime and violence.

782
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:35.079
<v Speaker 3>Over the years.

783
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:39.400
<v Speaker 1>And then there's Emma. Emma Niterbrock, just sixteen years old,

784
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:42.719
<v Speaker 1>a homeschooled teen who loved music, makeup, and feeling like

785
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:46.360
<v Speaker 1>she belonged somewhere. She wasn't perfect, but what teenager is.

786
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:50.159
<v Speaker 1>But she had a future, She had people who loved her.

787
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:55.920
<v Speaker 1>She never saw this coming. The horrorcore community was also rattled.

788
00:43:56.320 --> 00:44:00.159
<v Speaker 1>Suddenly their niche music scene was on trial in the media.

789
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:03.760
<v Speaker 1>Artists were dragged in for interviews and forced to defend themselves,

790
00:44:03.800 --> 00:44:06.920
<v Speaker 1>their lyrics, and their fans. I can only imagine some

791
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:11.000
<v Speaker 1>artists writing about killing and murdering and now are on

792
00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:13.519
<v Speaker 1>trial and have to defend that it's just fantasy and

793
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:17.920
<v Speaker 1>not real. Some pushed back hard, saying that whatever Richard

794
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:20.880
<v Speaker 1>did had nothing to do with their music. Others were

795
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:24.519
<v Speaker 1>left questioning how someone so deeply embedded in their niche

796
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:28.119
<v Speaker 1>music world could have done something so horrific. There were

797
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:31.440
<v Speaker 1>even people strangers on the Internet who began to treat

798
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:34.800
<v Speaker 1>Richard like some sort of dark celebrity, because hey, there's

799
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:38.239
<v Speaker 1>always people like that. We even covered one recently where

800
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:42.719
<v Speaker 1>someone was, hey, you know, treating murderers like idols.

801
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:44.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

802
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:47.079
<v Speaker 1>They shared his songs, his photos and wrote things like

803
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:51.039
<v Speaker 1>free Psycho Sam, as if he were just a misunderstood

804
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:55.079
<v Speaker 1>anti hero. But those voices were very few and far between.

805
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Most people were disgusted. Most saw him for what he was,

806
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:05.440
<v Speaker 1>a murderer and a douche canoe. Years later, another intimate

807
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.159
<v Speaker 1>sorry inmate, not intimate, I.

808
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Was like, what the fuck, where's this turning?

809
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:13.360
<v Speaker 1>No, this stumbling with this little thing of my tue

810
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:13.960
<v Speaker 1>bugging me.

811
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:14.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

812
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:17.679
<v Speaker 1>Another inmate who briefly shared a cell with Richard described

813
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:22.840
<v Speaker 1>him as quiet, respectful, and remorseful, but also creepy. He

814
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:26.400
<v Speaker 1>said Richard gave him life advice, told him to control

815
00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:29.599
<v Speaker 1>his impulses, warned him not to follow the same path.

816
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:33.000
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to know how much of that was genuine

817
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:35.360
<v Speaker 1>or just someone trying to rewrite their own legacy from

818
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:40.199
<v Speaker 1>inside a cell, but regardless. Now, the Farmville murders didn't

819
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:44.559
<v Speaker 1>just steal four lives. They shattered families, stunned a community,

820
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:47.639
<v Speaker 1>and left behind a story that still doesn't quite make

821
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:49.920
<v Speaker 1>any sense no matter how many times you go over

822
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:54.199
<v Speaker 1>the facts. There were no elaborate plans, no manifestos, no

823
00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:58.039
<v Speaker 1>clear warning signs that Richard mccorsky would turn violent. He

824
00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:01.000
<v Speaker 1>was awkward, quiet and a loner, sure, but not someone

825
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:04.679
<v Speaker 1>most people would peg is dangerous. In the years since

826
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.719
<v Speaker 1>the story was a story has continued to resurface in

827
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:10.679
<v Speaker 1>true crime spaces like this episode you're listening to now.

828
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:14.559
<v Speaker 1>For some, it's a cautionary tale about meeting people online.

829
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:18.679
<v Speaker 1>For others, it's about the importance of paying attention to loneliness, isolation,

830
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:24.039
<v Speaker 1>and obsession. The truth is, it's probably a little bit

831
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:27.440
<v Speaker 1>of all of that, but more than anything, it's about loss.

832
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:34.039
<v Speaker 1>Four people with full lives and futures are gone. A mother,

833
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:40.159
<v Speaker 1>a father, a daughter, a friend. The holy lift behind

834
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:43.239
<v Speaker 1>in their families will never really close. And that house

835
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:46.840
<v Speaker 1>on First Avenue once just another quiet home in Farmville,

836
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:51.599
<v Speaker 1>it's now become a place where people would remember for

837
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:56.199
<v Speaker 1>a long time, and for all the wrong reasons. As

838
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<v Speaker 1>for Richard mccorsky, as I mentioned, he'll spend the rest

839
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<v Speaker 1>of his life behind bars. He won't get to enjoy music.

840
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:06.800
<v Speaker 1>You won't get to enjoy concerts, no online following, just silence,

841
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<v Speaker 1>And maybe that's the only fitting ending to a story

842
00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:14.480
<v Speaker 1>that was never really supposed to happen in the first place,

843
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:19.400
<v Speaker 1>with him locked away away from all of this so

844
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:23.840
<v Speaker 1>he can't harm anyone else. And that's the story of

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<v Speaker 1>the Farmful murders.

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00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:30.679
<v Speaker 2>Damn. Hey, yeah, that is a fucking story.

847
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:33.599
<v Speaker 1>It's a bit of a rough one because it comes

848
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<v Speaker 1>out of nowhere.

849
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:38.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like no one would see that coming to

850
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:41.119
<v Speaker 2>that extent, and even.

851
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Looking in hindsight, you can't see it coming because there's

852
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:46.079
<v Speaker 1>a lot of things where it's like hindsight's twenty twenty. Yeah,

853
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:47.960
<v Speaker 1>you look back on it now, Oh that makes sense.

854
00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh should have seen that. Oh if only we did this.

855
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:53.920
<v Speaker 1>There's none of that in this, not a single fucking thing.

856
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, not to the point, yeah, of him like just

857
00:47:56.199 --> 00:48:00.639
<v Speaker 2>murdering three people and then days later murdering and one.

858
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

859
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:06.679
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's shocking, and honestly, this sort of shit

860
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:09.400
<v Speaker 2>does happen. It seems like in small towns, Like when

861
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:12.920
<v Speaker 2>you started this podcast and you were like describing Farmville,

862
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:16.840
<v Speaker 2>it's Farmville, right, yeah, and like I'm like, okay, yeah,

863
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:19.639
<v Speaker 2>we've heard this before. It it's like setting the tone

864
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:22.320
<v Speaker 2>of this like small community, everyone knows each other and

865
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:25.119
<v Speaker 2>then it's like, oh boy, shit's about to go down.

866
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:27.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it does go down, but it's not like

867
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:29.480
<v Speaker 1>it's something that you generally think is going to happen

868
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:30.239
<v Speaker 1>in a small.

869
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Town now, but it does happen.

870
00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, it happens everywhere, but the odds are in your

871
00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:40.960
<v Speaker 1>favor for it to not happen likely or not happen

872
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:43.159
<v Speaker 1>very often, or yeah, like you saying, be less likely.

873
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:45.239
<v Speaker 1>Like if you go to a big city, it's like

874
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:49.360
<v Speaker 1>people unfortunately, they get murdered on almost the daily, whereas

875
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:52.519
<v Speaker 1>a small town like Farmville, this is the first occurrence. Yeah,

876
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:54.519
<v Speaker 1>first of it's kind anyways.

877
00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:56.000
<v Speaker 2>And I guess it can kind of be a bit

878
00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:58.920
<v Speaker 2>more of a story because it is still shocking and stuff.

879
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:03.920
<v Speaker 2>People expect sort of shit to happen in bigger communities cities,

880
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:05.119
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, exactly.

881
00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:07.639
<v Speaker 1>The biggest thing that happens in small towns like this is, hey,

882
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:11.159
<v Speaker 1>you know the farmer's markets starting this weekend. That's the

883
00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:14.559
<v Speaker 1>sort of thing they expect. Yeah, not Oh, four people

884
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:17.960
<v Speaker 1>slaughtered with a twenty pounds splitting mall, and the murderer

885
00:49:18.039 --> 00:49:20.599
<v Speaker 1>stayed in the house for four days with the decomposing

886
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:23.280
<v Speaker 1>bodies and then went and tried to sleep at the airport,

887
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:27.079
<v Speaker 1>waking of decomp Oh. By the way, he also was

888
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:29.920
<v Speaker 1>caught by police a day before or sorry, like hours

889
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:31.960
<v Speaker 1>before the bodies were found, and they let him go.

890
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:36.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, you know, the one saving grace for me

891
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:39.400
<v Speaker 2>is that for some reason, the sun is coming through

892
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:41.960
<v Speaker 2>the window and just like warming my back and it

893
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:45.840
<v Speaker 2>feels so lovely. That's how I got through this case

894
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:49.400
<v Speaker 2>fair enough, because that was that was like an emotional,

895
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:49.960
<v Speaker 2>tough one.

896
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:53.920
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it was very emotional. And I don't

897
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:56.519
<v Speaker 1>think that Emma did anything wrong. I don't think hey,

898
00:49:56.599 --> 00:49:59.679
<v Speaker 1>maybe she led him on a little bit. Sure if

899
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:02.400
<v Speaker 1>we I don't know if they have you know, published,

900
00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:05.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, the chat log between them, But if we

901
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:08.039
<v Speaker 1>were to look at it and probably say, because I'm

902
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:10.320
<v Speaker 1>going to assume that there was some flirtatious stuff back

903
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:13.760
<v Speaker 1>and forth, oh yeah, honestly, So if we say that

904
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:15.639
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of flirtatious stuff, hey, you know what,

905
00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:18.800
<v Speaker 1>maybe even crossing the line saying that there was some

906
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:22.079
<v Speaker 1>some sexting or something just for the argument's sake. I'm

907
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:24.960
<v Speaker 1>not saying that there was factually just for the argument's sake,

908
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:29.320
<v Speaker 1>say things got that far? She owes him. None of

909
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:31.199
<v Speaker 1>that in the real world or person or in person.

910
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:33.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, the only thing that maybe could have

911
00:50:33.559 --> 00:50:36.039
<v Speaker 2>been happening. The thing is she's so young, though, but

912
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:39.400
<v Speaker 2>like a conversation perhaps, right.

913
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but.

914
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:43.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

915
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:46.119
<v Speaker 1>She was still nice, still friends. She was just like, oh,

916
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:48.000
<v Speaker 1>this isn't the same dude, This isn't the dude I

917
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:51.239
<v Speaker 1>thought he was. Did she lead him on a bit?

918
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:53.159
<v Speaker 1>Potentially a bit.

919
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:56.440
<v Speaker 2>In that he got way too invested I think too rite,

920
00:50:56.559 --> 00:50:59.719
<v Speaker 2>So you almost wonder if something well, I mean something

921
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:01.400
<v Speaker 2>to was off with him.

922
00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:05.679
<v Speaker 1>So well, even still say that she let him on,

923
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:11.159
<v Speaker 1>like through and through for the argument's sake, Okay, people

924
00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:14.119
<v Speaker 1>can still reject other people. People can still say, no,

925
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:17.199
<v Speaker 1>it's not her fault that he was so invested, Like

926
00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:19.400
<v Speaker 1>you say, you got to learn to be you don't

927
00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:21.719
<v Speaker 1>take a punch on the on the cheek, you know,

928
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:24.639
<v Speaker 1>water off a duct's back if you can't get through

929
00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:28.159
<v Speaker 1>life being rejected for what I'm assuming probably the first time.

930
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:31.400
<v Speaker 2>He's already been rejected though, like by everyone else in

931
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:32.960
<v Speaker 2>his life, is the thing, right.

932
00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:36.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming that this is probably the first like romantic

933
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:36.840
<v Speaker 1>rejection though.

934
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but also okay, I'm like, in no way on

935
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:45.079
<v Speaker 2>his side whatsoever. Like his actions were horrible, unnecessary, but

936
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:48.079
<v Speaker 2>like it would be pretty terrible to go to someone's

937
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:51.599
<v Speaker 2>house and to be that excited and shit and then

938
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:54.639
<v Speaker 2>kind of be like it was awkward. I think, like

939
00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:57.639
<v Speaker 2>because you know, she she was nice, but she wasn't

940
00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:00.000
<v Speaker 2>like warm and like you said, she was a bit

941
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:02.400
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, like that would be kind of awkward.

942
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:05.480
<v Speaker 1>It would be, But put it in the perspective of

943
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:09.360
<v Speaker 1>you're also going to a whole ass music festival filled

944
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:12.800
<v Speaker 1>with people that you probably talked with online. She's not

945
00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:15.800
<v Speaker 1>the only one. Yeah, you can still enjoy yourself. Sure,

946
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:18.280
<v Speaker 1>maybe there's some awkward times. Sure, maybe you got rejected

947
00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:21.360
<v Speaker 1>and you don't have the girlfriend you thought, you know what,

948
00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:22.599
<v Speaker 1>take it on the chin.

949
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:26.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean I think what probably should have

950
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:27.679
<v Speaker 2>happened is he just should have met them at the

951
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:31.800
<v Speaker 2>at the event. You know, might have been the better,

952
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:34.039
<v Speaker 2>the better way of doing.

953
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:36.000
<v Speaker 1>It, But I mean probably, But I don't think there's

954
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:37.360
<v Speaker 1>anything wrong with them, you know, meeting.

955
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh you're having a road trap. No, like, none of this,

956
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:43.199
<v Speaker 2>No one, I mean, no one other than Richard did

957
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:46.159
<v Speaker 2>anything wrong a greed, So it just sucks.

958
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:49.039
<v Speaker 1>It sucks, It does suck. He just needed to, hey,

959
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:51.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, pull up his big boy pants and get

960
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:53.840
<v Speaker 1>on with his life, but he couldn't do that. Instead

961
00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:55.760
<v Speaker 1>he fucking killed four people.

962
00:52:57.840 --> 00:52:59.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

963
00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I know I'm angry with him because well.

964
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, rightfully so. And then now he's just and okay,

965
00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:08.320
<v Speaker 2>the fact that he's in bars forever I do like

966
00:53:08.679 --> 00:53:12.440
<v Speaker 2>because all more times than not, it's like, oh, they

967
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:16.360
<v Speaker 2>can apparol in frickin ten years, twenty five years, whatever, Right,

968
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:18.760
<v Speaker 2>so at least we know he's not going to hurt

969
00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:21.199
<v Speaker 2>anyone else, locked up for life.

970
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, thank you for being here. We appreciate you.

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00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:24.159
<v Speaker 2>Guys.

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00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:25.519
<v Speaker 1>If you want to check out all our links in

973
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:27.440
<v Speaker 1>the description of the podcast, if you want to give

974
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:30.360
<v Speaker 1>us a review, we appreciate that. Hopefully my slurring and

975
00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:33.880
<v Speaker 1>stumbling in this episode is still enough I get a five.

976
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Star from you, considering you did pretty good.

977
00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:38.199
<v Speaker 1>I think so I do. Oh, thank you, I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>I do have to say this, this coffee was kind

979
00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:43.719
<v Speaker 1>of soothing. Once in a while, I was like reading

980
00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:45.960
<v Speaker 1>the script and my mind was ahead of like my tongue.

981
00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:48.000
<v Speaker 1>My tongue was like a split second behind of what

982
00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:50.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to say. So then I'd take like a

983
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:52.079
<v Speaker 1>sip of coffee and it would almost like soothe it

984
00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:54.480
<v Speaker 1>for a minute and my tongue could catch up, if

985
00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:58.400
<v Speaker 1>that makes sense. Yeah, but anyways, we appreciate you guys

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00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:02.599
<v Speaker 1>being here and as always, next time, stay Wicked.