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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Destiny.

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<v Speaker 2>Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey, this is Cliff,

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<v Speaker 2>your host of Destiny. How you doing. Welcome and come

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<v Speaker 2>on in and have a chair. Let's talk a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit about this week's program. I have to say what

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<v Speaker 2>a great group of explorers we had on our Guatemala tour.

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<v Speaker 2>Just finished it. It was spectacular two weeks of exploration.

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<v Speaker 2>Be on the lookout for a special edition where I

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<v Speaker 2>talk with a number of the regional Guatemalan archaeologists. Their

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<v Speaker 2>perspective on energy, temple energy, pyramid energy is much much

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<v Speaker 2>different than Western archaelogists, and I have to say I

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<v Speaker 2>was pleasantly surprised and really astonished at what they believe

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<v Speaker 2>that what has been handed down through the generations on

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<v Speaker 2>pyramid tech. And if you want to see some of

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<v Speaker 2>the photographs that were taking go to Earth Ancient's Facebook

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<v Speaker 2>page and you'll see t call, You'll see a number

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<v Speaker 2>of other sites, and you'll see some individuals that were

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<v Speaker 2>with us, including archaeological experts in the form of archaeologists.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there's a special edition, there's a program that will

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<v Speaker 2>add what we have some small clips from various people

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<v Speaker 2>that were on the tour, Guatemala is much different than Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>The biggest issue is the biggest difference is that you

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<v Speaker 2>can actually engage with the pyramids. You can actually climb them,

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<v Speaker 2>you can sit and meditate. Most of the time we

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<v Speaker 2>were at larger pyramids, those that our two hundred feet

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<v Speaker 2>or taller. We attempted, in many cases succeeded in climbing

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<v Speaker 2>to the top and doing meditation circles. And when you're

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<v Speaker 2>sitting on top of those pyramids, they are generating toleric

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<v Speaker 2>energy and pushing it out all over the place, and

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<v Speaker 2>so you're sitting on a battery in a way. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still processing exactly what we experienced, but I would

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<v Speaker 2>say at most of the sites that we were able

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<v Speaker 2>to ascend climb the pyramids, we were engaged with energy,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can't do that in Mexico. You cannot engage

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<v Speaker 2>with pyramids, you cannot engage with temples. They've banned people

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<v Speaker 2>from doing ceremony, They've banned people from doing meditation. They've

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<v Speaker 2>even banned for most of the country shaman, the native

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<v Speaker 2>indigenous population, from doing ceremonial programs. And that is just crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think I've been talking about this now for

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<v Speaker 2>a few years. This has to do with the church.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not the government. This is the church stepping

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<v Speaker 2>in and saying we do not want people to engage

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<v Speaker 2>in higher levels of consciousness. We do not want them

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<v Speaker 2>to become powerful and aware and self guided. We do

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<v Speaker 2>not want that. So we are going to close this down.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's done a terrible injustice, not only to the

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<v Speaker 2>indigenous populations, but for anybody who's traveling down there now.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the ways to get around that is to

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<v Speaker 2>find recently excavated and open sites, and that's those are

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<v Speaker 2>places that haven't been coordinated with the government or with

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<v Speaker 2>the church, and so you can go and you can

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<v Speaker 2>climb stuff and meditate. You can actually meditate, but you

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<v Speaker 2>can meditate at the base. You cannot climb pyramids. I

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<v Speaker 2>was shocked last year when we were in Yucatam. And

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite site is Ushmol on the western edge of

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<v Speaker 2>the peninsula. It's one of the golden sites of the Maya,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the last sites, and it has a very

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<v Speaker 2>special energy. And the way you contact it is you

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<v Speaker 2>climb the great pyramid. You set up on top for

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<v Speaker 2>you know, fifteen to twenty minutes, and you're bathed in

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<v Speaker 2>this energy. Well, you can't climb that pyramid anymore. And

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<v Speaker 2>the Great Pyramid is beautifully reconditioned. It's made for you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people to climb on and engage, but it's off limits.

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<v Speaker 2>So I can recommend Guatemala very freely. The people are warm,

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<v Speaker 2>the hotels are wonderful. I will say this though. When

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<v Speaker 2>we flew into Guatemala City, I didn't realize it was

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<v Speaker 2>five thousand feet above sea level. And I am very

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<v Speaker 2>sensitive to high elevations, and so I had a tough

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<v Speaker 2>time at tel. And thank you Brad Toy for handing

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<v Speaker 2>me some candies that he had returned from Peru. And

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<v Speaker 2>these candies contain coca leaf. And when you're chewing or

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<v Speaker 2>sucking on a candy with coca leaves, your body is acclimating.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't get high. It's not like snorting cocaine or

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<v Speaker 2>chewing cocaine. It is the leaf that changes your metabolism

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<v Speaker 2>so that you can adapt better. And I had I

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<v Speaker 2>think Brad gave me ten of these things. It is

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<v Speaker 2>as a savior. It saved me because I'm having a

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<v Speaker 2>hard time slavying and having a hard time meditane. I

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<v Speaker 2>just it takes me a long time to acclimate. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just getting older and sensitive, but I really appreciate it

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<v Speaker 2>that Brad, so thank you. And that's something to think

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<v Speaker 2>about if and you can't get this stuff across the

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<v Speaker 2>online because it's illegal in the States and it's probably

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<v Speaker 2>illegal in Mexico. But I'll tell you, if you have

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<v Speaker 2>any sensitivity to high elevations like I do, those those candies,

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<v Speaker 2>those dried coca leave candies are a miracle. They are

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<v Speaker 2>a miracle. I actually looked it up, and people use

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<v Speaker 2>them quite regularly when they go to Lima, when they

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<v Speaker 2>go not Lima, when they go to Peru or Cusco

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<v Speaker 2>or machu Picco. It's a way to acclimate. So there

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<v Speaker 2>you go. I was very happy to have those candies

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<v Speaker 2>along with me. So great tour. Look for the special

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<v Speaker 2>edition with a number of very special guests that describe

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<v Speaker 2>t call and describe the experience that people are having

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<v Speaker 2>when they engage with pyramids. Today's program is very is

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<v Speaker 2>very appropriate. Seeking Your the title of the book is

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<v Speaker 2>Seeking Your Loved One. On the other side, this is

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<v Speaker 2>with doctor Matthew McKay. We've had Matthew on before and

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<v Speaker 2>this is about lost loved ones, lost friends, and the

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<v Speaker 2>holidays are just really hard on people who have recently

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<v Speaker 2>loved a parent, a child, a friend, and those who

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<v Speaker 2>have lost people that are thinking about their passing. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a way to communicate with those people to feel connected,

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<v Speaker 2>to feel their love, to feel support, and communicate with him.

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<v Speaker 2>The title of the book again is Seeking Your Loved

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<v Speaker 2>One on the other Side, Communications with the Invisible Universe.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is an important book and very very easy

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<v Speaker 2>to follow to connect with someone who has departed. And

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<v Speaker 2>I know how people feel. You know, you lose a friend,

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<v Speaker 2>you lose a parent or a child or someone that

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<v Speaker 2>you're close to, and it's just wrenching during Christmas time

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<v Speaker 2>because you're missing them. You're sitting and you're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like wallowing and self pity. It's tough. It's really really tough.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think you're gonna like this. The techniques are

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<v Speaker 2>very easy to learn. These are techniques that are ancestors used.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other theme on this program is how our

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<v Speaker 2>ancestors work with the dead to understand their physicality, to

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<v Speaker 2>understand what happens when we pass over into death. And

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<v Speaker 2>also it's a form of evolution when we are communicating

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<v Speaker 2>with the souls of our departed loved ones and friends.

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<v Speaker 2>that you can work with to better your life. This

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<v Speaker 2>get together with loved ones and friends, but it's also

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<v Speaker 2>difficult if you've lost someone. If you've had a friend

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<v Speaker 2>pass away or a relative, it can really hurt and

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<v Speaker 2>make you feelings feel sad and lonely. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>I have a suggestion. We have a returning guest that

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<v Speaker 2>may be a way to connect with your departed friend

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<v Speaker 2>or family member. We're talking about a new book called

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<v Speaker 2>Seeking Your Loved One on the other Side, Communications with

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<v Speaker 2>the Invisible Universe. My returning guest this week is doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Matthew McKay. He is a clinical psychologist and professor at

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<v Speaker 2>Wright Institute, founder of the Berkeley CBT Clinic, and He

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<v Speaker 2>has written a number of books on the death of

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<v Speaker 2>his son Jordan and techniques on communicating with Jordan, which

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<v Speaker 2>are included in this new book. So, Matt, welcome back

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<v Speaker 2>to Destiny've got to have you on the program.

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<v Speaker 1>Great to be with you, Cliff, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a tough time for people who have had

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<v Speaker 2>lost loved ones, isn't it? Christmas? The holidays?

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<v Speaker 3>It's just and it's an ache that people experience all

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<v Speaker 3>year round, and yet at the holidays there's this marked

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<v Speaker 3>absence of this human that we've loved and is no

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<v Speaker 3>longer there at the table, is no longer there to

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<v Speaker 3>greet us, to hug us, to celebrate and eat with us.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's just, you know, it adds to the pain.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, talk a little bit about Jordan. Of course, we

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<v Speaker 2>know that he passed away, it's been almost ten years now.

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<v Speaker 2>But you were distraught. You and your wife were very

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<v Speaker 2>upset and were seeking ways to communicate with him, not

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<v Speaker 2>really knowing where to go. But was what was going

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<v Speaker 2>on with you personally at Matt. Was it the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that you were just so distraught and upset that you

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<v Speaker 2>just were out of your mind with wanting to know

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<v Speaker 2>how he was talk a little bit about his Jordan's passing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he died suddenly. He was assaulted on the street

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<v Speaker 3>in San Francisco by four men and he was shot

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<v Speaker 3>in the back and died on the street. And so

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we were completely unprepared for losing him. But

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<v Speaker 3>I think my reaction, in Judy's reaction, it was the

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<v Speaker 3>same I suspect as many parents who've lost a child

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<v Speaker 3>and that is too desperately want to know does that

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<v Speaker 3>humans still exist? Does that person that we love still exist?

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<v Speaker 3>And if so, are they okay? You know, how are

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<v Speaker 3>they wherever they are residing now on the other side.

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<v Speaker 3>And so those were the questions that just were so

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<v Speaker 3>compelling to me and drove me to keep looking for answers,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. And like a lot of people, I started

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<v Speaker 3>out with mediums. Talk to Felix Lherma, the famous medium

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<v Speaker 3>in San Francisco, Boston Wells, and I had the experience

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<v Speaker 3>of there listening to Jordan and then conveying to me

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<v Speaker 3>what he was saying. But it was not a conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>It was I mean, at best it was one sided,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was it was a feeling of wanting to

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<v Speaker 3>know more, but also wanting to say something myself and

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<v Speaker 3>and and engage with him. And so I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>appreciated them, and I value them, Tilly Austin Wells, who's

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<v Speaker 3>meant a lot to me. But I was left with

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<v Speaker 3>this sense of, yeah, maybe he's there. I hope this

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<v Speaker 3>is true. But I had no way of really communicating

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<v Speaker 3>directly with him. So that was a big, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and it blew my mind. I heard Jordan and he

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<v Speaker 3>So that was a great experience and very profound, and

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<v Speaker 2>And we're going to talk about Ralph Metzer's work here

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<v Speaker 2>in a second, but that if you got the relief

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<v Speaker 3>about fifty sixty percent of them actually do have induced

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<v Speaker 3>have a conversation because this is still one sided. Jordan

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't engaging. And you know, he and I had

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<v Speaker 3>hundreds and hundreds of conversations in life, sitting around the

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<v Speaker 2>You had a very communicative relationship, is what it sounds like.

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<v Speaker 3>We did and we still do. And what I was

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<v Speaker 3>we could talk to each other. I could ask questions,

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<v Speaker 3>he could ask me questions. We could talk as much

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I also want to ask you, because I know

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of times, why did your wife find relief

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<v Speaker 2>in the mediumship? In you? Not it was just the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that you were on the science side of it,

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<v Speaker 2>you weren't getting the satisfaction that you needed. Or was

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<v Speaker 2>it just that you wanted to move beyond mediumship and

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things that it's just sort of become

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<v Speaker 3>means to communicate and connect with us. And for Judy,

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<v Speaker 3>she could feel Jordan's presence in her body and she

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<v Speaker 3>of things that that doesn't necessarily involve language, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>I'm different, I need lang. I communicate via language and

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<v Speaker 3>Jordan has been willing and able to communicate to me

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<v Speaker 3>via words, and so I've ended up relying more on that,

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<v Speaker 3>and she has continued to feel his presence as she

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<v Speaker 3>first I think did in a session with Austin. So

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<v Speaker 3>we have different and I see this over and over

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<v Speaker 3>teach them how to do channeling, they often get messages differently.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of them get messages as images it's just pictures.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of them get messages as words, of course, sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>as just not knowing without words. So the messages show

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<v Speaker 3>up in different ways, and sometimes physical just the experience

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<v Speaker 3>of that person actually merging in their body and they

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<v Speaker 3>can feel it, that soul inside of them. So there

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<v Speaker 3>are these different ways show up for us, and for me,

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<v Speaker 3>Jordan has shown up with language, with words, and those

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I want to get into the training that you

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<v Speaker 2>were given by Ralph Metzner here in a second. But

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<v Speaker 2>did have you and did you have dreams with Jordan

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<v Speaker 2>and your wife have dreams where you were communicating with

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<v Speaker 2>him at all? Because you mentioned this in the book

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<v Speaker 2>and I think this is something that a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>having dreams of departed loved ones, usually right after they've

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, Yes, the answer is yes. And I

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<v Speaker 3>would say the majority of people have some very profound

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<v Speaker 3>And and a visitation that occurs during a dream or

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<v Speaker 3>a number of dreams and visitations where Jordan was uh

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<v Speaker 3>another dream, uh, he was leading me into a library

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<v Speaker 3>of of of where souls on the other side live

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<v Speaker 3>and a place of truth and letting me know that

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<v Speaker 3>So, I've had over the years quite a few of

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<v Speaker 3>the you know, And there's a difference there. Some of

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<v Speaker 3>this this vividness of a visitation. I had one a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of nights ago, hugging him and I could feel

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<v Speaker 3>that again, dreams for me don't usually include. So yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's one of the ways that so it's

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<v Speaker 3>that we might not be able to have otherwise.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, really the beauty of your book, Matt is the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that you want to help people develop a technique

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<v Speaker 2>to communicate with departed loved ones and friends. And can

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<v Speaker 2>you explain why this is important? Why the afterlife isn't

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<v Speaker 2>just another place to go that in your belief and

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<v Speaker 2>I think also our ancestors, working with the dearly departed

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<v Speaker 2>or the dead is part of living, right.

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<v Speaker 3>It's you know, what you're saying is really important because

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<v Speaker 3>what Jordan has taught me is that the relationship between

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<v Speaker 3>the living and the dead, and the love that exists

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<v Speaker 3>between the living and the dead is absolutely unbreakable. And

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<v Speaker 3>uh and so and we don't realize that we you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the person has gone, We don't see them, we can't

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<v Speaker 3>touch them and we had We don't realize, as Ralph

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<v Speaker 3>told me, that they're just a thought away, that we

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<v Speaker 3>can actually open the channel and communicate with them just

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<v Speaker 3>by a simple act of intention. I want to talk

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<v Speaker 3>to Jordan, and when I say that, and when I

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<v Speaker 3>think of him with love, I'm starting to open the channel.

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<v Speaker 3>And we don't realize that. You know, we think of

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<v Speaker 3>and loss, and and we don't even have the understanding

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<v Speaker 3>that that very moment in which we're thinking king of

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<v Speaker 3>them with love is opening the channel and we could

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<v Speaker 3>use the channel by asking them questions and engaging in

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<v Speaker 3>a conversation. And so it's kind of it's interesting that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we're actually in many cases opening the channel

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<v Speaker 3>all the time, but not thinking to actually engage with

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<v Speaker 3>the loved one in an active, present moment way of

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<v Speaker 3>asking questions and receiving answers. And that's what Ralph taught me.

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<v Speaker 3>He taught me how to channel, and so that was

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<v Speaker 3>what I'd been looking for. It was the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 3>finally have a two way conversation, to not just hear

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<v Speaker 3>what had Jordan had to say, but spontaneously whatever he

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to say to me, but also to ask questions

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<v Speaker 3>a conversation. And so Ralph showed me, Yeah, it was probably.

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<v Speaker 3>It took me to come half an hour to explain

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<v Speaker 1>Really, wow, explain the us.

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<v Speaker 3>And from that, you know, that night I went home

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<v Speaker 3>and I started channeling with Jordan, and it changed my life.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not and and and that realization that these relationships

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<v Speaker 3>continue to exist, that the love continues to exist, and

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<v Speaker 3>we can reach for that person anytime we want. That,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, really again, profoundly changed my life.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to take a short commercial break to allow

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<v Speaker 2>our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly

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<v Speaker 2>with my guest today, doctor Matthew McKay, discussing his new book,

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<v Speaker 2>Seeking Your Loved One. On the other side will be

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<v Speaker 2>right back lines of the door.

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas songs in every store.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't standing here one more?

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas time again, they say, it's so pretty. My guest

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<v Speaker 2>today is doctor Matthew McKay. He has extended his work

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<v Speaker 2>with his son Jordan, who passed away over ten years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and has released a new book called Seeking Your Loved

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<v Speaker 2>One on the other Side. This is a book on

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<v Speaker 2>working with dearly departed loved ones. Yeah, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about Ralph's technique here and have you explained the

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<v Speaker 2>basics of it. But before we do that, obviously, Jordan

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<v Speaker 2>is your was your son. He is your son still,

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<v Speaker 2>He's in a different dimension. But have you gone beyond

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<v Speaker 2>your relationship with him to communicate with others that have passed.

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit?

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<v Speaker 3>Not much. I've communicated a little bit with my dad

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<v Speaker 3>Part of it is because I think he and I

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<v Speaker 3>be doing this work after his death that we were

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<v Speaker 3>we were he was going to convey through me, and

423
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<v Speaker 3>I was essentially going to be a scribe and write

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<v Speaker 3>down that the things that he could tell us about

425
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<v Speaker 3>the afterlife, about death, about the purpose of life. I

426
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<v Speaker 3>mean he had he has had over the years, loss

427
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<v Speaker 3>and loss say about these very profound issues and questions.

428
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<v Speaker 3>And I and we had apparently agreed before you know,

429
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<v Speaker 3>coming to this planet, that we would make an attempt

430
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<v Speaker 3>to do that after his death. In fact, in a

431
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:19.319
<v Speaker 3>previous life he was we lived in a yeshiva, and

432
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<v Speaker 3>he was an old rabbi and I was a young firebrand.

433
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<v Speaker 3>And after he died, I was attempting to do the

434
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<v Speaker 3>same thing, which almost got me kicked.

435
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:29.079
<v Speaker 1>Out of the yeshiva.

436
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<v Speaker 3>They didn't want to hear about my conversations with the dead,

437
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:35.920
<v Speaker 3>particularly since some of the things he was telling me

438
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:42.359
<v Speaker 3>really didn't fit with orthodox ideas anyway. So I, you know,

439
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:44.880
<v Speaker 3>apparently we decided to do that in this life.

440
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<v Speaker 1>And you know, he what he.

441
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<v Speaker 3>Does is periodically he'll just say, Okay, now we're going

442
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<v Speaker 3>to do a book on such and such, and in

443
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<v Speaker 3>the space of five minutes, he'll outline the entire book,

444
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<v Speaker 3>everything that's going to be in it. And then over

445
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<v Speaker 3>the next you know, nine ten, he will go through

446
00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:04.400
<v Speaker 3>each of the chapters and essentially dictate them to me.

447
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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's amazing. Yeah, Yeah, let's talk about discovering Ralph

448
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:19.319
<v Speaker 2>Metzer's material. It's called channel writing. Yeah, you gave up

449
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:24.319
<v Speaker 2>one of the key components, which is intention. Yeah, but

450
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:28.519
<v Speaker 2>talk about how someone can who's listening right now can

451
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:31.039
<v Speaker 2>work with this. Obviously you need to buy the book

452
00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:33.359
<v Speaker 2>because we're not going to get into the specific details,

453
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:36.119
<v Speaker 2>but in a general way, Matt, what what are we

454
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:39.839
<v Speaker 2>talking about in terms of of the I'm going to

455
00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:42.319
<v Speaker 2>call it the software to access the hardware.

456
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<v Speaker 3>Well, I can describe the steps and you can get

457
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:48.480
<v Speaker 3>people if they want, can get more information from the

458
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:50.920
<v Speaker 3>book and also learn a lot. But but Jordan has

459
00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:55.799
<v Speaker 3>to say about life and death. But it's actually pretty simple.

460
00:31:55.839 --> 00:32:01.119
<v Speaker 3>It's it starts with it's helpful to have something physical

461
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:04.799
<v Speaker 3>that connects you to the loved one. It could be

462
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:08.839
<v Speaker 3>something they gave you or something that they they owned

463
00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:14.000
<v Speaker 3>that you you can keep. Because physical objects do kind

464
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:19.559
<v Speaker 3>of open the open the channel a little bit. And

465
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:22.720
<v Speaker 3>so have have a physical object if you can, that

466
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:26.279
<v Speaker 3>belonged to or was given to you by that loved one.

467
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:32.079
<v Speaker 3>Have something that helps with eye fixation. This isn't absolutely necessary,

468
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:38.440
<v Speaker 3>but it helps to get into a receptive mode of

469
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:44.160
<v Speaker 3>that allows for supports channeling. So a candle works great,

470
00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:46.160
<v Speaker 3>just you know, have a little candle that what I

471
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:50.920
<v Speaker 3>have a candle that my daughter gave me and and

472
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:54.839
<v Speaker 3>that I use traditionally as I start to channel with Jordan,

473
00:32:57.160 --> 00:33:02.039
<v Speaker 3>and now you know you've got you. Now we want

474
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:04.839
<v Speaker 3>to have a simple kind of a postitium meditation, of

475
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:11.200
<v Speaker 3>a breath based meditation. And you can use other technique.

476
00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:15.119
<v Speaker 3>You can't even use prayer. You can use auto hypnosis,

477
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.039
<v Speaker 3>you can use there are different ways you can open

478
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:19.680
<v Speaker 3>the channel, but the simplest and easiest way is a

479
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:22.839
<v Speaker 3>breath based meditation. So you just simply bring your attention

480
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:26.759
<v Speaker 3>down to your diaphragm, aware of that place in your

481
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:30.279
<v Speaker 3>body you note the breath. It's the simplest thing is

482
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:33.559
<v Speaker 3>to count each out breath one, two, three, four, counting

483
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:37.000
<v Speaker 3>maybe up to ten out breaths, and then a thought.

484
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.559
<v Speaker 3>If a thought occurs, bring your attention back to your breath.

485
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:43.400
<v Speaker 3>It's just those three things. Attention down your diaphragm, count

486
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:46.160
<v Speaker 3>each out breath, and then when the thought occurs, bring

487
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:47.960
<v Speaker 3>your attention back to your breath. And so you might

488
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:51.519
<v Speaker 3>go through several counts of ten until you just feel

489
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:55.000
<v Speaker 3>like you're receptive, you're ready. Your mind has slowed a

490
00:33:55.000 --> 00:34:01.000
<v Speaker 3>little bit, there's a quieting inside of you. And and

491
00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:06.000
<v Speaker 3>that really then is you know, preparing the groundwork.

492
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:06.799
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

493
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:11.519
<v Speaker 3>And then Ralph taught me, when you feel that kind

494
00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:15.840
<v Speaker 3>of receptivity and quietness and readiness, you know, think with

495
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:19.360
<v Speaker 3>love about your loved one on the other side. Just

496
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:21.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, just be aware of your love for them.

497
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:24.840
<v Speaker 3>Visualize an orb about the color of the sun, maybe

498
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:28.840
<v Speaker 3>six inches from your top of your head, and then

499
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:32.960
<v Speaker 3>allow it to elongate and reach all the way to

500
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:36.440
<v Speaker 3>the spirit world and to your loved one. And with

501
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:39.920
<v Speaker 3>that and that's your intention. My intention is to communicate,

502
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:43.599
<v Speaker 3>and the address of this conversation is going to be

503
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:46.920
<v Speaker 3>my particular loved one in the spirit world. And as

504
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:51.239
<v Speaker 3>I as I extend the orb into a tube, that

505
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:56.719
<v Speaker 3>is the channel, the channel opens. Okay, really is that

506
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:58.840
<v Speaker 3>simple that? But here's the other thing. You have to

507
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:02.159
<v Speaker 3>it's very important to have for this to be written down.

508
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:03.159
<v Speaker 1>And so.

509
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:09.519
<v Speaker 3>Ideally you have a maybe a nice notebook that you

510
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:12.920
<v Speaker 3>can keep all these conversations in. And I value that

511
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.000
<v Speaker 3>because I first forget some of the things and then

512
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.719
<v Speaker 3>I get to read them again. And that it really

513
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:20.719
<v Speaker 3>means a lot to me to read his words and

514
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:23.360
<v Speaker 3>so I encourage people to have a nice notebook that

515
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:26.000
<v Speaker 3>they can write down the fruits of these conversations and

516
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:29.079
<v Speaker 3>then write the first question. And as you write the question,

517
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:36.639
<v Speaker 3>it helps actually deepen this almost trancelike state that you're

518
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:40.440
<v Speaker 3>entering and actually watching the words form on the page,

519
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:45.920
<v Speaker 3>and then just wait and inside your mind the first

520
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:49.760
<v Speaker 3>word that shows up, write it down, and wait for

521
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:52.480
<v Speaker 3>the next thing that shows up, and so forth, and

522
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:55.280
<v Speaker 3>don't worry about whether.

523
00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:56.559
<v Speaker 1>It's true or it's not true.

524
00:35:56.679 --> 00:35:59.119
<v Speaker 3>I mean, yes, of course we always have doubts, but

525
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:02.800
<v Speaker 3>just write down whatever shows up. And our minds are

526
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:05.400
<v Speaker 3>not going to be empty for long, and so whatever

527
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:08.679
<v Speaker 3>shows up, just start and wait for the next part

528
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:10.679
<v Speaker 3>of the sentence, and the sentence to finish, and then

529
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:13.119
<v Speaker 3>wait for the next sentence and for that to finish

530
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:16.599
<v Speaker 3>until it feels like there's been a pause, and then

531
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:20.440
<v Speaker 3>you can write the next question. And as I said,

532
00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:23.519
<v Speaker 3>you know, the things that loved ones will communicate with

533
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:26.639
<v Speaker 3>us come in different ways. Sometimes it comes as a download,

534
00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:29.559
<v Speaker 3>and we just know this huge knowing. One time Jordan

535
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:33.599
<v Speaker 3>downloaded an entire book to me at once, the entire.

536
00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:35.639
<v Speaker 2>Does that feel like, Matt, What does that feel like?

537
00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:36.559
<v Speaker 2>When that happens.

538
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:40.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, it's really I mean, it sort of

539
00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:43.400
<v Speaker 3>sounds silly to say it's intense, but it is. It's

540
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:48.440
<v Speaker 3>really intest because I actually was with at that moment,

541
00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:53.760
<v Speaker 3>I was with Austin Wells and we were talking about Jordan. Suddenly,

542
00:36:54.039 --> 00:37:01.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, this entire psychotherapy came down and concluding with images, charts, pictures,

543
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:05.679
<v Speaker 3>uh uh, steps in a treatment process. The whole thing

544
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:10.199
<v Speaker 3>just showed up. And after I left Austin, I went

545
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:12.519
<v Speaker 3>down and took me hours to write it all out.

546
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:15.559
<v Speaker 3>So what I'm getting at is that sometimes these things

547
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:20.920
<v Speaker 3>can show up as as an entire awareness, uh, very complex,

548
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:22.679
<v Speaker 3>and then we have to later go out and find

549
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:26.800
<v Speaker 3>the words to describe what what actually has been shown

550
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:29.000
<v Speaker 3>to us. So these these are things that are telepaths.

551
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:30.639
<v Speaker 3>All these are communications are telepaths.

552
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Did you communicate to Jordan like, dude, this is too much,

553
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:36.239
<v Speaker 2>you got to give it to me it's or did

554
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:37.800
<v Speaker 2>he just was excited?

555
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:41.039
<v Speaker 3>He was just excited and I was excited. I loved it,

556
00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:45.079
<v Speaker 3>and I later turned it into a book and a

557
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:47.159
<v Speaker 3>whole therapy effect of the therapy that we use in

558
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:48.039
<v Speaker 3>our trauma clinic.

559
00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:48.559
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

560
00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:50.159
<v Speaker 1>And I you know.

561
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:52.320
<v Speaker 2>This is an important piece of work that was down.

562
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:55.079
<v Speaker 3>It was an important was the whole all the steps

563
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:57.360
<v Speaker 3>of the therapy just showed up at once, and the

564
00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:04.039
<v Speaker 3>whole thing showed up and I was blown away. And look,

565
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:07.199
<v Speaker 3>but I loved it. I mean, it was this incredible experience. Now,

566
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:09.519
<v Speaker 3>you know, most of the time we don't get you know,

567
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:12.400
<v Speaker 3>the big download. Sometimes we have just things that are

568
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:14.280
<v Speaker 3>showing up in a couple of words at a time,

569
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:16.639
<v Speaker 3>and very very focused.

570
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:19.159
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

571
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:23.360
<v Speaker 3>And other times sometimes we I've had experiences where I

572
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:26.480
<v Speaker 3>can't even keep up writing as fast as I'm getting information,

573
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:30.159
<v Speaker 3>and I'm just I'm all slow down shortan wait, I

574
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:34.679
<v Speaker 3>can't get on and what I'm but what I'm suggesting

575
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:38.679
<v Speaker 3>is and is that there the information. The communication can

576
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:40.119
<v Speaker 3>happen in different ways.

577
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:41.280
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

578
00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:45.239
<v Speaker 3>And and then as I mentioned, sometimes just images alone,

579
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:48.840
<v Speaker 3>just just pictures which we then have to do something

580
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:52.280
<v Speaker 3>with to try to retain and and and make sense.

581
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:57.320
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and and different souls have different styles, right.

582
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:01.719
<v Speaker 2>I want you to talk a little bit about the

583
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:05.559
<v Speaker 2>new person, the person who's listening, who wants to try this.

584
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:08.800
<v Speaker 2>What are they going to feel, Matt, What are they

585
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:11.440
<v Speaker 2>going to feel when they're connecting. Is it going to

586
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:15.960
<v Speaker 2>be like aha, or I feel that person that feels

587
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:19.599
<v Speaker 2>like that feels like Jack or Bill or somebody. What

588
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:23.320
<v Speaker 2>are they gonna What's going to make them realize this

589
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:26.440
<v Speaker 2>is happening? And yeah, just out of the blue.

590
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:30.599
<v Speaker 3>A lot of people actually do have body sensations.

591
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:31.039
<v Speaker 1>I do.

592
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:35.239
<v Speaker 3>It starts serving my scalp as the channel starts to open,

593
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:39.760
<v Speaker 3>and I can feel sensations at the top of my head.

594
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:43.840
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes when Jordan is present with me, I will feel

595
00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:46.679
<v Speaker 3>it as sort of an electrical current in my body.

596
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:52.360
<v Speaker 3>And a lot of people who do channeling will describe

597
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:56.159
<v Speaker 3>that they can feel something happening in their body that

598
00:39:56.800 --> 00:40:00.760
<v Speaker 3>coincides with the opening of the channel, the beginning of

599
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:05.079
<v Speaker 3>the communication process. So that's one thing that we can

600
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:08.679
<v Speaker 3>we can notice we're not hearing the words as if

601
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:11.079
<v Speaker 3>they're coming from outside our body. We're hearing them inside

602
00:40:11.079 --> 00:40:14.239
<v Speaker 3>our own minds telepathic. So it's not, you know, don't

603
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:16.719
<v Speaker 3>expect that you're going to hear you know, like the

604
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:19.559
<v Speaker 3>word of God, you know, from the mouth Sinai coming

605
00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:23.239
<v Speaker 3>down and and and and telling you something. It's it's internal.

606
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:27.920
<v Speaker 3>But what people notice who channel is that they learn

607
00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:31.119
<v Speaker 3>things they that loved ones tell them things that never

608
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:34.880
<v Speaker 3>occurred to them that that and never in their wildest

609
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:38.840
<v Speaker 3>strange do they have that idea. And clearly it's coming

610
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:43.599
<v Speaker 3>from somewhere else, that idea, that concept. And oftentimes they

611
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:48.800
<v Speaker 3>notice that the style of communicating and use of language

612
00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:51.639
<v Speaker 3>is very different from their own and very very similar

613
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:55.360
<v Speaker 3>to or identical to the loved one has passed. So

614
00:40:56.039 --> 00:41:01.400
<v Speaker 3>people have the experience that's that some some different entity

615
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:03.719
<v Speaker 3>is communicating to them because they're telling them things they

616
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:06.360
<v Speaker 3>have never thought, and they're telling them things in a

617
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:08.719
<v Speaker 3>way and with in a style and with a language

618
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:10.079
<v Speaker 3>that is not their own.

619
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:12.159
<v Speaker 1>It's not typical of them. Uh.

620
00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:14.599
<v Speaker 3>And and so I mean, Jordan has said so many

621
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:18.159
<v Speaker 3>things to me that blew my mind that never ever

622
00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:22.199
<v Speaker 3>occurred to me before. And and so he keeps doing that.

623
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.760
<v Speaker 3>And and if you keep communicating and use a channel

624
00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:28.519
<v Speaker 3>writing with your with a loved one, you will learn

625
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:31.159
<v Speaker 3>things that never ever occurred to you.

626
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:32.039
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

627
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:34.880
<v Speaker 3>Also, you can ask loved ones about their their experience.

628
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:38.199
<v Speaker 3>I've talked to a couple recently whose son passed away

629
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:41.880
<v Speaker 3>committed suicide, and they were and they asked him how

630
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:46.280
<v Speaker 3>that happened, and what what what lay beneath that very

631
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:52.519
<v Speaker 3>you know, enormous decision and and they got information that

632
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:58.119
<v Speaker 3>was so different from anything they had imagined. Uh and

633
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:02.079
<v Speaker 3>and so profound. So I guess that's another reason I

634
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:05.880
<v Speaker 3>think to engage in channel community, not only to re

635
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:09.599
<v Speaker 3>establish the relationship and the love, but to learn what

636
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:13.280
<v Speaker 3>these souls know. The souls now that we're talking to

637
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:16.360
<v Speaker 3>who are on the other side have in many cases

638
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:19.639
<v Speaker 3>had hundreds of lives, and they have access to all

639
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:23.480
<v Speaker 3>that knowledge, and they have access to the spirit world

640
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:25.440
<v Speaker 3>and all the knowledge in the spirit world, and they

641
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:29.079
<v Speaker 3>do a certain amount of merging with all and getting

642
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:32.360
<v Speaker 3>downloads of knowledge from all. So they have an enormous

643
00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:38.840
<v Speaker 3>database to share with us, and so they have enormous wisdom.

644
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:41.719
<v Speaker 3>And also they can advise us how to deal with

645
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:45.719
<v Speaker 3>things that we are stumped. We just don't know what

646
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:48.519
<v Speaker 3>to do. Jordan helps me all the time with things

647
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:53.199
<v Speaker 3>I'm wondering about with my daughter Beck and I'm very

648
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:58.320
<v Speaker 3>grateful for support and help. Yeah, and so we can

649
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:01.880
<v Speaker 3>get a lot of advice from these very wise loved

650
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:05.079
<v Speaker 3>ones who have access to knowledge that we don't have.

651
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:09.119
<v Speaker 2>I love hearing that because this is one of the

652
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:12.159
<v Speaker 2>issues that is coming up in the work that we

653
00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:15.559
<v Speaker 2>do here at Earth Ancients and Destiny, which is that

654
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:22.760
<v Speaker 2>our ancestors actually used their dead relatives, friends, and so

655
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<v Speaker 2>on as a form of information and perhaps even to

656
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<v Speaker 2>the point where the information that was downloaded was a

657
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:35.599
<v Speaker 2>form of evolution. So this is extremely important. Do you

658
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<v Speaker 2>have any sense of that, Matt when I mentioned that,

659
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:41.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, they were the ancients, that our ancestors were

660
00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:46.840
<v Speaker 2>using the departed souls as information outlets.

661
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:52.320
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, I mean the whole concept of psychomanteums and you

662
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:58.920
<v Speaker 3>know those mirrors through which ancient Egypt not Greek people

663
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:02.400
<v Speaker 3>would communicate to the dead, but they would use that

664
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:06.800
<v Speaker 3>as a means of getting knowledge and and so it

665
00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:10.880
<v Speaker 3>sort of opened this door through which knowledge could come

666
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:16.000
<v Speaker 3>from the other world. And and you know, and of

667
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:22.760
<v Speaker 3>course there's a long tradition of mediumship in the ancient

668
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:29.639
<v Speaker 3>world in which uh, you know, savath savants could could

669
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<v Speaker 3>communicate with the other side and help guide a community

670
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:41.960
<v Speaker 3>or a group of people. So yes, the seeking knowledge

671
00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:44.679
<v Speaker 3>from the other side has been something that's been part

672
00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:51.400
<v Speaker 3>of our ancestral history and and we we sort of

673
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:54.440
<v Speaker 3>have forgotten that that there's all this knowledge and wisdom

674
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:58.880
<v Speaker 3>there that we we could access and and because of

675
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:02.760
<v Speaker 3>the role of acience in our lives, we've discounted what

676
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:04.480
<v Speaker 3>we could learn from.

677
00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:10.519
<v Speaker 2>It's too incredible for science with their testing, and the

678
00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:13.920
<v Speaker 2>scientific method has to be proven and so forth and

679
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:16.519
<v Speaker 2>so on. I would think that a lot of this

680
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:23.960
<v Speaker 2>is discounted by orthodoxy as a woohoo, you know, craziness,

681
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:26.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, but you're making a really good point. Can

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<v Speaker 2>you describe your relationship with Jordan in terms of his

683
00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:36.440
<v Speaker 2>downloads to you that are you mentioned they're helpful and

684
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:40.360
<v Speaker 2>you weren't very specific, but you know, perhaps giving you

685
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:42.440
<v Speaker 2>an idea of what the future looks like, or a

686
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:47.039
<v Speaker 2>machine or device, or a concept, maybe just a concept

687
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:51.639
<v Speaker 2>alone would be something that would take us to another

688
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:53.559
<v Speaker 2>level evolutionary wise.

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00:45:55.480 --> 00:45:58.320
<v Speaker 3>Well, one of the things that Jordan says to me

690
00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:04.519
<v Speaker 3>is that souls in spirit generally don't tell us much

691
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:07.679
<v Speaker 3>about the future. And and there's a reason for that,

692
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:11.280
<v Speaker 3>because because we come here for one reason, which is

693
00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:14.679
<v Speaker 3>to learn every soul is, you know, and of course

694
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:17.920
<v Speaker 3>the Earth is not the only place souls incarnate. There

695
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.960
<v Speaker 3>planets everywhere where souls are incarnating in various kinds of

696
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:28.000
<v Speaker 3>animal forms and species, and so souls are incarnating in

697
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:30.800
<v Speaker 3>lots of places, but they do it for one reason,

698
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:34.239
<v Speaker 3>which is to which is to learn. And our main

699
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:38.639
<v Speaker 3>task is to trying to learn how to love with

700
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:42.519
<v Speaker 3>all of the resistance that a physical environment creates, still loving,

701
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:47.400
<v Speaker 3>and and so that's that's our destiny, that's our work.

702
00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:50.440
<v Speaker 3>And of course each of us comes with a fairly

703
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:56.079
<v Speaker 3>specific lesson plan and anticipating a lot of different things

704
00:46:56.119 --> 00:46:57.679
<v Speaker 3>that are going to happen to us in a lifetime,

705
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:00.480
<v Speaker 3>all which will contribute to that lesson plan. So all

706
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:03.760
<v Speaker 3>the pain we suffer is not our fault. It's not

707
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:08.280
<v Speaker 3>something that's wrong, or it's an indictment of our life

708
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:12.039
<v Speaker 3>or our choices. Pain is just an opportunity for us

709
00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:15.679
<v Speaker 3>to learn. So all the souls come here for that

710
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:20.760
<v Speaker 3>one purpose, and they gather knowledge, wisdom, they learn, and

711
00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:22.079
<v Speaker 3>they take it back to the.

712
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Whole to all.

713
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:26.360
<v Speaker 3>You know, So all is continuing, if you want to

714
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:29.320
<v Speaker 3>call all, God is continuing to evolve.

715
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:30.599
<v Speaker 1>You know.

716
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:33.440
<v Speaker 3>I grew up Catholic, and the Catholic idea is that

717
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:42.599
<v Speaker 3>God is you know, just perfect and does not grow

718
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.679
<v Speaker 3>or evolve. And God's main job is to sit there

719
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:48.079
<v Speaker 3>and make judgments about whether we've lived a good life

720
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:49.559
<v Speaker 3>or a bad life, and whether we're going to the

721
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:52.000
<v Speaker 3>hot place or the good place and all that stuff,

722
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:55.159
<v Speaker 3>none of that is true. God is continuing to evolve,

723
00:47:55.199 --> 00:48:03.000
<v Speaker 3>and we are. Our special work, in our acred duty

724
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:05.440
<v Speaker 3>in some way is to come here and learn things

725
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:09.199
<v Speaker 3>that help God and all evolve. That's what we're doing.

726
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:13.679
<v Speaker 3>And so God breaks into small little piece of pieces

727
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:17.400
<v Speaker 3>of consciousness us. We come here, we go through all

728
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:20.800
<v Speaker 3>these experiences, all his pain, all his struggle, and we

729
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:24.639
<v Speaker 3>and what we learned then gets uploaded back into a

730
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:29.440
<v Speaker 3>greater knowledge and awareness and all. Yeah, that's pretty amazing. Yeah,

731
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:33.079
<v Speaker 3>he talks about that. And these are the things he

732
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:35.199
<v Speaker 3>teaches me. He says, Well, that's your purpose life, dad,

733
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:38.199
<v Speaker 3>And and and here is some of the specifics for

734
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:41.719
<v Speaker 3>your particular life and your particular journey in your particular

735
00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:45.760
<v Speaker 3>lesson plan of what you need to work on.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to take a short commercial break to allow

737
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:54.920
<v Speaker 2>our sponsors to identify themselves, and we all return shortly

738
00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:59.719
<v Speaker 2>with my guest today, doctor Matthew McKay, discussing his latest book,

739
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Seeking Your Loved One. On the other side, we'll be

740
00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:07.039
<v Speaker 2>right back.

741
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:19.760
<v Speaker 3>Deck the halls with bows of holly van la la

742
00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:26.639
<v Speaker 3>la la la. Here is the season to be jolly

743
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<v Speaker 3>va la la la la la la la.

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<v Speaker 2>Don we know gay a peer v lalalaalah.

745
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<v Speaker 1>To a the agent you time caval.

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<v Speaker 2>My guest today is doctor Matthew McKay. He has written

747
00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:59.519
<v Speaker 2>a number of books with his son Jordan, who passed

748
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:02.239
<v Speaker 2>away over ten years ago. And this is a form

749
00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:07.000
<v Speaker 2>of channeled writing, seeking information from the other side, from

750
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:14.800
<v Speaker 2>dearly departed. I have this image of you sitting down

751
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:17.960
<v Speaker 2>and him dictating to you, and you're running as fast

752
00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:22.960
<v Speaker 2>as you can to get it down.

753
00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:26.719
<v Speaker 3>You know that's happened. Really, I'm getting writers cramp. I

754
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:34.239
<v Speaker 3>can't keep and yeah, and it's very sweet, It's it

755
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:40.559
<v Speaker 3>feels kind of wonderful to have these intense conversations. But

756
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:43.079
<v Speaker 3>also I feel like I'm I feel like I'm I'm

757
00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:46.559
<v Speaker 3>in a classroom with the greatest teacher of all who's

758
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:49.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, who's who has all this knowledge, all this wisdom,

759
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:53.519
<v Speaker 3>And it's just it's and it's a tutorial just for me.

760
00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:58.079
<v Speaker 3>Uh and of course with the purpose that I need

761
00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:00.960
<v Speaker 3>to turn it into something to pass it on for

762
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:02.519
<v Speaker 3>other people to tell.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, is there a satisfaction in this communication with Jordan.

764
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:13.639
<v Speaker 2>Is it enough for you to feel obviously great gratitude,

765
00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:18.039
<v Speaker 2>but the love that you are seeking.

766
00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:22.239
<v Speaker 3>I feel deeply connected to him what I had hoped for,

767
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:30.039
<v Speaker 3>which was to find him again, to have a conversation,

768
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:35.599
<v Speaker 3>to be able to re engage the deep love connection

769
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:39.079
<v Speaker 3>we have that Ralph gave.

770
00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Me the ability to do.

771
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:44.719
<v Speaker 3>And all these years I've had this relationship with him

772
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:49.079
<v Speaker 3>and it has made a huge difference in my life.

773
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:50.639
<v Speaker 1>He is not gone.

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00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:53.280
<v Speaker 3>The love is not gone. And I would say that

775
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:58.679
<v Speaker 3>to anyone who who happens to be, you know, listening

776
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:02.639
<v Speaker 3>in on this, you know your loved one is still there.

777
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:07.079
<v Speaker 3>They're still conscious of you. You can open the channel

778
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:08.159
<v Speaker 3>anytime you want.

779
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:09.679
<v Speaker 1>You can.

780
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:13.079
<v Speaker 3>You can ask questions and learn some of what they know.

781
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:18.159
<v Speaker 3>You can get advice, you can learn about the afterlife

782
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:20.480
<v Speaker 3>and what to expect. And one of the things Jordan

783
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:22.599
<v Speaker 3>did was he you know, I've had a kind of

784
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:24.960
<v Speaker 3>a fear of death all my life, and and he

785
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:28.719
<v Speaker 3>decided that we're going to write this book. I should

786
00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:32.360
<v Speaker 3>say we He's going to write this book about about

787
00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:35.519
<v Speaker 3>what to expect at death and how to prepare for it,

788
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:39.880
<v Speaker 3>which became another one of a book called The Luminous

789
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:43.079
<v Speaker 3>Landscape of the Afterlife and and he had this, you know,

790
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:45.000
<v Speaker 3>and he wanted to do it partly because I have

791
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:48.880
<v Speaker 3>always feared death, and but also he knows that that's

792
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:52.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, ubiquitous. We mean, all of the people you

793
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:57.280
<v Speaker 3>know are trying to you know, are struggling with the

794
00:52:57.360 --> 00:52:59.079
<v Speaker 3>possibility and prospect of death.

795
00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:01.960
<v Speaker 1>And he wanted to show them how to prepare for it.

796
00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:04.719
<v Speaker 3>And what what is on the other side exactly what

797
00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:05.280
<v Speaker 3>is there?

798
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:06.639
<v Speaker 2>What? What? What are you?

799
00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:07.679
<v Speaker 1>What is waiting for you?

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00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:09.000
<v Speaker 2>And uh?

801
00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:12.519
<v Speaker 3>And so he used to have these missions and and

802
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:18.199
<v Speaker 3>that and he uses me for for providing this knowledge

803
00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:18.639
<v Speaker 3>to others.

804
00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:23.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, amazing. Real quickly, you have a section in here

805
00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:29.079
<v Speaker 2>that you've added five different points, uh, which you consider

806
00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:32.360
<v Speaker 2>conversations that can help us gain And I want to

807
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:35.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of quickly go over first and most important is

808
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:41.400
<v Speaker 2>we preserved the connection across life and death divide, which

809
00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:45.519
<v Speaker 2>is the fundamental of what you're saying, which is, even

810
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:50.280
<v Speaker 2>though the person has physically died, they are still there

811
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:56.079
<v Speaker 2>on a spiritual soul level, and as a soul living

812
00:53:56.199 --> 00:53:59.800
<v Speaker 2>in a physical body, you still have access to that person.

813
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:02.360
<v Speaker 2>I think that's the first point that you made that.

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00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:05.119
<v Speaker 3>That's exactly right. And to me, that's the most important

815
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:09.760
<v Speaker 3>thing that I've learned from Jordan is that our relationships

816
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:14.880
<v Speaker 3>to the people we love never die and are always

817
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:18.360
<v Speaker 3>ever living, and the love between us is ever living

818
00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:21.559
<v Speaker 3>and we can connect to it essentially whenever we want.

819
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's amazing. The other one is we are able

820
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:30.480
<v Speaker 2>to receive support from the dead. We know when we

821
00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:34.599
<v Speaker 2>are not that we are not alone without their love

822
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:37.039
<v Speaker 2>and counsel. And you've been kind of giving us a

823
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:40.679
<v Speaker 2>sense of that. But I think that we won't know

824
00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:43.360
<v Speaker 2>that we're going to get love and counsel unless we

825
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:46.960
<v Speaker 2>do the process of the channel work, right.

826
00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:53.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I mean, I think people, many people

827
00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:56.239
<v Speaker 3>develop a sense that their loved one is still there

828
00:54:56.360 --> 00:54:59.559
<v Speaker 3>for them. I mean they sometimes, you know, they'll see

829
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:02.440
<v Speaker 3>animals that remind them of the loved one and behave

830
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:05.360
<v Speaker 3>in strange ways. And by the way, souls on the

831
00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:09.559
<v Speaker 3>other side can influence animal behavior. They don't become the animal,

832
00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:12.199
<v Speaker 3>but they can influence animal behavior if they can make

833
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:15.599
<v Speaker 3>a bird walk over it and stand next to you

834
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:19.800
<v Speaker 3>for twenty minutes, and you know, and Jordan does that

835
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:22.079
<v Speaker 3>all the time Judy and I are at the beach,

836
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there is invariably a bird will just out

837
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<v Speaker 3>of nowhere, just show up and just walk right up

838
00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:30.800
<v Speaker 3>to us and in many case just sit there and

839
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:33.320
<v Speaker 3>look at us for many minutes.

840
00:55:33.039 --> 00:55:33.480
<v Speaker 1>At a time.

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00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:36.639
<v Speaker 3>And you know, the bird is not Jordan, but Jordan

842
00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:40.800
<v Speaker 3>is influencing the consciousness of the bird to do something unusual.

843
00:55:41.320 --> 00:55:43.800
<v Speaker 3>And this I mean and lots of people realize that

844
00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:47.559
<v Speaker 3>that they that birds and other animals do things that

845
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:51.360
<v Speaker 3>are unusual, and they realize there's a connection between that

846
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:55.119
<v Speaker 3>animal behavior and a loved one who is influencing it.

847
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:59.679
<v Speaker 3>So people people do realize that loved ones can show

848
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:03.000
<v Speaker 3>up in that form or you know, with with animals

849
00:56:03.039 --> 00:56:08.760
<v Speaker 3>suddenly behaving in unusual ways. And of course we talked

850
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:12.639
<v Speaker 3>about dreams, uh the visitations that are so powerful that

851
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:19.039
<v Speaker 3>you wake up shaken and uh overwhelmed with the presence.

852
00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:22.239
<v Speaker 1>Of that of that loved one. Then there are there

853
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:23.079
<v Speaker 1>there are just.

854
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:26.199
<v Speaker 3>The experiences what we've talked about what Judy has, the

855
00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:29.079
<v Speaker 3>experiences of the loved one inside your body and just

856
00:56:29.320 --> 00:56:33.440
<v Speaker 3>just feeling that their res they for a few moments,

857
00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:36.599
<v Speaker 3>they take up residence. They they are physically merging in

858
00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:39.760
<v Speaker 3>your body and people recognize that. So there are you know,

859
00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:42.519
<v Speaker 3>there are other ways to encounter loved ones and to

860
00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:47.800
<v Speaker 3>know their presence besides channeling. But what channeling offers that

861
00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:53.199
<v Speaker 3>these other methods don't, these other experiences don't, is actually

862
00:56:55.480 --> 00:56:59.119
<v Speaker 3>learning what our loved one's experience is in the other

863
00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:04.159
<v Speaker 3>side and and also gaining wisdom from them. Channeling is

864
00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:05.960
<v Speaker 3>the only way to actually do that.

865
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's amazing. Number Three here is something that we

866
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:15.719
<v Speaker 2>talked a little bit about, which is discovering one's life purpose,

867
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:17.920
<v Speaker 2>which is huge for a lot of people who are

868
00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:21.320
<v Speaker 2>just kind of wrong aimiously and not knowing what the

869
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:24.920
<v Speaker 2>hell is going on. If and I'd like to ask

870
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:30.280
<v Speaker 2>you about that. Has Jordan presented your life purpose and

871
00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:34.159
<v Speaker 2>perhaps those around you who are important.

872
00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:38.360
<v Speaker 3>He's been very clear about my life purpose. Judy's life

873
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:41.719
<v Speaker 3>purpose really his life what he came here to do

874
00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:46.159
<v Speaker 3>in this particular life. And we all show up on

875
00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:49.880
<v Speaker 3>this planet with a life purpose, which is essentially our

876
00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:53.679
<v Speaker 3>lesson plan what we came here to learn and in

877
00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:59.400
<v Speaker 3>some cases to do. And yeah, so life, you know,

878
00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:04.119
<v Speaker 3>life for poses and there are ways to access it.

879
00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:08.159
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you can use channeling to access because our

880
00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:11.480
<v Speaker 3>loved one probably knows what our life purpose is, particularly

881
00:58:11.519 --> 00:58:13.519
<v Speaker 3>if the loved one is somebody who's been very close

882
00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:17.840
<v Speaker 3>to us in life, you know, because we probably incarnated

883
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:22.639
<v Speaker 3>and chose to incarnate together in this particular life, in

884
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:28.639
<v Speaker 3>this particular time and place and family, and and that

885
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:31.920
<v Speaker 3>choice was made knowing that each of us had a

886
00:58:33.079 --> 00:58:36.679
<v Speaker 3>purpose or a lesson that we were seeking to learn

887
00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:37.440
<v Speaker 3>in this life.

888
00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:38.239
<v Speaker 2>You know.

889
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:39.920
<v Speaker 3>One of the things that Jordan has talked a lot

890
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:44.360
<v Speaker 3>about is soul groups. Soul groups are like little families

891
00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:49.639
<v Speaker 3>and of you know, usually somewhere between eight and twenty souls,

892
00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:57.159
<v Speaker 3>and they incarnate together oftentimes, and they incarnate into the same.

893
00:58:57.400 --> 00:58:58.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, of.

894
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:07.159
<v Speaker 3>Geological geographical area. Often it's certainly the same era, the

895
00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:14.280
<v Speaker 3>same time period, and often then end up interacting with

896
00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:16.880
<v Speaker 3>each other in special ways, so that it's like a

897
00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:21.400
<v Speaker 3>little repertory theater that over many, many many centuries and

898
00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:26.239
<v Speaker 3>many lifetimes keeps showing up in a new play and

899
00:59:26.440 --> 00:59:29.400
<v Speaker 3>in new relationships. And so in some cases, are you know,

900
00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:32.320
<v Speaker 3>somebody in our soul group was our mother, and another

901
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:36.800
<v Speaker 3>life they're a child, and another life there an antagonist

902
00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:39.719
<v Speaker 3>of some kind, and another life there some imprecious teacher

903
00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:42.440
<v Speaker 3>that helped influence I mean, and so our you know,

904
00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:45.920
<v Speaker 3>our our soul group can we can have many, many

905
00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:49.840
<v Speaker 3>different relationships with that over many lives in the past life.

906
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:52.920
<v Speaker 3>Jordan was my wife, for example, in one past life,

907
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:54.280
<v Speaker 3>which was very kind of hard to.

908
00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:55.559
<v Speaker 1>Get used to that idea.

909
00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:02.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's interesting. Uh. Number four out of these five

910
01:00:02.920 --> 01:00:05.159
<v Speaker 2>points is, and I'd like you to speak to this.

911
01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:08.960
<v Speaker 2>We can find greater acceptance for the pain in life?

912
01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:14.719
<v Speaker 2>Is that just the life that we are living. And

913
01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:16.840
<v Speaker 2>some of us may be having a harder time than

914
01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:21.599
<v Speaker 2>others and we're just kind of lost or how do.

915
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:24.800
<v Speaker 3>You well, part of the problem is that we come

916
01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:26.880
<v Speaker 3>here in many case cases we don't know what the

917
01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:30.079
<v Speaker 3>purpose of life is. And we think, and a lot

918
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:31.880
<v Speaker 3>of people think the purpose of life is to have

919
01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:36.840
<v Speaker 3>pleasure and avoid pain, right, to have a kind of

920
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:40.960
<v Speaker 3>happiness of of uh in you know, where there's more

921
01:00:41.079 --> 01:00:45.559
<v Speaker 3>enjoyment than not and and and that's that's what we're

922
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:48.480
<v Speaker 3>seeking in life now. The fact is that most people

923
01:00:48.599 --> 01:00:50.719
<v Speaker 3>don't have a life where there's more enjoyment than not.

924
01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:53.719
<v Speaker 3>And you know, most of our lives involve quite a

925
01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:54.440
<v Speaker 3>bit of struggle.

926
01:00:55.079 --> 01:00:55.199
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

927
01:00:55.679 --> 01:00:59.840
<v Speaker 1>And and and so.

928
01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:05.119
<v Speaker 3>If if it was true that the purpose of life

929
01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:07.840
<v Speaker 3>is to have as much enjoyment as possible and avoid

930
01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:10.800
<v Speaker 3>as much pain as possible, we'd be in a lot

931
01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:13.880
<v Speaker 3>of trouble because that just doesn't seem to be true

932
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:18.239
<v Speaker 3>for most of us. And so we tend to think

933
01:01:18.280 --> 01:01:21.280
<v Speaker 3>of pain as a problem like that, this is something,

934
01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:24.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, we should be avoiding, and if we have pain,

935
01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:27.320
<v Speaker 3>that something is wrong, We've screwed up, we've made a mistake.

936
01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:31.880
<v Speaker 3>And so learning that the purpose of life is about

937
01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:35.320
<v Speaker 3>evolving and growing and learning as the soul, that's why

938
01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:37.559
<v Speaker 3>we come here, and that pain is one of the

939
01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:40.880
<v Speaker 3>main things that helps us grow. Every time we have pain,

940
01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:43.679
<v Speaker 3>it gives us a set of choices. How you know,

941
01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:46.760
<v Speaker 3>what can I what can I do in the face

942
01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:49.679
<v Speaker 3>of that pain to still be a loving human being?

943
01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:54.239
<v Speaker 3>And so all of those choices are how we grow.

944
01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:58.800
<v Speaker 3>And the opportunities for choices and learning and growth often

945
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:02.760
<v Speaker 3>come from speriences of pain. So pain isn't a problem.

946
01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:06.400
<v Speaker 3>It's not something that we failed when we feel pain.

947
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:11.960
<v Speaker 3>It's an opportunity uh to make choices that help us grow.

948
01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:17.079
<v Speaker 3>Woll So I mean I it's a whole different Jordan

949
01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:23.480
<v Speaker 3>is advocating a whole different relationship to pain, and uh,

950
01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:26.519
<v Speaker 3>and and that and that. Again, our the purpose of

951
01:02:26.599 --> 01:02:31.320
<v Speaker 3>life is to grow and evolve and learn. So everything

952
01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:32.800
<v Speaker 3>that teaches us something is good.

953
01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:37.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we just experienced it in different ways, I think

954
01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:41.760
<v Speaker 2>is what you're suggesting. Uh. The final point of these

955
01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:47.039
<v Speaker 2>five points of conversation with the Dad is conversations allow

956
01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:50.239
<v Speaker 2>us to give support to the ones on the other side.

957
01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:54.239
<v Speaker 2>And I was surprised to read that are you suggesting

958
01:02:54.320 --> 01:03:01.000
<v Speaker 2>that Jordan and others who have passed over have their

959
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:04.519
<v Speaker 2>own grief that they're working with, that there they need

960
01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:09.199
<v Speaker 2>to hear from the living that they're loved and missed

961
01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:10.159
<v Speaker 2>and so forth and so on.

962
01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:16.360
<v Speaker 3>This is really an interesting question. First of all, just

963
01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:20.559
<v Speaker 3>to be clear, our souls exist both in the afterlife

964
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:24.800
<v Speaker 3>or in the spirit world, and in an incarnated form

965
01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:27.679
<v Speaker 3>here on earth at the same time. So part of

966
01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:31.239
<v Speaker 3>our soul energy always stays in the spirit world, in

967
01:03:31.360 --> 01:03:33.519
<v Speaker 3>our soul group and with the people that we love.

968
01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:37.519
<v Speaker 3>So I'm so some of my soul energy right now

969
01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:40.960
<v Speaker 3>is in the spirit world and is with Jordan, some

970
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:43.639
<v Speaker 3>of his spirit, some of his energy, and this is

971
01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:45.599
<v Speaker 3>in the spirit world and is in a new life.

972
01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:49.039
<v Speaker 3>He is incarnated into a new life. So our soul

973
01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:52.039
<v Speaker 3>energy is serve of divided So at any given time

974
01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:55.199
<v Speaker 3>we are all part of us in the spirit world,

975
01:03:55.280 --> 01:03:59.559
<v Speaker 3>and our relationships there are all very active interesting. But

976
01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:03.519
<v Speaker 3>but some of our energy is divided up, and when

977
01:04:03.559 --> 01:04:09.800
<v Speaker 3>we incarnate, it enters into a physical body. So the

978
01:04:10.519 --> 01:04:17.400
<v Speaker 3>souls in spirit receive love. Uh and ore and there there,

979
01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:20.599
<v Speaker 3>there's their spirit is.

980
01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:25.360
<v Speaker 1>It's not healed, they don't need healing.

981
01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:28.920
<v Speaker 3>But there but there, but there's but their spirit receives

982
01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:31.679
<v Speaker 3>and takes in love. And it can take in love

983
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:35.159
<v Speaker 3>from from souls who are in spirit, It can take

984
01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:37.519
<v Speaker 3>in love from all, and it can take in love

985
01:04:37.599 --> 01:04:41.199
<v Speaker 3>from us who are still on earth and and love

986
01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:44.880
<v Speaker 3>them and miss them. And and so when we send

987
01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:48.840
<v Speaker 3>them love, they receive it mm hmm. It enhances their

988
01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:53.599
<v Speaker 3>experience because they by receiving love from us, their experience

989
01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:58.719
<v Speaker 3>of love expands. And and so it so it is

990
01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:02.280
<v Speaker 3>something we can give very actively to souls on the

991
01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:04.679
<v Speaker 3>other side. So so when we think of them with love,

992
01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:09.719
<v Speaker 3>they receive that telepathically and and and that love expands

993
01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:15.920
<v Speaker 3>inside of that soul and and so and and these

994
01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:18.639
<v Speaker 3>souls carry a lot of love inside of them, but

995
01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:21.920
<v Speaker 3>every time we send love, there's more and they can

996
01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:26.400
<v Speaker 3>feel it. And and they feel that active love that

997
01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:30.400
<v Speaker 3>exists between us and that soul and spirit. Uh and

998
01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:34.880
<v Speaker 3>it and it's it's it's a living thing, and it

999
01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:41.119
<v Speaker 3>warms them. Ah and and so yes, there's something we

1000
01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:44.800
<v Speaker 3>can give souls and spirit. Yes, they they live in

1001
01:05:44.840 --> 01:05:46.400
<v Speaker 3>a good, wonderful environment.

1002
01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:49.039
<v Speaker 1>They're they're surrounded by love.

1003
01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

1004
01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:53.440
<v Speaker 3>They're learning there as well as we are learning here.

1005
01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:58.159
<v Speaker 3>But when we send love, it warms them.

1006
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:04.639
<v Speaker 2>That's fantastic. As we close, Matt, who did you write

1007
01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:08.239
<v Speaker 2>this book for. Did you write it for people who

1008
01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:12.000
<v Speaker 2>have had recent departed loved ones or did you write

1009
01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:13.159
<v Speaker 2>it for a different audience.

1010
01:06:14.119 --> 01:06:17.360
<v Speaker 3>No, I wrote it for people who are who have

1011
01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:25.320
<v Speaker 3>lost someone uh and and don't and and and and

1012
01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:29.599
<v Speaker 3>and don't know if they can find them that soul again.

1013
01:06:29.679 --> 01:06:33.760
<v Speaker 3>They're they're you know, they're scared that they've made that

1014
01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:38.599
<v Speaker 3>soul and be gone lost forever. Uh And and I

1015
01:06:38.679 --> 01:06:42.599
<v Speaker 3>wrote it for that person who who's grieving uh and

1016
01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:46.800
<v Speaker 3>struggling with you know, trying to make sense of death

1017
01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:52.159
<v Speaker 3>and uh and trying to help them to realize that

1018
01:06:52.280 --> 01:06:58.280
<v Speaker 3>that loved one is still fully alive in spirit and

1019
01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:02.199
<v Speaker 3>and the love between them is fully alive and and

1020
01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:05.360
<v Speaker 3>and they can tap into it anytime they want. So

1021
01:07:05.480 --> 01:07:08.880
<v Speaker 3>the relationship is still there, The loved one is still there,

1022
01:07:09.519 --> 01:07:13.199
<v Speaker 3>is still available, is still able to connect and can

1023
01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:15.760
<v Speaker 3>still and they can send love back and forth to

1024
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:20.480
<v Speaker 3>each other in real time. And I just that's the

1025
01:07:20.559 --> 01:07:23.400
<v Speaker 3>person I was hoping the book could help.

1026
01:07:23.840 --> 01:07:27.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fantastic. The book's called Seeking Your Loved One on

1027
01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:32.760
<v Speaker 2>the Other Side, Communications with the Invisible Universe. And my

1028
01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:35.440
<v Speaker 2>guest today has been doctor Matthew McKay. This book just

1029
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:35.960
<v Speaker 2>came out.

1030
01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:36.719
<v Speaker 1>You can get it on.

1031
01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:42.039
<v Speaker 2>Amazon, matt. Once you get people of the other content

1032
01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:45.760
<v Speaker 2>social media. You have a YouTube channel, don't you.

1033
01:07:46.599 --> 01:07:50.239
<v Speaker 3>Well they can I have some lectures there on YouTube.

1034
01:07:50.239 --> 01:07:52.800
<v Speaker 3>But they're seeking Jordan dot com if they want to

1035
01:07:52.840 --> 01:07:55.400
<v Speaker 3>read more of of Jordan's writing.

1036
01:07:55.719 --> 01:08:00.519
<v Speaker 2>Seeking Jordan dot Com. Yeah, right, fantastic. Hey, a really

1037
01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:03.400
<v Speaker 2>a good book for the holidays. This is a real

1038
01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:06.440
<v Speaker 2>tough time for a lot of people, and you offer

1039
01:08:06.679 --> 01:08:11.679
<v Speaker 2>some really great suggestions and technique. Uh and I want

1040
01:08:11.719 --> 01:08:15.280
<v Speaker 2>to close real quickly. A couple of clients perhaps that

1041
01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:20.159
<v Speaker 2>you've heard back from after using and teaching them this uh,

1042
01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:24.159
<v Speaker 2>this technique, what they're uh, what their success rates been.

1043
01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:28.840
<v Speaker 3>You know, I've taught channeling to hundreds of people, and

1044
01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:34.560
<v Speaker 3>most of the people, the vast, vast majority of people

1045
01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:37.399
<v Speaker 3>are able to channel with very little and straining, with

1046
01:08:37.640 --> 01:08:42.039
<v Speaker 3>basically the instruction which we've just described, they can channel.

1047
01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

1048
01:08:43.319 --> 01:08:47.479
<v Speaker 3>And of course some people really struggle with doubt, and

1049
01:08:47.640 --> 01:08:50.880
<v Speaker 3>that's okay, you know, there's but what I encourage people

1050
01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:54.079
<v Speaker 3>to do is keep channeling. Yeah, sometimes you're gonna have doubt,

1051
01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:56.960
<v Speaker 3>like I wonder if this is really my loved one

1052
01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:59.880
<v Speaker 3>and am I making this up? Is this in my mind?

1053
01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:04.920
<v Speaker 3>And you know that's very understandable, And but just keep

1054
01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:11.479
<v Speaker 3>doing it and write down everything you get and periodically

1055
01:09:11.800 --> 01:09:15.119
<v Speaker 3>read back over the over the communications you've.

1056
01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:16.079
<v Speaker 1>Had your loved ones.

1057
01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:18.600
<v Speaker 3>And I think what you're going to find is a

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<v Speaker 3>richness of love and wisdom that you're going to value

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<v Speaker 3>and can make a difference in your life. So in

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<v Speaker 3>spite of the in spite of the doubt that always

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<v Speaker 3>you know can be there. Uh, I want to encourage

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<v Speaker 3>you to just keep doing it, try and do it

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<v Speaker 3>once a week and and and keep that relationship alive

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<v Speaker 3>through channeling.

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<v Speaker 2>M fantastic man. Thanks. I really appreciate you having this

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<v Speaker 2>discussion with you and this information.

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<v Speaker 3>Appreciate it very much, Cliff, thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to say that after reading most of the book,

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<v Speaker 2>the techniques are very simple. They seem simple, but if

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<v Speaker 2>you're always questioning thoughts and is this your higher self

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<v Speaker 2>is communicating with you or others? This takes a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of work, but he's made it quite simple, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can actually go to his YouTube channel and see

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<v Speaker 2>similar techniques that he's using. So what a great way

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<v Speaker 2>to connect with the loved one or a friend that

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<v Speaker 2>you deeply miss and really need to connect with. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a great way to start a form of communication.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you felt that it was not too beyond,

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<v Speaker 2>too far beyond your reach, or your felt like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>that I can never do something like that. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a very private and intimate form of communication. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>do it in from others. You go and you're in

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<v Speaker 2>your room, or you're in a quiet place by yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>by your self, and you do this work with a

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<v Speaker 2>notepad and a kind of a meditative state. You can

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<v Speaker 2>get this book on Amazon. It came out a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of months ago. Seeking your loved one on the other side.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's really a great step forward in therapy,

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<v Speaker 2>but also communication, communicating with the dead. Other cultures are

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<v Speaker 2>very much into this. The Latin culture has Day of

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<v Speaker 2>the Dead. They communicate and they commune with their dearly departed.

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<v Speaker 2>They celebrate life and death. So I hope you will

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<v Speaker 2>consider working with this technique. Hey, I want to remind

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<v Speaker 2>that's it for this show. I want to thank my

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<v Speaker 2>guest today, doctor Matthew McKay, coming to us from Berkeley, California.

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<v Speaker 2>As always, the team of Gail Tour, Mark Foster, and

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<v Speaker 2>Awards for that honor. All right, thank you, take care

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<v Speaker 2>of me, will and we'll talk to you next time.