Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny.
Speaker 2: Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey, this is Cliff,
Speaker 2: your host of Destiny. How you doing. Welcome and come
Speaker 2: on in and have a chair. Let's talk a little
Speaker 2: bit about this week's program. I have to say what
Speaker 2: a great group of explorers we had on our Guatemala tour.
Speaker 2: Just finished it. It was spectacular two weeks of exploration.
Speaker 2: Be on the lookout for a special edition where I
Speaker 2: talk with a number of the regional Guatemalan archaeologists. Their
Speaker 2: perspective on energy, temple energy, pyramid energy is much much
Speaker 2: different than Western archaelogists, and I have to say I
Speaker 2: was pleasantly surprised and really astonished at what they believe
Speaker 2: that what has been handed down through the generations on
Speaker 2: pyramid tech. And if you want to see some of
Speaker 2: the photographs that were taking go to Earth Ancient's Facebook
Speaker 2: page and you'll see t call, You'll see a number
Speaker 2: of other sites, and you'll see some individuals that were
Speaker 2: with us, including archaeological experts in the form of archaeologists.
Speaker 2: Now there's a special edition, there's a program that will
Speaker 2: add what we have some small clips from various people
Speaker 2: that were on the tour, Guatemala is much different than Mexico.
Speaker 2: The biggest issue is the biggest difference is that you
Speaker 2: can actually engage with the pyramids. You can actually climb them,
Speaker 2: you can sit and meditate. Most of the time we
Speaker 2: were at larger pyramids, those that our two hundred feet
Speaker 2: or taller. We attempted, in many cases succeeded in climbing
Speaker 2: to the top and doing meditation circles. And when you're
Speaker 2: sitting on top of those pyramids, they are generating toleric
Speaker 2: energy and pushing it out all over the place, and
Speaker 2: so you're sitting on a battery in a way. And
Speaker 2: I'm still processing exactly what we experienced, but I would
Speaker 2: say at most of the sites that we were able
Speaker 2: to ascend climb the pyramids, we were engaged with energy,
Speaker 2: and you can't do that in Mexico. You cannot engage
Speaker 2: with pyramids, you cannot engage with temples. They've banned people
Speaker 2: from doing ceremony, They've banned people from doing meditation. They've
Speaker 2: even banned for most of the country shaman, the native
Speaker 2: indigenous population, from doing ceremonial programs. And that is just crazy.
Speaker 2: And I think I've been talking about this now for
Speaker 2: a few years. This has to do with the church.
Speaker 2: This is not the government. This is the church stepping
Speaker 2: in and saying we do not want people to engage
Speaker 2: in higher levels of consciousness. We do not want them
Speaker 2: to become powerful and aware and self guided. We do
Speaker 2: not want that. So we are going to close this down.
Speaker 2: And it's done a terrible injustice, not only to the
Speaker 2: indigenous populations, but for anybody who's traveling down there now.
Speaker 2: One of the ways to get around that is to
Speaker 2: find recently excavated and open sites, and that's those are
Speaker 2: places that haven't been coordinated with the government or with
Speaker 2: the church, and so you can go and you can
Speaker 2: climb stuff and meditate. You can actually meditate, but you
Speaker 2: can meditate at the base. You cannot climb pyramids. I
Speaker 2: was shocked last year when we were in Yucatam. And
Speaker 2: my favorite site is Ushmol on the western edge of
Speaker 2: the peninsula. It's one of the golden sites of the Maya,
Speaker 2: one of the last sites, and it has a very
Speaker 2: special energy. And the way you contact it is you
Speaker 2: climb the great pyramid. You set up on top for
Speaker 2: you know, fifteen to twenty minutes, and you're bathed in
Speaker 2: this energy. Well, you can't climb that pyramid anymore. And
Speaker 2: the Great Pyramid is beautifully reconditioned. It's made for you know,
Speaker 2: people to climb on and engage, but it's off limits.
Speaker 2: So I can recommend Guatemala very freely. The people are warm,
Speaker 2: the hotels are wonderful. I will say this though. When
Speaker 2: we flew into Guatemala City, I didn't realize it was
Speaker 2: five thousand feet above sea level. And I am very
Speaker 2: sensitive to high elevations, and so I had a tough
Speaker 2: time at tel. And thank you Brad Toy for handing
Speaker 2: me some candies that he had returned from Peru. And
Speaker 2: these candies contain coca leaf. And when you're chewing or
Speaker 2: sucking on a candy with coca leaves, your body is acclimating.
Speaker 2: You don't get high. It's not like snorting cocaine or
Speaker 2: chewing cocaine. It is the leaf that changes your metabolism
Speaker 2: so that you can adapt better. And I had I
Speaker 2: think Brad gave me ten of these things. It is
Speaker 2: as a savior. It saved me because I'm having a
Speaker 2: hard time slavying and having a hard time meditane. I
Speaker 2: just it takes me a long time to acclimate. I'm
Speaker 2: just getting older and sensitive, but I really appreciate it
Speaker 2: that Brad, so thank you. And that's something to think
Speaker 2: about if and you can't get this stuff across the
Speaker 2: online because it's illegal in the States and it's probably
Speaker 2: illegal in Mexico. But I'll tell you, if you have
Speaker 2: any sensitivity to high elevations like I do, those those candies,
Speaker 2: those dried coca leave candies are a miracle. They are
Speaker 2: a miracle. I actually looked it up, and people use
Speaker 2: them quite regularly when they go to Lima, when they
Speaker 2: go not Lima, when they go to Peru or Cusco
Speaker 2: or machu Picco. It's a way to acclimate. So there
Speaker 2: you go. I was very happy to have those candies
Speaker 2: along with me. So great tour. Look for the special
Speaker 2: edition with a number of very special guests that describe
Speaker 2: t call and describe the experience that people are having
Speaker 2: when they engage with pyramids. Today's program is very is
Speaker 2: very appropriate. Seeking Your the title of the book is
Speaker 2: Seeking Your Loved One. On the other side, this is
Speaker 2: with doctor Matthew McKay. We've had Matthew on before and
Speaker 2: this is about lost loved ones, lost friends, and the
Speaker 2: holidays are just really hard on people who have recently
Speaker 2: loved a parent, a child, a friend, and those who
Speaker 2: have lost people that are thinking about their passing. This
Speaker 2: is a way to communicate with those people to feel connected,
Speaker 2: to feel their love, to feel support, and communicate with him.
Speaker 2: The title of the book again is Seeking Your Loved
Speaker 2: One on the other Side, Communications with the Invisible Universe.
Speaker 2: And this is an important book and very very easy
Speaker 2: to follow to connect with someone who has departed. And
Speaker 2: I know how people feel. You know, you lose a friend,
Speaker 2: you lose a parent or a child or someone that
Speaker 2: you're close to, and it's just wrenching during Christmas time
Speaker 2: because you're missing them. You're sitting and you're kind of
Speaker 2: like wallowing and self pity. It's tough. It's really really tough.
Speaker 2: So I think you're gonna like this. The techniques are
Speaker 2: very easy to learn. These are techniques that are ancestors used.
Speaker 2: And the other theme on this program is how our
Speaker 2: ancestors work with the dead to understand their physicality, to
Speaker 2: understand what happens when we pass over into death. And
Speaker 2: also it's a form of evolution when we are communicating
Speaker 2: with the souls of our departed loved ones and friends.
Speaker 2: Because they have not only the ACASHK records to work with,
Speaker 2: they have a lot of other information that you'll find
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Speaker 2: subscriptions started today. Holladays are a joyous time time to
Speaker 2: get together with loved ones and friends, but it's also
Speaker 2: difficult if you've lost someone. If you've had a friend
Speaker 2: pass away or a relative, it can really hurt and
Speaker 2: make you feelings feel sad and lonely. But I think
Speaker 2: I have a suggestion. We have a returning guest that
Speaker 2: may be a way to connect with your departed friend
Speaker 2: or family member. We're talking about a new book called
Speaker 2: Seeking Your Loved One on the other Side, Communications with
Speaker 2: the Invisible Universe. My returning guest this week is doctor
Speaker 2: Matthew McKay. He is a clinical psychologist and professor at
Speaker 2: Wright Institute, founder of the Berkeley CBT Clinic, and He
Speaker 2: has written a number of books on the death of
Speaker 2: his son Jordan and techniques on communicating with Jordan, which
Speaker 2: are included in this new book. So, Matt, welcome back
Speaker 2: to Destiny've got to have you on the program.
Speaker 1: Great to be with you, Cliff, Thank you.
Speaker 2: This is a tough time for people who have had
Speaker 2: lost loved ones, isn't it? Christmas? The holidays?
Speaker 3: It's just and it's an ache that people experience all
Speaker 3: year round, and yet at the holidays there's this marked
Speaker 3: absence of this human that we've loved and is no
Speaker 3: longer there at the table, is no longer there to
Speaker 3: greet us, to hug us, to celebrate and eat with us.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just, you know, it adds to the pain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, talk a little bit about Jordan. Of course, we
Speaker 2: know that he passed away, it's been almost ten years now.
Speaker 2: But you were distraught. You and your wife were very
Speaker 2: upset and were seeking ways to communicate with him, not
Speaker 2: really knowing where to go. But was what was going
Speaker 2: on with you personally at Matt. Was it the fact
Speaker 2: that you were just so distraught and upset that you
Speaker 2: just were out of your mind with wanting to know
Speaker 2: how he was talk a little bit about his Jordan's passing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he died suddenly. He was assaulted on the street
Speaker 3: in San Francisco by four men and he was shot
Speaker 3: in the back and died on the street. And so
Speaker 3: you know, we were completely unprepared for losing him. But
Speaker 3: I think my reaction, in Judy's reaction, it was the
Speaker 3: same I suspect as many parents who've lost a child
Speaker 3: and that is too desperately want to know does that
Speaker 3: humans still exist? Does that person that we love still exist?
Speaker 3: And if so, are they okay? You know, how are
Speaker 3: they wherever they are residing now on the other side.
Speaker 3: And so those were the questions that just were so
Speaker 3: compelling to me and drove me to keep looking for answers,
Speaker 3: you know. And like a lot of people, I started
Speaker 3: out with mediums. Talk to Felix Lherma, the famous medium
Speaker 3: in San Francisco, Boston Wells, and I had the experience
Speaker 3: of there listening to Jordan and then conveying to me
Speaker 3: what he was saying. But it was not a conversation.
Speaker 3: It was I mean, at best it was one sided,
Speaker 3: but it was it was a feeling of wanting to
Speaker 3: know more, but also wanting to say something myself and
Speaker 3: and and engage with him. And so I mean, I
Speaker 3: appreciated them, and I value them, Tilly Austin Wells, who's
Speaker 3: meant a lot to me. But I was left with
Speaker 3: this sense of, yeah, maybe he's there. I hope this
Speaker 3: is true. But I had no way of really communicating
Speaker 3: directly with him. So that was a big, you know,
Speaker 3: struggle for me. And the struggle continued, and eventually I
Speaker 3: started consulting a fellow named Alan Botkin who developed accidentally
Speaker 3: something called induced after death communication. Yeah, and he's a
Speaker 3: psychologist like I am, and he worked with folks who
Speaker 3: mostly Vietnam Vets, who had profound grief because they lost
Speaker 3: someone during the war. And he discovered and he uses
Speaker 3: the MDR which I use for my trauma clients. But
Speaker 3: by accident, he made a small variation in the MDR
Speaker 3: protocol and a Vet had the experience of fully seeing,
Speaker 3: hearing this nine year old girl he had lost in
Speaker 3: Vietnam he was about to adopt, and then she stepped
Speaker 3: on a mine and died in his arms, and he
Speaker 3: had this experience of she was there, she was communicating
Speaker 3: with him, and his grief disappeared. I mean he was
Speaker 3: healed by the experience. And so you know, Bodkin went
Speaker 3: on to treat lots and lots of people, mostly vets,
Speaker 3: and at one point he did his study and he
Speaker 3: had eighty nine vets who had profred grief, and he
Speaker 3: didn't tell them what to expect. He just used the MDR,
Speaker 3: which is pretty ordinary and classic treatment for trauma, and
Speaker 3: eighty one of them had what he called induced after
Speaker 3: death communication, so they actually heard, saw experienced that loved one.
Speaker 3: So it was an amazing thing.
Speaker 2: So I.
Speaker 3: Went to Chicago to see him and see if I
Speaker 3: could have that experience. And I did have that experience,
Speaker 3: and it blew my mind. I heard Jordan and he
Speaker 3: was very clear, and he was telling me the things
Speaker 3: I needed to know. He was telling me that he's okay,
Speaker 3: he loves us, he's watching over his and he's in
Speaker 3: a place where he's very happy and.
Speaker 1: Doing well.
Speaker 3: So that was a great experience and very profound, and
Speaker 3: it did help mitigate my grief.
Speaker 2: Why did you feel the need to move beyond that?
Speaker 2: And we're going to talk about Ralph Metzer's work here
Speaker 2: in a second, but that if you got the relief
Speaker 2: you were seeking, in this technique induced after death communication.
Speaker 2: Why didn't you pursue that more fully?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really good question because I do this
Speaker 3: with clients, with my own grief clients, and I'm not
Speaker 3: as good as a doctor Budkin, but I have you know,
Speaker 3: about fifty sixty percent of them actually do have induced
Speaker 3: after death communication, and it's usually the case that they
Speaker 3: feel such relief that, you know, they may not need
Speaker 3: any more than that. For me, I really needed to
Speaker 3: have a conversation because this is still one sided. Jordan
Speaker 3: was talking to me. I did hear him, and it
Speaker 3: was very clear, but I wasn't able to ask questions.
Speaker 3: I wasn't engaging. And you know, he and I had
Speaker 3: hundreds and hundreds of conversations in life, sitting around the
Speaker 3: kitchen table, talking about everything in the world, and I
Speaker 3: wanted to have that experience.
Speaker 2: You had a very communicative relationship, is what it sounds like.
Speaker 3: We did and we still do. And what I was
Speaker 3: thinking was to somehow recreate or recapitulate a relationship where
Speaker 3: we could talk to each other. I could ask questions,
Speaker 3: he could ask me questions. We could talk as much
Speaker 3: and as long as we wanted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also want to ask you, because I know
Speaker 2: Austin Wells very well. We've had her on the show
Speaker 2: a couple of times, why did your wife find relief
Speaker 2: in the mediumship? In you? Not it was just the
Speaker 2: fact that you were on the science side of it,
Speaker 2: you weren't getting the satisfaction that you needed. Or was
Speaker 2: it just that you wanted to move beyond mediumship and
Speaker 2: it was I think you mentioned somewhat frustrating for you,
Speaker 2: and perhaps you know that's why you decided to work
Speaker 2: with I met Ralph.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: One of the things that it's just sort of become
Speaker 3: more and more clear to me is that spirit souls
Speaker 3: on the other side in the spirit world used different
Speaker 3: means to communicate and connect with us. And for Judy,
Speaker 3: she could feel Jordan's presence in her body and she
Speaker 3: could feel his presence and has ever since she's been
Speaker 3: able to feel his presence. And it isn't necessarily words
Speaker 3: that she's getting. It's it's telepathic communication of a sense
Speaker 3: of things that that doesn't necessarily involve language, and that's
Speaker 3: been very reliable for her. It's it's something that sustains her.
Speaker 3: I'm different, I need lang. I communicate via language and
Speaker 3: Jordan has been willing and able to communicate to me
Speaker 3: via words, and so I've ended up relying more on that,
Speaker 3: and she has continued to feel his presence as she
Speaker 3: first I think did in a session with Austin. So
Speaker 3: we have different and I see this over and over
Speaker 3: again with clients who are struggling with grief. When I
Speaker 3: teach them how to do channeling, they often get messages differently.
Speaker 3: Some of them get messages as images it's just pictures.
Speaker 3: Some of them get messages as words, of course, sometimes
Speaker 3: as just not knowing without words. So the messages show
Speaker 3: up in different ways, and sometimes physical just the experience
Speaker 3: of that person actually merging in their body and they
Speaker 3: can feel it, that soul inside of them. So there
Speaker 3: are these different ways show up for us, and for me,
Speaker 3: Jordan has shown up with language, with words, and those
Speaker 3: words I've been able to put into books and to
Speaker 3: hopefully help people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to get into the training that you
Speaker 2: were given by Ralph Metzner here in a second. But
Speaker 2: did have you and did you have dreams with Jordan
Speaker 2: and your wife have dreams where you were communicating with
Speaker 2: him at all? Because you mentioned this in the book
Speaker 2: and I think this is something that a lot of
Speaker 2: people may be able to reference, is that they are
Speaker 2: having dreams of departed loved ones, usually right after they've
Speaker 2: left the planet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Yes, the answer is yes. And I
Speaker 3: would say the majority of people have some very profound
Speaker 3: dream after a loved one passes. And there's a difference
Speaker 3: between dreaming about love one and having a visitation.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: And and a visitation that occurs during a dream or
Speaker 3: at night has a vividness and an emotional intensity and
Speaker 3: clarity that dreams don't usually have. And I did have
Speaker 3: a number of dreams and visitations where Jordan was uh
Speaker 3: with me, and in one in one case, I was
Speaker 3: actually holding him as he was dying. In another, in
Speaker 3: another dream, uh, he was leading me into a library
Speaker 3: of of of where souls on the other side live
Speaker 3: and a place of truth and letting me know that
Speaker 3: I could communicate with him there.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: So, I've had over the years quite a few of
Speaker 3: the you know, And there's a difference there. Some of
Speaker 3: them are just dreams, but then some of them have
Speaker 3: this this vividness of a visitation. I had one a
Speaker 3: couple of nights ago, hugging him and I could feel
Speaker 3: his body and had a level of reality and intensity
Speaker 3: that again, dreams for me don't usually include. So yes,
Speaker 3: I think that's one of the ways that so it's
Speaker 3: probably the easiest way that souls can reach us is
Speaker 3: through dreams and the telepathic manipulation of our dreams. They
Speaker 3: can actually, in many case manipulate the images in our
Speaker 3: dreams so that we can have a sense of them
Speaker 3: that we might not be able to have otherwise.
Speaker 2: Now, really the beauty of your book, Matt is the
Speaker 2: fact that you want to help people develop a technique
Speaker 2: to communicate with departed loved ones and friends. And can
Speaker 2: you explain why this is important? Why the afterlife isn't
Speaker 2: just another place to go that in your belief and
Speaker 2: I think also our ancestors, working with the dearly departed
Speaker 2: or the dead is part of living, right.
Speaker 3: It's you know, what you're saying is really important because
Speaker 3: what Jordan has taught me is that the relationship between
Speaker 3: the living and the dead, and the love that exists
Speaker 3: between the living and the dead is absolutely unbreakable. And
Speaker 3: uh and so and we don't realize that we you know,
Speaker 3: the person has gone, We don't see them, we can't
Speaker 3: touch them and we had We don't realize, as Ralph
Speaker 3: told me, that they're just a thought away, that we
Speaker 3: can actually open the channel and communicate with them just
Speaker 3: by a simple act of intention. I want to talk
Speaker 3: to Jordan, and when I say that, and when I
Speaker 3: think of him with love, I'm starting to open the channel.
Speaker 3: And we don't realize that. You know, we think of
Speaker 3: our loved ones and we have this wave of grief
Speaker 3: and loss, and and we don't even have the understanding
Speaker 3: that that very moment in which we're thinking king of
Speaker 3: them with love is opening the channel and we could
Speaker 3: use the channel by asking them questions and engaging in
Speaker 3: a conversation. And so it's kind of it's interesting that,
Speaker 3: you know, we're actually in many cases opening the channel
Speaker 3: all the time, but not thinking to actually engage with
Speaker 3: the loved one in an active, present moment way of
Speaker 3: asking questions and receiving answers. And that's what Ralph taught me.
Speaker 3: He taught me how to channel, and so that was
Speaker 3: what I'd been looking for. It was the opportunity to
Speaker 3: finally have a two way conversation, to not just hear
Speaker 3: what had Jordan had to say, but spontaneously whatever he
Speaker 3: wanted to say to me, but also to ask questions
Speaker 3: and engage with him and learn from him and have
Speaker 3: a conversation. And so Ralph showed me, Yeah, it was probably.
Speaker 3: It took me to come half an hour to explain
Speaker 3: it to me, and I can do it with people
Speaker 3: now in five or six minutes.
Speaker 1: Really, wow, explain the us.
Speaker 3: And from that, you know, that night I went home
Speaker 3: and I started channeling with Jordan, and it changed my life.
Speaker 3: I'm not and and and that realization that these relationships
Speaker 3: continue to exist, that the love continues to exist, and
Speaker 3: we can reach for that person anytime we want. That,
Speaker 3: you know, really again, profoundly changed my life.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 2: with my guest today, doctor Matthew McKay, discussing his new book,
Speaker 2: Seeking Your Loved One. On the other side will be
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Speaker 2: Christmas time again, they say, it's so pretty. My guest
Speaker 2: today is doctor Matthew McKay. He has extended his work
Speaker 2: with his son Jordan, who passed away over ten years ago,
Speaker 2: and has released a new book called Seeking Your Loved
Speaker 2: One on the other Side. This is a book on
Speaker 2: working with dearly departed loved ones. Yeah, I want to
Speaker 2: talk about Ralph's technique here and have you explained the
Speaker 2: basics of it. But before we do that, obviously, Jordan
Speaker 2: is your was your son. He is your son still,
Speaker 2: He's in a different dimension. But have you gone beyond
Speaker 2: your relationship with him to communicate with others that have passed.
Speaker 1: A little bit?
Speaker 3: Not much. I've communicated a little bit with my dad
Speaker 3: and a little bit with my mom, but my primary,
Speaker 3: the source of communication from the other side is Jordan.
Speaker 3: Part of it is because I think he and I
Speaker 3: had agreed, you know, at my when we were you know,
Speaker 3: coming to this planet and we were agreeing to be
Speaker 3: parent and child. We agreed that we were going to
Speaker 3: be doing this work after his death that we were
Speaker 3: we were he was going to convey through me, and
Speaker 3: I was essentially going to be a scribe and write
Speaker 3: down that the things that he could tell us about
Speaker 3: the afterlife, about death, about the purpose of life. I
Speaker 3: mean he had he has had over the years, loss
Speaker 3: and loss say about these very profound issues and questions.
Speaker 3: And I and we had apparently agreed before you know,
Speaker 3: coming to this planet, that we would make an attempt
Speaker 3: to do that after his death. In fact, in a
Speaker 3: previous life he was we lived in a yeshiva, and
Speaker 3: he was an old rabbi and I was a young firebrand.
Speaker 3: And after he died, I was attempting to do the
Speaker 3: same thing, which almost got me kicked.
Speaker 1: Out of the yeshiva.
Speaker 3: They didn't want to hear about my conversations with the dead,
Speaker 3: particularly since some of the things he was telling me
Speaker 3: really didn't fit with orthodox ideas anyway. So I, you know,
Speaker 3: apparently we decided to do that in this life.
Speaker 1: And you know, he what he.
Speaker 3: Does is periodically he'll just say, Okay, now we're going
Speaker 3: to do a book on such and such, and in
Speaker 3: the space of five minutes, he'll outline the entire book,
Speaker 3: everything that's going to be in it. And then over
Speaker 3: the next you know, nine ten, he will go through
Speaker 3: each of the chapters and essentially dictate them to me.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's amazing. Yeah, Yeah, let's talk about discovering Ralph
Speaker 2: Metzer's material. It's called channel writing. Yeah, you gave up
Speaker 2: one of the key components, which is intention. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: talk about how someone can who's listening right now can
Speaker 2: work with this. Obviously you need to buy the book
Speaker 2: because we're not going to get into the specific details,
Speaker 2: but in a general way, Matt, what what are we
Speaker 2: talking about in terms of of the I'm going to
Speaker 2: call it the software to access the hardware.
Speaker 3: Well, I can describe the steps and you can get
Speaker 3: people if they want, can get more information from the
Speaker 3: book and also learn a lot. But but Jordan has
Speaker 3: to say about life and death. But it's actually pretty simple.
Speaker 3: It's it starts with it's helpful to have something physical
Speaker 3: that connects you to the loved one. It could be
Speaker 3: something they gave you or something that they they owned
Speaker 3: that you you can keep. Because physical objects do kind
Speaker 3: of open the open the channel a little bit. And
Speaker 3: so have have a physical object if you can, that
Speaker 3: belonged to or was given to you by that loved one.
Speaker 3: Have something that helps with eye fixation. This isn't absolutely necessary,
Speaker 3: but it helps to get into a receptive mode of
Speaker 3: that allows for supports channeling. So a candle works great,
Speaker 3: just you know, have a little candle that what I
Speaker 3: have a candle that my daughter gave me and and
Speaker 3: that I use traditionally as I start to channel with Jordan,
Speaker 3: and now you know you've got you. Now we want
Speaker 3: to have a simple kind of a postitium meditation, of
Speaker 3: a breath based meditation. And you can use other technique.
Speaker 3: You can't even use prayer. You can use auto hypnosis,
Speaker 3: you can use there are different ways you can open
Speaker 3: the channel, but the simplest and easiest way is a
Speaker 3: breath based meditation. So you just simply bring your attention
Speaker 3: down to your diaphragm, aware of that place in your
Speaker 3: body you note the breath. It's the simplest thing is
Speaker 3: to count each out breath one, two, three, four, counting
Speaker 3: maybe up to ten out breaths, and then a thought.
Speaker 3: If a thought occurs, bring your attention back to your breath.
Speaker 3: It's just those three things. Attention down your diaphragm, count
Speaker 3: each out breath, and then when the thought occurs, bring
Speaker 3: your attention back to your breath. And so you might
Speaker 3: go through several counts of ten until you just feel
Speaker 3: like you're receptive, you're ready. Your mind has slowed a
Speaker 3: little bit, there's a quieting inside of you. And and
Speaker 3: that really then is you know, preparing the groundwork.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And then Ralph taught me, when you feel that kind
Speaker 3: of receptivity and quietness and readiness, you know, think with
Speaker 3: love about your loved one on the other side. Just
Speaker 3: you know, just be aware of your love for them.
Speaker 3: Visualize an orb about the color of the sun, maybe
Speaker 3: six inches from your top of your head, and then
Speaker 3: allow it to elongate and reach all the way to
Speaker 3: the spirit world and to your loved one. And with
Speaker 3: that and that's your intention. My intention is to communicate,
Speaker 3: and the address of this conversation is going to be
Speaker 3: my particular loved one in the spirit world. And as
Speaker 3: I as I extend the orb into a tube, that
Speaker 3: is the channel, the channel opens. Okay, really is that
Speaker 3: simple that? But here's the other thing. You have to
Speaker 3: it's very important to have for this to be written down.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 3: Ideally you have a maybe a nice notebook that you
Speaker 3: can keep all these conversations in. And I value that
Speaker 3: because I first forget some of the things and then
Speaker 3: I get to read them again. And that it really
Speaker 3: means a lot to me to read his words and
Speaker 3: so I encourage people to have a nice notebook that
Speaker 3: they can write down the fruits of these conversations and
Speaker 3: then write the first question. And as you write the question,
Speaker 3: it helps actually deepen this almost trancelike state that you're
Speaker 3: entering and actually watching the words form on the page,
Speaker 3: and then just wait and inside your mind the first
Speaker 3: word that shows up, write it down, and wait for
Speaker 3: the next thing that shows up, and so forth, and
Speaker 3: don't worry about whether.
Speaker 1: It's true or it's not true.
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, of course we always have doubts, but
Speaker 3: just write down whatever shows up. And our minds are
Speaker 3: not going to be empty for long, and so whatever
Speaker 3: shows up, just start and wait for the next part
Speaker 3: of the sentence, and the sentence to finish, and then
Speaker 3: wait for the next sentence and for that to finish
Speaker 3: until it feels like there's been a pause, and then
Speaker 3: you can write the next question. And as I said,
Speaker 3: you know, the things that loved ones will communicate with
Speaker 3: us come in different ways. Sometimes it comes as a download,
Speaker 3: and we just know this huge knowing. One time Jordan
Speaker 3: downloaded an entire book to me at once, the entire.
Speaker 2: Does that feel like, Matt, What does that feel like?
Speaker 2: When that happens.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's really I mean, it sort of
Speaker 3: sounds silly to say it's intense, but it is. It's
Speaker 3: really intest because I actually was with at that moment,
Speaker 3: I was with Austin Wells and we were talking about Jordan. Suddenly,
Speaker 3: you know, this entire psychotherapy came down and concluding with images, charts, pictures,
Speaker 3: uh uh, steps in a treatment process. The whole thing
Speaker 3: just showed up. And after I left Austin, I went
Speaker 3: down and took me hours to write it all out.
Speaker 3: So what I'm getting at is that sometimes these things
Speaker 3: can show up as as an entire awareness, uh, very complex,
Speaker 3: and then we have to later go out and find
Speaker 3: the words to describe what what actually has been shown
Speaker 3: to us. So these these are things that are telepaths.
Speaker 3: All these are communications are telepaths.
Speaker 2: Did you communicate to Jordan like, dude, this is too much,
Speaker 2: you got to give it to me it's or did
Speaker 2: he just was excited?
Speaker 3: He was just excited and I was excited. I loved it,
Speaker 3: and I later turned it into a book and a
Speaker 3: whole therapy effect of the therapy that we use in
Speaker 3: our trauma clinic.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And I you know.
Speaker 2: This is an important piece of work that was down.
Speaker 3: It was an important was the whole all the steps
Speaker 3: of the therapy just showed up at once, and the
Speaker 3: whole thing showed up and I was blown away. And look,
Speaker 3: but I loved it. I mean, it was this incredible experience. Now,
Speaker 3: you know, most of the time we don't get you know,
Speaker 3: the big download. Sometimes we have just things that are
Speaker 3: showing up in a couple of words at a time,
Speaker 3: and very very focused.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And other times sometimes we I've had experiences where I
Speaker 3: can't even keep up writing as fast as I'm getting information,
Speaker 3: and I'm just I'm all slow down shortan wait, I
Speaker 3: can't get on and what I'm but what I'm suggesting
Speaker 3: is and is that there the information. The communication can
Speaker 3: happen in different ways.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: And and then as I mentioned, sometimes just images alone,
Speaker 3: just just pictures which we then have to do something
Speaker 3: with to try to retain and and and make sense.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and and different souls have different styles, right.
Speaker 2: I want you to talk a little bit about the
Speaker 2: new person, the person who's listening, who wants to try this.
Speaker 2: What are they going to feel, Matt, What are they
Speaker 2: going to feel when they're connecting. Is it going to
Speaker 2: be like aha, or I feel that person that feels
Speaker 2: like that feels like Jack or Bill or somebody. What
Speaker 2: are they gonna What's going to make them realize this
Speaker 2: is happening? And yeah, just out of the blue.
Speaker 3: A lot of people actually do have body sensations.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 3: It starts serving my scalp as the channel starts to open,
Speaker 3: and I can feel sensations at the top of my head.
Speaker 3: Sometimes when Jordan is present with me, I will feel
Speaker 3: it as sort of an electrical current in my body.
Speaker 3: And a lot of people who do channeling will describe
Speaker 3: that they can feel something happening in their body that
Speaker 3: coincides with the opening of the channel, the beginning of
Speaker 3: the communication process. So that's one thing that we can
Speaker 3: we can notice we're not hearing the words as if
Speaker 3: they're coming from outside our body. We're hearing them inside
Speaker 3: our own minds telepathic. So it's not, you know, don't
Speaker 3: expect that you're going to hear you know, like the
Speaker 3: word of God, you know, from the mouth Sinai coming
Speaker 3: down and and and and telling you something. It's it's internal.
Speaker 3: But what people notice who channel is that they learn
Speaker 3: things they that loved ones tell them things that never
Speaker 3: occurred to them that that and never in their wildest
Speaker 3: strange do they have that idea. And clearly it's coming
Speaker 3: from somewhere else, that idea, that concept. And oftentimes they
Speaker 3: notice that the style of communicating and use of language
Speaker 3: is very different from their own and very very similar
Speaker 3: to or identical to the loved one has passed. So
Speaker 3: people have the experience that's that some some different entity
Speaker 3: is communicating to them because they're telling them things they
Speaker 3: have never thought, and they're telling them things in a
Speaker 3: way and with in a style and with a language
Speaker 3: that is not their own.
Speaker 1: It's not typical of them. Uh.
Speaker 3: And and so I mean, Jordan has said so many
Speaker 3: things to me that blew my mind that never ever
Speaker 3: occurred to me before. And and so he keeps doing that.
Speaker 3: And and if you keep communicating and use a channel
Speaker 3: writing with your with a loved one, you will learn
Speaker 3: things that never ever occurred to you.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Also, you can ask loved ones about their their experience.
Speaker 3: I've talked to a couple recently whose son passed away
Speaker 3: committed suicide, and they were and they asked him how
Speaker 3: that happened, and what what what lay beneath that very
Speaker 3: you know, enormous decision and and they got information that
Speaker 3: was so different from anything they had imagined. Uh and
Speaker 3: and so profound. So I guess that's another reason I
Speaker 3: think to engage in channel community, not only to re
Speaker 3: establish the relationship and the love, but to learn what
Speaker 3: these souls know. The souls now that we're talking to
Speaker 3: who are on the other side have in many cases
Speaker 3: had hundreds of lives, and they have access to all
Speaker 3: that knowledge, and they have access to the spirit world
Speaker 3: and all the knowledge in the spirit world, and they
Speaker 3: do a certain amount of merging with all and getting
Speaker 3: downloads of knowledge from all. So they have an enormous
Speaker 3: database to share with us, and so they have enormous wisdom.
Speaker 3: And also they can advise us how to deal with
Speaker 3: things that we are stumped. We just don't know what
Speaker 3: to do. Jordan helps me all the time with things
Speaker 3: I'm wondering about with my daughter Beck and I'm very
Speaker 3: grateful for support and help. Yeah, and so we can
Speaker 3: get a lot of advice from these very wise loved
Speaker 3: ones who have access to knowledge that we don't have.
Speaker 2: I love hearing that because this is one of the
Speaker 2: issues that is coming up in the work that we
Speaker 2: do here at Earth Ancients and Destiny, which is that
Speaker 2: our ancestors actually used their dead relatives, friends, and so
Speaker 2: on as a form of information and perhaps even to
Speaker 2: the point where the information that was downloaded was a
Speaker 2: form of evolution. So this is extremely important. Do you
Speaker 2: have any sense of that, Matt when I mentioned that,
Speaker 2: you know, they were the ancients, that our ancestors were
Speaker 2: using the departed souls as information outlets.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean the whole concept of psychomanteums and you
Speaker 3: know those mirrors through which ancient Egypt not Greek people
Speaker 3: would communicate to the dead, but they would use that
Speaker 3: as a means of getting knowledge and and so it
Speaker 3: sort of opened this door through which knowledge could come
Speaker 3: from the other world. And and you know, and of
Speaker 3: course there's a long tradition of mediumship in the ancient
Speaker 3: world in which uh, you know, savath savants could could
Speaker 3: communicate with the other side and help guide a community
Speaker 3: or a group of people. So yes, the seeking knowledge
Speaker 3: from the other side has been something that's been part
Speaker 3: of our ancestral history and and we we sort of
Speaker 3: have forgotten that that there's all this knowledge and wisdom
Speaker 3: there that we we could access and and because of
Speaker 3: the role of acience in our lives, we've discounted what
Speaker 3: we could learn from.
Speaker 2: It's too incredible for science with their testing, and the
Speaker 2: scientific method has to be proven and so forth and
Speaker 2: so on. I would think that a lot of this
Speaker 2: is discounted by orthodoxy as a woohoo, you know, craziness,
Speaker 2: you know, but you're making a really good point. Can
Speaker 2: you describe your relationship with Jordan in terms of his
Speaker 2: downloads to you that are you mentioned they're helpful and
Speaker 2: you weren't very specific, but you know, perhaps giving you
Speaker 2: an idea of what the future looks like, or a
Speaker 2: machine or device, or a concept, maybe just a concept
Speaker 2: alone would be something that would take us to another
Speaker 2: level evolutionary wise.
Speaker 3: Well, one of the things that Jordan says to me
Speaker 3: is that souls in spirit generally don't tell us much
Speaker 3: about the future. And and there's a reason for that,
Speaker 3: because because we come here for one reason, which is
Speaker 3: to learn every soul is, you know, and of course
Speaker 3: the Earth is not the only place souls incarnate. There
Speaker 3: planets everywhere where souls are incarnating in various kinds of
Speaker 3: animal forms and species, and so souls are incarnating in
Speaker 3: lots of places, but they do it for one reason,
Speaker 3: which is to which is to learn. And our main
Speaker 3: task is to trying to learn how to love with
Speaker 3: all of the resistance that a physical environment creates, still loving,
Speaker 3: and and so that's that's our destiny, that's our work.
Speaker 3: And of course each of us comes with a fairly
Speaker 3: specific lesson plan and anticipating a lot of different things
Speaker 3: that are going to happen to us in a lifetime,
Speaker 3: all which will contribute to that lesson plan. So all
Speaker 3: the pain we suffer is not our fault. It's not
Speaker 3: something that's wrong, or it's an indictment of our life
Speaker 3: or our choices. Pain is just an opportunity for us
Speaker 3: to learn. So all the souls come here for that
Speaker 3: one purpose, and they gather knowledge, wisdom, they learn, and
Speaker 3: they take it back to the.
Speaker 1: Whole to all.
Speaker 3: You know, So all is continuing, if you want to
Speaker 3: call all, God is continuing to evolve.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I grew up Catholic, and the Catholic idea is that
Speaker 3: God is you know, just perfect and does not grow
Speaker 3: or evolve. And God's main job is to sit there
Speaker 3: and make judgments about whether we've lived a good life
Speaker 3: or a bad life, and whether we're going to the
Speaker 3: hot place or the good place and all that stuff,
Speaker 3: none of that is true. God is continuing to evolve,
Speaker 3: and we are. Our special work, in our acred duty
Speaker 3: in some way is to come here and learn things
Speaker 3: that help God and all evolve. That's what we're doing.
Speaker 3: And so God breaks into small little piece of pieces
Speaker 3: of consciousness us. We come here, we go through all
Speaker 3: these experiences, all his pain, all his struggle, and we
Speaker 3: and what we learned then gets uploaded back into a
Speaker 3: greater knowledge and awareness and all. Yeah, that's pretty amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he talks about that. And these are the things he
Speaker 3: teaches me. He says, Well, that's your purpose life, dad,
Speaker 3: And and and here is some of the specifics for
Speaker 3: your particular life and your particular journey in your particular
Speaker 3: lesson plan of what you need to work on.
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Speaker 2: My guest today is doctor Matthew McKay. He has written
Speaker 2: a number of books with his son Jordan, who passed
Speaker 2: away over ten years ago. And this is a form
Speaker 2: of channeled writing, seeking information from the other side, from
Speaker 2: dearly departed. I have this image of you sitting down
Speaker 2: and him dictating to you, and you're running as fast
Speaker 2: as you can to get it down.
Speaker 3: You know that's happened. Really, I'm getting writers cramp. I
Speaker 3: can't keep and yeah, and it's very sweet, It's it
Speaker 3: feels kind of wonderful to have these intense conversations. But
Speaker 3: also I feel like I'm I feel like I'm I'm
Speaker 3: in a classroom with the greatest teacher of all who's
Speaker 3: you know, who's who has all this knowledge, all this wisdom,
Speaker 3: And it's just it's and it's a tutorial just for me.
Speaker 3: Uh and of course with the purpose that I need
Speaker 3: to turn it into something to pass it on for
Speaker 3: other people to tell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is there a satisfaction in this communication with Jordan.
Speaker 2: Is it enough for you to feel obviously great gratitude,
Speaker 2: but the love that you are seeking.
Speaker 3: I feel deeply connected to him what I had hoped for,
Speaker 3: which was to find him again, to have a conversation,
Speaker 3: to be able to re engage the deep love connection
Speaker 3: we have that Ralph gave.
Speaker 1: Me the ability to do.
Speaker 3: And all these years I've had this relationship with him
Speaker 3: and it has made a huge difference in my life.
Speaker 1: He is not gone.
Speaker 3: The love is not gone. And I would say that
Speaker 3: to anyone who who happens to be, you know, listening
Speaker 3: in on this, you know your loved one is still there.
Speaker 3: They're still conscious of you. You can open the channel
Speaker 3: anytime you want.
Speaker 1: You can.
Speaker 3: You can ask questions and learn some of what they know.
Speaker 3: You can get advice, you can learn about the afterlife
Speaker 3: and what to expect. And one of the things Jordan
Speaker 3: did was he you know, I've had a kind of
Speaker 3: a fear of death all my life, and and he
Speaker 3: decided that we're going to write this book. I should
Speaker 3: say we He's going to write this book about about
Speaker 3: what to expect at death and how to prepare for it,
Speaker 3: which became another one of a book called The Luminous
Speaker 3: Landscape of the Afterlife and and he had this, you know,
Speaker 3: and he wanted to do it partly because I have
Speaker 3: always feared death, and but also he knows that that's
Speaker 3: you know, ubiquitous. We mean, all of the people you
Speaker 3: know are trying to you know, are struggling with the
Speaker 3: possibility and prospect of death.
Speaker 1: And he wanted to show them how to prepare for it.
Speaker 3: And what what is on the other side exactly what
Speaker 3: is there?
Speaker 2: What? What? What are you?
Speaker 1: What is waiting for you?
Speaker 2: And uh?
Speaker 3: And so he used to have these missions and and
Speaker 3: that and he uses me for for providing this knowledge
Speaker 3: to others.
Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing. Real quickly, you have a section in here
Speaker 2: that you've added five different points, uh, which you consider
Speaker 2: conversations that can help us gain And I want to
Speaker 2: kind of quickly go over first and most important is
Speaker 2: we preserved the connection across life and death divide, which
Speaker 2: is the fundamental of what you're saying, which is, even
Speaker 2: though the person has physically died, they are still there
Speaker 2: on a spiritual soul level, and as a soul living
Speaker 2: in a physical body, you still have access to that person.
Speaker 2: I think that's the first point that you made that.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. And to me, that's the most important
Speaker 3: thing that I've learned from Jordan is that our relationships
Speaker 3: to the people we love never die and are always
Speaker 3: ever living, and the love between us is ever living
Speaker 3: and we can connect to it essentially whenever we want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing. The other one is we are able
Speaker 2: to receive support from the dead. We know when we
Speaker 2: are not that we are not alone without their love
Speaker 2: and counsel. And you've been kind of giving us a
Speaker 2: sense of that. But I think that we won't know
Speaker 2: that we're going to get love and counsel unless we
Speaker 2: do the process of the channel work, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I think people, many people
Speaker 3: develop a sense that their loved one is still there
Speaker 3: for them. I mean they sometimes, you know, they'll see
Speaker 3: animals that remind them of the loved one and behave
Speaker 3: in strange ways. And by the way, souls on the
Speaker 3: other side can influence animal behavior. They don't become the animal,
Speaker 3: but they can influence animal behavior if they can make
Speaker 3: a bird walk over it and stand next to you
Speaker 3: for twenty minutes, and you know, and Jordan does that
Speaker 3: all the time Judy and I are at the beach,
Speaker 3: I mean, there is invariably a bird will just out
Speaker 3: of nowhere, just show up and just walk right up
Speaker 3: to us and in many case just sit there and
Speaker 3: look at us for many minutes.
Speaker 1: At a time.
Speaker 3: And you know, the bird is not Jordan, but Jordan
Speaker 3: is influencing the consciousness of the bird to do something unusual.
Speaker 3: And this I mean and lots of people realize that
Speaker 3: that they that birds and other animals do things that
Speaker 3: are unusual, and they realize there's a connection between that
Speaker 3: animal behavior and a loved one who is influencing it.
Speaker 3: So people people do realize that loved ones can show
Speaker 3: up in that form or you know, with with animals
Speaker 3: suddenly behaving in unusual ways. And of course we talked
Speaker 3: about dreams, uh the visitations that are so powerful that
Speaker 3: you wake up shaken and uh overwhelmed with the presence.
Speaker 1: Of that of that loved one. Then there are there
Speaker 1: there are just.
Speaker 3: The experiences what we've talked about what Judy has, the
Speaker 3: experiences of the loved one inside your body and just
Speaker 3: just feeling that their res they for a few moments,
Speaker 3: they take up residence. They they are physically merging in
Speaker 3: your body and people recognize that. So there are you know,
Speaker 3: there are other ways to encounter loved ones and to
Speaker 3: know their presence besides channeling. But what channeling offers that
Speaker 3: these other methods don't, these other experiences don't, is actually
Speaker 3: learning what our loved one's experience is in the other
Speaker 3: side and and also gaining wisdom from them. Channeling is
Speaker 3: the only way to actually do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing. Number Three here is something that we
Speaker 2: talked a little bit about, which is discovering one's life purpose,
Speaker 2: which is huge for a lot of people who are
Speaker 2: just kind of wrong aimiously and not knowing what the
Speaker 2: hell is going on. If and I'd like to ask
Speaker 2: you about that. Has Jordan presented your life purpose and
Speaker 2: perhaps those around you who are important.
Speaker 3: He's been very clear about my life purpose. Judy's life
Speaker 3: purpose really his life what he came here to do
Speaker 3: in this particular life. And we all show up on
Speaker 3: this planet with a life purpose, which is essentially our
Speaker 3: lesson plan what we came here to learn and in
Speaker 3: some cases to do. And yeah, so life, you know,
Speaker 3: life for poses and there are ways to access it.
Speaker 3: I mean, you can use channeling to access because our
Speaker 3: loved one probably knows what our life purpose is, particularly
Speaker 3: if the loved one is somebody who's been very close
Speaker 3: to us in life, you know, because we probably incarnated
Speaker 3: and chose to incarnate together in this particular life, in
Speaker 3: this particular time and place and family, and and that
Speaker 3: choice was made knowing that each of us had a
Speaker 3: purpose or a lesson that we were seeking to learn
Speaker 3: in this life.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: One of the things that Jordan has talked a lot
Speaker 3: about is soul groups. Soul groups are like little families
Speaker 3: and of you know, usually somewhere between eight and twenty souls,
Speaker 3: and they incarnate together oftentimes, and they incarnate into the same.
Speaker 1: You know, of.
Speaker 3: Geological geographical area. Often it's certainly the same era, the
Speaker 3: same time period, and often then end up interacting with
Speaker 3: each other in special ways, so that it's like a
Speaker 3: little repertory theater that over many, many many centuries and
Speaker 3: many lifetimes keeps showing up in a new play and
Speaker 3: in new relationships. And so in some cases, are you know,
Speaker 3: somebody in our soul group was our mother, and another
Speaker 3: life they're a child, and another life there an antagonist
Speaker 3: of some kind, and another life there some imprecious teacher
Speaker 3: that helped influence I mean, and so our you know,
Speaker 3: our our soul group can we can have many, many
Speaker 3: different relationships with that over many lives in the past life.
Speaker 3: Jordan was my wife, for example, in one past life,
Speaker 3: which was very kind of hard to.
Speaker 1: Get used to that idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. Uh. Number four out of these five
Speaker 2: points is, and I'd like you to speak to this.
Speaker 2: We can find greater acceptance for the pain in life?
Speaker 2: Is that just the life that we are living. And
Speaker 2: some of us may be having a harder time than
Speaker 2: others and we're just kind of lost or how do.
Speaker 3: You well, part of the problem is that we come
Speaker 3: here in many case cases we don't know what the
Speaker 3: purpose of life is. And we think, and a lot
Speaker 3: of people think the purpose of life is to have
Speaker 3: pleasure and avoid pain, right, to have a kind of
Speaker 3: happiness of of uh in you know, where there's more
Speaker 3: enjoyment than not and and and that's that's what we're
Speaker 3: seeking in life now. The fact is that most people
Speaker 3: don't have a life where there's more enjoyment than not.
Speaker 3: And you know, most of our lives involve quite a
Speaker 3: bit of struggle.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And and and so.
Speaker 3: If if it was true that the purpose of life
Speaker 3: is to have as much enjoyment as possible and avoid
Speaker 3: as much pain as possible, we'd be in a lot
Speaker 3: of trouble because that just doesn't seem to be true
Speaker 3: for most of us. And so we tend to think
Speaker 3: of pain as a problem like that, this is something,
Speaker 3: you know, we should be avoiding, and if we have pain,
Speaker 3: that something is wrong, We've screwed up, we've made a mistake.
Speaker 3: And so learning that the purpose of life is about
Speaker 3: evolving and growing and learning as the soul, that's why
Speaker 3: we come here, and that pain is one of the
Speaker 3: main things that helps us grow. Every time we have pain,
Speaker 3: it gives us a set of choices. How you know,
Speaker 3: what can I what can I do in the face
Speaker 3: of that pain to still be a loving human being?
Speaker 3: And so all of those choices are how we grow.
Speaker 3: And the opportunities for choices and learning and growth often
Speaker 3: come from speriences of pain. So pain isn't a problem.
Speaker 3: It's not something that we failed when we feel pain.
Speaker 3: It's an opportunity uh to make choices that help us grow.
Speaker 3: Woll So I mean I it's a whole different Jordan
Speaker 3: is advocating a whole different relationship to pain, and uh,
Speaker 3: and and that and that. Again, our the purpose of
Speaker 3: life is to grow and evolve and learn. So everything
Speaker 3: that teaches us something is good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just experienced it in different ways, I think
Speaker 2: is what you're suggesting. Uh. The final point of these
Speaker 2: five points of conversation with the Dad is conversations allow
Speaker 2: us to give support to the ones on the other side.
Speaker 2: And I was surprised to read that are you suggesting
Speaker 2: that Jordan and others who have passed over have their
Speaker 2: own grief that they're working with, that there they need
Speaker 2: to hear from the living that they're loved and missed
Speaker 2: and so forth and so on.
Speaker 3: This is really an interesting question. First of all, just
Speaker 3: to be clear, our souls exist both in the afterlife
Speaker 3: or in the spirit world, and in an incarnated form
Speaker 3: here on earth at the same time. So part of
Speaker 3: our soul energy always stays in the spirit world, in
Speaker 3: our soul group and with the people that we love.
Speaker 3: So I'm so some of my soul energy right now
Speaker 3: is in the spirit world and is with Jordan, some
Speaker 3: of his spirit, some of his energy, and this is
Speaker 3: in the spirit world and is in a new life.
Speaker 3: He is incarnated into a new life. So our soul
Speaker 3: energy is serve of divided So at any given time
Speaker 3: we are all part of us in the spirit world,
Speaker 3: and our relationships there are all very active interesting. But
Speaker 3: but some of our energy is divided up, and when
Speaker 3: we incarnate, it enters into a physical body. So the
Speaker 3: souls in spirit receive love. Uh and ore and there there,
Speaker 3: there's their spirit is.
Speaker 1: It's not healed, they don't need healing.
Speaker 3: But there but there, but there's but their spirit receives
Speaker 3: and takes in love. And it can take in love
Speaker 3: from from souls who are in spirit, It can take
Speaker 3: in love from all, and it can take in love
Speaker 3: from us who are still on earth and and love
Speaker 3: them and miss them. And and so when we send
Speaker 3: them love, they receive it mm hmm. It enhances their
Speaker 3: experience because they by receiving love from us, their experience
Speaker 3: of love expands. And and so it so it is
Speaker 3: something we can give very actively to souls on the
Speaker 3: other side. So so when we think of them with love,
Speaker 3: they receive that telepathically and and and that love expands
Speaker 3: inside of that soul and and so and and these
Speaker 3: souls carry a lot of love inside of them, but
Speaker 3: every time we send love, there's more and they can
Speaker 3: feel it. And and they feel that active love that
Speaker 3: exists between us and that soul and spirit. Uh and
Speaker 3: it and it's it's it's a living thing, and it
Speaker 3: warms them. Ah and and so yes, there's something we
Speaker 3: can give souls and spirit. Yes, they they live in
Speaker 3: a good, wonderful environment.
Speaker 1: They're they're surrounded by love.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: They're learning there as well as we are learning here.
Speaker 3: But when we send love, it warms them.
Speaker 2: That's fantastic. As we close, Matt, who did you write
Speaker 2: this book for. Did you write it for people who
Speaker 2: have had recent departed loved ones or did you write
Speaker 2: it for a different audience.
Speaker 3: No, I wrote it for people who are who have
Speaker 3: lost someone uh and and don't and and and and
Speaker 3: and don't know if they can find them that soul again.
Speaker 3: They're they're you know, they're scared that they've made that
Speaker 3: soul and be gone lost forever. Uh And and I
Speaker 3: wrote it for that person who who's grieving uh and
Speaker 3: struggling with you know, trying to make sense of death
Speaker 3: and uh and trying to help them to realize that
Speaker 3: that loved one is still fully alive in spirit and
Speaker 3: and the love between them is fully alive and and
Speaker 3: and they can tap into it anytime they want. So
Speaker 3: the relationship is still there, The loved one is still there,
Speaker 3: is still available, is still able to connect and can
Speaker 3: still and they can send love back and forth to
Speaker 3: each other in real time. And I just that's the
Speaker 3: person I was hoping the book could help.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fantastic. The book's called Seeking Your Loved One on
Speaker 2: the Other Side, Communications with the Invisible Universe. And my
Speaker 2: guest today has been doctor Matthew McKay. This book just
Speaker 2: came out.
Speaker 1: You can get it on.
Speaker 2: Amazon, matt. Once you get people of the other content
Speaker 2: social media. You have a YouTube channel, don't you.
Speaker 3: Well they can I have some lectures there on YouTube.
Speaker 3: But they're seeking Jordan dot com if they want to
Speaker 3: read more of of Jordan's writing.
Speaker 2: Seeking Jordan dot Com. Yeah, right, fantastic. Hey, a really
Speaker 2: a good book for the holidays. This is a real
Speaker 2: tough time for a lot of people, and you offer
Speaker 2: some really great suggestions and technique. Uh and I want
Speaker 2: to close real quickly. A couple of clients perhaps that
Speaker 2: you've heard back from after using and teaching them this uh,
Speaker 2: this technique, what they're uh, what their success rates been.
Speaker 3: You know, I've taught channeling to hundreds of people, and
Speaker 3: most of the people, the vast, vast majority of people
Speaker 3: are able to channel with very little and straining, with
Speaker 3: basically the instruction which we've just described, they can channel.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And of course some people really struggle with doubt, and
Speaker 3: that's okay, you know, there's but what I encourage people
Speaker 3: to do is keep channeling. Yeah, sometimes you're gonna have doubt,
Speaker 3: like I wonder if this is really my loved one
Speaker 3: and am I making this up? Is this in my mind?
Speaker 3: And you know that's very understandable, And but just keep
Speaker 3: doing it and write down everything you get and periodically
Speaker 3: read back over the over the communications you've.
Speaker 1: Had your loved ones.
Speaker 3: And I think what you're going to find is a
Speaker 3: richness of love and wisdom that you're going to value
Speaker 3: and can make a difference in your life. So in
Speaker 3: spite of the in spite of the doubt that always
Speaker 3: you know can be there. Uh, I want to encourage
Speaker 3: you to just keep doing it, try and do it
Speaker 3: once a week and and and keep that relationship alive
Speaker 3: through channeling.
Speaker 2: M fantastic man. Thanks. I really appreciate you having this
Speaker 2: discussion with you and this information.
Speaker 3: Appreciate it very much, Cliff, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: I had to say that after reading most of the book,
Speaker 2: the techniques are very simple. They seem simple, but if
Speaker 2: you're always questioning thoughts and is this your higher self
Speaker 2: is communicating with you or others? This takes a little
Speaker 2: bit of work, but he's made it quite simple, and
Speaker 2: you can actually go to his YouTube channel and see
Speaker 2: similar techniques that he's using. So what a great way
Speaker 2: to connect with the loved one or a friend that
Speaker 2: you deeply miss and really need to connect with. This
Speaker 2: is a great way to start a form of communication.
Speaker 2: I hope you felt that it was not too beyond,
Speaker 2: too far beyond your reach, or your felt like, oh
Speaker 2: that I can never do something like that. This is
Speaker 2: a very private and intimate form of communication. You don't
Speaker 2: do it in from others. You go and you're in
Speaker 2: your room, or you're in a quiet place by yourself,
Speaker 2: by your self, and you do this work with a
Speaker 2: notepad and a kind of a meditative state. You can
Speaker 2: get this book on Amazon. It came out a couple
Speaker 2: of months ago. Seeking your loved one on the other side.
Speaker 2: I think it's really a great step forward in therapy,
Speaker 2: but also communication, communicating with the dead. Other cultures are
Speaker 2: very much into this. The Latin culture has Day of
Speaker 2: the Dead. They communicate and they commune with their dearly departed.
Speaker 2: They celebrate life and death. So I hope you will
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