Speaker 1: What is up, Fellowsick goes, I am Danna Valley coming
at you without my co host, mister Grant Hughes. But
it is the third piece of fullish length content we're
trying to release for you each week. I will do
it solo because I'm going to react to Kenny for real,
reacting to my trade ideas for every NBA team. I
was actually come up with an idea that every NBA
team should propose right now. I think it's probably like
a few weeks old at this point. He reacted to
it on his channel, and I figured maybe we go
with a little reaction inception. This is me reacting to
Kenny for real, reacting to me. If you enjoy it,
let me know in the YouTube comments, let me know
inn our discord, or find me on the socials all
those links during the podcast YouTube description. If this is
something that you enjoy seeing kind of the person who
created these ideas reacting to other people's opinions of them.
Maybe we'll make it a semi staple whenever it happens.
Kenny I did not consume a lot of his content until,
like I don't, I guess two years ago. As someone
pointed it out to me referenced it. He seems to
have a lot of fun covering the league, might even
say he enjoys it. People who follow Kenny will understand
what that means, and I really appreciate people who cover
it in that regard. I have not watched Slash listen
to this particular episode video that he posted, which I
think will make it more fun. So I'll be curious
to see what he thinks. But yeah, let me know
how it goes. This is interesting. I want to know
what he has to say, and without further delay, let's
hop to it. So the one note I think is
worth clarifying here and I'm curious to see if he
gets into it is each of these deals are supposed
to be proposed from the team under their actual subheading,
where it would be we're gonna start with the Atlanta
Hawks because it goes alphabetically, the Hawks should call and
propose this deal. I framed it and meant to be
in a way of No, they're not supposed to be lopsided,
where it's can the Hawks trade Garrison, Matthews, Riihannis, Attenta
Kumpo or something. It was supposed to be realistic, but
it was also supposed to represent a starting point negotiations.
I understand people aren't always gonna interpret it that way,
but I feel like that was an interesting backstop to this.
And finally, I don't write, analyze, propose trades to actually
get people mad. I know that's what generates engagement.
Speaker 2: We know.
Speaker 1: That's why I write them a lot of Bleacher Report.
I've never been forced to write them at Pleacher Report.
We do have the ability to say no. I've said
no to pitches in the past, So I don't get
bent out of shape when people are angry, because I
understand that's the business. But I do when I see
the screenshots going around or even see kind of, you know,
maybe some of the cutups, I think it's important context,
Like I did put thought into this, and there was
sort of a different framework involved as to how these
were being proposed. That doesn't mean you have to like
these deals, does mean you have to like me or
my justification, but I thought that that was at least
important to note. Now for real, let's get to Kenny
for real. Reacting to my NBA trade ideas, It's not tray.
Speaker 2: Season, but it's always trace season. If you feel what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Right off the bat. He's right, it's always trade season.
I know some people don't want to consume that on them,
but everyone wants to talk about trades, maybe with the
exception of like immediately after the trade deadline or a
week or two when you know trades can't happen for
a while. But Kenny's onto something clearly right there.
Speaker 2: One trade every NBA team should proposed right now, leave
a like subscribe. Let's get into it with the Thana Hawks.
So the Atlanta Hawks are gonna propose to get Uzman
Zan get Jalen Williams in one first round pick that
is at least favorite between one, two, three, four, five
different teams for Larry Dance Junior and Vic Regie. Oh.
I mean, okay, Uzman Jag is one of those players
I feel like a lot of bad teams would be
interested in. Not that he's having some phenomenal seasons, actually
not shooting the ball very well, but he's young enough.
It was a lottery pick that I feel like teams
will take a chance on. This is like, okay, see saying, hey,
we have.
Speaker 1: Zero centers for the time being Larry NaN's Jews. Actually
now they do have centers. Back Isaiah Hartenstein is playing.
But I did write this in the aftermath of Cat's
injury when Larry Nanz Junior even had a smaller role
with the with the Hawks himself, and also as a
quick note, Usman Jang has played some small ball five
for okay, see, but please carry.
Speaker 2: On a pretty solid season at the center position. Well,
we're gonna grab him and give you a first round
pick that might not really be a first round pick
if it's crazy. Sometimes can play. But it's one of
those trades. It's like, eh, I mean, if you can
get a first round pick, even if it is one
of the ones that may not.
Speaker 1: It's if you can get a first round pick for
Larry Nance Junior on an expiring contract. I don't care
how low level it is. You do it. And I
would argue that the Thunder might be the team that
would say no to this, just because you still do
have that draft equity in Ushman Jang.
Speaker 2: Can they ever in a prospect like Uzmanzang for Larry
Nance is kind of a come up if you're Atlanta,
because it's not like Larry Nance is part of the
long term future whatsoever. Give a bunch of minutes even
though they got a crazy four rotation over there. Anyway,
this is one of those stories that have happened right now,
I wouldn't have a video ready to talk about it.
Speaker 1: I don't know whether it be insulted by that he
wouldn't have a video for Larry Nance Junior Trade. I
thinke that look for the first one, and we're not
gonna spend as much time on all of these. I'll
take it. I'll take the analysis of it. I don't
expect anyone to get everyone, excuse me, to get excited
about Larry Nance Junior Trade. The still are kind of
in a different position than they were when I had
written about that, and I thought the flyer on Usman Jang,
pair him with Resis sche and Byson Daniels and Hunter
now that he's healthy, and maybe you could do just
a bunch of different things. Defensively, I still kind of
like that one for Okasee. If they're looking for a
little big man insurance, I just wonder if they'd be
okay giving up a first however, like they have so many,
and it's going to be back of the basically when
you're looking at it, it's not going to be of
the teams that were involved a really good first round pick,
would they give up both Fernance? But if you're Atlanta,
would you just take Usman Jang Fernance knowing that Okay
Jang has another year left on his rookie scale, somewhat
intriguing prospect at least when you look at his physical profile.
Who knows. So we're off to not so much of
a better start. But I don't mind anything he said.
Speaker 2: You got the boss to Celtics a mere Coffee for
Jada Spring in a second round pick. A mere Coffee
is one of the most efficient shooters of basketball right now.
It's not like the Clippers are trying to rebuild, right
They're trying to stay competitive and waiting, waiting, waiting Ti
Kawai comes back. So it feels weird for them to
be selling a guy like a mere Coffee for a
second rounder. And I'm not saying Jadis Springer can't be
good one day, but like you feel me, so that's
kind of a nothing trade to me.
Speaker 1: Wow, I will say Jaden Springer probably won't be good.
Thought process there was you would have like the Clippers
aren't doing it, but if you could give them that,
maybe multiple seconds at that point, and you have Jaden
Springer's salaries Boston to sort of match things with. Would
they consider it the Clippers, Yes, they don't have control
over their own draft moving forward. But if you don't
want to pay coffee moving forward either, it's it's no
one void I think at this point, because of their
draft obligations, you're not just taking a couple of seconds
and getting rid of a mere coffee, but a mere
coffee on Boston would be absolute fire.
Speaker 2: Brooklyn nets, Obi Topping and Jeris Walker for DFS and
Dayron's sharp whoa ah do do do do do?
Speaker 1: Do? His mind seems sufficiently blown. You're welcome, everybody.
Speaker 2: Dude, What do I feel about this? I'm feeling a
strong no for the Indiana Pacers, mostly because I really
like Jeers Walker. I know he has some times where
he could get kind of shot happy and put his
head down and not make the greatest decision when you
have the ball in his hands, But just last week alone,
I saw him guard Luka Doncs, Jalen Brunson, Franz Wagner
and half Possessions on car Anthony Towns Like I like
that level of versatility for my young player in because
the Indiana Pays have so many injuries, he's having an
opportunity to really play. So I'm not really throwing him
in the trades just yet. And if I am throwing
him in trade, it's not for just a small upgrade.
Well maybe as small as a stretch, but I'm not
just an upgrade for a role player, like if I'm
gonna trade Jerris. I'm not saying that I'm getting a
superstar back, but I at least want to get a
like a full, full time, no question starter.
Speaker 1: Maybe I would agree with that overall assessment of if
you're gonna give up the equity of invested in Jars Walker,
you want a bigger name than Dorian Finney Smith. The
logic here is that the Obi topping deal is kind
of underwater. I don't think that's a deal teams want.
Everyone was kind of surprised he got four years in
sixty million, so that's part of the compensation. I also
think Jars Walker has been used in a versatile fashion defensively.
I just don't think that versatility always equates to effectiveness.
But I do agree with Kenny's overall assessment that, again,
if you're the Pacers, you're gonna want a bigger name
coming back in any sort of Jarris Walker deal. Getting
Dorian Phinney Smith for the Pacers in general, if you
have other framework you could throw out there. I think
he's someone who helps them because they really do need
anyone who resembles a cap slock wing defender.
Speaker 2: That's what Dorrian Phinney Smith is on the team, where
Aaron Ee Smith being out but Benny mcmtthws playing, so
who So it's like, nah, I mean, if you're the
Brooklyn Nets, you like, sign me up right now, just
because Jis Walker as a prospect is one of the
ones you would love to get, especially if you're only
cost you a role player that you're not trying to
keep for the long term anyway. But it's one of
those traits that I can't really see happening. I don't
think Jerris is gonna get traded for something like that.
Speaker 1: Again, I would agree. Also part of the value there
for Ane out of though, is if dyarn Sharp when
he's healthy, kind of helps Phil. You know, they've had
two really like serious big man injuries to Isaiah Jackson
and James Wiseman, and they could use some more backup
depth there, I mean, especially we're gonna be trading Obi
top and who I was watching, can't remember, was that
the Pelicans game he got injured, So we'll have to
check and see how he he's at actually doing. But
that was the logic again proposed from the NETS perspective,
which jars Walker would be super interesting there, especially given
the way that head coach Jordi Fernandez is sort of
steering this team at the moment.
Speaker 2: Charlotte Robert Williams for mess and two second round picks.
That is probably just because Robert Willis can't stay healthy.
Right in theory, you should be able to get a
first round pick for the talent that is Robert Williams,
who's look pretty good in the two games he's played
since he's been back. But because he has all of
the injury history and he hasn't played like a full
season almost ever, it kind of makes sense that he
might not be worth a fool first. I would actually
like him a lot with the Charlotte Hornets.
Speaker 1: Because so what I mean, they have front court injuries themselves,
and just to give their ball handlers like another sort
of lob option or like even just a big man
who is going to give you some passing if you
want him to operate out of the short role. They've
had some really good moments from Musa Diabate this year,
so like he did the offensive rebounding, some of the
stuff that he's been able to do as a rim protector.
R W three is just a different look for them.
I'm not giving up a first round pick for RW three.
I know he's playing now, but you can't count of
him to log a ton of minutes in a vacuum. Yeah,
that is his profile. He should be worth at least
the first round pick. But given the injury history and
the fact that even in his peak he was never
really playing a ton of minutes, I can't give up
that much for him personally.
Speaker 2: Is there other center? Well, now you're gonna have a
center rotation of Mark Williams and Robert Williams, the two
guys that can't stay healthy.
Speaker 1: Hey, between the two of them, don't you get like
that's at least between Mark Williams and Robert Williams, you
get at least forty two games of above average center play.
That's more than half the season.
Speaker 2: But if it's only calls to use of second round
picks and Mesais say yes, but I don't think. I
think Portland woud rather sit on the asset and wait
for Robert Williams to play his way into a lot
of reprotective first or at least a young talented player
that you can feel comfortable in, not the thirty two
year old backup.
Speaker 1: That is a good point, and especially it's a better
point now because I wrote this when Robert Williams the
third was still not playing, and so now he's back
and playing, and it's you know, with the DeAndre eight
and injury and how well Donovan Klingen's been coming along.
I think you look at before he got injured. I
think you look at and say, we'd rather probably keep
r W three and clinging and either way for eight
and expire. Can we use his expiring contract over the
summer as part of a bigger deal.
Speaker 2: The only reason why we really made this video to
see what they got for the Bulls.
Speaker 1: Ah, Yes, I was, I know now because of but
they also told me when someone I think it was
their discording. Can you remember someone that texted me or
discord messaged me. Kenny's a huge Bulls fan, so I
expect him to just loathe this tread.
Speaker 2: Oh Anthony, who basically doesn't play anymore, Jonathan and I
is a Tristan. The silver in a first round pick
most fable from Denver and Orlando top five protected through
twenty twenty seven turns into two seconds if not conveyed. Oh,
I don't like that sounds turns the two seconds for
Zach Levine and Tory Cregg. I didn't cooking something of it.
I didn't cooking something up here. John Nye is one
of those guys there. Orlando Magic fans are like, no, no, no, no,
I threw john Nygan to tray you like two years
ago when he wasn't even playing. Orlando Magic fans like, no,
he is untouchable. But Zach Levine is the type of
player and I'm not saying they should do this because
his contract is still very large, so he got a
few years left on. This was not as bad now
as it was last year or year before that. But
he is the type of player. I think Orlando should
be trying to get one of those bucket getting type
of guys because I think that they have the defensive
infrastructure to accommodate Zach Levine, and I don't think zach
Lvin is a bad defender, he just kind of gets
lost off ball. So I don't mind this trade. It
from a Bulls fans perspective, even if this pick never
conveys in the two years three year draft classes, because
I'm interested in Tristan Silva. He's one of the older
guys drafted in the first round, but I liked him
as a prospect coming out of college, so I wouldn't
mind this. But also I'm kind of saying that because
I think zach Lvin. I want to see Zach Lvine
on the team that's going to be in the playoff contention.
It'sy Kraik doesn't really play for the Bulls anymore because
they opted to go smaller, younger, but I think he
can still be serviceable in the rotation this is.
Speaker 1: I don't think the Magic would do this deal, even
though if I were controlling the Magic, I would. You're
giving up what you think would be the equivalent of
two first round picks because Tritian de Silva was just taken,
plus that Denver pick, which it will so you don't
have to worry about that turning into two seconds. But
you aren't getting out off of the Cole Anthony deal,
which doesn't look so great right now. Maybe Jonathan Isaac
you can consider a loss, but you have a lot
of different big man options up front, especially when Pallo
bank Caro comes back healthy from that oblique injury. I
wonder if the Silva would be the sticking point. But
add Zach Lavine shot making to what the Magic have
done with and without Palo this season, and I think
you start talking about them as a more serious title contender.
Speaker 2: I think Magic fans will say no. As a Bulls fan,
I would be interested in that there's another team, Larry
Nance for GEORGEY Yang.
Speaker 1: To backstory, it's Larry Nance for GEORGEI Yang in two
second round picks. I've been trying to get Larry Nance
Junior back on the cast for like six months now.
I think he would be an excellent fit there.
Speaker 2: Zach gets bring Larry back home nothing trade? Oh he's okay,
So he's trying to get type of.
Speaker 1: Whoa nothing trade? That seems extreme.
Speaker 2: Larry is junior.
Speaker 1: They got to rely on George Yang a lot amid injuries,
and just looking at the front corner rotation, that's not
a nothing trade. I strongly disagree with that. I think
Larry Dance Junior would fortify a rotation in Cleveland that's
already one of the best and probably deeper than we
expected in basketball when you consider, oh, they've had the
Max Drew's injury, some other smattering of injuries. Now you
had Laron nance Junior that rotation. If they ever get
fully healthy, that's not a nothing trade.
Speaker 2: Come on guy, Maxically, but in a first top a
protected for Aaron Wiggins, well, because Aaron Wiggins save basketball.
I can't say that OKC would put him in the
trade because what are you going to do after that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they won't put him in a trade. This is
being proposed from the Mavericks perspective. I think you do
have to look at that distant first round pick that
Dallas would be getting or giving up. Excuse me, twenty
thirty one. It's only top eight protected, though, could you
loosen that a little bit? This can't go through until
January fifteenth if anybody cares. But if you were the
Thunder and you think, okay, well we kind of have
enough wing sized or guard sized players and we want
to go out and we'll get another big man in CLEEVEBA,
but who fits what they do five out model, can
can guard on the perimeter when he's healthy, can't play
a ton of minutes though, and we're getting this distant
first round pick. Would you consider it even I'm probably no,
just because of what Okase needs the most on offense,
and now Hartenstein is back. Part of that was we
thought Hertenstein might be out a little bit longer. This
is coming right after the chet Holmegrin injury.
Speaker 2: I do understand the idea of trying to go get
some center play or guy that can mold himself into
a center like a Mexic Leebl's a little bit versatile there.
But if the price is Aaron Wiggins, I'm probably saying though,
like I would rather trade Uzman zan if I'm OKC.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's just Aaron Wiggins too. He's on
one of the best contracts now too. You always wish
that maybe he could do a little bit more as
a shot creator, a little bit more as a passer,
but just the rim pressure he gives you, not a
floorspasing liability, and then someone who can defend his butt off,
you would absolutely rather give up Usman. You woul if
you're OKAC, you prefer going to Larry n Junior route
rather than this route where you're like, we're still loading
up picks here for a future trade that we may
or may not make.
Speaker 2: To try to upgrade our center position, versus trading the
guy like Wiggins who's like a real staple in the
rotation and playing so very well on a team friendly deal.
But you know, Sam Pressy like these things.
Speaker 1: If you throw twenty thirty one pick on the table.
I wonder if Sam press he is thinking about trading
Aaron Wiggins. I just wonder. I'm not saying he would.
I wouldn't at this point, not this trade specifically, but
I do think he's all right. I think he starts
at least considering it.
Speaker 2: Press he love him a pick it two, so maybe,
but it can't can't complete it to January. Ain't the
name of this article of trade you propose right now.
So you're gonna propose it right now and say that
we say yes to January was going well done.
Speaker 1: There's, first of all, tampering is a thing, and NBA
teams are always having these conversations, and so much of
the league is ineligible to be traded. Until after December fourteen,
So I'd like to defend myself there. I know the
title says right now, but if you I recycle a
lot of names in this to begin with, but if
you want even less variety, sure next time I won't
include the the ones that can't be completed immediately.
Speaker 2: Thenver Nuggets. The Nuggets are a team I was just
thinking about because Zignagi is a guy with like eight
nine million dollars on his cap, like he is the
one tradable contract that they have. What can they get
for him? And the answer in their eyes is Cody
Martin and Nick Richards. Wow, that's not too bad, man.
Speaker 1: That might be the highest praise he's given throughout this.
I don't know if he's gonna mention it, but the
trade actually is Cody Martin and Nick Richards to Denver
for Zeke Naji, Dario Sharich and two first round swaps.
So Charlotte would have the right to swap first round
picks with Denver in twenty twenty eight and two thousand
and thirty.
Speaker 2: I guess you're getting up a first round pick and
two first round swaps. I'm sorry, so not completely a
first rounder. It's a dangerous trade man for twenty thirty.
That's a long time from now. But like the idea
is to continue to keep that window open for the
Denver Nuggets. And you just don't have a lot of
contracts that you can aggregate in order to get like
big time role players. But I do believe Cody Martin
and Nick Richards would be able to come to Denver
and play.
Speaker 1: They would. I mean, the backup set of rotation in
Denver is is still a shit show. And Cody Martin's
quietly put together a nice season. You're always gonna wonder
about his shooting, but as a connective passer, someone could
be moved around defense. I think part of the issue
here is which is why two first round swaps seems
like a lot. They're not guaranteed to convey. If you're Charlotte,
you're doing this to say we'll eat bad Money's he nag.
He has three more years left on his contract. Dario
Charaz has a player option for next season that the
Nuggets never should have given him. This is Reggie Jackson's
contract all over again. So you have to that the
premium you're paying. From the Nuggets' perspective is you could
wind up conveying two first round picks. But you're getting
off bad money here and you're betting on your infrastructure.
We're not going to give up these first round picks.
Like Charlotte's going to be worse than us in twenty
twenty eight, twenty thirty probably gets a little interesting. And
if you're Charlotte, you're saying, hey, we're younger, we have
Randon Miller, t Jhon Salon LaMelo should fit into the
long term pitcher when he's healthy. Maybe Mark Williams still
turns into something. We could still be good. One of
these first round swops might convey as Nicole Yokich is
getting older or aging out, and the rest of the
core ages out. If we could then swap picks with
Denver at a time when we're good, that's either a
trade chip or a way to just replenish our rotation,
that becomes a big deal. I thought this was an
interesting one. I do know the reception on social medt.
I do not believe that either team's fan base really
liked it. I thought it was interesting, though.
Speaker 2: I don't hate this. Ooh, I don't love any but yeah,
because two first swaps is crazy for Cody Martin bro
I ain't gonna last. You know.
Speaker 1: It's also crazy giving Dario shar it's a player option
in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: But I understand the idea behind it because you don't
have a ton of wigger room to make the roster better.
You don't have any straight up tradable first round US.
Every first round of US you're incorporated in the trade
has to be a swap. You have zero second round
picks either, yes, like, are you gonna convince a team?
Speaker 1: Great point back, the Nuggets just don't have second round
picks to trade right now, and so that's why you
also have to include the first round swaps. I did
write that in the thing, but that it's a point
that goes sort of under the radar because Denver has
given up second round picks in the past, but they've
used They use so many of them this past offseason
to help get off that Reggie Jackson contract.
Speaker 2: It takes Zignaji at face value. No, you're gonna have
to trace some future capital. In the future capital might
be a swapp or too. But because these contracts are
not that large, it's not like you could say Zeke
Nagy antoity swaps to go get a mid level starter.
That just doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1: I am curious if you could get to Dorianfhinney Smith's money.
I don't even know if these two make enough. Probably
not Nagi's eight. No, you can't even get a Dorrian
Finny Smith, like, that's what That's kind of the situation
that Denver is. And you could step out of your
way with throwing a third player in there, I suppose,
but I might feel would you feel better with if
you have Dorrian Finney Smith or Cody Martin Nick Richards
on the Nuggets?
Speaker 2: What would you do?
Speaker 1: Let me know in the YouTube comments or in our discord.
Speaker 2: So two random role players that could help Nick Richards
can help random.
Speaker 1: Should anyone who listens to this should be offended to
this podcast regularly because we love Cody Martin around these parts.
Speaker 2: So I swear to you if you can get healthy,
he'll showcase that. I like the talent that they're getting
in here. I just don't know if that's the right
package to go out. Have I liked Inhundits right so far?
Both ways? I don't think whoa you said?
Speaker 1: At least didn't you say at least one of them
was good.
Speaker 2: Or am I misremembering the use of Nurkics in a
first round pick for Isaiah Stewart. Still's happened a really
good season, man, they stop playing him at a small
ball or a big four. He's not shooting threes at
all this season so far. I think he was thirty
eight percent on a couple of attempts last year. This
year he has not hit one. I don't know if
he's even attempt at one. So he's kind of transitioned
that out of his game. But if he were to
go to Phoenix, I would assume. But if be like,
you know, those streets he was taking last season, fire
those off again because that's what they want from the
center position. I've made myself very public about my lack
of use of my lack of like of use of
Nurkics on this roster. Now he's put together a couple
games before he just had his injury or whatever, So
maybe that's like going in the right direction. No, it's not.
Speaker 1: I mean, the use of Nurkice offensive experienced specifically for
Phoenix isn't what they need either at this point. And
so if you're Detroit you're playing well enough to where
it's a whole we get rid of who's been our
best big man this year. But if you can get
a Phoenix twenty thirty one first round pick, you have
to think about it. And it's probably the timing on
this where it's coming from the Pistons perspective. Maybe fans
wouldn't be about that you have to eat an additional
year of use of Nurkic after this one, but you
could then turn his expiring contract maybe into someone. I
do think Pistons fans are skewing more towards Can we
go get Brandon Ingram, maybe go get Zach Levine without
having to give up too much to try to capitalize
on the fringes of the play in discussion that they're
they're currently and they've already won more games this year
at this moment than they have with the trade deadline,
So I understand why you wouldn't do that. In Isaiah
Stewart is really good. I think he would take more
threes in Phoenix, just as someone who could do a
Brook Lopez in pression pression with better rebounding probably worth shooting.
I really love him in Phoenix. I this might be
something with both teams. Say, now where if you're Phoenix
is well, we want someone better than Isaiah Stewart back
if we're playing kind of our last big trade ship.
But the Isaiah Stewart fit in Phoenix to me is divine.
And if you're Detroit and you're just looking at that
Phoenix twenty thirty one pick, I like that has to
be at least somewhat enticing.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just say yes. I'm just gonna say yes.
I'm just yes, do it socius to use the lurkers
man Golden State Warriors. This is what we're here for.
A three teamer. So Brandon Ingram ends up with the
Golden State Warriors getting some Tapian talent to this team
that's already pretty good. It's gonna cost him Santos wigs
a first round pick two seconds to the Pelicans, and
then Gary Payton has to get traded to the Raptors.
What a second Okay, huh? I think Wikets just looked
pretty good this season.
Speaker 1: So just to boil it down, because this was a
three teamer, it was basically Gary Payton, Santos Andrew Wiggins
one first round pick this year and then two seconds
is what it amounts to for Golden State giving it
up and you get brandon Ingram in return, the idea
being it seems like they need a second option. They
were rolling when I proposed this. Warriors fans were mad.
They went in some of our videos that had nothing
to do with this trader the Warriors and commented I
was accused of giving up two first round picks for
brandon Ingram. I'm reading it now, I'm looking at the
screen still only says one. So interesting to see what
he thinks. I know Golden State Warriors weren't a fan.
Ingram's kind of a counterintuitive fit, but just to get
the flyer. Wiggins has been good this year, so if
you don't believe he's he's gonna be a defensive downgrades
if you don't believe the defense, especially post This was
before Melton's injury. So if you don't have Gary Payton's
a defensive option, you don't have Wiggins is a defensive option.
That probably makes this even less palatable from Golden State's perspective.
Speaker 2: Now, no, in order to go get another top antalent,
Wiggins has to be in the trade because he's one
of the few people that make enough money to get
thrown into it. This is a tough way, bro, This
is tough. This is a tough on because not only
you trade it for Brandon Ingram, you were basically saying
yourself up to sign him to another extension once the
season is over. Brandan Ingham obviously really really great player, right,
Famro I'll look at it the morning.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say really great. Someone who can make difficult
shots has value, be a little bit of a secondary playmaker.
He's shown that he can bump up his three point
volume after pulling teeth. He comes and goes on the
defensive end. I don't I think this is probably low
enough cost where if you think that Wiggins is stilling
a value contract, his role on the team might be
outsize relative to what he's actually doing. I could understand saying,
all right, we're not just doing this to get off money,
because if brand Ingram leaves, you're out of first round pick,
that's a big deal. And then two seconds, but then
you kind of cleared a bunch of money as well.
I do think, however, Brandon was not gonna get He
just signed with Clutch Sports. Shout out to Schimidt duav
in the know for reporting that before. Sean Sharani of
The Athletic, I think you could probably if you're ready
to play hardball, you could probably squeeze brand Ingram on
the open market. Very few teams are in position f
cap space and actually then go and spend it this summer.
As of right now, I would say maybe Brooklyn, but
again they're kind of op and I'm not saying they'd
be interested in brending. I'm just talking about cap space buyers.
San Antonio can create some space, Brooklyn can create some space.
Maybe those are two teams that would be aggressive. Brooklyn. Still,
they regain control of their next two first, so I
don't know if they'll be looking to make big time
additions in advance of next season. And the Spurs just
Branding was not a good fit next to Stephan Castle
or Victor wemen Yama, so I just I couldn't see it.
If you're the Warriors, why not take a flyer on
brand Ingram, especially your offense has been dog shit lately
during this losing streak. Take a flyer on brandon Ingram.
You have that second shot creator. If it doesn't work out,
it's not the end of the world. But even if
it does, it doesn't. I don't think you're gonna have
to pay him unless you just go the Denver Nuggets
route of just randomly compensating all their own players or
even Dario Shartz, and you're overpaying market value if you
really play ball, play hardball. There is Brettinger making as
much next season as he's making right now thirty five
plus million.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like it does suck to move a
guy like Gary Payton in order to make the money match,
because yes.
Speaker 1: And it does. He's right here again, this is before
the Meltain injury. But now that he's done for the season,
I think you sub out maybe Theanthony Melton as the
outgoing money.
Speaker 2: In that case, Gary Payton is like almost a perfect
role player for what the Warriors do. He only plays
well if he's in a Warrior's jersey.
Speaker 1: Dog.
Speaker 2: But I'm liking it more and more the more I
see it.
Speaker 1: Now someone likes this trade. I don't even know if
I ran this by mister co host Grant Hughes, who,
if anyone knows, is a Warriors fan. Don't see how
he feels about it. Kenny liking this one though, makes
me feel in bolded, I'm gonna start proposing even more
audacious trades from here on until we get to maybe
the next trade that he might despise.
Speaker 2: Is a twenty twenty five pick for the Pelicans right
from the from the Golden State wars And at this rate,
the Warriors are at least a playoff team, So that's
pick number twenty through thirty. So maybe that's not super
enticing you.
Speaker 1: Well, it's enticing in the sense that at this point,
just get off brandon Ingram's money. The Pelicans are kind
of headed nowhere. So if you let this league into
free agency, what value do you have of even resigning
if he gets thirty million dollars a year. You're still
trying to plan your books around Trey Murphy's new deal.
You have CJ. McCollum still there. I'm assuming you're going
to pay Zion Williamson. You have Dejenttey Murray. This team
doesn't want to pay the tax. We just they're in
it right now, but they're gonna get out of it.
Everyone knows that their fans know it, even if they
don't want to admit it, and everyone around the league
knows it. You can get a first round pick for
Brandon Ingram. I'm not saying he's a terrible basketball player,
but the Pelicans have virtually no leverage the way that
things are going now.
Speaker 2: The Pelicans, but like you basically made it true that
you don't want to pay him the amount of money
that he wants. So getting any type of capital for
him is pretty interesting. Yeah, sign me a blockbuster deal
Brandon Negro Golden sat Warriors. Can we convince him to
shoot more threes? I'm just talking.
Speaker 1: I feel a lot better about that trade now this.
Speaker 2: Year, he's been shooting a lot of threes. They a'n't
going in, but he's been shooting a lot of threes.
I would expect him to turn that around. Okay, Houston
Rockets Ducky Robinson for jacque Lyndale jay Sean Tait in
a second round pick. I mean sure, I guess a
few of the Rockets just to get more shooting out there.
I was hoping that the Rockets trade had to do
with Fred van Vlieta some here.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is I'm not even a shot at
Kenny here. And Rocket sans are mad about this trade.
In part, I think they were mad that I traded
tarise in places and they don't. I shouldn't say all
of them, and it's fine if you want to say no.
But here's my pet peeve, and maybe I should wait
until we get to one of those trades. We'll see
if Kenny even mentions it. So let's look at this
trade specifically. You're giving up two players that don't factor
into your long term. I know Jock Landel's played some,
but they're basically two expiring contracts. You get to keep
Jeff Green two, who's viewed as this important locker room presence.
Your team just needs shooting. If you look at what
the Rockets like they are, they profile as a contender
in basically every department, in large part because of what
they're doing defensively this year. It is bonkers. By the way,
in the rock anyone thinks the Rockets aren't for real.
They've one of the best net ratings in the league
against top ten teams in the league, so teams with
the ten best point differentials. I think the Rockets are
like fifth in point differential versus those teams. Their offense, yes,
it's hovering, I think tenth inefficiency. That's a good spot
to be but they are still They're twenty seventh in
three point to tenth eight and then they're twenty sixth
in three point accuracy. You get Duncan Robinson in there,
who's another year left on his contract. He can become
a nice expiring money anchor if you ever want to
make that big deal. I think he comes in, you
play him, you don't play him a different look against
certain teams to get that three point volume up and
diversify the offense. I thought this was a really good trade,
and Rockets fans destroyed it. I don't know if they
were expecting a star name, but I viewed that after
they extended Shangun and Jalen Green, as a decision that's
going to be made over the offseason or just later
on when it's easier to trade Jalen Green specifically, or
when they just have more information on this team. They
were still rolling when I proposed this, so I don't know,
like adding Duncan Robinson maybe consolidating a little bit. Jehaun
Tate gets a chance to play more in Miami. I
was just surprised that Rockets fans didn't like this. Maybe
it's not gonna make them a contender. But I feel
like the only reason to dislike this would be you
want them to make a bigger move, and I just
think not that they're too good to do it. I
just I'm waiting on it. You're good enough now to
be in the playoff conversation where some even want to
say that their title contenders. Why not kind of fortify
one of your biggest weaknesses and maybe that helps you
glean even more information from the players that are already
on a team. So the response from Rockets fans, where
I'm not really as active on Twitter as much, but
if I get tagged, I will see it a lot
of time, they were pretty pissed off about this, and
that honestly surprised me.
Speaker 2: Start I'm in Thompson, hashtag it. Next Indiana Pacers Hayward
heigh Smith. Also, this is just this is his time
for the Miami Heat to sail. They trade Dugan Robinson
in this trade. Now they're trading Heywood heigh Smith and
this next one.
Speaker 1: Which, by the way, it's what the Heat should still do.
I know they're playing a little bit better, but it's
it's time to sell in Miami. I don't is that
a spicy take. Let me also know that in the
comments are coming our discord and answer the question is
is it a hot takedown to just say that the
Miami needs to move on and if you want to
view mam Adebayo, Jimayakas and Tyler Hero as the core,
but it's just time to trade everyone else. That's kind
of where I'm still at with Miami.
Speaker 2: For two second round picks, that would be a como
for the Pacers. I can't lie, Hayward heis Smith is
a good defensive player, So sign me up with you
the Pacers. I guess if you're saying sale with the heat,
two second round picks ain't too bad for Heyward Smith.
But uh yeah, I don't know if they're locking. This
Is this a Kobe White track?
Speaker 1: He's Oh boy, I forgot about the Kobe White trade. Yeah,
I mean it would have to be predicated on Miami
just deciding to rebuild, which we know that they don't
necessarily do. But if you're gonna get your you're shedding money.
You're saving your tax bill here because you're not taking
back any players. You're just getting two seconds, which, by
the way, Dallas twenty twenty eight second eh, they have
Luca like that's probably with Derek Lively no UTAs second
twenty seven. That could still be a pick in the thirties.
Jazz stands would riot if it is, but not nothing.
I hope anyone who is watching on YouTube listens.
Speaker 2: Still to watch this video. But off seriousness, obviously the
worst trade ever ever drawn up in the history of tracks.
All right, Terrence Man, Terrence Man in a first round pick,
top one, protected for two years, and it turns into
two seconds if it doesn't convey so and there's a
world where I trade Kobe White for two second round picks.
Basically what hold on, hold on I wrote this article
was this Steve Ballmer himself.
Speaker 1: My name, I have dozens of followers, We have dozens
of followers on the YouTube channel. It's disrespectful that Kenny
doesn't know who we are. So just to clarify, Terrence Man,
whatever on offense, he could still defend. So Chicago wants
to roll that out there, it's a this is one
being proposed from the Clippers perspective. It's fine. If Chicago
wants to push for more. You're gonna get twenty thirty
first round pick from the Clippers and it's top one protected,
so unless they win the draft lottery, maybe you could
broker let's turn let's turn off the protections. Then just
the Clippers twenty thirty or twenty thirty one first round
pick for Kobe White plus a contract in Terrence Man.
That's not I mean, I guess post extension you're not
crazy about it, but someone you could move around, at
least defensively on the wings. I think this is a
better trade than just laughing it off. But I take
I take Kenny's point as a Bulls fan seriously because
clearly this this does not appeal to him.
Speaker 2: Kenny in twenty thirty, who knows what the clip is
going to look like? And I, hey, I completely completely agree.
I'm not about to tray my boy Alec Jacobe White
for something that doesn't give Fay for five six years.
And that's why I'm not the general man Joe the team,
because I would hold on to my pieces like that.
Speaker 1: Well, I think Kenny's selling him short here a little bit.
I think anyone could do a better job than Aka
and Company right now, but he makes it really and
I don't mean to sound shocked here, this has been
I've actually enjoyed this. He hasn't liked him any of
the trades, but this has been kind of fun for me.
I'm trying to get the hang of reacting to someone
reacting to something I did. Though I'm not someone who
likes to be super self involved or even promote my
own work. When it's done in tandem with Grant, I
love it, like I feel like we're a team. But
this just feels a little vain, and we also know
that I'm just overly sensitive around these parts. Anyway. He
makes an awesome point where if you're running a team
you don't, especially an Ak's case, you're probably not the
one who's making that twenty thirty selection and so objectively
in a vacuum. From my perspective, that twenty thirty first
round pick has a crap ton of value. When you're
looking at Kobe White's contract situation where he's only gonna
be cheap for another year, then he's gonna need a
mega deal, probably a point where the bulls still aren't good.
It still would make sense to me, how much can
you get from now now? If you can get something
more imminent, a better return than this, that's not that's
neither here nor there. But a twenty thirty first round
pick is the primary draw will always be a little
bit of a problem because teams are gonna want something
that gives them more instant gratification. I do recognize that
a Terrence Man wouldn't do that. It's also I'll loop
this back to the mcal Bridges trade, specifically with the Knicks.
People were wondering, why would you give up so many
draft picks for a non star. It was a valid question.
I'm not about to poo poo all over it, and
obviously you could. You could put pool all over it,
given how mchal Bridges has played for a lot of
this year. But they didn't send out any usable bodies
for the Nets, no cornerstone prospect. It was boy On
Bogdanovitch as the outgoing salary, then a bunch of sign
and trade witchcraft thermatology that they did to make the
math work. When you're not iin't got any players. Teams
like to get back something immediate, so you were getting
draft equity. But when there are no players attached, or
no one you view as someone to monitor, I do
think that inherently ups the cost. Or in this case,
let's say you can use the twenty thirty first round
or as the primary draw. You need to figure out
a way to include something else that's attractive to the
present for Chicago, not just to appease the fan base
or in this case, ownership, because we know Chicago's ownership
is just dumb as hell when it comes to this.
But like Ak and Cod, they're not going to be
the ones making that pick. And so I understand the
hesitants to say, well, let's just accept that to move
what is probably their most valuable who would be the
more valuable trade ass on this team other than Kobe White.
So I do understand Kenny's disdain for this deal.
Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, to write it, Simia, don send this to
Adam Silver right here, right now, Big vouch Man, a
big coach, has been playing really good basketball, if.
Speaker 1: You have, so the trade here doesn't seem like you
mentioned it or I cut it off. Is Nicolo Vucevic
to the Lakers for d'anzel, Russell, Christian Wood and then
a second round pick that'll come via the Clippers. The
thinking just here being vuch has been playing well, having
the most efficient offensive season of his career without really
doing a lot differently, but he's older, he has another
year left on his deal. To number that's twenty plus
million not going to be palatable to a lot of teams.
I believe any Bulls fans or members of the Bulls
round offs who thinks they can get a first round
pick for Nicolo Vucevic are sorely mistaken.
Speaker 2: I noticed defensively is not the greatest. But if he's
getting traded to the Lakers where he didn't have Anthony
Davis there with them, I think he's the perfect player
for them. I would love to get a first round
pick for Vusovic. If we can't, I just don't know
if it's value. It would be like that, just because
so many teams across basketball already have their center. So
who's trading the first round pick? I don't know. I
actually hate this straight but I love it at the
same time. Mostly love it because still where where he
can play to compete a little bit. I hate it
because we don't really get anything from it. But sometimes
you just got to bite the bullet and say, hey,
we're trading the player. We're not getting anything back that
we like. It's grizzly.
Speaker 1: This is interesting as he moves on at the Grizzlies
really quickly. Is the Lakers defense has been so bad
that I don't think you could just say, well, let's
put like Vujo grab rebounds. At least that might free
up Anthony Davis a little bit. But just having Anthony
Davis around him, this might actually be one the Lakers say,
Oh no, so we're giving up someone who's more of
a shot creator, table setter. With D'Angel Russell. You can
run some stuff through Vouch, but now your two of
your three primary offensive hubs are big men on that team.
They might not be crazy about it, but you don't
have to give up a first round pick, and you've
been in the market for a big man. I still
think they would do the trade.
Speaker 2: It's Deandrey Hunter and Big Creggie for Brandon Clark John Consar.
For some reason, Brandon Clark is like, in my mind,
like a Nick Hollison type of player, where he's gonna
spend this entire career in Memphis. I don't know how
true that is. I don't know if they see him
like that. But if you're saying no, DeAndre and Hunter
is just one of those players that it is hard
for me to gage like who he is as a guy.
Sometimes he looks like, oh yeah, you gonna have a
twenty game stritcher. We're like, oh, snap, you shoulot a
forty percent from three and he's averaging sixteen points and
I'm watching him play and he gets lost on the
course still even when me saying that. But if it's
costing you two second round picks and some stuff, I
guess it's not that bad of a trade. And y'all
know I love when Vic Craigie end up on a
good team.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that if I'm Atlanta. Just to be clear,
the full deal being DeAndre Hunter vic Craigie for Brandon Clark,
John Conchore and two second round picks, one of which
is Atlanta's own. I don't want. I don't want necessarily
Clark's money on my books. If I'm Atlanta. He continues
to be in certain pairings on the Grizzlies. He's going
to be a net rating darling and he probably has
their highest net ratings wing overall. But if you're Memphis
and you get off, you turn his money in contracts,
money into DeAndre Hunter, who looks since coming back this year,
he's playing pretty well. He's shooting over forty percent from
three on almost six attempts per game, averaging over eighteen
I don't know why you're doing that. If you're Atlanta,
the thought process would be, I mean, Vic Craigie hasn't
been playing as much. I still think he's like a
little bit of a diamond in the rough player who
does nothing elite but does a little bit of everything,
including on the defensive end. Has good size too, So
you probably need a first round pick if you're Atlanta.
But I don't know that. Teams around the league view
Hunter contract as a net plus overall. If you have
Reesa say reesa shake, excuse me? And you have Dyson
Daniels and you like the idea still of having excumeing.
You have Garrison Matthews on this team, who we've seen
him get some runs. You have Jalen Johnson. Could you
talk yourself into saying, hey, like, I guess we have
enough wings to kind of make it up. I'm still
not doing it if I'm in Atlanta. If I'm Memphis, though,
the search for their wings might be over when Gigi
Jackson's healthy and now they have Jalen Wells, who has
to be what top three or four Rookie of the
Year voting? Who would be ahead of him? Steph Castle,
probably Jared McCain, and then I mean maybe Edie Who
am I forgetting there? So Jaane Wells is probably top
five Rookie of the Year candidate. The Grizzlies having two
top five Rookie of the Year candidates is kind of
feels like very on brand. But if I'm Memphis, I'm
doing that deal in a heartbeat. Rod to this Miami
Heat trade, which I know I traded Jimmy Butler. They
were going through some stuff and still are, but the
situation was worse. We'll have to see what Kenny thinks
I sent him.
Speaker 2: To the Miami Heat. Oh here's the one. Oh, here's
the one. The Anthony Melton Andrew Wiggets a twenty twenty
five first, a twenty twenty six second swap, a twenty
twenty seven first, a twenty twenty eight second, and a
twenty thirty first round pick protected number twenty one to
thirty for Jimmy Butler, Bruno, Fernando, Josh Richardson, and then
again the Toronto Raptors get Gary Payton and some other stuff. WHOA,
that is a lot, man. I agree.
Speaker 1: I'm looking back at this and there's this was done
to make the money work. You go different routes, giving
up Melton's not as big of a deal now that
he's injured. But you're looking at Kaminga Wiggins GP two
and then three first round picks, So a twenty twenty
five first round pick and then a twenty twenty seven
first round pick. So it's two first and two swaps.
Oh no, it's no, it's it's one swap and three
first that's too much for Jimmy Butler. I'll even agree.
I'm curious as to what my logic would be at
the time. Like I know I wrote, you can go
read this article. I would highly suggest it help keep
me employed. But three for too much I would get
rid of, like maybe this year's first or can you
get rid of one of the swaps and one of
the first At this point where it's if it's Kaminga
Wiggins additional salary and then like two first somewhat reasonable.
Even Golden State might say that's too much, giving Jimmy
Butler's age. I think, Kenny, I'm assuming I'm looking at
his face right now, He's probably about to shit all
over this, and I don't blame him.
Speaker 2: And I can't convince myself that at this stage of
Jimmy Butler's career he's worth all of this. Am I crazy?
Maybe I'm not crazy. No, but at this stage of
Jimmy Bowl's career, I don't know if I could convince
myself that this is worth it.
Speaker 1: It's not. They might Miami might have more leverage given
how much Golden State's offense has recently suffered, But this
is with Jimmy Butler might be headed towards a new deal,
or maybe they look at it as, oh, he'll need
a new deal, but he'll make less per year. And
this is still someone who Okay, yeah, he's dealing with
knee issues at the moment, but like in his fourteen
games this year, hasn't shot the ball too well from three,
but still hitting. He doesn't take many of them anymore.
He's actually taking fewer than last year. I thought that
number might come up this year, but still hitting fifty
seven percent of his sues, can still playmate, can still defend.
I think I would give up if the cost was
cominga And look, what makes this tough is that Golden
State people are complaining about how deep their rotation is.
But then if you make trades any given player I guess,
aside from Melton that is injured, that you give up
in a vacuum, they're gonna claim is too important. If
you want to replace and get fungible with some of
this salary, where can you work it with a Kevon
Looney going out? Do you want to try and keep
Kaminga as part of this? I think the equivalent of
Wiggins other salary and then two first round picks in
a swap. So whether you whether it's Jonathan Kaminga a
first round pick and a swap or two first round
picks in a swap without Kminga going out, I think
it's I think that would still be your reasonal price
for Golden State to pay. But I do agree with
Kenny kind of looking back that this was too much
of an aggressive offer. Now, if you're Miami, you absolutely
do it. That's what you should propose, So that's the
perspective it's coming from. But even by those standards, this
was too much.
Speaker 2: Even if that does make the war years of contender
for a year, right, this is just a little bit
too much for my like am, because Amy Butler just
doesn't look as good as he looked two years ago,
or all of his stats are just down across the board.
And I'm not even just talking about the traditional status
points per game rebuster for games. We're talking about eficiency.
We're talking about his foul drawing rate. We're talking about
the rate in which he wants to have the offensive.
Look like, there's a lot and I'm not saying he's
not worth getting traded at all for the Warriors, but
like you're telling me, we're giving away three real rotational
pieces and then three first round picks in a swap.
That's just a little bit too rich for me personally,
and that's fair.
Speaker 1: And I think look, one pointed someone on the Warrior's
roster who's not a member of the rotation that coulds
probably Moses Moody Melton now injury. I think that makes
putting his salary in a little more palatable.
Speaker 2: At least.
Speaker 1: It's too much, though in a vacuum, if it's when
you look at at it through the lens of Wiggins
kaminga three first and a swap. I think, if if
you have to include Kamena, if Miami's insisting on that.
I probably still do it. I'm not as big of
a believer in as some others are. If it's Wiggins
kaminga first round picking a swap and then you have
to you're gonna have to throw money in to make
the math work. You can choose the contracts then that
you want. But if you compare Jimmy Butler with Draymond
Green and Steph Curry for the next two to three years,
I really do believe you can make stuff happen and
Golden State's defense hell fire as it is, you put
Jimmy Butler in there kind of, I guess in place
of Andrew Wiggins. I'm trying to figure out a way
to keep GP two in that scenario. But I do
think Jimmy Butler could materially help Golden State.
Speaker 2: If you're the Miami Heat, I think you said yes
it is in a heartbeat, though, yees, just because that's
how bad the Miami he have lickd the season, and
you'll tell me I could get some first round draft
capital that much first round draft capital and get a
younger guy that we're gonna have to extend. But regardless,
cominga could potentially be a building block for us. I
think you said, yes, it is deal if you're Miami.
I don't know if I'm even out of my old
Golden State Warriors. The Bucks whoa Dylan Brooks Tarry Easa
for Chris Middleton in a first Hey, I.
Speaker 1: Was I'm gonna get out in front of this because
this was the trade that rockets or one of them
we're just so angry with. They said, why would we
want washed Chris Middleton, which I think is fair because
he does have a player option. But Chris Middleton could
actually help this offense when he's fully healthy. He has
yet to play this season, though, but a twenty thirty
one first round pick which had top one protection on it,
you can try and pull that off. If you're getting
the Bucks' twenty thirty one first round pick, that's the
genesis of the value. Maybe that's not enough. Tar Eason's
played really well on defense this year, not hitting as
much of his threes, and I don't think he's maybe
branched out his offense enough. I get well, you don't
want to trade him, But if your goal is to
turn around and trade for a star, I think you
can ask the question this is moving forward. What's more
valuable the Bucks twenty thirty one first round pick or
Tar East and then Dylan Brooks. I think the answer
probably still is Tar Eiston and Dylan Brooks. And again,
this was being proposed from Milwaukee's perspective. I will never
expect fans casual, religious, whatever. I really try not to
insult whatever stereotypes we want to throw at fans and
how they want to follow the league. However you want
to follow the league, enjoy the league, I think you should.
But I do think that we all should probably understand
the value of a distant first round pick a little
bit better, because I really do believe that there's gonna
be another one where it's like, why would we want
kJ Martin's ass back on this team? And you're just
not even gonna mention a distant first round pick coming in.
I think it's a Clippers pick. That's why I wish
this change. I'm not expecting Rockets fans to like this trade.
And in retrospect, I thought Middleton might be playing by now,
so I thought this trade might look a little bit
more tried, And look, I really do believe he could
help their offense. Anyone who is not. If you're a
Rockets standing, you haven't watched a lot of Bucks like that.
Dude's been so important to basically every single playoffs, even
the ones they've bowed out early and played super well.
He won't cannibalize touches from anyone else. You have the
defensive infrastructure to insulate him because he's slipped there on
that end. But he's injured. Owed a bunch of money
the season after next. I understand why Rockets fans didn't
like this. I would just like to note I'm not
saying I'm right all the time. I try to own
up to my mistakes or when my opinion diverges and
it proves to be wrong. Hashtag I was okay with
the timberwolve. I talk myself into this. Timberwolves trading Carlafy
Towns takes a may colpus for that. Now, why don't
we I just a twenty thirty one first round pick,
even if you don't think your front office values it
for the Rockets specifically, you add that to some of
these Phoenix picks that you've now acquired just with your
other stash of assets. I let's not underestimate the usefulness
of it is all I'll.
Speaker 2: Say so, so we'd be talking about this a lot.
The Bucks have not looked amazing the season, which.
Speaker 1: By the way, the other thing after note the Bucks
have just rattled off a bunch of victories. The defense
looks great. They might say you no to this deal
because they're looking at it through this lens and saying, Okay,
this gets us younger, more athletic. But our problem right
now is probably offense where you want another primary shot
creator to where that's not Giannis isn't the typical when
you look at the direction the directionality of how he
plays basketball, like he has the mid range going this year,
he can get going downhill, he has more counters. But
when you're looking at someone breaking down set defenses and
having a bunch of counters and maybe running pick and rolls,
you need someone other than a Damian Lillard in that spot.
You don't want Dylan Brooks or Charie Easton doing it.
Chris Middleton's that guy. So there is a chance the
Bucks looking at this is well, what is Giannis's future.
We're giving up our last best trade chip in twenty
thirty one, and we're trading someone who want a title
alongside Giannis, who we think fixes what is our biggest
issue right now. There's a chance they say no to
this as well. Just want to point that out.
Speaker 2: It's the tradeable piece that they have. And the real
answer was they have a pick. Nobody's probably gonna want
brick low Pez other than the Lakers. But if you're
trading him to the Lakers, what do you get it
back to? Helps Dame and Giannis. Right now, nobody really
wants Bobby Portous. That's gonna bring you anything back. So
it's like, is it Chris Middleton? And then here we
are with a trade that is Chris Midleton oriented. The
problem is you cannot break up Tarry Easton and aman Thompson.
So I think that's an automatic non starter.
Speaker 1: Which from the Rockets perspective, those two are they're wreaking havoc.
I'm curious to see how many. I think the Rockets
probably have like three or four all defense candidates at
the moment, Dylan Brooks, Tarry and aman Thompson. And you
could maybe throw Ja But I know people have been
a little bit down on Jabari Smith Junior's offensive points
this year, but he's still really important defensively to them.
But I totally understand why the Rockets wouldn't do this.
I would be curious, Bucks Stands. I want to know
if you would do this trade Dylan Brooks and Tari
Easton for Middleton and your twenty thirty one pick for
the Houston Rockets.
Speaker 2: But if we look past that, this is the type
of trade I will be trying to get for Chris Middleton,
just like, yeah, we're trading away a guy that could
be an All Star, and the posts the last year
showed us that that all star thing could still be
a case, but we want to trade him away from
some depth pieces, two potential starters for one starter.
Speaker 1: But I look, they did sign Jay Crowder too since
this published, so they're clearly thinking alongside those lines. This
was kind of before they pulled the AJ Green and
Andre Jackson junior buttons and Jackson. Doc Rivers has a
short hook with him, but he's defended really well. Actually
think Green has defended pretty well too. I honestly wonder
I don't the Rockets. Stands will probably be mad at this.
That's fine, they don't want to trade Tari Easton. I
get it. I've they've been mad at me in the
past for sending him a differ. I just think he's
someone that every team should want, and you look at
the Rockets structure their team what they need most. The
payday's coming up. That's why I'm thinking alongside those lines.
If you think Jabari Smith Junior is more likely to
go after the shan Gun extension, I'm not gonna fight
you on it. I'm very curious to know if Bucks
fans would do this trade, though, I really do. If
you're again watching listening to this, let me know.
Speaker 2: I don't think the Houston Rockets are interested in is Whatsoe.
I agree. I do believe that Dylan Brooks could potentially
be moved, but like Tari on top of that would
just be too much. I believe Minnesota timble was get
de Lono Ben. Would de Lono just lit them boys up?
Last night when I was watching for PJ. Dozer in
a second round pick, all right.
Speaker 1: Well, hold on, he's gonna blow through this. Delano Banton's
been balling out for Portland and Minnesota desperately needs like
some type of other game manager. I guess that's not
Benton's forte, but just as kind of an alternative to well,
can we play Rob Dillingham in these moments. I think
the Kilexander Walker has been playing well enough, but he's
just not a point guard. I haven't loved some of
the situations they've put him in, mostly earlier in this season.
If the timberlves got de Lono Benton, I really think
that would be like a coup for them. But I
understand why you're gonna skip over that, Kenny, I get it.
Speaker 2: The Pelican's another brandon Ingram trade. This is brandon Ingem
to the Memphis Grizzies for Brandon Clark, Marcus Smart, Vince Williams,
Juni in a first round pick topic protected through twenty
twenty seven turns to two seconds of not convey for
brandon Ingram. So that puts them in the world where
it is Jah, it is Bane, it is Ingram, it
is Jaron in it this eady. I kind of like
that five a lot. Sometimes I do watch them and
say that they need a little bit more spice into
their creation.
Speaker 1: They do. I mean, look, their offense is in like
the top six or seven right now, but they still
struggle in the half court outside of the offensive rebounds,
Like this is once again a grizzly team whose offensive
success even for the most part when they've been healthy,
which they always seem to be banged up. This is
probably the healthiest they've been in quite some time. And
they're still just missing dudes. But you're looking at Okay,
they're fifth in points scored per possession. That's really good,
but they are still around the bottom ten and half
court efficiency. Now, they do a good job of generating
second chance opportunities, they're not hyper efficient on those plays
right now relative to the rest of the league. And
so Brandingham would give you another shot creator and if
it's costing you Marcus smart salary, Brandon Clark's salary, and
then the Vince Williams Junior in the first of it all.
If you're the Pelicans, you just do this like it's
time to get off the Brandon Ingram money. Now you
have money on the books for next year and Clark
and Smart, but to get a look at Vince Williams
Junior as well as an additional first round pick. You
do it just the situation you're in his New Orleans.
If you're Memphis, maybe you push back and say we
don't want to give up the first, or we don't
want to give up Vince Williams Junior. Maybe you could
work it that way. They would be a team where like,
if this is the cost, or if you could get
it down from let's include somebody else other than Vince
Williams Junior. Here, I could talk myself into Memphis doing
this and saying, even if we don't resign him and
let him walk, it was worth it. Like Clark can
be a good player, but the smart trade has kind
of gone awry for them. He's had better moments since
he's returned to the lineup, but I don't love the
fit in Ingram. But it would for this cost or
a little bit less, I think it would be an
interesting flyer for Memphis.
Speaker 2: Their offensive creation. I think Brandon Nigro can provide that
you are committing a lot of money to that core, though,
because you already have jarn and Bain and locked up
and then to lock up. Yet maybe that's not a problem.
Maybe that is a core that you're willing to go with.
Speaker 1: M Probably not. Jaron Jecks Junior is gonna be coming
up on an a deal. You've paid Banying, you paid Morant,
like he mentioned, you don't have to start paying some
of these cheaper guys at certain points. Two of Vince
Williams Junior or Gigi Jackson, even in Jallen Wells as
a second round pick. I'm looking ahead for a year
maybe two. It's tenable if you look at it as
okay as of right now, like it's not changing the
math of their salary structure at all by trading Clark
and Marcus mart Could you float it for a year
and then maybe try it or two and stomach it
if you're good enough, I think as a flyer, if
I'm Memphis, I'd still just be interested to see what
it would look like with Bretton Ingram.
Speaker 2: The Marcuts smart thing didn't last very long. I mean,
I just I don't know if I've seen it at
all for more than forty minutes in a season or
two of Vince Williams Junior is a really good prospect
a half, but he hasn't been able to play this year.
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, Vince william Junior, by the way, he's
like six to four, but he's a wing and he
can give you some like point guard stuff, which is
I mean, yes, you have Scottie Pippen junior. You have
John Morant, you have Desmond Bayane. But on this team,
with the amount of injuries that pile up and how
topsy turvy, I would say, to put a charitably, Marcus
Smart has been that's not giving up. That's not nothing
to consider. But again, you're getting Ingram who provides the
creation and theory that you're losing in Smart and a health.
Evince Williams.
Speaker 2: Mine is trade. I don't think nice, don't I don't
trade the Knicks to money Kamara and Robert Williams for
Cameron Payne, Mitchell Robinson, a first round pick via Washington
top protect, top to protect. It's got some protects on regardless,
let's trade one injured center for another injured center.
Speaker 1: RW three eight injured, no more Kenny. That makes his
trade a home run.
Speaker 2: I think it would be hard to convince Blazers fans
to trade to money Kamar regard.
Speaker 1: I agree that Blazers fans are pissed about this too.
He's leveled up on offense, I think, and he is
still I really hesitate to say this because I'm guilty
of it as well, just throwing around these terms like
star or in this case, five position defender. Demni's mars
like a four and a half position defender, and he's
been hitting his threes this year and he can do
a little bit of work going downhill. If you were
getting Mitchell robb this was our w three was injured
at the time. If you could say that Mitchell Robinson
was gonna get healthy and you're getting that Wizard's first
round pick, now, will it convey That's a big question.
I'm not doing this on Portland, but Tomani Kamara be
an excellent fit on the Knicks. That someone I think
you could sub in and closing lineups if you decide
we want to play small and Kat can't be there,
or more likely if McHale Bridges is not holding up.
I never thought I would have those words in there,
or if we want to go to a different look
from Josh Smart, Josh Hart, excuse me. I guess it
gets iffy from the Knicks's perspective too, though, of I
think Robert Wims the third could play with Kat probably
could play at his peak, though you want him playing
a fewer minutes than a healthy Mitchell Robinson, but he's
more dynamic offensively. I still like this trade for the
Knicks the first round pick plus r W three for
basically Mitchell Robinson and that Washington Wizards first. But it's
also tough with the Knicks because anyone you acquire in
theory isn't gonna be a part if you're closing units.
Was it worth it to consolidate because you could? You
could recently say I'd rather have Mitchell Robinson an r
W three. I think long term he'll be more healthier,
can soak up more minutes playoff time, though r W
three is gonna be the better player. Love this deal
for New York I think, especially over recent weeks, given
how good tomnic Kamar has been all year, I'm not
doing this. If I'm Portland, I'd insist on more and
the Knicks could throw in a Pacombe Dottier or Tyler Kohlik.
But would that make the difference for Portland?
Speaker 2: Okay, see do a breath for two seconds, cy play
that man. I don't think he's really played much this
season because you got Aiden, you got Robert Williams back,
you got Donovan Klington now started with Aiden being out
as injury, it's just not really a lot of role
for him. So yeah, sentn to a team where he
could potentially play for a couple of weeks until they
get some of their players back.
Speaker 1: Duo Breathe not a high end guy, but he fits
the mold of a floor spacing rim protector. Again, it's
it's more of this makeshift solution or store brand solution.
You're not going out there and getting a christophs Porzingis
or prime Miles Turner. But just as like we don't
want to give up any core assets, if we could
put duopre ethon here and expand the big man rotation
a little bit to.
Speaker 2: Kobe White trade, I next, I'm just gonna turn down
every Kobe White trade bro. Well, hold, my bias of
my fandom is to play. I don't care. I'm not
accepting a Kobe White trade bro. That's one.
Speaker 1: Oh, it looks like he's gonna go through it, so
I'll hold off before I go into it.
Speaker 2: Is ever gonna get for the next two years, people
drawing up Kobe White trades.
Speaker 1: Dang dude, I hate that seventy well, so we're skipping it,
all right, So you're getting from Orlando Cole Anthony, which whatever,
Jet Howard and then two first round picks, so Jet
Howard in two first round picks for Kobe White. Maybe
that's not enough in Chicago's size. That's a real offer
for Kobe White. You want Tristan to Silvans instead, we
could talk about it. You want another first round pick
instead of Jet Howard, we could talk about it. I
think that trade was worth a mention. I respect Kenny
for saying that his bias is showing here, but that's
not That wasn't a terrible offer.
Speaker 2: Six er Star Recent and Cam More for kJ Martin
and a first round pick that's a second least favorable
from all the teams, and then another first round pick
from the Clippers twenty twenty eight. Clippers first round is
sounds kind of angle life.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, all right, I'm dying because he's over here
kind of poohing on me giving twenty thirty first round
pick for Kobe White. But that twenty Clippers first round
pick is lit. I love this. That's great. I'm honestly
not shading him. I just find that I respect like
the Bulls allegiance throw it through. Twenty twenty eight is closer.
This is the trade. By the way, that Rockets fans
were also angry about where the Sixers were getting Tari
Easton and Cam Whitmore for kJ Martin and two first
round picks. Was it three first round picks? No, it
was two first round picks, one of which was that
Clippers twenty twenty eight does seem a little light. I
think my logic here's just that Cam Whitmore has not
played a ton for them. It's not necessarily looks great
this year when he has. You have all this prospect
equity built up in Easton and Wentmore. I understand why
you wouldn't want to do this trade. It wasn't about
getting kJ Martin though, It was about getting two first
round picks to load up on an offer for a star,
and in this case is a twenty twenty six first
round pick and a twenty twenty eight Clippers first round pick.
Is that more valuable to a star trade than Tar
east and Cam Whitmore next summer or moving down the line.
Maybe your plane is to keep one of them while
still getting a star if it is Hey, But there's
value in getting those distant first round picks, is my point.
Would I do this if I'm Houston? He answers, absolutely no.
Speaker 2: Tari eas and Cam Whitmore, get some young guys in there. Again,
I'm not a fan of trade and Tari Easton, I'm
not about Tari's is the highest commodity on the block.
Speaker 1: I mean he's been in what two or three trades?
There's thirty teams. Come on, that's not There's about to
be some recyclage there. And also it speaks to how
valuable tar Esan is as well.
Speaker 2: If I create Houston Rockets fans, y'all, let me know
what y'all think, because y'all watching the state more in
depth than I am. Do you think your front office
is more likely to trade Bari?
Speaker 1: Or that's maybe that's the Maybe this is the origination
of how much social media hate and even YouTube comments.
There were someone on unrelated videos. Maybe they watched Kenny's video.
Uh so they went and they found the link and
then they found the Look, if you're gonna take those
steps to find me, I'll out it pretty much. Whatever
you could see. There's stuff were you across the line.
But if you're gonna go the lengths of there's no
link that I saw in Kenny's video description to the article,
so you had to go find it, then find me
on social media and decide that if I'm not gonna
respond on Twitter, then I'm gonna go into hardwood Knox's
YouTube comments. I'm not gonna lie. I respect that level
of detail to getting angry at me, and I recognize
that's why I'm able to make a living off this
as people care about sports. I personally wouldn't go to
those lengths to comment on a trade. I didn't do
it to make people angry, though. I just want to
make that clear. I do respect now that I'm thinking
about this, like having watched it and kind of processing
if that's what if Kenny is the one. If Kenny's video,
not Kenny specifically, is how you got angry with me
and then went out and found me. I really respect
that shout out to you.
Speaker 2: But another tar Resa Tray, Hey get a tar I'm
not doing that one Portland.
Speaker 1: He's not going Well, hold on, okay, that trade again.
You're getting Phoenix's twenty thirty first round pick and you're
sending Tari Easton and then this year's first round pick.
So what you're doing is it's the second most favorable
so it's going to be a pick. Let's just say
the number twenty five pick plus Tarry Easton for Phoenix's
twenty thirty one first round pick, and rocket Stents were
also mad, what do we want with josh Eshakogi? You don't,
but his contract is expiring, and now you get this
huge trade chip. And now I've mentioned this in the text,
and I think that this, this one's at least to
me worth a discussion. Rip out the twenty twenty four
good keep keep the additional first round pick. Then, if
you're getting Phoenixes twenty thirty first, when you already kind
of control their fate in three separate years, I think
it's twenty five, twenty seven, and twenty nine. That's like
like you want Devin Booker or Kevin Durant, Like you
got your AMMO right there. I don't love Kevin Durant
for the I mean I love Kevin Rant for every team.
I'm not giving up a ton though for someone his age,
but for a Devin Booker like that was also part
of the calculus here. Whereas you now just control so
much of Phoenix is hugure that when they blow it up,
they have no choice but to come calling to you first.
And I think this, if it's Tara Eastan for Phoenix's
twenty thirty one first round pick. I think it's at
least worth a discussion. If it's not, if rocket stands
are saying, no, go fuck it. We have enough to
get Devin Booker if we want him down the line anyway, fine,
but this is not egregious and it's it's definitely not
about Josha Kogy. I'm just at least at least insult
me the right way. That was the kJ and the
Josha Kogy of at all. I found it very funny.
Speaker 2: Ceurl Blazers trading to the Lakers, Jeremy Grant, Robert Williams,
a first round pick is going oh, broll. I thought
that was saying that they are trading away the first No,
so they're getting two first round picks.
Speaker 1: For oh, this is okay. So there was a typo
on this where I had names in the wrong fields.
This is why it's important to have in editing staff.
So the Portland Trailblazers are getting Jalachapino, D'Angelo Russell, Jared Vanderbilt,
Gabe Vincent, and the Lakers first round picks in twenty
twenty nine and twenty thirty one They would then send
Jeremy Grant and Robert Williams a third to the Lakers.
Speaker 2: Robert Williams and Jeremy Grant, Jala, Jussafino, D'Angel Russell, Jeered Vanderbilt,
Gay Vincent. What a good thing is? None of these
players have been positive impactful players as of right now.
Speaker 1: They have not even gave. Vincent's been all over the place.
Now that he's playing, Russell looks a little bit better
coming off the bench. Jared Vanderbilt still not playing. He
could argue he has value, But if you're getting two
Lakers first round picks in twenty nine and twenty thirty one,
how do you not do this? If you're the Lakers,
it's more questionable because you're not getting a star and
you're playing kind of your last best trade chips.
Speaker 2: And one thing about jere mcgrant, he gonna hit a
corner three and he's going to defend at least decently.
I like Jeremygrant the Lakers so much. Is it worth
trade and two first round picks for these two dudes?
Maybe because it allows Brandon brandon ing. It allows Anthony
Davis to move over to the four, which is what
he's been wanting to do, even though he's been dominant
at the five right now. But also Robert Williams is
not the type of dude that needs to warn a
started spot, so maybe he's just taking the Jackson Hayes minutes.
So this allows you to do some stuff like Reeves,
James Hotchie, Moore, Grant, Davis, Letbron be a point guard.
Speaker 1: Well, we got throw Dalton Connect in there, you know, Davis, Lebron, Grant,
Reeves and Connect is the lineup that's that's still pretty
good size, and I think Rouen could be really good
on offense. He's not gonna give you a ton on defense.
Don't Connect's not going to either, but if you have
a d and yeah, that's probably a little bit late
on defense. We got fit RW three in there somehow, though,
So forget Dalton Connect, Let's go super big Jeremy Grant,
Anthony Davis, RW three, Lebron and then you can go
Reeves or Connecting from in there too, get really big.
That's a hell of a lineup. I just don't know
if I'm the Lakers, Am I giving up my two
first round picks for that? Can you sandwich Moni Kamar
is involved in this deal. Would you do that, Blazer fans?
You get two of those Lakers unprotected picks twenty nine
to twenty thirty one. You're giving up three players, only
one of which potentially factors into your real long term plan?
Are you doing that? I'm that'd be interesting. If I'm
the Lakers, I'd probably pounce on it. I don't know
if they want to go the non star route, but
if you're adding, no, they have no wings, like real
wings on this roster. So to add Jeremy granted to
Montey Kamara, well, giving up those two first round picks.
I think Blazers fans will say no here, But I
also think that Blazers fans should give this more more thought.
Speaker 2: It's like he was when we first got to LA
because the one thing about Danzelo Russell's minutes is one
of the one of the few positive things about Dienzelo's
game is his playmaking ability. And because he's playing.
Speaker 1: Along by the way like they their offense is not great.
Speaker 2: And he doesn't get to showcase that as much. So yeah,
sign me up for this one too, sign me up
like that. I thought he was gonna two seconds not
mad at that. Oh he skipped over the Kings one.
Speaker 1: So for Kings fans, I had Larry Nan Junior for
Trey Lyles and two seconds. I don't know if that'll
fix the Kings. They've been all over the place they have.
I will say this, if there's a team that I
actually think has been impacted unfairly by NBA referees thus
far this season, I think it's probably Sacramento, at least
off the games that I've watched, Although we all know
that I don't actually watch games or any teams or
any players, and I've never seen them be a game
in my life. I think it's them. They're the team
I have the least feel for. But I really do
like the idea of Larry Nance Junior there, maybe as
an independent big in lineups or even if you want
to play him alongside Domasa Bonus Spurs, Chris.
Speaker 2: Bousse and Kelly Olnig on huh Zach Collins In a
first round pick that turns to two seconds? Oh boy,
I was about to say, because then the Raptors trade
away a first round pick for Kelly. I got it.
Speaker 1: I want to shout out Kenny because his content is
obviously shorter form on this. I know he has a
podcast too than mine is to go through this, I
know he's clipping out the pauses. I don't tend to
do that on our longer form stuff. Kudos to him
for like being able to go through this so quickly,
But I also like that for the most part, he's acknowledging,
like the pick protections and how they turn into something.
You could look at that trade and say, Zach Collins
in a first round pick for Chris Busche and Kelly Olinock,
it's really Zach Collins and maybe amounts to three seconds
Chicago's twenty twenty five second and then the two seconds
that Charlotte's first round pick will turn into sing up
Zach Collins in three seconds get off the final year
of his deal for expiring contracts in Chris Bousche and
Kelly Allinick, who, by the way, I think either of
them could play next to Victor Weben Yama. They'll be
defensive downgrades compared to Zach Collins, but they could stretch
the floor and maybe you want to keep one of
them around. But I'm I'm more focused on San Antonio's
offense than anything. And we also know anyone who listens
watches US regularly. Chris Bouchet is among my my siren songs.
Speaker 2: Leolinic and Os Bozzi's we Get One Back. Okay, this
is one of those trades like whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's whatever, but yeah, it compared to
some of the other trades, it's whatever.
Speaker 2: Ronald Raptors trade trade and Oo's Manjay there it is. Hey,
I watch a lot of basketball. I mean a lot
of basketball. Have I watched a single minute of maleev Leons.
I don't believe I have the name. The name just
popped up and my eyes kind of widened. Oh okay, hey,
this is like two playable centers though, and uz Min's
I would be saying yesterday. If I'm Asi, just go
get another talented prospect.
Speaker 1: And if you're here's the problem. If you're Sam Presto,
you're really gonna give up on Malevi Lions Laons. Excuse me.
I don't know if you could do that. That was like,
there's so the thunder is so impossible to make trades
with if they don't want to give up core players
because they have all these draft assets, but like all
their salary matching tools, they're not very they're not expendable
big and so you needed to find another player to
kind of throw in here. And it just helps that
Leyon's is like a contract that's technically on the books,
even though it's not guaranteed. That was kind of like
that's the thought process there, and it was go choose
your big chrispo or Kelly Olynnick just to kind of
fortify your rotation. Again. You have Kendrick Williams, you have
Isaiah Hartenstein playing Ched Holmgren will come back. But if
you were in the market for just another big man,
look are you gonna give up Usman jang for that?
It's he was drafted pretty high. He really does. There's
a feel there on offense. I will not I know
I might have said in the off season that I
would be selling my Usman Jangstock. I'm still sort of
clinging to it. I'm bag holding my Usman jang Stock.
Speaker 2: You know, solid, but they not part of our long term.
Christmushane is a lot older than what you think. Utah
Jazz Cole Anthony Yes, so okay, So you know I
was talking about that's excited about Anthony modeve player I
want in Orlando Collins sexy kind of fits that as well.
He could score man and he's a He's a talented
guy who puts it all on the table every single game.
Is he worth your last first round pick in a
future first round pick? Maybe not, but I wouldn't be.
Speaker 1: This that's interesting. So the Zach trade, since he didn't
go through it, Cole Anthony, Tristan de Silva and a
twenty twenty six first round pick, I think that's I
guess if you're really high on da Silva, I get it,
But there are other permutations there that you include Jet Howard.
The problem is is Utah needs wings more than any
first round picks, and so I'm insisting on d Silva,
especially if I'm eating coll Anthony's money. That contract has
not aged all that well for Orlando, like they are
there when you look at sort of their playmaking and
initiation ranks. The fact that they're twenty games into their
season and he's not playing a ton or consistently. Are
they just out on him? It does seem like it,
So that has to be caked into the value of
any trade there. But I love the idea of Sexton
where he kind of bridges they need shooting in an initiator,
and he's neither the best of both, but can provide both.
I do recognize that a lot of his initiation or
playmaking is gonna come when he's going downhill, and maybe
they want someone who's gonna be well. Can they make
more complicated decisions out of picking rolls or just more
reliably draw two to the ball coming around screens? Sexton
needs like a like a good level of spacing to
work with to really unlie is playmaking. Do the Magic
provide enough of it? I think this is still a
cost though I'm giving up to bring him.
Speaker 2: In mad at this one and all calling into the
league office right now, and last tray he liked that. Marcus, Sorry,
I spoke over him.
Speaker 1: So we'll go to the Washington Wizards one, which will
be the final one. The Wizards get John Conchar, Marcus Smart,
Vince Williams Junior, a twenty twenty five first round pick,
and they're sending out Kyle Kuzma and the big one here,
Patrick Baldwin Junior.
Speaker 2: Vince Williams Junior in the first round pick for Kyle
Kuzma and Patrick Baldoman Junior. Another way to just get
some more creation out there for the for the Memphis Grizzlies.
I don't hate it. Mark Is Marcus Smart about to
do that for the second half of his career or
the last part of his career? Just get traded? Here?
Speaker 1: There is that?
Speaker 2: Is that the fate of Marcus Smart?
Speaker 1: That would suck. Admit, I don't think I'm doing this.
If I'm Memphis, I'd prefer brandon Ingram to Kyle Kuzma,
who's been chucking this year. But I think in a
different type of environment, with a deeper, more established pecking order,
you would see him rein in his game and be
more of a play finisher. And I think he has
improved a pretty good deal defensively. When he's locked in.
He would work in Memphis. I mean, you're getting off
the contract in smart contracts. But for Vince Williams Junior
in a first I don't know if I'm doing that.
If I'm Memphis. I know that I'm the one who
wrote this, But this is being proposed from the wizard's perspective,
which I'm jumping on this because maybe you can rehab
Marcus Mart's value a little bit, and Vince Williams Junior
is a hell of a prospect for them to get.
You almost just have a bunch of defensive talent in
there with Blackhoolabali Keishawn George can defend pretty well. But
even boh, excuse me, bub Carrington having nice eyes. But
if you if you said no to like two raw
first round picks last year for kuzma Er, you're saying
yes to this one while taking on smart Maybe not.
I still think I'm doing it, but that might say
more about how I feel. With regards to Vince Williams Junior,
I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of story.
Speaker 1: I guess he's done there. He didn't know about that one.
Didn't seem to like my final trades there. That was fun.
Let me know if you like. This might be a
little bit choppy ast sort of a first time run through,
but shout out to Kenny for going through the work
and providing me with a way to I guess I
give you over an hour's worth of content until next time.
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