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<v Speaker 1>You probably think you know exactly how big the Internet is.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Oh? Absolutely, I mean we all kind of assume

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<v Speaker 2>we do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you use it every single day. You check

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<v Speaker 1>the news, you stream videos, you buy things on amazons,

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<v Speaker 1>scroll through social media.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels completely infinite, it really does.

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<v Speaker 1>But the truth is the Internet you know and interact

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<v Speaker 1>with it is just four percent of what is actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Out there, just a tiny fraction.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, You are basically staring at the bright, sunlit tip

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<v Speaker 1>of this massive iceberg, completely ignoring the gigantic, invisible and

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<v Speaker 1>honestly sometimes highly dangerous world lurking deep beneath the freezing water.

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<v Speaker 2>And the vast majority of the Internet's sheer mass is

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<v Speaker 2>permanently submerged down there.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It is hidden away, fundamentally invisible to standard search engines

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<v Speaker 2>like Google, and entirely inaccessible unless you know exactly where

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<v Speaker 2>to look and know how to actually get there.

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<v Speaker 1>So today we are taking a deep dive into those

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<v Speaker 1>hidden layers. We are drawing from this really extensive academic

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<v Speaker 1>and professional guide called Dark Web Investigation, Security, Informatics, and

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<v Speaker 1>Law Enforcement.

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<v Speaker 2>Edited by Bubback Agar and a whole team of researchers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, great source material and Our mission today is to

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<v Speaker 1>give you an absolute shortcut being truly well informed about

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<v Speaker 1>this hidden digital geography.

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<v Speaker 2>Because there is so much misinformation out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh totally. We are going to cut right through the

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood hacker myths, you know, the guys in hoodies typing

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<v Speaker 1>furiously in dark neonlit rooms, to understand how the dark

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<v Speaker 1>web actually functions on a technical level.

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<v Speaker 2>And the surprisingly mixed bag of people who actually rely

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<v Speaker 2>on it for survival.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, plus the high stakes invisible war playing out right

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<v Speaker 1>now between global law enforcement and massive criminal syndicates.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is a digital space defined entirely by absolute anonymity.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is wild to think about.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, and that core feature is what makes it

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<v Speaker 2>an incredibly powerful tool for human rights and simultaneously an

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly dangerous haven for illicit activity.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's unpack this, because to really understand what the

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<v Speaker 1>dark web is, we have to start by drawing a

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<v Speaker 1>map of the Internet itself.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a great place to start.

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<v Speaker 1>Because people throw around the words Internet and Worldwide Web constantly,

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<v Speaker 1>usually acting like they mean the exact same.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing oh all the time. Yeah, But diving into the research,

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<v Speaker 2>it becomes glaringly obvious that they represent two entirely different concepts.

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<v Speaker 2>That distinction is really the foundational building blog for this

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<v Speaker 2>entire topic. The Internet is the actual physical and logical infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the cables and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. It is the massive global network of networks. It

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<v Speaker 2>consists of the physical fiber optic cables running across ocean floors,

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<v Speaker 2>the satellite links, the physical servers.

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<v Speaker 1>And they all communicate via Internet Protocol.

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<v Speaker 2>Right IP, Yes, via IP. So think of the Internet

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<v Speaker 2>as the physical roads, the bridges, and the highways of

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<v Speaker 2>the digital world.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>The World Wide Web, on the other hand, was invented

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<v Speaker 2>by Tim berners Lee back in nineteen eighty nine, and

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<v Speaker 2>the Web is one specific way of sharing information over

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<v Speaker 2>those roads using HTTP.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Internet is the highway system and the world

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<v Speaker 1>Wide Web is just the commercial traffic driving on those

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<v Speaker 1>specific roads. Perfect way to look at it, and that

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<v Speaker 1>traffic is divided into distinct layers. The very top layer

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<v Speaker 1>is the surface web.

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<v Speaker 2>The part we all know right this is that.

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<v Speaker 1>Four percent of the iceberg sitting above the water. It

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<v Speaker 1>is indexed by search engines Google, Bing, Wikipedia, Amazon, the

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<v Speaker 1>blog you read this morning, that is all surface web.

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<v Speaker 2>Because search engine algorithms use automated spiders to literally crawl

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<v Speaker 2>from link to link.

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<v Speaker 1>Logging everything they find so you can just search for

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<v Speaker 1>it later exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But those spiders hit a brick wall the second they

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<v Speaker 2>encounter a login screen or password prompt or a paywall,

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<v Speaker 2>they just stop. They cannot crawl past those barriers, and

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<v Speaker 2>that plunges you underwater into the remaining ninety six percent

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<v Speaker 2>of the Internet, which we call the deep web.

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<v Speaker 1>The deep web, which sounds super sketchy, but it's really not.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not at all. It is massive, and it is

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<v Speaker 2>entirely unindexed. But you interact with the deep web on

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<v Speaker 2>a daily basis.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it holds your personal medical records, your online banking dashboard,

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<v Speaker 1>academic databases, private corporate intranets, anything behind a password.

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<v Speaker 2>The numbers on that are staggering. The research highlights a

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<v Speaker 2>highly specific ratio.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh right, the data sources down.

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<v Speaker 2>On the deep web. There are three point four structured

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<v Speaker 2>data sources for every one unstructured source.

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<v Speaker 1>Meaning it isn't some chaotic wasteland. It is primarily just

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<v Speaker 1>heavily organized, highly private data silos.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, so if I'm picturing this right, the surface web

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<v Speaker 1>is basically a public library. Anyone can walk through the

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<v Speaker 1>front doors, browse the main catalog, pull a book off

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<v Speaker 1>the shelf. Sure, the deep web, that massive ninety six

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<v Speaker 1>percent is the secure archive down in the basement of

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<v Speaker 1>that exact same.

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<v Speaker 2>Library where you need special access.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, you need a staff I D card or specific

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<v Speaker 1>password just to view your own personal tax records.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a great analogy.

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<v Speaker 1>But then we get to the dark web, and the

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<v Speaker 1>dark web is like a secret vault hidden behind a

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<v Speaker 1>fake bookshelf in that basement. I love that you need

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<v Speaker 1>a highly specific encrypted physical key justifying the door, let

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<v Speaker 1>alone actually open it.

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<v Speaker 2>What's fascinating here is that the technology used to build

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<v Speaker 2>that secret vault wasn't created by rogue hackers or criminal syndicates.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is what everyone assumes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely, but it was actually developed in the mid

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen nineties by the United States Naval Research Laboratory.

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<v Speaker 1>The US military built it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the military's original goal was to anonymize TCP based applications.

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<v Speaker 1>And to clarify that for everyone. TCP is essentially the

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<v Speaker 1>fundamental language computers used to establish a reliable connection and exchange.

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<v Speaker 2>Data, kind of like the postal service tracking system for

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<v Speaker 2>the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So the Navy needed a way to mask that

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<v Speaker 1>tracking to protect field operatives, intelligence gathering, and spies operating

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<v Speaker 1>over seat Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It was entirely built by the government to protect its own.

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<v Speaker 1>People, which brings us to the actual architecture of that anonymity.

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<v Speaker 1>Because knowing that a hidden volt exists is one thing, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But how do people actually get inside without leaving a

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<v Speaker 1>massive trail of digital breadcrumbs for anyone to follow.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you cannot just open up standard browsers like Chrome

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<v Speaker 2>or Safari and stumble into the dark web.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that won't work at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Users rely on highly specialized overlay networks, and the most

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<v Speaker 2>famous of these is.

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<v Speaker 1>TOR, which sanse for the Onion router.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the Onion router. Tour takes your Internet data and

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<v Speaker 2>encapsulates it in multiple complex layers of encryption.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally mimicking the layers of an onion precisely. But how

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<v Speaker 1>does that actually mask your identity? I mean, if I

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<v Speaker 1>send a message, it still has to get from my

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<v Speaker 1>computer to its destination somehow.

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<v Speaker 2>That is where the volunteer node system comes into play.

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<v Speaker 2>When you connect using TOR, your traffic isn't taking a

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<v Speaker 2>direct route.

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<v Speaker 1>It bounces around right exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It is bounced haphazardly through a decentralized network of volunteer

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<v Speaker 2>computers called nodes all over the.

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<v Speaker 1>World, just random people's computers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, you hit an entry node also called a guard node,

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<v Speaker 2>then you bounce to a middle node, and finally you

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<v Speaker 2>hit an exit node, and.

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<v Speaker 1>That exit node is what sends your request out to

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<v Speaker 1>its final destination.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but here is the genius of the Onion design.

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<v Speaker 2>Each node only possesses the cryptographic key to peel off

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<v Speaker 2>one single layer of encryption.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, so no single computer in the chain has

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<v Speaker 1>the full picture exactly. The entry node knows who you are,

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<v Speaker 1>but has no idea what data you are sending or

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<v Speaker 1>where it's actually going. And the exit node knows what

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<v Speaker 1>the data is and where it's going, but has absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>no idea who originally sent it.

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<v Speaker 2>Precisely the mechanism. Yeah, the chain of custody is completely shattered.

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<v Speaker 1>That is incredibly clever, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you are trying to visit a hidden service

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<v Speaker 2>hosted entirely inside the Tour network, you aren't typing in

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<v Speaker 2>a standard dot com address.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, that looks super weird, very weird.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to type a complete letely randomized sixteen character

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<v Speaker 2>alphanomeric string that ends in dot onion.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, I have to push back on this volunteer node

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<v Speaker 1>system for a second. Sure, if tor relies on the

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<v Speaker 1>computers of random volunteers to bounce this heavily encrypted traffic around,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it incredibly dangerous to be that exit node? Ah? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>because that is the specific machine where the traffic finally

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<v Speaker 1>leaves the encrypted network and enters the open internet.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you have hit on one of the most significant

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerabilities for the people supporting the network. It is a

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<v Speaker 2>massive legal risk to run an exit node. I can

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<v Speaker 2>imagine because if a user leverages Tour to commit a crime,

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<v Speaker 2>say they hack into a financial institution or purchase illegal contraband,

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<v Speaker 2>the IP address that shows up on the bank's security

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<v Speaker 2>log or law enforcement's radar is not the.

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<v Speaker 1>Criminals, it's the volunteers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the trail ends abruptly at the IP address of

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<v Speaker 2>the volunteer running that exit node. Oh man, So when

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<v Speaker 2>global law enforcement starts knocking on doors, the volunteer here's

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<v Speaker 2>the first person they visit.

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<v Speaker 1>That is terrifying for anyone just trying to support digital privacy.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is.

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<v Speaker 1>But Tour isn't the only infrastructure down there. The guide

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<v Speaker 1>also dives heavily into alternatives like ITWOP and free net,

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<v Speaker 1>which take this paranoia to an entirely different level.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh definitely. ITWOP stands for the Invisible Internet Project, and

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<v Speaker 2>instead of onion routing, it utilizes a concept called garlic routing.

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<v Speaker 1>Which sounds like we're just running through the produce syle.

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<v Speaker 1>But what does that actually mean mechanically?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the metaphor actually makes perfect sense once you look

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<v Speaker 2>at the architecture. Okay, how so in garlic routing, multiple

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<v Speaker 2>messages from different users are bundled tightly together like individual

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<v Speaker 2>clothes in a single bulb of garlic. Oh icy, So

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<v Speaker 2>if anyone intercepts the traffic, it is functionally impossible to

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<v Speaker 2>isolate a single message or determine its origin, because they're

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<v Speaker 2>all moving as one massive encrypted cluster.

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<v Speaker 1>That is brilliant.

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<v Speaker 2>Furthermore, ITOP creates separate one way inbound and outbound tunnels

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<v Speaker 2>for data.

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<v Speaker 1>To make it even harder to track.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, to make it incredibly difficult for an adversary to

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<v Speaker 2>run traffic analysis. Those tunnels expire and completely rebuild themselves every.

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<v Speaker 1>Ten minutes, oh every ten minutes, and then you have

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<v Speaker 1>free net, which operates on a completely different philosophy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, free net is entirely different.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a decentralized peer to peer network. Like to

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<v Speaker 1>even use free net, you are required to donate a

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<v Speaker 1>portion of your own computer's hard drive space and your

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<v Speaker 1>There are no central servers to take down. The users

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<v Speaker 2>And we have to look closely at a major update

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<v Speaker 1>Right, the darknet mode.

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<v Speaker 2>The architecture across all these networks is explicitly designed to

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<v Speaker 2>the garlic bundling, the peer to peer storage, is completely neutral.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just mas and code which forces us to look

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<v Speaker 1>at a really complicated reality. If the technology is entirely neutral.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is actually utilizing these invisible networks on a daily basis?

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<v Speaker 2>That specific question is the subject of intense debate among

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's not all bad guys, not at all.

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<v Speaker 2>The data highlights a fascinating split in how we analyze

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<v Speaker 2>the dark web. When researchers deploy machine learning algorithms to

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<v Speaker 2>automatically scan and classify dark websites, the algorithms suggest a

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<v Speaker 2>ratio of about fifty two percent legal content to forty

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<v Speaker 2>eight percent illegal content.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, how is that possible? Almost an even.

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<v Speaker 2>Split according to the automated scans.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, how can a computer algorithm and a human researcher

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<v Speaker 1>look at the exact same dark web landscape and come

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<v Speaker 1>up with numbers that contradict each other? What is the

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<v Speaker 1>machine actually missing there?

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<v Speaker 2>It really comes down to nuance. An algorithm is often

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<v Speaker 1>It's just crunching numbers exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But when researchers conduct manual classifications, meaning human beings actually

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Manual classification suggests that up to sixty eight percent of

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<v Speaker 1>Here's where it gets really interesting, because you have to

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<v Speaker 1>Street itself is just geography. The darkness is just an

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<v Speaker 1>environmental condition exactly. A human rights activist or a dissident

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<v Speaker 1>can use that darkness to safely escape an oppressive authoritarian

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<v Speaker 1>regime that literally wants them dead. But a criminal can

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<v Speaker 2>If we connect this to the big picture, we are

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<v Speaker 2>looking at the ultimate double edged sword of digital privacy.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is the exact same cryptographic anonymity that protects

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<v Speaker 2>the innocent serves as the ultimate shield for the guilty. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>On the non criminal side of the street, you have

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<v Speaker 2>specifically recommend using tour to bypass authoritarian firewalls.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's a literal life saver for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you have whistleblowers trying to safely leak evidence of

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<v Speaker 2>corporate or government corruption. You even have major corporate IT

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<v Speaker 2>security teams down there silently monitoring the darknet to see

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<v Speaker 2>if their own company's proprietary assets have been compromised.

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<v Speaker 1>But sharing that exact same digital street are cyber criminal

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<v Speaker 1>syndicates selling narcotics, illegal weapons, and malicious software. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>busy street very you have activists launching coordinated attacks and

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<v Speaker 1>state sponsored actors engaging in high level political cyber espionage.

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<v Speaker 2>And the transition from physical contraband to digital goods is

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<v Speaker 1>People always think it's just drugs and weapons, right.

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<v Speaker 2>We often visualize the dark web as a shadowy marketplace

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<v Speaker 2>for illegal drugs, But a staggering portion of this underground

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<v Speaker 2>economy runs entirely on data, and.

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<v Speaker 1>More specifically, it runs on your data exactly. We have

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the sheer scale of that underground data

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<v Speaker 1>economy because it is difficult to wrap your head around.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to understand the magnitude of this, just

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<v Speaker 1>look at the twenty thirteen Yahoo hack detailed in the research.

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<v Speaker 2>That event was a true watershed moment for cybersecurity.

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<v Speaker 1>It was massive.

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<v Speaker 2>Five hundred million user accounts were fully compromised, half a billion,

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<v Speaker 2>half a billion. We are talking about full names, primary

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<v Speaker 2>email addresses, passwords, and security questions.

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<v Speaker 1>All of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And that entire massive database was packaged and put up

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<v Speaker 2>for auction on the dark web, fetching up to three

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<v Speaker 1>That is insane. And it isn't just massive tech platforms

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<v Speaker 1>taking the hit. The healthcare IT industry is an incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>lucrative target.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's look at the twenty sixteen case involving a company

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<v Speaker 1>called pilot Phish Technology, Right. I remember that one cybercriminals

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<v Speaker 1>managed to steal their proprietary source code, along with a

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<v Speaker 1>massive list of employee user names, and dump the entire

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<v Speaker 1>package for sale on a dark web market called alphabet.

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<v Speaker 2>And healthcare data is significantly more valuable than a standard.

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<v Speaker 1>Credit card number because it is rich in permanent personal identifiers.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you can cancel a credit card, but you

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<v Speaker 2>This makes patients highly vulnerable to targeted spearfishing.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead of throwing a wide generic net of spam emails

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<v Speaker 2>hoping someone randomly clicks, criminals use that stolen medical data

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<v Speaker 2>to throw a highly targeted spear and make it look

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<v Speaker 2>real it's very real baycraft emails referencing a patient's specific

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<v Speaker 2>doctor or a specific medical condition, making the extortion or

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<v Speaker 2>the fake billing look completely legitimate.

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<v Speaker 1>But what is truly alarming is how these criminal syndicates

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<v Speaker 2>It's not always what you'd expect.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it isn't always some brilliant external hacker breaking through

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<v Speaker 1>a firewall. The researchers detail a rapidly growing trend known

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<v Speaker 2>Which is terrifying for businesses. Organizations spend millions of dollars

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<v Speaker 2>building perimeter defenses, but criminals on the dark web bypass

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<v Speaker 2>all of it by actively recruiting disgruntled corporate employees. It

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<v Speaker 2>just bribed them essentially. Yes, they use these anonymous forums

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<v Speaker 2>to offer massive payouts in untraceable cryptocurrency. Wow. All the

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<v Speaker 2>logging credentials or smuggle confidential data out on a flash drive.

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<v Speaker 1>So the threat walks right through the front door because

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<v Speaker 1>it is using an authorized password. And speaking of bypassing

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<v Speaker 1>the rules. The analysis of activists, particularly the decentralized group Anonymous,

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<v Speaker 1>presents a fascinating contradiction.

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<v Speaker 2>They are a very complex group.

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<v Speaker 1>On one hand, Anonymous ran a campaign called Operation Darknet

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<v Speaker 1>where they acted as digital vigilantes. They actively tracked down, unmasked,

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<v Speaker 1>and destroyed illegal child abuse sites on the dark web,

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<v Speaker 1>effectively policing the worst elements of that space.

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<v Speaker 2>But simultaneously, members of that same overarching collective created something

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<v Speaker 1>Which is a dark web chat forum that essentially operates

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<v Speaker 1>as an illegal underground hacking academy.

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<v Speaker 2>It is wild, it is.

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<v Speaker 1>They utilize the encrypted space to teach new recruits advanced

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<v Speaker 1>hacking tactics, share malware, and coordinate attacks.

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<v Speaker 2>So they are enforcing a moral code on the dark

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<v Speaker 2>web while simultaneously running a school for cyber warfare in

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<v Speaker 2>the exact same environment.

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<v Speaker 1>The hypocrisy is staggering.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it perfectly illustrates how incredibly complex the ecosystem is

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<v Speaker 2>in this underground economy. Data is the ultimate currency and

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<v Speaker 2>true power belongs to whoever can control, manipulate, or expose it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is exactly why modern corporations and government agencies can

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<v Speaker 2>no longer just build tall firewalls and hope the threat

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<v Speaker 2>stays outside.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to go on the offensive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they are increasingly forced to deploy their own IT

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<v Speaker 2>security teams directly into the dark web to proactively search

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<v Speaker 2>for stolen assets and monitor the chatter of criminal syndicates.

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<v Speaker 1>So what does this all mean? How does global law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement deal with this? It's like trying to squeeze a balloony.

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<v Speaker 1>He squeeze the surface web tightly with regulations, takedowns, and monitoring,

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<v Speaker 1>and the criminality doesn't disappear at all. It just inflates

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<v Speaker 1>the balloon further down in the unindexed, encrypted dark web.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly how do authorities win that game without destroying the

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<v Speaker 1>anonymity network that dissidents and journalists rely on to survive.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the defining policing dilemma of the digital age.

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<v Speaker 2>The balloon analogy is incredibly accurate, particularly when you look

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<v Speaker 2>at the adaptation of terrorist organizations following the tragic November

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen Paris attacks. Law enforcement and vision anti groups

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<v Speaker 2>like Anonymous aggressively took down surface level websites associated with ISIS.

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<v Speaker 1>But the groups simply shifted their digital infrastructure heavily into

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<v Speaker 1>the darknet. Yes, the documentation points to a specific propaganda

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<v Speaker 1>website called isdarat. When authorities continuously remove the site from

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<v Speaker 1>the surface web, the organization simply launched a dark web mirror.

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<v Speaker 2>Of it, and to ensure their followers could actually find

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<v Speaker 2>that hidden location, they leveraged the heavily encrypted messaging app

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<v Speaker 2>Telegram to broadcast the new Dota Onion.

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<v Speaker 1>Link, which is very smart. Honestly.

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<v Speaker 2>According to the captured data, that single message was viewed

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<v Speaker 2>by seven six hundred and twenty nine users. Wow. They

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<v Speaker 2>executed a seamless transition of their audience from the visible

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<v Speaker 2>web right into the dark neck.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't just move, though, they actively educate their supporters

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<v Speaker 1>on how to use these complex tools. They do like

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<v Speaker 1>Al Qaida went as far as distributing a manual titled

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<v Speaker 1>Tour Browser Security.

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<v Speaker 2>Guidelines, a literal instruction manual.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The goal was to teach their sympathizers the technical

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<v Speaker 1>steps required to use the network, specifically to delay or

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<v Speaker 1>block geolocation tracking by international law.

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<v Speaker 2>Enforcement and the broader analysis indicates that these decentralized groups

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<v Speaker 2>heavily utilize the dark web across multiple.

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<v Speaker 1>Vectors, not just for hiding sites right.

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<v Speaker 2>They use it for secure communication to spread ideological propaganda,

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<v Speaker 2>such as the Debique magazine, which the sources note frames

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<v Speaker 2>their global conflict as a fundamental defense against unbelief, as

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<v Speaker 2>well as to actively recruit new members and coordinate global

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<v Speaker 2>financing entirely through untraceable cryptocurrency networks.

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<v Speaker 1>This raises an important question. If the encryption is mathematically sound,

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<v Speaker 1>and if the peer to peer networks have no central

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<v Speaker 1>servers and the tools are entirely decentralized, does law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>ever actually win.

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<v Speaker 2>They absolutely do, but it requires an astonishing amount of resources,

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<v Speaker 2>unprecedented global coordination, and a massive shift in traditional investigative tactics.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like busting a regular physical crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Not at all. Law enforcement agencies have successfully infiltrated and

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<v Speaker 2>dismantled massive dark web market places ye including the original

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<v Speaker 1>But they didn't do that by breaking the encryption right.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they did not achieve that by breaking the underlying

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<v Speaker 2>math of onion routing. They achieved it by exploiting human error.

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<v Speaker 1>The technology might be structurally flawless, but the human beings

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<v Speaker 1>operating it are prone to mistakes. Always a server gets

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<v Speaker 2>Or an undercover federal agent spends months building trust to

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<v Speaker 2>infiltrate the inner circle of a syndicate.

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<v Speaker 1>It requires highly controversial sting operations.

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<v Speaker 2>Very controversial authorities. Frequently sees physical servers and foreign jurisdictions

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<v Speaker 2>secretly takeover illegal forms to gather intelligence, and occasionally resort

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<v Speaker 2>to injecting specialized malware directly into the darknet.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to unmask the true IP addresses of specific users.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. It is an incredibly slow, resource intensive battle of attrition.

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<v Speaker 1>So to recap the incredible journey we have been on today,

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<v Speaker 1>we started at the brightly lit, highly visible tip of

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet iceberg, the surface web we all scroll through daily.

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<v Speaker 1>We dove beneath the water into the massive, unindexed archives

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<v Speaker 1>of the deep web, and finally slip through the encrypted,

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<v Speaker 1>hidden doors.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the dark web, the secret vault.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we explored the peeling layers of tors onion routing,

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<v Speaker 1>the bundled security of ittop's garlic routing, and the decentralized vaults.

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<v Speaker 2>Of free net, and we observed an underground landscape that

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<v Speaker 2>is shared incredibly uncomfortably.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

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<v Speaker 2>Freedom fighters avoiding oppressive regimes operate in the exact same

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<v Speaker 2>bandwidth as cyber criminals selling stolen identities.

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<v Speaker 1>We examined an economy where corporate insiders are actively recruited

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<v Speaker 1>to betray their own companies, and where law enforcement and

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<v Speaker 1>global threat actors are locked in a perpetual, invisible war

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<v Speaker 1>of adaptation.

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<v Speaker 2>It never really ends.

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<v Speaker 1>And you might be listening to this right now thinking, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is absolutely fascinating, But I have never downloaded tour

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<v Speaker 1>in my life, and I have never clicked on a

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<v Speaker 1>dot Onion link, so this doesn't actually affect me.

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<v Speaker 2>But it absolutely does.

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<v Speaker 1>It really does because your medical records, your corporate emails,

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<v Speaker 1>your passwords, and your entire digital identity, those are the

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<v Speaker 1>exact currencies currently being traded in that hidden space.

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<v Speaker 2>Your personal data is the ultimate commodity keeping those underground

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<v Speaker 2>markets aflow.

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<v Speaker 1>You are a highly valued participant in the dark web economy,

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<v Speaker 1>whether you ever chose.

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<v Speaker 2>To log in or not, which is a sobering thought.

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<v Speaker 1>It is which leaves us with a final lingering thought

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<v Speaker 1>for you to mull over. We talked extensively about the

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<v Speaker 1>iceberg and how the dark web is protected by thick

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<v Speaker 1>layers of freezing, impenetrable water. Right, But what happens if

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean begins to boil. If law enforcement eventually develops

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<v Speaker 1>advanced artificial intelligence or quantum computing capable of instantly breaking

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<v Speaker 1>complex encryption, they could completely unmask the dark Way to

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<v Speaker 1>catch the worst hackers and terrorists.

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<v Speaker 2>They could catch everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>But if they do, will the ultimate cost be the

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<v Speaker 1>permanent end of digital privacy for whistleblowers, journalists, and vulnerable

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<v Speaker 1>dissidents around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it fundamentally possible to melt the ice for the

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<v Speaker 2>criminals without drowning everyone else in the process.

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<v Speaker 1>Something to think about the next time you log on
