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Speaker 2: How are you doing, man, I'm doing great. Thank you
so much for having me excited to talk these iconic fils.
Speaker 1: We are here to compare to golf movies from quite
a distance. Apart from one from nineteen eighty and one
from nineteen ninety six, celebrating its twenty fifth anniversary, we
are comparing Caddyshack with Happy Gilmore.
Speaker 3: I know it's going to be amazing. These are some
of the most quotable fun sports golf movies of all times.
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sounds we have Adam Wine repute with us today. Adam
is a podcaster. He is experience in film, he has
comedy experience, and his podcast deals with sports. It's kind
of this fantastic combination of comedy and sports where he
finds folks who are funny, but instead of talking to
them about their comedy stuff and their film stuff, he
talks to him about their sports teams.
Speaker 3: That's fantastic.
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, sports Fire is the name of
that podcast. You need to check it out. Adam, tell
us more about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. Sport Fires started as like a sports
comedy Bang Bang. It was a pretty straight and easy pitch.
I was like, I'll get buddies on. I'm in some
comedy groups shout out rad Motel sketch comedy, and shout
out to sort of best friends sketch comedy as well.
They've been great friends and they've been very helpful in
the early stage of the podcast. But I was like,
you know, it would be great if eventually, you know,
it would be a dream if it evolved into more
famous comedians and more notable guests. Maybe some of them
want to play characters. I can collaborate with them and
write some bits and stuff. And then within like a month,
I had Heidi Gardner from SNL who wanted to come
on and do an interview. Had Rob Wriggle, had Eric Legrahand,
the Rutgers star who was paralyzed and is now an
advocate for disabilities. So just some absolutely mind blowing guests
that I never expected i'd have so soon. So now
it has become a comedy, sports interview, sketch hybrid podcast
quicker than i'd anticipated. But you guys like all the
things that I just said, And if you like Happy
Go More and caddysheck, you might like sportfire Man.
Speaker 3: That's awesome, it really is. And you also are a
Yankees fan. You got a Yankees podcast for us?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the best team in the world. Seconds before this
pod record, it's called the yanksco Yard Podcast. If you're
a Yankee fan. Actually, if you're a Yankee fan, I'd
recommend not listening because they're five and seven and have
terrible pitching. If you're a Boston Red Sox fan, three
times a week, you get a delightful time Yankee fans
who've been sentenced directly to a chamber of hell to
talk about the worst team in baseball Monday, Wednesday, Friday.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Okay, So I just came from like a
fight with my wife that was epic. You have come
from a family tragedy with a car that breaks down
in the middle of it, and you have come fresh
off a loss of your favorite sports team. So this
should be a hystericis.
Speaker 2: Episode Mine is a clear number three that it's not club.
Speaker 1: So nineteen seventy we have a guy named Doug Kenny
who becomes an editor on the Harvard Lampoon. Now, from
nineteen seventy to nineteen eighty, there's kind of a revolution
that's going on in the comedy world. You've got Harvard
Lampoon that ultimately will become National Lampoon, right, and you've
got what has been building up for the ten years
before Second City Television, which is going to produce a
whole lot of guys who are going to become the
face of comedy in the nineteen eighties. So back to
Doug Kenny, one of the writers and producers on this movie.
He gets finished with colle He doesn't want to go
onto law school, which is what his parents want him
to do, and so he convinces his friend who's gotten
into law school not to do it, but to instead
make a national magazine out of the Harvard Lampoon and
for it to be a national magazine, they changed the name.
Speaker 3: To National Lampoon.
Speaker 1: There you go, and surprisingly not many magazine companies want
to go with two upstart kids right out of college
and then five years their political commentary, their weird humor.
It makes some iconic in the comedy world, in the
written comedy world, and they end up selling the National
Lampoon for millions of dollars. And so at just twenty
something years of age, Doug Kenney is now a multi millionaire.
Good thing he did into law school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really, it's unmitigated genius, those National Lampoon guys. If
you've got people from overseas like Tony Hendra, you've got
and Beats who just passed away. One of the original
Acnel writers was a writer on that staff. And then
they start like sort of importing people from the Second
City mixed for their radio show. So you've got Murray Ramis,
Gilda Radners doing cameos. They do the Lemmings Show and
they take it on tour, which is where Belushi first
did Joe Cocker And like a lot of the stuff
you liked from the first couple seasons of SNL, So like,
if I could time travel back to one melting pot,
it's probably that early National Lampoon Room, because it's everybody
from SNL before Lauren Michael started poaching them one by one, right, So.
Speaker 1: Lauren Michaels is a key ingredient there. Lauren Michaels had
been doing comedy television in Canada and he came to
NBC to do this kind of weird sketch variety comedy show,
and there was nothing going on on TV that back then,
Like the place they got at thirty Rock was cheap
because they couldn't find anybody to lease the place. And
so in October eleventh, nineteen seventy five, exactly one week
after I was born, the first episode of Saturday Nut
Live goes on the air.
Speaker 3: By from New York It's Saturday.
Speaker 1: Not. One of the guys in that original cast set
was a guy named Chevy Chase, and Chevy had met
Lauren Michaels in line at like the movies or something.
I mean, it was a very random meeting. So Lauren
had convinced him to join, wanting him to be a writer,
but he wanted to be on the screen, and so
they put together their first improv set before they start filming,
and people are kind of funny, but Chevy is hysterical
and it's because he falls down. Because something that's universal
through comedy is physical comedy. If you think of some
of the old stuff, like if you watch comedy from
the fifties and the forties, it's not usually funny unless
it's the physical comedy. You go back to Charlie Chaplin,
evenhen you couldn't hear it, he was still funny because
it was physical comedy. And Chevy nailed that. And so
he gets in front of the camera and then they
put him in the news spot. So he says, well,
you know, I'm gonna say my name is you know,
Walter Crankkite or something like that, and Lawrence Michaels is like, no, no, no,
just say your name. Just go ahead and say your name,
and then you do the news. Could you think I'm
Chevy Chase and you're not tough, and because he said
his own name, he became the most famous, well known
guy on Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 2: Sounds like a fake name, right right right, He sounds
like a bit.
Speaker 3: His real name is Cornelius Crane Chase, and so his
granddad gave him the nickname Chevy.
Speaker 1: So he performs on that in the first cast group.
After one year, this crazy comedy sketch wins an Emmy,
and he is the only actor who wins an Emmy
for his performance on the show, like the show itself wins.
And then he wins, and then he decides I'm big enough,
I'm going to go ahead and go out on my own,
and so he leaves the show.
Speaker 3: Yep, and he is replaced by this guy named Bill Murray.
Speaker 1: Also a Second City guy. Wasn't funny whenever he first
got on the show, like it was. Really he was
really a bad replacement for Chevy Chase, which is ironic
considering how I think they both ultimately turned up.
Speaker 2: I mean to be fair, though, if you think you're
replacing Chevy Chase with Bill Murray, your expectations are different
than if you're like, I'm ready to watch anybody and
make me laugh, because like you've got this buttoned up
news guy president Gerald forod and you're replacing him with like,
you know, cock eyed, messed up hair character embodying Bill Murry.
It's a totally different ride.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: The interesting thing before we go too much for that
and we'll talk about this more later. But Chevy Chase,
when he left, there was some resentment from the cast
to Satura Night Live. They felt like, hey, you know,
we built this thing up to something really great and
there you go, you're off making movies. And he came
back to co host the show in nineteen seventy eight
and kind of full of himself, kind of a jerked everybody,
kind of like, hey, everybody, I'm out making millions of dollars.
You guys are still stuck here. Bill Murray, his replacement,
sort of became the avenging angel of the cast, and
they got in a fistfight backstage that would come into
play later when they're shooting Caddyshack.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't get along rule well for that time period.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: I believe Chevy called him pitface.
Speaker 1: That's horrible. Yeah, that's horrible.
Speaker 3: There's different reports on whether it's actual punch is thrown,
but a disagreeable wrestling match definitely occurred in the hallway
right before the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. The guy who wrote the book Cinderella's Story,
Gattie Shack, he calls it a fistfight. There you go.
I'm thinking it's got to be. I mean, we got
a guy from Chicago. Of course he's gonna throw a punch. Right.
Come on, let's be adults here, mess the place up.
We can handle this in private. Let's go to your office.
Speaker 4: I'll make some drinks for us all we'll talk about it.
Speaker 2: Come on.
Speaker 1: Okay. So we've seen comedy changing in the magazine and
in television, and then we have this magical change that
is also happening in the movies. We had this weird
kind of sketch comedy movie that comes out with this
young novice director called the Kentucky Fried Movie, which is
of course the Zucker brother and John Landis who put
that movie together. And it does reasonably well. And then
John Landis goes on to pair up with National Lampoon
in their first movie called Animal House.
Speaker 3: Right Dug Kenney Road Animal House, and it became, like
I think it was the highest grossing comedy of all
time at that moment.
Speaker 1: I think that made like one hundred and forty one
million dollars off of a something like six million dollar budget.
Speaker 3: What the hell was supposed to do? You moron?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that's true. I love Animal House too,
but you can't come up with a more perfect vehicle
for Belushi, Like, if you're trying to spin him off
into something, it's like you've hit a casting home run already.
In terms of these parody movies, I didn't see Kentucky
Fried movie as a kid because it was deemed like
a little one layer two out there. But there was
a time in my life where all I would watch
was I would ask my parents does this movie have
parodies in it? They were like, you can watch anything
up to Kentucky Fried movie, Like, UHF, great, you watch that.
My aim screen name was Parody King. So these movies
were very formative for me, and shockingly enough, I didn't
need numbers after Parody King. They were like, you want
to be called that? Okay, Yeah, you're the only one. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well okay, so let's back up just a second. So
after they had done Animal House and you have this
massive comedy hit and it makes tons of money, the
Studio brings in Doug Kenny Harold Ramis and they say,
all right, what do you got for us next? And
Harold Ramis is like, well, I've got this idea about
Nazis in.
Speaker 1: In like Illinois, Illinois Nazis.
Speaker 4: I hate Illinois Nazis.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They're like, okay, what else you got? And then I
think Doug Kenny had some kind of weird, sort of
off the wall spiritual idea and they're like, well, yeah,
what else you got? And they remembered a story that
Brian Doyle Murray had told them about their days that
when all the Murray brothers had caddied at this country club,
and they just kind of half remember this story that
Brian Doyle Murray had said, and they said, well, what
about snobs versus slobs at a golf course? And they're like,
now that sounds interesting. Then they went back and grabbed
Brian Doyle Murray and they're like, hey, dude, sorry, we
stold your story. You get to go write it with us,
and let's let's go.
Speaker 1: So there's another Animal House actor that comes into play
at this point that has a relationship with Brian Doyle Murray.
Speaker 3: Yes, so Sarah Holcombe, who played the underaged daughter of
the mayor and Animal House, the one that.
Speaker 1: There's toilet paper scene, the cle next scene, the one
exactly the cleanic scene.
Speaker 3: She was dating Brian Doyle Murray at the time. They
were writing Caddyshack, and so they said, well, hey, we
want you in Caddyshack. And there was some discussion of
whether or not she was going to play Maggie or
Lacey underall, so she decided, well, I don't really want
to play the hot girl. I'll play Maggie. Good choice.
So to prepare herself just for.
Speaker 1: The people who can't see my face, I'm bugging my
eyes out. A good choice. But you keep on going.
Speaker 3: I mean her playing the hot girl.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, that was not it either, a
little bit of.
Speaker 3: A stretch there. Yeah, But they wanted her to play
this Irish Catholic foreign exchange student who comes over and
works at the golf course. And so in order to
prepare her for the role, she and Brian Doyle went
to Ireland and she came back with the world's worst
Irish accent.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I can't believe you spend that long there and
this is what you come back with.
Speaker 3: That's why you get these memorable lines like oh yeah,
what pays for nothing?
Speaker 1: So Brian Doyle Murray's story is mostly about the caddies,
hence the name Caddy Shack. He and his brothers, like
you said, had grown up caddying because they had grown
up in a nicer neighborhood. But they had to kind
of earn their own way in the Jesuit school that
they went to, and so they would caddy and Bill
Murray was a ball shagger whenever he first started out,
and that's the way that they made money so that
they could live the lifestyle that their parents wanted them
to be a part of. Right.
Speaker 3: Bill Murray actually drove the cart that picked up the
golf balls, and people would try to drill him with
their with their shots.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about half to gil On, Okay, Happy
Happy Gilmore, of course, is a movie that doesn't take
place until sixteen years later. But the guys who write
it are guys who love Caddyshack. Yeah, I mean, it
is well noted that they wrote this movie thinking of
Caddyshack and like, we want to make a golf movie
of our own, And so those guys were Adam Sandler
and his college roommate Tim Hurley. Now they had been
roommates together, and then Adam went on to do some
TV stuff. He was the stud boy on Removal Control. Yeah,
and he was also one of Theo's friends on The
Cosby Show. He was schmidty WHOA, I don't remember that? Yep, yeah,
And so he had he was getting in front of
the camera a little bit. While Tim Hurley went to
law school. He joined a law firm and Adam Sandler
is calling him up saying, Hey, I'm doing all these
stand up things, can you help me out? And so
they start writing stand up routines together. He stays late
at the law firm and works up comedy bits instead
of working on briefs and motions. I guess Adam Sandler
gets on as a writer for SNL. He brings Tim
on as a writer for SNL. And I could say
I would in my early years of law firm work
if someone had said would you like to go be
a writer for SNL, I've been like see you later, yes, sir. Yeah.
So Adam Sandler, David Spade, Chris Farley all become like
the key ingredients in this New Saturday Night Live and
maybe we should talk a little bit about that first.
So after you hit nineteen eighty, there was a complete
cast change and Saturday Night Live went through what can
only be described as some growing pains. What can you
tell us on that one happened?
Speaker 2: I mean you said Lauren's gone at a certain point,
like Dick Ebersol's in The people who are joining the
cast are people who eventually become Mega's celebrities, like Robert
Downey Junior, Joan Cusack, Randy Quaid, Anthony Michael Hall. This
is a bad SNL cast in the mid eighties. I'm
not talking about like, oh, the iconic forgotten years, like no,
really bad television. Yeah, Lauren is back eventually. I mean luckily,
as you know learn didn't stay gone for long. But
I mean it goes from like the iconic SNL cast
of the of the mid to late seventies into like
Billy Crystal, Christopher Guest, older people trying to you know,
prop it up. Eddie Murphy shows up, tears the show down,
and when it comes back it's like non comedian celebrities.
And so by the late eighties they really have to regroup.
You've got that love. It's Phil Harmon, Dana Carvey, Jan Hooks,
Door Dunn, Victoria Jackson Corps leading directly. I love them.
And they always say that your faceavorite cast is the
one you grew up with, and I think that's true
for me, because I still do love Farrell, you know,
fa Fallon, all those folks, Tracy Morgan. But I grew
up on the Comedy Central reruns more than I grew
up on the live broadcast in like the mid to
late nineties. So the first cast I ever watched was
all these dudes Spade, Farley, Sandler, and then the people
a little bit before them, you know, Hartman, Carvey, the Holdovers,
and and Hook's done. Who are at Jan Hooks? I
pray at the altar of Jan Hooks. He's incredible.
Speaker 1: So before I go there, Adam Sandler was in a
movie in nineteen eighty nine. You guys know about this, just.
Speaker 3: That movie where he's like got an inter tube around
his waist.
Speaker 1: And yeah, Adam Sandler's first movie was actually in nineteen
eighty nine, before he really becomes a player on S
and L. Now the cast includes him, obviously. You've also
got Billy Bob Thornton. You've got Billy Zane. You got
Bert Young from the Rocky Movies. You're thinking, Wow, this
movie you'll probably do pretty well. I am dB rating
one point eight. I have never seen a rating below
two in my life. It is it is on their
worst one hundred rated movies of all time.
Speaker 3: That Wow.
Speaker 1: Saandlor's first movie.
Speaker 3: Out of curiosity? What is Caddy Shack too rated? Okay,
I'll check it out, because for me, that may be
the worst movie of the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 1: Caddy Shack two got a three point eight, a full
two points higher and going overboard.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So the main executives at NBC did not really like
Saturday Night Live, despite the fact that it was kind
of back in its second well maybe third heyday. You've
got original cast, you've got Eddie Murphy, and then you've
got the guys that we just talked about, and so
there was this kind of mystery that happens. They're two
biggest guys, Sandler and Chris Farley. They get canned, they
get fired from Saturday Night Live. And it wasn't really
it wasn't. They weren't sure what was going on. People
just knew they weren't there anymore. But Adam Sandler later
on talks about it and he's like, yeah, we got
we get fired.
Speaker 3: I had no clue about that. What can you tell
us about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Fired, And like they outlasted everybody too. So it
was like there was a season when it was Sandler
and Farley on an Island with like Janine Garofolo and
Michael McKeon once again snl bringing in like a fifty
year old genius comedian but to be a cast member
like ten years after spinal tap, Like why there's there's
a legendary episode that season hosted by Dion Sanders where
Farley is a completely phoning it in and b like
comes out of an alien spaceship with his clothes falling off,
like he's hands.
Speaker 4: Captain Armstrong probably didn't do a thorough search.
Speaker 2: Let me go in there because I got a hand
to ran to get some pot and it's just like
a famous train wreck of a sketch. And yeah, at
the end of a season where I guess Sandler and
Farley were supposed to be the bridge, they just get
unceremoniously let go.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So this is kind of a pivotal moment and fortunately
he and Tim Harley have been working on a script
for this show called Billy Madison.
Speaker 2: I Am the Smartest Man a lot.
Speaker 3: Billy Madison's released what ninety five.
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of the You're gonna inherit this,
but only if you can get through high school. It
turns out he needs to go actually back to kindergarten
and go through every single grade in order to make
it through high school. But the movie is a sleeper success,
like it's huge, and so that allows Adam and Tim
to start working on a second movie now. Also, at
this time, you've got Chris Farley coming out with movies
as well, and these movies are actually in competition with
each other. Lauren Michaels is doing the Chris Farley movies,
but he's not doing the Adam Sandler movies. And so
this has become kind of a big deal because whenever
Happy Gilmore comes out, Black Sheep is out and doing
really well. Also still out at that time was Braveheart
and Toy Story and Happy Gilmore on It's We Can
Release managed to be the number two movie. So they
have directing the movie a guy named Dennis Dugan. Probably
most people in the world won't be able to say
much about him because he's not a guy that you
see a lot, except with Adam Sandler movies. But I
will tell you where Jason and I will have known him,
and I think I'm gonna blow your mind right here.
Do you know what Private Investigator show from the eighties,
He had a substantial part in a few of the episodes,
which once again Moonlighting. Yes, yes, Now do you know
who he was in the Moonlighting episode? Seeml Shepherd's dad
husband she on the episode where she gets married. I mean,
it was a big deal at the time with Moonlighting
because there were all these rumors about what was going
on with her, and then you had the love hate
relationship on the show between Maddie and Dave, and so
he's the guy she ends up marrying. Wow, Okay, And
then here's the twist when they end up canceling the
show and they're doing their very last episode, like I
know if you remember the last episode, but it's like
a regular episode, and then all of a sudden, it's
like this twisted reality where they go back and people
are taking down the set to the show where they're like,
what's going on and he's the guy who's the director,
Like he's killing the show off basically as the director
as also the guy who was her jilted husband.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that guy is the guy who directed Happy Gilmore.
You will know him from the movie Happy gilm More
because he plays Doug. Doug that's right, the course, the
PGA guy in charge of the game. Yeah, the guy
in charge.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes, he's the guy who at the end says, you
gotta play where it lies.
Speaker 1: Right. So for a guy that we've never heard of,
and he gets this movie with these guys who have
had this huge success, you have to go, how did
he get this movie right? Well, he had tried to
cast Adam Sandler in another movie that he was doing.
He had directs some shows, nothing particularly successful, but Adam
had tried out. He's like, I want that guy, and
the studio said, uh no, star power, We're not gonna
let you have him. Well, when Adam Sandler is looking
for a director of Happy Gilmore, he comes in, He's like,
I'd love to direct. He goes, you're that guy who
wanted to give me the part. Say no more, You've
got the job. Nice, and he is going on to
direct so many he's.
Speaker 3: Done, like you Jack and Jill, and he's done a
bunch of others Sandlers. He's like Sandler's guy.
Speaker 1: Sandler's director guy. Yeah, and how how great a job
would that be to be Sam Sandler's director guy.
Speaker 3: His pictures have made over a billion dollars. It's crazy
he's rioting Adam Sandler. But that's a pretty sweet gig. Yeah,
I take that.
Speaker 2: All the Sandler all the Sandler movies now are like,
uh yeah, me and my best friends go to Hawaii.
Like I would do that too if I were a
per personal director. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, So so sidebar, have you seen uncut Gems?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Have you seen uncut Jims?
Speaker 2: The last movie I saw in theaters?
Speaker 1: Really? Wow?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: Okay, so did you enjoy it?
Speaker 2: I did. I was stressed out for the entire final
hour or so. Yeah. I thought it was a virtuoso performance.
I thought it was a Sandler we've ever seen before,
and definitely Kevin Garnett I've rarely seen either.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I watched the first thirty minutes and I was like,
I think I have better things to do with my
life than this, So you're.
Speaker 2: Probably not wrong. I can visualize a world in which
I didn't see the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I may go back and try it again. Okay, I
feel like it had a lot of potential that from
what I saw.
Speaker 3: But anyway, hey, I got something real quick. I just
want to throw it in while we're plowing through all
this stuff. The love interest in Billy Madison, Yeah, her
name is Veronica Vaughn. The love interest in The Water Boy,
her name is Vicky Valancourt. The love interest in Happy Gilmore,
her name is Virginia Thennett. The love interest in Batman
eighty nine is Vicky fail.
Speaker 2: There you go. I don't interested as what Cams is.
Speaker 3: So he had something going on with the double v's.
It's like like a comic book hero or something like. Anyway,
I just noticed that. I want to throw it out there.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's go back to.
Speaker 3: Casting on Caddyshack. Nick tell me, Okay, so when they're
putting this movie together, they need a star. So Doug
Kenny and Harold Ramis are looking for a star. The
studio says, how about chevy Chase. They go talk to
chevy Chase. Chevy Chase says, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he had just gotten nominated for his work
in Foul Play which is a movie with Goldie holy Hunt.
Speaker 3: I love that movie. So once they had Chevy Chase
on board, they know they've got a movie now, right,
So they were looking to fill this cast of characters.
They knew they wanted Sarah Holcom to play Maggie Maggie
o'hula hen. So they're out to cast for Danny Noonan.
So they go and and who do they talk to first?
The person that they want first Mickey Rourke, the guy
who will be the definition of cool and like Rumblefish,
who's Whiplash and Iron Man two and has been in
a whole bunch of other movies nine and a half weeks,
Angel Hart, the wrestler, great actor, kind of like what
you were talking about with Robert Downey Jr. And Anthony
Michael Hall. He's a good actor, but is he is
he really a comediate person for Caddyshack? So anyway, they
hire Michael O'Keefe. Then the person that they want next
for Al Shirvek, they wanted Don Rickles. Don Rickles flash
back to our Canniball run episode. He was almost hired
to be Fenderbaum.
Speaker 1: Yes, but didn't do it because he was competing.
Speaker 3: With dumb DeLuise. They couldn't stand each other, so he's like,
I'm out. At the time, Rodney Dangerfield had done a
couple of guest hosts on The Tonight Show, and he
was just killing it on The Tonight Show age.
Speaker 1: I want two girls at once, you know, and if
I fall astep, they got each other to talk to you,
what do we do?
Speaker 3: I assume you're through back in a minute. And they
had seen him and they thought, man, this guy's really
funny and he could be brash and crude but still
be likable and funny. So they took a shot on
Rodney Daingerfield and he is one of the key elements
to the success of Cadischeck.
Speaker 1: So with Rodney Dangerfield, this is interesting. Everybody talks about
this being his first movie, but he was actually in
a Kubrick movie. What he was in a Kubrick movie,
And it's a Kubrick movie that most people haven't heard of,
called The Killing. It's the one they're wearing clown the
bank robbers. They're wearing clown masks. It's one of Kubrick's
earliest movies, one that's not very kubrick esque, so to speak,
but one that's kind of become a classic. But Rodney
Dangerfield can be seen at a racing track, at the
bar looking at a paper. He was just an extra
in this movie. So I'm going to give a shout
out real quick to a podcast that I've been listening
to called a Film Buy Dot Dot Dot. Yeah, and
these are guys that they look at movie by world
class directors that are not their best known movies.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They had one out today on the Killing and I'm
listening to it. I'm like, oh, there's a bit of
trivia about Rodney Dangerfield that I can use. So shout
out to Jeff Johnson, the guys, and one of our
Patreon guys does a side project with them where they
look at movies from nineteen eighty six day Dayton Johnson yep,
looks at those. But to check out that podcast, those
guys are awesome, really great stuff that they do with it.
Speaker 3: Okay, and so now they've got Chevy Chase, now they've
got Rodney Dangerfield. They go after Ted Knight, who was
famous from the Mary Tyler Moore Show. He agrees to
do it. He's going to play the stuffy, old, rich
white guy at the golf course. And he is awesome,
really the cornerstone of the movie. If he doesn't portray
the snobbish judge smells, it just doesn't really work.
Speaker 4: I've sent his boys younger than News of the Gas Chamber.
Speaker 1: Didn't want to do it.
Speaker 4: I owed it to them.
Speaker 1: Okay, here's Ted Knight's old bit that I'm wondering if
many people know. And I'll give credit to Arlen Bullard
on this one. Okay, Okay, I'm going to say the
line You're ready yes. Meanwhile, at the Whole of Justice,
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: He was the voice on super Friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was the narrator for super Friends and super
Boy and all kinds of other DC animated shows. I
had no idea, Arlen. It was like, meanwhile, at the
Whole of Justice, get the Hall of Justice. It's is
that him?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 1: Dead night Wow.
Speaker 3: And then, of course the last piece of the puzzle.
Ryan Doyle Murray wants his brother Bill Murray, who was
Hot Office Saturday Night Live. He was actually out in
California shooting a movie. He had just wrapped, a movie
called Where the Buffalo's Roam?
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is Hunter S. Thompson right, Yep.
Speaker 3: He had to get back to Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 1: Last season of the original cast.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, and they're like, hey, you're traveling from California
to New York. He had to return Lord and Michael's car,
and so they're like, why don't you swing by Florida
just you know, on the way for six days? They
had it for six days, six days, and come play
Carl Spackler, who is just the greenskeeper. The script had
no lines for him, none, not one line.
Speaker 1: And it was just Bill does his bit.
Speaker 3: Harol rim has kind of had an envision like a
Harpo Marx type of thing where he maybe even didn't speak.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: He just kind of chased to go for around.
Speaker 1: You know. That's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean spoiler alert. He he does speak, and
he takes over the movie. He establishes himself in like
the first five seconds of being on camera as someone
who's gimmick is being sexually attracted to old women or
all women. I couldn't I honestly couldn't tell. And I
sort of was like, put a pin in that, see
if it develops later. Nope, not really, He's attracted to
old women throughout the entirety of the film. I mean
he delivered. I don't know. I mean, you were right
in saying that Ted Knight holds this entire thing together.
But I'm a Murray over Chase guy, and I'm not
sure if that's gonna come up at any point. But
I had more fun watching Murray do his oddball thing here.
And the first scene they've ever shared together outside of
SNL and in a movie. Is that scene in the
mind if I play through right right, Yeah, yes, And
you can almost tell it's it is almost like Chevy
Chase and Bill Murray sizing each other up as human beings,
not as character.
Speaker 3: Yeah. They were really nervous about shooting that scene. Let's
go ahead and jump into that scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure.
Speaker 3: So this was, you know, the studio after they had
been sitting back dailies, they said, hey, your two big
stars are not in anything together.
Speaker 1: Right they had Bill Murray was already gone at this point.
He had done his six days and was gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so they're like, well, you got to figure
this out. You got to you gotta come up with something.
And so everybody's like, oh, boy, Bill Murray and Chevy
Chase can't stand to be in the same room together,
you know how are we going to do this? And
so held Ramis said, all right, you know, Bill Chevy,
let's all sit around and let's let's sit down and
let's write something. And so they came up with just
an outline basically of Ty Webb hits the golf ball
into Carl Shack and they talk a bit and then
he leaves.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Everything else is in pro right.
Speaker 4: This is registered Carl Spegler Bench. Oh yeah, I felt
grass like this before. I've played on this.
Speaker 1: This is a hybrid.
Speaker 4: This is across bluegrass, Kentucky bluegrass Feederbent bench and northern
California sens a MEA amazing stuff about this is that
you can play thirty six holes on it in the afternoon,
take it home, and just get stoned in a but
Jesus belt that night on this stuff.
Speaker 1: So it's important that improv part of things is really
important for this movie and understanding the way that it goes.
You know, we talked about Second City. These guys are
all improvisational actors, and Harold Ramis was one of the
key guys that came from Second City and he's the
director and so so much of this movie he would
just go okay, here's the situation and go And so
it was a bunch of yes and and people improving
it out. And that's actually what you end up with
in the movie. And we'll get into it more later on.
But the original script was not at all the movie
that we ended up with.
Speaker 2: Right right. I feel like you can tell that though
from the Dangerfield stuff, like they let him Go. There's
one that I wrote down that, like, I was like,
all on the rewatch, I was like, all right, let's
let's stay tuned a Dangerfields one liners like they're iconic,
he's well known for them, They're legendary. What does buy
a hat like this? You get a free bowl of
soup mean? That's supposed to mean something to me? Like
am I? Am I the wrong generation? Like I feel
like he was on ninety percent of the time and
then ten percent. It's like, can we just can we
cut that? No, we can't wet No, that's funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of the most memorable lines from the movie.
It's hysterical and and yeah, I think it probably is
like a throwback, like we can't get rid of this hat,
so let's give away a free bowl of soup so
that somebody will take.
Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense to me. Never got it, never
got it.
Speaker 3: So there's there's something funny about that scene you're talking
about right there. Hal Raimus was like, you know, writing
Dangerfield was around this wall and the other side of
this wall.
Speaker 1: This his first seat, first scene. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's his first scene on screen as a movie
person at all. And so Harold Remis is like, all right, Rodney,
you're ready, Yeah, I'm ready. Okay, ready action. Nothing happens,
Like Ronnie doesn't come around the wall, and so he's like,
all right, cut, cut, cut, hey, Ronnie you okay, Yeah,
I'm good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 3: He's like, all right, ready action. Nothing happens. So he's like, Ronnie,
what's going on? Every time I say action, you're not moving?
He's like, oh, you mean do my bit. He's like yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,
got it. So ready Rodney, do your bit and he
bursts out and it comes in like a hurricane. Right,
And for the rest of the movie, anytime he wanted
Ronnie to do something, it was running to your bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he thought he was doing it wrong. Like
he would start, he would start his performance, he would
go through his bit and then they'd like, Okay, let's
do it again, and like he starts pouring beads of sweat.
You know, he's just like and so one of the caddies,
I can't remember, the good looking caddy. What was his name,
the Nunzio. Yeah, so the actor who played the Denunzio,
it's like, you came, man, and he He's like, I'm
bombing out here, I'm bombing. Nobody's laughing. He's like, no, no, man,
it's a movie. If they laugh, they can't use the take.
It's not because you're not funny. It's because we're not
supposed to laugh.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So they really had to coach him up on
how movies work. They can't laugh even though you are funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he wanted to laugh real bad. Definitely.
Speaker 3: At first, they haven't even mentioned people who like the
guy who plays Spalding.
Speaker 4: I want a hamburger, no cheat, I want a hot dog,
I want a milkshake.
Speaker 3: I want nothing like it. The only lady who plays
Missus smells is hilarious in this movie.
Speaker 1: Can you loose from my Stretcher?
Speaker 3: You two looked like a couple of boobies. The guy
who plays smoke Porterhouse, the guy who is iasic. Should
we talk about the names real quick?
Speaker 1: Go ahead?
Speaker 3: So I mean you got You've got out serving Shuvik's right,
and you got you know, Cindy Morgan, who's the hot niece,
Lacy under Lacy under all. She has a certain zest
for life. You have doctor Beeper.
Speaker 1: They weren't particularly creative with their names. It was more like,
let's describe the character and move on. Yes, all right,
so let's talk about casting for Happy Gum.
Speaker 2: It's okay.
Speaker 3: You know who they wanted for Adam Sandler's part. I'm
gonna go with Adams Adam Sandler the whole time. Yeah,
so he was the main guy. Obviously, he's the right
of the movie, so he was going to get the
main part. The whole plot of the movie is hockey
player who plays.
Speaker 1: Golf right and then needs to win his house back
for his grandmother who raised him.
Speaker 3: Yes, they were looking for a person to play his
foil right, the.
Speaker 1: Bad guy, the bad guy.
Speaker 3: Shooter McGavin is the guy's name. So they looked at
Bruce Campbell from the Evil Dead movies. The audition for
the part, and I heard that Kevin Costner was actually considered.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I had heard that too, But Christopher McDonald
and Adam Sandler did an interview with Dan Patrick just
like a month or two ago, and when Dan Patrick
brought that up, Adam Sandler was like, no, I don't
think so. I don't think we ever offered the part
to him. I think Chris was our guy the whole time. Now,
he may have just been saying that because Chris is
sitting right next to him, but he the way he
told it, he was like, I'd seen this movie called
Thelma and Louise and there was this super hot guy
in it and his name was Christopher McDonald. And so
Christopher McDonald was filming Quiz Show nearby where they had
been putting the movie together for Happy Gilmore and Dennis
Dugan goes to find him in his hotel. They meet
in the lobby and he proposes the part to him.
But Christopher McDonald had been doing these kind of bad
guys so much that he didn't want to do another
bad guy until he read the script and he's like,
I want to meet Adam Sandler. They go and talk.
In his one reading with Adam Sandler, he's like I'm in.
I'm doing it.
Speaker 3: He did a great job. Any comments on that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, is he? I was just gonna say, is to you?
Is Christopher McDonald of that guy? Or is he Shooter McGavin.
Speaker 3: He's Shooter McGavin.
Speaker 2: I think that's right. Yeah, he's so. He's so good
in this I love the people that live their lives
as the iconic characters they played, like twenty five years ago.
I love when he shows up as Shooter McGavin on
Twitter still to this day, like doing an anniversary vidity
you're happy Gilmour, or like, I guarantee if you asked
him to do anything for you as Shooter McGavin, he would,
like I love. I love how much he embodies it,
and I can't imagine a better villain for this movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So there's a service called cameo dot com where
you can get, you know, like stars to leave a
message for somebody on their birthday. On his it doesn't
say Christopher McDonald, it says Shooter MCGAFV nice, like he
really has taken on that persona. It's great because he
goes and does charity golf bits and earns money for charities.
He's living the dream man, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Was finger guns him or was finger gun society? Like
who did it first?
Speaker 3: I think it's him, man, I think you can a
lot to him on that.
Speaker 1: Who is the guy who would do the sword bit?
Because there was a guy back in the late eighties
who whenever he Rodriguez, when he was done, he'd do
his a little sword bit like a chee chee. And yeah,
I think that was Christopher's idea as kind of a
homage to that deal. It goes in it's.
Speaker 2: Home home, if you want to go to your home.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about Julie Bowen for a second.
Speaker 1: Okay, Julie Bowen. I saw this movie. I'm like, man,
that she's beautiful. How why did I see her anything else? Well?
I did. She's in modern family. She's like one of
the main she's one of the main wife, like the
mom or something. Yeah, she's the mom, the wife, not
Sophia Varga, but the other one. And I didn't realize
that that was the same girl. She looks different to me,
like I don't. I don't think she's had work done.
I think she just she was so much younger than that.
She just she's still very beautiful, but just a different
looking lady.
Speaker 3: Now because she's not wearing the stockings and garters.
Speaker 1: I wasn't looking at that.
Speaker 2: One of my colleges distinguished alumni, Julie.
Speaker 3: Bowen, really out of town.
Speaker 1: Where did you go to school?
Speaker 2: Brown University?
Speaker 1: Nice?
Speaker 2: We have Julie Bowen, we got Laura Lennie, and we
got one of the guys from Heroes. That's the acting
departments like trifecta. Oh, John Krasinsky, Sorry, we've.
Speaker 1: Got We've got Ed Harris, and we have the guy
who played Lenny on La Law or Benny what was
the special needs guy on La Law? That big giant.
He was also in a really creepy episode of Tales
from the Crypt where he played I think a demented
Santa Claus. That was he was an no you guy?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: James Garner too, Yeah, yeah, okay, Carl Weathers plays Chubbs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Carl's apollo Creed Weathers. Yeah, Carl action Jackson Weathers.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay, let's talk about that he loses his hand
fighting an alligator while looking for his ball in Happy Gilmore.
That it happens prior to us meeting him. Yeah, that
same arm gets blown off in Predator. Yeah, coincidence, same universe.
I think not Chubbs was actually a soldier of fortune
who fought aliens.
Speaker 1: Well, and you know he talks to him, He's like
you big guy, Like you should be a football player
or something like that. Carl Weathers was actually a professional
football player.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, His best acting role ever is when he
loses to Sylvester Stallone in his Sprint and Rocky three.
Oh it's the worst, Okay, I have a little happy dances.
Comedic Kyle Weathers is great in this movie. He uh
he's on Mandalorian now.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I forgot about that. That's yeah, a.
Speaker 3: Little wider he he is little water hair right.
Speaker 1: Right, yes, yes, well that's as far as we need
to go on that job.
Speaker 2: I would rank that. I would rank The Wooden Hand
as like one of the five best like large scale
comedy movie bits of all time. Is funny. Every time
you know it's coming, it's still funny. Also, before i'd
seen this movie in college, my roommates and I nicknamed
and I apologize in advance, we nicknamed the line cook
Chubbs Peterson. He was a little overweight and I just
thought it was a funny nickname that we'd come up
with ourselves. And then I saw this movie. I was like, oh,
we've never done anything original in our lives from famous person.
Speaker 1: In this movie, he's very much coaching, like Apollo Creed
coaches Rocky and Rocky three. Yes, I just there were
just moments throughout that I was like Apollo Creed. And
then you have the spectacular moment where Happy thinks he's
given him a gift because he finds the crocodile that
took his ball right, yes, took his hand, yes, and
then he gives it to him and it freaks him
out so badly that he falls out the window.
Speaker 3: And yes, most ridiculous death, but yes, he falls out
the window. And then his like force ghosts shows up
the rest of the movie to cheer on Happy. You know,
the Obi wan Kenobe.
Speaker 1: It is a fantastic mentor to have in a movie
because it lays all of those old eighties movies that
we love.
Speaker 2: When this movie with a death too, I don't know
how you could be shocked by Carl Weather's death. The
first thing you see is a death.
Speaker 3: His dad gets hit with the hockey pop right.
Speaker 2: Yes, stop it to buy a hockey pop.
Speaker 1: This moment of pure joy ending in tragedy. Okay, so
Tuesday's gone. If you were like the list of songs
to start a comedy movie with, I would be like,
you have to take this off the list. There's no
way you're going to start a comedy movie with Tuesdays Gone.
It's sad and depressing, but turning everything into a phallic
and humping things. During the home video style introduction, I
forget what music is playing. That's brilliant.
Speaker 3: Just a couple other notable people that are in the movie.
We talked a little bit about Francis Bay as Grandma Gilmore.
You've got Richard Keel, who played Jaws in the James
Bond movies.
Speaker 2: Shooting.
Speaker 3: McGavin has to hit a shot off his foot at
one point in the movie, and he's still a big
tough guy. Lee Trevino plays himself. He's a professional golfer.
Speaker 1: No lines though, well he's got one line.
Speaker 3: Yay, he does. He's like Grizzly Adams didn't have a beer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, got exactly one that you would rather have exactly
one line and have it be great.
Speaker 3: You also had I want to mention this guy real quick,
Jared Don Schnellenberg. He's the kid caddy in his first tournament.
So this little blonde kids was a little goofy teenager.
Speaker 1: So did you watch the Masters?
Speaker 3: I watched some of the Masters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so adam, you watched the Masters a little bit? Right?
Do you know the stuff that went on about happy
Gilmore during the Masters?
Speaker 2: Let me pull up this Sandler tweet to make sure
that I get it right. I'm glad that you mentioned
the blonde boy himself, because who anticipated of all the
people from Habby Gilmore to become relevant this week all weeks?
Will Zala Tauris is the golfer's name. He was moderately
close to taking over the lead from Matsiyama. Didn't take it,
but he looked the flippy blonde hair. He didn't look
dissimilar from an older version of this blonde caddy and
Sandler screen grabbed photo Xala Taurus's hair going nuts side by,
sided it with the caddy and tweeted, have fun today,
young man, and mister Gilmore is watching you and very proud.
Speaker 3: Oh that is awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty cool. Couldn't pull home the victory, but he
was He was closer than I think anybody really expected.
And yeah, and I think the actor, the actor who
played him in real life is some sort of like
adjunct math professor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like yeah PhDs and pretty notable guy, I
guess out in the academic world.
Speaker 2: Wow, because the backlash to the look alike was like, Okay,
we all had fun with our lookalike, but did everybody
know that that actor is now like got a van
Dyke beard and it's some sort of like professor and
a larned man.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: It was a great it was a great news cycle
of like, oh I remember that guy. Oh cool, all right, goodbye.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine like your entire life changes over the
course of twenty five years and then suddenly randomly you're
famous again for being the door kid in a movie.
Speaker 3: Well, the kid from Weird Science, like not Anthony and
Michael Hall, the other kid Wyatt. Yeah, he's like a
professor at Texas A.
Speaker 1: And m Yeah, the guy the kid who's in What
About Bob is a law professor. It's like really well yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Piece and quiet. Yes, wow, all right. And so also
we've got Burne Lunquist, We've got Bob Barker, who has
made the funniest scene in the entire movie. All right,
let's go.
Speaker 2: Do like that old man. You want a piece of me,
I don't want a.
Speaker 1: Piece of you.
Speaker 2: I want the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I'm telling you. If we were talking about Bill
Murray and what he means to Caddy Shack, when you
say Caddy Shack, I think Bill Murray. When you say
happy Gilmour, I think Bob Barker. Because that scene is
the funniest bit in the movie. And it's a funny,
funny movie. But I love and I love the story
that goes along with it. Because Bob Barker gets on
set and they've got a stunt double for him for
all of the fight scenes, and he's like, who's this guy,
and like, oh, this is your stunt double. Whenever we
have you know, the punches and stuff, you know, we'll
put him in there. And he's like, I'm not going
to do this if you get a stunt double for me.
Like what he goes, I'm a black belt, I have
trained with Chuck Norris. I am going to do my
own fight scenes. And they're like, oh, all right then,
and he was awesome.
Speaker 3: He was awesome.
Speaker 2: I want to give I mean, well, yeah, okay, who
I can't positively say enough about Bob Barker, but I'll
let the moment speak for itself. I do want to
give a special shout out to We're talking about Second
City Earlier. Another sc alum SCTV was sort of their
spin off show in Canada, launched the careers of John Candy,
Catherine O'Hara, Eugene Levy, all these gods of comedy. Yeah, Rick,
Joe Flaherty, Rick Moranis and Joe Flaherty, who plays the
Heckler who is shooters like assistant who knocks Happy off
his game iconically is iconically good in this movie. And
he's he's like the dad and freaks and geeks. He
didn't get quite as much run as the other folks
from SETV, but he's funny every time he shows up anywhere.
And I was delighted to see him in this Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was great. He was great.
Speaker 3: Last person I want to mention Ben Stiller.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uncredited.
Speaker 3: I guess he and Adam Sandler were buddies and Adam said, hey,
you want to come be in my movie. And he's
like the guy in charge of the Old People's Home,
and he's a real jerk.
Speaker 1: And and a great part. It's a great part. I
don't understand why he didn't take credit for it. And
this is before there's something about Mary, so he had
not hit it big, big yet.
Speaker 3: He had done what reality by two episodes of the
Ben Stiller Show.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, failed failed SNL cast member Ben Stiller, Right.
Speaker 1: That's right. I'd forgotten about it.
Speaker 3: I did not remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a great he had a great deal
that he did on the Color of Money where he
was imitating Tom Cruise. He has a really spot on
Tom Cruise impression. But before we leave cast of Happy Gilmour,
there's one more that I got to mention. Okay, the
I R S guy. At the beginning, the guy's like,
I'm not taking your grandmother's stuff. I'm just not taking this,
not taking his home to my house. Okay. So that
guy is named Robert Smiegel. Okay, He's been in a
ton of comedy writing troops. He's written for Saturday Night Live,
he's written for Adam Sandler. But he is also the
puppeteer and the voice of Triumph.
Speaker 2: Triumph, The Insult comic dog.
Speaker 1: There. Here you go, Triumph the insult comedy dog for me.
Speaker 4: To poop on.
Speaker 3: That's the guy.
Speaker 1: That's the guy. Yeah, it's that that the guy who
gets thrown through the window in Happy Gilmore is Triumph
the insult comedy Dog.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: He ran the uh he ran the cartoon department at
SNL for like a decade too. He did a TV
fun house. Yeah, he was a writer at SNL forever
with Sandler and Hurley. He and Sandler's character, the Hurly
he Boy is named after it. Tim Hurley. But Smigle
was Smigle is one of those guys and he Yeah,
he did the cartoons for like fifteen years. After all
these people left the cast, he was working with them forever.
Speaker 3: That was fantastic.
Speaker 1: Good. Okay, so that does it for cast. Come back
next week where we will go into production of both
of these movies and get some really hysterical stories.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The stories that we're going to tell next week
are really kind of the heart of this episode. Cadyshak
versus Happy to gil More. Finally, Judgment next week.
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Speaker 2: Cut that up.