Speaker 1: Oh bed Desar, Hello and welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: I'm Jacob.
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Speaker 2: aliens that are very well known within the alien and
Speaker 2: UFO culture. Jacob, have you seen these these kinds of
Speaker 2: this picture or these creatures before.
Speaker 4: I've seen pictures and things. This looked very similar to these.
Speaker 4: I don't know I've ever actually seen these specifically, but yeah,
Speaker 4: the the voldemort looking nose, the big black eyes, the
Speaker 4: bulbous heads, the like slender jaw lines. This is kind
Speaker 4: of an iconic look of what most people think of
Speaker 4: when we talk about aliens ets things like that. This
Speaker 4: is one of like five archetypes, these iconic images that
Speaker 4: will come to mind for sure.
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Speaker 2: that have already done so. But I did want to
Speaker 2: say this picture rate here is very well known within
Speaker 2: UFO pop culture, alien pop culture. This is the gray
Speaker 2: alien that most people think of and refer to of
Speaker 2: And this is from a guy very well known within
Speaker 2: the alien community. Whitley Streeber. Is what we're gonna be
Speaker 2: getting into today. This is unlike a lot of other
Speaker 2: UFO stories, but also similar to some other UFO stories
Speaker 2: and alien kind of stories, close encounters of the third kind,
Speaker 2: close encounters of the fourth kind. It's not so much
Speaker 2: the fifth kind that doctor Stephen Grew talks about.
Speaker 3: But this is like in person and so.
Speaker 4: What does that mean the third, fourth, and fifth kind fifth.
Speaker 4: I know that Richard Greer, he's out there in the
Speaker 4: in the desert and they take some sort of ainogenics
Speaker 4: and then they have an experience, and that's considered in
Speaker 4: a fifth kind.
Speaker 5: What is the third and fourth? Because I know there
Speaker 5: was a movie right.
Speaker 4: Of the third kind or something, and it's basically like
Speaker 4: you physically are either taking up on their ship or
Speaker 4: you have a physical exposure of some type.
Speaker 5: What's the fourth kind.
Speaker 2: I'm actually gonna look it up because I want to
Speaker 2: be able to describe it perfectly. I have a pretty
Speaker 2: good idea about what they are, so let's see. So yeah,
Speaker 2: because it's they're all very different, but it's still contact
Speaker 2: in one way or another. So, yeah, you have close
Speaker 2: encounters of the of the first kind. It says visual
Speaker 2: sightings of an unidentified flying object less than five hundred
Speaker 2: feet away that appear to be structured and demonstrate intelligent movement.
Speaker 3: So that's close.
Speaker 4: I've had one of those with that flying El Camino.
Speaker 4: I've done seen. That's a strange encounter of the first kind.
Speaker 3: Close encounter. Yeah, yeah, excuse.
Speaker 5: Me, close encounter of the first kind.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: Then you have close encounters of the second kind, which
Speaker 2: which is a UFO event that leaves a physical effect
Speaker 2: on the environment or the witness. So an example would
Speaker 2: be burned or flattened vegetation, so crop circle kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Radio or car, electrical interference, imprints or marks on the ground,
Speaker 2: malfunctioning electronics, and animals reacting unusually. So that's a close
Speaker 2: encounter of the second kind. Close encounter of the third kind,
Speaker 2: which is the kind that this guy had. It's an
Speaker 2: encounter with visible beings in association with a UFO sighting. So,
Speaker 2: and then it talks about the types of beings that
Speaker 2: are reported with close encounters of the third kind, such
Speaker 2: as humanoid like so human like entities, grays like the
Speaker 2: little gray alien, small bodies, large head, black eyes, and
Speaker 2: some people talk about reptilians, Nordics and insectoids also as
Speaker 2: being a close encounter of the third kind.
Speaker 3: But then you have does a.
Speaker 4: Craft of some kind, you have visual confirmation of a
Speaker 4: living being associated with it.
Speaker 2: All I'm with you, yes, yeah, And then it says
Speaker 2: that there are sub categories originally proposed by researcher Ted Bloker.
Speaker 3: I think it's how you say his name. So you
Speaker 3: have type type A all the way through type G.
Speaker 2: But basically type A is an entity scene outside of
Speaker 2: of outside the UFO. Type B is an entity scene
Speaker 2: inside the UFO through a window. Type C entity scene
Speaker 2: with no UFO present, but within context. Type D is
Speaker 2: communication with entity, whether it's be whether it's telepathy or speech.
Speaker 2: Type E, which is a contact and confrontation without sighting
Speaker 2: of the craft. Type F entity leaves the physical evidence,
Speaker 2: such as footprints or hair. Oh, who'd have thought aliens
Speaker 2: had hair? You know, you never hear about the hair
Speaker 2: of the aliens.
Speaker 5: I mean, most of.
Speaker 4: The aliens we hear about don't have hair. But at
Speaker 4: the same time, there is a school of thought. Now
Speaker 4: I don't personally believe this, but that being said to
Speaker 4: say that Sam squanch is a type of alien.
Speaker 3: So point, we don't know if a squanch is.
Speaker 4: An interdimensional tree being or an interdimensional planetary like, we
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 2: But all right, yeah, I mean, who's to say we've
Speaker 2: never seen a bigfoot to be able to say one
Speaker 2: way or another kind of thing? You can only just
Speaker 2: hear it from other people's stories. Type G the final one.
Speaker 2: It says entity performs a specific action toward the witness.
Speaker 2: So if you hear about like the weird, like the
Speaker 2: weird types of astral surgery that are put on by
Speaker 2: the mantis insectoids kind of stuff. So that's the the
Speaker 2: close encounters of the third kind, the Close Encounters of
Speaker 2: the fourth kind, which is a great show by the way,
Speaker 2: or I think it was a documentary or something like that.
Speaker 2: But so this would be an abduction or forced interaction
Speaker 2: involving a person and alien entities. The common features would
Speaker 2: be missing time, medical procedures, or implants. Oh, that might
Speaker 2: be what he also experienced. I think it's third and
Speaker 2: fourth and also conscious or unconscious recalls sometimes recovered via
Speaker 2: hypnosis and telepathic messages or memory downloads. So I believe
Speaker 2: that this is rate up the alley of Chris Bledsoe
Speaker 2: a lot of the things that he talks about. And
Speaker 2: then ultimately, finally you have the close encounters of the
Speaker 2: fifth kind, which is voluntary conscious communication or contact with
Speaker 2: alien intelligence. So this would be what Stephen Greer talks
Speaker 2: about and the technique.
Speaker 4: Richard ger earlier, I meant to say, Steven, not Gerabile boy.
Speaker 5: We talked about alien boy in my bad.
Speaker 3: We knew what you meant. We knew what you meant.
Speaker 2: But so that there are certain techniques to be able
Speaker 2: to have this kind of close encounter of the fifth kind,
Speaker 2: which I actually just talked about the other day on
Speaker 2: Meta Mysteries. We talked about summoning aliens. It would be
Speaker 2: through the CE five way, which would be through meditation
Speaker 2: and intention setting, a use of coherent thought sequences, okay,
Speaker 2: and group contact experience and field work. So human initiated contact,
Speaker 2: peaceful interaction. Damn, they have a sixth kind and a
Speaker 2: seventh kind. I've never heard of these.
Speaker 5: Well, let's fucking learn together, brother, I've never heard of this.
Speaker 3: Wow. Okay.
Speaker 2: So the sixth kind would be a UFO encounter that
Speaker 2: results in a death or injury to humans or animals. Oh,
Speaker 2: let's be like cattle mutilation.
Speaker 4: Okay, could be right, or one of these surgeries that
Speaker 4: goes awry, or if there are craft lands on top
Speaker 4: of a person.
Speaker 5: I could see all these being possibilities.
Speaker 2: The examples of the six kind would be burns, radiation, sickness,
Speaker 2: and mysterious death. Also alleged military incidents alleged.
Speaker 5: Funny how they just place that word right there.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's both known and unknown, you know, But.
Speaker 4: I mean that could be if like a fighter pilot
Speaker 4: sees something that he can't understand, and so he gets
Speaker 4: in to get a closer look at it, and for
Speaker 4: some reason feels like it's a threat or some shit.
Speaker 4: So the next thing, you know, the fire pilot gets
Speaker 4: the clearance to take a shot at this thing and
Speaker 4: then he gets his brain fry. That would be an
Speaker 4: encounter of the sixth kind. I could see that as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh yeah, well oh and then the seventh oh shit,
Speaker 2: so the close encounters of the seventh kind, and then
Speaker 2: it finally stops there. Oh my god, and it goes
Speaker 2: all the way to ten. We're not going to read
Speaker 2: all these fuck it yeah, learn it so much here, bro,
Speaker 2: let's go all right, So the close encounters of the
Speaker 2: seventh kind would be hybridization, involving the creation of a
Speaker 2: human alien hybrid being hold.
Speaker 4: Like an ovipositor, which is sex toy for that purpose.
Speaker 5: But like, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, the reports include sexual encounters or reproductive extraction.
Speaker 4: We have had a guest on the show that has
Speaker 4: claimed that this has happened to her.
Speaker 6: Yes you did.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: Also parental connection to hybrid children fucking alien chimeras, dude.
Speaker 2: It could be like your children from a past life
Speaker 2: or a pair of well life or some kind of shit.
Speaker 3: Maybe what the fuck?
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, so we're already getting into the mind
Speaker 4: blowing here. I mean, everything with aliens is considered mind blowing,
Speaker 4: and I get that, but straight up, could you imagine
Speaker 4: you and your wife you're chilling. Next thing, you know
Speaker 4: she's pregnant, and you know it ain't from you because
Speaker 4: you got snipped, but you also know that she ain't
Speaker 4: cheating on you, and then this baby comes out half gray.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I like immaculate conception kind of shit. No, dude,
Speaker 3: implanted by aliens is what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I know, immaculate.
Speaker 4: They they abducted her in your sleep and gave her one,
Speaker 4: put one in her.
Speaker 3: I don't tomato fucking tomato, all right?
Speaker 2: And then it says visions or interactions with hybrid offspring.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, could you fucking imagine that you see
Speaker 2: little You see a little gray alien who's calling you.
Speaker 3: Daddy, Daddy Jacob, Daddy, Jacob, I'm your son. Did you
Speaker 3: don't remember me? You forgot about me? How dare you? Dude?
Speaker 3: You gonna fucking shoot that thing?
Speaker 1: Boy?
Speaker 5: Don't you come at me with that evil Ricky, Bobby?
Speaker 3: Won't you put that evil on me? I don't know
Speaker 3: how i'd feel about that. I'd be like back Waite
Speaker 3: even get out of here.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I'll find out if it's
Speaker 4: bulletproof or not. We'll figure out the rest later.
Speaker 2: So oh okay, yeah, And this says so this close encounters
Speaker 2: of the seventh kind. It says it is common in
Speaker 2: Whitley Streeber's work.
Speaker 6: Day.
Speaker 3: This guy's just encompassing a lot of them here.
Speaker 4: The seventh kind is connected with Whitley Streep does he?
Speaker 7: All?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: Before we even get to let's read the rest of
Speaker 4: the ten and then we're gonna figure out this guy's story.
Speaker 4: Because I thought it was gonna be a third, maybe
Speaker 4: a fourth, something along those lines, maybe one of those
Speaker 4: subreddits of a letter designation. We're over here at the
Speaker 4: seventh meaning either a he was impregnated, or he impregnated
Speaker 4: an alien or his kid is half alien. I don't
Speaker 4: even know. I don't know yet. I'm excited to learn more.
Speaker 4: What's going on with number eight?
Speaker 2: I guess we're gonna find I mean, does he have
Speaker 2: a little hymn alien running around? Interdimensional? Could it be
Speaker 2: from another planet? That's the thing, dude, Like, I feel
Speaker 2: like a lot of this shit. And this is why
Speaker 2: I always say that I believe that the aliens are
Speaker 2: probably more likely interdimensional because it's like different realms of
Speaker 2: fucking thought in realms, and like, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: We're gonna keep on. It could be both. It very
Speaker 3: well could be both.
Speaker 2: So then you have optional fringe classifications, it says, and
Speaker 2: this is where we get into close encounters of the eighth, ninth,
Speaker 2: and tenth kind.
Speaker 3: So the close encounters of the eighth now we're getting fringe. Well,
Speaker 3: these otherything up.
Speaker 4: Until this point is seen as regular, regular type shit.
Speaker 4: Now we're getting into the fridge.
Speaker 3: That's why. Oh, I see why it's fringe.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So the close encounter of the eighth kind
Speaker 2: would be time manipulation or dimensional travel, being taken to
Speaker 2: other realms.
Speaker 3: There's no way to prove this, you know.
Speaker 2: Closing kount of the ninth kind would be integration or
Speaker 2: enlightenment experiences such as total ego death, divine contact, or
Speaker 2: merging with alien consciousness.
Speaker 3: See why that's an.
Speaker 5: Alien psychedelic trip.
Speaker 3: Well, no, I think that would be close encounters of
Speaker 3: the tenth kind.
Speaker 2: Here here we go, Oh, okay, close encounter or the
Speaker 2: tenth kind or ce x if we if we will
Speaker 2: contact with non physical interdimensional beings that manifest only in
Speaker 2: altered states, such as d MT realms or astral projections.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: Uh, Machino machine, I'm learning so much on this episode
Speaker 4: already we are less than ten minutes, or less than
Speaker 4: fifteen minutes, I should say, in and uh, I've never
Speaker 4: heard of most of these classifications.
Speaker 5: I'm glad we went through the list, though, I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, I.
Speaker 2: Hopkin it only went up to the fifth. I didn't
Speaker 2: know about the other five.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, So with all of this understood and
Speaker 4: out there, let's talk about our boy Whitley, and let's
Speaker 4: figure out what exactly his story is, which of these.
Speaker 5: Classifications he falls into. I'm fucking stoked man.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna read it to you almost like story mode.
Speaker 2: And then once we get through the story of his
Speaker 2: life and you know what he suggests he's gone through,
Speaker 2: then we'll get into some of his books that he wrote.
Speaker 2: So all of this happened, so he I believe he
Speaker 2: was a filmmaker before all of this. He was a
Speaker 2: really good storyteller, really good filmmaker. He was really into
Speaker 2: like the horror type of films, and he was like
Speaker 2: super into making those and then in nineteen eighty five
Speaker 2: all at all like changed big time. He got abducted
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty five. But we're I don't want to
Speaker 2: get ahead of ourselves here, We're going to get into
Speaker 2: where it begins. So communion is what he calls it,
Speaker 2: all right, And he wrote a book called can Union.
Speaker 3: There was actually a movie called Communion, Bro.
Speaker 2: And the guy that was playing Whitley Streeber in the
Speaker 2: movie is oh what is his name? Almost stab you
Speaker 2: in the face with a soudery iron Christopher Watkin, Christopher Walkin.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, okay.
Speaker 3: Young Christopher Walkin.
Speaker 2: That movie came out in like eighty eight, eighty nine
Speaker 2: something like I think it was eighty nine. Actually, wow,
Speaker 2: you can actually you can actually watch that movie for
Speaker 2: free on YouTube. I was watching like the first fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2: I was like, holy shit, this movie's free on here.
Speaker 2: It's pretty cool, no shit, all right, And you can
Speaker 2: tell like it's you can tell it's like like a
Speaker 2: an eighties movie, you know, like it's like dark and
Speaker 2: grungy and shitty quality video and stuff like it's still
Speaker 2: very mysterious. But you know, I was, I was kind
Speaker 2: of skimming through it and like looking at some of
Speaker 2: the like the props and the aliens and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and it's like, dude, you feel like, yeah, it's low budget.
Speaker 2: Like you feel like you're almost watching like ET, but
Speaker 2: like lower budget.
Speaker 3: Hey, you be careful now.
Speaker 4: ET was the one of Spielberg's greatest Although I'm fully
Speaker 4: with you one hundred percent. It's you could tell the
Speaker 4: movies that were kind of they're not indie, but they
Speaker 4: very well could have been classified as an indie film.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like, so I grew up watching Power Rangers.
Speaker 2: Power Rangers and Ninja Turtles was my shit growing up, right,
Speaker 2: and nowadays, like if you go back and watch all
Speaker 2: those old Power Rangers, you're like, did I fucking fall
Speaker 2: for this? Because this is the fakest shit I've ever seen?
Speaker 2: How How did I used to think that this was
Speaker 2: so awesome and everything? And now you're watching You're like, dude,
Speaker 2: this is the the shittiest fucking show ever put together
Speaker 2: in history. Now, the movies, I will say, the Power
Speaker 2: Rangers movies still go hard. But the TV show, my god,
Speaker 2: that was like super low budget.
Speaker 3: It looked like, oh, it was.
Speaker 4: It was absolutely low budget. But I mean, that's the
Speaker 4: thing when you're a kid, you see these fight scenes
Speaker 4: were like they don't even come close to hitting the
Speaker 4: bad guy's face and he goes fly with a backflip
Speaker 4: and somehow sparks are flying from their hands and it's like, bro,
Speaker 4: what But to six year old us, this.
Speaker 5: Was the realest shit we'd ever fought.
Speaker 2: Because, oh yeah, shout out to the Green Ranger aka
Speaker 2: the White Ranger.
Speaker 3: Rip Rip.
Speaker 5: What was his name again, Tommy tom No, the name
Speaker 5: of the show, the show.
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, it's Tommy. But anyway, all right, let's get
Speaker 2: to it. So we we we get into this whole
Speaker 2: Whitley Streeber conspiracy it. So here we go tonight, we
Speaker 2: step into the shadows, into the crack between worlds. We're
Speaker 2: talking about one of the most bizarre, deeply disturbing, and
Speaker 2: profoundly spiritual alien abduction cases ever recorded. This isn't just
Speaker 2: lights in the sky, This isn't just missing time. This
Speaker 2: is about being taken, broken open and shown the nature
Speaker 2: of reality by something not human.
Speaker 3: Whitley Streeber. He was a novelist. Is he's still alive?
Speaker 2: I actually thought that he was dead because it happened
Speaker 2: a while ago, you know, like this happened before I
Speaker 2: was born, before we were both born. And so he
Speaker 2: was was a novelist, experiencer controversial profit of the Unknown
Speaker 2: claims that he was abducted by non human beings in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five. But what makes this story different isn't
Speaker 2: just the experience, it's how deep the rabbit hole goes,
Speaker 2: from implants to secret teachings, government shadow games to mystical encounters.
Speaker 2: Whitley Strieber's life is either the ultimate truth or the
Speaker 2: ultimate deception. And I got to say, anytime the CIA
Speaker 2: or governments are very interested in a person or inn,
Speaker 2: a UFO case or an alien case or something like that,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm all the more intrigued. Like that's why I'm
Speaker 2: so fascinated about Chris Bledsoe. Dude, all of the big
Speaker 2: government government entities are so interested. They've shown so much
Speaker 2: interest into Chris Bledsoe. It's like one of the most
Speaker 2: documented cases, if not the most documented case of all time.
Speaker 2: Like the amount of research done into Chris Blood, so
Speaker 2: Willie Streeber is that level.
Speaker 3: He was very well documented.
Speaker 2: And dude, they took him to go get a scan
Speaker 2: of his fucking brain because he kept on saying that
Speaker 2: he felt like an implant behind his ear after this abduction.
Speaker 2: And this is this is where it gets kind of
Speaker 2: crazy because a lot of a lot of alien abduction
Speaker 2: stories they always talk about an implant.
Speaker 3: Remember we went over that.
Speaker 2: Like a couple of years ago and showed like a
Speaker 2: couple of the cat scans and X rays and stuff
Speaker 2: like that about how people literally have implants. Well, so
Speaker 2: this guy he gets implanted and nobody believes him, but
Speaker 2: the CIA takes an interest and they actually send him
Speaker 2: to a doctor and we're gonna get into that whole story,
Speaker 2: but they send him to a doctor to get scanned,
Speaker 2: and nevertheless, like there's something behind his ear. They don't
Speaker 2: know how it got there, there's no incision mark or anything.
Speaker 2: The CIA was like trying to get him to take
Speaker 2: it out so they can study it, and he was like, no,
Speaker 2: you ain't taking that shit out. Like he feels connected
Speaker 2: to it now. So it's like a alien integration almost.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this is going to be a wild ass story, dude.
Speaker 3: So let's go back.
Speaker 2: So this is before the visitors, who was Whitley Streeber
Speaker 2: Before the visitors. Willy Streeber wasn't just some fringe lunatic
Speaker 2: screaming about aliens in the desert. He was a New
Speaker 2: York Times a New York Times bestselling author, respected successful.
Speaker 2: He was living in Manhattan with his wife, Anne and
Speaker 2: their son. He was born in nineteen forty five in
Speaker 2: San Antonio, Texas. Whitley grew up Catholic, educated and steeped
Speaker 2: in traditional values. He went to the University of Texas
Speaker 2: and later the London School of Film Technique. He was
Speaker 2: a smart guy, rational. In the seventies and eighties, he
Speaker 2: hit it big with horror novels like The Wolfing about
Speaker 2: shape shifting wolf creatures stalking New York City, and another
Speaker 2: movie called The Hunger, which was a seductive vampire tale,
Speaker 2: later adopted into a film starring David Bowie. So he
Speaker 2: was already into the shape shifting wolves and the vampires.
Speaker 2: That's the kind of shit that he was into.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: He was never really talking about the alien kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: just like you know, old lore kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So he wasn't a crank. He was a storyteller with
Speaker 2: a serious career. But in nineteen eighty five everything changed
Speaker 2: and It all started in a remote cabin in upstate
Speaker 2: New York.
Speaker 3: Okay. That reminds me, dude.
Speaker 2: Whenever we went to Brogrove last year and I was
Speaker 2: really really on the idea of buying this cabin in
Speaker 2: the woods, and then what was hobo, Hobo Jimmy or
Speaker 2: something like that, hippie Jimmy.
Speaker 3: Hippie Jimmy, hobo, Sorry, hippie Jimmy. I mean, a fucking
Speaker 3: guy was not wearing shoes, you know what I mean, six.
Speaker 5: One half dozen in the other they're hippies.
Speaker 3: It's basically hobo's with tydeye, like, let's be real.
Speaker 2: You're not wrong, You're not wrong. So anyway, he was,
Speaker 2: he's known as a traveler, you know. But but me
Speaker 2: and Nick were talking to hippie Jimmy and he goes
Speaker 2: just out of nowhere. He's like, you know what, I
Speaker 2: One thing I gotta tell you, dude, is one of
Speaker 2: the worst mistakes I ever made was moving into a
Speaker 2: cabin in the middle of the woods all by myself.
Speaker 2: Never do that. Don't ever do that. He says that
Speaker 2: out in the middle of nowhere. Meanwhile, that whole trip,
Speaker 2: I was talking to you, and I was talking to
Speaker 2: Nick about this cabin that I was looking at in Texas,
Speaker 2: right deep in the middle of the woods, no neighbors
Speaker 2: or anything around. So I heard that story and I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm just gonna take it as a sign
Speaker 2: I'm not getting that fucking cabin.
Speaker 4: Then look hindsight twenty twenty, thank god that he said that,
Speaker 4: because look at where your life is currently with everything
Speaker 4: going on right If you were in the middle of
Speaker 4: trying to move into this cabin or get approved for
Speaker 4: that and all of this with everything else you got
Speaker 4: going on right now, that would have fucking ruined you,
Speaker 4: oh dude, and then you'd be stuck with this cabin
Speaker 4: that nobody wanted, which is why I was on the
Speaker 4: market for the way it was.
Speaker 5: It would just yeah, yeah, Jimmy was on one.
Speaker 3: Jimmy was definitely on one for sure.
Speaker 2: So this guy also, you know, he's talking about how
Speaker 2: he was he was in a cabin in the middle
Speaker 2: of the woods essentially. So this happens in December twenty sixth,
Speaker 2: the day after Christmas in nineteen eighty five, so it
Speaker 2: was just after Christmas. Whitley and his family were at
Speaker 2: their vacation cabin nestled in the woods, a peaceful setting
Speaker 2: until the night of December twenty sixth. That's when Strieber
Speaker 2: says that he was taken in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: He woke up in a state of absolute horror, paralyzed
Speaker 2: a terror. He was terror filled a strange presence in
Speaker 2: the room. He couldn't move, he couldn't scream. The room
Speaker 2: seemed filled with an electrical buzz, like the static charge
Speaker 2: before lightning hits. Then came the figures, small humanoid with
Speaker 2: large black eyes, not the classic gray is exactly. Some
Speaker 2: were different. One tall being had a narrow, almost insect
Speaker 2: like face. Another was squat and robotic. He felt them
Speaker 2: touch him, He felt something inserted at Whenever I first
Speaker 2: read that, I was like, in sorry, are we talking
Speaker 2: about butt probes here?
Speaker 4: But no ib to say nose, belly, buttons stabbed in
Speaker 4: anal probe?
Speaker 3: What are we talking about here?
Speaker 2: That's the behind the ear thing right on the temple
Speaker 2: or no, that's not the temple.
Speaker 3: What is that back there? That pressure point right behind
Speaker 3: your ear? What is that one called?
Speaker 4: I know what it's called, but I know that it hurts.
Speaker 4: Whenever you got that the thumb shoved up in it
Speaker 4: right dude, that's.
Speaker 3: Not like one of the worst ones.
Speaker 2: So he felt he felt it inserted right behind his ear,
Speaker 2: and he remembered floating, He remembered a needle in his brain.
Speaker 2: This was no dream, he says it was. He was
Speaker 2: changed by it. He says it broke his mind and
Speaker 2: his reality. That seems like a fucking damn t trip, bro, doesn't.
Speaker 3: It kind of.
Speaker 2: Kind of So imagine waking up and seeing something that
Speaker 2: your brain isn't supposed to Uh, I'm sorry that your
Speaker 2: brain says isn't supposed to exist.
Speaker 3: Do you lose your mind? Or do you wake up
Speaker 3: to something greater? So? After go ahead, did you want
Speaker 3: to say something?
Speaker 4: I'm just curious here. So he was in this cabin.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he was living there. If you
Speaker 4: just it was just a vacation for a camping trip,
Speaker 4: right whatever? Glamping instead of camping?
Speaker 3: Cool?
Speaker 4: Did he see a craft land? Was he in bed
Speaker 4: and woke up with these things on top of him?
Speaker 4: I like, to what level did this just happen?
Speaker 2: I believe he was laying down, So I think that
Speaker 2: this is a what is it called sleep paralysis?
Speaker 5: Oh shit?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I believe it was a street paralysis because
Speaker 2: it said that he couldn't say anything, he couldn't move.
Speaker 2: It's that's like telltale signs of a sleep paralysis. And
Speaker 2: also he was the only one to experience it at
Speaker 2: that time, I believe. And that's why, you know, because
Speaker 2: you got to imagine he was alone, right, No, his
Speaker 2: family was with him.
Speaker 5: Oh I thought he was alone in the cabin my bed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his family went up there with him. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's fucking wild, dude. But after the incident,
Speaker 2: he was obviously shaken, and not in a I had
Speaker 2: a weird dream type of way. He was physically ill, disoriented,
Speaker 2: he couldn't sleep, he kept replaying strange images. But but
Speaker 2: what was worse, there was missing time, hours that he
Speaker 2: that he couldn't have out for. He turned to hypnosis,
Speaker 2: as a lot of et experiencers do. They turned to hypnosis,
Speaker 2: and sometimes that tells the story. Sometimes, you know, it's
Speaker 2: hard to tell, like, how do you prove hypnosis? And
Speaker 2: I'm a hypnotherapist, how do I prove that you actually
Speaker 2: experienced a past life?
Speaker 3: I can't, there's no way of doing that.
Speaker 2: But for some reason, the story's there, and so this
Speaker 2: is he ends up doing the hypnosis, and that's when
Speaker 2: the memories flooded back. He saw himself being led through
Speaker 2: metallic hallways, He saw strange instruments. He heard a voice
Speaker 2: inside of his head, not speaking in words, but thoughts.
Speaker 2: He was told things that he couldn't understand but felt
Speaker 2: were important, ancient and cosmic. Really described the beings as
Speaker 2: conducting something akin to medical procedures, but spiritual, not clinical.
Speaker 2: They were interested in his soul, not just his body.
Speaker 2: And then the dream started. Dreams of the world ending,
Speaker 2: of skies cracking open, of a flood of consciousness washing
Speaker 2: over humanity. He didn't know what was real anymore. This
Speaker 2: is how I would imagine that alien contact would happen,
Speaker 2: I mean, just me personally, Like I feel like it
Speaker 2: would literally shake everything you thought you knew, you know,
Speaker 2: Like I get this.
Speaker 5: But that's the thing.
Speaker 4: This this Now we're talking about him in a dream,
Speaker 4: or at least within his own mind.
Speaker 5: He's seeing these things play out, right, Well.
Speaker 2: He's yeah, the the dreams are almost like like dream
Speaker 2: prophecy kind of thing. Actually electro. Nick talks about this
Speaker 2: a lot. And dude, he's been keeping the receipts. So
Speaker 2: anytime Nick has like a dream. He'll document it on Facebook.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've been seeing this, but every
Speaker 2: single time something like major crazy event happens, like super
Speaker 2: specific crazy event happens, like Nick just shares it and
Speaker 2: then he shares the post that he shared two or
Speaker 2: three years ago from the dream that he had, and
Speaker 2: they perfectly correlate.
Speaker 3: So what the fuck is that, dude, that I can't
Speaker 3: call it? To be honest with you, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I love it though, I think it's so fascinating. So then,
Speaker 2: so he had this whole experience, He had all these wild,
Speaker 2: almost prophetic type of dreams, and so he decided to
Speaker 2: write a book about it, and that book was called Communion.
Speaker 2: And you know what, as a matter of fact, I'm
Speaker 2: going to play a little clip from the interview that
Speaker 2: he had with Danny Jones. Shout out to Danny Jones, dude,
Speaker 2: one of the best podcasters in the game. So I
Speaker 2: want to share this real quick, and here we go.
Speaker 2: So this is him at This is Whitley Streeber right now.
Speaker 2: I think this this episode was not that long ago.
Speaker 2: And this is him talking about the alien implant, which
Speaker 2: was like three and a half minutes long. But super
Speaker 2: interesting to hear him talk about it. So I kind
Speaker 2: of wanted to bring some of his and maybe we'll
Speaker 2: eventually get him on as a guest one day. I
Speaker 2: in preparation for this show, I just assumed that he
Speaker 2: wasn't around anymore, as most of these like alien experiencers are,
Speaker 2: and because it happened a while ago and everything. But
Speaker 2: now that I know that he's alive, we're gonna definitely
Speaker 2: try and get him on. But this is in his
Speaker 2: own words, speaking about the alien implant to Danny Jones.
Speaker 3: Check it out.
Speaker 7: Okay, the visitors, the grades, oh, you know, people that
Speaker 7: are connected to them?
Speaker 3: Of course, Oh I am. It's an implant. That's what
Speaker 3: it is. That's why what the implant in my ear is.
Speaker 6: It'll turn on during the interview and you'll be talking
Speaker 6: to me and to them.
Speaker 3: You don't have an implant to pull my leg.
Speaker 6: No, I'm not telling you the truth. You don't know
Speaker 6: about it. You never read the.
Speaker 3: Books I read Communion.
Speaker 6: Oh okay, you've only read Communion.
Speaker 5: You've only read Communion.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, I have this.
Speaker 3: Well, i'll tell you the story.
Speaker 6: I'll just give you a brief precis now perfect it
Speaker 6: was put in in nineteen eighty nine. I was wide
Speaker 6: awake when it was done. Was done by two people people.
Speaker 6: There's a whole lot of people who are connected with
Speaker 6: the visitors are connected with them, and these were two
Speaker 6: of them. I couldn't use it for years, but after
Speaker 6: my wife died it began to become useful and it
Speaker 6: now is my absolute go to. It's like having an
Speaker 6: unbelievable AI, only whatever's on the other side of it
Speaker 6: is not artificial but brilliant. It works with me when
Speaker 6: I'm writing at three o'clock every morning, I get up
Speaker 6: and there's a dialogue that goes on. It's not like channeling.
Speaker 6: It's much more direct than that. It's very direct, and
Speaker 6: during interviews it will be working most of the time.
Speaker 3: Can you see it behind your feel it? Yeah? You
Speaker 3: can feel it right here. Yeah. Have you ever had
Speaker 3: a doctor look at it?
Speaker 6: Absolutely? I've got an MRI scan of it. In fact,
Speaker 6: I'll send it to you on my FILT. I mean
Speaker 6: a CT scan of it. That CT scan was done
Speaker 6: by some one in the CIA what who wanted it
Speaker 6: very badly to be taken out, but I wouldn't let him.
Speaker 7: Yeah, how did you get a CT scan done by
Speaker 7: somebody in No.
Speaker 3: No, it was done.
Speaker 6: The CT scan was done privately at his request by
Speaker 6: a doctor who he called and sat up.
Speaker 7: Okay, how did you get How did a CIA person
Speaker 7: get to find out about your implant?
Speaker 6: I'm known to them, to the IC to be a
Speaker 6: legitimate close encounter witness, and they are interested in that.
Speaker 7: Why do you think the CIA is so interested in
Speaker 7: people who have had close encounters?
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I think they kind of backed into
Speaker 6: it because their brief is foreign intelligence and this is
Speaker 6: about as foreign as foreign intelligence can get. And when
Speaker 6: the CIA was first founded, the Roswell incident occurred, the
Speaker 6: Army Air Corps became the Air Force, and the CIA
Speaker 6: was founded, and the National Security Act was passed all
Speaker 6: in the same few months. And this was like July
Speaker 6: July forty seventh, July to October of forty seven, and
Speaker 6: so all the infrastructure was then in place, and I
Speaker 6: think it was just a very natural thing that CIA
Speaker 6: would be the go to agency to study this.
Speaker 3: Bro what do you think about that?
Speaker 5: I'm going.
Speaker 3: I know it sounds wild on the surface, right, like, because.
Speaker 5: Honey, yes, kind of no, kind of yes, kind of no.
Speaker 4: Right, this it makes sense to me that the CIA
Speaker 4: would take a special interest in, for lack of better words,
Speaker 4: let's call them, I want to say victims, because now
Speaker 4: everybody who has a exposure to extraterrestrials or whatever you
Speaker 4: want to call them, not all of them are negative. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: so I don't want to call it victims, but let's say, uh,
Speaker 4: case studies or whatever. You put whatever tidle you want
Speaker 4: on this, Right, it makes sense to me that the
Speaker 4: CIA would take a special interest in this group, and
Speaker 4: maybe not even the CIA directly, maybe one of their
Speaker 4: like sub units, right, like the uh, what was the one,
Speaker 4: the North American Aeronautic Phenomena Association, or what basically the
Speaker 4: Men in Black? Right, it would make perfect sense to
Speaker 4: me that some sort of acronymic government agency would come
Speaker 4: in and want to talk to this guy and do
Speaker 4: some scans on them.
Speaker 3: We're doing something.
Speaker 2: It actually brings that up that group that we've actually
Speaker 2: talked about that group in the past, like the real
Speaker 2: men in Black.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh, he mentions them.
Speaker 4: But and I don't want to start throwing shade because
Speaker 4: I'm not. But it's also I find it odd that
Speaker 4: this would happen to a horror movie writer, or a
Speaker 4: horror movie author, or a horror book author.
Speaker 5: Movie screenwriter, all these things.
Speaker 4: It's like somebody who already has a pretty wild imagination
Speaker 4: from the rip.
Speaker 5: Now, I'm not saying that that takes credibility away.
Speaker 4: I am just saying that I could see why people
Speaker 4: that would be calling this like a hoax or some
Speaker 4: shit would instantly say, well.
Speaker 5: Of course it happened to him.
Speaker 4: But I mean that also, that's not a necessary you know,
Speaker 4: correlation here.
Speaker 3: Two.
Speaker 2: And conversely, you could actually make an argument that if
Speaker 2: the aliens are as intelligent as many people believe they are,
Speaker 2: wouldn't you go after somebody like that to be able
Speaker 2: to kind of spread the word, somebody who's already well known,
Speaker 2: somebody who might put pen to paper and talk about it,
Speaker 2: might write a movie script. And you know, I'm just like,
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 4: They want to be talked about, if they want to
Speaker 4: be exposed, and if they want humanity to know that
Speaker 4: they're here.
Speaker 2: And that's I can see that that's the message. That's
Speaker 2: the message that we're talking about here, is that that's
Speaker 2: what they want. They want to be known, and that
Speaker 2: actually leads us into our next video.
Speaker 4: This, wait real quick, he said, humans implanted that into
Speaker 4: his head, not.
Speaker 2: Aliens, No no, no, no, no, not humans. The aliens implanted
Speaker 2: into his head.
Speaker 4: And there was human beings that are also connected to
Speaker 4: them took him and implanted this.
Speaker 5: Maybe I'm misunderstood from what.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't remember hearing that, But from what
Speaker 2: I understood, it was actually the aliens that implanted it,
Speaker 2: and it was the humans that were interested in taking
Speaker 2: it out to be.
Speaker 3: Able to observe it.
Speaker 2: So and this, and this is going to go a
Speaker 2: little bit deeper into the implantation. So and this is
Speaker 2: gonna this is gonna get kind of wild, but it's
Speaker 2: already there, so let's just go there, all right, all right.
Speaker 6: I was gonna call it body terror because it was
Speaker 6: so physically terrifying, And she said.
Speaker 2: Sorry, So I'm sorry, little contacts about this. This is
Speaker 2: about whenever he's getting ready to write his book called Communion,
Speaker 2: which is the first book that came out after his experience,
Speaker 2: and this was the movie that was inevitably created with
Speaker 2: Christopher Walkin. But and so he's a writer, you know,
Speaker 2: so he's already pretty well versed in how to you know,
Speaker 2: construct a book and a story and all that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff, And so he was thinking about, well, what
Speaker 2: am I going to name this? Because there was like
Speaker 2: some horrific experiences, but then there was also some like
Speaker 2: really nice, kind of blissful experiences. And I guess he
Speaker 2: was communicating somehow with the aliens or something along those lines,
Speaker 2: and he's trying to like ask them, what should I
Speaker 2: call it?
Speaker 3: You know, how what direction should I go here?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 3: And this is where we pick up.
Speaker 6: I was going to call it body terror because it
Speaker 6: was so physically terrifying, and she said no quickly. One night,
Speaker 6: when she was half asleep, she suddenly says, Quiddley, call
Speaker 6: the book communion because that's what it's about, and that
Speaker 6: is the defining reality. Here can we do it? And
Speaker 6: another part of that reality? Come?
Speaker 2: Oh, sorry about that? I got that mixed up with
Speaker 2: another story. This was not an alien that was talking
Speaker 2: to him. This is his wife that was telling him
Speaker 2: that they were going back and forth about what they
Speaker 2: were going to call it.
Speaker 3: Sorry about that, I got Just to clarify.
Speaker 6: It's from Colonel Philip Corso. Phil Corso who had an
Speaker 6: encounter in New Mexico where he was asked by the
Speaker 6: visitors to turn off some radars so they could safely
Speaker 6: leave a cave that they were in, and to turn
Speaker 6: them off for ten minutes, and he said, well, in
Speaker 6: my profession, ten minutes can be a long time, which
Speaker 6: is quite an understatement. And what's in it for us?
Speaker 6: And the answer is the defining reality of this along
Speaker 6: with the word communion, the answer was a new world
Speaker 6: if you can take it, and that means if you
Speaker 6: can rest it out of our hands, if you can
Speaker 6: bear it, if you can stand it, if you can
Speaker 6: understand it, if you can steal it, beg for it,
Speaker 6: buy it, borrow it. However, there's a new world waiting
Speaker 6: for us, and that world that circles back to Communion
Speaker 6: because it is in that level of relationship that this
Speaker 6: new world is going to come. Because what will happen
Speaker 6: to us is that all kinds of abilities that we
Speaker 6: see the visitors in possession of that look like magic
Speaker 6: to us will become part of us as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is what he's talking about, and that's
Speaker 2: why the book is called Communion because essentially it's like
Speaker 2: you know, when you hear about this kind of stuff
Speaker 2: with like even within religion. You know, well, who was
Speaker 2: it that said that one day there's going to be
Speaker 2: a new heaven and a new earth? Right, and then
Speaker 2: there's even Dolores Cannon talks about it. There's going to
Speaker 2: be a new Earth and it's just gonna be it's
Speaker 2: gonna be kind of the same, but very different in
Speaker 2: the way that we perceive it, in the way that
Speaker 2: we act according with it. And that's what he was
Speaker 2: talking about. And so that's why he wanted to call
Speaker 2: the book Communion, because it's not necessarily that you're just
Speaker 2: gonna blip onto another place. It's that it's going to
Speaker 2: integrate into who you are, into what everything else is,
Speaker 2: and it's going to be essentially like an advancement of humanity.
Speaker 2: And I know that sounds like kind of woo woo
Speaker 2: and kind of crazy, But now we're going to get
Speaker 2: into the rest of the story and maybe give what
Speaker 2: he's saying a little bit more context. Okay, So all right,
Speaker 2: so he wrote the book called Communion. So in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty seven, Whitley published Communion. He didn't know if anyone
Speaker 2: would believe him, but the book blew up the now
Speaker 2: famous cover pale face with giant black Eyes burned itself
Speaker 2: into the public consciousness. It became the definitive image of
Speaker 2: a gray alien. But Communion wasn't a typical UFO book.
Speaker 2: It was deeply psychological. Streeber wasn't just trying to prove
Speaker 2: aliens existed. He was exploring the trauma of the contact,
Speaker 2: the way that these experiences tear apart your sense of self,
Speaker 2: reality and truth. The book was terrifying, intimate at times,
Speaker 2: it was spiritual. He described the visitors as not just aliens,
Speaker 2: but possibly something beyond our understanding, time travelers, interdimensional beings, angels, demons.
Speaker 2: He didn't know what the fuck they were. What's wild
Speaker 2: is that after publishing Communion, Willie Streeber received thousands of
Speaker 2: letters from people all over the world saying that they
Speaker 2: had experienced the same thing, but they were too scared
Speaker 2: to talk about it until they read his words. And
Speaker 2: so for many Streeber became kind of a prophet to
Speaker 2: these kind of people like this, so you can understand,
Speaker 2: you know, this is why it's so important to talk
Speaker 2: about your stories, dude, you know, like and even like
Speaker 2: even for example, my story about the mushrooms and the
Speaker 2: elohem and stuff like that, dude, I can't tell you
Speaker 2: how many fucking people have reached out to me and
Speaker 2: said that a very similar thing happened to them. That
Speaker 2: was that, dude, that's me telling that story is what
Speaker 2: got Electro Nick to reach out to us.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, and people like.
Speaker 2: That, like you sound crazy whenever you talk about it,
Speaker 2: like you sound like you're fucking losing your mind.
Speaker 4: But no, one hundred percent agree with you, dude. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's the same with like my demon's story.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: For the longest time, I didn't want to talk about
Speaker 4: it for a number of reasons. But ever since I
Speaker 4: spoke on it and released that, I've had so many
Speaker 4: people to throw love my way and hatred my way
Speaker 4: because there is a group of people out there to say,
Speaker 4: for a demon to be tormenting you and for an
Speaker 4: angel to come to your intercession, that can't happen biblically speaking,
Speaker 4: because blah blah blah blah blah. And it's like, Okay,
Speaker 4: you can have that opinion. That's cool. I'm not like
Speaker 4: here to argue or debate this week you. But then
Speaker 4: so many more people have come out and said, oh,
Speaker 4: I had a very similar experience, and this happened, and
Speaker 4: this happened, So yeah, I went with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: This guy speaking on it and writing a book about it,
Speaker 4: I absolutely believe that this would validate a lot of
Speaker 4: people's experiences that they couldn't speak on or they were
Speaker 4: afraid of speaking on it for fear of retribution or
Speaker 4: something like that.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent.
Speaker 2: And how is it so that, like whenever somebody speaks
Speaker 2: about it, I mean, think about it like this, people
Speaker 2: who speak about gray aliens, it's always pretty much the
Speaker 2: same story about them. They're always described in very similar
Speaker 2: ways and similarly like Pleadians or Octorians or Andromedons or
Speaker 2: Reptilians or fucking you name them, the Nordics whatever. It's
Speaker 2: like everybody that experiences them talks about the same exact
Speaker 2: characteristics and traits, like as far as they look, and
Speaker 2: the message and how they're communicating and how it changed
Speaker 2: their reality and it changed their perception of everything. You know, Oh,
Speaker 2: it's always such similar stories. Now, those could be grifters.
Speaker 2: Maybe they heard a story and they were like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm gonna describe this story. But I
Speaker 2: don't think that I don't think there's that many grifters.
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, there's absolutely a lot of grifters out there.
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of Charlatan's. There's a lot of people
Speaker 2: that just want to get famous in some kind of way.
Speaker 2: Some people are just lonely, and so they make up
Speaker 2: these stories and so that they can be involved into
Speaker 2: some kind of community and now they have a similar
Speaker 2: experience to somebody who actually did experience it. And it's like,
Speaker 2: there's definitely a lot of people full of shit out there.
Speaker 4: You'll always run the risk of that, especially with something
Speaker 4: that is this fantastic, right, something that is this so
Speaker 4: far out of the box and all that, You're gonna
Speaker 4: have copycats. You're gonna have people that are trying to
Speaker 4: like coattail it and get their own little fifteen minutes
Speaker 4: of fame for it. But I gotta say it's the
Speaker 4: same thing as I feel about towards psychics and shit
Speaker 4: like that. True psychics are not worried about their fifteen
Speaker 4: minutes of fame because this is their daily life. This
Speaker 4: is something they can't turn on and off. The ones
Speaker 4: are out there, look at me and what I can do.
Speaker 4: I feel like that's more grifter than not. I can't
Speaker 4: say that with one hundred percent certainty, but it feels
Speaker 4: like there's a spirit of grifter mentality with it. People
Speaker 4: with true alien experiences, if they are spreading awareness, Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm with you.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm not gonna say that they're immediately a grifter.
Speaker 4: If it's somebody who is trying to do everything they
Speaker 4: can to market it, that's kind of looking kind of
Speaker 4: GRIFTERI ish to me, I don't know.
Speaker 2: A little bit, but I don't even the more I
Speaker 2: look into this kind of stuff. Even the people that
Speaker 2: write books or make movies or even I don't give
Speaker 2: a fuck if they make a dollar off of it.
Speaker 2: Like if if somebody can listen to it and connect
Speaker 2: to the story, I mean, that's that's the most important thing.
Speaker 3: And like even like psychics.
Speaker 2: I mean, and I've talked to a lot of psychics
Speaker 2: over on meta mysteries, and some some are a little
Speaker 2: bit more connected than others. I'm not gonna say, you
Speaker 2: know that they're they're grifters, or they're fakes or whatever,
Speaker 2: but I will say that, like just whenever people think
Speaker 2: about a psychic, dude, it doesn't work. Work how you
Speaker 2: think it works like it is, and it's not always
Speaker 2: spot on, you know. It's sometimes they're close, sometimes they're
Speaker 2: they're connecting to some other kind of information or whatever.
Speaker 2: And some people are very new and they're learning about
Speaker 2: how to be a psychic, and you know, and and
Speaker 2: just stuff like that. And so I don't want to
Speaker 2: say that, you know, psychic. Some people are, I guess,
Speaker 2: are born being a psychic, you know from what you hear.
Speaker 2: You hear about certain stories like that, but then you
Speaker 2: hear other people that like it's a learned thing, you know,
Speaker 2: like maybe maybe you had a little spark, and I
Speaker 2: think that we all kind of got that little spark.
Speaker 2: I think that if you have an imagination and if
Speaker 2: you have some kind of spiritual connection to the all
Speaker 2: that is, then maybe that's how it's really being done.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: It's it's not so much like nuts and bolts of
Speaker 2: like is there a certain gene that this person have.
Speaker 3: I don't think that that's what it is.
Speaker 2: I think that that gene would be literally whatever is
Speaker 2: our connection to the universe or to God or whatever.
Speaker 2: That's that's my perception of it.
Speaker 4: I use the term throughout psychics as an example right,
Speaker 4: I can't speak with any kind of authority on the matter.
Speaker 5: I'm completely speaking from a place of ignorance.
Speaker 4: But there's been so many people that have come forward
Speaker 4: and said that they had an alien experience, they saw
Speaker 4: a flying tic tac, They have a video of this
Speaker 4: thing flying in the sky that they can't explain.
Speaker 5: They don't get rich off of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that clip might go viral, and that will be
Speaker 4: the only thing that goes viral, and like, that's it.
Speaker 4: I am more likely to believe that video than somebody
Speaker 4: who claims to be an expert in UFOology and all
Speaker 4: these other things. But then again, when those experts can
Speaker 4: come forward and back their claims and show receipts and
Speaker 4: show how and why they got involved with this, like
Speaker 4: the Bledsoe's for instance, he's able to call them down
Speaker 4: on a regular basis. It's like, Okay, he wasn't trying
Speaker 4: to make money off of this twenty years ago when
Speaker 4: he started having this I want to use the term ability.
Speaker 4: But whenever this really started to pick up like momentum
Speaker 4: for him, he wasn't trying to get famous.
Speaker 5: If anything, he was trying to keep it a secret.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, and That's the thing is that, you know,
Speaker 2: there's been many of stories about how he's able to
Speaker 2: put hands on people and heal them, like, and that's
Speaker 2: what's crazy about it.
Speaker 4: I haven't heard that yet. You're the only one I've
Speaker 4: heard that says this about him.
Speaker 2: Yeah he uh, he actually talked about that on the
Speaker 2: Sean Ryan episode.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like he doesn't even like to really say
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff because then you'll start getting fucking
Speaker 2: people out the woodworks.
Speaker 3: Hey my little daughter.
Speaker 2: Has cancer, Hey my son is blind, or you know
Speaker 2: what i mean, Like, and you can't help everybody. You're
Speaker 2: not gonna have a fucking life kind of thing, you know,
Speaker 2: like and so, And I'm sure he feels bad about
Speaker 2: that because what if what if he actually does have
Speaker 2: that ability?
Speaker 3: You know, like, what if you had that ability?
Speaker 2: I'm sure, like you know, you would be happy to help,
Speaker 2: But dude, you still gotta fucking pay bills, You still
Speaker 2: got to spend time with your family, You still got
Speaker 2: to go to work, you know what I mean, you
Speaker 2: still got all these other things. And if you got
Speaker 2: a fucking a thousand people lined up outside of your
Speaker 2: house every day, I mean, it almost turns into a
Speaker 2: fucking job. And at that point, I don't I mean,
Speaker 2: how much healing does one have? Does it run out?
Speaker 3: You know? Do you have to regenerate it? Is it
Speaker 3: like a chi kind of thing. I don't know.
Speaker 4: If I had that ability, I would be using it
Speaker 4: to spread a ministry. But that's just me with my
Speaker 4: background and all of that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: But like that's my point though, Bledsoe. I'm not saying
Speaker 4: he's a grifter or his family or any of these things.
Speaker 4: But what I'm saying is he was very private about
Speaker 4: it for the longest time, and he's even still kind
Speaker 4: of like shelled in certain regards to certain aspects of it.
Speaker 4: That makes me believe him a little bit more than
Speaker 4: the guy who's like trying to become insta famous for
Speaker 4: a abduction that he claims that nobody else can verify
Speaker 4: that kind of thing. And I'm not saying that this
Speaker 4: is what our guy Whitley Streeper had going on, right,
Speaker 4: I'm just saying there's you could tell that there's a
Speaker 4: spirit of grifter with some people full on Charlatanism. It's
Speaker 4: for the story, it's for their fifteen minutes of fame,
Speaker 4: and there are some people that are actually like, listen,
Speaker 4: this is just information that needs to get out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can oftentimes tell if somebody's telling the
Speaker 2: truth by all the bullshit that they have to go
Speaker 2: through just to be able to have a platform to
Speaker 2: tell the truth. You know, like Chris Bledsoe for example, Dude,
Speaker 2: he was fucking segregated from the rest of his family
Speaker 2: for years, Like he wasn't invited to Thanksgiving and Christmas,
Speaker 2: and every time that he you know, his kids would
Speaker 2: go to school, that his kids would get made fun of,
Speaker 2: you know, his his own like family and parents would
Speaker 2: make fun of him. Oh, your dad's out there doing
Speaker 2: drugs and seeing little green aliens.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 2: You know, like that's and so I don't know, I'm
Speaker 2: less inclined to believe that that's grifter shit.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm with you, I am, And like I said,
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that is what Whitley is experiencing by
Speaker 4: any means. It's it sounds terrifying in a certain regard,
Speaker 4: but it also sounds.
Speaker 5: Like he's at peace with it. But he's also had
Speaker 5: decades to get there.
Speaker 3: So let's learn more about this man.
Speaker 2: So, after the Communion Book was released, Whitley wasn't done, dude.
Speaker 2: He kept on right and writing and writing, trying to
Speaker 2: dive deeper into what this whole thing was really about,
Speaker 2: you know, and sometimes you know, writing, you know, especially
Speaker 2: back then, writing is as therapeutic as podcasting is to
Speaker 2: us nowadays.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: That's the kind of way I like to look at it.
Speaker 2: But in fact, the real revelations weren't were just the beginning.
Speaker 2: So in his follow up books called Transformation that came
Speaker 2: out in eighty eight and Breakthrough that came out in
Speaker 2: ninety five, and then The Secret School, which came out
Speaker 2: in ninety six, Streeber dove deeper, even deeper into the
Speaker 2: metaphysical nature of the visitors. He began to wonder, what
Speaker 2: if they weren't extraterrestrial at all? What if they were
Speaker 2: part of an ancient hidden reality or dimension or intelligence
Speaker 2: that had always been with humanity, appearing throughout history in
Speaker 2: different forms, angels, fairies, gods. Streeber claimed that he was
Speaker 2: being quote unquote taught by these things, initiated into what
Speaker 2: he called the Secret School. This wasn't an abduction anymore,
Speaker 2: It was aniation. He described being taken out of body,
Speaker 2: shown complex geometric patterns, star systems, and visions of Earth's future.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it was terrifying, other times it was blissful. The
Speaker 2: theme was clear. The visitors were here to, in quotes,
Speaker 2: awaken humanity to a new level of consciousness, but only
Speaker 2: through suffering and ego death. So now we get into
Speaker 2: the implants, the visitors and the mystery. So it's gonna
Speaker 2: get even fun.
Speaker 4: Man, I understand trying to get humanity on another playing
Speaker 4: field of consciousness. I get this through suffering ego death. Fine,
Speaker 4: I'm with you. Cool, cool, cool they're talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 4: looks like the human ray's gonna have to suffer a
Speaker 4: little bit for you already for the next phase.
Speaker 5: It's like, bro, what bro?
Speaker 2: Ego death is one of the most sufferable things you'll
Speaker 2: ever go through.
Speaker 4: It can be it can be very profound. It could
Speaker 4: also be very terrifying. I mean, everybody's got their own
Speaker 4: versions of it, I suppose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it was the most terrifying thing
Speaker 2: that's ever happened to me in my life, So I
Speaker 2: get it. I mean I and for everybody else that's
Speaker 2: ever had like a crazy ego death and a psychedelic experience.
Speaker 3: Fuck me, dude, it'll change you.
Speaker 4: So you had the you you went to the void, right,
Speaker 4: and you would call that a ego death with you
Speaker 4: one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't just the void.
Speaker 2: It was everything that I was thinking and everything that
Speaker 2: I was feeling in the moment that I was in
Speaker 2: the void.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm The.
Speaker 4: Point is, though, would you say that you had suffered
Speaker 4: an ego death prior to that no psychedelic experience, or
Speaker 4: would you say that you thought that those were ego deaths.
Speaker 2: I may have thought that maybe you have an ego death,
Speaker 2: and you know, maybe I was kind of looking at
Speaker 2: what an ego death meant, possibly in philosophical ways kind
Speaker 2: of sure, but no literal ego death. Remember, I kept
Speaker 2: on telling you, dude, I fucking died, bro, Like, not
Speaker 2: only did I die, everybody else died. And not only
Speaker 2: did everybody else die, the Earth died, the universe died.
Speaker 2: Like fucking every thing that I ever knew existed was deleted,
Speaker 2: you know, And and that was on me, you know, Like,
Speaker 2: and that's the ego death is. Whenever you know that
Speaker 2: you don't exist and nothing you ever experienced has will
Speaker 2: ever exist again, and it's your fault, Like you want
Speaker 2: to talk about a fucking completely reshaping of how you
Speaker 2: look at the world after you go through such a
Speaker 2: treacherous experience like that, You're you're you can't not change. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like it it's impossible to not change. It's like, I
Speaker 2: don't imagine the worst thing that you can I don't
Speaker 2: even don't even imagine the worst thing you can happen,
Speaker 2: because I don't even want to go into that.
Speaker 3: It's it fucking sucks. I'll just say that.
Speaker 4: My question is because we've had other people say that
Speaker 4: they had tried mushrooms and they experienced an ego death.
Speaker 4: But most of the time when they say that, what
Speaker 4: they mean is their perspective was shifted.
Speaker 5: They were able to remove.
Speaker 4: That inner thought and that inner voice from their heads,
Speaker 4: and they were able to just exist in that time
Speaker 4: and place, And a lot of people believe that that
Speaker 4: is an ego death.
Speaker 2: Possibly, So I mean, everybody has you know, who am
Speaker 2: I to say that somebody's experience isn't what mine was,
Speaker 2: you know?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: But like, even as that he's saying that the aliens
Speaker 4: are telling him that humanity needs to suffer.
Speaker 5: A mass ego death.
Speaker 4: That okay, that could be terrifying, that could be a
Speaker 4: bit enlightening and a bit profound.
Speaker 5: Different versions, different strokes of different folks.
Speaker 4: I get that, But suffering, now, that only leads to
Speaker 4: negative connotations. And I mean suffering also has different levels
Speaker 4: and degrees of severity to it.
Speaker 5: So I don't know exactly what they mean.
Speaker 4: But could this be why whenever we see movies about aliens,
Speaker 4: they're always seen as the quote unquote bad guys or
Speaker 4: the enslavers, or trying to wipe out the human race
Speaker 4: or whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Well, I will say this, as far
Speaker 2: as suffering goes, suffering is something that there is never
Speaker 2: going to be any person to have ever lived that
Speaker 2: has not gone through a period of suffering. It is
Speaker 2: literally part of the the human experience is suffering. And
Speaker 2: some people, even like great philosophers, they say to live
Speaker 2: is to suffer. You know, you think about all the
Speaker 2: shitty things that you go through in life, like maybe
Speaker 2: it's heartbreak, maybe it's somebody close to you dies, maybe
Speaker 2: it's you know, whatever tragic thing that you go through.
Speaker 2: I mean, it literally reshapes how you look at the world,
Speaker 2: every single thing, and it makes you stronger, It makes
Speaker 2: you aware of what not to do next time. It
Speaker 2: makes you aware of what to look for next time.
Speaker 2: You know, it completely transmutates what you once were into
Speaker 2: what you know you're growing to be. So, I mean,
Speaker 2: suffering is terrible, but it's almost like you know, the
Speaker 2: it's what is it? Like the saying is it's always
Speaker 2: darkest before the dawn. So even literally, like the if
Speaker 2: you look at like the earth for example, like it
Speaker 2: has to go through a period of darkness in order
Speaker 2: for the sun to rise, you know, like, and that's
Speaker 2: just the that's the fucking dualistic nature of our reality.
Speaker 2: And it's and it shows itself in many different ways
Speaker 2: that even whenever a cow takes a fat shit and
Speaker 2: you think that you can't do anything with it, well
Speaker 2: there you go. Now you can plant it and it's
Speaker 2: gonna grow a bunch of amazing vegetables and it's the
Speaker 2: one of the best fertilizers you can get, right, And
Speaker 2: you can also get fucking psychedelic mushrooms out of it,
Speaker 2: So even filth, you get amazing shit out of it. Literally,
Speaker 2: So you need suffering, and nature needs suffering, and humanity
Speaker 2: needs suffering, and fucking your your psyche needs the suffering.
Speaker 2: So that's the only way you can grow, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean even whenever think about it.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: One more example, Like I'm sure you played sports when
Speaker 2: you were growing up, like you played baseball. Right when
Speaker 2: you were playing baseball when you first started, you probably sucked, right,
Speaker 2: like everybody sucks their first time ever playing a sport,
Speaker 2: relatively sucking compared to what you eventually evolved to, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but you remember, like people on your team, there's always
Speaker 2: gonna be somebody better than you, Like, there's never it's
Speaker 2: it's very rare that you're the best at something, you know, like,
Speaker 2: no matter what it is. And so you know, you
Speaker 2: compare yourself and you're like, oh my god, I gotta
Speaker 2: fucking stay in this batting cages or I got to
Speaker 2: work on my fastball, or I got to work on
Speaker 2: how to catch ground balls or fly balls or you know,
Speaker 2: turn a fucking six four three or something like that. Right,
Speaker 2: there's all these these things that you got to learn.
Speaker 2: But in the beginning, it's suffering because you can't do it,
Speaker 2: you don't know how to do it, and so it
Speaker 2: fucking it distresses you, and you know, but it's it's
Speaker 2: through that distress that ultimately it turns you into the
Speaker 2: fucking you know, the baseball player that you want to
Speaker 2: be eventually.
Speaker 5: And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: If by suffering they mean experiencing a loas that we
Speaker 4: can appreciate the highs Okay, I could see that. Could
Speaker 4: it mean wiping out half the planet, the unenlightened half
Speaker 4: or something. I don't know to what level they mean,
Speaker 4: but I see what you're saying as well. Maybe maybe
Speaker 4: it is more of the philosophical suffering in the philosophical
Speaker 4: ego debt that the aliens are speaking of, and not
Speaker 4: a physical uh you know, Oh woe is me wailing
Speaker 4: of the human race either.
Speaker 5: I mean, we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 2: I mean, it probably happens in every way that you
Speaker 2: can suffer. I'm not even just saying from the philosophical
Speaker 2: standpoint or from the personal standpoint. You know, the worst
Speaker 2: thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing
Speaker 2: that's ever happened to you.
Speaker 5: Fair, Yeah, And that's different for everybody.
Speaker 3: I'm with you, right right.
Speaker 2: So So now let's get over to the transformation and
Speaker 2: the Secret School. Oh wait, we had already started to
Speaker 2: read that. Sorry about that, oh, here we are the implants,
Speaker 2: the visitors, and the mystery. So one of the strangest
Speaker 2: aspects of Streeber's story is the implant. He believed that
Speaker 2: something was physically inserted into his ear during one of
Speaker 2: his abductions. Medical scans later showed a small foreign object
Speaker 2: that the doctors could not not identify. It gave off
Speaker 2: a radio frequency. He had it tested, and some researchers
Speaker 2: claimed that it was unlike any any known material. The
Speaker 2: theories vary, was it a GPS tracker, a neuro interface,
Speaker 2: or something even stranger, like a device to influence thought, consciousness,
Speaker 2: or behavior. Streeber also categorized the beings into different types,
Speaker 2: the classic grays, tall insectoid beings, blue humanoids, and even
Speaker 2: mechanical like figures. Some seemed caring, others seemed cold and scientific.
Speaker 2: He often emphasized that these experiences were both spiritual and invasive,
Speaker 2: like being cracked open by something older than civilization itself.
Speaker 2: He began to question if this was really about aliens
Speaker 2: or something more archetypal, where the visitors reflections of our
Speaker 2: own unconscious mind, or were we the experience or the
Speaker 2: experiment rather so, now you know it's going to get
Speaker 2: into the government's surveillance and the military encounters and everything
Speaker 2: that transpired after he started kind of telling his story,
Speaker 2: So Streever started receiving visits from strange men, some of
Speaker 2: them in suits, some in military uniforms. He claimed that
Speaker 2: they asked detailed questions about the visitors. You know, he's
Speaker 2: just calling them the visitors. Don't know if they're aliens,
Speaker 2: don't know what the fuck they are. They're just visitors, right,
Speaker 2: detailed questions about the visitors, his experiences, and they what
Speaker 2: he thought that they wanted. He believed the US government
Speaker 2: was well aware of the phenomena and possibly working with
Speaker 2: or studying these entities. He even described encounters with military
Speaker 2: style abductions called my labs, that's what it was called
Speaker 2: my Yeah, Yeah, where humans dressed in uniform participated in
Speaker 2: the experiences. Remember we were going over this about like
Speaker 2: essentially like the Men in Black style shit, where the
Speaker 2: government would simulate some kind of frequency or would put
Speaker 2: the subject into some kind of hypnotic trance, or maybe
Speaker 2: they'd give them some kind of drug or something like
Speaker 2: that to really manipulate the mind into thinking that they're
Speaker 2: actually being abducted. Right, like essentially simulating an abduction experience,
Speaker 2: and dude, like, there's a lot of people with experiences
Speaker 2: out there like that, you know, and it's not always
Speaker 2: just a drug that you slip into somebody's drink. We
Speaker 2: don't know the technology that the government has, you know,
Speaker 2: we've talked about some of them, like some of the
Speaker 2: frequency guns that they have that causes people to get,
Speaker 2: you know, all sick just by sending out like a
Speaker 2: disturbing frequency that interrupts how your cells communicate with each
Speaker 2: other and shit like that, and about how it, you know,
Speaker 2: would have some kind of like a hypnotic effect into
Speaker 2: your mind. Dude, the government is so far ahead as
Speaker 2: far as technology and especially technology weaponized technology like that,
Speaker 2: and it's just a shame that our fucking tax dollars
Speaker 2: are going to that bullshit.
Speaker 3: But anyway, so it.
Speaker 2: Says there were moments where the lines between government ops
Speaker 2: and alien contact blurred. Were humans using alien tech or
Speaker 2: were the aliens masquerading as military personnel. Either way, Whitley
Speaker 2: became convinced the government knows more than it's saying, and
Speaker 2: communion the book may have been kind of been a
Speaker 2: kind of litmus test for soft disclosure.
Speaker 3: Okay, you never know, dude, you never know.
Speaker 2: So then it gets into symbolism, consciousness and the apocalypse.
Speaker 3: Whoa so.
Speaker 2: In his later years, Strieber's story took on a deeply
Speaker 2: mystical tone. He talked about the visitors in the same
Speaker 2: breath as angels, demons, and archetypes from Youngian psychology Carl Jung.
Speaker 2: He claimed that they were showing him visions of the future,
Speaker 2: environmental collapse, war, and thinning of the veil between worlds.
Speaker 2: He explored the idea of death as a doorway, and
Speaker 2: that the visitors might be gatekeepers or guides between dimensions.
Speaker 2: Whitley often said that these things or these beings were
Speaker 2: not just teaching him, they were changing him. That contact
Speaker 2: was a form of initiation into a greater reality. His
Speaker 2: work began to center on the idea of human transformation.
Speaker 2: That these contacts, terrifying as they are, are about awakening
Speaker 2: the soul. We're not just being visited, We're being confronted
Speaker 2: with our own potential and unknown consequences of ignoring it.
Speaker 3: This is how I would imagine.
Speaker 2: The a in contact would happen if they are interdimensional.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not talking about the physical ones. Maybe
Speaker 2: they can fucking manifest themselves in the physical reality if
Speaker 2: they are interdimensional. I don't know, I'm still learning all
Speaker 2: this shit, but I would imagine if you're talking about
Speaker 2: interdimensional shit, especially if it's coming from you know, we
Speaker 2: talked about string theory and all these different dimensions and
Speaker 2: the capabilities of what you have with these other types
Speaker 2: of dimensions, I would imagine that it would be something
Speaker 2: so foreign. The concept of whatever they're here to do
Speaker 2: or whatever they're trying to teach us so foreign to
Speaker 2: us that it sounds sci fi, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 2: it sounds so far out there. We would think, because
Speaker 2: we live in this materialistic kind of physical reality, which
Speaker 2: we actually don't.
Speaker 3: We just think we do.
Speaker 2: But we would think, coming from this reality, well, they
Speaker 2: must be coming here to mind gold, they must be
Speaker 2: coming here to mind insects. They must be coming here
Speaker 2: to mind fucking organs or something like that. But I
Speaker 2: don't think that it's necessarily materialistic like that, especially if
Speaker 2: you're coming from higher dimension, because what the fuck are
Speaker 2: you gonna do with a human liver on the sixth dimension?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: That's that's been my big thing. I'm not saying that
Speaker 4: they're here for gold. I'm not one of those people,
Speaker 4: or water, or whatever the case is. I'm saying, if
Speaker 4: these beings are operating in another dimension, like literally on
Speaker 4: top of our own, but we can't see them, why
Speaker 4: would they be making themselves known to us. I cannot
Speaker 4: imagine a world where they're doing this to better us.
Speaker 4: I can't necessarily imagine a world where they're coming here
Speaker 4: just to fuck our shit up because they hate us either.
Speaker 4: I'm saying that they would have to have a purpose.
Speaker 4: There would need to be a point, right, and we
Speaker 4: may not have the faculties to understand what that point
Speaker 4: might be.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, I feel that same thing.
Speaker 2: We don't know, you know, it could be something so foreign,
Speaker 2: Like think about it, like I know that some people
Speaker 2: will look at dreams or meditations or psychedelic experiences as
Speaker 2: if as if it's just the mind. That's what the
Speaker 2: mind does. You know, it's just filtering in information. And
Speaker 2: that's why you saw that fucking purple flying elephant in
Speaker 2: this dream. You know, that's just your that's your that's
Speaker 2: your mind on meditation or on drugs or whatever. Right,
Speaker 2: But what if it's not, Like what if we just
Speaker 2: fucking don't get it yet, Like, who's to.
Speaker 3: Say that we have it all figured out? Think about it.
Speaker 3: Science is always evolving. What was it you know they
Speaker 3: used to think the fucking earth was flat? Some people
Speaker 3: still do? You know? Like they used to what was
Speaker 3: it called? They would drill into the fucking head to
Speaker 3: alleviate demons or to get rid of demons? What was
Speaker 3: that called?
Speaker 5: Oh, you're talking about the botomy.
Speaker 3: Lobotomy, dude, that was being performed in the fucking nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the other thing had just stopped doing it in
Speaker 4: like the late sixties, dude, secure gayness.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and and to get rid of demons, and you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like that was not that long ago.
Speaker 2: So just to imagine that we have it all figured out,
Speaker 2: there's no fucking way.
Speaker 4: So let's say one of these entities and once they
Speaker 4: like gets unleashed and everything. Everybody now knows that aliens exist, right,
Speaker 4: and we don't speak their language, so we just assume
Speaker 4: they come from another planet or another dimension or something.
Speaker 4: We can acknowledge that something not from here is now
Speaker 4: manifesting itself physically. We can see them all it's an
Speaker 4: understood thing across the world. Whatever they're about to ask
Speaker 4: for next or whatever, is the thing that they keep
Speaker 4: like going towards.
Speaker 3: Is it human beings?
Speaker 5: Is it for some reason like house cats?
Speaker 4: For whatever reason, they just like they want all of
Speaker 4: the house cats on their shit.
Speaker 5: We might be inclined to believe that they're eating them.
Speaker 4: We might be inclined to believe that maybe they're like
Speaker 4: worshiping them in some way. Maybe there's so many things
Speaker 4: that could be, but like we don't know why, because
Speaker 4: possibly we can only see so many colors on the
Speaker 4: entirety of the color spectrum. Okay, these science that these people,
Speaker 4: all these entities excuse me, are operating under is something
Speaker 4: that I don't think we even have the mental bandwidth
Speaker 4: to conceptually get, like even as an abstract concept, you
Speaker 4: see what I'm saying. So to say that they're talking
Speaker 4: to human beings, I don't inherently think that they're coming
Speaker 4: here to destroy mankind. I equally don't believe they would
Speaker 4: be coming here to better mankind either, But again I
Speaker 4: don't know either of those to be a fact.
Speaker 3: I mean it could be.
Speaker 2: I mean, we look at certain secret societies and We're like,
Speaker 2: you know what, they're fucking crazy. They believe in a
Speaker 2: lot of wild shit.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: You got the Freemasons believe in a grand architect. You
Speaker 2: got some secret societies that are are are doing like
Speaker 2: blood letting and blood magic and stuff like that, and
Speaker 2: we just look at them like they're evil or they're crazy.
Speaker 2: But I mean, what if there's actually I'm not suggesting
Speaker 2: people do fucking blood magic or anything like that, but
Speaker 2: what if there's something even deeper to all of that,
Speaker 2: you know, like what if there's something deeper to prayer?
Speaker 2: And what if there's something deep to meditation, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like just because we can't see it,
Speaker 2: and maybe because we can't even sense it's you know wholeheartedly,
Speaker 2: but what if there's something really extra, really going on
Speaker 2: there that I don't know. I just I think about
Speaker 2: all this kind of stuff, and I wonder about all
Speaker 2: the crazy wonders of the world, like how the fuck
Speaker 2: did the pyramids get here?
Speaker 3: Nobody knows, nobody has any answers. You know. I know
Speaker 3: that some people think it's just a pile of rocks,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: Situated have the blueprints and the architects that design them.
Speaker 4: Some people have no fucking clue, dude.
Speaker 2: You listen to that fucking asshole that Zahi Hawas or
Speaker 2: some shit on the chemist clips.
Speaker 4: I haven't watched any of them, but I keep seeing
Speaker 4: clips of this guy talking to Rogan and apparently he
Speaker 4: is getting fucking flayed alive on the internet right now.
Speaker 5: Now, what did he do?
Speaker 2: He's a fucking moron. A he's essentially the Egyptian Pyramid
Speaker 2: gatekeeper to a lot of the information. A lot like uh,
Speaker 2: I guess, a lot of the artifacts and a lot
Speaker 2: of the findings are very like hush hush, and they
Speaker 2: don't want to talk about it, such as certain chambers
Speaker 2: and certain you know, burial grounds and certain uh tunnels.
Speaker 3: And you know, like weird things.
Speaker 2: Dude, they don't even fucking let people go over there
Speaker 2: and like inspect a lot of these things, like nobody's
Speaker 2: allowed to even fucking really come close, like even we're
Speaker 2: talking about like even uh like radar technology or satellite technology.
Speaker 3: They don't want him being touched.
Speaker 2: And this guy is seeming like some kind of gatekeeper,
Speaker 2: and he believes, oh, it was just the slaves that
Speaker 2: build him. You know, it was just fucking idiots that
Speaker 2: were somehow to new, somehow nude to to make these
Speaker 2: exact dimensions and line them up perfectly with Orion's belt.
Speaker 2: And they were just slaves. They didn't know anything. And
Speaker 2: it's like, dude, this guy is essentially he's the Neil
Speaker 2: Degrass tyson of Egypt bro Like that's that's really what
Speaker 2: he is. Like you want to talk about somebody who
Speaker 2: thinks that he fucking knows it all?
Speaker 3: Who you know?
Speaker 2: Damn well, he knows more. But he's just some kind
Speaker 2: of puppet, you know what I mean? Like, that's that's
Speaker 2: what I get from them.
Speaker 4: I mean to say that they were idiots that were
Speaker 4: building it. Does he mean like the actual grunt labor
Speaker 4: force that was cutting the stones and was moving them
Speaker 4: from point A to point B were idiots? Or is
Speaker 4: he saying that even the designers were just kind of
Speaker 4: like guestimating and figured it out to this level, Because
Speaker 4: I mean, I got a cop problems with that.
Speaker 3: I'll see now, Okay, if.
Speaker 4: You're talking about like the grunt labor force that was
Speaker 4: just moving the rocks from point A to point B,
Speaker 4: they didn't know what they were doing. They were just
Speaker 4: following orders at the behest of the do with the
Speaker 4: whip in there in his hand. Okay, I could at
Speaker 4: least see what you're trying to say there. To say
Speaker 4: that the architect and the designers of those structures were
Speaker 4: clueless is preposterous to me, There's no way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you got people like that that are
Speaker 2: ultimately in some kind of control, and there's not a
Speaker 2: lot of information that's allowed to be let out. You know,
Speaker 2: it's almost like a Vatican Library type of situation, Like
Speaker 2: why is it that so much information is not allowed
Speaker 2: for public eyes and everything? And if you really think
Speaker 2: about it, it's the same now as it always been.
Speaker 2: You know, there's always been information that's that's been hidden,
Speaker 2: and there's always people who are allowed to or the
Speaker 2: initiated or the only ones that are allowed to get
Speaker 2: to this kind of information. It's just nowadays we call
Speaker 2: them experts. You know, it used to be called they
Speaker 2: used to be called masters and fucking initiated ones and
Speaker 2: or or gurus or mystics or fucking rabbis or whatever.
Speaker 2: Nowadays they're just called experts.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: It's the same shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I mean, you don't all have to take
Speaker 4: keepers inform entire life to these things. Either to become
Speaker 4: an Egyptologist, you just have to like go to school
Speaker 4: and study Egyptian like historicity. You don't have to like
Speaker 4: dedicate a portion of your life and do a blood
Speaker 4: sacrifice and join the occult and all these things. It's
Speaker 4: not like secret knowledge. You could just go to school
Speaker 4: for long enough and you are one kind of thing.
Speaker 2: I will see going to school distinction. Going to school
Speaker 2: for four to ten years. Is that not still some
Speaker 2: kind of sacrifice.
Speaker 4: I got a sacrifice and a regard, but not like
Speaker 4: these like mystery schools used to require their postulates and
Speaker 4: things like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no I mean it more so back
Speaker 2: like back then, you know, there wasn't a lot of
Speaker 2: people that could read, and so you would have like
Speaker 2: one you know, uh elder in the community that would
Speaker 2: relay all this information and maybe he would give the
Speaker 2: whole story. Maybe he would kind of tell it pair
Speaker 2: you know, uh, parabolically or paradoxically or whatever or paraboli
Speaker 2: parable fucking imparables, you know what I mean? Yeah, And
Speaker 2: you know, I just think that there there's always been
Speaker 2: gatekeepers information and right now it's no different. But anyway,
Speaker 2: I don't want to spend too much on that fucking
Speaker 2: hawas s guy becaus fuck him. So we're gonna go
Speaker 2: a little bit more here as far as so to
Speaker 2: do all right, so his legacy. So today, Whitley Streeber
Speaker 2: continues to speak and write. He runs a podcast called Dreamland,
Speaker 2: where he interviews experiencers, scientists, and mystics about the nature
Speaker 2: of contact and reality. He's older, now, more reflective and
Speaker 2: openly spiritual. He no longer tries to prove that the
Speaker 2: visitors exist. He knows what happened to him, and that's enough.
Speaker 2: His books, especially Communion, became a call turning point. They
Speaker 2: gave a voice to the silent experiencers, the abductees, the
Speaker 2: people who who saw beyond the veil. Whitley often says,
Speaker 2: it's not about them, it's about us, what we're becoming.
Speaker 2: Whether he's a prophet or a victim or a mystic
Speaker 2: who touched something most of us never will, his story
Speaker 2: has left a permanent mark on the conspiracy world and
Speaker 2: the UFO lore. And maybe, just maybe the visitors are
Speaker 2: still watching, still waiting, and the next step in human
Speaker 2: evolution might already be underway. So that's more of an overview.
Speaker 2: Now we're going to go into a little bit more
Speaker 2: about his books, but first I want to get into
Speaker 2: what happened exactly, step first step that night, December twenty sixth,
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five. We kind of had an overlay, but
Speaker 2: let's hear the actual story, you know, as if as
Speaker 2: if we're there, as if we're a fly on the wall.
Speaker 5: Let's find out a picture. Dot's let's go there.
Speaker 2: So Whitley, his wife Anne, and their son were spending
Speaker 2: the holidays at their rural cabin. The area was remote,
Speaker 2: heavily wooded, and silent, ideal for peaceful, a peaceful winter retreat.
Speaker 2: He recalls a normal evening dinner, reading and heading to
Speaker 2: bed around eleven pm, But shortly after midnight everything changed.
Speaker 2: Whillie woke up suddenly to a strange noise, a mechanical
Speaker 2: whooshing sound, almost like wind, but oddly artificial. He became
Speaker 2: instantly alert, sensing that something was in the house. At
Speaker 2: first he suspected an intruder. He grabbed a flashlight and
Speaker 2: started down the hallway, but then his memory cuts out.
Speaker 2: He would later recall under hypnosis that he was frozen
Speaker 2: in place before even reaching the door. That's exactly what
Speaker 2: Chris Junior Bledsoe fucking went through dude.
Speaker 4: Wow, So it wasn't sleep brolysis. He was going towards
Speaker 4: the door and got stuck, so to speak.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, almost like a frozen like raid in time.
Speaker 2: And this is something that so whenever when the whole
Speaker 2: story with Chris Bledsoe and how these like are parallel
Speaker 2: in a sense, is that Chris Bledsoe, they were all
Speaker 2: like out on some kind of work gig right, I
Speaker 2: think there were longers or they were doing something out there,
Speaker 2: some kind of carpentry or something. And so they went
Speaker 2: out into the woods and they were gonna go fishing.
Speaker 2: So they go out fishing, and Chris Bledsoe and they
Speaker 2: built like a bonfire and everything. Chris Bledsoe, he happened
Speaker 2: to just go take a little gander, just a little
Speaker 2: walk through the woods, and the next thing you know,
Speaker 2: he's being visited and he's being fucking taken. And he
Speaker 2: didn't remember most of it until he had to go
Speaker 2: through under hypnosis to try and remember all that missing
Speaker 2: time because he thought that only fifteen twenty minutes had passed.
Speaker 2: But whenever he came back to it was dark outside.
Speaker 2: You know, he went back to the fire where everybody
Speaker 2: else was, and nobody was really there. His son went
Speaker 2: to go looking for him, and then you find out
Speaker 2: that his son while he was looking for him. I
Speaker 2: guess his son was looking for him for like a
Speaker 2: couple of hours. But then his son comes up on
Speaker 2: this alien, right, and this alien fucking freezes him in time,
Speaker 2: like literally, he's aware, like he sees what's going on.
Speaker 2: He can't move, he can't speak, he can't do anything.
Speaker 2: And what Chris Senor says is that the aliens basically
Speaker 2: froze him there in time to protect him, to keep
Speaker 2: him from going anywhere farther, maybe from animals or maybe
Speaker 2: from getting lost or whatever. They almost wanted to keep
Speaker 2: him there, frozen, to protect him so that whenever his
Speaker 2: dad got back, he'd be able to find him and
Speaker 2: he'd be safe and everything. But it's just wild how
Speaker 2: these stories parallel like that. But so then the visitors appear.
Speaker 2: He was suddenly paralyzed, not just unable to move, but
Speaker 2: mentally frozen, as if time had paused. We're back on
Speaker 2: Wheey Streamers story.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: He remembers seeing a small figure in the doorway, something
Speaker 2: non human with a large head, dark eyes and a
Speaker 2: tight grayish suit. Then more of them appeared different types.
Speaker 2: One was short, robotic or insect like. Another one was tall,
Speaker 2: with a spindly frame, almond shape, black eyes, and pale,
Speaker 2: waxy skin the now icon gray alien as most people
Speaker 2: would know. One entity had wrinkled bluish skin, almost resembling
Speaker 2: an old man. These beings took him, not physically dragged him,
Speaker 2: but somehow floated him out of the cabin through the air.
Speaker 2: Whoa little levitation ship going on here?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: His memory out of the of the cabin blacks out
Speaker 2: completely after that moment. Then there is It says that
Speaker 2: he came. He came to in what he described as
Speaker 2: a metallic room, dome shaped and glowing faintly. He was
Speaker 2: naked in this room, in this chamber, so he so
Speaker 2: he calls it.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 2: He was naked, cold and lying on a hard surface.
Speaker 2: Sounds kind of surgical, right, Yeah. He was strapped down
Speaker 2: or immobilized by some unseen force. The entities moved around him,
Speaker 2: observing and examining him in a clinical, detached way. He
Speaker 2: recalls a long needle like object being inserted into his
Speaker 2: head near the temple. It caused a sharp jarring pain
Speaker 2: that he later said felt as if it penetrated into
Speaker 2: his mind. One being with hypnotic black eyes leaning close
Speaker 2: to him, conveying complex thoughts telepathically, but their language was alien,
Speaker 2: so it was hard to grasp. Another entity inserted something.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, another antity inserted something into his rectum. There
Speaker 2: we go an experience that left him humiliated, violated, and
Speaker 2: psychologically shattered as it would right, damn, I didn't know
Speaker 2: there was butt stuff involved in the story.
Speaker 4: So we got a temple injection for lack of better words,
Speaker 4: and a anal probing, and we're just getting started from
Speaker 4: what I get the gist of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, baby.
Speaker 2: So when the encounter ended, he was back in his cabin,
Speaker 2: but not in his bed. He was sitting upright in
Speaker 2: the living room, disoriented and confused. The fire had gone out,
Speaker 2: the house was freezing, and it was nearly it was
Speaker 2: early morning. At first, he rationalized it maybe I just
Speaker 2: had a nightmare, maybe I sleepwalked. But over the following days,
Speaker 2: pieces of memory leaked through flashbulb images, emotional flashbacks in
Speaker 2: a growing sense that something real had occurred. He began
Speaker 2: to experience night terrors and walking and waking visions, symptoms
Speaker 2: like bruises, a bloody nose, and a small circular wound
Speaker 2: on his head, an overwhelming fear of the night sky.
Speaker 4: Now I haven't heard anything about the chip behind his
Speaker 4: ear just yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna get there. We're gonna get there. There's there's.
Speaker 2: This is a deep story, dude, and I love that's
Speaker 2: the thing, dude, If you're making up a fucking story
Speaker 2: to be so detailed about all this kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, Like, I mean, it's sure, it's possible, but
Speaker 2: like either one, this guy has a crazy fucking imagination,
Speaker 2: which he does.
Speaker 3: He is an author of horror books, you know.
Speaker 2: But wouldn't that be the perfect mind and the perfect
Speaker 2: type of human to operate rate and fuck with. I'm
Speaker 2: not fuck with, but initiate.
Speaker 4: Almost possibly, And I'm not I don't want to start
Speaker 4: going on the whole like trying to call the shade
Speaker 4: or call the bullshit before we get the whole story here.
Speaker 4: But I mean, HP Lovecraft very similarly was a sci
Speaker 4: fi writer who started religion. Everybody's like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: who else would be better to relay this information? And
Speaker 4: it's like, uh, probably not a sci fi writer. Well,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you something that I don't know if this
Speaker 2: does anything for you. But all of his books and
Speaker 2: all of his screenwritings and everything before, they were always
Speaker 2: labeled as fiction.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: Whenever he created this Communion book, the first one it
Speaker 2: was labeled it was his first book that was nonfiction.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's up to the author to list it
Speaker 4: as one versus the other. It's not like that goes
Speaker 4: before a border of review to fact check.
Speaker 2: Things, right, But typically whenever it's nonfiction, you don't fluff
Speaker 2: it up at all, even you know fair. It's like
Speaker 2: usually the experience, the emotions that were felt, everything that
Speaker 2: was taken from it, You're not like turning it into
Speaker 2: some kind of fantasy.
Speaker 3: It's like as it was.
Speaker 4: I don't want to believe that this guy is making
Speaker 4: this shit up. I want to believe that well except
Speaker 4: for the anal probing, of course, I want to believe
Speaker 4: that his experience is genuine.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to be the skeptic at this moment.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be completely.
Speaker 5: Forth right here. As of this very.
Speaker 4: Moment, I'm going at this like there's no bullshit detected.
Speaker 4: We are one hundred percent with him on this. The
Speaker 4: story is as he says, it happened. I'm here, brother.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's still there's still more to it, so we
Speaker 2: haven't come full circle just yet. So so, yeah, he
Speaker 2: was experiencing all those crazy things, night terrors, circular wounds
Speaker 2: on his head, and then he had some weird, overwhelming
Speaker 2: fear of the night sky. Then he gets into the regression.
Speaker 2: So those are all the things that he was he
Speaker 2: could remember up until the point, and this is where
Speaker 2: we get into the regression here. So he goes under
Speaker 2: a regression hypnosis dreamer. He eventually turned to hypnotherapy, which
Speaker 2: unlocked even more memories.
Speaker 3: Of that night, as they usually do.
Speaker 2: The feeling of helplessness of being treated as a specimen,
Speaker 2: the moment of psychic intrusion when the beings accessed his
Speaker 2: thoughts and implanted alien images or codes, The realization that
Speaker 2: this wasn't the first time that he had encountered them,
Speaker 2: he had been taken before, possibly as a child. Wow, okay,
Speaker 2: uh what shook him the most?
Speaker 3: Wait? Possibly as a child.
Speaker 4: I feel like that's kind of a big detail to
Speaker 4: bring up in the beginning, Or it is more like
Speaker 4: he might have thought it was a dream or something
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Possibly.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing, like how these things a lot
Speaker 2: of people, how they describe these stories is that it's
Speaker 2: so out of this world that it has to be
Speaker 2: like what frame of reference do you put it in?
Speaker 3: You know, like, especially as a little kid, you.
Speaker 2: Don't even fucking know what reality is yet, you know,
Speaker 2: Like that's why I do. Whenever I was little, I
Speaker 2: used to believe that, like what what Matilda could do
Speaker 2: was real, that that was something that that could absolutely happen,
Speaker 2: you know, Like I watched that movie when I was
Speaker 2: like five years old. I was like, dude, I was
Speaker 2: fucking trying to do it and trying to move things
Speaker 2: with my mind and all that shit, which I will
Speaker 2: be learning telekinesis before we go to bro Gove.
Speaker 3: Go to bro Grove.
Speaker 2: Dot com to go get your tickets and join us
Speaker 2: in Florida, June twentieth and twenty first. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: a fucking banger fest, and we're gonna be talking about
Speaker 2: all aliens.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be bringing up fucking experiencers, We're gonna be
Speaker 2: bringing up researchers.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a full on alien night. It's going
Speaker 3: to get crazy.
Speaker 2: So if you love that type of shit, come check
Speaker 2: us out at bro Grove dot com and go get
Speaker 2: your tickets. If not, then hey, you can always just
Speaker 2: come hang out with us after the show. I mean
Speaker 2: we're good either way. We're gonna be hanging out with
Speaker 2: Matt Rife and all the good cult members out there.
Speaker 2: So you want to come hang out, do whatever you can,
Speaker 2: get a babysitter, you know, tell your job to go
Speaker 2: fuck itself for a weekend and come hang out at
Speaker 2: bro Grove with your good cult members.
Speaker 4: Okay, indeed, indeed, for the record, that's Brohmian, not Bohemian.
Speaker 3: We keep seeing comments of people that do not get
Speaker 3: what this is.
Speaker 4: Look go to Brogrove dot com and it will make
Speaker 4: a lot more sense to you. While you're there, check
Speaker 4: out the availability of the tickets.
Speaker 2: All right, that's all we're saying, Yes, yes, and there's
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of amazing people there, Like we're
Speaker 2: we're just like a piece of the pie, and probably
Speaker 2: even a small sliver of the pie, not even big
Speaker 2: pieces of.
Speaker 3: The that are gonna be going there.
Speaker 2: But not to not to tear us down by any means,
Speaker 2: because what we're gonna bring is fucking awesome too. So
Speaker 2: fuck yeah, definitely go check out brogrove dot com, especially
Speaker 2: if you live in Florida or their surrounding states.
Speaker 3: Dude, we got is steph She's flying from Arizona.
Speaker 2: Dude, that's across the idea of contry flying over there.
Speaker 3: That's a true cult member.
Speaker 2: Be it be a Stephanie. Okay, be a Stephanie with
Speaker 2: that third eye all the way open. Distance ain't no
Speaker 2: thing when your third eye is all the way open anyway, Okay,
Speaker 2: it's all just illusion, but anyway, all right, So now
Speaker 2: we get to the emotional fallout. So what shook him
Speaker 2: the most was not just the violation, but the spiritual dimension.
Speaker 2: Despite the trauma, he had a deep, unsettling sense of familiarity.
Speaker 2: It felt as though the beings had always been there,
Speaker 2: just beyond the veil of awareness. They were not merely
Speaker 2: scientific observers. They were architects of something of some deeper mystery,
Speaker 2: interacting with his soul, not just his body, he would
Speaker 2: later write.
Speaker 3: They were not human. He would hear anything. I don't
Speaker 3: know what the fuck that was.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's outside, I don't know, he would later write
Speaker 2: in his quotes, they were not human, but they were
Speaker 2: also not monsters. They were other and they had been
Speaker 2: with me perhaps all my life.
Speaker 3: That's his experience. You know.
Speaker 2: From starting to finish, we're going to get into a
Speaker 2: little bit more of his book books also, because that's
Speaker 2: going to take us even deeper. There's so many breadcrumbs
Speaker 2: to this story and it's going to be hard to
Speaker 2: try and piece it all together to really get a good,
Speaker 2: you know, foundational understanding.
Speaker 3: Is this guy a grifter? Is it a true story?
Speaker 2: I'll say, you know, I kind of I've always heard
Speaker 2: about this story, you know, you always hear about the
Speaker 2: name Whitley Streeber and all the books that he wrote,
Speaker 2: and you know, all the research that he's done and everything,
Speaker 2: but I never dove into it like to this depth.
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm learning even now with all the good
Speaker 2: cult members out there. So this is I mean, I
Speaker 2: find it fascinating. But so let's get into the first
Speaker 2: book that he writes in nineteen eighty seven called Communion. Okay,
Speaker 2: you heard him talking about it earlier in the video
Speaker 2: with Danny Jones, So we're gonna dive into that book
Speaker 2: a little bit here. So the first part it talks about.
Speaker 2: In the beginning of the book, it talks about the
Speaker 2: actual abduction experience. So Communion begins with Whitley Strieber's shocking
Speaker 2: personal account of an alleged abduction from his remote in
Speaker 2: Upstate New York on the night of December twenty sixth,
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five. He describes waking up paralyzed, encountering non
Speaker 2: human entities, and undergoing bizarre invasive procedures. The experience leaves
Speaker 2: him confused, terrified, and questioning his sanity. Much of the
Speaker 2: early book centers on his attempt to make sense of
Speaker 2: the incident, including his exploration of hypnosis to recover fragmented memories.
Speaker 2: This initial encounter becomes the catalyst for a broader investigation
Speaker 2: into what really happened and whether these beings were extraterrestrial, interdimensional,
Speaker 2: or something even stranger. Then the book goes into the
Speaker 2: trauma and the transformation. So Streebird does not simply present
Speaker 2: his story as a UFO encounter. He treats it like
Speaker 2: a psychological and spiritual wound. Almost the book is written
Speaker 2: with an intensely personal tone, folks, focusing on the emotional
Speaker 2: and existential fallout of the event. He discusses feelings of violation, fear,
Speaker 2: and isolation, describing how the experiences shattered his sense of
Speaker 2: reality through ongoing encounters and dreamlike memories. Streeber begins to
Speaker 2: suspect that his contact with these entities didn't begin that night.
Speaker 2: He had been but they had been happening since childhood.
Speaker 2: He compares the abduction not to scientific study, but to
Speaker 2: an ancient form of initiation or spiritual awakening, one that
Speaker 2: strips away the ego. Nextly we get into the further
Speaker 2: deeper you get into the book. He's describing the visitors
Speaker 2: as he calls them. The entities Streeber describes are not
Speaker 2: limited to the popular grays of UFO lore. While the
Speaker 2: cover art of Communion features a classic gray alien, his
Speaker 2: encounter involves a variety of beings, some with insect like features,
Speaker 2: others mechanical or humanoid. These visitors, as he calls them,
Speaker 2: seem to operate on the broader, or on the border,
Speaker 2: between physical and metaphysical reality. They use telepathy, time distortion,
Speaker 2: and often cloak themselves in screen memories to mask their presence.
Speaker 2: Streeber never definitively claims that they are aliens. Instead, he
Speaker 2: explores the possibility that they may be spiritual beings, ultradimensional intelligences,
Speaker 2: or even aspects of human consciousness itself.
Speaker 3: Fuck, I love that. I hope that that's what it is.
Speaker 2: Like I prefer this story over the physical they're from
Speaker 2: Mars story, Like this is like way deeper kind of shit,
Speaker 2: Like I mean.
Speaker 4: Especually, I disagree with that, but I mean I'm good
Speaker 4: with them either way. You know, I think both could
Speaker 4: very well be happening at the same time, interdimensional and interplanetary.
Speaker 4: Maybe they're one and the same. Maybe they are completely
Speaker 4: separate entities altogether.
Speaker 3: I don't know, So interplanetary is more interesting to you
Speaker 3: than interdimensional.
Speaker 4: I put them both in the same category, like as
Speaker 4: far as like how cool they are, how interesting they
Speaker 4: are all that, Like not from Mars, obviously, right that
Speaker 4: that sounds fucking preposterous. But to say that a living
Speaker 4: entity got here from two galaxies away in some way,
Speaker 4: shape or form, and they bringing themselves here to Earth
Speaker 4: to establish communication with the human race, that is fascinating
Speaker 4: interesting all that stuff to me. Same time, to say
Speaker 4: that this is a seventh dimensional entity that is making
Speaker 4: itself known to us three dimensional plebs over here is
Speaker 4: equally like?
Speaker 3: Bro what like?
Speaker 5: Both sound cool as.
Speaker 3: Hell to me.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying ones more or less than the other.
Speaker 4: It's just you know, me and you have very different
Speaker 4: perspectives on reality, so I could see why one would
Speaker 4: seem more appealing to you versus one over mine.
Speaker 2: That's all which is I find it fascinating because a
Speaker 2: lot of people will come to their conclusion as to
Speaker 2: what aliens are and where they come from, mainly based
Speaker 2: upon their own personal experiences. Now, you never witnessed an
Speaker 2: alien per se, but you did witness a being that
Speaker 2: was a nine angel that was absolutely not from a planet,
Speaker 2: right right, So it would be more in the dimensional
Speaker 2: than it would be the physical planet. I mean, call
Speaker 2: it dimensional, call it Heaven, call it Hell, whatever I mean.
Speaker 2: Let's just say that Heaven and Hell are more like
Speaker 2: dimensional places than they would be physical places.
Speaker 3: Would you disagree with that?
Speaker 4: I don't know if I necessarily agree or disagree with
Speaker 4: that statement.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 4: Could it be that Heaven is another dimension overlaid on
Speaker 4: top of ours that we can't see.
Speaker 5: I understand the talking point. I don't necessarily agree with that.
Speaker 4: I also don't necessarily agree with Hell being at the
Speaker 4: center of the Earth with all the magma, Like, I
Speaker 4: don't necessarily agree or disagree with either of those points, right,
Speaker 4: But I also don't believe that my experience of what
Speaker 4: I saw and and all of the things came from
Speaker 4: a different planet.
Speaker 3: Not at all. It's more preposterous.
Speaker 2: It's well, I'm sorry, it's so it's more preposteros that
Speaker 2: they would come from a planet, that then it would
Speaker 2: be from a dimension. Speaking on the demon and the angel, right, Like,
Speaker 2: it would be more believable if they came from a
Speaker 2: dimension than a planet, I guess, is what I'm trying
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could see it being more believable, But I
Speaker 4: still don't necessarily get down with that. I don't, And
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that just because I'm being the stick
Speaker 4: in the mud here. I'm saying that I don't. I
Speaker 4: don't fully get down with the theory that Hell is
Speaker 4: a dimension and that Heaven is a dimension. I don't
Speaker 4: disbelieve them. I just don't like throw my lot in
Speaker 4: with that one, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But let's just say that it's not even disregard the places,
Speaker 2: but the beings. You know, call them angels, demons in
Speaker 2: your in your circumstance, you know, Like now, I just
Speaker 2: wonder how they would get here.
Speaker 4: I think they're always here personally. I And again, I'm
Speaker 4: not trying to make this religious.
Speaker 2: Episode, no, no, no, I'm just genuinely curious how you
Speaker 2: look at it.
Speaker 4: I see this as there is a spiritual warfare going
Speaker 4: around us at all times right now.
Speaker 5: There could very well be an angel in my studio
Speaker 5: with me.
Speaker 4: Right now, as well as there could be a demon
Speaker 4: in my studio with me as we speak right at
Speaker 4: all times, there is a greater than zero percent chance
Speaker 4: that there is something else of that nature in the
Speaker 4: room with you now. Most ninety nine point nine nine
Speaker 4: nine percent of the time, these entities will never let
Speaker 4: themselves be known to you, right, They're never gonna show themselves.
Speaker 5: They're never gonna let you hear their voice or whatever.
Speaker 4: Sometimes they may choose to, And there's usually a reason
Speaker 4: for that, right, And we don't know that reason until
Speaker 4: way after the fact and we look back on it
Speaker 4: and realize, oh, that's what that was for whatever the
Speaker 4: case is. But I believe that at all times there
Speaker 4: is not just the dochotomy of good and evil ying
Speaker 4: Yang conversation. I believe there's actual warfare, actual fighting going
Speaker 4: on on the spiritual front around us at all times,
Speaker 4: so I don't see it as necessarily the other dimensional.
Speaker 2: So how do you separate that though, because exactly what
Speaker 2: you're saying is what people would describe as dimensional overlays
Speaker 2: on top of this reality.
Speaker 5: It's the same concept.
Speaker 4: Remember when we talked about flat Land, right, It's not
Speaker 4: like the three dimensional world was happening on top of
Speaker 4: the two dimensional world. Okay, it was the three dimensional
Speaker 4: shape came to flat Land and made itself present to them.
Speaker 4: He took the two dimensional object and brought it into
Speaker 4: the three dimensional realm. It was a whole different place,
Speaker 4: a whole different world, not stacked on top of each other,
Speaker 4: completely separate locations. I believe that that's more likely the case. Now,
Speaker 4: how do you jump from dimension to dimension? I believe
Speaker 4: that that's more in a lone of like wormholes possibly
Speaker 4: or tearing through the fabric of time and space. Which
Speaker 4: is why I believe that if just personally Jacob speaking
Speaker 4: on be half of Jacob, let's say that there is
Speaker 4: a extraterrestrial life form living and not necessarily eating oxygen,
Speaker 4: but by all senses of what we would call living
Speaker 4: a life on another planet two three, five galaxies away
Speaker 4: and they are jumping here. Maybe they have developed how
Speaker 4: to travel at light speed. Maybe maybe it's more likely
Speaker 4: to me personally that they have found a way to
Speaker 4: tear through the fabric of time and space and basically
Speaker 4: teleport from point A to point B.
Speaker 5: But there's still a physical entity.
Speaker 3: Still living in the third dimension.
Speaker 4: Yes, Now, does that mean that they are able to
Speaker 4: step into the fourth dimension for travel, because that fourth
Speaker 4: dimensional would be time, so they're able to step into
Speaker 4: and out of it. And maybe that's a whole Maybe
Speaker 4: that's a technological thing that they've broken the veil on.
Speaker 4: I see that as a possibility, But per just my
Speaker 4: personal beliefs, Angels, demons, God, the Devil, Heaven, Hell, all
Speaker 4: that is completely separate from the dimensional conversation. Like I
Speaker 4: don't believe that God resides in the tenth dimension. I
Speaker 4: believe he created all of the dimensions tenth included.
Speaker 2: Okay, and that's in outside of the dimensions. Angels and
Speaker 2: demons would also live outside of those dimensions that God created.
Speaker 4: Yes, Now, are they able to jump into an out
Speaker 4: of them as they see fit to do their bidding.
Speaker 4: That God or the devil or whatever has told them, yes,
Speaker 4: one hundred percent, they can do whatever the fuck they want. Right,
Speaker 4: they have free will, Otherwise they wouldn't have chose to
Speaker 4: rebel all the things like, that's a whole philosophical hypothe
Speaker 4: got a conversation. I'm with you, but it's kind of
Speaker 4: the same concept. I'll talk to you like the video game.
Speaker 4: Let's say, all this is a matrix, right, Everything from
Speaker 4: the first dimension all the way the tenth dimension is
Speaker 4: all a part of the computer program. We just happen
Speaker 4: to find ourselves on level three. Just for the sake
Speaker 4: of this conversation. The programmer and all of his IT
Speaker 4: texts are outside of the program. They can jump in
Speaker 4: at level eight to rewrite some code. They can jump
Speaker 4: in at level three our dimension and tell somebody, Hey,
Speaker 4: you need to act this way, or you're fucking this up,
Speaker 4: or hey, I need to collect some data from you.
Speaker 5: I e anal p, I eat this who knows who knows?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: But they're able to jump in and out of because
Speaker 4: they are removed from yet able to go into the program.
Speaker 4: I see that as more of a and this is
Speaker 4: just my own understanding. I think that's more along the
Speaker 4: lines of how angels, demons, God, Satan all that plays
Speaker 4: into our physical existence.
Speaker 2: Okay, No, that's understandable. I guess I was just thinking.
Speaker 2: And it's always fun to get like different perspectives like that,
Speaker 2: because you know, if you stay only in your perspective
Speaker 2: and you think you know everything, then it almost becomes
Speaker 2: an echo chamber and you never really learn anything or
Speaker 2: different perspectives to even be able to balance up against
Speaker 2: other perspectives, you know.
Speaker 3: So I think that's important.
Speaker 2: But just a question though, whenever they talk about and
Speaker 2: this is I'm not I'm not going religious here, that's
Speaker 2: not where I'm trying to go. But because I think,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, angels, demons, God, all that stuff, aliens
Speaker 2: are all in the same kind of category of they
Speaker 2: exist but may be not here where we don't know
Speaker 2: kind of thing. But whenever you hear about the fallen angels,
Speaker 2: for example, you know, we talk about the fallen angels,
Speaker 2: some of them call them an Anaki whatever that eventually
Speaker 2: they end up mating with earth women, right, if we're
Speaker 2: looking at that in a physical type of way, Whenever
Speaker 2: they fell I guess how I would look at that is,
Speaker 2: if let's say they exist in the seventh dimension.
Speaker 3: Let's just throw a number out and you.
Speaker 2: Would have to fall and somehow incorporate yourself into the
Speaker 2: third dimensional reality that we exist in, and then they're
Speaker 2: able to I don't know, manifest themselves into some kind
Speaker 2: of physical body, because from your example, the demon was
Speaker 2: like physical but also not physical at the same time,
Speaker 2: which maybe you would be able to call dimensional overlay
Speaker 2: kind of thing.
Speaker 4: Right, It was able to touch me, so I know
Speaker 4: it is at least able to have some sort of
Speaker 4: physical appendage. So I mean take that for what it is.
Speaker 4: But I also believe that they are also shape shifters.
Speaker 2: Okay, but all right, so even whenever the thank God
Speaker 2: for the blessed Angel Jonathan came and saved you, whenever,
Speaker 2: let's say, so he shot that fucking demon with the
Speaker 2: flaming arrow, right, what happened to that demon after that?
Speaker 2: Did he just poof out of existence? Did he crawl away?
Speaker 2: Did he walk away? Do you remember what happened?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 5: He uh he more or less like de materialized.
Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, so you saw him almost like pixel out.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, so we're getting off topic, but I ain't
Speaker 4: mad at it. So when I was five, and the
Speaker 4: first time I saw it, dematerialized in a way, he
Speaker 4: pretty much swirled into himself and then disappeared, like it
Speaker 4: looked like it was like going through like a swirling
Speaker 4: in a toilet bowl, if you will, into the center,
Speaker 4: and then he was gone. Now cut to when I
Speaker 4: was sixteen, it was more or less him phasing out
Speaker 4: of existence, like uh, I guess uh, I want to say,
Speaker 4: like just kind of like slowly fading out, so to speak.
Speaker 4: But that's the best way that I could describe what
Speaker 4: I was seeing. And it wasn't just one shot. It
Speaker 4: was like every time he got shot, he was going
Speaker 4: a little more, a little more, a little more.
Speaker 2: Kind of thing, okay, and just getting kind of weird here,
Speaker 2: Like you know, I don't necessarily believe in in demons
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. But you mentioned something
Speaker 2: very interesting earlier, and you said shape shifter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he's presented himself in different forms over the years, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, hell, even when I was twenty five, I
Speaker 4: think it was the last time I saw him, he
Speaker 4: presented to himself in a completely different way.
Speaker 2: Right, And so I'm kind of looking at that as
Speaker 2: if could it have been an alien that shape shifted
Speaker 2: into a demon and that's how it represented to you,
Speaker 2: because that was kind of I don't know if that
Speaker 2: was your beliefs. You're only five years old, Like what
Speaker 2: beliefs do you have at five?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 4: But yeah, I was a Christian, but not I didn't
Speaker 4: have the bounds of knowledge into my faith as I
Speaker 4: do now. Is more like you know, Bible stories out
Speaker 4: of the picture book and shit like that.
Speaker 2: I guess, like it's I feel like it's kind of
Speaker 2: fun to look at it through not an abduction, but
Speaker 2: almost like an alien visitation. Like just substitute demon for alien,
Speaker 2: an angel for alien, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Like, if you look, there's a lot of Christians that do.
Speaker 4: And because demons are known to be shape shift, he's
Speaker 4: not just by my story.
Speaker 5: A lot of stories tell us this.
Speaker 4: A lot of people say that if it's an alien,
Speaker 4: oh no, I don't believe in aliens. I believe in demons,
Speaker 4: and that a demon could materialize themselves to look like
Speaker 4: the picture behind your head right now, right and so like,
Speaker 4: and that's that's a thought, and I don't disregard that
Speaker 4: as an impossibility by any means, But that's I also
Speaker 4: somebody who believes that they are happening. At the same time,
Speaker 4: I believe in aliens and I believe in demons. I believe, yes,
Speaker 4: demons could show themselves as an alien if it was
Speaker 4: like to draw fear out of somebody, or to achieve
Speaker 4: a goal that they have or something like that. But
Speaker 4: I don't believe that every alien out there is just
Speaker 4: a demon in disguise.
Speaker 3: That's just me.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess I'm just trying to put it into
Speaker 2: these terms because if you think about Willy Streeber, he
Speaker 2: talked about how there were good ones and then some
Speaker 2: like cold and more clinical type of ones, you know,
Speaker 2: almost like to me, almost like evil, you know, like
Speaker 2: I imagine the good ones ain't gonna be fucking inserting
Speaker 2: to probe up your ass, right Like, I wouldn't look
Speaker 2: at that as a good thing. But if you look
Speaker 2: at it through those lens like I guess, if you're
Speaker 2: looking at it through like you know, depending on what
Speaker 2: your lens of spirituality is, maybe you would look at
Speaker 2: that as a demon, right like kind of thing.
Speaker 3: I could see it.
Speaker 4: But also, at the same time, are all dogs going
Speaker 4: to attack you. No, but there are dogs that will,
Speaker 4: and there are dogs that will drag you out of
Speaker 4: traffic and save your life.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And it's just a dog that you've never met before.
Speaker 4: It didn't have to be your pet or anything like that. Humans,
Speaker 4: is every single person you meet got the best intentions
Speaker 4: for you or do? Some of them truly have evil
Speaker 4: within their hearts and they want to do you harm.
Speaker 4: I feel and this is just again my own opinion.
Speaker 4: I feel like aliens are in that same regard. Some
Speaker 4: of them are truly out for their own interests and
Speaker 4: they do not care if they kill you or not.
Speaker 4: I think some might be out to try to help you,
Speaker 4: give you some wisdom, give you some some insight. Some
Speaker 4: of them might be just neutral. They're just out here
Speaker 4: to take a little sample and they're out of here.
Speaker 4: And you may take that experience as evil because like
Speaker 4: not to take away antoprobing. Fine, it's got such a
Speaker 4: stigma of nightmares. They say nightmares, sure, but like you said,
Speaker 4: the chip in the ear, Let's say that if an
Speaker 4: alien came to you and you felt like a needle
Speaker 4: go behind your ear, it didn't kill you, But then
Speaker 4: the next day you've got like a bump behind your ear.
Speaker 4: You might take that as evil, but in reality, it
Speaker 4: was scientists on a mission and they were chipping a
Speaker 4: new subject, if you will. And it wasn't inherently good
Speaker 4: or evil. It was just kind of a scientific neutral
Speaker 4: kind of thing. But it's about how did you take
Speaker 4: it with your perspective. I see aliens as being able
Speaker 4: to be across the entire spectrum on.
Speaker 2: That well, and even comparatively, I mean even the demons
Speaker 2: or the fallen ones or whatever. They used to all
Speaker 2: be angels, right, or they used to all be like
Speaker 2: in God's realm, right, so that they were all one thing,
Speaker 2: and then some of them converted and you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, like, and so maybe that that even
Speaker 2: proves the almost dualistic nature of everything at that point.
Speaker 3: Right, So, whether you're talking about will, whether you're.
Speaker 2: Talking about good aliens, bad aliens, demons, angels, us. You know,
Speaker 2: there's some really great people out there, there's some really
Speaker 2: shitty people out there. You just made the dog grifference.
Speaker 2: Some of them will bite you, some of them will
Speaker 2: save your fucking life. It's just like the dualistic kind
Speaker 2: of nature. And I don't know. I like, this is
Speaker 2: a fun thing. This is a fun conversation.
Speaker 4: Oh, I agree, And I think that that also goes
Speaker 4: towards like existence can't happen unless we have free will.
Speaker 4: And I know that a lot of people will disagree
Speaker 4: with me on that, and they believe in destiny and fate,
Speaker 4: and I don't necessarily disagree with those either, but I
Speaker 4: believe that those are also happening interwoven at the same time,
Speaker 4: and it take way religiosity out of it. I think
Speaker 4: that we inherently have the free will to do and
Speaker 4: be and say and act however the hell we want.
Speaker 4: There's consequences for that in this life and the one after,
Speaker 4: and all that with you one hundred percent. But I
Speaker 4: believe the aliens, angels, demons, all these things also have
Speaker 4: free will. Otherwise the harmonious balance of what makes existence
Speaker 4: exist can't work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure, just my perspective. Yeah yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, like a fly has free will. Does it
Speaker 2: want to go fly? You know, with I don't know,
Speaker 2: does it want to go eat shit? Or does it
Speaker 2: want to just go be off in the wind or
Speaker 2: be stuck in your fucking window or whatever?
Speaker 4: You know, all right, So talking about flies insects, let's
Speaker 4: talk about insectoids as far as aliens are concerned.
Speaker 5: Now, again, just my beliefs.
Speaker 4: I believe that certain creatures are completely instinct driven, and
Speaker 4: they don't have hopes and dreams and aspirations and all
Speaker 4: of these things. It's strictly survivalists. It is strictly based
Speaker 4: off of instinct. Exactly, lower mind, if you will. I
Speaker 4: believe insectoid aliens might be of that variety. They might
Speaker 4: be more of a hive mind, if you will, and
Speaker 4: they're only out to accomplish one goal, and that is
Speaker 4: to survive. Right now, I could be wrong, and maybe
Speaker 4: there are some insectoid aliens that are operating at a
Speaker 4: mental capacity that we cannot even perceive, and they are
Speaker 4: way more intelligent than we are.
Speaker 5: It's possible, but it.
Speaker 4: Leads more credence to me that they would be more
Speaker 4: of the drones, if you will. They go out, they
Speaker 4: perform their function, they get the fuck out of there,
Speaker 4: whatever the case might be.
Speaker 2: Right right, like, maybe a mosquito doesn't know anything other
Speaker 2: than you just suck blood, you know, That's all it knows.
Speaker 4: Exactly, So to say that an insectoid alien, the praying mantis,
Speaker 4: droid like exactly. They're not over here trying to break
Speaker 4: the laws of physics and do scientific research. They're performing
Speaker 4: a surgery of types for whatever that purpose is, and
Speaker 4: they're kicking you out afterwards and they're gone. It's just
Speaker 4: very possible. But that being said, there's more than just
Speaker 4: the insectoids. There's more than just the grees, there's more
Speaker 4: than just the reptilians. This is why I believe there's
Speaker 4: more species of aliens out there than we perceive.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: Some of those might be the interdimensional variety. Some of
Speaker 4: those might be from a galaxy to galaxies away or
Speaker 4: something like that. I think all of them are so
Speaker 4: possible and very much within the realm of the conversation
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 2: Well, and this is why the conversation that he brings
Speaker 2: up as far as evolving consciously or spiritually or something
Speaker 2: like that, if you think about it, you know, you
Speaker 2: can be of that lower mind, of that animalistic kind
Speaker 2: of primal mind. You're just here to eat, sleep and fuk.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: That's all you really care about, that's all you think about.
Speaker 2: That's lower mind. You can almost call that droid like, right,
Speaker 2: like you can almost call that droid like, but you
Speaker 2: do have the capability of transcending those things and seeing
Speaker 2: more beautiful things and the different perspectives of the nature
Speaker 2: of reality and stuff like that, and that would be
Speaker 2: almost like what he's trying to say is almost like
Speaker 2: raising your consciousness, that you're not necessarily succumbing to your
Speaker 2: droid like nature of what it means to be a human,
Speaker 2: but you're a sending spiritually and you're having more awareness
Speaker 2: and your third eyes opening up and all that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. So whenever people talk about this, I feel
Speaker 2: like people might think, like, oh man, he's getting woo
Speaker 2: woo wee.
Speaker 3: He's talking about consciousness and stuff like.
Speaker 2: It's like, dude, we need to understand that seriously, because
Speaker 2: there are a lot of people out there that are
Speaker 2: very only animalistic in their mind. It's fight or flight
Speaker 2: all day, and some people are motivated by fear. That's
Speaker 2: all they That's all they gotta do, you know, Like
Speaker 2: I gotta go to work. Are also I'm gonna get
Speaker 2: kicked out of my house, or all right, I gotta
Speaker 2: go to work, or my car's gonna get repolled, or
Speaker 2: I got to take care of my kids or all
Speaker 2: CPS is gonna come get them. It's like an you're
Speaker 2: operating out of fear, which is a lower vibration. And
Speaker 2: what this guy's trying to say, and what many others
Speaker 2: have tried to say, whether it be psychedelic experience or
Speaker 2: alien experience, or religious experience or whatever, is to transcend
Speaker 2: that lower mind to become more, because we all have
Speaker 2: the capability of becoming more. So just want to clarify
Speaker 2: that for anybody who just thinks of this conversation as
Speaker 2: woo wood that like, there's some real shit about it.
Speaker 5: Oh, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: So now getting back to the story here, right, So
Speaker 4: he wrote a book about his first experience and he
Speaker 4: breaks it all down, start to finish.
Speaker 5: Now what do you do after the book?
Speaker 2: Well, there's still more to the book that I wanted
Speaker 2: to get to. So it says, as Strieber shares his
Speaker 2: experience in the book, he draws parallels to ancient mythologies,
Speaker 2: religious visitations, and folklore. He speculates that these visitors have
Speaker 2: interacted with humanity throughout history, appearing as oh.
Speaker 3: Fuck me, we were just talking about this. There we go.
Speaker 2: He speculates that these visitors have interacted with humanity throughout history,
Speaker 2: appearing as angels, demons, or gods in earlier times. He
Speaker 2: theorizes that their goal may be to awaken human consciousness
Speaker 2: or to guide us through some kind of evolutionary transition.
Speaker 2: Streeber's courage to publish Communion inspired thousands of people around
Speaker 2: the world to come forward with similar stories. The book
Speaker 2: helped validate the experiences of abductees and launched a wave
Speaker 2: of serious public discussion about alien contact. And then the
Speaker 2: book finishes. It says the journey of mystery not certainty.
Speaker 2: So Communion is not a conventional alien book. It's deeply introspective, philosophical,
Speaker 2: and often unsettling. Streeber does not claim to have all
Speaker 2: the answers. Instead, he invites the reader to sit with
Speaker 2: the mystery. Are the visitors real? Are they benevolent or manipulative?
Speaker 2: Are they a reflection of our own psyche? Or actual
Speaker 2: beings from another realm. Streeber's ultimate message is that something
Speaker 2: is that, something deeply strange and intelligent is interacting with humanity,
Speaker 2: and it may require a total transformation of consciousness to
Speaker 2: truly understand it. In the end, Communion is less about
Speaker 2: aliens and more about the fragility of reality, the mystery
Speaker 2: of the mind, and the terrifying beauty of the unknown.
Speaker 3: Fuck, I need to read that now.
Speaker 2: Wow, that sounds awesome. So then he had other books,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna delve into those because it's more of
Speaker 2: like the evolution, the next steps and maybe what he
Speaker 2: he you know, meditates on or experiences more or something
Speaker 2: like that. So it says each one dives deeper into
Speaker 2: the mystery of introduced mystery introduced in Communion, but approaches
Speaker 2: it with new insights and levels of depth. So the
Speaker 2: next book that was came after Communion is Transformation, that
Speaker 2: came out in eighty eight, so right the year after
Speaker 2: or no, he wrote the first book in eighty eighty seven,
Speaker 2: wasn't it? Yeah, eighty seven, And then the next book
Speaker 2: comes out in eighty eight called Transformation. So in Transformation,
Speaker 2: Streeber and these are shorter, I just wanted to dive
Speaker 2: a little bit deeper into community. But in Transformation, Streeber
Speaker 2: continues to explore his contact with the visitors, but the
Speaker 2: focus shifts from fear to spiritual awakening. He begins to
Speaker 2: interpret the experiences less as alien Abductions is in more
Speaker 2: as a kind of mystical initiation process. The trauma is
Speaker 2: still present, strange beings, paralyzing encounters, and moments of raw terror,
Speaker 2: but now now there's a growing recognition that something profound
Speaker 2: and possibly benevolent is at work. Strieber shares his new encounters,
Speaker 2: including visions of humanity's futures, of humanity's future, and increasingly
Speaker 2: symbolic dreamlike experiences. The central theme of Transformation to the
Speaker 2: book is a personal evolution. Streeber grapples with how the
Speaker 2: visitors seem to be challenging him to grow beyond ordinary
Speaker 2: human consciousness. He suggests that their methods, though invasive and
Speaker 2: often terrifying, are designed to break down his ego and
Speaker 2: expand his awareness. He compares their presence to ancient initiatory rights,
Speaker 2: where initiates must face death to be spiritually reborn. The
Speaker 2: book becomes not just a recounting of events, but in
Speaker 2: meditation on consciousness, mortality, and transcendence. Streeber also widens his lens,
Speaker 2: connecting his experiences with historical, spiritual teachings and mythological archetypes.
Speaker 2: He theorizes that these entities have been guiding humanity behind
Speaker 2: the scenes for millennia. Unlike Communion, which leans means into
Speaker 2: terror and mystery, Transformation is more speculative and philosophical. It
Speaker 2: marks a turning point in his journey from victim of
Speaker 2: the unknown to a willing participant in a grand metaphysical experiment. Wook,
Speaker 2: sign me up, baby, sign me up.
Speaker 3: I'm reading all these Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: The next book that came after was Breakthrough, and this
Speaker 2: was six years later, in nineteen ninety five. So a
Speaker 2: Breakthrough is Streeber's attempt to consolidate and make sense of
Speaker 2: his years long contact with the visitors. By this point,
Speaker 2: he's more confident in his belief that the experiences are real,
Speaker 2: but still mysterious. He now frames the encounters as part
Speaker 2: of a long term relationship between these beings and humanity.
Speaker 2: While still strange and often unsettling, the tone is more constructive.
Speaker 2: Streeber now asked the question what is the purpose behind
Speaker 2: these contacts? In this book, he begins to focus on communication,
Speaker 2: not just telepathy or symbols, but what the visitors are
Speaker 2: trying to teach us. He suggests that the human soul
Speaker 2: may be at the center of their interest. He introduces
Speaker 2: the concept of communion of souls, a sort of spiritual
Speaker 2: network or higher consciousness that the visitors may be connected to.
Speaker 2: He also discusses the possibility that these beings are either
Speaker 2: monitoring or influencing our development, perhaps even warning us about
Speaker 2: environmental or societal collapse. Strieber also touches more explicitly on
Speaker 2: cover ups and secrecy he suggests. He suggests that intelligence
Speaker 2: agencies may be aware of the visitors and possibly interacting
Speaker 2: with them. There are stories of surveillance interference and a
Speaker 2: sense that certain powerful forces do not want this information
Speaker 2: becoming public. But above all, Breakthrough reinforces his central message,
Speaker 2: which is that we must overcome fear if we are
Speaker 2: to understand what is really happening. Contact with these beings
Speaker 2: isn't about aliens, It's about human evolution, the mystery of
Speaker 2: the soul, and are forgotten place in the cosmos. That
Speaker 2: sounds like a fun book. And then there's one more book.
Speaker 2: I'll just read the read it quickly here, So the
Speaker 2: last book on this category. I don't know if he
Speaker 2: wrote more books after this or not, but I'm sure,
Speaker 2: I mean why not. I mean a writer going right?
Speaker 2: You know, podcasts are going podcast that's what we do.
Speaker 2: So then so He wrote that that previous book Breakthrough
Speaker 2: in ninety five. Then in ninety six he wrote another
Speaker 2: book called The Secret School. So in The Secret School,
Speaker 2: Streemer turns the clock back and examined strange memories from
Speaker 2: his childhood Oh Here we Go, revealing that his contact
Speaker 2: experiences may have started much earlier than he realized. He
Speaker 2: recalls being taken along with other children to what he
Speaker 2: describes as a secret school where mysterious beings taught lessons
Speaker 2: about the stars, consciousness, and destiny. These early memories had
Speaker 2: long been buried in the book acts as a recovery
Speaker 2: of forgotten knowledge. The quote unquote school wasn't a physical
Speaker 2: place in the traditional sense. It felt like a liminal space,
Speaker 2: both real and dream like. The lessons he remembers weren't academic,
Speaker 2: but cosmic, learning about death, time, spiritual power, and humanity's
Speaker 2: role in the universe. He speculates that these teachings were
Speaker 2: meant to prepare certain people to help guide humanity through
Speaker 2: a coming shift. The book blurs the lines between mystical initiation,
Speaker 2: abduction narrative, and metaphysical allegory, Unlike his earlier books, which
Speaker 2: focus heavily on adult trauma and confusion. The Secret School
Speaker 2: has a nostalgic and almost sacred tone. It presents a
Speaker 2: more hopeful picture of the Visitor phenomena, not as an invasion,
Speaker 2: but as a form of divine instruction. Strieber suggests that
Speaker 2: there may be others like him, initiated in childhood, forgotten
Speaker 2: and now awakening to their mission. The Secret School may
Speaker 2: be ancient, timeless, and still active in the shadows of
Speaker 2: our lives.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Either he's a one hell of an imagination on him,
Speaker 2: which we know he does, or dude, just can you
Speaker 2: put yourself in the frame of mind that what if
Speaker 2: this is real?
Speaker 3: Like? What if he's not full of shit? Oh?
Speaker 4: I don't at this moment believe that he inherently is, Okay,
Speaker 4: I think that he is drawing on a lot of
Speaker 4: things that sound very esoteric and very occult.
Speaker 5: Right at least rhymes with that.
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that his experience wasn't necessarily esoteric
Speaker 4: and what some might call a cult like in nature.
Speaker 5: It's interesting, it's very interesting.
Speaker 3: Brouh.
Speaker 4: I put up an article about the guy, and I
Speaker 4: don't know if we need to read it. If we
Speaker 4: are gonna keep our third eye all the way open, then,
Speaker 4: like all the way open.
Speaker 5: We need to look at it from all sides.
Speaker 4: But I also don't want it to seem like I
Speaker 4: want to throw shade at the guy because I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't inherently think that he's a liar or anything
Speaker 4: like that. It's it's just like I'm listening to this
Speaker 4: and the first story of his experience and the abduction
Speaker 4: and all that interesting, fascinating with Johanna.
Speaker 5: It's like the more he looks back on it, the more.
Speaker 4: He's trying to make sense of it in a way
Speaker 4: as one does, and right, right, right, And the way
Speaker 4: that he has made the most sense out of it
Speaker 4: is seemingly of a very esoteric flavoring, which sure, which
Speaker 4: I vibe with personally, right, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 2: Not to say that it's right or wrong. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that I one hundred percent believe it.
Speaker 2: I'm just I like to put myself whenever we hear
Speaker 2: stories like out there kind of stories like this, or
Speaker 2: out there kind of conspiracies. And I know a lot
Speaker 2: of people are like, oh, Jonathan, he just fucking believes everything.
Speaker 3: It's it's not like that.
Speaker 2: I just want people to understand how my mind works
Speaker 2: and why I tend to like agree with everybody, especially
Speaker 2: in the realm of like while we're.
Speaker 3: On the show.
Speaker 2: It's because the only way I can personally understand something
Speaker 2: is if I believe every word that this person is
Speaker 2: telling me, and then afterward I kind of gather my
Speaker 2: thoughts and then I'm like, Okay, well, this is where
Speaker 2: I may disagree, this is where I may agree whatever,
Speaker 2: But I always try and put myself in the in
Speaker 2: the realm of believing it before trying to dice it
Speaker 2: up and call it bullshit, Like I like to hear
Speaker 2: the whole fucking thing, and then I'll come to a
Speaker 2: conclusion that's where I that's where That's how my mind
Speaker 2: works personally, and you.
Speaker 5: And me are very different in that regard as well.
Speaker 4: Like even in high school, right whenever your teacher would
Speaker 4: be teaching you a new concept, something you had never
Speaker 4: heard before, and not just history write something like that math,
Speaker 4: they're teaching you algebra two, and it's a concept that like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you can see on the board, you see all the
Speaker 4: numbers work.
Speaker 5: You understand that this does work.
Speaker 4: But you would take like, okay, I'm just gonna initially
Speaker 4: write out the rip, assume that this is all true,
Speaker 4: and just go from there and then dissect it. I
Speaker 4: am on the opposite scale of it. I'm dissecting it
Speaker 4: as I see it. Sometimes it doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I need a little more clarification on things, and
Speaker 4: I kind of ask questions as I go along, because
Speaker 4: because that's how that's how I gain an understanding of something. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I stain things you can hear and you just like, Okay,
Speaker 4: you could see all the pieces fit together, and it's
Speaker 4: all good. Some of those Okay, the pieces fit together,
Speaker 4: but I don't understand how they fit together. Can you
Speaker 4: break that one down for me a little bit further,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: And whenever I'm learning something new. I've never seen myself
Speaker 2: as the brightest kid. I got straight c's whenever I
Speaker 2: was in school. I did barely the fucking bare minimum
Speaker 2: just to get by because I knew for sure I
Speaker 2: was not going to go going to go to college,
Speaker 2: and if I was, it was going to be on
Speaker 2: a football scholarship. That was the only thing I really
Speaker 2: gave a fuck about, right, Yeah, I just wasn't interested
Speaker 2: in doing these things that was just my mentality. But
Speaker 2: whenever I was trying to understand, I would assume that,
Speaker 2: all right, well, this is the story. I want to
Speaker 2: try and learn it through your perspective first, because maybe
Speaker 2: my perspective isn't broad enough to really grasp the reality
Speaker 2: of what I'm trying to be taught and trying to learn.
Speaker 2: So I want to learn it from the other person's perspective.
Speaker 2: That's probably the best way that I can put it,
Speaker 2: is that I'm trying to get into their mind and
Speaker 2: outside of mine.
Speaker 3: I could never do that, man.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you exactly the class where I really had
Speaker 4: to start questioning things as it was being told to me.
Speaker 4: Freshman year of high school, I had a Civics teacher.
Speaker 4: All right, miss McCrory. I will never forget this woman.
Speaker 4: I loved her to death. But here here was the situation. Okay,
Speaker 4: we walk in. There was a big old wall sign
Speaker 4: on one of her walls saying agree, and on the
Speaker 4: other side it was a big old sign saying disagree.
Speaker 4: And once a week she would bring up something could
Speaker 4: be anything, could be the use of nuclear warheads, could
Speaker 4: be gay rights, could be, gun laws, could be something
Speaker 4: from class because I also had her for Civics and
Speaker 4: then American history, so it could be something from history, right,
Speaker 4: whatever the case was, just a situation is presented to
Speaker 4: the class, and you would go sit on the side
Speaker 4: that most aligned with you. And if you didn't know,
Speaker 4: there was even a section in the middle for neutral
Speaker 4: or I don't know, or I needed to learn a
Speaker 4: little bit more about it, whatever the case is. And
Speaker 4: as class would go on, we would have an open
Speaker 4: form debate and you would move. There would be kids
Speaker 4: that would move whenever they learned new information about a
Speaker 4: topic or whatever the case might be. But she, although
Speaker 4: she did a very good job of presenting the question,
Speaker 4: she was a bleeding heart liberal, bleeding heart liberal, and
Speaker 4: she wasn't shy about it. She didn't look down on anybody,
Speaker 4: or she wasn't disrespectful to a kid who was ultra
Speaker 4: conservative or anything like that.
Speaker 5: But you would tell there'd be.
Speaker 4: Like slight little digs, slight little nudges to where you
Speaker 4: knew where she lined up. And she would propose certain
Speaker 4: questions in a way, and she would propose questions on this,
Speaker 4: or she would play devil's advocates.
Speaker 5: She did it very well.
Speaker 4: But I learned very early on that even though the
Speaker 4: question just got asked and I could just go off
Speaker 4: of it, what did you mean by that? Explain this
Speaker 4: point before I even take a stance on this. I
Speaker 4: want to know exactly what you're asking because you may
Speaker 4: have just given it to me in a certain way
Speaker 4: through a certain lens, and I don't. I don't get
Speaker 4: down like that. So and I understand why that was
Speaker 4: the point. She didn't want kids to take it right
Speaker 4: off the rip at face value, or maybe if you're
Speaker 4: initially gonna do that, you would sit down that seat,
Speaker 4: but as the class would continue, you would shift over
Speaker 4: and you go to a different spot, whatever the case is, right,
Speaker 4: And so from that day I pretty much was like, okay,
Speaker 4: so I'm just gonna get all the information I can
Speaker 4: period before I say yeay or nay to any fucking thing, right.
Speaker 2: And I think that I guess I just looked at
Speaker 2: it differently because I always just assumed that, like, who
Speaker 2: am I to assume that my lens is the correct
Speaker 2: one to even be able to justify if this person's
Speaker 2: lens is correct or not?
Speaker 3: Like I didn't.
Speaker 2: I never looked at anything politically, especially in high school.
Speaker 2: I didn't know shit about politics. I never paid attention
Speaker 2: to what was happening in politics. I didn't care. I
Speaker 2: still don't care, Like honestly, I literally don't give a
Speaker 2: fuck about anything political unless it's on this show.
Speaker 3: Then we dive into it, and you know, that's that story.
Speaker 2: But I never looked at anything through a lens, because
Speaker 2: once you used to looking at certain things through your
Speaker 2: own lens, it's almost impossible to be able to connect
Speaker 2: to the other person, to connect to the other story,
Speaker 2: because now it's almost like that lens is giving you
Speaker 2: almost right to judge before you even finish the story
Speaker 2: or before you even understand the other perspective. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Judge, judge not and like, oh this
Speaker 2: person's demand. Not that I'm not saying like that in
Speaker 2: that sense, but like, I try not to have a
Speaker 2: specific frame of reference because then it won't allow me
Speaker 2: to really fully connect and understand. And that's that's basically,
Speaker 2: that's all I was trying to say about how I interpret,
Speaker 2: you know, stories and stuff like this. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: whether it's real or not. Like I'm interested in the esoteric.
Speaker 2: I love when people start getting esoteric and more deeply
Speaker 2: intertwined into the spiritual understanding about what it means, because
Speaker 2: we know that we're temporarily here. We know that we're
Speaker 2: just fucking souls inside of meat suits. So let's understand
Speaker 2: what the soul meaning behind it is, because what purpose
Speaker 2: does it even like make it to understand uh, human
Speaker 2: physical reality if it's only a fucking fart in the
Speaker 2: wind compared to the soul, which is eternal.
Speaker 3: That's the way I kind of look at it, you know,
Speaker 3: I agree. I agree that.
Speaker 4: I mean, for my own beliefs, I believe that what
Speaker 4: we do in this life will affect us in the
Speaker 4: next one.
Speaker 5: So I mean, and you could take it to a
Speaker 5: karmic way.
Speaker 3: Right exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it does play into what happens next, whether
Speaker 4: that be final judgment or the next cycle. How you're
Speaker 4: born and what level you're born into and all these things,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: So that's the thing.
Speaker 4: We got to understand that, yes, we are physical entities,
Speaker 4: and while we're only here, like you said, for a
Speaker 4: fart in the wind, a fucking vapor in the wind,
Speaker 4: as some texts might say, we do got to take
Speaker 4: every second of it as a gift. We got to
Speaker 4: apply ourselves to the absolute best that we can for
Speaker 4: the next journey.
Speaker 5: Sure that may look.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, sure, sure, so you know what, I'm actually
Speaker 2: gonna go against you here for a second. I don't
Speaker 2: want to hear the negativity that's being talked about, because
Speaker 2: I want people to listen to this and just sit
Speaker 2: with it, like what do you think from it? From
Speaker 2: you know, an actual standpoint, through your own specific lens,
Speaker 2: before you start to hear backstories. And I don't even
Speaker 2: know the backstory. I don't know the shit that's connected
Speaker 2: to this story.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2: I literally just started researching this today and it was
Speaker 2: more so aligning with like what's the story? How did
Speaker 2: it go? How is he presenting it? That kind of
Speaker 2: thing whenever you start getting into like, okay, maybe he
Speaker 2: and I don't know the story, but just I, for example,
Speaker 2: maybe he like scapegoaded on his taxes and didn't pay
Speaker 2: him Like, oh, I don't care, you.
Speaker 4: Know, like I glazed over the article briefly, and some
Speaker 4: of it is strictly hatred. It's somebody sip and hater
Speaker 4: raid way too hard for sure. There are sections of
Speaker 4: it where they show that he has also been a
Speaker 4: fan of the occult for years and years and has
Speaker 4: followed the teachings of two different Armenian occultists and so,
Speaker 4: and I don't know if that necessary plays in or not.
Speaker 3: Are me and occultists? You don't hear about that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there's two of them.
Speaker 4: I actually, as I was kind of typing because some
Speaker 4: of those words, I saw these words at the bottom,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, that is.
Speaker 3: That a person? Is that philosophy? What is this?
Speaker 4: They are two scholars that also delved into esotericism and
Speaker 4: mysticism and things like that and all. So to say
Speaker 4: that this his experience, I'm not taking away from it.
Speaker 4: It's I'm not saying that I one hundred percent believe
Speaker 4: him or one hundred percent and trying to debunk him
Speaker 4: at all.
Speaker 3: I'm taking it.
Speaker 4: At face value that he had an experience that MRI
Speaker 4: scan that he has. I'm taking it at face value
Speaker 4: that he absolutely has a chip implanted in his brain.
Speaker 3: I'm with you, Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: I just I don't want people to hear you know,
Speaker 2: And like I said, I don't know the information, but
Speaker 2: people are real quick to throw the baby out with
Speaker 2: the bathwater, and I don't want that to get lost
Speaker 2: in that narrative, you know what I'm saying, Because you can,
Speaker 2: you can be a piece of shit and still have
Speaker 2: an alien experience, you know what I'm saying, Like it
Speaker 2: still is possible, Like bad people go have amazing experiences
Speaker 2: all the time, you know.
Speaker 3: So that's where I'm I'm wrong.
Speaker 5: Chris Bledsoe is of the Christian variety, is he not?
Speaker 5: Or Am I making that up?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, he's a Christian.
Speaker 4: Okay, So this could be looked at in a very
Speaker 4: similar but different light. Okay, So Bledsoe sees these orbs
Speaker 4: and he believes they are something angelic.
Speaker 2: Correct, not in the traditional sense, but more of like
Speaker 2: the I guess you would say New age sense. Interesting,
Speaker 2: he combines, he combines the esoteric with his Christian understanding,
Speaker 2: Like they're not separate. It's just that he looks at
Speaker 2: the Bible in a different way, like he interprets it
Speaker 2: in a different way.
Speaker 3: So, I mean each of their own.
Speaker 2: I mean there's eight hundred different sectors of Christianity anyway,
Speaker 2: I mean, what's what's eight hundred and one?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 3: But that's kind of a point.
Speaker 4: So he is making the most sense he can out
Speaker 4: of the experience that he is having, right, and through
Speaker 4: his lens, he is putting it to a Christian christ Esque,
Speaker 4: whatever you want to say, type of lens. This guy,
Speaker 4: if if he has some sort of a background in
Speaker 4: esotericism and he has a real interest in the mystery
Speaker 4: schools of old and these types of things, it only
Speaker 4: makes sense to me that he would try to make
Speaker 4: sense of this experience through some sort of a mysticism
Speaker 4: and esoteric lens. I'm not saying that to detract from him.
Speaker 4: I'm saying that any person having an experience like this,
Speaker 4: especially a traumatic one like he's describing, would try to
Speaker 4: make sense of that in whatever way that they can.
Speaker 4: And if you're somebody that was brought up with a
Speaker 4: Hindu background, you might think that this was a shape
Speaker 4: shifted version of Krishna coming in and doing something to you,
Speaker 4: and you would use that to try to make sense
Speaker 4: of it in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying, right.
Speaker 2: It's almost like you always have to have something to
Speaker 2: compare it to, you know, For example, like I played
Speaker 2: football for a long time, and there was times that
Speaker 2: I fucked people up, and then there was other times
Speaker 2: where people fucked me up right, and of those times
Speaker 2: that let's say I got I got hit by like
Speaker 2: a blind side, which I got plenty of blind side
Speaker 2: hits in my life. They suck, right. The only thing
Speaker 2: that you can compare that to is being run over
Speaker 2: by a mack truck.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You've never been hit by a mack truck. You also
Speaker 4: have no frame of reference to compare it. Again, it's
Speaker 4: the only thing I can compare it to, you know.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I thought that this was This is a
Speaker 2: fucking this is a very kind of like deeply almost
Speaker 2: philosophical kind of conversation and I dig those. So yeah,
Speaker 2: any of the good cult members you enjoy this, you
Speaker 2: like the topic, Maybe you want to input your two cents.
Speaker 2: Maybe there was something that we missed. You know, we
Speaker 2: are human, I mean, mistakes happen and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: This was my research that I was able to find
Speaker 2: to try and get to the core of the story.
Speaker 3: What does it mean? What was he experiencing? Is the truthful?
Speaker 3: Is he not? Whatever? Let us know what is the
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