WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.160 --> 00:00:04.400 Caalaroga Shark Media. 2 00:00:10.119 --> 00:00:12.599 Hi there, I'm Johnny Mack with your daily comedy news. 3 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:16.039 Today's guest is comedian Drew Lynch. You may know Drew 4 00:00:16.160 --> 00:00:19.719 from America's God Talent, or you may know him as 5 00:00:19.839 --> 00:00:23.239 the stuttering comedian from America's Got Talent. He's got a 6 00:00:23.280 --> 00:00:26.960 really interesting origin story. He explains, I was playing softball 7 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:28.719 and a hard hit ball took a bad hop and 8 00:00:28.760 --> 00:00:31.519 struck me in the throat. I fell and smacked my 9 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:33.560 head on the ground. That led to my career as 10 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:36.039 a stand up Yeah. Apparently he had a traumatic brain 11 00:00:36.079 --> 00:00:39.479 injury from it, which created a neurogenic stutter. Kind of 12 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:41.399 messed up his career. He's up for some roles. His 13 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:43.479 agent dropped him. He explains, I got the cold shoulder 14 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:45.679 and I realized that I want to control. I rehabbed 15 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:49.039 and that's what I discovered stand up. Three years after 16 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:51.600 the injury, he appeared on America's Got Talent. He said 17 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:53.880 that validated him as a comic. It was an amazing 18 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:55.679 experience and I can't tell you how great it was 19 00:00:55.719 --> 00:00:57.799 to get such great feedback from Howie Mandela. I have 20 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:00.960 so much respect for Drew. Will be part of just 21 00:01:01.039 --> 00:01:04.840 for Last Vancouver, the big comedy festival up there in Vancouver. 22 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:07.680 He'll be at the Vogue Theater on the nineteenth. The 23 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:11.239 festival continues through the twenty second. Now, as I prepped 24 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:15.359 for my interview, if you listen to every interview with him, 25 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:18.640 if you read every article about him, it talks about 26 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:22.319 his origin story, and I chose not to go there, 27 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:25.079 and being candid, I think I may have thrown him 28 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:28.680 by not asking him about it. And a couple other 29 00:01:28.719 --> 00:01:30.959 notes on what you're going to hear today. What's crazy 30 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:34.000 to me is in the recording session, he was on 31 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:35.879 what I call an open mic, like he wasn't holding 32 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:39.560 a microphone and I was. However, I was on someone 33 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:43.719 else's recording session, not my recording session, and as I 34 00:01:43.719 --> 00:01:46.439 got the audio back, it sounds like my microphone didn't 35 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:48.840 pick up and it may have been using my laptop microphone. 36 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:50.719 So like as you hear me now, I have some 37 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:53.000 processing on my voice. That's what you hear on a 38 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:55.359 normal episode. Sometimes you'll hear an episode where I do 39 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:57.920 an interview or the conversations with Mike Chisholm on The 40 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:01.079 Letterman podcast, which is using his setup. Here I'm processing 41 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:03.400 and whatnot. But as I listened back to this, I'm like, 42 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:05.920 Drew sounds really good, and I sound like I'm on 43 00:02:05.920 --> 00:02:07.879 a laptop, which is just funny to me because I 44 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:11.520 had my microphone out neither here nor there. Also, I 45 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:15.439 want to be transparent. I re sequenced this interview. This 46 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:17.960 first part I'm going to play is from later in 47 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:20.400 the interview, but I wanted to lead with this part 48 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:26.199 because it's so good. Listen to Drew Lynch channel Mark Marin. 49 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:29.280 Here he channels Mark Maron. It's he's not doing an impression, 50 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:32.400 but he channels his inner Mark Maren. It is fantastic. 51 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:36.479 Here's Drew Lynch. You spent some time on the Maren sitcom. 52 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:39.080 I feel like weird using the word sitcom with Maren show, 53 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:41.159 the television show How is Mark? 54 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:41.560 Is Mark? 55 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:43.159 What we think Mark is in real life? 56 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:45.759 Mark is exactly the way Mark is in real life. 57 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:48.400 And and you should you should be comforted by that fact. 58 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:51.719 He is And I've told him this. He's a he's 59 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:54.800 a He's just a. He's just a. He's a he's 60 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:57.879 a he's just a brouchy guy. He's not I mean, 61 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:00.680 not grouch, but he's just a he's a hard guy. 62 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:03.400 You know, he's just like I feel that way. Oh yeah, okay, 63 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:05.080 well that's well that's weird. 64 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:07.319 Or you know, he's like, you know, he kind of like, uh, 65 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:10.199 just a he likes to kind of scrutinize and just 66 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:10.879 kind of get in it. 67 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:11.960 And I love that about. 68 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:14.800 Him because he's that's where that's where his comedy is. 69 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:17.800 He's but he's begrudging all the time, and that's hilarious, 70 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:19.960 Like it's just like that's my Yeah, that's my uncle 71 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:20.919 who lives in my attic. 72 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:21.599 That's who he is. 73 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:21.800 You know. 74 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:23.599 He's like, yeah, he's I guess he's coming down for 75 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:24.080 a soda. 76 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:27.360 But he's upset because because the handle on the fridge 77 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:29.120 is broken and he doesn't want to he doesn't want 78 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:31.039 to try to put his nails into the side and 79 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:31.840 open it that way. 80 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:34.039 He and Mark's going to talk a lot about that. 81 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:34.479 You know. 82 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:36.639 It's frustrating. Why is the why is the bottom of 83 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:38.280 the fridge? Why is why is there heat coming from 84 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:40.039 the bottom of the fridge but the inside of it 85 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:40.599 is cold? 86 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:41.240 You know? 87 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:43.240 And these things used to be an icebox? Should I 88 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:45.879 just get an icebox? Like I'm talking in the voice 89 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:47.800 of Merrion right now. But that's how well, that's how 90 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:50.680 well I know, yeah, how well I know how he goes, 91 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:53.080 you know, and he's like, you know, and then he 92 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:54.560 and then he goes in for a soda, and then 93 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:56.159 he's and then he's and then he pulls out something 94 00:03:56.199 --> 00:03:56.840 and he's looking. 95 00:03:56.840 --> 00:03:57.479 He put he sees it. 96 00:03:57.479 --> 00:03:59.560 He finds a protein bar in the drawer, and he's like, 97 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:01.520 you know, oh, what is it with these protein bars? 98 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:02.400 There's so much sugar. 99 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:04.560 It's like it's I'm not even getting what is this 100 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:07.000 you because you mashed up a date and you put 101 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:09.599 some Joe Rogan pills in a thing that I need 102 00:04:09.639 --> 00:04:11.680 to like. This is this is the way Mark is. 103 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:13.879 I could just watch him. He's like an angry cat. 104 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.360 You're just like, okay, just keep going. I guess, Bud, 105 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:18.680 that was amazing. I was just trying to hang back 106 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:19.560 and not step on you. 107 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:21.079 Boy. You channel him really well. 108 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:23.000 Well. I think it's just because at my heart, I'm 109 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:25.040 probably just as much of a grouch, but I just 110 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:27.759 I have a softer face or all American good looks 111 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:29.639 if you if you read the review Journal in Las 112 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:34.639 Vegas from twenty years ago. But but yeah, Maren is uh, 113 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:36.800 we all have a maron inside of us. 114 00:04:37.240 --> 00:04:40.439 I saw you did in an AGT showcase. Are you 115 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:44.240 just part of the AGT extended family? Is there a 116 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:45.720 pay it forward aspect to that? 117 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:46.720 There? 118 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:51.639 Definitely is. I mean that show is very rewarding and 119 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:54.040 they're also very demanding, you know, and I mean that 120 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:56.319 in a professional way. They just expect a lot because 121 00:04:56.319 --> 00:04:58.399 they give a lot. So you know, take that for 122 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:00.480 what it is. And I don't mind being part of 123 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:05.720 the of the u of the of the the family 124 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:08.839 or the alumni or or whatever. And I'm all for 125 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:13.600 for advocating for other people to find their opportunities on 126 00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:16.079 that show. You know, like I was doing the show, 127 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:18.560 I was at the showcase, and like, you know, like 128 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:21.240 they want to kind of they want to kind of 129 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:23.240 like say like, oh and we got we got these 130 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:26.120 people here who did the show, these alums there's there. 131 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:28.600 Look at where they are. You know. 132 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:31.600 There's a comic that was on the show just showcasing. 133 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:34.040 His name's Lachlin Patterson. You probably know him. He's a 134 00:05:34.040 --> 00:05:37.759 Canadian comic and he has been doing it for almost 135 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:42.000 thirty years and he is in every sense of the word, 136 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:45.160 like just a bro and he is so good and 137 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:50.240 he's so funny, and it's like he I mean, no 138 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:53.720 one's above anyone, but just this idea that they're gonna, 139 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:55.360 you know, they're gonna be like and look at this 140 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:57.680 guy who we found and it's like, yeah, I mean 141 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:01.160 he's been doing it for longer than television, you know. 142 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:02.920 I mean, like, what are we talking about? He's so 143 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:07.199 funny and so you know, like, I don't know, it's 144 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:10.439 just so interesting. It's just the world is just the 145 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:14.959 world of our world stand up and navigating whatever your 146 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:17.920 path is is all so different and you just never know. 147 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:20.560 I mean you look at like the Louise of the 148 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:23.759 World or even the Bills, where like it's like these 149 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:28.600 guys were twenty eight, twenty nine years thirty or twenty 150 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:32.360 five years in and then showtime was like okay, and 151 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:35.000 they're like and then what It's like what all right? 152 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:37.800 And then like maybe the best comedians ever Okay. 153 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:39.800 So I don't know. Maybe it's supposed to be more 154 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:42.279 of that, and it's definitely less of that because people 155 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:47.600 have tiktoks and they have thumbs and then they get 156 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:51.120 to decide what I guess, maybe what happens quickly is 157 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:55.480 what happens is where there's tremendous value, And for me 158 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:57.480 is someone who's a student of what it is that 159 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:00.600 we do and has such appreciation in seeing it done well. 160 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:04.600 Dude comics who can write down and just write for 161 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:07.639 eight minutes and ten minutes and twelve minute bits on 162 00:07:07.639 --> 00:07:08.199 one thing. 163 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:09.879 It's just my favorite. 164 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:12.759 And I hope that that's not going anywhere because that's 165 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:16.120 a part of this art form that I really fell 166 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:16.600 in love with. 167 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:19.920 Yeah, it's changed. Pre pandemic, there were all these people 168 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:21.639 that oh, so and so came out of nowhere, but 169 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:24.040 like you said, they'd been doing it for fifteen years. 170 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:27.000 They just finally got the light shown on them. In 171 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:30.040 the age of social media, maybe some people have accelerated 172 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:32.160 in a way that you just couldn't do in nineteen 173 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:35.040 eighty five. I know, as just a guy sitting on 174 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:37.680 the couch, I just look at it as I hit 175 00:07:37.759 --> 00:07:40.279 play on something on Netflix, and did I laugh that 176 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:43.079 that's my entire barometer. And if you're good at social 177 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:45.959 media or people think you're handsome or whatever, we want 178 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:47.920 to knock a comedian for because they didn't do it 179 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:50.079 the right way. You didn't do ten years at the 180 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:53.720 cellar did you laugh? And I think that's the good civilian. 181 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:56.079 Test, right right, And that's part of why it's so 182 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:00.199 you know, it's so accessible now in today's plying that 183 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:03.959 you can you can be much more in control of 184 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:06.839 what gets distributed and how people maybe find you. So 185 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:10.480 it is it's in that way, it's it's great, But 186 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:14.240 in another way it you know, we're not dealing with gatekeepers, 187 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:17.000 but those gatekeepers were there for a reason to hopefully 188 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:20.519 kind of that maybe quality and you might have to 189 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:22.839 sift a little bit to find whatever it is your 190 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:26.959 your interpretation or or what it is you value is quality. 191 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:30.240 Growing up in Indianapolis, you're a Colts fan. You guys 192 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:31.920 had quite this season. 193 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:34.519 Come on, John, we're having such a good time. Why 194 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:36.919 does it have to be this You had a good season? 195 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:39.840 We did, and then we had the rest of the 196 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:44.159 season and it was it was good. Then tell this 197 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:46.799 and then until the midpoint of the season. 198 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:49.480 You're heading to Vancouver for just for laughs. You'll be 199 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:51.639 at the Voga Theater on the nineteenth. Have you been 200 00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:52.519 to Vancouver before? 201 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:52.720 Oh? 202 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:54.080 Yeah, many times. I love it. 203 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:56.240 Great place. Do you find it? Festival? Is that it's 204 00:08:56.440 --> 00:08:59.879 your fans or is it Sometimes I find it festivals 205 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:03.639 it's just whoever happens to be playing when we want 206 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:05.679 to go out on a night and we'll go see whoever. 207 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:07.799 Is it your crab going to see you? Or is 208 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:10.000 it just festival fans comedy fans. 209 00:09:10.080 --> 00:09:13.679 I think it's I think it's a healthy balance of both. 210 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:17.000 And I think it's it's artists specific for sure, but 211 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:19.000 the festival, I mean, what I think they do a 212 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:21.840 good job of is people do just are like, yeah, 213 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:24.039 they do just commit to just going out, and that's 214 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:25.799 kind of cool because you're just going in blind and 215 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:27.480 be like, yeah, I don't know, we'll check it out. 216 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:29.799 So I think it's a healthy mix. 217 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:34.559 As you got your comedy career started, America's Got Talent, 218 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:39.080 how was it pulling out? How long were those segments? 219 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:41.200 I feel like you're doing like two minute. 220 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:42.879 Chunks, sometimes even less. 221 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:45.919 I think I did ninety seconds my first first audition, 222 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:48.840 and then like the second round was like two minutes, 223 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:50.919 and then like the next round was like a minute 224 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:52.559 forty five or two. 225 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:53.799 It's not much. 226 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:58.080 And it's weird because comics are also almost given like 227 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:00.679 less time, like a song is, like you know, as 228 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:02.320 long as like two and a half minutes, or sometimes 229 00:10:02.480 --> 00:10:05.480 a magician thing will be eight minutes, you know, like 230 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:07.000 a whole thing. You know, like they get all this 231 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:08.559 time to kind of like set up. And I know 232 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:11.960 that that sounds like I've got ill will towards towards magic. 233 00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:12.399 I don't. 234 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:16.039 I just mean like they need a longer, They need 235 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:19.000 a much longer, Like they need more time to be 236 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:21.279 able to have something kind of unravel and set it up, 237 00:10:21.320 --> 00:10:23.879 and it's you know, it's it's a different pace. So 238 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:29.159 I don't know. My struggle was that I was already 239 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:32.919 on a time budget and I stuttered. So it's like, 240 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:36.360 you know, how do I get out jokes for a 241 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:38.639 minute when I get barely a minute? You know. 242 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:41.559 So it's that was definitely a challenge trying to navigate that. 243 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:45.320 It's gotta be hard because you can't really just storytelling. 244 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:47.360 You have no time to set up a callback. You 245 00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:48.679 just kind of have to come out and read. 246 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:51.320 A tat tat, Yeah exactly, which is why I think 247 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:53.639 comics who have like one liners, you know, Tom Cotter, 248 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:59.440 you know, Taylor Williamson, you know, like you know, even 249 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:02.720 my buddy, like he's got great jokes too. 250 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:07.840 He just he fills in the space with big energy too, 251 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:08.159 you know. 252 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:12.120 And so it's like it's everybody's kind of got their 253 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:12.919 own approach. 254 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:15.559 But it does feel like comics who are very one minery. 255 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:17.759 You know. Erica Rhoades, she did the show and she's 256 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:20.600 she's really really great at that as well as strong writer. 257 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:23.000 All right, let me get the break in here. You've 258 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:26.080 seen my heating bill right, Oh my goodness, Johnny Mack, 259 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:28.120 I hate the commercials. I get it. I get it. 260 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:30.000 If you want them to go away, become a premium 261 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:32.399 subscriber on Apple Podcasts five bucks a month and liw 262 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:34.919 with that. We got to pay the heating bills. So 263 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:37.039 we'll take the break. I want to come back. I'll 264 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:40.440 ask Drew Lynch about coming off America's Got Talent and 265 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:44.600 getting respect from his peers. Drew Lynch is my guest. 266 00:11:44.600 --> 00:11:47.320 He'll be at JFL Vancouver at the Vogue Theater on 267 00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:51.240 the nineteenth. As you got deeper into it, I see 268 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:54.559 that you are well respected in the comedy community. I 269 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:56.960 can tell by which podcast we'll have you on as 270 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:59.080 a guest, and you're part of the mix. Did you 271 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:02.919 run into in the early days, any pushback from the 272 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:06.639 comedy snobs of oh he's from the TV show, or 273 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:09.440 did anyone accuse you of the stutter being a gimmick 274 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:11.080 being a gimmick comic? 275 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:14.519 Yeah, oh yeah, I got that a lot, you know, 276 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:18.120 and I'm sure I still do. I think it's uh my, 277 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:21.840 my big, my big projection onto the onto. The situation 278 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:25.559 also didn't help, like me like feeling like, you know, 279 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:29.000 I don't deserve to be here, you know, because my 280 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:31.000 path was different and I was I came from a 281 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:33.159 family friendly show, and then I went through a period 282 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:36.840 of time where based on the influence of maybe maybe 283 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:39.559 maybe what other comics said or maybe what I thought 284 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:42.840 other comics were saying, was that I felt like I 285 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:45.360 had to be edgy, or I had to swear, or 286 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:47.279 I had to go through a period where I was 287 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:50.480 here to prove something. And that's just not I mean, 288 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:53.399 that's just not really authentic to who I actually am. 289 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:55.480 So I got I kind of got away from from 290 00:12:55.519 --> 00:12:59.399 from a lot of that, And it does hurt when 291 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:02.320 when when people are saying, like, you know, like oh, well, 292 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:06.279 he only got this because of this because I work 293 00:13:06.440 --> 00:13:09.440 very hard, like I if anything, I probably work harder 294 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:13.679 than I am like to have skill or talent, you know. 295 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:18.279 I just I'm someone who I've always had a drive, 296 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:21.000 and I think you kind of need that in order 297 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:23.039 to keep up with the frequency of what the demand 298 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:26.440 of comedy and content is, especially in the current climate. 299 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:31.240 And I've always done things to try to protect myself 300 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:35.960 when it comes to uh, you know, my own fragile 301 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:39.960 I guess, like ego or perception. But comedy is like 302 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:45.200 being willing to get rejected and reevaluate and reassess and 303 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:47.000 go back in and do the work and look at 304 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:49.600 and look at the weakness and expose it over and 305 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:51.919 over and over and it never ends. So this this 306 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:54.639 healthy balance of not taking it personally and trying to 307 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:57.600 navigate who you are, your own authenticity and not leaving 308 00:13:57.639 --> 00:14:00.960 your center and the processes is has been something that 309 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:02.320 it's uh that it's tawmy. 310 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:04.960 Was there a point in your career where you said, okay, 311 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:07.159 I've made it, now I've dead. This is working. 312 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:09.799 I don't know that any of us ever feel that way. 313 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:13.639 I mean, and you shouldn't feel fear, but you definitely 314 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:16.039 should never feel fully stable. 315 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:18.240 And that's like that. 316 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:21.720 Margin is so thin you can't even if it was 317 00:14:21.759 --> 00:14:24.639 Google Maps, you'd have to do this so many times 318 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:29.399 to try to find that tributary on the freakin' on 319 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:32.440 the on the on the dividing line of one place 320 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:33.240 to the next. 321 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:35.279 Because some comics. 322 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:38.360 Feel like I meet people who there they couldn't be 323 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:41.240 less happy with everything that they have, And I've met 324 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:45.080 other comics where everything is all bravy, like this is incredible. 325 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:46.799 I just get to be here doing this. 326 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:49.840 This has insane and the energy that comes from each 327 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:52.840 of those is is something that I think is is 328 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:53.679 maybe to be learned. 329 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:56.799 You know, you can, you can learn from both. So 330 00:14:57.279 --> 00:14:57.679 I don't know. 331 00:14:57.759 --> 00:15:01.120 I don't know that the answer is ever yes, because 332 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:05.080 it's an ever moving, breathing thing. 333 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:08.759 As you're traveling the country. You're not a political comedian. 334 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:11.759 Do you feel you need to avoid it? Do you 335 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:14.519 feel you need to on any particular day. There was 336 00:15:14.559 --> 00:15:16.320 a weekend a couple of weeks ago, and I'm not 337 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:17.519 going to get into that, but you know, there were 338 00:15:17.559 --> 00:15:19.120 topics in the news where a lot of people are 339 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:21.240 very passionate about it. Do you feel you need to 340 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:24.000 address any of these things or is it more of 341 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:25.320 the That's not why we're here. 342 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:28.200 I used to feel like I can write a joke 343 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:31.759 about it, so I might as well. And I sometimes 344 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:36.440 feel like that does more harm than good because people 345 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:39.399 are so sensitive right now. And there's some comics who 346 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:41.919 are like, well, but for the sake of comedy and 347 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:44.919 for the purposes of comedy, we should be able to 348 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:47.159 say this and it is this, and people should be 349 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:50.279 able to and you know what, I agree. I agree 350 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:53.639 we should for in the name of what the art 351 00:15:53.720 --> 00:15:57.000 form is. Yeah, we should. But these are kind of 352 00:15:57.039 --> 00:16:00.679 unprecedented times, and they're certainly trying times. And if I 353 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:04.480 can try to have some grace for the situation or 354 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:07.240 maybe for the fact that people feel very personal or 355 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:10.519 very close to some of these things for reasons that 356 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:13.120 I don't understand. I try to understand that there are 357 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:16.799 things that I don't understand, and that is very difficult 358 00:16:16.799 --> 00:16:19.399 to account for something that you can't see, or that's 359 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:21.600 something that you don't know or that isn't tangible to you. 360 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:27.240 So as it applies to trying to navigate a very 361 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:33.480 hostile and volatile and maybe toxic sort of political social environment, 362 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:37.480 I have always found it to be better if I 363 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:40.600 can just make myself the target and try to have 364 00:16:40.759 --> 00:16:44.759 people try to maybe forget their lives or forget the 365 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:48.799 pressures of whatever that climate feels like. And that's hard 366 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:50.600 because there are some comics who are like, well, it's 367 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:53.080 our job, and there are even people who who are 368 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:55.919 like who say, like, we have a bigger responsibility as 369 00:16:55.960 --> 00:17:00.200 comics to get involved and stuff and maybe, but I'm 370 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:02.919 just trying to do my and maybe Andy and maybe 371 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:05.599 Bill Maher and maybe John Stewart or Trevor or like 372 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:07.960 there's there's there's you know, there are a lot of 373 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:09.960 people who I think could do it really well, and 374 00:17:10.039 --> 00:17:10.359 I can. 375 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:12.119 I feel like I can write that really well. 376 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:14.960 But does it make me feel uncomfortable knowing that I'm 377 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:18.880 making people uncomfortable? Yeah, And maybe that's because I'm I. 378 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:21.200 I don't know, I'm just I have to maybe a 379 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:24.599 little too much compassion, or I'm orm or I'm sensitive 380 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:26.279 or I'm weak or whatever. 381 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:29.680 Next week, Chappelle's heading to Minnesota, and I can't wait 382 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:33.039 to hear what he says. But conversely, j Leto is 383 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:35.519 very adamant about I don't do politics in my acts. 384 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:37.359 So if I go see Jay Leno, I understand what 385 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:39.480 I'm going to see so I think it's a tough road, 386 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:40.960 but I think he explained that really well. 387 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:43.279 You know, like Nate I think does a great job, 388 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:47.240 you know, Sebastian I think does a great job. You know. 389 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:50.519 Like if I go see Marin, I would expect Mark 390 00:17:50.559 --> 00:17:52.319 to talk about the elephant in the room, but that's 391 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:53.160 what he does. 392 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:56.640 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, like he leans into that. 393 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:01.359 I mean, he he he uh, he pursues it. 394 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:03.680 I'll let you go before I get the light. But 395 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:06.119 I just wanted to ask you, in spirit of paying 396 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:09.039 it forward as you travel the country, who's a comedian 397 00:18:09.079 --> 00:18:10.960 out there that we should know that maybe is off 398 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:12.400 our radar? Who are you into with that? 399 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:16.440 You're saying, oh, oh, well, Lachlan's a great example. Lachlan Patterson. 400 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:19.640 He'll probably be on this season of America's Got Talent. 401 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:21.559