WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:06.960 Big Food and Beyond. 2 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:10.960 With Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, so 3 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:14.240 like say subscribe and rade it five star. 4 00:00:14.599 --> 00:00:16.199 Shoo and me. 5 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:20.600 Listening. 6 00:00:20.679 --> 00:00:24.879 Oh watch lim always keep its watching. 7 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.399 And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. 8 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:33.479 Hello Cliff, Hey, Bobo, what's going on? 9 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:35.960 Man? Not mass just shaking a leg. 10 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:38.719 Yeah, very good. Don't shake it too hard, might fall. 11 00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:40.159 Off, that's all afraid of. 12 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:42.799 We got Matt Prue back. Matt's in the background somewhere. 13 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:45.039 Welcome back from a Hawaii there slick. 14 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:47.079 Aloha, pruit aloha. 15 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:49.840 Had a blast, and I've heard a lot of Bobo's 16 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:52.920 Hawaii stories. But man, what an amazing place, are you? 17 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:53.200 Tan? 18 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:55.799 There's a reason people try all the world to go there. 19 00:00:56.320 --> 00:00:57.200 Oh yeah, it was. 20 00:00:57.320 --> 00:00:59.960 It was unreal and yes I did get tann thankful, 21 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:02.960 so hopefully I can retain it. Because it's gloomy and 22 00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:06.680 cold and rainy here, so it's like the Pacific Northwest. 23 00:01:07.159 --> 00:01:09.040 It reminded me a lot of that, well, especially like 24 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:11.439 when we got to San Francisco. We spent a few 25 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:13.719 days there and that was just it reminded me very 26 00:01:13.799 --> 00:01:16.640 much as Seattle rained almost the whole time. We had 27 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:18.519 one nice day, but the rest of the time and 28 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:22.799 just that drizzle, constant drizzle, rain and cold chili wind. 29 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:24.359 And I was like, oh, yeah, I remember this weather. 30 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:27.439 It probably rained in Hawaii too, right, just sunny and rainy. 31 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:31.280 It didn't really rain too much for us, thankfully. There 32 00:01:31.319 --> 00:01:33.640 was a couple like small showers and that was about it. 33 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:37.640 I went into December January one year, many of years ago, 34 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:40.599 one of my two trips to Hawaii, one of which 35 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:42.760 was on the show, of course, and it rained pretty 36 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:44.840 much every day for about an hour and then it 37 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:46.239 was done and that was it, you know. But it 38 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:49.079 rained hard, and it was awesome and cool and rainbows 39 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:50.640 and all that jazz. So it's kind of neat. 40 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:53.079 Yeah, did you get those Were you guys getting rocked 41 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:55.359 by those big swells? Was up affected? 42 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:56.079 No? 43 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:59.239 Thankfully we didn't get hit by any of that stuff. 44 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:01.359 As you went on a cruise of course. 45 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:05.359 Yeah, we got to Honolulu, Waikiki. We stayed in Waikiki 46 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:07.840 for a few days just walking around, and then hopped 47 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:10.360 on a cruise that went to every island. So I 48 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:12.280 couldn't even name them all in order I'd have to, 49 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:13.759 like look at my notes, because it was just like 50 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:16.240 place after place. But it was really amazing to get 51 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:18.400 to see so much of everything. And some of the 52 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:20.599 islands you'd be there for like two nights, so you 53 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:23.439 could spend like a lot of time on the island 54 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:24.840 and just come back to go to sleep and get 55 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:27.599 up and go right back to the island and loiter around. 56 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:30.280 So it was super cool. I'd love to go back there. 57 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:32.080 Yeah, you were going a long time, man. 58 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:33.360 But yeah, that was amazing. 59 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:35.479 And then I'd never been to San Francisco before, and 60 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:37.319 there was quite a number of things I wanted to 61 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:39.120 see there, and luckily we got to do that and 62 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:40.879 cram everything into a couple of days. 63 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:42.240 That's a super cool town too. 64 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:45.960 Yeah. You went to the Bruce Lee Museum, of course, right, Yeah, 65 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:49.240 there's a Chinese Historical Society of America museum there and 66 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:54.199 they've run this Bruce Lee themed exhibit since twenty twenty two. 67 00:02:54.319 --> 00:02:56.360 That I was always like, Man, I'd be amazing to see. 68 00:02:56.360 --> 00:02:58.000 I've always wanted to go there. Bruce Lee was born 69 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:00.039 there in San Francisco, so I went to the and 70 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:03.199 He's hospital there where he was born, and he came 71 00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:05.319 back there for quite a while and then lived in 72 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:07.400 Oakland for a bit and had a lot of kind 73 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:10.080 of milestones in his life happened in and around Oakland, 74 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:11.960 in the San Francisco area, so I got to see 75 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:14.280 some of those spots. Not as many on the Oakland side, 76 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:15.919 but it was super cool to see all that. And 77 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:19.120 then obviously the hate Ashbury area, that was crazy to 78 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:20.879 see what a cool strip that is. 79 00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:23.120 I've been there in years and years and years. But 80 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:24.680 you know, he didn't live that far from there for 81 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:26.159 a while. I lived in San Francisco for a couple 82 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:28.960 of years, so I had more than my fair share. 83 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:30.199 Oh I didn't know that. 84 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:33.159 Yeah, I lived in San Francisco for like the four years, 85 00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:35.560 three or four years somewhere in there. Yeah, not far 86 00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:39.039 from hate Ashbury. That's like up in the inner Sunset. 87 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:42.319 And then in Burnal Heights, which is kind of on 88 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:43.560 the other side of town, a little bit, a little 89 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:45.840 bit in the sunnier side of town. But it was great, 90 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:48.159 It was great, And all that time I never went 91 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:50.479 to think I went to Fisherman's Worf once. I never 92 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:52.639 went to Alcatraz. It's never did the tourist stuff, because 93 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:54.360 you know, it is when he lived someplace you just 94 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:54.879 don't do it. 95 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:58.719 He blew it not going to Alcatraz that place rules. 96 00:03:58.159 --> 00:04:00.520 Perhaps I have, but I don't know that dead yet. 97 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:02.599 Yeah, I got to see it, and we stayed in 98 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:04.719 Fishermen's Wharf, so we walked around there quite a bit, 99 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:06.800 and so we could see Alcatraz in the distance, but 100 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:09.000 didn't get to like hit that spot on a tour. 101 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:11.199 And then we had a tour booked, like or a 102 00:04:11.319 --> 00:04:14.039 ride booked to go to Mirror Woods, and then the 103 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:16.680 morning it was going to depart, they closed it because 104 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:20.199 the weather impacted the roads. And then Mirror Woods like 105 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:23.399 all their facilities lost power, so like their restrooms and 106 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:26.839 whatever other like publicly accessible facilities they had there. So 107 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:29.199 they were just closing the whole area to outsiders for 108 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:31.600 the day. So super bum they didn't get to see 109 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:33.040 Mere Woods. But I'm sure we'll go back. 110 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:35.279 Yeah, it's all right. I mean, Meerwoods is kind of 111 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:36.920 like a you know, you know, if you go to 112 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:39.040 the you spend a lot of time on National forest land, 113 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:39.879 and then all of a sudden you go to a 114 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:41.800 state park, you know, and you kind of feel the difference. 115 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:44.199 That's kind of what Mirror Woods was to me. 116 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:44.439 You know. 117 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:46.079 It's like, well, I spent so much time in the 118 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:48.319 Redwoods and up there in you know, Bluff Creek and 119 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:50.399 Six Rivers and in the Sierras, and then you go 120 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:52.959 to mere Woods and it's like a controlled little area. 121 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:55.839 It's not little, end. It's pretty big, I guess, but 122 00:04:56.079 --> 00:04:58.040 with red woods and stuff, and it's cool. It's cool, 123 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:01.160 don't get me wrong. But it's like the remnants of 124 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:03.959 what it once was when everything was cool there, you know. So, 125 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:06.720 I mean, I'm gonna I wouldn't say you didn't miss anything, 126 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:09.199 but you know, if you've been to the Redwoods and stuff, 127 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:10.879 it doesn't really compare. 128 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:14.279 Yeah, I figured to be pretty manicured since it's so 129 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:16.319 publicly accessible, but it still would have been cool to 130 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:16.680 see it. 131 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:18.639 Oh yeah, that's cool. It's cool. There's lots of neat, 132 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:21.680 little Heidi holes in tucked away areas in the Bay Area, 133 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:24.160 you know, up in marin especially, and a lot of 134 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:27.560 really cool things. Of course, populations even bigger now than 135 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:28.959 it was when I lived there. I think I lived 136 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:31.800 there from nineteen ninety seven until about two thousand or 137 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:33.720 two thousand and one, maybe give or take a year 138 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:35.240 on either side. Yeah somewhere in there. 139 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:37.959 That's crazy. I did not know that. 140 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:40.560 Oh yeah, I get around a little bit. But anyway, 141 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:43.399 Q and a Day, Happy December, Q and a Day everybody. 142 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:46.959 We're going to do our question and answer sessions. Bobo's here, 143 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:50.959 Matt's here, I'm here, and we have some voicemails. I'm 144 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:51.800 assuming right, Matt. 145 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:52.480 Yep. 146 00:05:52.519 --> 00:05:55.639 We got three voicemails here, and this first one is 147 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:59.000 in response to a new Small Town Monsters release that 148 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:00.920 I'll put a link to in the show notes from 149 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:04.639 our good friend Alexander Pettakov. A great little production he 150 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:06.920 did dedicated to the Go Road, which is super cool. 151 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:08.639 I watched that when we were out and about. So 152 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:11.560 this one is for our good man, the Bobes. And 153 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:13.240 here it is, Bobo. 154 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:17.360 I recently watched you on Small Town Monsters, where you 155 00:06:17.480 --> 00:06:22.079 said you heard something very big snapped the Pheromone chips, 156 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:26.639 but you pulled your sleeping bag up over your eyes, 157 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:30.079 and then you described it crossing the road and going 158 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:34.839 down the hill. Why wouldn't you want to look for something, 159 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:37.800 even a little peak at something that you continue to 160 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:42.079 search for most of your life. Thanks for the time 161 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:43.399 of answering my question. 162 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:46.800 Great question. And I used to give money makers so 163 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:49.040 much grief because he told me about that story about 164 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:52.600 in Ohio and the thing walked up at sunrise. It 165 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:54.920 was just like it was just getting light, but you 166 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:57.160 could totaly see like around like he would have saw 167 00:06:57.160 --> 00:06:58.839 it that it was walking right around his jeep and 168 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:00.879 he was sleeping in the back head in the back 169 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:03.199 seat down was crashed out back there, and he just 170 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:06.040 pulled his blanket over his head. I was like, you wist, 171 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:08.040 like how could you Like, I just could not understand 172 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:10.399 how he did it. I'm like, what do you like, dude, 173 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:13.000 Like just take a look, like what the And when 174 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:16.279 that happened, I couldn't see it anyways, because my eyes 175 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:17.839 were open at first. When I just saw this, it 176 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:20.639 just like all of a sudden, the stars were gone, 177 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:22.839 you know. It's just like this giant black masks and 178 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:26.279 there's just the foot falls just boom boom, like it 179 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:29.360 was taking like six foot steps probably, and it was 180 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:31.680 just it just sounded so big and the and there 181 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:34.759 was just this overpowering like I don't know if it 182 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:36.120 was in it for sounding or if it was just 183 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:40.360 me being that freaking terrified of it, but it walked, 184 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:42.720 it walked past within three four feet of me, like, 185 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:45.120 you know, for sure it was within three feet of me. 186 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:48.160 I could have I might have been, you know, popped 187 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:49.639 up with some of my light on it or something. 188 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:51.839 But I was still afraid it just gonna rip me 189 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:54.560 out of that truck. I just I just whisked out, 190 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:55.839 like I was scared to death. 191 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:58.240 Yeah, And people want to hear it because the segment 192 00:07:58.279 --> 00:08:01.040 in the small Town Monster's bit is, you know, just 193 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:03.000 a couple of minutes long of Bobo's on the story. 194 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:05.879 But there was an episode that just Bobo and I 195 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:10.560 did last August, episode two twenty four, Bobo's First Sighting, 196 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:13.480 where we talk about that story fairly in depth, along 197 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:15.759 with a couple of other things in and around Bobo's 198 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:18.160 First Sighting. So listeners, if you're not familiar with that, 199 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:19.800 go back and listen to that episode. 200 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:21.000 Do you regret it, Bobo? 201 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:24.759 Yeah, I mean, I mean it would have been tough 202 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:27.040 for me. I mean, yeah, I should I should have 203 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:30.279 been I should have my light ready, and I did. 204 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:31.759 I did have high light right there. I mean I 205 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:34.720 had a spotlight right there, and I just I just 206 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:37.919 panicked and it was just so it was so overbearing, 207 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:42.440 like overbearingly powerful. It was just like it was intense. 208 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:45.600 It was I was just like, oh my god, this 209 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:48.200 because I think I thought that's the giant one that 210 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:50.159 I seen. That's what I thought. I'm like, I think 211 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:53.799 it was such a huge stud like and yeah, I 212 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:55.559 definitely should have taken a look and I didn't, and 213 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:56.879 I regret it. 214 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:00.559 Yeah, big footing once you if you're big footing for 215 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:02.559 any length of time, you know, years, a couple of 216 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:05.320 years or so, you're you're going to walk away with regrets. 217 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:07.159 I don't see any other way around it, you know, 218 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:10.600 looking back at my you know, big footing life. This 219 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:15.480 chock full of awesome opportunities that I regret screwing up 220 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:19.639 somehow one way or another. I still enjoy it luckily, 221 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:21.360 but could have done better. 222 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:23.000 Absolutely agree. 223 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:25.080 And I think I know we talked about this on 224 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:27.039 a members episode, but I don't think we talked about 225 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:29.799 it on this side. But those, to me are very 226 00:09:29.799 --> 00:09:33.279 often the most fascinating stories, were the most fascinating people 227 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:34.919 to talk to, because you know, we get so hung 228 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:38.919 up on witnesses, and most witnesses have their experiences or 229 00:09:38.960 --> 00:09:42.120 their observations as a product of luck. Basically, whether it's 230 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:44.039 good or bad luck is really up to the witness 231 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:46.679 and how they respond to it. But those of us, 232 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:48.919 you know, who've been at it a long time, I 233 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:51.120 think we learn a lot from stories like that, like 234 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:54.600 people who've who've made errors and who have agonized over 235 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:56.559 it for years, and he could say, here's what I 236 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:59.799 would have done differently, And that's way more informative than like, oh, 237 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:01.480 I happened to be at the right place at the 238 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:05.159 right time. Is learning from people getting insights into what 239 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:07.399 they wish they had done differently, and then carrying that 240 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:09.799 in the field with you of like, Okay, well here's 241 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:10.879 how I should be prepared. 242 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:14.639 Yeah, I agree, but it's an argument to be made. 243 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:16.480 And I don't think this is exactly true, but I 244 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:18.919 think there's some truth in it that no matter how 245 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:21.080 well prepared you think you are, you just don't know 246 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:23.159 what it's going to be like when one's actually there 247 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:26.759 and you're faced with that situation. Because also I used 248 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:28.399 to do I've done the same thing. Of course, I 249 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.080 think we're all guilty of this. At some point. We're saying, well, 250 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:34.679 if it happened to me, I would do this, and no, no, 251 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:37.080 you don't know. What you should say is I would 252 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:40.320 want to do this, because at least that's accurate, because 253 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:43.200 you're saying I would do that. Now that's foolish. You 254 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:46.679 don't know what you're gonna do. Because when the adrenaline 255 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:50.320 is running and it's dark or it's spooky and there's 256 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:55.080 a large like a large animal right there that you 257 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:57.240 can't see but you know it's there and you hear 258 00:10:57.320 --> 00:10:59.679 it and you know it's big, all bets are off, 259 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:01.840 no matter how bitch and you think you are. I 260 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:04.960 would do this. Yeah, that's cute. No, you don't know 261 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:07.200 what you're going to do until you're actually there. 262 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:09.559 Oh, that's a big part of it. The other part 263 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:11.360 of it that people don't think about it. That's happened 264 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:13.279 to me many times that I've had to learn that 265 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:17.559 I'm very prone to type two errors. Many times that 266 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:21.480 I've been out in the field actively pursuing things, things 267 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:25.080 have happened and I've gone no way, no way, that's 268 00:11:25.159 --> 00:11:26.720 got to be a bear, that's got to be an 269 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:29.039 elk oh, that that has to be a person over there, 270 00:11:29.600 --> 00:11:32.159 you know, and been like too dismissive immediately instead of 271 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:35.320 saying like no, even though my instincts telling me that 272 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:38.360 I need to just still investigate this as hard as possible. 273 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:42.000 But sometimes things are so blatantly obvious that you're like, 274 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:44.919 there's no way that's a sasquatch. There's no way that 275 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:47.279 a sasquatch would come this close and broad daylight under 276 00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:51.279 these conditions. It has to be something more mundane and 277 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:54.200 like too quick to write things off that in retrospect 278 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:57.600 of like no, I should have like thrown everything out 279 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:00.440 it and go chase it instead of being sure that like, ah, no, 280 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:01.759 it can't be you know. 281 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:05.360 Yeah, I just I just sort of bigfoot BFI report 282 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:08.879 from the expedition, and I think West Virginia or Virginia. 283 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:12.360 But the guy was with the group that someone said 284 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:14.879 they heard one of the day before pounding on the 285 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:17.360 of an abandoned building up off the trail, and they 286 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:18.879 all walked up there, and no one walked behind the 287 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:21.679 building where they heard the pounding from the group kept walking. 288 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:23.320 This guy walked back there and stood there back there 289 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:25.360 for a few minutes, and then he noticed a face 290 00:12:25.399 --> 00:12:27.679 in the woods looking at him. He ended up having 291 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:31.960 like an extended face to face stare off at fifty 292 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:34.840 yards with a sasquatch and then he heard, you know, 293 00:12:34.919 --> 00:12:38.480 the whistling and some knocks and roars and stuff after it, 294 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:41.639 you know, broke I eye contact and broke off, but 295 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:44.840 like everyone else was just like yeah, you know, it 296 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:47.000 was yesterday or whatever whatever. They just kept walking and 297 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:48.639 the guy walked back and there was thing was sitting 298 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:49.120 back there in. 299 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:50.559 The woods exactly. 300 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:53.000 And those kinds of things have happened to me a 301 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:55.120 handful of times where it's where I've been like, now, 302 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:57.559 that has to be there, has to that has to 303 00:12:57.600 --> 00:12:58.120 be a person. 304 00:12:58.279 --> 00:12:59.639 There's no way, you know. 305 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:02.120 Because I think in our minds we think it's going 306 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:05.399 to be something big and dramatic, like a roar, a scream, 307 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:07.720 a huge branch break or something, and then you just 308 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:11.320 hear footfalls, you know that sound bipedal, and you're like, oh, 309 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:13.960 there's a dude over there. You know, we're in the 310 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:16.519 wrong spot. I thought we'd be alone here, Like are 311 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:18.320 you sure? Like I don't know, hey, man, you know 312 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:21.960 you kind of halfway investigate it. Or I think we 313 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:25.000 can be that way with certain stories sometimes too, is 314 00:13:25.039 --> 00:13:27.639 that we hear a story and we're like, that probably 315 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:29.679 didn't happen. That might be too good to be true. 316 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:33.960 We'll see if anything shakes out. And then down the 317 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:36.440 line you get more reasons to think, man, I should 318 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:40.200 have probably dropped everything and gone and chased that story immediately, 319 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:43.039 because I might have actually come up with something instead 320 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:46.240 of going, nah, it's probably not you know, I still 321 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:50.840 think that's better than believing that everything you know, because 322 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:53.799 a type one error is that you attribute everything. Every 323 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:56.159 branch break is a sasquatch and every divod in the 324 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:58.840 ground is a sasquatch track, and every story is true. 325 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:01.600 So Type two was probably still a little bit better, 326 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:03.000 but very flawed. 327 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:06.360 Nonetheless, well, I ran into some problems about not two 328 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:08.480 months ago, and Nico and I and this this is 329 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:11.000 on in one of the member museum videos too, so 330 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:14.159 if any museum members out there, you might have seen 331 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:15.840 them in this video. But Niko and I were out 332 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:19.399 down kind of off the Calawa Wash River and we're 333 00:14:19.440 --> 00:14:23.039 back on these these logging roads a million miles from anywhere, 334 00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:25.679 and I'm rounding up to the nearest million miles, of course, 335 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:28.440 and we're walking around there and there's we hear some 336 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:30.559 noises off to the right of the road, you know, 337 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:33.519 guessing about one hundred yards hundred fifty yards back and 338 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:36.159 it sounds big, you know, real big. Then we stop 339 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:38.039 and we're like looking at each other, kind of like 340 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:40.519 making sure that the other person knows what's going on, 341 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:43.799 and we're thinking, what is that. We're thinking, you know, 342 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:48.440 it's big enough. We're thinking, okay, elk bear, saasquatch, maybe deer, 343 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:50.600 but like probably one of the first three, you know, 344 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:53.480 and then the scraping noise. We don't hear any vocal 345 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:57.360 vocalizing or grunts or anything like that. And then we 346 00:14:57.399 --> 00:15:00.919 hear another one, like and this one is up further 347 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:03.919 in a tree, and we kind of pieced it together 348 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:06.720 over the next three or four or five minutes. You 349 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:09.240 know that it was probably a bear and a cub, 350 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:12.519 like probably because there were two of them, one was 351 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:14.440 up in a tree, a scraping noise, I mean, it 352 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:17.559 could have been some other things. Porcupine actually crossed our minds. 353 00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:19.840 They're very rare where we live, but they are here 354 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:21.919 and they do make a big ruckus noise and stuff. 355 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:24.120 But it just sounded way too big, and we were 356 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:26.559 kind of we're thinking we should go in and look. 357 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:30.919 But if it was one bear, I think we probably 358 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:34.639 would have. But our hypothesis is that it was two 359 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:37.639 bears and a cub on top of it. And that's 360 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:39.840 just a situation where you're asking for it when you're 361 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:41.840 you know, a mile and a half from the car, 362 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:44.039 you know, and you can't drive to where you were 363 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:45.960 and all this other stuff. It's, you know, somebody gets 364 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:49.200 messed up. It's a long drag of a you know, 365 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:54.600 an injured person out essentially. So when you're face to 366 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:57.240 that situation, it's like, yeah, there's a large animal there, 367 00:15:57.960 --> 00:15:59.919 and you know, at a bear and a cub potentially 368 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:03.039 potentially life threatening, are you going to run towards it? 369 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:08.519 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 370 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:16.840 We'll be right back after these messages. All right, Should 371 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:18.679 we go to the next question the next voicemail? 372 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:20.200 Yep, and here it is. 373 00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:24.480 Hello, gentlemen, This is Kevin from Nashville, Tennessee. I was 374 00:16:24.559 --> 00:16:29.799 recently re listening to another wonderful podcast called Astonishing Legends, 375 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:33.320 and they did kind of a six part deep dive 376 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:36.200 into the Patterson Gimlin film. It's a great series, and 377 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:38.960 in it they had mentioned something which I've heard before 378 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:43.399 that there were two other track sizes found in addition 379 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:47.919 to Patty's, presumably like a larger male and a smaller juvenile. 380 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:50.720 So I've got two questions related to these tracks. The 381 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:54.320 first is were these found the same day? Like was 382 00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:57.360 this something that was found on the same sandbar or 383 00:16:57.480 --> 00:17:00.639 is this a different event altogether? And then the second 384 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:05.039 question is have you ever seen photos or casts of 385 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:08.119 these tracks? And if so, what are your thoughts? Thanks, guys, 386 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:08.680 love the show. 387 00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:11.599 That's a good question. I've got some answers for you 388 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:15.079 on that one. At the PG side itself on that day, 389 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:17.680 there was only one sasquatch present. Lots of people say, 390 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:19.200 oh no, you could see it in the woods and 391 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:21.319 babies and this and that whatever. Now, No, there's only 392 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:23.480 one sasquatch present as far as we know. If there 393 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:25.200 was another one there, no one's ever seen it. So 394 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:29.000 those are all blob squatches behind and bakshor desk kind 395 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:32.279 of chasing willow wisps and that sort of stuff. So, 396 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:35.079 at the PG side itself on that day, October twenty, 397 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:38.759 nineteen sixty seven, one sasquatch was present that we know of. Period. 398 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:43.480 What you're referring to are is kind of bleed over 399 00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:46.680 from the August nineteen sixty seven Blue Creek Mountain tracks 400 00:17:47.559 --> 00:17:49.720 up on There were two events in August, one in 401 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:51.400