Speaker 1: Big Food and Beyond.
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Speaker 1: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 2: Hello Cliff, Hey, Bobo, what's going on?
Speaker 5: Man? Not mass just shaking a leg.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very good. Don't shake it too hard, might fall.
Speaker 5: Off, that's all afraid of.
Speaker 2: We got Matt Prue back. Matt's in the background somewhere.
Speaker 2: Welcome back from a Hawaii there slick.
Speaker 5: Aloha, pruit aloha.
Speaker 1: Had a blast, and I've heard a lot of Bobo's
Speaker 1: Hawaii stories. But man, what an amazing place, are you?
Speaker 2: Tan?
Speaker 5: There's a reason people try all the world to go there.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was unreal and yes I did get tann thankful,
Speaker 1: so hopefully I can retain it. Because it's gloomy and
Speaker 1: cold and rainy here, so it's like the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 1: It reminded me a lot of that, well, especially like
Speaker 1: when we got to San Francisco. We spent a few
Speaker 1: days there and that was just it reminded me very
Speaker 1: much as Seattle rained almost the whole time. We had
Speaker 1: one nice day, but the rest of the time and
Speaker 1: just that drizzle, constant drizzle, rain and cold chili wind.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, yeah, I remember this weather.
Speaker 2: It probably rained in Hawaii too, right, just sunny and rainy.
Speaker 1: It didn't really rain too much for us, thankfully. There
Speaker 1: was a couple like small showers and that was about it.
Speaker 2: I went into December January one year, many of years ago,
Speaker 2: one of my two trips to Hawaii, one of which
Speaker 2: was on the show, of course, and it rained pretty
Speaker 2: much every day for about an hour and then it
Speaker 2: was done and that was it, you know. But it
Speaker 2: rained hard, and it was awesome and cool and rainbows
Speaker 2: and all that jazz. So it's kind of neat.
Speaker 5: Yeah, did you get those Were you guys getting rocked
Speaker 5: by those big swells? Was up affected?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: Thankfully we didn't get hit by any of that stuff.
Speaker 2: As you went on a cruise of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to Honolulu, Waikiki. We stayed in Waikiki
Speaker 1: for a few days just walking around, and then hopped
Speaker 1: on a cruise that went to every island. So I
Speaker 1: couldn't even name them all in order I'd have to,
Speaker 1: like look at my notes, because it was just like
Speaker 1: place after place. But it was really amazing to get
Speaker 1: to see so much of everything. And some of the
Speaker 1: islands you'd be there for like two nights, so you
Speaker 1: could spend like a lot of time on the island
Speaker 1: and just come back to go to sleep and get
Speaker 1: up and go right back to the island and loiter around.
Speaker 6: So it was super cool. I'd love to go back there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were going a long time, man.
Speaker 6: But yeah, that was amazing.
Speaker 1: And then I'd never been to San Francisco before, and
Speaker 1: there was quite a number of things I wanted to
Speaker 1: see there, and luckily we got to do that and
Speaker 1: cram everything into a couple of days.
Speaker 6: That's a super cool town too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You went to the Bruce Lee Museum, of course, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a Chinese Historical Society of America museum there and
Speaker 2: they've run this Bruce Lee themed exhibit since twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: That I was always like, Man, I'd be amazing to see.
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to go there. Bruce Lee was born
Speaker 1: there in San Francisco, so I went to the and
Speaker 1: He's hospital there where he was born, and he came
Speaker 1: back there for quite a while and then lived in
Speaker 1: Oakland for a bit and had a lot of kind
Speaker 1: of milestones in his life happened in and around Oakland,
Speaker 1: in the San Francisco area, so I got to see
Speaker 1: some of those spots. Not as many on the Oakland side,
Speaker 1: but it was super cool to see all that. And
Speaker 1: then obviously the hate Ashbury area, that was crazy to
Speaker 1: see what a cool strip that is.
Speaker 2: I've been there in years and years and years. But
Speaker 2: you know, he didn't live that far from there for
Speaker 2: a while. I lived in San Francisco for a couple
Speaker 2: of years, so I had more than my fair share.
Speaker 6: Oh I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I lived in San Francisco for like the four years,
Speaker 2: three or four years somewhere in there. Yeah, not far
Speaker 2: from hate Ashbury. That's like up in the inner Sunset.
Speaker 2: And then in Burnal Heights, which is kind of on
Speaker 2: the other side of town, a little bit, a little
Speaker 2: bit in the sunnier side of town. But it was great,
Speaker 2: It was great, And all that time I never went
Speaker 2: to think I went to Fisherman's Worf once. I never
Speaker 2: went to Alcatraz. It's never did the tourist stuff, because
Speaker 2: you know, it is when he lived someplace you just
Speaker 2: don't do it.
Speaker 5: He blew it not going to Alcatraz that place rules.
Speaker 2: Perhaps I have, but I don't know that dead yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to see it, and we stayed in
Speaker 1: Fishermen's Wharf, so we walked around there quite a bit,
Speaker 1: and so we could see Alcatraz in the distance, but
Speaker 1: didn't get to like hit that spot on a tour.
Speaker 1: And then we had a tour booked, like or a
Speaker 1: ride booked to go to Mirror Woods, and then the
Speaker 1: morning it was going to depart, they closed it because
Speaker 1: the weather impacted the roads. And then Mirror Woods like
Speaker 1: all their facilities lost power, so like their restrooms and
Speaker 1: whatever other like publicly accessible facilities they had there. So
Speaker 1: they were just closing the whole area to outsiders for
Speaker 1: the day. So super bum they didn't get to see
Speaker 1: Mere Woods. But I'm sure we'll go back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all right. I mean, Meerwoods is kind of
Speaker 2: like a you know, you know, if you go to
Speaker 2: the you spend a lot of time on National forest land,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden you go to a
Speaker 2: state park, you know, and you kind of feel the difference.
Speaker 2: That's kind of what Mirror Woods was to me.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, I spent so much time in the
Speaker 2: Redwoods and up there in you know, Bluff Creek and
Speaker 2: Six Rivers and in the Sierras, and then you go
Speaker 2: to mere Woods and it's like a controlled little area.
Speaker 2: It's not little, end. It's pretty big, I guess, but
Speaker 2: with red woods and stuff, and it's cool. It's cool,
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong. But it's like the remnants of
Speaker 2: what it once was when everything was cool there, you know. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna I wouldn't say you didn't miss anything,
Speaker 2: but you know, if you've been to the Redwoods and stuff,
Speaker 2: it doesn't really compare.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I figured to be pretty manicured since it's so
Speaker 1: publicly accessible, but it still would have been cool to
Speaker 1: see it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's cool. It's cool. There's lots of neat,
Speaker 2: little Heidi holes in tucked away areas in the Bay Area,
Speaker 2: you know, up in marin especially, and a lot of
Speaker 2: really cool things. Of course, populations even bigger now than
Speaker 2: it was when I lived there. I think I lived
Speaker 2: there from nineteen ninety seven until about two thousand or
Speaker 2: two thousand and one, maybe give or take a year
Speaker 2: on either side. Yeah somewhere in there.
Speaker 6: That's crazy. I did not know that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I get around a little bit. But anyway,
Speaker 2: Q and a Day, Happy December, Q and a Day everybody.
Speaker 2: We're going to do our question and answer sessions. Bobo's here,
Speaker 2: Matt's here, I'm here, and we have some voicemails. I'm
Speaker 2: assuming right, Matt.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 1: We got three voicemails here, and this first one is
Speaker 1: in response to a new Small Town Monsters release that
Speaker 1: I'll put a link to in the show notes from
Speaker 1: our good friend Alexander Pettakov. A great little production he
Speaker 1: did dedicated to the Go Road, which is super cool.
Speaker 1: I watched that when we were out and about. So
Speaker 1: this one is for our good man, the Bobes. And
Speaker 1: here it is, Bobo.
Speaker 7: I recently watched you on Small Town Monsters, where you
Speaker 7: said you heard something very big snapped the Pheromone chips,
Speaker 7: but you pulled your sleeping bag up over your eyes,
Speaker 7: and then you described it crossing the road and going
Speaker 7: down the hill. Why wouldn't you want to look for something,
Speaker 7: even a little peak at something that you continue to
Speaker 7: search for most of your life. Thanks for the time
Speaker 7: of answering my question.
Speaker 5: Great question. And I used to give money makers so
Speaker 5: much grief because he told me about that story about
Speaker 5: in Ohio and the thing walked up at sunrise. It
Speaker 5: was just like it was just getting light, but you
Speaker 5: could totaly see like around like he would have saw
Speaker 5: it that it was walking right around his jeep and
Speaker 5: he was sleeping in the back head in the back
Speaker 5: seat down was crashed out back there, and he just
Speaker 5: pulled his blanket over his head. I was like, you wist,
Speaker 5: like how could you Like, I just could not understand
Speaker 5: how he did it. I'm like, what do you like, dude,
Speaker 5: Like just take a look, like what the And when
Speaker 5: that happened, I couldn't see it anyways, because my eyes
Speaker 5: were open at first. When I just saw this, it
Speaker 5: just like all of a sudden, the stars were gone,
Speaker 5: you know. It's just like this giant black masks and
Speaker 5: there's just the foot falls just boom boom, like it
Speaker 5: was taking like six foot steps probably, and it was
Speaker 5: just it just sounded so big and the and there
Speaker 5: was just this overpowering like I don't know if it
Speaker 5: was in it for sounding or if it was just
Speaker 5: me being that freaking terrified of it, but it walked,
Speaker 5: it walked past within three four feet of me, like,
Speaker 5: you know, for sure it was within three feet of me.
Speaker 5: I could have I might have been, you know, popped
Speaker 5: up with some of my light on it or something.
Speaker 5: But I was still afraid it just gonna rip me
Speaker 5: out of that truck. I just I just whisked out,
Speaker 5: like I was scared to death.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And people want to hear it because the segment
Speaker 1: in the small Town Monster's bit is, you know, just
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes long of Bobo's on the story.
Speaker 1: But there was an episode that just Bobo and I
Speaker 1: did last August, episode two twenty four, Bobo's First Sighting,
Speaker 1: where we talk about that story fairly in depth, along
Speaker 1: with a couple of other things in and around Bobo's
Speaker 1: First Sighting. So listeners, if you're not familiar with that,
Speaker 1: go back and listen to that episode.
Speaker 2: Do you regret it, Bobo?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I mean it would have been tough
Speaker 5: for me. I mean, yeah, I should I should have
Speaker 5: been I should have my light ready, and I did.
Speaker 5: I did have high light right there. I mean I
Speaker 5: had a spotlight right there, and I just I just
Speaker 5: panicked and it was just so it was so overbearing,
Speaker 5: like overbearingly powerful. It was just like it was intense.
Speaker 5: It was I was just like, oh my god, this
Speaker 5: because I think I thought that's the giant one that
Speaker 5: I seen. That's what I thought. I'm like, I think
Speaker 5: it was such a huge stud like and yeah, I
Speaker 5: definitely should have taken a look and I didn't, and
Speaker 5: I regret it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, big footing once you if you're big footing for
Speaker 2: any length of time, you know, years, a couple of
Speaker 2: years or so, you're you're going to walk away with regrets.
Speaker 2: I don't see any other way around it, you know,
Speaker 2: looking back at my you know, big footing life. This
Speaker 2: chock full of awesome opportunities that I regret screwing up
Speaker 2: somehow one way or another. I still enjoy it luckily,
Speaker 2: but could have done better.
Speaker 6: Absolutely agree.
Speaker 1: And I think I know we talked about this on
Speaker 1: a members episode, but I don't think we talked about
Speaker 1: it on this side. But those, to me are very
Speaker 1: often the most fascinating stories, were the most fascinating people
Speaker 1: to talk to, because you know, we get so hung
Speaker 1: up on witnesses, and most witnesses have their experiences or
Speaker 1: their observations as a product of luck. Basically, whether it's
Speaker 1: good or bad luck is really up to the witness
Speaker 1: and how they respond to it. But those of us,
Speaker 1: you know, who've been at it a long time, I
Speaker 1: think we learn a lot from stories like that, like
Speaker 1: people who've who've made errors and who have agonized over
Speaker 1: it for years, and he could say, here's what I
Speaker 1: would have done differently, And that's way more informative than like, oh,
Speaker 1: I happened to be at the right place at the
Speaker 1: right time. Is learning from people getting insights into what
Speaker 1: they wish they had done differently, and then carrying that
Speaker 1: in the field with you of like, Okay, well here's
Speaker 1: how I should be prepared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, but it's an argument to be made.
Speaker 2: And I don't think this is exactly true, but I
Speaker 2: think there's some truth in it that no matter how
Speaker 2: well prepared you think you are, you just don't know
Speaker 2: what it's going to be like when one's actually there
Speaker 2: and you're faced with that situation. Because also I used
Speaker 2: to do I've done the same thing. Of course, I
Speaker 2: think we're all guilty of this. At some point. We're saying, well,
Speaker 2: if it happened to me, I would do this, and no, no,
Speaker 2: you don't know. What you should say is I would
Speaker 2: want to do this, because at least that's accurate, because
Speaker 2: you're saying I would do that. Now that's foolish. You
Speaker 2: don't know what you're gonna do. Because when the adrenaline
Speaker 2: is running and it's dark or it's spooky and there's
Speaker 2: a large like a large animal right there that you
Speaker 2: can't see but you know it's there and you hear
Speaker 2: it and you know it's big, all bets are off,
Speaker 2: no matter how bitch and you think you are. I
Speaker 2: would do this. Yeah, that's cute. No, you don't know
Speaker 2: what you're going to do until you're actually there.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a big part of it. The other part
Speaker 1: of it that people don't think about it. That's happened
Speaker 1: to me many times that I've had to learn that
Speaker 1: I'm very prone to type two errors. Many times that
Speaker 1: I've been out in the field actively pursuing things, things
Speaker 1: have happened and I've gone no way, no way, that's
Speaker 1: got to be a bear, that's got to be an
Speaker 1: elk oh, that that has to be a person over there,
Speaker 1: you know, and been like too dismissive immediately instead of
Speaker 1: saying like no, even though my instincts telling me that
Speaker 1: I need to just still investigate this as hard as possible.
Speaker 1: But sometimes things are so blatantly obvious that you're like,
Speaker 1: there's no way that's a sasquatch. There's no way that
Speaker 1: a sasquatch would come this close and broad daylight under
Speaker 1: these conditions. It has to be something more mundane and
Speaker 1: like too quick to write things off that in retrospect
Speaker 1: of like no, I should have like thrown everything out
Speaker 1: it and go chase it instead of being sure that like, ah, no,
Speaker 1: it can't be you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just I just sort of bigfoot BFI report
Speaker 5: from the expedition, and I think West Virginia or Virginia.
Speaker 5: But the guy was with the group that someone said
Speaker 5: they heard one of the day before pounding on the
Speaker 5: of an abandoned building up off the trail, and they
Speaker 5: all walked up there, and no one walked behind the
Speaker 5: building where they heard the pounding from the group kept walking.
Speaker 5: This guy walked back there and stood there back there
Speaker 5: for a few minutes, and then he noticed a face
Speaker 5: in the woods looking at him. He ended up having
Speaker 5: like an extended face to face stare off at fifty
Speaker 5: yards with a sasquatch and then he heard, you know,
Speaker 5: the whistling and some knocks and roars and stuff after it,
Speaker 5: you know, broke I eye contact and broke off, but
Speaker 5: like everyone else was just like yeah, you know, it
Speaker 5: was yesterday or whatever whatever. They just kept walking and
Speaker 5: the guy walked back and there was thing was sitting
Speaker 5: back there in.
Speaker 6: The woods exactly.
Speaker 1: And those kinds of things have happened to me a
Speaker 1: handful of times where it's where I've been like, now,
Speaker 1: that has to be there, has to that has to
Speaker 1: be a person.
Speaker 6: There's no way, you know.
Speaker 1: Because I think in our minds we think it's going
Speaker 1: to be something big and dramatic, like a roar, a scream,
Speaker 1: a huge branch break or something, and then you just
Speaker 1: hear footfalls, you know that sound bipedal, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's a dude over there. You know, we're in the
Speaker 1: wrong spot. I thought we'd be alone here, Like are
Speaker 1: you sure? Like I don't know, hey, man, you know
Speaker 1: you kind of halfway investigate it. Or I think we
Speaker 1: can be that way with certain stories sometimes too, is
Speaker 1: that we hear a story and we're like, that probably
Speaker 1: didn't happen. That might be too good to be true.
Speaker 1: We'll see if anything shakes out. And then down the
Speaker 1: line you get more reasons to think, man, I should
Speaker 1: have probably dropped everything and gone and chased that story immediately,
Speaker 1: because I might have actually come up with something instead
Speaker 1: of going, nah, it's probably not you know, I still
Speaker 1: think that's better than believing that everything you know, because
Speaker 1: a type one error is that you attribute everything. Every
Speaker 1: branch break is a sasquatch and every divod in the
Speaker 1: ground is a sasquatch track, and every story is true.
Speaker 1: So Type two was probably still a little bit better,
Speaker 1: but very flawed.
Speaker 2: Nonetheless, well, I ran into some problems about not two
Speaker 2: months ago, and Nico and I and this this is
Speaker 2: on in one of the member museum videos too, so
Speaker 2: if any museum members out there, you might have seen
Speaker 2: them in this video. But Niko and I were out
Speaker 2: down kind of off the Calawa Wash River and we're
Speaker 2: back on these these logging roads a million miles from anywhere,
Speaker 2: and I'm rounding up to the nearest million miles, of course,
Speaker 2: and we're walking around there and there's we hear some
Speaker 2: noises off to the right of the road, you know,
Speaker 2: guessing about one hundred yards hundred fifty yards back and
Speaker 2: it sounds big, you know, real big. Then we stop
Speaker 2: and we're like looking at each other, kind of like
Speaker 2: making sure that the other person knows what's going on,
Speaker 2: and we're thinking, what is that. We're thinking, you know,
Speaker 2: it's big enough. We're thinking, okay, elk bear, saasquatch, maybe deer,
Speaker 2: but like probably one of the first three, you know,
Speaker 2: and then the scraping noise. We don't hear any vocal
Speaker 2: vocalizing or grunts or anything like that. And then we
Speaker 2: hear another one, like and this one is up further
Speaker 2: in a tree, and we kind of pieced it together
Speaker 2: over the next three or four or five minutes. You
Speaker 2: know that it was probably a bear and a cub,
Speaker 2: like probably because there were two of them, one was
Speaker 2: up in a tree, a scraping noise, I mean, it
Speaker 2: could have been some other things. Porcupine actually crossed our minds.
Speaker 2: They're very rare where we live, but they are here
Speaker 2: and they do make a big ruckus noise and stuff.
Speaker 2: But it just sounded way too big, and we were
Speaker 2: kind of we're thinking we should go in and look.
Speaker 2: But if it was one bear, I think we probably
Speaker 2: would have. But our hypothesis is that it was two
Speaker 2: bears and a cub on top of it. And that's
Speaker 2: just a situation where you're asking for it when you're
Speaker 2: you know, a mile and a half from the car,
Speaker 2: you know, and you can't drive to where you were
Speaker 2: and all this other stuff. It's, you know, somebody gets
Speaker 2: messed up. It's a long drag of a you know,
Speaker 2: an injured person out essentially. So when you're face to
Speaker 2: that situation, it's like, yeah, there's a large animal there,
Speaker 2: and you know, at a bear and a cub potentially
Speaker 2: potentially life threatening, are you going to run towards it?
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these messages. All right, Should
Speaker 2: we go to the next question the next voicemail?
Speaker 6: Yep, and here it is.
Speaker 3: Hello, gentlemen, This is Kevin from Nashville, Tennessee. I was
Speaker 3: recently re listening to another wonderful podcast called Astonishing Legends,
Speaker 3: and they did kind of a six part deep dive
Speaker 3: into the Patterson Gimlin film. It's a great series, and
Speaker 3: in it they had mentioned something which I've heard before
Speaker 3: that there were two other track sizes found in addition
Speaker 3: to Patty's, presumably like a larger male and a smaller juvenile.
Speaker 3: So I've got two questions related to these tracks. The
Speaker 3: first is were these found the same day? Like was
Speaker 3: this something that was found on the same sandbar or
Speaker 3: is this a different event altogether? And then the second
Speaker 3: question is have you ever seen photos or casts of
Speaker 3: these tracks? And if so, what are your thoughts? Thanks, guys,
Speaker 3: love the show.
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I've got some answers for you
Speaker 2: on that one. At the PG side itself on that day,
Speaker 2: there was only one sasquatch present. Lots of people say,
Speaker 2: oh no, you could see it in the woods and
Speaker 2: babies and this and that whatever. Now, No, there's only
Speaker 2: one sasquatch present as far as we know. If there
Speaker 2: was another one there, no one's ever seen it. So
Speaker 2: those are all blob squatches behind and bakshor desk kind
Speaker 2: of chasing willow wisps and that sort of stuff. So,
Speaker 2: at the PG side itself on that day, October twenty,
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty seven, one sasquatch was present that we know of. Period.
Speaker 2: What you're referring to are is kind of bleed over
Speaker 2: from the August nineteen sixty seven Blue Creek Mountain tracks
Speaker 2: up on There were two events in August, one in
Speaker 2: the middle of August and one at the very end
Speaker 2: of August up on Blue Creek Mountain. First one is
Speaker 2: actually Onion Mountain, but Bobo can attest to this. Onion
Speaker 2: Mountain and Blue Creek Mountain are right there right almost
Speaker 2: pretty much the same place. I don't even know why
Speaker 2: they call them a different place, for pretty much the
Speaker 2: same place within a mile or two. John Green was
Speaker 2: up there and got the Onion Mountain cast I think
Speaker 2: in the middle of August, and it's a fairly small one.
Speaker 2: I think it's about a thirteen inch or something like
Speaker 2: that if I remember. And then the Blue Creek Mountain tracks,
Speaker 2: which are really well documented now there's lots of pictures
Speaker 2: of John Green and other folks there with the prints
Speaker 2: in the ground, and at that site you see John
Speaker 2: Green actually, if I remember the story right, and Bobo,
Speaker 2: you're so well read on this. If you hear me
Speaker 2: say something incorrect, please jump in. But John Green, I believe,
Speaker 2: got back from Bluff Creek from his trip in the
Speaker 2: middle of August, and like the next day or the
Speaker 2: same day or within a day or something like that.
Speaker 2: They got a call, hey, tracks are down here, and
Speaker 2: so they got a plane, I can't remember the guy's name,
Speaker 2: a pilot to fly them down to Bluff Creek. They
Speaker 2: landed I think at the Orleans Airport, and then they
Speaker 2: went up into a Fish Creek Road and up on
Speaker 2: the Blue Creek mountain side, and then there were tons
Speaker 2: into I think or over a thousand tracks or right
Speaker 2: around a thousand, maybe nine hundred something or a thousand
Speaker 2: tracks that remember exactly, And there are there were reportedly
Speaker 2: three sizes of tracks. Now this is where we get
Speaker 2: into a little bit of a wonkiness here, a little
Speaker 2: bit of trouble. I'd have to go into one of
Speaker 2: the books and dig up the exact quote. But John
Speaker 2: Green said there were three sizes reported, though he was
Speaker 2: unable to verify one of them, I think the smallest
Speaker 2: of them. So there were two sets of tracks present,
Speaker 2: and there are lots of photographs of the trackways and
Speaker 2: two sets of tracks in the same picture, even but
Speaker 2: that third set was unable to be verified by John Green,
Speaker 2: even though he spent hours and hours and hours and
Speaker 2: hours there on the site. But initially that it was
Speaker 2: reported that they were three different sizes, and then of
Speaker 2: course you run into a lot of problems with the
Speaker 2: Blue Creek Mountain stuff. I'm on the fence. I don't
Speaker 2: even know if those are real. Honestly, at this point,
Speaker 2: there's really good reason to think that they're not real.
Speaker 2: If you look into the Meet the Sasquatch book or
Speaker 2: the second edition Know the Sasquatch, they Murphy covers us
Speaker 2: pretty well. There's that, And it's funny actually in the
Speaker 2: first edition of Meet the Sasquatch, the second one is
Speaker 2: Know the Saasquatch and Meet the Sasquatch. I am given
Speaker 2: photo credit for a picture I didn't take, which is odd.
Speaker 2: Peter Burn, many many years ago, I was at Peter
Speaker 2: Burn's house when he lived up in one of those canyons,
Speaker 2: like to Panka Canyon or one of those canyons up
Speaker 2: above Los Angeles, and I visited him way back in
Speaker 2: the day, and he brought out a shoe box of stuff,
Speaker 2: and he was shown us some pictures of bigfoot stuff.
Speaker 2: And he basically gave me an envelope with some with
Speaker 2: a with negatives and a bunch of prints in there.
Speaker 2: Of these these footprints, and you did know where they're from.
Speaker 2: He said, yeah, someone gave me these. You can just
Speaker 2: have them do whatever you want with them, like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's cool, Wow, that's really generous. And so I got
Speaker 2: them scanned and everything like that, and they're really interesting pictures.
Speaker 2: There are pictures of there are three footprints photographs I
Speaker 2: believe in the ground, and then a photograph of the
Speaker 2: Willow Creek statue, an incomplete statue of Willow Creek, the
Speaker 2: one that Jim McLaren carved, so that gives us a date.
Speaker 2: Basically it was basically in about nineteen sixty seven. And
Speaker 2: then doing a little bit more slew thing, we found
Speaker 2: and I also called the person who took the photograph.
Speaker 2: Actually she was dead. I called Door I think or
Speaker 2: the first name was Dorain or last name was Spook
Speaker 2: her and either I spoke to Dorain or I spoke
Speaker 2: to Dorian's daughter. The original photographer was dead. This is
Speaker 2: I spoke to the daughter. There's some phone number associated
Speaker 2: with it. And she said that her dad was a
Speaker 2: road building crew and he showed up in the more
Speaker 2: like mom would drop him off at work in the morning,
Speaker 2: like way back there, twenty miles back in the mountains,
Speaker 2: and then they would he was a mechanic or something
Speaker 2: for the cats and the heavy machinery. And they showed
Speaker 2: up one day and there were these footprints everywhere, and
Speaker 2: you know, the tools were scattered about and the typical
Speaker 2: sort of like Bluff Creek esque sort of stories, you know,
Speaker 2: things tossed about and tools spilled and that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: And they took a couple of pictures basically, and then
Speaker 2: they left. So this guy was certainly working on the
Speaker 2: Blue Creek Mountain stuff. And you can the thing about
Speaker 2: it is in one of the feet I think it's
Speaker 2: the right feed, the right foot and the heel segment,
Speaker 2: there's a line. There's a line that is repeated in
Speaker 2: a lot of the footprints, and it turns out that
Speaker 2: one of the Ray Wallace hoax stompers has that same line.
Speaker 2: So there's very good reason to think that those are
Speaker 2: fake at this point. The thing that makes me kind
Speaker 2: of be on the fence instead of just completely writing
Speaker 2: it off is that doctor Meldrum, in his book That
Speaker 2: Sasquatch Legend Science, has photographs of half casts from the
Speaker 2: Blue Creek Mountain side. And I don't know how you
Speaker 2: do a half cast with a wooden stomper. It just
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense to me, So I think that those
Speaker 2: are probably fake. But at the same time, half casts
Speaker 2: don't make sense if you're using stompers. So are they
Speaker 2: real or are they not? I don't know. But as
Speaker 2: far as there being three track sizes at the PG site,
Speaker 2: and that's not true, there were three track sizes reported
Speaker 2: in the Bluff Creek area from just a few months
Speaker 2: before from the Blue Creek Mountain track fine John Green
Speaker 2: was unable to verify according to his book, I believe,
Speaker 2: I'm ninety nine percent sure. I read this in his
Speaker 2: book not that long ago. He was unable to verify
Speaker 2: the third set. But there were two present, And you
Speaker 2: can find lots of pictures of the Blue Creek Mountains
Speaker 2: stuff online from the site, and you can see two
Speaker 2: prints in a lot of these pictures. So there were
Speaker 2: at least two there. But it was actually those tracks
Speaker 2: from the Blue Creek Mountain that gave Roger the motivation
Speaker 2: to go to Bluff Creek at that time, because Roger
Speaker 2: was trying to film a documentary and he brought that
Speaker 2: camera down that he had actually filmed the animal with.
Speaker 2: He brought that camera down in order to film the
Speaker 2: tracks in the ground, and they did go up to
Speaker 2: Blue Creek Mountain, but by then, you know, being two
Speaker 2: months later or something like that, right August September, Yeah,
Speaker 2: two months later, the tracks were virtually destroyed. You know,
Speaker 2: they were they could tell that they were there, but
Speaker 2: none of them had any detail left, essentially, and that
Speaker 2: kind of substrate It kind of makes a lot of sense,
Speaker 2: kind of Rocky Sandy sort of substraight up there on
Speaker 2: top of the mountain. But so yeah, that's that's what
Speaker 2: you get there. So three tracks were reported from Blue
Speaker 2: Creek Mountain, only two were verified by John Green. They
Speaker 2: might be fake, They very well could be fake. And
Speaker 2: that's what brought Roger and Bob down there. Roger and
Speaker 2: you know, Bob was just kind of tagging along, and
Speaker 2: then they filmed the animal one animal at the thing,
Speaker 2: and there you go.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Kevin's a good dude.
Speaker 1: We met him in an event in Gatlinburg last year
Speaker 1: and then I've kept in touch with him since he's
Speaker 1: here local. That Astonishing Legend series is so well done.
Speaker 1: Usually I cringe when any podcast that's not Sasquatch specific,
Speaker 1: and even a lot of Sasquatch specific ones, you know,
Speaker 1: they get a lot of details wrong when it comes
Speaker 1: to historical sasquatchery. So when I saw that Astonishing Legends
Speaker 1: was doing that PGF series, I was like, oh man,
Speaker 1: Like as a quick tangent, there's a few other sort
Speaker 1: of esoteric podcasts that I would listen to from time
Speaker 1: to time, and they'd have these really interesting episodes and
Speaker 1: they'd cover like a range of strange topics, and then
Speaker 1: they'd get to the sasquatch episode and it would be
Speaker 1: so factually incorrect that I would go, oh man, well,
Speaker 1: how incorrect were all the other episodes I heard? But
Speaker 1: I'm just not familiar with that history, so I didn't
Speaker 1: know how incorrect they were. So I would always cringe.
Speaker 1: And so when Astonishing Legends drop that series, which I
Speaker 1: loved that podcast, I was like, oh no, and I
Speaker 1: have to say, like, it is remarkable, it's stellar. And
Speaker 1: since they released that, whenever anyone asks about the Patterson film,
Speaker 1: they'll say, like, what books should I read? You know,
Speaker 1: what should I dig into? I always say, we'll start here.
Speaker 1: Listen to these because they're free, they're online, they're easily accessible,
Speaker 1: and you don't have to sit down and watch anything.
Speaker 1: You can just listen while you're driving or doing other things.
Speaker 1: It is maybe one of the single best works on
Speaker 1: the Patterson film that's out there. So what Kevin's alluding
Speaker 1: to is, you know, the reference that you know, Roger
Speaker 1: might have been frightened after the encounter because he might
Speaker 1: have had it in his mind that there were other
Speaker 1: individuals around that it wasn't just this single sasquatch, but
Speaker 1: that there might have been, you know, a big male
Speaker 1: lurking somewhere nearby or something of that nature. So it
Speaker 1: wasn't really a reference to like there were three sasquatches
Speaker 1: at Bluff Creek on October twentieth, or that they found
Speaker 1: tracks of three sizes there that day. It was just
Speaker 1: you know, within the general area over time there had
Speaker 1: been these reports of three and so Roger might have
Speaker 1: had that in his mind at the time. But it's
Speaker 1: definitely worth listening to everyone who listened to that series.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to do a podcast about something visual,
Speaker 1: and they nailed it, So kudos to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's certainly where Roger got that idea from
Speaker 2: the Blue Creek Mountain tracks.
Speaker 1: Certainly, And so here is the final voicemail before we
Speaker 1: move along to the written questions.
Speaker 4: Hello, my name is Mark Query, and I sent in
Speaker 4: a question and I think it was twenty twenty one
Speaker 4: about sask Watch possibly doing mimicry of things like chain saws.
Speaker 4: For example, I had a vocalization experience or whatever at
Speaker 4: Dory Lake, Saskatchewan in twenty eleven. I was working for
Speaker 4: a black bear outfitter for the spring black bear hunt
Speaker 4: and we were going to clear out an old quad
Speaker 4: trail on this peninsula of Dory Lake. One instance, my
Speaker 4: chain saw stalled out running out of gas. Something up
Speaker 4: the trail to my left, just in the bush was
Speaker 4: mimicking the chainsaw, though it was very odd. It was
Speaker 4: in a low gut orb grawl and it mimicked my
Speaker 4: chain saw to a tea from you know, the high
Speaker 4: revs to the eventual stall out. It spooked me pretty bad,
Speaker 4: to be honest, and I walked out of there and
Speaker 4: found my boss sharpening his chain. He didn't want to
Speaker 4: hear about it. We eventually went back and you know,
Speaker 4: I thought, I don't know. I never actually took a
Speaker 4: look to find out what was actually making the vocalization,
Speaker 4: so I can't tell you what it was. I'm just
Speaker 4: curious as anybody else ever seen something like this or
Speaker 4: heard something like this or had similar experiences, Thank.
Speaker 2: You very much.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find the episode number. But there was
Speaker 1: a There's two stories that come to mind for me,
Speaker 1: but one of which was saw related that happened in
Speaker 1: Area X, and I think Darryl Callier told that story
Speaker 1: when we had him as a guest on here. But
Speaker 1: you know, Daryl's one of my best friends. I spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time with him, so I've heard the
Speaker 1: story many times, but I'm pretty sure it was told.
Speaker 1: It was episode one fifty four of Big Finn of Beyond,
Speaker 1: so go back and listen to that. But there was
Speaker 1: one incident in Area X where they were moving through
Speaker 1: an area either in vehicles or on ATVs, and there
Speaker 1: was a tree down and they had to get out
Speaker 1: and saw this tree, and during the process of that
Speaker 1: started hearing a sound from close by mimicking the sound
Speaker 1: of the saw to a tea that multiple people heard
Speaker 1: at once. And then the other one that comes to
Speaker 1: mind is they were in the old compound that you'll
Speaker 1: hear referred to and discussions about Aria X and Alton
Speaker 1: Higgins was up on the metal roof of one of
Speaker 1: these cabins, cleaning it off and collecting rocks that have
Speaker 1: been tossed up there and things of that nature. And
Speaker 1: this roof the metal would bend and creak as he
Speaker 1: walked across it. You know, if you can picture that
Speaker 1: sound as I guess is that an oxymoron picturing sound?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but if you can hear that sound
Speaker 1: in your imagination, the sound of like a person walking
Speaker 1: across sort of like flexible metal. They started hearing that
Speaker 1: exact same sound coming from the woods on the slope
Speaker 1: above them, as if something was mimicking it, like once
Speaker 1: again to a T And Daryl might have told that
Speaker 1: on the podcast. If not, I think Paul Bowman did
Speaker 1: on the episode he was with us.
Speaker 5: I heard it that. Sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's definitely mimicry stories, but there's that one
Speaker 1: of a saw comes to mind, So go back and
Speaker 1: listen to that episode.
Speaker 6: Mark.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure I've ever heard a sobbing mimicked,
Speaker 2: but I have heard. Of course, We've talked about card
Speaker 2: doors slamming lots of times on the podcast here. I've
Speaker 2: heard that in the woods. Personally, I've been with people
Speaker 2: who heard it, and I just missed it. And of
Speaker 2: course we had Lance. I don't know what episode number
Speaker 2: Lance was on. Lance is a good friend of mine,
Speaker 2: long term witnesses who had been lucky enough to see
Speaker 2: these things a handful of times for his life.
Speaker 6: Episode one sixty one sixty There you go.
Speaker 2: He literally saw a sasquatch from five six seven feet away.
Speaker 2: He was laying down in the car. Remember the story correctly,
Speaker 2: and he tells it on the podcast. He's laying down
Speaker 2: in a car, the thing walked by. He had eyes
Speaker 2: on it when the sasquatch made a mountain lion call.
Speaker 2: So these things I think are I'm pretty you know,
Speaker 2: I'm comfortable saying that these are are excellent mimics. They
Speaker 2: can probably copy down here or anything they want to,
Speaker 2: just like a parrot can, you know. And if you've
Speaker 2: ever been around a parrot, it's really creepy sometimes being
Speaker 2: around a parrot, Like my parents had parrots, and it
Speaker 2: sounded like mom coughing or my dad laughing, like it
Speaker 2: takes on their voice quality. You know, it's just creepy.
Speaker 2: And I think sasquatches have similar ability. You know. Stay
Speaker 2: tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo,
Speaker 2: we'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first week that I was ever in Area X,
Speaker 1: one of the days that we were spread out with cameras,
Speaker 1: Darryl had a call blaster just like one of the
Speaker 1: you know, like a predator call, basically like an off
Speaker 1: the shelf thing, and he was playing sort of unconventional
Speaker 1: sounds that you just wouldn't really hear in a wild
Speaker 1: environment like that, and one of them was a.
Speaker 6: Kid goat in distress.
Speaker 1: And he probably played that sound on and off for
Speaker 1: maybe an hour or two, like maybe once every fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes or something, and nothing happened. And all that day
Speaker 1: and then that night we were all in the tent.
Speaker 1: It was just Daryl, myself and a guy named Angelo,
Speaker 1: and that night something circled the camp. It was at
Speaker 1: a decent distance. I'd have to look at my notes,
Speaker 1: but I'd say probably fifty seventy five yards away, but
Speaker 1: going around camp making that exact same sound in the dead.
Speaker 6: Of the night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've also I've also heard goats actually at some
Speaker 2: some very weird friends of mine lived in this kind
Speaker 2: of shack. And that's being generous. On Sokel Creek up
Speaker 2: and down in Santa Cruz. And they they didn't think
Speaker 2: that they were weird people anyway, right, and they still are.
Speaker 2: They're good friends of mine even today. But like they
Speaker 2: had weird stuff happen there a lot. You know, things
Speaker 2: would get on the roof and run around and like
Speaker 2: disappear and that kind of stuff, you know, not like
Speaker 2: vanished in the thin air, but hop down and beat
Speaker 2: but sound like a person running around on the roof.
Speaker 2: Dan would talk about the tall man who would come
Speaker 2: and like peek in the windows at the very very
Speaker 2: top and then had to be like eight feet or
Speaker 2: more to eight nine feet, but there's junk on that.
Speaker 2: Like they lived in a junk yard.
Speaker 6: It's like this.
Speaker 2: Totally non legal shack in a junk yard somewhere, you know,
Speaker 2: weird hippie like Santa Cruz stuff, and like they talk
Speaker 2: about the tall man coming and peaking in the windows
Speaker 2: and that sort of stuff. And I was at their
Speaker 2: their their house one New Year's Eves, you know, some
Speaker 2: Christmas or something like that, hanging out with them, and
Speaker 2: we heard goats from across the river and there is
Speaker 2: no way there's I mean there, I guess it could
Speaker 2: be a goat across the river could have just got loose.
Speaker 2: But hearing goats and stuff where you know, there is nothing,
Speaker 2: there's no property, there's no nobody, there's no houses, there's
Speaker 2: no nothing, and hearing goats and stuff, and like weird
Speaker 2: noises that aren't goats and like and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And plus they see these things too, but these are
Speaker 2: pretty weird people too, so they just called them, you
Speaker 2: know whatever name like oh, the shadow man or the
Speaker 2: floater or something like that, you know, but like, you know,
Speaker 2: eight foot shadows like thirty forty fifty feet ahead of
Speaker 2: them in the dark, floating across the road and going
Speaker 2: over chains or barbed wire fences into the persimmon field
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Yeah, a lot of weird things
Speaker 2: happen there that they think is all weird and paranormal
Speaker 2: and weird spooky and stuff. But for a guy like me,
Speaker 2: and he's like, no dude yet yet, asasas watch around there,
Speaker 2: that's all it was.
Speaker 1: But well, said Bobo, I thought for sure Boba would
Speaker 1: have some mimicry stories.
Speaker 5: Oh well, I had that one when I was up
Speaker 5: off the go road, actually up about twenty miles up.
Speaker 5: I had the machine gun. I thought there was a
Speaker 5: machine gun going off of those they were just clapping
Speaker 5: their hands like but they could make that gun sound perfect.
Speaker 5: I've heard the owls. I've heard the eight hundred pounds owls.
Speaker 5: I've heard some COVID type you know, like crow or
Speaker 5: raven type calls. You know, like that just seemed like
Speaker 5: wrong and down low. But I haven't heard anything like
Speaker 5: that in a long time. When they're mimicking something.
Speaker 1: You're going to have your own Zoobies type encounter one day,
Speaker 1: but instead of it going you're chicky, chicky, it's gonna
Speaker 1: go classic.
Speaker 2: I was going to train the boat the Sasquatches up
Speaker 2: at the water spot for a while, but I never
Speaker 2: got my act together. I wanted to go and like
Speaker 2: leave a recorder that would just go Bobo bobo this
Speaker 2: over and over and over again on some repeat the
Speaker 2: train the Sasquatch is there to say that, because I
Speaker 2: thought about what a great gift for Bobo he could
Speaker 2: go there, Sasquatches, Bobo out man.
Speaker 1: I remember hearing a story one time and it came
Speaker 1: through the BFRO. I don't remember if it's a published
Speaker 1: report or if it's the investigator that told it to me.
Speaker 6: This was years ago.
Speaker 1: But a couple, I want to say, they were in
Speaker 1: the northeast, maybe like the Adirondacks or something. We're camping,
Speaker 1: and the husband went off to collect firewood and was
Speaker 1: gone for quite a while, and the wife started to
Speaker 1: get a little freaked out. And the guy's name was Mark,
Speaker 1: and she was yelling Mark, Mark, Mark, yelling for him
Speaker 1: for like five minutes until he came back with an
Speaker 1: earshot and he's like, Oh, I'm over here, I'm coming back.
Speaker 1: And then that night something circled around their tent, stomping
Speaker 1: and was just going.
Speaker 2: Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark.
Speaker 1: And do you think, man, my psyche would have unraveled
Speaker 1: like that would have that would be terrifying.
Speaker 5: Did you imagine hearing your name? Yeah? Because well I
Speaker 5: also like the girl Vanessa, whose grandma was Laverne, who
Speaker 5: just passed it up there in Queen's up there on
Speaker 5: the Quinnott Reserition in the Olympic Peninsula of Washington. She
Speaker 5: the whole family moved into the front living room. They
Speaker 5: had a four bedroom house, and everyone lived in the
Speaker 5: front of the house, and they had blankets over all
Speaker 5: the windows on the back of the house, so now
Speaker 5: they could look in, but they girl lived on the
Speaker 5: second floor that they could reach up and tap her
Speaker 5: window with the finger and go. Because Laverne was in
Speaker 5: a wheelchair, so she would roll out on the front
Speaker 5: porch and called for Vanessa like Vanessa Va. The thing
Speaker 5: would come and go where and that freaked her out.
Speaker 5: And there was also that one in Oric, the Native
Speaker 5: girl up here and just north of west like, uh,
Speaker 5: just ten minutes from where I went to that seting
Speaker 5: report investigation last week and I missed the last episode,
Speaker 5: but the same thing. The girl, I can't remember her name,
Speaker 5: a like Rebecca or something, but she would uh, the
Speaker 5: Saskas come and tap on the window of the treen
Speaker 5: tap tap tap and just go, you know whatever. An
Speaker 5: then Kathley straight had that freaky story about the when
Speaker 5: she was backpacking up there and the Sierra Nevadas that
Speaker 5: came up was they were yelling at a woll whan
Speaker 5: that was camp kind of further away than the rest
Speaker 5: of them, and they kept calling her name out and
Speaker 5: then the thing came up that night and Staid was
Speaker 5: saying the lady's name, the squats came outside of the tent.
Speaker 2: We know that this reminded me of two more I
Speaker 2: have two more. One I experienced personally, and then the
Speaker 2: other one was reported to me. The one I experienced personally,
Speaker 2: it was actually where it was on camera. We filmed
Speaker 2: it for Finding Bigfoot. I don't remember where we were.
Speaker 2: I think it was it might have been that that
Speaker 2: early Alberta episode with Todd standing on it. Did do
Speaker 2: we some sorts of like decoy deer or something on
Speaker 2: that one? I think, yeah, we did it there too,
Speaker 2: but we did something I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I can't remember exactly, but I remember being out there
Speaker 2: and I heard a metallic chime just it's like it
Speaker 2: wasn't a bell. It was kind of it was bell like,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't a bell, and it was like like that,
Speaker 2: It's like, where the hell did that come from? That's
Speaker 2: like the weirdest noise to hear here. That doesn't make
Speaker 2: any sense to me, So that who knows what that was?
Speaker 1: And then do you know that that's like a fairly
Speaker 1: I don't want to say common, but that has been
Speaker 1: reported multiple times and those reports have always fascinated me
Speaker 1: for that. For that, it's a bizarre thing. I would
Speaker 1: love to hear it, but I've there's many people that
Speaker 1: have described that. And there's one great report that I've
Speaker 1: read so many times. I'll put a link in the
Speaker 1: show notes because I know exactly where to find it.
Speaker 1: But there was a guy hunting in Missouri that saw
Speaker 1: one and he was watching it. It was browsing. It
Speaker 1: was basically like foraging for a while, and then he
Speaker 1: saw it cock its head back and make that sound.
Speaker 1: He said it sounded like two big hollow metal rods
Speaker 1: being hit together, like a big metal chime, like a
Speaker 1: bell like resonance. So that's really interesting that you heard
Speaker 1: that it's on camera.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've heard those metallic sounds like. I wasn't counting
Speaker 5: those for it because I never knew for sure. I
Speaker 5: never saw any that what made it, but seem like
Speaker 5: it was a squash. There's nothing else something that could
Speaker 5: match it. But I've literally heard that car door slamming
Speaker 5: a couple hundred times.
Speaker 2: Well, I did hear I think at that. The last
Speaker 2: thing I was going to mention is that the report
Speaker 2: that I got, I remember the gentleman was in Virginia.
Speaker 2: I don't remember his name. I don't remember exactly where
Speaker 2: it was. It's in my file somewhere. But this guy
Speaker 2: in Virginia and I think, I know I probably told
Speaker 2: this story on the podcast before, but I'll say it again.
Speaker 2: He lived or lives adjacent to some sort of wildlife
Speaker 2: refuge or something like that, and he would take his dog.
Speaker 2: I think it was a Golden Retriever if I remember.
Speaker 2: His dog for walks there pretty much every day. And
Speaker 2: I forget the dog's name of Charlie or something, I
Speaker 2: don't know what it was, but he would Charlie, come here, Charlie,
Speaker 2: come here, and like he'd always call him for his
Speaker 2: dog or whatever. And then he saw a sasquatch there,
Speaker 2: you know, and like I would say, oh shoot, But
Speaker 2: he didn't stop walking his dog there or anything. He
Speaker 2: just was a little bit more aware when he was
Speaker 2: out there. And then one day he was out there
Speaker 2: and he heard his own voice calling for his dog,
Speaker 2: which would be, you know, just totally make me melt
Speaker 2: down personally.
Speaker 1: We need our listeners who are field researchers to start
Speaker 1: chanting the magic words when they're out in the field,
Speaker 1: so that maybe in a few years time, we'll get
Speaker 1: a bunch of reports of like, yeah, I saw this
Speaker 1: sasquatch and it approached me on a trail and it.
Speaker 6: Said subscribe to a big foot and beyond.
Speaker 2: Or just snice of simple bo bo oh bo.
Speaker 5: As it freak me out.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll tell you another mimicry that I heard in
Speaker 1: the field myself with a number of other people that
Speaker 1: I'd heard described many times, but then to hear it
Speaker 1: in person was really freaky, is that Darryl would often
Speaker 1: go out and do this real because Daryl's an amazing
Speaker 1: singer and he's got this huge range, and in fact,
Speaker 1: like we've played around with like the piano and like
Speaker 1: me hitting me super high notes and him being able
Speaker 1: to hit him, whether in natural voice or all the
Speaker 1: way up into like super high falsetto. But so we're
Speaker 1: outside at night and he was talking about these things,
Speaker 1: mimicking this you who sounds. So he started doing like
Speaker 1: I can't even come close to it, but this really
Speaker 1: high pitch like yeoo, but probably like two or three
Speaker 1: steps higher than that. And he was doing that as
Speaker 1: projecting so loud and echoing across the whole valley and
Speaker 1: within I don't know, half an hour to the west
Speaker 1: of us, very distant. It started we were hearing that
Speaker 1: coming back and it was moving closer and so he'd.
Speaker 8: Go youoo oh, Renee Got answered like that, yeah, and
Speaker 8: we'd hear in the distance, Yeah, down in the valley
Speaker 8: floor with us, and there's there's nobody out there, especially
Speaker 8: to the west of where we were.
Speaker 1: I mean to get in there, you can only get
Speaker 1: in that way on foot, and it would be a
Speaker 1: nightmare to try to do, and especially in the dark.
Speaker 6: So that was pretty freaky.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Renee Got, I used to every day being fund
Speaker 5: the show, like god d that's the stupidest thing, you know,
Speaker 5: you who like just do a real call, like quit
Speaker 5: being a jackass. You know. Then after like five years,
Speaker 5: one day I think we're in Virginia, We're someone on
Speaker 5: the East coast were here, m like, just like Brenda.
Speaker 5: It was like, oh my god, I can't believe it.
Speaker 6: That's awesome.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's probably just an easy sound for
Speaker 1: them to replicate, you know, because it's just two notes
Speaker 1: and basically like not any hard consonant sounds or it's
Speaker 1: basically two vowel sounds really and so so yeah, but
Speaker 1: I heard that myself in a number that we were
Speaker 1: just all flabbergasted, like holy crap, Like that really does
Speaker 1: happen down here. Yeah, alrighty, well, we can move on
Speaker 1: to the written questions here and so this one is
Speaker 1: from a longtime listener of ours and also a member,
Speaker 1: but she submitted it here on the main show side.
Speaker 6: So I'll put in the chat for you guys. You
Speaker 6: want a Cliff, sure, Okay?
Speaker 2: The question is from Heidi Campbell, Hi, Cliff, Bobo, and Matt.
Speaker 2: While watching Cliff video of his most recent Sasquatch encounter,
Speaker 2: I began to wonder, what is the ideal sasquatch encounter?
Speaker 2: Could you each share your fantasy or ideal encounter? And
Speaker 2: do you think it would occur with an adult male, female,
Speaker 2: juvenile or young sasquatch or even multiple love the show
Speaker 2: and beyond. So this is kind of like what is
Speaker 2: our fantasy bigfoot encounter?
Speaker 6: Here?
Speaker 1: Well, the happy ending mine is that a very large,
Speaker 1: undeniably you know, powerful, old male who is past its
Speaker 1: prime and therefore isn't contributing to the gene pool any
Speaker 1: longer crawls into the back of my forerunner and dies peacefully,
Speaker 1: and then I could just drive it to whatever institution
Speaker 1: will officially recognize it.
Speaker 6: That's my fantasy encounter.
Speaker 2: Coincidentally, that's also the way I want.
Speaker 6: To die in the back of my ford.
Speaker 2: Yeah, climbing in the back of your forerunner and take
Speaker 2: me somewhere. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've thought I've had so many fantasy squats encounter things. Obviously, Well,
Speaker 5: I mean, am I filming it?
Speaker 2: Is?
Speaker 5: I just happened to.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's up to you. It's your fantasy.
Speaker 2: Whatever you want to do.
Speaker 5: Oh, well, of course I film it. But it'd be
Speaker 5: an extended long observation of a family group that pulls
Speaker 5: like a hunt or something like them running down a
Speaker 5: deer or an elk and catching it, stop at its
Speaker 5: neck and the whole nine. Like seeing how they communicate
Speaker 5: and you know, like hands signal and run or run
Speaker 5: it down and hunt it something like that. That'd be
Speaker 5: pretty phenomenal. It's got to be.
Speaker 2: Daylight, Yeah, that might might have absolutely be daylight. And
Speaker 2: there's lots of different scenarios I would love to observe.
Speaker 2: Of course, I think that having multiple there would be awesome.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know, like a five footer and a seven
Speaker 2: footer or something like that, that sort of thing where
Speaker 2: they're there. I would love it if they were observing
Speaker 2: me and I could see them do it and you know,
Speaker 2: then dart between trees or something, or maybe they would
Speaker 2: just be foraging or something like that, a little bit
Speaker 2: of interacting. So and of course I'd love to film
Speaker 2: it as well. Having two of them in the same
Speaker 2: footage would go a long ways towards validating any sort
Speaker 2: of footage I think. So, I think, yeah, some sort
Speaker 2: of daylight thing where maybe they're in this in a
Speaker 2: wamp or something, foraging, digging around doing stuff. And I
Speaker 2: think the swamp part is pretty important because any encounter
Speaker 2: that I have, I would really, really really like to
Speaker 2: get some casts out of it. So if they were foraging,
Speaker 2: digging around for rodents or doing whatever they do and
Speaker 2: leaving handprints and footprints and stuff, that would go along
Speaker 2: a long ways towards making me a happy boy. Stay
Speaker 2: tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 2: Will be right back after these messages, all.
Speaker 6: Righty bobes rob Esparaza. I think it's as sparsa a sparsa.
Speaker 5: To y'all's knowledge. Has anyone taken three D photos for
Speaker 5: Google at the Patterson Given film site. The wander app
Speaker 5: allows people to see anywhere Google Maps has been or
Speaker 5: what people have uploaded photos for. I think it would
Speaker 5: be a guess to move around the film site and
Speaker 5: virtually stand there in awe thanks. I think they did
Speaker 5: in the Bluff Creek project as I think did that
Speaker 5: rowdy Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think Bill Munz did it, didn't he remember he?
Speaker 2: When we were there in twenty twelve with Bill, he
Speaker 2: threw all those like little plastic balls everywhere and did
Speaker 2: some fancy scanning or something and used those balls as
Speaker 2: some sort of you know, the same sort of way
Speaker 2: that you'd wear like a green screen suit and put
Speaker 2: the little ping pong balls and very parts of your
Speaker 2: body for doing like animation and movies and that sort
Speaker 2: of thing.
Speaker 1: But you can upload, like if you go to Google Earth,
Speaker 1: if people have uploaded three D photos like that, you
Speaker 1: can click them and it'll zoom you into them, and
Speaker 1: then you can click and drag and move around in
Speaker 1: the three D space. So like where I grew up,
Speaker 1: you know, every waterfall has that where someone's gone there
Speaker 1: with one of those like three sixty cameras and taken
Speaker 1: a photo and then users can upload, and then it'll
Speaker 1: be like geopinned to that map, so that anyone anywhere
Speaker 1: can access it. So that would be cool if Bill
Speaker 1: made that available, it'd be super awesome. And can't you
Speaker 1: you were telling me, Cliff, I haven't tried this, but
Speaker 1: that same scan a Verse app that you use for
Speaker 1: tracks or casts, like you can scan whole places with that, right, Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sure, I scanned a footprint find location with
Speaker 2: that actually, so yes.
Speaker 1: So that would be super cool for someone to undertake
Speaker 1: and upload to Google Earth or Google Maps or something
Speaker 1: like that, or that wander app like he's mentioning. So
Speaker 1: it could be the case that Muns or other people
Speaker 1: have taken three D photos but that they're just not
Speaker 1: available for users to interact with.
Speaker 5: Oh, it'd be way better now because then when Muns
Speaker 5: did it, because we were clearing stuff out when Muns
Speaker 5: was there, and it's so much more. Those guys did
Speaker 5: so much more work. Like it's so rated. You go
Speaker 5: there now, like Rogers, I think it's the Patty's path
Speaker 5: is flagged with like yellow like little flags stuck in
Speaker 5: on little metal rods on the ground her pathway. Then Rogers,
Speaker 5: I think it's I think it's blue flags. I think
Speaker 5: something like that, and you can see exactly where she walked,
Speaker 5: how far he was from her. It's it's awesome, and
Speaker 5: so I'll clear it out.
Speaker 1: That would be super cool for people to play around with,
Speaker 1: because yeah, I spend so much time on Google Maps
Speaker 1: and Google Earth and you know, scouting areas and finding
Speaker 1: areas that way, and so those three D photographs for
Speaker 1: three sixty ones are super cool to play around with.
Speaker 1: So be amazing to see that for that would be
Speaker 1: a cool project to do, like all sorts of famous
Speaker 1: Sasquatch sites, you know, I.
Speaker 2: Have the Freeman site.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's another one. I think that's the one
Speaker 1: you told me about doing first. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize you could scan like an entire place
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 6: That's super cool. I'm sure it's tedious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not that big of a deal. It tastes
Speaker 2: a little bit of time, but yeah, and the Freeman
Speaker 2: site's really easy too, because it's you know, this is
Speaker 2: not that big of an area. It's actually a lot
Speaker 2: smaller than the Patterson given film site. And then I
Speaker 2: kind of screwed up though in a way, like I
Speaker 2: scanned it on the way up, and then I scanned
Speaker 2: it on the way back, and when the computer, like
Speaker 2: the phone, I guess the AI pieced it together. I
Speaker 2: thought I took two different paths. So now I've been
Speaker 2: done it since then. I was there this past summer.
Speaker 2: At some point I'll probably go back this coming summer.
Speaker 2: I've got some work I need to do out there.
Speaker 2: I'll do I'll re scan it properly. And of course
Speaker 2: I also did all that stuff with Doug that'll be
Speaker 2: coming out with Sasquatch Sledging Meet Science too, whenever that
Speaker 2: gets out. We did a lot of light our work
Speaker 2: at the Freeman site as well. But I don't know
Speaker 2: why you wouldn't do the PG side. It seems like
Speaker 2: that'd be a no brainer. But I know Buil did
Speaker 2: it at some point. I'm not sure where it became
Speaker 2: of it, So yeah, that would be super cool.
Speaker 1: I do so much squatchy tourism, Like when we go places,
Speaker 1: I'm always like, oh, we should go see this spot,
Speaker 1: you know, like when we went to San Diego, I
Speaker 1: found the Zubie's House, or at least where it used
Speaker 1: to stand, And so yeah, if I had had that
Speaker 1: stuff at the time, it would have been cool to
Speaker 1: just take those three sixty photos of every one of
Speaker 1: them and then upload them and tag them as sasquatch sites,
Speaker 1: so other squatches playing around on Google Earth could see
Speaker 1: those things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I'm almost certainly going to go
Speaker 2: back to Bluff Creek this coming year. So we'll see,
Speaker 2: because I've got some stuff to do with the museum
Speaker 2: down there. My museum and the Willow Creek Museum kind
Speaker 2: of putting our heads together for some stuff. There's some
Speaker 2: historical tidbits I need to follow up on a few
Speaker 2: loose ends on the High Palm stuff down there. And
Speaker 2: while I'm down there, I'll probably just sip out to
Speaker 2: the PG side if I can.
Speaker 5: Yeah, one of those three D cameras well.
Speaker 2: I've got the light art thing on my phone.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's all you need.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you have anything about like I can't speak
Speaker 2: for Droid or anything like that, but if I have
Speaker 2: an iPhone, if you have anything from a iPhone thirteen
Speaker 2: Pro or higher, there's three D scanning apps that work great.
Speaker 2: I happen to use a thing called scan Averse. So
Speaker 2: whenever I find a track or whatever, now, I take
Speaker 2: photographs with the camera and then I take a three
Speaker 2: D scan and then if it's suitable, then I cast
Speaker 2: it too. So I try to triple and document it
Speaker 2: anything I can. And scans are nice because they have
Speaker 2: the GPS coordinates associated with it. I took all that information.
Speaker 2: I took all that location stuff off my pictures. You know.
Speaker 2: I don't want to share my phishing spots, so to speak.
Speaker 2: So but the scan stuff that has the GPS coordinates
Speaker 2: on it, which helps my documentation on the back end
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 1: And here is the last written submission for this episode.
Speaker 1: Just in time for the holidays.
Speaker 2: Okay, this one's from George ETO, Happy holidays. This is
Speaker 2: a Christmas themed question. Do you guys know of any
Speaker 2: accounts of sasquatches getting attracted by Christmas decorations or Christmas lights?
Speaker 5: It's how they have hoted. But I've never heard of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I've ever heard of it.
Speaker 1: I can't think of a specific one, but lights in
Speaker 1: general for sure. So I don't know why it wouldn't work,
Speaker 1: you know, to have some kind of interesting array of
Speaker 1: Christmas lights outside or something like that, you know, blinking
Speaker 1: lights that are maybe not brightly flashing or rapidly flashing,
Speaker 1: but something a little bit more like passitive that would
Speaker 1: evoke some curiosity. I think that would that would work
Speaker 1: given all the times that they peaked in windows or
Speaker 1: parked vehicles with dim lights inside.
Speaker 6: Things of that nature.
Speaker 2: Might scare them, you know, but like houses all lit
Speaker 2: up or something might just look at it from five
Speaker 2: hundred yards away.
Speaker 5: Ik they'd be interested. Though, Like those big lawn decorations,
Speaker 5: you're like a snowman and reindeer and you feel but
Speaker 5: those really you know, elaborate decorations, like I can see
Speaker 5: that bringing them in. You know, maybe it'd.
Speaker 1: Be amazing to look at your window and see a
Speaker 1: sasquatch tackle a light up reindeer in your break its neck.
Speaker 5: W did someone say someone saw them? Oh, someone saw
Speaker 5: one staring at one of those you know those things
Speaker 5: outside of car dealerships. Is like a big sock that
Speaker 5: it has like a face on it at the top
Speaker 5: of like two arms, that blows all crazy like like
Speaker 5: half falls down and shoots back up. Like someone saw
Speaker 5: one of those looking at one. I think it was
Speaker 5: New Mexico at a car at a car place or
Speaker 5: something that was like on the edge of like nothing,
Speaker 5: like it was just on the edge of like going
Speaker 5: out into the bush and the thing was there on
Speaker 5: the edge right on the edge of you know, civilization,
Speaker 5: looking out there, and it was staring at this thing,
Speaker 5: just watching it like with its eyes all big.
Speaker 1: Speaking of New Mexico, I was thinking about Irving again
Speaker 1: the other day. I wonder if he's been back out
Speaker 1: there since we had him on that, the gentleman that
Speaker 1: had one of the best looks at a sasquatch his face. Yeah,
Speaker 1: have you either, you guys heard from him lately?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 1: Well, he is a listener and he's also a member
Speaker 1: so Irving even though this is not a members episode,
Speaker 1: I'm assuming he listens to these two. So Irving give
Speaker 1: us an update if you're out there, please, all right.
Speaker 2: So, I actually I have a question that's kind of
Speaker 2: unrelated all this stuff that I was thinking about, and
Speaker 2: I don't think we've talked about this in the podcast.
Speaker 2: You've seen all those those videos online where they put
Speaker 2: a cucumber by a cat and it scares the crap
Speaker 2: out of them. Yes, would that work to get cougars
Speaker 2: away from you?
Speaker 5: That's why I walked the trails of the cucumber hang
Speaker 5: out in the back of my head.
Speaker 6: It probably would.
Speaker 1: You'd probably have to find like a proportionate size equivalent
Speaker 1: but you know, they many mammals, including us. You know,
Speaker 1: it's debated whether it's innate in humans, but I would
Speaker 1: argue that it's innate in all primates, and if it's
Speaker 1: not innate in humans, it can ease be trained. But
Speaker 1: most mammals have an innate fear of snakes because snakes
Speaker 1: caused a huge amount of selection pressure on Amelia in general.
Speaker 1: So it wouldn't surprise me if something like proportionately large
Speaker 1: and snakelike would scare. They have a living hell out
Speaker 1: of a cougar.
Speaker 5: That's hilarious when they show like a like a piece
Speaker 5: of hose or something, it's like a snake shape and
Speaker 5: like a rangutans or chimps or gorillas just freaking out
Speaker 5: on it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's great videos of chimps freaking out over
Speaker 1: rubber snakes or even dead snakes, and oftentimes chimps that
Speaker 1: have been raised in captivity. So these are individuals who
Speaker 1: have never seen a snake in the wild, and they
Speaker 1: have these super intense responses, which just shows you that
Speaker 1: it's innate. You know, it's it's hardwired. It's a baked
Speaker 1: in response, and so that's what cats are generally responding
Speaker 1: to is that quick visual identification of a serpent, like
Speaker 1: you know, reptile.
Speaker 6: Like thing adjacent to them.
Speaker 1: But those are pretty funny videos, so yeah, I bet
Speaker 1: you could. You probably need a big one, though, like
Speaker 1: six eight foot rubber snake and just throw that at
Speaker 1: a cougar and see what happens.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe if I just threw a regular cucumber at it, it
Speaker 2: would just confuse it. Like, what's that?
Speaker 5: Every time I go to Boring, Oregon, there's this guy
Speaker 5: that those cucumbers at snakes or mountain lions.
Speaker 1: You just need like a bandoleero full of cucumbers, like
Speaker 1: rounds or grenades or whatever, just to have a belt
Speaker 1: with cucumbers all over.
Speaker 2: What's that for cougars? And in case I get hungry snacks?
Speaker 2: Did you ever see either of you while you're at
Speaker 2: my home? Did you ever see the hoodie that Melissa
Speaker 2: made with the latex face on the back of the hoodie?
Speaker 5: Oh? Yeah, yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she because we live in the woods and she's not,
Speaker 2: you know, used to living in the woods. I mean
Speaker 2: she is now, of course, but it's scary for her.
Speaker 2: You know, mountain lions are much more real for her
Speaker 2: than they are for me, even though I've seen them
Speaker 2: the property. Either there's something else. For Melissa, she's much
Speaker 2: more afraid of them, and so in order to go
Speaker 2: for walks on the property, even with Sochi, she she
Speaker 2: took latex and used her makeup and special effects skills
Speaker 2: and made a face on the back of a hoodie.
Speaker 2: So when she would go for walks, she would, let
Speaker 2: you know, let her phone play some podcasts because she
Speaker 2: also heard that the sound of human voices scare away cats,
Speaker 2: and she would put this hoodie up so it looked
Speaker 2: like there were eyes on the back of her head.
Speaker 5: She should have saw a second head on her She
Speaker 5: should just saw a whole a whole second head that
Speaker 5: sits on our shoulder looking backwards.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sure, the two headed thing. Or in fact,
Speaker 2: in fact, why I stop there? Why not just sew
Speaker 2: a couple extra arms and some legs on there, and
Speaker 2: then like the cougars go, what the hell is that? Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1: Somebody's getting a chain mail hoodie for Christmas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't want sharks to bite you on the
Speaker 2: property either, So good idea exactly?
Speaker 1: That protect you from everything I know, including people thinking
Speaker 1: you were.
Speaker 2: Saying, Yeah, AnyWho, there you go, another Q and a done.
Speaker 1: Yep, we got a bevy of questions from our beloved
Speaker 1: members BFFs Honorary Pigeons.
Speaker 2: We should go do that. Then, well, before we go,
Speaker 2: there's a couple mentions that we should probably put in
Speaker 2: there because squatch Fest is coming up. I know Matt
Speaker 2: Pruitt's going to speak there. I'm going to speak there, Bubbo,
Speaker 2: you're still thinking about maybe coming up?
Speaker 5: Maybe I've been going over to the Vulcan Pipe Pro
Speaker 5: over well, I guess it's not the Volcan anymore, but
Speaker 5: it's the pipe Pro contest in Hawaii. I got a
Speaker 5: free trip offered to me to go over there.
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, do that or go to a Bigfoot conference.
Speaker 2: I would choose Hawaii, probably.
Speaker 1: Hawaii or Kelso, Washington. And you're struggling with this in January.
Speaker 5: It's just a long way. It's a long trip for
Speaker 5: just a couple of days.
Speaker 2: Sure is Sure is either one of those places?
Speaker 5: Really?
Speaker 2: But yeah, well, anyway, Squatchfest is coming up. It's like
Speaker 2: the twenty fourth and fifth I think of January. Matt
Speaker 2: and I will be there. A bunch of other good
Speaker 2: folks are going to be there as well. Maybe you
Speaker 2: should be there as well. Maybe you should be one
Speaker 2: of those good folks there as well. And in addition
Speaker 2: to that, I started something this past week a little
Speaker 2: bit more in earnest. You know, everybody hears me talk
Speaker 2: about the museum membership and the videos that we make
Speaker 2: of our field research and all that sort of stuff. Well,
Speaker 2: if I finally got all the kinks worked out of
Speaker 2: the YouTube page, and I'm starting to upload individual videos
Speaker 2: that were initially published sometimes years ago for our members,
Speaker 2: because we've been doing these videos since I think twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: so about once a month or so, I'm putting old
Speaker 2: ones up on the public YouTube page, and you can
Speaker 2: see our videos and all their glory, and of course
Speaker 2: that the credits at the end. You know, if you're
Speaker 2: a member at a certain level, you get your names
Speaker 2: in the credits if you are. This happened this past week,
Speaker 2: which is why I mentioned specifically, if you are a
Speaker 2: member and you are contributing at that level to the
Speaker 2: museum and you don't see your name in the credits
Speaker 2: on the YouTube page, just remember that those are old.
Speaker 2: They could be years old, and so you probably just
Speaker 2: weren't a member at that time. Don't let that upset you.
Speaker 2: Don't let that uh you know, gets you all bent
Speaker 2: out of shape or anything like that. Those are old
Speaker 2: old videos. If you want the new stuff, that's what
Speaker 2: memberships for, you know. Like the video that I put
Speaker 2: out or that Nico put out on Saturday. We filmed
Speaker 2: that a week and a half ago, so that's brand
Speaker 2: spinking new. Like that was literally four days old the
Speaker 2: footage before Nico piece it together and published it. So
Speaker 2: if you want that stuff, be a member. But if
Speaker 2: you don't care, just go look at the old videos.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you would enjoy them.
Speaker 5: So that's it.
Speaker 2: So North American Bigfoot Center YouTube page I think is
Speaker 2: something worthy of putting your eyes on.
Speaker 6: Or click the link in the show notes.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, or do that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the best. It's the best big footschell. I mean,
Speaker 5: I like, I like Todds, you know Sasquatch Archives.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is different though his is like historical
Speaker 2: awesome stuff. It's yeah. Ours is mostly field work.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yours is great. Here's are the best field to work.
Speaker 2: I like it, you know what. I try to make
Speaker 2: the videos that I wish somebody else was making.
Speaker 6: They're my favorites.
Speaker 1: I do think it's the best video content out there,
Speaker 1: so definitely click that link in the show notes.
Speaker 2: Well there you go, guys.
Speaker 5: All right, well cool, Thanks folks for tuning in. Hope
Speaker 5: you're all having a happy New Year and you know
Speaker 5: what to do out there, keep it squatchy.
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