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Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekanona Show.

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I have the two gentlemen here from Method the twentieth Century.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing, Adam, I'm doing great, and Lance

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is a recurring guest, but he has his own show,

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so I just want to make sure that Lance gets

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an opportunity to mention that. But I'm thankful that you

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had us both on.

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Speaker 1: Hey, no problem, how you doing, Lance.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great. Thank you for having me. I'm a

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big fan, by the way, so thank you for having

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me on.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. What show do you do on your own?

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Speaker 3: So I do Lance's Legion, and I do a bunch

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of military kind of esque related things, also political kind

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of analyzes and stuff like that. But it's more theory

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and just interesting military stuff. But I've been on a

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anti communist BNCH from the Cold War era, and so

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this becomes salient to me. I'm very excited to be

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talking about the Revolution of sixty eight with you guys.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, if your anti communist stuff, I would love

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to hear what you what you think of Thomas's take

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on the Cold War?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, I know like ten

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parts on that, but I can't keep up yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's funny.

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Speaker 1: We spoke.

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Speaker 3: We spoke when Henry Kissinger passed away. It was actually

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very interesting. He had to be a lot of interesting

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things to say.

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Speaker 1: Oh you spoke to him, Yeah, yeah, a.

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Speaker 3: While ago on a on the X spaces that there is.

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But yeah, absolutely. I don't want to take away from

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from what's going on right here, but let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 2: So, the.

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Speaker 1: I guess the reason we're getting together is that Kerrie

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Bolton released a book called, through Anelope Hill Press, Generation

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sixty eight, The Elite Revolution and its Legacy. I start

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with Adam and you guys can go back and forth.

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I don't you know, do what do what? You do? What?

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What's the interest in Generation sixty eight? You know, the

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sixties was the big deal.

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Speaker 2: Well, aside from the media always portraying it as like

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the best era ever, I'm not even sure if it

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pales and compareson to World War Two. I mean that

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the amount of media that Woodstock and the head Ashbury

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and the Hell's Angels, all that stuff, it's so glamorized.

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And my parents actually grew up in that sort of

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time and know some of it from a personal level,

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not from partaking it, but just having been caught up

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in it, and they can tell me at least that

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they was played up a lot. Now, a lot of

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it was obviously true, but it was definitely glamorized, and

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I think as a cultural point, just taken on its face,

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it's you can't get away from it. Now it has

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deeper implications as well, and those are more complicated, and

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I think the book does a good job tying it

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to some of the elite powers that were actually either

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co opting it, funding it directly, trying to steer it,

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or trying to deflect it away from them, because it

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was very much sort of a cultural revolution in the

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West in a time when communism seemed to be in

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the East on the rise, and I think it was

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a very close to home experience for a lot of

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people in The implications are still the waves are still

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being felt today in our generations, and a lot of

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the people in political power also grew up in that generation.

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I think a lot of that that mindset is still

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stuck in their heads. And you can call it the

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boomers or whatever, but you know, these people, we just

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cannot get away from them.

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Speaker 3: The boom set, no, absolutely, and I think The follow

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on interesting part is, of course, as time progresses and

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we live in this kind of meta organism of culture,

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we tend to misunderstand history that is extremely proximate to us,

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and the Cold War is really not something that's really over.

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subversion policies and general subversion, Soviet subversion of the United States,

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and a lot of it comes to its fruition during

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this time. Obviously, this is something that most Americans are

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unaware about because most of the mythos and interest it

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predates the Revolution of sixty five and sixty eight, right.

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It focuses specifically on the paradigm of the Second World War. However,

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so much has changed since then that really the most

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salient aspects to be recognizing and analyzing is precisely this

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moment in history, this crux, this time paradigm shift, which

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is why I was so interested on it and am

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apps necessary to be kind of reviewing and passing as

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Speaker 1: Well, one of the things he he starts talking out

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about is the the idea of the inclusive economy, which

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was heavily promoted by UH by the Rockefeller Foundation. And

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when I look at that, I see obviously a planned economy,

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but I also see the civil rights error, the Civil

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Rights Act, and a plan to basically shape an economy

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around everyone everyone's needs and not to you know, not

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to embrace my my Austrian economics background. You know that

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I question strongly. I loved your episode with Mike uh

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actually on on List. That was that was wonderful. That

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was that was very edifying, because I really need to

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read that book. I've studied it. I've read everything about

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List except reading List at this point. And when when

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to create and it just it seems like it's a

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it's just a straight reflection of the kind of society

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that they wanted to create, and the kind of society

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they wanted to create was bound to and we saw

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it just became one of tension.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I read Race Warren High School by Saltzman on my show,

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the whole book, and we saw what integrating the schools

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did and basically, now you're looking to integrate the economy

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in just about the same way and to me, that

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just seems like an ultimate disaster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a there's a movie out there by one

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of these documentary guys on the dissident right, and it

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was by the title of Communism by the back Door,

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and I haven't watched it in a while, but it's

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quite good, and I really think that it sort of

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encapsulates what's going on here, and it's easy to sort

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of label things. Maybe communism isn't the best descriptor, but

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I think it's good enough. And if I actually to

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compliment you, Pete, I listened to one of your shows

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that you did with Yuri Maltsaf and if anybody hasn't

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heard him.

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Speaker 1: Off, you really were You really were digging deep, aren't it.

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Speaker 2: Well? It was fantastic because he grew up in the

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Soviet Union and he clarified what Marx defined communism as correctly,

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but colloquially, when we call communism communism, we're actually talking

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about socialism. But communism was a government free society that

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everybody was an angel, and they did everything they're supposed

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to do, and you would go and get what you

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need and produce for other people without them asking. It's

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a fantasy, but it grabs hold of people who are

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probably missing out in their own society and they want

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something and they want the government or they want the

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ideology to provide for them. And I think that's really

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encapsulating what was going on in the sixties was there

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were these opposition forces outside of the West that had

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alternative systems, and the powers that be in the West

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were like, Okay, we don't want to lose power, and

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we don't want to necessarily hand it over to the

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polp Bureau, but we need like the Rockefellers in particular,

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and the Fords get mentioned and other people, but the

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Rockefellers are recurring throughout this book. They, I think, and

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you could say the Rothschilds or anybody like that. They

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want to sort of keep their power, but do it

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in a hidden way, through the back door, so that

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it's not obvious that they're pulling a lot of the strings.

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at a presidential campaign. He was the governor of New York.

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lot of their power was through the foundations. They set

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up the Museum of Modern Art, which had relationships with

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the CIA and stuff like that, and I think it's

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a very sophisticated model. Actually it's a diffuse way that

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where people have a sense that they can elect those

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that represent them. And I've said this over and over

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on my show, but there was a very good academic

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research paper by two professors by the name of Gillen's

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and Paige, and they observed that the correlation between the

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opinions of the masses, the voters basically, and what Congress

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does is almost zero. So in effect, you're voting doesn't

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change anything in Congress. But what does change Congress is

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the donor class. And these are the Rockefeller types. And

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the civil rights movement, setting up modern art, doing all

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these other things. And it's really kind of a secretive,

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backdoor thing. And is it really communism, I don't know.

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elite power system. And you can look at where Davos

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UN and they built that whole thing, and they've donated

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the land, and you can start to see once you

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have that much power and wealth, you start thinking on

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a grander scale than just your your community obviously, and

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you even your nation. And so I think it's an

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interesting evolution of thought that probably can be traced back

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really got going on the streets in the sixties. But yeah,

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the book. The book does a fantastic job. And I

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really commend you for having mister Maltsov on because I

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thought he spoke from genuine authority, giving that he lived

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in the Soviet Union and he saw the horrors of it,

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and he saw how many people that system killed, not

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just in Russia, but in China and everywhere else it

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was tried. And he's banging the drum on, you know,

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as a professor to his students who don't want to

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hear it because they live in a nice society and

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they're kind of spoiled, and they're kind of like the

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kids after World War Two where their parents fought in

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the war and they had had them and they didn't

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really have to struggle. And I don't know what causes this,

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it was another war that was over and there's another

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generation that's going through this nonsense and so, but we'll

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maybe get to that later as to like how it's

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affecting today.

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stating that he, in his opinion, the election of Biden

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is a resumption of the globalist's agenda along with the

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new Left, which represents group like Antifa and that continues

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to agitate in the streets to make the country ungovernable.

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I know when we hear the term global ast, we

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immediately think of Alex Jones. But what was what's your

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opinion on either one of you on Baltan's take there?

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Speaker 3: Do you mind if I take this?

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Speaker 2: Go for it?

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Speaker 3: So my understanding, especially when you delve into the kind

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of Marxian stratum of the United States especially, is that

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the origins and the roots of our leftists generally come

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from Gramshey communism, which is a different brand than Marxistleninism

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or Maloism and primarily focuses on cultural questions as the

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vehicle for social, societal economic change. Downstream. And for those

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of you don't know, Antonio Gramscy is this guy who

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was an Italian communist who is imprisoned under Mussolini, who

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stayed in prison for twenty years, wrote this thing called

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the Prison Notebooks, and in them he basically elucidated that

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the Marxian paradigm of seizing the material means of production

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by the worker for a proletariat state ultimately do not harbor.

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nor is it efficacious in the long term. Why is

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this because most people, as opposed to what we generally

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believe in the liberal Western society anglosphere, we are irrational

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and to form irrational opinions and condition them into humans

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is a quite different vehicle than the economic considerations that

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focuses on locuses of cultural power first and then through that,

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while maintaining of course ties with capitalist powers such as

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the Rockefellers and so on, exude their cultural power out

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into wider society and condition a difference a revolution cultural revolution.

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education were these you know, ex communist individuals who had

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or a number of other different individuals. Now, this is

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we consider the economics to be the nexus of politic power.

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that they're able to change culture and then they can

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they basically tap into the monetary power. But I think

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it's important to state that, especially in the second chapter

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of the book, where it talks about, for instance, women's liberation.

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figure pre eminently over material questions, and material questions come later.

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Did you notice that, I mean, maybe push back on me,

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but that's just my personal view of how things kind

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which is something that actually libertarians don't have an answer for,

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is that Graham she could figure out how to radicalize

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the private The whole idea of the whole idea of

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over the state, and you know, eventually it went away, YadA, YadA.

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I mean there's a lot more in between. I can

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Speaker 2: But the.

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Speaker 1: Gram she was like, well, let's radicalize private industry. You know,

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let's when you see when when you see something like

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the inclusive economy, you and once you grasp that concept,

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then you understand why DEI is here, You understand why

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ESG is here, You understand why there are trans people,

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this is this is a direct result of Gramscy understanding

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that Sombart wrote a book Verner Sombart wrote them why

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is there no socialism in America? And basically because I

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mean simply people like to own ship And that's what

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he came down to. So once once somebody like gram

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figuring out how to radicalize the private you know, which

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basically defend that, well, it's a private company, bro, they

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can do what they want, and they don't realize that

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the social engineers are at work. And you know, one

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they libertarianism has no answer for social engineers, and neither

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does Neither does republicanism, conservatism pretty much anybody accept this

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progressive worldview precisely, precisely.

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Speaker 2: Well, when I'm hearing you both speak, I just hear

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this term cultural Marxism pop up, and it's funny. I

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don't even know if the left uses that term. I've

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only heard it at night, that's right.

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Speaker 1: That's why I don't use it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know what it means, but it

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just my rough understanding, and maybe you correct me here,

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is that it's just an attempt at Marxism obviously, I think,

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at least by other means, and it's not necessarily through

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getting people to voluntarily join this giant global corp that

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owns everything and you own nothing. Although Klaus Schwab would

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like that, but he's dying apparently. But they'll find somebody

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else though. But I think I've heard in America in particular,

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that a lot of these left type people observe that,

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as you just said, people like to own stuff. And

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so we need another way to get to Marxism, and

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maybe it's through culture. Maybe it's through race, and I

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think the race relations are I think a key vector

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for that. I mean, the book talks about black panthers.

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more Hispanics and stuff like that. But there's just a

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lot of different groups and using the different groups against

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each other to fracture the sort of remaining wasp elite.

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I guess that supposedly still there. It doesn't seem to

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be there anymore, but I think that's been a huge vector.

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Speaker 3: The interesting thing is it's the same dialectic, however. I mean,

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it's I probably saying something that you boys already know,

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but originally under Marx it was, you know, the bourgeoisie

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or the proletary against the BOURGEOISI. The same dialectic maintains,

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except it's the oppressed versus the oppressor, and that paradigm

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can be grafted onto any kind of social conflict where

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anyone perceived to be the oppressed has the upper hand.

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The first principle the societal inertia, if that makes sense,

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and so and secondly, I don't mind us actually generating

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terminology and culture ourselves. That's precisely what we need to

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start doing, is actually being self confident in our own

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academic terms, our own type of language, because when you

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start using the frame of your adversary, you lose. So, yes,

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it is good that we use terms such as cultural

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Marxism and other kinds of terminology that they don't use

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because it's advantageous to us because it advances our paradigm.

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So I'll just leave it there. But Pete, do you

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have anything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna I was going to say that

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the when you look at what Gram she was teaching, Well, Gram,

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she's writing from jail. And even though he well, you

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need a way to get this out there, you need

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a way to communicate this to the masses. You need

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a way for the masses to buy in. And even

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though he predates gram Sheet in his activity, I would

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say that probably, I don't know, you can push back

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on this, that probably no one did more to help

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to push forward at least of what she was talking about,

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more than Edward Berne's in the second chapter.

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Speaker 3: No, And you're precisely right. The reason why I bring

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crumb She's because it provides US Westerners who are unfamiliar,

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especially if you're not an autistics fergus such as myself

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researching all this kind of stuff. It gives people the

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starting block, right, And I'm really grateful. I'm grateful for

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this book because it really goes into fleshing out and

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the later acolytes of gram Shee downstream, because they are

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really effectual. I mean, look at society the world now.

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every aspect of the West. It's infected even Russia for instance,

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or and the PRC as well, or the People's Republic

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of China by the way. So it's it's incredibly effective

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and the answer must be found, And I guess that's

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what we're doing here, is trying to find it through

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this book.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things he talks about in there

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the c i A on its ideological offensive against the

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US s R. And you know that he was involved

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writes in there is that the New Left, rather than

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being a Soviet a Soviet plot more had its origins

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in the in the Cold War, which I think anybody

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who's looked at the uh the foundation of where of

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the Trotskyites in the United States and crossing over into

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neo conservatism and then just carrying on through the Cold War,

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that doesn't come as a surprise too many.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean to add on to that, I

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think there is a lot of I mean, if you

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read Stalin's work, for instance, by Sean mcnehe, it's he

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makes a compelling case to talk about the deep socialist

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integration with the American government in the twenties and thirties,

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and obviously that bear fruit during World War Two and

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our close association with Uncle Joe. But I don't think

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the so you noticed that a lot of these individuals

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that were moles or you know, actors for the Soviet

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Union during the war and a little bit after. Their

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disassociation with the Soviet Union is probably genuine. I believe

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what happened was primarily America became a pinko state with

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its own unique brand of communism, and it's basically two

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communist states, two communist ideologies with their own paradigms battling

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each other out. Very interesting kind of paradigm to see.

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everyone talks about him. I'm not really so sanguine on him,

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but he does make the point that a lot of

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KGBA officers felt that if the Cold War had permanence

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in another thirty years, that they would have won, and

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I really doubt that. I think that what would have

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happened is just that America would have just gone a

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lot more crazy, you know, it just continued to be

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what it is today.

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Speaker 2: Well, just going going back to the premise that the

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Soviets and the Americans are not that different, I think

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is kind of interesting and I'll completely agree. But I

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think the book does put forward the notion that after

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the end of the war, both sides wanted to be

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the rulers of the next step, and they kind of

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wanted the other side to join them. And because they

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didn't want to join each other or join the other

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as the leader, they wanted to be the leader. There

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was a huge rift that happened. And that's not really

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a controversial statement, but the notion that America self was

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actually kind of a globalist operation, the UN being in

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New York, et cetera, and wanting the Russians to basically

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come into that. Maybe you can call it neoliberalism. I'm

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not really sure what to call it. That's more of

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a post Cold War term that kind of took shape

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during globalization perhaps, but I think that's an interesting way

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to explore it. Whether the Soviets would have defeated the

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United States or the United States would have morphed into

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what it is now, I don't know. I think my

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current premise is that what we're going through right now

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with like the trans write stuff, I think it's because

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we quote unquote won the Cold War. We don't have

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a real enemy to cause us to doubt what we're saying,

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and maybe, you know, focus on bigger priorities. I think

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we just kind of are screwing around too much. But

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that's just my rough understanding of what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Well, finally, coming coming forward to the sixties, he starts

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talking about critical theory and the critical theorists and brings

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up Marcuse and his description of Marcuse synthesizing Forredian psychoanalysis

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with Marxism to challenge Western culture and morality is probably

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a good starting point and a probably good overall description

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of what was being promoted in the sixties in the

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counter culture.

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Speaker 2: Definitely.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and I mean, I've read Marcus's Repressive Tolerance

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on my on my show before, gone over it, and yeah,

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he's I mean, when you realize that he was Paul

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Gottfried's thesis advisor, you you realize, Wow, this guy was

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This guy was in the United States, he was working,

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and he was working in you know, my parents' lifetime,

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your parents' lifetime. So it's uh, just watching that when

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you take into consideration, if you've if you've studied Freud

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at all, if you've read Freud at all, and once

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you see exactly what was being promoted in the sixties,

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it's almost impossible not to see how Freudian psychoanalysis was influencing.

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It had an influence over so much of the propaganda

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and engineering that was putting that was being put out there.

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Speaker 2: Of course, you mentioned Berne's I mean he was Freud's cousin.

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I think you know, I have cousins too. We don't

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all agree. Doesn't necessarily mean that you know that that's

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like the family strategy. But it is interesting, it's very interesting,

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and I don't I don't know as much about this

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as you do, Pete. I think, but how related is

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that to the Frankfurt School and the studies of authoritarian personality,

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because that's something I have looked at a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Well it is, I mean, the the Rockefeller Foundation, it

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was the American Jewish Committee that was responsible for the

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authoritarian personality, but I think the the American Jewish Committee

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got money from the Rockefeller Foundation. I mean, the Rockefeller

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Foundation did fund Kinsey's Kinsey's sexology studies. I mean, he's

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basically like the American version of Magnus Herscheld. But yeah,

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it definitely is this all ties together because at the

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end of the authoritarian personality, it says, well, how are

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we going to deal with these fascists? And these people

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are just becoming fascists there they're on the roads of fascism,

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and it was aeros. Yeah, and then you look in

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it's like, well, what books did the Rockefeller Foundation put

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out and fund? Aeros and civilization one one dimensional man?

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So yeah, sex drugs.

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Speaker 3: In rock and roll. It's interesting how the impulse had

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leaked into the wider I mean he even talks about it,

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you know, the wider cultural zeitgeist and the primacy of

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sex in a way that wasn't really present present beforehand

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in history. And the emphasis of course, especially now that

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there are a lot of like neurocognition studies that coming

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out about you know, obviously dopamine and all that kind

476
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,279
of stuff and conditioning, and of course the most important

477
00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:52,480
part is the like what's it called. It's the inability

478
00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:56,680
for when you fry your dopamine receptors, there's like this

479
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,759
cognitive situation that your rise were. Yeah, it's not even dissonance,

480
00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:06,119
it's it's about lack of self discipline that that basically

481
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:11,079
cause causes erosion in the brain, lack of will self

482
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,640
how do you say self policing, And it's precisely what

483
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,759
this entire ideology is predicated on, basically keeping people from

484
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,839
actually having sovereignty agency by eroding them slowly over time,

485
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,400
you know. And there's a reason why. For instance, pornography

486
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,519
is you weaponize in the military operations, and I mean,

487
00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:37,279
aside from lowering testosterone in populations, et cetera, but it

488
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:45,319
also kind of breeds that apathetic type personality.

489
00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:47,279
Speaker 2: You're You're not the first to notice this, but I

490
00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:50,119
think the way you just put it made made me. No. No,

491
00:30:50,359 --> 00:30:54,359
I'm giving a compliment here. I the fact that dopamine

492
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:58,480
is actually a drug in a sense, if it's actually

493
00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:03,440
artificially stimulated, is something I hadn't considered. But that is

494
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,759
one of the easiest ways to grab hold of people

495
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:12,839
through entertainment basically and keep them hooked in whatever you're

496
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,880
pushing selling marketing. I mean it goes back to propaganda.

497
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,680
I mean it's like you glamorize it, you make it sexy.

498
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,799
I mean Brenees was famous for the craziest pr campaign

499
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:25,240
I'd ever read about. And you guys probably know about this,

500
00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:29,759
but you women were considered too delicate and important frankly

501
00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:34,519
to be smokers back in the early nineteen hundreds, and

502
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:37,599
it was during I think one of the World War

503
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,400
One parades or something that Burne's suggested to a cigarette

504
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:47,960
marketing agency to give beautiful women cigarettes to smoke at

505
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,720
the parade, and this was done or described as torches

506
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,839
of freedom. And just there's that stupid word again, where

507
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,920
everybody is just given these or welling in concepts that

508
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:06,119
don't necessarily mean what they actually are, are told you as.

509
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,839
But you know, I mean think about smoking. I mean,

510
00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:11,039
you know, I know people have had lunk answer from

511
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:14,680
this ship, and it's like you're telling the women that

512
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,960
they're free and liberated now because they're they're polluting their lungs.

513
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,200
And so the beautiful women, of course is the sex appeal.

514
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,480
It's it encourages men obviously to want to partake, but

515
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:29,799
it also encourages other women to emulate because they admire

516
00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:33,720
those women. And so it's in pornography is obvious, you know,

517
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,640
but you know even movies watching, you know, the Academy Awards,

518
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,640
you know, how how much effort these actors and actresses

519
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,519
put into their their outfits and trying to stimulate your senses.

520
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:48,519
You know, it's almost satanic. I mean, if you're if

521
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:52,079
you're religious, it's it's it's it's creepy, but it works,

522
00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:53,319
it's very powerful.

523
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 3: But keeping it from it to a secular paradigm. The

524
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,559
most interesting thing about subversion is that it's always in

525
00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:04,400
the oblome, right. It's conflating terms that we understand with

526
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,920
sustenance or the substance of that term, instantiating it with

527
00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:14,000
ideas which are foreign. And that is precisely what happens

528
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:17,160
throughout this book that he writes. Is basically there are

529
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,079
old terms such as freedom, liberty, et cetera, and they're

530
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:25,480
conflated and injected with foreign abscess, which become of course

531
00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:28,640
organic over time. Now, how do you push back on that?

532
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,279
It's almost impossible because either you're a square, which is

533
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:35,480
where the original term came from, right, you're like a

534
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:41,720
Christian ultra prude or whatever. Or if you try to

535
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:44,319
do the opposite, which is the Yuka Mishima type, you

536
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,839
go into like the saline doing drugs, and you become

537
00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:52,000
no different from them, and in effect they win simply

538
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:55,799
because they tear down, you know, the nature of society

539
00:33:55,839 --> 00:33:58,920
together because there's no way to out maneuver drug addiction.

540
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:01,400
I mean, unless you're like the Taliban, where you have

541
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,319
a totalitarian state and you're able to make discipline happen.

542
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,199
But you can't do that in a democracy where people

543
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,480
have personal freedom, because all you gotta do is induce

544
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:14,360
them with this kind of drug addiction, whether it's pornography

545
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,440
or other kinds of dopaminergic tricks, if that makes sense.

546
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,320
And you see this precisely with even TV shows in

547
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,519
the fifties, sixties, and seventies, which start to condition the

548
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:31,000
populace to accept, for instance, the breakdown of the family

549
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,360
having single parent homes, which was unheard of before, and

550
00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:40,440
start glamorizing, making heroines out of these individuals. It's very

551
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,679
interesting because a lot of the things that we take

552
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,239
for granted, especially myself. I'm a younger generation who has

553
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,800
no experience of what it was like before. For them,

554
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,000
it was something that was like a slow moving collapse.

555
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:59,000
I mean, isn't gen X the Latchkey Kids precisely from

556
00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:04,400
this that we're talking about that originates it. It's scary,

557
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:05,800
it's scary.

558
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:11,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, the book doesn't touch upon feminism too too much,

559
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,159
but obviously the latch Key phenomenon is effectively a result

560
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:18,039
of that. And I kind of grew up as one.

561
00:35:18,639 --> 00:35:20,760
You know, my mother. I don't like to speak about

562
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,840
my family publicly on this type of format. But you know,

563
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,079
just roughly like she she did have a few jobs

564
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:30,440
and so, and I don't resent it, but it just

565
00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:33,920
it was more and more common, and I think that

566
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:38,880
was unheard of not too far back. And that's some

567
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,599
of that is economic, but I think some of it

568
00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:44,760
is definitely by design. I think it was Aaron Russo

569
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:47,719
he talked about how like the Rockefellers were pushing this

570
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:54,960
stuff basically to weaken the individual family, basically to keep

571
00:35:55,039 --> 00:36:01,960
that power away from the people and and keep it

572
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:02,920
held by the elites.

573
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, the the sixties, really one of the big

574
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:14,440
messages was liberation from repression. And that goes to the free,

575
00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:17,639
free sex, that goes to feminism, that goes to everything.

576
00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:21,639
And you know, they're just basically trying to undermine traditional

577
00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:28,400
morality and create a society that that's fractured of traditional bonds.

578
00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:31,840
And you know, when you take into consideration like the

579
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,000
post nineteen forty five what we called it, what a

580
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:40,360
bungeous called the Nuremberg regime, the liberal the liberal international order,

581
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:45,079
it requires a fluidity in all things and that helps

582
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:49,280
them to maximize profit, production and consumption. But it's also

583
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,960
a control mechanism.

584
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that great term divide in imperia.

585
00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: You know.

586
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,199
Speaker 3: The individual. When you we make it individuals, you have

587
00:37:01,679 --> 00:37:05,719
granulated everyone. You have completely dominated them to the individual level.

588
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:08,400
And I agree with you, and I think the greater,

589
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,079
the most malicious thing is this aversion to paint right,

590
00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:17,079
because what they call oppression or whatever really implied between

591
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:22,119
the lines, is this aversion to paint self sacrifice, probably

592
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:27,280
taking opportunity costs of yourself, your personal development. For instance, women, right,

593
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:32,599
you forego a career to have a family. Well, that's

594
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:36,840
what this technology, this societal technology does, is it dissolves

595
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:44,840
the cultural structures which reinforce teamwork and induces them to

596
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,239
do what they've done since then, and obviously has deleterious

597
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,719
fertility effects. It has deleterious societal effects. And we're starting

598
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,159
to see that now of course, as like the age

599
00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:01,760
Pyramids or you know, getting older and all these kinds

600
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,880
of issues that are arising. But we are only starting

601
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,599
to see the terminus of this cancer, the ugly head

602
00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:11,920
of this cancer come true, because it's going to start

603
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,039
affecting not just the Western populist but also you know,

604
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,880
even those people from originally third world countries and populations.

605
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,800
So it'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

606
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,320
But returning to the book, I guess I wanted to

607
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:31,280
ask you your your opinion specifically on McCarthy and the

608
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,079
interplay between what was going on in the sixties with

609
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:37,880
McCarthy and if you had any thoughts on that.

610
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:46,599
Speaker 1: Through the sixties you mean anti continued anti communist.

611
00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, McCarthyism.

612
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 2: Sorry, Joseph McCarthy, Well he was what the fifties I think,

613
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,360
but yeah, that's right. Talking about after.

614
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,039
Speaker 1: Is like me, he pretty much. I think the problem

615
00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:03,079
with McCarthy is that he discredited himself. It would constantly

616
00:39:03,159 --> 00:39:07,679
change numbers. He was he he was drunk a lot,

617
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,159
and I think what he did he pointed out, he

618
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:16,400
made great points and he people try to connect him

619
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,559
to Huac and it's like, well, me, he's a senator.

620
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,599
The best thing he did was was inspired QAC and

621
00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:32,039
also just basically have a He really gave the right.

622
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:37,280
It's real last win, like real win. I mean able

623
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,599
to take out some take out some communists, take out

624
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:41,719
a couple literally.

625
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Nick Nixon was sort of floating around during

626
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,440
that era. I can't remember if he worked with McCarthy directly,

627
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:52,320
but he definitely put on some of those same people

628
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:58,400
on the stand, some of the Hollywood types, and he

629
00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:01,760
obviously got taken out when he got into power, but.

630
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: That in the early sixties, I mean, when he ran

631
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,320
against Kennedy. Most of the vitriol he got from the

632
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:18,960
press it has been attributed now to his associations to McCarthy.

633
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: McCarthy.

634
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: I guess the reason why I bring it up is

635
00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:26,760
because whenever you denounce the enemy as commis or whatever,

636
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:33,960
they have so completely conditioned society to discourage any kind

637
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,159
of criticism because that's that's the red scare, that's McCarthyism,

638
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:41,559
that's you know, illiberalism, whatever it is. But he was

639
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,280
onto something. I mean, he was spot on. And I

640
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,719
think the most interesting thing is just a small aside

641
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,760
here just recently twenty seventeen, I think it was twenty nineteen,

642
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:56,800
excuse me, twenty twenty documents regarding Senator McCarthy when he

643
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,480
was going through, of course, purging communists from the army

644
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:03,119
and the military in general. Then he started working into

645
00:41:03,159 --> 00:41:06,480
the federal government. He had a lot of personal communicates

646
00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:09,679
with the CIA before then, right and then finally he

647
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,000
was inching closer to the CIA, and he's starting to

648
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:16,480
open up inquiries into the CIA, and then guess what happened.

649
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,320
His whole career got shut down. So it's very interesting

650
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,840
to see because we start to understand who has the

651
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,400
locus of power, who is the one that has truly

652
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:31,320
the power in that kind of political paradigm, if that

653
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,719
makes sense. And the reason why I bring it up

654
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:39,000
is because a lot of people they disregard anyone who

655
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:43,440
criticized the CIA because they believe that it's just tinfoil

656
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:48,159
hat type situation. But there is increasing evidence, mounting evidence

657
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,480
to show that the criticism of the nineteen forty seven

658
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:55,960
Security Act, the National Defense Act or whatever was definitely

659
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,639
a big problem. And the origin of those course the pinkoss.

660
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:04,920
And it's very interesting because of you know, I read

661
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,880
this book and I just start seeing the connections between

662
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,960
the oss, the oligarchs for instance, you know, the Rockefeller

663
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,440
Foundation and so on, and the people on the ground,

664
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,719
like the hippies and whatever. And it's very weird because

665
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,639
the FBI, ironically enough, was the last vestige of anti

666
00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:26,760
communist action well into the sixties. It was only after,

667
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,840
of course, Martin Luther King that whole situation. Did they

668
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:36,639
start becoming part of the I guess, how do you say,

669
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,440
you know, state aligned, if that makes.

670
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,039
Speaker 2: Sense, the deep state.

671
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's scary.

672
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: You know, well, they were an effect part of the

673
00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:51,840
deep state, but it just wasn't oriented towards the goals

674
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,960
that it seems to be oriented towards today. I mean,

675
00:42:54,000 --> 00:43:00,320
it was genuinely more anti communist during Hoover's era, obviously

676
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,920
at the FBI, that was one of his big big things.

677
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:09,280
But afterwards I think they they just got I don't know,

678
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,679
I think maybe closer to that CIA almost. It's like

679
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:16,400
how the CIA doesn't necessarily view communism as a good thing.

680
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:22,719
But whatever, this emerging alternative globalist neoliberal, I mean, we

681
00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:25,480
really need to figure out what it should be called,

682
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:28,719
but it's it's something else. I think neoliberalism, to me

683
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,559
is probably the most accurate way of putting it. But

684
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:36,280
there are so many groups here. Maybe we should go

685
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,519
back to where the book guides us to keep it

686
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:42,920
keep it focus. But well, you know that's all right.

687
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: You brought up neoliberalism, which which leads me into my

688
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:52,159
next point was in bringing up the March to the institutions,

689
00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:57,360
and how the Fabian society in Britain was such an

690
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,800
influence among the intelligentsia through the London School of Economics

691
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,760
and Political science, and how students of nineteen sixty eight

692
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,800
in the London School of Economics became establishment figures who

693
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,239
helped shape new labor in the nineteen nineties which basically

694
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:21,840
brought in and championed global capitalism and neoliberalism. And yeah,

695
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:26,400
it seemed it seems like that this was a again

696
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:33,719
top down This wasn't something that those hippies were pushing

697
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,960
in the streets, but it was something that a Fabian society,

698
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,480
who I mean, we know names that are associated with

699
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,519
them in the past, that were able to were able

700
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:49,119
to do to bring in this global capitalism neoliberalism, which

701
00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:53,039
I think we can agree when we look at it now,

702
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:59,760
it's basically a function of helping transform lifestyles and to

703
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:05,000
my oocritizing society, reform the institutions, and just basically break

704
00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:08,360
with any kind of true right wing legacy.

705
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 2: Well, let's, for my edification at the very least, let's

706
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:18,320
review the Fabian school as opposed to maybe the Leninist

707
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:25,800
or Marxist or Soviet approach to socialism. My rough recollection

708
00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:28,800
is that it was sort of let's use the velvet

709
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:34,000
glove to persuade as opposed to coerce instead of using

710
00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:37,440
the iron fist. Is that roughly right? Or clarify for

711
00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:38,199
me if you could.

712
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, I mean the Fabian Society. They founded the

713
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,960
London School of Economics in eighteen ninety five. That is,

714
00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:46,840
you know, we're not talking about people who are like, well,

715
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,519
we need to go out into the streets, we need

716
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:51,719
to arm the proletariat, or talking about people who are like,

717
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,639
we're going to take over people's minds.

718
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

719
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,679
Speaker 1: So yeah, this was truly the march for the march

720
00:45:58,800 --> 00:45:59,960
or the institution.

721
00:46:02,119 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 2: Well, the London School of Economics. Gosh, there should be

722
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,000
a book out there that covers that place. But I

723
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:12,400
have noticed, just anecdotally how many key figures there are

724
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:17,159
that have done a circuit through that place. And I've

725
00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:19,000
been to London only a couple of times, and I've

726
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,480
never been inside that school, but I would only imagine

727
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:25,559
the types of discussions they're having, And it seems to

728
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:28,199
be one of those feathers in a lot of world

729
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,039
leaders caps or sort of the Anglo sphere at least

730
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:32,880
to sort of say, well, I went to Harvard, but

731
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,480
then I got my graduate to Great London School of Economics.

732
00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:37,119
It seems to be a pattern I've noticed.

733
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:43,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, to say the least, I think Edward Luthfag went too, So.

734
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not even sure I wouldn't go. I mean,

735
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,559
like I why not. You know, it doesn't mean you

736
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:50,480
have to agree with them, but you'll learn something, you know.

737
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 3: No, it don't get me wrong inside, And don't get

738
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,119
me wrong, I'm not conflating. Just because someone went there

739
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,000
doesn't mean that they are a partisan of that situation.

740
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,639
I mean, we know a lot of guys in our

741
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:05,079
sphere that have gone to you know, ivy leagues, you know,

742
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,880
and you know they remain unscathed. You know they made

743
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:09,280
it through.

744
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,079
Speaker 2: You know. You talk about the march of the institutions.

745
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:14,159
I mean, that's what the left did, so why't why

746
00:47:14,159 --> 00:47:16,360
shouldn't the right do the same thing, you know, to

747
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:22,079
sort of this notion that we have to stand aside

748
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:24,480
from all the elite institutions and just let them burn.

749
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:27,480
I mean, that's that's one approach, But I would also say,

750
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:32,039
infiltrate and study is another one, And do what you

751
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:34,400
can add to the best of your ability.

752
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 3: You know, I would say I would even go one further,

753
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,559
I would say that's incredibly important. However, the thing that

754
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,639
communists have that we don't is that they understand what

755
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:48,920
they're here for. They get what the end state is.

756
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,960
They have an end state, they understand what the end

757
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:54,280
goal is. And we can't agree on what the end

758
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,119
goal is. Therefore we're not able to plan downwards, you know,

759
00:47:57,199 --> 00:47:59,679
we can't. We don't even have the strategic self understanding.

760
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:04,679
How can we have operations or even tactical level efficacious moves,

761
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,719
if that makes sense. And so what would we be

762
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,599
marching through four? What would we be espousing? What would

763
00:48:11,639 --> 00:48:15,239
be you know, championing? And that is the thing that

764
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,400
we have to answer, which we can probably deduce by

765
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,440
the oblique from learning from the new Left, from the

766
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,880
gram Shite Left, when they talk about, for instance, societal

767
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,800
values that they want to condition. Maybe we should be

768
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:33,400
able to self reflect and induce within ourselves or precipitate

769
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,480
within ourselves the core values that we have, and then

770
00:48:36,519 --> 00:48:39,280
we champion those, and then of course we create something

771
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,079
organic ourselves. And then we can counterthrust and do the

772
00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:45,239
same thing as well. I think that's where I'm kind

773
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,320
of I'm still masticating this idea myself. I'm still processing

774
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,400
and trying to figure out myself. And I'm assuming that's

775
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,400
why we're meeting here, you and I and Pete as well.

776
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:57,159
We're trying to find that answer, like a Knight's on

777
00:48:57,159 --> 00:48:59,880
the holy Grail? Is what is it that we truly live?

778
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,559
What is our one thousand and one goals? As Nietzsche

779
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:07,400
would say? And ultimately that's a it's a quest that

780
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,360
we're all on, and I feel that we're coming upon it.

781
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:14,079
Especially I mean, say what you want about Dugan, I

782
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:17,360
don't really like the guy, but what I can see

783
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,400
is the tendrils of something new over the horizon and

784
00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:24,760
overcoming of the paradigm of sixty eight, right, And I

785
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,639
think that's precisely why we should reflect on what they're doing,

786
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,760
precisely because even they they are defined by mythos of

787
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:32,480
their enemy.

788
00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: Right.

789
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,639
Speaker 3: So, for instance, in sixty eight, the whole you know,

790
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:41,400
World War two, Germany framing themselves as a never again?

791
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,800
What to do the opposite of that? I mean, why

792
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,760
can't we do the same, Why can't we figure out

793
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,559
an organic response to the revolution of sixty eight sixty

794
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:54,599
eight America. Why can't we see take what was good

795
00:49:54,639 --> 00:49:58,679
from them and discard the bad and put something new

796
00:49:58,960 --> 00:49:59,920
that we have to offer.

797
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: Well, can we come back to that, and Pete, you

798
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,800
please direct this. This is your show. But I wanted

799
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,880
to capture that idea a little bit and use the

800
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,880
book as sort of a guideline to kind of cover

801
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,639
the book and then also try to take some lessons

802
00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:17,000
from it to apply it to what Lance is talking about.

803
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:19,159
I think one of the interesting things that the book

804
00:50:19,199 --> 00:50:22,880
does do is it covers some of the responses to

805
00:50:23,559 --> 00:50:27,920
what was going on in that generation. So the right

806
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:33,719
responding to the left basically the reactionaries effectively, and perhaps

807
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,840
we need to stop being reactionaries and start being the

808
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,960
leaders in effect. But what I found interesting was the

809
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,599
discussion of Goldwater in particular, because that was a little

810
00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:46,440
bit closer to that time, and then I thought, well,

811
00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:49,159
what else happened, you know? I think I think Nixon also,

812
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,639
but also obviously the Reagan thing in the eighties was

813
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,159
a big response to this as well. And also Reagan

814
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,960
was in California during this time, with all the student

815
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,559
protests at Berkeley and their campuses, and he passed legislation

816
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:06,519
in effect to take guns away. I think Pete you

817
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:08,159
covered this in one of your shows. From the Black

818
00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:10,639
Panthers who were running around Oakland and stuff like that.

819
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,039
So what can we learn from that? I mean, the

820
00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:17,360
civil rights movement was I think a big section of

821
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,199
the book because it was a big part of that time.

822
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,559
And so it goes into Martin Luther King, it goes

823
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:26,639
into the Black Panthers and some of the elite backing that.

824
00:51:26,639 --> 00:51:28,519
That's kind of the thesis of the book, that how

825
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:31,920
a lot of these people were supported, how that that happened.

826
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:36,480
Martin Luther King, for example, one of the quotes from

827
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,239
the book was he was too slow a thinker to

828
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:43,039
be trusted to speak without a script in front of him.

829
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,239
That find that fascinating, and actually in recollection, I don't

830
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,480
recalled him many interviews he gave. It was usually just

831
00:51:48,639 --> 00:51:51,679
keep talking at a podium.

832
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 3: I read his PhD thesis on Mithra and I doubt

833
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:56,159
that he wrote that.

834
00:51:57,159 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: I mean exactly, yes, I think it's improved.

835
00:52:00,039 --> 00:52:02,199
Speaker 1: And then he didn't write that. Yeah, I think it's

836
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:03,639
been proven says that he didn't write that.

837
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,119
Speaker 3: It was actually a decent thesis, but I just don't

838
00:52:06,159 --> 00:52:08,239
think it sounds like the same syntacks he uses.

839
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 2: You know, and say what you will about Obama. I mean,

840
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,960
I don't think he was stupid. He could get a

841
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:15,400
given interview, but I never heard King to say anything

842
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,960
in response to her question. I mean, so, yeah, it's

843
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:23,079
one thing to have a church voice and read from

844
00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:26,880
a book. I'm sorry, that just doesn't equate to too

845
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,519
much in my estimation. But beyond that, that whole Civil

846
00:52:31,639 --> 00:52:36,239
Rights Act, and does the book talk about Lyndon Johnson

847
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,159
at all, because I just think he's one of the

848
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:41,280
worst presidents this country's ever had, and during that time

849
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,239
he effectively, again it's sort of like an elite response

850
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,800
to what the street is burning stuff down about it's

851
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:51,000
And you can also say that the riots may have

852
00:52:51,039 --> 00:52:55,599
been an op in effect or stoked to create the conditions,

853
00:52:55,639 --> 00:53:00,000
maybe like what COVID was to create a larger state apparatus.

854
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:03,119
But I think the welfare state was effectively a huge

855
00:53:03,199 --> 00:53:06,880
response to what was going on and the complaining and

856
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:11,760
all the sort of burning of things. And then public

857
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:16,519
housing was built and who ac not who a hud

858
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:22,960
excuse me her housing and urban development group. All that

859
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:27,800
stuff was was a big expansion of Washington's power and

860
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:31,360
sort of like they took the opportunity to grow and

861
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,320
sort of like the war and terror, I mean, just

862
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,719
all these things, it just it just keeps making it

863
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:42,280
seems like it keeps making things worse with these solutions

864
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:46,840
that keep coming up with. But ultimately, and if you

865
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,239
guys have details you want to go into in the

866
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:52,079
civil rights movement, I think some of the seventies and

867
00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:55,519
eighties was a response to that. I mean, the silent majority.

868
00:53:56,519 --> 00:53:59,559
What can we learn from that. Nixon did get into power,

869
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:02,920
he was taken out, I think, I would argue, but

870
00:54:03,079 --> 00:54:06,960
he was able to capture a certain portion of the

871
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:12,599
populace's minds, share and heart, hearts and minds to win

872
00:54:12,639 --> 00:54:16,960
those elections. And then ultimately, you could say the CIA

873
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:21,079
or the deep state of the time had to correct

874
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:24,800
the people. But it was it was something that did happen.

875
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,159
It seemed to be somewhat of a successful response. And

876
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:30,599
I think the eighties as well were a response as

877
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:35,800
well that it did seem to do something in to

878
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,159
combat what was going on from this generation sixty eight.

879
00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:41,280
So I guess my question to you guys is what

880
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,320
lessons can we learn from that, if any, that we

881
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,320
can apply to maybe our generation.

882
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: Well, I think one of the easiest things to see

883
00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:56,559
in what happened was is they took they were able

884
00:54:56,599 --> 00:54:58,840
to take people's eye off of the ball what's important

885
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,360
and what was important culture. So when we talk about

886
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:06,480
the you know, the nineteen nineties and growing global capitalism,

887
00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:10,239
you know, liberalism, I think San Francis said once that

888
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,320
in the sixties, white Americans were talking about black people.

889
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,960
In the seventies they were talking about bussing, and in

890
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,679
the nineties they were talking about.

891
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:26,519
Speaker 2: Taxes, contract with America. Very different.

892
00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:32,079
Speaker 1: You're right, you're right, yeah, So the the grow the

893
00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:37,840
Yaki wrote about this in Imperium. He said that what

894
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,280
he saw what was going to happen was that man

895
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,199
was going to become economized. Man was going to be

896
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,480
forced into economics. He was going to be forced into

897
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:53,320
a field that he should you should only be thinking

898
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,840
about when you're writing a check or paying a bill,

899
00:55:57,079 --> 00:56:00,760
and that now economics was going to become such an

900
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,719
important part of man's life that he actually used the

901
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,679
term man is going to become economized and not like

902
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,320
you know, there he's going to pair everything down. No,

903
00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:13,440
he's going to become an economic machine. He is going

904
00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:19,719
to become somebody who walks around as if they're a like.

905
00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 3: An annuity, like a freaking hug.

906
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 2: Some people all that economicus, like homo economicus.

907
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so yeah. The one thing that I just

908
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,840
see that it's so easy to get us to take

909
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,639
our eye off the ball when it comes to finance,

910
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:48,239
and you know, one of the and then what's funny

911
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,559
is if you look at two thousand and eight and

912
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:55,679
the housing crisis and you come forward to Occupy Wall Street,

913
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,159
you come forward to the tea party, well, they just

914
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:04,039
reversed it. They're like, don't pay attention to economics anymore. No,

915
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:07,000
we're going to put We're going to shove woke down

916
00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:10,440
your throat. I think the term racism like did a

917
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:15,519
hockey stick at that point. So they're very easy at

918
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:18,159
making us take our eye off the ball. And I

919
00:57:18,159 --> 00:57:22,480
think our eyes when it comes to percentages, we should

920
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,760
be looking at culture in the biggest, highest percentage possible

921
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:32,280
and not allow them to distract us from that, because

922
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:37,239
that's what happened. We were distracted from culture. Culture was broken.

923
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,119
And then you get into the nineties and everybody's like, well,

924
00:57:42,679 --> 00:57:44,119
it's all about tax policy.

925
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 2: I think you're right. I think definitely the nineties where

926
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,280
you could say the hangover from the eighties, and then

927
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,960
the seventies were the hangover from the sixties. And during

928
00:57:55,159 --> 00:57:58,360
I think the seventies and eighties, I think there was

929
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:03,599
somewhat of a revival and perhaps the religious parts of

930
00:58:03,719 --> 00:58:07,960
the country. I forget what it's called eight hundred Club

931
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:10,000
or something like that. There was a television program where

932
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:14,679
a lot of these evangelicals and people like that would

933
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,440
would sort of there seemed to be somewhat of a

934
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,840
groundswell against this, and there was the Satanic panic, and

935
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,880
people were scared of of kind of the things that

936
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,360
they were seeing, and and there did seem to be

937
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,239
somewhat of a cultural or religious response in addition to

938
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:34,760
the economics. But that did seem to die down by

939
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:39,199
the nineties. I think you're right, and perhaps some of

940
00:58:38,239 --> 00:58:41,360
the stuff today, I mean, I would say, and it's

941
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:42,800
it's it always takes different form.

942
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: Can I starupt you for a second? Insharp you for

943
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,559
a second. And I think it's very I think it's

944
00:58:47,639 --> 00:58:54,280
very interesting that people like James lindsay and basically these nominal,

945
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:58,719
these classical quote uncute classical liberals, they all want to

946
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go back to the nineties. And when when you look

947
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,760
and it's like, well, what is what is everybody? I mean,

948
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,920
we're in a culture war. Everything is about everything is

949
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:14,400
about culture. They someone like him and I just thought

950
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,320
of this now I haven't put this together before. Wants

951
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,440
to go back to when it was all about economics, right,

952
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,920
that nobody was arguing over culture that you know, everybody.

953
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,960
I mean, I remember, I remember the nineties. I was

954
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,800
in a band. It was it was wild, it was fun.

955
00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:30,800
I mean it was I mean, the nineties was a

956
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,280
lot of fun. And people want to go back to that.

957
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,760
But the reason he wants to go back to it

958
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:42,119
is people are He's he equates his worldview of classical

959
00:59:42,159 --> 00:59:45,719
liberalism all with economics. If we can just have that

960
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,960
good economics again, where every where everything is so good

961
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,840
that nobody cares about this cultural stuff, when really it's

962
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,679
all about the cultural. It's all about the cultural.

963
00:59:57,039 --> 01:00:00,119
Speaker 3: Isn't it funny that man will choke on silver, but

964
01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:04,199
he'll live off of breadcrumbs with spirit, with a religious spirit.

965
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,039
It's interesting, you know, I hope I don't instrupt. But

966
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,360
if you guys don't mind me, I actually might have

967
01:00:10,719 --> 01:00:12,920
my own thing that I have been working on myself.

968
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,119
It's a little bit of a minute here, so I apologize.

969
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:20,159
Don't instruct me for a second. But Adam is probably

970
01:00:20,159 --> 01:00:23,000
gonna like lose his goddamn mind again because he's the

971
01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:25,719
Apollonian to my Dionysin. But I think what we're trying

972
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,000
to figure out, or what we're actually hovering over at

973
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,599
the target, is we have to address the irrational. I mean,

974
01:00:32,039 --> 01:00:35,199
the human man, the person with the soul is irrational,

975
01:00:35,679 --> 01:00:39,880
and that fundamentally economics and well being, and no matter

976
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,360
how much food you have in yourbelly and how happy

977
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:46,519
you are with your material possessions, there needs to be

978
01:00:46,599 --> 01:00:50,639
something higher, right, like there needs to be a certain calling.

979
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:53,000
And you see this in the midd Least, for instance.

980
01:00:53,639 --> 01:00:55,719
You know, most people don't know this, but the Middle

981
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,639
East wasn't like always such a shithole. I mean, there

982
01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:04,639
were secular governments that were progressive that offer people secular

983
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,679
how do you say, solutions to their problems, as opposed

984
01:01:08,719 --> 01:01:11,320
to the religious ones that figures largely now in the

985
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,559
Middle East, and what we understand them to be and

986
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:16,760
of course, like for instance, so soun bi Laden was

987
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,480
the son of a billionaire and he forsook all his

988
01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:23,400
fortune to seek you know, his religious you know convictions.

989
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,760
I'm not saying that I'm not Islamic or anything like that,

990
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:30,039
but it should provide you a metric of understanding of

991
01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:33,800
humans that we have this irrational need for things. And

992
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,880
the left what they do is they leverage the gravity

993
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,159
of their beliefs because man constantly wants to be lazy,

994
01:01:41,239 --> 01:01:43,960
he constantly wants to feel pleasure. He constantly he does

995
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,400
not want to feel disciplined. He doesn't want to feel

996
01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:51,960
to be encumbered, he doesn't want to feel like, you know,

997
01:01:52,199 --> 01:01:55,559
basically the discipline of life, whether it's in family, whether

998
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:59,079
it's a you know, civic service, X Y or Z.

999
01:02:00,119 --> 01:02:03,760
I think the truth or the origin of where we

1000
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,519
can start solving our problems is just like you said,

1001
01:02:06,719 --> 01:02:09,679
talking about culture, rather what does that mean the spirit?

1002
01:02:10,239 --> 01:02:12,440
And what really kind of is the engine of that

1003
01:02:12,519 --> 01:02:16,400
spirit is the family, it's religion, And I'm not religious myself,

1004
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,199
I'm a pretty secular guy. But I think the truth

1005
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:23,599
is that really like when you start leveraging that irrational

1006
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:28,880
agency in man, you start overcoming petty pleasures. When you

1007
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,599
start giving them a vision for something to suffer and

1008
01:02:31,679 --> 01:02:36,760
die for. They start ignoring and making sacrifices of things

1009
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,719
that the left leverages. So for instance, you know, drugs,

1010
01:02:39,719 --> 01:02:43,599
sex in rock and roll, and personal gratification in your career.

1011
01:02:44,159 --> 01:02:46,800
People forsake that if you can give them a vision

1012
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:53,199
of something that's beyond simply material well being. And I

1013
01:02:53,239 --> 01:02:56,519
know that sounds kind of like I said, it's not Apollonian.

1014
01:02:56,559 --> 01:02:59,320
You can't put numbers on that. It's not very you can't,

1015
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,840
but you know, put it on a map. It's very ephemeral,

1016
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,400
it's very psychological. But if we can start offering people

1017
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:09,360
that impetus, that meaning in life, we give them a mission,

1018
01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:13,280
some spirit in thumos in theirs chest, we can make

1019
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,239
them be beautiful again. And I think that's what was

1020
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:19,760
lacking in the West is fundamentally the destruction of Christianity.

1021
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:24,000
I'm not Christian myself, so I say this unbiased. I

1022
01:03:24,039 --> 01:03:29,000
think that precisely because Christianity became a waning psychological force

1023
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:32,039
in the West, that the engine of Western civilization came

1024
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:36,440
to a halt. Hence why the Left is ascendant, because

1025
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,599
they basically break down this carcass. So I don't think

1026
01:03:40,719 --> 01:03:44,280
the solution is to go back into Christianity. I think

1027
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:48,800
whatever spirituality that overcomes liberalism will be the future. However,

1028
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,840
I think this is what we're facing, is this question

1029
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:59,039
of overcoming this obstacle through irrational means, through appealing to

1030
01:03:59,079 --> 01:04:01,519
the soul. And is a great example. I'm sure that

1031
01:04:01,559 --> 01:04:03,920
you guys are aware of Fight Club, but it's a

1032
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:09,400
great encapsulation of man's disgust with the nineteen nineties material

1033
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:13,840
well being in favor of personal achievement in something that's

1034
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,719
kind of transcendental, something that appeals to the soul, something

1035
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,079
that you can give yourself towards. And I think that's

1036
01:04:19,079 --> 01:04:22,519
what we're here to discuss, is provide people with that vision.

1037
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,800
And if that makes sense, I don't know if I'm

1038
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,119
off left kilter here how you guys are feeling. So

1039
01:04:28,239 --> 01:04:31,760
give me some pushback here, Pete, Well, no.

1040
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: I mean I think it points towards like this Banglarian

1041
01:04:34,679 --> 01:04:42,400
and Yaki high culture, where that's what that's what a society.

1042
01:04:42,159 --> 01:04:47,519
A society needs in order to move forward, in order

1043
01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:53,679
to in order to progress, in order to be cohesive

1044
01:04:54,719 --> 01:04:59,880
as opposed to science, technology, technics, things like that, where

1045
01:05:00,119 --> 01:05:07,840
that immediately when you have machinery and machinery introduced it,

1046
01:05:08,679 --> 01:05:11,599
you basically start to realize, well, I can create, I

1047
01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:14,880
can become like God, and I can create all of

1048
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:20,320
these things. And it has a tendency to drive you

1049
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:25,119
away from that high culture, from that spiritual and you know,

1050
01:05:25,159 --> 01:05:27,039
I think we see that now. I think we see

1051
01:05:27,079 --> 01:05:31,400
that the you know, if if the regime in charge,

1052
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,400
if the spirit of this age, which I you know,

1053
01:05:33,519 --> 01:05:35,519
I think is the Nuremberg regime, the New the New

1054
01:05:35,559 --> 01:05:41,599
Deal regime is one thing, it's to destroy, that destroy

1055
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:50,760
any kind of any kind of cohesiveness, any kind of

1056
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:55,199
of a culture, any kind of race, any kind of homogeneity,

1057
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:00,679
any kind of order. As long as there's chaos, as

1058
01:06:00,679 --> 01:06:05,400
long as people are in chaos spiritually, and the spirit

1059
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,519
of the age is in chaos, the high culture is gone.

1060
01:06:09,159 --> 01:06:13,599
Then anyone who has seized power and is willing to

1061
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:18,000
use it can wield control over everything, even if, as

1062
01:06:18,039 --> 01:06:22,320
we see it, fall apart due to incompetency, over production

1063
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,239
of the elites, whatever however you want to explain it.

1064
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, And I think you're absolutely right. I think

1065
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:33,559
these are material manifestations of something that's happening psychologically, on

1066
01:06:33,559 --> 01:06:37,719
a psychological basis, and I completely agree with you, Pete,

1067
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,320
and I think that Adam and I are in accordance

1068
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,199
with this as well. And I think what we need

1069
01:06:43,239 --> 01:06:46,920
to give to people who are lost, who are in

1070
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,599
this chaos is a mission, a city on the hill

1071
01:06:50,039 --> 01:06:52,760
to go and fight for, and with people that are

1072
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:57,159
brave enough to be irrational in that pursuit. Because if

1073
01:06:57,159 --> 01:07:01,000
you notice, especially with like Backwoods preach, is the the

1074
01:07:01,199 --> 01:07:05,320
effusiveness and the spiritual self assuredness is what people crave.

1075
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:07,840
You see this in leadership in the military, but you

1076
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,719
see this at large in leadership and political people. There's

1077
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:17,719
a reason why they tear down political operatives or statesmen

1078
01:07:18,199 --> 01:07:23,119
who kind of have that gravitas. And it's precisely because

1079
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,159
they want you to be divided from a mission. They

1080
01:07:26,199 --> 01:07:30,880
want you to be not part of something greater than yourself.

1081
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,719
They want you to have nothing aside from your self

1082
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,920
self interest. And that's precisely what we got to change.

1083
01:07:38,079 --> 01:07:40,159
And I think that's something that we have to overcome

1084
01:07:40,159 --> 01:07:42,679
in liberalism itself. And Adam, I see you're going to

1085
01:07:42,719 --> 01:07:43,519
add something here.

1086
01:07:44,119 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta I gotta jump in just because I

1087
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,599
don't I don't disagree with what you guys are saying.

1088
01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:53,239
I hope you don't think I'm I'm all about neoliberalism

1089
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:58,199
and trading stock options all day and and that's all

1090
01:07:58,239 --> 01:08:02,840
that matters. I I was just listening to something today

1091
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:07,079
from one of these channels that covers people that I like,

1092
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,880
and I get crap for talking about Elon Musk all

1093
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,519
the time, but I think he's an interesting example of

1094
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:17,439
what we're talking about because just like generation sixty eight,

1095
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,880
what about generation sixty nine, where well he had a

1096
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:22,680
sixty nine Camaro, which is probably one of the most

1097
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:27,479
beautiful American made cars ever made, but also the country

1098
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,880
landed on the moon. And I have gone back and

1099
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:32,760
forth as to whether I even believe that that's a

1100
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,800
true thing, but I'm gonna just I'm just going to

1101
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,439
make a make a statement here that I think it's

1102
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:41,680
more likely than not, and even if it wasn't true,

1103
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:44,800
the fact that they did all that they did is

1104
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,880
still impressive. I mean, they built those rockets. Those rockets

1105
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:53,520
were real, and what was that? That was the Faustian spirit,

1106
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,880
I mean, that was the we're going to do. I

1107
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,520
mean I love the Kennedy speech where he talks about

1108
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:03,479
this or said, we do things not because they are easy,

1109
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,520
it is because they are hard. And I love that.

1110
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:08,279
And I know people that want to do things that

1111
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:10,920
are easy, and I don't like them. I don't hang

1112
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,239
out with people like that, and I have people very

1113
01:09:13,239 --> 01:09:14,920
close to me that I have to hear that from

1114
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,119
sometimes and it just it just kills me. But you know,

1115
01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:23,439
Musk was talking about how they're basically going to SpaceX

1116
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:29,359
is it's funny because NASA and Neil Armstrong particular actually

1117
01:09:30,039 --> 01:09:32,840
said and it Elon was asked about this because it

1118
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,680
hurt his feelings, But what do you think about Neil

1119
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:39,239
armstrong statements that SpaceX has no business doing what NASA

1120
01:09:39,239 --> 01:09:41,960
has done? And you know, Elon said, you know, that's

1121
01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:44,199
really disappointing to me. I mean, he's been a hero

1122
01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:47,399
of mine, and I think it's sad when people like

1123
01:09:47,399 --> 01:09:49,640
like crabs in a bucket have to pull down those

1124
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,880
that are actually achieving things. I didn't understand what Armstrong

1125
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:54,680
was thinking with that, and it's very disappointing to me

1126
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:59,560
as well. But I think SpaceX is actually literally trying

1127
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,640
to build the infrastructure that the US government and all

1128
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,600
the other stupid governments have been so incompetent and accomplishing.

1129
01:10:06,079 --> 01:10:10,520
He's actually building infrastructure to make this species, as he

1130
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,039
puts it. But let's face it, who's working at SpaceX.

1131
01:10:13,079 --> 01:10:15,119
It's the types that worked at NASA back in the

1132
01:10:15,399 --> 01:10:21,520
late sixties. Make this group a multiplanetary group, and I

1133
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:26,119
think that is such a great, crazy mission. And everything

1134
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:30,600
he's done with the Twitter acquisition with Tesla has just

1135
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,680
been the same spirit of just taken on really hard,

1136
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:38,079
important projects and kicking their ass. And I just am

1137
01:10:38,119 --> 01:10:40,640
so excited by that. And I've not seen that come

1138
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,439
out of any politician's mouth in that care here. I've

1139
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:47,119
not seen any of that come out of the irs

1140
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,520
Happy tax Day, by the way, I have not seen

1141
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,279
any of that come out of most of our quote

1142
01:10:52,359 --> 01:10:55,159
unquote leaders in such a long time. And we need

1143
01:10:55,199 --> 01:10:59,560
more of that. And you know, I'm sympathetic to religious

1144
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:03,680
arguments as well, like you know, not putting yourself above God.

1145
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,920
But I know a lot of religious people who also

1146
01:11:07,399 --> 01:11:10,119
like what Elon's doing, and I think there's no there's

1147
01:11:10,119 --> 01:11:12,000
no discord there. I think, you know, we should work

1148
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:12,520
together on that.

1149
01:11:13,359 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 3: You know, the most evil thing that Hannah Ardron Ever

1150
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:20,319
wrote about liberalism is the idea that the abolition of

1151
01:11:20,399 --> 01:11:24,880
great missions and to be content with, you know, your

1152
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,560
personal life and being happy with I don't know, being

1153
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:33,079
an interior designer or something. And there's something deeply disgusting

1154
01:11:33,119 --> 01:11:35,520
about that. I mean, it's one thing if you're in

1155
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:39,159
a corporate society, we're all one team. Everyone has a function,

1156
01:11:39,359 --> 01:11:42,199
and no matter how small or big you are, you're

1157
01:11:42,359 --> 01:11:47,000
defined by the greater mission. The evil liberalism is it

1158
01:11:47,079 --> 01:11:52,039
destroyed all great. It makes everyone temptible and small. And

1159
01:11:52,039 --> 01:11:54,319
that is the beautiful thing that Elon Musk is doing

1160
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:59,159
is making men and woman griggan. They're going to places

1161
01:11:59,159 --> 01:12:02,159
that man hasn't one before. It's a self overcoming mission.

1162
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,640
And the paradigm of today is not between left or right.

1163
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,640
It's between up or down. It's between people that want

1164
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:12,640
to slink to slums or people who want to conquer

1165
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,640
the stars. And I'm grateful to say and proud to

1166
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:19,039
say I'm part of the latter, not the former. And

1167
01:12:19,079 --> 01:12:21,520
I think that everyone here feels the same way as

1168
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:22,920
I do. I think so I don't want to put

1169
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:25,000
words in Pete's mouth, but I definitely have a feeling

1170
01:12:25,079 --> 01:12:26,760
he's a self overcoming Faucian man.

1171
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:27,039
Speaker 1: Right.

1172
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1173
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:32,239
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. I was interviewed by a friend

1174
01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:34,399
of mine today for almost two hours when we were

1175
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:36,359
gone over a bunch of stuff, and one of the

1176
01:12:36,399 --> 01:12:38,880
first things he asked me was he's like, okay, yeah,

1177
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:42,560
you're a libertarian. At one point you came out. You know,

1178
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I didn't coin the term post libertarian, but I started

1179
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using it and people started using it started and immediately

1180
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started using it as pejorative against me. But he asked me, so,

1181
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what do you now what? And I said, I'm a

1182
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problem solver. I said, that's what that's what the world needs.

1183
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I said, book Kelly and n El Salvador was when

1184
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he ran for Mayorbador, he was in the left. He

1185
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ran in the far left party. As for Santo. When

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he started running for president, he ran in the far

1187
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,239
left party. They kicked him out once to another party.

1188
01:13:18,279 --> 01:13:21,079
He had to do. He had to jump through hoops

1189
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just to get elected president. And what did he do?

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The first thing, He's like, we're the murder capital of

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the world. This is going to stop. And he solved

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a problem and he didn't give a fuck what anybody thought.

1193
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About it. Sorry, I cursed sometimes in the show, and

1194
01:13:35,319 --> 01:13:38,800
he he he cleaned that place. So he turned I mean,

1195
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he turned it into a place where I'm like, I'm

1196
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you know, my wife and Iron socking. Maybe we're going

1197
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,520
to go for four or five days, you know, in

1198
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the next couple of months. Yeah, I became still well

1199
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it's still cheap. You know, well it's still cheap. If

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01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:50,920
you look at you, you're like, holy crap, you can

1201
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:54,960
really the dollar goes pretty far down there. But he

1202
01:13:55,159 --> 01:13:57,479
went in there, he solved the problem. The other thing

1203
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he did was, and I don't know if I agree

1204
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,000
with it, but he's like, well there's a money problem.

1205
01:14:02,039 --> 01:14:06,199
I'm gonna adopt bitcoin. Yeah, and okay, so what is

1206
01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:10,039
he Okay, all right? The bitcoin bros want to call

1207
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him a libertarian, but he obviously doesn't care anything about

1208
01:14:13,319 --> 01:14:15,920
civil rights. He was just basically arresting anybody with a

1209
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:22,039
face tattoo? Is he you know? The authoritarians are like, well,

1210
01:14:22,079 --> 01:14:26,239
he also is adopted bitcoin. I don't care what his

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01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:32,079
ideology is. He solves problems. Give me someone who can

1212
01:14:32,159 --> 01:14:37,119
solve problems. Ideology is bullshit. Sam Francis pointed this out.

1213
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:40,720
James Burnham pointed this out. You create ideologies created in

1214
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,560
a lab. As soon as it's introduced to the public,

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01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:48,840
holes are shot in it. It doesn't exist, solve problems,

1216
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:53,760
become a become a problem solver. If you cannot solve

1217
01:14:54,319 --> 01:14:58,600
every the only politician that you should even take seriously

1218
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,760
as somebody who's like this, this is a problem, this

1219
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,760
is our biggest problem. This is how I'm gonna solve it.

1220
01:15:03,359 --> 01:15:06,079
Let me do it. That's the kind of person you

1221
01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:10,720
take seriously. Now in this we know in our system

1222
01:15:11,039 --> 01:15:12,920
how difficult that is. Well, I'm going to solve the

1223
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:16,800
immigration problem. You know that you're gonna have arrows and

1224
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,479
even bullets might be coming at you from all directions

1225
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if you want to do it. But what you if

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01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:27,399
you're not talking about solving solve the first problem, then

1227
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:29,720
go to the second problem, then go to the third problem.

1228
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But figure out what the biggest one is first. That's

1229
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what someone's ideology should be, and that is a Faustian spirit,

1230
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and then you can and after you solve the problems,

1231
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:44,399
then you could be like, Okay, what do I do? Oh?

1232
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I want to let's inhabit Mars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's next?

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Speaker 1: Great? No, Yeah, what's the next. But until you solve

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that first problem, you have to be able to solve

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that first problem. If you don't solve that first problem,

1237
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:01,319
if you don't focus in on one and fix it,

1238
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you're just you're you're just playing the game of politics

1239
01:16:05,359 --> 01:16:07,319
as it's been played since nineteen thirty three.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, Pete, holy shit, Yes, I'm sorry. I'm

1241
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:13,960
like just getting pumped from hearing you say that, because

1242
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it's precisely that there's this weird paradigm. People are stuck

1243
01:16:18,119 --> 01:16:21,119
in the mythoss of the Second World War, and it's like, dude,

1244
01:16:21,239 --> 01:16:24,720
that is like dead and guard reed, what is now?

1245
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:29,439
What's happening now? Like the considerations of our time are

1246
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:33,359
not an eck lapse, it's and those issues stem from

1247
01:16:33,399 --> 01:16:36,800
precisely what you're saying, the problems of the soul of

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01:16:37,159 --> 01:16:40,600
seeking out great challenges and building a team around it,

1249
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:44,079
building a vision. No one's doing that, aside from tearing

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01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:47,199
everyone else down so that way they can aggrandize themselves.

1251
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Let's build everyone else up, Let's make a team effort.

1252
01:16:51,079 --> 01:16:53,800
And I love hearing you say that, Pete, because that's

1253
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:57,039
exactly Especially Bukel is such an a great example because

1254
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it shows that yes, you can. You can fix you know,

1255
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,439
your shithold whole country and make it like a paradise

1256
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,640
with America and make it a paradise. It's only a

1257
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:10,960
matter of willpower and vision. I think we can give that,

1258
01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:14,479
especially if we can we stand true to our principles.

1259
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And I think one of the great things about Elon

1260
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Musk in his interview is that he stands great risk

1261
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all the time. I mean, the government is constantly now

1262
01:17:23,039 --> 01:17:28,960
litigating him under specious charges, bullshit charges. But that's what

1263
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,000
it's going to take. And that's part of life, is

1264
01:17:31,039 --> 01:17:33,039
that people want to tear you down, and you have

1265
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to conquer them for their own good to build them up.

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And one of the greatest things Bukeley does did was

1267
01:17:39,279 --> 01:17:43,479
cracked down on the lowest and most detrimental segments of

1268
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:47,560
society and rebuild from what was good upwards. And I

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completely agree with you, Pe. I want to go down

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there to myself and like help him, however I can,

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you know, in my small.

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Speaker 2: Way, I think the lessons that we can draw from

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01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:59,119
these two individuals and other people that have risen to

1274
01:17:59,199 --> 01:18:02,520
power is that it's a long game. You know, Eland

1275
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:05,039
just didn't show up. I mean, he's been doing this

1276
01:18:05,159 --> 01:18:09,840
for three four decades, bukel As. I don't know as

1277
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,520
much about him, but and he's a younger man as well,

1278
01:18:13,079 --> 01:18:15,880
and it's a smaller country and so perhaps there's a

1279
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,840
quicker path to things like that. But from what Pete

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01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:20,840
has described, it sounds like he had to go through

1281
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:22,680
some trials to get to where he is. He had

1282
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to go through the left, which is an interesting angle,

1283
01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:31,239
but it works so good for him. Hats off whatever works,

1284
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and that's uh, that's something I think a lot of people,

1285
01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:41,479
whether they're entrepreneurs or leaders or builders or whatever, I

1286
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:45,880
think they maybe they take the Hollywood montage two minutes

1287
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of the guy who goes from rags to riches, the scarface,

1288
01:18:49,039 --> 01:18:52,199
you know, like boat off with Cuba, and now he's

1289
01:18:52,239 --> 01:18:57,399
got to push it to the limit. Yeah, that's not real.

1290
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It takes a little longer than two minutes. And you

1291
01:19:01,319 --> 01:19:04,239
just got to be a grinder. And I think, you know,

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there's something to be said for charisma, of course, but

1293
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:11,319
you also gotta you gotta tell yourself you know that

1294
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that this is going to happen, and tell others as well,

1295
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:17,720
and keep that positive mindset. And if you if you

1296
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:21,720
fall into that negativity trap. It just destroys you, it

1297
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,960
destroys your team. And I think real leaders have to

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do better than that.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think something that that Thomas seven seven

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01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:34,239
seven says is we're not Jevah's witnesses. We're a vanguard.

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01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:38,880
We don't need We're not looking for numbers. We're looking

1302
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,680
for people who, you know, like the pay Pal Mafia.

1303
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:43,680
Take that. I mean, the pay Pal Mafia is a

1304
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,520
perfect example. It's just a it's just a small group

1305
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:51,600
that gets stuff done. Basically controls controls Silicon Valley or

1306
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:56,159
controlled Silicon Valley, and the ankle biterers. They you have

1307
01:19:56,239 --> 01:19:59,159
to dismiss these people. You don't need these people, the

1308
01:19:59,199 --> 01:20:02,279
people who when I say something about bou Kelly go, well,

1309
01:20:02,319 --> 01:20:04,600
you know, he kissed the wall one time and his

1310
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:08,399
wife is probably and his wife is half Sephardic. I

1311
01:20:08,399 --> 01:20:11,039
don't get I'm judging him by what he's doing.

1312
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, well what does the other guy got? I mean, like,

1313
01:20:14,279 --> 01:20:16,960
what's if you're saying he's so bad, show me something better.

1314
01:20:17,359 --> 01:20:19,239
And I'm not gonna I'm not gonna, like, you know,

1315
01:20:19,359 --> 01:20:22,039
look back one hundred years for what your model is. Like,

1316
01:20:22,239 --> 01:20:25,239
we need to get going. Now, show me some progress.

1317
01:20:26,039 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 1: I mean, how are you? How are you waiting for?

1318
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:31,039
You know? And this is what I tell people all

1319
01:20:31,079 --> 01:20:32,680
the time too, is I mean, you have to be

1320
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:35,760
insulating yourself. You have to be doing things for yourself,

1321
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,359
you know. I mean, we're we moved to where we

1322
01:20:38,399 --> 01:20:43,720
did because it's it's very quiet. It's remote. It's not

1323
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:48,520
it's not insanely remote, but it's remote. We can grow

1324
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,800
food here, we have we have friends who have chicken

1325
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:55,319
houses and all sorts of stuff. We can take care

1326
01:20:55,359 --> 01:20:58,399
of ourselves. It's a small group, a very small town,

1327
01:20:59,079 --> 01:21:03,960
very manageable, very manageable. Politically, everybody knows everyone, everyone knows

1328
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:10,039
the police. Until we can get that, you know, have

1329
01:21:10,199 --> 01:21:14,039
those people put that vanguard together, even if you're not

1330
01:21:14,119 --> 01:21:16,359
part of the vanguard, even if you're just a thought,

1331
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:19,359
you know, somebody who's there to help with ideas, Somebody

1332
01:21:19,359 --> 01:21:23,079
who has money, somebody who can I mean, I mean

1333
01:21:23,399 --> 01:21:26,920
some of these assholes like Stephen Crowder who was like

1334
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,039
crying because Dali Wire was going to pay him, what

1335
01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:33,359
fifty fifty million dollars for four years? What could we

1336
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:34,720
do with fifty million dollars?

1337
01:21:36,359 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 2: That's a great question. Actually, we we should probably figure

1338
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:43,359
that out because those are you know, again, I'll shut

1339
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:46,239
up about Elon Musk someday, but I'm always finding new things.

1340
01:21:46,279 --> 01:21:49,920
I like that he's taught me, and he one of

1341
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,399
the earliest things, Like there's a hilarious clip of him

1342
01:21:52,399 --> 01:21:54,560
when he like didn't get his hair implants, like after

1343
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:56,960
he sold like a x dot com or whatever it

1344
01:21:57,039 --> 01:22:00,880
was to PayPal, he got his first millions of McLaren

1345
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,359
and they're lowering it to like his suburban house and

1346
01:22:03,399 --> 01:22:06,359
he's still married to his first wife. But he's sitting

1347
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:10,079
there and he's like giving this really dorky interview and

1348
01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:13,000
he's like, you know, it's really easy, like in Silicon Valley.

1349
01:22:13,039 --> 01:22:14,920
If I just want to go raise ten million at

1350
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:18,199
the capital's right there, and I'm like, wow, what a mindset. Like,

1351
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:21,000
you know, if you actually have the idea and the

1352
01:22:21,079 --> 01:22:24,479
team and the leadership and the capability, you don't have

1353
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,399
to get that yourself. You just raise the money, you know,

1354
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:30,760
And that's how actually true movers and shakers think they

1355
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:33,640
use other people's money. There's like books about this, but

1356
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,239
I think that's a great question. What would we do

1357
01:22:36,359 --> 01:22:38,560
with fifty million? I don't know, because I actually haven't

1358
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,720
adopted that mindset in a practical sense. But until we

1359
01:22:42,199 --> 01:22:45,520
start thinking big, we're not going to achieve big things.

1360
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Speaker 1: Well, I started small. I read Peter til zero to

1361
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,760
one on my podcast. I read the whole thing over,

1362
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,079
I think, with seven episodes, and it's just a way

1363
01:22:55,199 --> 01:23:01,119
to get into the mind of people who think way

1364
01:23:01,159 --> 01:23:04,840
differently than we do. I think, he said in one

1365
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:07,920
of the chapters, he said that all the people who

1366
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,560
started PayPal, he said, I think the five people who

1367
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:16,359
started PayPal, four of them as teenagers, had independently of

1368
01:23:16,399 --> 01:23:23,800
each other, built bombs. Okay, so what does that mean.

1369
01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:25,880
It means these are.

1370
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 2: Outside the box.

1371
01:23:29,199 --> 01:23:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, these are these are way outside the box thinkers,

1372
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:34,560
you know. And you know what he talks about in

1373
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:38,079
that book is He's like, everybody, we've been conditioned to

1374
01:23:38,159 --> 01:23:44,159
believe that competition, competition is what what the world is

1375
01:23:44,159 --> 01:23:46,319
all about, the world of business is all about. He's like, no,

1376
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:51,079
He's like, no, monopoly is what the world is all about.

1377
01:23:51,359 --> 01:23:54,640
The monopoly is the only way that you get innovation,

1378
01:23:56,039 --> 01:23:58,520
because we don't want monopoly, you know. He and he

1379
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:03,079
downplays us the whole through the book. We don't want

1380
01:24:03,119 --> 01:24:07,479
to have the kind of monopoly that is like cronyism,

1381
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:10,640
where you're lobbying the government to be the only one

1382
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:14,119
in existence. No, you want to create something that is

1383
01:24:14,199 --> 01:24:19,880
so groundbreaking, that's so outside the box that you make

1384
01:24:20,079 --> 01:24:23,279
billions off of it. But in the process of making

1385
01:24:23,319 --> 01:24:27,359
billions off of it, you've changed humanity. You've just you've

1386
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:28,640
improved humanity.

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Speaker 2: That's where the breakout occurs. It's it's when you've created

1388
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:33,760
that new It's it's what the title of the book is.

1389
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,760
It's zero to one as opposed to one to a

1390
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,479
million or something. I mean, anything times zero is zero.

1391
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:41,479
So if you can, if you could like you know,

1392
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:45,359
the primordial Big Bang or God creating the universe, that's

1393
01:24:45,359 --> 01:24:49,000
what he's talking about, doing something that groundbreaking. There's another

1394
01:24:49,039 --> 01:24:52,319
book called uh, I think it's Blue Ocean Strategy. I

1395
01:24:52,359 --> 01:24:54,119
haven't actually read it, but it seems like a really

1396
01:24:54,159 --> 01:24:56,960
simple idea, so I didn't bother but the concept was

1397
01:24:57,399 --> 01:25:01,119
so there's these big title blooms that happened in the ocean,

1398
01:25:01,319 --> 01:25:04,319
and it's basically a bunch of like planktin and stuffed

1399
01:25:04,319 --> 01:25:07,399
whales eat that they just they go nuts. They breed

1400
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:12,000
like crazy, and they choke off all the oxygen to

1401
01:25:12,039 --> 01:25:14,800
the point where everything is just it just dies. At

1402
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,399
a certain point they kind of reach that Multhusiam limit.

1403
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:21,079
Then everything just starts collapsing. But you don't want to

1404
01:25:21,119 --> 01:25:22,600
be in the middle of that. If you want to

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stand out, you want to go where the water is blue.

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That's kind of the thesis of the book. So you

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01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:31,479
kind of want to think tangentially. You know, they all

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01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,760
want you to kind of go to the London In

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01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,119
School of Economics or Harvard or whatever and played by

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01:25:36,119 --> 01:25:39,199
the stupid rules that are kind of rigged against you.

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You're not going to get really far with You might

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01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:43,880
you might become a millionaire or something, but you're never

1413
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:47,359
gonna become a billionaire by sort of getting good grades.

1414
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:49,039
You have to. I mean, most of these guys dropped

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01:25:49,039 --> 01:25:52,800
out of school. So I think that's that's that's a

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01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:56,079
big lesson. It's like, okay, you can do okay, but

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01:25:56,319 --> 01:25:59,439
if you really want to change the world. I forget

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01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:04,039
the quote. It's it's sort of like nothing nothing ever.

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01:26:04,199 --> 01:26:05,640
I think it was like a feminist quote. It's like

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01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:08,720
nothing ever changed by like reasonable women or something. So

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01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,199
all the all the change is like unreasonable women. You

1422
01:26:11,199 --> 01:26:13,199
could say the same thing about men. It's like you

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01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:17,600
have to you have to think kind of tangentially, almost irrationally,

1424
01:26:18,239 --> 01:26:22,880
that these crazy things are possible. And I would just say,

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01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:25,640
you know, make sure you know you're honest with yourself

1426
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,079
about what you're accomplishing, and if it's not working, try

1427
01:26:28,119 --> 01:26:31,119
something else. But you know that there is to me

1428
01:26:31,279 --> 01:26:37,119
at least some some value in being realistic. But you

1429
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:39,279
you need to team and you need to inspire people.

1430
01:26:39,319 --> 01:26:40,960
And I think that's that's a big lesson here, is

1431
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,840
like you need to have something really really impressive and exciting.

1432
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:47,560
Speaker 1: I want to apologize to Lentce. I was on a

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01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:50,199
different screen than he dropped out and he was out

1434
01:26:50,239 --> 01:26:51,079
of there for a while.

1435
01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:55,520
Speaker 3: So, yeah, they just attacked me. Dude, they attacked me.

1436
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:56,479
It's okay, I'm back.

1437
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:00,520
Speaker 1: Do you have any Do you have anything so that

1438
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:01,439
even less.

1439
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,319
Speaker 3: I think, you know, like I think you guys are

1440
01:27:04,319 --> 01:27:07,880
spot on, and it doesn't just extend to the world

1441
01:27:08,039 --> 01:27:11,920
of I guess. Of course, innovation extends in many different

1442
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,960
directions and everyone has their specific skill set. I think

1443
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,159
the most important thing that you guys pointed out is

1444
01:27:17,239 --> 01:27:20,840
to seek opptunities wherever they may be, and making the

1445
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:24,520
most of it, exploiting it. And I think you're absolutely right.

1446
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,920
I think Adam is absolutely right. I think the PayPal

1447
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:33,920
mafia is incredibly inspiring precisely because they were able to

1448
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:37,159
out maneuver the crony cap you know, establishment, as it

1449
01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:41,119
had been before, with just something completely out of the box,

1450
01:27:41,159 --> 01:27:45,199
as you'd said, and they have real world effects. I mean,

1451
01:27:45,199 --> 01:27:49,520
look at Elon Musk. He owns X major social media network,

1452
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:53,880
he owns Tesla, He's going to Mars, He's doing multiple things,

1453
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,640
and that's because he pursued. I mean, do you think

1454
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,039
he had fun with PayPal? Do you think that's interesting

1455
01:27:59,079 --> 01:28:01,479
to him now? I think he understood that it was

1456
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:05,039
as a stepping stone to something greater, to going to Mars,

1457
01:28:05,159 --> 01:28:07,680
and I'm absolutely sure that's how he feels about Tesla

1458
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:10,399
and everything else. So it's absolutely great and it's a

1459
01:28:10,399 --> 01:28:12,880
great example for our own selves to set for our

1460
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:17,039
own selves for our own success. And more importantly, probably

1461
01:28:21,319 --> 01:28:30,960
like liver circles, uh, I think the thing that people

1462
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:34,840
he missed because they're always so focused on their own song,

1463
01:28:37,039 --> 01:28:42,399
personal wealth and so on. More.

1464
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:50,119
Speaker 1: All right, ll that's your roboting like crazy. So now

1465
01:28:50,199 --> 01:28:52,920
it's you know, you're roboting like crazy. But all right,

1466
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:54,800
let's wrap this up because I've been sitting on my

1467
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:57,760
butt in front of the screen for now going on

1468
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:00,479
in a little over three hours today. So I'll give

1469
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:02,359
I'll give you guys to Florida to say something and

1470
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:07,920
hopefully Lance can uh not sell Space Odyssey. But Adam

1471
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:09,079
go ahead first, well.

1472
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:11,600
Speaker 2: Just just glibly, I want all the listeners to know

1473
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:14,159
that any support you give to Pete will be going

1474
01:29:14,199 --> 01:29:17,239
towards this purchase of a standing desk. I think that's

1475
01:29:17,279 --> 01:29:19,439
that's a great thing. As we all reach our middle age,

1476
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,680
we need to we need to be getting good posture.

1477
01:29:23,199 --> 01:29:26,520
So hope you're not sitting too much today. But in

1478
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:29,920
any case, yeah, I think the team is absolutely critical.

1479
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,600
I think that's sort of what Lance was trying to

1480
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:38,119
hit upon another Musk thing, and I hopefully we'll stop.

1481
01:29:38,199 --> 01:29:42,680
But he's interesting also because he has the guts and Pete,

1482
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:44,439
we actually talked about this when you came on our

1483
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:49,640
show a couple episodes ago, where Musk is willing to

1484
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,479
fire people and and lay off people and that that's

1485
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:55,039
that's hard. I mean, it's really hard. It's not something

1486
01:29:55,079 --> 01:29:57,119
I'm comfortable doing. You know, I have I've had to

1487
01:29:57,159 --> 01:30:00,079
do it actually, but it really sucks. But it's a

1488
01:30:00,119 --> 01:30:04,159
skill because you need to know what your culture. We're

1489
01:30:04,159 --> 01:30:06,520
talking about culture, right, and a company culture or a

1490
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:09,199
government culture or a nation's culture. You need to know

1491
01:30:09,239 --> 01:30:11,640
what that culture stands for. And if you have people

1492
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:15,680
to come in that actually are problematic, they need to

1493
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:17,199
go and it. You know, you need to be fair

1494
01:30:17,239 --> 01:30:19,640
about it, and you need to set performance goals and

1495
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:25,159
measurements that can be objective, but you can quickly murder

1496
01:30:25,199 --> 01:30:27,840
a company with bad culture. You don't have to look

1497
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:30,399
any further than Boeing and what's going on with that place.

1498
01:30:31,039 --> 01:30:34,600
They have a bad culture. And I think Musk recognizes that.

1499
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:37,960
And what he did at x Twitter when he bought it.

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01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:39,600
The first thing he did was he laid off eighty

1501
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:43,840
percent of the employees. And guess what the company did.

1502
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:47,800
Find it's actually doing better now. So do the same

1503
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:51,079
thing for the US government. If and I forgot what

1504
01:30:51,079 --> 01:30:58,479
that thing was called pete A Project twenty there you go. Yeah,

1505
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:00,920
that is a good idea And it was sort of

1506
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:06,760
what Vivek Ramaswami was pushing and that we need to

1507
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:10,720
get rid of most of these people because frankly, they're useless,

1508
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:14,399
and secondly, they're actually worse than useless. They're problematic, and

1509
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:21,159
they're obstructionist, their counter revolutionary in the communist terminology. So

1510
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:23,800
I think that's a big lesson that I think if

1511
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:26,199
we ever get in positions of power, we need to

1512
01:31:26,239 --> 01:31:29,439
take it seriously, and take culture seriously, and take our

1513
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:34,439
team seriously, and reward those that do take it seriously

1514
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:38,439
and do a good job, and get rid of the

1515
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:41,800
people that are not doing that, because in effect, you're

1516
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:46,920
poisoning the well for those that are instrumental and caring

1517
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:51,720
for that mission by keeping the people that are are negative,

1518
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:55,039
are problematic, are not willing to learn, are not willing

1519
01:31:55,079 --> 01:31:59,640
to become part of that project. They are extremely detrimental.

1520
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:00,800
And I think that's another lesson.

1521
01:32:03,399 --> 01:32:05,600
Speaker 3: Yes, well, I just want to say thank you for

1522
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:07,319
having me on p I don't want to carry on

1523
01:32:07,359 --> 01:32:09,439
too long because I don't want to lose connection again.

1524
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:10,840
But I just want to say thank you and thank

1525
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:11,600
you Adam.

1526
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:15,279
Speaker 1: Of course, to your plug. Tell people where they can

1527
01:32:15,319 --> 01:32:16,680
find your work. LANs.

1528
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:19,880
Speaker 3: Just go ahead and you can find me on Twitter

1529
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:23,479
at Lance Legion and you can also go to DVX

1530
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:26,640
Publishing Company dot com. You can find all the information there.

1531
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:27,880
I just wrote a book.

1532
01:32:28,039 --> 01:32:28,560
Speaker 1: Check it out.

1533
01:32:29,359 --> 01:32:31,039
Speaker 3: But again, thank you so much.

1534
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 1: No problem at all, Adam plug.

1535
01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:40,079
Speaker 2: Mith twenty c dot com, same thing on Twitter. Also,

1536
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:46,560
our writing companion site is the Americansun dot substack dot com.

1537
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:48,760
We just moved over there, so it's on substack. But

1538
01:32:49,119 --> 01:32:53,880
the American Son is Hank my co host project and

1539
01:32:54,119 --> 01:32:57,319
Ryan Landry actually used to do a lot there. He's

1540
01:32:57,319 --> 01:33:00,600
still involved as well, but it's a growing site. And yeah,

1541
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,800
check us out on Mith twenty c or the American Son.

1542
01:33:05,159 --> 01:33:08,840
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, gentlemen, thank you very much. Thank you,