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Speaker 1: In the late fall early winter of nineteen eighty one.

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The day before Thanksgiving is when this incident took place.

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Deer season had opened, and I looked forward to deer

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hunting at every opportunity. I was out of school for

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the Thanksgiving break and putting together plans to be able

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to hunt as much as possible. This was a daunting

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task as I was too young to drive and had

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to get with some friends in order to go. Two

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days before Thanksgiving, two of my older brother's friends dropped

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by my house and they were hanging out. They invited

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my brother to go hunting, but he couldn't go because

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of work, so they invited me. I was excited, beyond

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belief that they were going to let me go. I

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was up at three point thirty am the next morning

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and looking out the front door, waiting anxiously. At around

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four am, as promised, the men and drove up. I

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loaded up and we were on the way. It took

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probably forty five minutes to arrive at the location. The

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place we parked was a washed out low water bridge. Roy,

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the man driving, had a four wheel drive, but the

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washout was too much for it. Roy and Donnie had

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gotten permission from the landowner, who owned a couple of

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hundred acres, to park there and travel by foot on

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across his properties to some National forest land on the

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backside of his place. They had hunted back there several

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times before and had a good relationship with the owner.

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We grabbed our things and began the walk. I had

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no idea how far it would be nor where we

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would actually be hunting. It was extremely cold that morning,

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and the light wind cut through me as we followed

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the old logging road. Finally, Donnie stopped and told me

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how to get to the place where he wanted me

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to hunt. He told me he would meet me back

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at this spot at nine point thirty. I nodded and

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continued on. I came to an open food plot that

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was described to me and stopped for a minute at

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the edge. It was still well before daylight, and I

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decided to turn off my flashlight to proceed across the field.

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I wanted to do my best to keep from spooking

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any deer that may have been in their feeding. I

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got to the middle of the field and a feeling

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of being watched came over me. I stopped and stood

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there for a couple of minutes, but the feeling didn't

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go away. I turned on my light and scanned the field,

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but I saw and heard nothing. The wind had died

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down and there was absolutely dead calm. It was as

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quiet as a church. I overcame my nervousness and continued

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on and reached the far side of the woodline. The

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sky had started showing pink in the horizon and the

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gray hue of dawn was lingering. I eased on a

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pretty good ways and found a low spot that was dry,

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but could tell it only held water. It was light

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enough to see thirty or forty yards by. Now I

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noticed several scrapes and rubs that were fresh littered about.

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I knew a buck or several bucks must be traveling

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through here. I was excited, to say the least. There

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was frost on the ground that morning, and I need

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to mention that it was near impossible to walk through

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the oak leaf litter that covered the ground without making noise.

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The dry leaves, along with the frost on top of them,

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made you sound like a small vehicle moving through them,

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even walking slow and taking your time. I found a

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white oak tree that was whiter than my shoulder, with

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scratched all the leaves away so I could sit down

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and shift around without making noise. I leaned back and

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got comfortable and settled into wait. I scanned the woods,

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and nothing really happened until around eight am. I had

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noticed that it was really still that morning, and also

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had not seen any wildlife. No squirrels, no birds, nothing

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that in itself was very unusual. It was really strange.

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I caught movement about seventy or so yards away up

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one of the little finger ridges, and finally made out

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a deer slipping down towards the bottom. I then made

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out the white tipped horns of a nice butt. He

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continued slowly along and stopped cold in his tracks, still

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out of range of my shotgun. My heart skipped a

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beat as the deer stood motionless, looking in my direction

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for what seemed like several minutes. He never turned and ran,

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and he eased backwards without looking away from my direction.

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I had never seen a deer walk backwards in that

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manner before or since this event. He took five or

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six steps back, and in a blink whirled and left,

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like he was shot out of a cannon. I sat

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there in disbelieve, trying to figure out what had happened.

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I had not so much as blinked, so I know

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he never saw me. A slight breeze could be felt

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on my left cheek, and that told me that he

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could not have winded me. I was sitting there trying

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to figure out what had just happened. That's when I

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heard the first breathing sound. It was barely audible at first,

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but began to increase in volume. At first I thought

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it was me due to the excitement, I held my breath,

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but the sound did not stop. By now it was

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very loud and very close. It was heavy and raspy.

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I slowly looked around as far as I could to

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my left, but the tree was too wide for me

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to see around. I then looked down and saw my shadow,

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the tree shadow, and a third massive shadow standing behind

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the tree. I jumped to my feet and away from

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the tree, and there before me was a hair covered

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upright creature. He stood seven to seven and a half

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feet tall and was covered with pine straw colored hair

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that was five to six inches long. He was slender

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and not very bulky. The only part of his body

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that had no hair was his face. It was flat

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for the most part, and he had no neck. From

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what I could see, his forehead was large and his

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eyes were set back. I saw no white in them,

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just cold black. His nose turned up slightly and was

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not large either. He showed no teeth, and his mouth

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was very wide with thin lips. His skin was gray

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in color, and you could actually see it through his hair.

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His arms hung straight down by his side and appeared

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extremely long, hanging below his knees by several inches. His

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hands had hair on the backside, but his inside part

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of his hands were grayish. Also, his fingers appeared to

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be very long and looked like discolored fingernails, not claws.

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He had a slight, stooped forward posture. I was scared

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beyond belief. I wanted to run, but the creature was

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between me and where I wanted to go. I still

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cannot believe this to this day. Why I did not

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shoot him at point blank range. The thought never crossed

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my mind. I dropped my gun and ran as fast

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as I could, swinging a wide away from him. Thinking back,

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he could have caught me easily. I'm sure he never

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made a sound and never posed a threat the whole time.

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I think back. How I never heard that thing moving

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through the leaf litter, how stealthy it was. Had I

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not heard the breathing, I would have never heard him

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at all. I hit the clearing in full gate, shouting

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and calling for Donnie the whole way. He appeared and

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was afraid something had happened to me. He grabbed me

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and I tried to recount the story. He did not

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believe me at first, and I can understand that. We

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walked in silence back out and called for Roy where

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we had parted earlier. Finally Roy appeared. After telling him

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what had happened, he came to the conclusion that I

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had seen a bear. I told him that was no bear.

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He noticed I did not have my gun. When I

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told him where I dropped it, he said, we need

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to go get it. I thought going back to sitting,

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and my gun was where I had dropped it. While

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I was getting it, they looked down at the ground

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where I told them the thing was standing, pressed down

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in the leaves. You could plainly see the impressions where

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it had been standing. He could also see that the

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creature turned and walked towards the creek. I did not

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want to, but the men insisted following the tracks for

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a bit. We made it to the creek bank and

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it was a steep drop off six or eight feet.

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We could see where something slid down, and then we

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saw very good tracks in the sand where the thing

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had crossed. The tracks were fifteen to sixteen inches long

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and about eight inches wide. It had three toes, not five.

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We saw four good tracks and they were about four

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feet in stride. Roy and Donnie both said let's get

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out of here. There was very little said on the

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walk out, in complete silence on the ride home. We

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never spoke about it again, and I have never returned

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there to this day. Donnie is no longer living, and

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Roy moved away and I have not spoken to him

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in twenty years. This story is one hundred percent true,

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and I have only told a few people about this.

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I know most people will call it mistaken identity or

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say that I made this up, but I know what

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I saw that day, and all I can tell you

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is these things are one hundred percent real.

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Speaker 2: I've always loved the outdoors growing up in Indiana. I

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seized every opportunity I could to hunt and spend time

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in the woods. Now that I live in Utah. I

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have the added pleasure of the mountains and elk hunting.

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It is where I'm the happiest in what I enjoy

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the most. Often when I'm in the woods in Utah

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have experienced strange things. I've always believed in Bigfoot, but

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while I'm up in the mountains, I'm always quick to

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bury the feelings and push any negative faults to the

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back of my mind to stave off the fear that

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might keep me from returning to my beloved wilderness. That

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doesn't mean that I don't listen to my inner gut.

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If it's telling me to avoid something, that's what I do.

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With the outbreak of COVID nineteen, Utah has experienced a

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huge increase in sales of campers and side by sides.

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I guess this is one of the few things that

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people can do these days, and everyone seems to be

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doing it. I hunt a remote place in northern Utah

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that can be best described as the middle of nowhere.

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The dirt road to this location goes back several miles

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into the pure wilderness. Before the COVID scare. You might

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find one person camping along this road on a summer weekend,

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but usually there was no one. There are a few

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inlets along this road where hunters can camp during elk

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or deer season. They are the kind of level spots

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where a hunter might pull off and think this is

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good enough. However, few people would ever attempt or recreational

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camping in places like these. They're not campgrounds or anything

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even remotely close. The entire area is nothing but remote forest.

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In July of twenty twenty, I brought my travel trailer up,

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hoping to find one of those few spots big enough

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to make it work. I left early in the morning

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in an attempt to be the first person there. Friends

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have reported that people are trying to recreational camp up

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there now because of all the traditional campgrounds are full.

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When I arrived, I was shocked at the number of people.

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There were campers and tents everywhere. It was worse than

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any hunting season I've ever seen. I couldn't believe how

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many people were camping in the middle of nowhere. And

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I managed to find a spot though, and I set

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up my camp. Afterwards, we me and my wife and

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our kids hit the trail with our ATVs and had

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a great time. As night fell, we cooked dinner and

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sat around the fire, talking with our kids and watching

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the logs slowly dissolved to ash and smoke against the

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dark backdrop of the surrounding forest. Eventually, we got the

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kids into bed and began cleaning up the campsite. At

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eleven thirty PM, I was putting out the fire as

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my wife was heading up the steps in our travel trailer,

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when at that exact moment, we heard a loud, screaming

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growl from six hundred yards away. It was so loud

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and far away, while at the same time so close,

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and I recognize that screen. I'd heard it on a

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number of YouTube channels, but I never dreamt I'd be

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hearing it for myself. My wife, who had gone inside

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where the air conditioner was blowing, didn't hear it. I

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quickly went in and locked the door and grabbed both

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of the handguns I had brought with me and had

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them ready to go. My wife kept asking me what

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was wrong, but I told her not to worry about it.

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Telling someone not to worry only makes them worry more, though,

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so I finally told her that we would talk about

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it in the morning, and thankfully, nothing happened that night,

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and I'm sure Bigfoot is not happy with the big

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influx of people coming into his domain. It used to

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happen only during hunting season, but now it's all summer long.

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It makes me feel kind of bad for them.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: The next morning, after breakfast, we went back to writing

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the ATVs. Not far down the road from our camp,

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some people had been camping in tents the day before.

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That morning, I was surprised to see all three tenths abandoned.

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Those campers with no ac or walls to mask the

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sound must have gotten the fright of their lives from

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the loud screams of the night before. And as for us,

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we had a great trip. That scream was the only

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thing we saw or heard the entire weekend. And now

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he gets into his theories, and this is interesting, It's

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interesting and relevant. I have a theory on what Bigfoot is.

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The Bible tells us plain as day, and no, I

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do not think they are Nephelum, as so many people

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have suggested. Bigfoot is Cain and his descendants. Everyone knows

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that Cain was the first person to ever commit the

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sin of murder, but he's also the first who turned

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his back on the Lord. He was a son of

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Adam and Eve. And I think the Bible clearly lays

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out the curse of Cain as being bigfoot. All right.

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Here a couple verses from Genesis that describe Cain's punishment.

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And Cain talked with Abel, his brother, And it came

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to pass when they were in the field, that Cain

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rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. And

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the Lord said, unto Cain, where is Abel thy brother?

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And he said, I don't know, am I my brother's keeper?

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And he said, what hast thou done? The voice of

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thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. And

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now art thou cursed from the earth which hath opened

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her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand.

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When thou tellest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield

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unto thee her strength. A fugitive and a vagabond, thou

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shalt be on this earth. And Cain said, unto the Lord,

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my punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold Thou's

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driven me out this day from the face of the earth,

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and from thy face shall I be hid. And I

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shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth.

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And it shall come to pass that every one that

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findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore,

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whosoever slayeth Cain, the vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.

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And the Lord said, a mark upon Cain, lest any

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finding him should try to kill him. Genesis, chapter four,

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verses eight through fifteen. Cain's punishment was that he and

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his posterity are cursed, as the scripture says, a mark

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is placed upon him and his posterity there cursed to

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roam the earth, is a fugitive and a vagabond. This

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also states that they won't be successful in raising crops

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as part of the curse, which is why they don't,

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even though I'm sure they are intelligent enough. Can you

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find anything more suitable or descriptive of a life of

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a bigfoot? The Lord also hence in verse five fifteen,

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that he will make it hard for man to find him,

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et cetera. Finally, he says that his description is such

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that if anyone sees him, they will be scared and

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want to kill him. And now he goes on to

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give another account from the eighteen hundreds. He writes, the

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following account comes from the early eighteen hundreds. It is

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from a man named David Patten, in which one claims

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to be came quote. I was riding along the road

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on my mule. Suddenly I noticed a very strange personage

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walking beside me. His head was about even with my

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shoulders as I sat in my saddle. He wore no clothing,

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but was covered with hair. His skin was very dark.

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I asked him where he dwelt, and he replied that

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he had no home, that he was a wanderer in

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the earth and traveled to and fro. He said he

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was very miserable creature, and that he had earnestly sought

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death during his sojourn upon the earth, but that he

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could not die, and his mission was to destroy the

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souls of men. About the time he expressed himself, thus

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I rebuked him in the name of the Lord Jesus

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Christ and by virtue of the Holy Priesthood, and I

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commanded him to go hence, and he immediately departed out

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of my sight. Cain's curse was to live till the

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end of time to pay for what he had done.

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I will say that I don't think that is the

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fate of his offspring. God is just and in my opinion,

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his descendants have the mark or the genetics of Cain,

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but they live and die as we do. Also, I

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think his posterity are mostly good with very few bad,

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just like us humans. I think the Lord will judge

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them as he does us. I offer one last side

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note as further proof. There was a show on the

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History Channel wherein a group of guys went up to

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a remote lake in Canada where there was a lot

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of bigfoot activity. At this cabin, they put down bearboards

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under the windows and the doors. Baarboards are essentially a

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piece of ply of wood with nails sticking up through them.

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If a bear steps on the nails, it is discouraged

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from hanging around. On the bearboards set out by these men,

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they found blood and hair. They were able to do

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a DNA analysis of it, and to their surprise, they

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were told the DNA was almost human, but slightly different.

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The scientists went on to say that it was almost

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as if the DNA was from a cursed human. It

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was closer to any human than anything they'd seen, but

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slightly changed. Well, those are my thoughts, and I think

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of all the theories, this one makes the most sense.