1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Imagine the crisp, thin air of a late February morning 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:06,599 in Albuquerque, New Mexico. 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,759 Speaker 2: Right right at the base of the mountains, exactly. 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: The Sandy Mountains. The jagged peaks are looming in the distance, 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,720 casting these long, sharp shadows over quiet suburban streets. 6 00:00:15,839 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 2: It's a very picturesque, quiet place. 7 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: It really is. And you know, a sixty eight year 8 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,320 old man steps out of his home. He is incredibly fit, 9 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:29,239 mentally sharp, an avid trail runner who literally just crushed 10 00:00:29,239 --> 00:00:31,600 a sixty mile bicycle ride the previous weekend. 11 00:00:31,719 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 2: Sixty I mean that's not a casual Sunday ride, No. 12 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,759 Speaker 1: Not at all. But this isn't just any local retiree 13 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,840 heading out for a morning stroll, right, This is a 14 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,200 highly decorated retired Air Force major general. 15 00:00:43,119 --> 00:00:46,079 Speaker 2: A man who honestly held the keys to the kingdom. 16 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, a man who once controlled a two billion dollar budget, 17 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,359 a guy who oversaw America's most intensely classified space and 18 00:00:52,439 --> 00:00:55,600 weapons systems. He steps out of his house and well, 19 00:00:55,719 --> 00:00:59,000 he simply vanishes into thin air, just gone, completely gone, 20 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,960 no trace, no clear direction of travel, just a quiet 21 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,079 suburban street and a terrifying, gaping void where one of 22 00:01:07,079 --> 00:01:09,920 the most knowledgeable men in the United States military used 23 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:11,959 to be welcome to thrilling threads. 24 00:01:12,079 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: Glad to be here for this one. It's a wild case, 25 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:14,519 it really is. 26 00:01:15,239 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: Today we are unpacking the truly baffling disappearance of Major 27 00:01:18,719 --> 00:01:22,439 General William Neil McCasland. And just so you know, we're 28 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,719 drawing our facts directly from a really comprehensive video transcript 29 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,640 published on the News Nation YouTube. 30 00:01:28,359 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: Channel, right, the one titled missing UFO Expert Retired Air 31 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,319 Force General search continues backscroll. 32 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,879 Speaker 1: That's the one. We're going to examine, the bizarre physical clues, 33 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,079 the top secret Pentagon programs, the whispered historical connections to 34 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,200 the nineteen forty seven Roswell crash, and like this frantic 35 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,079 multi agency search that is strangely quiet on the public 36 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:49,719 relations front. 37 00:01:49,799 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: To share volume of anomalies in this single disappearance is staggering. 38 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: Obviously, staggering is the right word. We aren't just looking 39 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,280 at a missing person's case here. 40 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: No, definitely not. We are looking at an event that 41 00:01:59,599 --> 00:02:04,599 sits right at the intersection of national security, advanced military technology, 42 00:02:05,079 --> 00:02:08,319 and well some of the most enduring mysteries of the 43 00:02:08,319 --> 00:02:11,639 modern age. Yeah, because when you introduce the acronym UFO 44 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,840 into any missing person's case, the signal to noise ratio 45 00:02:16,159 --> 00:02:17,759 just drops dramatic. 46 00:02:17,879 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely gets so money, right. 47 00:02:20,199 --> 00:02:23,199 Speaker 2: So our goal today for you listening is to really 48 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,960 sift through that noise. We need to look at the 49 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,240 very grounded implications for national security. 50 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,719 Speaker 1: And examine what happens mechanically when a man whose brain 51 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,039 holds the nation's darkest secrets suddenly just disappears off the board. 52 00:02:36,159 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: Exactly because you really have to understand who Major General 53 00:02:39,159 --> 00:02:40,360 mcaslin actually is. 54 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,039 Speaker 1: Right, because his resume is essentially the beating heart of 55 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,400 his entire mystery. It is according to the News Nation source, 56 00:02:46,439 --> 00:02:49,319 up until twenty thirteen, General mcaslin was the commander of 57 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,439 the Air Force Research Laboratory, or the AFRL, which is huge, massive. 58 00:02:53,759 --> 00:02:56,840 We are talking about the organization directly responsible for advanced 59 00:02:56,879 --> 00:03:02,240 military technology, bleeding edge science, highly classified space systems, all 60 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:02,560 of it. 61 00:03:02,719 --> 00:03:05,039 Speaker 2: And he worked on special programs at the Pentagon too. 62 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. The source explicitly notes that these were projects so classified, 63 00:03:10,199 --> 00:03:14,039 so deeply buried that many high ranking officials inside the 64 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,800 United States government never even got to see them. 65 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: Most elected officials wouldn't even know the acronyms for these programs. 66 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this because to me, you look at 67 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,080 this resume and I'm instantly thinking of the director of 68 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,520 a real life Men in Black agency. 69 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's literally what it sounds like, right, but stripped of. 70 00:03:33,039 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: The Hollywood exaggeration. What does managing a two billion dollar 71 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,840 black budget actually entail on a day to day basis? 72 00:03:40,919 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the sheer bureaucratic and structural isolation 73 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,039 required to manage that kind of portfolio. 74 00:03:47,439 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: Like just the logistics of keeping a secret that big. 75 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: Exactly. To understand Mchasm's reality, you have to understand special 76 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,639 Access programs or SAPs. 77 00:03:55,879 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: SAPs. 78 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, in the world of intelligence and military defense, a 79 00:03:59,159 --> 00:04:02,039 standard TOPS secret clearance is just the baseline. 80 00:04:02,039 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: Wow, just the baseline. 81 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's merely the entry ticket that says, you know, 82 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,599 the government trusts you not to commit treason. Above that 83 00:04:10,199 --> 00:04:13,159 information is fiercely compartmentalized, So. 84 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,639 Speaker 1: You don't just get to see everything once you. 85 00:04:14,599 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 2: Have a badge, not at all. You only get access 86 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,439 to a specific program if you have a verified, absolute 87 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:25,399 need to know. And within SAPs there are further divisions. Likewise, well, 88 00:04:25,519 --> 00:04:29,360 there are acknowledged SAPs, where the existence of the program 89 00:04:29,399 --> 00:04:31,399 is known, but the details are classified. 90 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,639 Speaker 1: Okay, so people know it exists, just not what it does. Right. 91 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 2: Then there are unacknowledged SAPs or usaps. 92 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,199 Speaker 1: So no one even knows those exists exactly. 93 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 2: The very existence is a closely guarded secret. And at 94 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,839 the very top there are waved usaps. 95 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,319 Speaker 1: Waved usaps. 96 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, these are so sensitive that they are exempt from 97 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,199 standard congressional reporting requirements, like only a handful of committee 98 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,879 chairs are ever briefed, often just verbally. 99 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,399 Speaker 1: With verbally no paper trail. 100 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 2: Basically none. And General mcaslin wasn't just read into a 101 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,160 few of these programs. As the commander of the AFRL 102 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,560 and a former director of Special Programs inside the Pentagon, 103 00:05:09,879 --> 00:05:12,680 he was the architect and the overseer of many of them. 104 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: That is wild. 105 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: He was managing a two billion dollar budget dedicated strictly 106 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,639 to things the public does not know exist, things like 107 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:25,720 what well, whether that is directed energy weapons, hypersonic glide vehicles, 108 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:28,360 or advanced satellite surveillance architectures. 109 00:05:28,439 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: I mean two billion dollars funneled into projects that legally 110 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,000 don't exist to the public eye. 111 00:05:34,079 --> 00:05:35,759 Speaker 2: It's a massive responsibility. 112 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,959 Speaker 1: And here is the kicker, the detail that sends this 113 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:40,639 whole story into overdrive. 114 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 2: A location. 115 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,319 Speaker 1: The location, the Air Force Research Laboratory is based at 116 00:05:45,399 --> 00:05:47,920 Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. 117 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:49,079 Speaker 2: Right Patterson. 118 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,199 Speaker 1: Yeah. If you look at the lore and the documented 119 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,920 history of the American military, Right Patterson isn't just another base. 120 00:05:56,079 --> 00:05:57,079 Speaker 2: No, it's legendary. 121 00:05:57,399 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: Historically, it is intrinsically linked to Project Blue Book, which 122 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:05,040 was the US military's official decades long investigation into UFO 123 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,519 sightings starting in the nineteen fifties and for generations, Wright 124 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,279 Patterson has been rumored to be the absolute repository, the 125 00:06:13,399 --> 00:06:17,279 literal storage facility for exotic materials. 126 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: Materials allegedly recovered from the nineteen forty seven Roswell incident. 127 00:06:20,519 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: Exactly, you take a guy who commands that base and 128 00:06:24,399 --> 00:06:26,279 you put him out in the civilian world. 129 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 2: It's a huge liability. 130 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:29,879 Speaker 1: Think about what you would do if you were holding 131 00:06:29,959 --> 00:06:32,360 secrets that could shift global power. 132 00:06:32,519 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: You'd be paranoid. 133 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: You wouldn't just retire to plant roses. You would be 134 00:06:36,399 --> 00:06:39,680 hyper aware of your surroundings every second of the day. 135 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,199 Speaker 2: The psychological burden of carrying that kind of knowledge is immense. 136 00:06:44,399 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: It has to be exhausting. 137 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 2: It is when you possess that level of classified information, 138 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,199 compartmentalization becomes your entire personality. 139 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,439 Speaker 1: Oh, that makes sense. You can't ever really turn it off. 140 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,399 Speaker 2: You can't. You are trained to guard your thoughts, to 141 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,199 monitor your surroundings, to assume you are a high value 142 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,959 target at all times. Intelligence officials actually refer to this 143 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,560 as having a god's eye view of US strategic capabilities. 144 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:09,639 Speaker 1: A god's eye view. 145 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, McCaslin knows what our satellites can see. He knows 146 00:07:12,959 --> 00:07:16,920 the exact material composition of our newest stealth platforms. 147 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:17,759 Speaker 1: He knows everything. 148 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,759 Speaker 2: He knows exactly how far ahead of our adversaries we 149 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:25,439 truly are, or perhaps more terrifyingly, how far behind we 150 00:07:25,519 --> 00:07:26,839 might be in certain sectors. 151 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:31,079 Speaker 1: Wow, I hadn't thought about that, knowing our weaknesses exactly. 152 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: The human brain is not naturally designed to hold a 153 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:40,160 vast repository of lethal secrets while simultaneously trying to reintegrate 154 00:07:40,199 --> 00:07:42,759 into mundane suburban life. 155 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: No, it really isn't. You're basically a walking, breathing vault 156 00:07:46,439 --> 00:07:48,040 of national security. 157 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: A vault that just went completely missing, Which. 158 00:07:49,879 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: Makes his disappearance on February twenty seventh, near the Sandia Mountains. 159 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:54,240 So incredibly jarring. 160 00:07:54,439 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, the details of the day he vanished are just bizarre. 161 00:07:57,639 --> 00:08:00,639 Speaker 1: The facts presented by News Nation regarding the timeline and 162 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,399 his medical state are incredibly. 163 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,199 Speaker 2: Conflicting, very contradictory. 164 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,759 Speaker 1: Almost immediately after he vanishes, authority's issue with silver alert. 165 00:08:07,839 --> 00:08:11,279 When you hear silver alert, the immediate association is an 166 00:08:11,319 --> 00:08:16,439 elderly individual, maybe someone suffering from Alzheimer's or dementia, who 167 00:08:16,439 --> 00:08:18,160 has wandered off and gotten confused. 168 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 2: It inherently suggests cognitive vulnerability exactly. 169 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,519 Speaker 1: It paints a picture of a frail person. Yet, according 170 00:08:25,519 --> 00:08:29,600 to investigative journalist Ross Colthart, who has been intimately following 171 00:08:29,639 --> 00:08:30,399 this case. 172 00:08:30,199 --> 00:08:32,159 Speaker 2: And he's a very credible journalist. 173 00:08:31,959 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: Very credible according to him, and according to mccaslyn's own wife, 174 00:08:35,399 --> 00:08:38,519 Susan and his close friends, the general was the furthest 175 00:08:38,519 --> 00:08:41,679 thing from cognitively or physically vulnerable. 176 00:08:41,759 --> 00:08:43,039 Speaker 2: Right remember the bike ride. 177 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:48,639 Speaker 1: Yes, we're talking about an incredibly fit, mentally sharp individual 178 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,639 who had just cycled sixty miles the weekend prior to 179 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:52,399 his disappearance. 180 00:08:52,639 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: The application of a silver alert in mccaslyn's case immediately 181 00:08:56,159 --> 00:08:56,919 ruffled feathers. 182 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:57,799 Speaker 1: It needs no sense. 183 00:08:57,879 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 2: It created a massive contradiction in the public narrative because 184 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,480 a silver alert is a specific bureaucratic and public safety tool. 185 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: Okay, so how does it actually work. 186 00:09:06,279 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 2: It is designed to mobilize the community rapidly to look 187 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,559 for a vulnerable senior citizen. It triggers highway signs, localized 188 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,559 media broadcasts, and an immedia awareness. 189 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: Campaign like an Amber alert, but for seniors exactly. 190 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,399 Speaker 2: But the mechanics of a silver alert require specific criteria 191 00:09:23,519 --> 00:09:27,120 to be met, usually a documented medical condition that impairs 192 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,000 cognitive function. 193 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,519 Speaker 1: And that's exactly where the News Nation correspondent Alex Capriel 194 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:32,799 dropped a massive twist. 195 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,159 Speaker 2: Oh the brain fog comment. 196 00:09:34,399 --> 00:09:38,159 Speaker 1: Yes, local sheriffs announced for the very first time that 197 00:09:38,279 --> 00:09:41,399 mcaslyn had actually been experiencing what they described as brain 198 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,279 fog for the last several. 199 00:09:43,039 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 2: Months, which is such a vague term it is. 200 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: They claimed he required medication for this condition, though they 201 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,600 were quick to add that he showed absolutely no signs 202 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,080 of depression, behavioral issues, or suicidal ideation. 203 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 2: Just brain fog. 204 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: Just brain fog. Let's look at this logically, how does 205 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,120 a man suffering from debilitating brain fog enough to warrant 206 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,639 a statewide silver alert safely navigate the complex cardiovascular and 207 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,519 spatial awareness demands of a grueling sixty mile bike ride. 208 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 2: He doesn't. You can't safely ride in traffic for sixty 209 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,480 miles if you are cognitively impaired. 210 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,279 Speaker 1: It just doesn't track to me. It feels completely disjointed. 211 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,360 I have to wonder if this is a classic case 212 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,639 of bureaucratic maneuvering. 213 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 2: What do you mean by that? 214 00:10:23,519 --> 00:10:27,879 Speaker 1: Is it possible that when a deeply classified, high value 215 00:10:27,879 --> 00:10:32,639 individual goes missing, local authorities use medical issues as a 216 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:37,480 convenient lever, like a way to rapidly justify a massive 217 00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:41,600 search without causing a public panic about a kidnapp general. 218 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: That is the exact friction point between public safety protocols 219 00:10:45,279 --> 00:10:48,200 and national security reality. It has to be right, Yeah, 220 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,600 when a person goes missing the first forty eight hours 221 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,080 or the golden window, local law enforcement needs a mechanism 222 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,399 to throw every available resource at the problem immediately. 223 00:10:57,639 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: Helicopters, search dogs, volunteer g rids, all of it. 224 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 2: Right, Issuing a silver alert might simply have been the 225 00:11:04,279 --> 00:11:07,440 most efficient bureaucratic lever the local authorities could pull to 226 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,399 bypass standard waiting periods for missing adults. 227 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: Because normally you have to wait what twenty four hours. 228 00:11:12,879 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 2: Often, yes, they needed a justification, and the existence of 229 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,240 a prescription medication, even for something as vague as brain fog, 230 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,200 provided the necessary checkbox to activate state resources. 231 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:26,399 Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense. 232 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,279 Speaker 2: It's a loophole, it is, But we must evaluate this 233 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,960 against the physical reality of the environment. He supposedly wandered 234 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,279 into the Sandia Mountains. The Sandia Mountains are unforgiving. The 235 00:11:37,399 --> 00:11:41,559 terrain is jagged, the elevation changes are drastic, ranging from 236 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,679 five thousand to over ten thousand feet, and the temperature 237 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:45,600 drops rapidly. 238 00:11:45,759 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: It's not a casual walking. 239 00:11:47,039 --> 00:11:50,399 Speaker 2: Path, not at all. However, a man who regularly runs 240 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,279 those trails, a military man trained in survival, does not 241 00:11:54,399 --> 00:11:57,080 simply succumb to the elements on a routine morning without 242 00:11:57,159 --> 00:11:58,440 leaving a trace exactly. 243 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: Even if he got hurt, right. 244 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:02,799 Speaker 2: He experienced a medical episode like a twisted ankle, a 245 00:12:02,879 --> 00:12:06,600 heard issue, or sudden cognitive decline, he would leave physical 246 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:07,240 evidence a. 247 00:12:07,159 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: Discarded jacket, a distress call, broken brush from a fall, or. 248 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,039 Speaker 2: Ultimately a body easily found by the massive search grids. 249 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,759 The absolute absence of him in that environment deeply contradicts 250 00:12:17,799 --> 00:12:20,200 the wandering off due to brain fog theory. 251 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,919 Speaker 1: Which leads us directly to the physical mystery, the breadcrumbs 252 00:12:23,919 --> 00:12:25,559 that lead straight into a brick wall. 253 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: The evidence of the house is the most baffling part 254 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:29,600 of this whole case. 255 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,279 Speaker 1: Let's look at exactly what was left behind and what 256 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,759 was taken. According to the News Nation broadcast, First, he 257 00:12:35,879 --> 00:12:36,879 left his cell phone at home. 258 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,519 Speaker 2: Okay, unusual but not impossible. 259 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: Second, he took his twenty three to eight caliber revolver 260 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:43,919 with him. 261 00:12:44,279 --> 00:12:45,399 Speaker 2: Now that changes things. 262 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,879 Speaker 1: And third the bombshell that completely derails the narrative. The 263 00:12:49,879 --> 00:12:52,039 police originally thought he was wearing a specific pair of 264 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,240 hiking boots and a shirt, right. 265 00:12:54,039 --> 00:12:55,639 Speaker 2: They put that out in the initial reports. 266 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: I did, But those items were actually found inside his home. 267 00:12:58,879 --> 00:13:04,000 The authority stated unequivocally, there are absolutely no shoes missing 268 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:04,679 from his house. 269 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 2: None, none. So he left barefoot. 270 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,799 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting for me. He leaves 271 00:13:09,799 --> 00:13:10,240 his phone. 272 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:10,519 Speaker 2: Yeah. 273 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: I can rationalize that sometimes you want to unplug and 274 00:13:12,919 --> 00:13:13,759 just be in nature here. 275 00:13:13,879 --> 00:13:14,399 Speaker 2: People do that. 276 00:13:14,639 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: But you leave barefoot and you pack a revolver barefoot 277 00:13:19,039 --> 00:13:22,519 and armed, doesn't scream fugue state to me, not at all. 278 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:26,159 It screams a violent disruption of routine. Think about the 279 00:13:26,159 --> 00:13:29,559 physical sensation of walking out of your suburban home, onto 280 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,919 the pavement and into the rugged New Mexico foothills without 281 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,039 shoes while clutching a handgun. 282 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,799 Speaker 2: You'd feel the rocks the cold immediately. 283 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: You don't grab a close quarters weapon and run out 284 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,799 the door without shoes unless the thread is already at 285 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:43,519 your threshold. 286 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 2: This raises an important question, what specific mechanical event interrupts 287 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:53,519 the deeply ingrained routine of a highly regimented retired military 288 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,799 officer so violently that he leaves his home barefoot but armed. 289 00:13:58,240 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: It has to be something immediate. 290 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: Former FBI special agent and former Navy Seal Jonathan Gilliam 291 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,559 offered crucial insights on this in the News Nation broadcast. 292 00:14:06,639 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: Oh Yeah, his analysis was spot on. 293 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 2: When you analyze that specific cluster of physical evidence, the 294 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,240 absent phone, the present weapon, the lack of footwear, you 295 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,840 are forced to analyze the mechanics of a disruption. 296 00:14:18,039 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the gun. 297 00:14:19,159 --> 00:14:21,799 Speaker 2: Let's look at the firearms. Specifically, a point three po 298 00:14:21,919 --> 00:14:25,120 eight caliber revolver is not a hunting weapon. It is 299 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,600 not a wilderness survival tool. It has a short barrel, 300 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,639 limited range, and low ammunition capacity. 301 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: It's for self defense. 302 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 2: It is explicitly designed for concealed close quarters personal defense. 303 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,759 The choice to take that specific weapon implies he was 304 00:14:40,799 --> 00:14:44,440 anticipating a threat within arm's reach, not a mountain lion 305 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:45,000 on a trail. 306 00:14:45,159 --> 00:14:47,679 Speaker 1: Exactly. If he was planning a hike, he would take 307 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,000 a different tool. He took the tool you use when 308 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,200 someone is kicking in your door. 309 00:14:51,279 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 2: Precisely, this cluster of evidence points heavily toward a hurried, 310 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,799 hostile abduction originating from inside or immediately outside the home. 311 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: Wow inside the home. 312 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,799 Speaker 2: Imagine the sequence of events. He is confronted unexpectedly. He 313 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,919 doesn't have the seconds required to put on shoes. 314 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:09,799 Speaker 1: He just reacts. 315 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: He grabs his weapon for defense, but is ultimately overwhelmed, incapacitated, 316 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,639 and extracted before he can discharge it. 317 00:15:16,799 --> 00:15:17,919 Speaker 1: And what about the phone? 318 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,679 Speaker 2: The phone is left behind, either because the extraction team 319 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,480 forced him to drop it to prevent GPS tracking, or 320 00:15:23,519 --> 00:15:26,159 simply because it was irrelevant in the split second life 321 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:27,519 or death reaction he had to make. 322 00:15:27,639 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: You're not grabbing your iPhone if someone is. 323 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:34,559 Speaker 2: Rushing you exactly. Alternatively, investigators must consider the mechanics of 324 00:15:34,559 --> 00:15:38,879 deliberate staging. Deliberate staging, did an extraction team take his phone, 325 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:44,320 leave his boots, and intentionally manufacture a confusing, contradictory crime scene. 326 00:15:44,399 --> 00:15:46,559 Speaker 1: Oh wow? To throw everyone off. 327 00:15:46,399 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 2: By leaving the boots inside and taking the man, you 328 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,360 force the police to spend days trying to solve a 329 00:15:52,399 --> 00:15:56,600 bizarre riddle rather than immediately pursuing a kidnapping. 330 00:15:56,039 --> 00:15:58,279 Speaker 1: Protocol that is incredibly dark. 331 00:15:58,519 --> 00:16:00,679 Speaker 2: If you are a man like mcas un trained in 332 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,080 operational security, you do not break your routine by accident. 333 00:16:04,159 --> 00:16:07,039 Every action is purposeful, so it was forced. The physical 334 00:16:07,039 --> 00:16:10,120 evidence scene is either the result of a catastrophic ambush 335 00:16:10,519 --> 00:16:12,399 or a surgically staged misdirection. 336 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:15,759 Speaker 1: I lean toward the ambush, honestly, but the idea of 337 00:16:15,799 --> 00:16:18,279 a surgically staged misdirection is chilling. 338 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: It implies a highly professional team. 339 00:16:20,679 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: It implies a level of sophistication that your average criminal 340 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,720 just doesn't possess, and that brings us to the massive 341 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,600 looming shadow over this entire. 342 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: Case, the extraterrestrial element. 343 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,519 Speaker 1: Yes, now, before we dive into this, I want to 344 00:16:34,519 --> 00:16:38,039 make something crystal clear to you, the listener. During this discussion, 345 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,759 we're going to mention a couple of highly recognizable political figures. 346 00:16:41,799 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: We have to it's in the source material. 347 00:16:43,679 --> 00:16:47,879 Speaker 1: We are strictly reporting the chronological facts, leaked documents, and 348 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,000 claims presented in the News Nation's source material. We are 349 00:16:52,039 --> 00:16:57,440 maintaining absolute political impartiality, completely neutral. We are not endorsing 350 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,279 any political viewpoint left or right. We are simply laying 351 00:17:01,279 --> 00:17:04,759 out the exact sequence of events that the journalists and 352 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:06,799 experts debated on the broadcast. 353 00:17:07,039 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 2: That distinction is critical because the extraterrestrial angle in this 354 00:17:10,759 --> 00:17:13,599 case is not derived from fringe internet forums. 355 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: It's not just people making stuff up online. 356 00:17:15,759 --> 00:17:20,759 Speaker 2: No, it is tethered directly to documented political and military correspondence. 357 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,839 Speaker 1: Right. According to the broadcast, General mccaslyn's name appeared prominently 358 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:29,240 in the leaked twenty sixteen emails between John Podesta, who 359 00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:32,079 was Hillary Clinton's campaign manager at the time, and other 360 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:32,799 high level. 361 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,839 Speaker 2: Officials real verified emails for context. 362 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: These emails reportedly discussed detailed conversations with McCaslin and another 363 00:17:40,799 --> 00:17:45,920 Air Force general regarding a clear structured intention to declassify 364 00:17:46,039 --> 00:17:48,799 and release UFO secrets to the American public. 365 00:17:49,079 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 2: This was a serious conversation happening at the highest levels. 366 00:17:52,599 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: This was a plan that was apparently anticipated to unfold 367 00:17:55,519 --> 00:17:59,319 under a potential Clinton presidency. So we know, as a 368 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:03,319 matter of doctors commanded historical fact, that mccaslyn was viewed 369 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,839 by high level political operatives as a primary source. 370 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:07,839 Speaker 2: He was the guy. 371 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: He was a key player with a wealth of protected 372 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:14,039 information regarding UAP Unidentified anomalist phenomenon disclosure. 373 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 2: And then look at the current timeline. 374 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: Fast forward to the present day. Mccaslyn vanishes mere days 375 00:18:20,039 --> 00:18:23,200 after President Trump announced a directive to release government records 376 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,279 tied to UFOs and extraterrestrials. 377 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 2: The timing is undeniable, it really is. It is the 378 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,880 kind of timing that immediately generates friction between different analytical philosophies. 379 00:18:32,279 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: Which we saw clearly on the broadcast. 380 00:18:34,079 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 2: In the News Nation report, we see two entirely dueling 381 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,519 perspectives on how to interpret this timeline. On one side, you. 382 00:18:40,519 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: Have Ross Coulthart, the investigative Journalists. 383 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 2: Right, a journalist with deep sources in the intelligence community. 384 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:51,079 He describes this sequence of events as an alarming synchronicity. 385 00:18:50,519 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: Alarming synchronicity. 386 00:18:52,039 --> 00:18:55,559 Speaker 2: Culthart has boots on the ground. He has physically walked 387 00:18:55,599 --> 00:18:59,680 the trails around mccaslyn's home. He knows that McCaslin was 388 00:18:59,799 --> 00:19:03,519 deep respected by a specific faction of government insiders who 389 00:19:03,559 --> 00:19:06,519 are actively pushing for UAP disclosure. 390 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:07,839 Speaker 1: So people wanted him to talk. 391 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:12,079 Speaker 2: From Colthart's perspective, the logic is straightforward. The disappearance of 392 00:19:12,079 --> 00:19:14,680 the very man who holds the keys to write Patterson's 393 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,880 historical secrets immediately following a presidential directive to open those 394 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,759 vaults is far too coincidental to ignore. 395 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: It feels like a movie plot. 396 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,079 Speaker 2: In his view, it suggests a proactive, extreme measure to 397 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,839 silence a primary source before he could be compelled to 398 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,960 testify or release classified data. 399 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,839 Speaker 1: But then you have the complete opposite end of the 400 00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:35,799 spectrum provided by doctor Avi Lobe. 401 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 2: Yes, the Harvard professor. 402 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: A Frank B. Baar, Junior Professor of Science at Harvard 403 00:19:39,799 --> 00:19:43,920 University and a brilliant astrophysicist. Lobe comes on the broadcast 404 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,759 and completely unequivocally dismisses the UFO link. 405 00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:48,519 Speaker 2: He shuts it down entirely. 406 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:52,759 Speaker 1: He aligns perfectly with mccaslyn's wife, stating that this disappearance 407 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,279 has absolutely nothing to do with aliens, and. 408 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 2: His reasoning is very grounded. 409 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: And Load's argument is intensely practical. Root in material science. 410 00:20:01,839 --> 00:20:05,519 He argues that even if mcaslyn had access to retrieved 411 00:20:05,559 --> 00:20:09,799 materials from the nineteen forty seven Roswell crash, that technology 412 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,759 is essentially eighty years old. 413 00:20:12,079 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 2: It's archaic by modern standards. 414 00:20:14,279 --> 00:20:17,799 Speaker 1: From a modern scientific and military standpoint, an eighty year 415 00:20:17,839 --> 00:20:22,079 old retrieved artifact wouldn't be relevant enough to warrant assassinating 416 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,240 or kidnapping a retired two star general today. 417 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 2: Low believes the reason for his disappearance is likely completely mundane. 418 00:20:29,599 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: Or at worst tied to modern human engineered weaponry, not 419 00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:34,119 flying saucers. 420 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 2: Load's argument requires us to look at the mechanics of 421 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,480 technological advancement. Howso, his point is that even if a 422 00:20:39,519 --> 00:20:43,279 non human craft crashed in nineteen forty seven whenever metallurgical 423 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,240 or propulsion secrets it held have either long since been 424 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,519 integrated into our modern black projects, or they remain so 425 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,519 far beyond our current physics that they are practically. 426 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: Useless, like given a smartphone to a caveman. 427 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 2: Exactly therefore silencing an old man about an old crash 428 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,839 doesn't provide enough torategic value to risk a high profile 429 00:21:01,839 --> 00:21:03,119 abduction on US soil. 430 00:21:03,519 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: I understand lobes logic about the technology being old, but 431 00:21:08,079 --> 00:21:09,839 I actually want to push back on his premise. 432 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,079 Speaker 2: Oh really, How so. 433 00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:15,079 Speaker 1: Lobe assumes the only value McCaslin holds is the raw 434 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,440 data of the nineteen forty seven crash. But what if 435 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,119 the value isn't the old technology itself. 436 00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:23,279 Speaker 2: But the cover up the political fallout. 437 00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: Yes, if a government has been lying to the global 438 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:31,279 public bypassing congressional oversight and illegally funneling trillions of dollars 439 00:21:31,319 --> 00:21:35,359 into unacknowledged black projects for eighty years, the political and 440 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,039 legal fallout of that revelation would be catastrophic. 441 00:21:38,079 --> 00:21:39,759 Speaker 2: People would go to prison exactly. 442 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, the economic systems might fracture. Mchasm wouldn't just be 443 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,319 revealing old metal. He would be revealing the greatest systemic 444 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:47,640 fraud in human history. 445 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 2: That's a compelling point. 446 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: Silencing someone to protect the institution of the cover up 447 00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:54,480 seems highly plausible to me, regardless of how outdated the 448 00:21:54,519 --> 00:21:55,640 original technology is. 449 00:21:55,759 --> 00:21:58,799 Speaker 2: It shifts the motive from scientific to political survival. 450 00:21:59,079 --> 00:22:02,279 Speaker 1: But even setting that, the timing still bothers me. 451 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,559 Speaker 2: The timeline of the presidential announcement. 452 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: Right, if a rogue agency or a shadowy group was 453 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,480 going to abduct someone to silence them about appending declassification, 454 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,000 wouldn't you execute that operation before the president makes the 455 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:16,400 massive public announcement. 456 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 2: You'd want to be ahead of the news cycle. 457 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: Doing it days as to the announcement just shines a massive, 458 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,039 glaring spotlight on the exact secrets you are supposedly trying 459 00:22:26,079 --> 00:22:31,160 to keep hidden. It feels entirely counterintuitive to basic operational security. 460 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 2: That is the precise logical hurdle that counterintelligence analysts look 461 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:36,920 for when evaluating theories. 462 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:37,839 Speaker 1: That's sloppy, right. 463 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,599 Speaker 2: A post announcement abduction is reactionary, messy, and loud. It 464 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,720 draws the global media, like news nation, right to the 465 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,079 doorstep of the missing man. 466 00:22:47,279 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: It guarantees everyone is watching. 467 00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 2: Synthesizing Lobe's practical scientific worldview with the highly speculative theories 468 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,880 of the UFO community requires us to look at utility 469 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,119 and misdirection. Misdirection who is essentially saying, look at the physics, 470 00:23:02,319 --> 00:23:06,119 look at the timeline of technological advancement. While the UFO 471 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,960 angle is sensational, deeply romanticized, and historically tied to mccaslin's 472 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,119 former command at right Patterson. It might actually serve as 473 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,160 a highly effective distraction, a distraction from what from a 474 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,200 much darker earth bound reality. The sheer noise of the 475 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:26,759 alien theory, the Internet sleuths, the UFO podcasts, the conspiracy 476 00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:30,240 forums might obscure the more terrifying truth of human on 477 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,480 human espionage like a smoke screen. Exactly if you are 478 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,720 a foreign intelligence service, you couldn't ask for a better 479 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:36,319 smoke screen. 480 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,319 Speaker 1: That is exactly where my mind goes. The alien theory 481 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,839 is flashy, it grabs headlines, but the human threat is terrifyingly. 482 00:23:43,279 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 2: Real and very current. 483 00:23:44,839 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: Stripping away the roswell mythology for a moment, we are 484 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,960 still left with a man who, as the source states, 485 00:23:50,279 --> 00:23:53,559 has a wealth of information and a storied career handling 486 00:23:53,559 --> 00:23:55,920 the most sensitive secrets of the Department of Defense. 487 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 2: He's a walking hard drive of defense secrets. 488 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: We have to explore the mechanics effect perpetrated by foreign adversaries, 489 00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:04,440 specifically nations like China. 490 00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 2: Or Russia, nations who would love to have a shot. 491 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,599 Speaker 1: With him right who might be looking to extract highly 492 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:15,880 classified modern technological information. During the broadcast, Ben Hansen, a 493 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,480 former FBI agent and UFO investigator, made a point that 494 00:24:19,599 --> 00:24:20,519 really stuck with me. 495 00:24:20,759 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 2: What did he say? 496 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,839 Speaker 1: He said that when you hold a top secret clearance 497 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,759 of that magnitude, you don't just work a job. You 498 00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:29,160 are playing offense and defense for the rest of your life. 499 00:24:29,319 --> 00:24:32,759 Speaker 2: Offense and defense for life is non metaphor. It is 500 00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:36,759 the literal operational reality of the intelligence community. 501 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: You never truly retire, you don't. 502 00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:42,599 Speaker 2: The secrets locked inside General mccaslin's head are the crown 503 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,359 jewels of American. 504 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 1: Defense, bleeding edge stuff. 505 00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 2: We are talking about advanced material science, autonomous drone swarming capabilities, 506 00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:55,480 directed energy weapon schematics, and the absolute architecture of our 507 00:24:55,519 --> 00:24:57,039 satellite surveillance network. 508 00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:00,759 Speaker 1: To a foreign intelligence service, extracting the that knowledge is 509 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:03,200 worth almost any geopolitical risk for RUSS. 510 00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 2: Coulthart goes so far as to call this a grave 511 00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:06,559 national security. 512 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,519 Speaker 1: Crisis, and he's not exaggerating, No. 513 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 2: And Jonathan Gilliam adds as chilling operational detail. If this 514 00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:16,920 is a case of industrial espionage or a state sponsored 515 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,880 extraction by a foreign power via human. 516 00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: Intentional intelligence operation. Right. 517 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,279 Speaker 2: If that's what this is, there will be no ransom demand. 518 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,079 Speaker 1: They aren't get asked for ten million dollars. 519 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,839 Speaker 2: They don't want money, they want the asset. They want 520 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,039 the mind. Once they have extracted the information, the individual 521 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,079 becomes an absolute liability and is entirely disposable. 522 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,079 Speaker 1: It's a horrifying thought. It means the clock isn't just 523 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,559 ticking on finding him. It's likely already run out. 524 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:43,559 Speaker 2: It's very possible. 525 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: But this espionage theory leads to one of the biggest 526 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,119 points of contention, highlighted in the News Nation video. His friends, 527 00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:55,000 his colleagues, and journalists like Coulthart are incredibly puzzled by 528 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,319 the FBI's approach. 529 00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:57,839 Speaker 2: Because the FBI is being so quiet. 530 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,519 Speaker 1: Exactly we're talking about a mapive local search, helicopters, sheriffs, 531 00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:07,519 volunteers walking gridlines. But the FBI's public posture is extremely 532 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:08,079 low key. 533 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,039 Speaker 2: They're barely issuing media releases. 534 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: They are not grand standing at press conferences. For a 535 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,519 man who holds the nation's deepest defense secrets, the FED 536 00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:20,839 seem to be playing it incredibly cool, almost to the 537 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:21,880 point of apathy. 538 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 2: It seems strange on the surface. 539 00:26:24,279 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: Why would the premier federal law enforcement agency act like 540 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,400 this is just another missing hiker. 541 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,079 Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, the FBI's 542 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,759 behavior makes perfect mechanical sense from a counterintelligence standpoint. Really, 543 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,920 how so, a low key public profile often correlates directly 544 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,240 with a high intensity, deeply classified investigation occurring behind the scenes. 545 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: So they are working, just not talking. 546 00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 2: Think about the geopolitical stakes involved. If the United States 547 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,279 government publicly announces that they believe a retired major general, 548 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,200 the former head of the Air Force Research Laboratory has 549 00:26:58,279 --> 00:27:01,160 been successfully abducted from US oil by a foreign. 550 00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: Adversary, Oh, that'll be a disaster. 551 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 2: They are admitting to a catastrophic, humiliating breach of domestic security. 552 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,599 It broadcasts immense weakness. 553 00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: The public panic would be insane. 554 00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:14,519 Speaker 2: More importantly, it alerts the adversary that we know exactly 555 00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:18,559 what they've done, potentially accelerating whatever timeline they have for 556 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,839 extracting information from the general or moving him across borders. 557 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,599 Speaker 1: Right, It's like deploying a digital Faraday cage around the 558 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:26,640 entire investigation. 559 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 2: That's a great analogy. 560 00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:31,079 Speaker 1: The local cops are making noise outside the cage, keeping 561 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,920 the press busy with Silver alerts and search dogs. But 562 00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:37,799 inside the cage, the FBI has completely locked down the 563 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,640 signal to prevent foreign adversaries from knowing we are onto them. 564 00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 2: They are managing the public narrative to protect the classified hunt. 565 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,519 Speaker 1: Exactly, by keeping the public narrative focused on a silver 566 00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:52,720 alert and a localized missing person search in the mountains, 567 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,960 the FBI can quietly deploy their elite counter intelligence and 568 00:27:57,079 --> 00:27:59,000 cyber tracking teams. 569 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,839 Speaker 2: Without tipping their hand to inner national players. 570 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,519 Speaker 1: They're allowing the adversary to believe they have gotten away. 571 00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:05,799 Speaker 2: Cleanly, which is often the only way to track them. 572 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,240 This dual track approach loud local search, silent federal hunt 573 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:15,000 is standard operating perfuture for a breach of this magnitude. 574 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: And they are using every technological tool at their disposal, 575 00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:20,039 which requires us to look at the mechanics of the 576 00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:22,519 physical and digital search currently underway. 577 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 2: Search efforts are massive. 578 00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:27,839 Speaker 1: The source material goes into exhaustive detail about this physical search. 579 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,680 Local state and federal authorities are throwing the kitchen sink 580 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,119 at the Sandia Mountains. 581 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 2: We are talking about helicopters, drones equipped with advanced sensors, 582 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,119 and specialized canine units trained in tracking human scent. 583 00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:45,359 Speaker 1: But despite this massive deployment of resources, the results are baffling. 584 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,440 The authorities have received dozens of tips but absolutely no 585 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,400 confirmed sightings none. More importantly, the sheriff explicitly stated that 586 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,480 there have been no heat signatures detected in the foothills. 587 00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,319 Speaker 2: That is a critical detail. 588 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,559 Speaker 1: Let's break down the technology here. When they deploy forward 589 00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:07,119 looking infrared FLIR from helicopters or drones, how sensitive is it? 590 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:09,960 Because the public assumes it's like a magic camera that 591 00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:11,119 just sees through trees. 592 00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:16,839 Speaker 2: FLR operates by detecting infrared radiation, which we perceive as heat, 593 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,319 and translating it into a visual thermogram. It doesn't see 594 00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:23,680 through objects, but it detects the minute temperature differentials between 595 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,359 an object and its ambient environment. 596 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,079 Speaker 1: Okay, so it compares heat levels. 597 00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 2: The sensitivity or immissivity detection of modern military and high 598 00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:34,359 end law enforcement FLR is astounding. 599 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: How astounding are we talking? 600 00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:38,759 Speaker 2: During a cold February night or early morning in the 601 00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:42,799 Sandia Mountains, the ambient temperature of the ground, rocks, and 602 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,400 vegetation drops. 603 00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:46,039 Speaker 1: Significantly, right, it gets freezing out there. 604 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 2: A human body maintaining a core temperature of ninety eight 605 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,559 point six degrees creates a massive glaring thermal bloom against 606 00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:55,519 that cold background. 607 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: Must light up like a beacon. 608 00:29:57,319 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: A modern FLR system can pick up the body he 609 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,640 of a rabbit hiding under a bush from one thousand 610 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,319 feet in the air. 611 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: A rabbit. 612 00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 2: Yes. The fact that multiple passes with thermal drones and 613 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,319 helicopters cannot find the thermal bloom of a human being 614 00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:14,640 in that environment strongly suggests mechanically speaking, that he simply 615 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:15,480 isn't there to be. 616 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,319 Speaker 1: Found if he's not emitting heat in the mountains. He's 617 00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:20,599 not in the mountains exactly. And it's not just the 618 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,920 physical searches coming up empty, it's the digital void. 619 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,359 Speaker 2: The digital void is the most alarming part. 620 00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:30,519 Speaker 1: Jonathan Gilliam heavily emphasized the importance of digital forensics in 621 00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:34,880 the broadcast. In today's world, it is almost impossible to 622 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,400 move without leaving a digital wake. 623 00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 2: You're always pinging something. 624 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,319 Speaker 1: Gilliam noted that investigators will be pulling data from neighborhood 625 00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:46,599 mesh networks, the ring doorbells, the nest cameras, the street surveillance. 626 00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:47,759 Speaker 2: Everyone has a camera. 627 00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:51,519 Speaker 1: Now they will be using cell tower triangulation and analyzing 628 00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:54,039 the pings of other phones that were in the area 629 00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:56,240 at the exact time the chaslym vanished. 630 00:30:56,279 --> 00:30:58,759 Speaker 2: They are using scent dogs starting from his house too, 631 00:30:59,039 --> 00:30:59,519 trying to. 632 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,319 Speaker 1: Track the visible trail as skin rafts he leaves behind 633 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,759 from the moment he walked out the door. I have 634 00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:07,039 to admit I am an utter disbelief. 635 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,359 Speaker 2: It's hard to wrap your head around think about. 636 00:31:09,119 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: Your own digital footprint. Today. Our refrigerators know what groceries 637 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,759 we need. There are cameras on every porch, satellites overhead, 638 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:23,279 automated license plate readers at every intersection, and a constant 639 00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:25,480 mesh of cellular data surrounding us. 640 00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 2: We are constantly tracked. 641 00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:30,799 Speaker 1: How does a person, especially a high profile person, vanish 642 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,440 without leaving a single digital trace. It feels practically impossible. 643 00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:38,799 Speaker 2: It is exceptionally difficult, which is exactly why the digital 644 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,000 silence is so loud evading. Modern tracking isn't something an 645 00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:44,920 average person suffering from brain fog can do by accident. 646 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:45,759 Speaker 1: No, definitely not. 647 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,119 Speaker 2: When a phone connects to a network, it performs a 648 00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:51,839 handshake with the nearest cell tower, registering its IMEI number. 649 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: Even if he left his phone behind. 650 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 2: Even if mcaslyn left his phone behind, investigators are looking 651 00:31:57,039 --> 00:32:00,400 at the SS seven network data, the signaling protocol used 652 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,960 by cell networks, to see what other phones entered his 653 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,440 neighborhood grid during that narrow time window. 654 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: So they are looking for the kidnappers phones. 655 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 2: They are looking for burner phones or foreign registered simcards. 656 00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:15,880 As Gillian suggested, if mccasln left without his phone and 657 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,240 his shoes, and the neighborhood cameras caught nothing and the 658 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,319 thermal drones see nothing, we are forced to look at 659 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,000 two highly polarized extremes regarding his disappearance. 660 00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:29,119 Speaker 1: Two extremes, okay, the first extreme being that he suffered 661 00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:32,440 a catastrophic medical event or an accident, literally steps from 662 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:33,000 his door. 663 00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 2: Right falling into a blind spot of technology, and. 664 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,319 Speaker 1: Is tragically concealed by the immediate environment in a way 665 00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:41,079 searchers have simply overlooked. 666 00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 2: Which given the tech, is highly unlikely. But the second extreme, 667 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,519 the second extreme, is what keeps bringing us back to his. 668 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,759 Speaker 1: Resume, Yes, the resume. The second extreme is that he 669 00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:52,440 was taken by absolute professionals. 670 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 2: A highly coordinated. 671 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: Team, a team that conducted extensive pre operational surveillance, a 672 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,599 team that knows exactly where the camera blind's spots are 673 00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:02,039 in that specific suburb. 674 00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:05,279 Speaker 2: A team that knows how to deploy localized signal jammers 675 00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:08,440 to spoof or shield electronic signals during the extraction. 676 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: A team that executed a snatch and grab so rapidly 677 00:33:12,039 --> 00:33:15,279 and so cleanly that it didn't register on the neighborhood's 678 00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:16,200 digital trip wires. 679 00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 2: To orchestrate an extraction in a suburban environment, leaving a 680 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,440 man barefoot, but removing him entirely from the grid requires 681 00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:28,039 a level of operational sophistication that points directly back to 682 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,440 state sponsored intelligence or a highly trained rogue element. 683 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: It is the application of military grade tactics on suburban soil. 684 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 2: It's terrifying when you think about the precision. 685 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: The precision required for that is terrifying. It means they 686 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,240 were watching, they knew his routine, they knew his vulnerabilities, 687 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,960 and they struck in the exact window where the digital 688 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:48,799 net was thinnest. 689 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 2: They waited for the perfect moment. 690 00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:53,519 Speaker 1: So what does this all mean. Let's pull these thrilling 691 00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:54,279 threads together. 692 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:55,519 Speaker 2: It's a lot to process. 693 00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:58,039 Speaker 1: We have a man who commanded the Air Force Research Laboratory, 694 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,720 a keeper of a two billion dollar black budget, and 695 00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:04,680 potentially the secrets of Wright, Patterson and Rosswell. 696 00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:08,559 Speaker 2: We have a deeply contradictory timeline, a sixty mile cyclist 697 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:10,960 supposedly suffering from vague brain fog. 698 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: We have the sheer absurdity of the physical evidence, a 699 00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:17,880 left behind cell phone, a point three po eight caliber 700 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,760 revolver taken into the wilderness, and his hiking boots his 701 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,960 shoes left sitting inside the house. 702 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 2: We have the undeniable synchronicity of his disappearance aligning with 703 00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:31,000 presidential directives on UFO disclosure, and. 704 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: The very grounded, very terrifying reality of international espionage and 705 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:36,800 digital evasion. 706 00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 2: It is a profound puzzle, it really is. And as 707 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,039 we conclude our analysis of these sources today, I want 708 00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:45,760 to leave you the listener with a final chilling thought 709 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,960 to mull Over, please do something that the mechanics of 710 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,280 the physical evidence heavily imply but the official narrative shies 711 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,480 away from. We look at the missing shoes, the absent 712 00:34:55,519 --> 00:34:58,320 digital footprint, the lack of thermal signatures in the mountains, 713 00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:59,840 and we ask, how did. 714 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: The That's what everyone is asking. 715 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 2: But what if we're asking the wrong question? Entirely What 716 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,800 do you mean? What if the complete absence of evidence 717 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,400 isn't a sign of an old man getting hopelessly lost. 718 00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:13,239 What if the silence, the missing shoes, and the invisible 719 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,159 digital trail are actually the hallmark signatures of a perfectly 720 00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:21,119 executed professional extraction. Oh wow, What if we aren't looking 721 00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:23,679 at a missing person's case at all, but a ghost 722 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,639 protocol playing out in plain sight. 723 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,079 Speaker 1: That thought is going to keep me up at night. 724 00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:31,599 The idea that the lack of clues is the clue. 725 00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 2: It changes everything. 726 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,639 Speaker 1: It changes the entire perspective of that quiet morning in Albuquerque. 727 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,440 The silence isn't an accident. 728 00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 2: It's a weapon, a very effective weapon. 729 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,679 Speaker 1: And we want to know what you think. We've looked 730 00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:46,840 at the mechanics of the contradictory medical reports, the intense 731 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,559 reality of the espionage theories, and the wild UFO synchronicities 732 00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:51,800 surrounding right Patterson. 733 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,280 Speaker 2: There are so many angles here. 734 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 1: Now it is your turned away in. Do you think 735 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,880 General mccaslin's disappearance is a tragic all? Be it incredibly 736 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,519 bizarre medical emergency of a man wandering into the unforgiving 737 00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:05,480 Sandia Mountains? 738 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,639 Speaker 2: Or is it a chilling surgically executed case of international 739 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,119 espionage aimed at extracting our nation's most classified defense tech. 740 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,199 Speaker 1: Or is it something deeper, tied to the darkest secrets 741 00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:20,480 of the Air Force Research Laboratory and the legacy of Roswell. 742 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,199 What is your stand. 743 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,199 Speaker 2: We'd love to hear your theories. 744 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: Leave us a comment below and let us know what 745 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,559 you think. Thank you for joining us on thrilling threads, 746 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,440 where the truth is always stranger than fiction. Keep pulling 747 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,519 the threads and we will see you next time.