WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:08.679 The following presentation is Del Marvis Studio's production. You're listening 2 00:00:08.720 --> 00:00:13.800 to the Fact Hunter Radio Network. Here is your host s, 3 00:00:13.839 --> 00:00:15.080 George Hobbs. 4 00:00:15.519 --> 00:00:19.039 Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time 5 00:00:19.039 --> 00:00:22.000 for another edition of our classic audio series, and tonight 6 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:25.199 we're going back to nineteen ninety eight and it's Michael 7 00:00:25.320 --> 00:00:29.839 Collins Piper giving a lecture about his book Final Judgment, 8 00:00:30.160 --> 00:00:33.840 and he talks about the Masad connection to the JFK assassination. 9 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:37.079 Not a very long episode today, about forty five minutes, 10 00:00:37.119 --> 00:00:40.000 but it's a chuck full of information. I hope you 11 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:43.439 enjoy it. God bless everyone. Have a great week. It 12 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:47.000 should be an interesting one. Without any further ado, here 13 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:49.119 is Michael Collins Piper. 14 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:53.399 Now, how many here have actually read Final Judgments? 15 00:00:53.799 --> 00:00:54.200 Okay? 16 00:00:54.799 --> 00:01:00.280 How many here have seen the movie JFK. Okay, that's 17 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:03.119 a good starting point. I always anytime I start off 18 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:06.200 talking about the book, I like to get a handle 19 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:10.640 on what people know about Kennedy Assassination, because, like I 20 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:15.239 was telling somebody earlier today, I'm not a Kennedy Assassination buff. 21 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:18.000 I never have been. If anything, I'll tell you what 22 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:21.120 I'm a man ahead of my time when I was 23 00:01:21.159 --> 00:01:21.719 in college. 24 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:24.079 I want a boo book collector's. 25 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:26.840 Contest with my books about sinking of the Titanic. And 26 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:28.599 if I'd have been smart, I would have figured out 27 00:01:28.640 --> 00:01:30.799 a way to make millions of dollars on like making 28 00:01:30.799 --> 00:01:33.760 a movie about it, to sow they hit thing for 29 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:38.079 all time. So unfortunately I have areas of interest like that, 30 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:44.040 I'm not one of these JFK enthusiasts or anything like that. 31 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:47.560 I read all, virtually all the mainstream books in the subject. 32 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:51.719 You know, I never had any real strong views about 33 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:54.599 it one way or another. So you can't paint me 34 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:57.760 in that corner. Now you can, I suppose, paint me 35 00:01:57.760 --> 00:02:00.760 in the corner being a quote unquote right wing lunatic 36 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:03.640 or right wing nut because I work for the Spotlight. 37 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:09.159 But there's a little bit of a problem there. Because 38 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:11.199 of the fact that I do work for the Spotlight, 39 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:16.199 I have a certain independence in writing about the JFK 40 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:18.919 assassination that a lot of people don't have because The 41 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:23.599 Spotlight has already been so thoroughly targeted and smeared. It's 42 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:27.360 anti Semitic, it's Holocaust denial, all this, and that we've 43 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:30.680 all heard it, you know, all the stories, So anything 44 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:35.199 I write is automatically suspect anyway. So I really am 45 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:37.479 probably one of the few people in the country who 46 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:42.000 could if in fact, the Israeli Massad did kill John F. Kennedy, 47 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:43.759 as I believe they did, or they played a part 48 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:46.080 in the conspiracy, I should say I'm probably the only 49 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:49.000 person in the country who has the luxury of being 50 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:51.360 able to write a book on the subject and then 51 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:52.960 still get up in the morning and go to my 52 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:55.520 job and know that I won't be fired for writing 53 00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:58.719 the book. So there's a lot of other people who 54 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:02.719 have looked into the JFKs assassination who know precisely what 55 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:05.120 I have talked about in the book. They know it's true, 56 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:07.560 but they won't touch it with a ten foot poll 57 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:11.439 because these people don't work for an independent newspaper like 58 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:14.159 The Spotlight. Some of these people, you know, one guy's 59 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:18.400 a he was a college professor down in Texas. There's 60 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:21.000 a couple of people who are for a newspaper man 61 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:24.080 or their you know, computer analysts or something. They work 62 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:28.919 for organizations and companies that if they wrote a book 63 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:31.639 and they told everything they knew, their company would get 64 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:34.439 a phone call from Dare I say it, the Anti 65 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:37.360 Defamation League of the named britt and the ABL would say, 66 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:39.719 you know, one of your employees is saying that the 67 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:43.439 Mosade was involved in the Kennedy assassination, and your customers 68 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:47.800 wouldn't like that. So you see, there's where my independence 69 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:49.759 comes in. I have the luxury of being able to 70 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:53.719 say this, Am I right? I don't know, I could 71 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:56.479 be wrong, But the bottom line of it, I don't 72 00:03:56.479 --> 00:03:58.800 think that I am, frankly, But the bottom line of 73 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:03.120 it is all information and that I have put together 74 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:07.439 in the perception of those who have read the book, 75 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:09.879 and that includes people who've read all the other books 76 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:13.400 in the subject. The most common response that I get 77 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:16.600 is they say, I've read all the other books in 78 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:19.480 the subject, yours is the only one that ties it 79 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:22.120 all together. And you know, on the back of the 80 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:27.560 book there's some advertising copies, some promotional copy of the 81 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:30.600 third edition. It says, once you've read this book, you'll 82 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:31.920 never look at the JFK. 83 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:33.800 Assassination in the same way again. 84 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:37.519 And that's my personal guarantee to anybody who does read 85 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:39.959 the book. Now, you know, I put a lot of 86 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:44.959 interesting things here together because I normally don't speak with notes. 87 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:48.519 But you know, I've been subjected to so much abuse 88 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:52.040 by the Anti Defamation League and the Israeli lobby for 89 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:54.879 things that I have said and for things that I 90 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:58.879 haven't said that I thought i'd take an opportunity to 91 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:01.560 speak before this. It's about some of the things that 92 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:07.000 they're just doing in general that I don't like. And 93 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:09.279 it's because of the fact that I don't like what 94 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:11.399 they're doing that I decided I was going to come 95 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:14.879 out here to California, because if I was, I've reached 96 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:17.439 more people. You know, people who read my book. They've 97 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:19.240 read the book. They either like it or they don't. 98 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:22.120 The people who don't like it are not able to 99 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:24.600 come back at me and say what's wrong with it. 100 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:28.480 All they say is, oh, it's awful. He's a Holocaust denier. Well, 101 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:30.480 I told somebody the other day. I told the Los 102 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:33.160 Angeles Times this. In fact, you know, first of all, 103 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:38.079 my book is not about the Holocaust. Even if it 104 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:42.680 was about the Holocaust. I mean, even if I did 105 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:46.360 deny the Holocaust, what my views are on the Holocaust 106 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:49.879 are or are not, have absolutely nothing to do with 107 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:52.839 my book. And this guy from the Los Angeles Time 108 00:05:52.879 --> 00:05:54.879 says to me, He says, well, what are your views 109 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:58.279 on the Holocaust? You know what I told him. 110 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:00.399 I really don't care about the hall cost. 111 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:07.000 It's boring enough already. It happened fifteen years before I 112 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:11.000 was born. My father and three of his brothers were 113 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:13.439 in the US military, which means they were involved in 114 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:18.480 Holocaust rescue activities. So I don't feel guilty about the Holocaust. 115 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:22.519 I wrote a book about the JFK assassination, so let's 116 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:24.959 talk about it. And you know, they really don't like 117 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:28.839 me to talk that way, because at the very least 118 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:30.879 they want me to argue with them and say, well, 119 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:33.800 you know there were no Jews guest here, or you 120 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:36.480 know there were five million who died, not six million. 121 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:38.480 I'm not going to get into that debate because I'm 122 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:41.600 not a scholar on the subject. There's anybody anybody wants 123 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:43.439 to know about the Holocaust. I can give them some 124 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:45.839 very good sources on both sides, and they can read 125 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:49.439 it for themselves. I wrote about the JFK assassination. So 126 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:51.720 what do I do When Steve, poor old Steve Frog 127 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:54.199 invites me down in Orange County. They don't say his 128 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:57.120 book is wrong. They say, no, he's a Holocaust denier. 129 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:01.439 Now why did they Why do they change a focus? 130 00:07:02.439 --> 00:07:05.199 They obviously changed the focus for a reason because they 131 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:08.000 don't want people to look at that book. And I 132 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:11.360 think it's hilarious the very weak that this happened when 133 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:13.839 they when they kicked up such a fuss that was 134 00:07:13.959 --> 00:07:18.800 banned Books Week sponsored by the National Library Association. Now 135 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:21.199 I kind of find some irony there. I don't know 136 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:23.959 if the ADL does. I don't think they do. I 137 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:28.240 don't credit the ADL with thinking like normal human beings 138 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:31.560 because the people who constitute that organization, it is a 139 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:34.879 criminal organization. They're not They're not like we are. They're 140 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:38.560 not like anybody else for that matter. But like I say, 141 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:41.439 I obviously have said some things that they don't like, 142 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:44.720 and it must be on point. But now here's what's 143 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:47.120 really interesting. I'm going to read you a quote from 144 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:51.680 the ADL. Now, they have attacked final judgment, as you 145 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:55.040 all know. But what was very interesting, what was very 146 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:59.279 very interesting was that when this eruption broke out down 147 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:03.120 an Orange Can they had to adopt the new position 148 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:08.680 on the jfk assassination. The ADL was saying, oh, well, 149 00:08:08.759 --> 00:08:11.920 there are a lot of responsible conspiracy theorists. It's the 150 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:14.800 first time I ever heard the ADL say the conspiracy 151 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:18.639 theories were responsible. They actually said that, Well, there are 152 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:21.360 a lot of mainstream conspiracy theorists who could have been 153 00:08:21.399 --> 00:08:24.199 invited rather than mister Piper. That's what they said to 154 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:24.759 the public. 155 00:08:25.279 --> 00:08:25.720 Okay. 156 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:29.720 In other words, well mister Piper's not mainstream, but some 157 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:33.200 conspiracy theorists are, so don't invite him. Well, here is 158 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:37.879 what Abe Foxman, the head of the ADL, said several 159 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:39.679 years ago before he knew I was going to be. 160 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:42.679 Invited Orange County. This is very interesting. 161 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:48.639 If segments of the population are really willing to believe 162 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.320 that President Kennedy was killed by the military industrial complex 163 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:56.679 because he was too soft on communism, or that a 164 00:08:56.720 --> 00:09:01.080 secret group of Bavarian Freemasons has controlled secular left for 165 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:04.039 more than two hundred years, then it is not hard 166 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:06.720 to imagine some of the same people falling for the 167 00:09:06.759 --> 00:09:09.279 lives of Bradley Smith. I think a lot of you 168 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:12.720 know who Bradley Smith is, or the fabrications of Lewis 169 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:17.720 Farakahn and Leonard Jeffries. All of these conspiracy theories share 170 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:22.200 the core feature that the quote unquote research which supports 171 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:24.639 them a little more in fact, and a compendium of 172 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:27.320 anecdotes divorced from their original context. 173 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:28.120 That's a mouthful. 174 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:33.679 Is rigged to arrive at predetermined conclusions, not historical revelations 175 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:34.600 or insights. 176 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:36.399 Now that is a mouthful. 177 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:39.279 But what they're saying is that even if you believe 178 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:43.600 that the military industrial complex, whatever the military industrial complex is, 179 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:46.279 if you believe that they were involved in the JFK assassination, 180 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.360 then you believe something that you shouldn't believe. That's what 181 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:54.559 they say in some crazy book. It's not crazy to them, though, 182 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:59.080 but anti Semitism in America outspoken experts explode the miss 183 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:03.320 a book that only a Semite or an anti Semite, 184 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:06.799 I suppose, would read, not a normal human being. Needless 185 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:10.159 to say, this was their in house party line before 186 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:12.440 my book got out to the public. Then when my 187 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:15.080 book got out to the public, of course, they changed 188 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:17.559 their tune and decided that well, or at least they 189 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:19.759 told the public this, Well, it's okay to believe in 190 00:10:19.799 --> 00:10:23.039 conspiracy theories, but god forbid, you should believe in the 191 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:28.600 one that Mike Piper is promoting. Now that's kind of interesting, 192 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:31.559 you know, I understand I understand why. 193 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:32.600 They want to keep it quiet. 194 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:35.399 I mean, if you look at it, if they did it, 195 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:37.759 and I believe they did it, then they got to 196 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:40.840 keep that quiet because you know, there's a big thing here. 197 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:43.480 I would say that probably any of you in here 198 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:48.039 who were voting in nineteen sixty you probably didn't vote 199 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:51.840 for John F. Kennedy unless your views changed. And I 200 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:54.080 know as a child I used to get involved in 201 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:57.639 arguments with my father because I used to say things like, well, 202 00:10:57.679 --> 00:10:58.919 I'm glad they shot Kennedy. 203 00:10:58.960 --> 00:10:59.759 I knew that would. 204 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:02.399 Press his and then he get mad, Well, I'm not 205 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:03.919 glad they shot John kenn I'm. 206 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:06.840 Not glad that anybody gets shot. But that's what I 207 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:07.639 say to my father. 208 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:10.200 But the thing about it is, I could have never 209 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:15.360 imagined the things that I know about John F. Kennedy 210 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:18.600 today to be true at one time, Nor would i've 211 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:22.000 ever thought that I would have written a book saying, hey, 212 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:24.799 well Kennedy wasn't such a bad guy after all. And 213 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:26.519 that isn't really what I say in the book. I 214 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:29.240 do say that John F. Kennedy cut deals with the mob, 215 00:11:29.679 --> 00:11:32.720 he cut deals with the Israeli lobby. You know, he 216 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:35.559 cut a lot of deals to get elected president, and 217 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:39.360 then when he didn't exactly follow through on his deals, 218 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:42.960 particularly in the realm of his deals with Israel, he 219 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:51.399 got assassinated. Now where do you find the Israeli connection? Okay, 220 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:53.120 first of all, let me give you the motive, and 221 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:55.960 you have to read the book to get the full picture. 222 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:57.879 And I'm trying to break this down because it's a 223 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:02.519 very complicated thing. The bottom line of it is, the 224 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:07.600 bottom line motive for Israeli involvement is the fact. 225 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:07.960 That John F. 226 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:11.440 Kennedy was trying to stop Israel from building the nuclear bomb. 227 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:14.799 That was probably according to all the sources. They're not 228 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:21.679 right wing sources. We have Stephen Green who is Jewish, 229 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:26.279 Seymour Hersh who is Jewish, Andrew and Leslie Coburn they're 230 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:29.919 not Jewish, but their respected quote unquote mainstream liberal journalists. 231 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:32.799 They have all documented the fact that John F. Kennedy 232 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:35.559 was involved in a behind the scenes war with Israel 233 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:39.519 over Israel's attempt to build a nuclear bomb. Now, everybody 234 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:41.679 knows that John F. Kennedy had his troubles with the 235 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:46.360 CIA over Cuba, and everybody knows that the US got 236 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:51.159 involved in Vietnam after John F. Kennedy's assassination. What people 237 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:55.519 don't know unless they've read these rather esoteric books on 238 00:12:55.639 --> 00:12:59.720 US Middle East policy, is it, upon John F. Kennedy's assassination, 239 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:04.440 US policy towards Israel did a complete when one and 240 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:07.960 eighty degree turnaround, and as Stephen Green puts it, it 241 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:11.200 essentially made Israel the fifty first state. Now, that's all 242 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:14.080 well and good, it's all documented in the book. But 243 00:13:14.519 --> 00:13:17.039 just because that happened doesn't mean that there's an Israeli 244 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:18.240 connection the assassination. 245 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:21.080 I realize that, and. 246 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:26.039 My book does not. My book does not provide any 247 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:29.440 how should I put this. My book doesn't provide any 248 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:33.240 smoking gun. My book doesn't provide any evidence that could 249 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:36.399 bring an indictment against anybody. But what it does do 250 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:40.720 it assembles as much evidence, as much detail, as much, 251 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:48.440 probably more so information about the conspiracy, the depth and 252 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:51.720 breadth of the conspiracy as any other book on the subject. 253 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:55.759 And that, as I say, is probably a strong point. 254 00:13:55.840 --> 00:14:00.720 And that is where the actual Israeli connection comes in 255 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:07.399 in the assassination conspiracy. Now, much of my thesis is 256 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:11.320 based around the role of Clay Shaw. Now, if you 257 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:14.240 saw the movie jfk you know who clay Shaw was. 258 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:18.120 I'm going to dissect the clay Shaw connection here because 259 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:20.799 it is important, but I do want to I do 260 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:23.200 want to digress for a moment and say this because 261 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:26.799 it's important to emphasize it that clay Shaw. If clay 262 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:31.480 Shaw had never existed, if he had never been alive, 263 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:36.519 my thesis would still stand. But the fact is that 264 00:14:36.559 --> 00:14:39.200 clay Shaw did live. And if you look at the 265 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:43.480 clay Shaw connection, you do see very clearly than the 266 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:44.440 Massade connection. 267 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:47.519 And I do believe Jim Garrison was right. 268 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:50.200 I do believe that clay Shaw was connected in some 269 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:53.879 way to the conspiracy. I don't necessarily believe that clay 270 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:56.919 Shaw knew that John F. Kennedy was going to be assassinated, 271 00:14:57.240 --> 00:14:59.720 I mean more than Lee Harvey Oswald did. But I 272 00:14:59.759 --> 00:15:02.759 do believed that clay Shaw was involved in some way 273 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:07.320 with the elements that were involved in the actual mechanics 274 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:10.279 of the conspiracy and the planning of the conspiracy, and 275 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:13.720 that as a consequence of that, that's how Jim Garrison, 276 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:16.679 as District Attorney of New Orleans came up with his name. 277 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:20.159 And maybe when clay Shaw said that, you know, when 278 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:23.639 he proclaimed his innocence. Maybe he truly believed he was innocent. 279 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:26.080 But there were a lot of people who were linked 280 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:30.320 in some way to the jfk assassination, who because they 281 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:32.559 happened to be in a certain place at a certain time. 282 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:37.159 People always say, Aha, that's the proof. Now. I mentioned 283 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:41.200 earlier today at a meeting where I spoke that for 284 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:44.879 years I've been reading that the proof that Richard Nixon 285 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:47.559 was involved in the jfk assassination conspiracy. 286 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:49.759 That's I put the word proof in. 287 00:15:49.759 --> 00:15:52.879 Quotes, was that Nixon was in Dallas to day Kennedy 288 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:57.039 was killed. Well, there were a lot of people when Dallas. 289 00:15:56.720 --> 00:15:57.960 That day Kennedy was killed. 290 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:00.559 Well, guess who I just found out a few days 291 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:04.519 ago was in Dallas the day Kennedy was killed. Yitzakrabine, 292 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:08.480 the future Prime Minister of Israel. Now, like I say, 293 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:11.679 that's an interesting little detail. It doesn't prove that he 294 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:14.080 was involved in the conspiracy. It doesn't prove that the 295 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:17.399 Israelis were involved in the conspiracy. But it's a detail 296 00:16:17.799 --> 00:16:22.279 that nobody knows about, whereas everybody knows about the Richard 297 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:24.240 Nixon thing. It's he's this is the kind of thing. 298 00:16:24.279 --> 00:16:29.360 What I constantly tell people is that the basic stories 299 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:34.000 you get about the JFK assassination conspiracy, they give you 300 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:37.440 part of the picture. You don't get the full picture. 301 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:39.519 You know you're looking or they tell you to look 302 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:42.840 over here, when in fact you should be looking over here. 303 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:46.759 And in the new edition of my book, I put 304 00:16:46.799 --> 00:16:50.279 together a couple of charts that I think I'm going 305 00:16:50.360 --> 00:16:52.279 to try to use this blackboard here, and I hope 306 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:55.000 I don't see there's any racer. I'm glad you have 307 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:57.279 it here because I think maybe I can. I can 308 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:01.120 explain my theory best by giving you a few little drawings, 309 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:03.399 and I can draw fairly well, so this might work. 310 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:09.400 I have one theory, which I call the Masad box theory. 311 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:15.519 See this box, it's pretty box right here. That's the 312 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:21.440 Masad connection to the JFK conspiracy. 313 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:22.799 My box. 314 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:25.720 You can easily fit the CIA did it theory in there. 315 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:28.880 You can put the theory that the mafia did it. 316 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:33.759 You can put the French connection in there, I believe 317 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:35.480 it or not. You can even put the right wingers 318 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:38.720 in there. And I'll explained that in a minute, because 319 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:39.079 that's a. 320 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:41.519 Very interesting story. All of these. 321 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:44.160 Things, taken together, can be put together and put. 322 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:45.799 In this massade box. 323 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:49.599 And they all fit in there, very snugly and together, 324 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:52.519 and they don't contradict one another. But the one thing 325 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:55.839 that they all have in common which ties them together 326 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:59.400 is the Israeli connection. Now, I know everybody here is 327 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:04.200 worried about right wing connection to the County assassination. You're thinking, hmm, 328 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:07.799 I wonder if I know anybody who was involved. Well, now, 329 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:13.960 everybody saw ed Asner play Guy Banister. Well, now, every 330 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:17.000 time I read about Guy Banister being when he's liberals 331 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:21.079 write these books about the JFK assassination, they say, ah, 332 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:24.079 it had to be a right wing conspiracy because Guy 333 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:28.200 Banister was involved, and he probably was. Guy Banister was 334 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:32.400 former FBI, he was mixed up with the CIA, he 335 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:34.279 was mixed up with everybody. He's mixed up with some 336 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:38.319 right wingers in New Orleans. I hate to mention this name, 337 00:18:38.359 --> 00:18:40.440 but you know you know who two of his good 338 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:46.039 friends were in New Orleans, husband and wife team Kent 339 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:55.400 and Phoebe Courtney. I think she's still alive. Well, I'll 340 00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:59.599 tell you this much about Kent and Phoebe Courtney. For years, 341 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:02.440 a lot of people on what you might call the 342 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:07.200 hard right. Frankly thought that Kent and Phoebe Courtney were 343 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:10.440 tied up with the Anti Defamation League because I do 344 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:13.640 know this much that even if they weren't on the 345 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:17.200 payroll of the ADL for years, they did a lot 346 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:20.880 of things to frustrate the work of people that. 347 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:25.559 The ADL didn't like. So if Guy Banister was a right. 348 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:30.559 Winger, he was a Kent Courtney, a Kent and Phoebe 349 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:32.079 Courtney kind of right winger. 350 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:36.319 He wasn't our Kui the right winger, so to speak. 351 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:40.599 Guy Banister also had another interesting contact in New Orleans. 352 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:46.720 And this guy was a right winger, very very anti communists. 353 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:53.960 And his name was b That was his nickname, the buttnick. 354 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:59.519 Do you know who this right winger was? He headed 355 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:00.279 the ADL. 356 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:01.400 In New Orleans. 357 00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:05.440 Now, poor old Steve Frogue was quoted in the Los 358 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:08.720 Angeles Times as saying he thought that the ADL was 359 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:13.240 behind kennedy assassination. That isn't what Steve frog said. What 360 00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:16.759 Steve Frogue, in an interview with the Los Angeles Times 361 00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:20.519 pointed out was that the New Orleans office of the ADL, 362 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:24.119 which was headed by b. 363 00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:26.279 Bontnik, that was his nickname. 364 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:32.920 Had one particular specialty at that time, spying on left 365 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:37.599 wing civil rights groups. And guess what. That's what Guy 366 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:41.759 Banister liked to do. And guess what that's what Kent 367 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:44.920 and Phoebe Courtney, guy Banister's good friends liked to do. 368 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:49.160 And guess what. Spying on left wing groups is what 369 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:51.720 Lee Harvey Oswald was knowing when he was running around 370 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:55.119 the New Orleans setting up his own left wing group. 371 00:20:55.799 --> 00:21:01.319 So is it a conspiracy theory? It's a theory, This, 372 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:06.400 I admit is a theory. It's speculation. But I wouldn't 373 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:08.759 be a bit surprised if when poor old Lee Harvey 374 00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:11.640 Oswald was running around down in New Orleans prior to 375 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:16.079 the Kennedy assassination, he thought he was spying on left 376 00:21:16.079 --> 00:21:22.960 wing groups for Guy Banister, and Guy Banister had a 377 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:28.480 detective agency that did contract work for b Botneck of 378 00:21:28.519 --> 00:21:32.799 the ad L. Now this is just a theory, mind you, 379 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:37.440 But bottom line of it is if there were right 380 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:40.480 wingers like Guy Banister and Kenton Phebe Courtney, I don't 381 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:42.279 think they were involved in the conspiracy. I'm not even 382 00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:44.599 sure he was involved in the conspiracy either, but they 383 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:47.440 were associated with Oswald. The bottom line of it is 384 00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:50.279 if the right wing quote unquote was involved in the 385 00:21:50.359 --> 00:21:54.480 JFK assassination, the right wingers who were involved were hooked 386 00:21:54.519 --> 00:21:57.799 up to this group right here. So that's just a 387 00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:01.519 little detail that I know, when published in detail in 388 00:22:01.559 --> 00:22:04.720 my book, the fourth edition of the book, there's going 389 00:22:04.759 --> 00:22:08.079 to be a lot of people who are very upset, 390 00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:10.759 and they're gonna be These left wingers have been promoting 391 00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:13.200 this theory for the right wing that the right wing 392 00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:16.920 was behind it because the right wingers are all connected. 393 00:22:21.799 --> 00:22:22.519 With Israel. 394 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:26.000 And that's very simple. That's kind of scary. That's one 395 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:29.079 little model of this. Now let's get down to the 396 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:32.559 real model, which really ties it all together, and it 397 00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:35.640 shows you how it shows you how very simple my 398 00:22:35.720 --> 00:22:39.680 book is a lot of people paint these conspiracies about 399 00:22:39.680 --> 00:22:43.960 the JFK assassination that are remarkably complex, and it's. 400 00:22:43.799 --> 00:22:44.200 Like you have. 401 00:22:46.400 --> 00:22:49.160