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Speaker 1: George Hobbs.
Speaker 2: Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time
Speaker 2: for another edition of our classic audio series, and tonight
Speaker 2: we're going back to nineteen ninety eight and it's Michael
Speaker 2: Collins Piper giving a lecture about his book Final Judgment,
Speaker 2: and he talks about the Masad connection to the JFK assassination.
Speaker 2: Not a very long episode today, about forty five minutes,
Speaker 2: but it's a chuck full of information. I hope you
Speaker 2: enjoy it. God bless everyone. Have a great week. It
Speaker 2: should be an interesting one. Without any further ado, here
Speaker 2: is Michael Collins Piper.
Speaker 1: Now, how many here have actually read Final Judgments?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: How many here have seen the movie JFK. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: a good starting point. I always anytime I start off
Speaker 1: talking about the book, I like to get a handle
Speaker 1: on what people know about Kennedy Assassination, because, like I
Speaker 1: was telling somebody earlier today, I'm not a Kennedy Assassination buff.
Speaker 1: I never have been. If anything, I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: I'm a man ahead of my time when I was
Speaker 1: in college.
Speaker 3: I want a boo book collector's.
Speaker 1: Contest with my books about sinking of the Titanic. And
Speaker 1: if I'd have been smart, I would have figured out
Speaker 1: a way to make millions of dollars on like making
Speaker 1: a movie about it, to sow they hit thing for
Speaker 1: all time. So unfortunately I have areas of interest like that,
Speaker 1: I'm not one of these JFK enthusiasts or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I read all, virtually all the mainstream books in the subject.
Speaker 1: You know, I never had any real strong views about
Speaker 1: it one way or another. So you can't paint me
Speaker 1: in that corner. Now you can, I suppose, paint me
Speaker 1: in the corner being a quote unquote right wing lunatic
Speaker 1: or right wing nut because I work for the Spotlight.
Speaker 1: But there's a little bit of a problem there. Because
Speaker 1: of the fact that I do work for the Spotlight,
Speaker 1: I have a certain independence in writing about the JFK
Speaker 1: assassination that a lot of people don't have because The
Speaker 1: Spotlight has already been so thoroughly targeted and smeared. It's
Speaker 1: anti Semitic, it's Holocaust denial, all this, and that we've
Speaker 1: all heard it, you know, all the stories, So anything
Speaker 1: I write is automatically suspect anyway. So I really am
Speaker 1: probably one of the few people in the country who
Speaker 1: could if in fact, the Israeli Massad did kill John F. Kennedy,
Speaker 1: as I believe they did, or they played a part
Speaker 1: in the conspiracy, I should say I'm probably the only
Speaker 1: person in the country who has the luxury of being
Speaker 1: able to write a book on the subject and then
Speaker 1: still get up in the morning and go to my
Speaker 1: job and know that I won't be fired for writing
Speaker 1: the book. So there's a lot of other people who
Speaker 1: have looked into the JFKs assassination who know precisely what
Speaker 1: I have talked about in the book. They know it's true,
Speaker 1: but they won't touch it with a ten foot poll
Speaker 1: because these people don't work for an independent newspaper like
Speaker 1: The Spotlight. Some of these people, you know, one guy's
Speaker 1: a he was a college professor down in Texas. There's
Speaker 1: a couple of people who are for a newspaper man
Speaker 1: or their you know, computer analysts or something. They work
Speaker 1: for organizations and companies that if they wrote a book
Speaker 1: and they told everything they knew, their company would get
Speaker 1: a phone call from Dare I say it, the Anti
Speaker 1: Defamation League of the named britt and the ABL would say,
Speaker 1: you know, one of your employees is saying that the
Speaker 1: Mosade was involved in the Kennedy assassination, and your customers
Speaker 1: wouldn't like that. So you see, there's where my independence
Speaker 1: comes in. I have the luxury of being able to
Speaker 1: say this, Am I right? I don't know, I could
Speaker 1: be wrong, But the bottom line of it, I don't
Speaker 1: think that I am, frankly, But the bottom line of
Speaker 1: it is all information and that I have put together
Speaker 1: in the perception of those who have read the book,
Speaker 1: and that includes people who've read all the other books
Speaker 1: in the subject. The most common response that I get
Speaker 1: is they say, I've read all the other books in
Speaker 1: the subject, yours is the only one that ties it
Speaker 1: all together. And you know, on the back of the
Speaker 1: book there's some advertising copies, some promotional copy of the
Speaker 1: third edition. It says, once you've read this book, you'll
Speaker 1: never look at the JFK.
Speaker 3: Assassination in the same way again.
Speaker 1: And that's my personal guarantee to anybody who does read
Speaker 1: the book. Now, you know, I put a lot of
Speaker 1: interesting things here together because I normally don't speak with notes.
Speaker 1: But you know, I've been subjected to so much abuse
Speaker 1: by the Anti Defamation League and the Israeli lobby for
Speaker 1: things that I have said and for things that I
Speaker 1: haven't said that I thought i'd take an opportunity to
Speaker 1: speak before this. It's about some of the things that
Speaker 1: they're just doing in general that I don't like. And
Speaker 1: it's because of the fact that I don't like what
Speaker 1: they're doing that I decided I was going to come
Speaker 1: out here to California, because if I was, I've reached
Speaker 1: more people. You know, people who read my book. They've
Speaker 1: read the book. They either like it or they don't.
Speaker 1: The people who don't like it are not able to
Speaker 1: come back at me and say what's wrong with it.
Speaker 1: All they say is, oh, it's awful. He's a Holocaust denier. Well,
Speaker 1: I told somebody the other day. I told the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Times this. In fact, you know, first of all,
Speaker 1: my book is not about the Holocaust. Even if it
Speaker 1: was about the Holocaust. I mean, even if I did
Speaker 1: deny the Holocaust, what my views are on the Holocaust
Speaker 1: are or are not, have absolutely nothing to do with
Speaker 1: my book. And this guy from the Los Angeles Time
Speaker 1: says to me, He says, well, what are your views
Speaker 1: on the Holocaust? You know what I told him.
Speaker 3: I really don't care about the hall cost.
Speaker 1: It's boring enough already. It happened fifteen years before I
Speaker 1: was born. My father and three of his brothers were
Speaker 1: in the US military, which means they were involved in
Speaker 1: Holocaust rescue activities. So I don't feel guilty about the Holocaust.
Speaker 1: I wrote a book about the JFK assassination, so let's
Speaker 1: talk about it. And you know, they really don't like
Speaker 1: me to talk that way, because at the very least
Speaker 1: they want me to argue with them and say, well,
Speaker 1: you know there were no Jews guest here, or you
Speaker 1: know there were five million who died, not six million.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into that debate because I'm
Speaker 1: not a scholar on the subject. There's anybody anybody wants
Speaker 1: to know about the Holocaust. I can give them some
Speaker 1: very good sources on both sides, and they can read
Speaker 1: it for themselves. I wrote about the JFK assassination. So
Speaker 1: what do I do When Steve, poor old Steve Frog
Speaker 1: invites me down in Orange County. They don't say his
Speaker 1: book is wrong. They say, no, he's a Holocaust denier.
Speaker 1: Now why did they Why do they change a focus?
Speaker 1: They obviously changed the focus for a reason because they
Speaker 1: don't want people to look at that book. And I
Speaker 1: think it's hilarious the very weak that this happened when
Speaker 1: they when they kicked up such a fuss that was
Speaker 1: banned Books Week sponsored by the National Library Association. Now
Speaker 1: I kind of find some irony there. I don't know
Speaker 1: if the ADL does. I don't think they do. I
Speaker 1: don't credit the ADL with thinking like normal human beings
Speaker 1: because the people who constitute that organization, it is a
Speaker 1: criminal organization. They're not They're not like we are. They're
Speaker 1: not like anybody else for that matter. But like I say,
Speaker 1: I obviously have said some things that they don't like,
Speaker 1: and it must be on point. But now here's what's
Speaker 1: really interesting. I'm going to read you a quote from
Speaker 1: the ADL. Now, they have attacked final judgment, as you
Speaker 1: all know. But what was very interesting, what was very
Speaker 1: very interesting was that when this eruption broke out down
Speaker 1: an Orange Can they had to adopt the new position
Speaker 1: on the jfk assassination. The ADL was saying, oh, well,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of responsible conspiracy theorists. It's the
Speaker 1: first time I ever heard the ADL say the conspiracy
Speaker 1: theories were responsible. They actually said that, Well, there are
Speaker 1: a lot of mainstream conspiracy theorists who could have been
Speaker 1: invited rather than mister Piper. That's what they said to
Speaker 1: the public.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: In other words, well mister Piper's not mainstream, but some
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists are, so don't invite him. Well, here is
Speaker 1: what Abe Foxman, the head of the ADL, said several
Speaker 1: years ago before he knew I was going to be.
Speaker 3: Invited Orange County. This is very interesting.
Speaker 1: If segments of the population are really willing to believe
Speaker 1: that President Kennedy was killed by the military industrial complex
Speaker 1: because he was too soft on communism, or that a
Speaker 1: secret group of Bavarian Freemasons has controlled secular left for
Speaker 1: more than two hundred years, then it is not hard
Speaker 1: to imagine some of the same people falling for the
Speaker 1: lives of Bradley Smith. I think a lot of you
Speaker 1: know who Bradley Smith is, or the fabrications of Lewis
Speaker 1: Farakahn and Leonard Jeffries. All of these conspiracy theories share
Speaker 1: the core feature that the quote unquote research which supports
Speaker 1: them a little more in fact, and a compendium of
Speaker 1: anecdotes divorced from their original context.
Speaker 3: That's a mouthful.
Speaker 1: Is rigged to arrive at predetermined conclusions, not historical revelations
Speaker 1: or insights.
Speaker 3: Now that is a mouthful.
Speaker 1: But what they're saying is that even if you believe
Speaker 1: that the military industrial complex, whatever the military industrial complex is,
Speaker 1: if you believe that they were involved in the JFK assassination,
Speaker 1: then you believe something that you shouldn't believe. That's what
Speaker 1: they say in some crazy book. It's not crazy to them, though,
Speaker 1: but anti Semitism in America outspoken experts explode the miss
Speaker 1: a book that only a Semite or an anti Semite,
Speaker 1: I suppose, would read, not a normal human being. Needless
Speaker 1: to say, this was their in house party line before
Speaker 1: my book got out to the public. Then when my
Speaker 1: book got out to the public, of course, they changed
Speaker 1: their tune and decided that well, or at least they
Speaker 1: told the public this, Well, it's okay to believe in
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, but god forbid, you should believe in the
Speaker 1: one that Mike Piper is promoting. Now that's kind of interesting,
Speaker 1: you know, I understand I understand why.
Speaker 3: They want to keep it quiet.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at it, if they did it,
Speaker 1: and I believe they did it, then they got to
Speaker 1: keep that quiet because you know, there's a big thing here.
Speaker 1: I would say that probably any of you in here
Speaker 1: who were voting in nineteen sixty you probably didn't vote
Speaker 1: for John F. Kennedy unless your views changed. And I
Speaker 1: know as a child I used to get involved in
Speaker 1: arguments with my father because I used to say things like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad they shot Kennedy.
Speaker 3: I knew that would.
Speaker 1: Press his and then he get mad, Well, I'm not
Speaker 1: glad they shot John kenn I'm.
Speaker 3: Not glad that anybody gets shot. But that's what I
Speaker 3: say to my father.
Speaker 1: But the thing about it is, I could have never
Speaker 1: imagined the things that I know about John F. Kennedy
Speaker 1: today to be true at one time, Nor would i've
Speaker 1: ever thought that I would have written a book saying, hey,
Speaker 1: well Kennedy wasn't such a bad guy after all. And
Speaker 1: that isn't really what I say in the book. I
Speaker 1: do say that John F. Kennedy cut deals with the mob,
Speaker 1: he cut deals with the Israeli lobby. You know, he
Speaker 1: cut a lot of deals to get elected president, and
Speaker 1: then when he didn't exactly follow through on his deals,
Speaker 1: particularly in the realm of his deals with Israel, he
Speaker 1: got assassinated. Now where do you find the Israeli connection? Okay,
Speaker 1: first of all, let me give you the motive, and
Speaker 1: you have to read the book to get the full picture.
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to break this down because it's a
Speaker 1: very complicated thing. The bottom line of it is, the
Speaker 1: bottom line motive for Israeli involvement is the fact.
Speaker 3: That John F.
Speaker 1: Kennedy was trying to stop Israel from building the nuclear bomb.
Speaker 1: That was probably according to all the sources. They're not
Speaker 1: right wing sources. We have Stephen Green who is Jewish,
Speaker 1: Seymour Hersh who is Jewish, Andrew and Leslie Coburn they're
Speaker 1: not Jewish, but their respected quote unquote mainstream liberal journalists.
Speaker 1: They have all documented the fact that John F. Kennedy
Speaker 1: was involved in a behind the scenes war with Israel
Speaker 1: over Israel's attempt to build a nuclear bomb. Now, everybody
Speaker 1: knows that John F. Kennedy had his troubles with the
Speaker 1: CIA over Cuba, and everybody knows that the US got
Speaker 1: involved in Vietnam after John F. Kennedy's assassination. What people
Speaker 1: don't know unless they've read these rather esoteric books on
Speaker 1: US Middle East policy, is it, upon John F. Kennedy's assassination,
Speaker 1: US policy towards Israel did a complete when one and
Speaker 1: eighty degree turnaround, and as Stephen Green puts it, it
Speaker 1: essentially made Israel the fifty first state. Now, that's all
Speaker 1: well and good, it's all documented in the book. But
Speaker 1: just because that happened doesn't mean that there's an Israeli
Speaker 1: connection the assassination.
Speaker 3: I realize that, and.
Speaker 1: My book does not. My book does not provide any
Speaker 1: how should I put this. My book doesn't provide any
Speaker 1: smoking gun. My book doesn't provide any evidence that could
Speaker 1: bring an indictment against anybody. But what it does do
Speaker 1: it assembles as much evidence, as much detail, as much,
Speaker 1: probably more so information about the conspiracy, the depth and
Speaker 1: breadth of the conspiracy as any other book on the subject.
Speaker 1: And that, as I say, is probably a strong point.
Speaker 1: And that is where the actual Israeli connection comes in
Speaker 1: in the assassination conspiracy. Now, much of my thesis is
Speaker 1: based around the role of Clay Shaw. Now, if you
Speaker 1: saw the movie jfk you know who clay Shaw was.
Speaker 1: I'm going to dissect the clay Shaw connection here because
Speaker 1: it is important, but I do want to I do
Speaker 1: want to digress for a moment and say this because
Speaker 1: it's important to emphasize it that clay Shaw. If clay
Speaker 1: Shaw had never existed, if he had never been alive,
Speaker 1: my thesis would still stand. But the fact is that
Speaker 1: clay Shaw did live. And if you look at the
Speaker 1: clay Shaw connection, you do see very clearly than the
Speaker 1: Massade connection.
Speaker 3: And I do believe Jim Garrison was right.
Speaker 1: I do believe that clay Shaw was connected in some
Speaker 1: way to the conspiracy. I don't necessarily believe that clay
Speaker 1: Shaw knew that John F. Kennedy was going to be assassinated,
Speaker 1: I mean more than Lee Harvey Oswald did. But I
Speaker 1: do believed that clay Shaw was involved in some way
Speaker 1: with the elements that were involved in the actual mechanics
Speaker 1: of the conspiracy and the planning of the conspiracy, and
Speaker 1: that as a consequence of that, that's how Jim Garrison,
Speaker 1: as District Attorney of New Orleans came up with his name.
Speaker 1: And maybe when clay Shaw said that, you know, when
Speaker 1: he proclaimed his innocence. Maybe he truly believed he was innocent.
Speaker 1: But there were a lot of people who were linked
Speaker 1: in some way to the jfk assassination, who because they
Speaker 1: happened to be in a certain place at a certain time.
Speaker 1: People always say, Aha, that's the proof. Now. I mentioned
Speaker 1: earlier today at a meeting where I spoke that for
Speaker 1: years I've been reading that the proof that Richard Nixon
Speaker 1: was involved in the jfk assassination conspiracy.
Speaker 3: That's I put the word proof in.
Speaker 1: Quotes, was that Nixon was in Dallas to day Kennedy
Speaker 1: was killed. Well, there were a lot of people when Dallas.
Speaker 3: That day Kennedy was killed.
Speaker 1: Well, guess who I just found out a few days
Speaker 1: ago was in Dallas the day Kennedy was killed. Yitzakrabine,
Speaker 1: the future Prime Minister of Israel. Now, like I say,
Speaker 1: that's an interesting little detail. It doesn't prove that he
Speaker 1: was involved in the conspiracy. It doesn't prove that the
Speaker 1: Israelis were involved in the conspiracy. But it's a detail
Speaker 1: that nobody knows about, whereas everybody knows about the Richard
Speaker 1: Nixon thing. It's he's this is the kind of thing.
Speaker 1: What I constantly tell people is that the basic stories
Speaker 1: you get about the JFK assassination conspiracy, they give you
Speaker 1: part of the picture. You don't get the full picture.
Speaker 1: You know you're looking or they tell you to look
Speaker 1: over here, when in fact you should be looking over here.
Speaker 1: And in the new edition of my book, I put
Speaker 1: together a couple of charts that I think I'm going
Speaker 1: to try to use this blackboard here, and I hope
Speaker 1: I don't see there's any racer. I'm glad you have
Speaker 1: it here because I think maybe I can. I can
Speaker 1: explain my theory best by giving you a few little drawings,
Speaker 1: and I can draw fairly well, so this might work.
Speaker 1: I have one theory, which I call the Masad box theory.
Speaker 1: See this box, it's pretty box right here. That's the
Speaker 1: Masad connection to the JFK conspiracy.
Speaker 3: My box.
Speaker 1: You can easily fit the CIA did it theory in there.
Speaker 1: You can put the theory that the mafia did it.
Speaker 1: You can put the French connection in there, I believe
Speaker 1: it or not. You can even put the right wingers
Speaker 1: in there. And I'll explained that in a minute, because
Speaker 1: that's a.
Speaker 3: Very interesting story. All of these.
Speaker 1: Things, taken together, can be put together and put.
Speaker 3: In this massade box.
Speaker 1: And they all fit in there, very snugly and together,
Speaker 1: and they don't contradict one another. But the one thing
Speaker 1: that they all have in common which ties them together
Speaker 1: is the Israeli connection. Now, I know everybody here is
Speaker 1: worried about right wing connection to the County assassination. You're thinking, hmm,
Speaker 1: I wonder if I know anybody who was involved. Well, now,
Speaker 1: everybody saw ed Asner play Guy Banister. Well, now, every
Speaker 1: time I read about Guy Banister being when he's liberals
Speaker 1: write these books about the JFK assassination, they say, ah,
Speaker 1: it had to be a right wing conspiracy because Guy
Speaker 1: Banister was involved, and he probably was. Guy Banister was
Speaker 1: former FBI, he was mixed up with the CIA, he
Speaker 1: was mixed up with everybody. He's mixed up with some
Speaker 1: right wingers in New Orleans. I hate to mention this name,
Speaker 1: but you know you know who two of his good
Speaker 1: friends were in New Orleans, husband and wife team Kent
Speaker 1: and Phoebe Courtney. I think she's still alive. Well, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you this much about Kent and Phoebe Courtney. For years,
Speaker 1: a lot of people on what you might call the
Speaker 1: hard right. Frankly thought that Kent and Phoebe Courtney were
Speaker 1: tied up with the Anti Defamation League because I do
Speaker 1: know this much that even if they weren't on the
Speaker 1: payroll of the ADL for years, they did a lot
Speaker 1: of things to frustrate the work of people that.
Speaker 3: The ADL didn't like. So if Guy Banister was a right.
Speaker 1: Winger, he was a Kent Courtney, a Kent and Phoebe
Speaker 1: Courtney kind of right winger.
Speaker 3: He wasn't our Kui the right winger, so to speak.
Speaker 1: Guy Banister also had another interesting contact in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: And this guy was a right winger, very very anti communists.
Speaker 1: And his name was b That was his nickname, the buttnick.
Speaker 1: Do you know who this right winger was? He headed
Speaker 1: the ADL.
Speaker 3: In New Orleans.
Speaker 1: Now, poor old Steve Frogue was quoted in the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Times as saying he thought that the ADL was
Speaker 1: behind kennedy assassination. That isn't what Steve frog said. What
Speaker 1: Steve Frogue, in an interview with the Los Angeles Times
Speaker 1: pointed out was that the New Orleans office of the ADL,
Speaker 1: which was headed by b.
Speaker 3: Bontnik, that was his nickname.
Speaker 1: Had one particular specialty at that time, spying on left
Speaker 1: wing civil rights groups. And guess what. That's what Guy
Speaker 1: Banister liked to do. And guess what that's what Kent
Speaker 1: and Phoebe Courtney, guy Banister's good friends liked to do.
Speaker 1: And guess what. Spying on left wing groups is what
Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Oswald was knowing when he was running around
Speaker 1: the New Orleans setting up his own left wing group.
Speaker 1: So is it a conspiracy theory? It's a theory, This,
Speaker 1: I admit is a theory. It's speculation. But I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be a bit surprised if when poor old Lee Harvey
Speaker 1: Oswald was running around down in New Orleans prior to
Speaker 1: the Kennedy assassination, he thought he was spying on left
Speaker 1: wing groups for Guy Banister, and Guy Banister had a
Speaker 1: detective agency that did contract work for b Botneck of
Speaker 1: the ad L. Now this is just a theory, mind you,
Speaker 1: But bottom line of it is if there were right
Speaker 1: wingers like Guy Banister and Kenton Phebe Courtney, I don't
Speaker 1: think they were involved in the conspiracy. I'm not even
Speaker 1: sure he was involved in the conspiracy either, but they
Speaker 1: were associated with Oswald. The bottom line of it is
Speaker 1: if the right wing quote unquote was involved in the
Speaker 1: JFK assassination, the right wingers who were involved were hooked
Speaker 1: up to this group right here. So that's just a
Speaker 1: little detail that I know, when published in detail in
Speaker 1: my book, the fourth edition of the book, there's going
Speaker 1: to be a lot of people who are very upset,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be These left wingers have been promoting
Speaker 1: this theory for the right wing that the right wing
Speaker 1: was behind it because the right wingers are all connected.
Speaker 3: With Israel.
Speaker 1: And that's very simple. That's kind of scary. That's one
Speaker 1: little model of this. Now let's get down to the
Speaker 1: real model, which really ties it all together, and it
Speaker 1: shows you how it shows you how very simple my
Speaker 1: book is a lot of people paint these conspiracies about
Speaker 1: the JFK assassination that are remarkably complex, and it's.
Speaker 3: Like you have.
Speaker 1: All sorts of people tripping over one another plotting to
Speaker 1: kill JFK. I don't think that was I don't think
Speaker 1: that was a big conspiracy at all. I keep saying
Speaker 1: this because I really think it's very simple and yet
Speaker 1: very profound. The people were who were involved in the conspiracy.
Speaker 1: They weren't one big, happy family. They were one small,
Speaker 1: happy family. And as I document in the book, he
Speaker 1: really took only a handful of people to set the
Speaker 1: conspiracy in motion. Now, let me share it. This clay
Speaker 1: Shaw connection.
Speaker 3: I've kind of been going around.
Speaker 1: It because those of you who are familiar with JFK
Speaker 1: know the basic theory about that Jim Garrison presented. Clay
Speaker 1: Shaw was a businessman. Let me refer to my notes
Speaker 1: here because I have a chart. This chart took me
Speaker 1: literally years to make, because I worked just because what
Speaker 1: finally came to me one afternoon, and I'm glad. I'm
Speaker 1: glad it did because I think it really ties it
Speaker 1: all together. And it is in the new edition of
Speaker 1: the book, so you're getting a real good preview.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 1: Here's Clay Shaw, the New Orleans businessman who was indicted
Speaker 1: by Jim Garrison. Now, Shaw was connected with Guy Banister,
Speaker 1: who I mentioned earlier, who in turn, of course, is
Speaker 1: connected with the ADL. Was also a gentleman named David Ferry.
Speaker 1: He was played by Joe Peshi in the movie.
Speaker 3: Of Course. You get down here to the lower level people.
Speaker 1: This chart, I'm not gonna give you the whole thing,
Speaker 1: because I don't want everybody to be confused. This is
Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Oswolds. Here's those Cuban exiles we keep hearing about. Okay,
Speaker 1: then you have the mafia. Everybody hears about Bob Mafia
Speaker 1: and Carlos Marcello, and he has the CIA, and of
Speaker 1: course the CIA they were involved to. Just as of
Speaker 1: course you can connect. You might getting confused by this.
Speaker 1: So far you'all able to follow along. I'll pass this
Speaker 1: chart out and so you can see it in detail,
Speaker 1: but I want to explain it up here.
Speaker 3: First. Here's the CIA.
Speaker 1: This is what what this picture right here.
Speaker 3: I would call this the New Orleans nexus.
Speaker 1: This is the and theired basic conspiracy theory on.
Speaker 3: A JFK assassination.
Speaker 1: Well, you had some Mafia elements, you had some CIA elements.
Speaker 1: They were connected, and they were all connected to the Cubans,
Speaker 1: and Oswald was connected. And then there was Clayshaw who
Speaker 1: was connected to the CIA, and Banister and Ferry and
Speaker 1: the mafia. This is the part that they leave out.
Speaker 1: It's very simple, but this is why they have to
Speaker 1: leave it out. Clayshaw, Guy Banister, and David Ferry were
Speaker 1: all jointly connected in their own fashion, but working together
Speaker 1: with a company.
Speaker 3: Based in Europe.
Speaker 1: I love this name.
Speaker 3: It's a great name. I wish I'd have thought of it.
Speaker 1: Myself, called Perman Dex. Now this company existed, This isn't
Speaker 1: a mythical company. Now. In the movie of JFK, you
Speaker 1: see the character playing Jim Garrison confront Clay Shaw and say, well,
Speaker 1: you served on a board of CIA front company called Permandecks,
Speaker 1: and clay Shaw says, oh, I would.
Speaker 3: I'm going to sue that's not true.
Speaker 1: Well, here's what Oliver Stone doesn't tell you about Perman Decks.
Speaker 1: The primary force behind Perman Decks, who's a guy named
Speaker 1: Tiber Rosenval. He headed the International Credit Bank of Geneva Switzerland.
Speaker 1: The International Credit Bank of Geneva Switzerland was the chief
Speaker 1: European money laundering operation for Mayor Lansky, which, of course
Speaker 1: he was the real boss of the mob. We call
Speaker 1: it the mafia because that's a good way to frame
Speaker 1: it on the Italian Americans. But Mayor Lansky Mayer Lansky
Speaker 1: ran organized crime. Mayor Lansky's body was type Mayor Lansky.
Speaker 1: Lloyd Bloomfield was also a prime mover behind the Israel
Speaker 1: lobby in Canada. So now here's the kicker for all this.
Speaker 1: When some of these quote unquote liberal JFK assassination researchers
Speaker 1: go so far as to even mentioned Perman Dex and
Speaker 1: maybe they'll mention Meyer Lansky and maybe even mentioned Louis Bloomfield,
Speaker 1: the one thing they.
Speaker 3: Forget to mention is he Israel a connection.
Speaker 1: Now, if you can believe this is even one guy
Speaker 1: who gets into Perman Dex and he says that Perman
Speaker 1: Dex was a Nazi front. Now, if Perman decks, okay,
Speaker 1: now let's just say he's right. Now, I can't say
Speaker 1: he's right. If Perman Dex is a Nazi front, then
Speaker 1: what's Typer Rosenbaum and Lloyd Bloomfield and the Bronckmann family,
Speaker 1: who are very anti Nazi from what I've heard lately,
Speaker 1: Why are they associated with Perman Dex. No, I still
Speaker 1: haven't really mentioned Israel. Because here's the here's here's the
Speaker 1: icing on the cake. This guy, Tiber Rosenbaum.
Speaker 3: And this is all documented in the book.
Speaker 1: It's taken from mainstream sources. Tiber Rosenbaum was one of
Speaker 1: the highest ranking long standing money launders and arms procurement
Speaker 1: officers for guess what the mossade?
Speaker 3: He is the Massad.
Speaker 1: In fact, I don't even need to add another box there.
Speaker 3: I could add another box there, but one.
Speaker 1: Of these reels newspapers when Tiber Rosenbaum got in trouble
Speaker 1: a few years ago, they said Tiber Rosenbaum is Israel.
Speaker 1: So without getting in the name, we'll just say, here's
Speaker 1: a massade right here, and Permandex is a Masad money
Speaker 1: laundering operation, and clay Shaw is connected to it, and
Speaker 1: die Banister is connected to it, and David Ferry is
Speaker 1: connected to it, and guess who's connected with them. So
Speaker 1: I don't think Lee Harvey Oswaald was involved in I
Speaker 1: don't think he shot John F.
Speaker 3: Kennedy.
Speaker 1: But if he did shoot John F. Kennedy, a real
Speaker 1: detective would say, well, let's see mixed up with clay Shaw.
Speaker 1: And he was working for clay Shaw, so well, who's
Speaker 1: clay Shaw mixed up with? Well, this is a thing.
Speaker 3: You're not allowed to mention any of this.
Speaker 1: My book mentions all that, and I'm sorry if that
Speaker 1: upsets people. But if they did it, they did it.
Speaker 1: And if I'm wrong, all I ask is that somebody
Speaker 1: come and prove me wrong. One way to prove me
Speaker 1: wrong is for to have let me speak. Let me
Speaker 1: pass this out. You can take a look at it
Speaker 1: close up. Please pass it around. Let's start over here.
Speaker 1: That's the chart that I've been showing up here and
Speaker 1: give you a better idea. If someone wants to prove
Speaker 1: me wrong, they should have let me come down there
Speaker 1: to that forum at Saddled College and let me speak
Speaker 1: because there was a guy there who claims that the Nazis.
Speaker 1: There was a guy who was supposed to speak who
Speaker 1: claims that the Nazis did it. Well, I would think
Speaker 1: that the ADL would want to prove the Nazis did it,
Speaker 1: so they should have let me talk and just, you know,
Speaker 1: show me where I'm wrong. That's all I've been asking,
Speaker 1: you know, if I'm wrong, I want to know.
Speaker 3: Where I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: I've had a couple of errors that I found in
Speaker 1: the book myself. One other air was brought to me,
Speaker 1: and one of the errors was I said that somebody
Speaker 1: was held in a prison in Morocco when it was
Speaker 1: really an Algeria or vice versa. I connect corrected that
Speaker 1: I said that somebody who knew le Oswald it turned
Speaker 1: out he didn't know le Oswald.
Speaker 3: I said that.
Speaker 1: One guy had been shot dead, when in fact he
Speaker 1: died in his bed, and I something else. So that's
Speaker 1: the gist of what the errors had been in my book.
Speaker 1: As I say, I found most of them myself, and
Speaker 1: the one air that I did find was based on
Speaker 1: a book written by a former FBI agent, So it
Speaker 1: was his, their or not mine.
Speaker 3: So the thing is, no.
Speaker 1: One has been able to come forth and show precisely
Speaker 1: where I'm wrong. I mean, that's all I asked for it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I thought that I was going
Speaker 1: to write whoops. I thought that I was going to
Speaker 1: write this, write this book. I'd get a certain amount
Speaker 1: of publicity in the spotlight. Then I get this invitation
Speaker 1: to come and speak down in Orange County. Little did
Speaker 1: I know that. Little I didn't. I didn't create that
Speaker 1: problem for Orange County. I wasn't the one who called
Speaker 1: up the press. I wasn't the one who was able
Speaker 1: to generate press reports all over the country. It was
Speaker 1: the ADL. You know, I do actually have them to
Speaker 1: thank for that, because I have my own little way
Speaker 1: of thanking the ADL for that. I wish, I hope
Speaker 1: there's somebody from the ADL here, because yeah, I want
Speaker 1: them to see that. In a new edition of the book,
Speaker 1: put a lot of good pictures in, some very interesting pictures,
Speaker 1: and one of those is, for some reason I don't
Speaker 1: have it, is a picture.
Speaker 3: Of Marshall Milchicker.
Speaker 1: She's a member of the board of advisors, a board
Speaker 1: of trustees down there, who's played a major part in this.
Speaker 1: She is also on the local board of the Antidefamation League.
Speaker 1: For some reason, I don't have that page out. I
Speaker 1: must have hand it out to gloat on it. I
Speaker 1: do see Oliver Stone's picture here. Now, I got to
Speaker 1: mention Oliver Stone. Oliver Stone went and made a very
Speaker 1: good movie. I thought the you know, great movie. A
Speaker 1: trip here in a moment made a great movie. He
Speaker 1: told a lot of things about the JFK conspiracy. There's
Speaker 1: one thing you got to keep in mind though about
Speaker 1: Oliver Stone. To get that movie made, he had to
Speaker 1: have some money. Now, when you're gonna make am that's
Speaker 1: why you have things that are called producers. Now, everybody
Speaker 1: thinks that Oliver Stone was the producer of the film.
Speaker 3: Actually he was.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what he did. I think he
Speaker 1: wrote the script. He may have directed it. I'm not
Speaker 1: even sure he was even the director. Anyway, you're all
Speaker 1: Hollywood and California people out here, so you guys know
Speaker 1: what producers are. Here's the name of the man who
Speaker 1: put up the money.
Speaker 3: For Oliver Stones.
Speaker 1: Film, and he put us up the money for a
Speaker 1: lot of good movies. I just saw a couple of
Speaker 1: his movies the other day on videos. Now, that's not
Speaker 1: Michael Milkin, that's Arnin Milkin. Now, has anyone ever here,
Speaker 1: unless you other than those who read the book, anyone
Speaker 1: here know who Arnin Milkin is. I hear regard somebody
Speaker 1: saying he was a Jew. Yeah, I believe he is.
Speaker 1: And the reason why I believe he probably is is because,
Speaker 1: according to Alexander Coburn writing in The Nation magazine, and
Speaker 1: as you know, the Nation is not a right wing
Speaker 1: extremist publication, Arnin Milkin, the man who financed JFK is
Speaker 1: quote unquote, I love writing this stuff down. Israel's biggest
Speaker 1: arms dealer. That's a fact, my friends. This is the
Speaker 1: man who financed the final judgment, so to speak, by
Speaker 1: the major media on the JFK assassination. Israel's biggest arms
Speaker 1: dealer and get a load of this. Guess what one
Speaker 1: of Arn and Milkin's side dabblings is.
Speaker 3: Of course, he's a movie producer and.
Speaker 1: Israel's biggest arms dealer, and he was also intimately involved
Speaker 1: in Israel's nuclear arms development. And as I think I
Speaker 1: mentioned to you earlier, it was Israel's nuclear arms development
Speaker 1: that was kind of.
Speaker 3: The sticking point between John F.
Speaker 1: Kennedy and Israel. So I think you understand why Oliver Stone,
Speaker 1: with Arn and Milken's money coming from Israel's arms dealing
Speaker 1: and also connected to Israel's nuclear development, would probably not
Speaker 1: want to get in to the Israeli connection. I think.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I'm maybe, maybe I'm.
Speaker 3: Maybe I am a conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 1: I don't know, But like I say, these are just
Speaker 1: little facts. These are little facts, and I want people
Speaker 1: to look at them. I want people to see a pattern.
Speaker 1: It seems like everywhere I turned around when I was
Speaker 1: researching the Kennedy assassination, I kept finding these Israeli connections.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the one that really entertained me because
Speaker 1: it's the one that I found literally the day.
Speaker 3: Before the book was supposed to go to print.
Speaker 1: Now, I would not put the burden of writing a
Speaker 1: book and seeing it through the publication upon any nice.
Speaker 3: Person, because it's a lot of work.
Speaker 1: And when you brust notes, when you have a manuscript
Speaker 1: in your hands, you know, and you've got it all
Speaker 1: tight set and everything. You know, if you're ready to
Speaker 1: roll with it, you know you want it to.
Speaker 3: Be done well.
Speaker 1: The day before final Judgment was to go to press,
Speaker 1: I saw something and I said, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: got to put this in the book. I have to
Speaker 1: put it in the book. Maybe you won't find this
Speaker 1: as significant as I do, but that to me at
Speaker 1: the time, it was very significant and it still is.
Speaker 1: When Jim Garrison and I found this detail. I found
Speaker 1: this detail right before the book was supposed to go
Speaker 1: to press. There's one thing bear with me. When Jim
Speaker 1: Garrison started investigating the jfk assassination, he knew nothing about Clayshaw.
Speaker 1: He saw that. If those of you saw the movie
Speaker 1: know that it was a process along process for him
Speaker 1: before Clayshaw's name or figured out who clay Shaw was,
Speaker 1: well before he'd gotten too clay Shaw.
Speaker 3: If he had any inkling of who clay Shaw was.
Speaker 1: He got a visit from a wealthy businessman named John King.
Speaker 1: Now John King has been written about, and this has
Speaker 1: been written about in books about Garrison by liberals who
Speaker 1: like what Garrison did. And they say, oh, John King,
Speaker 1: who was connected to Richard Nixon and connected to the
Speaker 1: Republican Party, came to visit Jim Garrison and tried to
Speaker 1: frustrate his investigation. That's a fact.
Speaker 3: King came down there and said, it's Garrison.
Speaker 1: You're very close, and there's a lot of people who
Speaker 1: would prefer that you would stop this investigation. We would
Speaker 1: appreciate it if you would, please, mister Garrison. He offered
Speaker 1: him a judge ship. Jim Garrison said, see the door. Now,
Speaker 1: like I say, all our liberal friends who are so
Speaker 1: determined to find out who killed John F. Kennedy, so
Speaker 1: determined that they don't want to look at anything I
Speaker 1: have to say. They keep saying John King was this
Speaker 1: Republican conservative. He probably was. Maybe he was a Republican.
Speaker 1: Maybe he did know Richard Nixon. Richard Nixon know a
Speaker 1: lot of people. But you know, it's even more significant.
Speaker 1: Here's John King. He's an American. You know who John
Speaker 1: King's business partner was. I hate to tell you this,
Speaker 1: I really hate to tell you this. Bernie Cornfeld of iOS,
Speaker 1: I hear a lot of laughing. They know who Bernie.
Speaker 1: A lot of people know who Bernie Cornfeld is. But see,
Speaker 1: here's the thing about Bernie Cornfeld. Oh yes, he's Joyish,
Speaker 1: Yeah he's Jewish. But but Bernie Cornfeld, I'm sorry, what, well,
Speaker 1: you're getting closer, Bernie, Bernie Cornfeld. Yeah, they got him
Speaker 1: for stock rob Bernie Cornfeld. At the same time, who
Speaker 1: was Tiboy and Rosenbaum front man? Cornfeld's operation iOS was
Speaker 1: basically a subsidiary of guess what Perman dex And this
Speaker 1: is before clay Shaw's name had ever been brought up.
Speaker 1: So tiber Rosenbaum's man, Bernie Cornfeld sent his business partner
Speaker 1: John King to see Jim Garrison. Well, the thing is,
Speaker 1: I'd heard about John King for years, but the day
Speaker 1: before the book was supposed to go to press, I
Speaker 1: just happened to be looking through an old newsletter actually
Speaker 1: published by Willis Carter, my boss, published back in the
Speaker 1: early nineteen seventies, and he just happened that he didn't
Speaker 1: write it himself. At one of his reporters having to
Speaker 1: mention the connection between John King and Bernie Cornfeld and
Speaker 1: tiber Rosencot. So my point of telling you that story
Speaker 1: is that I only discovered that the day before the
Speaker 1: book went to press, so I had to change a
Speaker 1: page in the book and put it in there. But
Speaker 1: it's little details like that that in seemingly the most
Speaker 1: insignificant places keep pointing to an Israeli connection, or maybe
Speaker 1: I should say the Israeli connection. I've only I've talked
Speaker 1: for quite a while here, and I've really I could
Speaker 1: go on and on. I've touched on. I think probably
Speaker 1: if none of you ever read my book, I think
Speaker 1: I've probably laid a few things out here that will
Speaker 1: make you think, to give you a new perspective on
Speaker 1: the whole thing.
Speaker 3: I'll be looking forward to any questions you might have.
Speaker 1: I will close with something which is totally unrelated, but
Speaker 1: I took some pictures here in Washington the other day
Speaker 1: of something that I guess it is related, and I thought, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to get this picture at large, because
Speaker 1: I knew I was coming here in Joe's meeting, and
Speaker 1: I thought, this is just it looks like a place
Speaker 1: Matt because I had it laminated. But this really says
Speaker 1: a lot about where the power and the influence is
Speaker 1: in Washington, DC. It's Union Station.
Speaker 3: It's our beautiful train station in Washington.
Speaker 1: For the last week they had a fiftieth anniversary celebration
Speaker 1: of the State of Israel. That's in Union Station of Washington,
Speaker 1: not Union Station in Tel Aviv. And you'll see here
Speaker 1: in this picture of the facade of Union Station. You
Speaker 1: see the American flag hanging here and you see the
Speaker 1: Israeli flag hanging here. Note they're both hung at the
Speaker 1: same level and both the same size. And it's really
Speaker 1: hard to tell whether you're in Washington or Tel Aviv.
Speaker 1: But I want you to all look at that picture
Speaker 1: very very carefully, because, as I say, passing around with you,
Speaker 1: it really says a lot about where the power is.
Speaker 3: In this country today.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm up against, and that's why my book
Speaker 1: is so dangerous. Even if I'm wrong, and I don't
Speaker 1: think that I am. Even if I'm wrong, They're afraid
Speaker 1: that a lot of people are gonna believe that I'm right,
Speaker 1: and they also know that I'm not going to back down.
Speaker 1: They also know that they can't shut me up. There's
Speaker 1: only several ways they can shut me up. And it
Speaker 1: would all involve violence. I don't think that that's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: because unfortunately they don't always act as we expect them to.
Speaker 1: But nonetheless, that's why I came out here, because I'm
Speaker 1: going down there to that Board of Trustees meeting, and
Speaker 1: I am going to say a few words if I
Speaker 1: have three minutes to speak, or if I have thirty
Speaker 1: minutes to speak, and I've they are already aware of
Speaker 1: the fact that there's a lot of people who do
Speaker 1: support me, or at least who believe that there is
Speaker 1: such a thing as freedom of speech in this country,
Speaker 1: who are going to be there, who've been notified. I
Speaker 1: told this reporter for the Los Angeles Times that I
Speaker 1: had mailed invitations to five thousand people, and I want
Speaker 1: to tell you something. That's probably the first time I
Speaker 1: ever heard a reporter gulf through the phone because he
Speaker 1: thought I would just to come out there, you know,
Speaker 1: and wals in and say Hi, I'm Mike Piper. For
Speaker 1: some reason, the Los Angeles Times had not yet found
Speaker 1: out that I had sent this mailing out, so all
Speaker 1: of a sudden they realized that there are voters, people
Speaker 1: who vote in Orange County. I don't know if votes
Speaker 1: really count anymore, but you know a lot of people
Speaker 1: have that perception that they do. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: they realize that there are voters from Orange County who
Speaker 1: have families and family members who vote, who are going
Speaker 1: to be there seeing what they do. Are they known.
Speaker 3: Before Joe and some of the other guys are down.
Speaker 1: There, But hearing that figure five thousand, they don't think
Speaker 1: five thousand people are going to show up. But you know,
Speaker 1: politicians do kind of tread lightly when the voters speak.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it doesn't always seem that way. But all they've
Speaker 1: been hearing is from the ADL. Now they get to
Speaker 1: hear personally from me and hopefully from you, and hopefully
Speaker 1: from all of them us together. So if you can
Speaker 1: make it down there, I hope you will be down there.
Speaker 1: And it's really it's not for me. It's not for
Speaker 1: my book.
Speaker 3: It is for the First Amendment.
Speaker 1: It is for freedom of speech, and it is for America,
Speaker 1: and that's what they really don't like.
Speaker 3: So thank you for.
Speaker 1: Coming here tonight, Thanks to Joe and d Thank you
Speaker 1: for your patience. I hope my charts didn't confuse you.
Speaker 1: I hope they enlightened you, and I'll be glad to
Speaker 1: answer any questions during our question and answer session. And
Speaker 1: I'm sorry i didn't get to show.
Speaker 3: You all my other fun stuff.
Speaker 2: But you you're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network.
Speaker 1: Just the facts, ma'am.