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<v Speaker 1>Live from the heart of the nation's capital. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a Jim Acosta Show special report.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, hey, everybody, welcome to the Jim Acosta Show.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's seventy seven days until the midterms in America

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<v Speaker 2>and the White House this week, let it be known

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<v Speaker 2>in no uncertain terms that it really, really, definitely does

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<v Speaker 2>not want to hear questions about Natalie Harp. Let's discuss

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<v Speaker 2>with Jonathy, last of the Bulwark. Jonathan, great to see

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<v Speaker 2>you as always. Thanks for coming on.

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<v Speaker 3>Jim, Thanks for having me. It's great to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Buddy. Oh, it's good to be with you too.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, you know, just to catch I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think people need to be caught up to speed, but

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<v Speaker 2>just in case. Natalie Harp, the aid of Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>who has been dubbed the human printer. I think Maggie

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<v Speaker 2>Haberman has referred to Natalie Harp as Trump's binky, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like a security blanket. You know, we saw what

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<v Speaker 2>took place. I guess it was what over the weekend

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<v Speaker 2>where John Ossoff, Senator from Georgia, says he doesn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to do the job talking about Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>He wants to build his ballroom.

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<v Speaker 2>Travel with Natalie on their apparently defenseless flying palace gifted

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<v Speaker 2>by the emirror of Cutter. And I want to get

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<v Speaker 2>into my former colleague Christen Holmes a scene and asking

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<v Speaker 2>about that, and then Trump blowing his top and going

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<v Speaker 2>nuts and the White House going nuts on this. But

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<v Speaker 2>it seems to me that John Ossoff is playing Trump

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<v Speaker 2>like a Harp. I mean, you know, you know he

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<v Speaker 2>came on glued yesterday, and I think that was the

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<v Speaker 2>desired effect from John Ossoff.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, he sure squealed like it was a soft spot,

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<v Speaker 3>didn't he. And uh, I mean, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>your audience knows this, but the weirdest thing about Natalie

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<v Speaker 3>Harp is not the stuff we know now about her,

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<v Speaker 3>like getting in the catering van the catering trolley with

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<v Speaker 3>Trump and Dan Scavino and all that. The weird thing

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<v Speaker 3>is that should they call her the human printer? Because

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<v Speaker 3>for the last many years she has carried around a

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<v Speaker 3>battery powered portable printer which she uses to print out

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<v Speaker 3>stories or comments from the Internet that she thinks Donald

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<v Speaker 3>Trump will like and then hand them to him in

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<v Speaker 3>real time. Right, it's the craziest thing I've ever heard, Right,

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<v Speaker 3>because they understand that the boss needs a constant stream

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<v Speaker 3>of affirmations, and so she is always there, like on

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<v Speaker 3>her phone, finding a nice thing to print. And of course,

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<v Speaker 3>because he's an old person, you can't just like show

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<v Speaker 3>him the phone. You have to like print it out

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<v Speaker 3>on paper because otherwise it's not real, right, Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 3>so Asoff makes this dig, and Trump and everybody in

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<v Speaker 3>Trump world immediately seems to assume that this is an

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<v Speaker 3>insinuation of some sort of untoward relationship, when the reality

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<v Speaker 3>is from the Maggie Haberman and John this one book,

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<v Speaker 3>it would actually be much more normal if there was

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<v Speaker 3>some sort of improper relationship, because instead what we have

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<v Speaker 3>is this case of a woman whose function is to

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<v Speaker 3>walk around with a battery powered portable printer and print

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<v Speaker 3>things out and hand him and she all on her own,

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<v Speaker 3>writes Little mash notes that she rides around the residence

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<v Speaker 3>for him to see, just for him to stumble upon

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<v Speaker 3>in what she tells me what a great man he is.

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<v Speaker 3>That is way fucking weirder than the idea that maybe

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<v Speaker 3>he's having an affair with her or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and then there's this whole story, I think Sarah

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<v Speaker 2>Matthews the former White House Deputy Press secretary told where

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<v Speaker 2>she said that, you know, aids around Trump were so

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<v Speaker 2>concerned about Natalie Harp that didn't want her around. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was at Bedminster, and then she started to

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<v Speaker 2>hide out in the in the women's locker room at

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<v Speaker 2>Bedminster so she could continue to be in his orbit,

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<v Speaker 2>be around him, and that sort of thing. And so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>very strange, very peculiar behavior. But I'm with you, Jonathan.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it says more about Trump's fractured psyche that

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<v Speaker 2>he needs a Natalie Harp sort of hovering around him

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, puff him up, you know, every chance

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<v Speaker 2>that he needs it. And it's it's very it's very strange.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think John oss Off, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody had to get this party started and say what

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<v Speaker 2>the fuck is going on with this?

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<v Speaker 1>It's strange. Yeah, yeah, it's a weird thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't I mean, Trump is the most powerful man

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<v Speaker 3>in the world, right, Like, what does he need somebody,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, forty five years younger than he is printing

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<v Speaker 3>out notes for him to make him feel again. It

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<v Speaker 3>just boy, there's a lot going on there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's weird. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then of course, you know I mean, don't put

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<v Speaker 2>any of these people around a poker table, Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>or any of the age over at the White House,

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<v Speaker 2>because they had an incredible tell during this photo opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it was yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Kristen Holmes, a CNN former colleague of mine, asked about

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<v Speaker 2>John Ossoff and what he said, and he kind of

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<v Speaker 2>answered the question in sort of a normal Trumpian way there.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't blow his top at that point. He just said,

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<v Speaker 2>weird shit. Let's play that.

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<v Speaker 4>Don Off that said.

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<v Speaker 5>He'd be rather travel with your aid Natalie Harp and

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<v Speaker 5>build the ballroom than do your job as president.

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<v Speaker 4>What is John off of?

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<v Speaker 6>You mean? Pee wee herman, pe wee herman. Look a lot. No,

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<v Speaker 6>I would much rather do other things. It's say, we're

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<v Speaker 6>building a great facility here, we're fixing a White House

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<v Speaker 6>that hasn't been taken care of. The whole building. The

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<v Speaker 6>White House was let go. The exteriors were falling apart,

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<v Speaker 6>the columns were falling apart, the whole place was a mess.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Jav, I mean that wasn't really when he

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<v Speaker 2>got I mean, he said weird shit there, and he

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<v Speaker 2>went and talked about the ballroom.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was later on when another reporter was asking about

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<v Speaker 2>how he's going to betray South Korea. I guess I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know WHI there's this whole subcontext met with in

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<v Speaker 2>South Korea anyway that this whole thing get started, and

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<v Speaker 2>Kristen tries to interject and ask another question, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he goes bananas to.

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<v Speaker 4>Scale back on those Quiet.

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<v Speaker 6>You're very disrespectful in front of this young man. Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>don't you find her disrespectful? You can't understands?

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<v Speaker 1>Quiet? Who are you with?

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<v Speaker 4>And we're seeing that news. I just wanted to follow

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<v Speaker 4>up on this South yours.

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<v Speaker 6>You're a loud, boisterous person in your faith.

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<v Speaker 5>I was trying to find out if you had been

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<v Speaker 5>talking to King, if you had asked you to scale

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<v Speaker 5>bout on the plitary excess salary.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then and then it goes into the Rapid Response

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<v Speaker 2>team over at the White House, Rapid Response forty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>which might as well be called in Cell forty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>They sort of behave like that on social media. Some

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<v Speaker 2>day your children will come across your disgusting and inhumane question,

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<v Speaker 2>they tweet, this is an official White House government account.

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<v Speaker 2>They will be sick and embarrassed to have a parent

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<v Speaker 2>be so callous and vindictive.

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<v Speaker 1>It's quite troubling. And I wrote a self whole sub

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<v Speaker 1>stick about this JV. I you know I was. This

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<v Speaker 1>made me so livid. I don't talk about seeing them

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<v Speaker 1>very much.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like it's my old shop and now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>here and I'm enjoying this. But I don't like the

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<v Speaker 2>way he denigrated my friend Kristin. I will just say that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just the way he denigrates women.

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<v Speaker 1>Reporters is disgraceful and despicable.

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<v Speaker 2>And the way other reporters don't stand up for one

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<v Speaker 1>But your thoughts on all.

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<v Speaker 3>This, yeah, you know so I never you did that.

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<v Speaker 3>Gig you you know you stood around and asked questions

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<v Speaker 3>of the president. I never did that. I don't understand

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<v Speaker 3>why the reporters in the room allow that.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you you know, if if the president of

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<v Speaker 3>the United States does that to one of your colleagues

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<v Speaker 3>and then turns to you and says go ahead, seems

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<v Speaker 3>just seems to me your response should be no, I'd

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<v Speaker 3>like to hear you answer her.

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<v Speaker 1>Question yes exactly, or knock it off, you know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we're roll in the guild, right, yeah, I mean, and.

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<v Speaker 2>The wh h to my understanding, even at this hour,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go back. I can check see if I'm wrong

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<v Speaker 2>about As of earlier today, they had not said anything.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's so weird.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand why nobody just stands up for somebody

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<v Speaker 2>in this town. And it's it's it's rather disgraceful, I

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<v Speaker 2>have to say. And it's weak, weak sauce.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's funny like back in the day people used to

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<v Speaker 3>complain like, oh, all this fake civility between the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the administration people regardless of administration, and the repress and

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<v Speaker 3>it's gross. And I get that, right, I mean, you

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<v Speaker 3>have a lot of people playing parts in doing kabuki theater,

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<v Speaker 3>but at least it was civilized. And now you have

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<v Speaker 3>this one side of kabuka like where Trump can just

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<v Speaker 3>sits and pretends that it's normal and addresses him like

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<v Speaker 3>it's all normal. And I don't. I just don't get who's.

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<v Speaker 1>Served by that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't either, And I just think that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you have people on a government social media account

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<v Speaker 2>tweeting those sorts of things. It says to me that

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<v Speaker 2>there's a real cult life atmosphere inside that White House,

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<v Speaker 2>an extremely weird and unhealthy situation going on inside that

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<v Speaker 2>White House where they feel like they have to lash out,

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<v Speaker 2>And it just reveals that there are questions to be

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<v Speaker 2>asked about Natalie Harp and this strange relationship whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it is. You know, maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a personal friendship.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea, but I mean, as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when they act that way, it makes you want to

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<v Speaker 2>ask more questions.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know what the strategy is there. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems stupid.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, now it's it is crazy to me. And also

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<v Speaker 3>again just the rank hypocrisy of the Trump people then

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<v Speaker 3>going and saying, oh, how uncivil. Yes, then calls people

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<v Speaker 3>piggy and whose entire brand is that, Like, we don't

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<v Speaker 3>have to play by the fake Norman normality anymore, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's okay to be rough around the edges and insult

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<v Speaker 3>people by now they're like, oh, dare you my delicate honor?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes exactly, guys. It's obnoxious.

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<v Speaker 2>And part of this, I think is because I've been

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<v Speaker 2>talking about this on much. I mean, the second administration

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<v Speaker 2>for Donald Trump has been an absolute spectacular failure.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, you know, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>In a nose dive, and he's lashing out on a

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<v Speaker 2>daily basis because I think even he knows deep down,

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<v Speaker 2>despite the deer leader treatment he gets all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>that he has completely shipped the bad. You know, he's

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<v Speaker 2>tweeting things like that the US now controls the Strait

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<v Speaker 2>of War moves as a US territory. I hope we

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<v Speaker 3>So I claiming the Strait as a US territory is

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<v Speaker 3>That is an attack on the rest of the entire world.

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<v Speaker 3>own wishes for it. That's an active war. And yet

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly No.

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<v Speaker 2>that has kind of resulted in the stalemate. Taking over

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<v Speaker 2>a much larger military presence, and we can't even feed

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Puerto Rico is a US territory, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Would be like that, and uh and we know what

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And again, I just I look at this, and

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we really have to question everything with Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>And this, you know, is like when he was going

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<v Speaker 3>to take over Greenland, right when he was just talking

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<v Speaker 3>Korean friends a little more. And I this is a

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<v Speaker 3>real question for you, Jim. Is this permanent or is

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<v Speaker 3>this just unique to Trump? Is it Trump has some

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<v Speaker 3>or just the media. Yeah, the whole international order looks

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<v Speaker 3>at this and just is like, what are you gonna do?

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<v Speaker 1>John?

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<v Speaker 2>it's something I've wrestled with for some time. I will

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<v Speaker 2>to time where all go to this diplomatic function of

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<v Speaker 2>And this ambassador said to me, Jim, this reminds me

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen thirties Germany. What is happening in America right now?

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<v Speaker 2>And then another ambassador for another major US ally standing

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<v Speaker 2>next to this person was nodding and saying, Yep, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what it reminds me of. Two And people need to

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<v Speaker 2>understand the rest of the world is starting to form

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<v Speaker 2>this conclusion that the United States of America is just

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<v Speaker 2>whole idea that some Democratic candidate's going to ride in

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<v Speaker 1>I just I don't know what you.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys think over the bulwark. You guys have some various

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<v Speaker 1>Of that question before we go.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know the answer, Yeah, and nobody does, right,

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<v Speaker 3>nobody knows the answer. We'll find out. My concern is

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<v Speaker 3>that at the end of the day, this isn't really

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<v Speaker 3>a Trump problem. It's an America problem. You know, seventy

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they saw him attempt to coop, they saw

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<v Speaker 3>they lived through COVID, right, I mean, they and those

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<v Speaker 3>seventy seven million people don't go away, And so what

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<v Speaker 3>is it. Either they are unseerious people or they're pernicious

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<v Speaker 3>people who want Trump. And I don't even know which

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<v Speaker 3>is worse. Honestly, I don't you know, there's a famous line,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, attributed to some European under secretary of something

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<v Speaker 3>realize that we cannot have the fate of the Western

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<v Speaker 3>Wisconsin every four years. That's right, And I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>what the rest of the world is going. If you

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<v Speaker 3>just I mean, if you look at the European defense industry,

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<v Speaker 3>like they are pouring money into their own defense industrial complex,

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<v Speaker 3>Philippines and everybody over in Asia is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>decoupling from America as fast as possible. That's right, because

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<v Speaker 3>it isn't enough to just replace Trump with President whoever, right,

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<v Speaker 3>have to demonstrate that the American people realize the Trump decade,

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<v Speaker 3>the Trump back age, was a mistake, and that they

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't know that that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with you. I totally agree with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Jonathan v Last, thank you so much for coming

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<v Speaker 2>on today.

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<v Speaker 1>Great to catch up.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do this again soon and don't be a stranger there, kid,

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<v Speaker 2>Let's let's do this again.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks anytime, my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for having good to.

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<v Speaker 2>See you, JVL of the Bulwark, the Great Bullwark, doing

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<v Speaker 2>great stuff. Thanks, thanks so much, Bohn. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>quickly go to my next guest, the wonderful, the talented,

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<v Speaker 2>the amazing Ali Vitally of MS now. Ali, it's great

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<v Speaker 2>to see you, as as you say on MS down

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<v Speaker 2>and some other anchors eight my friend, they say they

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for joining me, my friend, but.

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<v Speaker 4>You are my friend, of course is you are my friend?

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<v Speaker 1>We are friends. I know it's so true. Here it's

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<v Speaker 1>great to have you on.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a primary day across a lot of states,

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<v Speaker 2>and we've had lots of primaries over the last several weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get to that.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can also say, Jim, shut up if I

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<v Speaker 2>ask you about this, because you and I were on

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty sixteen campaign together and we I mean we

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<v Speaker 2>with Donald Trump covering him and Kristin Holmes's our friend.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you think of that whole thing? I wrote

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<v Speaker 2>House did on top of that, with that rapid response account.

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<v Speaker 2>Your thoughts on all this, and then we'll get to

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<v Speaker 4>I had to ask you have carte blanche as always?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, yeah, Kristin was out there with us in

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<v Speaker 4>She's a close personal friend.

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<v Speaker 5>Obviously, it's never nice when you see your friends be

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<v Speaker 4>A good job at their jobs.

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<v Speaker 5>And she is just such a fantastic reporter who is

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<v Speaker 5>always asking tough questions and questions frankly that we needed

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<v Speaker 5>to know the answers to. She was trying to get

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<v Speaker 5>a sense of, like when did you talk to Kim

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<v Speaker 5>joint exercises? And of course also what John Assoff said

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<v Speaker 5>about Natalie Harp and the other things that Trump is

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't feel good to see that for your friend. But

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<v Speaker 5>then I think the bigger question here is the way

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<v Speaker 5>that the rapid response account brought her kids into this.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, they're young. And also like there is.

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<v Speaker 5>An unspoken role in this world where like you don't

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<v Speaker 5>talk about kids who are not in the business or

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<v Speaker 5>in the car someone who happens to be running for something. Right,

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<v Speaker 5>So like the idea that this White House is not

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<v Speaker 5>just stepping over that barrier but smashing it as they

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<v Speaker 5>do with everything else. Right, it's not shocking, but it

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<v Speaker 4>And he does this to women.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean that account attacks everybody, but the president seems

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<v Speaker 5>to have a particular problem with female reporters who hold

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<v Speaker 5>And she's not doing that for herself, Like she is

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<v Speaker 5>doing it to get the American public the best understanding

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<v Speaker 5>people should keep in mind. It's not us talking about like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>And it's because everything's a distraction from something else.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I totally agree with all of that. I

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<v Speaker 2>really wish and I know that folks will say, oh

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<v Speaker 2>that that's nice that you say that, Jim, it's little

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<v Speaker 1>I do wish that another reporter.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like as Peter Alexander did for me way

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't think that's unreasonable, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 5>Comus in that pool now, right, Like true, it's not

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just saying generally, it's a different landscape.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, that's true. That's very true.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and you and I got used to that ugliest

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<v Speaker 2>ugliness nine years ago, and so it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it not ten years ago, gosh, eleven years ago

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<v Speaker 1>in your case, I don't know. I mean you were

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<v Speaker 1>there as an embed at the very.

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<v Speaker 2>Beginning, and we all, I mean it was like, we

431
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<v Speaker 2>went to these rallies with ten twenty thousand people screaming

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<v Speaker 2>crazy stuff at us, and so we kind of all

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<v Speaker 2>get used to it, and maybe we normalize it a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But it shouldn't be normalized. This should not be normal

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<v Speaker 1>and then I'll move on to something else.

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<v Speaker 5>But I think I think we're in the place where

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<v Speaker 5>it's like, if that's not the thing that's being normalized,

439
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<v Speaker 5>then something else is. And like there's only so much

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<v Speaker 5>oxygen to call out the abnormalities.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's like, what do.

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<v Speaker 2>You I don't know, Ali, what do you think about

443
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<v Speaker 2>these midterm primaries? I guess there are some happening in

444
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<v Speaker 2>Florida today. The Wall Street Journal, speaking of all the

445
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<v Speaker 2>messiness in the news, The Wall Street Journal had an

446
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<v Speaker 2>interesting story that basically said, you know, messy midterms. A

447
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<v Speaker 2>pile up of sexual misconduct cases in front of the

448
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<v Speaker 2>House Ethics Committee is casting more uncertainty of there's several

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<v Speaker 2>races in the run up to midterms. Corey Mills of Florida,

450
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<v Speaker 2>Max Miller of Ohio both under investigation.

451
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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Edwards ended his bid after a pro was announced.

452
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<v Speaker 2>The Panels also investigating Jimmy Gomez, California Democrat. In that case,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously everybody is innocent, so otherwise and all those caveats

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<v Speaker 2>and so on, But it really is changing the dynamic

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<v Speaker 2>of these midterms.

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<v Speaker 5>It changes the dynamics of the midterms because even just

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<v Speaker 5>take two of the cases that you're talking about, right,

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<v Speaker 5>Corey Mills is facing a prime challenger down in Florida's

459
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<v Speaker 5>seventh district, and we'll see if he makes it out.

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<v Speaker 5>Hasn't been a particularly favorable season two incumbents on both

461
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<v Speaker 5>sides of the aisle. And then in Max Miller's case,

462
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<v Speaker 5>I mean, he's a stubborn man and he has vehemently

463
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<v Speaker 5>denied the allegations against him, and we're going to see

464
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<v Speaker 5>what ultimately happens. But it is a mess, and Democratic

465
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<v Speaker 5>groups are taking advantage of the fact that it is

466
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<v Speaker 5>a mess, and that Republicans are uncomfortable having to defend

467
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<v Speaker 5>this person as one of their own in a seat

468
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<v Speaker 5>that like kind of teeters on the edge of being purpleish,

469
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<v Speaker 5>like it is red, but enough of a controversy could

470
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<v Speaker 5>make this gettable, especially in a year that has a wave.

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<v Speaker 4>And so you go from having a seat that shouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>be a problem and.

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<v Speaker 5>Shouldn't be talked about to now because of one person

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<v Speaker 5>saying I'm not getting out of the race, the party

475
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<v Speaker 5>now has a problem where I'm not someone who thinks

476
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<v Speaker 5>that this is a year that is traded of like

477
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<v Speaker 5>twenty thirty forty seats, Like you just don't have that

478
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<v Speaker 5>many swing seats anymore. But like he is putting one

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<v Speaker 5>more in play and should have to be in play.

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<v Speaker 4>Theoretically for Republicans.

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<v Speaker 5>And so that's just one, I mean, like put it

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<v Speaker 5>on top of the pile because they have other more

483
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<v Speaker 5>fundamental problems, but like that is one of them. So

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<v Speaker 5>we'll see what happens in Florida. I think that's going

485
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<v Speaker 5>to be an interesting race. It could solve a Republican

486
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<v Speaker 5>problem for them if he loses Corey Mills in that primary.

487
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<v Speaker 4>But we'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and you said something very interesting there. You are

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<v Speaker 2>you saying that you don't think that and I know

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<v Speaker 2>you're not saying this absolutely certainty, we can't do that

491
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<v Speaker 2>anymore in this day and age, but that we may

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<v Speaker 2>not see a massive wave election this time around because

493
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<v Speaker 2>of what because of redistricting, because of all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Larry Sabata was telling me this something similar to the

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<v Speaker 2>other day, that you know, because of the redistricting, we

496
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<v Speaker 2>may not see as large of a wave as we

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<v Speaker 2>might have otherwise.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you see it shaping up?

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<v Speaker 5>I just think we see a consistently shrinking swing and

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<v Speaker 5>there are I don't know if it's seventeen or eighteen.

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<v Speaker 5>Everyone has their different counts, the parties have their own counts,

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<v Speaker 5>but it's like seventeen or eighteen per seats. And I

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<v Speaker 5>think a lot of the redistricting in places like Texas

504
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<v Speaker 5>or even in places like Florida, like we'll see how

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<v Speaker 5>red they actually made those seats, because I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 5>that they did themselves every favor. They helped themselves Republicans,

507
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<v Speaker 5>but like, I don't think they like sealed the ballgame

508
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<v Speaker 5>because I don't think it's going to be as predictable

509
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<v Speaker 5>of a wave or of a year as we think.

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<v Speaker 4>But I still don't believe that.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, if Democrats take the House back, that they're

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<v Speaker 5>going to be doing it with a fifteen seat cushion

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<v Speaker 5>and Frankly, sources that I talk to among senior congressional

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<v Speaker 5>Democrats don't think that either, Like it is just a

515
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<v Speaker 5>reality of covering Congress and of covering campaigns, that you

516
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<v Speaker 5>were just dealing with thin margins and that's why, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>I have people say to me a lot, like why

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<v Speaker 5>do you pay so much attention to the one or

519
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<v Speaker 5>two Democratic socialists selected in places like New York?

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<v Speaker 4>Like who cares? It doesn't matter?

521
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<v Speaker 5>It's like, well it does when your caucus can only

522
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<v Speaker 5>afford to lose three or four votes. And we're watching

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<v Speaker 5>it play out with Republicans right now, like they have

524
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<v Speaker 5>guinea pigs this and it's gonna happen for Democrats if

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<v Speaker 5>not this cycle, then we'll see what comes next, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean interesting, it's always she.

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<v Speaker 4>Was always on the other foot, And.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that?

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<v Speaker 2>And we should note everybody Ali is the host of

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<v Speaker 2>Way too Early on the MS now but also congressional

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<v Speaker 2>correspondent up on Capitol Hills. So does an amazing job.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know how you are awake right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll have to send you like some kind of snack

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<v Speaker 2>or something later to thank you for this, But how

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't done a whole lot on the on the

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<v Speaker 2>on the DSA factor in all of this. My sense

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<v Speaker 2>of it has been is that, Okay, you have a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of candidates here and there, and but they may wait,

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<v Speaker 2>they may win democratic districts anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the case?

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<v Speaker 2>Or could there be a seat that is lost because

542
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<v Speaker 2>a DSA candidate was there and not an establishment candidate

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<v Speaker 2>who might have held a purple kind of seat.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, actually that might bring us to Florida, right because.

545
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<v Speaker 5>Jaredkowitz is going up against a DSA candidate, and I

546
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<v Speaker 5>think the prevailing wisdom there is that if Moskowitz loses

547
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<v Speaker 5>the primary, then it might be a tougher seat, and

548
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<v Speaker 5>so that could be an instance. But generally you're right.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like predictive seats.

550
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<v Speaker 5>But I think for Democrats who are focusing on this, like, yeah,

551
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<v Speaker 5>the governing perspective is one part of it, but I

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<v Speaker 5>also think that they just have to play the game

553
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<v Speaker 5>of addition, Like I recognize that it's important to have

554
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<v Speaker 5>a north star, and it is a party that is

555
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<v Speaker 5>searching for what that is right now, and everyone's looking

556
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<v Speaker 5>for what's instructive for the Democratic round of presidential candidates,

557
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<v Speaker 5>but for Congress they just have to grow their numbers.

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<v Speaker 4>And Kate Conley.

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<v Speaker 5>Could maybe win in New York seventeen and Daria Lisa

560
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<v Speaker 5>could maybe win in the Harlem area of New York.

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<v Speaker 5>And those two candidates would lose if they were in

562
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<v Speaker 5>each other's districts, right, And Kate Conley's in a really

563
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<v Speaker 5>tough seat, and we don't know she'll beat Mike Lawler.

564
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<v Speaker 5>But like that's even just one example in the same state,

565
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<v Speaker 5>Like you pick the candidate for the district, and that's

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<v Speaker 5>just what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's really And the other thing too, is these

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<v Speaker 2>Senate races are becoming much more unpredictable than I I

569
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<v Speaker 2>think a lot of people expected like that, I mean

570
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<v Speaker 2>Shared Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, I don't know whether to believe these polls anymore

573
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<v Speaker 2>because of what happened in Wisconsin. The Francesca hank Canon

574
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<v Speaker 2>ended up.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you see now? The polling firm was like, we're

576
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<v Speaker 4>shutting it down.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw that. I saw that.

578
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<v Speaker 2>But Shared Brown is apparently ahead and his Senate race,

579
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<v Speaker 2>that's wild, and so Democrats may make gains and places

580
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<v Speaker 2>like Iowa and Ohio and maybe you know, maybe I

581
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<v Speaker 2>don't know, Florida could David Jolly win the governor's race.

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<v Speaker 2>There I saw Fox freaking out over David Jolly. I

583
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<v Speaker 2>was like, why is Fox freaking out over David Jolly?

584
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<v Speaker 2>That sounds like somebody knows something. So this is a

585
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<v Speaker 2>weird year and I don't know what. I don't know

586
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<v Speaker 2>if we know what we know at this point.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, would you have imagined that going into twenty

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<v Speaker 5>twenty six people would be like, I don't need to

589
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<v Speaker 5>talk about Roy Cooper. I don't need to talk about

590
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<v Speaker 5>John ass Off, Like Georgia and North Carolina are seats

591
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<v Speaker 5>that Democrats are riding in feeling good about.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true, I mean very true.

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<v Speaker 4>And the sight of that too much because that's a

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<v Speaker 4>good point.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good point.

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<v Speaker 2>And John Asoff is doing a lot of media, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's not because of twenty twenty six. I

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<v Speaker 2>just I'm just going to throw that out there as

599
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<v Speaker 2>as just an educated guess on my part, But he

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<v Speaker 2>isn't very as somebody who's been out on the campaign

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<v Speaker 2>trail in a presidential alley, your thoughts on the John

602
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<v Speaker 2>Ossoff moment that we seem to be in right now,

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<v Speaker 2>As I said at the top of this, and because

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<v Speaker 2>you're you know, esteamed anchor. You don't have to chuckle

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<v Speaker 2>up my joke. But he does seem to be playing

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<v Speaker 2>Trump like a harp these days.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, yeah, no, he is. And he also has

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<v Speaker 5>the cadence down right. And you know this because you

609
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<v Speaker 5>know what it is to do a weekday show, like

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<v Speaker 5>you look for the sound from Sundays and his rallies

611
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<v Speaker 5>come on Sundays, and like that hasn't been lost on

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<v Speaker 5>me either, So like he understands his media ecosystems as well.

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<v Speaker 5>But I but also give him, Let's give him the

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<v Speaker 5>credit of a message with deeper resonance of the Epstein

615
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<v Speaker 5>class and a corrupt system that doesn't work except for

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<v Speaker 5>those at the top.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, other candidates have used that messaging.

618
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<v Speaker 5>I covered the Warring campaign that was like almost verbatim

619
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<v Speaker 5>the way that she would talk about it, not the

620
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<v Speaker 5>Epstein class, but a system that works for the wealthy

621
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<v Speaker 5>and well connected.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

623
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<v Speaker 5>So the fact that that's the underpinning of his message

624
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<v Speaker 5>and is being echoed other places, I think says a

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<v Speaker 5>lot about the way he's been able to tap into

626
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<v Speaker 5>the pulse of Georgia voters. But I think about assof

627
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<v Speaker 5>also the way I think about Warnock, which is like

628
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<v Speaker 5>a little bit of three D elective chess, because I

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<v Speaker 5>think it becomes difficult if Keisha lance Bottom doesn't win

630
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<v Speaker 5>that governor's race for Democrats to say like, yeah, like

631
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<v Speaker 5>let's take one of these kind of unicorn Democrats who

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<v Speaker 5>won in Georgia and like take him out.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I just I think that there's a little bit of

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<v Speaker 5>elective chess beyond it too, that I think about a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good point.

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<v Speaker 2>And before you go, I want to show your book

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<v Speaker 2>because you did such an amazing job with this book Electable.

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<v Speaker 1>I have it, folks. If you don't have.

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<v Speaker 2>It, it's a you know it's still highly relevant. Why

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<v Speaker 2>America hasn't put it white House? I know it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to say, finally before you go, that

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things I don't like to hear this

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<v Speaker 2>is me personally on my soapbox. I don't like to

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<v Speaker 2>hear that Pee Buddha Jete can't become president because he's gay.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I just personally think that that's wrong because I covered

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<v Speaker 2>Barack Obama and people are like, there's no way he's.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna be president, and became president and he won handily.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also think that it's wrong to say a

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<v Speaker 2>woman can't become president and that we have to that

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats have to run a white man next time around.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that that's the case. I think a

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<v Speaker 2>woman could win next time around and be the antidote

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<v Speaker 2>to Trump. Is that am I smoking something that I

656
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<v Speaker 2>should probably stop smoking ally?

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<v Speaker 1>Or what are your thoughts since you wrote I'll.

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<v Speaker 4>Smoke it with you?

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<v Speaker 5>Like I always want to live in a world where

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<v Speaker 5>women can win and voters can evaluate them. And I

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<v Speaker 5>think the premise of the book, which remains true, is

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<v Speaker 5>like candidates are electable if you vote for them, and

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<v Speaker 5>just because you haven't seen it before doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 5>it can't happen, but it does mean that if you

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<v Speaker 5>are those candidates, you're strategizing around something we call the

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<v Speaker 5>amata genation barrier, which is like, if you're a white

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<v Speaker 5>man running for something, people can picture you doing it

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<v Speaker 5>because white men have done everything. But if you are

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<v Speaker 5>a woman trying to be president or an openly gay

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<v Speaker 5>man trying to be president, to carry your example, people

671
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:16.759
<v Speaker 5>just haven't seen that, and so they're forced to like

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<v Speaker 5>grapple with the imagination of it, while also saying, well,

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<v Speaker 5>do I think this person would be good at that

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<v Speaker 5>job and they're electable if you vote for them. That

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<v Speaker 5>is I think something Democrats are going to have to

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<v Speaker 5>grapple with among themselves in twenty twenty eight, because yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>it's a lot of white men who want that job

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<v Speaker 5>right now.

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<v Speaker 1>There, It's very true.

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<v Speaker 2>But I still think that the candidate that emerges ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>for the Democrats in twenty twenty it may not be

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<v Speaker 2>somebody we're talking about right now, and you just we

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what we don't know, and these things can

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<v Speaker 2>change very quickly. But Ali, I made a promise because

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<v Speaker 2>you go to bed soon because you have to get up,

686
00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:53.240
<v Speaker 2>as you say, way too early, and I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to violate that and get in a lot of trouble

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<v Speaker 2>next time I see it.

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<v Speaker 5>So there will be no trouble. And I will always

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<v Speaker 5>stay awake late for you in four thirty.

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<v Speaker 4>Is very late.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it is all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a good night if that means five o'clock, six o'clock,

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<v Speaker 2>that means have a good night.

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<v Speaker 1>But Ali, great to see you.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch MS now every morning when Ali comes on, she's

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<v Speaker 2>terrific and great to see again. Thanks for coming on.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks to you, all right, take care? All right?

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<v Speaker 2>That was Ali Vetad, my old campaign buddy. We're out

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<v Speaker 2>on the campaign trail together back in twenty sixteen, and

701
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:23.079
<v Speaker 2>look at her now, she's doing an amazing job. I

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<v Speaker 2>do want to say very quickly before I go, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to say, because I've busted there, but a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of times the folks over at ABC, thank you, ABC,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for suing the FCC.

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<v Speaker 1>And their media henchman Brunn in car.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm showing another CNN person, my old colleague, Brian Stelzer today,

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<v Speaker 2>so where it's a CNN day on my show. ABC

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<v Speaker 2>has filed a First Amendment lawsuit against the SEC and

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<v Speaker 2>DC District Court. The suit says the Trump administration is

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<v Speaker 2>wage day retaliatory campaign against ABC for a single reason

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<v Speaker 2>it disapproves of what ABC broadcasts. We should note our

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<v Speaker 2>friend Rosie O'Donnell is hosting Jimmy Kimmell this week, so

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<v Speaker 2>they must be really right now over at the SEC

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<v Speaker 2>and the White House. But this is really important, and

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<v Speaker 2>the Wall Street Journal in the New York Times, they've

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<v Speaker 2>all reported on this today and basically what the SEC

718
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<v Speaker 2>is trying to do is strip the license broadcast licenses

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<v Speaker 2>away from ABC. They own and operate eight local stations

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<v Speaker 2>that carry its programming across the country, including a major

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<v Speaker 2>markets like New yorick A, LA, and Chicago. And folks

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<v Speaker 2>need to understand that if the SEC were to somehow

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<v Speaker 2>strip ABC of these licenses, it would obviously be in

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<v Speaker 2>direct retaliation of what ABC puts on its programming. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump doesn't like the view, Trump doesn't like Jimmy Kimmel.

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00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:47.440
<v Speaker 2>Trump sometimes doesn't like ABC News. He goes after Rachel Scott,

727
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:52.599
<v Speaker 2>another female reporter over at the White House. And the

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<v Speaker 2>long and the short of this is that, you know, ABC,

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<v Speaker 2>very long time ago, well not so long ago, but

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<v Speaker 2>right before Trump came back into the White House, right

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<v Speaker 2>around the time he came back to the Wise, paid

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<v Speaker 2>that what was essentially a Brian They paid to settle

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<v Speaker 2>a bullshit lawsuit that trumpet filed against ABC and George Stephanopolis.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have to go back over all.

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<v Speaker 2>Of that again, but ABC did that at that time

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<v Speaker 2>to essentially bend the knee to sort of pay an

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<v Speaker 2>extortion toll on the intimidation racket highway. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>thank goodness, ABC is now showing some backbone. Thank goodness,

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00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:33.920
<v Speaker 2>ABC is now showing some real courage as it goes

740
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:36.400
<v Speaker 2>up against the Trump administration. And this is exactly the

741
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.800
<v Speaker 2>right thing to do. I've been clamoring for this for

742
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:41.519
<v Speaker 2>the last eighteen months that what the network should be doing,

743
00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:43.639
<v Speaker 2>what the White House press scorps should be doing, with

744
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:47.239
<v Speaker 2>the outlets who hire the White House reporters should be doing,

745
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:51.519
<v Speaker 2>is standing up against Donald Trump. It is time for

746
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:55.639
<v Speaker 2>the attax on the press, at tax on individual reporters.

747
00:34:56.480 --> 00:35:00.639
<v Speaker 2>The disgusting comments like quiet Piggy going after Jimmy Kimmel

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<v Speaker 2>because Donald Trump doesn't like jokes that Jimmy Kimmel. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's too bad that Stephen Colbert was chased off of

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<v Speaker 2>the Late Show over at CBS.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this kind of weaponization of government.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just call it what it is, and call it

753
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:15.840
<v Speaker 2>what the Trump people screaming about all the time. This

754
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:20.960
<v Speaker 2>weaponization of government to intimidate and silence free speech in

755
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.280
<v Speaker 2>this country has to be stopped. And he's not going

756
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<v Speaker 2>to stop it on his own and the White House,

757
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:28.840
<v Speaker 2>the people over the White House who act like they're

758
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:31.239
<v Speaker 2>in a cult, they're not going to stop it on

759
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<v Speaker 2>their own. I mean, look at what they're doing. They're

760
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:39.039
<v Speaker 2>putting out tweets, going after reporters kids and so. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is what I've been saying for the last eighteen

762
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<v Speaker 2>months is that the only thing that works is collective action.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing that works is standing up to the bully.

764
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<v Speaker 1>And what do bullies do.

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<v Speaker 2>Bullies try to kick.

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<v Speaker 1>You when you're down.

767
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:58.639
<v Speaker 2>Bullies try to intimidate you into silence. They try to

768
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<v Speaker 2>beat you up at the schoolyard for you lunch money

769
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<v Speaker 2>and make it so you don't have to put up

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<v Speaker 2>a fight the.

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<v Speaker 1>Next number, and you just hand over your lunch money.

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<v Speaker 2>And to go after a White House reporter like Kristen

773
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<v Speaker 2>Holmes in this fashion and say someday your children will

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<v Speaker 2>come across your disgusting, an inhumane question. The only disgusting

775
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<v Speaker 2>and inhumane people are the people who run this Rapid

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<v Speaker 2>Response forty seven account. And I just want to say,

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<v Speaker 2>shame on all of you, Shame on the people who

778
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<v Speaker 2>run that account, Shame on the people who tolerate this bullshit.

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<v Speaker 2>Susie Wilds, the White House chief of Staff.

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<v Speaker 1>You're okay, You're okay with the people over.

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<v Speaker 2>At Rapid Response forty seven going after reporters kids. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that what we've come to in this country is that

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<v Speaker 2>are these the new lows that we're going to set

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<v Speaker 2>in this country where we're going after people's children for

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00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:55.599
<v Speaker 2>simply asking a question and being loud and boisterous, which

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<v Speaker 2>she wasn't even doing in the White House. And somehow

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<v Speaker 2>that's tolerable that the people who run that account should

788
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<v Speaker 2>be shitcanned right now. They should be fired right now.

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<v Speaker 2>They should be given their walk, their their White House passes,

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00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:14.320
<v Speaker 2>their security clearances should be stripped away right now and

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<v Speaker 2>sent on their way.

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<v Speaker 1>That is what we used to do in Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 2>When you went after somebody's kids, when you went after

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00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:27.679
<v Speaker 2>somebody's spouse, when you went after somebody's loved ones. And

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump has blown all of that out of the water.

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<v Speaker 2>And he is the one who goes after Remember, he

797
00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:37.800
<v Speaker 2>went after Ted Cruz's wife, he went after Ted Cruz's father.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes after people's wives, he goes after people's kids,

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<v Speaker 2>he goes after people's parents, he goes after their spouses,

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<v Speaker 2>and it goes, it never ends with Donald Trump. He

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<v Speaker 2>has brought he has tried to bring all of us

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00:37:53.679 --> 00:38:01.079
<v Speaker 2>down to his disgusting, inhumane, and appalling level. And the

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<v Speaker 2>people who work off at the White House, the people

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<v Speaker 2>who work on these social media accounts, I guess they've learned.

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<v Speaker 1>From the master.

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<v Speaker 2>They've learned from the sith Lord of put downs and insults.

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<v Speaker 2>And because some of them are probably not old enough

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<v Speaker 2>to have mastered personal hygiene in their lives, they're still

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<v Speaker 2>at that point in their lives they think it's okay

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<v Speaker 2>as sort of the White House arm fort contingent to

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<v Speaker 2>level these kinds of personal attacks. And you need to

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<v Speaker 2>understand it is it's not just beneath the dignity. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not just debasing the White House and the Office of

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<v Speaker 2>the Presidency, which of course it is. It is debasing

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<v Speaker 2>what we think of as common humanity in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>It is setting a new low.

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<v Speaker 2>It is scraping the bottom of the barrel when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to treating each other like human beings in this country.

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<v Speaker 2>And I, for one, and I know a lot of

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00:38:57.079 --> 00:38:59.280
<v Speaker 2>you are out there are with me. I for one,

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00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:02.679
<v Speaker 2>am not going to sanewash this. I for one am

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00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:07.000
<v Speaker 2>not going to sanitize this, and neither should you. We

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00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:10.000
<v Speaker 2>should all be disgusted and appalled. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if the White House runs a switchboard anymore. Maybe that's

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<v Speaker 2>something from a by God era too. But I invite

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<v Speaker 2>as many of the people who are watching this program

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<v Speaker 2>on all the platforms who are watching it to crash

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<v Speaker 2>the White House switchboard. Call the White House I think

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<v Speaker 2>they still have a switchboard. Crash the switchboard and demand

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<v Speaker 2>that the little shits over at rapid response forty seven

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<v Speaker 2>have their little asses fired, and boot it out of

832
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<v Speaker 2>the White House because they have no business working for

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<v Speaker 2>the American people and taking our taxpayer dollars and putting

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<v Speaker 2>them in their goddamn bank accounts. Because that is no

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<v Speaker 2>way to treat a person. That is no way to

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<v Speaker 2>treat a lady. That is no way to treat little

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<v Speaker 2>kids in this country or any country or ever. Shame

838
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<v Speaker 2>on you, Donald Trump, not that you have any shame,

839
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<v Speaker 2>Shame on you, Susie Wiles, the White House chief of staff,

840
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<v Speaker 2>who tolerates this nonsense on a daily basis. They have

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<v Speaker 2>a communications director there, Stephen Schump, who says horrible, awful

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<v Speaker 2>things all the time about people who work at the

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<v Speaker 2>White House as journalists. He went off on Carol Lenok

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<v Speaker 2>the other day for accurately reporting on the Air Force

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<v Speaker 2>one fiasco. He does this all the time. They have

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<v Speaker 2>staffer after staffer after staffer who they think they are.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all in a frat house and they think it's

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<v Speaker 2>okay to treat other human beings in this fashion. And

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<v Speaker 2>it is just not that way. It is just not

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<v Speaker 2>that way. And yes, this is their way of sucking

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<v Speaker 2>up to the dear leader, and this is their way

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<v Speaker 2>of getting noticed. And the only way you can get

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<v Speaker 2>noticed in the White House of Donald Trump is if

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<v Speaker 2>you were a cruel and nasty and mean spirited.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Beyond the pale that these people still work at the

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<v Speaker 2>White House after firing off that tweet, after firing off

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of disgusting an appalling insult at a mother

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<v Speaker 2>who happens to be a reporter who.

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<v Speaker 1>Works at the White House. Shame on all of you.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to thank Jonathan, the last of the Bullwork,

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<v Speaker 1>for joining me today.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks to Ali Vitally as well. Thanks to all of

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<v Speaker 2>you for watching. Still reporting from Washington. I'm Jim mccosta.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll see you next time.