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Speaker 2: As we are are here at Sunday, the twenty ninth

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of June, approaching July, and this Friday, as we all know,

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is fourth of July, and this is when I start

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getting so many questions about Fourth of July and pets.

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And but sort of, you know, I kind of laugh

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inside because when I should be getting these questions is

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probably in January. And I'll explain that in just a minute.

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So I want to tackle some Fourth of July issues,

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and I want to hear from you if you have

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a pet that is great, okay with the fireworks. If

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you have a pet that is scared to heck with

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the fireworks, I want to know what you've done, what

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you've tried to do, what kind of advice you've gotten,

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and let's sort of all learn from each other some

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of the best ways to deal with this problem. And

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let's face it, it is a problem. There are so

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many dogs that are terrified from the sound the crackles,

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whether it's the Fourth of July, whether it's construction going

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on next door, and you hear the loud noises, whether

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it's thunderstorms, lightning, thunder these are all sounds that for

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some reason, many dogs get freaked out. And you know

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what's amazing is when you think about thunderstorms, I can

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often now tell when a storm is heading our way.

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Why when I start getting numerous phone calls from clients

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that are concerned that their pets are acting really weird.

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They're hiding, they are not as energetic, they don't want

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to go outside and play. And I've heard this for

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so many years, and now I know is that when

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a storm is coming, a little meteorology or when a

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storm is coming barometric pressure drops. We get usually low

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pressure well, what happens. We can't, at least I can't

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feel this change in barometric pressure, but animals can. So

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we talk about association. So what does the association? The

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dogs start feeling this change in barometric pressure, and then

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within a day or two or three, whatever it is,

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we're gonna get thunderstorms. So now the old Pavlovian response

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the longer reacting as much or as early to the thunderstorm.

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It can only act when it happens. But now they've

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made the association that that change that they start feeling

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in pressure starts leading them to expect, anticipate, and thus

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fear the ensuing thunderstorms. So it's amazing what they said.

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You know, we talk about our senses, our six senses.

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Oh my god, I think dogs have way more than that,

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not to mention being able to read us, way better

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than we can read them. So let's talk for a

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second about fourth of July. Well, first of all, we

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make a big mistake, most of us. How do you

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behave How do you react when you see your dog

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starting to shiver and shake, hide under a couch or

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a table, and you can tell they're afraid. So what

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do we do? Come on, we love our pets. We're

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the best mom and dad in the world.

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Speaker 3: So what do we do.

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Speaker 2: Typically, it's oh, poor baby, comme here, coime me here,

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and you start coddling them, you start hugging them, you

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start petting them, and they're saying to themselves.

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Speaker 3: Wow, this is right, this is great.

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Speaker 2: I hunted the table a little bit and all before

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you know it, I'm getting all this affection and attention.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna do this some more.

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Speaker 2: So what we don't realize is by the mere fact

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that we are paying this kind of attention to them,

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we are in fact reinforcing this behavior. We are actually

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letting them know that it is okay to react so fearfully.

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life is grand. What more can a dog do to

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get so much affection and attention and love? Right, So,

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we really, for one thing, need to start rethinking how

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we behave how we react when we see dogs like this.

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The age old solution to this problem has always been,

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let's go to the net and let's get some tranquilizers.

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Let's get either like a little sedative like acepromisin. Nowadays

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it's more the anti anxiety because we believe it's more

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of an anxious and anxiety issue. So we send home

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the valume the day Zapan, we send home the alpraise

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of Land, which is xenax, and we want to get

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the dogs to start chilling. As I often joke with

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my clients, try it on your dog. If they're driving

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your nuts and it's not working on them, you could

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take the leftover. But the goal here is that we

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want to try to minimize the stress the anxiety that

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is happening with our pets, and to do so three

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or four days before the fourth of July, it's not

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going to work. So basically what we're doing is we're

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stuck giving them that sedation. If you have a dog

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that is or a cat that is so fearful, of

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course you need to talk with your veterinarian. There is

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really the only thing I can think about that might

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work over the counter that you could try would be

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one of the old fashion available over the counter non

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prescription antihistamines like chlorophenaramine, like diphenhydromene, which is benagol.

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Speaker 3: And the reason for that is the way.

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Speaker 2: One of the side effects of these old fashion and

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by that I mean the not the non drowsy newer

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types of antihistamines that's available, but it's the old, good,

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old fashioned drowsy ones that they may not work so

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well as an antihistamine, or will they do. But the

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problem is with allergies, as we've discussed a few times,

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I'm sure that histamine is not a major player of

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the allergic response in dogs. Therefore the anti histamines are

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not going to have the same effect. However, they do

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have that setative effect. So when you have a dog

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that's a bit sedated, you have a dog that is

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itching like crazy, and you give them an antihistamine, you

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might see some advantage of the sedative effect and they

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probably won't be scratching as vigorously as much as aggressively,

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it a lot, or I recommend it a lot.

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Speaker 3: Is the benadryl.

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Speaker 2: It's about a milligram per pound, So you have that

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thirty pound dog, give them twenty five milligrams. Now you

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can get them in tablets and tewbers, so you can

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actually do half. It used to be they only came

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in twenty five milligram capsules. Dan, It's pretty hard to

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give half the capsule. You'd have to open it up

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for about roughly half of the little pellets out and

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then put the capsule back together.

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Speaker 3: That's not so easy. So that's something you could try.

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Speaker 2: To use as a mild sedative just to kind of

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chill relax your pet before the fireworks start hitting. And

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you know, it's interesting you'll know how they do because

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as we know from you know kids or kids, they're

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gonna start setting off those firecrackers probably Thursday night or

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certainly early Friday morning. They're not going to wait until

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the typical eve evening of July fourth, after all the

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barbecues are said and done, to start lighting those fireworks.

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You know, you want to get the dark skies, you

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want to see how beautiful they are. And so that's

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what's going on. So firstly, before we move on to

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what really needs to be done, what should be done,

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something that's going to take several months, which is why

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I said something you want to start like in January February,

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not wait until three days before. I want to hear

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ahead and give us an idea of what and how

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your pets act and react during fourth July during thunderstrumps.

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As a matter of fact, the solution that we're going

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to discuss, which is a behavior modification solution, which is

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the best way to go, is not only going to

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work now for the fireworks, but it's going to start

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working for any loud sounds.

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Speaker 3: So it's really cool. It's great and if.

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Speaker 2: It's something that if you can, once you learn, you

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can start teaching your dogs.

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Speaker 3: How to react.

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Speaker 2: Your cat's are a little cats are a little tougher

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because you know, let's face it, Kat.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't like something, that's going to go to a different room.

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Speaker 2: It's going to hide under the bed, or hide in

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its favorite bed, or jump up on their scratch post perch,

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and they're going to chill. They usually don't typically come

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to us for love and affection, unless, of course, you

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have cats like mine, which I often joke read the

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Dog Book by mistake, and they will come when they

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want affection, Trust me, they come and pick for it.

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So what we want to do is talk about behavior modification. Now,

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behavior modification is a probably one of the more accepted techniques.

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Speaker 3: It has clearly replaced.

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Speaker 2: Any kind of punishment training, which we all believe is

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really not effective for dogs or for kids for that

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for that matter, I think makes things worse. We don't

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want to do flooding. Flooding is where we take a

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negative stimulus and basically bombard the pet with it to

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the point where they almost become numb to it. They

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realize as this bombardment is going on that their reaction

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is not going to help, it's not changing anything, and

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they finally almost take the attitude well, I'm still here.

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I guess it's okay, So I'm just gonna I'll just

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deal with it and it'll be okay. And that's called flooding.

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And the reason why flooding has become so out of

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vogue is that we have now through the ability to

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measure the different physiologic neurologic reactions going on in a

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pet through stress, through measuring cortisol levels, through firing of

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certain neurons, we've learned that we are really messing these

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animals up when we do flooding. We are creating extreme stress,

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which we know has very, very many negative side effects

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on a pet's physiology. We are causing a lot of unnecessary,

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unwarranted brain activity, and it's really not the way to go.

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So we are trying really to move away from flooding

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as a solution to behavior problems. Many of the old

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fashioned non veterinary trainers or I should even use the

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term loosely, as they often do pets experts, behavior experts,

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mind you, non veterinary some of them have even reached

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major prominence on national television, really are over using this

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flooding technique and it's really to the issues, the problems

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of a dog's physiology something we're trying to guard against.

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So we're going to talk about more behavior modification through

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a desensitization. It's called desensitizing and counter conditioning. We are

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going to actually, if you can believe it, we're gonna

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may have a dog look forward to loud noises. And

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So anyway, before the break, we were talking about the

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issues with fourth July fireworks desensitization. How do we do

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a better job trying to avoid the use of pharmacologics,

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drugs like xenax, like valume, which is dizapam, like acepromazine,

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tranquilizer to better help our dogs and cats if you

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can through these difficult times. And it's not just Fourth

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of July fireworks, it also happens with construction noise across

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this our next door.

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Speaker 3: It happens with thunderstorms.

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Speaker 2: How is a better way to try to keep our.

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Speaker 3: Dogs calmer during this time?

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Speaker 2: And I sort of joke that, you know, often when

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I start getting these questions, it's just before fourth of July,

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and it's going to be a few days before July fourth,

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and that doesn't give us enough time to do it

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the right way. So we're going to talk about a

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behavior modification technique that is very effective. It takes a while,

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and that's why I was kind of joking but not

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really starting January. And what this technique does is we

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are taking a stimulus and we are going to provide

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a very very very barely noticeable level of this stimulus.

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So an essence, the goal is to desensitize your dog

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to the loud sounds of fourth of July. And we're

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not going to stop there. We're actually through this process.

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way that not only will they no longer be afraid

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of the sounds, but they're actually gonna like the sounds.

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made over the years, which dogs have learned and therefore

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continue to behave the way they do and what is

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that mistake. As I mentioned earlier in the show, we

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call them over to usk if we see how fearful

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they are. They're afraid, they're shaking, they're hiding, and we

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call them over. We have them jump up on our laps,

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them a hugging and kiss, and we, in essence have

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been reinforcing the wrong behavior. We have been reinforcing the

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negative reaction, the fearful reaction, instead of reinforcing the non reaction.

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the first homework you have to do. And now with

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the advent of the Internet, it's so easy. I mean,

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I actually I joke. I still have somewhere in my

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archives a cassette tape I know it's gonna aige me

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a bit of what we call sound effects. It's sound

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effects cassette tape. And I still probably even have a

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sound effects DVD, which those are available readily still, but

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now you can get these right off of the internet.

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And I'm talking sound effects of almost anything, whether there

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are bullets, bombs, traffic, screeches, thunderstorms. Of course, fireworks, loud

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noise of construction, any type of sound effect that they

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might use in a movie is available online. So what

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you want to do is you want to download. In

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this case, let's start with what we're talking about here, fireworks.

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So you're chilling in your den or your living room,

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wherever it is that you chill with your pets, and

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you want to get your computer out. If you have

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a DVD, stick it into your player, turn on your

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speakers at a literally a sound so low that you

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can't hear.

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Speaker 3: It, but trust me, your dogs probably can't.

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Speaker 2: And what you're gonna do is you're gonna sit there

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and play it for a few minutes, seven, ten, whatever minutes,

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and hopefully the dog's gonna be sitting there not reacting

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at all, and you're gonna go over to the dog.

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Oh my god, you're such a good boy. You're such

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a good girl, and you're gonna pet him, and you're

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gonna hug him and kiss him and even give them

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a little treat reward if they are so treat motivated.

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And then the goal is a few times a week

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you are going to do the same thing, but each

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time you are going to crank that volume up just

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a little. It might not even be to the third

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or fourth session that you can even start if you

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listen really carefully hearing the noise. But every time, after

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several minutes of the noise playing, probably your dog not

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doing a darn thing, and then you are gonna call

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them over. You're gonna give them hugs, you're gonna give

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them kisses, you're gonna give them a treat, You're gonna

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tell them how good they are.

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Speaker 3: And you continue to do this a few times a week.

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You don't.

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Speaker 2: Now, again, we don't want to flood them, we don't

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want to go crazy. We want them to just literally

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ease in to this increased volume that you will be

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playing on a regular basis, and I mean ease in.

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And then what you're gonna do is, every time you

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have a training session, it might be three or week

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or so, maybe four a week, you're going to be

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cranking that volume a little higher, a little higher, a

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little higher, and it's going to get to the point

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that when they hear the noise, instead of running to

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a corner and being afraid, they're gonna come to you

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happy with their tails wagging and their ears are wrecked.

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They're going to be so excited because.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I heard the noise.

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Speaker 2: I'm getting a treat, and I'm gonna get love, I'm

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gonna get affection, I'm gonna get attention. And you're now

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going to be reinforcing a different kind of reaction. It's

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not going to be a fear for reaction. So if

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you're not there, you know they're not going to be

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sitting and hiding under a bed. And pretty soon, as

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we all know, that hug and kiss and good boy

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is going to be just as good as the hug

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and kiss and good boy and.

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Speaker 3: A treat, you don't even need the treats anymore.

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Speaker 2: The goal is that we're using sort of more of

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an operant conditioning, and their association now is going to

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be that good boy is going to bring the joy.

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It's going to bring the affection back. And you're gonna

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have a dog or hopefully cat aff I say, Cat's

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gonna be much.

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Speaker 3: We're difficult, as we know, to do this.

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Speaker 2: But certainly a dog who will no longer be afraid

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of fireworks, they'll no longer get this bad stress response, which,

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as we have learned, is very deliterious to dogs. And

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if anything, it's going to be a response of happiness,

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a response of joy, and it's going to be a

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lot of fun. They're going to, in essence, look forward

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to the fireworks, just like your kids do. Obviously, they

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are not going to go out on the balcony and

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appreciate the beauty. They're not going to go to the park,

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but they will no longer fear or care about the

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negative effects. So I want to know, by the way,

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anyone who's ever tried this, I want to hear from you.

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I want to know if you've tried it, is it working?

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Did it not work? We need to hear your stories.

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In fact, next week when we sit and talk about

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the after effects, not even next week, on Sunday, two

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days after fourth of July, on Sunday, the sixth, we're

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going to go. I expect to hear back from you.

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I want to hear not to mention your free pro

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to know have you tried how did your dogs fare

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on this fourth of July? You know, this morning I

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was on my Facebook page and my Twitter page. I'm

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always plugging the show. I want you to guys to

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join me on the show. I want to hear from you,

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give us a call at eight seven seven three eight

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five eight eight eighty two. No reason why we don't

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hear from you. And one of my very long term

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friends now actually lives out of Los Angeles, moved up

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northern California. But a dog rescuer, a dog lover, and

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we've talked about this before and she said it so well.

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Speaker 3: It's a picture of.

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Speaker 2: A dog sitting in an oven and it says, whether

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it's an oven or it's a car, dogs can overheat

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and die from the heat. And that was so well said.

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And what a great visual to see a little dog

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sitting in an oven. And you can imagine what it's

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like when they're sitting in your car. It's really not

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that different. So don't think for a second that it's

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okay to do that. I'm going to mention a lot

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during the summer, because you'd think by now any of

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you who know about this would know by now that.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, how crazy. Who's going to do that?

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Speaker 2: And I got to tell you, I get dogs in

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I hear stories. And the other one is the exercise thing.

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Of course, we want you out there in exercising it's

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great fun, but you got to remember where you live,

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how hot it gets, how human it gets, how much

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a little shade there is, and we can't do it

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for dogs. I actually was doing a segment and I

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was in a news station in Maryland, where Maryland gets

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extremely hot and humid during the summer, and we talked

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about the exercise thing, and you want to do a

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first thing in the morning, and you got to wait

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till seven or so or after the sun is down.

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And one of the weather man actually came to me

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and he says, Doc, I gotta tell you. Here in Maryland,

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it can stay. It can stay eighty five degrees even

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up till eight or nine pm. So they recommend not

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even running or exercising your dogs that late until after

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nine pm, so it's already dark out. So if you're

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going to get if you're in an area like that,

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or if you're in Florida, where I know because I'm

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here in Cancun right now and it is still pretty

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warm even into the night, very hot, Muggy that if

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you're going to exercise, the best time to do it

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is really early in the morning. You know, get up

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at five six in the morning, take your dog for

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that run, give them plenty of time to cool down

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and enjoy the beautiful weather. Anyway, that's it for us

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for today. I want you all to have a very

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safe Fourth of July. Remember, if you have not done

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made a plan to desensitize and countercondition your dogs, you

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can resort to seeing your veterinarian a little benadryl, a

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little medication. If it doesn't work on them, you can

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take it so they don't drive you nuts. And we'll

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see you here on Sunday here on pet Life for Radio.

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Ass events and doctor Jeff have a great region.

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