Speaker 1: Trump, do not sleep.
Speaker 2: He don't play by no rules.
Speaker 1: Just to say, will your president be awake at three
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning to answer the phone if it rings?
Speaker 1: Shit chair, our president is up. Our president is a vampire.
Speaker 1: That motherfucker said twenty three tweets said twelve thirty What
Speaker 1: the fuck is you gonna vine?
Speaker 2: That motherfuckers own it?
Speaker 3: Trump?
Speaker 2: No Gill Fuck.
Speaker 1: That motherfucker has owned it, whatever the fuck it is.
Speaker 1: Every time he wake up, he just signed another piece
Speaker 1: of paper. Wait till they see this when they wake
Speaker 1: the fuck up, since they want to talk.
Speaker 3: We used to just.
Speaker 1: Being able to watch the news a little bit and
Speaker 1: then walk off.
Speaker 2: Not with Trump.
Speaker 1: Niggas is watching the news like it's the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Ship.
Speaker 1: Trumpn't give fuck. Trump don't follow no boy, these rules.
Speaker 1: The president supposed to be at the White House, Our
Speaker 1: president is wherever. Well, fuck he wont to be.
Speaker 4: Welcome to Liberty Lockdown. This is Clint Russell. Thank you
Speaker 4: for tuning in once again. Got some rare good news.
Speaker 4: I'm just kidding. Actually, we've had lots of good news
Speaker 4: over the past month. Shout out to Trump, Shout out
Speaker 4: to Kat Williams. Kat Williams one of my favorite comics,
Speaker 4: absolutely hysterical talking about how Trump doesn't.
Speaker 3: Trump, don't sleep, my fucker get whatever, he won't.
Speaker 4: Love Cat Williams. Anyways, I just thought that was a fun,
Speaker 4: fun way to intro US. I got some good news.
Speaker 4: More good news is that it looks like the war
Speaker 4: in Ukraine may be ending at long. Last three years
Speaker 4: deep into this thing, hundreds of thousands of parish it's
Speaker 4: been hell, to put it mildly, but there is light
Speaker 4: at the end of the tunnel. And that light does
Speaker 4: not have three chairs sitting at it. It has one
Speaker 4: for Vladimir Putin and one for Donald Trump. And Zelensky
Speaker 4: is absolutely panicking. And this was what I predicted for
Speaker 4: a long time now, is that he would eventually be
Speaker 4: left out in the cold because he was doing the
Speaker 4: bidding of the existing US State Department and Trump ain't
Speaker 4: interested in playing you know that that game anymore. And
Speaker 4: it looks like this dude his toast. So let's go
Speaker 4: to Trump and see what he has to say.
Speaker 3: You have any.
Speaker 4: Message for Ukrainians who, after three years of fighting, might
Speaker 4: feel betrayed or disappointed at not having a seat at
Speaker 4: these initial talks in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 5: Well, I think I'm really disappointed in what's happened. I've
Speaker 5: been watching this for three years. It's a war that
Speaker 5: would have never happened if I.
Speaker 2: Was president, and I've been watching these these you.
Speaker 5: Know, people being killed at levels that you've rarely seen,
Speaker 5: not even close since the Second World War. And I'm
Speaker 5: very disappointed. I hear that, you know they're upset about
Speaker 5: not having a seat, Well, they've had a seat for
Speaker 5: three years, and a long time before that.
Speaker 2: This could have been settled very easily, just.
Speaker 5: A half a half baked negotiator could have settled this
Speaker 5: years ago. I think without the loss of much land,
Speaker 5: very little land, without the loss of any lives, and
Speaker 5: without the loss of cities that are just laying on
Speaker 5: their side.
Speaker 2: You have those magnificent.
Speaker 5: Golden domes that are shattered, will never be replaced.
Speaker 2: You can't replace him.
Speaker 4: So that part isn't surprising. Trump has been talking like
Speaker 4: this on the campaign trail, all the way back to
Speaker 4: his town halls of a year ago, when he was
Speaker 4: just even pre debate, So this has been his perspective
Speaker 4: for a very long time. Nothing is surprising.
Speaker 3: Here. Here's where it gets interesting.
Speaker 6: We're hearing that Russia wants to force Ukraine to hold
Speaker 6: new elections in order to.
Speaker 2: Sign any kind of a peace deal.
Speaker 1: Is that something that the US would ever support?
Speaker 4: Well, we have let me pause it there. Just think
Speaker 4: about how ridiculous it is that we've been told for
Speaker 4: three straight years that we must defend the Ukraine in
Speaker 4: order to defend democracy. And this journalist asked what they
Speaker 4: straight face, in all seriousness, why are we demanding that
Speaker 4: Ukraine hold elections? Isn't that kind of a prerequisite for
Speaker 4: a democratic system? Last I checked, don't you have to
Speaker 4: have elections in order to be a democracy, otherwise you're
Speaker 4: in a monarchy or some sort of authoritarian deal. But no,
Speaker 4: they've been in martial law. So I guess democracy isn't
Speaker 4: really what we're defending there now, is it.
Speaker 5: We haven't had elections in Ukraine. Well, we have martial law,
Speaker 5: essentially marshal law in Ukraine. Where the leader in Ukraine,
Speaker 5: I mean, I hate to say it, but he's down
Speaker 5: at four percent approval writing and where a country has
Speaker 5: been blown to smither. Rings got Most of the cities
Speaker 5: are laying on their sides.
Speaker 2: The buildings are collapsed.
Speaker 5: It looks like a massive demolition site the whole. I
Speaker 5: mean so many of the cities. I mean, they haven't
Speaker 5: done it in Kiev because I guess they don't want
Speaker 5: to shoot too many rockets in there. They've done it
Speaker 5: twenty percent, but they haven't done it one hundred percent.
Speaker 5: If they wanted to do it one hundred percent, it
Speaker 5: would probably happen very quickly. But you have cities that
Speaker 5: are absolutely decimated. And yeah, I would say that, you know,
Speaker 5: when they want a seat at the table, you could
Speaker 5: say that people have to wouldn't the people of Ukraine
Speaker 5: have to say, like, you know, it's been a long
Speaker 5: time since we've had an election.
Speaker 2: That's not a Russia thing.
Speaker 5: That's something coming from me and coming from many other
Speaker 5: countries also.
Speaker 4: Who That was a bit of too much truth, huh,
Speaker 4: talking about the fact that there hasn't been elections, that
Speaker 4: there's martial law, that there's been just immense destruction, that
Speaker 4: there's been no appetite for negotiations or peace from the
Speaker 4: Ukrainian side, the side that has been losing this war,
Speaker 4: and the reason that there's been no appetite for negotiations
Speaker 4: of peace is because the will of the people be damned.
Speaker 4: That was not who was calling the shots here. In
Speaker 4: my opinion, it was clearly the US State Department that
Speaker 4: was actually instructing Vladimir Zelensky on what to do and
Speaker 4: when to do it and how to do it. And
Speaker 4: there's a new sheriff in town, so that ain't helping him.
Speaker 4: With his four percent approval rating, now, I haven't double
Speaker 4: checked that to see if that's true. That seems impossibly low,
Speaker 4: especially during wartime, but I'm sure it's not high. So
Speaker 4: let's just assume that Trump is being his normal hyperbolic
Speaker 4: self and it's not exactly four percent, but it is
Speaker 4: in the toilet. Nonetheless, Yeah, this guy's probably lost the
Speaker 4: support of his people and it's time, man. And you know,
Speaker 4: I will disagree with one aspect of this. I mean,
Speaker 4: I do understand Trump's reasoning, but I think if you
Speaker 4: expect the Ukrainian people and the soldiers there who have
Speaker 4: been fighting tooth and nail for three years, those that
Speaker 4: are lucky enough to still be alive to accept whatever
Speaker 4: negotiation or whatever peace deal you come up with, well,
Speaker 4: if they feel as if they haven't had say in that,
Speaker 4: I'm not so sure that you won't see an uptick
Speaker 4: in fighting post peace negotiation, because you don't have the
Speaker 4: sign off from the President of Ukraine. So I think
Speaker 4: that could be a mistake. However, to give Trump his due,
Speaker 4: I think it's probably true that Zelensky is refusing and
Speaker 4: that he is totally unwilling to accept any loss of land,
Speaker 4: and I think that that's ultimately going.
Speaker 3: To be required.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be requisite if you expect there to ever
Speaker 4: be peace, because the larger power has dictated the terms
Speaker 4: of this settlement, as is often the case in war,
Speaker 4: if not always the case in war, that the larger
Speaker 4: power gets to have a better deal than the weaker power.
Speaker 3: It's just how it goes.
Speaker 4: It's how it's been for America in its empire stages.
Speaker 4: We have negotiated terrible peace settlements all the way back
Speaker 4: to Germany and World War One. But Iraq, Afghanistan, I mean,
Speaker 4: we do we implement and use our power and our will,
Speaker 4: our strangle hold over these nations in a pretty vicious fashion.
Speaker 4: So to expect that Russia is not going to do
Speaker 4: the same, I think is just naive. I'm not saying
Speaker 4: it's right, I'm just saying it's naive to think that
Speaker 4: they wouldn't do it too. So my expectation and my
Speaker 4: belief has been the same for years now, and I
Speaker 4: told Destiny about two almost two years ago. I think
Speaker 4: that they are not going to accept anything less than
Speaker 4: Crimea and a land bridge to Crimea. That has been
Speaker 4: the land that they've been holding. I think it's the
Speaker 4: land that they expect to keep. Trump said, you know,
Speaker 4: they haven't taken Kiev.
Speaker 3: He goes, I don't know why. Maybe they just don't want.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think they want to because they don't
Speaker 4: want to actually be on the border of Poland. They
Speaker 4: don't want to be on the border of NATO. In
Speaker 4: my opinion, that is one of the true aspects of
Speaker 4: Putin's perspective on this, is that yes, the expansion of
Speaker 4: NATO into Ukraine was a red line and that they
Speaker 4: were not going.
Speaker 3: To accept that.
Speaker 4: So all of this still aligns with everything that I've
Speaker 4: read and believed about this entire war since its inception,
Speaker 4: and it just seems like this is the inevitable conclusion.
Speaker 4: And I think that Trump is absolutely right that they
Speaker 4: didn't have to lose all of these people in all
Speaker 4: of this land that you could have negotiated very early on,
Speaker 4: if not even prior to the invasion, but certainly a
Speaker 4: month in when there was a negotiated peace settlement that
Speaker 4: was signed off on, at least tentatively, that was torn
Speaker 4: up thanks to Boris Johnson at the direction of I
Speaker 4: believe it was Jake Sullivan. It may have been blinking,
Speaker 4: but it's just terrible. It's just terrible. All of this
Speaker 4: could have been avoided or at least minimized tremendously, and
Speaker 4: so spending it positively though, thank God, that this might
Speaker 4: actually be ending, that the suffering of the Ukrainian people
Speaker 4: might be coming to an end, that there might actually
Speaker 4: be sovereignty left for the Ukrainians, that there might actually
Speaker 4: be a Ukraine left, given that that was not a
Speaker 4: foregone conclusion, I think that that would be good. That
Speaker 4: would be a good thing. And most importantly from the
Speaker 4: American perspective, which is the one I hold and the
Speaker 4: one I care most about, is that we might not
Speaker 4: have to have a war with Russia.
Speaker 3: Hey hooray, which I.
Speaker 4: Might add was the primary reason voted for Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: is because that's what he campaigned on, and it appears
Speaker 4: that he is interested in delivering on that promise. Thank God.
Speaker 4: I do not want to see my little brothers sent
Speaker 4: off to war, especially a war that is you know,
Speaker 4: has the potential to be apocalyptic.
Speaker 3: It's it just had to be avoided.
Speaker 4: And everyone in the Biden administration was one hundred percent
Speaker 4: committed to this war, and everyone in all of the
Speaker 4: West seems to be committed to this war. It's crazy.
Speaker 4: I did want to make this point because you know,
Speaker 4: after J. D. Vance went to Germany, to Munich a
Speaker 4: couple days ago, and he gave that speech that kind
Speaker 4: of chastised them. One aspect of the speech that did
Speaker 4: not chastise them that or that he did not get
Speaker 4: into that I wish he had was that these people
Speaker 4: seem to be most interested in war with Russia, like
Speaker 4: absolutely bloodthirsty they I'll give them, you know there, I'll
Speaker 4: give them the benefit of the doubt and say, it
Speaker 4: does seem to me as if some of them are
Speaker 4: true believers, that they genuinely believe that Putin is about
Speaker 4: to roll across Europe. I have I have never seen
Speaker 4: signs that that's actually in the works, that it's imminent,
Speaker 4: that that's happening, that that's the plan. I don't believe it.
Speaker 4: I don't believe it. If I'm wrong, I will be
Speaker 4: the first to tell you, and I will be tragically
Speaker 4: wrong if that happens. But I just don't think it's
Speaker 4: actually viable. I don't think that Putin can do it.
Speaker 4: I don't think Russia can do it, and I'm not
Speaker 4: even sure that they want to. So I don't think
Speaker 4: that's going to happen. But the leadership of Europe, those
Speaker 4: people in that conference room at the Munich Security Conference,
Speaker 4: they seem one hundred percent convinced that that's going to happen.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you listen to Kure Starmer's speech today,
Speaker 4: He's like, this is as extensive, as existential as it gets.
Speaker 7: I want to thank President Macron for convening us this evening.
Speaker 7: At stake is not just the future of Ukraine. It
Speaker 7: is an existential question for Europe as a whole, and
Speaker 7: they're more vital for Britain's national interest. This is a
Speaker 7: once in a generation moment the collective security of our continent.
Speaker 7: Only a lasting piece in Ukraine that safeguards its sovereignty
Speaker 7: will deter Putin from further aggression in the future. In
Speaker 7: this moment, we have to recognize the new era that
Speaker 7: we are in not cling hopelessly to the comforts of
Speaker 7: the past. It's time for us to take responsibility for
Speaker 7: our security, for our continent. And I've been clear today
Speaker 7: Britain will take a leading responsibility as we always have
Speaker 7: because Ukraine must have a secure future, Europe must have
Speaker 7: a secure future, Britain must have a secure future and
Speaker 7: democratic values must prevail.
Speaker 4: So that's the Prime Minister of the UK Cure Starmer,
Speaker 4: saying we must defend them to the last man. He
Speaker 4: was obviously meeting with a manual crown who lost his
Speaker 4: election in star hasn't stepped down from power after I
Speaker 4: think six months now, so they're pretty much doing away
Speaker 4: with the entire venear that democracy is legitimate and just
Speaker 4: like yeah, they're all warlords. As best I can tell,
Speaker 4: I don't support any of them. They don't believe in
Speaker 4: free speech, they don't believe in human freedom, they don't
Speaker 4: believe in self defense. Why the fuck are these people
Speaker 4: our allies? I don't understand it. I mean, other than
Speaker 4: my lineage, which I think I have some English heritage.
Speaker 4: I think I know I have German. I've got you know,
Speaker 4: just European mutt like most white Americans, you know, I
Speaker 4: feel bad for the people that live there, but I
Speaker 4: have no affinity for the governments of those countries. I
Speaker 4: feel like they're worse than our own, basically how I
Speaker 4: feel about Trudeau in Canada or the poor Australians and
Speaker 4: their government. I don't want to be allied with these
Speaker 4: people any longer. I don't want to be a member
Speaker 4: of NATO any longer. I don't want to be their defender.
Speaker 4: I certainly don't want to be their benefactor or their
Speaker 4: funding source for their unlimited, endless wars because they are
Speaker 4: delusional and believe that Russia's about to conquer them. If
Speaker 4: they believe that, I don't even know. Maybe they're just
Speaker 4: owned by the military industrial complex or intell agencies or
Speaker 4: who knows, uh, Satan himself. I don't know, don't care.
Speaker 4: I don't want to fund it. I don't want to have.
Speaker 4: You know, my countrymen fight and die for these people.
Speaker 4: If they want that war, that's their choice to make.
Speaker 4: That's not mine, and it's not going to be my
Speaker 4: money and my countrymen fighting it for them. Strap up here.
Speaker 4: If you want to fight, you get on the front lines.
Speaker 4: I'm not fucking doing it.
Speaker 3: Not interested.
Speaker 4: Thanks pass so That's how I feel about it. Feel
Speaker 4: free to disagree, if you want to enlist, go at it.
Speaker 3: I am out.
Speaker 4: I am out one d And the good news is
Speaker 4: that it appears the United States, thanks to Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: is also out. We are done with Vladimir Zelenski. We
Speaker 4: are done with this constant escalation escalation against Russia, and
Speaker 4: we are done with endless wars. We're done, thank God.
Speaker 4: Now let's hope I'm right. Let's hope that Trump's stance
Speaker 4: is a fixed one and that this will actually be
Speaker 4: resolved here shortly. And moreover, let's hope for the people
Speaker 4: of Ukraine and Russia and Europe that this war ends
Speaker 4: so that we can get back to just being nice,
Speaker 4: normal people again. What a novel concept, all right. Today's
Speaker 4: interview is with a buddy of mine. He is Josiah Baker.
Speaker 4: He's the chair of the Libertarian Party of Tennessee. He's
Speaker 4: running for reelection, so I decided to have him on
Speaker 4: give him a little boost.
Speaker 3: See if that helps. I'm just kidding. I just wanted
Speaker 3: to chat with him for a bit.
Speaker 4: This does get a little bit inside baseball. We talk
Speaker 4: a little bit about the inside of the party itself
Speaker 4: and how that's all functioning. I don't know if you'll
Speaker 4: find that part interesting, but I think you will find
Speaker 4: the parts interesting in terms of like tactical discussions. How
Speaker 4: is it that the Libertarian Party can be utilized to
Speaker 4: make the Republican Party more viable? How it can actually
Speaker 4: make it better? Because as of now it is a duopoly.
Speaker 4: Can we make half of the duopoly at least not
Speaker 4: existentially terrible. Well, it appears that we may have, and
Speaker 4: it appears that if we continue on that path and
Speaker 4: that trajectory, we might be.
Speaker 3: Able to improve it further. We'll see.
Speaker 4: It's an interesting It's an interesting combo. Hope you guys
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Speaker 6: And it takes a strong libertarian party to get a
Speaker 6: more libertarian Republican party.
Speaker 4: Well, you and I agree on that clearly, and I
Speaker 4: think that it's worked. I think that the first time
Speaker 4: we were I guess we weren't even that strong of
Speaker 4: a party. Our candidate certainly wasn't strong, but it just
Speaker 4: seemed as if the movement and our influencers were strong
Speaker 4: in that arena, and that was kind of enough to
Speaker 4: give Angela the the leverage by which he can negotiate
Speaker 4: real concessions from the Republicans.
Speaker 3: So I'll start there.
Speaker 4: What Stephen Nakaila is the interim chair after Angela mccartil's
Speaker 4: stepped down. Just curious what your thoughts are about him.
Speaker 4: I'm not super familiar, So what do you think.
Speaker 8: Stephen is a He's a nice guy.
Speaker 6: Had a meeting with him not long ago to kind
Speaker 6: of grasp his take on everything. I didn't even know
Speaker 6: he was in the running for it till the bonkers
Speaker 6: LNC clown show meeting that he kind of got pushed
Speaker 6: through there and the whole I'm not going to bore
Speaker 6: people about internal LP politics because I'll fall asleep mid sentence.
Speaker 6: But in essence, he got thrown in at the last
Speaker 6: second to get it. I know he's wanted it for
Speaker 6: a while. Ran against angela nice guy. I hope that
Speaker 6: he has the fortitude of the intestinmal variety to continue
Speaker 6: the work. He said that he supports the PDR strategy
Speaker 6: that Michael Heiss has created, which is an actual tangible
Speaker 6: metric to winning focusing on nullification elections at the state
Speaker 6: local levels. I support that PDR stand for Project Decentralized Revolution.
Speaker 6: There's a great essay that Heyst wrote up about it.
Speaker 6: He's also read it. Read the essay.
Speaker 4: I'm well aware this is for my audience's sake. Yeah
Speaker 4: you can't. You're talking like a military guy using acronyms
Speaker 4: that you know. Normanis have no idea what you mean.
Speaker 6: Total So Project a Centralized Revolution essentially says the Libertarian
Speaker 6: Party needs to be honest with itself, and for over
Speaker 6: fifty years it's been largely irrelevant. It's viewed by the
Speaker 6: public as people that show up every four years, screw
Speaker 6: up an election, crawl back in their hole like puks
Speaker 6: of Ponty Phil. But with politics and the reason Libertarians
Speaker 6: need to be honest with themselves. We had up until
Speaker 6: this last election, no tangible wins at all unless you
Speaker 6: count you know, internet verbal chess as wins, dunking on people,
Speaker 6: nothing in the real world, nothing in meat space, and hey.
Speaker 4: Come on, come on, don't downplay it. We want a
Speaker 4: lot of Internet blood support pattle.
Speaker 6: Oh yes, yes, a lot of a lot of feudal
Speaker 6: arguments into the wee hours of the morning. But yeah,
Speaker 6: but Mike's vision with PDR Project to Centralized Revolution was
Speaker 6: being honest understanding we as a party need to stop
Speaker 6: throwing spaghetti at a wall and hope something sticks.
Speaker 8: Have a honed in focus, and it was state level.
Speaker 6: We need to focus on local elections with actual nullification
Speaker 6: powers like city council, school constable, share of county commission,
Speaker 6: mayor these seats that can nullify state and federal eicts.
Speaker 6: Because we all learned during COVID it matters who your
Speaker 6: local government body is and your state government body. Well,
Speaker 6: a lot of us tout Ronda Santis and the way
Speaker 6: Florida handle COVID. That's why state level and local level matter,
Speaker 6: because the dirty secret is whatever the Feds say we're
Speaker 6: going to do, they need local compliance to do so, yep.
Speaker 6: And that's why we focus on those seats. It's actual
Speaker 6: seats of power. It's not, hey, I'm the you know,
Speaker 6: I'm the local dog catcher.
Speaker 8: Nobody cares power.
Speaker 4: And most importantly, it's they're winnable seats as opposed to
Speaker 4: federal elections, so, you know, federal elections. I think I
Speaker 4: still believe what I said, you know, three years ago,
Speaker 4: that if Dave Smith type of figure were to run
Speaker 4: at the national level, it would be a boon to
Speaker 4: us and that it would be.
Speaker 3: Well well worth doing.
Speaker 4: As we saw with the Chase Oliver campaign, that is
Speaker 4: the opposite of effective, and it basically makes no impact whatsoever,
Speaker 4: and every penny spent in that endeavor is wasted as
Speaker 4: best I can tell. So I think that's where I'm
Speaker 4: at with it now. Is like you either run a
Speaker 4: Ron Paul level, you know, firebrand with charisma that can
Speaker 4: attract people, or you don't run federally at all, and
Speaker 4: that that's, you know, that may be an unpopular opinion,
Speaker 4: because who decides who is the type of candidate that
Speaker 4: is worthy of running federally? But you know, that's that's
Speaker 4: kind of where I fall on these things. I do
Speaker 4: think that the you know, projecting centralized revolution is the
Speaker 4: much more viable path moving forward. I'm curious what your
Speaker 4: thoughts are on, you know, the Trump administration so far.
Speaker 4: I've if you've listened to any of my latest episodes
Speaker 4: or coverage, I'm certainly pleasantly surprised. I think he has
Speaker 4: exceeded expectations. I think he's done things that I really
Speaker 4: didn't expect, things he didn't even promise. The USAID funding
Speaker 4: freeze is an absolute, i mean windfall for anybody that
Speaker 4: understands how the State Department really functions and how our
Speaker 4: foreign policy is implemented. So I'm still I'm still at
Speaker 4: a loss as to how so many libertarians seem to
Speaker 4: give him no credit, no grace, whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Where do you fall?
Speaker 6: I think the greatest analogy him ever is Tennessee's very
Speaker 6: on Andrew Jackson who with Yeah, like any other man
Speaker 6: as president, you have your faults, but he did roll
Speaker 6: back the state and the banking system with I'm i'm.
Speaker 6: I was optimistic, hopeful, maybe even to a naive point
Speaker 6: that he made these these concessions in these sales pitches,
Speaker 6: and ross was free massive, biggest win in the history
Speaker 6: of the party, actually affecting something nationally. And then he's
Speaker 6: the talk of Department of Education being abolished.
Speaker 8: Is is in the zeitgeist right now.
Speaker 6: And yeah, the USA, which is the CIA arm of
Speaker 6: regime change, along with everything else that our money has
Speaker 6: been wasted on, that being burnt to the ground. It's
Speaker 6: almost as if this man had zero fs to give anymore.
Speaker 6: After they tried to tried to impeach him, tried to
Speaker 6: kill him twice, you know, tried everything against him, and
Speaker 6: now he's coming in not needing a reelection.
Speaker 8: He's like, screw it, meant I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 6: I can firmly say, for the most part, he's the
Speaker 6: most libertarian president of my lifetime. YEP, with what he's done,
Speaker 6: and I can say that with full confidence. At the
Speaker 6: same time, I'm not crazy about the UH, the Israel
Speaker 6: continued funding of genocide, the gozit plan. But again, he
Speaker 6: talks a lot like a real estate mogul. Let me,
Speaker 6: let me look at this, and this is what I'm
Speaker 6: going to short sell you at. And I don't know
Speaker 6: if it's a tactic.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 8: It's it's a wait and see.
Speaker 6: But I'm kind of in a wait, kind of in
Speaker 6: a wait and see mode, you know, if that makes sense.
Speaker 6: At this point, I mean, he's gone after US eight,
Speaker 6: He's gone after all these departments. He's going after all
Speaker 6: these things, which is the best that we've seen in ever.
Speaker 6: It's it's kind of crazy when you roll out of
Speaker 6: bed and look at Twitter X and go, oh my god, really,
Speaker 6: Elon's having a heyday with it. I hope to continue
Speaker 6: to see these policies go, but I mean it's been
Speaker 6: pretty wild, and there are people that are like, well,
Speaker 6: it's got to go through the proper channel executive orders.
Speaker 6: I don't care he's using executive orders to fight unconstitutionality.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 6: It's it's he's reducing the government fraction by whatever means necessary,
Speaker 6: and I.
Speaker 8: Think that's a win and we should celebrate that win.
Speaker 6: We can be critical when he's not good, just like
Speaker 6: you and Scott and other voices are.
Speaker 3: Dave, and that's good.
Speaker 6: You know, we've got a bull in a china shop
Speaker 6: and he's got blood in his eyes, so that's a
Speaker 6: good thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let him, let him run wild as long as
Speaker 4: he's running in the right direction. Is kind of how
Speaker 4: I feel about it. And yeah, I mean I think
Speaker 4: that particularly Dose, you know, didn't it didn't come across
Speaker 4: in its early manifestation or like its pitch as having
Speaker 4: any teeth. And most of us, particularly the you know,
Speaker 4: given that most of us are very jaded, we expected
Speaker 4: very little from it. That it would be kind of
Speaker 4: an advisory board that may highlight some things but probably
Speaker 4: won't get much done. That is not what this thing is.
Speaker 3: So far. It seems to.
Speaker 4: Be very very meaningful actually in a way that is pervasive.
Speaker 4: I mean, like they're going and they're going after DoD,
Speaker 4: I mean, they're going after the Pentagon. These are they're
Speaker 4: doing things that like most i mean the most pessimistic
Speaker 4: amongst us, would have never thought possible. Like it's just
Speaker 4: it's just unbelievable. Actually, maybe maybe the most optimistic amongst
Speaker 4: us would have never thought possible. So I'm I'm at
Speaker 4: this point. Yeah, I'm gonna wait and see mode on
Speaker 4: all of the bad things that he's talking about, because
Speaker 4: as of now, he's doing good things. He's saying a
Speaker 4: couple bad things, but he's not doing the bad things yet.
Speaker 4: So that's where I'm at. I think we also have
Speaker 4: to wait and see when it comes to the tariff
Speaker 4: you know, wars and whether or not that just ends
Speaker 4: up reducing net tariffs or if it increases tariffs across
Speaker 4: the board. As of now, I'm still not certain because
Speaker 4: he seems to be getting a lot of concessions from
Speaker 4: countries by utilizing that threat, so, you know. And and
Speaker 4: then lastly, I totally agree with you on the the
Speaker 4: you know, executive orders. If you're using executive power to
Speaker 4: fight unconstitutional things, great, If you're using executive powers to
Speaker 4: do uncon unconstitutional things, well then yeah we're going to
Speaker 4: have a conversation. So yeah, across the board, I just I,
Speaker 4: you know, for my audience's sake, and I think it
Speaker 4: would be interesting just to get your perspective. My opinion
Speaker 4: is that Trump, as you said earlier, he's the most
Speaker 4: libertarian president in your lifetime. That doesn't make him perfect,
Speaker 4: but I think that most libertarians in the country feel
Speaker 4: the same way. But then if you actually look at
Speaker 4: you know, l NC type of communications on this thing.
Speaker 4: By that I mean Libertarian National it seems as as
Speaker 4: if it's pretty divided. Do you think that the the
Speaker 4: broader you know, the delegates, the higher ups within the
Speaker 4: Libertarian party are out of touch with the average libertarian voter,
Speaker 4: because I certainly feel so.
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, there is I think a disconnect because a
Speaker 6: lot of uh, and I don't just blame it on
Speaker 6: the autism joke, but a lot of libertarians involved in
Speaker 6: libertarian inc are so zoomed in and live in such
Speaker 6: theory in twenty four to seven that they don't understand
Speaker 6: praxeology in the real world, and they don't understand it.
Speaker 6: There's I hate the old adage it was corny. Either
Speaker 6: you're just libertarian you don't know it yet, But a
Speaker 6: lot of folks do think in these these ideals. They
Speaker 6: just don't. You know, people go and they say, something
Speaker 6: smells wrong about this. You know, why is this? Why
Speaker 6: is this the case?
Speaker 3: Hey? Why is it? Why? You know?
Speaker 6: Your average American goes, why is everything so high? It
Speaker 6: doesn't make sense? They're thinking and they're so close, but
Speaker 6: libertarians tend to go into it with the gift of
Speaker 6: the well actually mean in a full dissertation that just
Speaker 6: turns people away. It's it's you have to be relatable.
Speaker 6: And I think, honestly, honestly, I thought Angela did a
Speaker 6: heck of the job making Libertarians relatable to people in
Speaker 6: the real world that aren't just in our little circles.
Speaker 8: And we have to maintain that.
Speaker 6: Whether it happens from the national standpoint currently or not
Speaker 6: remains to be seen. But I want to see that
Speaker 6: more action, more connectivity, more coalition. You know, in Tennessee,
Speaker 6: what we do like coalition is the pipeline two productive membership,
Speaker 6: you know, and sometimes I hate to break it.
Speaker 8: Addition is by some traction like like raw dollars.
Speaker 6: Sure, raw dollars are great, raw dollars that have no
Speaker 6: arms and legs to do anything productive. It's it's you know,
Speaker 6: and and punching above our weight like we've been doing.
Speaker 8: We have to continue that.
Speaker 6: And I think I think that hopefully some folks with
Speaker 6: national will will heed that we're kind of in a
Speaker 6: waiting pattern here and we'll see what happens in Grand Rapids.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll just I'll just say it bluntly.
Speaker 4: I think that, you know, subtraction when it comes to
Speaker 4: people that are in the Libertarian Party because they're obsessed
Speaker 4: with like trans issues or you know, gay rights and
Speaker 4: oppression and all this stuff that really just falls into
Speaker 4: the progressive umbrella. I don't think that they're best fit.
Speaker 4: And I know they feel the same way about me.
Speaker 4: So there's no law love loss between either side. But
Speaker 4: I just don't see this systemic oppression.
Speaker 3: Narrative as being viable.
Speaker 4: The people that think that racism is the biggest problem
Speaker 4: that faces this country, and there are people, there are
Speaker 4: people in Libertarian Party that feel that way. I feel
Speaker 4: like they're just not in the right place.
Speaker 8: Well, man, it's it's much easier.
Speaker 6: Back before Douglas Murray got retarded with war, he had
Speaker 6: a great book called The Madness of Crowds and I
Speaker 6: love It's one of my favorite books, and it talks
Speaker 6: about Saint George, right, the old Saint George from England.
Speaker 6: Once he retired after slaying the dragon, he moved on
Speaker 6: to lizards and snakes and raccoons, and then eventually they
Speaker 6: found him in the middle of his field swinging his
Speaker 6: sword at thin air because.
Speaker 3: There was nothing left to slay.
Speaker 6: But it's a lot easier for libertarians, especially identitarians, where
Speaker 6: the name tag of my identity is how I that's
Speaker 6: my social credit, the pain olympic types. It's easier to
Speaker 6: go and solve problems that are largely solved as racism
Speaker 6: one hundred percent gone.
Speaker 8: No, does it have power?
Speaker 6: No, you know, we have more productive things, especially as libertarians,
Speaker 6: to worry about life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, property rights,
Speaker 6: these things that are clearly egregiously smashed by the federal
Speaker 6: and state governments. That's what we should be focusing on,
Speaker 6: and that's why I'm so issues focused. But when it
Speaker 6: becomes identity politic game, it falls on deaf ears. And
Speaker 6: again I'm not saying I'm against this, that or the
Speaker 6: other group. I'm for human beings are.
Speaker 4: That's the problem, though, is that you shouldn't even have
Speaker 4: to say that. Everything you everything you said to open
Speaker 4: this was you know, life, life, liberty, property, you know,
Speaker 4: pursuit of happening, all that that is applicable to everybody,
Speaker 4: if you're trans, black, gay, whatever like that. All of
Speaker 4: these principles are basically universal. So yes, who cares. It's
Speaker 4: it's just not it's just not worth our focus. But
Speaker 4: the problem is is that what I found is that
Speaker 4: those that are obsessed with the things that are kind
Speaker 4: of they're tilting at win windmals when you know, racism
Speaker 4: being the specter that haunts us daily, they're also the
Speaker 4: ones that are are most prone to missing the genuine, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, topic that must be right, like you must
Speaker 4: be right about in the moment, and they get they
Speaker 4: get the Ukraine stuff wrong, they get the lockdowns, they
Speaker 4: get the vaxed stuff wrong, like across the board. There's
Speaker 4: something about how the people that are obsessed with the
Speaker 4: whole liberal worldview, they also cannot see what's happening in
Speaker 4: real time. And I just from my vantage point, that
Speaker 4: makes them essentially useless. And you know that sounds like
Speaker 4: a harsh conbination.
Speaker 3: But useless or useful idiot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the overlap is significant, and I don't think it's
Speaker 4: a coincidence. I think it has something to do with
Speaker 4: your worldview. I really do it does.
Speaker 6: And it's a worldview that stems from Marxism with power,
Speaker 6: dynamic and paying Olympic type. I call it theology honestly,
Speaker 6: and viewing it through that instead of through a first
Speaker 6: principles lens of again life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, property rights,
Speaker 6: non aggression, which is not non violent. By the way,
Speaker 6: a lot of people equate those two. Aggression and violence
Speaker 6: are two different things. But you are correct, and what
Speaker 6: ends up happening is the blemish tarnishes the garment, if
Speaker 6: you will, those blemishes in the past, as libertarians like
Speaker 6: you and my, You and me, we didn't get involved
Speaker 6: in the party until recent history because like we looked
Speaker 6: at it and we were like, I'm not wearing clown
Speaker 6: shoes and undermining my entire influence with my social circles
Speaker 6: and my professional circles because all someone's going to do
Speaker 6: is google Libertarian Party and see some naked dude on
Speaker 6: c Span. Now after Angela's term here, we have such quality,
Speaker 6: such quality content that is in the zeitgeist of the
Speaker 6: American citizen. I mean, during our national convention, we were
Speaker 6: all having people text us They're like.
Speaker 3: Hey, you're libertarian, right, what is going on? Oh my god?
Speaker 6: Because Donald Trump and RFK are They're giving their sales
Speaker 6: pitch to a voter block in an election that had
Speaker 6: razor thin margins.
Speaker 8: That's wielding actual power. And honestly, I'd.
Speaker 6: Be okay if the LNC nominated Chase Oliver for presidential
Speaker 6: candidate every year, because it's the ultimate weight in retrospect
Speaker 6: to wield power from a national standpoint in different states.
Speaker 3: I disagree. I disagree, all right, So hear me out.
Speaker 4: This is what my thought process was because we didn't
Speaker 4: get much in terms of concessions. We didn't get a
Speaker 4: libertarian in the cabinet, specifically because we did not endorse
Speaker 4: Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: And if you know, this.
Speaker 4: Is going to be very controversial, but I just think
Speaker 4: it's it's worth consideration. So let's just do the thought experiment.
Speaker 4: So the whole reason that Bobby Kennedy is now the
Speaker 4: head of HHS, which wields.
Speaker 3: Enormous power, eenormous.
Speaker 4: It's about as big as any single department right up
Speaker 4: there with you know, DoD Pentagon type of stuff. Major
Speaker 4: too much in terms of power, honestly, But the reason
Speaker 4: he got that is because he was polling at ten
Speaker 4: percent and he dropped out and he endorsed Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: and like he had immense leverage, he used it at
Speaker 4: its maximal time and he pissed off a lot of
Speaker 4: his supporters, but he ended up getting into something that
Speaker 4: he probably would have never been capable of doing, Like
Speaker 4: he wasn't going to win the presidency because the DNC
Speaker 4: had already blocked him out.
Speaker 3: So this was this was his only.
Speaker 4: Pathway to actual political power. He worked at masterfully, and
Speaker 4: I think that he's going to do a great job
Speaker 4: as HHS. So my thesis is this, we don't run
Speaker 4: at Jase Oliver. We run a Dave Smith level character,
Speaker 4: and we then negotiate once we're pulling four or five
Speaker 4: percent in a margin that we can actually, you know,
Speaker 4: shift the outcome of an election, and then we throw
Speaker 4: our support to somebody whoever's most in alignment, whoever promises
Speaker 4: us the most. That's going to be very unpopular amongst
Speaker 4: the LLENC faithful. But I'm curious what your thoughts are.
Speaker 4: Is that is that something we could ever consider.
Speaker 6: I don't disagree that's a very good idea because and
Speaker 6: again it all a lot of this depends on how
Speaker 6: the midterms go, because you know, it's always set up, punch,
Speaker 6: set up punch midterms.
Speaker 3: It depends.
Speaker 6: Right now, let's say this hot streak of libertarian values continue,
Speaker 6: right and all of a sudden, the GOP as a debater,
Speaker 6: I once heard, all of a sudden, they're no longer
Speaker 6: campaigning like Ron Paul and ruling like John McCain, but
Speaker 6: now they're behaving like Ron Paul.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Ud, So the calculus now become.
Speaker 6: Like, how do we continue to infect the populace with
Speaker 6: libertarian ideals and keep it in the mainstream. So there's
Speaker 6: there's scenarios where, yeah, the GOP continues to do this,
Speaker 6: who knows. And I do think the next cycle, you know,
Speaker 6: I was in jest kind of saying that earlier because
Speaker 6: it was such a razor thin margin and Chase took
Speaker 6: all the Democrat votes in those swing states. I think
Speaker 6: it's a good calculus for, you know, someone of principle
Speaker 6: of value, like a Dave Smith, a Clint Russell, Thomas Massey,
Speaker 6: who knows. You know, I love Glenn Jacobs myself, but
Speaker 6: he's a lifetime LP member, Mesa's institute guy. But someone
Speaker 6: that can really now that we've got now that that
Speaker 6: wound is open, and we cannot just go in there
Speaker 6: and cut cut out the bad tissue of the state
Speaker 6: using its own mechanisms. Now we can really precision with
Speaker 6: a really principled, libertarian, well spoken, likable, electable, that's the
Speaker 6: key word, electable candidate, because shit, man, we've got Hobby
Speaker 6: or Malay doing what he's doing down there, and this
Speaker 6: blueprint right now feels a lot, a lot similar to
Speaker 6: Cuera cut it all. So yeah, next time around, someone
Speaker 6: of principal fire up the base, I think, I think,
Speaker 6: and then you're looking at it getting even harder concessions.
Speaker 6: We all knew that the relationship of the Israeli state
Speaker 6: and the United States state are so intermingled, dude, it's
Speaker 6: like a stage four tumor around the spinal cord inoperable
Speaker 6: right now, So we might just have to gut the body.
Speaker 8: And lord, we knew that was going to be the
Speaker 8: hardest sell. I think we all know that.
Speaker 3: Because yeah and no, and we were right. It's not
Speaker 3: much has changed in that regard.
Speaker 4: So but yeah, I think I think it's a So
Speaker 4: here's my concern because Angela's stepped down, which you know,
Speaker 4: obviously disappointed me because I was a big fan of
Speaker 4: what she was doing. Stephen Akaela comes in. I don't
Speaker 4: know much about the guy, but the first thing that goes,
Speaker 4: you know, kind of mini viral.
Speaker 3: In my world is.
Speaker 4: That he essentially posts firing it looked like the comms
Speaker 4: person for LP National because they quote tweeted, you know,
Speaker 4: one of Kanye West kind of deranged rants and said,
Speaker 4: you know, this is this is what free speech looks like,
Speaker 4: or something like that, like not endorsing what he was saying,
Speaker 4: but just saying like this is the value of free speech.
Speaker 4: And I had no problem with it. I didn't think
Speaker 4: it was controversial. I hadn't even seen anybody upset by it.
Speaker 4: But apparently the person was let go as a consequence.
Speaker 4: As you would imagine, that caused very, very big concerns
Speaker 4: to me as someone who I used to ghost write
Speaker 4: for LP National for a couple months back in the day.
Speaker 4: And I think that the most compelling avenue for LP
Speaker 4: National and our messaging is to be on the cutting edge,
Speaker 4: to be playing off of viral things like that, and
Speaker 4: to be pushing the envelope a little bit here and there.
Speaker 4: Maybe not to LP n H level, but you know,
Speaker 4: some somewhere somewhere, you know, fifty percent to that.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: And it seems as if my concern is that this
Speaker 4: party is going back in the direction of the more
Speaker 4: progressive wing.
Speaker 3: Am I wrong?
Speaker 6: So that specific thing that that tweet by who I
Speaker 6: don't even know who crafted it. It was a glaring
Speaker 6: example I understand exactly what it was, a glaring example of, Hey,
Speaker 6: this is proof we have free speech. The fact that
Speaker 6: Kanye is saying this, this kind of stuff in the open,
Speaker 6: and then you and then you fast forward a week
Speaker 6: or whatever, and you see what the German people are
Speaker 6: saying that this week in the news cycle about cancelation
Speaker 6: of free speech and free speech is actually the problem.
Speaker 6: That's how Hitler it's always Hitler. Well, that's how Hitler
Speaker 6: came to power. It was free speech check's notes. Okay,
Speaker 6: you know we couldn't use those three examples.
Speaker 8: It's free speech's fault. Yeah, I thought the tweet was
Speaker 8: in if you read it.
Speaker 6: The problem is most people don't read read it and
Speaker 6: think what they're saying it's one hundred percent agreeable.
Speaker 3: That's that's how I felt.
Speaker 6: This is like, this is hard proof Kanye West can
Speaker 6: say this, this is proof that free speech exists. Yeah,
Speaker 6: not agreeing with what he's saying, whatever, it's an example
Speaker 6: that it exists.
Speaker 8: So I hope that that's not the case.
Speaker 6: But like I said, there was a good, a good
Speaker 6: meeting that I was involved in with with the current
Speaker 6: chair and vice chair. And you know, I'm a national
Speaker 6: board member with the Mesas Caucus as well. And there's
Speaker 6: a reason the real world is paying attention to the
Speaker 6: Libertarian Party right now, and it's because it had to
Speaker 6: be stripped down and built back up, one principal brick
Speaker 6: at a time. And if he doesn't continue with Angela's
Speaker 6: plans and methods, it will be solely on him because
Speaker 6: the the internal infrastructure of being the best voiced libertarian
Speaker 6: party with tentacles into the real world is already there. Okay,
Speaker 6: it's it's going to be on him, Okay if it
Speaker 6: doesn't happen.
Speaker 4: So so you think you think he will continue in
Speaker 4: the mccardal esque path because it that that didn't send
Speaker 4: that message. No, you don't think so, Okay.
Speaker 8: I think I think it will be a slow roll
Speaker 8: of capitulation.
Speaker 6: The problem a lot of libertarians is we say life, liberty, property, right,
Speaker 6: that matters, that, the nap whatever. The chief value to
Speaker 6: a lot of libertarians is niceness, go along and get alongness.
Speaker 4: That's not productivity, man, that that is definitely not my worldview.
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, productivity, passion on the values the first principles
Speaker 6: of libertarianism not go along to get along, go along
Speaker 6: to get along as way down here and go along
Speaker 6: to get along. It can chop you off with the
Speaker 6: knees for some of the especially some of these people
Speaker 6: that love playing libertarian Game of thrones, who who can
Speaker 6: be the least effective but get to where the name act. Dude,
Speaker 6: I don't care do to work like I've never understood
Speaker 6: this match.
Speaker 3: I couldn't.
Speaker 4: I couldn't care less about getting to where the name
Speaker 4: tag of power within the LP. It's see like when
Speaker 4: I said, you know, niceness is not my concern. It's
Speaker 4: not that I'm not nice. I'm actually very nice, particularly
Speaker 4: to my friends, and I'm very loyal too. But when
Speaker 4: it comes to like people that I don't know tried
Speaker 4: to lock me in my house and put crap in
Speaker 4: my body that I didn't want, and then, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: put my great great grandkids into thirty seven trillion and
Speaker 4: going up exponentially of debt, and uh also led me
Speaker 4: into wars based off of lies and risk nuclear war.
Speaker 4: Over the past two years three years with this proxy
Speaker 4: work against the largest nuclear power in human history in Russia.
Speaker 4: It's like, should I be fucking nice to those people?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the fucking the answer is fuck no, I shouldn't
Speaker 4: be nice, and I shouldn't be I shouldn't be like
Speaker 4: soft pedaling. How upset I am with these people. So
Speaker 4: this is, this is and I think that's the reason
Speaker 4: I'm successful as a messenger for us is that like
Speaker 4: I reflect genuine anger. It's not performative. It's like it's
Speaker 4: it's applicable, like I use it where applicable. And I
Speaker 4: think that that's that's actually what a lot of people
Speaker 4: want to see, especially if you're not a party that has,
Speaker 4: you know, duopoly power structure where you have like a
Speaker 4: guaranteed fifty percent shot at the throne. It's like, well
Speaker 4: we are, we have to fight like an upstart. Like,
Speaker 4: let's fight like an upstart. Let's get attention, let's say
Speaker 4: the things in a way that are compelling and passionate.
Speaker 4: And so yeah, if you're it seems like you share
Speaker 4: my concerns that mister Nikaela will not be head in
Speaker 4: that direction. He reached out to me, wants to have
Speaker 4: a lunch, So I'll reserve judgment and and see if
Speaker 4: if he's actually not as soft on these things as
Speaker 4: it seems. But I think it would be a huge
Speaker 4: mistake to go back to the messaging brand of old
Speaker 4: and I know many within the party want to do that,
Speaker 4: and I just I just can't disagree with them more.
Speaker 4: I think they're totally wrong headed, and I think that
Speaker 4: they're they've essentially grown accustomed to just getting their teeth
Speaker 4: kicked in and all they care about is respectability. And
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know what what do you
Speaker 4: think it is about their mentality that that makes them
Speaker 4: feel like that's a good path to take.
Speaker 6: I think everybody likes to feel like the smartest guy
Speaker 6: at the gastro pub. It's a very hipster mentality, and
Speaker 6: it's very it's a very elitist mentality. But from Timu,
Speaker 6: it's it's I want to be the smug smart guy
Speaker 6: I actually know better.
Speaker 8: Okay, well, can you show me anything tangible that this works?
Speaker 3: Will know?
Speaker 6: But you know, it's that it's that kind of mentality.
Speaker 6: And also, like a lot of things are are union
Speaker 6: projection where people that claim about gatekeeping and social clubism
Speaker 6: and all this stuff, in reality that's what they want
Speaker 6: things to be. They don't want to take chances. They
Speaker 6: don't want to go out in the real world and
Speaker 6: make a difference. They don't want to bully politicians or
Speaker 6: whip politicians to vote the right way on.
Speaker 3: Things they don't know.
Speaker 6: They don't maybe they don't know how, or they they
Speaker 6: want to is not there, because it's much safer to
Speaker 6: be to not make waves, to not take risks, which
Speaker 6: is exactly what the party.
Speaker 3: Is not meant to do.
Speaker 8: It's meant to educate the populace and when.
Speaker 4: It and I understand you're just explaining their thought process,
Speaker 4: but let's just point out the fatal flaw in that logic.
Speaker 4: It is not safer to just go along to get
Speaker 4: along when you're dealing with tyrannical government, Like that is
Speaker 4: not the safe pathway forward. The safe pathway is actually
Speaker 4: to risk something now so you don't end up in
Speaker 4: prison later. Like that's that's how you do it. And
Speaker 4: they seem to have that totally backwards. They're like like
Speaker 4: they're already living under communism and they're afraid of being
Speaker 4: the tallest nail that's gonna get hammered down. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, like, we're not
Speaker 4: under communism yet, folks. We need to actually be courageous.
Speaker 4: We need to be bold, We need to stand up now.
Speaker 4: The more people that stand up and demonstrate that courage,
Speaker 4: the more we enable our friends and family to do
Speaker 4: the same, in which case we might be able to
Speaker 4: save this system. And it just seems as if they
Speaker 4: don't have that optimism or they just don't see how
Speaker 4: dire it is. And I think many of them don't
Speaker 4: see how dire it is, and that concerns me deeply.
Speaker 6: Well, it's it's not just dire, but like for as
Speaker 6: quickly and as many words per minuted people can type
Speaker 6: through their thumbs or on their keyboard to get someone
Speaker 6: in person, and they can't make eye contact, and it's awkward.
Speaker 6: We for a long time, there was a lot of
Speaker 6: people that needed the Libertarian Party, I think for personal validation.
Speaker 6: Now we have people like yourself, like Dave, people that
Speaker 6: don't need the Libertarian Party.
Speaker 8: The party needs them.
Speaker 6: People that are inherently impressive, professional people that can espouse
Speaker 6: the values, make the eye contact, have the inflection, get
Speaker 6: people on their feet, and that's viewed as a threat,
Speaker 6: so it's easier to just double down and go along
Speaker 6: to get along, and.
Speaker 3: It'll be fine, It'll be whatever.
Speaker 6: Maybe I'll get a nice maybe I'll get invited on
Speaker 6: the Seless show every year on c SPAN to talk
Speaker 6: about a fringe art, you know, article or topic, or
Speaker 6: maybe I can make a case argument for why vaccine
Speaker 6: a mass mandates are actually a good thing. Things of
Speaker 6: this nature, the way that they don't just kiss the ring,
Speaker 6: they swallow it, shit it out and kiss it again,
Speaker 6: and and like that is not who we are, dude, right,
Speaker 6: And the funny part is who were supposed to be people.
Speaker 6: We're all just normal people working our careers, doing our jobs.
Speaker 6: We live and bleed for this stuff. And that's why
Speaker 6: I get involved, looking at looking at the COVID regime,
Speaker 6: hearing absolutely nothing from national whatsoever.
Speaker 8: Hey, let's talk about a topic from nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, no, what are you doing?
Speaker 8: This is the most egregious overreach of all time.
Speaker 6: And again this is why not only federal like our
Speaker 6: national messaging matters, but it's why our state level party
Speaker 6: activity matters, because we learned it during COVID.
Speaker 8: That's why you're in Florida, you know, It's why I'm
Speaker 8: inn state.
Speaker 4: It's state states matter tremendously. I could not agree more.
Speaker 4: Here's my concern is that if the party does revert
Speaker 4: back to the the more progressive lane post mccardal, which
Speaker 4: it sounds as if maybe that is the trajectory for
Speaker 4: the next year or so until there's another election, I
Speaker 4: think that there's a real distinct possibly and this may
Speaker 4: happen regardless of what happens in the Libertarian Party. Let's
Speaker 4: be honest, because Trump as of now is governing in
Speaker 4: a much more libertarian vein and seems to have much
Speaker 4: more support from not people within the party but just
Speaker 4: small l libertarians all across the country. That what we're
Speaker 4: gonna see, unfortunately, in my opinion, is what we saw
Speaker 4: when Ron Paul was running in the GOP that all
Speaker 4: of the good Libertarians, all of the people that I
Speaker 4: like for the most part, left for the GOP to
Speaker 4: support Ron Paul, and I feel like many of them
Speaker 4: are doing the same and supporting Trump. I guess you
Speaker 4: could say I'm in that camp because I came out
Speaker 4: of the closet and supported him in the last you know,
Speaker 4: ten days before the election too.
Speaker 3: Is that is that a concern of yours?
Speaker 6: So yes, but also know you're always going to have
Speaker 6: the attrition of people because of the path of least resistance.
Speaker 6: And right now the GOP is is towing the line
Speaker 6: on on some some key good issues. And by the way,
Speaker 6: I say throw all the Congress out. They could have
Speaker 6: been doing this shit the entire time. That took Elon's
Speaker 6: ass bergers to do.
Speaker 3: But but.
Speaker 6: That's that that's going to happen, and I think Libertarians
Speaker 6: need to be okay with that.
Speaker 3: We need we need.
Speaker 8: Everyone to be on their a game.
Speaker 6: And the reason I'm sticking around in the Libertarian Party,
Speaker 6: and again I work with GOP and I work with
Speaker 6: some Democrats when it comes to issues, I'm staying with it.
Speaker 6: I think there needs to be a song strong, principled
Speaker 6: Libertarian party at all times as a check, if you will,
Speaker 6: to make sure that what we just had happened this
Speaker 6: last election happens every election where.
Speaker 4: People agree with our values out I agree with you,
Speaker 4: But if we experience that attrition, then are we not
Speaker 4: basically making the party not that? Because that's that's my
Speaker 4: that's my worry, is that it ends up not being
Speaker 4: a good enough party to actually get these concessions that
Speaker 4: we got last GOO around, particularly because there was so
Speaker 4: much opposition to what Angela was doing. I mean, like,
Speaker 4: I've never seen the kind of kind of pressure in
Speaker 4: you know, controversy that surrounded what she was attempting to
Speaker 4: you know, endeavor upon. So that's that's my fear.
Speaker 3: I think we need to use it.
Speaker 6: I'm the kind of guy, you know, we can be
Speaker 6: wolves in sheep's clothing when it comes to two GOP
Speaker 6: pathways and again, whether it be running for all office
Speaker 6: or infiltrating systems, that makes total sense. And I think
Speaker 6: that's good and I think it's healthy when it comes
Speaker 6: to being Libertarian Party oriented at national I think everything's
Speaker 6: fuel if you burn it hot enough. And I think
Speaker 6: the opportunity of the Libertarian National Party that Angela and
Speaker 6: the Caucus has set the table for.
Speaker 8: Getting us in the main limelight.
Speaker 6: That opportunity unity, if it sits and sizzles for a
Speaker 6: little bit, will be a rallying craft or based more
Speaker 6: based I'm talking pre Reno levels or higher of people
Speaker 6: being like we got to continue to build on this.
Speaker 8: That's my goal. That's what I'm doing.
Speaker 6: That's what I'm doing in my state, and it's absolutely
Speaker 6: working and all its health is is I've got dude,
Speaker 6: I've got a phone call with the four term county
Speaker 6: GOP chairman later today about defender guard legislation. I've met
Speaker 6: with three other guys in the state that are true
Speaker 6: conservative pissed off about the so called school choice bill
Speaker 6: that Rhino's passed in the state. And these people are
Speaker 6: coming to me because they viewed what happened. It's parlaying
Speaker 6: what happened at national of having actual influence, and it's
Speaker 6: trickling down into state and local issues because they go
Speaker 6: Libertarians get shit done. Hey, let's work together it. So
Speaker 6: my argument would be if that if that atrophies, that
Speaker 6: LP muscle of principal atrophies as a crow ball or
Speaker 6: to keep people in check, if that goes away and
Speaker 6: we all go into the blob, we might have what
Speaker 6: happens to like what happens to Ron Paul happened, where
Speaker 6: you go into the blob.
Speaker 8: Now you're in the.
Speaker 6: Mechanism of the machine and that's it. I think I
Speaker 6: think we can chew gun the walk. At the same time,
Speaker 6: I think we need the best of the best conservative
Speaker 6: and libertarian within the GOP, within the I don't think
Speaker 6: there's any chance for the Democrats right now.
Speaker 8: You know, And and we need to continue to build
Speaker 8: our own roster. That's the problem.
Speaker 6: Libertarian Party hasn't had a roster of impeccable, impressive people
Speaker 6: for so long. One guy comes along and does a
Speaker 6: thing and everybody goes, holy shit, you know, like we
Speaker 6: need to build our homegrown talent because no one is
Speaker 6: coming to save us.
Speaker 8: It's up to us to do it.
Speaker 3: You know, I could not agree more. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 3: the uh.
Speaker 4: I mean, just goes to show how how uh you know,
Speaker 4: what a dearth of talent we have that I'm just
Speaker 4: some mortgage broker in San Diego, and then I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm one one or two. It's away from being the
Speaker 4: vice presidential nominee a couple of years later without even
Speaker 4: really campaigning.
Speaker 3: It's it's a yeah, we.
Speaker 4: Need, we need more homegrown talent. And I think that
Speaker 4: that if you actually convey to the more I guess,
Speaker 4: the more impressive, uh, you know, speakers amongst us that
Speaker 4: like there is a pathway by which this parlays into
Speaker 4: something that means something. Yes, I think I think that
Speaker 4: matters because it mattered to me, and I wouldn't have
Speaker 4: done it. If I didn't think that it would have
Speaker 4: actually led to something. And I think that's the you know,
Speaker 4: Angela showed kind of the pathway, and now it's up
Speaker 4: to the party if they want to go along with
Speaker 4: continuing on that process. It just at this junction, it
Speaker 4: seems as if there is no coalescing of the party
Speaker 4: behind that pathway, like so many of them want to
Speaker 4: go back to not having any impact at all.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, it feels it feels very early similar to
Speaker 6: the local dog that chases the tire, catches the tire
Speaker 6: and then realizes it's just going to get ran over.
Speaker 3: By the tire.
Speaker 6: It on because like, we have such a monumental time
Speaker 6: and space we live in right now with being libertarian,
Speaker 6: we have to take action and do something with it.
Speaker 8: Don't just ask, don't just pass the plate around and
Speaker 8: go what.
Speaker 3: Do you got to get our funding up? We got
Speaker 3: to get our members up.
Speaker 6: Give actionable items so that people can see the vision
Speaker 6: and give towards the vision of what you're doing. Yeah, productivity,
Speaker 6: not just running on a treadmill. You know, that was
Speaker 6: great with Angela, the anti war rallies, the coalition, building
Speaker 6: building those bridges with other people outside of our network
Speaker 6: that agree with our values and they realize Libertarians actually
Speaker 6: care and are going to get something done. That is
Speaker 6: the bridge you build to new members, because so many
Speaker 6: times the Libertarian Party tries to bleed the same damn
Speaker 6: turnips for money and these people eventually go, no, what
Speaker 6: are you doing with it? Exactly, Macaroni play art for liberty?
Speaker 6: Come on, do something productive?
Speaker 4: Come on, well, I mean think about think about how
Speaker 4: much more compelling this pitches. If you call up a
Speaker 4: donor and you say, hey, yeah, I'm looking for donations
Speaker 4: to LP National for presidential campaign. Yes, we're not going
Speaker 4: to win, but here's the concession that we're asking for.
Speaker 4: We're asking for the abolition of the ATF Like, you know, something,
Speaker 4: something that's like fucking real and actionable and potentially viable.
Speaker 4: I mean that that, to me is much more compelling
Speaker 4: because if you call me up and you say that,
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, I'm like, wait, what you know,
Speaker 4: like like because before I'm just like, uh, not interested,
Speaker 4: you know, right? And I think that's the problem is
Speaker 4: that ninety nine percent of people rightfully say not interested,
Speaker 4: and you have a you have an opportunity to actually
Speaker 4: demonstrate how you can turn their dollars into something that
Speaker 4: helps their lives, and are you going to do that
Speaker 4: or not? And I just I fear that the old guard,
Speaker 4: you know, reclaiming power, is not interested in doing that.
Speaker 4: And I just I wish I could understand why, because
Speaker 4: so obvious.
Speaker 6: Well, those that want to go back to the the
Speaker 6: case ross of the raw away things are those are
Speaker 6: the people that don't do They're just very loud about
Speaker 6: what they don't do, so loud and and what you're
Speaker 6: saying right there, like that kind of bold messaging, we
Speaker 6: want to bolish the ATF. You get immediate buy in
Speaker 6: from actual conservatives on on something like that, and boom,
Speaker 6: you've got a coalition pipeline.
Speaker 8: Now I gotta quit doing this message on video.
Speaker 4: You got to just think about calling calling up donors
Speaker 4: in Texas. You calling up like you just call up Republicans.
Speaker 4: You can pull up a list of Republican donors, call
Speaker 4: up the Republican donors and say, hey, you know how
Speaker 4: the GOP hasn't done a fucking thing to diminish or
Speaker 4: to increase gun rights over the past fucking one hundred
Speaker 4: years or very little. Yeah, this is our this is
Speaker 4: our pathway. No, we're not gonna we're not gonna take
Speaker 4: the White House away from Donald Trump or JAD events.
Speaker 4: But here's here's how we get the atf gone. Like
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, man, that's a fucking that's a message
Speaker 4: that rips right through them.
Speaker 3: It really would, absolutely, dude.
Speaker 6: And what you're talking about is is tangible net liberty
Speaker 6: and in the real world and and anybody anybody that
Speaker 6: uh I was talking about this with my fiance Samantha
Speaker 6: earlier the week, Like anytime people are so harped on
Speaker 6: a presidential ticket or voting someone that has a letter
Speaker 6: next to their name, they're they're giving away their value
Speaker 6: system because that is me casting.
Speaker 8: A vote and voting harder and doing you know.
Speaker 6: That makes me feel good. It makes me feel good
Speaker 6: as a libertarian. I got to vote for a libertarian guy.
Speaker 6: Actual real world liberty is doing what you're saying, rolling
Speaker 6: the sleeves up, getting creative, forcing your view and your
Speaker 6: again your view and your policy into the machine to
Speaker 6: make it the machines issue now and and it takes it.
Speaker 6: It's in my in my view, it's the highest virtue.
Speaker 6: And if there's and well, there's no vision that people perish.
Speaker 6: You can't just throw out slogans and playitudes and expect
Speaker 6: any action. And so we're going to continue doing what
Speaker 6: we're doing as the Mesis Caucus me and as the
Speaker 6: Tennessee state Chair. I'm definitely looking because Tennessee we've got
Speaker 6: proof of concept on how to run the playbook and
Speaker 6: be an effective state party, like we've got Conservatives red
Speaker 6: ass and fighting for constitutionality with Defend the Guard right now,
Speaker 6: our rookie bill sponsor Michelle Renault, will not back down.
Speaker 6: One of the guys tried to co sponsors, tried last
Speaker 6: week to hop off, and we bullied him into okay,
Speaker 6: I'll sign back on.
Speaker 8: That is what we're doing. It's wielding power.
Speaker 6: It's making the phone calls, the emails, showing up, knocking
Speaker 6: on the doors, looking a guy in the face and
Speaker 6: say you tell me, did you you know? Are are
Speaker 6: you for the constitution or federal funding? Where's your oath
Speaker 6: at here? You have those hard conversations and it is thankless,
Speaker 6: long hour work to do.
Speaker 3: Ye.
Speaker 6: Nobody is getting paid to do it. We're all volunteers
Speaker 6: to do it. But it either matters to us or
Speaker 6: it doesn't. For us, it matters and I want to
Speaker 6: you know, well, it.
Speaker 3: Matters the country. It matters more than I think most
Speaker 3: people understand too, because my understanding with defend the Guard
Speaker 3: basically it makes it so that the National Guard can't
Speaker 3: be deployed. Is that without a declaration of war from Congress.
Speaker 3: That is correct? All right?
Speaker 4: So think I mean, just think about how much that
Speaker 4: diminishes the chances of World War three, like, because you're
Speaker 4: probably never going to get Congress to declare any war again.
Speaker 4: So if you can't just use the National Guard, that
Speaker 4: diminishes the troop count they have. And by by its
Speaker 4: very you know, nature, that diminishes the the calculus that
Speaker 4: our state or our State Department, our DoD is making
Speaker 4: when it comes to like what can we do without
Speaker 4: a declaration of war?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 4: And that diminishes what they can possibly do. And I
Speaker 4: think that's a that's a huge positive and and it
Speaker 4: obviously keeps our people home and increases the chances of
Speaker 4: peace and prosperity and like, these are all very meaningful things.
Speaker 4: And I'm I've been thrilled to see, you know, the
Speaker 4: Libertarians be so successful in working with the GOP to
Speaker 4: get that pushed through so well, do it's.
Speaker 3: The best party.
Speaker 6: The best part is Donald Trump is ceties in favor
Speaker 6: of this, RFK Cities in favor is of this. Carlson
Speaker 6: set in favor of the Department of Defense head Pete
Speaker 6: Hagseat Tennessee and has endorsed this on Fox News. So
Speaker 6: it's really fun when one star or two star general
Speaker 6: comes knocking on doors because he's a professional lobbyist dangling
Speaker 6: a care to federal funding, and guys can go, wait,
Speaker 6: does your boss's boss know that you're out here trying
Speaker 6: to undermine something he supports?
Speaker 8: Like you know, and I'm sorry when you do the math.
Speaker 6: We had a state congresswoman email us back, and it's funny.
Speaker 6: She's like, well, it's my understanding. We if we were
Speaker 6: to do this, we might lose four hundred million in
Speaker 6: federal funding. She put a price tag on every Tennessee
Speaker 6: Guards and we have ten thousand, seven hundred National Guardsmen
Speaker 6: in Tennessee. You do the math of that four hundred million.
Speaker 6: She's stating that this is just a shy above thirty
Speaker 6: three grand of federal dollars that's worth each one of
Speaker 6: those guys' lives. That's what you're telling me. I will
Speaker 6: Kathy Newman the shit out of you on this. So
Speaker 6: what you're telling me is and dude, we're seeing at work.
Speaker 6: And this isn't the only bill we're doing. I mean,
Speaker 6: we're abolishing property tax, abolishing grocery tax in Tennessee.
Speaker 8: Those are both looking really good. We're doing a lot
Speaker 8: of things. And it's not sexy work.
Speaker 6: It's not, yeah, but it's it's it's vital work to
Speaker 6: maintain the sovereignty of our state. And I think that
Speaker 6: kind of bullish mentality, that rugged mentality of going in
Speaker 6: there and and making that making them be better on
Speaker 6: what they say matters. This is your your are you
Speaker 6: saying you here against Donald Trump's entire presidency and the
Speaker 6: d O D head That's what you're saying, right because
Speaker 6: you know what, that's what you're saying. And I got
Speaker 6: read as conservatives that are ready to primary you if
Speaker 6: you vote right on this, they might look the other way,
Speaker 6: you know exactly conversational.
Speaker 3: Power, No, it is.
Speaker 4: And but I think this is this is why you
Speaker 4: know Ron Paul's legacy matters so much, is that because
Speaker 4: of his success Obviously he grew the libertarian movement, but
Speaker 4: then as a consequence, Donald Trump kind of rode that
Speaker 4: wave a bit and grew it obviously, but he still
Speaker 4: he perpetuated some of some of the most key messaging
Speaker 4: that came from doctor Paul and popularized it. Now he's
Speaker 4: implementing some of it. And we're even talking about Ron
Speaker 4: Paul possibly outing the FED, you know, finally, yeah, no kidding,
Speaker 4: what a life achievement. And you know, Cherry on the
Speaker 4: top of the Sunday if that happens. But my point
Speaker 4: is is that I think because because the libertarian movement,
Speaker 4: you know, he did that through the GOP, but then
Speaker 4: you know, Angela and us did our thing over this
Speaker 4: past election cycle. We have really infused so many libertarian
Speaker 4: ideas into the federal you know, Trump round two campaign
Speaker 4: that we have immense leverage now when it comes like
Speaker 4: like all the stuff that we've talked about forever is
Speaker 4: no longer outside of the overten window. Like it's it's
Speaker 4: it's definitely in it. It's still maybe on the periphery
Speaker 4: of the window, but it's fucking it's in it. And
Speaker 4: I think we got a real shot man, And I
Speaker 4: just I just hope that people don't lay off the gas.
Speaker 4: Like I know, there's this tendency once you've come out
Speaker 4: of like a really tyrannical period to just be like, well,
Speaker 4: things are ten percent better than they were, so let's
Speaker 4: let's relax. It's like no, no, no, no, we're we're one
Speaker 4: hundred percent away from where we're supposed to be. We've
Speaker 4: only taken ten percent of it back, We've got it
Speaker 4: ninety percent more to go. Let's fucking let's hammer this thing.
Speaker 4: And I just hope that that energy exists. I know
Speaker 4: it's hard to get people motivated after what we just
Speaker 4: went through, but we need to be motivated because like
Speaker 4: now we actually have a chance at getting real wins.
Speaker 8: A hundred percent dude, and and it has to it
Speaker 8: has to go that way. It is.
Speaker 6: There's there's no halftime in this game exactly, you know.
Speaker 6: And I understand people burn out and you've got to
Speaker 6: stay rested. That's great, but that's why God made coffee
Speaker 6: and uppers. I guess like, let's get let's get get
Speaker 6: the clock running. We're only you know, halfway through this
Speaker 6: trilogy here, and it takes It's classic Croft guardian ism.
Speaker 6: You aim for the sun, you know, you want the sun,
Speaker 6: and you take every star along the way the goalposts
Speaker 6: are moving, We're refining, We're refining, you know, we're we're
Speaker 6: we're getting our issues further and further and further down
Speaker 6: the track holding people accountable. So we need to continue
Speaker 6: with being impressive, being bold, being out front with our
Speaker 6: our our speakers, our candidates. Yes, but our talent pool
Speaker 6: to continue to espouse those values. And if you build it,
Speaker 6: they will come. And we're starting to see it, dude.
Speaker 6: You know, we we're seeing the crossover with with some
Speaker 6: of the actual constitutional types that have you know, we're
Speaker 6: seeing this and people's eyes are opening and they're going,
Speaker 6: you guys been right the whole time, right, And we
Speaker 6: also it's so important for libertarians to not get butt hurt.
Speaker 6: If our name is not explicitly attached to something, it
Speaker 6: is a win. And for when's sake?
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, I'm not I'm not in this for you know, Yes,
Speaker 4: nain a Meerganian is nice because then it allows me
Speaker 4: to get on bigger platforms, in which case I can
Speaker 4: spread my message further. But in terms of like the
Speaker 4: victory lap of whether or not I get any credit
Speaker 4: for the Ross Albert Free, I could care less, dude, Like,
Speaker 4: who gives a fuck. I just think it's so sad
Speaker 4: that people get caught up in that. It's like, do
Speaker 4: you want to free human beings like this?
Speaker 3: Like is that not enough? Is that enough reward for
Speaker 3: you or not? Dude?
Speaker 8: Like, well, actually it needs to be this mechanism.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like no, that's not how I at all
Speaker 4: I mean. And this, this is exactly this is what
Speaker 4: drove me crazy about Chase's response to you know, Trump
Speaker 4: freeing Ross was like, well he could have done in
Speaker 4: his first term. It's like, ah, man, is that that's
Speaker 4: the message you send within twenty four hours of him
Speaker 4: actually following through on a promise to us, Like he
Speaker 4: made the promise to us, that's what you got to say.
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, look, we all know, yes he should
Speaker 4: have freed him in this first term, but that's just
Speaker 4: not the point right now. That is not the point
Speaker 4: that you make in that moment, and that's not how
Speaker 4: you play power games at all. And it's just it
Speaker 4: really it emphasized to me that like, some of these
Speaker 4: people are perennial losers. And it's not it's not like
Speaker 4: an accident. It's like they don't understand how to fucking
Speaker 4: win friends and influence people at all.
Speaker 3: Like they just.
Speaker 4: Don't they don't see it, And I can't help you
Speaker 4: if you still don't get it after you know, watching
Speaker 4: how you do it, Like that's how you do it.
Speaker 4: Angela showed you how, and you fought her every step
Speaker 4: of the way. She was still victorious, and you still
Speaker 4: hated her, and you still pitched and moaned, and it's
Speaker 4: just like, I just have no I have very I
Speaker 4: have I have no I'll just be honest, I have
Speaker 4: no fucking patience for these people anymore as you can
Speaker 4: double I talk about it. Very frustrating. Anyways, I'll get
Speaker 4: you out of here on this, Ben, What do you
Speaker 4: think about the deportation regime that's happening right now, because
Speaker 4: I know this is an area of major contentiousness amongst
Speaker 4: our camp. I think that as of now, what I've
Speaker 4: seen is that it's been primarily focused on, if not entirely,
Speaker 4: focused on violent illegal immigrants, like people that actually have records.
Speaker 4: I don't even from you know, the open borders perspective.
Speaker 4: I don't know how you could argue in defense of that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, is it okay?
Speaker 3: So far? Dude?
Speaker 6: It's it's so it's funny, like my my great grandparents
Speaker 6: on my mother's side were illegals right from Mexico. So
Speaker 6: I love when people look at me and they're like,
Speaker 6: oh this guy who I'm.
Speaker 8: Like, no, no, no, no, no. According to you, I get,
Speaker 8: I get to say here, yeah, I mean, it's.
Speaker 3: My boiler relaxed. Yeah, dude, And like.
Speaker 6: You have to get you have to start somewhere. And again,
Speaker 6: this is comparing to what I understand. I don't live
Speaker 6: in theory arguments or whatnot. I'm I'm caveat, I'm hoppy
Speaker 6: in I'm private borders obviously, but this is the reality
Speaker 6: of the situation that we're in. You have violent overtakings
Speaker 6: of communities, violent overtakings.
Speaker 3: It's got to go, yep.
Speaker 6: And and I don't care if it's I mean that,
Speaker 6: I don't if it's violence going on.
Speaker 8: I don't care if legal or not. True like violence
Speaker 8: and violence is violence.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And if you if if you turn a blind eye
Speaker 4: to that as a libertarian, like no one should take
Speaker 4: you seriously.
Speaker 3: Exactly. It's first principles, dude, Yeah, exactly. So.
Speaker 6: And I just in regards to the immigration stuff, like
Speaker 6: it's clearly I mean, you had you had lurch, go
Speaker 6: on Joe Rogan and stay the quiet part out loud.
Speaker 6: It's the Democratic game plan of changing voter demographic blocks
Speaker 6: and free districting to win.
Speaker 8: They don't care about these people.
Speaker 3: Nope, not at all.
Speaker 6: And at the same time, we have to fix that
Speaker 6: that we need to fix the reason that a lot
Speaker 6: of this people displacement happens south of our border and overseas.
Speaker 8: American foreign policy has created the problem.
Speaker 4: People are going to find out that USA defunding Freeze
Speaker 4: helps with that a lot. And I think I don't
Speaker 4: know that the Trump administration knows that, all right, the
Speaker 4: admin probably does, I don't think Trump knows that. I
Speaker 4: don't think that right, he actually understands how USA D
Speaker 4: plays into toppling governments, which displaces people and then forces
Speaker 4: them to to migrate as basically refugees from uh totally
Speaker 4: collapse states. But that's a reality, and I agree with you,
Speaker 4: So I guess I just hope, I just hope that,
Speaker 4: I just hope that we can have reasonable messaging on
Speaker 4: that issue, because I think there is as as you know,
Speaker 4: there's a major divide within the party as to what
Speaker 4: are what our principles are when it comes to borders
Speaker 4: and immigration and things like that, and you and I align.
Speaker 4: I'm hoppy in private borders too, but like that's not
Speaker 4: the world we live in. So you know, now I'm
Speaker 4: dealing in reality. But I think that if you, if
Speaker 4: you basically fight this, because like there was the reason
Speaker 4: I'm asking or I'm talking about this is that a
Speaker 4: few hours ago there was report that a immigration vehicle
Speaker 4: for deportations was lit on fire. I think was in Seattle.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm forgetting, which what a surprise. You're right, but
Speaker 4: like there's gonna be I here's my fear. My fear
Speaker 4: is that some of the open borders libertarians are going
Speaker 4: to defend that because it's basically fighting tyranny.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: And I hope I'm wrong, but I would not be
Speaker 4: surprised if I see it. I just hope it doesn't
Speaker 4: come from any state accounts. I just, oh, man, it
Speaker 4: won't come from ours. I can tell you that, no,
Speaker 4: of course, But I'm just I'm just saying. I think
Speaker 4: I think that, like this is an issue that actually
Speaker 4: has broad appeal, and it's actually bipartisan. Democrats even are
Speaker 4: are giving you know, they're basically shutting the fuck up
Speaker 4: because they're like, yeah, this has gotten out of hand.
Speaker 6: Actual leftists like Jimmy Door. Yeah, I love Jimmy. He's
Speaker 6: a faith guy that once he digs it, he's a
Speaker 6: gold bug. Now when he digs into an issue, he
Speaker 6: does his own research, as his joke says, and he
Speaker 6: comes around to the truth on it. I'm I'm loving
Speaker 6: seeing his progress. It's it's a it's an actual it's
Speaker 6: an sure problem. Like and I love everyone that espouse.
Speaker 6: I love them, you know, the espousing of oh, just
Speaker 6: let everybody, and you never see them actually do that
Speaker 6: in their own real life.
Speaker 8: No, but they want everyone else.
Speaker 4: To do it, and it's they're not they're not taking
Speaker 4: the doors off their apartments.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: Well, you know this is this actually goes back a
Speaker 4: good example of like not caring about getting credit for things.
Speaker 4: I've done multiple shows with Jimmy Dore. I've you know,
Speaker 4: I talked to him about the Federal Reserve and OKA
Speaker 4: in central banking, and it's like, like I could I
Speaker 4: could try and extrapolate his progress in this arena and
Speaker 4: being gold bugging and things like that into like, oh
Speaker 4: I planted those scenes. Who knows who he talks to
Speaker 4: so many people it could be like, but maybe I
Speaker 4: gave you know, a one percent little push in the
Speaker 4: right direction on that.
Speaker 3: Like that.
Speaker 4: That's the thing that I love about, you know, doing
Speaker 4: what I do is, you know, getting to just have
Speaker 4: relatively friendly conversations with people that I agree on seventy
Speaker 4: percent of things but are adamantly opposed on thirty percent things,
Speaker 4: and just seeing their evolution over time. I mean, Tucker
Speaker 4: Carlson's a great example of this. Tucker Carlson was not
Speaker 4: good a lot, you know, fifteen years ago he was
Speaker 4: fucking bad. Uh and now he's one of the best
Speaker 4: around our best that you know at the highest levels.
Speaker 4: Rogan's improved too, you know, he's he's gone from pretty
Speaker 4: hard left to more more libertarian leaning in my opinion.
Speaker 4: So I think that, like people, people downplay how much
Speaker 4: of an impact you know, particularly Dave Smith has had.
Speaker 4: Certainly doctor Paul everybody already gives him his due, but
Speaker 4: you know Dave's impact you have You have THEO Vaughan
Speaker 4: talking about Ron Paul auditing the FED and shit like that.
Speaker 4: It's like, man, we're we're making strides that I think
Speaker 4: people are not really paying attention to.
Speaker 3: Dude. It's it's chewing gum and walking.
Speaker 6: It's making those huge cultural strides like you and Dave
Speaker 6: and that, you know, and at the same time doing
Speaker 6: the institutional things and the gritty work, and both of
Speaker 6: those things working in tanem in the same.
Speaker 3: Spirit, yeh, the spirit of Ron Paul.
Speaker 6: And he's just before I forget Jimmy is probably it's
Speaker 6: looking like Jimmy might be popping in for twenty minutes
Speaker 6: on that virtual panel that you're doing with us at
Speaker 6: convention about the death of corporate news. So oh, maybe
Speaker 6: I'll get a chance to say what's up there too,
Speaker 6: So we'll we'll see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what what date is that? Do you remember?
Speaker 6: That is the March March first panel that we're doing
Speaker 6: with the Naydan Charlie from Good Morning Liberty about the
Speaker 6: death of corporate media. I'll have Samantha get in contact
Speaker 6: with you because it's going to be your huge voice
Speaker 6: out there. Jimmy's a huge voice out there. Corporate media
Speaker 6: is officially dead. They did their last full court press
Speaker 6: at this last election and people just aren't here for it,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 3: But the March, the March first thing, is that going
Speaker 3: to be open to the public. Can I post that it? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Absolutely, Yeah, it's our it's our it's our state convention.
Speaker 6: It's when I'm up for reelection. Our entire board is
Speaker 6: for the state Party. We've got that panel. We've got
Speaker 6: doctor Peter McCullough, one of the greatest anti COVID restim doctors.
Speaker 6: He's speaking at our gallup. We've got Dan mcnight from
Speaker 6: Bring our Troops Home. He's doing an actual workshop on
Speaker 6: how to proper push legislation. I've got doctor Denise Sibley,
Speaker 6: which is like the Tennessee version of doctor McCullough for ivermectin.
Speaker 6: She got shamed all that, she got it back in.
Speaker 6: And then of course I got Nate Dress. So I've
Speaker 6: got Michelle Renaud, who is our rep for Defend the
Speaker 6: Guard in the state, one of our elected.
Speaker 8: He's a Constable.
Speaker 6: Will Bolton's gonna be speaking, and then of course both
Speaker 6: of our be great mutual friend, the great illustrious Reverend
Speaker 6: Dave Benner will be talking as well, because we all Loveday.
Speaker 3: So I don't know who's a reverend.
Speaker 8: Well reverend in liberty, Ok, Yeah, shout.
Speaker 3: Out to Dave.
Speaker 4: All right, Yeah, March first, ladies and gentlemen, make sure
Speaker 4: you check that out. I say you have my endorsement
Speaker 4: for your reelectionist chair in Tennessee. I hope that anybody
Speaker 4: that's listening, that's in Tennessee right now get involved, even
Speaker 4: if you vote GOP, even maybe more so if you
Speaker 4: vote GOP historically, I would love to see you have
Speaker 4: a conversation with Josiah and the LP Tennessee folks and
Speaker 4: see if if there's something that you would be interested in,
Speaker 4: you know, working with them on I think they're doing
Speaker 4: great work and I think that that they, you know,
Speaker 4: they model kind of my more more in alignment with
Speaker 4: my vision as to how we actually like implement and
Speaker 4: get wins, real wins, real world wins. And I just
Speaker 4: wish you continued success.
Speaker 3: Man. Where can people follow you? People can follow me Twitter.
Speaker 6: It is hop barred H O, P B A R
Speaker 6: D the Libertarian Party of Tennessee on Twitter. If you're
Speaker 6: interested in getting involved with us, they can go to
Speaker 6: LPTN dot org slash sign up or LPTN dot org
Speaker 6: slash Convention Committee for all our convention information. Email me
Speaker 6: at chair at LPTN dot org. That's about it.
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