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<v Speaker 1>Trump, do not sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>He don't play by no rules.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to say, will your president be awake at three

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock in the morning to answer the phone if it rings?

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<v Speaker 1>Shit chair, our president is up. Our president is a vampire.

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<v Speaker 1>That motherfucker said twenty three tweets said twelve thirty What

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<v Speaker 1>the fuck is you gonna vine?

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<v Speaker 2>That motherfuckers own it?

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<v Speaker 3>Trump?

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<v Speaker 2>No Gill Fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>That motherfucker has owned it, whatever the fuck it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time he wake up, he just signed another piece

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<v Speaker 1>of paper. Wait till they see this when they wake

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<v Speaker 1>the fuck up, since they want to talk.

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<v Speaker 3>We used to just.

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<v Speaker 1>Being able to watch the news a little bit and

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<v Speaker 1>then walk off.

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<v Speaker 2>Not with Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Niggas is watching the news like it's the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 2>Ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Trumpn't give fuck. Trump don't follow no boy, these rules.

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<v Speaker 1>The president supposed to be at the White House, Our

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<v Speaker 1>president is wherever. Well, fuck he wont to be.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome to Liberty Lockdown. This is Clint Russell. Thank you

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<v Speaker 4>for tuning in once again. Got some rare good news.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just kidding. Actually, we've had lots of good news

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<v Speaker 4>over the past month. Shout out to Trump, Shout out

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<v Speaker 4>to Kat Williams. Kat Williams one of my favorite comics,

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<v Speaker 4>absolutely hysterical talking about how Trump doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump, don't sleep, my fucker get whatever, he won't.

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<v Speaker 4>Love Cat Williams. Anyways, I just thought that was a fun,

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<v Speaker 4>fun way to intro US. I got some good news.

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<v Speaker 4>More good news is that it looks like the war

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<v Speaker 4>in Ukraine may be ending at long. Last three years

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<v Speaker 4>deep into this thing, hundreds of thousands of parish it's

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<v Speaker 4>been hell, to put it mildly, but there is light

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<v Speaker 4>at the end of the tunnel. And that light does

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<v Speaker 4>not have three chairs sitting at it. It has one

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<v Speaker 4>for Vladimir Putin and one for Donald Trump. And Zelensky

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<v Speaker 4>is absolutely panicking. And this was what I predicted for

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<v Speaker 4>a long time now, is that he would eventually be

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<v Speaker 4>left out in the cold because he was doing the

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<v Speaker 4>bidding of the existing US State Department and Trump ain't

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<v Speaker 4>interested in playing you know that that game anymore. And

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<v Speaker 4>it looks like this dude his toast. So let's go

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<v Speaker 4>to Trump and see what he has to say.

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<v Speaker 3>You have any.

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<v Speaker 4>Message for Ukrainians who, after three years of fighting, might

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<v Speaker 4>feel betrayed or disappointed at not having a seat at

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<v Speaker 4>these initial talks in Saudi Arabia.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think I'm really disappointed in what's happened. I've

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<v Speaker 5>been watching this for three years. It's a war that

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<v Speaker 5>would have never happened if I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was president, and I've been watching these these you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know, people being killed at levels that you've rarely seen,

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<v Speaker 5>not even close since the Second World War. And I'm

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<v Speaker 5>very disappointed. I hear that, you know they're upset about

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<v Speaker 5>not having a seat, Well, they've had a seat for

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<v Speaker 5>three years, and a long time before that.

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<v Speaker 2>This could have been settled very easily, just.

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<v Speaker 5>A half a half baked negotiator could have settled this

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<v Speaker 5>years ago. I think without the loss of much land,

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<v Speaker 5>very little land, without the loss of any lives, and

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<v Speaker 5>without the loss of cities that are just laying on

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<v Speaker 5>their side.

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<v Speaker 2>You have those magnificent.

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<v Speaker 5>Golden domes that are shattered, will never be replaced.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't replace him.

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<v Speaker 4>So that part isn't surprising. Trump has been talking like

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<v Speaker 4>this on the campaign trail, all the way back to

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<v Speaker 4>his town halls of a year ago, when he was

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<v Speaker 4>just even pre debate, So this has been his perspective

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<v Speaker 4>for a very long time. Nothing is surprising.

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<v Speaker 3>Here. Here's where it gets interesting.

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<v Speaker 6>We're hearing that Russia wants to force Ukraine to hold

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<v Speaker 6>new elections in order to.

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<v Speaker 2>Sign any kind of a peace deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that something that the US would ever support?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we have let me pause it there. Just think

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<v Speaker 4>about how ridiculous it is that we've been told for

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<v Speaker 4>three straight years that we must defend the Ukraine in

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<v Speaker 4>order to defend democracy. And this journalist asked what they

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<v Speaker 4>straight face, in all seriousness, why are we demanding that

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<v Speaker 4>Ukraine hold elections? Isn't that kind of a prerequisite for

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<v Speaker 4>a democratic system? Last I checked, don't you have to

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<v Speaker 4>have elections in order to be a democracy, otherwise you're

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<v Speaker 4>in a monarchy or some sort of authoritarian deal. But no,

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<v Speaker 4>they've been in martial law. So I guess democracy isn't

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<v Speaker 4>really what we're defending there now, is it.

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<v Speaker 5>We haven't had elections in Ukraine. Well, we have martial law,

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<v Speaker 5>essentially marshal law in Ukraine. Where the leader in Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I hate to say it, but he's down

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<v Speaker 5>at four percent approval writing and where a country has

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<v Speaker 5>been blown to smither. Rings got Most of the cities

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<v Speaker 5>are laying on their sides.

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<v Speaker 2>The buildings are collapsed.

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<v Speaker 5>It looks like a massive demolition site the whole. I

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<v Speaker 5>mean so many of the cities. I mean, they haven't

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<v Speaker 5>done it in Kiev because I guess they don't want

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<v Speaker 5>to shoot too many rockets in there. They've done it

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<v Speaker 5>twenty percent, but they haven't done it one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 5>If they wanted to do it one hundred percent, it

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<v Speaker 5>would probably happen very quickly. But you have cities that

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<v Speaker 5>are absolutely decimated. And yeah, I would say that, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>when they want a seat at the table, you could

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<v Speaker 5>say that people have to wouldn't the people of Ukraine

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<v Speaker 5>have to say, like, you know, it's been a long

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<v Speaker 5>time since we've had an election.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not a Russia thing.

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<v Speaker 5>That's something coming from me and coming from many other

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<v Speaker 4>Who That was a bit of too much truth, huh,

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<v Speaker 4>talking about the fact that there hasn't been elections, that

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<v Speaker 4>there's martial law, that there's been just immense destruction, that

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<v Speaker 4>there's been no appetite for negotiations or peace from the

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<v Speaker 4>Ukrainian side, the side that has been losing this war,

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<v Speaker 4>and the reason that there's been no appetite for negotiations

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<v Speaker 4>of peace is because the will of the people be damned.

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<v Speaker 4>That was not who was calling the shots here. In

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<v Speaker 4>my opinion, it was clearly the US State Department that

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<v Speaker 4>was actually instructing Vladimir Zelensky on what to do and

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<v Speaker 4>when to do it and how to do it. And

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<v Speaker 4>there's a new sheriff in town, so that ain't helping him.

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<v Speaker 4>With his four percent approval rating, now, I haven't double

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<v Speaker 4>checked that to see if that's true. That seems impossibly low,

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<v Speaker 4>especially during wartime, but I'm sure it's not high. So

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<v Speaker 4>let's just assume that Trump is being his normal hyperbolic

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<v Speaker 4>self and it's not exactly four percent, but it is

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<v Speaker 4>in the toilet. Nonetheless, Yeah, this guy's probably lost the

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<v Speaker 4>support of his people and it's time, man. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I will disagree with one aspect of this. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I do understand Trump's reasoning, but I think if you

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<v Speaker 4>expect the Ukrainian people and the soldiers there who have

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<v Speaker 4>been fighting tooth and nail for three years, those that

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<v Speaker 4>are lucky enough to still be alive to accept whatever

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<v Speaker 4>negotiation or whatever peace deal you come up with, well,

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<v Speaker 4>if they feel as if they haven't had say in that,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not so sure that you won't see an uptick

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<v Speaker 4>in fighting post peace negotiation, because you don't have the

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<v Speaker 4>sign off from the President of Ukraine. So I think

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<v Speaker 4>that could be a mistake. However, to give Trump his due,

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's probably true that Zelensky is refusing and

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<v Speaker 4>that he is totally unwilling to accept any loss of land,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think that that's ultimately going.

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<v Speaker 3>To be required.

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<v Speaker 4>It's gonna be requisite if you expect there to ever

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<v Speaker 4>be peace, because the larger power has dictated the terms

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<v Speaker 4>of this settlement, as is often the case in war,

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<v Speaker 4>if not always the case in war, that the larger

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<v Speaker 4>power gets to have a better deal than the weaker power.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just how it goes.

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<v Speaker 4>It's how it's been for America in its empire stages.

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<v Speaker 4>We have negotiated terrible peace settlements all the way back

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<v Speaker 4>to Germany and World War One. But Iraq, Afghanistan, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>we do we implement and use our power and our will,

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<v Speaker 4>our strangle hold over these nations in a pretty vicious fashion.

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<v Speaker 4>So to expect that Russia is not going to do

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<v Speaker 4>the same, I think is just naive. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 4>it's right, I'm just saying it's naive to think that

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<v Speaker 4>they wouldn't do it too. So my expectation and my

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<v Speaker 4>belief has been the same for years now, and I

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<v Speaker 4>told Destiny about two almost two years ago. I think

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<v Speaker 4>that they are not going to accept anything less than

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<v Speaker 4>Crimea and a land bridge to Crimea. That has been

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<v Speaker 4>the land that they've been holding. I think it's the

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<v Speaker 4>land that they expect to keep. Trump said, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>they haven't taken Kiev.

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<v Speaker 3>He goes, I don't know why. Maybe they just don't want.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't think they want to because they don't

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<v Speaker 4>want to actually be on the border of Poland. They

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<v Speaker 4>don't want to be on the border of NATO. In

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<v Speaker 4>my opinion, that is one of the true aspects of

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<v Speaker 4>Putin's perspective on this, is that yes, the expansion of

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<v Speaker 4>NATO into Ukraine was a red line and that they

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<v Speaker 4>were not going.

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<v Speaker 3>To accept that.

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<v Speaker 4>So all of this still aligns with everything that I've

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<v Speaker 4>read and believed about this entire war since its inception,

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<v Speaker 4>and it just seems like this is the inevitable conclusion.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that Trump is absolutely right that they

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<v Speaker 4>didn't have to lose all of these people in all

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<v Speaker 4>of this land that you could have negotiated very early on,

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<v Speaker 4>if not even prior to the invasion, but certainly a

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<v Speaker 4>month in when there was a negotiated peace settlement that

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<v Speaker 4>was signed off on, at least tentatively, that was torn

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<v Speaker 4>up thanks to Boris Johnson at the direction of I

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<v Speaker 4>believe it was Jake Sullivan. It may have been blinking,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's just terrible. It's just terrible. All of this

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<v Speaker 4>could have been avoided or at least minimized tremendously, and

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<v Speaker 4>so spending it positively though, thank God, that this might

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<v Speaker 4>actually be ending, that the suffering of the Ukrainian people

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<v Speaker 4>might be coming to an end, that there might actually

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<v Speaker 4>be sovereignty left for the Ukrainians, that there might actually

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<v Speaker 4>be a Ukraine left, given that that was not a

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<v Speaker 4>foregone conclusion, I think that that would be good. That

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<v Speaker 4>would be a good thing. And most importantly from the

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<v Speaker 4>American perspective, which is the one I hold and the

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<v Speaker 4>one I care most about, is that we might not

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<v Speaker 4>have to have a war with Russia.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey hooray, which I.

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<v Speaker 4>Might add was the primary reason voted for Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 4>is because that's what he campaigned on, and it appears

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<v Speaker 4>that he is interested in delivering on that promise. Thank God.

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<v Speaker 4>I do not want to see my little brothers sent

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<v Speaker 4>off to war, especially a war that is you know,

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<v Speaker 4>has the potential to be apocalyptic.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it just had to be avoided.

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<v Speaker 4>And everyone in the Biden administration was one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 4>committed to this war, and everyone in all of the

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<v Speaker 4>West seems to be committed to this war. It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>I did want to make this point because you know,

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<v Speaker 4>after J. D. Vance went to Germany, to Munich a

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<v Speaker 4>couple days ago, and he gave that speech that kind

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<v Speaker 4>of chastised them. One aspect of the speech that did

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<v Speaker 4>absolutely bloodthirsty they I'll give them, you know there, I'll

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<v Speaker 4>signs that that's actually in the works, that it's imminent,

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<v Speaker 4>that that's happening, that that's the plan. I don't believe it.

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<v Speaker 4>even sure that they want to. So I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>that's going to happen. But the leadership of Europe, those

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<v Speaker 4>they seem one hundred percent convinced that that's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, if you listen to Kure Starmer's speech today,

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<v Speaker 7>I want to thank President Macron for convening us this evening.

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<v Speaker 7>At stake is not just the future of Ukraine. It

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<v Speaker 7>is an existential question for Europe as a whole, and

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<v Speaker 7>they're more vital for Britain's national interest. This is a

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<v Speaker 7>once in a generation moment the collective security of our continent.

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<v Speaker 7>Only a lasting piece in Ukraine that safeguards its sovereignty

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<v Speaker 7>will deter Putin from further aggression in the future. In

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<v Speaker 7>this moment, we have to recognize the new era that

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<v Speaker 7>our security, for our continent. And I've been clear today

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<v Speaker 7>Britain will take a leading responsibility as we always have

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<v Speaker 7>because Ukraine must have a secure future, Europe must have

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<v Speaker 7>a secure future, Britain must have a secure future and

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<v Speaker 7>democratic values must prevail.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's the Prime Minister of the UK Cure Starmer,

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<v Speaker 4>saying we must defend them to the last man. He

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<v Speaker 4>with the entire venear that democracy is legitimate and just

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<v Speaker 4>like yeah, they're all warlords. As best I can tell,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't support any of them. They don't believe in

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<v Speaker 4>believe in self defense. Why the fuck are these people

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<v Speaker 4>our allies? I don't understand it. I mean, other than

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<v Speaker 4>my lineage, which I think I have some English heritage.

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<v Speaker 4>just European mutt like most white Americans, you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>feel bad for the people that live there, but I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like they're worse than our own, basically how I

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<v Speaker 4>feel about Trudeau in Canada or the poor Australians and

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<v Speaker 4>of NATO any longer. I don't want to be their defender.

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<v Speaker 4>I certainly don't want to be their benefactor or their

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<v Speaker 4>funding source for their unlimited, endless wars because they are

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<v Speaker 4>delusional and believe that Russia's about to conquer them. If

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<v Speaker 4>they believe that, I don't even know. Maybe they're just

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<v Speaker 4>owned by the military industrial complex or intell agencies or

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<v Speaker 4>who knows, uh, Satan himself. I don't know, don't care.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to fund it. I don't want to have.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, my countrymen fight and die for these people.

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<v Speaker 4>If they want that war, that's their choice to make.

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<v Speaker 4>That's not mine, and it's not going to be my

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<v Speaker 4>money and my countrymen fighting it for them. Strap up here.

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<v Speaker 4>If you want to fight, you get on the front lines.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not fucking doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>Not interested.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks pass so That's how I feel about it. Feel

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<v Speaker 4>free to disagree, if you want to enlist, go at it.

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<v Speaker 4>I am out one d And the good news is

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<v Speaker 4>that it appears the United States, thanks to Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 4>is also out. We are done with Vladimir Zelenski. We

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<v Speaker 4>are done with this constant escalation escalation against Russia, and

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<v Speaker 4>we are done with endless wars. We're done, thank God.

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<v Speaker 4>Now let's hope I'm right. Let's hope that Trump's stance

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<v Speaker 4>is a fixed one and that this will actually be

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<v Speaker 4>resolved here shortly. And moreover, let's hope for the people

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<v Speaker 4>of Ukraine and Russia and Europe that this war ends

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<v Speaker 4>so that we can get back to just being nice,

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<v Speaker 4>normal people again. What a novel concept, all right. Today's

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<v Speaker 4>interview is with a buddy of mine. He is Josiah Baker.

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<v Speaker 4>He's the chair of the Libertarian Party of Tennessee. He's

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<v Speaker 4>running for reelection, so I decided to have him on

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<v Speaker 4>give him a little boost.

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<v Speaker 3>See if that helps. I'm just kidding. I just wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to chat with him for a bit.

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<v Speaker 4>This does get a little bit inside baseball. We talk

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit about the inside of the party itself

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<v Speaker 4>and how that's all functioning. I don't know if you'll

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<v Speaker 4>find that part interesting, but I think you will find

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<v Speaker 4>the parts interesting in terms of like tactical discussions. How

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<v Speaker 4>is it that the Libertarian Party can be utilized to

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<v Speaker 4>make the Republican Party more viable? How it can actually

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<v Speaker 4>make it better? Because as of now it is a duopoly.

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<v Speaker 4>Can we make half of the duopoly at least not

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<v Speaker 4>existentially terrible. Well, it appears that we may have, and

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<v Speaker 4>it appears that if we continue on that path and

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<v Speaker 3>Able to improve it further. We'll see.

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<v Speaker 4>It's an interesting It's an interesting combo. Hope you guys

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<v Speaker 4>enjoy it. I'll be back to you in a couple

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<v Speaker 6>And it takes a strong libertarian party to get a

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you and I agree on that clearly, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think that it's worked. I think that the first time

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<v Speaker 4>seemed as if the movement and our influencers were strong

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<v Speaker 4>in that arena, and that was kind of enough to

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<v Speaker 4>real concessions from the Republicans.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'll start there.

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<v Speaker 4>What Stephen Nakaila is the interim chair after Angela mccartil's

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<v Speaker 4>stepped down. Just curious what your thoughts are about him.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not super familiar, So what do you think.

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<v Speaker 8>Stephen is a He's a nice guy.

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<v Speaker 6>Had a meeting with him not long ago to kind

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<v Speaker 6>he was in the running for it till the bonkers

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<v Speaker 6>LNC clown show meeting that he kind of got pushed

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<v Speaker 6>through there and the whole I'm not going to bore

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<v Speaker 6>people about internal LP politics because I'll fall asleep mid sentence.

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<v Speaker 6>But in essence, he got thrown in at the last

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<v Speaker 6>a while. Ran against angela nice guy. I hope that

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<v Speaker 6>he has the fortitude of the intestinmal variety to continue

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<v Speaker 6>the work. He said that he supports the PDR strategy

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<v Speaker 6>that Michael Heiss has created, which is an actual tangible

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<v Speaker 6>metric to winning focusing on nullification elections at the state

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<v Speaker 6>local levels. I support that PDR stand for Project Decentralized Revolution.

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<v Speaker 6>There's a great essay that Heyst wrote up about it.

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<v Speaker 6>He's also read it. Read the essay.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm well aware this is for my audience's sake. Yeah

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<v Speaker 4>you can't. You're talking like a military guy using acronyms

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<v Speaker 4>that you know. Normanis have no idea what you mean.

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<v Speaker 6>Total So Project a Centralized Revolution essentially says the Libertarian

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<v Speaker 6>Party needs to be honest with itself, and for over

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<v Speaker 6>fifty years it's been largely irrelevant. It's viewed by the

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<v Speaker 6>public as people that show up every four years, screw

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<v Speaker 6>up an election, crawl back in their hole like puks

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<v Speaker 6>of Ponty Phil. But with politics and the reason Libertarians

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<v Speaker 6>need to be honest with themselves. We had up until

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<v Speaker 6>this last election, no tangible wins at all unless you

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<v Speaker 6>count you know, internet verbal chess as wins, dunking on people,

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<v Speaker 6>nothing in the real world, nothing in meat space, and hey.

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<v Speaker 4>Come on, come on, don't downplay it. We want a

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yes, yes, a lot of a lot of feudal

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<v Speaker 6>but Mike's vision with PDR Project to Centralized Revolution was

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<v Speaker 8>Have a honed in focus, and it was state level.

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<v Speaker 6>We need to focus on local elections with actual nullification

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<v Speaker 6>Because we all learned during COVID it matters who your

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<v Speaker 6>And that's why we focus on those seats. It's actual

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<v Speaker 4>And most importantly, it's they're winnable seats as opposed to

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<v Speaker 3>Well well worth doing.

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<v Speaker 4>As we saw with the Chase Oliver campaign, that is

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<v Speaker 4>that that's, you know, that may be an unpopular opinion,

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<v Speaker 4>think that the you know, projecting centralized revolution is the

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<v Speaker 4>or coverage, I'm certainly pleasantly surprised. I think he has

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<v Speaker 4>exceeded expectations. I think he's done things that I really

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<v Speaker 4>didn't expect, things he didn't even promise. The USAID funding

425
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<v Speaker 4>freeze is an absolute, i mean windfall for anybody that

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<v Speaker 4>understands how the State Department really functions and how our

427
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<v Speaker 4>foreign policy is implemented. So I'm still I'm still at

428
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<v Speaker 4>a loss as to how so many libertarians seem to

429
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<v Speaker 4>give him no credit, no grace, whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 3>Where do you fall?

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<v Speaker 6>I think the greatest analogy him ever is Tennessee's very

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<v Speaker 6>on Andrew Jackson who with Yeah, like any other man

433
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<v Speaker 6>as president, you have your faults, but he did roll

434
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<v Speaker 6>back the state and the banking system with I'm i'm.

435
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<v Speaker 6>I was optimistic, hopeful, maybe even to a naive point

436
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<v Speaker 6>that he made these these concessions in these sales pitches,

437
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<v Speaker 6>and ross was free massive, biggest win in the history

438
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<v Speaker 6>of the party, actually affecting something nationally. And then he's

439
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<v Speaker 6>the talk of Department of Education being abolished.

440
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<v Speaker 8>Is is in the zeitgeist right now.

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<v Speaker 6>And yeah, the USA, which is the CIA arm of

442
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<v Speaker 6>regime change, along with everything else that our money has

443
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<v Speaker 6>been wasted on, that being burnt to the ground. It's

444
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<v Speaker 6>almost as if this man had zero fs to give anymore.

445
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<v Speaker 6>After they tried to tried to impeach him, tried to

446
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<v Speaker 6>kill him twice, you know, tried everything against him, and

447
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<v Speaker 6>now he's coming in not needing a reelection.

448
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<v Speaker 8>He's like, screw it, meant I'm gonna do it.

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<v Speaker 6>I can firmly say, for the most part, he's the

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<v Speaker 6>most libertarian president of my lifetime. YEP, with what he's done,

451
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<v Speaker 6>and I can say that with full confidence. At the

452
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<v Speaker 6>same time, I'm not crazy about the UH, the Israel

453
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<v Speaker 6>continued funding of genocide, the gozit plan. But again, he

454
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<v Speaker 6>talks a lot like a real estate mogul. Let me,

455
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<v Speaker 6>let me look at this, and this is what I'm

456
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<v Speaker 6>going to short sell you at. And I don't know

457
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<v Speaker 6>if it's a tactic.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 8>It's it's a wait and see.

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<v Speaker 6>But I'm kind of in a wait, kind of in

461
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<v Speaker 6>a wait and see mode, you know, if that makes sense.

462
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<v Speaker 6>At this point, I mean, he's gone after US eight,

463
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<v Speaker 6>He's gone after all these departments. He's going after all

464
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<v Speaker 6>these things, which is the best that we've seen in ever.

465
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<v Speaker 6>It's it's kind of crazy when you roll out of

466
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<v Speaker 6>bed and look at Twitter X and go, oh my god, really,

467
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<v Speaker 6>Elon's having a heyday with it. I hope to continue

468
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<v Speaker 6>to see these policies go, but I mean it's been

469
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<v Speaker 6>pretty wild, and there are people that are like, well,

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<v Speaker 6>it's got to go through the proper channel executive orders.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't care he's using executive orders to fight unconstitutionality.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>It's it's he's reducing the government fraction by whatever means necessary,

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<v Speaker 6>and I.

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<v Speaker 8>Think that's a win and we should celebrate that win.

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<v Speaker 6>We can be critical when he's not good, just like

477
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<v Speaker 6>you and Scott and other voices are.

478
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<v Speaker 3>Dave, and that's good.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, we've got a bull in a china shop

480
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<v Speaker 6>and he's got blood in his eyes, so that's a

481
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<v Speaker 6>good thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, let him, let him run wild as long as

483
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<v Speaker 4>he's running in the right direction. Is kind of how

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<v Speaker 4>I feel about it. And yeah, I mean I think

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<v Speaker 4>that particularly Dose, you know, didn't it didn't come across

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<v Speaker 4>in its early manifestation or like its pitch as having

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<v Speaker 4>any teeth. And most of us, particularly the you know,

488
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<v Speaker 4>given that most of us are very jaded, we expected

489
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<v Speaker 4>very little from it. That it would be kind of

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<v Speaker 4>an advisory board that may highlight some things but probably

491
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<v Speaker 4>won't get much done. That is not what this thing is.

492
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<v Speaker 3>So far. It seems to.

493
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<v Speaker 4>Be very very meaningful actually in a way that is pervasive.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, like they're going and they're going after DoD,

495
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<v Speaker 4>I mean, they're going after the Pentagon. These are they're

496
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<v Speaker 4>doing things that like most i mean the most pessimistic

497
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<v Speaker 4>amongst us, would have never thought possible. Like it's just

498
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<v Speaker 4>it's just unbelievable. Actually, maybe maybe the most optimistic amongst

499
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<v Speaker 4>us would have never thought possible. So I'm I'm at

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<v Speaker 4>this point. Yeah, I'm gonna wait and see mode on

501
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<v Speaker 4>all of the bad things that he's talking about, because

502
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<v Speaker 4>as of now, he's doing good things. He's saying a

503
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<v Speaker 4>couple bad things, but he's not doing the bad things yet.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's where I'm at. I think we also have

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<v Speaker 4>to wait and see when it comes to the tariff

506
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<v Speaker 4>you know, wars and whether or not that just ends

507
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<v Speaker 4>up reducing net tariffs or if it increases tariffs across

508
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<v Speaker 4>the board. As of now, I'm still not certain because

509
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<v Speaker 4>he seems to be getting a lot of concessions from

510
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<v Speaker 4>countries by utilizing that threat, so, you know. And and

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<v Speaker 4>then lastly, I totally agree with you on the the

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<v Speaker 4>you know, executive orders. If you're using executive power to

513
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<v Speaker 4>fight unconstitutional things, great, If you're using executive powers to

514
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<v Speaker 4>do uncon unconstitutional things, well then yeah we're going to

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<v Speaker 4>have a conversation. So yeah, across the board, I just I,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, for my audience's sake, and I think it

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<v Speaker 4>would be interesting just to get your perspective. My opinion

518
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<v Speaker 4>is that Trump, as you said earlier, he's the most

519
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<v Speaker 4>libertarian president in your lifetime. That doesn't make him perfect,

520
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<v Speaker 4>but I think that most libertarians in the country feel

521
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<v Speaker 4>the same way. But then if you actually look at

522
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<v Speaker 4>you know, l NC type of communications on this thing.

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<v Speaker 4>By that I mean Libertarian National it seems as as

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<v Speaker 4>if it's pretty divided. Do you think that the the

525
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<v Speaker 4>broader you know, the delegates, the higher ups within the

526
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<v Speaker 4>Libertarian party are out of touch with the average libertarian voter,

527
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<v Speaker 4>because I certainly feel so.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, man, there is I think a disconnect because a

529
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<v Speaker 6>lot of uh, and I don't just blame it on

530
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<v Speaker 6>the autism joke, but a lot of libertarians involved in

531
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<v Speaker 6>libertarian inc are so zoomed in and live in such

532
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<v Speaker 6>theory in twenty four to seven that they don't understand

533
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<v Speaker 6>praxeology in the real world, and they don't understand it.

534
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<v Speaker 6>There's I hate the old adage it was corny. Either

535
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<v Speaker 6>you're just libertarian you don't know it yet, But a

536
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<v Speaker 6>lot of folks do think in these these ideals. They

537
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<v Speaker 6>just don't. You know, people go and they say, something

538
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<v Speaker 6>smells wrong about this. You know, why is this? Why

539
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<v Speaker 6>is this the case?

540
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<v Speaker 3>Hey? Why is it? Why? You know?

541
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<v Speaker 6>Your average American goes, why is everything so high? It

542
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:54.799
<v Speaker 6>doesn't make sense? They're thinking and they're so close, but

543
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<v Speaker 6>libertarians tend to go into it with the gift of

544
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<v Speaker 6>the well actually mean in a full dissertation that just

545
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<v Speaker 6>turns people away. It's it's you have to be relatable.

546
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<v Speaker 6>And I think, honestly, honestly, I thought Angela did a

547
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<v Speaker 6>heck of the job making Libertarians relatable to people in

548
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<v Speaker 6>the real world that aren't just in our little circles.

549
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<v Speaker 8>And we have to maintain that.

550
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<v Speaker 6>Whether it happens from the national standpoint currently or not

551
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<v Speaker 6>remains to be seen. But I want to see that

552
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<v Speaker 6>more action, more connectivity, more coalition. You know, in Tennessee,

553
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<v Speaker 6>what we do like coalition is the pipeline two productive membership,

554
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<v Speaker 6>you know, and sometimes I hate to break it.

555
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<v Speaker 8>Addition is by some traction like like raw dollars.

556
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<v Speaker 6>Sure, raw dollars are great, raw dollars that have no

557
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<v Speaker 6>arms and legs to do anything productive. It's it's you know,

558
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<v Speaker 6>and and punching above our weight like we've been doing.

559
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<v Speaker 8>We have to continue that.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think I think that hopefully some folks with

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<v Speaker 6>national will will heed that we're kind of in a

562
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<v Speaker 6>waiting pattern here and we'll see what happens in Grand Rapids.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'll just I'll just say it bluntly.

564
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<v Speaker 4>I think that, you know, subtraction when it comes to

565
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<v Speaker 4>people that are in the Libertarian Party because they're obsessed

566
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<v Speaker 4>with like trans issues or you know, gay rights and

567
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<v Speaker 4>oppression and all this stuff that really just falls into

568
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<v Speaker 4>the progressive umbrella. I don't think that they're best fit.

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<v Speaker 4>And I know they feel the same way about me.

570
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<v Speaker 4>So there's no law love loss between either side. But

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<v Speaker 4>I just don't see this systemic oppression.

572
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<v Speaker 3>Narrative as being viable.

573
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<v Speaker 4>The people that think that racism is the biggest problem

574
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<v Speaker 4>that faces this country, and there are people, there are

575
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<v Speaker 4>people in Libertarian Party that feel that way. I feel

576
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<v Speaker 4>like they're just not in the right place.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, man, it's it's much easier.

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<v Speaker 6>Back before Douglas Murray got retarded with war, he had

579
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<v Speaker 6>a great book called The Madness of Crowds and I

580
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<v Speaker 6>love It's one of my favorite books, and it talks

581
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<v Speaker 6>about Saint George, right, the old Saint George from England.

582
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<v Speaker 6>Once he retired after slaying the dragon, he moved on

583
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<v Speaker 6>to lizards and snakes and raccoons, and then eventually they

584
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<v Speaker 6>found him in the middle of his field swinging his

585
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<v Speaker 6>sword at thin air because.

586
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<v Speaker 3>There was nothing left to slay.

587
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<v Speaker 6>But it's a lot easier for libertarians, especially identitarians, where

588
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<v Speaker 6>the name tag of my identity is how I that's

589
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<v Speaker 6>my social credit, the pain olympic types. It's easier to

590
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<v Speaker 6>go and solve problems that are largely solved as racism

591
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<v Speaker 6>one hundred percent gone.

592
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<v Speaker 8>No, does it have power?

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<v Speaker 6>No, you know, we have more productive things, especially as libertarians,

594
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<v Speaker 6>to worry about life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, property rights,

595
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<v Speaker 6>these things that are clearly egregiously smashed by the federal

596
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<v Speaker 6>and state governments. That's what we should be focusing on,

597
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<v Speaker 6>and that's why I'm so issues focused. But when it

598
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<v Speaker 6>becomes identity politic game, it falls on deaf ears. And

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<v Speaker 6>again I'm not saying I'm against this, that or the

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<v Speaker 6>other group. I'm for human beings are.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the problem, though, is that you shouldn't even have

602
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<v Speaker 4>to say that. Everything you everything you said to open

603
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<v Speaker 4>this was you know, life, life, liberty, property, you know,

604
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<v Speaker 4>pursuit of happening, all that that is applicable to everybody,

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<v Speaker 4>if you're trans, black, gay, whatever like that. All of

606
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<v Speaker 4>these principles are basically universal. So yes, who cares. It's

607
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<v Speaker 4>it's just not it's just not worth our focus. But

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<v Speaker 4>the problem is is that what I found is that

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<v Speaker 4>those that are obsessed with the things that are kind

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<v Speaker 4>of they're tilting at win windmals when you know, racism

611
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<v Speaker 4>being the specter that haunts us daily, they're also the

612
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<v Speaker 4>ones that are are most prone to missing the genuine, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, topic that must be right, like you must

614
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<v Speaker 4>be right about in the moment, and they get they

615
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<v Speaker 4>get the Ukraine stuff wrong, they get the lockdowns, they

616
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<v Speaker 4>get the vaxed stuff wrong, like across the board. There's

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<v Speaker 4>something about how the people that are obsessed with the

618
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<v Speaker 4>whole liberal worldview, they also cannot see what's happening in

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<v Speaker 4>real time. And I just from my vantage point, that

620
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<v Speaker 4>makes them essentially useless. And you know that sounds like

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<v Speaker 4>a harsh conbination.

622
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<v Speaker 3>But useless or useful idiot.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the overlap is significant, and I don't think it's

624
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<v Speaker 4>a coincidence. I think it has something to do with

625
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<v Speaker 4>your worldview. I really do it does.

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<v Speaker 6>And it's a worldview that stems from Marxism with power,

627
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<v Speaker 6>dynamic and paying Olympic type. I call it theology honestly,

628
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<v Speaker 6>and viewing it through that instead of through a first

629
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<v Speaker 6>principles lens of again life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, property rights,

630
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<v Speaker 6>non aggression, which is not non violent. By the way,

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of people equate those two. Aggression and violence

632
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<v Speaker 6>are two different things. But you are correct, and what

633
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<v Speaker 6>ends up happening is the blemish tarnishes the garment, if

634
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<v Speaker 6>you will, those blemishes in the past, as libertarians like

635
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:57.519
<v Speaker 6>you and my, You and me, we didn't get involved

636
00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:02.920
<v Speaker 6>in the party until recent history because like we looked

637
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:04.559
<v Speaker 6>at it and we were like, I'm not wearing clown

638
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<v Speaker 6>shoes and undermining my entire influence with my social circles

639
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:11.279
<v Speaker 6>and my professional circles because all someone's going to do

640
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<v Speaker 6>is google Libertarian Party and see some naked dude on

641
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<v Speaker 6>c Span. Now after Angela's term here, we have such quality,

642
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<v Speaker 6>such quality content that is in the zeitgeist of the

643
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<v Speaker 6>American citizen. I mean, during our national convention, we were

644
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<v Speaker 6>all having people text us They're like.

645
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<v Speaker 3>Hey, you're libertarian, right, what is going on? Oh my god?

646
00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:35.359
<v Speaker 6>Because Donald Trump and RFK are They're giving their sales

647
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<v Speaker 6>pitch to a voter block in an election that had

648
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<v Speaker 6>razor thin margins.

649
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<v Speaker 8>That's wielding actual power. And honestly, I'd.

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<v Speaker 6>Be okay if the LNC nominated Chase Oliver for presidential

651
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<v Speaker 6>candidate every year, because it's the ultimate weight in retrospect

652
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<v Speaker 6>to wield power from a national standpoint in different states.

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<v Speaker 3>I disagree. I disagree, all right, So hear me out.

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<v Speaker 4>This is what my thought process was because we didn't

655
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<v Speaker 4>get much in terms of concessions. We didn't get a

656
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:06.279
<v Speaker 4>libertarian in the cabinet, specifically because we did not endorse

657
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<v Speaker 4>Donald Trump.

658
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<v Speaker 3>And if you know, this.

659
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<v Speaker 4>Is going to be very controversial, but I just think

660
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<v Speaker 4>it's it's worth consideration. So let's just do the thought experiment.

661
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<v Speaker 4>So the whole reason that Bobby Kennedy is now the

662
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<v Speaker 4>head of HHS, which wields.

663
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:21.239
<v Speaker 3>Enormous power, eenormous.

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<v Speaker 4>It's about as big as any single department right up

665
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<v Speaker 4>there with you know, DoD Pentagon type of stuff. Major

666
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:31.440
<v Speaker 4>too much in terms of power, honestly, But the reason

667
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<v Speaker 4>he got that is because he was polling at ten

668
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<v Speaker 4>percent and he dropped out and he endorsed Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 4>and like he had immense leverage, he used it at

670
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<v Speaker 4>its maximal time and he pissed off a lot of

671
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:48.840
<v Speaker 4>his supporters, but he ended up getting into something that

672
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<v Speaker 4>he probably would have never been capable of doing, Like

673
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:53.159
<v Speaker 4>he wasn't going to win the presidency because the DNC

674
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<v Speaker 4>had already blocked him out.

675
00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:56.519
<v Speaker 3>So this was this was his only.

676
00:34:56.320 --> 00:35:00.679
<v Speaker 4>Pathway to actual political power. He worked at masterfully, and

677
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<v Speaker 4>I think that he's going to do a great job

678
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<v Speaker 4>as HHS. So my thesis is this, we don't run

679
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<v Speaker 4>at Jase Oliver. We run a Dave Smith level character,

680
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<v Speaker 4>and we then negotiate once we're pulling four or five

681
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:16.519
<v Speaker 4>percent in a margin that we can actually, you know,

682
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:18.920
<v Speaker 4>shift the outcome of an election, and then we throw

683
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<v Speaker 4>our support to somebody whoever's most in alignment, whoever promises

684
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:26.199
<v Speaker 4>us the most. That's going to be very unpopular amongst

685
00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:28.599
<v Speaker 4>the LLENC faithful. But I'm curious what your thoughts are.

686
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<v Speaker 4>Is that is that something we could ever consider.

687
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<v Speaker 6>I don't disagree that's a very good idea because and

688
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:36.119
<v Speaker 6>again it all a lot of this depends on how

689
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<v Speaker 6>the midterms go, because you know, it's always set up, punch,

690
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<v Speaker 6>set up punch midterms.

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<v Speaker 3>It depends.

692
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<v Speaker 6>Right now, let's say this hot streak of libertarian values continue,

693
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<v Speaker 6>right and all of a sudden, the GOP as a debater,

694
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<v Speaker 6>I once heard, all of a sudden, they're no longer

695
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:53.760
<v Speaker 6>campaigning like Ron Paul and ruling like John McCain, but

696
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:55.360
<v Speaker 6>now they're behaving like Ron Paul.

697
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>Ud, So the calculus now become.

699
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<v Speaker 6>Like, how do we continue to infect the populace with

700
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<v Speaker 6>libertarian ideals and keep it in the mainstream. So there's

701
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:12.599
<v Speaker 6>there's scenarios where, yeah, the GOP continues to do this,

702
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:17.639
<v Speaker 6>who knows. And I do think the next cycle, you know,

703
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:20.519
<v Speaker 6>I was in jest kind of saying that earlier because

704
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:23.639
<v Speaker 6>it was such a razor thin margin and Chase took

705
00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:28.360
<v Speaker 6>all the Democrat votes in those swing states. I think

706
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:34.000
<v Speaker 6>it's a good calculus for, you know, someone of principle

707
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.639
<v Speaker 6>of value, like a Dave Smith, a Clint Russell, Thomas Massey,

708
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:44.119
<v Speaker 6>who knows. You know, I love Glenn Jacobs myself, but

709
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:49.639
<v Speaker 6>he's a lifetime LP member, Mesa's institute guy. But someone

710
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:52.519
<v Speaker 6>that can really now that we've got now that that

711
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:54.960
<v Speaker 6>wound is open, and we cannot just go in there

712
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:57.719
<v Speaker 6>and cut cut out the bad tissue of the state

713
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:02.079
<v Speaker 6>using its own mechanisms. Now we can really precision with

714
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:07.440
<v Speaker 6>a really principled, libertarian, well spoken, likable, electable, that's the

715
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:10.920
<v Speaker 6>key word, electable candidate, because shit, man, we've got Hobby

716
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:12.760
<v Speaker 6>or Malay doing what he's doing down there, and this

717
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:17.000
<v Speaker 6>blueprint right now feels a lot, a lot similar to

718
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:21.079
<v Speaker 6>Cuera cut it all. So yeah, next time around, someone

719
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:24.840
<v Speaker 6>of principal fire up the base, I think, I think,

720
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:27.920
<v Speaker 6>and then you're looking at it getting even harder concessions.

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<v Speaker 6>We all knew that the relationship of the Israeli state

722
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:35.599
<v Speaker 6>and the United States state are so intermingled, dude, it's

723
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:39.000
<v Speaker 6>like a stage four tumor around the spinal cord inoperable

724
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:42.440
<v Speaker 6>right now, So we might just have to gut the body.

725
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<v Speaker 8>And lord, we knew that was going to be the

726
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:47.800
<v Speaker 8>hardest sell. I think we all know that.

727
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<v Speaker 3>Because yeah and no, and we were right. It's not

728
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:52.480
<v Speaker 3>much has changed in that regard.

729
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<v Speaker 4>So but yeah, I think I think it's a So

730
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<v Speaker 4>here's my concern because Angela's stepped down, which you know,

731
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:02.800
<v Speaker 4>obviously disappointed me because I was a big fan of

732
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:07.199
<v Speaker 4>what she was doing. Stephen Akaela comes in. I don't

733
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:10.400
<v Speaker 4>know much about the guy, but the first thing that goes,

734
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:12.719
<v Speaker 4>you know, kind of mini viral.

735
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<v Speaker 3>In my world is.

736
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<v Speaker 4>That he essentially posts firing it looked like the comms

737
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<v Speaker 4>person for LP National because they quote tweeted, you know,

738
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:26.199
<v Speaker 4>one of Kanye West kind of deranged rants and said,

739
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<v Speaker 4>you know, this is this is what free speech looks like,

740
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<v Speaker 4>or something like that, like not endorsing what he was saying,

741
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:33.000
<v Speaker 4>but just saying like this is the value of free speech.

742
00:38:33.559 --> 00:38:35.280
<v Speaker 4>And I had no problem with it. I didn't think

743
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:38.360
<v Speaker 4>it was controversial. I hadn't even seen anybody upset by it.

744
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:41.280
<v Speaker 4>But apparently the person was let go as a consequence.

745
00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:46.320
<v Speaker 4>As you would imagine, that caused very, very big concerns

746
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:49.119
<v Speaker 4>to me as someone who I used to ghost write

747
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:51.519
<v Speaker 4>for LP National for a couple months back in the day.

748
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:56.039
<v Speaker 4>And I think that the most compelling avenue for LP

749
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:59.639
<v Speaker 4>National and our messaging is to be on the cutting edge,

750
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:03.119
<v Speaker 4>to be playing off of viral things like that, and

751
00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:05.320
<v Speaker 4>to be pushing the envelope a little bit here and there.

752
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:08.239
<v Speaker 4>Maybe not to LP n H level, but you know,

753
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:11.599
<v Speaker 4>some somewhere somewhere, you know, fifty percent to that.

754
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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>And it seems as if my concern is that this

756
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<v Speaker 4>party is going back in the direction of the more

757
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:18.639
<v Speaker 4>progressive wing.

758
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:19.280
<v Speaker 3>Am I wrong?

759
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<v Speaker 6>So that specific thing that that tweet by who I

760
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:28.599
<v Speaker 6>don't even know who crafted it. It was a glaring

761
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.880
<v Speaker 6>example I understand exactly what it was, a glaring example of, Hey,

762
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:35.000
<v Speaker 6>this is proof we have free speech. The fact that

763
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<v Speaker 6>Kanye is saying this, this kind of stuff in the open,

764
00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:41.039
<v Speaker 6>and then you and then you fast forward a week

765
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:43.719
<v Speaker 6>or whatever, and you see what the German people are

766
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:47.079
<v Speaker 6>saying that this week in the news cycle about cancelation

767
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:49.639
<v Speaker 6>of free speech and free speech is actually the problem.

768
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:52.639
<v Speaker 6>That's how Hitler it's always Hitler. Well, that's how Hitler

769
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:55.000
<v Speaker 6>came to power. It was free speech check's notes. Okay,

770
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:56.519
<v Speaker 6>you know we couldn't use those three examples.

771
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:58.880
<v Speaker 8>It's free speech's fault. Yeah, I thought the tweet was

772
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<v Speaker 8>in if you read it.

773
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:03.320
<v Speaker 6>The problem is most people don't read read it and

774
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:06.039
<v Speaker 6>think what they're saying it's one hundred percent agreeable.

775
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:07.719
<v Speaker 3>That's that's how I felt.

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<v Speaker 6>This is like, this is hard proof Kanye West can

777
00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:15.000
<v Speaker 6>say this, this is proof that free speech exists. Yeah,

778
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:17.880
<v Speaker 6>not agreeing with what he's saying, whatever, it's an example

779
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<v Speaker 6>that it exists.

780
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<v Speaker 8>So I hope that that's not the case.

781
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<v Speaker 6>But like I said, there was a good, a good

782
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<v Speaker 6>meeting that I was involved in with with the current

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<v Speaker 6>chair and vice chair. And you know, I'm a national

784
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:36.199
<v Speaker 6>board member with the Mesas Caucus as well. And there's

785
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<v Speaker 6>a reason the real world is paying attention to the

786
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:42.280
<v Speaker 6>Libertarian Party right now, and it's because it had to

787
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:45.159
<v Speaker 6>be stripped down and built back up, one principal brick

788
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:48.639
<v Speaker 6>at a time. And if he doesn't continue with Angela's

789
00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:51.440
<v Speaker 6>plans and methods, it will be solely on him because

790
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:58.960
<v Speaker 6>the the internal infrastructure of being the best voiced libertarian

791
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:03.840
<v Speaker 6>party with tentacles into the real world is already there. Okay,

792
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:07.960
<v Speaker 6>it's it's going to be on him, Okay if it

793
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:08.719
<v Speaker 6>doesn't happen.

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00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:11.480
<v Speaker 4>So so you think you think he will continue in

795
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:15.039
<v Speaker 4>the mccardal esque path because it that that didn't send

796
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:19.800
<v Speaker 4>that message. No, you don't think so, Okay.

797
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:22.239
<v Speaker 8>I think I think it will be a slow roll

798
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:23.079
<v Speaker 8>of capitulation.

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<v Speaker 6>The problem a lot of libertarians is we say life, liberty, property, right,

800
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:31.280
<v Speaker 6>that matters, that, the nap whatever. The chief value to

801
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:34.719
<v Speaker 6>a lot of libertarians is niceness, go along and get alongness.

802
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:38.639
<v Speaker 4>That's not productivity, man, that that is definitely not my worldview.

803
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:45.440
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, exactly, productivity, passion on the values the first principles

804
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:47.920
<v Speaker 6>of libertarianism not go along to get along, go along

805
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:50.119
<v Speaker 6>to get along as way down here and go along

806
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.079
<v Speaker 6>to get along. It can chop you off with the

807
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:55.000
<v Speaker 6>knees for some of the especially some of these people

808
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:58.360
<v Speaker 6>that love playing libertarian Game of thrones, who who can

809
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:00.559
<v Speaker 6>be the least effective but get to where the name act. Dude,

810
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:04.039
<v Speaker 6>I don't care do to work like I've never understood

811
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<v Speaker 6>this match.

812
00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:05.000
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't.

813
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.480
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't care less about getting to where the name

814
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:10.519
<v Speaker 4>tag of power within the LP. It's see like when

815
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<v Speaker 4>I said, you know, niceness is not my concern. It's

816
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:15.440
<v Speaker 4>not that I'm not nice. I'm actually very nice, particularly

817
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:18.280
<v Speaker 4>to my friends, and I'm very loyal too. But when

818
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:21.679
<v Speaker 4>it comes to like people that I don't know tried

819
00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:24.239
<v Speaker 4>to lock me in my house and put crap in

820
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:26.400
<v Speaker 4>my body that I didn't want, and then, uh, you know,

821
00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:29.320
<v Speaker 4>put my great great grandkids into thirty seven trillion and

822
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.840
<v Speaker 4>going up exponentially of debt, and uh also led me

823
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.639
<v Speaker 4>into wars based off of lies and risk nuclear war.

824
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<v Speaker 4>Over the past two years three years with this proxy

825
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:42.599
<v Speaker 4>work against the largest nuclear power in human history in Russia.

826
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<v Speaker 4>It's like, should I be fucking nice to those people?

827
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<v Speaker 6>No?

828
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the fucking the answer is fuck no, I shouldn't

829
00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:50.360
<v Speaker 4>be nice, and I shouldn't be I shouldn't be like

830
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:53.320
<v Speaker 4>soft pedaling. How upset I am with these people. So

831
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<v Speaker 4>this is, this is and I think that's the reason

832
00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:58.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm successful as a messenger for us is that like

833
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:02.840
<v Speaker 4>I reflect genuine anger. It's not performative. It's like it's

834
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:06.320
<v Speaker 4>it's applicable, like I use it where applicable. And I

835
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<v Speaker 4>think that that's that's actually what a lot of people

836
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<v Speaker 4>want to see, especially if you're not a party that has,

837
00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:15.159
<v Speaker 4>you know, duopoly power structure where you have like a

838
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:18.400
<v Speaker 4>guaranteed fifty percent shot at the throne. It's like, well

839
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<v Speaker 4>we are, we have to fight like an upstart. Like,

840
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:22.559
<v Speaker 4>let's fight like an upstart. Let's get attention, let's say

841
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:25.000
<v Speaker 4>the things in a way that are compelling and passionate.

842
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:28.960
<v Speaker 4>And so yeah, if you're it seems like you share

843
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:31.039
<v Speaker 4>my concerns that mister Nikaela will not be head in

844
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:33.159
<v Speaker 4>that direction. He reached out to me, wants to have

845
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:36.079
<v Speaker 4>a lunch, So I'll reserve judgment and and see if

846
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:39.559
<v Speaker 4>if he's actually not as soft on these things as

847
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:41.639
<v Speaker 4>it seems. But I think it would be a huge

848
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:44.599
<v Speaker 4>mistake to go back to the messaging brand of old

849
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:47.239
<v Speaker 4>and I know many within the party want to do that,

850
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:49.840
<v Speaker 4>and I just I just can't disagree with them more.

851
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:52.079
<v Speaker 4>I think they're totally wrong headed, and I think that

852
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:55.639
<v Speaker 4>they're they've essentially grown accustomed to just getting their teeth

853
00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:59.719
<v Speaker 4>kicked in and all they care about is respectability. And

854
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:02.280
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I don't know what what do you

855
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:04.239
<v Speaker 4>think it is about their mentality that that makes them

856
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:05.800
<v Speaker 4>feel like that's a good path to take.

857
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:08.880
<v Speaker 6>I think everybody likes to feel like the smartest guy

858
00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:11.519
<v Speaker 6>at the gastro pub. It's a very hipster mentality, and

859
00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:16.199
<v Speaker 6>it's very it's a very elitist mentality. But from Timu,

860
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:21.159
<v Speaker 6>it's it's I want to be the smug smart guy

861
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:22.840
<v Speaker 6>I actually know better.

862
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:26.840
<v Speaker 8>Okay, well, can you show me anything tangible that this works?

863
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:27.199
<v Speaker 3>Will know?

864
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:29.800
<v Speaker 6>But you know, it's that it's that kind of mentality.

865
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:34.519
<v Speaker 6>And also, like a lot of things are are union

866
00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:41.599
<v Speaker 6>projection where people that claim about gatekeeping and social clubism

867
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:43.599
<v Speaker 6>and all this stuff, in reality that's what they want

868
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:45.599
<v Speaker 6>things to be. They don't want to take chances. They

869
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:46.960
<v Speaker 6>don't want to go out in the real world and

870
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:49.599
<v Speaker 6>make a difference. They don't want to bully politicians or

871
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:51.360
<v Speaker 6>whip politicians to vote the right way on.

872
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:52.360
<v Speaker 3>Things they don't know.

873
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:55.639
<v Speaker 6>They don't maybe they don't know how, or they they

874
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:59.519
<v Speaker 6>want to is not there, because it's much safer to

875
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:03.280
<v Speaker 6>be to not make waves, to not take risks, which

876
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:04.800
<v Speaker 6>is exactly what the party.

877
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:06.880
<v Speaker 3>Is not meant to do.

878
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:09.800
<v Speaker 8>It's meant to educate the populace and when.

879
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:13.760
<v Speaker 4>It and I understand you're just explaining their thought process,

880
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:16.719
<v Speaker 4>but let's just point out the fatal flaw in that logic.

881
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:19.840
<v Speaker 4>It is not safer to just go along to get

882
00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:23.000
<v Speaker 4>along when you're dealing with tyrannical government, Like that is

883
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:26.280
<v Speaker 4>not the safe pathway forward. The safe pathway is actually

884
00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:29.199
<v Speaker 4>to risk something now so you don't end up in

885
00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:32.400
<v Speaker 4>prison later. Like that's that's how you do it. And

886
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:35.320
<v Speaker 4>they seem to have that totally backwards. They're like like

887
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:37.760
<v Speaker 4>they're already living under communism and they're afraid of being

888
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:39.760
<v Speaker 4>the tallest nail that's gonna get hammered down. I'm like,

889
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:41.719
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, like, we're not

890
00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:44.639
<v Speaker 4>under communism yet, folks. We need to actually be courageous.

891
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:47.000
<v Speaker 4>We need to be bold, We need to stand up now.

892
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:49.719
<v Speaker 4>The more people that stand up and demonstrate that courage,

893
00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:52.199
<v Speaker 4>the more we enable our friends and family to do

894
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:54.480
<v Speaker 4>the same, in which case we might be able to

895
00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:58.039
<v Speaker 4>save this system. And it just seems as if they

896
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:01.000
<v Speaker 4>don't have that optimism or they just don't see how

897
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:02.519
<v Speaker 4>dire it is. And I think many of them don't

898
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:04.480
<v Speaker 4>see how dire it is, and that concerns me deeply.

899
00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:08.760
<v Speaker 6>Well, it's it's not just dire, but like for as

900
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:11.000
<v Speaker 6>quickly and as many words per minuted people can type

901
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:13.000
<v Speaker 6>through their thumbs or on their keyboard to get someone

902
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:15.480
<v Speaker 6>in person, and they can't make eye contact, and it's awkward.

903
00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:19.039
<v Speaker 6>We for a long time, there was a lot of

904
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:23.480
<v Speaker 6>people that needed the Libertarian Party, I think for personal validation.

905
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:28.920
<v Speaker 6>Now we have people like yourself, like Dave, people that

906
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:30.400
<v Speaker 6>don't need the Libertarian Party.

907
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:31.480
<v Speaker 8>The party needs them.

908
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:36.280
<v Speaker 6>People that are inherently impressive, professional people that can espouse

909
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:39.159
<v Speaker 6>the values, make the eye contact, have the inflection, get

910
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:41.880
<v Speaker 6>people on their feet, and that's viewed as a threat,

911
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:44.760
<v Speaker 6>so it's easier to just double down and go along

912
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:46.199
<v Speaker 6>to get along, and.

913
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:47.719
<v Speaker 3>It'll be fine, It'll be whatever.

914
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:50.280
<v Speaker 6>Maybe I'll get a nice maybe I'll get invited on

915
00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:52.719
<v Speaker 6>the Seless show every year on c SPAN to talk

916
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:55.800
<v Speaker 6>about a fringe art, you know, article or topic, or

917
00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:59.679
<v Speaker 6>maybe I can make a case argument for why vaccine

918
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:02.480
<v Speaker 6>a mass mandates are actually a good thing. Things of

919
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:05.000
<v Speaker 6>this nature, the way that they don't just kiss the ring,

920
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:06.880
<v Speaker 6>they swallow it, shit it out and kiss it again,

921
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:11.760
<v Speaker 6>and and like that is not who we are, dude, right,

922
00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:14.960
<v Speaker 6>And the funny part is who were supposed to be people.

923
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:18.559
<v Speaker 6>We're all just normal people working our careers, doing our jobs.

924
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:22.440
<v Speaker 6>We live and bleed for this stuff. And that's why

925
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:24.679
<v Speaker 6>I get involved, looking at looking at the COVID regime,

926
00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:28.400
<v Speaker 6>hearing absolutely nothing from national whatsoever.

927
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:30.960
<v Speaker 8>Hey, let's talk about a topic from nineteen ninety seven.

928
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:33.159
<v Speaker 3>No, yeah, no, what are you doing?

929
00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:35.000
<v Speaker 8>This is the most egregious overreach of all time.

930
00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:37.880
<v Speaker 6>And again this is why not only federal like our

931
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:43.719
<v Speaker 6>national messaging matters, but it's why our state level party

932
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:46.880
<v Speaker 6>activity matters, because we learned it during COVID.

933
00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:50.480
<v Speaker 8>That's why you're in Florida, you know, It's why I'm

934
00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:51.039
<v Speaker 8>inn state.

935
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:55.119
<v Speaker 4>It's state states matter tremendously. I could not agree more.

936
00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:58.880
<v Speaker 4>Here's my concern is that if the party does revert

937
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:03.840
<v Speaker 4>back to the the more progressive lane post mccardal, which

938
00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:05.800
<v Speaker 4>it sounds as if maybe that is the trajectory for

939
00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:09.800
<v Speaker 4>the next year or so until there's another election, I

940
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:12.239
<v Speaker 4>think that there's a real distinct possibly and this may

941
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:14.400
<v Speaker 4>happen regardless of what happens in the Libertarian Party. Let's

942
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:17.880
<v Speaker 4>be honest, because Trump as of now is governing in

943
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:21.920
<v Speaker 4>a much more libertarian vein and seems to have much

944
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:25.360
<v Speaker 4>more support from not people within the party but just

945
00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:30.000
<v Speaker 4>small l libertarians all across the country. That what we're

946
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:33.039
<v Speaker 4>gonna see, unfortunately, in my opinion, is what we saw

947
00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:35.679
<v Speaker 4>when Ron Paul was running in the GOP that all

948
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:37.800
<v Speaker 4>of the good Libertarians, all of the people that I

949
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:41.800
<v Speaker 4>like for the most part, left for the GOP to

950
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:45.039
<v Speaker 4>support Ron Paul, and I feel like many of them

951
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:47.760
<v Speaker 4>are doing the same and supporting Trump. I guess you

952
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:50.039
<v Speaker 4>could say I'm in that camp because I came out

953
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:52.360
<v Speaker 4>of the closet and supported him in the last you know,

954
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:53.840
<v Speaker 4>ten days before the election too.

955
00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:57.360
<v Speaker 3>Is that is that a concern of yours?

956
00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:01.760
<v Speaker 6>So yes, but also know you're always going to have

957
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:04.760
<v Speaker 6>the attrition of people because of the path of least resistance.

958
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:08.360
<v Speaker 6>And right now the GOP is is towing the line

959
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:11.039
<v Speaker 6>on on some some key good issues. And by the way,

960
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:12.639
<v Speaker 6>I say throw all the Congress out. They could have

961
00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:15.679
<v Speaker 6>been doing this shit the entire time. That took Elon's

962
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:17.239
<v Speaker 6>ass bergers to do.

963
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:18.880
<v Speaker 3>But but.

964
00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:24.360
<v Speaker 6>That's that that's going to happen, and I think Libertarians

965
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:25.599
<v Speaker 6>need to be okay with that.

966
00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:27.159
<v Speaker 3>We need we need.

967
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:28.480
<v Speaker 8>Everyone to be on their a game.

968
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:31.679
<v Speaker 6>And the reason I'm sticking around in the Libertarian Party,

969
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:33.960
<v Speaker 6>and again I work with GOP and I work with

970
00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:37.920
<v Speaker 6>some Democrats when it comes to issues, I'm staying with it.

971
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:40.639
<v Speaker 6>I think there needs to be a song strong, principled

972
00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:46.000
<v Speaker 6>Libertarian party at all times as a check, if you will,

973
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:48.000
<v Speaker 6>to make sure that what we just had happened this

974
00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:50.639
<v Speaker 6>last election happens every election where.

975
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:53.159
<v Speaker 4>People agree with our values out I agree with you,

976
00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:56.599
<v Speaker 4>But if we experience that attrition, then are we not

977
00:49:56.960 --> 00:50:01.159
<v Speaker 4>basically making the party not that? Because that's that's my

978
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:03.960
<v Speaker 4>that's my worry, is that it ends up not being

979
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:07.079
<v Speaker 4>a good enough party to actually get these concessions that

980
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:10.440
<v Speaker 4>we got last GOO around, particularly because there was so

981
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:13.519
<v Speaker 4>much opposition to what Angela was doing. I mean, like,

982
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:16.599
<v Speaker 4>I've never seen the kind of kind of pressure in

983
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:20.239
<v Speaker 4>you know, controversy that surrounded what she was attempting to

984
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:24.000
<v Speaker 4>you know, endeavor upon. So that's that's my fear.

985
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:25.639
<v Speaker 3>I think we need to use it.

986
00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:30.000
<v Speaker 6>I'm the kind of guy, you know, we can be

987
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:34.480
<v Speaker 6>wolves in sheep's clothing when it comes to two GOP

988
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:37.840
<v Speaker 6>pathways and again, whether it be running for all office

989
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:40.480
<v Speaker 6>or infiltrating systems, that makes total sense. And I think

990
00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:43.400
<v Speaker 6>that's good and I think it's healthy when it comes

991
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:47.480
<v Speaker 6>to being Libertarian Party oriented at national I think everything's

992
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:50.159
<v Speaker 6>fuel if you burn it hot enough. And I think

993
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:54.039
<v Speaker 6>the opportunity of the Libertarian National Party that Angela and

994
00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:55.960
<v Speaker 6>the Caucus has set the table for.

995
00:50:56.679 --> 00:50:58.559
<v Speaker 8>Getting us in the main limelight.

996
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:01.960
<v Speaker 6>That opportunity unity, if it sits and sizzles for a

997
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:05.239
<v Speaker 6>little bit, will be a rallying craft or based more

998
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:08.400
<v Speaker 6>based I'm talking pre Reno levels or higher of people

999
00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:10.400
<v Speaker 6>being like we got to continue to build on this.

1000
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:12.440
<v Speaker 8>That's my goal. That's what I'm doing.

1001
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:15.840
<v Speaker 6>That's what I'm doing in my state, and it's absolutely

1002
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:18.599
<v Speaker 6>working and all its health is is I've got dude,

1003
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:22.159
<v Speaker 6>I've got a phone call with the four term county

1004
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:27.639
<v Speaker 6>GOP chairman later today about defender guard legislation. I've met

1005
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:30.239
<v Speaker 6>with three other guys in the state that are true

1006
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:34.559
<v Speaker 6>conservative pissed off about the so called school choice bill

1007
00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:38.480
<v Speaker 6>that Rhino's passed in the state. And these people are

1008
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:41.400
<v Speaker 6>coming to me because they viewed what happened. It's parlaying

1009
00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:44.719
<v Speaker 6>what happened at national of having actual influence, and it's

1010
00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:48.000
<v Speaker 6>trickling down into state and local issues because they go

1011
00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:51.840
<v Speaker 6>Libertarians get shit done. Hey, let's work together it. So

1012
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:55.639
<v Speaker 6>my argument would be if that if that atrophies, that

1013
00:51:56.000 --> 00:52:00.119
<v Speaker 6>LP muscle of principal atrophies as a crow ball or

1014
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:02.360
<v Speaker 6>to keep people in check, if that goes away and

1015
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:05.519
<v Speaker 6>we all go into the blob, we might have what

1016
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:08.239
<v Speaker 6>happens to like what happens to Ron Paul happened, where

1017
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:09.119
<v Speaker 6>you go into the blob.

1018
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:09.679
<v Speaker 8>Now you're in the.

1019
00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:15.440
<v Speaker 6>Mechanism of the machine and that's it. I think I

1020
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:17.119
<v Speaker 6>think we can chew gun the walk. At the same time,

1021
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:20.320
<v Speaker 6>I think we need the best of the best conservative

1022
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:24.320
<v Speaker 6>and libertarian within the GOP, within the I don't think

1023
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:26.440
<v Speaker 6>there's any chance for the Democrats right now.

1024
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:29.679
<v Speaker 8>You know, And and we need to continue to build

1025
00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:31.039
<v Speaker 8>our own roster. That's the problem.

1026
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:34.480
<v Speaker 6>Libertarian Party hasn't had a roster of impeccable, impressive people

1027
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:36.880
<v Speaker 6>for so long. One guy comes along and does a

1028
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:40.800
<v Speaker 6>thing and everybody goes, holy shit, you know, like we

1029
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:43.280
<v Speaker 6>need to build our homegrown talent because no one is

1030
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:44.119
<v Speaker 6>coming to save us.

1031
00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:45.480
<v Speaker 8>It's up to us to do it.

1032
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:48.559
<v Speaker 3>You know, I could not agree more. Yeah, that's that's

1033
00:52:48.679 --> 00:52:49.440
<v Speaker 3>the uh.

1034
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:53.199
<v Speaker 4>I mean, just goes to show how how uh you know,

1035
00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:55.519
<v Speaker 4>what a dearth of talent we have that I'm just

1036
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:58.400
<v Speaker 4>some mortgage broker in San Diego, and then I'm like,

1037
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:00.840
<v Speaker 4>I'm one one or two. It's away from being the

1038
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:04.039
<v Speaker 4>vice presidential nominee a couple of years later without even

1039
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:04.800
<v Speaker 4>really campaigning.

1040
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:06.760
<v Speaker 3>It's it's a yeah, we.

1041
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:10.039
<v Speaker 4>Need, we need more homegrown talent. And I think that

1042
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:14.079
<v Speaker 4>that if you actually convey to the more I guess,

1043
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:17.639
<v Speaker 4>the more impressive, uh, you know, speakers amongst us that

1044
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:21.480
<v Speaker 4>like there is a pathway by which this parlays into

1045
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:25.199
<v Speaker 4>something that means something. Yes, I think I think that

1046
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:28.519
<v Speaker 4>matters because it mattered to me, and I wouldn't have

1047
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:29.920
<v Speaker 4>done it. If I didn't think that it would have

1048
00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:33.119
<v Speaker 4>actually led to something. And I think that's the you know,

1049
00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:36.440
<v Speaker 4>Angela showed kind of the pathway, and now it's up

1050
00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:38.280
<v Speaker 4>to the party if they want to go along with

1051
00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:41.719
<v Speaker 4>continuing on that process. It just at this junction, it

1052
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:45.440
<v Speaker 4>seems as if there is no coalescing of the party

1053
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:47.960
<v Speaker 4>behind that pathway, like so many of them want to

1054
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:51.119
<v Speaker 4>go back to not having any impact at all.

1055
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:51.400
<v Speaker 3>It.

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00:53:51.559 --> 00:53:54.079
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, man, it feels it feels very early similar to

1057
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:57.199
<v Speaker 6>the local dog that chases the tire, catches the tire

1058
00:53:57.480 --> 00:53:59.360
<v Speaker 6>and then realizes it's just going to get ran over.

1059
00:53:59.239 --> 00:53:59.639
<v Speaker 3>By the tire.

1060
00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:05.239
<v Speaker 6>It on because like, we have such a monumental time

1061
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.920
<v Speaker 6>and space we live in right now with being libertarian,

1062
00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:12.599
<v Speaker 6>we have to take action and do something with it.

1063
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:14.519
<v Speaker 8>Don't just ask, don't just pass the plate around and

1064
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:14.800
<v Speaker 8>go what.

1065
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:16.280
<v Speaker 3>Do you got to get our funding up? We got

1066
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:17.280
<v Speaker 3>to get our members up.

1067
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:20.960
<v Speaker 6>Give actionable items so that people can see the vision

1068
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:25.119
<v Speaker 6>and give towards the vision of what you're doing. Yeah, productivity,

1069
00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:27.239
<v Speaker 6>not just running on a treadmill. You know, that was

1070
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:30.800
<v Speaker 6>great with Angela, the anti war rallies, the coalition, building

1071
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:34.079
<v Speaker 6>building those bridges with other people outside of our network

1072
00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:37.920
<v Speaker 6>that agree with our values and they realize Libertarians actually

1073
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:40.280
<v Speaker 6>care and are going to get something done. That is

1074
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:42.360
<v Speaker 6>the bridge you build to new members, because so many

1075
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:45.280
<v Speaker 6>times the Libertarian Party tries to bleed the same damn

1076
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:48.639
<v Speaker 6>turnips for money and these people eventually go, no, what

1077
00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:52.360
<v Speaker 6>are you doing with it? Exactly, Macaroni play art for liberty?

1078
00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:53.760
<v Speaker 6>Come on, do something productive?

1079
00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:55.480
<v Speaker 4>Come on, well, I mean think about think about how

1080
00:54:55.519 --> 00:54:57.719
<v Speaker 4>much more compelling this pitches. If you call up a

1081
00:54:57.719 --> 00:55:01.360
<v Speaker 4>donor and you say, hey, yeah, I'm looking for donations

1082
00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:05.599
<v Speaker 4>to LP National for presidential campaign. Yes, we're not going

1083
00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:08.440
<v Speaker 4>to win, but here's the concession that we're asking for.

1084
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:12.960
<v Speaker 4>We're asking for the abolition of the ATF Like, you know, something,

1085
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:18.800
<v Speaker 4>something that's like fucking real and actionable and potentially viable.

1086
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:21.800
<v Speaker 4>I mean that that, to me is much more compelling

1087
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:23.599
<v Speaker 4>because if you call me up and you say that,

1088
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:26.119
<v Speaker 4>all of a sudden, I'm like, wait, what you know,

1089
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:29.760
<v Speaker 4>like like because before I'm just like, uh, not interested,

1090
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:32.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, right? And I think that's the problem is

1091
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:36.880
<v Speaker 4>that ninety nine percent of people rightfully say not interested,

1092
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.480
<v Speaker 4>and you have a you have an opportunity to actually

1093
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:42.719
<v Speaker 4>demonstrate how you can turn their dollars into something that

1094
00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:45.840
<v Speaker 4>helps their lives, and are you going to do that

1095
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:49.440
<v Speaker 4>or not? And I just I fear that the old guard,

1096
00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:51.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, reclaiming power, is not interested in doing that.

1097
00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:55.360
<v Speaker 4>And I just I wish I could understand why, because

1098
00:55:56.280 --> 00:55:56.800
<v Speaker 4>so obvious.

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00:55:56.920 --> 00:56:00.679
<v Speaker 6>Well, those that want to go back to the the

1100
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:03.119
<v Speaker 6>case ross of the raw away things are those are

1101
00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:05.639
<v Speaker 6>the people that don't do They're just very loud about

1102
00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:09.800
<v Speaker 6>what they don't do, so loud and and what you're

1103
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:14.480
<v Speaker 6>saying right there, like that kind of bold messaging, we

1104
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:16.719
<v Speaker 6>want to bolish the ATF. You get immediate buy in

1105
00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:20.559
<v Speaker 6>from actual conservatives on on something like that, and boom,

1106
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:21.880
<v Speaker 6>you've got a coalition pipeline.

1107
00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:23.639
<v Speaker 8>Now I gotta quit doing this message on video.

1108
00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:27.800
<v Speaker 4>You got to just think about calling calling up donors

1109
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:30.519
<v Speaker 4>in Texas. You calling up like you just call up Republicans.

1110
00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:32.880
<v Speaker 4>You can pull up a list of Republican donors, call

1111
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:34.679
<v Speaker 4>up the Republican donors and say, hey, you know how

1112
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:37.639
<v Speaker 4>the GOP hasn't done a fucking thing to diminish or

1113
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:39.840
<v Speaker 4>to increase gun rights over the past fucking one hundred

1114
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:42.920
<v Speaker 4>years or very little. Yeah, this is our this is

1115
00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:45.440
<v Speaker 4>our pathway. No, we're not gonna we're not gonna take

1116
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:47.559
<v Speaker 4>the White House away from Donald Trump or JAD events.

1117
00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:50.800
<v Speaker 4>But here's here's how we get the atf gone. Like

1118
00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:53.239
<v Speaker 4>I'm telling you, man, that's a fucking that's a message

1119
00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:54.840
<v Speaker 4>that rips right through them.

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00:56:55.159 --> 00:56:57.239
<v Speaker 3>It really would, absolutely, dude.

1121
00:56:57.280 --> 00:57:00.000
<v Speaker 6>And what you're talking about is is tangible net liberty

1122
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:04.039
<v Speaker 6>and in the real world and and anybody anybody that

1123
00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:07.360
<v Speaker 6>uh I was talking about this with my fiance Samantha

1124
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:14.239
<v Speaker 6>earlier the week, Like anytime people are so harped on

1125
00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:19.199
<v Speaker 6>a presidential ticket or voting someone that has a letter

1126
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:23.039
<v Speaker 6>next to their name, they're they're giving away their value

1127
00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:26.280
<v Speaker 6>system because that is me casting.

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00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:28.039
<v Speaker 8>A vote and voting harder and doing you know.

1129
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:30.920
<v Speaker 6>That makes me feel good. It makes me feel good

1130
00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:34.280
<v Speaker 6>as a libertarian. I got to vote for a libertarian guy.

1131
00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:38.760
<v Speaker 6>Actual real world liberty is doing what you're saying, rolling

1132
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:42.920
<v Speaker 6>the sleeves up, getting creative, forcing your view and your

1133
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:47.159
<v Speaker 6>again your view and your policy into the machine to

1134
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:51.719
<v Speaker 6>make it the machines issue now and and it takes it.

1135
00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:54.960
<v Speaker 6>It's in my in my view, it's the highest virtue.

1136
00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:57.719
<v Speaker 6>And if there's and well, there's no vision that people perish.

1137
00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:00.880
<v Speaker 6>You can't just throw out slogans and playitudes and expect

1138
00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:03.559
<v Speaker 6>any action. And so we're going to continue doing what

1139
00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:06.960
<v Speaker 6>we're doing as the Mesis Caucus me and as the

1140
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:12.079
<v Speaker 6>Tennessee state Chair. I'm definitely looking because Tennessee we've got

1141
00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:14.599
<v Speaker 6>proof of concept on how to run the playbook and

1142
00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:19.079
<v Speaker 6>be an effective state party, like we've got Conservatives red

1143
00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:22.960
<v Speaker 6>ass and fighting for constitutionality with Defend the Guard right now,

1144
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:27.760
<v Speaker 6>our rookie bill sponsor Michelle Renault, will not back down.

1145
00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:30.800
<v Speaker 6>One of the guys tried to co sponsors, tried last

1146
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:34.239
<v Speaker 6>week to hop off, and we bullied him into okay,

1147
00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:35.039
<v Speaker 6>I'll sign back on.

1148
00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:37.599
<v Speaker 8>That is what we're doing. It's wielding power.

1149
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:40.159
<v Speaker 6>It's making the phone calls, the emails, showing up, knocking

1150
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:42.199
<v Speaker 6>on the doors, looking a guy in the face and

1151
00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:48.480
<v Speaker 6>say you tell me, did you you know? Are are

1152
00:58:48.519 --> 00:58:51.280
<v Speaker 6>you for the constitution or federal funding? Where's your oath

1153
00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:55.239
<v Speaker 6>at here? You have those hard conversations and it is thankless,

1154
00:58:55.280 --> 00:58:56.480
<v Speaker 6>long hour work to do.

1155
00:58:57.039 --> 00:58:57.159
<v Speaker 3>Ye.

1156
00:58:57.440 --> 00:58:59.840
<v Speaker 6>Nobody is getting paid to do it. We're all volunteers

1157
00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:01.920
<v Speaker 6>to do it. But it either matters to us or

1158
00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:04.239
<v Speaker 6>it doesn't. For us, it matters and I want to

1159
00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:05.320
<v Speaker 6>you know, well, it.

1160
00:59:05.360 --> 00:59:08.360
<v Speaker 3>Matters the country. It matters more than I think most

1161
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:11.800
<v Speaker 3>people understand too, because my understanding with defend the Guard

1162
00:59:11.920 --> 00:59:13.800
<v Speaker 3>basically it makes it so that the National Guard can't

1163
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:17.360
<v Speaker 3>be deployed. Is that without a declaration of war from Congress.

1164
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:18.559
<v Speaker 3>That is correct? All right?

1165
00:59:18.880 --> 00:59:21.639
<v Speaker 4>So think I mean, just think about how much that

1166
00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:25.840
<v Speaker 4>diminishes the chances of World War three, like, because you're

1167
00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:28.960
<v Speaker 4>probably never going to get Congress to declare any war again.

1168
00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:33.079
<v Speaker 4>So if you can't just use the National Guard, that

1169
00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:35.920
<v Speaker 4>diminishes the troop count they have. And by by its

1170
00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:39.920
<v Speaker 4>very you know, nature, that diminishes the the calculus that

1171
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:43.039
<v Speaker 4>our state or our State Department, our DoD is making

1172
00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:45.800
<v Speaker 4>when it comes to like what can we do without

1173
00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:46.840
<v Speaker 4>a declaration of war?

1174
00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:47.480
<v Speaker 5>Uh?

1175
00:59:47.599 --> 00:59:49.920
<v Speaker 4>And that diminishes what they can possibly do. And I

1176
00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:52.199
<v Speaker 4>think that's a that's a huge positive and and it

1177
00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:55.559
<v Speaker 4>obviously keeps our people home and increases the chances of

1178
00:59:55.559 --> 00:59:58.599
<v Speaker 4>peace and prosperity and like, these are all very meaningful things.

1179
00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:01.000
<v Speaker 4>And I'm I've been thrilled to see, you know, the

1180
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:04.800
<v Speaker 4>Libertarians be so successful in working with the GOP to

1181
01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:08.039
<v Speaker 4>get that pushed through so well, do it's.

1182
01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:08.719
<v Speaker 3>The best party.

1183
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:11.960
<v Speaker 6>The best part is Donald Trump is ceties in favor

1184
01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:14.800
<v Speaker 6>of this, RFK Cities in favor is of this. Carlson

1185
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:19.239
<v Speaker 6>set in favor of the Department of Defense head Pete

1186
01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:23.000
<v Speaker 6>Hagseat Tennessee and has endorsed this on Fox News. So

1187
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:25.320
<v Speaker 6>it's really fun when one star or two star general

1188
01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:28.880
<v Speaker 6>comes knocking on doors because he's a professional lobbyist dangling

1189
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:32.119
<v Speaker 6>a care to federal funding, and guys can go, wait,

1190
01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:35.239
<v Speaker 6>does your boss's boss know that you're out here trying

1191
01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:37.199
<v Speaker 6>to undermine something he supports?

1192
01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:40.920
<v Speaker 8>Like you know, and I'm sorry when you do the math.

1193
01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:44.840
<v Speaker 6>We had a state congresswoman email us back, and it's funny.

1194
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:47.320
<v Speaker 6>She's like, well, it's my understanding. We if we were

1195
01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:49.199
<v Speaker 6>to do this, we might lose four hundred million in

1196
01:00:49.239 --> 01:00:52.880
<v Speaker 6>federal funding. She put a price tag on every Tennessee

1197
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:55.960
<v Speaker 6>Guards and we have ten thousand, seven hundred National Guardsmen

1198
01:00:55.960 --> 01:00:58.599
<v Speaker 6>in Tennessee. You do the math of that four hundred million.

1199
01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:01.960
<v Speaker 6>She's stating that this is just a shy above thirty

1200
01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:05.239
<v Speaker 6>three grand of federal dollars that's worth each one of

1201
01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:07.960
<v Speaker 6>those guys' lives. That's what you're telling me. I will

1202
01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:10.239
<v Speaker 6>Kathy Newman the shit out of you on this. So

1203
01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:14.400
<v Speaker 6>what you're telling me is and dude, we're seeing at work.

1204
01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:15.920
<v Speaker 6>And this isn't the only bill we're doing. I mean,

1205
01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:18.920
<v Speaker 6>we're abolishing property tax, abolishing grocery tax in Tennessee.

1206
01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:22.199
<v Speaker 8>Those are both looking really good. We're doing a lot

1207
01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:23.679
<v Speaker 8>of things. And it's not sexy work.

1208
01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:27.599
<v Speaker 6>It's not, yeah, but it's it's it's vital work to

1209
01:01:27.719 --> 01:01:30.519
<v Speaker 6>maintain the sovereignty of our state. And I think that

1210
01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:34.559
<v Speaker 6>kind of bullish mentality, that rugged mentality of going in

1211
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:39.400
<v Speaker 6>there and and making that making them be better on

1212
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:42.239
<v Speaker 6>what they say matters. This is your your are you

1213
01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:46.760
<v Speaker 6>saying you here against Donald Trump's entire presidency and the

1214
01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:49.880
<v Speaker 6>d O D head That's what you're saying, right because

1215
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:51.320
<v Speaker 6>you know what, that's what you're saying. And I got

1216
01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:53.559
<v Speaker 6>read as conservatives that are ready to primary you if

1217
01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:56.000
<v Speaker 6>you vote right on this, they might look the other way,

1218
01:01:56.239 --> 01:01:59.440
<v Speaker 6>you know exactly conversational.

1219
01:01:58.880 --> 01:01:59.880
<v Speaker 3>Power, No, it is.

1220
01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:04.000
<v Speaker 4>And but I think this is this is why you

1221
01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:07.199
<v Speaker 4>know Ron Paul's legacy matters so much, is that because

1222
01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:10.639
<v Speaker 4>of his success Obviously he grew the libertarian movement, but

1223
01:02:10.679 --> 01:02:14.480
<v Speaker 4>then as a consequence, Donald Trump kind of rode that

1224
01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:18.320
<v Speaker 4>wave a bit and grew it obviously, but he still

1225
01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:22.199
<v Speaker 4>he perpetuated some of some of the most key messaging

1226
01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:25.760
<v Speaker 4>that came from doctor Paul and popularized it. Now he's

1227
01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:28.199
<v Speaker 4>implementing some of it. And we're even talking about Ron

1228
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:31.800
<v Speaker 4>Paul possibly outing the FED, you know, finally, yeah, no kidding,

1229
01:02:32.360 --> 01:02:34.760
<v Speaker 4>what a life achievement. And you know, Cherry on the

1230
01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:37.559
<v Speaker 4>top of the Sunday if that happens. But my point

1231
01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:41.320
<v Speaker 4>is is that I think because because the libertarian movement,

1232
01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:43.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, he did that through the GOP, but then

1233
01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:46.719
<v Speaker 4>you know, Angela and us did our thing over this

1234
01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:50.800
<v Speaker 4>past election cycle. We have really infused so many libertarian

1235
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:55.199
<v Speaker 4>ideas into the federal you know, Trump round two campaign

1236
01:02:55.639 --> 01:02:58.880
<v Speaker 4>that we have immense leverage now when it comes like

1237
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:01.639
<v Speaker 4>like all the stuff that we've talked about forever is

1238
01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:04.719
<v Speaker 4>no longer outside of the overten window. Like it's it's

1239
01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:07.199
<v Speaker 4>it's definitely in it. It's still maybe on the periphery

1240
01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:09.960
<v Speaker 4>of the window, but it's fucking it's in it. And

1241
01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:11.519
<v Speaker 4>I think we got a real shot man, And I

1242
01:03:11.559 --> 01:03:13.760
<v Speaker 4>just I just hope that people don't lay off the gas.

1243
01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:16.280
<v Speaker 4>Like I know, there's this tendency once you've come out

1244
01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:18.400
<v Speaker 4>of like a really tyrannical period to just be like, well,

1245
01:03:18.440 --> 01:03:22.400
<v Speaker 4>things are ten percent better than they were, so let's

1246
01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:25.119
<v Speaker 4>let's relax. It's like no, no, no, no, we're we're one

1247
01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:27.559
<v Speaker 4>hundred percent away from where we're supposed to be. We've

1248
01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:29.320
<v Speaker 4>only taken ten percent of it back, We've got it

1249
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:32.360
<v Speaker 4>ninety percent more to go. Let's fucking let's hammer this thing.

1250
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:35.760
<v Speaker 4>And I just hope that that energy exists. I know

1251
01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:37.840
<v Speaker 4>it's hard to get people motivated after what we just

1252
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:40.440
<v Speaker 4>went through, but we need to be motivated because like

1253
01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:43.559
<v Speaker 4>now we actually have a chance at getting real wins.

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01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:45.880
<v Speaker 8>A hundred percent dude, and and it has to it

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<v Speaker 8>has to go that way. It is.

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<v Speaker 6>There's there's no halftime in this game exactly, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>And I understand people burn out and you've got to

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01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:56.039
<v Speaker 6>stay rested. That's great, but that's why God made coffee

1259
01:03:56.039 --> 01:03:59.360
<v Speaker 6>and uppers. I guess like, let's get let's get get

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01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:02.480
<v Speaker 6>the clock running. We're only you know, halfway through this

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01:04:02.599 --> 01:04:06.440
<v Speaker 6>trilogy here, and it takes It's classic Croft guardian ism.

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01:04:06.519 --> 01:04:10.280
<v Speaker 6>You aim for the sun, you know, you want the sun,

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01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:13.039
<v Speaker 6>and you take every star along the way the goalposts

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01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:16.960
<v Speaker 6>are moving, We're refining, We're refining, you know, we're we're

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01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:19.960
<v Speaker 6>we're getting our issues further and further and further down

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01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:23.400
<v Speaker 6>the track holding people accountable. So we need to continue

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01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:27.079
<v Speaker 6>with being impressive, being bold, being out front with our

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01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:33.079
<v Speaker 6>our our speakers, our candidates. Yes, but our talent pool

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01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:36.760
<v Speaker 6>to continue to espouse those values. And if you build it,

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01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:39.159
<v Speaker 6>they will come. And we're starting to see it, dude.

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01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:41.960
<v Speaker 6>You know, we we're seeing the crossover with with some

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01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:45.719
<v Speaker 6>of the actual constitutional types that have you know, we're

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01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:48.079
<v Speaker 6>seeing this and people's eyes are opening and they're going,

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01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:51.320
<v Speaker 6>you guys been right the whole time, right, And we

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01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:55.239
<v Speaker 6>also it's so important for libertarians to not get butt hurt.

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01:04:55.599 --> 01:04:59.119
<v Speaker 6>If our name is not explicitly attached to something, it

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01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:01.320
<v Speaker 6>is a win. And for when's sake?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, dude, I'm not I'm not in this for you know, Yes,

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01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:06.639
<v Speaker 4>nain a Meerganian is nice because then it allows me

1280
01:05:06.679 --> 01:05:08.639
<v Speaker 4>to get on bigger platforms, in which case I can

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01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:12.400
<v Speaker 4>spread my message further. But in terms of like the

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01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:14.679
<v Speaker 4>victory lap of whether or not I get any credit

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01:05:14.679 --> 01:05:17.039
<v Speaker 4>for the Ross Albert Free, I could care less, dude, Like,

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01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:19.800
<v Speaker 4>who gives a fuck. I just think it's so sad

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01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:22.280
<v Speaker 4>that people get caught up in that. It's like, do

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01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:24.760
<v Speaker 4>you want to free human beings like this?

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01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:27.679
<v Speaker 3>Like is that not enough? Is that enough reward for

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01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:28.480
<v Speaker 3>you or not? Dude?

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01:05:28.519 --> 01:05:30.480
<v Speaker 8>Like, well, actually it needs to be this mechanism.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:33.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's like no, that's not how I at all

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01:05:34.039 --> 01:05:36.239
<v Speaker 4>I mean. And this, this is exactly this is what

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01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:39.199
<v Speaker 4>drove me crazy about Chase's response to you know, Trump

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01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:41.400
<v Speaker 4>freeing Ross was like, well he could have done in

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01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:44.960
<v Speaker 4>his first term. It's like, ah, man, is that that's

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01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:47.360
<v Speaker 4>the message you send within twenty four hours of him

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01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:50.440
<v Speaker 4>actually following through on a promise to us, Like he

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01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:52.760
<v Speaker 4>made the promise to us, that's what you got to say.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, yeah, look, we all know, yes he should

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<v Speaker 4>have freed him in this first term, but that's just

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<v Speaker 4>not the point right now. That is not the point

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<v Speaker 4>that you make in that moment, and that's not how

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01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:04.760
<v Speaker 4>you play power games at all. And it's just it

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01:06:04.840 --> 01:06:07.519
<v Speaker 4>really it emphasized to me that like, some of these

1305
01:06:07.519 --> 01:06:09.840
<v Speaker 4>people are perennial losers. And it's not it's not like

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01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:13.360
<v Speaker 4>an accident. It's like they don't understand how to fucking

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01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:15.440
<v Speaker 4>win friends and influence people at all.

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01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:16.079
<v Speaker 3>Like they just.

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01:06:16.079 --> 01:06:18.559
<v Speaker 4>Don't they don't see it, And I can't help you

1310
01:06:18.679 --> 01:06:20.800
<v Speaker 4>if you still don't get it after you know, watching

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01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:22.960
<v Speaker 4>how you do it, Like that's how you do it.

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01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:25.920
<v Speaker 4>Angela showed you how, and you fought her every step

1313
01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:28.360
<v Speaker 4>of the way. She was still victorious, and you still

1314
01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:32.840
<v Speaker 4>hated her, and you still pitched and moaned, and it's

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01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:35.440
<v Speaker 4>just like, I just have no I have very I

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01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:37.880
<v Speaker 4>have I have no I'll just be honest, I have

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01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:40.119
<v Speaker 4>no fucking patience for these people anymore as you can

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01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:43.599
<v Speaker 4>double I talk about it. Very frustrating. Anyways, I'll get

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01:06:43.639 --> 01:06:45.679
<v Speaker 4>you out of here on this, Ben, What do you

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01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:49.760
<v Speaker 4>think about the deportation regime that's happening right now, because

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<v Speaker 4>I know this is an area of major contentiousness amongst

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01:06:53.880 --> 01:06:57.840
<v Speaker 4>our camp. I think that as of now, what I've

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01:06:57.880 --> 01:07:01.239
<v Speaker 4>seen is that it's been primarily focused on, if not entirely,

1324
01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:06.159
<v Speaker 4>focused on violent illegal immigrants, like people that actually have records.

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01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:09.440
<v Speaker 4>I don't even from you know, the open borders perspective.

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01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:12.159
<v Speaker 4>I don't know how you could argue in defense of that.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, is it okay?

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01:07:14.719 --> 01:07:15.760
<v Speaker 3>So far? Dude?

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<v Speaker 6>It's it's so it's funny, like my my great grandparents

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01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:24.400
<v Speaker 6>on my mother's side were illegals right from Mexico. So

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01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:26.920
<v Speaker 6>I love when people look at me and they're like,

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01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:28.719
<v Speaker 6>oh this guy who I'm.

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<v Speaker 8>Like, no, no, no, no, no. According to you, I get,

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01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:34.159
<v Speaker 8>I get to say here, yeah, I mean, it's.

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01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:39.360
<v Speaker 3>My boiler relaxed. Yeah, dude, And like.

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01:07:41.719 --> 01:07:44.760
<v Speaker 6>You have to get you have to start somewhere. And again,

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01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:47.360
<v Speaker 6>this is comparing to what I understand. I don't live

1338
01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:50.960
<v Speaker 6>in theory arguments or whatnot. I'm I'm caveat, I'm hoppy

1339
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:53.760
<v Speaker 6>in I'm private borders obviously, but this is the reality

1340
01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:56.840
<v Speaker 6>of the situation that we're in. You have violent overtakings

1341
01:07:56.880 --> 01:07:59.360
<v Speaker 6>of communities, violent overtakings.

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01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:01.039
<v Speaker 3>It's got to go, yep.

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01:08:01.559 --> 01:08:04.280
<v Speaker 6>And and I don't care if it's I mean that,

1344
01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:05.639
<v Speaker 6>I don't if it's violence going on.

1345
01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:09.000
<v Speaker 8>I don't care if legal or not. True like violence

1346
01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:11.159
<v Speaker 8>and violence is violence.

1347
01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:12.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1348
01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:14.480
<v Speaker 4>And if you if if you turn a blind eye

1349
01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:17.199
<v Speaker 4>to that as a libertarian, like no one should take

1350
01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:17.760
<v Speaker 4>you seriously.

1351
01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:20.960
<v Speaker 3>Exactly. It's first principles, dude, Yeah, exactly. So.

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01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:24.000
<v Speaker 6>And I just in regards to the immigration stuff, like

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01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:28.680
<v Speaker 6>it's clearly I mean, you had you had lurch, go

1354
01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:30.640
<v Speaker 6>on Joe Rogan and stay the quiet part out loud.

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<v Speaker 6>It's the Democratic game plan of changing voter demographic blocks

1356
01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:35.239
<v Speaker 6>and free districting to win.

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01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:37.640
<v Speaker 8>They don't care about these people.

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01:08:37.800 --> 01:08:39.159
<v Speaker 3>Nope, not at all.

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01:08:39.199 --> 01:08:41.199
<v Speaker 6>And at the same time, we have to fix that

1360
01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:44.439
<v Speaker 6>that we need to fix the reason that a lot

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01:08:44.479 --> 01:08:48.560
<v Speaker 6>of this people displacement happens south of our border and overseas.

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01:08:48.640 --> 01:08:50.880
<v Speaker 8>American foreign policy has created the problem.

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01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:53.960
<v Speaker 4>People are going to find out that USA defunding Freeze

1364
01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:56.800
<v Speaker 4>helps with that a lot. And I think I don't

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01:08:56.800 --> 01:09:00.199
<v Speaker 4>know that the Trump administration knows that, all right, the

1366
01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:02.840
<v Speaker 4>admin probably does, I don't think Trump knows that. I

1367
01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:05.279
<v Speaker 4>don't think that right, he actually understands how USA D

1368
01:09:05.439 --> 01:09:09.119
<v Speaker 4>plays into toppling governments, which displaces people and then forces

1369
01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:13.479
<v Speaker 4>them to to migrate as basically refugees from uh totally

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01:09:13.479 --> 01:09:17.199
<v Speaker 4>collapse states. But that's a reality, and I agree with you,

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<v Speaker 4>So I guess I just hope, I just hope that,

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01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:26.119
<v Speaker 4>I just hope that we can have reasonable messaging on

1373
01:09:26.199 --> 01:09:29.600
<v Speaker 4>that issue, because I think there is as as you know,

1374
01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:32.359
<v Speaker 4>there's a major divide within the party as to what

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01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:35.439
<v Speaker 4>are what our principles are when it comes to borders

1376
01:09:35.439 --> 01:09:39.199
<v Speaker 4>and immigration and things like that, and you and I align.

1377
01:09:39.319 --> 01:09:41.800
<v Speaker 4>I'm hoppy in private borders too, but like that's not

1378
01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:43.840
<v Speaker 4>the world we live in. So you know, now I'm

1379
01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:47.840
<v Speaker 4>dealing in reality. But I think that if you, if

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01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:50.840
<v Speaker 4>you basically fight this, because like there was the reason

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01:09:50.840 --> 01:09:53.520
<v Speaker 4>I'm asking or I'm talking about this is that a

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01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:57.399
<v Speaker 4>few hours ago there was report that a immigration vehicle

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01:09:57.720 --> 01:10:00.800
<v Speaker 4>for deportations was lit on fire. I think was in Seattle.

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01:10:00.920 --> 01:10:05.439
<v Speaker 4>I'm I'm forgetting, which what a surprise. You're right, but

1385
01:10:06.239 --> 01:10:10.439
<v Speaker 4>like there's gonna be I here's my fear. My fear

1386
01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:12.479
<v Speaker 4>is that some of the open borders libertarians are going

1387
01:10:12.520 --> 01:10:15.800
<v Speaker 4>to defend that because it's basically fighting tyranny.

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01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:16.399
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:19.600
<v Speaker 4>And I hope I'm wrong, but I would not be

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01:10:19.640 --> 01:10:21.600
<v Speaker 4>surprised if I see it. I just hope it doesn't

1391
01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:25.520
<v Speaker 4>come from any state accounts. I just, oh, man, it

1392
01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:27.520
<v Speaker 4>won't come from ours. I can tell you that, no,

1393
01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:30.479
<v Speaker 4>of course, But I'm just I'm just saying. I think

1394
01:10:30.520 --> 01:10:32.560
<v Speaker 4>I think that, like this is an issue that actually

1395
01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:37.399
<v Speaker 4>has broad appeal, and it's actually bipartisan. Democrats even are

1396
01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:40.439
<v Speaker 4>are giving you know, they're basically shutting the fuck up

1397
01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:42.600
<v Speaker 4>because they're like, yeah, this has gotten out of hand.

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01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:47.720
<v Speaker 6>Actual leftists like Jimmy Door. Yeah, I love Jimmy. He's

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01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:49.760
<v Speaker 6>a faith guy that once he digs it, he's a

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01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:52.359
<v Speaker 6>gold bug. Now when he digs into an issue, he

1401
01:10:52.399 --> 01:10:54.600
<v Speaker 6>does his own research, as his joke says, and he

1402
01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:56.680
<v Speaker 6>comes around to the truth on it. I'm I'm loving

1403
01:10:56.720 --> 01:10:59.680
<v Speaker 6>seeing his progress. It's it's a it's an actual it's

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01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:04.159
<v Speaker 6>an sure problem. Like and I love everyone that espouse.

1405
01:11:04.239 --> 01:11:06.279
<v Speaker 6>I love them, you know, the espousing of oh, just

1406
01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:08.600
<v Speaker 6>let everybody, and you never see them actually do that

1407
01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:09.840
<v Speaker 6>in their own real life.

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01:11:10.760 --> 01:11:12.079
<v Speaker 8>No, but they want everyone else.

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01:11:11.920 --> 01:11:14.279
<v Speaker 4>To do it, and it's they're not they're not taking

1410
01:11:14.279 --> 01:11:15.720
<v Speaker 4>the doors off their apartments.

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01:11:16.119 --> 01:11:16.159
<v Speaker 1>No.

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01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:21.199
<v Speaker 4>Well, you know this is this actually goes back a

1413
01:11:21.239 --> 01:11:23.880
<v Speaker 4>good example of like not caring about getting credit for things.

1414
01:11:24.279 --> 01:11:26.760
<v Speaker 4>I've done multiple shows with Jimmy Dore. I've you know,

1415
01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:28.760
<v Speaker 4>I talked to him about the Federal Reserve and OKA

1416
01:11:28.800 --> 01:11:32.319
<v Speaker 4>in central banking, and it's like, like I could I

1417
01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:36.399
<v Speaker 4>could try and extrapolate his progress in this arena and

1418
01:11:36.479 --> 01:11:38.960
<v Speaker 4>being gold bugging and things like that into like, oh

1419
01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:41.760
<v Speaker 4>I planted those scenes. Who knows who he talks to

1420
01:11:41.800 --> 01:11:44.319
<v Speaker 4>so many people it could be like, but maybe I

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01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:46.479
<v Speaker 4>gave you know, a one percent little push in the

1422
01:11:46.520 --> 01:11:47.439
<v Speaker 4>right direction on that.

1423
01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:48.159
<v Speaker 3>Like that.

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01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:50.239
<v Speaker 4>That's the thing that I love about, you know, doing

1425
01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:53.439
<v Speaker 4>what I do is, you know, getting to just have

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01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:57.319
<v Speaker 4>relatively friendly conversations with people that I agree on seventy

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01:11:57.319 --> 01:12:00.880
<v Speaker 4>percent of things but are adamantly opposed on thirty percent things,

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01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:03.560
<v Speaker 4>and just seeing their evolution over time. I mean, Tucker

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01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:06.079
<v Speaker 4>Carlson's a great example of this. Tucker Carlson was not

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01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:08.800
<v Speaker 4>good a lot, you know, fifteen years ago he was

1431
01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:11.560
<v Speaker 4>fucking bad. Uh and now he's one of the best

1432
01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:14.479
<v Speaker 4>around our best that you know at the highest levels.

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01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:18.960
<v Speaker 4>Rogan's improved too, you know, he's he's gone from pretty

1434
01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:21.760
<v Speaker 4>hard left to more more libertarian leaning in my opinion.

1435
01:12:22.079 --> 01:12:25.439
<v Speaker 4>So I think that, like people, people downplay how much

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01:12:25.479 --> 01:12:27.800
<v Speaker 4>of an impact you know, particularly Dave Smith has had.

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01:12:28.239 --> 01:12:31.079
<v Speaker 4>Certainly doctor Paul everybody already gives him his due, but

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01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:34.239
<v Speaker 4>you know Dave's impact you have You have THEO Vaughan

1439
01:12:34.720 --> 01:12:37.560
<v Speaker 4>talking about Ron Paul auditing the FED and shit like that.

1440
01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:40.000
<v Speaker 4>It's like, man, we're we're making strides that I think

1441
01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:41.880
<v Speaker 4>people are not really paying attention to.

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01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:44.000
<v Speaker 3>Dude. It's it's chewing gum and walking.

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01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:46.840
<v Speaker 6>It's making those huge cultural strides like you and Dave

1444
01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:49.680
<v Speaker 6>and that, you know, and at the same time doing

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01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:52.479
<v Speaker 6>the institutional things and the gritty work, and both of

1446
01:12:52.479 --> 01:12:54.560
<v Speaker 6>those things working in tanem in the same.

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01:12:54.359 --> 01:12:57.000
<v Speaker 3>Spirit, yeh, the spirit of Ron Paul.

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01:12:57.039 --> 01:13:00.359
<v Speaker 6>And he's just before I forget Jimmy is probably it's

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01:13:00.399 --> 01:13:02.680
<v Speaker 6>looking like Jimmy might be popping in for twenty minutes

1450
01:13:02.680 --> 01:13:05.039
<v Speaker 6>on that virtual panel that you're doing with us at

1451
01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:08.720
<v Speaker 6>convention about the death of corporate news. So oh, maybe

1452
01:13:08.720 --> 01:13:10.319
<v Speaker 6>I'll get a chance to say what's up there too,

1453
01:13:10.439 --> 01:13:11.840
<v Speaker 6>So we'll we'll see.

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01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:14.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what what date is that? Do you remember?

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01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:17.159
<v Speaker 6>That is the March March first panel that we're doing

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01:13:17.159 --> 01:13:19.079
<v Speaker 6>with the Naydan Charlie from Good Morning Liberty about the

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01:13:19.079 --> 01:13:22.119
<v Speaker 6>death of corporate media. I'll have Samantha get in contact

1458
01:13:22.159 --> 01:13:24.560
<v Speaker 6>with you because it's going to be your huge voice

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01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:27.800
<v Speaker 6>out there. Jimmy's a huge voice out there. Corporate media

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<v Speaker 6>is officially dead. They did their last full court press

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<v Speaker 6>at this last election and people just aren't here for it,

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<v Speaker 6>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>But the March, the March first thing, is that going

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<v Speaker 3>to be open to the public. Can I post that it? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely, Yeah, it's our it's our it's our state convention.

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<v Speaker 6>It's when I'm up for reelection. Our entire board is

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<v Speaker 6>for the state Party. We've got that panel. We've got

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<v Speaker 6>doctor Peter McCullough, one of the greatest anti COVID restim doctors.

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<v Speaker 6>He's speaking at our gallup. We've got Dan mcnight from

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<v Speaker 6>Bring our Troops Home. He's doing an actual workshop on

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<v Speaker 6>how to proper push legislation. I've got doctor Denise Sibley,

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<v Speaker 6>which is like the Tennessee version of doctor McCullough for ivermectin.

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<v Speaker 6>She got shamed all that, she got it back in.

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<v Speaker 6>And then of course I got Nate Dress. So I've

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<v Speaker 6>got Michelle Renaud, who is our rep for Defend the

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<v Speaker 6>Guard in the state, one of our elected.

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<v Speaker 8>He's a Constable.

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<v Speaker 6>Will Bolton's gonna be speaking, and then of course both

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<v Speaker 6>of our be great mutual friend, the great illustrious Reverend

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<v Speaker 6>Dave Benner will be talking as well, because we all Loveday.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know who's a reverend.

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<v Speaker 8>Well reverend in liberty, Ok, Yeah, shout.

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<v Speaker 3>Out to Dave.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, Yeah, March first, ladies and gentlemen, make sure

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<v Speaker 4>you check that out. I say you have my endorsement

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<v Speaker 4>for your reelectionist chair in Tennessee. I hope that anybody

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<v Speaker 4>that's listening, that's in Tennessee right now get involved, even

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<v Speaker 4>if you vote GOP, even maybe more so if you

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<v Speaker 4>vote GOP historically, I would love to see you have

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<v Speaker 4>a conversation with Josiah and the LP Tennessee folks and

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<v Speaker 4>see if if there's something that you would be interested in,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, working with them on I think they're doing

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<v Speaker 4>great work and I think that that they, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>they model kind of my more more in alignment with

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<v Speaker 4>my vision as to how we actually like implement and

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<v Speaker 4>get wins, real wins, real world wins. And I just

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<v Speaker 4>wish you continued success.

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<v Speaker 3>Man. Where can people follow you? People can follow me Twitter.

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<v Speaker 6>It is hop barred H O, P B A R

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<v Speaker 6>D the Libertarian Party of Tennessee on Twitter. If you're

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<v Speaker 6>interested in getting involved with us, they can go to

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<v Speaker 6>LPTN dot org slash sign up or LPTN dot org

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<v Speaker 6>slash Convention Committee for all our convention information. Email me

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<v Speaker 6>at chair at LPTN dot org. That's about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Awesome, Thank you, just s If anybod who wants to

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<v Speaker 4>support my work at Liberty lockpot on Next subscribe there,

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<v Speaker 4>it's all because you. Thank you for continuing to support

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<v Speaker 4>back to you.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it. We're out here, peace. Welcome to Liberty Lockdown.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's can your block home you Liberty in't company, It's

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<v Speaker 1>on home. Where did it come from?

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<v Speaker 3>And where did it
