1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:05,799 Speaker 1: M M. 2 00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:17,519 Speaker 2: A wall, straight line. 3 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 3: Shackle Chaine, Oh doesome gird it's calling my name. 4 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 2: There is no mercy and it's been a tentery juice 5 00:00:36,439 --> 00:00:41,200 as the hill Stream game Wrangle three. 6 00:00:42,719 --> 00:00:47,759 Speaker 4: I'm here by me to die. 7 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 3: Inside these walls, inside the wild. 8 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:31,879 Speaker 4: And when the girls I Hey everyone, and welcome back 9 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,680 to Bloody Angola, a podcast one and forty two years 10 00:01:35,719 --> 00:01:39,599 in the making, the complete story of America's Bloodiest Present. 11 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,840 I'm Jim Chapman, and today I am bringing you a 12 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,640 story that many people requested after last week's episode. Now, 13 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,519 last week I covered this story and conviction of Charles 14 00:01:52,719 --> 00:01:56,680 Ray Spears, who was known as the Good Year Killer. Now, 15 00:01:56,799 --> 00:02:00,799 in that episode, I referenced a robbery the developed into 16 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:06,079 a murder in nearby Slidell, Louisiana, and sadly, that was 17 00:02:06,319 --> 00:02:10,240 the murder of an officer by the name of Earl Alfred. Now, 18 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,360 a lot of you reached out. You wanted to hear 19 00:02:12,599 --> 00:02:15,639 more about this case and what the result of it 20 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,360 was and learn more about Sergeant Earl Alfred. So I'm 21 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,960 going to tell you the entire story today, but before 22 00:02:23,039 --> 00:02:25,680 I do, I want to update you on some news 23 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,479 that broke just this week, and that is the capture 24 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:34,280 of Antoine Massey. He was the ninth of ten inmates 25 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,800 to escape the Orleans Paris jail. Of course, I covered 26 00:02:37,879 --> 00:02:41,360 that escape in previous episodes, and I want to quickly 27 00:02:41,479 --> 00:02:44,120 get you up to date. And I'm going to reference 28 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,520 a CNN article for this, and that CNN article reads, 29 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,960 ninth escape New Orleans inmate is captured, leaving just one 30 00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:57,800 at large. An Twine Massey, a serial escapee who vanished 31 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,879 from a New Orleans jail with nine other inmates just 32 00:03:01,039 --> 00:03:05,199 after midnight on May sixteenth, was arrested Friday afternoon in 33 00:03:05,319 --> 00:03:09,360 New Orleans. According to the Orleans Parish Sheriff's Office, the 34 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,479 last remaining escapee, Derrick Groves, is still on the run 35 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,960 after breaking out of the Orleans Justice Center in New 36 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,479 Orleans over a month ago. Massey was recently charged with 37 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:26,159 vehicle theft in domestic abuse involving strangulation. This according to 38 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,080 Orleans Parish records, The thirty three year old was captured 39 00:03:30,199 --> 00:03:34,080 in a rental property in the Hollygrove neighborhood of New Orleans. 40 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,879 And incidentally, all that's in the ninth ward and that 41 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,560 was according to Deputy US Marshall Brian Fair. He was 42 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,080 arrested just miles from the jail where Massey and other 43 00:03:45,159 --> 00:03:49,520 inmates made their brazen escape, taking advantage of bad locks, 44 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,159 stolen bedding in a hungry jail employee, and they used 45 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:57,560 electronic hair trimmers with multiple clipper blades to help cut 46 00:03:57,639 --> 00:04:00,919 their way through the cell walls. He was taken into 47 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,919 custody without incident after being surrounded on Friday afternoon, and 48 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,280 according to US marshals, it was a peaceful arrest quote 49 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,599 after receiving a tip. Follow up work was done and 50 00:04:13,719 --> 00:04:16,759 that led to the arrest today. Remember I told you 51 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:20,720 once they upped that reward to fifty grand, don't be 52 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,680 surprised if somebody turned on Massy quickly, And apparently that's 53 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:25,360 what happened. 54 00:04:25,399 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 5: Now. 55 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,759 Speaker 4: After the arrest, Massey was flown to a secure state 56 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,560 facility outside. 57 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:31,639 Speaker 1: Of the area. 58 00:04:31,879 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 4: And if you're curious what that is, folks, it's bloody Angola. 59 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,879 Massy has a long track record of escaping custody. In 60 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,000 two thousand and seven, he broke out of a New 61 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,160 Orleans juvenile detention center after being arrested on suspicion of 62 00:04:45,319 --> 00:04:49,639 armed robbery and aggravated assault. And early in June, authorities 63 00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:52,639 rated a home after a video showed a man claiming 64 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,560 to be Massy saying he was innocent. In the video, 65 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,079 the man claimed to be Massy appealed to Lil Wayne 66 00:04:59,439 --> 00:05:02,360 for help and held a document to the camera what 67 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,000 he says was a stamped affidavit that proves his innocent. 68 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,879 He also claimed his ex girlfriend Diamond White, recanted at 69 00:05:09,879 --> 00:05:13,600 her allegation of abuse in that affidavit. Groves, who was 70 00:05:13,639 --> 00:05:16,959 still at large, was convicted in October of killing two 71 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,399 people in twenty eighteen, and later pleaded guilty the battery 72 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,079 of a corrections officer. New Orleans Police Department Chief Anne 73 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:29,079 Kirkpatrick address Combs directly at a Friday news conference, saying, 74 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,319 we are going to capture you. You will be taken 75 00:05:32,399 --> 00:05:35,600 into custody, but you still have the option to peacefully 76 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,199 turn yourself in, and we will make an appeal for 77 00:05:38,319 --> 00:05:41,319 you to do so. Quote the public defender is ready 78 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,480 to meet you and be with you from the very 79 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,160 moment you choose to turn yourself in. Groves case went 80 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,600 to trial four separate times, according to the Orleans Parish 81 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,439 District Attorney's Office. They said he was determined to be 82 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,120 one of two gunmen who opened fire with an AK 83 00:05:57,399 --> 00:06:00,240 forty seven assault rifle on what should have been a 84 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:05,360 joyous Mardi Gras gathering. A woman believed to be Grove's girlfriend, 85 00:06:05,519 --> 00:06:10,319 currently Dirianna Burton, was arrested earlier in June for helping 86 00:06:10,439 --> 00:06:14,319 him escape. Allegedly, she had exchanged text messages and video 87 00:06:14,439 --> 00:06:17,720 calls with Groves in the days leading up to the escape. 88 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,079 And there is a fifty thousand dollars reward for information 89 00:06:21,319 --> 00:06:25,879 leading the Groves capture. Chief Deputy US Marshall Walter Martin said, 90 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,040 just like we found mister Massey today, we will find 91 00:06:29,079 --> 00:06:32,199 growths and we will continue our efforts. Of course, he 92 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:38,360 encouraged anyone with information about Groves whereabouts to alert authorities. Quote, 93 00:06:38,399 --> 00:06:41,720 you can remain anonymous, but we need your help. Collectively, 94 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,600 we will not rest even if it takes another six 95 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:49,160 days or six weeks until the last fugitive is in custody. 96 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:54,000 So there you have that, only one more left in 97 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:59,439 this escape saga. Now let's get into today's episode, and 98 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,079 I'm gonna start by telling you a little bit about 99 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,480 Sergeant Alfred and to say that this officer was a 100 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:11,920 trailblazer in law enforcement would be an absolute understatement. He 101 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,920 started with the slide L Police Department in nineteen seventy 102 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,839 and he was the first black officer ever hired by 103 00:07:20,959 --> 00:07:25,319 the slide L Police Department. He was born in nineteen forty. 104 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,839 He grew up in Louisiana and it was there you 105 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,079 could say that he developed a very strong sense of 106 00:07:32,279 --> 00:07:36,720 community and service which led him into law enforcement. He 107 00:07:36,839 --> 00:07:39,680 had served in the US Army, and of course that 108 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:44,839 develops his sense of duty and discipline that you can 109 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,319 really only get from the military, and it certainly prepared 110 00:07:48,439 --> 00:07:52,360 him for the challenges he would face later on as 111 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,360 a police officer. This was a very formative time in 112 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,639 his life and it really shaped everything you would look 113 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,800 for in a police officer, such as leader, skip skills, commitment, 114 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,160 and one of the most important qualities to have as 115 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,319 an officer is the ability to remain calm under pressure. 116 00:08:12,439 --> 00:08:17,120 All of this gets developed in the military. Now, as 117 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,480 I just mentioned, he was the first black police officer 118 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:24,879 hired in slide L. And look, this is nineteen seventy, 119 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,759 the height of racial tension, and when you're the first 120 00:08:29,079 --> 00:08:33,679 black officer on a predominantly white police force during that time, 121 00:08:33,879 --> 00:08:37,679 it's I'm sure not without its challenges, and it took 122 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:42,519 someone like Officer Alfred to really step into that type 123 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,000 of role during that time in history. He had a 124 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:51,039 very approachable demeanor, He was dedicated to his job and 125 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,919 he was flat out beloved. As a matter of fact, 126 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,960 he earned a nickname throughout the community and that nickname 127 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,519 was off Sir Friendly. 128 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 5: Now. 129 00:09:01,919 --> 00:09:05,639 Speaker 4: Throughout his career with the Slightel Police Department that started 130 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:10,480 in nineteen seventy, he demonstrated exceptional dedication to his duties. 131 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,480 He had a deep commitment to the safety and well 132 00:09:13,639 --> 00:09:17,000 being of the community, which is very important. And it 133 00:09:17,279 --> 00:09:21,279 wasn't long before he was promoted to the rank of 134 00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:25,039 sergeant and that's really a testament to not only his 135 00:09:25,279 --> 00:09:29,960 leadership skills, but his effectiveness as a police officer. Sergeant 136 00:09:30,039 --> 00:09:34,840 Alfred was particularly known for his ability to be proactive 137 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,399 in policing. He would engage with the community frequently and 138 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,960 he would really work to bridge the gap right between 139 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:49,399 police and the public. His personal life was no different. 140 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,679 He was in a lovely marriage. He and his wife 141 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,480 had adopted a daughter and this was a big source 142 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,200 of pride for him. He was all about family, which 143 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:04,039 really spoke to me because in his line of work, 144 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,879 it's not easy to maintain a productive, healthy personal life. 145 00:10:08,919 --> 00:10:11,840 I mean, police officers, they see the worst of people 146 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,840 a lot of the time. Yet he seemed to thrive 147 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:20,240 in both of these areas, both professionally and personally, so 148 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,200 all seem well in the world. On August thirteenth of 149 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,720 nineteen seventy five, when at approximately eight o'clock am, he 150 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,519 responds to a silent alarm at the Champagne Jewelry Store 151 00:10:33,759 --> 00:10:38,320 in Slidedale, Louisiana. In this alarm, it was directly linked 152 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,159 to the Slidel Police Department, so the response was quick 153 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:46,960 between when Sergeant Alfred received this notification, if you will, 154 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,120 that the silent alarm had been triggered at the Champagne 155 00:10:51,639 --> 00:10:53,919 Jewelry store. And I'm going to take you back to 156 00:10:54,159 --> 00:10:57,720 just prior to the triggering of that alarm, and I'm 157 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,480 going to tell you what was going on that Sergeant 158 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,559 Alfred had no idea what he was walking into. So 159 00:11:06,799 --> 00:11:10,200 a twenty six year old male suspect, he enters that 160 00:11:10,399 --> 00:11:14,720 store and he tells the twenty year old employee, her 161 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,559 name was Betty Graves, that he was there to pick 162 00:11:17,639 --> 00:11:21,559 up a ring. So missus Graves, she opens the safe 163 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,799 and she grabs like that tray of rings, and as 164 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,960 soon as she swings back around, she realizes that this 165 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,000 suspect has went behind the counter and he's armed. He 166 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,200 has a twenty two caliber handgun as well as a 167 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:40,960 pair of scissors. He grabs her and he starts dragging 168 00:11:41,039 --> 00:11:44,360 her to the back room, and as he's dragging her 169 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,759 to the back room, he is wailing on her with 170 00:11:46,919 --> 00:11:50,519 those scissors, stabbing her over and over again, as well 171 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,200 as choking her because he's pulling her by the neck. Now, 172 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,159 eventually he lets her go and she just kind of 173 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,480 falls to the floor. She had been stabbed twenty two 174 00:12:03,639 --> 00:12:07,960 times with those scissors just all over her body. Now, 175 00:12:08,039 --> 00:12:11,200 at this point, the suspect takes a bunch of those 176 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,840 rings and jewelry, and it was estimated later to be 177 00:12:14,879 --> 00:12:18,840 about five thousand dollars total, which this is nineteen seventy 178 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,200 it's probably worth five times that in today's money. At 179 00:12:23,279 --> 00:12:26,840 that point, the suspect goes out the front door, and 180 00:12:26,919 --> 00:12:31,159 according to missus Graves, she heard the word halt, and 181 00:12:31,279 --> 00:12:35,639 then she heard a gunshot and then silence, and then 182 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,919 several more shots and I want to say something at 183 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:44,679 this point. I referred to several newspaper articles during that time, 184 00:12:44,919 --> 00:12:46,960 and some of these say he went out the front door. 185 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,360 Some of these say he went out the back door. 186 00:12:49,639 --> 00:12:52,679 It's really irrelevant. He went out of a door. He 187 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:56,120 went through one of those doors, and that is when 188 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,000 he was approached by Sergeant Earl Alfred, who was responded 189 00:13:00,399 --> 00:13:05,120 to that silent alarm. According to the Louisiana Weekly, Sergeant 190 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:10,600 Alfred apprehended the robber in the driveway behind that jewelry store, 191 00:13:11,159 --> 00:13:15,159 and after relieving the suspect of his pistol, which Sergeant 192 00:13:15,279 --> 00:13:19,320 Alfred put in his pocket, he attempted to put handcuffs 193 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:24,279 on the suspect. Now, as any police officer will tell you, 194 00:13:25,159 --> 00:13:27,679 when you pull the handcuffs out and you click that 195 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:32,519 first handcuff on, suspects freak out. They realize that shit 196 00:13:32,759 --> 00:13:36,960 just got real, right and that's what happened here, and 197 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:41,159 they get into a major scuffle. It was during that 198 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,440 scuffle that Sergeant Alfred's gun falls out of his holster. 199 00:13:45,879 --> 00:13:48,799 Somehow this suspect managed to pick it up and he 200 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:55,879 shoots Alfred and kills this amazing officer. So back inside 201 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,679 the jewelry store, Miss Betty Graves. She hears the gunshots, 202 00:14:00,759 --> 00:14:05,240 and this amazing lady somehow manages to crawl out the 203 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:10,559 front door with twenty two stab wounds from those scissors, 204 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:17,360 and she gets Sergeant Alfred's radio and essentially calls for backup. 205 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,320 And again there are some conflicting reports. There are some 206 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,879 people that reported that she attempted to call for backup, 207 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,799 but she passed out before she was able to get 208 00:14:27,879 --> 00:14:31,639 the CB up to her mouth to call for the backup. 209 00:14:31,879 --> 00:14:34,200 And then there's other reports that say she was actually 210 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,639 able to call for backup, and what she said was 211 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,919 please get help. I'm bleeding to death. I'm gonna say 212 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,000 she called for backup. Now, I'm gonna paint a picture 213 00:14:43,679 --> 00:14:46,639 for you of how confusing this stuff got back then 214 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,960 when they're reporting news, and how crazy the news had 215 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,039 gotten when something like this happened. There are articles all 216 00:14:54,159 --> 00:14:57,399 over the place from this incident from newspapers, which is 217 00:14:57,519 --> 00:15:00,960 what I referred to, and all of them had different information. 218 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:05,440 Some said she was eighteen, some said Miss Grays was nineteen. 219 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,600 Of course, I told you, they can't agree on whether 220 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,480 she called for backup, et cetera. And that was a 221 00:15:11,679 --> 00:15:15,679 product of everybody being in a rush to report this story. 222 00:15:15,799 --> 00:15:19,759 This was before social media, and it was a race 223 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,000 at that time to get that breaking news out, and 224 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,679 they just didn't get it right a lot of the outlets. 225 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,960 But regardless of all that, this happened in broad daylight, 226 00:15:30,639 --> 00:15:33,399 that we know for sure, and there were a few 227 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:36,960 witnesses to this that would come into play later. Now, 228 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,879 immediately following the incident, of course, police officers shot all 229 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,039 hands on deck. Right when something like that occurs, they're 230 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:50,240 shutting down the city, they're forming a perimeter. Apbs are 231 00:15:50,279 --> 00:15:53,559 put out, and they had a description from witnesses of 232 00:15:53,639 --> 00:15:58,759 a truck which was a black and white seventies model 233 00:15:59,279 --> 00:16:03,000 Chevrolet or similar. They set up roadblocks. They're looking for 234 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,799 this truck, but nothing panned out and it seemed like 235 00:16:06,919 --> 00:16:10,080 the suspect was able to get away. Now, shortly after that, 236 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,120 mere days, as a matter of fact, a man goes 237 00:16:13,279 --> 00:16:17,000 into the slide L Police department and he basically said 238 00:16:17,039 --> 00:16:20,480 he had some concerns. He said the vehicle that the 239 00:16:20,639 --> 00:16:24,320 assailant who shot this officer in looked like his vehicle, 240 00:16:24,919 --> 00:16:27,879 and the composite sketch that they were able to get 241 00:16:28,279 --> 00:16:32,960 from miss Betty looked like him, and he was concerned 242 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,440 because he didn't want people to think that was him. 243 00:16:35,679 --> 00:16:38,080 And he was the one who killed this officer and 244 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,240 he was there to essentially clear his name. And this 245 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,240 guy's name was David E. Lewis. Now, of course, the 246 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,080 slide L Police department, they're like, this doesn't seem right. 247 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,399 So the officer on duty he tells the defendant that, hey, 248 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,840 if he wanted to talk about this, they need to 249 00:16:55,919 --> 00:16:59,960 read him his Mariderites, which they did, and he said, 250 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,919 you're not under arrest. You can leave any time you 251 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:06,960 want to do so. And at that point Lewis says again, hey, 252 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:09,680 I'm just here to clear my name of any suspicion 253 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,839 and I'm willing to answer any questions that you have. 254 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,559 So they bring Louis into the interrogation room. And it's 255 00:17:16,599 --> 00:17:20,599 also worth noting his mom was with him at this point. 256 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,079 She went with him to the police department and they 257 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,599 leave her out front and the police go in there 258 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:29,839 and they ask him if he wants anything. He asked 259 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,759 for some coffee. He actually asked for some candy and 260 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,519 some water, so they go get that stuff for him, 261 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,440 and they never handcuffed him. They didn't shackle him, his 262 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,680 movement was not restricted anything like that. He wasn't under arrest. 263 00:17:43,839 --> 00:17:47,000 But most importantly, they didn't want to do anything to 264 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,759 make this guy feel like he was under arrest. But 265 00:17:49,839 --> 00:17:53,039 they had a good suspicion that he had something to 266 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,799 do with this, and it was at this point that 267 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,759 they even went as far as to contact the district 268 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,839 Attorney and asked him to come to the police station 269 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,759 because they wanted him to oversee that interrogation and make 270 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,960 sure they weren't doing anything out of line, because the 271 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,720 last thing that they wanted to do is find out 272 00:18:14,839 --> 00:18:17,319 that this guy indeed had something to do with it, 273 00:18:17,519 --> 00:18:20,799 and they did something to screw up the confession and 274 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,359 the whole case gets thrown out because the law wasn't followed. 275 00:18:24,559 --> 00:18:28,079 So the DA gets there and he even asked Lewis 276 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,599 if he had been mistreated, and Lewis said no, he 277 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,680 had no complaints and all was good. So at this time, 278 00:18:34,839 --> 00:18:37,559 a man by the name of Lieutenant Humphrey, he was 279 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:42,440 the head of the Criminal Investigations Division for Slidel. He 280 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,880 wanted to assign who he would consider to be the 281 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,480 best person to question Lewis, and he chooses an officer 282 00:18:50,599 --> 00:18:54,400 by the name of Officer Penton, and the reason he 283 00:18:54,599 --> 00:18:57,240 chose that officer was not only was he the most 284 00:18:57,319 --> 00:19:01,279 experienced officer in the department, but he was also the 285 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,359 oldest officer in the department, and he felt like the 286 00:19:05,559 --> 00:19:09,759 age difference between Lewis and this officer would put Lewis 287 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,400 more at ease, he wouldn't feel as intimidated. So Officer 288 00:19:13,519 --> 00:19:17,200 Penton he goes into the room alone to question Lewis, 289 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,599 and he gets what officers would refer to as the 290 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:28,079 juice out of this guy. Lewis eventually sings like a canary. 291 00:19:28,519 --> 00:19:32,640 He confesses not only do this, but he tells Officer 292 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:36,640 Pentton where they can find the murder weapon, which was 293 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:42,480 incidentally Officer Friendly's own gun, and he also tells them 294 00:19:42,519 --> 00:19:45,519 where they can find the jewelry and clothing that he 295 00:19:45,599 --> 00:19:48,440 had worn, and they were in a woody area near 296 00:19:48,599 --> 00:19:52,319 where Lewis lived. He then signs what's known as a 297 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,680 waiver of rights and the officers go and they recover 298 00:19:55,839 --> 00:19:59,039 this physical evidence, which once they recovered that there's no 299 00:19:59,279 --> 00:20:02,680 dispute that he did this murder, and he did request 300 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:05,440 to speak to his mother, which they allowed him to do, 301 00:20:05,599 --> 00:20:08,480 and I guess he tells her goodbye because he just 302 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,359 confessed to the murder of a police officer and the 303 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,759 attempted murder of a twenty year old Miss Betty Graves. 304 00:20:16,319 --> 00:20:19,519 So the ensuing weeks, of course, as you would expect, 305 00:20:19,599 --> 00:20:23,200 the slide L community really gets behind the family of 306 00:20:23,279 --> 00:20:26,319 this officer. As I said, he was very beloved, and 307 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,160 they do everything they can to help. And it wasn't 308 00:20:29,319 --> 00:20:32,599 long after that that the city of Slidel they really 309 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,799 gave the ultimate honor for this slain officer when they 310 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,480 renamed third Street in Slydel, which is kind of a 311 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:45,119 main artery through that city, they renamed that Sergeant Earl 312 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,799 Alfred Drive. And then just shortly after that, the indictments 313 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:54,440 are returned from a Saint Tammany Parish grand jury against 314 00:20:54,599 --> 00:20:58,759 David Eugene Lewis from the murder of Earl Alfred and 315 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,519 the attempted murder of Miss Betty. And it was on 316 00:21:01,759 --> 00:21:05,440 June twenty third, nineteen seventy six, a little less than 317 00:21:05,519 --> 00:21:09,799 a year later, that a guilty verdict is returned in 318 00:21:10,039 --> 00:21:15,759 that murder of Sergeant Alfred. And you might wonder, well, 319 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,640 if he confessed, why did they even have to get 320 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,759 a trial, and obviously that's not the way that worked. 321 00:21:22,839 --> 00:21:26,480 Of Course, an attorney eventually gets a halt to this guy, 322 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,039 and in this case, he knew Lewis had nothing to 323 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,799 lose and we're going to get a trial, and that's 324 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,279 exactly what they did. And some things that occurred during 325 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:41,720 that trial. Lewis actually stated that yes, he signed a confession. However, 326 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,680 he was promised a light sentence if he signed that confession. 327 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,279 You got to be a freaking moron to think if 328 00:21:48,319 --> 00:21:50,359 you're going to kill a police officer, you're going to 329 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,480 get a light sentence. Also, in the trial, the physical 330 00:21:53,599 --> 00:21:57,880 evidence came out, including forensic evidence that was recovered at 331 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,319 the scene that he told them where it was. Of course, 332 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,000 miss Betty Graves, she was the star witness of this trial. 333 00:22:04,279 --> 00:22:08,359 She survived despite those twenty two stab wounds. She testified. 334 00:22:08,519 --> 00:22:11,119 And another thing that was strange to me, Lewis actually 335 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,559 even tried to claim during the trial that he was 336 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,920 outside of the store, that he never went inside and 337 00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:20,319 some guy he only knew is Mackie, was the one 338 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,839 inside the store and that was the one that killed 339 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:28,599 officer Friendly. Again title bullshit, right. The jury only deliberated 340 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,200 for about four hours before handing down the guilty verdict, 341 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,039 and he gets sentenced, And in this case, he gets 342 00:22:36,079 --> 00:22:40,200 sentenced to life in prison with no possibility of parole. 343 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,279 What I didn't tell you was there was a separate 344 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,920 trial that took place in between the time he committed 345 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,960 this crime and when he was convicted. In the trial, 346 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,200 Lewis was actually charged with second degree murdered times two 347 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,680 counts in some other cases that took place in New Orleans. 348 00:23:00,759 --> 00:23:03,279 One of those crimes involved shooting a man in the 349 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,799 back seven times with a twenty two caliber pistol were 350 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,680 resulting in his death. And another charge involved an individual 351 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,799 named Larry Bemwaugh who was shot in the throat with 352 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,279 a thirty eight caliber pistol during what was similar to 353 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,279 a gang shooting. It was over drugs of some sort. Now, 354 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,680 in those trials, Lewis was acquitted of the first charge 355 00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:29,559 and he was found guilty in the charge of shooting 356 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,480 Larry Bemwaugh in the throat with that thirty eight revolver. 357 00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:36,799 So at this point in time, the guy has a 358 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,880 sentence of life plus thirty years essentially, so it's off 359 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,880 to spend the rest of his life in jail right, well, 360 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:50,000 not exactly. Believe it or not, this cop killer and 361 00:23:50,759 --> 00:23:55,200 murderer of at least one other person, possibly two, he escapes, 362 00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:58,359 and how he escaped is a pretty wild story. He 363 00:23:58,519 --> 00:24:01,559 was actually in the hospital at the time. He had 364 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,920 underwent a kidney surgery of some sort, and while he 365 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,119 was recovering in the hospital, which was Charity Hospital in 366 00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:14,480 New Orleans, he somehow just walks out the front door 367 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,160 and he was captured. I can't get the exact time 368 00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:21,319 that he was on the run, but more than a 369 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,160 few days, less than a month. It just basically says 370 00:24:24,279 --> 00:24:28,920 several weeks, and he was recaptured near the Mississippi state line. 371 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:32,720 But here's the crazy thing. The police had a roadblock 372 00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:38,079 set up for something in someone completely different, nothing to 373 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:43,640 do with Lewis. And David Lewis and a female who 374 00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:47,480 I'm assuming was his girlfriend. They're driving down the road, 375 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,519 old country road, and they see this roadblock set up 376 00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:54,680 and they turn around in the middle of the road. Well, 377 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,000 what do you think the police. 378 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: Are going to do? 379 00:24:56,519 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 4: They see them turn around, and several of these year 380 00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:04,079 they start chasing that vehicle and they pull it over 381 00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:09,119 and get this Lewis gets out of the car and 382 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,400 he starts struggling with these police officers. He almost gets 383 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,559 his hand on one of the officers shot guns, but 384 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,319 they were able to subdue him while he was fighting 385 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,119 to get this gun, and he was taken into custody 386 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,359 yet again. And there's no doubt that he would have 387 00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:32,000 killed another officer as quick as blank if he could 388 00:25:32,039 --> 00:25:35,119 have got his hands on that gun. So at this point, 389 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:40,200 it's off to bloody Angola for this guy to spend 390 00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:44,240 the rest of his life right, no chance of parole anything. Well, 391 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:50,720 not so fast. In twenty twenty four, David Eugene Lewis, 392 00:25:50,759 --> 00:25:54,640 he gets a shot at clemency and I have that 393 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,000 parole hearing and you need to hear it. I have 394 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,759 the clip for that. It's around two twenty minutes long, 395 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,559 but it's very interesting. A lot of people speak at 396 00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:08,000 this parole hearing against his release, including the slide L 397 00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:12,319 Police Department, the former mayor of slide L and others 398 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,640 including Lewis. And I'm gonna play that you're gonna find 399 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:22,119 out in this clip if this guy actually gets released. 400 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:23,359 Here's that clip. 401 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,759 Speaker 5: We're gonna have your case, mister Lewis. We're going to 402 00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:30,160 do several things here. First off, we're gonna hear from 403 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,680 you what you have to say about this particular incident 404 00:26:35,079 --> 00:26:38,240 and what you've been doing since this incident. And then 405 00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:42,119 we're going to ask the warden or the assistant warden 406 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,799 to tell us what kind of an inmate that you 407 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,319 have been. Then we will go and we'll have some 408 00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:52,880 folks that are here in present that want to that 409 00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:59,839 are going to speak in opposition of this hearing. And 410 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,920 then we will have a chance for us as the board. 411 00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:06,160 We'll ask you questions and then we will have a 412 00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:09,759 vote that will be taken. So first off, let's go 413 00:27:09,799 --> 00:27:12,599 ahead and get started with you and tell us. Tell 414 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,160 us what you think about the crime and what you've 415 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,200 been doing since the crime was committed, and why should 416 00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:21,440 we grant you your request to that. 417 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm guilty for what I'm charged with. Oh, and 418 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:42,799 I'm very sorry about what happened, about what I did. H. 419 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,319 It hurts me to think about him. I've been about 420 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:57,119 forty nine years now and I still not able to 421 00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:00,640 come the we at what I did. 422 00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 5: Oh. 423 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: I realized that through taking these courses a victim awareness death, 424 00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:15,559 it made me aware of the extreme hurt and pain 425 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:20,680 that I have caused the victims and the victims family, 426 00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:25,720 and I never had taken that under considered raising during 427 00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:34,079 the time I was committing committing the offense. I'm really 428 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:41,839 sorry for what I did. M It hurts me deep 429 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:42,759 down their side for. 430 00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 5: What I did. 431 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:54,359 Speaker 1: And knowing how much hurt and of course the victims 432 00:28:54,480 --> 00:29:02,400 in all sort of family, I'm just hoping that they'll 433 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,200 be able too to care over what over what I did. 434 00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:25,200 I spend here, I hurry behind it. I take it 435 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:33,519 really real. I take all the responsibility for h and 436 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,039 which say it never happened. 437 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 5: Yes, all right? Uh, warden, what's what kind of endmce 438 00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:49,759 is mister Lewis Ben Miss. 439 00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:52,759 Speaker 6: Lewis only had a total of ten dB reports since 440 00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:55,079 he'd been here, the last being in twenty twenty two 441 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,480 for a root for disobedience, which is a low court here. 442 00:29:59,279 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 5: Uh. 443 00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 6: He also have taken anger management one hundred dollars, victim 444 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,160 awareness and he did the victim. 445 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 7: Awareness letter training his tiger is low. 446 00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 3: Uh. 447 00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:14,759 Speaker 6: Missus Lewis also UH the TAY test several times trying 448 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,519 to get his ged. The highest level he got was 449 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,519 and there was no other records of educational programs. 450 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 5: Here he couldn't. Did you get the gen I guess 451 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,160 we pad of learning the disabilities? Uh, sir, Other than 452 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,680 that I have anything? Okay, thank you? 453 00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:37,079 Speaker 8: Well give me. 454 00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: A ya. I finished high school? 455 00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 5: Oh? Okay, say you finished high school? 456 00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: I got I am displomal? Yeah? 457 00:30:50,079 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 5: Okay? 458 00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 8: Where did you finish high school? 459 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:53,559 Speaker 5: How did you take that? 460 00:30:56,079 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: Very far? 461 00:30:57,519 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 8: Where was that you finished? 462 00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 5: Thanks? 463 00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: You know State Taming Parish, State Chaman of high School 464 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,319 and Stay Family Parish. 465 00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 5: Okay, all right, okay, we'll hear now from uh, let's see, 466 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,960 let's hear from Butch Wilson a DA and sant Tamnedy Parish. 467 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 8: This attorney dollars? 468 00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:26,599 Speaker 5: Is he here, Chris Wilson, Yes, sir, thank you, Thank you. 469 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:35,799 Speaker 9: Unless members of the boards think that we need to 470 00:31:35,799 --> 00:31:39,440 go through a factual citation, I don't think I need 471 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:46,279 to do that because I'm sure where I will say 472 00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:48,480 that I've discussed the facts of this case with the 473 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,200 with the district attorney. 474 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:51,039 Speaker 10: And. 475 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 11: Both of us are somewhat of the belief that over 476 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,799 the period of time that mister Lewis Is been in jail, 477 00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:06,440 that given what had happened since he was convicted, with 478 00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:08,599 the escape that I'm sure you all are all aware 479 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:13,279 of the attempt of disarming of second police officer during 480 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,000 the escape. 481 00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:18,559 Speaker 8: That we believe that at some point his real regret 482 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:19,319 must have been. 483 00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 9: Not finishing what he had started with the clerk and 484 00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:24,920 not taking the time to kill the truck dropper, because 485 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,119 if you've read the facts in this case, those were 486 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,279 the only two witnesses that could connect him. 487 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:29,839 Speaker 1: To this murder. 488 00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 9: Thank god that didn't happen, because that was the only way. 489 00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:38,680 If the truck driver, mister Smith hadn't been there to 490 00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:40,920 see the vehicle he was driving, he would have gotten 491 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,960 away with it. He would have Miss Graves can't even 492 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,119 be here today because she can't go through this situation anymore. 493 00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:52,680 She can't relive this. It's still with hers, she still 494 00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:57,960 has the stars all over her body. On behalf of 495 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,039 the Saya louisianaic or the oppositely Charny. We asked that 496 00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:05,319 you honor the memory starting Alfred and the pain that 497 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,160 this race has gone through, and deny Cleton seeings. 498 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 5: Thank you, thanks you, sir, appreciate you being here, the 499 00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:18,720 trouble to get here and your words will take anythings 500 00:33:18,839 --> 00:33:24,319 good consideration. Mister friend and Freddy Dinnon and the slide 501 00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:26,680 down police forward that I say, you're right on here, sir, 502 00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:30,000 are you the are you the man or. 503 00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:34,519 Speaker 12: Perd time that you feels occurred in all with newmployer 504 00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:37,799 by the same time, Office, I would want to investigator 505 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:38,680 to that. 506 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 5: Now will be about to get a come over. I 507 00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:44,680 will presently the driver toarment. It didn't work. 508 00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 12: Achieve sure office and Popabi congratulations good uh as I said, 509 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,039 I would want to investigators evolve investigator do your. 510 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 10: Ear Alfred very well. I work with r was the 511 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:06,480 first African American going for the body. I worked for 512 00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:08,920 the years, all working back and forth with the city. 513 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,760 We have a bread, dear, and did the market boat 514 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,880 giving moved. I did not know Marry Hodge at the time. 515 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,400 Get her and I've got to know her sin and 516 00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:24,519 she said, oh, softly, tramatically wrong. 517 00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: You know. 518 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,159 Speaker 5: It just couldn't get on the ding of the land. 519 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:34,679 Speaker 8: With the versy. 520 00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 10: Here is someone, in my opinion, something round where he 521 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,320 gives but the offenses it to get a herd. 522 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 8: He did it and she admitted to and. 523 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 10: Uh uh eighty part of the board forgiving me was 524 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,400 going to rest my cinion about it, and I'll appreciate 525 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,000 what you're doing. 526 00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,119 Speaker 5: Thank you, sir, I appreciate your time, and we'll take 527 00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:59,920 your remarks in the consideration. Jay brad Clark with the 528 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,679 the Attorney General's Office. 529 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 9: About running your own be happy at twenty feeneral laws. 530 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 10: Just a few recomminates on these cases. 531 00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 13: I've noticed that in the sort of most statement he 532 00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:20,599 said that he takes responsibility in this case, and there 533 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:25,719 was an awful appetake responsibility. They comb set twenty few times. 534 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,039 Given strang police officer murdered in the line of duty 535 00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:34,039 and escape and then the attempt to disarmed and murder 536 00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:40,679 a second wood soficer. These are extraordinary facts. These are 537 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:46,559 fenus facts. These are Themis proms With supposed was given 538 00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:52,719 a life sentence given the fact of the extreme mansure 539 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:58,280 of these jises, the fact the younger cultes you could 540 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,119 still be felt by and survive and get them to 541 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:06,199 the stick. Attorney General's Office would ask the sport to 542 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,239 the dye pletancy. 543 00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 9: It's the life sentence in this matter. He's the appropriate 544 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,559 and just simmence. 545 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 14: That was. 546 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,760 Speaker 5: Thank you, sir, appreciate your time and and we'll take 547 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,960 your remarks consideration. Okay, As we normally do, each board 548 00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:26,639 member is supplied all of the reports and we read 549 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,800 them all I can tell you that's the truth. And uh. 550 00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:33,760 And then we have one particular board member that conducts 551 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,960 the questioning for us. In this particular case, it's mister 552 00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:48,239 Chucky Tellis. Oh, I'm sorry that okay, okay, all right, sar, yes, sir, 553 00:36:48,679 --> 00:36:51,079 would you please introduce yourself. It's not on my sheet 554 00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:55,000 here and uh and I apologize to that. 555 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 9: One of the bar on board for allow us to 556 00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:59,119 come to sweep there. 557 00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 14: I'm read, I'm checking the police in at the city 558 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:04,559 slide represented the slide of Land City. I'm gonna give 559 00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:06,880 you a little bit different perspectives from my point of view. 560 00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:10,559 I was fifteen years old in the sent This affected 561 00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:16,360 our community definitely have started all Alfred, he said, work 562 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,199 a school crossing guard and I was one of the 563 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,719 kids that he used to not across the street. So 564 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,960 this was kind a profound effect on our family, our community. 565 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:32,039 And now I've been dedicating my life. It's a law 566 00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:34,519 enforcement I've been in law enforcement now forty four years 567 00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:38,679 this year, work myself up to the chief of police. 568 00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:42,239 And you're asking you. It's a representati of the silence. 569 00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:45,679 Please see to this man's mens for us, and it's 570 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:46,960 like in prison. 571 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you, chief. We appreciate your words. And 572 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,639 I guess for did not recognizing you and and is 573 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:56,320 it the captain? 574 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: And that's with you? 575 00:37:58,039 --> 00:37:58,760 Speaker 8: Who are you, sir? 576 00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 5: I'm a captain strut NICKI okay, well sorry, thank you, 577 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,480 appreciate you men here, thank you the time to get here. Yes, 578 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,079 all right, we'll go back to mister Tillis. Now do 579 00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:12,039 you have any uh any questions? 580 00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 1: Yes? 581 00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:14,199 Speaker 8: Are you doing? Mister Lewis? 582 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 1: All right? So you're as right? 583 00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:24,280 Speaker 8: I thought I heard the warden say twenty two. Is 584 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:24,840 that correct? 585 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:25,039 Speaker 1: No? 586 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:36,039 Speaker 7: His last reputement in twenty twenty two, two thousand and two. 587 00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:38,039 Speaker 8: I'm sorry, yeah, that's when I. 588 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 5: Reports though. 589 00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I see it was two thousand and two. 590 00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 5: Oh. 591 00:38:52,320 --> 00:39:00,519 Speaker 8: So you've been trying to rehabilitate yourself, yes, sir, all right, yeah, 592 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:10,159 and I see you are remorseful, yes, sir, O OK. 593 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,280 Speaker 1: It affects me what I did a great deal. I 594 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,599 have a malior too. We outtain any clarity with him. 595 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,199 It hurts what I did. How long have you been 596 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:29,480 incarcerated h since August thirteen, nineteen seventy five. 597 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 8: Yeah, I've read your case several times, like, uh, do 598 00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:43,760 you have anything you want to say about it other 599 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:44,559 than what you've said. 600 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: M's all right, But what I did, I've taken them 601 00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:58,159 shelf help courses to try to come in some claerity 602 00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:05,760 of body. Okay, understand, Thank you, sir, Thank you. 603 00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:07,599 Speaker 8: Good question. 604 00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 5: Is that any questions? 605 00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:14,760 Speaker 7: Yes, sir, I would just like to make a statement 606 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,239 that follows up on the people who spoke to you today. 607 00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:21,360 I'm really in agreement with the things that they said, 608 00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:27,599 that it's hard and twenty two stab wounds of the 609 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,000 kind of things that you can't you can't take back, 610 00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:34,000 you can't undo. And of course we had a member 611 00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:38,800 of law enforcement that were just murdered. Yes, one of 612 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:44,719 the things that happens is something like that is people say, 613 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,519 I can't take it back, I can't undo it. They 614 00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:50,039 can't feel the empty arms that don't come home in 615 00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:52,119 the evening, that you're able to hug that son of 616 00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:54,800 the human parts of it, that if you put the 617 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,480 human being in the perspective of it, that that I 618 00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:02,280 mean I I had friends that had this happen to them. 619 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,400 And they said they looked at the clob and said, oh, 620 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,599 it's four o'clock. Let me get up and start fixing 621 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,440 suffer and that person. Then they realize they're not coming 622 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,719 home for supper. So I'm sure you learned all of 623 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:19,119 that in victims awareness, but that's the rest of their life. 624 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 8: So I do agree with. 625 00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:25,880 Speaker 7: What I've heard from the colleagues of this man and 626 00:41:26,039 --> 00:41:31,840 the people that represent the state and the community. The 627 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,800 damage that was done was hainous. 628 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,360 Speaker 8: Thanks, thank you, Come ang. 629 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,800 Speaker 5: Okay, I don't have any questions. 630 00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:49,360 Speaker 8: Ready to vote. Okay, what would be to deny? Okay, 631 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:50,480 it's sables. 632 00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:53,280 Speaker 7: My vote is to deny based on the hainous nature 633 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:54,599 of your multiple primes. 634 00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:55,360 Speaker 1: Okay. 635 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,840 Speaker 9: I like to thank everyone that showed up here today, 636 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,480 and my vote is also to deny. 637 00:42:02,679 --> 00:42:03,800 Speaker 8: I concur with the panel. 638 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,840 Speaker 5: My voted to deny, and so I'm telling you that 639 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,960 our pure requestion dated been denied, sir, and continue to 640 00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:15,639 go to Betty you say. 641 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,320 Speaker 4: So, there you have it. Thankfully, the board ruled not 642 00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:26,320 to give clemency to Lewis, and Lewis well remained behind bars, 643 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,079 it seems, hopefully for the rest of his life. And hey, 644 00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:32,360 he's old. He's an old man now, although he looked 645 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:37,639 very in shape, he's been in jail fifty years. And 646 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:42,639 it's my opinion, you kill a police officer in particular, Really, 647 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,480 if you kill anybody, in my opinion, you don't need 648 00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:48,199 to be running free. But if you kill a police officer, 649 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,920 you should never even get a shot at anything. No parole, 650 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,639 no clemency, no nothing. That's my opinion on it. And 651 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,360 in this case, it looks like this was his one 652 00:42:58,519 --> 00:43:02,480 and only in last shot. Maybe he does regret everything, 653 00:43:03,079 --> 00:43:06,039 like he said in that hearing you just heard. I mean, 654 00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:10,280 I'm sure everybody who has to spend fifty years in 655 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,159 prison regrets what they've done in which they wouldn't have 656 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,199 done it. But you know what they say, don't do 657 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,559 the crime if you can't do the time. Thank you 658 00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:25,800 so much for listening. Check out the Patreon for commercial, 659 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,039 free early releases. I'm going to start putting a lot 660 00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:33,880 more on their patreon dot com slash Bloody in Gola 661 00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:39,360 podcast and until next time, I'm Jim Chapman, your host 662 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,039 of Bloody Inngola, a podcast one hundred and forty two 663 00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:47,079 years in the making, the complete story of America's bloodiest prison. 664 00:43:47,920 --> 00:44:13,199 Speaker 3: Peace h I walk straight line, shackle change. Oh weesome, Girdie, 665 00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:21,559 it's calling my name. There is no mercy and it's 666 00:44:21,679 --> 00:44:29,480 been a tentery juice as the huge stream game wrangler. 667 00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:32,880 Speaker 5: Three. I'm here but. 668 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,079 Speaker 4: By mere to die. 669 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,599 Speaker 3: Inside these walls, inside the wild. 670 00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:50,199 Speaker 1: And when the girls I know, it's so. 671 00:44:55,559 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 2: Moody, angle body all