Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the
Speaker 1: Poker Go over Go Podcast. My name is Donny Peters.
Speaker 1: His name is Tim Duckworth. How are you good?
Speaker 2: Great?
Speaker 1: Another new setting for the podcast right in front of
Speaker 1: this lovely led screen. Just wrapped up the PGT true
Speaker 1: classic Rags, two riches, not really an agenda on today's show.
Speaker 1: Last time, we talked about how we wanted to hit
Speaker 1: on some stuff before we were abruptly kicked out of
Speaker 1: our studio. But we'll hit on some of those topics.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, kind of unprepared, kind of just
Speaker 1: going to be firing from the hip. But maybe that'll
Speaker 1: produce a good show.
Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll see.
Speaker 1: We'll let producer rich Ryan tell us if this was
Speaker 1: good or bad, and then we're gonnajus going forward. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how's that sound to you?
Speaker 3: Good for me?
Speaker 1: You're not very lively today. Not enough coffee today, not
Speaker 1: enough coffee, And I tried to get you to go
Speaker 1: get more coffee, and you're like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: So that's probably my fault, that's what I'm.
Speaker 1: Probably your coke. It is Friday, December fifth, It is
Speaker 1: six eleven pm. And because it is Friday, December fifth,
Speaker 1: you've got a few days left to head on over
Speaker 1: to play poker Go. Play poker go dot com. You
Speaker 1: can also download it to your iOS device, to your
Speaker 1: Android device. All you gotta do sign up for a
Speaker 1: free account, play a free hand, one single hand of
Speaker 1: Allline poker. It's free, and do that before December tenth
Speaker 1: so you can get automatically entered to win a dream
Speaker 1: seat into the PGT Million Dollar Championship. That drawing is
Speaker 1: going to happen on December eleventh, So you got a
Speaker 1: couple of days left to get in there, play that freehand,
Speaker 1: and then hopefully you're coming out here to Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: to the pork Gro Studio and competing in that event.
Speaker 1: First place is going to be five hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: The top six are going to pay out. There's going
Speaker 1: to be what fifty four entries fifty four, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you've got a really damn good shot of like actually
Speaker 1: winning that tournament. You know, it's not like we're you're
Speaker 1: coming out here to play a two thousand player field
Speaker 1: or something like that. No legitimate shot nopeburch is necessary.
Speaker 1: Of course, must be twenty one or older in the
Speaker 1: US resident to enter. Full details can be found at
Speaker 1: poker groat dot com slash rules. All right, first things first,
Speaker 1: what'd you think of this True Classic event?
Speaker 3: It was good. It was fun.
Speaker 4: Having the you know, fifteen True Classic giveaway winners in
Speaker 4: the field. I think attracted a you know, some new
Speaker 4: faces and new names into the Progo studio to play.
Speaker 4: Obviously we have the ten seats guaranteed in the satellite
Speaker 4: end up getting.
Speaker 3: A maybeing one of them as well.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 4: So that was obviously good, you know, attracting some new
Speaker 4: people and everything here.
Speaker 3: And it was a different event. It was. It was
Speaker 3: our first three K no limit hold them event here in.
Speaker 4: The studio, so that that was a good thing to
Speaker 4: break through, to break the ice. And I think kind of, hey,
Speaker 4: maybe we do you know, a few more three ks
Speaker 4: on the PGT in the twenty twenty sixth season.
Speaker 3: I think there's an avatite for him.
Speaker 4: We saw what was one hundred odd players on Day
Speaker 4: one B so hey, you know, I feel like that's
Speaker 4: probably what we could expect if we did more of
Speaker 4: these in a time slot where we can have the
Speaker 4: full attention of our playable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: Timeslot was something you know, we'll want to maybe improve
Speaker 1: upon for next year. There are always things that we
Speaker 1: want to improve upon for the next time around. Speaking
Speaker 1: with Ryan Bartlett, co founder of True Classic, he's gung
Speaker 1: ho on this event, trying to go bigger and better
Speaker 1: with it. He was pumped to be here. He was
Speaker 1: out here for the last two days. He got to
Speaker 1: meet a lot of those fifteen qualifiers or fifteen giveaway
Speaker 1: winners that you mentioned. Two of them cashed, Mark Anthony
Speaker 1: Debello cash for twelve k. James Anderson cashed for eight k,
Speaker 1: so good on them, and yeah, they did well with everything.
Speaker 1: So you know, two out of fifteen not bad. A
Speaker 1: couple of the players you saw, Luke Burnham took a
Speaker 1: horrible beat. Was a King's births as king for like
Speaker 1: the chip lead on day one beat, Yeah exactly, So
Speaker 1: you know, stuff like that breaks the other way and
Speaker 1: maybe we got some more people going deep. But all
Speaker 1: in all, I think it was a good event, a
Speaker 1: good foundational start to everything. And then of course you
Speaker 1: know we'll we'll go from there and we'll grow as
Speaker 1: we go. And then speaking of Ryan Bartlett, we were
Speaker 1: able to speak with him after the event ended. Did
Speaker 1: a little interview with him, talked with him about the promotion,
Speaker 1: the giveaway, the event as a whole, true classic giving back,
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. So let's hear from Ryan
Speaker 1: right now, and then we will come on back on
Speaker 1: the other side.
Speaker 5: I mean, you guys know that we are really big
Speaker 5: in the philanthropy, really big into giving, and you know,
Speaker 5: since we're already partnered with Poker Go, it just made
Speaker 5: sense to figure out how to bring value to some
Speaker 5: people in the poker community that you know, we could
Speaker 5: help put them into a tournament and make some money.
Speaker 5: So it was kind of the perfect combination of like
Speaker 5: a little bit of philanthropy mixed with a little bit
Speaker 5: of gambling, and you get this rexter Wig a tournament.
Speaker 5: I mean, I still secretly wish that I could have
Speaker 5: made it work some way somehow, but I just was
Speaker 5: not good enough. I Mean, these guys are the pros, obviously,
Speaker 5: but I'm such a gambler at heart. I gamble a
Speaker 5: lot in business. I take a lot of big bets
Speaker 5: and have a high risk tolerance.
Speaker 2: So I still have that.
Speaker 5: Poker player in me to this day. It just plays
Speaker 5: out very differently in the business world than at the
Speaker 5: Poker Table.
Speaker 2: I just hope that they know that we're here to.
Speaker 5: Show up for the community in one way or the other,
Speaker 5: whether it's the poker tournaments or giving out free credit
Speaker 5: or whatever we figure out to give back to the community.
Speaker 5: I just want to continue to be one of those
Speaker 5: brands it just shows up some way, somehow, other than
Speaker 5: just being another branded sponsor. I mean, within the poker community,
Speaker 5: there's a lot to give. I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 5: of things we can do. I think the tournament was
Speaker 5: a good start. I want to brainstorm for the World
Speaker 5: Series next year on what we can do to show up.
Speaker 5: I know a couple of years prior, we tried to
Speaker 5: show up with gift bags and things that the players
Speaker 5: would need at the World Series that would help them
Speaker 5: get to their day. So, you know, it's gonna be
Speaker 5: more tournaments, more ways to give. I don't know, we'll
Speaker 5: see where it goes, but I'm gonna rely on you
Speaker 5: guys to how brainstorm.
Speaker 2: It all right.
Speaker 1: That was true Classic co founder Ryan Barlett, a former
Speaker 1: poker player in his own right, but as he'll tell you,
Speaker 1: poker didn't quite go so well for him, and then
Speaker 1: he went on to get involved into some other businesses,
Speaker 1: and eventually True Classic took off, and you know, now
Speaker 1: it's basically taking over the world as it's taking over
Speaker 1: the Poker Go studio. So it's good to get brands
Speaker 1: like this involved in poker. I feel like it's few
Speaker 1: and far between these days too. It to one to
Speaker 1: just get sponsors to care about poker like they once did, right,
Speaker 1: that's like the first hurdle, and then also get sponsors
Speaker 1: involved that are tied to poker. They have poker roots,
Speaker 1: they want to give back, they want to do good
Speaker 1: things and also something that can benefit poker players. I mean,
Speaker 1: he gave a lot of value, you know to the
Speaker 1: fifteen giveaway winners got to come out here.
Speaker 2: They're into five thousand dollars package.
Speaker 1: They played in the thirty three hundred dollar event, they
Speaker 1: got three nights at Aria, they got flights, that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. They also got True Classic gear. Even today,
Speaker 1: you know, Ryan's hitting me up before the stream starts
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, I got twenty five one hundred
Speaker 1: dollars codes. Let's give him out on the stream to
Speaker 1: the fans, you know, do that sort of stuff, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, he really does want to give back as
Speaker 1: much as possible to the poker community, and he really
Speaker 1: wants to help people to chase their dreams. So that's great.
Speaker 1: You know, It's it's one thing to get a sponsor
Speaker 1: out here and slap their logo on stuff, but it's
Speaker 1: great to really get that integration, that engagement through it all. So,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm very pleased with everything and being able
Speaker 1: to work with True Classic because you know, they see
Speaker 1: the vision that we're trying to create here and that's
Speaker 1: that's always fun to have.
Speaker 2: So sweet. You got any final thoughts on the event?
Speaker 4: I guess we can talk a little bit about the
Speaker 4: PGT Labbol you know, was a PGT qual It.
Speaker 1: Was a pg That's why it was called the PGT
Speaker 1: True Classic. Rags, two riches.
Speaker 4: Two kind of people. I'm going to talk about one
Speaker 4: Michael Wang final type.
Speaker 1: And we should quickly before you get to that, we
Speaker 1: should say that Daniel Maher won the event about thousand dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he also won a thirty thousand dollars package to play
Speaker 1: in the WSB Paradise Super Main event. He at sixty
Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed event, which will be a PGT qualifying event.
Speaker 1: There are six events as part of WSB Paradise that
Speaker 1: are PGT qualifying, the first of which kicks off on Saturday,
Speaker 1: December sixth.
Speaker 4: So speaking of Dan though, yeah, he's won three huge
Speaker 4: events massive shout Out, Massive event in the last eighty months,
Speaker 4: two now in this very room, right, one being obviously
Speaker 4: the PGT True Classic Rags to Riches. He also won
Speaker 4: the ben MGM Championship that was last year. Yeah, in
Speaker 4: the last eighteen months. Oh yeah, sorry, And he also
Speaker 4: won his first bracelet at last years he.
Speaker 1: Did, and I did not know that that bracelet was
Speaker 1: one of the online to Live hybrid events. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: hybrid yeah, which you know, there's obviously every time ws
Speaker 1: A P comes around, there's always that that bracelet talk.
Speaker 1: You know, does do bracelets matter? Are they watering them down?
Speaker 2: Like all that sort of stuff?
Speaker 1: Right, as far as I'm concerned, a bracelet is a
Speaker 1: bracelet as long as the operator says it's a bracelet.
Speaker 1: That's my stance these days. I do think though, that
Speaker 1: all the online bracelets I think should just be online
Speaker 1: to live like that.
Speaker 4: That.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's that's my solution there, all of them,
Speaker 1: all of them should be No I know, but okay,
Speaker 1: But what I'm going also, what I'm saying with that
Speaker 1: is that if you atta packet with the fact that
Speaker 1: they need to be online to live, then you're gonna
Speaker 1: have fewer of them online, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna want to do, like you said,
Speaker 1: sixty two one hundred online to live events. But you
Speaker 1: could do a dozen. You could do twenty throughout the year.
Speaker 1: You could make that happen. You know, you could do
Speaker 1: some for the summer stuff you know that plays online
Speaker 1: to live of course during the summer, and then you
Speaker 1: could also do some that play like in the fall
Speaker 1: when they do the one here in the States on
Speaker 1: WSP dot com and they do them on gd Poker,
Speaker 1: and you could end up in paradise. Why can't you
Speaker 1: do that? Oh that's a good way, you know, like that,
Speaker 1: and that's how you do it. And then maybe you
Speaker 1: get I don't know, maybe you do fifteen in the summer,
Speaker 1: fifteen in the fall between the two markets, you get
Speaker 1: thirty total or something and you go about that. Or
Speaker 1: you could even do something where it's like maybe you
Speaker 1: do the live stuff at w SP Europe, right, you know,
Speaker 1: because they do have these three live ten pole events
Speaker 1: that they could drive people too, you know. And then
Speaker 1: and then also maybe like when it comes to w
Speaker 1: SP Paradise for example, you know, maybe they get some
Speaker 1: more people in that SUPERMANI men. You know, maybe they
Speaker 1: get them blasting down there, so all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: So I think that could be kind of a pathway,
Speaker 1: you know, or a way to possibly attack it. It
Speaker 1: Also it just creates like, I mean, the whole thing
Speaker 1: with the with the online stuff. I mean, listen, online
Speaker 1: poker is super fucking hard, but people are like, I
Speaker 1: don't know who I'm playing against, I don't know what
Speaker 1: they're doing. All this sort of stuff. Well, at least
Speaker 1: if you get them at the final table in a
Speaker 1: live setting, it's there, it's live, it's in the flesh, right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know that kind of thought about
Speaker 1: that today, but you know, we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1: But w SPE Paradise is coming up anyway.
Speaker 4: Put the PGT three people are gonna talk about real quick.
Speaker 4: Neil Warren, he Cash. He moved up to eightieth, but
Speaker 4: he's got seven hundred and four points. He is right
Speaker 4: in that striking distance from that top.
Speaker 3: Forty.
Speaker 4: Sam Laskwitz min Cash he moved up. He leaped from
Speaker 4: Dennis wise Brace, the winner from this world series. Most
Speaker 4: importantly for Sam is he's forty eighth on the lead aboard.
Speaker 4: Why that he's right there because that's technically with out
Speaker 4: little rules fortieth when you take out the eligibility must
Speaker 4: cast three times, he's actually when you remove those players
Speaker 4: such as Michael Musrahi, John Woznik, some of those guys,
Speaker 4: he's now fortieth, so he's in, but obviously lots more
Speaker 4: events to come. And the final person Michael Wang Final Table,
Speaker 4: the event he leaped up over Dylan Lindy. He's now
Speaker 4: seventeenth on the PGT leader board, twelve hundred and eighty.
Speaker 4: Would say he's probably locked in to qualify for the
Speaker 4: PGT Million Dollar Championship. But that was the three big
Speaker 4: movers from Yeah, the true Classic, Rags Riches.
Speaker 1: And then in this event. You know, with everything that
Speaker 1: we did here trying to promote it as much as
Speaker 1: possible live streaming at et cetera, I felt like this
Speaker 1: kind of kicked off the month of December in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways. It's a huge month here for poker
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas and around the world. With everything that's
Speaker 1: going on again, WISP Paradise, you got EPT Prague that's happening.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of stuff happening. Tim and I
Speaker 1: are going to be out there battling quite a bit,
Speaker 1: see if we can make some things happen as we
Speaker 1: close out the year. So you know, maybe we'll have
Speaker 1: a couple podcast before we turn the calendar over to
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six and kind of talk about it all.
Speaker 4: But we'll see how we need to do annual uh
Speaker 4: perka Rica we do.
Speaker 3: We do talk about next years.
Speaker 1: Go I feel like I have to tick off like
Speaker 1: nine more of them. I feel like I haven't done
Speaker 1: what I wanted to.
Speaker 4: I'm already said, you probably said shitty goals go back
Speaker 4: and listen.
Speaker 2: I don't know to the cash in an event.
Speaker 1: Wow, problem, my goals are pretty I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: remember what I don't even remember what our goals were.
Speaker 1: I remember I went back. So yeah, okay, we'll.
Speaker 3: Touch on it, like you know, around New Year's Eve.
Speaker 1: So I did want to touch on some of these
Speaker 1: other events that happened around the world in the last
Speaker 1: month or so. First and foremost, this APT Championship event
Speaker 1: that happened in where did it happened Taiwan, Taiwan. I
Speaker 1: mean this event like it kind of came out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: like I knew it was going to be happening, yeah right,
Speaker 1: and I knew it was a laft The event, the
Speaker 1: main event itself was a ten k us freeze out,
Speaker 1: freeze five million dollars guarantee, okay, which is I mean,
Speaker 1: that's lofty by today's standards, especially when from what I recall,
Speaker 1: I don't think they've ever done an event like that
Speaker 1: big of a buy in for like their main event.
Speaker 1: They were usually smaller I think, and that could be
Speaker 1: wrong there, but anyway, all of a sudden, it's like
Speaker 1: this Championship event is all over social media, it's getting
Speaker 1: streamed like there's a lot of stuff happening. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of players that made their way there. So it
Speaker 1: was like boom, all a sudden done when it comes
Speaker 1: to the Championship main events, six hundred and seventy one entry,
Speaker 1: so they did hit the guarantee, five million dollars were guaranteed.
Speaker 1: Of course, they got over that with the six seventy
Speaker 1: one in the field again freeze out, freeze out, which
Speaker 1: is just absolutely freaking wild India's Nishant Sharma won the
Speaker 1: event for almost one point two.
Speaker 2: You and I were joking. You text me, You're like,
Speaker 2: should we go next year?
Speaker 3: I want to hunt?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like kind of the reason the like for me
Speaker 1: talking about this event isn't so much about like talking
Speaker 1: about the results and like who won, like you know,
Speaker 1: shout out to Sharma for winning more than one point
Speaker 1: two million dollars, like that's awesome. But for me, the
Speaker 1: story here is like this event is now firmly on
Speaker 1: the map, like it I mean, it's like you and
Speaker 1: I are talking about, listen, should we plan for a
Speaker 1: trip next November? A lot of players, same sort of thing.
Speaker 1: I tried to do some reach out to various players
Speaker 1: to see how it was there, you know. Dylan Lindy
Speaker 1: said that he deeply enjoyed his first Asian Poker Tour experience.
Speaker 1: He said that the whole schedule had a wide range
Speaker 1: of well structured high rollers to mixed games to large,
Speaker 1: large guaranteed freeze outs, which is, you know, that's pretty
Speaker 1: cool to say. Hal Rotholds was over there as well.
Speaker 1: He said he's played a few of these events over
Speaker 1: the years, but he's glad to see what the APT
Speaker 1: brought this year with his events, especially as a mixed
Speaker 1: game player, so you know, again echoing with Dylan, Lindy said,
Speaker 1: as it really to the mixed games. A. J. Kelsaw
Speaker 1: another mixed game player. He was over there. I think
Speaker 1: he won a mixed game event as well, so you know,
Speaker 1: he had a good friend over there. He was happy with,
Speaker 1: like the people and how they welcomed you, and the
Speaker 1: hospitality and all that sort of stuff. He said, I
Speaker 1: highly recommend the APT series next November in Type A
Speaker 1: for anyone who wants to visit Asia while playing some poker.
Speaker 1: The events were well planned, the staff was outstanding, and
Speaker 1: the operation ran super smoothly with no lines or weights,
Speaker 1: et cetera. Anthony, who who Final Table DPGT True Classic
Speaker 1: Rags to Riches basically must have got off the plane
Speaker 1: and came right here because he was over there doing
Speaker 1: some stuff.
Speaker 3: He said.
Speaker 1: It was a very good vibe over there. The fields
Speaker 1: weren't as competitive as the US, which is good if
Speaker 1: you're value hunting. They have no cash games, according to him,
Speaker 1: so they have very like good structures and well structured
Speaker 1: tournaments that allows them to do that. He did say
Speaker 1: the rake was pretty high though, so so you know,
Speaker 1: he said it can be as high as fifteen percent
Speaker 1: and ten percent for the high rollers.
Speaker 2: So you know.
Speaker 1: He did say Taiwan's a great city. He speaks Chinese,
Speaker 1: so that helps him travel over there. He did say,
Speaker 1: I recommend going for fun, but hard to make money
Speaker 1: there with the rape plus currency conversion fees plus travel expenses.
Speaker 2: I mean, I get it, you know.
Speaker 1: I think it's good to have somebody who's you know,
Speaker 1: on not not necessarily a negative side, but isn't just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is awesome. I'm going to go every time, So
Speaker 1: it's good to get a nice diversified look there through
Speaker 1: some of the players. But from what I saw, it
Speaker 1: seemed like something I would want to maybe go, you know,
Speaker 1: if I do make a poker trip like this is
Speaker 1: now in the consideration for me, which I think when
Speaker 1: you're putting this event on and you want to attract
Speaker 1: international players, like that's what you're hoping to try and achieve,
Speaker 1: create that sense of fomo, to get people thinking about it,
Speaker 1: getting friends like us being like, hey, should we make
Speaker 1: a trip out of it.
Speaker 4: I just looked at the schedule and it kind of
Speaker 4: had a bit of everything for everyone. Know we talked,
Speaker 4: you mentioned these some of these guys, Hal and Dylan,
Speaker 4: Lindy and AJ mixed game guys. There was mixed game
Speaker 4: tournaments and tournaments I had never even heard of. Habby
Speaker 4: Mirk played once you want to yeah, Pineapple.
Speaker 3: To some yes, Seventh Heaven Pineapple. I don't know.
Speaker 4: They all crazy games, but they had a lot of
Speaker 4: stuff at very affordable buyings for like you know, you
Speaker 4: and me, we're talking three hundred, four hundred, five hundred.
Speaker 4: But then they had stuff like five k's, ten K
Speaker 4: main event, twenty five K high rolls. I had a
Speaker 4: full full spectrum of buyings and events.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: And that's what kind of you know, picked my interest. Plus, hey,
Speaker 4: a city. You know, we've done a lot of traveling
Speaker 4: in our career working. We never really made it to Taiwan,
Speaker 4: so it's kind of a spot. Hey, you know, it
Speaker 4: could be a good one to go to. Speaking to
Speaker 4: Anthony who he did talk about the players and some
Speaker 4: of the incredible hands he saw, but also the fact
Speaker 4: that was pretty you know, it's pretty easy trip. I
Speaker 4: think he said it was ten hours from I think
Speaker 4: he went from Seattle, So you know, it's not it's
Speaker 4: a pretty easy trip and yeah, new city, good food.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind.
Speaker 4: Uh, you know it's about Ley Novem and next year
Speaker 4: skip Thanksgiving. Have Thanksgiving over in Taiwan.
Speaker 1: I mean, more importantly skip F one. Oh yes, get
Speaker 1: the heck out of the city. Well, the city is
Speaker 1: a disaster here in Vegas. But I mean, you and
Speaker 1: I we pay attention to a lot of poker stuff
Speaker 1: around the world, and you know, obviously a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff happens. I would I think I'm pretty confident saying,
Speaker 1: and you can tell me if you agree or not.
Speaker 1: But like, I can't remember something recently catching our attention
Speaker 1: as much as this series did. And that's why we
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about it here, is because it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you see new series pop up over here and there,
Speaker 1: but I can't recall a series that really like grabbed
Speaker 1: our attention as much. Again to the fact that we're like,
Speaker 1: should we try and go like it it seemed that
Speaker 1: good that we should try and go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like, okay, we talked about stuff here in the States,
Speaker 4: so hey, we should go to that. But this is
Speaker 4: it's not like we're ever like pining to go to
Speaker 4: somewhere over seas. This one's just definitely stood out the
Speaker 4: fact that a lot of our players, you know, with
Speaker 4: skipping events here state side good events too. To go
Speaker 4: to the APT says a lot from the player standpoint,
Speaker 4: and knowing that, knowing they've all had pretty good experiences,
Speaker 4: even some of the you know people you didn't mention
Speaker 4: that we talked to that played the true Classic event,
Speaker 4: it seems like, hey, they're probably going to target going
Speaker 4: back again. So hey, it's probably only going to get
Speaker 4: bigger and better if other tours, you know, obviously for us,
Speaker 4: the pgt were already Hey, okay, let's make sure we
Speaker 4: don't overlap this because it looks like our players want
Speaker 4: to do a little bit of traveling still, so we
Speaker 4: can fade any events overlapping this.
Speaker 3: This is good.
Speaker 4: We'll see if others you know out there talking seminal
Speaker 4: we're going to talk probably about the bestop soon just
Speaker 4: also do the same.
Speaker 1: It also gave me a thought just again seeing how
Speaker 1: much attention that this EPT event was getting, how much
Speaker 1: it was grabbing our attention, and I immediately started to
Speaker 1: think of if I'm the Aussie Millions which is coming
Speaker 1: back next year, Yeah, this is the type of attention
Speaker 1: I need to grab from the poker community. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I need to make it feel like like whether or
Speaker 1: not the event necessarily does well, like which I hope
Speaker 1: it does well. Yes, but it's not like it's not
Speaker 1: just about smashing numbers in the first year being back
Speaker 1: for the Auzie Millions. It's about grabbing that attention, you know,
Speaker 1: people coming out of it that might not have gone
Speaker 1: because going into it, there's probably some people that are
Speaker 1: on the fence that are like, well, is it really back.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Let me see how the first one goes. But if
Speaker 1: they see it and it smashes and then everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I need to go again, Auzie Millions is back. Like
Speaker 1: so that's what I would be chasing if I was
Speaker 1: Auzie Millions. So, you know, this gave me a feel
Speaker 1: of like when I used to look at Auzzie Millions.
Speaker 1: When I say this, I mean this APT Championship Series.
Speaker 1: You know, it gave me a feel of like, oh,
Speaker 1: like I miss Auzie Millions. I want to go there.
Speaker 1: I want to be there. So you know, hopefully let's
Speaker 1: let's see how Auzie Millions goes and if they can
Speaker 1: capture you know, some of the buzz similar to what
Speaker 1: the APT Championship just did. BSOP Millions another tournament series
Speaker 1: that it was on our radar.
Speaker 2: It was like a whole super high Roller series.
Speaker 4: Basically, they had like a high Rollers series and they
Speaker 4: had a like a Nava series with it.
Speaker 1: Yea, And the BSOP is absolutely just bananas big, Like
Speaker 1: it's just grown and grown and grown every single year.
Speaker 1: It looks like madness down there. I've been to Brazil
Speaker 1: a couple of times. You went there at least once
Speaker 1: with me shout out Florianopolis. But the poker, I don't
Speaker 1: know what the poker is still like down there. When
Speaker 1: we were there, it was like ten years behind, yes,
Speaker 1: So I don't know if it's caught up. Obviously, there
Speaker 1: are some very very good Brazilian players. I guess been
Speaker 1: unfortunate to play against them in some WSP events over
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, and they're always a giant
Speaker 1: freaking handful to deal with at the table. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, Brazil is just absolutely popping when it comes
Speaker 1: to poker. So another spot where I think people are
Speaker 1: gonna want to go to, especially if they can now
Speaker 1: go there and expect to get in a bunch of
Speaker 1: higher buy and stuff, right, I mean, like you had
Speaker 1: guys like Martin Cabrell was down there, Like yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean obviously Martin Carrell is a very polarizing person, but
Speaker 1: still like they got him down there to play a
Speaker 1: huge high roller series of events. So stuff like that
Speaker 1: I think is good for them and we'll see how
Speaker 1: that goes going forward. In the main events, Brazil's Alan
Speaker 1: Philippe won the BSOP Championship for six hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: three thousand dollars. There was a three way deal. He
Speaker 1: was wearing a no gamble in the future three quarter zip. No.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm on stream playing a hand with him
Speaker 1: in the WSP main event from day four this year.
Speaker 1: This guy, this is the guy when I had Queen
Speaker 1: Jack and he tried to bluff me in yeah, top pair.
Speaker 1: I think he went three streets. He raised from the
Speaker 1: button of the cutoff I called small black.
Speaker 3: I was I think I'm on the right for that.
Speaker 1: Hen. Yeah, but there was that gentleman. So he goes
Speaker 1: on to have success here. Now this event, they came
Speaker 1: out saying like this is going to be the largest
Speaker 1: guarantee in.
Speaker 2: Like South American poker history.
Speaker 1: However, they phrased it four million dollar guarantee, which I
Speaker 1: think fell a little bit short. Seven hundred and fourteen
Speaker 1: entries in this thing. I believe the buy in when
Speaker 1: you converted to USD was writer on six k or
Speaker 1: something like that, so fell a little bit short. But
Speaker 1: still it seems like they are very very bullish on
Speaker 1: making this happen. I mean, they were doing things like
Speaker 1: they obviously streamed it in a lot of places, but
Speaker 1: they even had like an English commentary team, which I
Speaker 1: think Jeff Gross Maria Hoo like we're on the English channel,
Speaker 1: Like they had a BSOP English channel all set up.
Speaker 1: So obviously they have the Brazilian channel, but then they
Speaker 1: did other languages too, you know, just trying to blast
Speaker 1: this far and wide. Martin Carell won an event down there.
Speaker 1: He won the thirty K super high Roller for four
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty two thousand, Philippe Boyanovski won the fifty
Speaker 1: K super high Roller for six hundred and forty thousand,
Speaker 1: Automar Ladva won the twenty K one day Super high
Speaker 1: Roller for three hundred and twenty one thousand dollars, and
Speaker 1: z Nick Zizka won the one hundred K super high
Speaker 1: Roller main event for one point two million. He beat
Speaker 1: Philippe Boyanovski who won that fifty k super high Roller,
Speaker 1: and then boy Kofsky here cash in second for seven
Speaker 1: or sixty k. And the reason why I want to
Speaker 1: read through those events there is because again it shows you,
Speaker 1: like what this series is trying to be. Yeah, thirty
Speaker 1: k by and fifty k by and twenty k like
Speaker 1: hundred k like these are big.
Speaker 2: This is like Triton level type of stuff.
Speaker 3: So American.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean, and it goes to show I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: these events weren't massive, shut out massive, but forty four entries,
Speaker 1: forty entries, fifty eight thirty six for the Hunter K Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not nothing. Lot of money, especially for
Speaker 1: the first time out in Brazil. So you know, we'll
Speaker 1: see if this thing sticks around and if they can
Speaker 1: build on it. But now it seems like, you know,
Speaker 1: if you are a high roller and super high roller
Speaker 1: type of player, you now have a new stop on
Speaker 1: the calendar, and that is down in Brazil for the BSOP.
Speaker 1: I mean, before the BSOP, at least as I know,
Speaker 1: it was more small, mid major type.
Speaker 2: Of buy ins.
Speaker 1: But you know, you get you have like a two
Speaker 1: K tournament that gets five thousand people like that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. Right, this is kind of going the other
Speaker 1: way now, but I guess in the vein of trying
Speaker 1: to have something for everyone. So so yeah, so they
Speaker 1: got that going for them. WPT also happened the Seminal
Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Poker Open that wrapped up recently, what
Speaker 1: a week ago or so. I actually thought that they
Speaker 1: were playing that FILEL table here Wednesday. Yeah, true, a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago, I thought they were going to
Speaker 1: play that found table here. I was like watching it
Speaker 1: and following it, and like, you know, I love following
Speaker 1: the PT events. The seminal ones are always big. You know,
Speaker 1: you get a lot of notables in there, a lot
Speaker 1: of good action. They often stream stuff from down there
Speaker 1: so you can watch, et cetera. Like I'm watching. I'm
Speaker 1: watching and watching. They set the final table, and I
Speaker 1: like forgot about it because I just assumed that, similar
Speaker 1: to what they did for Bay one on one, they
Speaker 1: were going to pause it, bring them out to Vegas
Speaker 1: here for during the WPT World Championship and do it here.
Speaker 1: But they just played it out because then somebody texted
Speaker 1: me like it was our friend Monawar, who was down
Speaker 1: there working for WPT. He texted me like about the
Speaker 1: guy who wanted like to check out a hand or something,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I thought they were stopping for
Speaker 1: the for the tournament. But Kevin Nee won it. Six
Speaker 1: hundred and five thousand dollars for him he beat Joel
Speaker 1: Gola three hundred ninety five K for him. Aramzobian Branda
Speaker 1: bars regular on the PGT third place for him two
Speaker 1: hundred ninety five K. Chad Eaves Legged fourth place for
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty K nanod medic seventh place in that.
Speaker 1: One interesting thing that I noticed about this event is
Speaker 1: this is now the fifth year that we've seen a decline,
Speaker 1: which it's not an enormous decline, but I would say
Speaker 1: it is an enormous de well, okay, I mean, but
Speaker 1: I'll say that it's one of those things where like,
Speaker 1: you know, like when we talk about the wsp Man event,
Speaker 1: for example, and if the wsp Man event got eighty
Speaker 1: five players, everyone would freak out right, But on the
Speaker 1: other side of things, it's like you still got an
Speaker 1: you still got eighty five hundred players for a ten
Speaker 1: K freeze out. You know, when basically everyone's broken, the
Speaker 1: economies and the shitter, so like it's still good, right,
Speaker 1: So like that that's the good spin. There's always good spin,
Speaker 1: there's negative spin whatever. So this like the negative spin,
Speaker 1: like you're saying, is it went from last year when
Speaker 1: fourteen thirty five this year twelve twenty four.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 1: Now I'll say, okay, you're having a what's this thirty
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars buying?
Speaker 2: You still got more.
Speaker 1: Than twelve players, Really good, you beat the big guarantee,
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. But you and I often
Speaker 1: talk about trends, like once you start seeing the trend,
Speaker 1: that's when the concern starts to grow. And twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one coming out of the pandemic, fifteen hundred and sixty six,
Speaker 1: next year fifteen forty one, next year twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: fourteen forty seven, then fourteen thirty five, now twelve twenty four.
Speaker 1: Now I have no reason idea why this is happening necessarily.
Speaker 1: I mean, my guess is maybe some seminal fatigue combined
Speaker 1: with the stuff that we just talked about. You know,
Speaker 1: there's just other events, like a lot of people, you know,
Speaker 1: I read off those names, Anthony who a j Kelsol, Like,
Speaker 1: was he in Florida?
Speaker 2: I mean to be in Florida for like the tail
Speaker 2: end of stuff, right.
Speaker 4: No, I think he just posted something where he just
Speaker 4: just getting back with something, so he probably.
Speaker 1: Okay, Dylan Lindy like, like those are players that I
Speaker 1: would assume would go to Seminole always, right, especially when
Speaker 1: you know now it's you kind of go to Seminole,
Speaker 1: you hang out in Florida and you top the pond
Speaker 1: and go to Bahamas, like that's the plan. So my
Speaker 1: overall take, I don't have a take like as it
Speaker 1: relates specifically to WPT, but I guess my overall thought
Speaker 1: and you know you and I won't get into too
Speaker 1: many specifics. But our friend Matt Savage, listener of the pod,
Speaker 1: we did have a text exchange between us where it's like,
Speaker 1: there's just too much poker these days. I mean we
Speaker 1: feel it too, like there's there's so much fucking poker,
Speaker 1: and like, is it bad that there's some Like it's
Speaker 1: both good but also it's obviously good that in the
Speaker 1: sense that there's just a lot of poker to be
Speaker 1: played and it's available everywhere you look, right, you can
Speaker 1: play anything you want probably any buy in from a
Speaker 1: freaking three hundred dollars tournament all the way up to
Speaker 1: one hundred k down in Brazil. Well, you can do
Speaker 1: whatever you want, okay. And it's there's stuff all over
Speaker 1: the world at any time, even this month, there's like
Speaker 1: six series here in Vegas, there's WSP Paradise, there's Progue, like,
Speaker 1: there's all this sort of stuff. But also it's like,
Speaker 1: is it gonna suffer? Like are events gonna go down
Speaker 1: in numbers because things are spaced out more? Maybe the
Speaker 1: totality of all the entries of like Poker's poker players
Speaker 1: playing at one point is like rising, but events start
Speaker 1: to kind of go down or people start to go elsewhere.
Speaker 1: And then and this is where you bring it back
Speaker 1: to seminal. If you're somebody like Seminole and you're seeing
Speaker 1: this like five year trend of it going down, do
Speaker 1: you then lower guarantee which isn't necessarily good for the players?
Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's just like, is there just is there too much?
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're more in the streets on this
Speaker 1: than I am because you deal with PGT and the
Speaker 1: scheduling stuff.
Speaker 2: So what are your thing.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, there is too much, but these operators
Speaker 4: all want their money, so they're going to keep putting
Speaker 4: events on. Doesn't really matter what they how they how
Speaker 4: it affects the playapool. Like just like you said, you
Speaker 4: look at Vegas right now. We have the win, we
Speaker 4: have Aria, we have all lanes, we have plann of Hollywood,
Speaker 4: Resorts World, we have Resorts World, we have kind of
Speaker 4: us all running something, you know. I mean, we really
Speaker 4: have one events, so it doesn't it's not really the same.
Speaker 1: But still, I mean, everything's going on today. I would
Speaker 1: say that I would have hoped our numbers would have
Speaker 1: topped two hundred. They didn't, and there's a lot going on.
Speaker 3: I yeah, there's too much going on, but I think
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Oh there's Venetian too. Don't forget about Venetian. They got
Speaker 1: out a huge series that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, Venation because yeah, I think you know,
Speaker 4: And look, Matt Savage will probly send us a text
Speaker 4: tomorrow about this. But I think that Seminole could make
Speaker 4: one change right now to send those numbers back up
Speaker 4: to fourteen hundred, no problems.
Speaker 1: What's that five million dollar guarantee which they could easily hit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, by the way, I would change their starting flights
Speaker 4: because they've always owned this with this Thanksgiving window, right,
Speaker 4: which is Friday Saturday is day one A and one B, right,
Speaker 4: And that's fine. People don't really care about Thanksgiving, or
Speaker 4: you're targeting locals or people going to fly in on
Speaker 4: the Friday.
Speaker 3: But I think there's enough players that you know.
Speaker 4: They want to spend the Thursday with the family, they
Speaker 4: don't really want to rush or were they're going to
Speaker 4: fly in on Friday and play only one B. Now,
Speaker 4: if you just went to which we would probably say
Speaker 4: is are better flights, better days for starting flights, which
Speaker 4: is Friday. Like if we just go to the weekend,
Speaker 4: because we both agree that Friday Saturday is the best.
Speaker 4: But just for this specific event, you move just to
Speaker 4: the weekend to give the out of towners, the Vegas people,
Speaker 4: the people coming from the East, stop North wherever, one
Speaker 4: extra day, one extra travel day, so they can play
Speaker 4: one day in full gust. Though, I think that little
Speaker 4: change would probably do a lot of good for this event,
Speaker 4: because you know it like it is. We're saying, if
Speaker 4: you looked at the chip counts, you' seeing a lot
Speaker 4: of people flying in from overseas playing this event, you know,
Speaker 4: playing the ten k high roll of the twenty five
Speaker 4: k high roll then shooting over to Paradise. But I
Speaker 4: think to try and boost those those numbers in the
Speaker 4: main event just audible one day Saturday Sunday fights.
Speaker 1: I think that also that also allows them to get
Speaker 1: closer to Wsby Paradise, which I think is good. Like,
Speaker 1: so there's like it's it's like basically right on, it's
Speaker 1: like one day in between, if that right now, But
Speaker 1: like are people really going for like the first day
Speaker 1: of Doubsby Paradise. They might take a day or two
Speaker 1: into it, because that first event is like what the twenty.
Speaker 3: Events are depends what the first event is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would basically like I would have if
Speaker 1: you're going to continue to have this final table down there,
Speaker 1: then you have that final table like one or two
Speaker 1: days later, which if in your case, if you're bumping
Speaker 1: those starting voices there, that's gonna happen, yeah, and then
Speaker 1: you like really butt up with that way people can
Speaker 1: make like let's say day three of this WPT, then
Speaker 1: basically the next day they're on the flight to Paradise,
Speaker 1: as opposed to having two days off or you know,
Speaker 1: something kind of in between, because the traveling poker players
Speaker 1: really do just in my opinion, like to hop from
Speaker 1: stop to stop.
Speaker 2: They don't just play.
Speaker 4: We had players at Seminole texting me so asking about,
Speaker 4: you know, our event, and I saw them on social
Speaker 4: playing an event the night before the next day they
Speaker 4: were here.
Speaker 3: You know, they're going to play the events. They're going
Speaker 3: to book them.
Speaker 4: They're going to book the Red Eye or they're going
Speaker 4: to book that early am flight and get here. And
Speaker 4: these guys don't really, to be honest, they don't really
Speaker 4: plan that far ahead.
Speaker 1: No, that's not a dig it any of them.
Speaker 4: But they're basically playing and then they're just gonna you know,
Speaker 4: they're not gonna.
Speaker 2: Like they just they book a flight and then they're not.
Speaker 4: On diming flights and stuff like that. They're like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm done, I'm jumping on this next fight, get home,
Speaker 4: play this event. You know, we have people asking us
Speaker 4: like about end, like when is light registration because they're
Speaker 4: gonna fly here and harpe to at least get a
Speaker 4: bullet in time.
Speaker 1: I mean, people were trying to come here to play
Speaker 1: that win eight hundred. Yeah, you know, they were like
Speaker 1: when's the night flight and like when can I get
Speaker 1: in you know that sort of stuff. So yeah, like
Speaker 1: they like in the case of Florida, because it's so
Speaker 1: close to the Bahamas, they would like want to fly
Speaker 1: to the Bahamas land, put their ship in their room
Speaker 1: and go play a tournament, like like.
Speaker 2: Just go you know.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, I think that could be, you know
Speaker 1: a little bit better time than I do agree with
Speaker 1: you that having those those flights for this series, specifically
Speaker 1: because of the Thanksgiving just this one, you know.
Speaker 2: But we'll but we'll see well, I mean, we'll see
Speaker 2: how it goes.
Speaker 1: But again, Kevin Knee, winner of the WPT Seminole Hard
Speaker 1: Rock Rock and Roll poker ope or six hundred and
Speaker 1: what six hundred and something k six oh five. I
Speaker 1: think it was so good on him. It's gonna say knee.
Speaker 1: It's gonna say knee on the trophy. kN Yeah, knee.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: All right, poker drama. I guess we can just give
Speaker 1: her quick takes. We're bringing it back up a lot
Speaker 1: of poker drama. In the past couple of weeks, we
Speaker 1: had a social media post on Twitter from Club WPT Gold,
Speaker 1: which came from sashimi, but then was shared by club
Speaker 1: WPT Gold that seemed to piss off like every don't
Speaker 1: know everyone, so you had that that kind.
Speaker 2: Of started everything.
Speaker 1: Then Abby Murk she kind of came at them, but
Speaker 1: then people came at her for being hypocritical, like she
Speaker 1: was saying, like, you can't do this with like the
Speaker 1: social post was a woman like.
Speaker 2: Which I saw the interview with her, but she like
Speaker 2: doesn't have social media, I think.
Speaker 1: But anyway, she was like tourking and dancing and gyrating
Speaker 1: on a table, like throwing chips around, like the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Because she won and all ladies.
Speaker 1: I had no idea what the genesis of it was,
Speaker 1: but thankfully you did the digging there. So then you know,
Speaker 1: the abbing comes to WPT saying you shouldn't post the stuff,
Speaker 1: what are you guys doing? Then there's that whole thing
Speaker 1: like WPD, what the heck are you doing to your brand?
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, this whole thing. Then people jump on
Speaker 1: Abbie Murk because she had some rather revealing posts on
Speaker 1: her social media, you know, so it's like, well, how
Speaker 1: come you can? How come you're calling out them? But
Speaker 1: then you act this way. I kind of I think
Speaker 1: I'm like straddling the fence there where I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's I feel like brands should be upheld to a
Speaker 1: certain standard versus an individuals act. Now, I will also
Speaker 1: say that because of that, the messenger probably shouldn't have
Speaker 1: been Abby, because it was like, as soon as I
Speaker 1: saw what she said, I knew.
Speaker 3: They're gonna come.
Speaker 2: The poker community is coming for her, like you just
Speaker 2: you know, the poker community is coming. That's what they do.
Speaker 1: They latched their teeth into something and they are coming
Speaker 1: on social media.
Speaker 2: So there's the bit.
Speaker 4: I had a problem with the most and you know,
Speaker 4: stand up for Abby a little bit.
Speaker 3: Here they called out.
Speaker 4: Her recent session of No Gamble in My Future, our
Speaker 4: show where we filmed and we live streamed. And for
Speaker 4: those that are unaware, No Game in the Future has
Speaker 4: a wheel of pain. You gotta do punishments. Okay, she
Speaker 4: was playing the biggest stakes of her life, right and
Speaker 4: she was she was, you know whatever, she was playing
Speaker 4: this game. She had to spin the wheel, she had
Speaker 4: to do jumping jacks. Okay, she's doing jumping jacks and stapes.
Speaker 4: You know, the Wheelmaster General was covering her up with
Speaker 4: his coat because you know women, you know jumping Okay,
Speaker 4: you guys.
Speaker 3: Get the picture.
Speaker 4: And now even our cameramen were like sometimes just just
Speaker 4: showing the shoes, so they were respecting what you know
Speaker 4: was going on there. Now she was called out for
Speaker 4: doing jumping jacks and then she before back was like,
Speaker 4: it's the punishment, you have to do it, and then
Speaker 4: Matt Burkie chim means like, you don't have to do
Speaker 4: the punishment. Well, the whole point of the show is
Speaker 4: to like spin the wheel and do the punishment.
Speaker 1: So I will say that also on that show there
Speaker 1: was times when like like philm wasn't doing any punishments,
Speaker 1: he was basically buying out, which I thought was absolutely yes,
Speaker 1: like it's just can't like no that show if the
Speaker 1: wheel is in play. And there are other instances like
Speaker 1: later on in that week, because we did a whole
Speaker 1: week with live streaming, there was no Gamble in the
Speaker 1: Future live without the wall in play. So you either
Speaker 1: if you play and the wheel is in play, you
Speaker 1: have to do the punishments end of story or the
Speaker 1: punt of the way to get out of it. The
Speaker 1: penalty is like a lot of money, like five K
Speaker 1: or something fucking ridiculous. I just think it's unfair to
Speaker 1: single out that when she's kind of forced to do it,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of mean, that's that's silly yet. But
Speaker 1: the other stuff you definitely knew that people were going
Speaker 1: to come from. Yeah, she's posted some saucy pictures and
Speaker 1: some you know, some shorts.
Speaker 4: But here's the thing that she's trying to grow her
Speaker 4: social and you know, she's been on a pretty dramatic
Speaker 4: increase in followers and views, and she's you know, obviously
Speaker 4: a bet MGM ambassador. Now she's done what you're supposed
Speaker 4: to do. She's followed the game plan for social media,
Speaker 4: you know, content creators. Uh, kind of simple of that
Speaker 4: as it is.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, listen, she might need to learn
Speaker 1: just through experience that, you know, because she's still in
Speaker 1: the in the grand scheme of poker, like, she's still
Speaker 1: on the newer side of things. Yeah, you know, not
Speaker 1: that that's on a knock against her, she's just newer
Speaker 1: to the community or whatever.
Speaker 2: So she's just gonna have.
Speaker 1: To learn how to navigate these situations. And you know,
Speaker 1: eventually she'll learn to just roll with the punches and
Speaker 1: and and leverage it to her advantage, you know where
Speaker 1: like you know, like, yeah, okay, I post a picture
Speaker 1: on my underwear a day in life of Pokemon. I
Speaker 1: don't give a shit. I'm an individual. This is the
Speaker 1: World Poker tour that runs around talking about how prestigious they.
Speaker 2: Are, you know, saying like why why are they doing that?
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's just ridiculous anyway, Like but anyway,
Speaker 1: that was that happened. But then, you know, not to
Speaker 1: be outdone, she just gets thrown to the side because
Speaker 1: here comes the whole AI issue. There don't be a
Speaker 1: big docu series, which you and I had planned to
Speaker 1: talk about. I don't know if you had a chance
Speaker 1: to watch any of it.
Speaker 3: I'm fully caught up.
Speaker 2: Well what does that even mean?
Speaker 1: Because everything that was violable watch I don't even know
Speaker 1: what at what point did they get to before they
Speaker 1: had to pull it.
Speaker 3: I think we're on episode five.
Speaker 1: The reason why I say that I had the privilege
Speaker 1: to watch the entire thing ahead of time, about a
Speaker 1: week ahead of time, so I watched it from start
Speaker 1: to finish.
Speaker 2: But I don't know in the real world.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 3: Eight, I think we're on five or six.
Speaker 1: Okay, so this happens Dustin and Ian Atti, who, of course,
Speaker 1: back in April I think, put a pretty polarizing Twitter
Speaker 1: post out there saying he's gonna like shake up the
Speaker 1: entire poker world with this new content. Do it all differently,
Speaker 1: tell the stories the way they need to be told,
Speaker 1: like the whole thing. Right that that, in and of
Speaker 1: itself created a whole thing on social media. Right fast
Speaker 1: forward to now, they released this docu series and a
Speaker 1: couple episodes go by Alan Keating, who was featured in
Speaker 1: the docu series, who has a working relationship with Artisans
Speaker 1: on Fire, the production company that Dustin owns that did this.
Speaker 1: He said that he claimed on social media that they
Speaker 1: used AI to like put words in his mouth and stuff,
Speaker 1: like they mimicked his voice and took some quotes and
Speaker 1: whatever Dustin comes out with, like basically an apology that
Speaker 1: was like a non apology. Everyone jumps down his throat
Speaker 1: like it's a whole thing. What I thought was interesting though,
Speaker 1: was that I hope I have this right, but I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure. Alan Keen then deleted that tweet after so
Speaker 1: like but like so I don't know, like, so did
Speaker 1: he not mean it? Like and if he didn't mean it,
Speaker 1: why would you come out publicly like that, especially when
Speaker 1: you have a relationship.
Speaker 2: Not that not that what they did or didn't do
Speaker 2: is right or wrong. Like I'm not getting into that.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, it just seems weird that he
Speaker 1: pulled something down when he put it out there, because
Speaker 1: putting it out there for as long as it was
Speaker 1: out there, I mean, that did the damage right there.
Speaker 1: That was it, Like the thing was cooked. Then later on,
Speaker 1: you know, w speed decides to pull it down, and
Speaker 1: you know that's that. I have no idea if it's
Speaker 1: going to come back. I mean, do you have any
Speaker 1: thoughts there?
Speaker 2: Like I kind of don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm maybe I'm just an idiot and I'm naive, but
Speaker 1: like I'm like, I don't know. I don't think the
Speaker 1: AI thing is that bad personally, I don't. I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I wouldn't have done it. I don't
Speaker 1: think you should do it. But I also don't think
Speaker 1: it was like as bad as people were making it seem.
Speaker 1: Also people were there was something around people going around
Speaker 1: about how it was kind of edited out of context
Speaker 1: to make it a certain way, And I was thinking, like,
Speaker 1: has anyone ever watched any reality show ever.
Speaker 3: That's how the old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know, you got to create heroes and
Speaker 1: villains and tell a story a certain way and like
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I was enjoying it. You know, I'll
Speaker 4: kind of watch anything Pucker related, Puck of vlogs, whatever
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 3: Was enjoying it it.
Speaker 4: You know, maybe you know, dust In, any team should
Speaker 4: have hey he just said to said to Alan, look
Speaker 4: we want.
Speaker 2: To Yeah they should.
Speaker 1: They should have been like, hey, listen, we need to
Speaker 1: fix this here. We're thinking about doing this. Are you
Speaker 1: okay with it? Give us your sign off? If not,
Speaker 1: then I don't know, you get him into the office
Speaker 1: and you do some voice or I don't know, you
Speaker 1: try and solve it in another way.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you definitely got to reach out ahead of time.
Speaker 2: So but the whole thing just.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like another the whole this is
Speaker 1: the whole happened in like a week's time, and it
Speaker 1: was just kind of shitty. I guess for poker in
Speaker 1: general that like this is all just everyone's just fighting
Speaker 1: on on on Twitter about everything that's happening, and it's
Speaker 1: like everyone's got to fight, everyone's got to have a
Speaker 1: take on it. Everyone's got to get involved, everyone's got
Speaker 1: to do this and that. And I was like, can't
Speaker 1: we just talk about like how cool poker is and
Speaker 1: how fun it is to play in these banana's hands
Speaker 1: that are you know, being played, and you know all
Speaker 1: this sort of stuff.
Speaker 4: I don't know you've I mean, both of both you
Speaker 4: and I talked to Dustin, played with Dustin and stuff,
Speaker 4: and obviously he had a deep run here in the
Speaker 4: true classic rags of riches.
Speaker 2: Really want to satellite and cast?
Speaker 3: Yeah, must be nice.
Speaker 2: Are better players than another?
Speaker 1: That's what I got to say.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I haven't ask him anything about it. That's
Speaker 4: probably a saw subject, you know for him, So I'm
Speaker 4: not going to kind of dig into it. But I'm
Speaker 4: my guess is that probably going to re edit some
Speaker 4: stuff and probably re release it, you know post.
Speaker 1: I also thought it was interesting that they took all
Speaker 1: of them down. Yeah, so does that mean there was
Speaker 1: more stuff elsewhere that we don't know about? Does or
Speaker 1: did they just because they just didn't want to deal
Speaker 1: with the whole thing, they just took all that, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think it was only the one episode with Allen.
Speaker 4: Then I think it's a WSP directive, you know that
Speaker 4: probably quick rash things say hey, take them off, you know,
Speaker 4: take them down, and then we'll revisit each episode. So
Speaker 4: you know, look, maybe there's some AI in all the episodes.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's just Alan's, but I think that does.
Speaker 1: Soon everyone's going to be using AI to create everything anyone.
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't even matter.
Speaker 4: What's so funny is like I saw I'm not going
Speaker 4: to name who sent the tweet, but like someone sent
Speaker 4: a tweet that was so obviously AI, and like, I mean,
Speaker 4: everyone uses it. It's just kind of part of everyday
Speaker 4: life now, Like I use it, but like in different ways.
Speaker 4: A lot of people use it in certain different ways.
Speaker 4: I use it as Google now, so instead of Googling,
Speaker 4: I chatch GPT my questions.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely becoming a tool to help people
Speaker 1: with a lot of things, which you know, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of obviously a lot of people are very
Speaker 1: doom and gloom that like AI is going to take
Speaker 1: over the world, It's going to take a bunch of
Speaker 1: people's jobs away, and like all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: which I don't entirely disagree with, but I also don't
Speaker 1: fully agree with in that, Like, I'm not totally doom
Speaker 1: and gloom with it, you know, I just look at
Speaker 1: it like it's a tool, and it's a tool that
Speaker 1: a lot of people can leverage to do things. Now,
Speaker 1: that same tool is very likely going to take away jobs,
Speaker 1: and it likely already has taken away jobs. That said,
Speaker 1: that same tool can also allow people to create new jobs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
Speaker 1: For example, if I'm working in marketing, like I do,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I can leverage various AI tools to
Speaker 1: do different things. Hey, create this graphic for me, do
Speaker 1: this and whatever, and like you have to still work
Speaker 1: with it and prompt it certain ways and whatever. So
Speaker 1: maybe I don't need an entire marketing team. Under mean,
Speaker 1: maybe I can be a one stop shop. Right, but
Speaker 1: you can keep the same thing.
Speaker 2: But let me say that.
Speaker 1: Okay, but let me say that if I become more efficient,
Speaker 1: maybe we don't need the team, and then we get
Speaker 1: rid of the team. Okay, by the way, this did
Speaker 1: not happen. I'm just speaking hypotheticals. Okay, Now let's say
Speaker 1: that team, right, everyone on that team, maybe they go
Speaker 1: out and they create their own marketing agency because they
Speaker 1: can do all this stuff themselves, you know. So it's like,
Speaker 1: on one side of things, yes, it took away these jobs,
Speaker 1: but on the other side of things, it does create
Speaker 1: a path if you are willing to put in the
Speaker 1: work and learn this stuff that you could do that
Speaker 1: you know, like in like a big one is obviously
Speaker 1: the movie industry. You know, it's going to take away
Speaker 1: there was that whole strike and all the writers and
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. Like yeah, okay, but like
Speaker 1: what if you flipped it and as a writer you
Speaker 1: decided to start creating AI movies and stuff and put
Speaker 1: that in or on YouTube or put it out there
Speaker 1: on social media or like you try and go that, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I'm just throwing stuff against
Speaker 1: the wall. I'm not fully like doom and Gloom with it.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to have some damage that it does, yes,
Speaker 1: but I think it's also going to allow things to
Speaker 1: be created that are pretty cool.
Speaker 4: So the biggest way I say it, like I kind
Speaker 4: of said efficiency, is that when you have work projects,
Speaker 4: I think the timelines of these projects are now shortening,
Speaker 4: meaning you can get more work in sure, you can
Speaker 4: do more work, tackle more projects. So I think that's
Speaker 4: when you used properly, that's kind of the benefit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I don't think that you should
Speaker 1: rely on it, you know, I look at it like,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is probably a bad analogy, but whatever.
Speaker 1: But like back in the day, you know, you used
Speaker 1: to learn a bunch of math in school, and all
Speaker 1: we do now is just use calculators. Like you have
Speaker 1: a calculator on your phone, you have calculator in your watch,
Speaker 1: you have a calculare on your computer.
Speaker 2: Like it doesn't matter. You just punch things in. You
Speaker 2: don't really have to do the math at the end
Speaker 2: of the day.
Speaker 1: Like back in the day, we all thought like, oh,
Speaker 1: we can't use the clculars, we have to do it
Speaker 1: all by hand because we actually have to learn it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when it's like at the end of the day, no,
Speaker 1: you just use the calculator, the calculator as a tool
Speaker 1: to make you more efficient with things, you know. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe that's a bad analogy, maybe it's not.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 1: Then of course that just goes by the wayside. Because
Speaker 1: Maurice Hawkins got beat up in a poker which like
Speaker 1: there was a player, there was a video of a
Speaker 1: player fighting Maurice Hawkins in a poker game and it
Speaker 1: in a private game and it looked like a house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know where it was, but yeah there was.
Speaker 1: I think there was a second video that came out
Speaker 1: later on where like the first video looked like I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't know at the time when I was watching
Speaker 1: the video, but it looked like the guy basically jumped Maurice.
Speaker 1: That's what it looked like, because Maurice kind of wasn't
Speaker 1: fighting back and looked like he was caught off garden,
Speaker 1: was off balance. So maybe the guy like you know,
Speaker 1: blindsided him or you know, cold cocked him from the
Speaker 1: side or whatever it was. But then the other video
Speaker 1: was it seemed like it was after the first part
Speaker 1: where Maurice was like, I think he was saying stuff like,
Speaker 1: you know, come at me now type of thing, like
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm squared up, ready to go, as opposed
Speaker 1: to you know, coming at me from the side or
Speaker 1: jumping mirror or doing whatever. So so then that happened,
Speaker 1: which also turned into the whole Maurice Hawkins and Chat
Speaker 1: Holloway thing Chat Halloway from Pokerers and now Chad Is
Speaker 1: has openly invited Maurice Hawkins to come on.
Speaker 2: The Poker News podcast and talk about this.
Speaker 1: They might be the bodyguard tude in between them. I
Speaker 1: don't know if Ben Ludlow and Mike Holtz are gonna
Speaker 1: be able to do it. Shout out to those guys,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that would be something to see.
Speaker 3: So basically, think he's being invited several times and it's never.
Speaker 1: Basically the entire poker community on social media is a
Speaker 1: giant dumpster fire right now. I mean, if you like
Speaker 1: drama and entertainment and all that sort of stuff, I guess,
Speaker 1: get your popcorn and enjoy it. But but yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just absolutely wild. So that's all the that's all the
Speaker 1: drama that's been going down in the last two weeks
Speaker 1: or so. I'm sure we're going to see more of
Speaker 1: it over the next month, just with how much poker
Speaker 1: is happening on the other side of things. I will
Speaker 1: say that two things I'm excited for. One, I'm really
Speaker 1: digging Jeremy Osma's new vlog. I think it's awesome. I
Speaker 1: mostly like it because you're just getting raw insight and
Speaker 1: strategy from one of the absolute best poker players in
Speaker 1: the world, which is great. Because this is out there
Speaker 1: on YouTube and it is totally free. He's only done
Speaker 1: two episodes right now, but it's freaking great for somebody
Speaker 1: who wants to constantly try and get into the mind
Speaker 1: of these top players and learn from them. So if
Speaker 1: you guys haven't checked that out already, I would highly
Speaker 1: encourage you to go check out Jeremy Osmas's vlog on YouTube.
Speaker 1: It definitely also feels like one of those things where
Speaker 1: it's definitely unpolished. Yeah, I mean, you know, and you
Speaker 1: know in terms of like how good it looks, the editing,
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff work in progress. But I'm sure
Speaker 1: if you look back at like Brad Owen's first flog
Speaker 1: or whoever, like it probably wasn't the greatest thing in
Speaker 1: the world, right, So that's gonna come along. But the
Speaker 1: content self, the insight is a plus. The other thing
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to is now that it's December, now
Speaker 1: that it is WSB Paradise time, we get the negran
Speaker 1: new vlogs back already.
Speaker 3: Watch do you watch it today?
Speaker 1: I did not watch it today. I would know I
Speaker 1: did not watch it today. But I'm ready to go
Speaker 1: home and start binging those every single day. Straight from Paradise.
Speaker 1: Like I just he's the most popular, biggest, well known
Speaker 1: poker player in the world, and he puts out every
Speaker 1: single day of his poker playing. And it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's as opposed to Ozma's where Ozma's is more deeper
Speaker 1: into the strategy stuff. I mean Agrand who has some
Speaker 1: strategy stuff, yes, but it's just more generalized. And I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's just cool to peel back the curtain
Speaker 1: on that type of a list player. So I'm really
Speaker 1: happy that those two things are back.
Speaker 4: One other bug came out today. Oh yeah, Mario Muzzbuck.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah it yeah, I watched that. That was actually
Speaker 4: very good today as well. So okay, lots of high
Speaker 4: stakes pup vlogs.
Speaker 3: For you to watch this month.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really interesting because is it going to be
Speaker 1: a seth Davy's flog he's doing like the short film content.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's.
Speaker 2: Definitely doing the short form cunt.
Speaker 1: I mean he's been filming, you obviously know, so I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's going to actually go vlog or
Speaker 1: just continue with the short form sus. This stuff is
Speaker 1: great too, Like it's it's really really good. Some of
Speaker 1: it is a little kind of click baity, but I'm
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of I mean, I get what
Speaker 1: he's doing, I get it, but it's it's interesting that
Speaker 1: for a long time, like the the high Stakes players
Speaker 1: didn't really care to log. They just played, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's almost like they don't they didn't want to
Speaker 1: reveal stuff. They didn't want to give it out there.
Speaker 1: And not that not that Daniel was necessarily doing it,
Speaker 1: but you know, the people like Jeremy Osma, said Davies,
Speaker 1: et cetera, like Mario Moss Block, like that's it's really
Speaker 1: cool to see that. I've always thought for the longest
Speaker 1: time that Phil hellmu should have a vlog. That thing
Speaker 1: would absolutely positively do numbers. I don't care if he
Speaker 1: talks a single ounce of strategy, but like, just be
Speaker 1: the while Phil, yeah, and just do it on camera.
Speaker 1: And I feel like Phil is at the stage in
Speaker 1: his career where you would just hire someone be like, hey, buddy,
Speaker 1: follow me twenty four to seven.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna drop thirty seven thousand billionaire names in one episode.
Speaker 1: But but like people would eat that up, Like I
Speaker 1: cannot believe the content person, I mean, the marketing person
Speaker 1: in me cannot believe somebody who promotes promotes promotes like
Speaker 1: Phil Helmet does. Saw the vlog that Daniel mcgrown who
Speaker 1: does and doesn't do one himself, That to me is
Speaker 1: a huge miss. I mean, come on, Phil, like it's
Speaker 1: just incredible, Like it should happen. That would be great.
Speaker 1: And we're in the day the day and age now
Speaker 1: where you know, people are just creating their own content.
Speaker 1: So you know, I think you got to go out
Speaker 1: there and do it yourself. Someone else, I think, And
Speaker 1: he joked about it on social media, Jeremy Beck, let's
Speaker 1: go back to make a big walk.
Speaker 2: Let's let's go. Oh, I think we talked enough nonsense.
Speaker 3: We gotta do a draft though, Oh god, we do
Speaker 3: have to do a draft.
Speaker 1: Because I'm getting blown out of this stupid freaking draft
Speaker 1: that I put together that I thought I that I
Speaker 1: thought I was going to kick your freaking ass with
Speaker 1: and I was for a long time and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you just went nuts. But you like
Speaker 1: wanted to do something different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we should do something different just because
Speaker 4: we we didn't draft for Texas because you know, we
Speaker 4: had none of our players going. So I think for
Speaker 4: this one. We have two more series for the year,
Speaker 4: plus Super Higher roller Ball. I think we should do
Speaker 4: a draft for Paradise Fresh draft, five new faces, and
Speaker 4: then we'll do a one for Last Chance, completely new.
Speaker 4: So there's a Paradise and superher Paradise and Super High
Speaker 4: roller Ball and then Last Chance.
Speaker 3: Okay, so since you were trailing.
Speaker 1: Best pick as Yosa, all right, Jeremy Osmas, Really, Jeremy
Speaker 1: fucking Ozma's baby. I got two picks, right, let's go, Yes,
Speaker 1: two picks. Give me d Naggs, give me Alex Foxon. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be buried even more. That's great, uh, Jesse
Speaker 1: Lonis and and I have no fucking clue this guy's
Speaker 1: going anywhere.
Speaker 2: Sam's over.
Speaker 4: Oh that's who I was thinking. Good snot give me.
Speaker 4: It wasn't the guy that I thought of, but that's
Speaker 4: who I was gonna take. Stevie Chadwick, Isaac Hackson.
Speaker 1: I have no idea who's in the Bahamas. I've just
Speaker 1: been doing this event here. I have no idea what's
Speaker 1: going on down there. I mean, I guess I could
Speaker 1: just draft him. I mean it seems like a gambull.
Speaker 1: All right, whatever, Jason Kuhn, it's a good one. I mean,
Speaker 1: I have no idea if he's gonna play super Lev
Speaker 1: or what he's going to do with his life.
Speaker 4: I'm not even drafting for the one hundred k as much.
Speaker 4: I'm more drafting for Paradise. Yeah, true, but I mean,
Speaker 4: obviously I have some people that will probably play the
Speaker 4: hundred k bit I'm thinking just Paradise. This is only
Speaker 4: PGT events, yeah, the ones that Yeah, yes, only PGT events.
Speaker 2: I don't even remember what the PGT events are. I
Speaker 2: gotta right here.
Speaker 3: Let me read about to you real quick.
Speaker 4: You have the fifty k high roll that's as smart,
Speaker 4: ten k super PLO plusus, the twenty five k main event,
Speaker 4: the ten K EIGHTK mix, the fifty k PLO high Roller,
Speaker 4: and the twenty five k GG millions.
Speaker 2: All right, I guess I gotta go Sean Deep.
Speaker 3: God damn it, that was it.
Speaker 2: I guess I gotta go Sean Deep. You screwed it up.
Speaker 1: You read the list and I said, oh, those those
Speaker 1: actually fittingto Sean Deep's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I was not taking it. Okay, give me.
Speaker 4: Jossamou you only have one pick, by the way, No wait,
Speaker 4: no too, No, okay, away, hold.
Speaker 2: On exactly read my team again, the Grand New Fox
Speaker 2: and Chidwick.
Speaker 3: I mean Joe's going to play the Peelos. We played
Speaker 3: the mix.
Speaker 2: Joe is really good appeal.
Speaker 3: Definitely not taking Nick Shulman.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: He was the one that I was like, I don't
Speaker 2: even know what he's gonna do. Where is he? Do
Speaker 2: we even know he is there?
Speaker 4: I know exactly where he is. He's sitting in going
Speaker 4: down setting bedding lines for the bowling. Actually, I've heard
Speaker 4: that bowling is off for a while. That might mean
Speaker 4: he is going or at least focusing on the wind.
Speaker 1: Is it off because he's going, or is it off
Speaker 1: because everyone's fucking buried? Could be the It's most likely
Speaker 1: a combination of I've heard some people are buried in
Speaker 1: the bowling.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna stick with my my Brazilian pick John all right,
Speaker 4: all right, Joel, depending who you pick, I know who
Speaker 4: who my backup was.
Speaker 1: But I got Ozma's, Lona's Silver Roll, Coon and Deep.
Speaker 1: You got near New Fox and Chidwick, Hackston and SOMEU
Speaker 1: I was flirting with, you know, but he's there, you
Speaker 1: know in Dalla Sam's overall.
Speaker 4: But he might not play as big he might play it.
Speaker 4: Feel like because he's there, he's playing it. That's Mike
Speaker 4: News who knows.
Speaker 1: All right, I think that's it. How much here's a
Speaker 1: question for you.
Speaker 4: How much do you think you'll spend in the next
Speaker 4: three weeks playing poker twenty one?
Speaker 3: Are you serious? Are you playing the main event?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: How do you get to twenty you rich?
Speaker 2: I mean eight bolts and WPT prime. Okay, that's a
Speaker 2: K eighty eight hundred.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, it's eleven hundred, eight eight hundred.
Speaker 1: There's a twenty two hundred dollars at Venetian the poker event,
Speaker 1: a million dollar guaranteed.
Speaker 2: There, yep, there's I'm playing.
Speaker 5: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not planning to play the WPT World Championship the
Speaker 1: ten k. By the way, it was a funny tweet
Speaker 1: that Eric Baldwin had, you know, like I love mysteries,
Speaker 1: I love quests, but I like a big guaranteed ten
Speaker 1: care or something like that, like which was way better.
Speaker 1: Of course, I we'll play the eleven dollar, one hundred
Speaker 1: c guarantee satellite, but that happens on the same day
Speaker 1: that I want to play the twenty two hundred dollars
Speaker 1: Venetian which that event that twenty two hundred dollar at
Speaker 1: Venetian million dollar guarantee. I mean, that's a fucking stretch
Speaker 1: for them. Like that's a big Like it only has
Speaker 1: two day ones. The first day one happens on day
Speaker 1: one d of prime, so like that's I mean, that's
Speaker 1: like a that's a reach. I mean, listen, I love
Speaker 1: to see it. I'm all for no fake guarantees, you
Speaker 1: know I am, But that is that's gonna be something.
Speaker 1: So we'll see how that one goes. So, yeah, that
Speaker 1: eleven hundred dollars one about twelve twelve one.
Speaker 2: There is.
Speaker 1: There's another two million dollar guarantee eleven hundred as part
Speaker 1: of the WPT series.
Speaker 2: So there's that gonna put two bullets in that. I mean,
Speaker 2: hopefully I don't put you three.
Speaker 1: After Christmas, Venetian has like this New Year's series in
Speaker 1: combination with the MSPT there's a sixty hundred dollars five
Speaker 1: hundred K guarantee to well I don't know about this one,
Speaker 1: and it.
Speaker 2: Goes into the next year.
Speaker 1: Like there's like a twenty two hundred like right after
Speaker 1: the New Year, which I haven't This isn't even in
Speaker 1: this package that I put together because I don't know.
Speaker 2: We can talk about this next. I'll tell you in
Speaker 2: a second. But hold on.
Speaker 1: So I have that, there's like and then there's like
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's like a two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: k either a six hundred and eight hundred, like, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff in there. I mean, hold on,
Speaker 1: I have a right here because I have my package up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: eight bolts in that twenty two hundred. That oh, there's
Speaker 1: at the win there's a sixteen hundred dollars one million
Speaker 1: dollar guarantee.
Speaker 3: So there's that. It's a lot of events.
Speaker 1: There's that eleven hundred. Oh, the the five hundred k
Speaker 1: evnation is an eleven hundred, not a sixteen hundred. Sorry,
Speaker 1: So yeah, the package comes to twenty one thousand, five
Speaker 1: hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: I've only mean, I'm not even gonna spend like four K.
Speaker 1: But but I'm but I'm giving myself. Man, how many
Speaker 1: bullts do I have here? Nineteen bullets?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I mean she gets some Yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: just backprime deck.
Speaker 1: Last package I played, I got fucking zero. So like
Speaker 1: what you know, I mean, I hope I do well,
Speaker 1: but you never know. Aria has the series here. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: they have their main event is I believe a sixteen
Speaker 1: hundred dollar main event. I think it's two day ones
Speaker 1: and then a day two five hundred K guarantee. You know,
Speaker 1: I I want to play that. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I will, but yeah, there's a lot of stuff that's
Speaker 1: going on in the city. It's also one of those
Speaker 1: things where like I've written these events down in my schedule.
Speaker 1: These are like the targets that I'm gonna play, but
Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's say I bag the first day
Speaker 1: of Prime Perfect and I have all that extra money,
Speaker 1: like I might just find other stuff because like there's
Speaker 1: so much stuff for.
Speaker 3: Some sound day events here at Aria, So that's probably.
Speaker 1: There's single single day stuff here at Aria. There's stuff
Speaker 1: at Venetian, there's the resorts. It's like there's shit literally everywhere.
Speaker 1: There's stuff every I think every night at the Win
Speaker 1: because I played some of these last year, they have
Speaker 1: like in eleven hundred dollars buying like two hundred k
Speaker 1: turbo basically, like it's just like this is NonStop poker.
Speaker 1: I mean it's bananas here in the month of December.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I'm gonna try and go. Now,
Speaker 1: my question is, I have no idea what's gonna happen
Speaker 1: next year with this tax thing. I honestly have no idea.
Speaker 1: I hear I talk to one person there, you know,
Speaker 1: roses and rainbows and fucking unicorns, like it's gonna be cool,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fine, it might get fixed, who cares.
Speaker 1: I talk to other people and everyone's like totally doom
Speaker 1: and gloom. I'm not playing anything above two K. I'm
Speaker 1: only gonna play on offshore sites or crypto sites or
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. I'm only gonna play cash games,
Speaker 1: like you know. So I have no idea what to expect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I personally don't want to like break even on a
Speaker 1: year and have to pay a lot more money in taxes.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that, you know, as much
Speaker 1: as I love playing poker tournaments and that's what I
Speaker 1: want to play, I mean I can't. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: basically getting hit with another ten percent of rate, which
Speaker 1: is insane.
Speaker 2: So I don't. I have no idea what to expect.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's one of those things where like I
Speaker 1: look at it and I say, you know what, I'll
Speaker 1: just bite the bullet because if if the players that
Speaker 1: play at my level of buy ins regularly, the pros
Speaker 1: opt to not play the tournaments because of the taxes,
Speaker 1: because those type of guys, you know, they I don't
Speaker 1: put in the volume that they do, right, So maybe
Speaker 1: they they because they put in such a high volume.
Speaker 1: Look at Jeremy Becker for example. You know I'm out
Speaker 1: there playing to see him in all the tournaments, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, how much does he spend in buyings a
Speaker 1: year at like the let's say three K and let's
Speaker 1: say six hundred to three K buying level, he probably
Speaker 1: spends fucking three hund K and buyt say, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: fifty at least. So for somebody like him, is he
Speaker 1: gonna play all those tournaments again? Because if he breaks
Speaker 1: even on let's say three under K and byens, he
Speaker 1: can only write off two seventy, so he gets taxed
Speaker 1: on that thirty K difference, Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So so those players maybe they don't play, which what
Speaker 1: I'm getting at is then because if you have less
Speaker 1: Jeremi Becker's in the field, the field is just a
Speaker 1: bunch of recreationals that play like me.
Speaker 2: Now, whether they're serious or not.
Speaker 1: I would consider myself a serious recreational, you know, which
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you're not. When I say recreational, I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily mean a bad player. I just mean somebody
Speaker 1: that doesn't put in a ton of volume. You know,
Speaker 1: you play between let's say ten to forty events a year.
Speaker 1: It just I think it makes the field a little
Speaker 1: bit softer. So do I then just bite the bullet
Speaker 1: and play in those events because the field might be
Speaker 1: a little bit softer?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Also, does the fact that if if it does turn
Speaker 1: out that less players are playing tournaments, do guarantees go down?
Speaker 2: Is it less lucrative to get out there? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I have no fucking idea what to expect.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the casinos, the operators will have to
Speaker 4: kind of adjust guarantees. My viewpoint is that the Super Rex,
Speaker 4: you know, if they're going to have big scores, I
Speaker 4: don't think they're going to change their play until the
Speaker 4: next year when they get hit with the Texas. I
Speaker 4: don't think they ahead of it. I don't think they're
Speaker 4: thinking about it. They're just playing to play. They're not
Speaker 4: even aware of the tax changes. The more accomplished res.
Speaker 4: I think that would I would put kind of you know,
Speaker 4: the more aware rex, I'd say that's me. I don't
Speaker 4: think they'll do that much difference because it's hard to
Speaker 4: hit those you know, those taxable amounts, So I think
Speaker 4: that will say the same. I think the highest stakes
Speaker 4: people will probably not play as much or really value huntings.
Speaker 4: So the random, you know, high roller events may not
Speaker 4: be as good. But the ones with a lot of
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: The bigger the the bigger the field, I think those
Speaker 1: will kind of stay, you know the same. It's also
Speaker 1: one of those things where like I saw like Dinatitis,
Speaker 1: who's the center? Do I believe for Nevada? She had
Speaker 1: a whole thing out there. She's trying to get it changed.
Speaker 1: You know, the post that she put out there on
Speaker 1: social media has well over a million views on it.
Speaker 1: Like she's doing her work, okay, to try and get
Speaker 1: it changed because it's it's not fair, and I think
Speaker 1: she's calling the amendment like the Fair Bed Act and whatever.
Speaker 1: But then you see Tony Dunst like quote tweet her thing,
Speaker 1: and you know he's talking about how like how he
Speaker 1: thinks it's going to go Basically that it's bad, you
Speaker 1: have pads, Patrick Leonard putting the whole thing out on
Speaker 1: his Instagram. How it's a you know, all that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. Now, what I'm getting at is people see
Speaker 1: people like Tony Dunsk Patrick Kleander, like the big names
Speaker 1: talking about how bad it is, and people are cheap,
Speaker 1: they will follow. So like the regular person might be like,
Speaker 1: well this person said it was bad, so it's bad.
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna play like, so does that happen?
Speaker 1: You know, just like when we talked about how like
Speaker 1: remember it was like, hey, the pros need to stop
Speaker 1: wearing hoodies and sunglasses because all the recreationals just copy
Speaker 1: the pros. Like you just see what the pros do.
Speaker 1: You hear what the pros say, and you just think, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna follow that. So I mean, yes, the
Speaker 1: bill fucking sucks. It absolutely sucks that it's happening too.
Speaker 1: So I have no idea what's going to go on.
Speaker 4: There isn't there is a chance that you know it
Speaker 4: although it's in plant for IIA, it could be retroactively
Speaker 4: removed as in like and then it doesn't you know,
Speaker 4: you don't have to do your taxes until twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 4: So that is that kind of out for us. And
Speaker 4: my other thing is like, to be honest, what are
Speaker 4: these guys going to do if you're a lost fake,
Speaker 4: if you're a Jeremy Becka who actually like I just
Speaker 4: found out, just bought a computer.
Speaker 3: Online events and finished.
Speaker 1: But I was literally with him when he was like
Speaker 1: gonna buy the computer. We were at Venetian. He comes
Speaker 1: over to me. He's like, we're playing something I don't
Speaker 1: know with some eight hundred or some ship and he's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I think I'm gonna go buy a computer.
Speaker 1: I was like, WHOA, Like you're gonna He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go buy one. He's like can
Speaker 1: I So like if I buy one?
Speaker 2: Can I just like? How do I get on SP?
Speaker 3: Can? I just?
Speaker 2: I was like, first of all, you can get on
Speaker 2: w SP right now on your phone.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh you can, like, buddy, yes, open the
Speaker 1: app store and I had to get I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: type in WIP, Yes, it's that one right there. You know,
Speaker 1: real money in ne battle like sign up you're in? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So he's he's in. He said he played two events
Speaker 1: to Brace two circuit events and finished ninth and night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, so Jeremie Becker's what Jeremy Becker day. I mean,
Speaker 1: the thing is is like something much difference. I mean,
Speaker 1: those players, like I don't I don't know exactly what
Speaker 1: they're gonna do, but I feel like a fair amount
Speaker 1: of them might go play cash. Not that he but
Speaker 1: like maybe they all just go play cash, which kind
Speaker 1: of makes the cast game shitty because now it's a
Speaker 1: bunch of good players. So it's it's, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I like the competition of tournaments. I like
Speaker 1: being able to chase like a first place prize and
Speaker 1: hopefully get to that. Like, I like tournaments a lot better.
Speaker 1: You know. Another thing is like again, people stop playing
Speaker 1: on sites that are tracked, They play on crypto sites,
Speaker 1: off shore sites, et cetera, like all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: which I don't want to do that you know, I
Speaker 1: probably won't, you know, So I don't know. It's it's
Speaker 1: just it's annoying and it's frustrating that it's happening. But
Speaker 1: it's happening and it's about to be here. So part
Speaker 1: of my playing this month is like, well, maybe this
Speaker 1: is just one last fucking Hurrah and let's just go
Speaker 1: out with a bang.
Speaker 2: Fuck it, Like who cares?
Speaker 1: You know. The other part of me is like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen next year. I mean
Speaker 1: we've even talked about it on the pgt Are we
Speaker 1: gonna have to scale back buy ins and kind of
Speaker 1: change the way we structure the tour If higher buying
Speaker 1: players aren't frequenting those price points as much, who knows.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I want to always
Speaker 1: believe that no matter what happens, poker will always be there,
Speaker 1: no matter what, Like it'll always be like we joked,
Speaker 1: you know, there was a joke what three, four or
Speaker 1: five years ago everyone was always say, Poker's dead, Poker's dead,
Speaker 1: Poker's dead. Like, Poker's not dead, Poker's not going anywhere,
Speaker 1: you know. But at the end of the day, you
Speaker 1: still have to worry about your own bottom line. And
Speaker 1: you know, it's not easy now to play live and
Speaker 1: fight the rake and all that sort of stuff. The
Speaker 1: lower volume that you're able to get in live and whatnot, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe you can make up for some of it because
Speaker 1: live poker is a bit softer than online. But now
Speaker 1: you've got to worry about again another ten percent rake,
Speaker 1: which just sucks. So I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. And yeah, I mean I'm definitely
Speaker 1: like I already know that. Like there's like there's some
Speaker 1: big stuff happening in January, like right away, like the
Speaker 1: win announced there.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what.
Speaker 1: It's called full signature series. It's one of their signature series.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it has a name, but they
Speaker 1: have they have one of those like happened, Like, am
Speaker 1: I just gonna like show up to win and just
Speaker 1: start blasting again?
Speaker 2: Like I don't know.
Speaker 4: I might.
Speaker 1: I'm probably just gonna play like a wait and see
Speaker 1: approach and I don't know, so we'll see. Or maybe
Speaker 1: I can just win a million dollars in December and
Speaker 1: say the hell with it?
Speaker 2: Who cares?
Speaker 1: I mean, that would be good. That's you know, that
Speaker 1: would be a good plan. Just win WPT Prime and
Speaker 1: you know, then nothing matters.
Speaker 2: But it just kind of sucks.
Speaker 1: So but I mean, we talk about our results, and
Speaker 1: we will on this podcast in a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: when the year's over, Like I'm not like winning a
Speaker 1: bunch of money playing poker tournaments every year. I mean,
Speaker 1: this year I might be up because I had the
Speaker 1: WSB Main Event run. But like, so I'm in that
Speaker 1: camp of like, if I break even, I can only
Speaker 1: write off the ninety percent, which sucks.
Speaker 4: I think if I play the full slate of events
Speaker 4: that I'm planning this coming few weeks, I think I'll
Speaker 4: be and break I think I'll be break even for
Speaker 4: the year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but next year you would have to pay tax
Speaker 1: on you know, you can only write off the ninety
Speaker 1: percent if that same thing happened next year, if I
Speaker 1: have I'm saying taxable results, but I'm saying that's what
Speaker 1: we're all looking at ahead of times, which is just
Speaker 1: it's just annoying.
Speaker 4: If you cash for four k in every event, four
Speaker 4: k profit, nothing goes to the irs.
Speaker 2: If you cash for four k, well you're going to
Speaker 2: get to the pay dem and just bust.
Speaker 4: No, what I'm saying is, if you play like Venetian
Speaker 4: eight hundreds to hit taxable amounts is basically you have
Speaker 4: the final table every time. But if you play a
Speaker 4: ten k high roller, yeah, I'm in cash is taxable
Speaker 4: amount right, Yeah, I understand. So, Like I think the
Speaker 4: lowest and like it pretty much.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to win money.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to win money and then hopefully offset it
Speaker 1: with my losses to at worst case scenario, you know,
Speaker 1: mitigate the losses, maybe break even, you know, at the
Speaker 1: chance of hitting a big score.
Speaker 4: But it's also a winning You're gonna have winnings that
Speaker 4: are untaxed. I understand, but I mean you can have
Speaker 4: losses to ride off.
Speaker 3: So like the I mean, we're not We're not smart
Speaker 3: enough to figure this stuff out.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like I all, all I know
Speaker 1: at this point is like I don't know which is annoying.
Speaker 1: Like the part that I don't know is annoyed because
Speaker 1: you talk to some people and it's like it's not
Speaker 1: gonna matter, it's gonna be the same whatever. You talk
Speaker 1: to other people, it's like, well, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: play this, that and the other thing. You know, it's
Speaker 1: gonna kind of suck. So I just don't know. I
Speaker 1: would rather just, you know, not have to deal with
Speaker 1: this stuff and just be able to play some freaking poker.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, it's hard enough to have to go
Speaker 1: out there and play poker with all these places that
Speaker 1: are raising rake all the time and all this sort
Speaker 1: of stuff like that. That's hard enough, So can the
Speaker 1: government not make it harder too? I mean, come on, like,
Speaker 1: you know, so hopefully things get changed. It would be
Speaker 1: great if they did. I don't know if they are,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean we'll see.
Speaker 2: So that's that, all right? You got anything else?
Speaker 3: No, we need some We just need some luck this month.
Speaker 2: Some luck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, you definitely some fucking luck. Last series I played,
Speaker 1: I literally went over. I mean I I played the
Speaker 1: NAPT Las Vegas main event. I was out in Level one.
Speaker 1: That was fucking glorious. I was out in level one
Speaker 1: of the Poker Stars Open that they had. Then I
Speaker 1: Stone fucking bubbled that same tournament. Re entered and stone
Speaker 1: bubbled the tournament, just absolutely stupid. So that whole series
Speaker 1: was just effing spectacular for me. And yeah, here I
Speaker 1: am ready to go again. Baby, let's freaking go. But
Speaker 1: like I was thinking today actually on the way in,
Speaker 1: when I was driving in, I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: because like I was, I was, I talked about my schedule, right.
Speaker 1: I tried to like map out the whole schedule. There's
Speaker 1: way too much stuff. Basically, I've been telling like some
Speaker 1: of my investors for this one. You know, normally I
Speaker 1: do like kind of reserve the right to like put
Speaker 1: any unusable it's like back into stuff. But I'll I'll
Speaker 1: usually always ask be like, hey, guys, like, what do
Speaker 1: you think I have these unusable? Should I go do
Speaker 1: this whatever? Now I'm basically being like I might not ask.
Speaker 1: I might just go do it, Like I might bust
Speaker 1: a turna and be like, oh, well there's this over here,
Speaker 1: I'll just go over there and play. Yeah, like I'm
Speaker 1: just going to try and like basically be a poker
Speaker 1: pro for a month and see how it goes. So
Speaker 1: either I'm going to show up here on December twentieth,
Speaker 1: which is my birthday for super high Rollable Working, or
Speaker 1: December nineteen, I'm gonna tell you guys to fuck off
Speaker 1: because I'm rich.
Speaker 3: That's what you buy in on Dember twenty. That's cool.
Speaker 3: I would never buy it.
Speaker 2: I would never buy it.
Speaker 1: I if I won WPT prime that's not enough and
Speaker 1: could sell eighty percent of my action, I might blast it.
Speaker 1: If you could sell eighty percent and just fire over
Speaker 1: twenty for like you know, with ships and giggles, like
Speaker 1: just one one point five million, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: Maybe two Yeah, like that'd be like, you know, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Like why not at that point?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the year you can still write off
Speaker 1: one hundred percent, so you might as well you.
Speaker 3: Know, oh yeah, good punt.
Speaker 1: Yet it exactly so, which is also why you know,
Speaker 1: we are like, what what do you think we're gonna
Speaker 1: get for super high rollable. I'm like, well, might just
Speaker 1: get a bunch of freaking blasters at the end of
Speaker 1: the year, one lasserraw type of thing. So anyway, but
Speaker 1: what I was saying is that as I was driving
Speaker 1: in here and I was thinking about my schedule, I
Speaker 1: was like very happy with the fact that I'm like
Speaker 1: I have the itch and the motivation to just want
Speaker 1: to play and hopefully do my best. And I'm happy
Speaker 1: that I got that back because sometimes you're like I
Speaker 1: don't want to play, I don't want to do it,
Speaker 1: And now I'm just like, I want to play, I
Speaker 1: want to go, I want to grind, I want to
Speaker 1: you know whatever.
Speaker 2: So yeah, awesome, all right, that's gonna do it for us.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: His name is Tim Duckworth, my name is Donnie Peters,
Speaker 1: and we will talk to you guys hopefully in a week,
Speaker 1: but we'll see. I think after Christmas.
Speaker 2: No, we got to do at least one or two
Speaker 2: before Christmas.
Speaker 1: For sure. We'll do one after I win WPT Prime. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: for sure. Well here's what we'll do. We'll do one
Speaker 1: when I make the final table of Prime because then
Speaker 1: there's like a week off, and then one after I win. Okay,
Speaker 1: So those will be the two. All right, it sounds perfect, right.
Speaker 1: Or we can do one about how I'm broke and
Speaker 1: I need to do a go fund it and instot
Speaker 1: nineteen ad raids to China.
Speaker 2: You go exactly all right, that's gonna do it for us.
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you guys.
Speaker 3: Let's say yeah, chen Express