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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the

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Poker Go over Go Podcast. My name is Donny Peters.

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His name is Tim Duckworth. How are you good?

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Speaker 2: Great?

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Speaker 1: Another new setting for the podcast right in front of

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this lovely led screen. Just wrapped up the PGT true

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classic Rags, two riches, not really an agenda on today's show.

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Last time, we talked about how we wanted to hit

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on some stuff before we were abruptly kicked out of

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our studio. But we'll hit on some of those topics.

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But I don't know, kind of unprepared, kind of just

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going to be firing from the hip. But maybe that'll

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produce a good show.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll see.

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Speaker 1: We'll let producer rich Ryan tell us if this was

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good or bad, and then we're gonnajus going forward. Yeah,

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how's that sound to you?

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Speaker 3: Good for me?

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Speaker 1: You're not very lively today. Not enough coffee today, not

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enough coffee, And I tried to get you to go

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get more coffee, and you're like, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: So that's probably my fault, that's what I'm.

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Speaker 1: Probably your coke. It is Friday, December fifth, It is

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six eleven pm. And because it is Friday, December fifth,

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you've got a few days left to head on over

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to play poker Go. Play poker go dot com. You

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Allline poker. It's free, and do that before December tenth

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so you can get automatically entered to win a dream

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seat into the PGT Million Dollar Championship. That drawing is

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going to happen on December eleventh, So you got a

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couple of days left to get in there, play that freehand,

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and then hopefully you're coming out here to Las Vegas,

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to the pork Gro Studio and competing in that event.

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First place is going to be five hundred thousand dollars.

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The top six are going to pay out. There's going

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to be what fifty four entries fifty four, Yeah, so

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you've got a really damn good shot of like actually

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winning that tournament. You know, it's not like we're you're

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coming out here to play a two thousand player field

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or something like that. No legitimate shot nopeburch is necessary.

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Of course, must be twenty one or older in the

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US resident to enter. Full details can be found at

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poker groat dot com slash rules. All right, first things first,

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what'd you think of this True Classic event?

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Speaker 3: It was good. It was fun.

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Speaker 4: Having the you know, fifteen True Classic giveaway winners in

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the field. I think attracted a you know, some new

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faces and new names into the Progo studio to play.

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Obviously we have the ten seats guaranteed in the satellite

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end up getting.

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Speaker 3: A maybeing one of them as well.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 4: So that was obviously good, you know, attracting some new

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people and everything here.

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Speaker 3: And it was a different event. It was. It was

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our first three K no limit hold them event here in.

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Speaker 4: The studio, so that that was a good thing to

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break through, to break the ice. And I think kind of, hey,

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maybe we do you know, a few more three ks

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on the PGT in the twenty twenty sixth season.

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Speaker 3: I think there's an avatite for him.

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Speaker 4: We saw what was one hundred odd players on Day

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one B so hey, you know, I feel like that's

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probably what we could expect if we did more of

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these in a time slot where we can have the

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full attention of our playable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 1: Timeslot was something you know, we'll want to maybe improve

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upon for next year. There are always things that we

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want to improve upon for the next time around. Speaking

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with Ryan Bartlett, co founder of True Classic, he's gung

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ho on this event, trying to go bigger and better

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with it. He was pumped to be here. He was

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out here for the last two days. He got to

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meet a lot of those fifteen qualifiers or fifteen giveaway

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winners that you mentioned. Two of them cashed, Mark Anthony

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Debello cash for twelve k. James Anderson cashed for eight k,

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so good on them, and yeah, they did well with everything.

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So you know, two out of fifteen not bad. A

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couple of the players you saw, Luke Burnham took a

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horrible beat. Was a King's births as king for like

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the chip lead on day one beat, Yeah exactly, So

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you know, stuff like that breaks the other way and

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maybe we got some more people going deep. But all

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in all, I think it was a good event, a

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good foundational start to everything. And then of course you

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know we'll we'll go from there and we'll grow as

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we go. And then speaking of Ryan Bartlett, we were

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able to speak with him after the event ended. Did

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a little interview with him, talked with him about the promotion,

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the giveaway, the event as a whole, true classic giving back,

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all that sort of stuff. So let's hear from Ryan

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right now, and then we will come on back on

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Speaker 5: I mean, you guys know that we are really big

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in the philanthropy, really big into giving, and you know,

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since we're already partnered with Poker Go, it just made

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sense to figure out how to bring value to some

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people in the poker community that you know, we could

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help put them into a tournament and make some money.

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So it was kind of the perfect combination of like

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a little bit of philanthropy mixed with a little bit

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of gambling, and you get this rexter Wig a tournament.

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I mean, I still secretly wish that I could have

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made it work some way somehow, but I just was

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not good enough. I Mean, these guys are the pros, obviously,

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but I'm such a gambler at heart. I gamble a

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lot in business. I take a lot of big bets

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and have a high risk tolerance.

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Speaker 2: So I still have that.

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Speaker 5: Poker player in me to this day. It just plays

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out very differently in the business world than at the

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Poker Table.

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Speaker 2: I just hope that they know that we're here to.

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Speaker 5: Show up for the community in one way or the other,

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whether it's the poker tournaments or giving out free credit

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or whatever we figure out to give back to the community.

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I just want to continue to be one of those

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brands it just shows up some way, somehow, other than

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just being another branded sponsor. I mean, within the poker community,

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there's a lot to give. I mean, there's a lot

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of things we can do. I think the tournament was

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a good start. I want to brainstorm for the World

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Series next year on what we can do to show up.

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I know a couple of years prior, we tried to

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show up with gift bags and things that the players

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would need at the World Series that would help them

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get to their day. So, you know, it's gonna be

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more tournaments, more ways to give. I don't know, we'll

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see where it goes, but I'm gonna rely on you

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guys to how brainstorm.

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Speaker 2: It all right.

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Speaker 1: That was true Classic co founder Ryan Barlett, a former

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poker player in his own right, but as he'll tell you,

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poker didn't quite go so well for him, and then

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he went on to get involved into some other businesses,

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and eventually True Classic took off, and you know, now

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it's basically taking over the world as it's taking over

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the Poker Go studio. So it's good to get brands

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like this involved in poker. I feel like it's few

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and far between these days too. It to one to

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just get sponsors to care about poker like they once did, right,

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that's like the first hurdle, and then also get sponsors

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involved that are tied to poker. They have poker roots,

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they want to give back, they want to do good

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things and also something that can benefit poker players. I mean,

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he gave a lot of value, you know to the

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fifteen giveaway winners got to come out here.

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Speaker 2: They're into five thousand dollars package.

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Speaker 1: They played in the thirty three hundred dollar event, they

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got three nights at Aria, they got flights, that sort

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of stuff. They also got True Classic gear. Even today,

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you know, Ryan's hitting me up before the stream starts

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and he's like, hey, I got twenty five one hundred

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dollars codes. Let's give him out on the stream to

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the fans, you know, do that sort of stuff, like,

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I mean, he really does want to give back as

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much as possible to the poker community, and he really

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wants to help people to chase their dreams. So that's great.

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You know, It's it's one thing to get a sponsor

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out here and slap their logo on stuff, but it's

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great to really get that integration, that engagement through it all. So,

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you know, I'm very pleased with everything and being able

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to work with True Classic because you know, they see

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the vision that we're trying to create here and that's

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that's always fun to have.

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Speaker 2: So sweet. You got any final thoughts on the event?

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Speaker 4: I guess we can talk a little bit about the

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Speaker 1: Was a pg That's why it was called the PGT

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True Classic. Rags, two riches.

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Speaker 4: Two kind of people. I'm going to talk about one

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Michael Wang final type.

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Speaker 1: And we should quickly before you get to that, we

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should say that Daniel Maher won the event about thousand dollars. Yeah,

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he also won a thirty thousand dollars package to play

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in the WSB Paradise Super Main event. He at sixty

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million dollars guaranteed event, which will be a PGT qualifying event.

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There are six events as part of WSB Paradise that

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are PGT qualifying, the first of which kicks off on Saturday,

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Speaker 4: So speaking of Dan though, yeah, he's won three huge

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events massive shout Out, Massive event in the last eighty months,

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two now in this very room, right, one being obviously

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the PGT True Classic Rags to Riches. He also won

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the ben MGM Championship that was last year. Yeah, in

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the last eighteen months. Oh yeah, sorry, And he also

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won his first bracelet at last years he.

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Speaker 1: Did, and I did not know that that bracelet was

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one of the online to Live hybrid events. Yeah, the

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hybrid yeah, which you know, there's obviously every time ws

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Speaker 2: Like all that sort of stuff?

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Speaker 1: Right, as far as I'm concerned, a bracelet is a

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bracelet as long as the operator says it's a bracelet.

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That's my stance these days. I do think though, that

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all the online bracelets I think should just be online

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to live like that.

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Speaker 4: That.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's that's my solution there, all of them,

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all of them should be No I know, but okay,

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is that if you atta packet with the fact that

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they need to be online to live, then you're gonna

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have fewer of them online, you know what I mean,

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because you're not gonna want to do, like you said,

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sixty two one hundred online to live events. But you

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could do a dozen. You could do twenty throughout the year.

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some for the summer stuff you know that plays online

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to live of course during the summer, and then you

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could also do some that play like in the fall

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when they do the one here in the States on

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WSP dot com and they do them on gd Poker,

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and you could end up in paradise. Why can't you

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do that? Oh that's a good way, you know, like that,

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and that's how you do it. And then maybe you

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get I don't know, maybe you do fifteen in the summer,

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fifteen in the fall between the two markets, you get

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thirty total or something and you go about that. Or

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you could even do something where it's like maybe you

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do the live stuff at w SP Europe, right, you know,

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because they do have these three live ten pole events

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that they could drive people too, you know. And then

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and then also maybe like when it comes to w

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SP Paradise for example, you know, maybe they get some

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more people in that SUPERMANI men. You know, maybe they

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get them blasting down there, so all that sort of stuff.

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with the with the online stuff. I mean, listen, online

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poker is super fucking hard, but people are like, I

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don't know who I'm playing against, I don't know what

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they're doing. All this sort of stuff. Well, at least

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if you get them at the final table in a

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live setting, it's there, it's live, it's in the flesh, right,

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So yeah, I don't know that kind of thought about

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that today, but you know, we'll see how it goes.

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But w SPE Paradise is coming up anyway.

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Speaker 4: Put the PGT three people are gonna talk about real quick.

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Neil Warren, he Cash. He moved up to eightieth, but

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he's got seven hundred and four points. He is right

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in that striking distance from that top.

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Speaker 3: Forty.

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Speaker 4: Sam Laskwitz min Cash he moved up. He leaped from

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Dennis wise Brace, the winner from this world series. Most

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importantly for Sam is he's forty eighth on the lead aboard.

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Why that he's right there because that's technically with out

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little rules fortieth when you take out the eligibility must

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cast three times, he's actually when you remove those players

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such as Michael Musrahi, John Woznik, some of those guys,

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he's now fortieth, so he's in, but obviously lots more

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events to come. And the final person Michael Wang Final Table,

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the event he leaped up over Dylan Lindy. He's now

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seventeenth on the PGT leader board, twelve hundred and eighty.

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Would say he's probably locked in to qualify for the

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PGT Million Dollar Championship. But that was the three big

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movers from Yeah, the true Classic, Rags Riches.

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Speaker 1: And then in this event. You know, with everything that

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we did here trying to promote it as much as

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possible live streaming at et cetera, I felt like this

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kind of kicked off the month of December in a

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lot of ways. It's a huge month here for poker

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in Las Vegas and around the world. With everything that's

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going on again, WISP Paradise, you got EPT Prague that's happening.

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So there's a lot of stuff happening. Tim and I

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are going to be out there battling quite a bit,

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see if we can make some things happen as we

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close out the year. So you know, maybe we'll have

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a couple podcast before we turn the calendar over to

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twenty twenty six and kind of talk about it all.

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Speaker 4: But we'll see how we need to do annual uh

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perka Rica we do.

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Speaker 3: We do talk about next years.

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Speaker 1: Go I feel like I have to tick off like

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nine more of them. I feel like I haven't done

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what I wanted to.

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Speaker 4: I'm already said, you probably said shitty goals go back

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and listen.

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Speaker 2: I don't know to the cash in an event.

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Speaker 1: Wow, problem, my goals are pretty I mean, I don't

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remember what I don't even remember what our goals were.

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I remember I went back. So yeah, okay, we'll.

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Speaker 3: Touch on it, like you know, around New Year's Eve.

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Speaker 1: So I did want to touch on some of these

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other events that happened around the world in the last

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month or so. First and foremost, this APT Championship event

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that happened in where did it happened Taiwan, Taiwan. I

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mean this event like it kind of came out of nowhere,

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like I knew it was going to be happening, yeah right,

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and I knew it was a laft The event, the

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main event itself was a ten k us freeze out,

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freeze five million dollars guarantee, okay, which is I mean,

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that's lofty by today's standards, especially when from what I recall,

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I don't think they've ever done an event like that

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big of a buy in for like their main event.

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They were usually smaller I think, and that could be

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wrong there, but anyway, all of a sudden, it's like

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this Championship event is all over social media, it's getting

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streamed like there's a lot of stuff happening. There's a

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lot of players that made their way there. So it

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was like boom, all a sudden done when it comes

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to the Championship main events, six hundred and seventy one entry,

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so they did hit the guarantee, five million dollars were guaranteed.

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Of course, they got over that with the six seventy

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one in the field again freeze out, freeze out, which

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is just absolutely freaking wild India's Nishant Sharma won the

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event for almost one point two.

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Speaker 2: You and I were joking. You text me, You're like,

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should we go next year?

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Speaker 3: I want to hunt?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like kind of the reason the like for me

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talking about this event isn't so much about like talking

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about the results and like who won, like you know,

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shout out to Sharma for winning more than one point

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two million dollars, like that's awesome. But for me, the

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story here is like this event is now firmly on

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the map, like it I mean, it's like you and

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I are talking about, listen, should we plan for a

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trip next November? A lot of players, same sort of thing.

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I tried to do some reach out to various players

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to see how it was there, you know. Dylan Lindy

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said that he deeply enjoyed his first Asian Poker Tour experience.

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He said that the whole schedule had a wide range

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of well structured high rollers to mixed games to large,

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large guaranteed freeze outs, which is, you know, that's pretty

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cool to say. Hal Rotholds was over there as well.

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He said he's played a few of these events over

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the years, but he's glad to see what the APT

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brought this year with his events, especially as a mixed

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game player, so you know, again echoing with Dylan, Lindy said,

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as it really to the mixed games. A. J. Kelsaw

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another mixed game player. He was over there. I think

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he won a mixed game event as well, so you know,

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he had a good friend over there. He was happy with,

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like the people and how they welcomed you, and the

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hospitality and all that sort of stuff. He said, I

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highly recommend the APT series next November in Type A

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for anyone who wants to visit Asia while playing some poker.

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The events were well planned, the staff was outstanding, and

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the operation ran super smoothly with no lines or weights,

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et cetera. Anthony, who who Final Table DPGT True Classic

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Rags to Riches basically must have got off the plane

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and came right here because he was over there doing

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some stuff.

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Speaker 3: He said.

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Speaker 1: It was a very good vibe over there. The fields

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weren't as competitive as the US, which is good if

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you're value hunting. They have no cash games, according to him,

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so they have very like good structures and well structured

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tournaments that allows them to do that. He did say

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the rake was pretty high though, so so you know,

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he said it can be as high as fifteen percent

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and ten percent for the high rollers.

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Speaker 2: So you know.

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Speaker 1: He did say Taiwan's a great city. He speaks Chinese,

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so that helps him travel over there. He did say,

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I recommend going for fun, but hard to make money

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there with the rape plus currency conversion fees plus travel expenses.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I get it, you know.

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Speaker 1: I think it's good to have somebody who's you know,

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on not not necessarily a negative side, but isn't just like, yeah,

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this is awesome. I'm going to go every time, So

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it's good to get a nice diversified look there through

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some of the players. But from what I saw, it

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seemed like something I would want to maybe go, you know,

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if I do make a poker trip like this is

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now in the consideration for me, which I think when

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you're putting this event on and you want to attract

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international players, like that's what you're hoping to try and achieve,

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create that sense of fomo, to get people thinking about it,

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getting friends like us being like, hey, should we make

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a trip out of it.

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Speaker 4: I just looked at the schedule and it kind of

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had a bit of everything for everyone. Know we talked,

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you mentioned these some of these guys, Hal and Dylan,

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Lindy and AJ mixed game guys. There was mixed game

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tournaments and tournaments I had never even heard of. Habby

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Mirk played once you want to yeah, Pineapple.

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Speaker 3: To some yes, Seventh Heaven Pineapple. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: They all crazy games, but they had a lot of

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stuff at very affordable buyings for like you know, you

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and me, we're talking three hundred, four hundred, five hundred.

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But then they had stuff like five k's, ten K

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main event, twenty five K high rolls. I had a

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full full spectrum of buyings and events.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And that's what kind of you know, picked my interest. Plus, hey,

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a city. You know, we've done a lot of traveling

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in our career working. We never really made it to Taiwan,

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so it's kind of a spot. Hey, you know, it

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could be a good one to go to. Speaking to

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Anthony who he did talk about the players and some

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of the incredible hands he saw, but also the fact

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that was pretty you know, it's pretty easy trip. I

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think he said it was ten hours from I think

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he went from Seattle, So you know, it's not it's

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a pretty easy trip and yeah, new city, good food.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind.

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Speaker 4: Uh, you know it's about Ley Novem and next year

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skip Thanksgiving. Have Thanksgiving over in Taiwan.

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Speaker 1: I mean, more importantly skip F one. Oh yes, get

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the heck out of the city. Well, the city is

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a disaster here in Vegas. But I mean, you and

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I we pay attention to a lot of poker stuff

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around the world, and you know, obviously a lot of

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stuff happens. I would I think I'm pretty confident saying,

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and you can tell me if you agree or not.

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But like, I can't remember something recently catching our attention

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as much as this series did. And that's why we

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wanted to talk about it here, is because it's like, yeah,

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you see new series pop up over here and there,

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but I can't recall a series that really like grabbed

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our attention as much. Again to the fact that we're like,

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should we try and go like it it seemed that

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good that we should try and go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like, okay, we talked about stuff here in the States,

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so hey, we should go to that. But this is

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it's not like we're ever like pining to go to

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somewhere over seas. This one's just definitely stood out the

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fact that a lot of our players, you know, with

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skipping events here state side good events too. To go

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to the APT says a lot from the player standpoint,

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and knowing that, knowing they've all had pretty good experiences,

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even some of the you know people you didn't mention

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that we talked to that played the true Classic event,

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it seems like, hey, they're probably going to target going

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back again. So hey, it's probably only going to get

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bigger and better if other tours, you know, obviously for us,

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the pgt were already Hey, okay, let's make sure we

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don't overlap this because it looks like our players want

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to do a little bit of traveling still, so we

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can fade any events overlapping this.

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Speaker 3: This is good.

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Speaker 4: We'll see if others you know out there talking seminal

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we're going to talk probably about the bestop soon just

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also do the same.

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Speaker 1: It also gave me a thought just again seeing how

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much attention that this EPT event was getting, how much

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it was grabbing our attention, and I immediately started to

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think of if I'm the Aussie Millions which is coming

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back next year, Yeah, this is the type of attention

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I need to grab from the poker community. Yeah, Like

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I need to make it feel like like whether or

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not the event necessarily does well, like which I hope

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it does well. Yes, but it's not like it's not

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just about smashing numbers in the first year being back

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for the Auzie Millions. It's about grabbing that attention, you know,

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people coming out of it that might not have gone

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because going into it, there's probably some people that are

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on the fence that are like, well, is it really back.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Let me see how the first one goes. But if

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they see it and it smashes and then everyone's like, oh,

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I need to go again, Auzie Millions is back. Like

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so that's what I would be chasing if I was

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Auzie Millions. So, you know, this gave me a feel

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of like when I used to look at Auzzie Millions.

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When I say this, I mean this APT Championship Series.

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You know, it gave me a feel of like, oh,

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like I miss Auzie Millions. I want to go there.

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I want to be there. So you know, hopefully let's

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let's see how Auzie Millions goes and if they can

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capture you know, some of the buzz similar to what

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the APT Championship just did. BSOP Millions another tournament series

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that it was on our radar.

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Speaker 2: It was like a whole super high Roller series.

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Speaker 4: Basically, they had like a high Rollers series and they

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had a like a Nava series with it.

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00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:11,759
Speaker 1: Yea, And the BSOP is absolutely just bananas big, Like

476
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,400
it's just grown and grown and grown every single year.

477
00:22:14,599 --> 00:22:18,000
It looks like madness down there. I've been to Brazil

478
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,079
a couple of times. You went there at least once

479
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:25,680
with me shout out Florianopolis. But the poker, I don't

480
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,400
know what the poker is still like down there. When

481
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,960
we were there, it was like ten years behind, yes,

482
00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:32,400
So I don't know if it's caught up. Obviously, there

483
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,279
are some very very good Brazilian players. I guess been

484
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,400
unfortunate to play against them in some WSP events over

485
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,960
the last couple of years, and they're always a giant

486
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,160
freaking handful to deal with at the table. But yeah,

487
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,960
I mean, Brazil is just absolutely popping when it comes

488
00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:50,200
to poker. So another spot where I think people are

489
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,799
gonna want to go to, especially if they can now

490
00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:55,119
go there and expect to get in a bunch of

491
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,440
higher buy and stuff, right, I mean, like you had

492
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,440
guys like Martin Cabrell was down there, Like yeah, I

493
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,759
mean obviously Martin Carrell is a very polarizing person, but

494
00:23:03,839 --> 00:23:06,480
still like they got him down there to play a

495
00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:09,440
huge high roller series of events. So stuff like that

496
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,599
I think is good for them and we'll see how

497
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,000
that goes going forward. In the main events, Brazil's Alan

498
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:21,119
Philippe won the BSOP Championship for six hundred and eighty

499
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,359
three thousand dollars. There was a three way deal. He

500
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:29,839
was wearing a no gamble in the future three quarter zip. No.

501
00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:32,599
You know, I'm on stream playing a hand with him

502
00:23:32,599 --> 00:23:34,599
in the WSP main event from day four this year.

503
00:23:34,759 --> 00:23:37,000
This guy, this is the guy when I had Queen

504
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,920
Jack and he tried to bluff me in yeah, top pair.

505
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,119
I think he went three streets. He raised from the

506
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,240
button of the cutoff I called small black.

507
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 3: I was I think I'm on the right for that.

508
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,319
Speaker 1: Hen. Yeah, but there was that gentleman. So he goes

509
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,680
on to have success here. Now this event, they came

510
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,519
out saying like this is going to be the largest

511
00:23:57,519 --> 00:23:58,359
guarantee in.

512
00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,799
Speaker 2: Like South American poker history.

513
00:24:00,279 --> 00:24:02,559
Speaker 1: However, they phrased it four million dollar guarantee, which I

514
00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:04,480
think fell a little bit short. Seven hundred and fourteen

515
00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:07,920
entries in this thing. I believe the buy in when

516
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,359
you converted to USD was writer on six k or

517
00:24:10,599 --> 00:24:13,200
something like that, so fell a little bit short. But

518
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,119
still it seems like they are very very bullish on

519
00:24:16,319 --> 00:24:18,200
making this happen. I mean, they were doing things like

520
00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:21,000
they obviously streamed it in a lot of places, but

521
00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:23,400
they even had like an English commentary team, which I

522
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,039
think Jeff Gross Maria Hoo like we're on the English channel,

523
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,559
Like they had a BSOP English channel all set up.

524
00:24:28,599 --> 00:24:30,519
So obviously they have the Brazilian channel, but then they

525
00:24:30,519 --> 00:24:33,559
did other languages too, you know, just trying to blast

526
00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:36,200
this far and wide. Martin Carell won an event down there.

527
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,119
He won the thirty K super high Roller for four

528
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,920
hundred and twenty two thousand, Philippe Boyanovski won the fifty

529
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,279
K super high Roller for six hundred and forty thousand,

530
00:24:44,839 --> 00:24:48,599
Automar Ladva won the twenty K one day Super high

531
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,400
Roller for three hundred and twenty one thousand dollars, and

532
00:24:50,519 --> 00:24:53,559
z Nick Zizka won the one hundred K super high

533
00:24:53,599 --> 00:24:56,000
Roller main event for one point two million. He beat

534
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,480
Philippe Boyanovski who won that fifty k super high Roller,

535
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,960
and then boy Kofsky here cash in second for seven

536
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,160
or sixty k. And the reason why I want to

537
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,839
read through those events there is because again it shows you,

538
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,160
like what this series is trying to be. Yeah, thirty

539
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,200
k by and fifty k by and twenty k like

540
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:13,960
hundred k like these are big.

541
00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 2: This is like Triton level type of stuff.

542
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:17,799
Speaker 3: So American.

543
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean, and it goes to show I mean, listen,

544
00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:26,440
these events weren't massive, shut out massive, but forty four entries,

545
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,839
forty entries, fifty eight thirty six for the Hunter K Like,

546
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,319
I mean, that's not nothing. Lot of money, especially for

547
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,920
the first time out in Brazil. So you know, we'll

548
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,640
see if this thing sticks around and if they can

549
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,519
build on it. But now it seems like, you know,

550
00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:42,079
if you are a high roller and super high roller

551
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,839
type of player, you now have a new stop on

552
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,759
the calendar, and that is down in Brazil for the BSOP.

553
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,079
I mean, before the BSOP, at least as I know,

554
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,160
it was more small, mid major type.

555
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 2: Of buy ins.

556
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: But you know, you get you have like a two

557
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,079
K tournament that gets five thousand people like that sort

558
00:25:59,079 --> 00:26:00,880
of stuff. Right, this is kind of going the other

559
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,559
way now, but I guess in the vein of trying

560
00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:06,599
to have something for everyone. So so yeah, so they

561
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,559
got that going for them. WPT also happened the Seminal

562
00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:14,559
Rock and Roll Poker Open that wrapped up recently, what

563
00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:17,359
a week ago or so. I actually thought that they

564
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,519
were playing that FILEL table here Wednesday. Yeah, true, a

565
00:26:21,519 --> 00:26:23,039
couple of days ago, I thought they were going to

566
00:26:23,079 --> 00:26:26,079
play that found table here. I was like watching it

567
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,440
and following it, and like, you know, I love following

568
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,319
the PT events. The seminal ones are always big. You know,

569
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,920
you get a lot of notables in there, a lot

570
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,079
of good action. They often stream stuff from down there

571
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,519
so you can watch, et cetera. Like I'm watching. I'm

572
00:26:39,519 --> 00:26:41,720
watching and watching. They set the final table, and I

573
00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:46,119
like forgot about it because I just assumed that, similar

574
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,839
to what they did for Bay one on one, they

575
00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:51,480
were going to pause it, bring them out to Vegas

576
00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:55,119
here for during the WPT World Championship and do it here.

577
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,640
But they just played it out because then somebody texted

578
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,519
me like it was our friend Monawar, who was down

579
00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:03,400
there working for WPT. He texted me like about the

580
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,240
guy who wanted like to check out a hand or something,

581
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:08,200
and I was like, I thought they were stopping for

582
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:13,079
the for the tournament. But Kevin Nee won it. Six

583
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,000
hundred and five thousand dollars for him he beat Joel

584
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,960
Gola three hundred ninety five K for him. Aramzobian Branda

585
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,920
bars regular on the PGT third place for him two

586
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,440
hundred ninety five K. Chad Eaves Legged fourth place for

587
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:31,039
two hundred and twenty K nanod medic seventh place in that.

588
00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:35,960
One interesting thing that I noticed about this event is

589
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:43,519
this is now the fifth year that we've seen a decline,

590
00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:47,200
which it's not an enormous decline, but I would say

591
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,240
it is an enormous de well, okay, I mean, but

592
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,720
I'll say that it's one of those things where like,

593
00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:55,920
you know, like when we talk about the wsp Man event,

594
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,599
for example, and if the wsp Man event got eighty

595
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,319
five players, everyone would freak out right, But on the

596
00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:04,920
other side of things, it's like you still got an

597
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,359
you still got eighty five hundred players for a ten

598
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,799
K freeze out. You know, when basically everyone's broken, the

599
00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:13,960
economies and the shitter, so like it's still good, right,

600
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,039
So like that that's the good spin. There's always good spin,

601
00:28:16,079 --> 00:28:20,079
there's negative spin whatever. So this like the negative spin,

602
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,799
like you're saying, is it went from last year when

603
00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:24,119
fourteen thirty five this year twelve twenty four.

604
00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: Yea.

605
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: Now I'll say, okay, you're having a what's this thirty

606
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,000
five hundred dollars buying?

607
00:28:28,079 --> 00:28:29,319
Speaker 2: You still got more.

608
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,319
Speaker 1: Than twelve players, Really good, you beat the big guarantee,

609
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,240
all that sort of stuff. But you and I often

610
00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:38,000
talk about trends, like once you start seeing the trend,

611
00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:41,599
that's when the concern starts to grow. And twenty twenty

612
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:46,000
one coming out of the pandemic, fifteen hundred and sixty six,

613
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:50,680
next year fifteen forty one, next year twenty twenty three,

614
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,279
fourteen forty seven, then fourteen thirty five, now twelve twenty four.

615
00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:00,720
Now I have no reason idea why this is happening necessarily.

616
00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:05,640
I mean, my guess is maybe some seminal fatigue combined

617
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,720
with the stuff that we just talked about. You know,

618
00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:11,519
there's just other events, like a lot of people, you know,

619
00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:15,440
I read off those names, Anthony who a j Kelsol, Like,

620
00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:16,480
was he in Florida?

621
00:29:16,759 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: I mean to be in Florida for like the tail

622
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:19,680
end of stuff, right.

623
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 4: No, I think he just posted something where he just

624
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,119
just getting back with something, so he probably.

625
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,839
Speaker 1: Okay, Dylan Lindy like, like those are players that I

626
00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:30,680
would assume would go to Seminole always, right, especially when

627
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,839
you know now it's you kind of go to Seminole,

628
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,000
you hang out in Florida and you top the pond

629
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,079
and go to Bahamas, like that's the plan. So my

630
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,119
overall take, I don't have a take like as it

631
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,000
relates specifically to WPT, but I guess my overall thought

632
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:49,559
and you know you and I won't get into too

633
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:53,000
many specifics. But our friend Matt Savage, listener of the pod,

634
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:55,440
we did have a text exchange between us where it's like,

635
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,200
there's just too much poker these days. I mean we

636
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,160
feel it too, like there's there's so much fucking poker,

637
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,519
and like, is it bad that there's some Like it's

638
00:30:05,559 --> 00:30:09,519
both good but also it's obviously good that in the

639
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:11,359
sense that there's just a lot of poker to be

640
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,759
played and it's available everywhere you look, right, you can

641
00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:17,799
play anything you want probably any buy in from a

642
00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:20,039
freaking three hundred dollars tournament all the way up to

643
00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:21,640
one hundred k down in Brazil. Well, you can do

644
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,119
whatever you want, okay. And it's there's stuff all over

645
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,240
the world at any time, even this month, there's like

646
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:30,920
six series here in Vegas, there's WSP Paradise, there's Progue, like,

647
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,519
there's all this sort of stuff. But also it's like,

648
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,839
is it gonna suffer? Like are events gonna go down

649
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:40,319
in numbers because things are spaced out more? Maybe the

650
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,000
totality of all the entries of like Poker's poker players

651
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,000
playing at one point is like rising, but events start

652
00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:50,119
to kind of go down or people start to go elsewhere.

653
00:30:50,359 --> 00:30:52,839
And then and this is where you bring it back

654
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,160
to seminal. If you're somebody like Seminole and you're seeing

655
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,039
this like five year trend of it going down, do

656
00:30:58,119 --> 00:31:02,920
you then lower guarantee which isn't necessarily good for the players?

657
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean.

658
00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: So it's just like, is there just is there too much?

659
00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:08,240
I mean, you're you're more in the streets on this

660
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:11,000
than I am because you deal with PGT and the

661
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:11,839
scheduling stuff.

662
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: So what are your thing.

663
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, there is too much, but these operators

664
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,640
all want their money, so they're going to keep putting

665
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,759
events on. Doesn't really matter what they how they how

666
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:24,960
it affects the playapool. Like just like you said, you

667
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,960
look at Vegas right now. We have the win, we

668
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:30,720
have Aria, we have all lanes, we have plann of Hollywood,

669
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,880
Resorts World, we have Resorts World, we have kind of

670
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,519
us all running something, you know. I mean, we really

671
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:38,160
have one events, so it doesn't it's not really the same.

672
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,519
Speaker 1: But still, I mean, everything's going on today. I would

673
00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:42,240
say that I would have hoped our numbers would have

674
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,680
topped two hundred. They didn't, and there's a lot going on.

675
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 3: I yeah, there's too much going on, but I think

676
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:48,160
you know.

677
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,839
Speaker 1: Oh there's Venetian too. Don't forget about Venetian. They got

678
00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:52,160
out a huge series that.

679
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, Venation because yeah, I think you know,

680
00:31:56,359 --> 00:31:58,640
And look, Matt Savage will probly send us a text

681
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,720
tomorrow about this. But I think that Seminole could make

682
00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:06,079
one change right now to send those numbers back up

683
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:07,559
to fourteen hundred, no problems.

684
00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: What's that five million dollar guarantee which they could easily hit.

685
00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:15,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, by the way, I would change their starting flights

686
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:20,480
because they've always owned this with this Thanksgiving window, right,

687
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:24,160
which is Friday Saturday is day one A and one B, right,

688
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,640
And that's fine. People don't really care about Thanksgiving, or

689
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,200
you're targeting locals or people going to fly in on

690
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:30,799
the Friday.

691
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,519
Speaker 3: But I think there's enough players that you know.

692
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 4: They want to spend the Thursday with the family, they

693
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,759
don't really want to rush or were they're going to

694
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:40,200
fly in on Friday and play only one B. Now,

695
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,720
if you just went to which we would probably say

696
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:45,480
is are better flights, better days for starting flights, which

697
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:49,039
is Friday. Like if we just go to the weekend,

698
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,599
because we both agree that Friday Saturday is the best.

699
00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:54,599
But just for this specific event, you move just to

700
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,039
the weekend to give the out of towners, the Vegas people,

701
00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:02,200
the people coming from the East, stop North wherever, one

702
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,440
extra day, one extra travel day, so they can play

703
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:08,240
one day in full gust. Though, I think that little

704
00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:11,839
change would probably do a lot of good for this event,

705
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,680
because you know it like it is. We're saying, if

706
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,039
you looked at the chip counts, you' seeing a lot

707
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:20,240
of people flying in from overseas playing this event, you know,

708
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:22,200
playing the ten k high roll of the twenty five

709
00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:25,039
k high roll then shooting over to Paradise. But I

710
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:27,119
think to try and boost those those numbers in the

711
00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:30,480
main event just audible one day Saturday Sunday fights.

712
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:37,519
Speaker 1: I think that also that also allows them to get

713
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:40,200
closer to Wsby Paradise, which I think is good. Like,

714
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,119
so there's like it's it's like basically right on, it's

715
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,839
like one day in between, if that right now, But

716
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,200
like are people really going for like the first day

717
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,599
of Doubsby Paradise. They might take a day or two

718
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,759
into it, because that first event is like what the twenty.

719
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: Events are depends what the first event is.

720
00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would basically like I would have if

721
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,680
you're going to continue to have this final table down there,

722
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,680
then you have that final table like one or two

723
00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:07,079
days later, which if in your case, if you're bumping

724
00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:09,159
those starting voices there, that's gonna happen, yeah, and then

725
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,880
you like really butt up with that way people can

726
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,880
make like let's say day three of this WPT, then

727
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,039
basically the next day they're on the flight to Paradise,

728
00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:19,039
as opposed to having two days off or you know,

729
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:23,119
something kind of in between, because the traveling poker players

730
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:25,440
really do just in my opinion, like to hop from

731
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,079
stop to stop.

732
00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 2: They don't just play.

733
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:31,199
Speaker 4: We had players at Seminole texting me so asking about,

734
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:34,039
you know, our event, and I saw them on social

735
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,320
playing an event the night before the next day they

736
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:36,719
were here.

737
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 3: You know, they're going to play the events. They're going

738
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:39,199
to book them.

739
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,599
Speaker 4: They're going to book the Red Eye or they're going

740
00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:43,280
to book that early am flight and get here. And

741
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,760
these guys don't really, to be honest, they don't really

742
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,119
plan that far ahead.

743
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: No, that's not a dig it any of them.

744
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,199
Speaker 4: But they're basically playing and then they're just gonna you know,

745
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,199
they're not gonna.

746
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,159
Speaker 2: Like they just they book a flight and then they're not.

747
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 4: On diming flights and stuff like that. They're like, Okay,

748
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,760
I'm done, I'm jumping on this next fight, get home,

749
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,840
play this event. You know, we have people asking us

750
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,960
like about end, like when is light registration because they're

751
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,639
gonna fly here and harpe to at least get a

752
00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:08,199
bullet in time.

753
00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:09,599
Speaker 1: I mean, people were trying to come here to play

754
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:12,199
that win eight hundred. Yeah, you know, they were like

755
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,039
when's the night flight and like when can I get

756
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:16,440
in you know that sort of stuff. So yeah, like

757
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,920
they like in the case of Florida, because it's so

758
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:22,360
close to the Bahamas, they would like want to fly

759
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,960
to the Bahamas land, put their ship in their room

760
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:27,079
and go play a tournament, like like.

761
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:28,159
Speaker 2: Just go you know.

762
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: So so yeah, I think that could be, you know

763
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,119
a little bit better time than I do agree with

764
00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:35,880
you that having those those flights for this series, specifically

765
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,280
because of the Thanksgiving just this one, you know.

766
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: But we'll but we'll see well, I mean, we'll see

767
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:42,360
how it goes.

768
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 1: But again, Kevin Knee, winner of the WPT Seminole Hard

769
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,199
Rock Rock and Roll poker ope or six hundred and

770
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,840
what six hundred and something k six oh five. I

771
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,760
think it was so good on him. It's gonna say knee.

772
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,880
It's gonna say knee on the trophy. kN Yeah, knee.

773
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 2: There you go.

774
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: All right, poker drama. I guess we can just give

775
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,599
her quick takes. We're bringing it back up a lot

776
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:11,039
of poker drama. In the past couple of weeks, we

777
00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:14,679
had a social media post on Twitter from Club WPT Gold,

778
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,840
which came from sashimi, but then was shared by club

779
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,760
WPT Gold that seemed to piss off like every don't

780
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,440
know everyone, so you had that that kind.

781
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:25,119
Speaker 2: Of started everything.

782
00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: Then Abby Murk she kind of came at them, but

783
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,639
then people came at her for being hypocritical, like she

784
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,920
was saying, like, you can't do this with like the

785
00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:38,960
social post was a woman like.

786
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 2: Which I saw the interview with her, but she like

787
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,440
doesn't have social media, I think.

788
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: But anyway, she was like tourking and dancing and gyrating

789
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,599
on a table, like throwing chips around, like the whole thing.

790
00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 3: Because she won and all ladies.

791
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,599
Speaker 1: I had no idea what the genesis of it was,

792
00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:59,000
but thankfully you did the digging there. So then you know,

793
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:02,639
the abbing comes to WPT saying you shouldn't post the stuff,

794
00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:04,159
what are you guys doing? Then there's that whole thing

795
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,559
like WPD, what the heck are you doing to your brand?

796
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:09,880
Blah blah blah, this whole thing. Then people jump on

797
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,800
Abbie Murk because she had some rather revealing posts on

798
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,639
her social media, you know, so it's like, well, how

799
00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:19,119
come you can? How come you're calling out them? But

800
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:22,400
then you act this way. I kind of I think

801
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,280
I'm like straddling the fence there where I don't know.

802
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,440
It's I feel like brands should be upheld to a

803
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,679
certain standard versus an individuals act. Now, I will also

804
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:37,119
say that because of that, the messenger probably shouldn't have

805
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:39,400
been Abby, because it was like, as soon as I

806
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,320
saw what she said, I knew.

807
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 3: They're gonna come.

808
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: The poker community is coming for her, like you just

809
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:46,679
you know, the poker community is coming. That's what they do.

810
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: They latched their teeth into something and they are coming

811
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,000
on social media.

812
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:51,199
Speaker 2: So there's the bit.

813
00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 4: I had a problem with the most and you know,

814
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,000
stand up for Abby a little bit.

815
00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:56,599
Speaker 3: Here they called out.

816
00:37:56,559 --> 00:38:00,159
Speaker 4: Her recent session of No Gamble in My Future, our

817
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,480
show where we filmed and we live streamed. And for

818
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,239
those that are unaware, No Game in the Future has

819
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,719
a wheel of pain. You gotta do punishments. Okay, she

820
00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:12,079
was playing the biggest stakes of her life, right and

821
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:14,360
she was she was, you know whatever, she was playing

822
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,840
this game. She had to spin the wheel, she had

823
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:21,639
to do jumping jacks. Okay, she's doing jumping jacks and stapes.

824
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:24,800
You know, the Wheelmaster General was covering her up with

825
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,679
his coat because you know women, you know jumping Okay,

826
00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:29,199
you guys.

827
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 3: Get the picture.

828
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,519
Speaker 4: And now even our cameramen were like sometimes just just

829
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:37,079
showing the shoes, so they were respecting what you know

830
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,199
was going on there. Now she was called out for

831
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,519
doing jumping jacks and then she before back was like,

832
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,320
it's the punishment, you have to do it, and then

833
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:47,239
Matt Burkie chim means like, you don't have to do

834
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,840
the punishment. Well, the whole point of the show is

835
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,400
to like spin the wheel and do the punishment.

836
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: So I will say that also on that show there

837
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:56,719
was times when like like philm wasn't doing any punishments,

838
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,960
he was basically buying out, which I thought was absolutely yes,

839
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:03,480
like it's just can't like no that show if the

840
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,280
wheel is in play. And there are other instances like

841
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:06,800
later on in that week, because we did a whole

842
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,800
week with live streaming, there was no Gamble in the

843
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,039
Future live without the wall in play. So you either

844
00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:14,519
if you play and the wheel is in play, you

845
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:17,119
have to do the punishments end of story or the

846
00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:19,840
punt of the way to get out of it. The

847
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,559
penalty is like a lot of money, like five K

848
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,079
or something fucking ridiculous. I just think it's unfair to

849
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:28,559
single out that when she's kind of forced to do it,

850
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:30,920
and that's kind of mean, that's that's silly yet. But

851
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,760
the other stuff you definitely knew that people were going

852
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,519
to come from. Yeah, she's posted some saucy pictures and

853
00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:38,079
some you know, some shorts.

854
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:42,679
Speaker 4: But here's the thing that she's trying to grow her

855
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,360
social and you know, she's been on a pretty dramatic

856
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,880
increase in followers and views, and she's you know, obviously

857
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,400
a bet MGM ambassador. Now she's done what you're supposed

858
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,159
to do. She's followed the game plan for social media,

859
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,960
you know, content creators. Uh, kind of simple of that

860
00:39:59,079 --> 00:39:59,480
as it is.

861
00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:02,039
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, listen, she might need to learn

862
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:06,079
just through experience that, you know, because she's still in

863
00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:08,280
the in the grand scheme of poker, like, she's still

864
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,239
on the newer side of things. Yeah, you know, not

865
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,199
that that's on a knock against her, she's just newer

866
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,280
to the community or whatever.

867
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:14,159
Speaker 2: So she's just gonna have.

868
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: To learn how to navigate these situations. And you know,

869
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:20,960
eventually she'll learn to just roll with the punches and

870
00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:23,360
and and leverage it to her advantage, you know where

871
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,039
like you know, like, yeah, okay, I post a picture

872
00:40:27,039 --> 00:40:28,679
on my underwear a day in life of Pokemon. I

873
00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:30,679
don't give a shit. I'm an individual. This is the

874
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,840
World Poker tour that runs around talking about how prestigious they.

875
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: Are, you know, saying like why why are they doing that?

876
00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's just ridiculous anyway, Like but anyway,

877
00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:42,559
that was that happened. But then, you know, not to

878
00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:45,480
be outdone, she just gets thrown to the side because

879
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,119
here comes the whole AI issue. There don't be a

880
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,719
big docu series, which you and I had planned to

881
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,400
talk about. I don't know if you had a chance

882
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:53,159
to watch any of it.

883
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 3: I'm fully caught up.

884
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:55,639
Speaker 2: Well what does that even mean?

885
00:40:55,679 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: Because everything that was violable watch I don't even know

886
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:01,159
what at what point did they get to before they

887
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:01,719
had to pull it.

888
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 3: I think we're on episode five.

889
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,679
Speaker 1: The reason why I say that I had the privilege

890
00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:09,480
to watch the entire thing ahead of time, about a

891
00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:11,960
week ahead of time, so I watched it from start

892
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:12,360
to finish.

893
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:14,119
Speaker 2: But I don't know in the real world.

894
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:14,079
Speaker 1: Like.

895
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:18,039
Speaker 3: Eight, I think we're on five or six.

896
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,679
Speaker 1: Okay, so this happens Dustin and Ian Atti, who, of course,

897
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,480
back in April I think, put a pretty polarizing Twitter

898
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:30,639
post out there saying he's gonna like shake up the

899
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,559
entire poker world with this new content. Do it all differently,

900
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,320
tell the stories the way they need to be told,

901
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,239
like the whole thing. Right that that, in and of

902
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,480
itself created a whole thing on social media. Right fast

903
00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:48,360
forward to now, they released this docu series and a

904
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,840
couple episodes go by Alan Keating, who was featured in

905
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,320
the docu series, who has a working relationship with Artisans

906
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,400
on Fire, the production company that Dustin owns that did this.

907
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,920
He said that he claimed on social media that they

908
00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:06,599
used AI to like put words in his mouth and stuff,

909
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:10,199
like they mimicked his voice and took some quotes and

910
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,800
whatever Dustin comes out with, like basically an apology that

911
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,320
was like a non apology. Everyone jumps down his throat

912
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,920
like it's a whole thing. What I thought was interesting though,

913
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:21,880
was that I hope I have this right, but I'm

914
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,119
pretty sure. Alan Keen then deleted that tweet after so

915
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,719
like but like so I don't know, like, so did

916
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,039
he not mean it? Like and if he didn't mean it,

917
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:32,079
why would you come out publicly like that, especially when

918
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:32,960
you have a relationship.

919
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 2: Not that not that what they did or didn't do

920
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:37,840
is right or wrong. Like I'm not getting into that.

921
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,599
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, it just seems weird that he

922
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,320
pulled something down when he put it out there, because

923
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:43,880
putting it out there for as long as it was

924
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,000
out there, I mean, that did the damage right there.

925
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:49,199
That was it, Like the thing was cooked. Then later on,

926
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,280
you know, w speed decides to pull it down, and

927
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,280
you know that's that. I have no idea if it's

928
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,159
going to come back. I mean, do you have any

929
00:42:56,159 --> 00:42:56,639
thoughts there?

930
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,280
Speaker 2: Like I kind of don't. I don't know.

931
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,199
Speaker 1: I'm maybe I'm just an idiot and I'm naive, but

932
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,559
like I'm like, I don't know. I don't think the

933
00:43:06,639 --> 00:43:10,119
AI thing is that bad personally, I don't. I don't know,

934
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:13,000
Like I mean, I wouldn't have done it. I don't

935
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,360
think you should do it. But I also don't think

936
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,320
it was like as bad as people were making it seem.

937
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,960
Also people were there was something around people going around

938
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,679
about how it was kind of edited out of context

939
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,159
to make it a certain way, And I was thinking, like,

940
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:25,880
has anyone ever watched any reality show ever.

941
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:26,559
Speaker 3: That's how the old.

942
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know, you got to create heroes and

943
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,119
villains and tell a story a certain way and like

944
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:31,960
all that sort of stuff.

945
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

946
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I was enjoying it. You know, I'll

947
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,960
kind of watch anything Pucker related, Puck of vlogs, whatever

948
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:38,199
it is.

949
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,119
Speaker 3: Was enjoying it it.

950
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 4: You know, maybe you know, dust In, any team should

951
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,360
have hey he just said to said to Alan, look

952
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:46,840
we want.

953
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,079
Speaker 2: To Yeah they should.

954
00:43:48,119 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: They should have been like, hey, listen, we need to

955
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:52,800
fix this here. We're thinking about doing this. Are you

956
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,000
okay with it? Give us your sign off? If not,

957
00:43:55,159 --> 00:43:57,800
then I don't know, you get him into the office

958
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,280
and you do some voice or I don't know, you

959
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:00,480
try and solve it in another way.

960
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,519
Speaker 2: But yeah, you definitely got to reach out ahead of time.

961
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:04,360
So but the whole thing just.

962
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:08,639
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like another the whole this is

963
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:10,239
the whole happened in like a week's time, and it

964
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,639
was just kind of shitty. I guess for poker in

965
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,519
general that like this is all just everyone's just fighting

966
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:20,119
on on on Twitter about everything that's happening, and it's

967
00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:22,760
like everyone's got to fight, everyone's got to have a

968
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,880
take on it. Everyone's got to get involved, everyone's got

969
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,079
to do this and that. And I was like, can't

970
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:28,320
we just talk about like how cool poker is and

971
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,920
how fun it is to play in these banana's hands

972
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,320
that are you know, being played, and you know all

973
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:34,000
this sort of stuff.

974
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 4: I don't know you've I mean, both of both you

975
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,280
and I talked to Dustin, played with Dustin and stuff,

976
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,480
and obviously he had a deep run here in the

977
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,440
true classic rags of riches.

978
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: Really want to satellite and cast?

979
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, must be nice.

980
00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:49,039
Speaker 2: Are better players than another?

981
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:50,159
Speaker 1: That's what I got to say.

982
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:53,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I haven't ask him anything about it. That's

983
00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:56,360
probably a saw subject, you know for him, So I'm

984
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,000
not going to kind of dig into it. But I'm

985
00:44:58,119 --> 00:45:01,039
my guess is that probably going to re edit some

986
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:04,519
stuff and probably re release it, you know post.

987
00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:07,199
Speaker 1: I also thought it was interesting that they took all

988
00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:08,960
of them down. Yeah, so does that mean there was

989
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,519
more stuff elsewhere that we don't know about? Does or

990
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:13,320
did they just because they just didn't want to deal

991
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:14,719
with the whole thing, they just took all that, Like,

992
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,519
I don't think it was only the one episode with Allen.

993
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 4: Then I think it's a WSP directive, you know that

994
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,960
probably quick rash things say hey, take them off, you know,

995
00:45:24,159 --> 00:45:27,039
take them down, and then we'll revisit each episode. So

996
00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:30,599
you know, look, maybe there's some AI in all the episodes.

997
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:32,880
Maybe it's just Alan's, but I think that does.

998
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,519
Speaker 1: Soon everyone's going to be using AI to create everything anyone.

999
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:37,519
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't even matter.

1000
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 4: What's so funny is like I saw I'm not going

1001
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,280
to name who sent the tweet, but like someone sent

1002
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,360
a tweet that was so obviously AI, and like, I mean,

1003
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,760
everyone uses it. It's just kind of part of everyday

1004
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,800
life now, Like I use it, but like in different ways.

1005
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,840
A lot of people use it in certain different ways.

1006
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,239
I use it as Google now, so instead of Googling,

1007
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,039
I chatch GPT my questions.

1008
00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely becoming a tool to help people

1009
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:06,159
with a lot of things, which you know, I think

1010
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,800
a lot of obviously a lot of people are very

1011
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,400
doom and gloom that like AI is going to take

1012
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,239
over the world, It's going to take a bunch of

1013
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,480
people's jobs away, and like all that sort of stuff,

1014
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:19,280
which I don't entirely disagree with, but I also don't

1015
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,920
fully agree with in that, Like, I'm not totally doom

1016
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,119
and gloom with it, you know, I just look at

1017
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:27,840
it like it's a tool, and it's a tool that

1018
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,880
a lot of people can leverage to do things. Now,

1019
00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:35,280
that same tool is very likely going to take away jobs,

1020
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,280
and it likely already has taken away jobs. That said,

1021
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:43,119
that same tool can also allow people to create new jobs.

1022
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:43,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, right.

1023
00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:47,119
Speaker 1: For example, if I'm working in marketing, like I do,

1024
00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:52,039
you know, maybe I can leverage various AI tools to

1025
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:55,920
do different things. Hey, create this graphic for me, do

1026
00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:57,679
this and whatever, and like you have to still work

1027
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,440
with it and prompt it certain ways and whatever. So

1028
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,559
maybe I don't need an entire marketing team. Under mean,

1029
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,199
maybe I can be a one stop shop. Right, but

1030
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:05,239
you can keep the same thing.

1031
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 2: But let me say that.

1032
00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:09,199
Speaker 1: Okay, but let me say that if I become more efficient,

1033
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,119
maybe we don't need the team, and then we get

1034
00:47:11,199 --> 00:47:13,519
rid of the team. Okay, by the way, this did

1035
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:17,239
not happen. I'm just speaking hypotheticals. Okay, Now let's say

1036
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,880
that team, right, everyone on that team, maybe they go

1037
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,840
out and they create their own marketing agency because they

1038
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,440
can do all this stuff themselves, you know. So it's like,

1039
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:29,159
on one side of things, yes, it took away these jobs,

1040
00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:30,800
but on the other side of things, it does create

1041
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,280
a path if you are willing to put in the

1042
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,079
work and learn this stuff that you could do that

1043
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,880
you know, like in like a big one is obviously

1044
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,159
the movie industry. You know, it's going to take away

1045
00:47:41,159 --> 00:47:43,039
there was that whole strike and all the writers and

1046
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:45,440
all that sort of stuff. Like yeah, okay, but like

1047
00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:48,599
what if you flipped it and as a writer you

1048
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:53,159
decided to start creating AI movies and stuff and put

1049
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:58,159
that in or on YouTube or put it out there

1050
00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:00,400
on social media or like you try and go that, right,

1051
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:02,400
I don't know, you know, I'm just throwing stuff against

1052
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,159
the wall. I'm not fully like doom and Gloom with it.

1053
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,119
I think it's going to have some damage that it does, yes,

1054
00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:09,519
but I think it's also going to allow things to

1055
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:10,920
be created that are pretty cool.

1056
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:13,119
Speaker 4: So the biggest way I say it, like I kind

1057
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:16,480
of said efficiency, is that when you have work projects,

1058
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:19,480
I think the timelines of these projects are now shortening,

1059
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,719
meaning you can get more work in sure, you can

1060
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,280
do more work, tackle more projects. So I think that's

1061
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,599
when you used properly, that's kind of the benefit.

1062
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I don't think that you should

1063
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,440
rely on it, you know, I look at it like,

1064
00:48:34,519 --> 00:48:36,239
I mean, this is probably a bad analogy, but whatever.

1065
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,480
But like back in the day, you know, you used

1066
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,239
to learn a bunch of math in school, and all

1067
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,599
we do now is just use calculators. Like you have

1068
00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:45,480
a calculator on your phone, you have calculator in your watch,

1069
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:46,400
you have a calculare on your computer.

1070
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 2: Like it doesn't matter. You just punch things in. You

1071
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,679
don't really have to do the math at the end

1072
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:50,039
of the day.

1073
00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: Like back in the day, we all thought like, oh,

1074
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:54,480
we can't use the clculars, we have to do it

1075
00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:56,400
all by hand because we actually have to learn it. Yeah,

1076
00:48:56,519 --> 00:48:57,679
when it's like at the end of the day, no,

1077
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,679
you just use the calculator, the calculator as a tool

1078
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,519
to make you more efficient with things, you know. So

1079
00:49:02,639 --> 00:49:04,559
I don't know, maybe that's a bad analogy, maybe it's not.

1080
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:05,079
Speaker 2: Whatever.

1081
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: Then of course that just goes by the wayside. Because

1082
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:13,480
Maurice Hawkins got beat up in a poker which like

1083
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:16,960
there was a player, there was a video of a

1084
00:49:17,039 --> 00:49:20,840
player fighting Maurice Hawkins in a poker game and it

1085
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:23,239
in a private game and it looked like a house. Yeah,

1086
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,800
I don't know where it was, but yeah there was.

1087
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,760
I think there was a second video that came out

1088
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:33,039
later on where like the first video looked like I mean,

1089
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:34,800
I didn't know at the time when I was watching

1090
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,079
the video, but it looked like the guy basically jumped Maurice.

1091
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,519
That's what it looked like, because Maurice kind of wasn't

1092
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:42,559
fighting back and looked like he was caught off garden,

1093
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:45,440
was off balance. So maybe the guy like you know,

1094
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:48,480
blindsided him or you know, cold cocked him from the

1095
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:51,519
side or whatever it was. But then the other video

1096
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:54,480
was it seemed like it was after the first part

1097
00:49:54,519 --> 00:49:57,239
where Maurice was like, I think he was saying stuff like,

1098
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:58,599
you know, come at me now type of thing, like

1099
00:49:58,639 --> 00:50:00,719
I'm like, I'm squared up, ready to go, as opposed

1100
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,880
to you know, coming at me from the side or

1101
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,320
jumping mirror or doing whatever. So so then that happened,

1102
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,119
which also turned into the whole Maurice Hawkins and Chat

1103
00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:12,800
Holloway thing Chat Halloway from Pokerers and now Chad Is

1104
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:15,679
has openly invited Maurice Hawkins to come on.

1105
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 2: The Poker News podcast and talk about this.

1106
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,079
Speaker 1: They might be the bodyguard tude in between them. I

1107
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:23,000
don't know if Ben Ludlow and Mike Holtz are gonna

1108
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,360
be able to do it. Shout out to those guys,

1109
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,679
but yeah, that would be something to see.

1110
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 3: So basically, think he's being invited several times and it's never.

1111
00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:36,039
Speaker 1: Basically the entire poker community on social media is a

1112
00:50:36,039 --> 00:50:39,639
giant dumpster fire right now. I mean, if you like

1113
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:43,400
drama and entertainment and all that sort of stuff, I guess,

1114
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,599
get your popcorn and enjoy it. But but yeah, it's

1115
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,159
just absolutely wild. So that's all the that's all the

1116
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,119
drama that's been going down in the last two weeks

1117
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,800
or so. I'm sure we're going to see more of

1118
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,239
it over the next month, just with how much poker

1119
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,920
is happening on the other side of things. I will

1120
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,119
say that two things I'm excited for. One, I'm really

1121
00:51:05,159 --> 00:51:09,280
digging Jeremy Osma's new vlog. I think it's awesome. I

1122
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:15,000
mostly like it because you're just getting raw insight and

1123
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:17,639
strategy from one of the absolute best poker players in

1124
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:19,760
the world, which is great. Because this is out there

1125
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,320
on YouTube and it is totally free. He's only done

1126
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,159
two episodes right now, but it's freaking great for somebody

1127
00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:28,280
who wants to constantly try and get into the mind

1128
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,920
of these top players and learn from them. So if

1129
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,880
you guys haven't checked that out already, I would highly

1130
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:37,079
encourage you to go check out Jeremy Osmas's vlog on YouTube.

1131
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:40,599
It definitely also feels like one of those things where

1132
00:51:42,039 --> 00:51:44,880
it's definitely unpolished. Yeah, I mean, you know, and you

1133
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,159
know in terms of like how good it looks, the editing,

1134
00:51:48,199 --> 00:51:50,679
that sort of stuff work in progress. But I'm sure

1135
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,960
if you look back at like Brad Owen's first flog

1136
00:51:54,119 --> 00:51:56,199
or whoever, like it probably wasn't the greatest thing in

1137
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,400
the world, right, So that's gonna come along. But the

1138
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,800
content self, the insight is a plus. The other thing

1139
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,039
I'm looking forward to is now that it's December, now

1140
00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:08,760
that it is WSB Paradise time, we get the negran

1141
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,280
new vlogs back already.

1142
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:11,119
Speaker 3: Watch do you watch it today?

1143
00:52:11,639 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: I did not watch it today. I would know I

1144
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,920
did not watch it today. But I'm ready to go

1145
00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:21,079
home and start binging those every single day. Straight from Paradise.

1146
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,119
Like I just he's the most popular, biggest, well known

1147
00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:27,320
poker player in the world, and he puts out every

1148
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,679
single day of his poker playing. And it's you know,

1149
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,039
it's as opposed to Ozma's where Ozma's is more deeper

1150
00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:34,920
into the strategy stuff. I mean Agrand who has some

1151
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,000
strategy stuff, yes, but it's just more generalized. And I

1152
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:41,199
don't know, it's just cool to peel back the curtain

1153
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,039
on that type of a list player. So I'm really

1154
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:46,400
happy that those two things are back.

1155
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 4: One other bug came out today. Oh yeah, Mario Muzzbuck.

1156
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,199
Oh yeah it yeah, I watched that. That was actually

1157
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,360
very good today as well. So okay, lots of high

1158
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,719
stakes pup vlogs.

1159
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:58,639
Speaker 3: For you to watch this month.

1160
00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really interesting because is it going to be

1161
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,960
a seth Davy's flog he's doing like the short film content.

1162
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:05,760
But yeah, he's.

1163
00:53:05,639 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 2: Definitely doing the short form cunt.

1164
00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: I mean he's been filming, you obviously know, so I

1165
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,039
don't know if he's going to actually go vlog or

1166
00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:14,079
just continue with the short form sus. This stuff is

1167
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:17,239
great too, Like it's it's really really good. Some of

1168
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,280
it is a little kind of click baity, but I'm

1169
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,880
I think that's kind of I mean, I get what

1170
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,760
he's doing, I get it, but it's it's interesting that

1171
00:53:27,639 --> 00:53:30,440
for a long time, like the the high Stakes players

1172
00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:33,400
didn't really care to log. They just played, you know,

1173
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,800
and it's almost like they don't they didn't want to

1174
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,559
reveal stuff. They didn't want to give it out there.

1175
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:41,199
And not that not that Daniel was necessarily doing it,

1176
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,639
but you know, the people like Jeremy Osma, said Davies,

1177
00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:46,599
et cetera, like Mario Moss Block, like that's it's really

1178
00:53:46,639 --> 00:53:50,239
cool to see that. I've always thought for the longest

1179
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:54,159
time that Phil hellmu should have a vlog. That thing

1180
00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:58,159
would absolutely positively do numbers. I don't care if he

1181
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,440
talks a single ounce of strategy, but like, just be

1182
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:06,360
the while Phil, yeah, and just do it on camera.

1183
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:09,360
And I feel like Phil is at the stage in

1184
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,760
his career where you would just hire someone be like, hey, buddy,

1185
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,440
follow me twenty four to seven.

1186
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 2: Let's go.

1187
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna drop thirty seven thousand billionaire names in one episode.

1188
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,639
But but like people would eat that up, Like I

1189
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,039
cannot believe the content person, I mean, the marketing person

1190
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:33,119
in me cannot believe somebody who promotes promotes promotes like

1191
00:54:33,199 --> 00:54:39,280
Phil Helmet does. Saw the vlog that Daniel mcgrown who

1192
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,679
does and doesn't do one himself, That to me is

1193
00:54:42,679 --> 00:54:45,440
a huge miss. I mean, come on, Phil, like it's

1194
00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:49,039
just incredible, Like it should happen. That would be great.

1195
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,440
And we're in the day the day and age now

1196
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,519
where you know, people are just creating their own content.

1197
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:55,760
So you know, I think you got to go out

1198
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,679
there and do it yourself. Someone else, I think, And

1199
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,760
he joked about it on social media, Jeremy Beck, let's

1200
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,199
go back to make a big walk.

1201
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,679
Speaker 2: Let's let's go. Oh, I think we talked enough nonsense.

1202
00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:08,079
Speaker 3: We gotta do a draft though, Oh god, we do

1203
00:55:08,199 --> 00:55:09,159
have to do a draft.

1204
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: Because I'm getting blown out of this stupid freaking draft

1205
00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:19,679
that I put together that I thought I that I

1206
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,159
thought I was going to kick your freaking ass with

1207
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:25,840
and I was for a long time and then all

1208
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,639
of a sudden you just went nuts. But you like

1209
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:29,840
wanted to do something different.

1210
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we should do something different just because

1211
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,800
we we didn't draft for Texas because you know, we

1212
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,320
had none of our players going. So I think for

1213
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,440
this one. We have two more series for the year,

1214
00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:42,199
plus Super Higher roller Ball. I think we should do

1215
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,880
a draft for Paradise Fresh draft, five new faces, and

1216
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,000
then we'll do a one for Last Chance, completely new.

1217
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,320
So there's a Paradise and superher Paradise and Super High

1218
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,119
roller Ball and then Last Chance.

1219
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,079
Speaker 3: Okay, so since you were trailing.

1220
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: Best pick as Yosa, all right, Jeremy Osmas, Really, Jeremy

1221
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,679
fucking Ozma's baby. I got two picks, right, let's go, Yes,

1222
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:18,159
two picks. Give me d Naggs, give me Alex Foxon. Well,

1223
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,719
I'm gonna be buried even more. That's great, uh, Jesse

1224
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:28,239
Lonis and and I have no fucking clue this guy's

1225
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:28,920
going anywhere.

1226
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:30,599
Speaker 2: Sam's over.

1227
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 4: Oh that's who I was thinking. Good snot give me.

1228
00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:37,079
It wasn't the guy that I thought of, but that's

1229
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:43,280
who I was gonna take. Stevie Chadwick, Isaac Hackson.

1230
00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: I have no idea who's in the Bahamas. I've just

1231
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,440
been doing this event here. I have no idea what's

1232
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,079
going on down there. I mean, I guess I could

1233
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:55,239
just draft him. I mean it seems like a gambull.

1234
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:01,519
All right, whatever, Jason Kuhn, it's a good one. I mean,

1235
00:57:01,519 --> 00:57:03,320
I have no idea if he's gonna play super Lev

1236
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:04,480
or what he's going to do with his life.

1237
00:57:04,519 --> 00:57:06,519
Speaker 4: I'm not even drafting for the one hundred k as much.

1238
00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:09,280
I'm more drafting for Paradise. Yeah, true, but I mean,

1239
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,320
obviously I have some people that will probably play the

1240
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,079
hundred k bit I'm thinking just Paradise. This is only

1241
00:57:14,119 --> 00:57:17,360
PGT events, yeah, the ones that Yeah, yes, only PGT events.

1242
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:21,119
Speaker 2: I don't even remember what the PGT events are. I

1243
00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:21,679
gotta right here.

1244
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 3: Let me read about to you real quick.

1245
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,679
Speaker 4: You have the fifty k high roll that's as smart,

1246
00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:29,239
ten k super PLO plusus, the twenty five k main event,

1247
00:57:29,519 --> 00:57:33,199
the ten K EIGHTK mix, the fifty k PLO high Roller,

1248
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,360
and the twenty five k GG millions.

1249
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 2: All right, I guess I gotta go Sean Deep.

1250
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 3: God damn it, that was it.

1251
00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:44,159
Speaker 2: I guess I gotta go Sean Deep. You screwed it up.

1252
00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:46,039
Speaker 1: You read the list and I said, oh, those those

1253
00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:47,679
actually fittingto Sean Deep's.

1254
00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I was not taking it. Okay, give me.

1255
00:57:51,559 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 4: Jossamou you only have one pick, by the way, No wait,

1256
00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:57,519
no too, No, okay, away, hold.

1257
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,239
Speaker 2: On exactly read my team again, the Grand New Fox

1258
00:57:59,360 --> 00:57:59,840
and Chidwick.

1259
00:58:02,639 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 3: I mean Joe's going to play the Peelos. We played

1260
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:06,679
the mix.

1261
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,119
Speaker 2: Joe is really good appeal.

1262
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 3: Definitely not taking Nick Shulman.

1263
00:58:13,159 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 4: Well.

1264
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,119
Speaker 2: He was the one that I was like, I don't

1265
00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:17,599
even know what he's gonna do. Where is he? Do

1266
00:58:17,679 --> 00:58:18,639
we even know he is there?

1267
00:58:18,719 --> 00:58:22,639
Speaker 4: I know exactly where he is. He's sitting in going

1268
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,519
down setting bedding lines for the bowling. Actually, I've heard

1269
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:29,639
that bowling is off for a while. That might mean

1270
00:58:29,719 --> 00:58:31,800
he is going or at least focusing on the wind.

1271
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:34,599
Speaker 1: Is it off because he's going, or is it off

1272
00:58:34,639 --> 00:58:39,679
because everyone's fucking buried? Could be the It's most likely

1273
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,119
a combination of I've heard some people are buried in

1274
00:58:42,159 --> 00:58:42,519
the bowling.

1275
00:58:42,599 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 4: I'm gonna stick with my my Brazilian pick John all right,

1276
00:58:48,719 --> 00:58:50,719
all right, Joel, depending who you pick, I know who

1277
00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:52,039
who my backup was.

1278
00:58:52,119 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: But I got Ozma's, Lona's Silver Roll, Coon and Deep.

1279
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,599
You got near New Fox and Chidwick, Hackston and SOMEU

1280
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,920
I was flirting with, you know, but he's there, you

1281
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,360
know in Dalla Sam's overall.

1282
00:59:03,199 --> 00:59:05,599
Speaker 4: But he might not play as big he might play it.

1283
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:08,360
Feel like because he's there, he's playing it. That's Mike

1284
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,760
News who knows.

1285
00:59:12,199 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: All right, I think that's it. How much here's a

1286
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:15,320
question for you.

1287
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,159
Speaker 4: How much do you think you'll spend in the next

1288
00:59:17,199 --> 00:59:20,119
three weeks playing poker twenty one?

1289
00:59:21,719 --> 00:59:23,679
Speaker 3: Are you serious? Are you playing the main event?

1290
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: No?

1291
00:59:25,639 --> 00:59:27,239
Speaker 3: How do you get to twenty you rich?

1292
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 2: I mean eight bolts and WPT prime. Okay, that's a

1293
00:59:30,679 --> 00:59:32,079
K eighty eight hundred.

1294
00:59:32,679 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 3: Oh yes, it's eleven hundred, eight eight hundred.

1295
00:59:35,159 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: There's a twenty two hundred dollars at Venetian the poker event,

1296
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,159
a million dollar guaranteed.

1297
00:59:42,199 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 2: There, yep, there's I'm playing.

1298
00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:45,719
Speaker 5: I'm not.

1299
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: I'm not planning to play the WPT World Championship the

1300
00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:51,880
ten k. By the way, it was a funny tweet

1301
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,360
that Eric Baldwin had, you know, like I love mysteries,

1302
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,079
I love quests, but I like a big guaranteed ten

1303
00:59:57,159 --> 00:59:59,000
care or something like that, like which was way better.

1304
00:59:59,079 --> 01:00:01,760
Of course, I we'll play the eleven dollar, one hundred

1305
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:06,280
c guarantee satellite, but that happens on the same day

1306
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:07,800
that I want to play the twenty two hundred dollars

1307
01:00:08,119 --> 01:00:12,159
Venetian which that event that twenty two hundred dollar at

1308
01:00:12,199 --> 01:00:15,599
Venetian million dollar guarantee. I mean, that's a fucking stretch

1309
01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:18,840
for them. Like that's a big Like it only has

1310
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,119
two day ones. The first day one happens on day

1311
01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:25,800
one d of prime, so like that's I mean, that's

1312
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,039
like a that's a reach. I mean, listen, I love

1313
01:00:28,119 --> 01:00:31,079
to see it. I'm all for no fake guarantees, you

1314
01:00:31,199 --> 01:00:35,400
know I am, But that is that's gonna be something.

1315
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,639
So we'll see how that one goes. So, yeah, that

1316
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:40,679
eleven hundred dollars one about twelve twelve one.

1317
01:00:41,159 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 2: There is.

1318
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,639
Speaker 1: There's another two million dollar guarantee eleven hundred as part

1319
01:00:47,639 --> 01:00:48,800
of the WPT series.

1320
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,079
Speaker 2: So there's that gonna put two bullets in that. I mean,

1321
01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:52,519
hopefully I don't put you three.

1322
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:57,599
Speaker 1: After Christmas, Venetian has like this New Year's series in

1323
01:00:57,719 --> 01:01:01,360
combination with the MSPT there's a sixty hundred dollars five

1324
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,760
hundred K guarantee to well I don't know about this one,

1325
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:05,199
and it.

1326
01:01:05,239 --> 01:01:06,119
Speaker 2: Goes into the next year.

1327
01:01:06,159 --> 01:01:07,719
Speaker 1: Like there's like a twenty two hundred like right after

1328
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,559
the New Year, which I haven't This isn't even in

1329
01:01:09,679 --> 01:01:11,920
this package that I put together because I don't know.

1330
01:01:13,079 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 2: We can talk about this next. I'll tell you in

1331
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:15,159
a second. But hold on.

1332
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: So I have that, there's like and then there's like

1333
01:01:18,039 --> 01:01:19,320
I don't know, there's like a two hundred and fifty

1334
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,800
k either a six hundred and eight hundred, like, I mean,

1335
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,719
there's a lot of stuff in there. I mean, hold on,

1336
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,280
I have a right here because I have my package up. Yeah,

1337
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,760
eight bolts in that twenty two hundred. That oh, there's

1338
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,000
at the win there's a sixteen hundred dollars one million

1339
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,199
dollar guarantee.

1340
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 3: So there's that. It's a lot of events.

1341
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,519
Speaker 1: There's that eleven hundred. Oh, the the five hundred k

1342
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:40,000
evnation is an eleven hundred, not a sixteen hundred. Sorry,

1343
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,480
So yeah, the package comes to twenty one thousand, five

1344
01:01:43,559 --> 01:01:44,000
hundred dollars.

1345
01:01:44,039 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 3: I've only mean, I'm not even gonna spend like four K.

1346
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: But but I'm but I'm giving myself. Man, how many

1347
01:01:50,519 --> 01:01:52,639
bullts do I have here? Nineteen bullets?

1348
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I mean she gets some Yeah, I mean

1349
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:56,320
just backprime deck.

1350
01:01:57,239 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: Last package I played, I got fucking zero. So like

1351
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,400
what you know, I mean, I hope I do well,

1352
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:06,719
but you never know. Aria has the series here. Yeah, right,

1353
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,679
they have their main event is I believe a sixteen

1354
01:02:09,719 --> 01:02:12,119
hundred dollar main event. I think it's two day ones

1355
01:02:12,159 --> 01:02:14,400
and then a day two five hundred K guarantee. You know,

1356
01:02:14,519 --> 01:02:16,480
I I want to play that. I don't know if

1357
01:02:16,519 --> 01:02:19,519
I will, but yeah, there's a lot of stuff that's

1358
01:02:19,559 --> 01:02:21,199
going on in the city. It's also one of those

1359
01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:24,280
things where like I've written these events down in my schedule.

1360
01:02:24,599 --> 01:02:26,599
These are like the targets that I'm gonna play, but

1361
01:02:27,239 --> 01:02:29,079
I don't know. Let's say I bag the first day

1362
01:02:29,159 --> 01:02:31,639
of Prime Perfect and I have all that extra money,

1363
01:02:31,679 --> 01:02:33,480
like I might just find other stuff because like there's

1364
01:02:33,519 --> 01:02:34,159
so much stuff for.

1365
01:02:34,239 --> 01:02:36,599
Speaker 3: Some sound day events here at Aria, So that's probably.

1366
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,079
Speaker 1: There's single single day stuff here at Aria. There's stuff

1367
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:42,360
at Venetian, there's the resorts. It's like there's shit literally everywhere.

1368
01:02:42,519 --> 01:02:45,559
There's stuff every I think every night at the Win

1369
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:47,639
because I played some of these last year, they have

1370
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,480
like in eleven hundred dollars buying like two hundred k

1371
01:02:50,599 --> 01:02:54,000
turbo basically, like it's just like this is NonStop poker.

1372
01:02:54,119 --> 01:02:57,599
I mean it's bananas here in the month of December.

1373
01:02:58,199 --> 01:03:00,440
So yeah, I mean I'm gonna try and go. Now,

1374
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:03,320
my question is, I have no idea what's gonna happen

1375
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,000
next year with this tax thing. I honestly have no idea.

1376
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:09,480
I hear I talk to one person there, you know,

1377
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,599
roses and rainbows and fucking unicorns, like it's gonna be cool,

1378
01:03:12,719 --> 01:03:15,480
it's gonna be fine, it might get fixed, who cares.

1379
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,039
I talk to other people and everyone's like totally doom

1380
01:03:18,119 --> 01:03:21,840
and gloom. I'm not playing anything above two K. I'm

1381
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,239
only gonna play on offshore sites or crypto sites or

1382
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,440
all that sort of stuff. I'm only gonna play cash games,

1383
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,239
like you know. So I have no idea what to expect. Yeah,

1384
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:34,280
I personally don't want to like break even on a

1385
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,199
year and have to pay a lot more money in taxes.

1386
01:03:36,239 --> 01:03:38,280
I don't want to do that, you know, as much

1387
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,960
as I love playing poker tournaments and that's what I

1388
01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:44,480
want to play, I mean I can't. I mean, you're

1389
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,159
basically getting hit with another ten percent of rate, which

1390
01:03:47,199 --> 01:03:47,760
is insane.

1391
01:03:48,079 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 2: So I don't. I have no idea what to expect.

1392
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 4: Now.

1393
01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:55,599
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's one of those things where like I

1394
01:03:55,719 --> 01:03:57,239
look at it and I say, you know what, I'll

1395
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:01,360
just bite the bullet because if if the players that

1396
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:05,079
play at my level of buy ins regularly, the pros

1397
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,599
opt to not play the tournaments because of the taxes,

1398
01:04:08,639 --> 01:04:12,440
because those type of guys, you know, they I don't

1399
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,199
put in the volume that they do, right, So maybe

1400
01:04:15,239 --> 01:04:17,159
they they because they put in such a high volume.

1401
01:04:17,199 --> 01:04:19,000
Look at Jeremy Becker for example. You know I'm out

1402
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:20,719
there playing to see him in all the tournaments, right,

1403
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:22,199
I mean, how much does he spend in buyings a

1404
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,079
year at like the let's say three K and let's

1405
01:04:25,079 --> 01:04:27,239
say six hundred to three K buying level, he probably

1406
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,519
spends fucking three hund K and buyt say, yeah, okay,

1407
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:33,559
fifty at least. So for somebody like him, is he

1408
01:04:33,719 --> 01:04:37,880
gonna play all those tournaments again? Because if he breaks

1409
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,039
even on let's say three under K and byens, he

1410
01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:42,280
can only write off two seventy, so he gets taxed

1411
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,519
on that thirty K difference, Like you know what I mean.

1412
01:04:45,639 --> 01:04:49,920
So so those players maybe they don't play, which what

1413
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,800
I'm getting at is then because if you have less

1414
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,360
Jeremi Becker's in the field, the field is just a

1415
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,039
bunch of recreationals that play like me.

1416
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:58,119
Speaker 2: Now, whether they're serious or not.

1417
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: I would consider myself a serious recreational, you know, which

1418
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,039
doesn't mean that you're not. When I say recreational, I

1419
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:06,320
don't necessarily mean a bad player. I just mean somebody

1420
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,119
that doesn't put in a ton of volume. You know,

1421
01:05:08,199 --> 01:05:11,599
you play between let's say ten to forty events a year.

1422
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,199
It just I think it makes the field a little

1423
01:05:15,199 --> 01:05:18,239
bit softer. So do I then just bite the bullet

1424
01:05:18,599 --> 01:05:20,920
and play in those events because the field might be

1425
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:21,559
a little bit softer?

1426
01:05:21,719 --> 01:05:22,079
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1427
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: Also, does the fact that if if it does turn

1428
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:29,159
out that less players are playing tournaments, do guarantees go down?

1429
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,239
Speaker 2: Is it less lucrative to get out there? I don't know.

1430
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,039
I have no fucking idea what to expect.

1431
01:05:33,239 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the casinos, the operators will have to

1432
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:39,280
kind of adjust guarantees. My viewpoint is that the Super Rex,

1433
01:05:39,639 --> 01:05:43,519
you know, if they're going to have big scores, I

1434
01:05:43,559 --> 01:05:45,920
don't think they're going to change their play until the

1435
01:05:46,039 --> 01:05:47,960
next year when they get hit with the Texas. I

1436
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:49,519
don't think they ahead of it. I don't think they're

1437
01:05:49,519 --> 01:05:51,559
thinking about it. They're just playing to play. They're not

1438
01:05:51,639 --> 01:05:54,599
even aware of the tax changes. The more accomplished res.

1439
01:05:54,719 --> 01:05:57,320
I think that would I would put kind of you know,

1440
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,280
the more aware rex, I'd say that's me. I don't

1441
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,920
think they'll do that much difference because it's hard to

1442
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:04,920
hit those you know, those taxable amounts, So I think

1443
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,119
that will say the same. I think the highest stakes

1444
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,800
people will probably not play as much or really value huntings.

1445
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,920
So the random, you know, high roller events may not

1446
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,079
be as good. But the ones with a lot of

1447
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:16,639
you know.

1448
01:06:16,679 --> 01:06:19,039
Speaker 1: The bigger the the bigger the field, I think those

1449
01:06:19,079 --> 01:06:22,679
will kind of stay, you know the same. It's also

1450
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:27,480
one of those things where like I saw like Dinatitis,

1451
01:06:28,119 --> 01:06:30,719
who's the center? Do I believe for Nevada? She had

1452
01:06:30,719 --> 01:06:32,639
a whole thing out there. She's trying to get it changed.

1453
01:06:33,239 --> 01:06:34,599
You know, the post that she put out there on

1454
01:06:34,639 --> 01:06:37,440
social media has well over a million views on it.

1455
01:06:37,559 --> 01:06:40,199
Like she's doing her work, okay, to try and get

1456
01:06:40,239 --> 01:06:42,159
it changed because it's it's not fair, and I think

1457
01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:44,519
she's calling the amendment like the Fair Bed Act and whatever.

1458
01:06:45,639 --> 01:06:48,960
But then you see Tony Dunst like quote tweet her thing,

1459
01:06:49,519 --> 01:06:53,880
and you know he's talking about how like how he

1460
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,119
thinks it's going to go Basically that it's bad, you

1461
01:06:56,239 --> 01:06:58,840
have pads, Patrick Leonard putting the whole thing out on

1462
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,760
his Instagram. How it's a you know, all that sort

1463
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:05,159
of stuff. Now, what I'm getting at is people see

1464
01:07:05,239 --> 01:07:08,280
people like Tony Dunsk Patrick Kleander, like the big names

1465
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,039
talking about how bad it is, and people are cheap,

1466
01:07:11,199 --> 01:07:14,239
they will follow. So like the regular person might be like,

1467
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,280
well this person said it was bad, so it's bad.

1468
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,559
So I'm not gonna play like, so does that happen?

1469
01:07:19,079 --> 01:07:21,159
You know, just like when we talked about how like

1470
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:23,519
remember it was like, hey, the pros need to stop

1471
01:07:23,559 --> 01:07:26,639
wearing hoodies and sunglasses because all the recreationals just copy

1472
01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:29,400
the pros. Like you just see what the pros do.

1473
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:31,440
You hear what the pros say, and you just think, okay,

1474
01:07:31,519 --> 01:07:33,679
I'm just gonna follow that. So I mean, yes, the

1475
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,960
bill fucking sucks. It absolutely sucks that it's happening too.

1476
01:07:37,079 --> 01:07:38,760
So I have no idea what's going to go on.

1477
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:40,639
Speaker 4: There isn't there is a chance that you know it

1478
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:44,079
although it's in plant for IIA, it could be retroactively

1479
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,800
removed as in like and then it doesn't you know,

1480
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,440
you don't have to do your taxes until twenty twenty seven,

1481
01:07:50,599 --> 01:07:54,559
So that is that kind of out for us. And

1482
01:07:54,599 --> 01:07:56,559
my other thing is like, to be honest, what are

1483
01:07:56,599 --> 01:07:59,360
these guys going to do if you're a lost fake,

1484
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,920
if you're a Jeremy Becka who actually like I just

1485
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,440
found out, just bought a computer.

1486
01:08:05,719 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 3: Online events and finished.

1487
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,199
Speaker 1: But I was literally with him when he was like

1488
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,920
gonna buy the computer. We were at Venetian. He comes

1489
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,320
over to me. He's like, we're playing something I don't

1490
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,239
know with some eight hundred or some ship and he's like,

1491
01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:20,119
you know what, I think I'm gonna go buy a computer.

1492
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,680
I was like, WHOA, Like you're gonna He's like, yeah,

1493
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,039
I think I'm gonna go buy one. He's like can

1494
01:08:24,079 --> 01:08:25,840
I So like if I buy one?

1495
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 2: Can I just like? How do I get on SP?

1496
01:08:30,119 --> 01:08:30,399
Speaker 3: Can? I just?

1497
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 2: I was like, first of all, you can get on

1498
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:32,720
w SP right now on your phone.

1499
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,319
Speaker 1: He's like, oh you can, like, buddy, yes, open the

1500
01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:38,000
app store and I had to get I was like, okay,

1501
01:08:38,079 --> 01:08:40,319
type in WIP, Yes, it's that one right there. You know,

1502
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,079
real money in ne battle like sign up you're in? Yeah,

1503
01:08:43,159 --> 01:08:46,039
So he's he's in. He said he played two events

1504
01:08:46,079 --> 01:08:49,159
to Brace two circuit events and finished ninth and night. Yeah,

1505
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:52,600
of course, so Jeremie Becker's what Jeremy Becker day. I mean,

1506
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:56,279
the thing is is like something much difference. I mean,

1507
01:08:56,359 --> 01:08:58,199
those players, like I don't I don't know exactly what

1508
01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:00,920
they're gonna do, but I feel like a fair amount

1509
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:06,640
of them might go play cash. Not that he but

1510
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:08,960
like maybe they all just go play cash, which kind

1511
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,039
of makes the cast game shitty because now it's a

1512
01:09:11,079 --> 01:09:13,840
bunch of good players. So it's it's, you know, I

1513
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:17,279
don't know. I like the competition of tournaments. I like

1514
01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:19,800
being able to chase like a first place prize and

1515
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:23,600
hopefully get to that. Like, I like tournaments a lot better.

1516
01:09:24,279 --> 01:09:28,560
You know. Another thing is like again, people stop playing

1517
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,119
on sites that are tracked, They play on crypto sites,

1518
01:09:31,159 --> 01:09:33,520
off shore sites, et cetera, like all that sort of stuff,

1519
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,039
which I don't want to do that you know, I

1520
01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:39,560
probably won't, you know, So I don't know. It's it's

1521
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,560
just it's annoying and it's frustrating that it's happening. But

1522
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,880
it's happening and it's about to be here. So part

1523
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,800
of my playing this month is like, well, maybe this

1524
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:49,640
is just one last fucking Hurrah and let's just go

1525
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:50,279
out with a bang.

1526
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 2: Fuck it, Like who cares?

1527
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 1: You know. The other part of me is like, I

1528
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,039
don't know what's going to happen next year. I mean

1529
01:09:56,079 --> 01:09:57,720
we've even talked about it on the pgt Are we

1530
01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:59,479
gonna have to scale back buy ins and kind of

1531
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,359
change the way we structure the tour If higher buying

1532
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:07,159
players aren't frequenting those price points as much, who knows.

1533
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,199
At the end of the day, I want to always

1534
01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:14,640
believe that no matter what happens, poker will always be there,

1535
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,720
no matter what, Like it'll always be like we joked,

1536
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,039
you know, there was a joke what three, four or

1537
01:10:20,039 --> 01:10:22,680
five years ago everyone was always say, Poker's dead, Poker's dead,

1538
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,359
Poker's dead. Like, Poker's not dead, Poker's not going anywhere,

1539
01:10:26,319 --> 01:10:27,840
you know. But at the end of the day, you

1540
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,920
still have to worry about your own bottom line. And

1541
01:10:32,199 --> 01:10:35,680
you know, it's not easy now to play live and

1542
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,600
fight the rake and all that sort of stuff. The

1543
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,560
lower volume that you're able to get in live and whatnot, Like, yeah,

1544
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:43,479
maybe you can make up for some of it because

1545
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:47,000
live poker is a bit softer than online. But now

1546
01:10:47,039 --> 01:10:50,159
you've got to worry about again another ten percent rake,

1547
01:10:50,359 --> 01:10:53,479
which just sucks. So I don't know, I don't know

1548
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:57,199
what's going to happen. And yeah, I mean I'm definitely

1549
01:10:57,279 --> 01:10:59,880
like I already know that. Like there's like there's some

1550
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,840
big stuff happening in January, like right away, like the

1551
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:03,840
win announced there.

1552
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:05,159
Speaker 2: I don't even know what.

1553
01:11:05,159 --> 01:11:09,520
Speaker 1: It's called full signature series. It's one of their signature series.

1554
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:10,760
I don't know if it has a name, but they

1555
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,840
have they have one of those like happened, Like, am

1556
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,279
I just gonna like show up to win and just

1557
01:11:17,319 --> 01:11:18,279
start blasting again?

1558
01:11:18,359 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 2: Like I don't know.

1559
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 4: I might.

1560
01:11:20,039 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 1: I'm probably just gonna play like a wait and see

1561
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:27,239
approach and I don't know, so we'll see. Or maybe

1562
01:11:27,239 --> 01:11:28,760
I can just win a million dollars in December and

1563
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:29,439
say the hell with it?

1564
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:30,119
Speaker 2: Who cares?

1565
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that would be good. That's you know, that

1566
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,039
would be a good plan. Just win WPT Prime and

1567
01:11:35,239 --> 01:11:36,720
you know, then nothing matters.

1568
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:39,359
Speaker 2: But it just kind of sucks.

1569
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,279
Speaker 1: So but I mean, we talk about our results, and

1570
01:11:42,359 --> 01:11:44,159
we will on this podcast in a couple of weeks

1571
01:11:44,199 --> 01:11:46,880
when the year's over, Like I'm not like winning a

1572
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,279
bunch of money playing poker tournaments every year. I mean,

1573
01:11:49,319 --> 01:11:50,600
this year I might be up because I had the

1574
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:53,079
WSB Main Event run. But like, so I'm in that

1575
01:11:53,239 --> 01:11:56,279
camp of like, if I break even, I can only

1576
01:11:56,319 --> 01:11:58,760
write off the ninety percent, which sucks.

1577
01:11:59,399 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 4: I think if I play the full slate of events

1578
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,439
that I'm planning this coming few weeks, I think I'll

1579
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:07,119
be and break I think I'll be break even for

1580
01:12:07,159 --> 01:12:07,439
the year.

1581
01:12:08,279 --> 01:12:12,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, but next year you would have to pay tax

1582
01:12:12,359 --> 01:12:14,079
on you know, you can only write off the ninety

1583
01:12:14,079 --> 01:12:16,600
percent if that same thing happened next year, if I

1584
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,960
have I'm saying taxable results, but I'm saying that's what

1585
01:12:20,079 --> 01:12:21,880
we're all looking at ahead of times, which is just

1586
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:22,720
it's just annoying.

1587
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,319
Speaker 4: If you cash for four k in every event, four

1588
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:28,079
k profit, nothing goes to the irs.

1589
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:31,359
Speaker 2: If you cash for four k, well you're going to

1590
01:12:31,399 --> 01:12:32,600
get to the pay dem and just bust.

1591
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,560
Speaker 4: No, what I'm saying is, if you play like Venetian

1592
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,319
eight hundreds to hit taxable amounts is basically you have

1593
01:12:38,399 --> 01:12:40,960
the final table every time. But if you play a

1594
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,000
ten k high roller, yeah, I'm in cash is taxable

1595
01:12:44,039 --> 01:12:46,600
amount right, Yeah, I understand. So, Like I think the

1596
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:48,920
lowest and like it pretty much.

1597
01:12:49,039 --> 01:12:50,039
Speaker 2: I'm trying to win money.

1598
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying to win money and then hopefully offset it

1599
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:57,840
with my losses to at worst case scenario, you know,

1600
01:12:58,039 --> 01:13:01,000
mitigate the losses, maybe break even, you know, at the

1601
01:13:01,119 --> 01:13:02,359
chance of hitting a big score.

1602
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,399
Speaker 4: But it's also a winning You're gonna have winnings that

1603
01:13:04,399 --> 01:13:06,880
are untaxed. I understand, but I mean you can have

1604
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:07,880
losses to ride off.

1605
01:13:08,039 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 3: So like the I mean, we're not We're not smart

1606
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:13,000
enough to figure this stuff out.

1607
01:13:13,079 --> 01:13:16,279
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like I all, all I know

1608
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:19,399
at this point is like I don't know which is annoying.

1609
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,640
Like the part that I don't know is annoyed because

1610
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:23,840
you talk to some people and it's like it's not

1611
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:25,840
gonna matter, it's gonna be the same whatever. You talk

1612
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:27,439
to other people, it's like, well, I'm not going to

1613
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:29,319
play this, that and the other thing. You know, it's

1614
01:13:29,319 --> 01:13:31,359
gonna kind of suck. So I just don't know. I

1615
01:13:31,399 --> 01:13:33,560
would rather just, you know, not have to deal with

1616
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,520
this stuff and just be able to play some freaking poker.

1617
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:37,680
Like I mean, it's hard enough to have to go

1618
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,840
out there and play poker with all these places that

1619
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,000
are raising rake all the time and all this sort

1620
01:13:43,039 --> 01:13:45,560
of stuff like that. That's hard enough, So can the

1621
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,560
government not make it harder too? I mean, come on, like,

1622
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:52,159
you know, so hopefully things get changed. It would be

1623
01:13:52,159 --> 01:13:53,840
great if they did. I don't know if they are,

1624
01:13:54,039 --> 01:13:55,439
but yeah, I mean we'll see.

1625
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,520
Speaker 2: So that's that, all right? You got anything else?

1626
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 3: No, we need some We just need some luck this month.

1627
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:03,079
Speaker 2: Some luck.

1628
01:14:03,159 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, you definitely some fucking luck. Last series I played,

1629
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,880
I literally went over. I mean I I played the

1630
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:12,000
NAPT Las Vegas main event. I was out in Level one.

1631
01:14:12,279 --> 01:14:16,079
That was fucking glorious. I was out in level one

1632
01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:19,359
of the Poker Stars Open that they had. Then I

1633
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:22,920
Stone fucking bubbled that same tournament. Re entered and stone

1634
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:26,560
bubbled the tournament, just absolutely stupid. So that whole series

1635
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:30,439
was just effing spectacular for me. And yeah, here I

1636
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:35,840
am ready to go again. Baby, let's freaking go. But

1637
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,159
like I was thinking today actually on the way in,

1638
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:39,960
when I was driving in, I was like, you know,

1639
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:44,800
because like I was, I was, I talked about my schedule, right.

1640
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:49,199
I tried to like map out the whole schedule. There's

1641
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:52,159
way too much stuff. Basically, I've been telling like some

1642
01:14:52,279 --> 01:14:54,600
of my investors for this one. You know, normally I

1643
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,039
do like kind of reserve the right to like put

1644
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,239
any unusable it's like back into stuff. But I'll I'll

1645
01:15:00,319 --> 01:15:02,199
usually always ask be like, hey, guys, like, what do

1646
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:03,880
you think I have these unusable? Should I go do

1647
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:07,039
this whatever? Now I'm basically being like I might not ask.

1648
01:15:07,079 --> 01:15:08,880
I might just go do it, Like I might bust

1649
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:10,520
a turna and be like, oh, well there's this over here,

1650
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:12,560
I'll just go over there and play. Yeah, like I'm

1651
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,520
just going to try and like basically be a poker

1652
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,319
pro for a month and see how it goes. So

1653
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,279
either I'm going to show up here on December twentieth,

1654
01:15:20,319 --> 01:15:24,239
which is my birthday for super high Rollable Working, or

1655
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,239
December nineteen, I'm gonna tell you guys to fuck off

1656
01:15:26,239 --> 01:15:26,800
because I'm rich.

1657
01:15:27,199 --> 01:15:29,520
Speaker 3: That's what you buy in on Dember twenty. That's cool.

1658
01:15:30,399 --> 01:15:31,159
I would never buy it.

1659
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:32,600
Speaker 2: I would never buy it.

1660
01:15:33,079 --> 01:15:37,600
Speaker 1: I if I won WPT prime that's not enough and

1661
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:41,119
could sell eighty percent of my action, I might blast it.

1662
01:15:42,079 --> 01:15:43,840
If you could sell eighty percent and just fire over

1663
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,600
twenty for like you know, with ships and giggles, like

1664
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,239
just one one point five million, that's what I mean.

1665
01:15:49,279 --> 01:15:53,479
Maybe two Yeah, like that'd be like, you know, yeah, okay.

1666
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:54,640
Speaker 2: Like why not at that point?

1667
01:15:55,039 --> 01:15:57,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the year you can still write off

1668
01:15:57,079 --> 01:15:58,359
one hundred percent, so you might as well you.

1669
01:15:58,399 --> 01:15:59,359
Speaker 3: Know, oh yeah, good punt.

1670
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:05,319
Speaker 1: Yet it exactly so, which is also why you know,

1671
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:07,159
we are like, what what do you think we're gonna

1672
01:16:07,159 --> 01:16:09,159
get for super high rollable. I'm like, well, might just

1673
01:16:09,159 --> 01:16:10,800
get a bunch of freaking blasters at the end of

1674
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:14,560
the year, one lasserraw type of thing. So anyway, but

1675
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:16,119
what I was saying is that as I was driving

1676
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:17,680
in here and I was thinking about my schedule, I

1677
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:19,720
was like very happy with the fact that I'm like

1678
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:23,079
I have the itch and the motivation to just want

1679
01:16:23,159 --> 01:16:25,600
to play and hopefully do my best. And I'm happy

1680
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,479
that I got that back because sometimes you're like I

1681
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:29,840
don't want to play, I don't want to do it,

1682
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:31,079
And now I'm just like, I want to play, I

1683
01:16:31,159 --> 01:16:32,399
want to go, I want to grind, I want to

1684
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:33,199
you know whatever.

1685
01:16:33,399 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, awesome, all right, that's gonna do it for us.

1686
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:38,039
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1687
01:16:38,159 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: His name is Tim Duckworth, my name is Donnie Peters,

1688
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,600
and we will talk to you guys hopefully in a week,

1689
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,039
but we'll see. I think after Christmas.

1690
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:48,079
Speaker 2: No, we got to do at least one or two

1691
01:16:48,119 --> 01:16:48,880
before Christmas.

1692
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:53,199
Speaker 1: For sure. We'll do one after I win WPT Prime. Okay, Okay,

1693
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,680
for sure. Well here's what we'll do. We'll do one

1694
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:57,560
when I make the final table of Prime because then

1695
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:01,119
there's like a week off, and then one after I win. Okay,

1696
01:17:01,399 --> 01:17:03,840
So those will be the two. All right, it sounds perfect, right.

1697
01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:05,760
Or we can do one about how I'm broke and

1698
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,920
I need to do a go fund it and instot

1699
01:17:08,079 --> 01:17:09,520
nineteen ad raids to China.

1700
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,199
Speaker 2: You go exactly all right, that's gonna do it for us.

1701
01:17:12,359 --> 01:17:12,960
We'll talk to you guys.

1702
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:20,399
Speaker 3: Let's say yeah, chen Express