Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the
Poker Go over Go Podcast. My name is Donny Peters.
His name is Tim Duckworth. How are you good?
Speaker 2: Great?
Speaker 1: Another new setting for the podcast right in front of
this lovely led screen. Just wrapped up the PGT true
classic Rags, two riches, not really an agenda on today's show.
Last time, we talked about how we wanted to hit
on some stuff before we were abruptly kicked out of
our studio. But we'll hit on some of those topics.
But I don't know, kind of unprepared, kind of just
going to be firing from the hip. But maybe that'll
produce a good show.
Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll see.
Speaker 1: We'll let producer rich Ryan tell us if this was
good or bad, and then we're gonnajus going forward. Yeah,
how's that sound to you?
Speaker 3: Good for me?
Speaker 1: You're not very lively today. Not enough coffee today, not
enough coffee, And I tried to get you to go
get more coffee, and you're like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: So that's probably my fault, that's what I'm.
Speaker 1: Probably your coke. It is Friday, December fifth, It is
six eleven pm. And because it is Friday, December fifth,
you've got a few days left to head on over
to play poker Go. Play poker go dot com. You
can also download it to your iOS device, to your
Android device. All you gotta do sign up for a
free account, play a free hand, one single hand of
Allline poker. It's free, and do that before December tenth
so you can get automatically entered to win a dream
seat into the PGT Million Dollar Championship. That drawing is
going to happen on December eleventh, So you got a
couple of days left to get in there, play that freehand,
and then hopefully you're coming out here to Las Vegas,
to the pork Gro Studio and competing in that event.
First place is going to be five hundred thousand dollars.
The top six are going to pay out. There's going
to be what fifty four entries fifty four, Yeah, so
you've got a really damn good shot of like actually
winning that tournament. You know, it's not like we're you're
coming out here to play a two thousand player field
or something like that. No legitimate shot nopeburch is necessary.
Of course, must be twenty one or older in the
US resident to enter. Full details can be found at
poker groat dot com slash rules. All right, first things first,
what'd you think of this True Classic event?
Speaker 3: It was good. It was fun.
Speaker 4: Having the you know, fifteen True Classic giveaway winners in
the field. I think attracted a you know, some new
faces and new names into the Progo studio to play.
Obviously we have the ten seats guaranteed in the satellite
end up getting.
Speaker 3: A maybeing one of them as well.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 4: So that was obviously good, you know, attracting some new
people and everything here.
Speaker 3: And it was a different event. It was. It was
our first three K no limit hold them event here in.
Speaker 4: The studio, so that that was a good thing to
break through, to break the ice. And I think kind of, hey,
maybe we do you know, a few more three ks
on the PGT in the twenty twenty sixth season.
Speaker 3: I think there's an avatite for him.
Speaker 4: We saw what was one hundred odd players on Day
one B so hey, you know, I feel like that's
probably what we could expect if we did more of
these in a time slot where we can have the
full attention of our playable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: Timeslot was something you know, we'll want to maybe improve
upon for next year. There are always things that we
want to improve upon for the next time around. Speaking
with Ryan Bartlett, co founder of True Classic, he's gung
ho on this event, trying to go bigger and better
with it. He was pumped to be here. He was
out here for the last two days. He got to
meet a lot of those fifteen qualifiers or fifteen giveaway
winners that you mentioned. Two of them cashed, Mark Anthony
Debello cash for twelve k. James Anderson cashed for eight k,
so good on them, and yeah, they did well with everything.
So you know, two out of fifteen not bad. A
couple of the players you saw, Luke Burnham took a
horrible beat. Was a King's births as king for like
the chip lead on day one beat, Yeah exactly, So
you know, stuff like that breaks the other way and
maybe we got some more people going deep. But all
in all, I think it was a good event, a
good foundational start to everything. And then of course you
know we'll we'll go from there and we'll grow as
we go. And then speaking of Ryan Bartlett, we were
able to speak with him after the event ended. Did
a little interview with him, talked with him about the promotion,
the giveaway, the event as a whole, true classic giving back,
all that sort of stuff. So let's hear from Ryan
right now, and then we will come on back on
the other side.
Speaker 5: I mean, you guys know that we are really big
in the philanthropy, really big into giving, and you know,
since we're already partnered with Poker Go, it just made
sense to figure out how to bring value to some
people in the poker community that you know, we could
help put them into a tournament and make some money.
So it was kind of the perfect combination of like
a little bit of philanthropy mixed with a little bit
of gambling, and you get this rexter Wig a tournament.
I mean, I still secretly wish that I could have
made it work some way somehow, but I just was
not good enough. I Mean, these guys are the pros, obviously,
but I'm such a gambler at heart. I gamble a
lot in business. I take a lot of big bets
and have a high risk tolerance.
Speaker 2: So I still have that.
Speaker 5: Poker player in me to this day. It just plays
out very differently in the business world than at the
Poker Table.
Speaker 2: I just hope that they know that we're here to.
Speaker 5: Show up for the community in one way or the other,
whether it's the poker tournaments or giving out free credit
or whatever we figure out to give back to the community.
I just want to continue to be one of those
brands it just shows up some way, somehow, other than
just being another branded sponsor. I mean, within the poker community,
there's a lot to give. I mean, there's a lot
of things we can do. I think the tournament was
a good start. I want to brainstorm for the World
Series next year on what we can do to show up.
I know a couple of years prior, we tried to
show up with gift bags and things that the players
would need at the World Series that would help them
get to their day. So, you know, it's gonna be
more tournaments, more ways to give. I don't know, we'll
see where it goes, but I'm gonna rely on you
guys to how brainstorm.
Speaker 2: It all right.
Speaker 1: That was true Classic co founder Ryan Barlett, a former
poker player in his own right, but as he'll tell you,
poker didn't quite go so well for him, and then
he went on to get involved into some other businesses,
and eventually True Classic took off, and you know, now
it's basically taking over the world as it's taking over
the Poker Go studio. So it's good to get brands
like this involved in poker. I feel like it's few
and far between these days too. It to one to
just get sponsors to care about poker like they once did, right,
that's like the first hurdle, and then also get sponsors
involved that are tied to poker. They have poker roots,
they want to give back, they want to do good
things and also something that can benefit poker players. I mean,
he gave a lot of value, you know to the
fifteen giveaway winners got to come out here.
Speaker 2: They're into five thousand dollars package.
Speaker 1: They played in the thirty three hundred dollar event, they
got three nights at Aria, they got flights, that sort
of stuff. They also got True Classic gear. Even today,
you know, Ryan's hitting me up before the stream starts
and he's like, hey, I got twenty five one hundred
dollars codes. Let's give him out on the stream to
the fans, you know, do that sort of stuff, like,
I mean, he really does want to give back as
much as possible to the poker community, and he really
wants to help people to chase their dreams. So that's great.
You know, It's it's one thing to get a sponsor
out here and slap their logo on stuff, but it's
great to really get that integration, that engagement through it all. So,
you know, I'm very pleased with everything and being able
to work with True Classic because you know, they see
the vision that we're trying to create here and that's
that's always fun to have.
Speaker 2: So sweet. You got any final thoughts on the event?
Speaker 4: I guess we can talk a little bit about the
PGT Labbol you know, was a PGT qual It.
Speaker 1: Was a pg That's why it was called the PGT
True Classic. Rags, two riches.
Speaker 4: Two kind of people. I'm going to talk about one
Michael Wang final type.
Speaker 1: And we should quickly before you get to that, we
should say that Daniel Maher won the event about thousand dollars. Yeah,
he also won a thirty thousand dollars package to play
in the WSB Paradise Super Main event. He at sixty
million dollars guaranteed event, which will be a PGT qualifying event.
There are six events as part of WSB Paradise that
are PGT qualifying, the first of which kicks off on Saturday,
December sixth.
Speaker 4: So speaking of Dan though, yeah, he's won three huge
events massive shout Out, Massive event in the last eighty months,
two now in this very room, right, one being obviously
the PGT True Classic Rags to Riches. He also won
the ben MGM Championship that was last year. Yeah, in
the last eighteen months. Oh yeah, sorry, And he also
won his first bracelet at last years he.
Speaker 1: Did, and I did not know that that bracelet was
one of the online to Live hybrid events. Yeah, the
hybrid yeah, which you know, there's obviously every time ws
A P comes around, there's always that that bracelet talk.
You know, does do bracelets matter? Are they watering them down?
Speaker 2: Like all that sort of stuff?
Speaker 1: Right, as far as I'm concerned, a bracelet is a
bracelet as long as the operator says it's a bracelet.
That's my stance these days. I do think though, that
all the online bracelets I think should just be online
to live like that.
Speaker 4: That.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's that's my solution there, all of them,
all of them should be No I know, but okay,
But what I'm going also, what I'm saying with that
is that if you atta packet with the fact that
they need to be online to live, then you're gonna
have fewer of them online, you know what I mean,
because you're not gonna want to do, like you said,
sixty two one hundred online to live events. But you
could do a dozen. You could do twenty throughout the year.
You could make that happen. You know, you could do
some for the summer stuff you know that plays online
to live of course during the summer, and then you
could also do some that play like in the fall
when they do the one here in the States on
WSP dot com and they do them on gd Poker,
and you could end up in paradise. Why can't you
do that? Oh that's a good way, you know, like that,
and that's how you do it. And then maybe you
get I don't know, maybe you do fifteen in the summer,
fifteen in the fall between the two markets, you get
thirty total or something and you go about that. Or
you could even do something where it's like maybe you
do the live stuff at w SP Europe, right, you know,
because they do have these three live ten pole events
that they could drive people too, you know. And then
and then also maybe like when it comes to w
SP Paradise for example, you know, maybe they get some
more people in that SUPERMANI men. You know, maybe they
get them blasting down there, so all that sort of stuff.
So I think that could be kind of a pathway,
you know, or a way to possibly attack it. It
Also it just creates like, I mean, the whole thing
with the with the online stuff. I mean, listen, online
poker is super fucking hard, but people are like, I
don't know who I'm playing against, I don't know what
they're doing. All this sort of stuff. Well, at least
if you get them at the final table in a
live setting, it's there, it's live, it's in the flesh, right,
So yeah, I don't know that kind of thought about
that today, but you know, we'll see how it goes.
But w SPE Paradise is coming up anyway.
Speaker 4: Put the PGT three people are gonna talk about real quick.
Neil Warren, he Cash. He moved up to eightieth, but
he's got seven hundred and four points. He is right
in that striking distance from that top.
Speaker 3: Forty.
Speaker 4: Sam Laskwitz min Cash he moved up. He leaped from
Dennis wise Brace, the winner from this world series. Most
importantly for Sam is he's forty eighth on the lead aboard.
Why that he's right there because that's technically with out
little rules fortieth when you take out the eligibility must
cast three times, he's actually when you remove those players
such as Michael Musrahi, John Woznik, some of those guys,
he's now fortieth, so he's in, but obviously lots more
events to come. And the final person Michael Wang Final Table,
the event he leaped up over Dylan Lindy. He's now
seventeenth on the PGT leader board, twelve hundred and eighty.
Would say he's probably locked in to qualify for the
PGT Million Dollar Championship. But that was the three big
movers from Yeah, the true Classic, Rags Riches.
Speaker 1: And then in this event. You know, with everything that
we did here trying to promote it as much as
possible live streaming at et cetera, I felt like this
kind of kicked off the month of December in a
lot of ways. It's a huge month here for poker
in Las Vegas and around the world. With everything that's
going on again, WISP Paradise, you got EPT Prague that's happening.
So there's a lot of stuff happening. Tim and I
are going to be out there battling quite a bit,
see if we can make some things happen as we
close out the year. So you know, maybe we'll have
a couple podcast before we turn the calendar over to
twenty twenty six and kind of talk about it all.
Speaker 4: But we'll see how we need to do annual uh
perka Rica we do.
Speaker 3: We do talk about next years.
Speaker 1: Go I feel like I have to tick off like
nine more of them. I feel like I haven't done
what I wanted to.
Speaker 4: I'm already said, you probably said shitty goals go back
and listen.
Speaker 2: I don't know to the cash in an event.
Speaker 1: Wow, problem, my goals are pretty I mean, I don't
remember what I don't even remember what our goals were.
I remember I went back. So yeah, okay, we'll.
Speaker 3: Touch on it, like you know, around New Year's Eve.
Speaker 1: So I did want to touch on some of these
other events that happened around the world in the last
month or so. First and foremost, this APT Championship event
that happened in where did it happened Taiwan, Taiwan. I
mean this event like it kind of came out of nowhere,
like I knew it was going to be happening, yeah right,
and I knew it was a laft The event, the
main event itself was a ten k us freeze out,
freeze five million dollars guarantee, okay, which is I mean,
that's lofty by today's standards, especially when from what I recall,
I don't think they've ever done an event like that
big of a buy in for like their main event.
They were usually smaller I think, and that could be
wrong there, but anyway, all of a sudden, it's like
this Championship event is all over social media, it's getting
streamed like there's a lot of stuff happening. There's a
lot of players that made their way there. So it
was like boom, all a sudden done when it comes
to the Championship main events, six hundred and seventy one entry,
so they did hit the guarantee, five million dollars were guaranteed.
Of course, they got over that with the six seventy
one in the field again freeze out, freeze out, which
is just absolutely freaking wild India's Nishant Sharma won the
event for almost one point two.
Speaker 2: You and I were joking. You text me, You're like,
should we go next year?
Speaker 3: I want to hunt?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like kind of the reason the like for me
talking about this event isn't so much about like talking
about the results and like who won, like you know,
shout out to Sharma for winning more than one point
two million dollars, like that's awesome. But for me, the
story here is like this event is now firmly on
the map, like it I mean, it's like you and
I are talking about, listen, should we plan for a
trip next November? A lot of players, same sort of thing.
I tried to do some reach out to various players
to see how it was there, you know. Dylan Lindy
said that he deeply enjoyed his first Asian Poker Tour experience.
He said that the whole schedule had a wide range
of well structured high rollers to mixed games to large,
large guaranteed freeze outs, which is, you know, that's pretty
cool to say. Hal Rotholds was over there as well.
He said he's played a few of these events over
the years, but he's glad to see what the APT
brought this year with his events, especially as a mixed
game player, so you know, again echoing with Dylan, Lindy said,
as it really to the mixed games. A. J. Kelsaw
another mixed game player. He was over there. I think
he won a mixed game event as well, so you know,
he had a good friend over there. He was happy with,
like the people and how they welcomed you, and the
hospitality and all that sort of stuff. He said, I
highly recommend the APT series next November in Type A
for anyone who wants to visit Asia while playing some poker.
The events were well planned, the staff was outstanding, and
the operation ran super smoothly with no lines or weights,
et cetera. Anthony, who who Final Table DPGT True Classic
Rags to Riches basically must have got off the plane
and came right here because he was over there doing
some stuff.
Speaker 3: He said.
Speaker 1: It was a very good vibe over there. The fields
weren't as competitive as the US, which is good if
you're value hunting. They have no cash games, according to him,
so they have very like good structures and well structured
tournaments that allows them to do that. He did say
the rake was pretty high though, so so you know,
he said it can be as high as fifteen percent
and ten percent for the high rollers.
Speaker 2: So you know.
Speaker 1: He did say Taiwan's a great city. He speaks Chinese,
so that helps him travel over there. He did say,
I recommend going for fun, but hard to make money
there with the rape plus currency conversion fees plus travel expenses.
Speaker 2: I mean, I get it, you know.
Speaker 1: I think it's good to have somebody who's you know,
on not not necessarily a negative side, but isn't just like, yeah,
this is awesome. I'm going to go every time, So
it's good to get a nice diversified look there through
some of the players. But from what I saw, it
seemed like something I would want to maybe go, you know,
if I do make a poker trip like this is
now in the consideration for me, which I think when
you're putting this event on and you want to attract
international players, like that's what you're hoping to try and achieve,
create that sense of fomo, to get people thinking about it,
getting friends like us being like, hey, should we make
a trip out of it.
Speaker 4: I just looked at the schedule and it kind of
had a bit of everything for everyone. Know we talked,
you mentioned these some of these guys, Hal and Dylan,
Lindy and AJ mixed game guys. There was mixed game
tournaments and tournaments I had never even heard of. Habby
Mirk played once you want to yeah, Pineapple.
Speaker 3: To some yes, Seventh Heaven Pineapple. I don't know.
Speaker 4: They all crazy games, but they had a lot of
stuff at very affordable buyings for like you know, you
and me, we're talking three hundred, four hundred, five hundred.
But then they had stuff like five k's, ten K
main event, twenty five K high rolls. I had a
full full spectrum of buyings and events.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: And that's what kind of you know, picked my interest. Plus, hey,
a city. You know, we've done a lot of traveling
in our career working. We never really made it to Taiwan,
so it's kind of a spot. Hey, you know, it
could be a good one to go to. Speaking to
Anthony who he did talk about the players and some
of the incredible hands he saw, but also the fact
that was pretty you know, it's pretty easy trip. I
think he said it was ten hours from I think
he went from Seattle, So you know, it's not it's
a pretty easy trip and yeah, new city, good food.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind.
Speaker 4: Uh, you know it's about Ley Novem and next year
skip Thanksgiving. Have Thanksgiving over in Taiwan.
Speaker 1: I mean, more importantly skip F one. Oh yes, get
the heck out of the city. Well, the city is
a disaster here in Vegas. But I mean, you and
I we pay attention to a lot of poker stuff
around the world, and you know, obviously a lot of
stuff happens. I would I think I'm pretty confident saying,
and you can tell me if you agree or not.
But like, I can't remember something recently catching our attention
as much as this series did. And that's why we
wanted to talk about it here, is because it's like, yeah,
you see new series pop up over here and there,
but I can't recall a series that really like grabbed
our attention as much. Again to the fact that we're like,
should we try and go like it it seemed that
good that we should try and go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like, okay, we talked about stuff here in the States,
so hey, we should go to that. But this is
it's not like we're ever like pining to go to
somewhere over seas. This one's just definitely stood out the
fact that a lot of our players, you know, with
skipping events here state side good events too. To go
to the APT says a lot from the player standpoint,
and knowing that, knowing they've all had pretty good experiences,
even some of the you know people you didn't mention
that we talked to that played the true Classic event,
it seems like, hey, they're probably going to target going
back again. So hey, it's probably only going to get
bigger and better if other tours, you know, obviously for us,
the pgt were already Hey, okay, let's make sure we
don't overlap this because it looks like our players want
to do a little bit of traveling still, so we
can fade any events overlapping this.
Speaker 3: This is good.
Speaker 4: We'll see if others you know out there talking seminal
we're going to talk probably about the bestop soon just
also do the same.
Speaker 1: It also gave me a thought just again seeing how
much attention that this EPT event was getting, how much
it was grabbing our attention, and I immediately started to
think of if I'm the Aussie Millions which is coming
back next year, Yeah, this is the type of attention
I need to grab from the poker community. Yeah, Like
I need to make it feel like like whether or
not the event necessarily does well, like which I hope
it does well. Yes, but it's not like it's not
just about smashing numbers in the first year being back
for the Auzie Millions. It's about grabbing that attention, you know,
people coming out of it that might not have gone
because going into it, there's probably some people that are
on the fence that are like, well, is it really back.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Let me see how the first one goes. But if
they see it and it smashes and then everyone's like, oh,
I need to go again, Auzie Millions is back. Like
so that's what I would be chasing if I was
Auzie Millions. So, you know, this gave me a feel
of like when I used to look at Auzzie Millions.
When I say this, I mean this APT Championship Series.
You know, it gave me a feel of like, oh,
like I miss Auzie Millions. I want to go there.
I want to be there. So you know, hopefully let's
let's see how Auzie Millions goes and if they can
capture you know, some of the buzz similar to what
the APT Championship just did. BSOP Millions another tournament series
that it was on our radar.
Speaker 2: It was like a whole super high Roller series.
Speaker 4: Basically, they had like a high Rollers series and they
had a like a Nava series with it.
Speaker 1: Yea, And the BSOP is absolutely just bananas big, Like
it's just grown and grown and grown every single year.
It looks like madness down there. I've been to Brazil
a couple of times. You went there at least once
with me shout out Florianopolis. But the poker, I don't
know what the poker is still like down there. When
we were there, it was like ten years behind, yes,
So I don't know if it's caught up. Obviously, there
are some very very good Brazilian players. I guess been
unfortunate to play against them in some WSP events over
the last couple of years, and they're always a giant
freaking handful to deal with at the table. But yeah,
I mean, Brazil is just absolutely popping when it comes
to poker. So another spot where I think people are
gonna want to go to, especially if they can now
go there and expect to get in a bunch of
higher buy and stuff, right, I mean, like you had
guys like Martin Cabrell was down there, Like yeah, I
mean obviously Martin Carrell is a very polarizing person, but
still like they got him down there to play a
huge high roller series of events. So stuff like that
I think is good for them and we'll see how
that goes going forward. In the main events, Brazil's Alan
Philippe won the BSOP Championship for six hundred and eighty
three thousand dollars. There was a three way deal. He
was wearing a no gamble in the future three quarter zip. No.
You know, I'm on stream playing a hand with him
in the WSP main event from day four this year.
This guy, this is the guy when I had Queen
Jack and he tried to bluff me in yeah, top pair.
I think he went three streets. He raised from the
button of the cutoff I called small black.
Speaker 3: I was I think I'm on the right for that.
Speaker 1: Hen. Yeah, but there was that gentleman. So he goes
on to have success here. Now this event, they came
out saying like this is going to be the largest
guarantee in.
Speaker 2: Like South American poker history.
Speaker 1: However, they phrased it four million dollar guarantee, which I
think fell a little bit short. Seven hundred and fourteen
entries in this thing. I believe the buy in when
you converted to USD was writer on six k or
something like that, so fell a little bit short. But
still it seems like they are very very bullish on
making this happen. I mean, they were doing things like
they obviously streamed it in a lot of places, but
they even had like an English commentary team, which I
think Jeff Gross Maria Hoo like we're on the English channel,
Like they had a BSOP English channel all set up.
So obviously they have the Brazilian channel, but then they
did other languages too, you know, just trying to blast
this far and wide. Martin Carell won an event down there.
He won the thirty K super high Roller for four
hundred and twenty two thousand, Philippe Boyanovski won the fifty
K super high Roller for six hundred and forty thousand,
Automar Ladva won the twenty K one day Super high
Roller for three hundred and twenty one thousand dollars, and
z Nick Zizka won the one hundred K super high
Roller main event for one point two million. He beat
Philippe Boyanovski who won that fifty k super high Roller,
and then boy Kofsky here cash in second for seven
or sixty k. And the reason why I want to
read through those events there is because again it shows you,
like what this series is trying to be. Yeah, thirty
k by and fifty k by and twenty k like
hundred k like these are big.
Speaker 2: This is like Triton level type of stuff.
Speaker 3: So American.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean, and it goes to show I mean, listen,
these events weren't massive, shut out massive, but forty four entries,
forty entries, fifty eight thirty six for the Hunter K Like,
I mean, that's not nothing. Lot of money, especially for
the first time out in Brazil. So you know, we'll
see if this thing sticks around and if they can
build on it. But now it seems like, you know,
if you are a high roller and super high roller
type of player, you now have a new stop on
the calendar, and that is down in Brazil for the BSOP.
I mean, before the BSOP, at least as I know,
it was more small, mid major type.
Speaker 2: Of buy ins.
Speaker 1: But you know, you get you have like a two
K tournament that gets five thousand people like that sort
of stuff. Right, this is kind of going the other
way now, but I guess in the vein of trying
to have something for everyone. So so yeah, so they
got that going for them. WPT also happened the Seminal
Rock and Roll Poker Open that wrapped up recently, what
a week ago or so. I actually thought that they
were playing that FILEL table here Wednesday. Yeah, true, a
couple of days ago, I thought they were going to
play that found table here. I was like watching it
and following it, and like, you know, I love following
the PT events. The seminal ones are always big. You know,
you get a lot of notables in there, a lot
of good action. They often stream stuff from down there
so you can watch, et cetera. Like I'm watching. I'm
watching and watching. They set the final table, and I
like forgot about it because I just assumed that, similar
to what they did for Bay one on one, they
were going to pause it, bring them out to Vegas
here for during the WPT World Championship and do it here.
But they just played it out because then somebody texted
me like it was our friend Monawar, who was down
there working for WPT. He texted me like about the
guy who wanted like to check out a hand or something,
and I was like, I thought they were stopping for
the for the tournament. But Kevin Nee won it. Six
hundred and five thousand dollars for him he beat Joel
Gola three hundred ninety five K for him. Aramzobian Branda
bars regular on the PGT third place for him two
hundred ninety five K. Chad Eaves Legged fourth place for
two hundred and twenty K nanod medic seventh place in that.
One interesting thing that I noticed about this event is
this is now the fifth year that we've seen a decline,
which it's not an enormous decline, but I would say
it is an enormous de well, okay, I mean, but
I'll say that it's one of those things where like,
you know, like when we talk about the wsp Man event,
for example, and if the wsp Man event got eighty
five players, everyone would freak out right, But on the
other side of things, it's like you still got an
you still got eighty five hundred players for a ten
K freeze out. You know, when basically everyone's broken, the
economies and the shitter, so like it's still good, right,
So like that that's the good spin. There's always good spin,
there's negative spin whatever. So this like the negative spin,
like you're saying, is it went from last year when
fourteen thirty five this year twelve twenty four.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 1: Now I'll say, okay, you're having a what's this thirty
five hundred dollars buying?
Speaker 2: You still got more.
Speaker 1: Than twelve players, Really good, you beat the big guarantee,
all that sort of stuff. But you and I often
talk about trends, like once you start seeing the trend,
that's when the concern starts to grow. And twenty twenty
one coming out of the pandemic, fifteen hundred and sixty six,
next year fifteen forty one, next year twenty twenty three,
fourteen forty seven, then fourteen thirty five, now twelve twenty four.
Now I have no reason idea why this is happening necessarily.
I mean, my guess is maybe some seminal fatigue combined
with the stuff that we just talked about. You know,
there's just other events, like a lot of people, you know,
I read off those names, Anthony who a j Kelsol, Like,
was he in Florida?
Speaker 2: I mean to be in Florida for like the tail
end of stuff, right.
Speaker 4: No, I think he just posted something where he just
just getting back with something, so he probably.
Speaker 1: Okay, Dylan Lindy like, like those are players that I
would assume would go to Seminole always, right, especially when
you know now it's you kind of go to Seminole,
you hang out in Florida and you top the pond
and go to Bahamas, like that's the plan. So my
overall take, I don't have a take like as it
relates specifically to WPT, but I guess my overall thought
and you know you and I won't get into too
many specifics. But our friend Matt Savage, listener of the pod,
we did have a text exchange between us where it's like,
there's just too much poker these days. I mean we
feel it too, like there's there's so much fucking poker,
and like, is it bad that there's some Like it's
both good but also it's obviously good that in the
sense that there's just a lot of poker to be
played and it's available everywhere you look, right, you can
play anything you want probably any buy in from a
freaking three hundred dollars tournament all the way up to
one hundred k down in Brazil. Well, you can do
whatever you want, okay. And it's there's stuff all over
the world at any time, even this month, there's like
six series here in Vegas, there's WSP Paradise, there's Progue, like,
there's all this sort of stuff. But also it's like,
is it gonna suffer? Like are events gonna go down
in numbers because things are spaced out more? Maybe the
totality of all the entries of like Poker's poker players
playing at one point is like rising, but events start
to kind of go down or people start to go elsewhere.
And then and this is where you bring it back
to seminal. If you're somebody like Seminole and you're seeing
this like five year trend of it going down, do
you then lower guarantee which isn't necessarily good for the players?
Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's just like, is there just is there too much?
I mean, you're you're more in the streets on this
than I am because you deal with PGT and the
scheduling stuff.
Speaker 2: So what are your thing.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, there is too much, but these operators
all want their money, so they're going to keep putting
events on. Doesn't really matter what they how they how
it affects the playapool. Like just like you said, you
look at Vegas right now. We have the win, we
have Aria, we have all lanes, we have plann of Hollywood,
Resorts World, we have Resorts World, we have kind of
us all running something, you know. I mean, we really
have one events, so it doesn't it's not really the same.
Speaker 1: But still, I mean, everything's going on today. I would
say that I would have hoped our numbers would have
topped two hundred. They didn't, and there's a lot going on.
Speaker 3: I yeah, there's too much going on, but I think
you know.
Speaker 1: Oh there's Venetian too. Don't forget about Venetian. They got
out a huge series that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, Venation because yeah, I think you know,
And look, Matt Savage will probly send us a text
tomorrow about this. But I think that Seminole could make
one change right now to send those numbers back up
to fourteen hundred, no problems.
Speaker 1: What's that five million dollar guarantee which they could easily hit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, by the way, I would change their starting flights
because they've always owned this with this Thanksgiving window, right,
which is Friday Saturday is day one A and one B, right,
And that's fine. People don't really care about Thanksgiving, or
you're targeting locals or people going to fly in on
the Friday.
Speaker 3: But I think there's enough players that you know.
Speaker 4: They want to spend the Thursday with the family, they
don't really want to rush or were they're going to
fly in on Friday and play only one B. Now,
if you just went to which we would probably say
is are better flights, better days for starting flights, which
is Friday. Like if we just go to the weekend,
because we both agree that Friday Saturday is the best.
But just for this specific event, you move just to
the weekend to give the out of towners, the Vegas people,
the people coming from the East, stop North wherever, one
extra day, one extra travel day, so they can play
one day in full gust. Though, I think that little
change would probably do a lot of good for this event,
because you know it like it is. We're saying, if
you looked at the chip counts, you' seeing a lot
of people flying in from overseas playing this event, you know,
playing the ten k high roll of the twenty five
k high roll then shooting over to Paradise. But I
think to try and boost those those numbers in the
main event just audible one day Saturday Sunday fights.
Speaker 1: I think that also that also allows them to get
closer to Wsby Paradise, which I think is good. Like,
so there's like it's it's like basically right on, it's
like one day in between, if that right now, But
like are people really going for like the first day
of Doubsby Paradise. They might take a day or two
into it, because that first event is like what the twenty.
Speaker 3: Events are depends what the first event is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would basically like I would have if
you're going to continue to have this final table down there,
then you have that final table like one or two
days later, which if in your case, if you're bumping
those starting voices there, that's gonna happen, yeah, and then
you like really butt up with that way people can
make like let's say day three of this WPT, then
basically the next day they're on the flight to Paradise,
as opposed to having two days off or you know,
something kind of in between, because the traveling poker players
really do just in my opinion, like to hop from
stop to stop.
Speaker 2: They don't just play.
Speaker 4: We had players at Seminole texting me so asking about,
you know, our event, and I saw them on social
playing an event the night before the next day they
were here.
Speaker 3: You know, they're going to play the events. They're going
to book them.
Speaker 4: They're going to book the Red Eye or they're going
to book that early am flight and get here. And
these guys don't really, to be honest, they don't really
plan that far ahead.
Speaker 1: No, that's not a dig it any of them.
Speaker 4: But they're basically playing and then they're just gonna you know,
they're not gonna.
Speaker 2: Like they just they book a flight and then they're not.
Speaker 4: On diming flights and stuff like that. They're like, Okay,
I'm done, I'm jumping on this next fight, get home,
play this event. You know, we have people asking us
like about end, like when is light registration because they're
gonna fly here and harpe to at least get a
bullet in time.
Speaker 1: I mean, people were trying to come here to play
that win eight hundred. Yeah, you know, they were like
when's the night flight and like when can I get
in you know that sort of stuff. So yeah, like
they like in the case of Florida, because it's so
close to the Bahamas, they would like want to fly
to the Bahamas land, put their ship in their room
and go play a tournament, like like.
Speaker 2: Just go you know.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, I think that could be, you know
a little bit better time than I do agree with
you that having those those flights for this series, specifically
because of the Thanksgiving just this one, you know.
Speaker 2: But we'll but we'll see well, I mean, we'll see
how it goes.
Speaker 1: But again, Kevin Knee, winner of the WPT Seminole Hard
Rock Rock and Roll poker ope or six hundred and
what six hundred and something k six oh five. I
think it was so good on him. It's gonna say knee.
It's gonna say knee on the trophy. kN Yeah, knee.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: All right, poker drama. I guess we can just give
her quick takes. We're bringing it back up a lot
of poker drama. In the past couple of weeks, we
had a social media post on Twitter from Club WPT Gold,
which came from sashimi, but then was shared by club
WPT Gold that seemed to piss off like every don't
know everyone, so you had that that kind.
Speaker 2: Of started everything.
Speaker 1: Then Abby Murk she kind of came at them, but
then people came at her for being hypocritical, like she
was saying, like, you can't do this with like the
social post was a woman like.
Speaker 2: Which I saw the interview with her, but she like
doesn't have social media, I think.
Speaker 1: But anyway, she was like tourking and dancing and gyrating
on a table, like throwing chips around, like the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Because she won and all ladies.
Speaker 1: I had no idea what the genesis of it was,
but thankfully you did the digging there. So then you know,
the abbing comes to WPT saying you shouldn't post the stuff,
what are you guys doing? Then there's that whole thing
like WPD, what the heck are you doing to your brand?
Blah blah blah, this whole thing. Then people jump on
Abbie Murk because she had some rather revealing posts on
her social media, you know, so it's like, well, how
come you can? How come you're calling out them? But
then you act this way. I kind of I think
I'm like straddling the fence there where I don't know.
It's I feel like brands should be upheld to a
certain standard versus an individuals act. Now, I will also
say that because of that, the messenger probably shouldn't have
been Abby, because it was like, as soon as I
saw what she said, I knew.
Speaker 3: They're gonna come.
Speaker 2: The poker community is coming for her, like you just
you know, the poker community is coming. That's what they do.
Speaker 1: They latched their teeth into something and they are coming
on social media.
Speaker 2: So there's the bit.
Speaker 4: I had a problem with the most and you know,
stand up for Abby a little bit.
Speaker 3: Here they called out.
Speaker 4: Her recent session of No Gamble in My Future, our
show where we filmed and we live streamed. And for
those that are unaware, No Game in the Future has
a wheel of pain. You gotta do punishments. Okay, she
was playing the biggest stakes of her life, right and
she was she was, you know whatever, she was playing
this game. She had to spin the wheel, she had
to do jumping jacks. Okay, she's doing jumping jacks and stapes.
You know, the Wheelmaster General was covering her up with
his coat because you know women, you know jumping Okay,
you guys.
Speaker 3: Get the picture.
Speaker 4: And now even our cameramen were like sometimes just just
showing the shoes, so they were respecting what you know
was going on there. Now she was called out for
doing jumping jacks and then she before back was like,
it's the punishment, you have to do it, and then
Matt Burkie chim means like, you don't have to do
the punishment. Well, the whole point of the show is
to like spin the wheel and do the punishment.
Speaker 1: So I will say that also on that show there
was times when like like philm wasn't doing any punishments,
he was basically buying out, which I thought was absolutely yes,
like it's just can't like no that show if the
wheel is in play. And there are other instances like
later on in that week, because we did a whole
week with live streaming, there was no Gamble in the
Future live without the wall in play. So you either
if you play and the wheel is in play, you
have to do the punishments end of story or the
punt of the way to get out of it. The
penalty is like a lot of money, like five K
or something fucking ridiculous. I just think it's unfair to
single out that when she's kind of forced to do it,
and that's kind of mean, that's that's silly yet. But
the other stuff you definitely knew that people were going
to come from. Yeah, she's posted some saucy pictures and
some you know, some shorts.
Speaker 4: But here's the thing that she's trying to grow her
social and you know, she's been on a pretty dramatic
increase in followers and views, and she's you know, obviously
a bet MGM ambassador. Now she's done what you're supposed
to do. She's followed the game plan for social media,
you know, content creators. Uh, kind of simple of that
as it is.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, listen, she might need to learn
just through experience that, you know, because she's still in
the in the grand scheme of poker, like, she's still
on the newer side of things. Yeah, you know, not
that that's on a knock against her, she's just newer
to the community or whatever.
Speaker 2: So she's just gonna have.
Speaker 1: To learn how to navigate these situations. And you know,
eventually she'll learn to just roll with the punches and
and and leverage it to her advantage, you know where
like you know, like, yeah, okay, I post a picture
on my underwear a day in life of Pokemon. I
don't give a shit. I'm an individual. This is the
World Poker tour that runs around talking about how prestigious they.
Speaker 2: Are, you know, saying like why why are they doing that?
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's just ridiculous anyway, Like but anyway,
that was that happened. But then, you know, not to
be outdone, she just gets thrown to the side because
here comes the whole AI issue. There don't be a
big docu series, which you and I had planned to
talk about. I don't know if you had a chance
to watch any of it.
Speaker 3: I'm fully caught up.
Speaker 2: Well what does that even mean?
Speaker 1: Because everything that was violable watch I don't even know
what at what point did they get to before they
had to pull it.
Speaker 3: I think we're on episode five.
Speaker 1: The reason why I say that I had the privilege
to watch the entire thing ahead of time, about a
week ahead of time, so I watched it from start
to finish.
Speaker 2: But I don't know in the real world.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 3: Eight, I think we're on five or six.
Speaker 1: Okay, so this happens Dustin and Ian Atti, who, of course,
back in April I think, put a pretty polarizing Twitter
post out there saying he's gonna like shake up the
entire poker world with this new content. Do it all differently,
tell the stories the way they need to be told,
like the whole thing. Right that that, in and of
itself created a whole thing on social media. Right fast
forward to now, they released this docu series and a
couple episodes go by Alan Keating, who was featured in
the docu series, who has a working relationship with Artisans
on Fire, the production company that Dustin owns that did this.
He said that he claimed on social media that they
used AI to like put words in his mouth and stuff,
like they mimicked his voice and took some quotes and
whatever Dustin comes out with, like basically an apology that
was like a non apology. Everyone jumps down his throat
like it's a whole thing. What I thought was interesting though,
was that I hope I have this right, but I'm
pretty sure. Alan Keen then deleted that tweet after so
like but like so I don't know, like, so did
he not mean it? Like and if he didn't mean it,
why would you come out publicly like that, especially when
you have a relationship.
Speaker 2: Not that not that what they did or didn't do
is right or wrong. Like I'm not getting into that.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, it just seems weird that he
pulled something down when he put it out there, because
putting it out there for as long as it was
out there, I mean, that did the damage right there.
That was it, Like the thing was cooked. Then later on,
you know, w speed decides to pull it down, and
you know that's that. I have no idea if it's
going to come back. I mean, do you have any
thoughts there?
Speaker 2: Like I kind of don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm maybe I'm just an idiot and I'm naive, but
like I'm like, I don't know. I don't think the
AI thing is that bad personally, I don't. I don't know,
Like I mean, I wouldn't have done it. I don't
think you should do it. But I also don't think
it was like as bad as people were making it seem.
Also people were there was something around people going around
about how it was kind of edited out of context
to make it a certain way, And I was thinking, like,
has anyone ever watched any reality show ever.
Speaker 3: That's how the old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know, you got to create heroes and
villains and tell a story a certain way and like
all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I was enjoying it. You know, I'll
kind of watch anything Pucker related, Puck of vlogs, whatever
it is.
Speaker 3: Was enjoying it it.
Speaker 4: You know, maybe you know, dust In, any team should
have hey he just said to said to Alan, look
we want.
Speaker 2: To Yeah they should.
Speaker 1: They should have been like, hey, listen, we need to
fix this here. We're thinking about doing this. Are you
okay with it? Give us your sign off? If not,
then I don't know, you get him into the office
and you do some voice or I don't know, you
try and solve it in another way.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you definitely got to reach out ahead of time.
So but the whole thing just.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like another the whole this is
the whole happened in like a week's time, and it
was just kind of shitty. I guess for poker in
general that like this is all just everyone's just fighting
on on on Twitter about everything that's happening, and it's
like everyone's got to fight, everyone's got to have a
take on it. Everyone's got to get involved, everyone's got
to do this and that. And I was like, can't
we just talk about like how cool poker is and
how fun it is to play in these banana's hands
that are you know, being played, and you know all
this sort of stuff.
Speaker 4: I don't know you've I mean, both of both you
and I talked to Dustin, played with Dustin and stuff,
and obviously he had a deep run here in the
true classic rags of riches.
Speaker 2: Really want to satellite and cast?
Speaker 3: Yeah, must be nice.
Speaker 2: Are better players than another?
Speaker 1: That's what I got to say.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I haven't ask him anything about it. That's
probably a saw subject, you know for him, So I'm
not going to kind of dig into it. But I'm
my guess is that probably going to re edit some
stuff and probably re release it, you know post.
Speaker 1: I also thought it was interesting that they took all
of them down. Yeah, so does that mean there was
more stuff elsewhere that we don't know about? Does or
did they just because they just didn't want to deal
with the whole thing, they just took all that, Like,
I don't think it was only the one episode with Allen.
Speaker 4: Then I think it's a WSP directive, you know that
probably quick rash things say hey, take them off, you know,
take them down, and then we'll revisit each episode. So
you know, look, maybe there's some AI in all the episodes.
Maybe it's just Alan's, but I think that does.
Speaker 1: Soon everyone's going to be using AI to create everything anyone.
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't even matter.
Speaker 4: What's so funny is like I saw I'm not going
to name who sent the tweet, but like someone sent
a tweet that was so obviously AI, and like, I mean,
everyone uses it. It's just kind of part of everyday
life now, Like I use it, but like in different ways.
A lot of people use it in certain different ways.
I use it as Google now, so instead of Googling,
I chatch GPT my questions.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely becoming a tool to help people
with a lot of things, which you know, I think
a lot of obviously a lot of people are very
doom and gloom that like AI is going to take
over the world, It's going to take a bunch of
people's jobs away, and like all that sort of stuff,
which I don't entirely disagree with, but I also don't
fully agree with in that, Like, I'm not totally doom
and gloom with it, you know, I just look at
it like it's a tool, and it's a tool that
a lot of people can leverage to do things. Now,
that same tool is very likely going to take away jobs,
and it likely already has taken away jobs. That said,
that same tool can also allow people to create new jobs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
Speaker 1: For example, if I'm working in marketing, like I do,
you know, maybe I can leverage various AI tools to
do different things. Hey, create this graphic for me, do
this and whatever, and like you have to still work
with it and prompt it certain ways and whatever. So
maybe I don't need an entire marketing team. Under mean,
maybe I can be a one stop shop. Right, but
you can keep the same thing.
Speaker 2: But let me say that.
Speaker 1: Okay, but let me say that if I become more efficient,
maybe we don't need the team, and then we get
rid of the team. Okay, by the way, this did
not happen. I'm just speaking hypotheticals. Okay, Now let's say
that team, right, everyone on that team, maybe they go
out and they create their own marketing agency because they
can do all this stuff themselves, you know. So it's like,
on one side of things, yes, it took away these jobs,
but on the other side of things, it does create
a path if you are willing to put in the
work and learn this stuff that you could do that
you know, like in like a big one is obviously
the movie industry. You know, it's going to take away
there was that whole strike and all the writers and
all that sort of stuff. Like yeah, okay, but like
what if you flipped it and as a writer you
decided to start creating AI movies and stuff and put
that in or on YouTube or put it out there
on social media or like you try and go that, right,
I don't know, you know, I'm just throwing stuff against
the wall. I'm not fully like doom and Gloom with it.
I think it's going to have some damage that it does, yes,
but I think it's also going to allow things to
be created that are pretty cool.
Speaker 4: So the biggest way I say it, like I kind
of said efficiency, is that when you have work projects,
I think the timelines of these projects are now shortening,
meaning you can get more work in sure, you can
do more work, tackle more projects. So I think that's
when you used properly, that's kind of the benefit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I don't think that you should
rely on it, you know, I look at it like,
I mean, this is probably a bad analogy, but whatever.
But like back in the day, you know, you used
to learn a bunch of math in school, and all
we do now is just use calculators. Like you have
a calculator on your phone, you have calculator in your watch,
you have a calculare on your computer.
Speaker 2: Like it doesn't matter. You just punch things in. You
don't really have to do the math at the end
of the day.
Speaker 1: Like back in the day, we all thought like, oh,
we can't use the clculars, we have to do it
all by hand because we actually have to learn it. Yeah,
when it's like at the end of the day, no,
you just use the calculator, the calculator as a tool
to make you more efficient with things, you know. So
I don't know, maybe that's a bad analogy, maybe it's not.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 1: Then of course that just goes by the wayside. Because
Maurice Hawkins got beat up in a poker which like
there was a player, there was a video of a
player fighting Maurice Hawkins in a poker game and it
in a private game and it looked like a house. Yeah,
I don't know where it was, but yeah there was.
I think there was a second video that came out
later on where like the first video looked like I mean,
I didn't know at the time when I was watching
the video, but it looked like the guy basically jumped Maurice.
That's what it looked like, because Maurice kind of wasn't
fighting back and looked like he was caught off garden,
was off balance. So maybe the guy like you know,
blindsided him or you know, cold cocked him from the
side or whatever it was. But then the other video
was it seemed like it was after the first part
where Maurice was like, I think he was saying stuff like,
you know, come at me now type of thing, like
I'm like, I'm squared up, ready to go, as opposed
to you know, coming at me from the side or
jumping mirror or doing whatever. So so then that happened,
which also turned into the whole Maurice Hawkins and Chat
Holloway thing Chat Halloway from Pokerers and now Chad Is
has openly invited Maurice Hawkins to come on.
Speaker 2: The Poker News podcast and talk about this.
Speaker 1: They might be the bodyguard tude in between them. I
don't know if Ben Ludlow and Mike Holtz are gonna
be able to do it. Shout out to those guys,
but yeah, that would be something to see.
Speaker 3: So basically, think he's being invited several times and it's never.
Speaker 1: Basically the entire poker community on social media is a
giant dumpster fire right now. I mean, if you like
drama and entertainment and all that sort of stuff, I guess,
get your popcorn and enjoy it. But but yeah, it's
just absolutely wild. So that's all the that's all the
drama that's been going down in the last two weeks
or so. I'm sure we're going to see more of
it over the next month, just with how much poker
is happening on the other side of things. I will
say that two things I'm excited for. One, I'm really
digging Jeremy Osma's new vlog. I think it's awesome. I
mostly like it because you're just getting raw insight and
strategy from one of the absolute best poker players in
the world, which is great. Because this is out there
on YouTube and it is totally free. He's only done
two episodes right now, but it's freaking great for somebody
who wants to constantly try and get into the mind
of these top players and learn from them. So if
you guys haven't checked that out already, I would highly
encourage you to go check out Jeremy Osmas's vlog on YouTube.
It definitely also feels like one of those things where
it's definitely unpolished. Yeah, I mean, you know, and you
know in terms of like how good it looks, the editing,
that sort of stuff work in progress. But I'm sure
if you look back at like Brad Owen's first flog
or whoever, like it probably wasn't the greatest thing in
the world, right, So that's gonna come along. But the
content self, the insight is a plus. The other thing
I'm looking forward to is now that it's December, now
that it is WSB Paradise time, we get the negran
new vlogs back already.
Speaker 3: Watch do you watch it today?
Speaker 1: I did not watch it today. I would know I
did not watch it today. But I'm ready to go
home and start binging those every single day. Straight from Paradise.
Like I just he's the most popular, biggest, well known
poker player in the world, and he puts out every
single day of his poker playing. And it's you know,
it's as opposed to Ozma's where Ozma's is more deeper
into the strategy stuff. I mean Agrand who has some
strategy stuff, yes, but it's just more generalized. And I
don't know, it's just cool to peel back the curtain
on that type of a list player. So I'm really
happy that those two things are back.
Speaker 4: One other bug came out today. Oh yeah, Mario Muzzbuck.
Oh yeah it yeah, I watched that. That was actually
very good today as well. So okay, lots of high
stakes pup vlogs.
Speaker 3: For you to watch this month.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really interesting because is it going to be
a seth Davy's flog he's doing like the short film content.
But yeah, he's.
Speaker 2: Definitely doing the short form cunt.
Speaker 1: I mean he's been filming, you obviously know, so I
don't know if he's going to actually go vlog or
just continue with the short form sus. This stuff is
great too, Like it's it's really really good. Some of
it is a little kind of click baity, but I'm
I think that's kind of I mean, I get what
he's doing, I get it, but it's it's interesting that
for a long time, like the the high Stakes players
didn't really care to log. They just played, you know,
and it's almost like they don't they didn't want to
reveal stuff. They didn't want to give it out there.
And not that not that Daniel was necessarily doing it,
but you know, the people like Jeremy Osma, said Davies,
et cetera, like Mario Moss Block, like that's it's really
cool to see that. I've always thought for the longest
time that Phil hellmu should have a vlog. That thing
would absolutely positively do numbers. I don't care if he
talks a single ounce of strategy, but like, just be
the while Phil, yeah, and just do it on camera.
And I feel like Phil is at the stage in
his career where you would just hire someone be like, hey, buddy,
follow me twenty four to seven.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna drop thirty seven thousand billionaire names in one episode.
But but like people would eat that up, Like I
cannot believe the content person, I mean, the marketing person
in me cannot believe somebody who promotes promotes promotes like
Phil Helmet does. Saw the vlog that Daniel mcgrown who
does and doesn't do one himself, That to me is
a huge miss. I mean, come on, Phil, like it's
just incredible, Like it should happen. That would be great.
And we're in the day the day and age now
where you know, people are just creating their own content.
So you know, I think you got to go out
there and do it yourself. Someone else, I think, And
he joked about it on social media, Jeremy Beck, let's
go back to make a big walk.
Speaker 2: Let's let's go. Oh, I think we talked enough nonsense.
Speaker 3: We gotta do a draft though, Oh god, we do
have to do a draft.
Speaker 1: Because I'm getting blown out of this stupid freaking draft
that I put together that I thought I that I
thought I was going to kick your freaking ass with
and I was for a long time and then all
of a sudden you just went nuts. But you like
wanted to do something different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we should do something different just because
we we didn't draft for Texas because you know, we
had none of our players going. So I think for
this one. We have two more series for the year,
plus Super Higher roller Ball. I think we should do
a draft for Paradise Fresh draft, five new faces, and
then we'll do a one for Last Chance, completely new.
So there's a Paradise and superher Paradise and Super High
roller Ball and then Last Chance.
Speaker 3: Okay, so since you were trailing.
Speaker 1: Best pick as Yosa, all right, Jeremy Osmas, Really, Jeremy
fucking Ozma's baby. I got two picks, right, let's go, Yes,
two picks. Give me d Naggs, give me Alex Foxon. Well,
I'm gonna be buried even more. That's great, uh, Jesse
Lonis and and I have no fucking clue this guy's
going anywhere.
Speaker 2: Sam's over.
Speaker 4: Oh that's who I was thinking. Good snot give me.
It wasn't the guy that I thought of, but that's
who I was gonna take. Stevie Chadwick, Isaac Hackson.
Speaker 1: I have no idea who's in the Bahamas. I've just
been doing this event here. I have no idea what's
going on down there. I mean, I guess I could
just draft him. I mean it seems like a gambull.
All right, whatever, Jason Kuhn, it's a good one. I mean,
I have no idea if he's gonna play super Lev
or what he's going to do with his life.
Speaker 4: I'm not even drafting for the one hundred k as much.
I'm more drafting for Paradise. Yeah, true, but I mean,
obviously I have some people that will probably play the
hundred k bit I'm thinking just Paradise. This is only
PGT events, yeah, the ones that Yeah, yes, only PGT events.
Speaker 2: I don't even remember what the PGT events are. I
gotta right here.
Speaker 3: Let me read about to you real quick.
Speaker 4: You have the fifty k high roll that's as smart,
ten k super PLO plusus, the twenty five k main event,
the ten K EIGHTK mix, the fifty k PLO high Roller,
and the twenty five k GG millions.
Speaker 2: All right, I guess I gotta go Sean Deep.
Speaker 3: God damn it, that was it.
Speaker 2: I guess I gotta go Sean Deep. You screwed it up.
Speaker 1: You read the list and I said, oh, those those
actually fittingto Sean Deep's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I was not taking it. Okay, give me.
Speaker 4: Jossamou you only have one pick, by the way, No wait,
no too, No, okay, away, hold.
Speaker 2: On exactly read my team again, the Grand New Fox
and Chidwick.
Speaker 3: I mean Joe's going to play the Peelos. We played
the mix.
Speaker 2: Joe is really good appeal.
Speaker 3: Definitely not taking Nick Shulman.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: He was the one that I was like, I don't
even know what he's gonna do. Where is he? Do
we even know he is there?
Speaker 4: I know exactly where he is. He's sitting in going
down setting bedding lines for the bowling. Actually, I've heard
that bowling is off for a while. That might mean
he is going or at least focusing on the wind.
Speaker 1: Is it off because he's going, or is it off
because everyone's fucking buried? Could be the It's most likely
a combination of I've heard some people are buried in
the bowling.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna stick with my my Brazilian pick John all right,
all right, Joel, depending who you pick, I know who
who my backup was.
Speaker 1: But I got Ozma's, Lona's Silver Roll, Coon and Deep.
You got near New Fox and Chidwick, Hackston and SOMEU
I was flirting with, you know, but he's there, you
know in Dalla Sam's overall.
Speaker 4: But he might not play as big he might play it.
Feel like because he's there, he's playing it. That's Mike
News who knows.
Speaker 1: All right, I think that's it. How much here's a
question for you.
Speaker 4: How much do you think you'll spend in the next
three weeks playing poker twenty one?
Speaker 3: Are you serious? Are you playing the main event?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: How do you get to twenty you rich?
Speaker 2: I mean eight bolts and WPT prime. Okay, that's a
K eighty eight hundred.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, it's eleven hundred, eight eight hundred.
Speaker 1: There's a twenty two hundred dollars at Venetian the poker event,
a million dollar guaranteed.
Speaker 2: There, yep, there's I'm playing.
Speaker 5: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not planning to play the WPT World Championship the
ten k. By the way, it was a funny tweet
that Eric Baldwin had, you know, like I love mysteries,
I love quests, but I like a big guaranteed ten
care or something like that, like which was way better.
Of course, I we'll play the eleven dollar, one hundred
c guarantee satellite, but that happens on the same day
that I want to play the twenty two hundred dollars
Venetian which that event that twenty two hundred dollar at
Venetian million dollar guarantee. I mean, that's a fucking stretch
for them. Like that's a big Like it only has
two day ones. The first day one happens on day
one d of prime, so like that's I mean, that's
like a that's a reach. I mean, listen, I love
to see it. I'm all for no fake guarantees, you
know I am, But that is that's gonna be something.
So we'll see how that one goes. So, yeah, that
eleven hundred dollars one about twelve twelve one.
Speaker 2: There is.
Speaker 1: There's another two million dollar guarantee eleven hundred as part
of the WPT series.
Speaker 2: So there's that gonna put two bullets in that. I mean,
hopefully I don't put you three.
Speaker 1: After Christmas, Venetian has like this New Year's series in
combination with the MSPT there's a sixty hundred dollars five
hundred K guarantee to well I don't know about this one,
and it.
Speaker 2: Goes into the next year.
Speaker 1: Like there's like a twenty two hundred like right after
the New Year, which I haven't This isn't even in
this package that I put together because I don't know.
Speaker 2: We can talk about this next. I'll tell you in
a second. But hold on.
Speaker 1: So I have that, there's like and then there's like
I don't know, there's like a two hundred and fifty
k either a six hundred and eight hundred, like, I mean,
there's a lot of stuff in there. I mean, hold on,
I have a right here because I have my package up. Yeah,
eight bolts in that twenty two hundred. That oh, there's
at the win there's a sixteen hundred dollars one million
dollar guarantee.
Speaker 3: So there's that. It's a lot of events.
Speaker 1: There's that eleven hundred. Oh, the the five hundred k
evnation is an eleven hundred, not a sixteen hundred. Sorry,
So yeah, the package comes to twenty one thousand, five
hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: I've only mean, I'm not even gonna spend like four K.
Speaker 1: But but I'm but I'm giving myself. Man, how many
bullts do I have here? Nineteen bullets?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I mean she gets some Yeah, I mean
just backprime deck.
Speaker 1: Last package I played, I got fucking zero. So like
what you know, I mean, I hope I do well,
but you never know. Aria has the series here. Yeah, right,
they have their main event is I believe a sixteen
hundred dollar main event. I think it's two day ones
and then a day two five hundred K guarantee. You know,
I I want to play that. I don't know if
I will, but yeah, there's a lot of stuff that's
going on in the city. It's also one of those
things where like I've written these events down in my schedule.
These are like the targets that I'm gonna play, but
I don't know. Let's say I bag the first day
of Prime Perfect and I have all that extra money,
like I might just find other stuff because like there's
so much stuff for.
Speaker 3: Some sound day events here at Aria, So that's probably.
Speaker 1: There's single single day stuff here at Aria. There's stuff
at Venetian, there's the resorts. It's like there's shit literally everywhere.
There's stuff every I think every night at the Win
because I played some of these last year, they have
like in eleven hundred dollars buying like two hundred k
turbo basically, like it's just like this is NonStop poker.
I mean it's bananas here in the month of December.
So yeah, I mean I'm gonna try and go. Now,
my question is, I have no idea what's gonna happen
next year with this tax thing. I honestly have no idea.
I hear I talk to one person there, you know,
roses and rainbows and fucking unicorns, like it's gonna be cool,
it's gonna be fine, it might get fixed, who cares.
I talk to other people and everyone's like totally doom
and gloom. I'm not playing anything above two K. I'm
only gonna play on offshore sites or crypto sites or
all that sort of stuff. I'm only gonna play cash games,
like you know. So I have no idea what to expect. Yeah,
I personally don't want to like break even on a
year and have to pay a lot more money in taxes.
I don't want to do that, you know, as much
as I love playing poker tournaments and that's what I
want to play, I mean I can't. I mean, you're
basically getting hit with another ten percent of rate, which
is insane.
Speaker 2: So I don't. I have no idea what to expect.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's one of those things where like I
look at it and I say, you know what, I'll
just bite the bullet because if if the players that
play at my level of buy ins regularly, the pros
opt to not play the tournaments because of the taxes,
because those type of guys, you know, they I don't
put in the volume that they do, right, So maybe
they they because they put in such a high volume.
Look at Jeremy Becker for example. You know I'm out
there playing to see him in all the tournaments, right,
I mean, how much does he spend in buyings a
year at like the let's say three K and let's
say six hundred to three K buying level, he probably
spends fucking three hund K and buyt say, yeah, okay,
fifty at least. So for somebody like him, is he
gonna play all those tournaments again? Because if he breaks
even on let's say three under K and byens, he
can only write off two seventy, so he gets taxed
on that thirty K difference, Like you know what I mean.
So so those players maybe they don't play, which what
I'm getting at is then because if you have less
Jeremi Becker's in the field, the field is just a
bunch of recreationals that play like me.
Speaker 2: Now, whether they're serious or not.
Speaker 1: I would consider myself a serious recreational, you know, which
doesn't mean that you're not. When I say recreational, I
don't necessarily mean a bad player. I just mean somebody
that doesn't put in a ton of volume. You know,
you play between let's say ten to forty events a year.
It just I think it makes the field a little
bit softer. So do I then just bite the bullet
and play in those events because the field might be
a little bit softer?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Also, does the fact that if if it does turn
out that less players are playing tournaments, do guarantees go down?
Speaker 2: Is it less lucrative to get out there? I don't know.
I have no fucking idea what to expect.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the casinos, the operators will have to
kind of adjust guarantees. My viewpoint is that the Super Rex,
you know, if they're going to have big scores, I
don't think they're going to change their play until the
next year when they get hit with the Texas. I
don't think they ahead of it. I don't think they're
thinking about it. They're just playing to play. They're not
even aware of the tax changes. The more accomplished res.
I think that would I would put kind of you know,
the more aware rex, I'd say that's me. I don't
think they'll do that much difference because it's hard to
hit those you know, those taxable amounts, So I think
that will say the same. I think the highest stakes
people will probably not play as much or really value huntings.
So the random, you know, high roller events may not
be as good. But the ones with a lot of
you know.
Speaker 1: The bigger the the bigger the field, I think those
will kind of stay, you know the same. It's also
one of those things where like I saw like Dinatitis,
who's the center? Do I believe for Nevada? She had
a whole thing out there. She's trying to get it changed.
You know, the post that she put out there on
social media has well over a million views on it.
Like she's doing her work, okay, to try and get
it changed because it's it's not fair, and I think
she's calling the amendment like the Fair Bed Act and whatever.
But then you see Tony Dunst like quote tweet her thing,
and you know he's talking about how like how he
thinks it's going to go Basically that it's bad, you
have pads, Patrick Leonard putting the whole thing out on
his Instagram. How it's a you know, all that sort
of stuff. Now, what I'm getting at is people see
people like Tony Dunsk Patrick Kleander, like the big names
talking about how bad it is, and people are cheap,
they will follow. So like the regular person might be like,
well this person said it was bad, so it's bad.
So I'm not gonna play like, so does that happen?
You know, just like when we talked about how like
remember it was like, hey, the pros need to stop
wearing hoodies and sunglasses because all the recreationals just copy
the pros. Like you just see what the pros do.
You hear what the pros say, and you just think, okay,
I'm just gonna follow that. So I mean, yes, the
bill fucking sucks. It absolutely sucks that it's happening too.
So I have no idea what's going to go on.
Speaker 4: There isn't there is a chance that you know it
although it's in plant for IIA, it could be retroactively
removed as in like and then it doesn't you know,
you don't have to do your taxes until twenty twenty seven,
So that is that kind of out for us. And
my other thing is like, to be honest, what are
these guys going to do if you're a lost fake,
if you're a Jeremy Becka who actually like I just
found out, just bought a computer.
Speaker 3: Online events and finished.
Speaker 1: But I was literally with him when he was like
gonna buy the computer. We were at Venetian. He comes
over to me. He's like, we're playing something I don't
know with some eight hundred or some ship and he's like,
you know what, I think I'm gonna go buy a computer.
I was like, WHOA, Like you're gonna He's like, yeah,
I think I'm gonna go buy one. He's like can
I So like if I buy one?
Speaker 2: Can I just like? How do I get on SP?
Speaker 3: Can? I just?
Speaker 2: I was like, first of all, you can get on
w SP right now on your phone.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh you can, like, buddy, yes, open the
app store and I had to get I was like, okay,
type in WIP, Yes, it's that one right there. You know,
real money in ne battle like sign up you're in? Yeah,
So he's he's in. He said he played two events
to Brace two circuit events and finished ninth and night. Yeah,
of course, so Jeremie Becker's what Jeremy Becker day. I mean,
the thing is is like something much difference. I mean,
those players, like I don't I don't know exactly what
they're gonna do, but I feel like a fair amount
of them might go play cash. Not that he but
like maybe they all just go play cash, which kind
of makes the cast game shitty because now it's a
bunch of good players. So it's it's, you know, I
don't know. I like the competition of tournaments. I like
being able to chase like a first place prize and
hopefully get to that. Like, I like tournaments a lot better.
You know. Another thing is like again, people stop playing
on sites that are tracked, They play on crypto sites,
off shore sites, et cetera, like all that sort of stuff,
which I don't want to do that you know, I
probably won't, you know, So I don't know. It's it's
just it's annoying and it's frustrating that it's happening. But
it's happening and it's about to be here. So part
of my playing this month is like, well, maybe this
is just one last fucking Hurrah and let's just go
out with a bang.
Speaker 2: Fuck it, Like who cares?
Speaker 1: You know. The other part of me is like, I
don't know what's going to happen next year. I mean
we've even talked about it on the pgt Are we
gonna have to scale back buy ins and kind of
change the way we structure the tour If higher buying
players aren't frequenting those price points as much, who knows.
At the end of the day, I want to always
believe that no matter what happens, poker will always be there,
no matter what, Like it'll always be like we joked,
you know, there was a joke what three, four or
five years ago everyone was always say, Poker's dead, Poker's dead,
Poker's dead. Like, Poker's not dead, Poker's not going anywhere,
you know. But at the end of the day, you
still have to worry about your own bottom line. And
you know, it's not easy now to play live and
fight the rake and all that sort of stuff. The
lower volume that you're able to get in live and whatnot, Like, yeah,
maybe you can make up for some of it because
live poker is a bit softer than online. But now
you've got to worry about again another ten percent rake,
which just sucks. So I don't know, I don't know
what's going to happen. And yeah, I mean I'm definitely
like I already know that. Like there's like there's some
big stuff happening in January, like right away, like the
win announced there.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what.
Speaker 1: It's called full signature series. It's one of their signature series.
I don't know if it has a name, but they
have they have one of those like happened, Like, am
I just gonna like show up to win and just
start blasting again?
Speaker 2: Like I don't know.
Speaker 4: I might.
Speaker 1: I'm probably just gonna play like a wait and see
approach and I don't know, so we'll see. Or maybe
I can just win a million dollars in December and
say the hell with it?
Speaker 2: Who cares?
Speaker 1: I mean, that would be good. That's you know, that
would be a good plan. Just win WPT Prime and
you know, then nothing matters.
Speaker 2: But it just kind of sucks.
Speaker 1: So but I mean, we talk about our results, and
we will on this podcast in a couple of weeks
when the year's over, Like I'm not like winning a
bunch of money playing poker tournaments every year. I mean,
this year I might be up because I had the
WSB Main Event run. But like, so I'm in that
camp of like, if I break even, I can only
write off the ninety percent, which sucks.
Speaker 4: I think if I play the full slate of events
that I'm planning this coming few weeks, I think I'll
be and break I think I'll be break even for
the year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but next year you would have to pay tax
on you know, you can only write off the ninety
percent if that same thing happened next year, if I
have I'm saying taxable results, but I'm saying that's what
we're all looking at ahead of times, which is just
it's just annoying.
Speaker 4: If you cash for four k in every event, four
k profit, nothing goes to the irs.
Speaker 2: If you cash for four k, well you're going to
get to the pay dem and just bust.
Speaker 4: No, what I'm saying is, if you play like Venetian
eight hundreds to hit taxable amounts is basically you have
the final table every time. But if you play a
ten k high roller, yeah, I'm in cash is taxable
amount right, Yeah, I understand. So, Like I think the
lowest and like it pretty much.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to win money.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to win money and then hopefully offset it
with my losses to at worst case scenario, you know,
mitigate the losses, maybe break even, you know, at the
chance of hitting a big score.
Speaker 4: But it's also a winning You're gonna have winnings that
are untaxed. I understand, but I mean you can have
losses to ride off.
Speaker 3: So like the I mean, we're not We're not smart
enough to figure this stuff out.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like I all, all I know
at this point is like I don't know which is annoying.
Like the part that I don't know is annoyed because
you talk to some people and it's like it's not
gonna matter, it's gonna be the same whatever. You talk
to other people, it's like, well, I'm not going to
play this, that and the other thing. You know, it's
gonna kind of suck. So I just don't know. I
would rather just, you know, not have to deal with
this stuff and just be able to play some freaking poker.
Like I mean, it's hard enough to have to go
out there and play poker with all these places that
are raising rake all the time and all this sort
of stuff like that. That's hard enough, So can the
government not make it harder too? I mean, come on, like,
you know, so hopefully things get changed. It would be
great if they did. I don't know if they are,
but yeah, I mean we'll see.
Speaker 2: So that's that, all right? You got anything else?
Speaker 3: No, we need some We just need some luck this month.
Speaker 2: Some luck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, you definitely some fucking luck. Last series I played,
I literally went over. I mean I I played the
NAPT Las Vegas main event. I was out in Level one.
That was fucking glorious. I was out in level one
of the Poker Stars Open that they had. Then I
Stone fucking bubbled that same tournament. Re entered and stone
bubbled the tournament, just absolutely stupid. So that whole series
was just effing spectacular for me. And yeah, here I
am ready to go again. Baby, let's freaking go. But
like I was thinking today actually on the way in,
when I was driving in, I was like, you know,
because like I was, I was, I talked about my schedule, right.
I tried to like map out the whole schedule. There's
way too much stuff. Basically, I've been telling like some
of my investors for this one. You know, normally I
do like kind of reserve the right to like put
any unusable it's like back into stuff. But I'll I'll
usually always ask be like, hey, guys, like, what do
you think I have these unusable? Should I go do
this whatever? Now I'm basically being like I might not ask.
I might just go do it, Like I might bust
a turna and be like, oh, well there's this over here,
I'll just go over there and play. Yeah, like I'm
just going to try and like basically be a poker
pro for a month and see how it goes. So
either I'm going to show up here on December twentieth,
which is my birthday for super high Rollable Working, or
December nineteen, I'm gonna tell you guys to fuck off
because I'm rich.
Speaker 3: That's what you buy in on Dember twenty. That's cool.
I would never buy it.
Speaker 2: I would never buy it.
Speaker 1: I if I won WPT prime that's not enough and
could sell eighty percent of my action, I might blast it.
If you could sell eighty percent and just fire over
twenty for like you know, with ships and giggles, like
just one one point five million, that's what I mean.
Maybe two Yeah, like that'd be like, you know, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Like why not at that point?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the year you can still write off
one hundred percent, so you might as well you.
Speaker 3: Know, oh yeah, good punt.
Speaker 1: Yet it exactly so, which is also why you know,
we are like, what what do you think we're gonna
get for super high rollable. I'm like, well, might just
get a bunch of freaking blasters at the end of
the year, one lasserraw type of thing. So anyway, but
what I was saying is that as I was driving
in here and I was thinking about my schedule, I
was like very happy with the fact that I'm like
I have the itch and the motivation to just want
to play and hopefully do my best. And I'm happy
that I got that back because sometimes you're like I
don't want to play, I don't want to do it,
And now I'm just like, I want to play, I
want to go, I want to grind, I want to
you know whatever.
Speaker 2: So yeah, awesome, all right, that's gonna do it for us.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: His name is Tim Duckworth, my name is Donnie Peters,
and we will talk to you guys hopefully in a week,
but we'll see. I think after Christmas.
Speaker 2: No, we got to do at least one or two
before Christmas.
Speaker 1: For sure. We'll do one after I win WPT Prime. Okay, Okay,
for sure. Well here's what we'll do. We'll do one
when I make the final table of Prime because then
there's like a week off, and then one after I win. Okay,
So those will be the two. All right, it sounds perfect, right.
Or we can do one about how I'm broke and
I need to do a go fund it and instot
nineteen ad raids to China.
Speaker 2: You go exactly all right, that's gonna do it for us.
We'll talk to you guys.
Speaker 3: Let's say yeah, chen Express