1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:09,439 in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world. 3 00:00:31,359 --> 00:00:34,799 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Paranormal Pendal Podcast, coming to you from 4 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,679 the heart of Pendle, Witch Country in the northwest of England. 5 00:00:38,439 --> 00:00:42,840 My name is Craig Bryant, author, investigator and collector of stories. 6 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,880 Join me as we take a journey into paranoral, UFO sightings, 7 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:54,000 cryptozoology and big casts. This is the Paranoral Pendal Podcast. 8 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:05,519 Welcome to episode fifty three of Paranormal Pendle, broadcasting to 9 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:10,120 the Paranormal UK Radio Network at PAUK radio dot com. 10 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,680 So I'm delighted to have a returning guest on this episode. 11 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:19,719 It's not other than mister Philip kinsella well known author, 12 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:20,719 well known. 13 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:27,879 Speaker 3: Speaker, well known a person of who has a great 14 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:34,239 understanding and a really great history with UFOs and UAPs 15 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,920 and aliens and so on. So it's great to have 16 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:38,879 you on. Philip. How are you this morning, because we're 17 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,680 actually doing the Morning One today, aren't. 18 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,439 Speaker 4: We If we are indeed, and we got there in 19 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,400 the end, and I'm so honored to be back on 20 00:01:44,439 --> 00:01:49,200 your show. Craig, the Paranormal pendle always a great pleasure. 21 00:01:49,359 --> 00:01:52,200 So I've been fine. Like most people, I've been busy. 22 00:01:52,719 --> 00:01:56,200 I'm trying at the moment to complete a new project, 23 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,840 a book on incarnation and reincarnation, looking into the deeper 24 00:02:00,879 --> 00:02:04,519 aspects of the avatar, and and so that that's I 25 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,079 have a publisher for that already, and then of course 26 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:13,360 completing a few assignments articles on the UFO u AP subject. So, 27 00:02:14,199 --> 00:02:16,719 like most trying to get things done. And of course 28 00:02:16,759 --> 00:02:19,479 it sounds all glamorous from the outside when it's packaged 29 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,439 and it's all out there, but believe you me, when 30 00:02:21,439 --> 00:02:23,639 you're in the eye of the hurricane, it's a very 31 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,199 different story completely. 32 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's definitely a balancing act, 33 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,120 and it's a juggling act trying to find time to 34 00:02:34,159 --> 00:02:36,759 do everything, and especially when when if you don't mind 35 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,120 me saying, Philip, you are so well known in the 36 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:45,120 UFO UFP circles. You're obviously hugely in demand, your books 37 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:50,639 sell very well. You know you You you obviously have 38 00:02:50,719 --> 00:02:53,759 a lot of a lot of projects on the goal 39 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,840 at once, so it must be quite difficult to balance 40 00:02:55,879 --> 00:02:57,759 them all. And and of course a bit of a 41 00:02:57,759 --> 00:02:59,199 personal life which we all have. 42 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 4: Yes, well, I doubt very much if I have that personal 43 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,560 life because most of the time it's consumed with all 44 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,479 other things. But all of us have to live and 45 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,879 survive on a biological level. I've got a sense of 46 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,840 humor that I'll use that but thank you for that. 47 00:03:14,039 --> 00:03:16,680 But I always see as all important. And you know, 48 00:03:16,719 --> 00:03:19,000 it's very strange creat because I never had any real 49 00:03:19,039 --> 00:03:22,120 wish to get involved on a deeper level or the 50 00:03:22,199 --> 00:03:25,840 aspects of your pology that all came by chance many 51 00:03:25,879 --> 00:03:29,280 long years ago. But I think, like yourself, all of 52 00:03:29,319 --> 00:03:32,039 us remotely interested in varied errors of what we call 53 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:36,800 the paranormal or uap UFO research tends to send you 54 00:03:36,879 --> 00:03:39,280 down that rabbit hole. And I think that you know, 55 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,840 for all of us, we're looking for the ultimate truth, 56 00:03:42,479 --> 00:03:45,319 and that is the underlying factor with all of the 57 00:03:45,479 --> 00:03:49,199 research that we're all encompassed within. So it is challenging, 58 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,479 and you know, especially when you have varied opinions within 59 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,479 the UFO Department of Study, which is quite normal and 60 00:03:56,639 --> 00:04:00,759 very accepted, but unfortunately one side can't always please the other. 61 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:05,759 But thankfully, I've always been an individual who has been 62 00:04:05,879 --> 00:04:10,919 open to every form of speculation, I've had some people 63 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,759 telling me how it is and what it is, and 64 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:18,839 I merely not and you know, accept their terminology of it. 65 00:04:18,879 --> 00:04:20,879 But to be honest with you, we don't know. We 66 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:24,959 All we have is theoretical content and patterns, and of 67 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:30,959 course elements of proof as in terms of like film 68 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,959 footage or radar recordings or anything like this. And even 69 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,240 then we're still not sure what we're dealing with because 70 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,319 there's no way of our side that's being able to 71 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,000 ascertain just what it is that we are dealing with. 72 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,319 So I think there's a lot of fun in the 73 00:04:45,439 --> 00:04:48,079 chase there, Craig. I think that's you know, we don't 74 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:50,120 want to know the answers, I don't think, because we'll 75 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:51,720 be all out of a job, if that's what you 76 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:52,560 call it a job. 77 00:04:55,439 --> 00:04:58,319 Speaker 3: How did it all start for you then, Philip. 78 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean, now looking back at it, this 79 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,240 all began. When I say we, I mean my identical 80 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,879 twin brother and myself were very young, about five years 81 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:13,040 of age, and there were memories, distinct memories of events 82 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:19,160 that were extremely bizarre. But the reality of the UFO phenomena, 83 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,439 and i'll call them UFOs, I know that there's a 84 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:26,639 distinction between UFO and UAP Unidentified aerial phenomena, which is 85 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,199 another researcher Barry Fitzgerald and Steve Mirav said, is really 86 00:05:31,319 --> 00:05:34,439 much close to home in terms of the earthly explanation. 87 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,040 But my twin brother and I were thirteen years of 88 00:05:38,079 --> 00:05:42,040 age and staying with our maternal grandparents in fell To, Middlesex. 89 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,079 They lived in a very big house by a very 90 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:51,319 small stream and embankment, and one summer's day, I think 91 00:05:51,639 --> 00:05:54,720 it may have been in the early early evening or 92 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,120 maybe just after noon, We're not sure. Remember, we were 93 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,160 thirteen years of age trying to record and recall everything 94 00:06:02,199 --> 00:06:04,439 at that stage. We didn't do really in terms of 95 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,319 time because we didn't think it would be of any 96 00:06:07,439 --> 00:06:10,720 real relevance. But there was an appearance of a silver 97 00:06:10,879 --> 00:06:13,879 orb about the size of a football in broad daylight 98 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:19,040 that came over within the sky and threw towards our garden. 99 00:06:19,079 --> 00:06:23,639 It was directed intelligently, and it came over our grandmother's 100 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:29,160 head and appeared roughly where this second floor windows were, 101 00:06:29,199 --> 00:06:32,519 because the house was three stories high, and just hovered there. 102 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,120 And I remembered my twin brother and I being absolutely 103 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:42,040 mesmerized and confused, and our grandmother was just like blase 104 00:06:42,079 --> 00:06:44,319 about it. We asked her about it and she said, oh, look, 105 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,199 the fairies had come to take a closer look at us, 106 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,199 and we knew that it wasn't the fairies. I'm not 107 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,560 disputing the reality of that connection there, but to us 108 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,800 it was like something from Doctor Who. And then, of 109 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:02,120 course you suffer because of the event of other so 110 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,879 called experts with it that follow the official narrative telling you, well, 111 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:08,759 it's because you're imaginative, And my argument is, okay, so 112 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,720 you need to be a blank personality to see one 113 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:16,199 of these objects. I think that is totally irrelevant. But 114 00:07:16,319 --> 00:07:22,600 that then fueled this passion, is drive to take myself 115 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:26,399 to the local library and to fish out because of 116 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:28,759 course we didn't have any money, and of course the 117 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,560 only way you could read books was to borrow them 118 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,319 from the library, and that's what I did, and I 119 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,079 used to spend me and my body used to spend 120 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:37,680 saturdays working on our own little projects. Mine was on UFOs, 121 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,480 namely the Roswell crash and other bizarre occurrences, and my 122 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,519 brother did projects on robots because he's very much into 123 00:07:44,639 --> 00:07:53,120 technology and robotics. But the true horror of what happened 124 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,959 to me occurred in the winter of nineteen eighty nine. Now, 125 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,920 granted that every single event far from that period I 126 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,360 have categorically recorded with dates and times, so there wasn't 127 00:08:04,399 --> 00:08:06,319 a great many of them, but they when they did 128 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,800 come in that means the UFO phenomena. Let me tell 129 00:08:09,839 --> 00:08:11,920 you it was up close and personal. But it was 130 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:13,720 in the winter of nineteen eighty nine when we lived 131 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:16,600 in the village of Mastermore tame a winter night coming 132 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:21,959 back in December, and I had what they called an abduction. 133 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:24,079 I'm not going to go into detail with that crave 134 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,120 because it's too far long winded, and I've been through 135 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,600 that so many times, but let's just say that there 136 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,840 was one part of the experience. When I'd got into 137 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,600 the house, my brother and my sister were there. We 138 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,759 lived in a culdi sack, most of the doors raw 139 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:42,720 frosted glass, beautiful frosted glass to the front of the 140 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:49,039 house as well, and that generated the appearance of a 141 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,679 gray type being that came through the door of the house. 142 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,039 When the atmosphere started to become very strange and my 143 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,279 brother went into a trance, who was standing in front 144 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,600 of me and raised his head to the ceiling and said, 145 00:09:01,639 --> 00:09:03,960 there's going to be an earthquake, or Grandma's going to die. 146 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,399 The dog was going wild, and then the appearance of 147 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,240 this thing that came through the glass of the door. 148 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,559 That there was a light before that, but in the 149 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,759 early hours of the morning later on, I found myself 150 00:09:12,799 --> 00:09:17,200 being taken through through the glass doors to the house 151 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,600 and outside. And subsequent to that, there was an abduction 152 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:24,679 that occurred that was very disturbing. The last part of 153 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,679 that abduction really scared the hell out of me, because 154 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,080 the last gray that I saw, uniform gray, seemed to 155 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,320 be mimicking what my brother had done earlier in the 156 00:09:33,399 --> 00:09:39,360 evening and in the dining area, where he raised his 157 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,480 head and went into a kind of chance and said 158 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,440 there's going to be an earthquake or Grandma's going to die. 159 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,960 But the Great, when I asked him a question to 160 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,759 try to prove to me how they're able to get 161 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,600 us through solid matter, seemed to scramble something in him, 162 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,919 and he raised his head underneath his craft and started 163 00:09:54,919 --> 00:10:01,039 to rasp some unintelligent, unintelligible electronics that reminded me of 164 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,000 the voice. The size we had Frosadic's eighty one many 165 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,799 years ago, and subsequent to that, I then wanted to 166 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,759 find out, you know, about the alien abduction and why. 167 00:10:12,039 --> 00:10:13,960 I and many other people led to believe that it 168 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,000 happened on a very physical level of integration. But this 169 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,200 led them in nineteen ninety six to a theoretical model 170 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,600 about consciousness, the soul, the dangers and cloning what the 171 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:28,600 Grays may represent. So that that's, in a nutshell, how 172 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:29,200 it all began. 173 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 3: Craig, So, what do you think the Grays are? 174 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:41,159 Speaker 4: Philip, Yes, the penultimate question, and I don't Yeah, the 175 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,919 big question, and I can tell you right now, I 176 00:10:45,039 --> 00:10:50,039 don't know, but I do have some theories. And the 177 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,360 only way I can explain it is that when you 178 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,200 get involved with any form of paranormal research, you start 179 00:10:56,279 --> 00:10:59,200 off very much in the basic stages of it, I 180 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,919 either nuts some factor of it, and as you go 181 00:11:03,039 --> 00:11:07,159 along and you start to discover more or experience more, 182 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:10,399 you go through a period of transmutation. There is a 183 00:11:10,519 --> 00:11:14,000 change within your thinking, There is an evolution within the 184 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,879 way that you view reality because you're starting to make 185 00:11:17,919 --> 00:11:22,360 connections that weren't previously made available to you. The Grays 186 00:11:22,519 --> 00:11:26,759 themselves you know, I've had people telling me what they are, 187 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,279 where they come from, even their names and their levels 188 00:11:29,279 --> 00:11:32,159 of high command. I lose the plot there. I'm more 189 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,039 interested in the deeper theoretical aspect of what these things are. Now, 190 00:11:36,039 --> 00:11:38,679 there are varied opinions, and I'm open to every single 191 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:43,480 one of them. But in nineteen ninety six I had 192 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,919 and experienced what I could only term as and I 193 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,919 suppose would be a download. I remembered since nineteen eighty 194 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,240 nine through to that period, I wanted desperately to work 195 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:56,440 out how it was the grays were able to remove 196 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:01,840 me from my biological form and take me through solid matter, 197 00:12:02,639 --> 00:12:06,360 as though creating some kind of altered composite that I 198 00:12:06,399 --> 00:12:10,799 would be matched by their frequency. Now, in nineteen ninety six, 199 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,519 I remembered I'd been at work and I had this download. 200 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,399 I was literally working, and then all of these ideas 201 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:18,720 started coming into my head. It was like I had 202 00:12:18,759 --> 00:12:21,759 the answer. I'm not saying it is the answer, but 203 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,960 to me on a personal level, it was like wow. 204 00:12:24,039 --> 00:12:26,120 It was one of those big wow factor I suppose, 205 00:12:26,159 --> 00:12:28,080 you know, when they had a signal coming from space, 206 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,000 you know, and it's like wow. So I remember jotting 207 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,399 it all down, and then I went home and wrote 208 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,799 it out, send it to a magazine, a leading magazine 209 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,080 then Alien Encounters, and they accepted it and called it 210 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,519 revolutionary only with an its speculative content, but it dealt 211 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:49,480 with the inherent dangers of cloning. And this led me 212 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,799 into the study of the afterlife consciousness. I'm not saying 213 00:12:52,799 --> 00:12:55,399 the grades are connected to those in what we call 214 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:00,039 the afterlife, but this brought into the question of incarnation 215 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,759 and reincarnations. So the Grays seem to be clones or copies. 216 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:10,159 They don't seem to have any personality, no emotions, no feelings, 217 00:13:10,279 --> 00:13:14,159 no understanding of time, of color, of taste, of smell, 218 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:20,679 of love. And it's interesting that the Grays allegedly are 219 00:13:21,639 --> 00:13:26,159 interested in our reproductive processes. And we hear a lot 220 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,720 about the hybridization program that it was meant to be 221 00:13:30,759 --> 00:13:33,679 in or still is being implemented by the Grays, or 222 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:38,799 so we hear from certain other contacts or abductees that is, 223 00:13:38,919 --> 00:13:43,200 or experiences. And I thought, well, why would an extraterrestrial 224 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:48,399 species be interested in the aspect of replication of cloning 225 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:53,159 when they themselves cannot replicate? And how is it that 226 00:13:53,159 --> 00:13:56,200 they're able to get us through solid matter. So this 227 00:13:56,279 --> 00:14:00,200 then led me into the theoretical content of us as 228 00:14:00,279 --> 00:14:03,799 human beings, what we may really represent, which I believe, 229 00:14:03,799 --> 00:14:08,240 I know, part biological, part spiritual if I use that 230 00:14:08,279 --> 00:14:11,519 word very lightly. I'm not going down the religious ideological 231 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:16,159 section there because that creates problems. But take away the 232 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:21,080 manufactured or the false version of religion that we've all 233 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,320 been fed. I think the original version is far more 234 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:30,399 fantastic for anyone to consider. But I do understand that 235 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,759 we go through a birthing cycle. We come in with 236 00:14:33,879 --> 00:14:36,200 little or non memory of where our original source of 237 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,639 origin was, and we go through this life creating memories 238 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:42,039 and experiences, and then we go out. And of course 239 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:47,080 during this period within the research going past nineteen ninety six, 240 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:53,440 I then got involved with a lot of psychic connections, clairvoyants, 241 00:14:53,679 --> 00:14:56,200 remote viewers, that type of thing, because I thought, well, 242 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,840 the answers might lie there as opposed to the initials 243 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,279 space man theory coming from another planet not some balts 244 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:08,679 theoretical aspects. And the grays also if they are able 245 00:15:08,799 --> 00:15:12,399 to come into our dimension like specters ghosts I suppose, 246 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,600 because they're reported to go through wars and doors and 247 00:15:14,639 --> 00:15:17,840 that type of thing. Then shortly they must be operating 248 00:15:17,879 --> 00:15:20,480 on a level where they're bringing us, the real essence 249 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,799 of us into their dimension of reality and trying to 250 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,720 make this a little bit short here, if you explore 251 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,919 the near death experience, I realized back in nineteen ninety 252 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,720 six that the nd that a person experiences that means 253 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:39,639 to say that someone dies physically, and then they experience 254 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,639 going into a light in most cases communicating with loved 255 00:15:43,639 --> 00:15:48,879 ones vitelepathy, existing in a timeless, spaceless state of awareness, 256 00:15:49,519 --> 00:15:51,840 and if there is any wrong, anything wrong with their 257 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,440 body that they left behind i e. Diseased or corrupted 258 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,840 in some way that in most cases are reversible. When 259 00:15:58,879 --> 00:16:02,679 they return, when their consciousness, their soul, whatever you want 260 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,759 to call it, returns to its biological form, there is 261 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:11,159 normally a correction within the cellular composition of the body, 262 00:16:11,159 --> 00:16:15,679 which means that they heal, they become re energized, healthy. 263 00:16:15,919 --> 00:16:20,200 So I considered here that the grays when they're taking you, 264 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,519 they're actually taking the real escence of you into their 265 00:16:22,519 --> 00:16:24,879 domain mother like an NDE, and whatever they do to you, 266 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,080 because you're still to a degree attached to the biological counterpart. 267 00:16:29,159 --> 00:16:32,279 Your blueprint is just temporarily removed from it. Whatever they 268 00:16:32,399 --> 00:16:34,639 the Grays do to it will invariably affect it. I 269 00:16:34,919 --> 00:16:39,919 in implants and that type of thing. So I think 270 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,879 that the Grays are looking for something that they don't have. 271 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,240 And this is interesting because we seem so far removed 272 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,600 from them in terms of our empathic nature, in terms 273 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:56,240 of what we are as human beings reproductive species, and 274 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,679 if they're creating a hybridization program, this may, I suppose 275 00:17:01,759 --> 00:17:05,400 suggest to a degree, we can theoretically assume that they're 276 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,920 interested in the soul consciousness that spark of the divinity 277 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,440 that we have that they don't, and if they have 278 00:17:11,559 --> 00:17:15,119 gone through a process of self replication, then it's possible 279 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,720 that they have on some level counciled themselves out of creation. 280 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:24,200 Now there's a very interesting part to this, Craig, that 281 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,640 got me thinking even more, and I have actually mentioned 282 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,839 this interrestrial trespassed as the new book that finnam Mental's 283 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,680 brought out through Flying Dispress. If we go back into 284 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:39,240 the past with regards to Genesis, which really interests me 285 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,279 because like you and many other people, it's not just 286 00:17:43,319 --> 00:17:48,000 about the ufouap phenomena. It's also about a lot of 287 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:50,880 other subject matters that have been hidden from us, namely 288 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,480 from a system that is utilizing its own control and 289 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,079 mental subjugation. But when you start digging into the past, 290 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:02,759 you find a completely different story with regards to the 291 00:18:02,799 --> 00:18:05,759 creation mythos as we call it mythos, that's how it's 292 00:18:05,799 --> 00:18:08,839 been generated from the system that we serve in, most 293 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:14,079 notably within the religious factions that are connected very powerfully 294 00:18:14,079 --> 00:18:18,400 to a lot of people. So in heyday, I mean, 295 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,759 you know, if we think about it very simply, most 296 00:18:22,759 --> 00:18:26,400 people were conditioned within the churches. Fear was promoted, and 297 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,200 if anyone stepped out of line by using their mind 298 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,839 in a different way than they were considered to be 299 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,599 a witch and burnt or drowned, so as an example 300 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,519 to others to stay in order to keep in check 301 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:44,000 and to not think outside the box. So if we 302 00:18:44,079 --> 00:18:48,200 go back into the antidivilian cultures, we understand and I 303 00:18:48,279 --> 00:18:50,839 believe this hypothesis it makes more sense than the God 304 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,480 hypothesis or I'm not counseling out God, is that we 305 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,240 were created and generated by extraterrestrials what we would call 306 00:18:58,279 --> 00:19:02,200 extraterrestrials or even more advanced antidivilian culture that was here 307 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:07,640 long before we came along through our creation, and the 308 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,599 story goes I'm sure you're aware, is that the gods 309 00:19:10,599 --> 00:19:13,119 as we would call them, perhaps very much like us, 310 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:20,000 but slightly different. I suppose didn't want to create a 311 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,759 species through the hominid genetically that could reproduce. But of 312 00:19:23,799 --> 00:19:28,559 course this is what happened. But I wonder on some 313 00:19:28,799 --> 00:19:30,839 level of whether or not these gods have been on 314 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:36,400 another star system and created another species that could not reproduce. 315 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,039 What if they were on a world where they created 316 00:19:39,079 --> 00:19:43,039 the grays and they, you know, the gods came here 317 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,440 or you know, to many other worlds, I suppose, and 318 00:19:46,519 --> 00:19:50,559 that these grays have found us and are interested in 319 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,920 why it is that we have been made and evolved 320 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,480 so differently from them, and that we can reproduce. That's 321 00:19:55,519 --> 00:19:58,839 just another example that I've used within the book. We 322 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,039 know about the remote viewing hypothesis, us from the future hypothesis, 323 00:20:03,079 --> 00:20:06,359 the demonic hypothesis. It's all there and I'm embracing all 324 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,240 of it. So it's a good question, Craig, But I 325 00:20:09,279 --> 00:20:13,039 can assure you that we're still no, why is it 326 00:20:13,079 --> 00:20:15,559 in understanding what it is? But the other thing we 327 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,400 have to take very gently is that the grays, to 328 00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:22,200 my mind, are able to morph themselves into our mythology, 329 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,200 our culture, and also into our fiction, which is very interesting. 330 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,119 So we may be dealing with something that's far beyond 331 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,920 our current level of understanding totally. 332 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 3: So well, there's an awful lot to unpack there. 333 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,279 Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, I'm sorry. I didn't want to load that 334 00:20:39,319 --> 00:20:39,839 on your life. 335 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,039 Speaker 3: Oh no, that's absolutely fine. I am. I am frantically 336 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,519 scribbling down notes as you were talking. I mean, it's 337 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:51,960 fascinating subject. I'm interested in your theorism and your hypothesis 338 00:20:51,960 --> 00:21:01,480 about ancient religions and the notion of the gods created, 339 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:08,279 creating us, and perhaps creating the grays as well. When 340 00:21:08,279 --> 00:21:11,839 we're looking back at ancient religions, there's obviously a lot 341 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:16,119 of crossover between different ancient religions from different different parts 342 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,759 of the globe. Yeah, you see images of what looks 343 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:28,519 like a sort of bipedal creature satin sort of UFO, 344 00:21:28,759 --> 00:21:36,759 sort of circular around type of of of U foes, 345 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:38,240 do you. 346 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:38,519 Speaker 1: Know what I mean? 347 00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 3: You see them, You see them in different different freezes 348 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,480 on different ancient relics, different ancient buildings, and so on. 349 00:21:46,839 --> 00:21:51,400 So I'm just I'm just sort of wondering where you 350 00:21:51,559 --> 00:21:55,359 think these gods come into it all, apart from apart 351 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,680 from creating us, Where did they come from? What was 352 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,039 what was the Are they still around? Are they still 353 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,559 visiting us? Yes? 354 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's debatable enough. Yeah, I think that they 355 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:15,160 are Addavilian cultures. You know, if we go into ancient 356 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,359 cuneiforms and codexes as well codices, we find a lot 357 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,319 of hidden meaning and messages that tell us that we 358 00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:26,759 as the human species, is much older than we've currently 359 00:22:26,839 --> 00:22:31,759 been told, and within varied epochs that we can record, 360 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,640 each civilization has been met by disaster or total destruction. 361 00:22:37,599 --> 00:22:41,759 So it's possible that these so called gods as we 362 00:22:41,839 --> 00:22:44,720 would call them, although I suppose they could live much 363 00:22:44,759 --> 00:22:48,640 longer than us, because my understanding is that through their 364 00:22:49,079 --> 00:22:54,640 hybridization or cloning program, reproductive program with a human here 365 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:59,160 on earth in gan Eden, and there were many I 366 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:06,480 think production areas where it wasn't just in Eden, in 367 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:11,400 Africa or these places. I think that these gods wanted 368 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,799 to create a slave labor force, and I think much 369 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:18,039 has changed today because humanity seems to be caught within 370 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,599 that will of being a slave to the system, a 371 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:26,279 servant to the system. It's interesting. It's possible that these 372 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,039 so called gods and there could be varied factions of them. 373 00:23:29,079 --> 00:23:31,559 I suppose we have to be open to the fact 374 00:23:31,559 --> 00:23:36,039 that are we dealing with one species, one entity that 375 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,480 has branched out like humans. We don't know, but it 376 00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:41,839 could be that they have been on our planet for 377 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,920 a very very very long time. Indeed, and I don't 378 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,079 doubt that they perhaps had come from the stars or 379 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,839 from another dimension. Let's bring that theory into the equation. 380 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,000 And you know, because if you look at the human 381 00:23:59,599 --> 00:24:02,680 we are so ill equipped. If we are to believe 382 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:08,920 in Darwin's evolutionary system, I don't buy that in terms 383 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,839 of us as the human evolving from the ape, because 384 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,880 we still have apes today and we are so far 385 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,599 removed from the ape, I mean, bipedal we are, but 386 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,359 we are ill adapted to survive on this planet. We 387 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,359 wouldn't be able to survive if we were natural inhabitants 388 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,960 from the planet and gone through this set evolutionary cycle. 389 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,319 It's impossible. I mean, you know, if you think about it. 390 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,599 We don't have enough hair on our body. We shy 391 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,920 from our very own sun. You know, we just wouldn't 392 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,400 be able to survive within the elements if this was 393 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,480 all termed evolutionary, because we would have adapted to the environment. 394 00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:46,200 But I do believe that there was some kind of 395 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,480 cross breeding or experimentation with the hominid I. 396 00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:49,839 Speaker 2: Ed. 397 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,839 Speaker 4: Eight or some kind of chimpanzee or monkey or something 398 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,079 like that. I think more in terms of the ape 399 00:24:57,079 --> 00:25:01,759 and then modified part with the animal and then part 400 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,920 with what we were term mixed to terrestrial and infusion 401 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,039 of the two. And of course, when we go back 402 00:25:09,079 --> 00:25:12,000 into the ancient past, when we look at what we 403 00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:14,680 consider in its original version that we believe that we've 404 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,400 got in front of us of the Bible, it's not 405 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,119 We have to understand the Bible had been written by 406 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,160 many different authors and a lot of what was recorded 407 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:28,279 within the Holy Books has been absolutely changed, remodified. There 408 00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:31,279 was no mention in the Bible of a god. There 409 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:38,359 were mentioned of species of the Anunaki, of the Nephilim, 410 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,039 of these angels that were quite brutal. To be honest 411 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:43,519 with you, and of course you'll be horrified because most 412 00:25:43,559 --> 00:25:46,960 people in the system have been programmed, and to challenge 413 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,799 their belief system would be absolutely monumentally destructive because they 414 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,960 will have conscious dissidents. They will not want to change 415 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,839 our belief system. You can't blame them. But when you 416 00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:03,359 find out that the system that we serve has categorically 417 00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:08,519 lied and from each stage making us believe that there 418 00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:12,599 are no such things as extraterrestrials, angels, gods, whatever you 419 00:26:12,599 --> 00:26:15,079 want to call it. There's no such thing as life 420 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:20,119 after death. My argument is this, Craig, what on earth 421 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,720 is the big problem in this Why is it that 422 00:26:24,759 --> 00:26:30,119 the system continuously refutes other than a few bits of 423 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,640 that are dripped into the media cartel or a little 424 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,559 bit of revelation, doesn't lead us any further to the 425 00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:39,480 truth of what we're looking into. So, like yourself, like 426 00:26:39,559 --> 00:26:43,200 myself and many other good researchers, brilliant researchers out there, 427 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,640 we're left scratching our head and we just have the 428 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:51,680 theoretical content. But lastly, the film Prometheus to do with 429 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,000 the Alien. Of course, I love the Alien film, and 430 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,200 you know, of course the Aliens, they were the two 431 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,720 of the good films. But the Prometheus was answering the 432 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,759 same question who created the alien? And then we find 433 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:07,519 out that it was the so called gods and that 434 00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:11,200 they didn't know, and you know, it led to the scientists, 435 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,039 the female scientist at the end, having to go off 436 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,599 to find where these so called humanoid gods were to 437 00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:22,160 find the answer there. So it's quite a big question. 438 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,559 But we do know that the phenomena is here. It's real, 439 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,160 but it's not operating on the parallels that we would 440 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,200 imagine in terms of coming from another planet. I'm not 441 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,680 disputing that some may, but the large proportion of cases 442 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,160 stipulates that we are dealing I think with an intermensal 443 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,240 hypothesis here. 444 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting to talk about religious texts. I mean, 445 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,039 if you look at the New Testament, for instance, it's 446 00:27:47,079 --> 00:27:48,960 well known that a lot of the books were actually 447 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,440 written three, four or five hundred years after the events 448 00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:55,920 within the books were supposed to taking place. And I mean, 449 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,920 religion is something that I don't particularly get into on 450 00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:03,559 the podcasts, and I sport to people who've you know, 451 00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:10,359 who've referenced it. I recently interviewed the Reverend Allison Shane's 452 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,359 who obviously touched on religion quite a bit. But I'm 453 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:21,599 I'm quite interested about you mentioned earlier on about reincarnation 454 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,359 and us life memories. I'm quite interested how that all 455 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:31,200 fits into the whole tapestry of what's going on with 456 00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:31,720 the grays. 457 00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 4: Yes, well, we have inherent memory, or that we have 458 00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:39,000 memories not from here. Now, there's been the argument that 459 00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:42,599 within the scientific fraternity that all that's happening is that 460 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,960 we are collating the memories through a genetic level, through 461 00:28:46,039 --> 00:28:48,720 the passing of genes. That is impossible because if that 462 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:52,440 was the case, we would be neurologically defunct because there'll 463 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,759 be too much in there to store. The question is 464 00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:59,160 interesting and debatable about the process of reincarnation. We don't 465 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,480 know how it happened or the process involved. Indeed, with 466 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:05,480 those who have crossed over, we do understand that there 467 00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:08,160 is a form of conscious connection from their realm to ours, 468 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,079 but we don't know what happens to them in the 469 00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:15,519 core of that experience. But I do understand that we 470 00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:20,640 create memory, and that's the only thing as the human 471 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,720 that we carry with us throughout our life. Even if 472 00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:26,680 that memory is being corrupted through some kind of devastating 473 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,359 illness like dementia or Alzheimer's your biological system is still 474 00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:35,079 recording through the influx of conscious awareness. Rather like a 475 00:29:35,119 --> 00:29:37,559 mobile phone, you've got the physical hardware and you've got 476 00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:39,480 the signal, which is the phone a little bit of energy, 477 00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:42,720 as we have energy to make us get up and go, 478 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,680 and consciousness which helps us brings that in animation into 479 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,279 this biological sphere. So if you damage your phone, the 480 00:29:51,319 --> 00:29:54,359 signal will still be pure. It will still record, transmit 481 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,759 and receive information to a degree if it's able to 482 00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:00,480 do that, but record definitely, And if your phone should die, 483 00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:02,519 that signal is then sent back into the hub of 484 00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:05,119 all the other signals and you can reconnect that information 485 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,680 with a new phone. So I give a very simple 486 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,799 example of how consciousness may work. I think we're all 487 00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:13,480 linked to a degree on a conscious level, that we've 488 00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:17,799 separated the two perhaps billions upon billions of fragments in 489 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,839 order to go through this experience that we are encountering 490 00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:24,640 here on earth, and maybe not just this system of reality. 491 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,880 The reincarnation aspect is interesting. I don't understand how it 492 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,960 is that the human or call it human in this form, 493 00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:36,640 the consciousness of the soul, the spirit would want to 494 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,920 come into the system of reality just for one go 495 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,559 and then return back and that's it. It doesn't make 496 00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:44,960 any sense to me experience, And it doesn't make any 497 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,559 sense to me either if we do go through the 498 00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:51,720 process of choice on the other side to return back 499 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,640 to this world and then put ourselves in a war 500 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,440 torn country or devastating experiences like Alschwitz or something like that. 501 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,799 Why on earth would we go through that? So I 502 00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:06,200 think perhaps there is a problem, or there is some 503 00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:10,759 kind of issue or situation that's occurred in the past 504 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,960 where we seem to be caught in a wheel on 505 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:19,279 some level. Now, the grays don't seem to exhibit these 506 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,119 connections that we have, like memory that we have that's 507 00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:26,480 so unique to the human because we seem to be 508 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:29,319 so far removed from the rest of creation in terms 509 00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:32,319 of the animal kingdom, the plant kingdom, or the rest 510 00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:35,000 of it, but also within the areas of the power noormal, 511 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,480 you know, because we hear about the grays and the reptilians, 512 00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:43,200 we hear about the Susquatch, we hear about the dogmen 513 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,720 and the you know, the hat man and all these 514 00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:49,079 other things, and they all seem to operate on an 515 00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:52,960 inter dimensional level and they on most levels. They're able 516 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,960 to communicate on some cases with mind speak and telepathy 517 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,640 for want of a better word. Son know, when we 518 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,200 look at the human obviously there seemed to be some 519 00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:07,359 importance to our evolution. But we come here and then 520 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,359 we have amnesia. We can't remember where we're from unless 521 00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:12,720 the caucial regressed or you have strong memories. I have 522 00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:15,200 a few of what we consider to be past lives, 523 00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:19,119 and the rest of it is very confusing. So but 524 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,319 these other entities that come in, you know, God knows 525 00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:24,799 where they're all coming from. There's so many of them, 526 00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:27,920 but we still have no real proof to grab one 527 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,440 and hold it and say, yes, you are physical. I've 528 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,160 got you. You're standing right in front of me, and 529 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,400 we just don't know. But taking the Grays, for example, 530 00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:40,920 trying to break things down into a simple category. I 531 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,000 say simple with all due respect because it's not. But 532 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,640 in terms of categorizing this whole phenomena from one you 533 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:55,359 know species or you know alien or cryptozoological being, I think, 534 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,599 looking at the Grays and I had experienced them and 535 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,720 encountered them, I wanted to find out more about what 536 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,839 they were. So I think there's some kind of struggle 537 00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:08,599 or some kind of interest from them in exploring us. 538 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,440 It could even be possible that they are generating these 539 00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:15,279 hybrids to create a new race, to take them to 540 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:19,079 an altogether different dimension. Because the human species is almost finished, 541 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,839 we have to take that hypothesis into consideration as well. 542 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,519 But with the Grays, it's dark, they seem to hide 543 00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:32,799 within the shadows, and they're able to also, not that 544 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,000 I saw this, but they're able to. On a lot 545 00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:38,359 of cases, is bringing the person who's being abducted, they're 546 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,319 dead relatives on board, and even we hear experiences where 547 00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:45,680 the abductee is seeing soldiers on board. And this is 548 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,559 where I think a lot of confusion can become possible, 549 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,359 with people then believing that it's the military that's connected 550 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,359 with them. And I'm not discounting that there is every 551 00:33:56,359 --> 00:34:00,480 possibility that they are. But the Grays themselves never seem 552 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,359 to give straight answers. They're more interested in how we tick, 553 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,920 how we work, and it's almost like they're digging for 554 00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:13,880 something that they want, you know. And I'm sure there's 555 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,360 some good grades out there. I've never met them. I've 556 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,280 only had the experience with these grades. And there are 557 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,960 the three reptilians on one occasion nineteen eighty nine. There 558 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,000 may have been varied other cases, but I cannot and 559 00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:28,599 will not state that for a fact unless I have 560 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,800 total record of those events. So it's a really good question, 561 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,559 isn't it. 562 00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:37,039 Speaker 3: It is? It is, And as I said, there's an awful 563 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:42,880 lot to unpack with what's going on here. I'm interested 564 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,760 in past life memories you mentioned, and you know, please 565 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,280 please decline to go into anything too personal. But I 566 00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:57,840 myself have a very strong memory. Well, it started when 567 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,920 I was when I was a child, which I was. 568 00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:02,599 It was a dream or a nightmare, real more than anything, 569 00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:06,960 and it was very vivid, and I do quite strongly 570 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,599 believe that it was a past life memory. I'm just 571 00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:13,440 wondering what your thoughts are on past life memories and 572 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,039 whether you could perhaps share a little bit about perhaps 573 00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:18,880 some of yours, if it's not too personal. 574 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,639 Speaker 4: No, I'm quite happy to do that for you, Craig. Absolutely, 575 00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:26,159 I've got nothing to hide. Yes, I mean, it's interesting 576 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,639 what you term your nightmare of a past life memory, 577 00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:32,880 and I have I have never had any form of 578 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,679 regression or hymnotherapy. One person to try it. God loved 579 00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:37,199 them once, but they couldn't do it. I just could 580 00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:40,679 not be regressed. That's probably why I remembered the entire 581 00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:45,880 aspect of my Dutch phenomena when it occurred. That is possible. 582 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,280 I can't prove that that is the case. But with 583 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,599 regards to past life memories, I do have a few 584 00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:52,519 of them, and I will explain them. They've all been 585 00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:58,119 very depressing, and one of them had been when I 586 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,760 was some kind of tramp and up north somewhere. I 587 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,480 can still see the factory in the distance, and there 588 00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:08,760 seems to have been this kind of like rough ground, 589 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,159 rough terrain, and an old shelter where I hung out. 590 00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:15,239 I wasn't a drinker, but I remembered there was a 591 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,360 lady up not far from where I was that lived 592 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,360 on a hill, and she would come down every day 593 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,840 with her two children and give me a basket of 594 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,519 I can't remember if it was water, but food as well, 595 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,920 and books, because I loved books. The other memory I 596 00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:38,199 have was of India, and this I remembered as a kid, 597 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:43,960 and the the the visual processing, the emotions have never changed. 598 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,599 But I was a small slave boy. I think I 599 00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:50,440 was probably about five years of age, wearing a dirty 600 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,199 white tunic. I could see my home, which was nothing 601 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,320 more than just like It wasn't even brick, it was 602 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,599 just like white, and it was dirty. And I had 603 00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,079 a room upstairs that was a hard bed, and that 604 00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:02,920 was all I had, and I remembered that I didn't 605 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,519 have any The parents either died or they'd gone, I 606 00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:09,000 don't know. But then I remembered seeing the elephants crossing 607 00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:11,719 the river, now that I know to be Gamgy. And 608 00:37:12,039 --> 00:37:15,639 of course, then fast forward and then probably about I 609 00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:19,679 don't know, in my twenties, maybe early thirties, and I'm 610 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,039 working for a master, a very rich man, and I 611 00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:27,000 can still see this bathing area that was all stone 612 00:37:27,039 --> 00:37:29,639 with the gate. And when I opened up this gate 613 00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:31,880 outside it went to the stone area, there was water 614 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,480 and there was another Indian man in this water bathing. 615 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:35,960 It had a turbined on his head, and I was 616 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,760 his friend, and we spoke, and I remember the cold 617 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,880 connection of the actual building, the taj Mahal, because of 618 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,960 the famous pictures of it, I thought, well, there's another 619 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,199 part to it that I remember, and it was another 620 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,440 gated part with these steps leading up to it. And 621 00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:56,320 sure enough I found that in a book and couldn't 622 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:01,960 believe it. And this master that I served was very powerful, 623 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,000 and we had this deal where he would have something 624 00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:08,639 within a box on his desk, and the trust was 625 00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:11,519 I would never open that box. Never. But I guess 626 00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:15,400 I run urrands. I remember my death. I seemed to 627 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,000 be under some kind of underground part I don't know 628 00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:21,320 if it was or a lower part to the building, 629 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,440 and I'm laying on a mat and my master's with me, 630 00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:26,960 and there are another another gentleman. I think there were 631 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,960 two other gentlemen there with me, holding my hand as 632 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,960 I obviously became ill, and then I passed over, So 633 00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:37,840 that that that northern one, but I assume was northern 634 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:43,039 and the Indian one were the most prevalent in terms 635 00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:47,159 of memory. And it it kind of like, you know, 636 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,280 even with the northern one, I could still smell the 637 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,199 the smell of the smog or I don't want I 638 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,800 don't know what you call it, but there was some 639 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,320 kind of like smell within the air that I suppose 640 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,440 if there's factories or something, I don't know. They were 641 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:05,159 all very depressing and I have to count my blessings 642 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:10,800 because in this life, you know, we're doing Okay, I'm 643 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,800 blessed with everything I have, but I'm thinking, Dear Lord, 644 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,599 when I get back to the other side, there's two 645 00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:17,480 things I'm going to do. I'm going to get a refund. 646 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,440 I'm going to say to them, what on Earth, underscore, 647 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,599 underscore the Earth? Was that all about? So I think 648 00:39:26,639 --> 00:39:30,719 that to some level. I even saw David Ike talk personally, 649 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,880 see him talk. I didn't meet him because there were 650 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,119 too many people, but he was really brilliant, and he 651 00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:38,639 did make me laugh when he said, well, I won't 652 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,400 use the word he said, but why on Earth? He said, 653 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,519 would I? This is David Ike himself, why would I 654 00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:48,400 keep coming down to this blinking planet? And I kind 655 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,519 of like thought, you know, when he said that, of 656 00:39:50,559 --> 00:39:53,119 all the places, we are tiny dot in this immensity 657 00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:55,199 of space, and it's like, you know, David, I kind 658 00:39:55,199 --> 00:40:00,079 of agree with you, because what is this? What's going 659 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:02,880 on the here? And of course then we're born into 660 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,880 a world where we're mentally subjugated and to a degree controlled, 661 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,639 and there is nothing really on this planet which is 662 00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:14,679 showing any form of development, nothing to show that we're 663 00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:17,519 getting the best out of many individuals who'd want to 664 00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:22,440 contribute towards our evolution, our species. Nothing, it's it to 665 00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:26,159 my mind, Craig, I'm sure you think the same here. 666 00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:30,400 It is completely and totally backwards. It's what I would 667 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,360 call Noddy's toy Land for me, that blightens one of 668 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,599 our books. It is depressing in some levels, and it's 669 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:42,400 angry and destructive and I just don't understand that part 670 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,239 of it. I really don't. But those were my well 671 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,679 there were a few others, but those were my incarnation, 672 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,119 major incarnation memories. 673 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's certainly a struggle I think for 674 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,960 the vast majority of people that are living on the 675 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,400 planet today. I mean, obviously we are a supposedly developed contrary, 676 00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:04,360 there's obviously people who struggle from day to day who 677 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,679 are living in this country as well. 678 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, absolutely, and they're turning people against people and 679 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,039 it's becoming ugly. We know what's going we know what's 680 00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:15,320 going on behind the scenes. We know what they do. 681 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,920 When I say they the powers that be, all the 682 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,880 pappets are just taking their orders from their masters. That's 683 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:21,679 all that's happening. 684 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 3: I mean with regards to reincarnation, I mean it's a 685 00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:28,960 very if you believe in reincarnation. It is a very 686 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,519 pertinent question. Why do we keep coming back? Yes, it 687 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,920 would seem to suggest that we actually don't have a choice, 688 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:44,119 or perhaps we are given various scenarios. You can come 689 00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:46,280 back as this person in this place, you can come 690 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,639 back as that person in that place. You choose, and 691 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,679 you sort of choose the letter of how many evils 692 00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:57,480 you're offered? Yes? Absolutely, you do you hold with that theory? 693 00:41:57,519 --> 00:41:59,079 Do you think do you think that's a possibility. Do 694 00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:03,480 you think there's a higher intelligence which when we do 695 00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:08,280 pass over into the next the next dimension, when our 696 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,559 physical bodies die, we are then given and given that 697 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,559 choice to come back again what we're told were coming back, 698 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,480 but we are given a choice as to what we 699 00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:20,519 come back into. 700 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely totally. I mean, I you know, we are left, 701 00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:27,840 as I said, to ponder these questions, and it's lovely 702 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,199 to consider all aspects of it because we can't categorically 703 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,840 prove that this is what's happening. But we do have 704 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,559 an idea through these said reports, especially through and I've 705 00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:39,159 done a lot of studying research into nd and I'm 706 00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:42,599 actually linked within their Death Institute anyway. But what's interesting 707 00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:45,840 is that it's possible, Craig, that the decision for us 708 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,239 to incarnate onto this planet, because Earth is unique. I've 709 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,599 got to say to you now, we all know it 710 00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:54,039 is a beautiful planet. It's actually people term it guy, 711 00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:57,400 it's a life support system, and people just oh no, 712 00:42:57,639 --> 00:42:59,760 you know, just you know, it's just a planet. It's 713 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,719 not there is. It is a beautiful planet. It is 714 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,920 absolutely stunning. But there's a lot that's gone wrong here. 715 00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:10,000 And I think going back into Genesis, even the beginning 716 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,920 of what we consider to be time, through our awakening, 717 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,159 our awareness, there's always been trouble and it's possible that 718 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,480 the lighter forces on the other side that many other 719 00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:24,840 people are sent as kind of like and you know, 720 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,320 everyone's important, and you know, you have to be very 721 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,599 careful with how you work things because everyone's offended literally 722 00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:33,840 by anything. Come on, grow a backbone. We're all human. 723 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,039 You've got in mind. Let's argue this out constructively. You know, 724 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,880 it could be that they have sent ambassadors here to 725 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,320 bring about this correction to this planet. That many, many, 726 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,599 many people who are going through this awakening or stages 727 00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:54,320 of remembrance recall are here to try to change the 728 00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:57,639 evil that is happening on this and I have to 729 00:43:57,639 --> 00:44:01,679 state that word categorically. It is evil because you know, 730 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,239 a lot of things now are coming to the fore 731 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,360 I won't mention them here, and a lot of people are, uh, 732 00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:13,159 you know, removing themselves from the official narrative where they 733 00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:16,280 can see that there are massive holes in them and 734 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,079 the infrastructure is trying so hard to keep a clamp 735 00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:21,000 down on us. So I believe that there are some 736 00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:26,519 alternate forces, darker forces, if you will, there's operating within 737 00:44:26,559 --> 00:44:28,719 this system of reality, because Earth is unique and it 738 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,800 could have been hijacked, and that there is every possibility 739 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,360 to consider this because you know, we're finding and we're 740 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,960 seeing that most of the time all this world is 741 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,199 interested in his power, money and destruction. It doesn't have 742 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:50,119 any you know, want for peace, for progression, for spiritual advancement. 743 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,239 All that's happening is that we are being dumb down 744 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,519 and in every opportunity where someone, some brilliant minds somewhere 745 00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:00,760 can can bring a new theory or new piece of 746 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,119 technology to the table that will help us, No, no, no, 747 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,800 it's got to be the system's way, which is you know, money, money, money, power. 748 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,199 And then if you step out of line will crush you. 749 00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:15,320 I do feel and believe there is a darker force here. 750 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,239 I will say it. I do, and I think this 751 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,519 darker force has been here for a very long time 752 00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:23,480 and operating behind the scenes, and it's aware of those 753 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:29,039 individuals who are awakened or coming here to try to 754 00:45:29,159 --> 00:45:32,880 change things in the very small ways. I'll give you 755 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,719 an example, Craig, I just want to ask you this. 756 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,199 If you've ever experienced this, it was a little experiment 757 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,840 I performed many years ago when I was a kid. 758 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,079 And you know, you get it. You wake up in 759 00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:44,960 the morning, you think, right today, I'm going to be 760 00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:48,880 the most positive, constructive Indian. I'm going to help every 761 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,599 infectional I'm going to go out there and I'm going 762 00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:53,199 to shine my light. I'm going to just help people 763 00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:56,719 in the world. And what happens as soon as you 764 00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,239 go dancing down that lane, I suppose a little bit 765 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,480 like little Red riding hood and in the distance is 766 00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:06,719 the wolf watching her with you know, very eager eyes. 767 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,639 As soon as you go down that path, you find 768 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:15,079 every single horrible thing that could go wrong or happen. Yeah, 769 00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:19,760 and I wonder, I wonder if take this as an 770 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,760 example and people laugh. But I don't think that we 771 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:27,840 should laugh, because conscious experimentation psych experimentation has been going 772 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,360 on with military factions, indeed with the secret scientific industrial complexes. 773 00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:35,920 I wonder if there is some kind of I have 774 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,119 this vision in my head and it's only a vision, 775 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,039 maybe a fantasy. It could be a reality, who knows. 776 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,159 But I have the scene of all these you know, 777 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,880 people in a basement somewhere with all these massive computers, 778 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,039 and they're, oh, look, there's a dot coming up here. 779 00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:56,719 It's Craig. He's operating outside of those normal parameters of 780 00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,760 conscious control. What's happening here? We've got to bring him 781 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,880 back down into the mold. We can't have him out 782 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:06,840 there like that. Or it's possible as well that when 783 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,800 you think about and just changing the subjects slightly, just 784 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,079 something for you to think about here, Craig. And I've 785 00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:17,079 also mentioned this is that those people, those individuals who 786 00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:23,320 are rebelling against the normal processing of control, of the 787 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,800 official narrative of them taking their own lead in life 788 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,559 and operating within their own spiritual levels and becoming brighter 789 00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:35,360 and more lighter and more connected with their divinity, that 790 00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:39,519 the system will then send their agents of darkness to 791 00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:42,159 go in and check them out. And I think a 792 00:47:42,159 --> 00:47:46,519 lot of people on individuals are brighter, are lighter within 793 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:51,400 their own evolution, their own pathway. And it's possible that 794 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,880 because they are operating outside of the normal processing of 795 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,519 how people operate within life as the system would like it, 796 00:47:58,519 --> 00:48:02,239 it's possible that these agents could actually send those what 797 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,559 we call UFOs or those those other forces in to 798 00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:07,239 go and check us out, to see why are you 799 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,880 different from you know that person there? What's making you 800 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,599 tick differently? You see what I mean? You have to 801 00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:16,360 take into all areas of consideration with regards to this 802 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,639 and I and anyone that's starting to remove themselves from 803 00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:25,199 the official line, from the official narrative. And you know, 804 00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:29,400 it's interesting how they find that their path is so 805 00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:33,480 hardened by a lot of negativity, a lot of destruction, 806 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,760 almost almost trying to bring them to the needs to say, 807 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,599 do you know what, I give up? I'm going back 808 00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:38,679 to the way I was. 809 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean. I mean, I've 810 00:48:41,639 --> 00:48:48,039 definitely been being days were when everything can go wrong 811 00:48:48,199 --> 00:48:52,360 has gone wrong, you know. And my wife Sarah's come 812 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,159 home from work and she said, how's you Dereben and 813 00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:56,599 I said, well, you won't believe it. This appened, this atom, 814 00:48:56,679 --> 00:48:59,400 this happened. And I've started off in a particularly good 815 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:00,719 mood and by the end of the day IVE ended 816 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,920 up in a particularly bad mood. Everything's just everything's just 817 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:11,760 gone wrong. Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's interesting. It's interesting. 818 00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,719 I I wonder, I mean, we're just would You were 819 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:21,519 talking before about about science fiction and about about Prometheus 820 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,199 the film, and I did find I did find the 821 00:49:25,199 --> 00:49:30,960 subject matter interesting. I didn't particularly enjoy the film. I'm 822 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,599 not a film critic, and I did feel that it 823 00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,519 sort of destroyed a lot of the mythology of the 824 00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:40,800 original alien films, which were just amazing. But I wonder 825 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,119 when you look at things like, you know, you look 826 00:49:43,159 --> 00:49:47,800 at Star Trek, you look you look at Babylon Five, 827 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:53,039 for instance, which was a particular series that I really 828 00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:55,519 enjoyed because it seemed to be a little bit more 829 00:49:57,079 --> 00:50:01,960 you know, possibly life as to what we could be, 830 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,719 you know, spacefaring wise in the future. Yeah, and the 831 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,519 Expanse as well was another one which which was very lifelike. 832 00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:11,039 I think in that respect, do you think that we 833 00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:14,800 are being sort of drip fed these types of this 834 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,400 type of science fiction in order to sort of prime 835 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,440 us for what what they know we are going to 836 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,039 evolve into in the future. 837 00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:27,360 Speaker 4: Yes, it's possible, and I think a lot of scriptwriters, 838 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,159 screenwriters and film producers are very clever. I think that 839 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,440 sometimes they can subtly put most of this messaging in 840 00:50:33,519 --> 00:50:35,760 and people say, oh, it's all science fiction. Well think 841 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,440 about this. I've just spoken to a good friend of 842 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,159 mine and we were talking about the Grays and he said, 843 00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:44,800 you know that they remind me the classic one of 844 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,639 the the alien that's in the last credits of Star Trek, 845 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,320 the original series of Star Trek, the face of it. 846 00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:56,719 And someone else told me just recently at a conference. 847 00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,920 They said that there was an episode within Star Trek 848 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,639 that we understand that my brother's covered this as well, 849 00:51:03,639 --> 00:51:07,280 that beat me up Scotti or the transportation of humans 850 00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:11,440 from one planet back up to their ship or another 851 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,119 planet is done through teleportation. And of course, within the 852 00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:18,880 field of yourphology, we find very strangely that the phenomena 853 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,079 seems to have upped its program way back from the 854 00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:27,199 nineteen forties, and when we go into the late fifties 855 00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,079 and sixties, we find that the phenomena seems to be 856 00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:34,599 utilizing some kind of like ideas that we had within 857 00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:37,519 the film industry. So whether or not this force is 858 00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:45,000 operating deep within another level and you know, appears or transforms, 859 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:50,559 translates itself within our fiction, within our mythology, is another 860 00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:54,599 good question, another good point to address. I know that 861 00:51:55,159 --> 00:51:59,159 the brilliant Jack Valet has already covered these grounds with 862 00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,199 regards to the aliens being fairies and then this and 863 00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:04,599 then that, and evolving within the way that they appear 864 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,840 to the people in the future. It's possible they may 865 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,440 be something very different. So we don't know, but certainly 866 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,719 a lot of the ideas that we have within the 867 00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,320 film industry are absolutely incredible and I think are important 868 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,840 because we need to be inspired, we need to question, 869 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,679 and I think a lot of the times, say, for instance, 870 00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,760 there's a film that I do like, although I'm not 871 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,800 a fan of the whole of it, but the ending 872 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,719 of it was pretty spectacular. Was Indiana Jones and the 873 00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:34,320 Crystal Skull, I think it was. And at the end 874 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,039 when the ship was coming out of the ground the 875 00:52:38,039 --> 00:52:40,480 Aztec building, it was all collapsing and it had come up. 876 00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,239 I thought that was pretty spectacular the way that that 877 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,840 was done. And of course when this ship disappeared, you 878 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,079 could tell straight away it was going into an interdimensional 879 00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:54,519 level of reality just flicked out very quickly. So I 880 00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:57,960 believe that, you know, when we deal with science fiction, 881 00:52:58,119 --> 00:53:02,639 it draws very closely to science fact. It seems that 882 00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,559 our ideas, or our consciousness in terms of creation with 883 00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:10,239 the mind in thinking, seems to evolve towards this level 884 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,159 where what we consider to be science fiction does actually 885 00:53:13,199 --> 00:53:15,679 turn out to be science fact in the future. It's 886 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,039 kind of ironic, I think to some degree. You know 887 00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:21,599 that now people are beginning to realize that, you know, 888 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,639 we've moved so far in terms of where we have 889 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,480 been in the past. But still the question from the 890 00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:35,000 system will refute, absolutely categorically refuse that there is anything 891 00:53:35,639 --> 00:53:38,000 other than the human and that there is no such 892 00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:40,440 thing as life after death. And I know I've mentioned 893 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:45,079 this once before, and I'm mentioning again here. I cannot 894 00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:48,079 get my head round it. It's like, what is the 895 00:53:48,119 --> 00:53:54,519 big problem unless unless there is a part of this 896 00:53:55,159 --> 00:53:59,320 which will truly disturb your average individual out on the 897 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,920 street that because they've been programmed already by a system 898 00:54:03,079 --> 00:54:08,559 to refute such claims that now, oh, yes, ladies and gentlemen, 899 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,159 aliens are real, and so are UFOs. Now uap strangely, 900 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,960 but we're going to tell you now that we're not 901 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,639 sure if they come from another planet. But there's a 902 00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:22,440 whole lot more that we've got to open the can 903 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,719 of worms towards with regards to this. So I think 904 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,639 that even then they'll be huge lawsuits and people laugh, 905 00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:32,039 but their will and I'm you know, I don't have 906 00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:35,280 the money to do it. But if the system agreed 907 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,599 and said yes, UFOs are real, they're not going to 908 00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:40,079 say they lie to us. They're going to make any 909 00:54:40,119 --> 00:54:43,199 excuse up. But what about all the damages that's occurred 910 00:54:43,199 --> 00:54:46,480 to those individuals that be moped on television, those original cases, 911 00:54:46,519 --> 00:54:49,400 with those individuals who on levels have gone through some 912 00:54:49,519 --> 00:54:55,280 kind of psychological issues, emotional issues through the advent of 913 00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,360 coming forward and being honest to them being told by 914 00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,440 the system that they don't exist. And then of course 915 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,719 I'm turning around and turning it all back on it 916 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,199 on its head. I mean, you know, I think this 917 00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,000 is going to be huge, But I think there is 918 00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:11,400 a lot more, so much more than just the UFO 919 00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,480 and alien hypothesis. I think this is going to lead 920 00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:17,199 us into areas that will remind us we're dealing with 921 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,039 something far deeper and more structured, and it's not just 922 00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:23,679 an isolated event. It's been here for a very long time. 923 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's unlikely that they're going to turn 924 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,920 around towards the government's going to turn around to as 925 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,599 any time soon and say, well, actually, what we've been 926 00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:35,320 telling you for the last two thousand years, and what 927 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,440 religion has been telling you for the last two thousand 928 00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:39,679 years is actually is actually wrong. 929 00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:41,119 Speaker 4: That's right, You've got it. 930 00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's I think it's highly unlikely because 931 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,039 there will be just a mass panic. But I don't 932 00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:50,480 think people will be able to deal with, you know, 933 00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:55,360 the revelation that we are not alone in the universe. 934 00:55:55,199 --> 00:55:57,440 Speaker 4: And also of the fact, if I just put in 935 00:55:57,519 --> 00:56:00,599 here very quickly that you know, oh, yes, we're dealing 936 00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:03,440 with physical crafts. Well, yes, they've they've been known to crash, 937 00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:05,719 but in a lot of cases, and the cases that 938 00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,559 I know and with some researchers, is that when they've 939 00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:11,800 done a report and analysis of the materials, there's a 940 00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,960 lot of earth materials in there, but also something else 941 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,599 that's very strange, and it could be possible that these 942 00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:20,519 forces are building themselves up into our reality. That means 943 00:56:20,519 --> 00:56:23,000 to say that they are creating a composite of what 944 00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,119 this earth is to build themselves here and a little 945 00:56:26,159 --> 00:56:29,519 bit of themselves. So I'm not disputing that. I believe 946 00:56:29,519 --> 00:56:31,639 they have bodies on ice. I believe that they have 947 00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,599 the hardware material that they can't work out or so 948 00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:38,360 we assume. That's another area of contemplation in terms of 949 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,960 back engineer technology. I'm not going down that road. I'm 950 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,199 open to it, but that just confuses the issue even more. 951 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:49,599 Speaker 3: Reverse engineering is a whole whole question itself. Well, we've 952 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,960 had I really don't know where to start with all 953 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:58,039 that feeling, because a massive amount to take in there 954 00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:01,159 and to digest, and you know, the whole subject to 955 00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:08,280 me is incredibly interesting, Yes, incredibly perplexing. I think you've 956 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,039 explained a lot of it so eloquently. I think it's 957 00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,320 hopefully I know that I'm going to go away and 958 00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:16,920 do a lot of thinking about this. I hope that 959 00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:21,000 people who listen to the podcast will as well. Just again, 960 00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:25,880 very quickly, remind me about terrestrial trespassers briefly, what's in 961 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:26,239 the book? 962 00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:29,920 Speaker 4: Yes, the book en Campus is not just my nineteen 963 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,079 eighty nine event. Again, I wanted to really captivate the 964 00:57:33,159 --> 00:57:36,559 rawness of the experience, but it also looks at areas 965 00:57:36,679 --> 00:57:42,280 of abduction of places of high strangeness, and also categorically 966 00:57:42,599 --> 00:57:45,519 trying to formulate several hypotheses with regards to what we 967 00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:48,639 may be dealing with, and also bringing into the ancient 968 00:57:48,679 --> 00:57:51,639 alien hypothesis, but with a difference and how the grades 969 00:57:51,639 --> 00:57:55,519 are able to infiltrate our plane of reality and secrete 970 00:57:55,559 --> 00:57:59,400 themselves within not only our consciousness but also within our world. 971 00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:03,000 So that is, in a nutshell, what the book is about. 972 00:58:03,639 --> 00:58:07,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, andre's the book available? Is it available on the 973 00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,360 usual places Amazon and so on? 974 00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,599 Speaker 4: Yes? Yes, I mean my other books are out of 975 00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:15,039 print that were published by other publishers were through contract, 976 00:58:15,079 --> 00:58:17,840 and well all books are published through contract. The book 977 00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,920 is available on Amazon from Philip Mantle's Flang Dispress. It's 978 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:25,639 available as hardback, paperback, Kendall and audio as well. So 979 00:58:26,239 --> 00:58:29,119 and that's that's out there at the moment. 980 00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:32,519 Speaker 3: Who reads who is the audio? Is it you good self? 981 00:58:32,639 --> 00:58:36,719 Speaker 4: Or oh no, no, no, there is I mean I 982 00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,360 I know that, like with most of us, I've been 983 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,760 joked that. You know, people say, well, you can talk, 984 00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,079 but I hope that you know. What I talk about 985 00:58:44,159 --> 00:58:48,400 is kind of like sensible stuff and trying, and I'm 986 00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,400 no wiser to any of it. But the audio version 987 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:58,400 itself was done by Russ Williams, a narrator called Russ Williams, 988 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,920 so he is the narrator, got a lovely voice. But 989 00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,000 I don't think that I would do the book any 990 00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:05,760 justice with me talking about my own things. I'd rather 991 00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,599 someone else talk about it high behind the wall somewhere 992 00:59:08,599 --> 00:59:13,079 all a SETI But yeah, the books are available there, 993 00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,800 and I'm very honored, very grateful, very touched by not 994 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,800 just the publication of the books or the work or 995 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,480 the research, but also with all of the other great 996 00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:25,000 minds within the world that we're connected with trying to 997 00:59:25,079 --> 00:59:27,440 fatherm out what it is, and you will find I'll 998 00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,559 just say here that when you start dealing with the 999 00:59:29,559 --> 00:59:33,360 elements of the ufou AP phenomena, it will lead you 1000 00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,519 down other areas. You will not be contained within one 1001 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:41,000 mainframe of the subject, unless, of course, you are blessed 1002 00:59:41,039 --> 00:59:43,800 be to you the nuts and bolts person who wants 1003 00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,320 to see it that way, which is nothing wrong with 1004 00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,199 that at all, because you know, there seems to be 1005 00:59:47,199 --> 00:59:49,679 a composite of two aspects to it. That's what we're 1006 00:59:49,679 --> 00:59:50,360 looking into. 1007 00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,199 Speaker 3: And do you want to give you your own podcast 1008 00:59:53,239 --> 00:59:53,679 the plug. 1009 00:59:54,719 --> 00:59:58,119 Speaker 4: Yes, it's Twin Souls Past the poan normal UK radio network. 1010 00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:01,760 And we also have my when I say we, my 1011 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,519 twin brother and I my identical twin brother, and I 1012 01:00:03,559 --> 01:00:06,440 have a website which is www dot the Canseeller Twins 1013 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,360 dot com. And I have mine, which is the Psychic One, 1014 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:14,639 which is www dot Philipkinseller dot com. So quite quite simple. 1015 01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, excellent, Thank you, well, thanks for coming on, Philip. 1016 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,760 It's been it's been an absolute pleasure, as I say, 1017 01:00:21,679 --> 01:00:26,719 an awful lot to think about. I do apologize, no, 1018 01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:31,159 I've found it extremely interesting. I must admit it's been 1019 01:00:31,159 --> 01:00:33,079 great to talk to you. Thank you for coming on, Philip, 1020 01:00:33,159 --> 01:00:36,239 and we'll hopefully speak again soon and take care. 1021 01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,719 Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Thank you very much. Craig, it's 1022 01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,079 an honor, Thank you very much. 1023 01:00:40,239 --> 01:00:40,760 Speaker 3: Thank you. 1024 01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,719 Speaker 1: You can visit my website at www dot Craig Brownt 1025 01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:49,000 dot co dot uk. Paranormal Pendle will return and remember 1026 01:00:49,360 --> 01:01:05,800 to keep watching the shadows, then 1027 01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:12,400 Speaker 2: The