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<v Speaker 1>You see, something's going to happen. What's going to happen?

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<v Speaker 1>What help? Welcome to the Occult Rejects. Tonight on the

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<v Speaker 1>Occult Rejects, we welcome viv Scarlet star and occult practitioner,

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<v Speaker 1>esoteric voice and creator whose work touches shadow work, ritual symbolism,

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<v Speaker 1>and the deeper currents of spiritual transformation. We're getting into

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<v Speaker 1>her path, her philosophy, the meaning behind you, what that

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<v Speaker 1>will and whether Thelema is essential to her work or

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<v Speaker 1>simply one thread and a much larger tapestry. This one

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<v Speaker 1>goes into magic, identity, discipline, and what it really means

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<v Speaker 1>to walk in occult path. But before I introduce her,

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<v Speaker 1>I would also like to make a few announcements. On Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>April twenty fifth, the Southeastern Masonic Symposium is happening at

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<v Speaker 1>Asheville Masonic Temple at eighty Broadway Street in Asheville, North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>I will be there in person, so come on down

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<v Speaker 1>and meet me and the rest of the crew and

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<v Speaker 1>the people that will be speaking there. We will have

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<v Speaker 1>John Michael Greer, he will be there. We got Colin

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<v Speaker 1>konk Wright from American ESO Terek and he's been on

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<v Speaker 1>the show numerous times. We got the man himself, Ike Baker.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure you all know who he is already,

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<v Speaker 1>and we got Tom Carter and so yeah, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>available and you can make it, I will be there.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on down. It will be a blest. And I

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<v Speaker 1>also want to remind people about the website if you're

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<v Speaker 1>into reading, we have tons of information by multiple contributors

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<v Speaker 1>and we got t shirts up on the site if

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<v Speaker 1>you're interested. And fun fact, the art is all based

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<v Speaker 1>on the eyeball. All right, that's enough out of me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I will introduce Viv Viv what is going on?

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<v Speaker 1>How will you please let everybody know anything that you'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to promote? Plug let everybody know what's up.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, thank you so much for having me on here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Viv. I'm a magical practitioner. I've just been getting

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<v Speaker 2>back into I guess what you'd call making content or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you guys want to follow me on Instagram, TikTok, threads,

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<v Speaker 2>it's Viv dot Scarlet Star And starting in the summer,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be making YouTube videos again Scarlet Star

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<v Speaker 2>Synctum and I'm also thinking about making a substack so

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<v Speaker 2>stay tuned for that. I love to write some of

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite and I think it's something I'm good at,

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<v Speaker 2>so I just want to kind of ease into that

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<v Speaker 2>space as well.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. Hopefully in a couple of years we'll have

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<v Speaker 1>you back on for releasing a book or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully, Man, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Have something coming out on Wiser and Llewellen.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a dream of mine for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. Nice. Nice. So you did mention now your

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube You used to do this prior in the past.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, Yes, yes, I did. Yeah, I did YouTube for

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<v Speaker 2>a few years. I stopped for a little bit because

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<v Speaker 2>life just got really crazy. And I'll kind of get

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<v Speaker 2>into that a little bit as I talk about like

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<v Speaker 2>my magical path and stuff like that, because it all

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<v Speaker 2>correlates a little bit. But I do really want to

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<v Speaker 2>get back into it. I miss it a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice. Nice, all right. So I guess, for like the

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<v Speaker 1>listeners for people just meeting you for the first time,

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<v Speaker 1>who is viv and what led you into I guess

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<v Speaker 1>this path or even led you into the occulta magic

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<v Speaker 1>to begin with.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, so there's a lot with that. So I

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<v Speaker 2>would call myself a witch, a pagan magical practitioner and Athelamite.

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<v Speaker 2>My magical work really centers a lot around nature haikat

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<v Speaker 2>as well as a big influence of the Hekatail by

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Brayle, big influence in my practice, and more recently, i've,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of delved into the path of Thelema

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<v Speaker 2>as well and become really interested in that and more

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<v Speaker 2>ceremonial magic stuff. But my experience comes from witchcraft and paganism,

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<v Speaker 2>and I kind of had a stint with demonolotry as

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<v Speaker 2>well for a couple of years as well, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was a part of my practice that I needed at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, but it didn't really stick with me, and

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<v Speaker 2>I ended up kind of delving into filima and how

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<v Speaker 2>I got into this stuff. I was super young. I

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<v Speaker 2>was twelve or thirteen, and I grew up a Christian

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<v Speaker 2>and Muslim. It was kind of a different upbringing from

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<v Speaker 2>most people. My mom was Muslim and I lived with her,

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<v Speaker 2>and at a certain point when I was young, for

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<v Speaker 2>a few years we lived in a village in England

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<v Speaker 2>that didn't have any mosques or anything like that, or

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<v Speaker 2>any Muslims at all, So we ended up going to

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<v Speaker 2>church and I was sort of exposed to that, and

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<v Speaker 2>my dad was an atheist and would kind of have

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<v Speaker 2>these like debates when I was a kid, but he

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<v Speaker 2>always kind of encouraged me to think critically and to question.

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<v Speaker 2>And I started to question organized religion when I was

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<v Speaker 2>about twelve. And then I ended up having a recurring

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<v Speaker 2>dream and I saw in my dream, I was in

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<v Speaker 2>a forest and there was this meadow, and I saw

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<v Speaker 2>this man and just something about him felt divine to me,

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<v Speaker 2>but I couldn't quite place my finger on what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>And the last couple of times that I had the dream,

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<v Speaker 2>he turned into a stag and he just went off

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<v Speaker 2>into the forest. And I had no idea what to

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<v Speaker 2>make of this. The only you know, religious texts that

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<v Speaker 2>I was exposed through were the Bible in the Koran,

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<v Speaker 2>so I thought, this, this is saint? Is this like

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<v Speaker 2>what is going on a prophet? And I ended up

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<v Speaker 2>doing some research and learned about Carnunos Horned God and

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<v Speaker 2>he is still, you know, a god that I worship

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<v Speaker 2>that i'd consider my patron. And I actually got my

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<v Speaker 2>first tattoo in honor of Carnunos. It's a pair of

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<v Speaker 2>antlers of vines and verbena flowers and that was really

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<v Speaker 2>what got me into it, and then I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>started off with Wika and then I kind of segued

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<v Speaker 2>into just calling myself a witch and a pagan and

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<v Speaker 2>that was how it all began.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. What was there, like a specific moment or

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<v Speaker 1>an experience or maybe an encounter. Maybe it was what

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<v Speaker 1>you were just saying now that made occultism real for

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<v Speaker 1>you instead of just like interesting, Like was there a

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<v Speaker 1>moment and you're like, oh, this is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>like my thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, I feel like there's so many of those

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<v Speaker 2>for me, like throughout my path. I think I think

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<v Speaker 2>that recurring dream was sort of just the beginning, but

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<v Speaker 2>I still didn't really know what was going on, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was super young, you know, I was quite sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but I experience it, Yeah, I was. I was just

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<v Speaker 2>a little baby Viv. But I'd had so many experiences

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<v Speaker 2>since then. Just kind of experiencing divinity, I guess has

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<v Speaker 2>been a big thing for me in my work with Hikate,

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<v Speaker 2>just having synchronicities that I couldn't explain otherwise, and things

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<v Speaker 2>that I that other people might call coincidence if they

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<v Speaker 2>weren't in my shoes and just kind of these recurring things.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also, I guess my work with Hikate and

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<v Speaker 2>cardinos and just spirits as well and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Just feeling like I was getting these sort of messages

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<v Speaker 2>that weren't coming from my brain. That was a big

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<v Speaker 2>thing for me, you know. And it's like it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>to explain to other people because then they'll tell you, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're just you're probably yeah, you're just creating,

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<v Speaker 2>or you're actually having these thoughts, but you're telling yourself

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<v Speaker 2>that you're not. But when you know, you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you have those experiences, you know. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>think just all of these experiences combined and then actually

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<v Speaker 2>having spells and rituals work and create tangible changes in

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<v Speaker 2>my life that I can trace directly to what I did,

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<v Speaker 2>that was a huge thing for me as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you said that you seem to have kind

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<v Speaker 1>of I guess got interested more in ceremonial in thelema,

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<v Speaker 1>which I would think thilema, I mean, it's kind of ceremonial.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're going by stuff Crawley suggests you to do,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be very ceremonial. When you first got into

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff, I guess like what kind of what were

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<v Speaker 1>your practices like then, you know, from from the beginner

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<v Speaker 1>up until you got into the LIMA.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've got through a lot of different phases as

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<v Speaker 2>a practitioner. Like I kind of mentioned earlier, I started

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<v Speaker 2>off with Wicca, and not obviously, you know, I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>doing like Gardenerian Wicca at twelve years old, but just

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<v Speaker 2>some of the more basic stuff that people start with

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<v Speaker 2>that would be a little crazy. And then witchcraft and

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<v Speaker 2>paganism i'd say, like kind of eclectic witchcraft for for

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<v Speaker 2>a while and just learning about that and in the

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<v Speaker 2>basics of energy work and spell work and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>bringing about change into your life through you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>in the microcosm and into the macrocosm. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of had a stint with demonolotry for a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years, and that was kind of a thing I

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<v Speaker 2>got interested in. But thinking back now, I think what

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<v Speaker 2>really drew me to demonolotry was the almost like ceremonial

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<v Speaker 2>ish aspect of the rituals. And I was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>into the sort of like what you call left hand

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<v Speaker 2>path current at the time, and so that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that really interested me. And I stuck with

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<v Speaker 2>that for a couple of years. But I think what

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<v Speaker 2>drew me to Phelima was, I don't know, it was

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<v Speaker 2>something that just kind of happened. I knew about Filima.

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<v Speaker 2>I had friends online and you know, like mutuals and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, who Arethelamites. I was exposed to some

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<v Speaker 2>of the ideas, but I didn't really dive into it

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<v Speaker 2>until I became more interested a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I didn't really deeply dive until more recently,

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<v Speaker 2>like a few months ago. But something about the imagery

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<v Speaker 2>really really really just like I don't know, it really

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<v Speaker 2>stuck with me and it drew me in. And I

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<v Speaker 2>can trace that back to my childhood as well, with like,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, the Egyptian stuff. My dad would take me

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<v Speaker 2>that was like just ancient Egypt and it was super immersive.

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<v Speaker 2>There's all this ancient Egyptian stuff and like you could

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<v Speaker 2>like touch stuff, you could look at all this stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would literally spend hours in that little section.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I was also always really interested in like

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<v Speaker 2>Masonic imagery and stuff like that, and yeah, that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of thing, that kind of segued into ceremonial magic and

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<v Speaker 2>felima and that kind of symbolism, and just something about

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<v Speaker 2>the energy and the current drew me in.

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<v Speaker 1>When you were first thinking about I guess like thelema

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<v Speaker 1>getting into it. The reason I'm asking is for some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>a comment that somebody had said to me went through

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<v Speaker 1>my head while you were talking. I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>a Serena Serena Saint Sinclair. I was on her show,

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<v Speaker 1>and she had asked me if I consider myself a Theelamite,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, yeah, I would, and but I forgot.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I said, I'm almost like like it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like embarrassing sometimes to say that. And she had

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<v Speaker 1>said that. I think Mavis had kind of like said

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing, that it's just like the way people

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<v Speaker 1>look at it, you're almost like embarrassed to say that

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<v Speaker 1>you are because of how fucked up people I guess

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<v Speaker 1>just view it. And so like when you I remember,

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<v Speaker 1>even for me before I even't went to like an

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<v Speaker 1>Oto lodge, you know, when I was thinking about going,

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<v Speaker 1>I was just like, if I make this my thing,

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<v Speaker 1>how do I tell people if they have to ask,

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<v Speaker 1>Because you almost feel kind of like did you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that when your friends getting into Selma You're like, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>my friends I do this. I think I'm crazy. I've

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<v Speaker 2>No. Absolutely, I get that so much, and like it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of like I have a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>experience with that with like telling certain people like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a witch and then they're like, but with Felima

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<v Speaker 2>even more so because it's it's so much more niche

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<v Speaker 2>and like people don't know what it is. Uh, And

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<v Speaker 2>I still kind of struggle with that, especially people who

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<v Speaker 2>aren't into like the magical stuff and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and they ask me what I believe in, and I'll

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<v Speaker 2>be completely honest. Sometimes I just say I'm spiritual and

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<v Speaker 2>I leave it at that. Especially living in Texas, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like some people you don't want to, you know, open

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<v Speaker 2>that candle. Worms. Yeah, tough. It's rough because it's like

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<v Speaker 2>people either don't know what it is or they think

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<v Speaker 2>you're great. And there's even people in the magical community

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<v Speaker 2>to who kind of demonize Selima. You know, if you

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<v Speaker 2>say Salima or Crowley, they kind of they don't like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I really think for me, It depends on, like

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know exactly what you mean totally. Oh did

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<v Speaker 1>you ever make it to that library?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you, you check out those notes, you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be you're going to see a total different side.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it Crawley. You're gonna be like, Wow, this

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm excited to go and check that out.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna be like, Yo, his book is just ciphered

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<v Speaker 1>you guys doing the math and everything on the side. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty wild different. You mentioned and I've never actually

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<v Speaker 1>heard of this. What did you say? Demonolotry is something

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<v Speaker 1>to that effect. Can you explain that a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>for the listeners and myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So demonolotry, it's it's a practice, and it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of got a little more popular a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's still kind of niche, and it's basically, rather

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<v Speaker 2>than working with demons in the solemonic magic framework, it's

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<v Speaker 2>more so I don't like to use the term worshiping

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to that, because a lot of like

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<v Speaker 2>left hand path people don't like that term and they

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<v Speaker 2>get a little like like, oh, I don't worship them.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also don't like the term working with even

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<v Speaker 2>though sometimes because that's the only way people you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm utilizing demons right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm utilizing demons. I guess. I guess it's similar to

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<v Speaker 2>like how you would appro which magical work with gods,

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<v Speaker 2>but with demons, and so some people some people love it,

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<v Speaker 2>some people hate it. I think I had pretty good

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<v Speaker 2>results with it, and there's there's books about it. But

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<v Speaker 2>my kind of issue with that is was that I

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<v Speaker 2>did feel like some of the books I read kind

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<v Speaker 2>of claim the super ancient like historical lineage, when I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really feel like that was the case personally. But

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<v Speaker 2>it is interesting and I think it's sort of a

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<v Speaker 2>different way of working with demons, and I had I

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<v Speaker 2>had good experiences with it, and yeah, that's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of all it is.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't you don't have to get specific if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to. I'm just a little bit more interested,

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<v Speaker 1>like how, like, you know, how how is this done?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is there certain maybe demons you can even give

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<v Speaker 1>names of. I'm just like really interested like this whole

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<v Speaker 1>and like, I guess maybe what were you working towards too?

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't want.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely So. A couple of the ones that I

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<v Speaker 2>personally would like work with, for lack of a better term,

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<v Speaker 2>was Bill and Stolus was another one. So Stolenus is

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<v Speaker 2>like all about knowledge and kind of all these kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of things. And rather than like doing solomonic magic, I

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<v Speaker 2>would like cast a circle and there's a certain way

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<v Speaker 2>that you do it where you call upon demons that

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<v Speaker 2>are associated with the different direction, and I would like

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<v Speaker 2>have incenses going for them. I would have candles, I

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<v Speaker 2>would have specific herbs and stuff like that, and I

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<v Speaker 2>would like write my petition or whatever it was, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'd also do like a lot of deep meditation, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of connect with that spirit and that energy, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, at the end, I burned that petition, probably

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<v Speaker 2>leave them an offering of course, and just close that out.

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<v Speaker 2>So pretty basic, but it was I felt like it

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<v Speaker 2>was effective, and I what kind of I felt like

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<v Speaker 2>they were good for my personal development. So that was

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<v Speaker 2>one thing that I did work with them for my

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<v Speaker 2>personal development, and also stuff like bringing in abundance, bringing

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<v Speaker 2>in prosperity. With Stoless, it was more like knowledge and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of facilitating that and like bringing in new opportunities

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<v Speaker 2>for that into my life and success and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I like how you actually like cool the quarters and

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<v Speaker 1>you had like the whole setup. I mean it's that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was getting ceremonial or ritual already, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know exactly, and I think that's part of what really

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<v Speaker 2>drew me to it. So then when I started reading

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<v Speaker 2>more about ceremonial magic and getting more into that, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, this is also kind of what I've been

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<v Speaker 2>looking for. And at that point I was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>moving away from the infernal energies and those kinds of current,

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<v Speaker 2>not because I thought they were suddenly bad or anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that, but I just had different kind of energies

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<v Speaker 2>coming into my life and different things I was drawn to,

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<v Speaker 2>and and kind of Thelema factored into that. And funny enough,

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<v Speaker 2>when I did get into Selima, like after that my

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<v Speaker 2>entire life turned upside down and it was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a rough period, But after that my life just got

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<v Speaker 2>so much better.

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<v Speaker 1>I got into my life turned upside down.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I cropped that all, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I get it though. I get it though. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>I uh. When you were first getting into this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>was there any like certain uh, I guess authors or

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<v Speaker 1>specific people that maybe well, you know, books, teachers or

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<v Speaker 1>traditions that kind of you know, hit you hard, or

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<v Speaker 1>that you know kind of rang with you. You know that

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<v Speaker 1>that you gravitated towards you, like they got something I

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<v Speaker 1>want to hear or you're into.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's a good question. Have I have such a

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<v Speaker 2>big collection. I'm looking at it right now. One that

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned before we started the show was The Heck

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<v Speaker 2>of Town by Jack Rayle. This is like my holy Grail.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. It's my favorite book in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>I bought this from my friend and it's really influenced

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<v Speaker 2>me as a practitioner in my work with Kikat and

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<v Speaker 2>just in the past couple of years since I bought it.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, it's a grimoire that you work through

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<v Speaker 2>and it's very very effective, very intense energies, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with Hikat. But this is one of my favorite ones

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<v Speaker 2>going into Felima. I mean, other than like Curly obviously

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<v Speaker 2>David Shoemaker. I loved his work. Yeah, I read Living Salima.

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<v Speaker 2>I bought Way of the Will. Actually I bought it

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<v Speaker 2>at Atlantis Bookshop in London, and I was so excited

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<v Speaker 2>to go there because it's such a historical place, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm in the same place as Crowley and Gardener

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, it's amazing. And then Matt Orrin's Psychic

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<v Speaker 2>Witch and Mastering Magic. I think those are great books.

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<v Speaker 2>I really enjoyed those. Jason Miller his books, Wow, his.

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<v Speaker 1>Name in a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love who else? Who else? Freighter Ud had

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<v Speaker 2>a couple. Really enjoyed those as well. I mean there's

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<v Speaker 2>just so many. There's so many. I really have to

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<v Speaker 2>like go through my whole collection. Oh, Jason Mankey, I

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy his books more like on the witchcraft side of things,

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<v Speaker 2>and oh man, I have so many.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the uh I guess what was the first? Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>First Crowley book was, oh god, the Book of the Boss.

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<v Speaker 2>I had no idea what's going on? I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>like it was. I thought the prose was beautiful and

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<v Speaker 2>like I did feel you know, I liked reading it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was. I was a little confused. And then

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<v Speaker 2>after that magic and theory and practice and that was

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<v Speaker 2>a little more you know, practical.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you could say, yeah, I totally you totally

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<v Speaker 1>get it. Yeah. I think the Book of the Low

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<v Speaker 1>was my first thing. Everybody in too, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>What the fuck is going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like, like, I mean, it is what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, like when you're reading New Eat and by

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<v Speaker 1>the time you get to the end and you're getting like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Jesus's eyes are getting caloughed out, or like

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck happened? You know? And I even think

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<v Speaker 1>that is all just symbolic anyway. I don't think it's literal, but.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of curs.

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<v Speaker 3>Writing oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So, uh, when you

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<v Speaker 3>describe when you describe yourself as a Thelamite or or

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<v Speaker 3>is Thelema, I mean you kind of answered already it

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<v Speaker 3>was just the Lema one influence among several I think

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<v Speaker 3>you kind of answered this already.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I feel like I'm I'm the kind of person

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<v Speaker 2>who likes to draw from multiple things, multiple sources, and

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<v Speaker 2>my path is definitely very like multifaceted in that way,

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<v Speaker 2>So I think Thelma is a thread in that, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a major thread running through it now

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<v Speaker 2>or it's becoming that. So it's definitely my biggest focus

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<v Speaker 2>right now compared to everything else. So Felima's what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>reading about, Fellina's what I'm studying. You know, the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of rituals I'm learning and doing are kind of part

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<v Speaker 2>of that that current. So it's a thread, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>out a major influence and I think that will only

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<v Speaker 2>grow over time.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you do you happen to do rush?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Yeah, I missed a couple in there, but I

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<v Speaker 2>love it. You know, an interesting thing I've noticed too

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<v Speaker 2>is that I've I crave being in the sun, like

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<v Speaker 2>ever since I started doing it every day, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>that solar energy than I used to because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was very lunar. I mean it was very lunar

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<v Speaker 2>very you know, night moon, and it's kind of changed

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<v Speaker 2>the way I feel a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's interesting. Do you actually go outside to do it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Well, I try to not all of them because

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<v Speaker 2>like sometimes I'm at work or but whenever I can

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<v Speaker 2>I do. That's my favorite way to do it, like

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I think that's actually very key to it, not

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<v Speaker 1>till I get off on like a weird science tangent.

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<v Speaker 1>But like you know, I've noticed in Will somebody else

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<v Speaker 1>actually pointed it out to me, so I can't say

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<v Speaker 1>I figured it out. Lisa who used to be on

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<v Speaker 1>the show. Uh, she was like, you know, into science,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was getting a pH d. She was into

419
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<v Speaker 1>all that stuff. And she had said that if you

420
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<v Speaker 1>were to go look at the sun at all those

421
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<v Speaker 1>times that he has you do these, it would actually

422
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<v Speaker 1>prime your pineal gland to be at like optimal working.

423
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<v Speaker 1>So I'm wondering, like, if you do do that without

424
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<v Speaker 1>even just making I mean this sounds grate for you anyway,

425
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<v Speaker 1>but I'm just wondering, like, does is that actually creating

426
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<v Speaker 1>a difference in feeling too and making you feel better

427
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<v Speaker 1>and all that.

428
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's really fascinating actually how to do outside as

429
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<v Speaker 2>much as possible and see, because that's really interesting to

430
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<v Speaker 2>think about.

431
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<v Speaker 1>I actually do think, believe it or not, I do

432
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<v Speaker 1>think that guy might have been into science and just

433
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<v Speaker 1>didn't put it in plain times.

434
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so. And like even his approach and

435
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<v Speaker 2>then his writings. There's a lot of like healthy skepticism

436
00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:11.160
<v Speaker 2>and scientific method with recording your rituals and recording your

437
00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:16.079
<v Speaker 2>meditation stuff like that. So I think you're on something there.

438
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<v Speaker 1>Did you know did you do the star Ruby or

439
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<v Speaker 1>you know of the Star Ruby?

440
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<v Speaker 2>I would assume, right, well, the Star Ruby, I don't

441
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<v Speaker 2>do it currently, but that's something that is like on

442
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<v Speaker 2>my list.

443
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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, that's I mean, that's a whole other language.

444
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<v Speaker 4>You got to learn to say. Yeah, yeah, it took

445
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<v Speaker 4>me to memorize it. The reason why I brought that

446
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<v Speaker 4>up is that I even and then I'll get off

447
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<v Speaker 4>the whole science thing. But there's a part when you're

448
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<v Speaker 4>acting like you're I guess isis holding horus and breastfeeding

449
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<v Speaker 4>the child and again like it just mean sound crazy,

450
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<v Speaker 4>but it's true when you go to breastfeed the child,

451
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<v Speaker 4>the mother goes to breastfeed the child. I think it

452
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<v Speaker 4>might be in the colossrum that like thin liquid at

453
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<v Speaker 4>the beginning of the milk that actually makes a connection

454
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<v Speaker 4>between the mother and the child's pinilga and it tells

455
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<v Speaker 4>the child like where it is, where it is on

456
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<v Speaker 4>the like the you know, what season it is, what

457
00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:07.200
<v Speaker 4>time it is, where it's located on the earth.

458
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<v Speaker 1>All this weird stuff. So there's actually something transferred. And

459
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<v Speaker 1>I was just like, did he know that? Like, I

460
00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:18.279
<v Speaker 1>don't know. Yeah, I don't know, but may have. I'm

461
00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:20.519
<v Speaker 1>given him too much credit, but I've just thought it

462
00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:22.039
<v Speaker 1>to really wonder with some of this stuff.

463
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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's that's a rabbit hole I'm gonna have to

464
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<v Speaker 2>go down.

465
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<v Speaker 1>Yea, it is. It definitely is. I guess I was

466
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<v Speaker 1>asking to you a little bit about rush. The reason

467
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<v Speaker 1>I even brought that up at first, What does your

468
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<v Speaker 1>what does your practice look like today? Daily? So I'm

469
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<v Speaker 1>assuming rush is part of it daily practice.

470
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<v Speaker 2>That's been a big thing for me to really be

471
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<v Speaker 2>kind of disciplined with. So the morning, I do rash,

472
00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:55.440
<v Speaker 2>I do the LB RP, and I do meditation. I

473
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<v Speaker 2>do like a mindfulness meditation, but I kind of switch

474
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<v Speaker 2>it up sometimes as well visualization and stuff like that,

475
00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:06.039
<v Speaker 2>and I like to pull Tarot card for the day.

476
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:11.160
<v Speaker 2>And I also I make protection oil like this protection

477
00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:14.440
<v Speaker 2>oil like for spiritual protection against that you will and

478
00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:17.480
<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing. Put that on kind of visualize

479
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:20.680
<v Speaker 2>the sphere or protection around me. Just to start my day,

480
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:24.799
<v Speaker 2>and then beyond that I do obviously I do rush

481
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:29.440
<v Speaker 2>like noon and dusk and midnight as well, and that's

482
00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:33.240
<v Speaker 2>kind of the extent of my daily practice. Also writing

483
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:35.759
<v Speaker 2>down my dreams, that's been something I've been doing as well,

484
00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:38.279
<v Speaker 2>and I have noticed a huge difference in how much

485
00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:41.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm able to recall, So that's been good.

486
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was something that I've even noticed, and I

487
00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:45.319
<v Speaker 1>had somebody tell me the same thing, because I was

488
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:47.480
<v Speaker 1>always like, I really don't remember my dreams too much.

489
00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Like start writing it down and you're realized all of

490
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:51.039
<v Speaker 1>a sudden you could start remembering more.

491
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<v Speaker 2>To God, It's true, absolutely, And I actually read something

492
00:27:56.200 --> 00:28:00.319
<v Speaker 2>kind of sciencey about this. Your dreams don't get in

493
00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:02.480
<v Speaker 2>your long term memory. From what I read, your dreams

494
00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:04.599
<v Speaker 2>don't get stored in your long term memory. They get

495
00:28:04.599 --> 00:28:07.839
<v Speaker 2>stored in your short term memory. So you know, when

496
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:10.559
<v Speaker 2>you're in ground sleep and so when you wake up,

497
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:13.359
<v Speaker 2>if you write down the dream and you think about

498
00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:17.240
<v Speaker 2>it immediately, then you kind of store it in your

499
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:19.839
<v Speaker 2>long term memory or or else it disappears. And I

500
00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:22.799
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, that is interesting.

501
00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Now when you said you also, I guess kind of

502
00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:29.880
<v Speaker 1>like visualize like a protective bowl around. You said something

503
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.200
<v Speaker 1>around that. Do you have you ever done the middle

504
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<v Speaker 1>pillar before?

505
00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:37.759
<v Speaker 2>I have, yes, And that's again that's something I want

506
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:41.000
<v Speaker 2>to incorporate into my daily or like switch up from

507
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:45.119
<v Speaker 2>doing the OLBRP as well. Yeah, that's and I love

508
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:49.079
<v Speaker 2>the kind of visualization aspect and the energy where yeah it.

509
00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:54.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when you mentioned visualization and then like meditating and stuff,

510
00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:56.720
<v Speaker 1>that made me think of that because it is a

511
00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:59.240
<v Speaker 1>meditation that if you do it what they're telling you know,

512
00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:02.079
<v Speaker 1>you will stop visualizing things and all this stuff going

513
00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:04.880
<v Speaker 1>around you kind of like a bubble. Yeah. I think

514
00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:07.599
<v Speaker 1>it's a great meditation to visualize stuff too.

515
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<v Speaker 2>I agree. That's a big part of my practice and

516
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:15.960
<v Speaker 2>a big part of what I've been practicing recently as well,

517
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:20.119
<v Speaker 2>and just kind of always Yeah. Absolutely, And I think

518
00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:24.160
<v Speaker 2>it transfers from my witchcraft stuff to my alima stuff

519
00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:27.720
<v Speaker 2>really well as well, because it's just a big overarching thing.

520
00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:30.079
<v Speaker 2>And I think that applies to all magical practice because

521
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:31.799
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day, so much of it

522
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:34.799
<v Speaker 2>is energy work and visualization. Yeah.

523
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<v Speaker 1>No, I think just my opinion, I think when it

524
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:39.920
<v Speaker 1>comes into magic, I do think kind of being able

525
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:42.400
<v Speaker 1>to close your eyes and visualize things or create your

526
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:47.400
<v Speaker 1>own images is very important. That's just my opinion. So

527
00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:49.680
<v Speaker 1>as soon as you said that, I was like, oh, nice,

528
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:51.519
<v Speaker 1>because I was big into that.

529
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's important.

530
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.079
<v Speaker 1>Now I know you're also one thing too that I

531
00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:02.920
<v Speaker 1>wanted to ask. When you do your stuff, if you're

532
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<v Speaker 1>going to do a spell or ritual whatever you call it,

533
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:10.240
<v Speaker 1>do you do you go by like lunar tiny lunar

534
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:12.720
<v Speaker 1>timing or planetary forces or anything like that.

535
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:17.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I do like to do for the lunar timing

536
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:20.839
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that, like waxing, waning moon, full moon,

537
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:24.839
<v Speaker 2>on the dark moon, I do all my hikate stuff,

538
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:31.279
<v Speaker 2>and I'll do meditation and sometimes it's it's intense, but

539
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:34.200
<v Speaker 2>but I love that. Uh. And I do my full moon,

540
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:37.359
<v Speaker 2>my my waxing waning stuff, and then planetary timing. I

541
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.200
<v Speaker 2>like that as well. It's not always practical, you know,

542
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:43.480
<v Speaker 2>if you have a full pall lot, but when you

543
00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:45.880
<v Speaker 2>can it's great. But even just doing something on the

544
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:48.640
<v Speaker 2>day of the week associated with that planet, I like

545
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:50.839
<v Speaker 2>doing that as well. But if I can do it

546
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:54.440
<v Speaker 2>like on the planetary hour, I love that.

547
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:58.279
<v Speaker 1>Nice. See I think I'm not sure, Like you know,

548
00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:01.240
<v Speaker 1>people who are may not be into the stuff that

549
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:04.079
<v Speaker 1>listened to the show. That's more of a thing I've

550
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:05.920
<v Speaker 1>been trying to like ask some of the guests just

551
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>to kind of hammer a point that I don't know

552
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:09.880
<v Speaker 1>if a lot of people realize. Like even the moon,

553
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:12.839
<v Speaker 1>depending on if it's waxing and waning, is also you know,

554
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:15.480
<v Speaker 1>I guess the thing that you work with a deal with.

555
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:20.359
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, absolutely, yeah, waxing when you want to kind

556
00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:24.119
<v Speaker 2>of increase something and bring stuff in and waiting for

557
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:25.279
<v Speaker 2>when you want to shed and.

558
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Release, Yeah, banish or in vogue kind of too.

559
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:34.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, yes, absolutely uh. And I like working with

560
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:37.039
<v Speaker 2>the like I said earlier, dark moon energy with Hikata,

561
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:40.000
<v Speaker 2>I think that's really good for shadow work and for

562
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:45.720
<v Speaker 2>maybe delving into some deep stuff that you might be avoiding,

563
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:50.240
<v Speaker 2>because I definitely have those themes come up. My last one,

564
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:53.480
<v Speaker 2>my last meditation I did with Hikata after leaving her

565
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:56.279
<v Speaker 2>an offering and praying to her and everything on the

566
00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:01.519
<v Speaker 2>Dark Moon, I really ended up confronting my fear of death,

567
00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:05.319
<v Speaker 2>and I had this kind of like looming fear of

568
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:08.440
<v Speaker 2>anxiety for like the next two days. But as I

569
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:12.640
<v Speaker 2>processed it mentally and like worked through it. I kind

570
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:15.160
<v Speaker 2>of became okay with it, and that was really interesting

571
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:18.599
<v Speaker 2>as well. And it coincided with some things in my

572
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:21.480
<v Speaker 2>personal life as well, kind of related to death, so

573
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:24.759
<v Speaker 2>it was it's kind of interesting to see how those

574
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:26.200
<v Speaker 2>things come into play.

575
00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:29.039
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of interesting the whole death aspect. That's a

576
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:35.240
<v Speaker 1>very cool I think that's a lot. I was going

577
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:37.680
<v Speaker 1>to ask, and you kind of just brought it up already.

578
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Now shadow work, What role does shadow work play in

579
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:42.920
<v Speaker 1>your path? Because I know you do speak on that

580
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:44.200
<v Speaker 1>and I know you are into.

581
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:48.680
<v Speaker 2>It, so yeah, I think it's super important. I think

582
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:52.960
<v Speaker 2>that I do think that for you know, people with

583
00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:56.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of heavier trauma and stuff like that, I think

584
00:32:56.519 --> 00:33:00.000
<v Speaker 2>it's good to work with a therapist, like actual professional

585
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:02.920
<v Speaker 2>can guide you through that. I myself have also been

586
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:05.559
<v Speaker 2>to therapy, you know, and I think that's really useful

587
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:08.559
<v Speaker 2>for anybody actually, not just people Trump. I think everybody

588
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:10.680
<v Speaker 2>should do that if they have the means, if they're

589
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:14.880
<v Speaker 2>able to at some point. But shadow I think it's

590
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:20.400
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a great tool for self development and exploration.

591
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:23.440
<v Speaker 2>I think knowing yourself, like know thyself, that is so

592
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:27.119
<v Speaker 2>important as a magical practitioner, as a spiritual person or

593
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:30.680
<v Speaker 2>as a person in general. So I think that it's

594
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:33.759
<v Speaker 2>something that's not it's not easy, but it's something that

595
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:38.720
<v Speaker 2>is important to do, and you know, facing our fears,

596
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:43.920
<v Speaker 2>understanding our flaws for lack of a better word, and

597
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:48.119
<v Speaker 2>understanding the kind of influences from our past that shape

598
00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:50.599
<v Speaker 2>why we do what we do, why we say the

599
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:53.400
<v Speaker 2>things we say, why we treat people in our lives

600
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:56.039
<v Speaker 2>the way that we do treat them, Because every single

601
00:33:56.079 --> 00:34:00.640
<v Speaker 2>one of us has something that you know, affects how

602
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:03.480
<v Speaker 2>we show up for ourselves and for other people. And

603
00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:06.279
<v Speaker 2>so I think through that is so so important and

604
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:08.360
<v Speaker 2>you'll be so much better for it as a person.

605
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:14.079
<v Speaker 1>I totally totally agree. Do you think, like as a

606
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:16.559
<v Speaker 1>magician or a ceremonial magician, do you think that is

607
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:18.880
<v Speaker 1>something that's actually supposed to be incorporated in their work,

608
00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:21.039
<v Speaker 1>is actually shadow work and working on themselves.

609
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so, And I think it can take

610
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:34.199
<v Speaker 2>many different forms, but I think that at least self

611
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:39.159
<v Speaker 2>development in general the form of therapy, but just like

612
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:42.440
<v Speaker 2>delving into your psyche and really understanding yourself, I think

613
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:46.320
<v Speaker 2>for ceremonial magician even is important and I think also

614
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:50.679
<v Speaker 2>like talking about filima, for example, because such a big

615
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:54.639
<v Speaker 2>part of it is our spiritual development. But before we

616
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:58.679
<v Speaker 2>can fully develop spiritually, also have to, like the Maslows

617
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:01.119
<v Speaker 2>hierarchy of needs, you know, we have to kind of

618
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:05.000
<v Speaker 2>take care of ournies as well, and that's a good

619
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:07.519
<v Speaker 2>place for us to start. So I do think, like

620
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:12.119
<v Speaker 2>I personally would say that that's the thing all magicians

621
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:16.639
<v Speaker 2>should do and all magical practitioners because it'll it'll make

622
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:18.719
<v Speaker 2>your magic stronger, it will make you a better person.

623
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<v Speaker 1>And how do you tell? How do you tell? Like

624
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:35.159
<v Speaker 1>I guess maybe the difference between intuition, projection and wishful thinking.

625
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:41.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh wow, that's a good question. It's a difference

626
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:44.320
<v Speaker 2>between intuition projection and wishful thinking.

627
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:48.880
<v Speaker 1>That's a tough one, even thinking like if I were

628
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<v Speaker 1>to answer that, I'm like, fuck, that's a tough question.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even always tell the difference. I'm like, do

631
00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:58.159
<v Speaker 2>they hate me? Or is my intuition telling me something?

632
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<v Speaker 2>But that that is a really good question, and I

633
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<v Speaker 2>don't know if I can give the best answer to

634
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<v Speaker 2>that without thinking on it first, you know, But I

635
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<v Speaker 2>do think that I think part of that is also

636
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:22.000
<v Speaker 2>like going back to shadow work. I think understanding our

637
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:27.400
<v Speaker 2>own tendencies and our own insecurities can help with that, because,

638
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<v Speaker 2>for example, if you have certain insecurities that make you

639
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:34.679
<v Speaker 2>automatically think, oh, this person hates me, and you do

640
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:38.000
<v Speaker 2>some introspection and thinking on that, and you kind of understand, oh,

641
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:41.920
<v Speaker 2>this is something that I tell myself because maybe as

642
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:45.239
<v Speaker 2>a child I was ostracized a lot in school or

643
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:48.760
<v Speaker 2>something like that, and you can kind of stop projecting

644
00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:51.440
<v Speaker 2>that on other people and kind of understand, oh, that's

645
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:55.039
<v Speaker 2>not my intuition telling me that. That's me projecting my

646
00:36:55.199 --> 00:37:00.320
<v Speaker 2>past experiences onto other people who don't hate me. So

647
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:03.280
<v Speaker 2>I think I think that's a big part of it,

648
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:06.559
<v Speaker 2>is kind of understanding yourself and kind of what's going

649
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<v Speaker 2>on up here.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I think it was Actually you answered that really good.

651
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<v Speaker 1>Actually I totally know what you were getting. I would

652
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<v Speaker 1>even say sometimes I think like, uh, like sometimes like

653
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:20.440
<v Speaker 1>for myself, i'd even catch it like that's just my

654
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:24.920
<v Speaker 1>ego trying to preserve some shit. Yeah, And sometimes I think,

655
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:27.000
<v Speaker 1>like we were talking about before, I guess kind of

656
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:32.159
<v Speaker 1>like like a thing popping into your head. I thought, uh,

657
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:34.440
<v Speaker 1>sometimes like when I would get those, like some random

658
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:36.679
<v Speaker 1>thought that would pop into my head. I'd be like, oh,

659
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:40.280
<v Speaker 1>maybe that I should listen to, you know, because it

660
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:42.320
<v Speaker 1>always seems to be like one of the more honest ones,

661
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:44.119
<v Speaker 1>Like I wasn't trying to mind fuck myself and give

662
00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:46.800
<v Speaker 1>myself an answer. I wanted to hear, you.

663
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Know, absolutely like over time that discernment gets.

664
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:55.159
<v Speaker 1>Better too, Yes, yes, yes, nice. Nice. Have you ever

665
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:59.400
<v Speaker 1>had an experience that you couldn't, like really rationally explain

666
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:00.840
<v Speaker 1>that kind of your worldview?

667
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:11.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've had that happen before. I don't know what

668
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:16.480
<v Speaker 2>this experience changed my worldview, because I already believe in spirits,

669
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:19.360
<v Speaker 2>the spirit world and stuff like that. But I did

670
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:22.840
<v Speaker 2>have kind of a spooky experience I like to tell

671
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:25.599
<v Speaker 2>people about and that I could not rationalize at all.

672
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:31.239
<v Speaker 2>So quick story time. I was with my dad and

673
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<v Speaker 2>as you guys can probably tell by now, me and

674
00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:34.480
<v Speaker 2>my dad are closed because I brought him up a

675
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:37.079
<v Speaker 2>few times. But I visited him in England, or I

676
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:40.199
<v Speaker 2>tried to, like every year or so. And one year

677
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:43.960
<v Speaker 2>we were at Abury for the summer solstice and there's

678
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<v Speaker 2>a stone circle there, Apriy stone Circle, but they have

679
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:49.400
<v Speaker 2>like the summer Solstice festival, so we went to that

680
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:51.280
<v Speaker 2>the night before and then the day of we're just

681
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:54.800
<v Speaker 2>like exploring. April's is the day of the solstice, and

682
00:38:54.960 --> 00:39:00.639
<v Speaker 2>we ended up going to this neolithic barrier too, and

683
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:05.159
<v Speaker 2>we like, on our way there, there's this like big

684
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:08.280
<v Speaker 2>flock of curls like flying above us. No big deal,

685
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:11.960
<v Speaker 2>whatever happens, and then we walk into the tomb and

686
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:15.079
<v Speaker 2>the first thing and there's like these little rooms, I

687
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:18.400
<v Speaker 2>guess you would say, like I don't know, little sections.

688
00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:21.000
<v Speaker 2>And the first thing I noticed was that there were

689
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:24.679
<v Speaker 2>birds nesting there, and they were behaving very strangely, not

690
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:29.199
<v Speaker 2>like any normal bird out in the wild. You could

691
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:30.840
<v Speaker 2>walk up to them and they would just stare at

692
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:32.360
<v Speaker 2>you like they were alive. But they would just stare

693
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:36.039
<v Speaker 2>at you and just look at you like they were

694
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:38.800
<v Speaker 2>scared of you. They didn't fly away, nothing like that,

695
00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:41.280
<v Speaker 2>and almost like they were in the days. It was

696
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:43.119
<v Speaker 2>really weird. I don't know if there's some kind of

697
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:47.119
<v Speaker 2>scientific reason for this, but it was very odd. And

698
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:50.320
<v Speaker 2>then me and my dad walked further into the tomb

699
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:54.679
<v Speaker 2>and like I was stone called stone cold, sober mind you,

700
00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:56.360
<v Speaker 2>no drugs, no alcohol.

701
00:39:56.679 --> 00:39:57.000
<v Speaker 4>And.

702
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:01.920
<v Speaker 2>I started feeling woozy and just seeing these like purple

703
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:10.440
<v Speaker 2>kaleidoscopic shapes. I did not take shrooms, so nothing. And

704
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:13.440
<v Speaker 2>later on my dad told me he saw a woman,

705
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:16.599
<v Speaker 2>like a figure of a woman crying, like on the

706
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:20.920
<v Speaker 2>QVE floor. And he's like a skeptic too. He's not like,

707
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:24.079
<v Speaker 2>oh ghosts like he's he's he's a skeptic, like I

708
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:26.280
<v Speaker 2>said earlier, like growing up he was an atheist. He's

709
00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:29.559
<v Speaker 2>kind of more agnostic now. And I just had the

710
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:31.000
<v Speaker 2>feeling that we have to get out of there, but

711
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:34.280
<v Speaker 2>I also felt like there's I just remember thinking this

712
00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:36.239
<v Speaker 2>is some kind of like pootal to the other world

713
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:39.960
<v Speaker 2>or something like that. And we ended up leaving and

714
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:43.880
<v Speaker 2>we were like booking it to our airbnb and just

715
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:46.760
<v Speaker 2>like running through these cornfields and our airbnb was on

716
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:48.599
<v Speaker 2>a farm, and this is kind of a funny part.

717
00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:50.679
<v Speaker 2>As soon as we like got onto the property, these

718
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:54.559
<v Speaker 2>floodlights came on and we were like screaming because we

719
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:56.679
<v Speaker 2>were sold. Here was like an episode of Scooby Doo.

720
00:40:57.159 --> 00:40:59.039
<v Speaker 2>And then we like ran up to our airbnb and

721
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:02.760
<v Speaker 2>we went inside, but more weird shit happened. The light

722
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:05.719
<v Speaker 2>started flickering like in the living room and it wasn't

723
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:08.400
<v Speaker 2>doing that the night before. And then the weirdest thing

724
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:10.440
<v Speaker 2>that happened that night was I went to take a

725
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:12.679
<v Speaker 2>shower and I wasn't in the shower yet, the shower

726
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:16.880
<v Speaker 2>was off, and the shower had like turned on by itself,

727
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:20.320
<v Speaker 2>and I was just like freaked out. And then he

728
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:23.000
<v Speaker 2>saw the light on the TV flickering all night and

729
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:26.119
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't doing that the night before. So that to

730
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:31.199
<v Speaker 2>me just like solidified my belief in spirits in the

731
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:35.639
<v Speaker 2>spirit world. Because my dad, who was a skeptic, and

732
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:40.280
<v Speaker 2>I both had this crazy paranormal experience on the solstice

733
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:43.039
<v Speaker 2>and neither of us could rationalize it, neither of us

734
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:47.280
<v Speaker 2>could explain it away, and it was insane. It was.

735
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:50.599
<v Speaker 2>That was my craziest paranormal experience to date.

736
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:53.559
<v Speaker 1>That is, that was pretty wild, especially I mean the

737
00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:55.760
<v Speaker 1>fact you have all the confirmation somebody else was there

738
00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:57.280
<v Speaker 1>and saw the shit, you know that it.

739
00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:01.159
<v Speaker 2>Was real exactly, and a skeptic take at that it

740
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:05.199
<v Speaker 2>was it was insane. Wow, Yeah, it was. It was scary.

741
00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:11.320
<v Speaker 2>It's funny telling it now, but yeah, we were booking it.

742
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:23.320
<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. When what do you think what mistakes do

743
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:25.280
<v Speaker 1>you think people make when they rush into magic or

744
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:26.519
<v Speaker 1>esoteric practices.

745
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:33.079
<v Speaker 2>If you've noticed, Oh, that's another good question. I think

746
00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:37.840
<v Speaker 2>that people first getting into magic, I think a lot

747
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.800
<v Speaker 2>of people are really excited to get into the flashy

748
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:45.079
<v Speaker 2>stuff and the cool stuff. Totally understandable, like we've all

749
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:48.480
<v Speaker 2>been there, like when you start obviously when I get

750
00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:51.880
<v Speaker 2>into the cool ship. But I think that it's really

751
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:55.079
<v Speaker 2>important to also ground yourself and remember, like I need

752
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:58.480
<v Speaker 2>to learn meditation. We're talking about visualization earlier. I need

753
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:01.719
<v Speaker 2>to learn visualization, and I need to learn how to

754
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:05.599
<v Speaker 2>ground myself. How do I keep myself centered? How do

755
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:10.440
<v Speaker 2>I you know, like just these little not little, they're

756
00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:12.320
<v Speaker 2>not little at all, but just these kind of basic

757
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:17.079
<v Speaker 2>foundational things like starting with that, I think that's important.

758
00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:23.880
<v Speaker 2>I think I think another thing is like boxing yourself

759
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:25.960
<v Speaker 2>into early. I think that's the thing that a lot

760
00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:27.320
<v Speaker 2>of people do. I know this is a lot in

761
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:30.280
<v Speaker 2>like the witchcraft community for sure, especially with I mean

762
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:32.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm a younger person, but especially with younger people with

763
00:43:33.960 --> 00:43:37.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm this type of witch, like I'm I don't know,

764
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:40.000
<v Speaker 2>a green witch or whatever. I think that peoples are

765
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:43.599
<v Speaker 2>generally useless, at least at the beginning of your practice,

766
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:45.840
<v Speaker 2>because I think that you really need to take the

767
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:49.159
<v Speaker 2>time to learn everything you can about the path that

768
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:52.840
<v Speaker 2>you're getting into and take the time to figure out

769
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:55.840
<v Speaker 2>what you like and what works for you, and you know,

770
00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:58.360
<v Speaker 2>don't live in yourself at the beginning of your of

771
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:00.639
<v Speaker 2>your path. I think that's a big kind of thing

772
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:05.760
<v Speaker 2>people run into. Those are the two big ones for

773
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:10.880
<v Speaker 2>me that I'm thinking of right now. But yeah, I think,

774
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:14.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, in general, like starting out not limiting yourself,

775
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:19.159
<v Speaker 2>starting with those basics and building a strong base of knowledge.

776
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:22.519
<v Speaker 2>Like the Internet is very useful, I think for exposure

777
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:26.480
<v Speaker 2>to ideas initially, but I don't think people should rely

778
00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:32.480
<v Speaker 2>on social media for magical advice. Like I see people

779
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:35.880
<v Speaker 2>asking on TikTok like what should I do for this

780
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of ritual? Or like should I practice this? And

781
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:42.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, why are you asking these people on TikTok,

782
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:46.039
<v Speaker 2>because then half the comments are misinformation, like people who

783
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:51.079
<v Speaker 2>don't know what they're talking about. Much better to go

784
00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:55.800
<v Speaker 2>straight to the source and read books or you know,

785
00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:59.920
<v Speaker 2>if you can, like talk to more experienced practitioners in person,

786
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:03.800
<v Speaker 2>or you know, message somebody, or I don't know, join

787
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:09.480
<v Speaker 2>join an academic group or order or just just something

788
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:10.760
<v Speaker 2>like that or take a course.

789
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:11.280
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

790
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Is that something you've noticed more nowadays? Is academia kind

791
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:17.320
<v Speaker 1>of coming into the circle.

792
00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Like academa coming more.

793
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:25.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, into into magic and you know, orders because

794
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:25.760
<v Speaker 1>I think I have.

795
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:31.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't know, because I think that like

796
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:34.199
<v Speaker 2>me personally, I don't know if I've been around like

797
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:39.880
<v Speaker 2>long enough for there to be a comparison to the past,

798
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:44.440
<v Speaker 2>like with my time in I guess magical community, or

799
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:47.480
<v Speaker 2>because I did spend a good bit of the beginning

800
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:50.199
<v Speaker 2>of my practice just not on social media at all

801
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:55.480
<v Speaker 2>or or in person communities either, And so coming into this,

802
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:57.960
<v Speaker 2>I've kind of it's kind of always been like that

803
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:02.480
<v Speaker 2>for me. But I think also so with academia being

804
00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:05.719
<v Speaker 2>more in these circles, there's also that opposite end where

805
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:09.280
<v Speaker 2>there's kind of anti intellectualisms for people too in our

806
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:12.920
<v Speaker 2>society in general. I think that extends out as well,

807
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:16.599
<v Speaker 2>but I think that's less so in like ceremonial magic

808
00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:20.800
<v Speaker 2>and occult spaces, and more so in maybe some more

809
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:26.280
<v Speaker 2>new ag areas and more some of the witchcraft community

810
00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:27.239
<v Speaker 2>in paying.

811
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:32.480
<v Speaker 1>A community as well, I think, or maybe I've just

812
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:34.880
<v Speaker 1>come across more people that are into it since podcasting,

813
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:37.599
<v Speaker 1>But for me, it seems like I think that it

814
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:40.239
<v Speaker 1>tends to get a little bit more. I think looked

815
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:42.880
<v Speaker 1>at I try to come across from that angle too,

816
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:44.760
<v Speaker 1>So I guess if people listening to my show, they

817
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:45.519
<v Speaker 1>must be into it.

818
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:52.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think the occult stuff and like the occult

819
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:56.239
<v Speaker 2>community and more like western naso terrorism. I definitely noticed that,

820
00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:59.199
<v Speaker 2>and I love that. I think it's I think that's great.

821
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:03.039
<v Speaker 1>You know something I meant to ask you earlier. Yeah,

822
00:47:03.039 --> 00:47:05.199
<v Speaker 1>I would say that this is Exactadeemi. Well, I guess maybe

823
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:06.599
<v Speaker 1>if you wanted to do it correctly, it would be

824
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:09.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot of research. When you mentioned that you didn't

825
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:12.199
<v Speaker 1>get into Solomonica, I guess, like you mean kind of

826
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:15.519
<v Speaker 1>like the Geisha was part of not doing that because

827
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:17.480
<v Speaker 1>of the whole setup and how much shit you had

828
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:19.920
<v Speaker 1>to get into like that, if you want to do

829
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:23.039
<v Speaker 1>it supposedly, right. I mean, I was never really too

830
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:25.679
<v Speaker 1>tempted to really work with demons, but when I even

831
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:27.840
<v Speaker 1>looked at the Goaysia, I was like, I'm not this

832
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:28.480
<v Speaker 1>is too far.

833
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:35.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I I'm a normal person. In the twenty

834
00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:39.320
<v Speaker 2>first century, like I don't want to do all that.

835
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:42.480
<v Speaker 2>I think that was part of it. And then part

836
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<v Speaker 2>of it too for me was like wanting to get

837
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:48.639
<v Speaker 2>away from Abrahamic influence. I guess yeah, no.

838
00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:50.280
<v Speaker 1>I could see that. Yeah, it makes.

839
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:53.199
<v Speaker 2>Sense, but that was a part of it as well,

840
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:57.960
<v Speaker 2>because it's just so much and it's very specific, like

841
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:02.960
<v Speaker 2>the setup, the the tools, all of that. I found

842
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:06.199
<v Speaker 2>it interesting though, but I think for me was kind

843
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:09.840
<v Speaker 2>of the Abrahamic or the kind of Christian thing.

844
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Was it for me? You got a lot of garb

845
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:14.239
<v Speaker 1>and then you gotta put like, you know, the sigil.

846
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:16.079
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of work in that, and then we're

847
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:17.039
<v Speaker 1>working with that stuff.

848
00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Crazy.

849
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:27.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, for sure, for sure. Just random question only

850
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:30.079
<v Speaker 1>because I don't even know what I forgot. I already forgo,

851
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:32.920
<v Speaker 1>already lost my thought. I was gonna ask you something

852
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:38.360
<v Speaker 1>about World War two. Yeah, I had something to do

853
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:40.280
<v Speaker 1>with the cult is to go into that, but I

854
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:44.360
<v Speaker 1>just totally forgot. Sorry.

855
00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm no expert on World War two, bro.

856
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:48.719
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna ask you if you thought it was

857
00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:50.519
<v Speaker 1>like maybe a cult and a cult war, but I

858
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:53.000
<v Speaker 1>totally forgot why I was going to even say that.

859
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:54.039
<v Speaker 1>So it doesn't even matter.

860
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just a while ago about like, which isn't a

861
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:04.760
<v Speaker 2>coltists doing magic against the Nazis like in World War two.

862
00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:08.559
<v Speaker 2>I can't say I'm like super like, I know that happened,

863
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:11.039
<v Speaker 2>but I can't say I'm like super well first on

864
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:14.800
<v Speaker 2>that history. But you know when people say, like fighting

865
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:18.559
<v Speaker 2>fascism with magic is like some new thing that that's

866
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:21.679
<v Speaker 2>like trending ar or whatever that people are doing. Absolutely,

867
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I.

868
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:25.639
<v Speaker 1>Mean Hitler was actually using magic. No, I think the

869
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:31.679
<v Speaker 1>whole actually magic. Well yeah, yeah, yeah, I just wish

870
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:34.519
<v Speaker 1>I could remember why. Oh, this is why. That's why

871
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:38.199
<v Speaker 1>if you're just wondering if you did believe that, Because

872
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:40.920
<v Speaker 1>prior to the war, I found this interesting, Like when

873
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:43.199
<v Speaker 1>Italy was kind of like starting to pull their shit too,

874
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:47.199
<v Speaker 1>they went over and uh invaded Ethiopia and they took

875
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:50.159
<v Speaker 1>an Obelisk, and they took the Lion of Judah. And

876
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:53.119
<v Speaker 1>at that time when they did that, the ruler of

877
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Ethiopia actually was deemed as somebody who had the bloodline

878
00:49:56.519 --> 00:50:00.000
<v Speaker 1>from the Salomonic family. So I found that like really interesting.

879
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:01.880
<v Speaker 1>There was actually even a country up you know, up

880
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:04.199
<v Speaker 1>until I guess what was that in the thirties. Oh,

881
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:08.360
<v Speaker 1>whenever it ended actually ruled because the ruler was supposedly

882
00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:12.400
<v Speaker 1>had you know, it was the badline of the solemn moony. Yeah,

883
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:15.440
<v Speaker 1>it's really weird that actually were like, I don't know,

884
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:18.599
<v Speaker 1>it's just like, you know, it's interesting to see what

885
00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:21.719
<v Speaker 1>countries of people acknowledge this stuff outside the United States

886
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:22.119
<v Speaker 1>as well.

887
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:26.599
<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely, yeah that's something I was like, that's another

888
00:50:26.679 --> 00:50:28.599
<v Speaker 2>rabbit hole from sure for sure.

889
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:34.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, let me see what other what

890
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:38.960
<v Speaker 1>how do you ground yourself? Like, how do you keep

891
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:42.840
<v Speaker 1>yourself grounded while exploring you know, kind of intense spiritual stuff.

892
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Keeping myself grounded, that's that's really important to me. Having

893
00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:53.119
<v Speaker 2>people in my life that keep me grounded is really helpful,

894
00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:58.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, my boyfriend, my friends, like all those kinds

895
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:02.320
<v Speaker 2>of people, and my start. I think spending time in

896
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:06.960
<v Speaker 2>nature is super super important for me. So I try

897
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:09.239
<v Speaker 2>to spend a few minutes outside every day, even it's

898
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:12.280
<v Speaker 2>just ten minutes, and then like maybe once a week

899
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:14.599
<v Speaker 2>I'll try to have like a walk outside, like a

900
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:18.079
<v Speaker 2>hike or or just a walk out on the trail,

901
00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:21.360
<v Speaker 2>whatever it is that's super important to me. And then

902
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:28.960
<v Speaker 2>also working out lifting. Yes, I do it five days

903
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:32.239
<v Speaker 2>a week. That keeps me grounded and like in my

904
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:35.960
<v Speaker 2>body and just you know, part of the real world too,

905
00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:40.039
<v Speaker 2>not getting overly caught up in one thing or one

906
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:43.920
<v Speaker 2>aspect of life, you know, and just like having different

907
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:47.039
<v Speaker 2>hobbies I think is really important. So I'll read, I

908
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:50.079
<v Speaker 2>won't just read about the occult and spirituality. I'll read

909
00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:53.280
<v Speaker 2>fiction as well, and I'll watch TV shows and do

910
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:56.679
<v Speaker 2>like normal person things, but just try to stay ground

911
00:51:57.039 --> 00:51:58.519
<v Speaker 2>curial as well as the spiritual.

912
00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, I think it's great advice, especially like that

913
00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:04.079
<v Speaker 1>losing yourself completely in that like still you know, being

914
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:06.159
<v Speaker 1>attached to the real world and still like you know,

915
00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:07.119
<v Speaker 1>doing other things.

916
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:11.440
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, like trust me.

917
00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I like, like you mentioned the gym. I mean,

918
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:16.840
<v Speaker 1>I do think for me that is that is huge.

919
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:20.159
<v Speaker 1>It's even a way I guess of probably just getting

920
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:22.280
<v Speaker 1>out aggression or if things are bothering.

921
00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Me, you know, absolutely, And I think and and even

922
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know I was talking about like going

923
00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:31.840
<v Speaker 2>to the gym and getting out of just like doing

924
00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:35.159
<v Speaker 2>spiritual stuff. But I think it's a great way to

925
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:38.159
<v Speaker 2>get your your energy moving too. And I just feel

926
00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:42.639
<v Speaker 2>like moving my body almost every day. Things in my

927
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:45.719
<v Speaker 2>life feel less stuck too, And I just find that interesting,

928
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:48.000
<v Speaker 2>like just that energy moving, you know, I think that's

929
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:50.960
<v Speaker 2>really important. Just moving your body in some way is

930
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:51.760
<v Speaker 2>really important.

931
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:54.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think there's like a phrase I might be

932
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:57.480
<v Speaker 1>saying it backwards move a muscle, change of thought, like

933
00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:01.480
<v Speaker 1>to even say that sometimes have you ever noticed for me,

934
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:05.360
<v Speaker 1>I even think doing the l b r P technically

935
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:07.880
<v Speaker 1>counsel as like a physical meditation, But do you think

936
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:10.480
<v Speaker 1>like sometimes when you're working out, do you notice like

937
00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:12.280
<v Speaker 1>it's almost kind of like a physical meditation?

938
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, absolutely heavy. I have to breathe and just

939
00:53:19.559 --> 00:53:21.480
<v Speaker 2>like really on my breath.

940
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Yes, But.

941
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Like I definitely feel that that aspect of it, And

942
00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:31.599
<v Speaker 2>I've really been thinking about that lately, is like just

943
00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:35.840
<v Speaker 2>thinking about how I can connect the gym and and

944
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:39.280
<v Speaker 2>lifting and like that aspect of my life with my

945
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:42.440
<v Speaker 2>magical practice too, because I definitely feel like there's an

946
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:46.559
<v Speaker 2>energy like you're moving, and there's there's an energy work

947
00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:49.159
<v Speaker 2>aspect that you can tap into with that as well.

948
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:51.320
<v Speaker 2>And then I've been thinking about that, but I haven't

949
00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:53.360
<v Speaker 2>quite fleshed out my ideas on that yet.

950
00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:56.480
<v Speaker 1>I think definitely think you're onto something there for sure,

951
00:53:56.760 --> 00:53:58.360
<v Speaker 1>definitely think that helps matters.

952
00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:01.000
<v Speaker 2>This is life.

953
00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:03.719
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of people I know that are huge

954
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:05.679
<v Speaker 1>into this stuff, and they all have some sort of

955
00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:08.480
<v Speaker 1>like physical way of like keeping their body active or

956
00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:10.880
<v Speaker 1>just moving it, you know, keeping it awake and you

957
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:18.599
<v Speaker 1>know all that stuff. What since getting into this stuff? Uh,

958
00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:22.280
<v Speaker 1>what misconceptions do people project? Have you had? Like people

959
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:24.199
<v Speaker 1>kind of project onto you right away when they when

960
00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:25.960
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned this stuff. Have you ever had a deal

961
00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:27.159
<v Speaker 1>with like silly shit?

962
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:31.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was so much soilichit it's not even funny.

963
00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:36.239
<v Speaker 2>I guess there's stuff from from like lay people, and

964
00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:42.039
<v Speaker 2>there's stuff from other magical or spiritual community people who

965
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:45.840
<v Speaker 2>don't know much about filima and stuff like that. So

966
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:48.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, I guess from lay people. I mean the

967
00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:51.039
<v Speaker 2>first one is like, oh, you must worship the devil

968
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:55.119
<v Speaker 2>like your safeness blah blah blah. I think a lot

969
00:54:55.159 --> 00:54:59.599
<v Speaker 2>of us have probably gotten that. Uh, some people it's

970
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:02.400
<v Speaker 2>worth like laning. To some of them it's not. But

971
00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:04.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, some people are just setting their ways. And

972
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:07.400
<v Speaker 2>there's also people who are who are very you know,

973
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:11.800
<v Speaker 2>extreme Christian who think anything that's not Christianity is double worship,

974
00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:17.039
<v Speaker 2>like Yoga's demonished, and it's like shock the fuck up.

975
00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:22.079
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, you know I've gotten that. I've gotten people

976
00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:28.920
<v Speaker 2>who think that, you know, I practiced witchcraft for cursing people,

977
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:32.559
<v Speaker 2>or that it's like all baneful like bad stuff, And

978
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:36.079
<v Speaker 2>it's like why why would I care enough about you

979
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:39.559
<v Speaker 2>to curse you to put all my energy, to put

980
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:42.880
<v Speaker 2>my energy into doing that, Like you're not that important?

981
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:44.159
<v Speaker 1>Uh?

982
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:48.760
<v Speaker 2>And then I guess with Thelema, A lot of people

983
00:55:48.920 --> 00:55:55.559
<v Speaker 2>have misconceptions about curly, about the Lima as a system,

984
00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:58.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, about like it just being like hedonism and

985
00:55:58.679 --> 00:55:59.920
<v Speaker 2>doing whatever you want.

986
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:08.000
<v Speaker 5>Somebody's getting It's it's so much and the amount of

987
00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:11.519
<v Speaker 5>people ever since I kind of started being more vocal

988
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:13.719
<v Speaker 5>about like Felima and like talking about it, who have

989
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:16.840
<v Speaker 5>used the whole do what that will, like do whatever

990
00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:17.239
<v Speaker 5>you want?

991
00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Argument watch a moment like I've never thought about that before.

992
00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:27.920
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, you know what's funny, Really, anybody that

993
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:30.559
<v Speaker 1>I knew that was serious into this stuff never took

994
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:32.320
<v Speaker 1>that that way anyway.

995
00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:35.679
<v Speaker 2>Exactly exactly. It's all people who don't know what they're

996
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:36.159
<v Speaker 2>talking about it.

997
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:40.159
<v Speaker 1>It's like somebody read a couple of memes on Crowley

998
00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:42.639
<v Speaker 1>or Thelma and then start running their mouths like saying

999
00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:45.119
<v Speaker 1>stupid ship, and it's.

1000
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:48.119
<v Speaker 2>Very obvious that they're just regurgitating what they've heard someone

1001
00:56:48.159 --> 00:56:53.519
<v Speaker 2>else who is ignorant say, so I don't I don't

1002
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:56.639
<v Speaker 2>take that too seriously. And then you know, sometimes I'll

1003
00:56:56.639 --> 00:56:59.079
<v Speaker 2>link them to like one of my little videos or

1004
00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:01.800
<v Speaker 2>something like, Okay, so this is what we'll talk about this.

1005
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:05.800
<v Speaker 2>If you're interested, you can maybe learn something new, and

1006
00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:08.559
<v Speaker 2>if you're not, that's okay, we don't need to continue

1007
00:57:08.559 --> 00:57:12.679
<v Speaker 2>this conversation. But there's a lot of misconceptions out there.

1008
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, you know, when I first started off this podcast,

1009
00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:22.000
<v Speaker 1>I was actually more in the conspiracy community actually, and uh,

1010
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:24.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, there was I'm just gonna be real, there's

1011
00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:26.920
<v Speaker 1>a few podcasts out there that really lean on that

1012
00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:29.159
<v Speaker 1>ship just to shit on the Lemur and Crowley all

1013
00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:32.199
<v Speaker 1>the time. It's always to do with that will. But

1014
00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:34.320
<v Speaker 1>they never finished the rest of it where it says

1015
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:35.920
<v Speaker 1>love is the law, love on.

1016
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:38.079
<v Speaker 2>The will under will.

1017
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Like why are you leaving? You know, there's love in

1018
00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:43.559
<v Speaker 1>this whole phrase, and you seem to just think it

1019
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:44.639
<v Speaker 1>means horrible.

1020
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Shit exactly define like waking a man in the world

1021
00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:53.239
<v Speaker 2>and he was sacrificing babies and all this the stupid shit.

1022
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:58.199
<v Speaker 1>I just I mean, listen to me. The guy could

1023
00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:00.519
<v Speaker 1>have maybe fallen to his own demons at it, you know,

1024
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:03.280
<v Speaker 1>at the end. But I mean, I do think again,

1025
00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:04.920
<v Speaker 1>not putting him up on a pedestal, because he even

1026
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:06.719
<v Speaker 1>said that twice in his own work. Don't do that.

1027
00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:09.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm not the one. I do think he was onto something,

1028
00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:12.679
<v Speaker 1>and I do think he had a glimpse of love

1029
00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:14.960
<v Speaker 1>and beauty at some point.

1030
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:18.079
<v Speaker 2>And I think nuance is so important, and that's something

1031
00:58:18.119 --> 00:58:22.639
<v Speaker 2>that is missing from honestly, maybe even a majority of

1032
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:26.719
<v Speaker 2>the conversations I see online about be it occultism and magic,

1033
00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:30.960
<v Speaker 2>be it politics, be it I don't know, think of

1034
00:58:31.039 --> 00:58:34.320
<v Speaker 2>any kind of any topic of conversation, but I think

1035
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:38.519
<v Speaker 2>nuance is really important and it's something that people need

1036
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:43.199
<v Speaker 2>to lean into more. Because Curly wasn't perfect, and he

1037
00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:47.199
<v Speaker 2>wasn't you know there there. He was a flawed human being.

1038
00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:50.480
<v Speaker 2>But that doesn't mean we just write him off completely

1039
00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:53.519
<v Speaker 2>and just say he's basically satan and like he's the

1040
00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:56.639
<v Speaker 2>worst guy ever, because that's also not true. And I

1041
00:58:56.639 --> 00:59:00.400
<v Speaker 2>think it's really important to have like a balanced active

1042
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:04.320
<v Speaker 2>of people especially historical figures, you know, like they lived

1043
00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:06.440
<v Speaker 2>in a different time and place as well, And I

1044
00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:08.199
<v Speaker 2>think it's important to keep that in mind too.

1045
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:12.440
<v Speaker 1>I agree, we got politicians now they're eating kids.

1046
00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:20.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, let's be outraged over the right things.

1047
00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Please, Yeah, exactly right. That's magic in itself, I think, Actually, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1048
00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:39.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh what what what do people you think romanticize about

1049
00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:40.920
<v Speaker 1>the occult that they really should not?

1050
00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh, things that people romanticize about the occult that they

1051
00:59:49.760 --> 01:00:02.760
<v Speaker 2>should not. That's a good question. I think that maybe

1052
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:09.559
<v Speaker 2>people come into vehicle with expectations of it being something

1053
01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:12.960
<v Speaker 2>it's not, you know, where it's like super flashy like

1054
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:17.320
<v Speaker 2>the movies or or whatever, which is normal because it's

1055
01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:19.760
<v Speaker 2>like if you haven't been exposed to it yet and

1056
01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:22.880
<v Speaker 2>you haven't been in the community and you haven't practiced yet,

1057
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:25.880
<v Speaker 2>that's natural. I think we all kind of probably had

1058
01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:29.199
<v Speaker 2>that coming in. So so I think that's a big thing,

1059
01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:32.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, but like it's not like the movies, and

1060
01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:37.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, don't get disappointed coming into it and it

1061
01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:41.400
<v Speaker 2>like you're still in this on earth, you know, like

1062
01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:44.880
<v Speaker 2>it's not. So I do think that that's a thing

1063
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:46.920
<v Speaker 2>that people do, and I did it and I'm sure

1064
01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:49.039
<v Speaker 2>everyone does it at the beginning of their path.

1065
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with that for sure. I did the

1066
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:54.679
<v Speaker 1>same thing as modious. Isn't going to actually physically appear

1067
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:55.320
<v Speaker 1>in your living.

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01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:58.239
<v Speaker 2>Room, I don't think, right. It's not like the Sandman,

1069
01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:00.199
<v Speaker 2>where like they do the ritual and he just like

1070
01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:02.679
<v Speaker 2>dropped down off the full in front of them, just

1071
01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:06.239
<v Speaker 2>like no, sorry, that would be cool.

1072
01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:11.480
<v Speaker 1>But at least happened in your first month, because I

1073
01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:12.679
<v Speaker 1>think I know what you mean. It Like when I

1074
01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:15.119
<v Speaker 1>came into magic right away, I was, I think kind

1075
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:19.079
<v Speaker 1>of expecting like more, I guess serious stuff at first

1076
01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:21.599
<v Speaker 1>that happened, you know, and then you kind.

1077
01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:25.239
<v Speaker 2>Spirit work and stuff like that. It's like, oh, they're

1078
01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:27.440
<v Speaker 2>definitely just gonna like appear in front of me, Like

1079
01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:31.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna see apparitions. It's gonna be like so cool,

1080
01:01:31.599 --> 01:01:34.039
<v Speaker 2>like Edgar Allan Poe and it was. You know, it's

1081
01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:39.360
<v Speaker 2>not usually how it is. You might see things, but yeah,

1082
01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:45.840
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the time it's just things you that

1083
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:50.960
<v Speaker 2>come into your mind and intuitions and smaller things like that.

1084
01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:53.239
<v Speaker 2>At least in my view.

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01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:56.760
<v Speaker 1>I would even say something that took me a little

1086
01:01:56.800 --> 01:01:59.119
<v Speaker 1>off too, And I think it's stuff that we and

1087
01:01:59.159 --> 01:02:04.039
<v Speaker 1>you both kind of on already, is like the beginner things.

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01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:07.239
<v Speaker 1>I was just like, I got to meditate, you know

1089
01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:09.760
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. I gotta do breath work. I'm supposed

1090
01:02:09.800 --> 01:02:12.119
<v Speaker 1>to visually, you know. And it's just like I don't

1091
01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:14.199
<v Speaker 1>think I really really thought it, Like I just thought

1092
01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:15.519
<v Speaker 1>it was gonna be like, oh, you know, I'm gonna

1093
01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:17.840
<v Speaker 1>start spinning around drawing this ship doing this, and then

1094
01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:20.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm like, fuck, I actually got to put

1095
01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:29.360
<v Speaker 1>some more work in exactly yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:31.119
<v Speaker 1>So no, I do think that was a that's a

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01:02:31.119 --> 01:02:36.280
<v Speaker 1>good Yeah, definitely. It definitely got me like that. I

1098
01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:38.880
<v Speaker 1>got it like maybe like sorry, go ahead, go ahead.

1099
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I said it happens to the best of us.

1100
01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I like that phrase. I say that a lot

1101
01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:49.119
<v Speaker 1>actually happens to the best of us. For somebody drawing

1102
01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:53.920
<v Speaker 1>to occultism but genuinely uh serious about it, where should

1103
01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:57.880
<v Speaker 1>they begin? What's your advice?

1104
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:02.760
<v Speaker 2>A lot depends on like the path that you're drawn

1105
01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:06.440
<v Speaker 2>to as well. But I think as a general thing

1106
01:03:07.159 --> 01:03:12.239
<v Speaker 2>or as a general starting place, I would say, explore

1107
01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:15.519
<v Speaker 2>different paths and see what you're interested in and and

1108
01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:17.800
<v Speaker 2>do a lot of reading. Do as much reading as

1109
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:20.800
<v Speaker 2>you can, just like look at the foundational texts of

1110
01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:26.719
<v Speaker 2>whatever paths you're interested in. You know, if it's witchcraft,

1111
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:29.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean there's so many there's so many witchcraft one

1112
01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:31.960
<v Speaker 2>on one books out there. There's other stuff you can

1113
01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:35.880
<v Speaker 2>look at too. There's like traditional witchcraft, there's WICCA, there's

1114
01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:40.079
<v Speaker 2>different types of WICCA. There's just like eclectic witchcraft that

1115
01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:44.280
<v Speaker 2>you could do. There's folk magic, you know, and then

1116
01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:46.599
<v Speaker 2>like in terms of their magical paths, I mean there's

1117
01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:50.320
<v Speaker 2>ceremonial magic, and then there's like different paths you can

1118
01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:53.400
<v Speaker 2>go within that, and there's just so much stuff that

1119
01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:55.440
<v Speaker 2>you can learn about. So I think starting off with

1120
01:03:55.559 --> 01:04:01.199
<v Speaker 2>that knowledge base is super important and going from there,

1121
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:05.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like we said, meditation, learning, meditation, visualization, just

1122
01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:09.440
<v Speaker 2>like tapping into that spiritual current and then also learning

1123
01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:14.039
<v Speaker 2>to still your mind is super important. And I would

1124
01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:18.119
<v Speaker 2>say make sure you keep a record and write everything

1125
01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:21.639
<v Speaker 2>down because if you don't, you will regret it in

1126
01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:25.360
<v Speaker 2>the future. So keep a record, like write down the

1127
01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:27.840
<v Speaker 2>things you experience, write down the things that you learn

1128
01:04:28.239 --> 01:04:33.239
<v Speaker 2>as best you can, and your practice will shift most

1129
01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:35.960
<v Speaker 2>likely over time. I think that you know some people

1130
01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:38.119
<v Speaker 2>they start with something and they stick with it. But

1131
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:40.760
<v Speaker 2>I feel like that's pretty rare for a lot of us.

1132
01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:43.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we go through kind of different phases and

1133
01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:47.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of end up finding something we're interested in or

1134
01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:50.159
<v Speaker 2>multiple things. Like I think my path is always going

1135
01:04:50.199 --> 01:04:55.199
<v Speaker 2>to be multifaceted with a lot of different influences. And

1136
01:04:56.039 --> 01:05:00.519
<v Speaker 2>don't be afraid to ask questions. I think that especially online.

1137
01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:05.079
<v Speaker 2>Now I'm not saying ask questions on TikTok, but there

1138
01:05:05.079 --> 01:05:08.199
<v Speaker 2>are people you can connect with their communities you can join,

1139
01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:13.400
<v Speaker 2>there's discord servers, there's courses you can take, there's there

1140
01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:16.440
<v Speaker 2>are people's patreons you can join. You know, there's a

1141
01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:18.360
<v Speaker 2>lot of people out there who have a lot of

1142
01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:23.679
<v Speaker 2>knowledge to give, who are actual, reliable sources of information

1143
01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:26.880
<v Speaker 2>and of guidance. So I think those things are are

1144
01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:31.000
<v Speaker 2>super important. And take everything you see on social media

1145
01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:34.440
<v Speaker 2>with the grain of salt, and don't stop reading books.

1146
01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Books are important.

1147
01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, I think you're right about the whole investigating

1148
01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:41.360
<v Speaker 1>and read as much as you can. Like you said

1149
01:05:41.360 --> 01:05:43.920
<v Speaker 1>this so much out there, and I would even say,

1150
01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:46.159
<v Speaker 1>you know how to tell a good in my opinion,

1151
01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:50.400
<v Speaker 1>if you asking somebody their advice how to tell somebody,

1152
01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:53.199
<v Speaker 1>if they're good enough to listen to, they're probably going

1153
01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:55.079
<v Speaker 1>to be like, I'm going to direct you over to

1154
01:05:55.159 --> 01:05:57.679
<v Speaker 1>here to read this. They're not going to give you

1155
01:05:57.719 --> 01:05:59.159
<v Speaker 1>the answer and tell you what it is. They're going

1156
01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:01.079
<v Speaker 1>to tell you where to go to find out more information,

1157
01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:05.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, And uh yeah, and I even, like you

1158
01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:07.519
<v Speaker 1>were saying, with the discord service, there's a there's a

1159
01:06:07.559 --> 01:06:09.519
<v Speaker 1>few people I know out there now with the discord

1160
01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:13.440
<v Speaker 1>service is a plethora of information, regardless of what they're

1161
01:06:13.480 --> 01:06:17.599
<v Speaker 1>into like that, not to Mayvis. You know, I've knew

1162
01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:19.599
<v Speaker 1>a few people that are in her discord server and

1163
01:06:19.639 --> 01:06:22.400
<v Speaker 1>they say, it's just amazing the amount of shit in there.

1164
01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she's eligible and she's I mean, when I

1165
01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:29.760
<v Speaker 2>talk to her, I'm just always amazed because I just

1166
01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:34.320
<v Speaker 2>learned so much and just finding those people, and like

1167
01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:36.639
<v Speaker 2>you said, her discord server, and then you could talk

1168
01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:38.920
<v Speaker 2>to other people who maybe have a little more experience,

1169
01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:41.519
<v Speaker 2>and they can they can help you find those sources

1170
01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:43.679
<v Speaker 2>that you learned from as well.

1171
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:46.960
<v Speaker 1>One day, maybe I'm gonna get you on the show

1172
01:06:47.320 --> 01:06:51.159
<v Speaker 1>one day. I tried, I've tried to reach out to it,

1173
01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:57.360
<v Speaker 1>but I can't get her wrong, But uh yeah, all right. Next,

1174
01:06:57.440 --> 01:07:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I think I have what there's one thing you wish

1175
01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:04.559
<v Speaker 1>people understood about your work before judging it?

1176
01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh ha, There's there's a lot of things with that.

1177
01:07:11.599 --> 01:07:16.920
<v Speaker 2>I think that, especially for people who aren't familiar with

1178
01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:21.480
<v Speaker 2>magic and stuff like that is the assumption that dark

1179
01:07:21.559 --> 01:07:27.159
<v Speaker 2>equals bad, right, Like I work with dark and light.

1180
01:07:27.239 --> 01:07:29.440
<v Speaker 2>I kind of try to have as much of a

1181
01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:32.079
<v Speaker 2>balance as I can. But for example, with my work

1182
01:07:32.079 --> 01:07:33.880
<v Speaker 2>with Hikaate, you know, a lot of people who are

1183
01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:37.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of outside of this fear they see that as

1184
01:07:37.239 --> 01:07:39.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of scary, they see it as weird, or even

1185
01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:42.800
<v Speaker 2>with Carnunos, right, because that you know, the antler is

1186
01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:46.000
<v Speaker 2>the horn god, kind of archetype. People straightway think devil,

1187
01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:51.079
<v Speaker 2>which obviously isn't the case, right. Carnunos is the forest,

1188
01:07:51.519 --> 01:07:55.159
<v Speaker 2>nature and just just all things that are sacred and

1189
01:07:55.159 --> 01:07:57.960
<v Speaker 2>beautiful too, I think all of us deep down, you know.

1190
01:07:59.079 --> 01:08:04.920
<v Speaker 2>And so I want people to understand that dark does

1191
01:08:04.920 --> 01:08:08.920
<v Speaker 2>not necessarily mean evil, and that image of the devil

1192
01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:15.199
<v Speaker 2>that you see portrayed in Christianity demonizes pagan gods of nature.

1193
01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:19.680
<v Speaker 2>And so when you see people worshiping Carnunos, worshiping pan

1194
01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:26.479
<v Speaker 2>it's not devil worship. They're not evil. I mean, that's

1195
01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:28.840
<v Speaker 2>a big thing for me. And the other thing is

1196
01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:35.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of the wu wu assumption that I have like

1197
01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:38.560
<v Speaker 2>my head in the clouds, or I don't believe in science,

1198
01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:42.199
<v Speaker 2>or that I'm somehow less intelligent for being spiritual and

1199
01:08:42.279 --> 01:08:47.119
<v Speaker 2>for believing in magic and for being real whimsical. That's

1200
01:08:47.159 --> 01:08:50.880
<v Speaker 2>not true at all. You know, I believe in science.

1201
01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:54.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm interested in it. I'm also interested in magic, and

1202
01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:58.560
<v Speaker 2>I think that those two things definitely go hand in hand.

1203
01:08:58.680 --> 01:09:04.520
<v Speaker 2>And like actual magical practitioners know this, being anti science

1204
01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:09.079
<v Speaker 2>does not necessarily correlate with believing in magic and being

1205
01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:12.800
<v Speaker 2>a practitioner. And it does bother me that that's a

1206
01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:16.560
<v Speaker 2>misconception that people have because some of the most intelligent

1207
01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:22.920
<v Speaker 2>people I know also practice magic. And yeah, it's it's

1208
01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:26.760
<v Speaker 2>a shame that these misconceptions are still so common.

1209
01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for mentioning that that's even a post out.

1210
01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:33.560
<v Speaker 1>If you've ever seen me do it, sometimes I will

1211
01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:35.159
<v Speaker 1>throw it up every once in a while. It's not

1212
01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:38.960
<v Speaker 1>old dicks and demons like, it's not always like horrible

1213
01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:41.039
<v Speaker 1>bed stuff. There's a lot of magicians out there that

1214
01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:42.760
<v Speaker 1>are actually doing this stuff because they want to be

1215
01:09:42.800 --> 01:09:43.359
<v Speaker 1>a better person.

1216
01:09:44.760 --> 01:09:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, and I would say a good number of people

1217
01:09:50.239 --> 01:09:51.800
<v Speaker 2>get into this stuff that people want to be a

1218
01:09:51.840 --> 01:09:54.000
<v Speaker 2>better person, they want to improve their lives, they want

1219
01:09:54.000 --> 01:09:57.520
<v Speaker 2>to maybe get out of a tough spot, or they

1220
01:09:57.560 --> 01:10:00.399
<v Speaker 2>just find it beautiful and they see how can add

1221
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:04.680
<v Speaker 2>value to their lives. And there's nothing bad or evil

1222
01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:08.359
<v Speaker 2>about that. And obviously there's always there are always going

1223
01:10:08.399 --> 01:10:12.319
<v Speaker 2>to be bad people in every space. There are always

1224
01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:15.279
<v Speaker 2>going to be people who are you know, seeking power

1225
01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:20.760
<v Speaker 2>or seeking whatever. And but that's that's true for any

1226
01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:24.159
<v Speaker 2>space and in or outside of the magical sphere. But

1227
01:10:24.199 --> 01:10:26.000
<v Speaker 2>I think for the most part, people are here to

1228
01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:31.079
<v Speaker 2>grow and to improve and seek spiritual I don't know

1229
01:10:31.119 --> 01:10:34.319
<v Speaker 2>if enlightenment is my word, but spiritual attainment, I guess.

1230
01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:39.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. There's even like times in not saying this to

1231
01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:41.640
<v Speaker 1>pat myself on the back or say I'm better, because

1232
01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:44.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not. But like there's even times like when I

1233
01:10:44.279 --> 01:10:46.439
<v Speaker 1>had my when I was you know, heavy into my practices.

1234
01:10:47.119 --> 01:10:49.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, I could do a ritual, you know, meditations

1235
01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:51.840
<v Speaker 1>and everything included almost like an hour long and that

1236
01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:54.279
<v Speaker 1>literally could have been just like the orgy really where

1237
01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:57.199
<v Speaker 1>I just set myself up to pray to God, and

1238
01:10:57.239 --> 01:10:59.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, I'm like, yo, like, not for nothing, but

1239
01:10:59.560 --> 01:11:01.479
<v Speaker 1>it's just like, you know, to a Christian or a

1240
01:11:01.479 --> 01:11:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Catholic who wants to demonize what I'm doing, it's like, you, like,

1241
01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:07.800
<v Speaker 1>what I just did to talk to God to ask

1242
01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:10.159
<v Speaker 1>him to make me a better person. That will probably

1243
01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:12.520
<v Speaker 1>take you three months to spend that much time in prayers.

1244
01:11:13.359 --> 01:11:15.600
<v Speaker 1>You're like, you know what I'm saying like that for nothing,

1245
01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:19.279
<v Speaker 1>but like I'm actually trying to really put myself into

1246
01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:21.840
<v Speaker 1>having a conversation with the Man, oh God or whatever

1247
01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:25.039
<v Speaker 1>it is, you know, and like saying, tell me you

1248
01:11:25.159 --> 01:11:30.399
<v Speaker 1>worshiped Satan. I'm like, fuck, really, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>That's such a good point. How much praying?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, I mean at least I guess if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a Catholic and might counsel roseries but you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>but uh I.

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<v Speaker 6>Think, yeah, no, I've thought about that, like yeah and whatever,

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<v Speaker 6>but uh I think we'll we'll leave it there as well,

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<v Speaker 6>if you don't mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Viv, that was really a great, great talk. I really

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<v Speaker 1>had a good time with you, and you're really you're

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<v Speaker 1>really impressive actually for your age. The amount of work

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<v Speaker 1>that you're doing and how you're into it. Pretty cool,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool. Good for you again, like I was saying

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<v Speaker 1>before the show starts, hopefully in a few years I'll

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<v Speaker 1>have you on the show for a book that you

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<v Speaker 1>put out, so that.

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<v Speaker 2>Would be wonderful. Thank you so much for me. This

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<v Speaker 2>has been a wonderful conversation. You know, it's been my

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<v Speaker 2>first podcast back in like yours, I go back online,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's been really fun. I really enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 1>Great. Great, Please let everybody know where they can find

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<v Speaker 1>your stuff, and you want to like remind them about

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<v Speaker 1>your old YouTube or anything you know that you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be doing in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. Yeah. So you can follow me on Instagram, TikTok,

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<v Speaker 2>threads as viv dot scarlet Star, and I will be

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<v Speaker 2>posting videos on YouTube again starting in the summer, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's Scarlet Star Sanctum. I will also be making a substack,

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<v Speaker 2>so just like stay tuned on my socials for that

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<v Speaker 2>for where I kind of get into the routine of

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<v Speaker 2>writing and everything like that. And I'll also get my

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<v Speaker 2>Patreon back up and running most likely this summer as well,

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<v Speaker 2>So just stay tuned for all of that stuff and

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<v Speaker 2>just follow me on those platforms for now, and I

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<v Speaker 2>will give you guys updates on what's coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome. Thank you, and definitely follow her Instagram. I love

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<v Speaker 1>how like you do like the planetary and elemental kind

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<v Speaker 1>of associations and stuff like that. You know how you

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<v Speaker 1>can like the basic stuff. I think that's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I like to have like those, like resources

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<v Speaker 2>for people, but in a way that's accessible and easy,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't need to make more of those.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely, definitely, But thank you again, viv I really

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<v Speaker 1>had a good time, and everybody in the chat, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for joining and thank you for the comments. And

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<v Speaker 1>that is the end of another Occult Rejects and until

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<v Speaker 1>the next one, everybody be well later.