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<v Speaker 1>Baby, I'm a gangster too. It takes out a tangle.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't mess with me. Mess with me, baby, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a gangster. Touch baby, you're a gangstato.

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<v Speaker 2>For good warning, this podcast is designed to take you

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<v Speaker 2>outside of your comfort zone and make you question reality.

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<v Speaker 2>Listener discretion is a vibe the fellas.

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<v Speaker 1>This ain't my first time at the rodeos. Hello, and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back to the show. Hope twenty twenty six has

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<v Speaker 1>been treating you good. Got some new stuff for us

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss today, and it's actually well, I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>say this about every episode, but it's really fucking interesting

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<v Speaker 1>and you guys are never gonna believe it. But before

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<v Speaker 1>we jump right in to the topic, little housekeeping here.

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<v Speaker 1>I got so that bitch that I follow on Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>that recommends the documentaries. I wanted to like her so much.

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<v Speaker 1>She that's how I found that documentary about the fucking

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<v Speaker 1>dude that was buried under his house for fifty five years. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and I watched a couple other ones that she recommended,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, Oh, this bitch is awesome. She's

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<v Speaker 1>found all these documentaries and I don't even have to

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<v Speaker 1>search for new stuff anymore. I can just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>go off her recommendations because it seems like we're into

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<v Speaker 1>the same stuff. Well, fuck you, and I disrespect you

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<v Speaker 1>for this. She recommended this documentary right It's called Horror

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<v Speaker 1>in the High Desert, and I was like, ooh, the

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<v Speaker 1>way she set it up and like described it, it

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<v Speaker 1>sounded amazing and I was actually gonna cover a whole

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<v Speaker 1>episode about it because it was actually the craziest shit

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<v Speaker 1>I had ever heard. So I got duped into watching

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<v Speaker 1>this fucking fake documentary. I got almost to the end

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<v Speaker 1>of it before I realized this was a fucking fake,

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<v Speaker 1>fucking Blair witch ass fucking it was a movie. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't even a documentary that I got almost to the

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<v Speaker 1>end before I fucking realized. I think there was like

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<v Speaker 1>ten minutes of it left before I realized this shit

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<v Speaker 1>ain't real. I got totally duped. And guess what, I

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<v Speaker 1>disrespect you for that she set it up like it

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<v Speaker 1>was some real shit. Got almost to the end of

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<v Speaker 1>it thinking, oh my god, if this actually happened, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna shit my pants. It was a fucking blair witch ass,

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<v Speaker 1>fucking mock youmentary, So fuck you. But if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to just watch something cool. It's called Horror in the

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<v Speaker 1>High Desert and it is on to be uh and

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<v Speaker 1>guess what spoiler alert something She should have disclaimed, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not real, even though the shit looks pretty. I know

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who left the theater after seeing

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<v Speaker 1>Blair Witch thinking that was the really shit. Ever, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the same way. But guess what, people, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>fucking real, but a movie that you can watch that

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<v Speaker 1>me and my husband, well, my husband actually discovered it

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<v Speaker 1>from a podcast or something he was listening to. He

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<v Speaker 1>watched it on his own and then said it was

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<v Speaker 1>so good that he wanted to watch it again with me.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm glad that he made that decision because it

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<v Speaker 1>was a fucking awesome movie. It's called Barbarian and it's

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<v Speaker 1>relatively new. I think it came out within the last

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<v Speaker 1>like year two, and you know, it's one of those ones.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I had seen it on Hulu and just

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<v Speaker 1>passed right by it. I'm not even gonna tell you

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<v Speaker 1>anything about it, because that's how I went into it.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, I'm not even gonna tell you anything about it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just gonna sit down and watch it. And I said, okay, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>and It made the watching experience ten times better because

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<v Speaker 1>I had absolutely no fucking clue what I was getting

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<v Speaker 1>myself into. If you haven't seen it already, just go

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<v Speaker 1>go to Hulu right now, Wait till nighttime. Get a

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<v Speaker 1>glass of wine or whatever it is you do. Smoke

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<v Speaker 1>a little, drink a little, whatever it is that you

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<v Speaker 1>do at night, get some chips, sit down and watch

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<v Speaker 1>the shit. You won't regret it. It was fantastic. I

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<v Speaker 1>give it ten out of ten. I can't even say

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<v Speaker 1>what it is because it'll give the movie away. I

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<v Speaker 1>just give it ten out of ten. Okay, it was

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<v Speaker 1>really fucking good. But while I've been like me and

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<v Speaker 1>my husband take turns, like it's his turn, then it's

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<v Speaker 1>my turn to pick a movie, and you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>just with the holiday season and stuff, it's hard for

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<v Speaker 1>me to say goodbye to the Christmas movies and shit

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<v Speaker 1>like that because I will watch Christmas movies the entire

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<v Speaker 1>month of December and trickle it a little bit into

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<v Speaker 1>January even and I hate to see him go. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they took the Hulu days down, and they took all

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<v Speaker 1>the Christmas shit off Netflix and whatever. While I was

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<v Speaker 1>in Oklahoma visiting my family. I mean, obviously, my sister's

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<v Speaker 1>the same way as me. She loves Christmas movies. We

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<v Speaker 1>watched all of them. We watched four Christmases National Lampoons.

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<v Speaker 1>We watched all of them, and it finally got to

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<v Speaker 1>the point where it was like, what haven't we watched

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<v Speaker 1>yet this year? And I said, as a joke, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't watched Media's Christmas yet this year. And she

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, yeah, I like media movies. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we could watch that. And I was joking, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think most of the media movies are funny. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of them suck. But she goes, you know, Tyler Perry's

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<v Speaker 1>a sexual predator, and I said, it doesn't surprise me

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<v Speaker 1>because it's a It's a huge black dude dressing up

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<v Speaker 1>as a woman and involved with all these weird Christian

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<v Speaker 1>charity stuff. And he sold he sold a jetplane to

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<v Speaker 1>that one scumbag, demon possessed guy who claims to be

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<v Speaker 1>a pastor. Oh what's his name? What is his name?

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<v Speaker 1>He looks like he is absolutely possessed by demons. I

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<v Speaker 1>got pregnancy brain. It's probably not gonna come to me.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyways, he's involved with all these really high up

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<v Speaker 1>like TV preachers who are just downright scary and demonic looking.

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<v Speaker 1>And in my opinion, he's always acted like he had

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<v Speaker 1>a little sugar in his tank, if you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, Because he has all this stuff about family

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<v Speaker 1>values and crap like that in his movies. But to me,

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<v Speaker 1>he has always come across as hiding something and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>having a little sugar in his tank. And he plays

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<v Speaker 1>a woman so well that you might think it just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of comes naturally to him. And Tyler Perry, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>he is, in my opinion, no sexual predator. And he's

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<v Speaker 1>currently facing two separate, multi million dollar civil lawsuits that

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<v Speaker 1>alleged sexual assault and harassment, and both lawsuits claim that

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<v Speaker 1>Tyler Perry used his power and influence as a major

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<v Speaker 1>film executive to coerce these actors into unwanted sexual encounters

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<v Speaker 1>and advances with the promise of career advancement. The alleged

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<v Speaker 1>incidents occurred between twenty fifteen and twenty twenty one, and

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<v Speaker 1>from what I read, he drugged them and then he

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<v Speaker 1>raped their be holes. Heller, they got the uh hashtag

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Reiner stinging butthole from good old Medeia. But how

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<v Speaker 1>embarrassed too, like if you were gonna get drugged and

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<v Speaker 1>raped in the bee hole by anybody, you got drugged

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<v Speaker 1>and you got raped in the bee hole by Heller

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<v Speaker 1>fucking Medea A halleluyer. But speaking of beehole allegations, we

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<v Speaker 1>can go ahead and roll into the topic of the

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<v Speaker 1>hour if that suits you. This Uh, this was a topic.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's older in the nineteen seventies, something so

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<v Speaker 1>horrific happened, and yet no one has probably heard of

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<v Speaker 1>this fucking shit. So before we jump right in, shout

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<v Speaker 1>out to my husband's slash potential producer depending on what

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<v Speaker 1>mood he is and how much he likes me at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, for bringing the topic to my attention. And

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<v Speaker 1>also shout out to the Brohio podcast once again for

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<v Speaker 1>kind of covering it and doing a shitty enough job

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<v Speaker 1>that it inspired me once again to dive deeper and

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<v Speaker 1>bring you the full biscuits and gravy and just just

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<v Speaker 1>a creative dinner idea out there for you guys. Since

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<v Speaker 1>I said biscuits and gravy, that really got me salivating.

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<v Speaker 1>You can get chicken tenders, throw them in the oven,

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<v Speaker 1>frozen chicken tenders. We're not fucking bourgeois up in here.

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<v Speaker 1>We're getting frozen chicken tenders. I'm not saying go out

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<v Speaker 1>there and get Tyson or whatever. But if you can

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<v Speaker 1>get like some good like cage free, you know, roam

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<v Speaker 1>about whatever. They call it pasture chicken tenders, throw those

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<v Speaker 1>in the oven. Get you some white gravy. Some people

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<v Speaker 1>in the North call it peppercorn gravy, which, hello, that

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<v Speaker 1>is bizarre to me. It's white gravy. Okay, it's called

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<v Speaker 1>country gravy. Peppercorn gravy. You guys are barbarians. So you

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<v Speaker 1>get frozen chicken tenders country gravy, and then you can

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<v Speaker 1>do some waffles. If you're real trailer trash, just get

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<v Speaker 1>some frozen waffles and fucking throw those bitches into a

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<v Speaker 1>toaster or you know, the oven. Whatever. And if you're

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to be a little less Dolly Parton and more Riba,

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<v Speaker 1>you could just make your own waffles biz quick style

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<v Speaker 1>if you have like a little waffle maker or something,

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<v Speaker 1>and get you some maple syrup, and then you have

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<v Speaker 1>chicken and waffles with country gravy and a little maple syrup.

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<v Speaker 1>That shit is delicious. And I don't know if my

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<v Speaker 1>husband's going to listen to that episode, but if we

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<v Speaker 1>have that for dinner one of these upcoming nights. You

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<v Speaker 1>heard it here first on the Cosmic Beach podcast. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>So after Dean Coral, the candy Man pedophile murderer in

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<v Speaker 1>Houston that I have talked about before, and before John

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<v Speaker 1>Wayne Gacy, the pedophile murderer killer clown in Chicago, there

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<v Speaker 1>were other cases of abuse and murder of kids in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen seventies. That provides disturbing new evidence that connects

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<v Speaker 1>all of these cases. And if you want a little

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<v Speaker 1>light listening, if you run out of Cosmic Peach podcast

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<v Speaker 1>episodes to listen to, you can go and find The

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<v Speaker 1>Clown and the Candyman podcast wherever you listen to podcasts,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you would rather watch it, it's available on

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<v Speaker 1>Discovery Plus streaming. So The Clown and the Candyman. But

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to connect the Candyman pedophile murderer in Houston

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<v Speaker 1>with John Wayne Gacy, the pedo clown killer in Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>with some new cases here. So between nineteen seventy six

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<v Speaker 1>and nineteen seventy seven in Oakland County, a prosperous suburban

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<v Speaker 1>area near Detroit in Michigan. They were dealing with child

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<v Speaker 1>disappearances and child murders. They ranged an age from ten

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<v Speaker 1>to twelve years old, and the killer became known as

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<v Speaker 1>the Oakland County child Killer. And to this day the

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<v Speaker 1>perpetrator has never been identified. But there may be a

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<v Speaker 1>connection between the Oakland County Child Killer and a little

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<v Speaker 1>place we are going to be talking about in very

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<v Speaker 1>great detail today called the North Fox Island. Now, it is,

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion, one of the first, if not the first,

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<v Speaker 1>pedophile islands. It was run as a boys camp, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was called a charitable organization under the name

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<v Speaker 1>Brother Paul's Children's Mission, but it was in fact a

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<v Speaker 1>child exploitation enterprise. Okay, under the disgusting ass fucking name

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<v Speaker 1>of Brother Paul's Children's Mission. Okay. Jeffrey Epstein is gnahing

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<v Speaker 1>but a copycat literally copy and paste. But why, oh

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<v Speaker 1>why when the Epstein stuff dropped, was no one bringing

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<v Speaker 1>up North Fox Island? Okay. So many investigative narratives, including

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<v Speaker 1>one called Children of the Snow, have explored whether the

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<v Speaker 1>serial murders in Detroit might have certain ties to broader

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<v Speaker 1>child abuse networks. Some researchers point to suspects and clients

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<v Speaker 1>tied to underground child sex circles, arguing that it's unlikely

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<v Speaker 1>that a single killer who abducted and held children would

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<v Speaker 1>operate fully outside the Michigan pedo ecosystem, especially considering the

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<v Speaker 1>proximity of the Oakland County child killings and this pedo island. So,

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<v Speaker 1>these boys in the Oakland County child murders or children

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<v Speaker 1>of the Snow, whichever one, were held for days, sexually

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<v Speaker 1>abused and smothered, then dumped randomly in the snow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna keep on speaking about it until you get

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<v Speaker 1>it through your head. There's always something lurking beneath the

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<v Speaker 1>more to the story than what you hear in the news.

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<v Speaker 1>Three Okay hashtag twenty twenty six Nick Reiner stinging beeholes

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<v Speaker 1>for everybody. Yes, that's a long hashtag, but that's what

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<v Speaker 1>take a look at the Cast Corridor in Michigan where

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<v Speaker 1>the snow Boys were mutilated in the nineteen seventies. The

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<v Speaker 1>and here comes the Bob Moore. Right, Bob Moore, here

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<v Speaker 1>old body, right, And so the people who worked there

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<v Speaker 1>These groups of men were very well organized, so much

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<v Speaker 1>they called them parties. Right. It is actually shocking how

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<v Speaker 1>organized and tighten it these pedophile rings were and are

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<v Speaker 1>to this day, and that they were operating right under

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<v Speaker 1>the noses of literally everyone. But I realized as I

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<v Speaker 1>went along in this investigation that it wasn't so much

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<v Speaker 1>that people didn't think it was happening. They didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>I know, at some point these kids had to be talking,

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<v Speaker 1>telling fucking someone, but yet no one is going to jail.

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<v Speaker 1>So some investigators have pointed to the likelihood of three

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<v Speaker 1>specific pedophiles from the cast Corridor who may have killed

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<v Speaker 1>these boys. One turned out to be a guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Ted Lamborghini. That's not a pseudonym, that's his real fucking

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<v Speaker 1>last name. Probably connected to some shit, right. Ted Lamborghini

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<v Speaker 1>a career pedophile and sexual predator. He was finally put

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen seventies, and he had never been arrested

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<v Speaker 1>before that, But it wasn't until recently that he has

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<v Speaker 1>been connected to the snow Boy's murders. So in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventies, yes, there were pedophiles, just like there are today,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was no internet, so they ran in group

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<v Speaker 1>and they were all interconnected. The candy Man pedo killer

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<v Speaker 1>literally told that to the police in Houston, which they

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<v Speaker 1>did nothing with that information, and it's the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>in Detroit. John Wayne Gacy told the police that these

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<v Speaker 1>pedophiles run in networks and you know what they did

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<v Speaker 1>with that information, fucking nothing. And in the Snowboy's murders,

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<v Speaker 1>a few members of this Detroit pedophile ring extended their

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<v Speaker 1>children off the streets of Oakland County. This shit has tentacles, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's all over the place. It is a literal network.

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<v Speaker 1>But besides Ted Lamborghini, there was a dude named Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Bush that was suspected in the snowboys murders. What do

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<v Speaker 1>we know about this guy, Well, we know that Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Bush's father was a prominent GM executive and it was

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<v Speaker 1>part of deep investigation into the corridor that revealed that

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<v Speaker 1>these inner city kids living in the Cast Corridor were

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<v Speaker 1>being serviced by a porn ring that involved some politicians

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<v Speaker 1>and some high level GM executives and of course other

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<v Speaker 1>upstanding members of the community. And after that information came out,

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<v Speaker 1>a few women came forward. They described ritual abuse by

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<v Speaker 1>pedophiles that were fucking higher ups in gas executive management.

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<v Speaker 1>All during the mid nineteen seventies, and they were still

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<v Speaker 1>scared of repercussions and frightened to talk after all these years. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, Chris Bush got epsteined quite literally before

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<v Speaker 1>he had to face the music for the brutal murdering

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<v Speaker 1>and raping he had been a part of. But here's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. A Corporal Richard mcnamay was the responding officer

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<v Speaker 1>for the Chris Bush quote unquote suicide, and according to

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<v Speaker 1>a woman who came forward later in the investigation, this

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<v Speaker 1>very officer sexually abused her from the ages of eight

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<v Speaker 1>to eleven while patrolling her neighborhood in Bloomfield Village. So

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<v Speaker 1>a Freedom of Information Act request was filed with Bloomfield

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<v Speaker 1>Township to get this piece of shit's records, and then boom,

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<v Speaker 1>we get all these documents that prove that the woman

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<v Speaker 1>who came forward was not the only one sexually abused

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<v Speaker 1>by a long shot. So a pedophile officer is the

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<v Speaker 1>first person to respond to the fucking Chris Bush alleged

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<v Speaker 1>suicide scene. The mathematical odds of that being the case

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<v Speaker 1>are fucking astronomical, dude, especially since that officer had half

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<v Speaker 1>an hour with only Chris Bush's supposedly dead body and

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Bush's brother there before any backup arrived. It's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like a weird Marilyn Monroe situation. So is he

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<v Speaker 1>dead or was he literally epsteined away somewhere, maybe to

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<v Speaker 1>a very nearby pedo Island, which, hello, enter Pedo Island. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I set all of this up for you to get

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<v Speaker 1>to where we are now, and this is really going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the beginning of our story. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>story of millionaire Francis Sheldon and his role in the

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<v Speaker 1>world of abusers and killers like Dean Coral, the pedo

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<v Speaker 1>Candyman murderer, and John Wayne Gacy. And of course this

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<v Speaker 1>is the story of Sheldon's Pedophile Island.

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<v Speaker 3>So well.

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<v Speaker 1>As we've discussed so far, the four kids in the

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<v Speaker 1>were killed, and a child pornography ring was identified that

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing. The Cast Corridor ring was actually being

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<v Speaker 1>financed by the same man who was behind Fox Peedo

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<v Speaker 1>Island pornography ring. Yes, Francis Sheldon. So Francis had his

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<v Speaker 1>fucking tentacles out. He had Peto Island and he was

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<v Speaker 1>financing the Cast Corridor pedophile ring. And Fox Island was

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<v Speaker 1>billed as a vacation home for area residents of Charlavoy, Michigan,

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<v Speaker 1>but it actually instead was a multi million dollar child

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<v Speaker 1>pornography operation. Doesn't that sound familiar, little miss Charlavoy? John Beney, Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>no record of that pageant existing outside of John Benay?

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<v Speaker 1>Why were the Ramses always traveling to Michigan? Jesus Christ, people,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody fucking hired me as a private investigator, I swear. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>so this was an actual fucking business that Sheldon was running,

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking pornography ring, and they ran it through the mail,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were filming this shit all over the country

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<v Speaker 1>in basements in New York, in the Cast Corridor and

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<v Speaker 1>of course on Fox Island, and they would send the

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<v Speaker 1>film through the mail. And Sheldon actually recruited young boys

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<v Speaker 1>through their parents by asking them to come to his

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<v Speaker 1>nature camp that he called Brother Paul's Children's Mission. Sick fucker.

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<v Speaker 1>And get this shit, it was actually a tax dodge

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<v Speaker 1>because they were getting state fucking money to operate it. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>or I guess since we were talking about Tyler Perry

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<v Speaker 1>earlier Heller, what the fuck? Of course, the state's paying

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<v Speaker 1>for the fucking peto operation, only naturally, so why is

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<v Speaker 1>this rich guy doing this. Francis Sheldon came from a

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<v Speaker 1>well respected family with history in Michigan. People actually really

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<v Speaker 1>liked this sick fuck in the community. He had a

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<v Speaker 1>very prominent family and his lineage actually leads all the

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<v Speaker 1>way up to the White House. Come on, people, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like David Crosby all over again. We got fucking signers

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<v Speaker 1>of the Declaration of Independence and all that shit. Fucking

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<v Speaker 1>Francis Sheldon right, he was a very powerful, sick, fucked

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<v Speaker 1>up individual, But yet they all are. So let's now

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<v Speaker 1>take a visit, if you will, to the original Pedo Island.

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<v Speaker 1>It sits out in Lake Michigan, quiet isolated, a beautiful place,

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<v Speaker 1>about fifteen to twenty miles off the northern Michigan shoreline.

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<v Speaker 1>No bridges, no ferry schedules, no tourist boats. If you

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<v Speaker 1>want to get there, you either need a boat, or

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<v Speaker 1>you need good weather, or you need a plane. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>The island itself is beautiful in a way that almost

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<v Speaker 1>feels suspicious. You got dense woods, rolling dunes, gorgeous crystal

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<v Speaker 1>clear water. It really reminds me and the Brohio guys

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this. It's like these retreats other elite scumbags

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<v Speaker 1>go to on their little getaways, Camp David Martha's Vineyard,

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<v Speaker 1>places like that. This was that kind of place. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no town, there's no neighbors, no one accidentally wandering by.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just you, the trees, the beaches, and miles and

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<v Speaker 1>miles of silence. And in the middle of that island,

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<v Speaker 1>carved right into the land was a grassy airstrip. This

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen seventies, groups of young boys were flown out

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<v Speaker 1>to this very island, not with their parents and definitely

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<v Speaker 1>not on a fucking family vacation. They were sent there

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<v Speaker 1>by adults that they trusted, adults who promised adventure, mentorship,

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<v Speaker 1>and opportunity. And once those planes lifted off and landed

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<v Speaker 1>spending this summer with your twig and berries draped across

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<v Speaker 1>Francis Sheldon's face. Now what's been said is if you

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<v Speaker 1>do Francis and if you looked at his resume, nothing

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<v Speaker 1>about it screamed monster. He was a Yale graduate, much

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<v Speaker 1>like Epstein would later be a Harvard graduate. These ivy

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<v Speaker 1>league motherfuckers, Epstein and Francis Sheldon also contributed large, large

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<v Speaker 1>amounts of money back to their schools. And he was

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<v Speaker 1>was actually in real estate and oil. He had old

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<v Speaker 1>have a private island type money, okay. And he bought

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<v Speaker 1>about twenty thousand dollars to an elderly widow whose husband

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<v Speaker 1>flew his own planes. He was a pilot, and he

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<v Speaker 1>talked openly about how the island gave him peace. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about what that peace was here

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<v Speaker 1>in just to mint it. And of course Sheldon was

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<v Speaker 1>like a big Brothers club type shit mentorship program, fucking

412
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:28.800
<v Speaker 1>charity work, motherfucker. And he was known to love kids,

413
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:33.199
<v Speaker 1>which you imagine that, and of course they're tight be holes.

414
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:39.440
<v Speaker 1>And he loaded parents up with the bullshit excuse that

415
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:43.039
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to give the boys an experience they might

416
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:49.079
<v Speaker 1>not have otherwise, which he was right about that, because

417
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:53.559
<v Speaker 1>it's not every day you get to spend the summer

418
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:59.400
<v Speaker 1>with big, hairy, sweaty old dudes running train on your

419
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:07.679
<v Speaker 1>bee hole in the hot summer Michigan heat. So all

420
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:13.199
<v Speaker 1>of this, though, was supposedly part of his charitable program.

421
00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:18.199
<v Speaker 1>He would find these poverty stricken families that had a

422
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:20.960
<v Speaker 1>bunch of kids, like I was talking about earlier, and

423
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:24.239
<v Speaker 1>he would take the boys and fly them out to

424
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:30.159
<v Speaker 1>the island. These boys, though, thought it would be like

425
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:35.800
<v Speaker 1>an adventure, an excursion, almost like the summer of a lifetime,

426
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:44.199
<v Speaker 1>fucking little youth campshit. But unfortunately what they were headed

427
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:53.119
<v Speaker 1>for was an absolute nightmare. And ain't a wink syndrome. Now,

428
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:58.360
<v Speaker 1>let me tell you something. Sure, they were doing all

429
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:02.039
<v Speaker 1>the things on the island that boys liked to do,

430
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:07.559
<v Speaker 1>but there was then the caveat so yeah, they were

431
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:15.199
<v Speaker 1>doing fishing and they were also doing anal fishers, they

432
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:21.000
<v Speaker 1>were doing digging, and they were also doing anal digging.

433
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:27.679
<v Speaker 1>They were running and then they were also getting train

434
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:36.840
<v Speaker 1>run on. Oh god, it's not funny. It's not funny

435
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:42.719
<v Speaker 1>at all. But I mean it's really really sad. So initially,

436
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:48.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, actually, while we're on it with the anal digging,

437
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:53.679
<v Speaker 1>I had this friend side Tangent. She was a home

438
00:39:53.920 --> 00:40:00.559
<v Speaker 1>health aid nurse and she was getting paid ten dollars

439
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:03.719
<v Speaker 1>an hour. She had this family she worked for. She

440
00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:07.880
<v Speaker 1>was getting paid ten dollars an hour to watch this

441
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:12.920
<v Speaker 1>woman's twins that had some kind of fucking syndrome, something

442
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:20.000
<v Speaker 1>the fuck wrong with him. And I'm not bashing handicaps here,

443
00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:24.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying that had something the fuck wrong with them,

444
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:27.480
<v Speaker 1>and she was getting paid ten dollars an hour to

445
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:31.679
<v Speaker 1>feed them, bathe them, change their fucking asses, and do

446
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:35.760
<v Speaker 1>all this stuff. And one night she was like, damn,

447
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:40.400
<v Speaker 1>I had I haven't seen Charlie in a minute. She

448
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:49.199
<v Speaker 1>goes and finds him. He's in the bathroom. Uh had

449
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:53.719
<v Speaker 1>dropped trow gotten in the tub and was just digging

450
00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:59.159
<v Speaker 1>in his ass, just throwing shit everywhere, this literally digging

451
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:04.039
<v Speaker 1>in his ass, getting huge clumps of fucking turns out,

452
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:07.199
<v Speaker 1>smearing them and throwing it all over the fucking place,

453
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:11.800
<v Speaker 1>shit under his nail, shit all over the place. And

454
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.760
<v Speaker 1>this my poor friend ten dollars an hour, had to

455
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:19.039
<v Speaker 1>scrub that whole bathroom clean. This kid up put a

456
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:21.880
<v Speaker 1>new diaper on him, And I said, what the fuck

457
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.000
<v Speaker 1>is wrong with him that he would do that? And

458
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:26.960
<v Speaker 1>she said, he's an an old digger. It's a real thing,

459
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:31.840
<v Speaker 1>fucking look it up, anal digging. So anyways, back to

460
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:38.199
<v Speaker 1>the story. So initially, when you would go out there

461
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:45.639
<v Speaker 1>to North Fox Pedo Island for the youth camps, yeah,

462
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:49.760
<v Speaker 1>like I said, there was fishing, there was camping, flying

463
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:53.320
<v Speaker 1>in the small planes, the kind of stuff that makes

464
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:59.440
<v Speaker 1>adults say, that'll be a great time for you. Gee.

465
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:05.679
<v Speaker 1>Thanks and dad. It's got to be one of the

466
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:10.960
<v Speaker 1>worst parts that he brought the boys out to the island,

467
00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:15.400
<v Speaker 1>not in secret, not in hiding. The parents fucking knew.

468
00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:20.440
<v Speaker 1>The parents were very much a part of it, and

469
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:23.840
<v Speaker 1>even some of them paid a small fee of eighty

470
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:26.960
<v Speaker 1>five dollars to send their kids to this fucking camp.

471
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:30.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, eighty five bucks for a six day trip

472
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:36.119
<v Speaker 1>airfare included. But little did they know what they were

473
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:41.039
<v Speaker 1>really paying for. You know, it was just the thing

474
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:44.920
<v Speaker 1>a family would love on the surface, right to send

475
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:47.440
<v Speaker 1>their kid to summer camp where they get to do

476
00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:58.320
<v Speaker 1>horseback riding and flying small planes and fishing and camaraderie, fellowshit,

477
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:05.159
<v Speaker 1>singing kumbai ya and all that shit, hanging with the boys.

478
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:10.480
<v Speaker 1>But that's why. And yes, I get it, this was

479
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:13.440
<v Speaker 1>the fucking seventies and they didn't know about Nick Reiner

480
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:19.280
<v Speaker 1>stinging bee holes yet. But come on, people, protect your babies. Please,

481
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:23.840
<v Speaker 1>these camps, these boy scout troops and shit, fuck them,

482
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:30.800
<v Speaker 1>fuck them, fuck them all right, Oh you want to

483
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:34.599
<v Speaker 1>take my kids somewhere, You want to take my kid

484
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:40.079
<v Speaker 1>off somewhere for the summer and no parents around.

485
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:41.440
<v Speaker 3>Fuck you.

486
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:48.199
<v Speaker 1>But Sheldon was smart. He was smart. Most of these

487
00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:52.119
<v Speaker 1>boys were actually from foster homes. They were foster kids.

488
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:57.519
<v Speaker 1>These were troubled kids. These boys were from unstable homes,

489
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:04.400
<v Speaker 1>boys that were subjected to the system. And these were

490
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:08.920
<v Speaker 1>children that basically didn't have families, most of them. And

491
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:13.119
<v Speaker 1>also that was supposed to be part of the fucking

492
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:19.840
<v Speaker 1>charitable aspect of this shit. But Sheldon would take these impoverished,

493
00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:24.519
<v Speaker 1>underprivileged children, and he would give them the opportunity to

494
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:30.239
<v Speaker 1>experience a vacation, to see what it's like to go

495
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:33.840
<v Speaker 1>to a fun place, to be loved, to be taken

496
00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:40.679
<v Speaker 1>care of. And it was a charity service and that's

497
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:43.679
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be the beauty of all of it. But

498
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.000
<v Speaker 1>just like the devil to appear to you as an

499
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:51.079
<v Speaker 1>angel of light, this is literally the wolf in sheep's clothing.

500
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:56.880
<v Speaker 1>These boys were probably so fucking excited and they had

501
00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:02.280
<v Speaker 1>absolutely no idea what was in store for them. And

502
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:05.599
<v Speaker 1>you know, they get there, they start to settle in

503
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:10.480
<v Speaker 1>on North Fox Island and they realize that the mood

504
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:17.960
<v Speaker 1>is starting to change quickly, right, and the clothes were

505
00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:22.119
<v Speaker 1>actually the first thing to get addressed. The kids would

506
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:25.960
<v Speaker 1>show up thinking everything's normal. You got your little suit

507
00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:29.400
<v Speaker 1>case and your little you know, whatever the fuck you

508
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:34.559
<v Speaker 1>brought with you, and before you know what, the camp

509
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:41.320
<v Speaker 1>counselors are like, you boys are fine to just hang

510
00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:45.719
<v Speaker 1>out in your panty drawers, uh, or actually just be

511
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:50.679
<v Speaker 1>just be naked. How about that? How about that, you know,

512
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:55.079
<v Speaker 1>take your breeches and just throw them in the lake,

513
00:45:55.880 --> 00:45:59.840
<v Speaker 1>because we just we just hang we just be hanging

514
00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:04.239
<v Speaker 1>out at North Fox Island. We'd just be hanging out,

515
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:11.480
<v Speaker 1>so physical contact was normalized, and they would say things

516
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:16.559
<v Speaker 1>like this is natural, this is trust, this how you grow.

517
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Then enter the photographers. There are always photographers around every

518
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:33.719
<v Speaker 1>second every day these boys were on the fucking island.

519
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:41.000
<v Speaker 1>It's like they had their own personalized film crews. They're

520
00:46:41.079 --> 00:46:46.360
<v Speaker 1>just followed by workers with cameras and a lot of

521
00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:50.480
<v Speaker 1>the time they'd go, you know, try to do some

522
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:55.679
<v Speaker 1>little fun thing that was offered, archery or swimming, or

523
00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:59.079
<v Speaker 1>go chop down a tree in the woods, whatever, and

524
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:04.360
<v Speaker 1>every second there was a person behind them with the camera,

525
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:08.599
<v Speaker 1>fucking you know, trying to get some type of little

526
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:11.840
<v Speaker 1>pose out of them, like, you know, strike a pose,

527
00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:14.760
<v Speaker 1>strike a pose for the camp. Smile. I bet you

528
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:18.760
<v Speaker 1>can't do the splits a bit. You can't do the splits.

529
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:22.360
<v Speaker 1>Can't you do the splits for the camera? Uh? Hey,

530
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:25.000
<v Speaker 1>show me how you pee with your penis for the

531
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:30.360
<v Speaker 1>camera for the camera over here? You know, Hey, show

532
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:33.480
<v Speaker 1>show me how how far you can spread your cheeks.

533
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:38.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, really get in there, maybe a little pupil

534
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:43.679
<v Speaker 1>all out. And part of the reason why they did

535
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:49.760
<v Speaker 1>this was proof for the parents that everything was fine,

536
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:54.719
<v Speaker 1>and they'd send the pictures home to the families and

537
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:59.039
<v Speaker 1>then you know, Mom's like, oh, I don't know why

538
00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:01.280
<v Speaker 1>his penis is out, but it looks like he's having

539
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:08.320
<v Speaker 1>a great time with hunting and fishing and climbing trees. Uh,

540
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:10.960
<v Speaker 1>he must be having so much fun. He just forgot

541
00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:14.639
<v Speaker 1>to put his painty drawers on that day, like, get

542
00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:17.000
<v Speaker 1>the fuck out of here. They would send home like

543
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:20.599
<v Speaker 1>twenty thirty forty fifty pictures of these kids and not

544
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:24.880
<v Speaker 1>one picture. A mom had some inkling of an intuition

545
00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:31.360
<v Speaker 1>something wasn't fucking right. Where's my kid's breeches? Okay, wise

546
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:34.800
<v Speaker 1>he chopping down a tree in his panty drawers or

547
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:38.559
<v Speaker 1>whatever the fuck they were doing. But on an island

548
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:44.960
<v Speaker 1>like that, when you're totally fucking isolated, cut off and

549
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:49.320
<v Speaker 1>being controlled by these six son of a bitches, what

550
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:53.840
<v Speaker 1>feels like normal can change pretty quickly because no one

551
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:57.320
<v Speaker 1>from the outside world is coming to check up on you.

552
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:01.440
<v Speaker 1>And that's the whole the thing here is this island

553
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:03.519
<v Speaker 1>is just off in the middle of fucking nowhere. There's

554
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:07.440
<v Speaker 1>no police, there's no coastguard, there's no boat patrol, there

555
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:12.960
<v Speaker 1>is literally no law enforcement oversight at all where this

556
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:16.360
<v Speaker 1>is going on. So when the only adults that are

557
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:19.840
<v Speaker 1>around you are telling you to show him how you

558
00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:24.039
<v Speaker 1>pee with your penis and to spread your cheeks and

559
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:30.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, spread Billy's cheeks for him, you just start thinking, Okay,

560
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:34.400
<v Speaker 1>I gotta spread Billy's cheeks for him. You know, Let's

561
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.440
<v Speaker 1>show me how you can wipe each other. Show me

562
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:41.920
<v Speaker 1>how you can wipe each other. This is what's going

563
00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:47.199
<v Speaker 1>on here. So most people who didn't really know what

564
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:50.079
<v Speaker 1>was going on just thought that Francis was just a

565
00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:53.880
<v Speaker 1>rich guy with a weird hobby and some kind of

566
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:57.599
<v Speaker 1>a remote island that double does a summer camp and

567
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:02.559
<v Speaker 1>kids were having great, these great experiences that their parents

568
00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:07.599
<v Speaker 1>couldn't normally afford, and that's the version everybody wanted to believe.

569
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:14.440
<v Speaker 1>And Sheldon actually worked with this other guy by the

570
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:20.480
<v Speaker 1>name of Jerald Richards, So he had this guy Richards,

571
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:26.480
<v Speaker 1>signing all of his documents and basically be kind of

572
00:50:26.679 --> 00:50:30.960
<v Speaker 1>like his fall guy. So if anything went down, which

573
00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:34.320
<v Speaker 1>it did, Richards would be left holding the bag because

574
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:37.400
<v Speaker 1>he was the one signing all this shit, and people

575
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:40.719
<v Speaker 1>thought that he was actually in charge, but he wasn't

576
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:48.480
<v Speaker 1>Francis Sheldon got this dude to agree to basically be

577
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:51.280
<v Speaker 1>a part of this and sign all the documents and shit.

578
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:57.199
<v Speaker 1>So Francis would have like a fall guy. If people

579
00:50:57.239 --> 00:50:59.199
<v Speaker 1>found out what was really going on about this, he

580
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:02.360
<v Speaker 1>could just say, oh, actually it's not me. Gerald's in

581
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:08.920
<v Speaker 1>charge of everything. Fucking go find Gerald. But so, Jerald

582
00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:15.119
<v Speaker 1>Richards was described as calm, cool, collected, friendly, and supposedly

583
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:19.800
<v Speaker 1>as some kind of fucking magician. He was a gym

584
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:24.280
<v Speaker 1>teacher at a Catholic school, and he would go to

585
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:28.039
<v Speaker 1>birthday parties and shit like John Wayne Gacy, these weird

586
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:32.679
<v Speaker 1>church events and do magic shows for people. If you

587
00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:38.000
<v Speaker 1>find adult men going to children's birthday parties and dressing

588
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:40.039
<v Speaker 1>up doing magic shows, I don't care if they say

589
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:42.639
<v Speaker 1>they're fucking Spider Man or whatever, or you think you

590
00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:45.760
<v Speaker 1>know that guy because he goes to your church. Hello.

591
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:51.440
<v Speaker 1>BTK was also a Boyscout camp leader and a church deacon.

592
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:55.679
<v Speaker 1>Listen to me, people, when you find adult men getting

593
00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:59.840
<v Speaker 1>involved with some weird fucking magic show clown shit putting

594
00:51:59.880 --> 00:52:04.360
<v Speaker 1>on little fucking parties for kids, you need to start

595
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:08.079
<v Speaker 1>questioning why the fuck they're interested in that? All right?

596
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:14.079
<v Speaker 1>But so, he was supposed to be like a great talker,

597
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:17.159
<v Speaker 1>and he was funny. Everybody loved him, and he did

598
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:21.519
<v Speaker 1>his freaking magic tricks and shit. And when the parents

599
00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:25.239
<v Speaker 1>when they met mister Richards, they didn't see a predator.

600
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:31.320
<v Speaker 1>They saw an exceptionally structured adult who understood kids. He

601
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:36.639
<v Speaker 1>was someone who talked about discipline and self awareness and

602
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:44.360
<v Speaker 1>personal growth, and he spoke in that soft, confident way

603
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:49.719
<v Speaker 1>that made people feel stupid for even questioning him. And

604
00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:53.199
<v Speaker 1>he was so trusted in the community that oftentimes families

605
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:57.920
<v Speaker 1>would have problems, like with their teenage sons, and they'd say, oh,

606
00:52:58.039 --> 00:52:59.920
<v Speaker 1>let's go talk to mister Richards.

607
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:02.159
<v Speaker 3>Right.

608
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, all the while he was secretly running train on

609
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:13.280
<v Speaker 1>all their boys at Pedo Island. So Richards understood that

610
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:18.119
<v Speaker 1>children who felt like they were breaking the rules might tell.

611
00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:23.239
<v Speaker 1>So the thing is get children to believe that they're

612
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:27.719
<v Speaker 1>following the rules, so they'll stay pretty quiet. So he

613
00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:32.400
<v Speaker 1>confused the boys with thinking basically like getting a sweaty

614
00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:38.039
<v Speaker 1>bee hole rub was just a bonding exercise and shit

615
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:42.159
<v Speaker 1>like that. They started changing the language around this stuff.

616
00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:46.039
<v Speaker 1>So when they came home and they were like, it's

617
00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:50.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of I felt really uncomfortable when mister Richards was

618
00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:55.239
<v Speaker 1>doing bonding exercises with me. The parents are sitting there

619
00:53:55.239 --> 00:53:58.960
<v Speaker 1>thinking like, oh, well, that's just personal growth, babe. It's

620
00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:02.320
<v Speaker 1>everything's fine, that's just part of personal growth. It's a

621
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:09.519
<v Speaker 1>bonding exercise. Never mind that the bonding exercise was mister

622
00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Richards lubing up their kids. Be all right. So, and

623
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:19.880
<v Speaker 1>these pictures that were being taken of these children in

624
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:24.719
<v Speaker 1>compromising situations were being marketed and sold to people whose

625
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:30.440
<v Speaker 1>names never got revealed, and they were buying the pictures

626
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:36.280
<v Speaker 1>of these naked young men and that just wasn't doing

627
00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:40.960
<v Speaker 1>it for him anymore. So the photographs became film, and

628
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:45.559
<v Speaker 1>then it was photographs in film that became the product

629
00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:53.199
<v Speaker 1>of Peto Island. And some boys didn't fully understand at

630
00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:57.280
<v Speaker 1>that time. They just knew they felt wrong, like something

631
00:54:57.400 --> 00:55:02.840
<v Speaker 1>was wrong. Other of the boys were actually scared, but

632
00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:05.199
<v Speaker 1>they didn't know what the fuck to do with that fear,

633
00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:10.199
<v Speaker 1>and most of the adults around them reinforced the silence,

634
00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:14.159
<v Speaker 1>and the adults would say like, this is normal, you're

635
00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:18.559
<v Speaker 1>overthinking it. This is what trust looks like. And basically,

636
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:23.559
<v Speaker 1>on the island, repetition creates reality, right, so you keep

637
00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:28.239
<v Speaker 1>thinking like Oh, this is normal. This is normal. And

638
00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:32.440
<v Speaker 1>that's how methodical all of it was. This was a

639
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:36.960
<v Speaker 1>systematic approach doing exactly what it was designed to do.

640
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:41.440
<v Speaker 1>The island itself wasn't just isolating the boys from the world.

641
00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:46.239
<v Speaker 1>It was creating a product for these guys that ran

642
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:50.159
<v Speaker 1>the place right. And something you'll realize is that on

643
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:54.280
<v Speaker 1>North Fox Island, the adults did things like calling nudy

644
00:55:54.559 --> 00:56:01.119
<v Speaker 1>natural and calling touching trust building, and calling sexual education

645
00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:07.159
<v Speaker 1>and growth, and they would call obedience maturity. So the

646
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:11.679
<v Speaker 1>boys aren't thinking like this adult is abusing me. They're

647
00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:16.719
<v Speaker 1>thinking I'm uncomfortable, but they're telling me it's normal, and

648
00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:22.679
<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm just the weird one. And for fucking years,

649
00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:26.719
<v Speaker 1>this system held up, and these guys went undetected by

650
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:32.320
<v Speaker 1>law enforcement for literally years they were able to operate.

651
00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:37.599
<v Speaker 1>Most boys didn't talk at all. Some tried, but they

652
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:41.039
<v Speaker 1>were pretty quickly dismissed, and some just buried it in

653
00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:45.159
<v Speaker 1>their subconscious wiped it out. But I found a clip,

654
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:47.440
<v Speaker 1>and I want to play this clip of a man

655
00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:50.679
<v Speaker 1>who survived Peto Island.

656
00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:55.000
<v Speaker 4>We found one of the original kids who was on

657
00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:59.239
<v Speaker 4>that island, and we found him through a mistake he

658
00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:03.960
<v Speaker 4>knew Francis Sheldon, Gerald Richards Dire Grossman, and he testified

659
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:08.400
<v Speaker 4>against them. At the age of only fifteen, he found

660
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:11.360
<v Speaker 4>himself in the middle of a real life conspiracy.

661
00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:14.719
<v Speaker 1>We gave him a call and he had a lot

662
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:15.159
<v Speaker 1>to say.

663
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:19.920
<v Speaker 4>Michael is a down to earth guy, no pretensions, and

664
00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:22.400
<v Speaker 4>he makes no bones about telling the story of what

665
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:25.079
<v Speaker 4>happened to him back in the nineteen seventies.

666
00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:29.880
<v Speaker 3>You know, I was out with my shovel twelve years

667
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:32.760
<v Speaker 3>old and I come across Jerry Richard's house, who's actually

668
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:35.920
<v Speaker 3>a couple of blocks down. He seemed like a really

669
00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:39.519
<v Speaker 3>nice guy, and I saw this Irock gave me five bucks.

670
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:42.679
<v Speaker 3>He told me he was a magician and showed me

671
00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:45.920
<v Speaker 3>a couple of magic tricks. I actually met his wife

672
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:50.320
<v Speaker 3>and his child and we became friends. Nothing was going

673
00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:54.360
<v Speaker 3>on at first, and then he worked for the YMCA,

674
00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:59.280
<v Speaker 3>and he was a school teacher, a priest, a hypnotist,

675
00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:03.639
<v Speaker 3>a magician in a clown and he even taught that stuff.

676
00:58:03.639 --> 00:58:07.599
<v Speaker 3>He taught photography at the YMCA. He was teaching witchcraft

677
00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:11.239
<v Speaker 3>at YMCA. I actually got an award that I still

678
00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:14.760
<v Speaker 3>had to this very day. I don't know why. For Wicca,

679
00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:19.000
<v Speaker 3>which that was kind of strange. My mother wasn't happy

680
00:58:19.039 --> 00:58:22.199
<v Speaker 3>about that at how. She didn't want him showing me

681
00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:25.440
<v Speaker 3>anything about Wicca and stuff, and was just left it

682
00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:27.000
<v Speaker 3>more of a mystery to me.

683
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:33.639
<v Speaker 4>So when Gerald Richards asked you to be his assistant

684
00:58:33.800 --> 00:58:37.480
<v Speaker 4>in his magic act at twelve years or thirteen, who

685
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:38.400
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't want to do that?

686
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:42.280
<v Speaker 3>It was cool. I mean, I'm going to be a

687
00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:47.639
<v Speaker 3>magician's assistant. And I actually even raised his dubs, teaching

688
00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:49.280
<v Speaker 3>him how to be stuffed in a hat so they

689
00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:52.079
<v Speaker 3>could pop out, you know, during the magic trick. And

690
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:55.159
<v Speaker 3>it just started out with you know, the hugs, you know,

691
00:58:55.480 --> 00:58:58.719
<v Speaker 3>the squeeze is the right friend, and then you know,

692
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:00.960
<v Speaker 3>like I said, he was in theography. The next thing,

693
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:07.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm taking pictures and stuff. They were nude pictures.

694
00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:12.280
<v Speaker 3>A lot of it was bondage. He had the magic

695
00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:15.559
<v Speaker 3>ropes that we'd us in our magic tricks where he

696
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:17.559
<v Speaker 3>would tie me up with the ropes and then I

697
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:20.920
<v Speaker 3>would escape from him when we're doing magic shows. Well,

698
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:27.519
<v Speaker 3>he would also use those ropes doing pornography pictures. Porn pictures,

699
00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:31.199
<v Speaker 3>you know, Coluse, He explained me, we couldn't talk about it.

700
00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:35.440
<v Speaker 3>Then you know, it got worse. Other kids got involved

701
00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:40.239
<v Speaker 3>and he had us taking pictures and it wasn't much

702
00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:44.480
<v Speaker 3>longer after that started talking about his friends they see

703
00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:46.760
<v Speaker 3>my pictures and they wanted to meet me and stuff

704
00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:49.920
<v Speaker 3>like that. Within six months and knowing him, I was

705
00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:57.880
<v Speaker 3>already into child prostitution. We would be either going to

706
00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:01.039
<v Speaker 3>a church to do a magic show to where there

707
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:04.480
<v Speaker 3>would be a preacher or a priest or a clergyman

708
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:08.599
<v Speaker 3>of some sort there that you know, I would be

709
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:14.280
<v Speaker 3>sold to. There's places where I've had to go where

710
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:15.320
<v Speaker 3>there were other kids.

711
01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:19.360
<v Speaker 4>This is the hard part for people to understand, and

712
01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:21.679
<v Speaker 4>they're going to think whatever they're going to think. But

713
01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:26.360
<v Speaker 4>when you're that age and then you get into something

714
01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:30.239
<v Speaker 4>that you go, I can't tell my parents what I'm into.

715
01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:32.960
<v Speaker 1>You're kind of in for a penny, in for a pound, right.

716
01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:36.400
<v Speaker 3>It was so difficult because the guilt I felt. I

717
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:38.199
<v Speaker 3>couldn't even look my dad in the eye when I

718
01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:40.800
<v Speaker 3>would come home, or my mom. I mean, it was

719
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:42.480
<v Speaker 3>easier to deal with my mom, but my dad, I

720
01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:43.800
<v Speaker 3>couldn't even really look at him.

721
01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:48.159
<v Speaker 4>And all the while, your parents and everybody thought you

722
01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:51.280
<v Speaker 4>were just Gerald Richards's magic show assistant.

723
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:56.280
<v Speaker 3>Yep, Jerry Richards. He had everybody duke. I mean, my

724
01:00:56.400 --> 01:01:00.039
<v Speaker 3>mom loved the guy. My dad thought he was a

725
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:02.719
<v Speaker 3>little weird, but he really liked them. I mean, everybody

726
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:06.159
<v Speaker 3>liked Jerry, all the neighbors. Nobody knew nothing about that

727
01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:10.960
<v Speaker 3>pedophile stuff or even suspected anything like that. I mean,

728
01:01:11.639 --> 01:01:13.719
<v Speaker 3>at twelve years old, this guy was training to meet

729
01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:14.679
<v Speaker 3>how to.

730
01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:18.239
<v Speaker 4>Be you know, did you ever want to tell your parents?

731
01:01:18.280 --> 01:01:20.360
<v Speaker 4>Do you ever want to say one day, hey, mom,

732
01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:20.760
<v Speaker 4>guess what?

733
01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:28.519
<v Speaker 3>No? No, No, I could never do that. I don't

734
01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:32.880
<v Speaker 3>think I could everyone up and told them today. You

735
01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:35.599
<v Speaker 3>would hope that your kids would. I'm not so sure

736
01:01:35.639 --> 01:01:38.320
<v Speaker 3>if they would. When they do get older, they'll come

737
01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:42.599
<v Speaker 3>tell you, though. Yeah, they'll tell you everything when they're older,

738
01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:43.840
<v Speaker 3>if you're close with your family.

739
01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:46.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

740
01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:50.000
<v Speaker 4>So, Michael, were you sex trafficked?

741
01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:54.000
<v Speaker 3>For sure? That's what it was all about. I mean,

742
01:01:54.159 --> 01:01:58.400
<v Speaker 3>particularly at the Magic convention. We met up with Sheldon,

743
01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:02.239
<v Speaker 3>and there was some sex acts during that time too,

744
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:04.559
<v Speaker 3>But nine out of ten out of times when we

745
01:02:04.599 --> 01:02:07.559
<v Speaker 3>were out of town, I would literally be going to

746
01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:12.719
<v Speaker 3>campgrounds here in Michigan and in Tennessee, and then there's

747
01:02:13.159 --> 01:02:17.440
<v Speaker 3>the Island. I was all over the place. Now I

748
01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:19.280
<v Speaker 3>think back, a lot of really bad things happen in

749
01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:21.599
<v Speaker 3>the Detroit area.

750
01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:24.039
<v Speaker 4>So, Michael, how did you first meet Francis Sheldon.

751
01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:29.039
<v Speaker 3>I guess Sheldon met up with Richard somehow through passing

752
01:02:29.079 --> 01:02:32.320
<v Speaker 3>my pictures and other churches pictures arounds through the post office,

753
01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:35.599
<v Speaker 3>and I remember I'm telling me all about Sheldon. All

754
01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:39.039
<v Speaker 3>this guy's rich you Olton Island. He's a really nice guy.

755
01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:43.079
<v Speaker 3>And the first time I actually met Sheldon, it would

756
01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:47.239
<v Speaker 3>needed to be at the campgrounds all and Jerry used

757
01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:51.119
<v Speaker 3>to have a doctor's office too import here on where

758
01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:56.159
<v Speaker 3>he would do like massages and stuff, but I'd probably

759
01:02:56.199 --> 01:03:02.639
<v Speaker 3>call it something different today. I met with sheldonan there before,

760
01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:07.920
<v Speaker 3>met with him a few times, and they felt comfortable

761
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:11.960
<v Speaker 3>enough to where Jerry wanted dinner just Shelton to my parents.

762
01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:15.800
<v Speaker 3>So Frank came over with Jerry and we all had

763
01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:19.760
<v Speaker 3>dinner together, my parents and them, and Frank Shalldon was

764
01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:23.599
<v Speaker 3>telling my parents who he is and what he does.

765
01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:28.599
<v Speaker 4>Sheldon had dinner with your parents, you the Gerald Richards

766
01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:33.119
<v Speaker 4>Sheldonner your parents did do? Sitting there knowing what's the

767
01:03:33.159 --> 01:03:37.159
<v Speaker 4>reality of this. People listening to this will be absolutely

768
01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:43.880
<v Speaker 4>shocked to hear this, that you that this scenario was happening.

769
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:48.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I guess, you know, back in them days,

770
01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:53.000
<v Speaker 3>people were more trusting. Sheldon took my entire family for

771
01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:55.880
<v Speaker 3>a flight over the Blue Water Bridge one time. He

772
01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:58.960
<v Speaker 3>was over for dinner and everybody got to fly in

773
01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:03.280
<v Speaker 3>his airplane. So, oh, everybody loved Shelton. That guy was cool.

774
01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:07.400
<v Speaker 4>So your parents gave them provision that you could go

775
01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:10.440
<v Speaker 4>to the island because it was a camp that was

776
01:04:10.480 --> 01:04:13.039
<v Speaker 4>there for underprivileged boys or to give boys a chance.

777
01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:16.559
<v Speaker 4>How many kids were on that island? Can you recall

778
01:04:17.480 --> 01:04:19.440
<v Speaker 4>ten to forty twenty?

779
01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:23.920
<v Speaker 3>Well, now there was probably six to eight of us

780
01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:26.280
<v Speaker 3>out there. Some of the kids they didn't have no

781
01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:29.039
<v Speaker 3>clue what these guys were about. I think they were

782
01:04:29.039 --> 01:04:32.719
<v Speaker 3>being sculpted, bringing the island to get them all excited

783
01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:36.159
<v Speaker 3>and stuff, and they would try grooming them. At that point,

784
01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:38.199
<v Speaker 3>some of the kids knew exactly what was going on.

785
01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:41.079
<v Speaker 3>Those were the kids that you know to take photos with.

786
01:04:42.199 --> 01:04:43.079
<v Speaker 4>And how old were you.

787
01:04:43.719 --> 01:04:47.159
<v Speaker 3>Well, it all happened between the age of twelve and fifteen.

788
01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:50.920
<v Speaker 3>I was in Ziver's training at fifteen and when it ended,

789
01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:54.599
<v Speaker 3>that's when the detectives came to talk to me and

790
01:04:55.760 --> 01:04:59.400
<v Speaker 3>put fear of God in me. So he had, you know,

791
01:04:59.480 --> 01:05:02.159
<v Speaker 3>two and a half three years to groom me. I

792
01:05:02.159 --> 01:05:03.440
<v Speaker 3>guess that's the word rios.

793
01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:08.480
<v Speaker 4>How did the North Fox Island fall apart?

794
01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:13.199
<v Speaker 3>He and Eddie? And I guess they hurt Eddie Richards

795
01:05:13.320 --> 01:05:18.920
<v Speaker 3>or Sheldon Sideomize Daddy. I think that he was only

796
01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:23.440
<v Speaker 3>eight or ninety years old, and they heard him and

797
01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:30.119
<v Speaker 3>Eddie's mom got the police involved, and after Eddie the

798
01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:33.639
<v Speaker 3>police came to question me and but fear of God

799
01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:33.920
<v Speaker 3>in me.

800
01:05:36.039 --> 01:05:39.400
<v Speaker 4>Here's what's really scary about what happened next. When the

801
01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:42.679
<v Speaker 4>police questioned Michael, they didn't bring a social worker or

802
01:05:42.719 --> 01:05:47.079
<v Speaker 4>a guidance counselor Instead, they treated him like a criminal.

803
01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:51.280
<v Speaker 4>Now imagine being fifteen years old. They pulled you out

804
01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:54.119
<v Speaker 4>of the driver's ed class, put you in an empty

805
01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:57.920
<v Speaker 4>classroom alone, and get in your face telling you you're

806
01:05:57.960 --> 01:06:01.400
<v Speaker 4>going to jail for a life if you don't confess.

807
01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:06.920
<v Speaker 4>Confess to what this idea Michael was complicit in the

808
01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:11.400
<v Speaker 4>boys Camp scam surface years later. Gerald Richards gave interviews

809
01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:14.960
<v Speaker 4>from prison, singing Michael's praises like he was a business

810
01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:18.599
<v Speaker 4>partner and not a fifteen year old boy. If there's

811
01:06:18.679 --> 01:06:22.760
<v Speaker 4>one thing I've learned about pedophiles, you can't always believe

812
01:06:22.800 --> 01:06:25.320
<v Speaker 4>them when they tell you the kid is in on it.

813
01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:27.519
<v Speaker 3>And the first thing I did when I got home

814
01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:31.000
<v Speaker 3>was called Jerry Richards and told them please, Sir questioned me.

815
01:06:32.239 --> 01:06:34.760
<v Speaker 3>That's when the wils really started turning, and it was

816
01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:37.159
<v Speaker 3>an gun hold. They were going to arrest everybody, and

817
01:06:37.159 --> 01:06:40.360
<v Speaker 3>everybody's going to be They're all going to yeil. They

818
01:06:40.360 --> 01:06:42.840
<v Speaker 3>gave Jerry Richards eighteen months. They let them out, the

819
01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:46.920
<v Speaker 3>freaks go, and my dad knew all the detectives, and

820
01:06:47.639 --> 01:06:51.119
<v Speaker 3>I think that the detectives told my dad mom something.

821
01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:53.480
<v Speaker 3>My mom was so scared she wanted me out at

822
01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:56.719
<v Speaker 3>her sister in laws in California. They knew that these

823
01:06:56.719 --> 01:06:59.840
<v Speaker 3>guys were powerful that were molesting me in that anything

824
01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:00.639
<v Speaker 3>it happened.

825
01:07:01.400 --> 01:07:05.159
<v Speaker 4>This was a much bigger ring with tentacles in a

826
01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:08.239
<v Speaker 4>lot of places. But when did you realize he was

827
01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:09.880
<v Speaker 4>attached to something much bigger?

828
01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:14.519
<v Speaker 3>That would be in the early eighties. I got an

829
01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:16.679
<v Speaker 3>attorney involved, and that's when I was dealing with a

830
01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:22.519
<v Speaker 3>prosecutor because he wanted to at the date shout and

831
01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:25.840
<v Speaker 3>he said they knew where a girlsman was too, and

832
01:07:25.880 --> 01:07:28.880
<v Speaker 3>he wanted to bring him both to justice. And that's

833
01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:35.800
<v Speaker 3>when I started thinking. And that next three or four weeks,

834
01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:39.920
<v Speaker 3>things just started aspiring and out of control, and I

835
01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:43.760
<v Speaker 3>got angry. I got really angry. That's when I realized, Hey,

836
01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:46.440
<v Speaker 3>what the hell was Jerry doing to me? And what

837
01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:48.639
<v Speaker 3>was he doing? What was I doing? You know, I

838
01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:51.360
<v Speaker 3>had to question myself what was going on.

839
01:08:06.480 --> 01:08:09.320
<v Speaker 4>Over the years, Michael's desire for some kind of justice

840
01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:13.519
<v Speaker 4>has not diminished, It's only grown. Just like we trusted

841
01:08:13.559 --> 01:08:17.199
<v Speaker 4>our camp counselors, we trusted the institutions and charities that

842
01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:21.239
<v Speaker 4>received state funds to care for kids, so did Michael Farquhar,

843
01:08:21.680 --> 01:08:25.319
<v Speaker 4>and so did his parents. Michael and the kids at

844
01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:30.560
<v Speaker 4>that camp, like his younger friend Eddie, were carefully chosen, groomed,

845
01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:35.119
<v Speaker 4>given perks, money, and then trapped by their own guilt

846
01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:38.800
<v Speaker 4>and shame. And because the guy running the island was

847
01:08:38.920 --> 01:08:44.800
<v Speaker 4>rich and influential, he got away with it. Did Gerald

848
01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:45.720
<v Speaker 4>ever say it was sorry?

849
01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:53.439
<v Speaker 3>No? Nobody said sorry, no, no. These pedophiles are not

850
01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:56.039
<v Speaker 3>sorry for what they do. We just don't understand why

851
01:08:56.079 --> 01:08:59.520
<v Speaker 3>they do it, that's all, you know. And we're supposed

852
01:08:59.520 --> 01:08:59.880
<v Speaker 3>to live with that.

853
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:03.479
<v Speaker 4>We took Michael back to North Fox Island and he

854
01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:06.119
<v Speaker 4>went into the bunk house, which was one of the

855
01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:10.560
<v Speaker 4>places where he was abused. As you've heard, Michael is

856
01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:14.000
<v Speaker 4>very polite and soft spoken, but when he re entered

857
01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:17.640
<v Speaker 4>that bunk house, forty years of anger surfaced.

858
01:09:20.319 --> 01:09:27.000
<v Speaker 3>I was molested in this room. Yeah, this uh lot?

859
01:09:27.039 --> 01:09:28.319
<v Speaker 3>How bad things happen here?

860
01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:35.600
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there was a time that I'd burnt this whole

861
01:09:35.640 --> 01:09:40.760
<v Speaker 5>island right to the ground, spent.

862
01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:42.720
<v Speaker 3>My whole life on and killed myself over THEE.

863
01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:46.880
<v Speaker 5>Just to put the pain away, to make the memories

864
01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:51.800
<v Speaker 5>go away. And why am I trying to remember thee?

865
01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:55.960
<v Speaker 5>We need to take a break, guys, Yes, sure, No,

866
01:09:56.239 --> 01:09:57.399
<v Speaker 5>he's starting to hallucinate.

867
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:03.399
<v Speaker 4>Michael wanted to go back and face those demons, and

868
01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:06.640
<v Speaker 4>it took a lot of courage for him to do that. Michael,

869
01:10:06.680 --> 01:10:09.600
<v Speaker 4>when did you actually start to deal with what happened

870
01:10:09.640 --> 01:10:10.039
<v Speaker 4>back then?

871
01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:15.119
<v Speaker 3>The eighties were really scary for me when the prosecutor

872
01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:19.399
<v Speaker 3>came to me and started talking to me about what

873
01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:23.399
<v Speaker 3>took place in the seventies. And at that point, my

874
01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:33.399
<v Speaker 3>first child was about to be born, and wow, remember

875
01:10:33.479 --> 01:10:38.439
<v Speaker 3>what was going on in the seventies. It kind of

876
01:10:38.439 --> 01:10:45.199
<v Speaker 3>messed me up. There was a time with my snific

877
01:10:45.239 --> 01:10:48.840
<v Speaker 3>the other at the time with my first child, where

878
01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:51.760
<v Speaker 3>she said that I was talking in my sleep all

879
01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:54.399
<v Speaker 3>the time and fighting in my sleep. She says that

880
01:10:55.039 --> 01:11:02.760
<v Speaker 3>I speak different languages, I want sleep. And there was

881
01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:06.800
<v Speaker 3>some really rough time. So I started seeing therapist and

882
01:11:07.399 --> 01:11:13.760
<v Speaker 3>telling them the stories. They didn't believe me. I don't

883
01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:16.760
<v Speaker 3>even think the prosecutors when I tried telling them, I

884
01:11:16.760 --> 01:11:21.520
<v Speaker 3>think they thought I was crazy too, But it was bad.

885
01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:24.840
<v Speaker 3>They knew, they knew something happened with Shlodon and Richards

886
01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:28.399
<v Speaker 3>and stopping, and all of Richards were somewhat prosecuted. I mean,

887
01:11:29.479 --> 01:11:31.319
<v Speaker 3>I don't even think she did two years. I think

888
01:11:31.359 --> 01:11:34.159
<v Speaker 3>he did eighteen months.

889
01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:44.399
<v Speaker 1>Pretty rough stuff there, and it's really really sad. But

890
01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:49.640
<v Speaker 1>how does this story end? So on July twenty third,

891
01:11:49.720 --> 01:11:53.680
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy six, Gerald Richards was finally arrested and charged

892
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:59.520
<v Speaker 1>with criminal sexual conduct involving a minor Now on the island.

893
01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:04.199
<v Speaker 1>These boys were made to get completely naked, forced to

894
01:12:04.239 --> 01:12:08.239
<v Speaker 1>get an erection, and then they measured their fucking penises

895
01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:12.439
<v Speaker 1>and told them that they were sizing them for jockstraps,

896
01:12:13.800 --> 01:12:18.199
<v Speaker 1>and it was this one incident that finally drew the

897
01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:23.399
<v Speaker 1>attention of police. But while police were still doing their

898
01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:30.560
<v Speaker 1>paperwork on Richard's regarding the jockstrap measuring, something was already

899
01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:38.279
<v Speaker 1>taking place on North Fox Island. Suddenly flights increased, files moved,

900
01:12:38.399 --> 01:12:44.520
<v Speaker 1>and cabinets were emptied. It was a very strategic clean up,

901
01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:49.439
<v Speaker 1>and the timing is very important here because when law

902
01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:54.239
<v Speaker 1>and finally turned towards Sheldon and the island, the trail

903
01:12:54.399 --> 01:12:59.520
<v Speaker 1>was already cooling. Richards, facing real fucking prison time, began

904
01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:06.000
<v Speaker 1>like a fucking canary and started saying all this shit

905
01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:10.119
<v Speaker 1>was actually Sheldon, and that the camp was afront and

906
01:13:10.199 --> 01:13:15.279
<v Speaker 1>it was actually a production site, and he admitted that

907
01:13:15.479 --> 01:13:19.399
<v Speaker 1>North Fox Island wasn't just a place where abuse happened,

908
01:13:20.279 --> 01:13:25.399
<v Speaker 1>it was a place where abuse was manufactured. When Michigan

909
01:13:25.479 --> 01:13:30.520
<v Speaker 1>State Police finally rated North Fox Island, expectations were extremely high.

910
01:13:31.159 --> 01:13:35.399
<v Speaker 1>Based on witness statements alone. Investigators were expecting to find

911
01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:42.199
<v Speaker 1>enough evidence to dismantle an entire network. Films, photographs, movies,

912
01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:47.560
<v Speaker 1>lists of names, people purchasing this child, pornography, financial records,

913
01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:51.239
<v Speaker 1>proof of who visited the island, proof of who paid

914
01:13:51.840 --> 01:13:57.479
<v Speaker 1>and of who knew. But what they found instead was

915
01:13:57.960 --> 01:14:05.359
<v Speaker 1>literally nothing. The buildings were there, the trails, the airstrip,

916
01:14:06.319 --> 01:14:11.279
<v Speaker 1>but the shelves were completely empty, the cabinet's bear drawers

917
01:14:11.319 --> 01:14:15.439
<v Speaker 1>cleaned out. Whatever had been stored there was completely gone.

918
01:14:16.199 --> 01:14:20.640
<v Speaker 1>And that's the moment when this case turned from horrifying

919
01:14:21.439 --> 01:14:27.319
<v Speaker 1>to infuriating, because yes, people, they got away with it.

920
01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Only fucking Richards went to prison. One guy and he

921
01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:39.960
<v Speaker 1>only served ten years. Francis Sheldon, Sure, yeah, he was charged,

922
01:14:40.359 --> 01:14:44.399
<v Speaker 1>but he was never tried in court. He was actually

923
01:14:44.439 --> 01:14:49.800
<v Speaker 1>declared mentally unfit. It's all in who you know people,

924
01:14:50.479 --> 01:14:54.079
<v Speaker 1>all right, And he left the country and he lived

925
01:14:54.079 --> 01:14:59.319
<v Speaker 1>out his days in Amsterdam, where he died. And the buyers,

926
01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:03.560
<v Speaker 1>the people that bought all the child pornography, they were

927
01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:08.439
<v Speaker 1>never publicly named, they were never charged, they were never

928
01:15:08.680 --> 01:15:13.680
<v Speaker 1>exposed for a case that produced literally thousands of images

929
01:15:13.840 --> 01:15:19.800
<v Speaker 1>and films. The complete lack of downstream accountability is fucking sickening.

930
01:15:21.159 --> 01:15:25.000
<v Speaker 1>There was no public outcry for these children for what

931
01:15:25.119 --> 01:15:28.560
<v Speaker 1>they had gone through. And it's because the people that

932
01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:33.439
<v Speaker 1>were indulging in the material being manufactured on Pedo Island

933
01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:37.000
<v Speaker 1>were people with a lot of fucking money, and the

934
01:15:37.039 --> 01:15:40.760
<v Speaker 1>people that were partaking that were fucking flying to the

935
01:15:40.840 --> 01:15:45.159
<v Speaker 1>island and abusing these children that were buying the content

936
01:15:45.319 --> 01:15:49.399
<v Speaker 1>that was coming from this island. They were still out

937
01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:54.279
<v Speaker 1>there and they wanted this to fucking disappear. But it

938
01:15:54.319 --> 01:15:58.920
<v Speaker 1>doesn't change the fact that this was and probably still

939
01:15:59.079 --> 01:16:03.000
<v Speaker 1>is a complete network. You don't produce that much child

940
01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:07.399
<v Speaker 1>pornography material for just two fucking dudes. You don't build

941
01:16:07.479 --> 01:16:12.560
<v Speaker 1>the infrastructure, and you don't document the abuse and distribute

942
01:16:12.640 --> 01:16:16.439
<v Speaker 1>it without a market, and you don't clean out an

943
01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:20.960
<v Speaker 1>island that thoroughly one man being incarcerated the other not

944
01:16:21.680 --> 01:16:26.800
<v Speaker 1>unless you know exactly what you are protecting. It is

945
01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:32.720
<v Speaker 1>a network of horrible ritual abuse, just like we see

946
01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:35.880
<v Speaker 1>over and over and over and over again. But it

947
01:16:35.920 --> 01:16:40.399
<v Speaker 1>gets covered up because the people partaking in it are

948
01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:45.319
<v Speaker 1>fucking political socialites, people with money and people that can

949
01:16:45.399 --> 01:16:49.039
<v Speaker 1>make this go away. And it's gonna keep fucking happening.

950
01:16:49.640 --> 01:16:53.640
<v Speaker 1>It's never gonna stop happening as long as human beings

951
01:16:53.880 --> 01:16:58.399
<v Speaker 1>are breathing. Children and young adults are going to be

952
01:16:58.920 --> 01:17:02.920
<v Speaker 1>sexually trapped. And I'm sorry it's repulsive, but that is

953
01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:07.600
<v Speaker 1>the world that we live in to this day. North

954
01:17:07.720 --> 01:17:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Fox Island is state owned, mostly empty and mostly overgrown.

955
01:17:12.760 --> 01:17:18.119
<v Speaker 1>The buildings are rotting, the trails are disappearing, The airstrip

956
01:17:18.279 --> 01:17:23.439
<v Speaker 1>is barely visible through grass and brush. Nature is just

957
01:17:23.760 --> 01:17:31.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of naturing over there. Everyone's left the island. There's

958
01:17:32.119 --> 01:17:36.319
<v Speaker 1>no sign that tells you what happened there. There's no memorial,

959
01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:41.840
<v Speaker 1>there's no plaque, there's no acknowledgment whatsoever. This is something

960
01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:44.760
<v Speaker 1>horrific that happened to a lot of young men and

961
01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:49.439
<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of traumatic ritual abuse and a

962
01:17:49.479 --> 01:17:55.600
<v Speaker 1>lot of just the most horrific sexual degrading traumatic abuse

963
01:17:55.680 --> 01:17:58.840
<v Speaker 1>that anyone could ever go through. And it all got

964
01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:03.359
<v Speaker 1>swept under the fucking rug and everyone's names were wiped,

965
01:18:04.479 --> 01:18:12.399
<v Speaker 1>evidence wiped, all of it just gone because naturally, politicians, financiers,

966
01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:16.640
<v Speaker 1>people with money, people with power were the ones partaking

967
01:18:16.760 --> 01:18:21.119
<v Speaker 1>in all of this. There were people flying in, flying

968
01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:25.640
<v Speaker 1>out like there was a constant stream of these scumbags

969
01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:30.560
<v Speaker 1>just like Lolita expressing it sexually assaulting these boys, and

970
01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:34.039
<v Speaker 1>then leave in the island by see you next time,

971
01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:41.319
<v Speaker 1>under no type of law enforcement watch whatsoever. So after

972
01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Richard's arrest, an investigation was carried out by the Michigan

973
01:18:48.159 --> 01:18:56.680
<v Speaker 1>State Police detectives discovered large cachets of child pornography in

974
01:18:56.840 --> 01:19:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Richard's car and his office, some of which was Stampton

975
01:19:01.880 --> 01:19:08.039
<v Speaker 1>envelopes in preparation to be mailed. Also found were lists

976
01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:12.399
<v Speaker 1>of names and addresses of customers, as well as contacts

977
01:19:12.399 --> 01:19:20.560
<v Speaker 1>to other figures in the child pornography and prostitution business. So,

978
01:19:21.359 --> 01:19:26.640
<v Speaker 1>as part of the plea deal, Richards gave law enforcement

979
01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:29.960
<v Speaker 1>a great deal of information in regards to the operation

980
01:19:30.119 --> 01:19:34.279
<v Speaker 1>they were running out of North Fox. He confessed that

981
01:19:34.439 --> 01:19:37.039
<v Speaker 1>children were flown to the island to be filmed in

982
01:19:37.159 --> 01:19:41.920
<v Speaker 1>child pornography and that his partner, some dude named Grossman,

983
01:19:42.600 --> 01:19:46.640
<v Speaker 1>had helped him form the mission and participated in a

984
01:19:46.800 --> 01:19:50.720
<v Speaker 1>child orgy with himself and Sheldon at a holiday inn

985
01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:58.720
<v Speaker 1>in Port here On, Michigan. So, three days after Richards

986
01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:03.000
<v Speaker 1>was arrested, Sheldon's home in ann Arbor was raided by

987
01:20:03.079 --> 01:20:07.880
<v Speaker 1>law enforcement. However, he was not present and all of

988
01:20:07.920 --> 01:20:12.279
<v Speaker 1>his cabinets and drawers had been completely empty prior to

989
01:20:12.399 --> 01:20:16.880
<v Speaker 1>police raiding the property. But the scale of abuse gets big,

990
01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:22.479
<v Speaker 1>and it gets big fast. Eventually you start hearing the

991
01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:28.279
<v Speaker 1>same names over and over and over again, and the

992
01:20:28.319 --> 01:20:32.800
<v Speaker 1>more digging you, do you realize the Michigan abuse ring

993
01:20:33.079 --> 01:20:38.359
<v Speaker 1>went from Francis Sheldon's phony fucking so called Brother Paul's

994
01:20:38.479 --> 01:20:46.479
<v Speaker 1>Children's Mission to another phony camp funded by Sheldon in

995
01:20:46.880 --> 01:20:53.079
<v Speaker 1>another fucking state altogether. This one was in Tennessee, a

996
01:20:53.239 --> 01:20:59.359
<v Speaker 1>place that Francis Sheldon sponsored with his cheeritable donations. So

997
01:20:59.439 --> 01:21:04.199
<v Speaker 1>he funded the cast Corridor network. He obviously funded Pedo Island,

998
01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:07.600
<v Speaker 1>and then he funded this fucking place in Tennessee and

999
01:21:07.640 --> 01:21:13.800
<v Speaker 1>called it a charitable donation. It happens to be in Winchester, Tennessee,

1000
01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:19.399
<v Speaker 1>and it was a place run by a defroct priest

1001
01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:25.560
<v Speaker 1>named Bud vermil And while Sheldon may have escaped in

1002
01:21:25.640 --> 01:21:31.840
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy six, Bud Vermial wasn't so lucky. But the

1003
01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:36.039
<v Speaker 1>reason that Bud Vermial was caught in Tennessee wasn't because

1004
01:21:36.039 --> 01:21:39.720
<v Speaker 1>of Francis Sheldon in the Pedo Island bust. It was

1005
01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:44.439
<v Speaker 1>because of another ring of pedophiles who took over a

1006
01:21:44.520 --> 01:21:50.199
<v Speaker 1>boy Scout troop and used it to launder children nationwide.

1007
01:21:50.840 --> 01:22:00.079
<v Speaker 1>But that's another episode. With all of this in mind,

1008
01:22:00.960 --> 01:22:05.560
<v Speaker 1>everything that I have just presented to you about the

1009
01:22:05.640 --> 01:22:10.680
<v Speaker 1>original Pedo Island about the pedophile networks running in the

1010
01:22:10.720 --> 01:22:18.920
<v Speaker 1>cast corridor. How the Candyman peto murderer in Houston said

1011
01:22:18.920 --> 01:22:21.640
<v Speaker 1>that he was working with a network. John Wayne Gacy

1012
01:22:21.680 --> 01:22:25.279
<v Speaker 1>said he was working with a network. Obviously, the snow

1013
01:22:25.359 --> 01:22:28.560
<v Speaker 1>Boys that were killed as part of the Oakland County

1014
01:22:28.680 --> 01:22:33.239
<v Speaker 1>child murders were connected to this pedo Island. With all

1015
01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:35.880
<v Speaker 1>of that in mind, and then later we have Jeffrey

1016
01:22:35.920 --> 01:22:41.199
<v Speaker 1>Epstein and Lolita expressing it could this go back further

1017
01:22:41.359 --> 01:22:44.560
<v Speaker 1>than we even imagined because this was in the sixties

1018
01:22:44.600 --> 01:22:48.399
<v Speaker 1>and seventies, right, But could it go back further? Is

1019
01:22:48.520 --> 01:22:55.840
<v Speaker 1>there another island we have yet to discover? And for that,

1020
01:22:56.039 --> 01:23:01.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to read you a synopsis from a book

1021
01:23:01.640 --> 01:23:07.199
<v Speaker 1>slash movie that came out in nineteen forty that may

1022
01:23:07.239 --> 01:23:14.359
<v Speaker 1>give us a clue as to if there could have

1023
01:23:14.600 --> 01:23:25.760
<v Speaker 1>been a older pedo Island. Here's the little synopsis. A

1024
01:23:25.760 --> 01:23:31.439
<v Speaker 1>mysterious coachman hires Honest John to find disobedient and naughty

1025
01:23:31.439 --> 01:23:37.479
<v Speaker 1>boys for him to take to Pleasure Island, a notorious

1026
01:23:37.640 --> 01:23:44.640
<v Speaker 1>and infamous place. Honest John, despite the legal risks and

1027
01:23:44.960 --> 01:23:51.119
<v Speaker 1>the coachman's implication of what happens to the boys, accepts

1028
01:23:51.159 --> 01:23:56.920
<v Speaker 1>the job. Out of fear and finds Pinocchio, persuading him

1029
01:23:56.960 --> 01:24:01.720
<v Speaker 1>to take a vacation on Pleasure Island. On the way

1030
01:24:01.840 --> 01:24:07.039
<v Speaker 1>to the island, Pinocchio befriends lamp Wick, a delinquent boy

1031
01:24:08.239 --> 01:24:15.319
<v Speaker 1>at Pleasure Island. Without rules or authority to enforce their activity, Pinocchio,

1032
01:24:15.439 --> 01:24:20.119
<v Speaker 1>lamp Wick, and many other boys soon engage in vices

1033
01:24:20.199 --> 01:24:30.359
<v Speaker 1>such as vandalism, fighting, smoking, and drinking. Jimminy eventually finds

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<v Speaker 1>Pinocchio in a bar smoking and playing pool with lamp Wick,

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<v Speaker 1>and the two have a falling out after Pinocchio defends

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<v Speaker 1>lamp Wick for his actions. As Jimmy tries leaving Pleasure Island,

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01:24:46.319 --> 01:24:51.399
<v Speaker 1>he discovers that the island hides a horrible curse that

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01:24:51.640 --> 01:24:58.439
<v Speaker 1>transforms the boys into donkeys after making jack asses out

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01:24:58.479 --> 01:25:04.119
<v Speaker 1>of themselves, and they are sold by the coachman into

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<v Speaker 1>slave labor. Pinocchio witnesses lamp Wick transform into a donkey,

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<v Speaker 1>and with Jimmy's help, he flees before he can be

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01:25:15.119 --> 01:25:20.119
<v Speaker 1>fully transformed himself, though he still has a donkey's ears

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01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:26.039
<v Speaker 1>and tail. Upon returning home, Pinocchio and Jimminy find Geppetto's

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01:25:26.119 --> 01:25:31.239
<v Speaker 1>workshop deserted and obtain a letter from the Blue Faery

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<v Speaker 1>in the form of a dove, stating that Geppetto had

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01:25:35.399 --> 01:25:39.560
<v Speaker 1>set out to see and search for Pinocchio on Pleasure Island,

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01:25:40.159 --> 01:25:45.520
<v Speaker 1>but got swallowed by a gigantic, a vicious sperm whale

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01:25:46.640 --> 01:25:54.840
<v Speaker 1>called Monstro. So, for those of you who have watched Pinocchio,

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01:25:56.159 --> 01:25:59.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure all of that is ringing Nabel, you remember

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01:25:59.800 --> 01:26:03.199
<v Speaker 1>this story, sure, And yes they did a live action

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01:26:03.479 --> 01:26:13.479
<v Speaker 1>Pinocchio featuring Tom Hanks. So it's in our faces. And uh,

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01:26:14.960 --> 01:26:22.159
<v Speaker 1>it's clearly obvious to me that this Pleasure Island. People

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01:26:22.680 --> 01:26:29.680
<v Speaker 1>are thinking that it's talking about something epsteinish, but I'm

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01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:34.880
<v Speaker 1>here to tell you it goes back definitely farther than

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01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:39.439
<v Speaker 1>Epstein goes back definitely farther than Francis Sheldon and North

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01:26:39.479 --> 01:26:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Fox Island. What island are they talking about here? Because

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01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:51.079
<v Speaker 1>we know Disney incorporates actual reality, fantasizes it and puts

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01:26:51.079 --> 01:26:54.560
<v Speaker 1>it into our face as if it were a joke.

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01:26:54.760 --> 01:26:58.840
<v Speaker 1>They're laughing at us, and they've been taking our boys

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01:26:58.880 --> 01:27:02.680
<v Speaker 1>to Pleasure Island. This was in the forties. How long

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01:27:02.720 --> 01:27:05.119
<v Speaker 1>have they really been doing this shit? Where's this island?

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01:27:05.199 --> 01:27:09.760
<v Speaker 1>I want to know, I want to know. One day,

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01:27:09.800 --> 01:27:14.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe we'll find out before Little Saint James and before

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01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:19.680
<v Speaker 1>North Fox Island they were taking these boys somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 1>I can be one hundred percent sure of that. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna do it for this episode today, guys, what

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01:27:30.199 --> 01:27:36.399
<v Speaker 1>are your thoughts, your feelings, your opinions, you know, I

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01:27:36.439 --> 01:27:40.720
<v Speaker 1>hope you enjoyed it. And just as a closing thought,

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01:27:41.119 --> 01:27:46.640
<v Speaker 1>this is a really really old Cosmic Peach episode. But uh,

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01:27:46.960 --> 01:27:51.199
<v Speaker 1>if you will entertain me, if you will humor me,

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01:27:52.039 --> 01:27:57.239
<v Speaker 1>go back, go back, back, back, back back in history. Patreon,

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01:27:58.600 --> 01:28:02.319
<v Speaker 1>this is for you because it was a half episode.

1073
01:28:03.199 --> 01:28:06.479
<v Speaker 1>I never published the whole episode. It was only ever

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01:28:06.640 --> 01:28:10.560
<v Speaker 1>available in the short version for free, and Patreon has

1075
01:28:10.840 --> 01:28:16.319
<v Speaker 1>had access to the full episode forever long. But go

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01:28:16.439 --> 01:28:20.760
<v Speaker 1>back and listen. Me and my cousin we talked about

1077
01:28:21.039 --> 01:28:25.399
<v Speaker 1>what could have happened to Johnny Gosh, and I said,

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01:28:25.960 --> 01:28:29.119
<v Speaker 1>I came up with a theory, didn't have any fucking

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01:28:29.199 --> 01:28:32.560
<v Speaker 1>help from anybody. I put this together on my own,

1080
01:28:33.119 --> 01:28:36.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't hear anybody talking about it, didn't see anybody talking

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01:28:36.880 --> 01:28:41.960
<v Speaker 1>about it. I literally just sat there and almost did

1082
01:28:42.079 --> 01:28:47.479
<v Speaker 1>like a fucking detective's web of possible outcomes and Where, what, How? When?

1083
01:28:48.359 --> 01:28:52.039
<v Speaker 1>And a fucking boys camp came up. I'm not gonna

1084
01:28:52.079 --> 01:28:56.239
<v Speaker 1>say anything more about it. Just go back listen to

1085
01:28:56.279 --> 01:29:00.760
<v Speaker 1>the episode. You'll see what I'm saying. What happened to

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01:29:00.840 --> 01:29:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Johnny gosh Er, whatever the fuck I called that episode? Patreon,

1087
01:29:05.439 --> 01:29:09.399
<v Speaker 1>go do it go now. But that's going to do

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01:29:09.439 --> 01:29:12.359
<v Speaker 1>it for us, folks. Thank you so much for listening,

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01:29:13.920 --> 01:29:15.960
<v Speaker 1>and I will catch you on the next one.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, at first when I heard Epstein, he was

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01:29:18.800 --> 01:29:21.520
<v Speaker 3>buried too for a while. You know, he got in

1092
01:29:21.560 --> 01:29:24.079
<v Speaker 3>trouble and it I got buried. Those girls never got

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01:29:24.119 --> 01:29:30.600
<v Speaker 3>no justice. And this is what scares me. You know, theories,

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01:29:31.119 --> 01:29:34.119
<v Speaker 3>you know what I'm saying, and all these rumors that

1095
01:29:34.159 --> 01:29:39.239
<v Speaker 3>we've been caring about our government and politicians. It needs

1096
01:29:39.239 --> 01:29:42.760
<v Speaker 3>to be cleaned. It needs to be cleaned a lot

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01:29:42.760 --> 01:29:45.000
<v Speaker 3>of people. I mean, it's we're going to find out

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01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:49.439
<v Speaker 3>what this Epstein thing, just how bad it is. Yeah,

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01:29:49.560 --> 01:29:53.079
<v Speaker 3>it's ugly, you know what. I sent the governor a

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01:29:53.159 --> 01:29:56.119
<v Speaker 3>letter and I thought it was a pretty good letter.

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01:29:56.159 --> 01:29:58.399
<v Speaker 3>I even had an attorney proof read it. I had

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01:29:58.479 --> 01:30:01.680
<v Speaker 3>another writer read it so it wasn't sounded like I

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01:30:01.760 --> 01:30:05.760
<v Speaker 3>was crazy or something. And I didn't even get a

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01:30:06.039 --> 01:30:08.800
<v Speaker 3>reply from the governor. I didn't get a reply from

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01:30:08.800 --> 01:30:11.479
<v Speaker 3>the state police. I didn't get a reply from the

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01:30:11.560 --> 01:30:14.399
<v Speaker 3>attorney general. They sit in silence.

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01:30:16.359 --> 01:30:17.439
<v Speaker 4>What did you say in your letter?

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01:30:20.199 --> 01:30:23.039
<v Speaker 3>I explained to them, you know, just like I've been

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01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:26.840
<v Speaker 3>saying to you today. You know, I went through different

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01:30:26.840 --> 01:30:30.199
<v Speaker 3>periods of my life in this this whole thing, you know,

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01:30:30.479 --> 01:30:34.159
<v Speaker 3>and I remember the seventies. Who wants to drag the

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01:30:34.159 --> 01:30:37.119
<v Speaker 3>seventies around with them today? But oh yeah, I went

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01:30:37.199 --> 01:30:39.960
<v Speaker 3>back there. You know, I thought that I needed to,

1114
01:30:40.079 --> 01:30:43.560
<v Speaker 3>I had to. But I get just I get so angry.

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01:30:43.600 --> 01:30:47.079
<v Speaker 3>You know, I trusted the police. They couldn't do nothing.

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01:30:47.119 --> 01:30:51.000
<v Speaker 3>They couldn't get these guys. They were too slick. How

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01:30:51.039 --> 01:30:53.960
<v Speaker 3>Come none of these guys had brought to justice. They

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01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:59.239
<v Speaker 3>had help, they had helped getting away. It exactly was

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01:30:59.239 --> 01:31:08.119
<v Speaker 3>helping them. I never had no reason to doubt prosecutors.

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01:31:09.039 --> 01:31:11.439
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I had no reason to doubt that they

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01:31:11.680 --> 01:31:16.800
<v Speaker 3>didn't do their best efforts to get justice. So with

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01:31:16.920 --> 01:31:23.119
<v Speaker 3>that being said, other law officials in other counties, other

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01:31:23.439 --> 01:31:31.439
<v Speaker 3>branches of the government stonelobbed them. They stone lobbed our community.

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01:31:31.640 --> 01:31:33.640
<v Speaker 3>You know, you know, there's got to be an end

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01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:36.880
<v Speaker 3>of this stuff. My attorney, many many years ago, have

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01:31:37.000 --> 01:31:40.520
<v Speaker 3>told me some stories are just too big to be told.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna keep it on my island, my island because

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01:32:00.399 --> 01:32:05.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm Ima Norma. I ain't let bark are y'all trying

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01:32:05.960 --> 01:32:10.640
<v Speaker 1>to make any horma. I ain't live by you based

1130
01:32:10.760 --> 01:32:15.840
<v Speaker 1>on yeah, like a why one man with your taphone.

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01:32:19.199 --> 01:32:22.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna just I live bar. I'm gonna just I

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01:32:22.720 --> 01:32:26.880
<v Speaker 1>live bar. I'm gonna just keep one bar, You're gonna

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01:32:27.119 --> 01:32:31.479
<v Speaker 1>keep nat. I'm gonna be staring at the side. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just
