WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:05.759 Hello, conspiracy players. Welcome to another episode today. I have 2 00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:09.199 back on writer Lee to talk about something that he 3 00:00:09.320 --> 00:00:12.240 teased in the last episode where we were talking about 4 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:15.839 the UFO stuff, and that is none other than his 5 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:19.640 most recent movie, A Clockwork Shining. And I've talked about 6 00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:22.000 it a couple times on this show, so if you 7 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:25.160 haven't watched it, listen to this and then watch it 8 00:00:25.239 --> 00:00:29.359 or vice versa. But it's a killer movie and Laurel 9 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:32.840 Canyon is one of my favorite topics. 10 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:35.200 Just Kubrick in general. 11 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:37.159 And then you even threw some other stuff in there, 12 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:39.119 and we're going to get into all of it. So 13 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:42.240 welcome to the show. Writer, Thanks for coming on once again. 14 00:00:42.799 --> 00:00:44.399 Thanks for having me on. Brother, I really appreciate it, 15 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:47.320 and I'm really happy that you enjoyed the movie and 16 00:00:47.359 --> 00:00:50.799 you liked it. But yeah, it was a passion project, 17 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:53.159 a lot of work, blood, sweat and tears. As we 18 00:00:53.159 --> 00:00:55.399 were talking about before we started the show. I'll put 19 00:00:55.399 --> 00:00:58.320 into the movie, so I hope people after or if 20 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:02.479 they haven't already seen it, they go in support and 21 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:06.200 it's une buy it on Amazon Prime. 22 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:08.560 I would recommend buying it because, like I was telling 23 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:11.120 him earlier before we started recording it, you're just gonna 24 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:14.680 want to watch it again and even maybe more than twice. 25 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:16.040 So just buy the damn thing. 26 00:01:16.959 --> 00:01:20.200 Before we get into a Clark clockwork shining though, I 27 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:22.599 do want to for a moment if you don't mind, 28 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:28.120 pick your brain about JFK because your first movie, JFK 29 00:01:28.519 --> 00:01:31.599 X Solving the Crime of the Century, you and Jay 30 00:01:31.640 --> 00:01:35.760 Widener lay out a theory that I think is probably 31 00:01:35.959 --> 00:01:38.239 cooler than anyone I've ever seen, and it makes the 32 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:40.920 most sense. And I also have in the last few 33 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:44.560 years started swaying in two staged events being more common 34 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:47.000 than actual real events. So it made sense to me 35 00:01:47.439 --> 00:01:49.840 that being said, what do you think is going to 36 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:54.359 happen with these JFK file releases that we're chomping at the. 37 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:57.519 Bit for, just like we were the Epstein files. 38 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:01.400 Well, here is an article from Vanity Fair. This blew 39 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:04.159 my mind because if you've seen JFKX, you know what 40 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:09.639 the theory is and what j Wyiner basically proposes in there. 41 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:13.520 And this Vanity Fair article came out I think November 42 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:16.919 twenty well, November nineteenth, twenty twenty four. Right here is 43 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:18.759 that thinkay real quick before. 44 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:20.319 You say what you're gonna say, do you want to 45 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:22.400 just lay it out in like a brief summary of 46 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:25.599 what that theory is For those who haven't seen it. 47 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:29.159 Well, you can watch it for free on Amazon Prime, 48 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:32.360 Amazon Prime Free V. You can also watch it for 49 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:34.479 free on two B as well, and it's on a 50 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:37.039 bunch of other streaming platforms. So you can just google 51 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:40.439 jfkx and it'll be one of the first things that 52 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:44.759 pop up for people that haven't seen it. We basically 53 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:50.800 theorize that JFK essentially faked his death, and that might 54 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:53.960 sound really outlandish. And that's why I've brought up this 55 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:57.159 Vanity Fair article because I've shown so many people of 56 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:00.879 this Vanity Fair article that are, like, I know a 57 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:03.479 lot about JFK, and they don't even know what to 58 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:08.439 think of this Vanity Fair article that came out. But essentially, 59 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:15.680 Tibbet officer JD. Tibbitt was also assassinated, supposedly by Oswald 60 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:19.719 on the day of the JFK assassination, and he looks 61 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:25.000 almost identical to JFK. He looks so identical that they 62 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:28.240 even called him h oh shit, this is freaking pop up. 63 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:33.319 They even nicknamed him JFK. And that was the whole 64 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:37.120 reason that Oswald was essentially arrested was for the murder 65 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:40.479 of that police officer. Oswald was never arrested for the 66 00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:45.840 assassination of JFK. The public just threw that accusation on 67 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:52.639 him and then he was murdered, right And so we 68 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:57.000 basically surmised that because when you watch this a Bruner film, 69 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:01.360 we have the most clear version of the Zubruter film 70 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:07.000 ever made in our movie JFK X. And there's a 71 00:04:07.039 --> 00:04:10.599 splice in the movie when whenever the limousine goes in 72 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:14.840 behind the freeway signs, there's a cut in the Zubruter film, 73 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:20.040 and whenever it emerges back behind the Stimmens freeway sign, 74 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:23.639 JFK looks like he's putting something on the side of 75 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:26.519 his face. I mean, as clear as day, no one 76 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:29.040 can argue with this. There's something on the side of 77 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:31.839 JFK's face, especially when you see it in high definition, 78 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:38.959 in clear video quality, there's something bulging from the side 79 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:42.800 of JFK's face, and it appears there whenever he puts 80 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:46.439 his hands up like this and he looks like he 81 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:49.759 brushes the side of his face and there's something bulging 82 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:53.680 from the side of his face is not arguable. There's 83 00:04:53.720 --> 00:04:56.639 something on the side of JFK's face. And then whenever 84 00:04:56.800 --> 00:05:01.639 it goes off, you see like this, and we pointed 85 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:05.040 out perfectly in our film, it's like this metal piece 86 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:08.240 just rolls up the side of his cheek and it's 87 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:13.240 even reflecting in the sunlight, and it's just rolling up 88 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:15.560 the side of his face and then it just and 89 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:21.279 it blows off. So this Vanity Fair article is mind 90 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:28.399 blowing because essentially Jackie filmed a fake assassination of JFK 91 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:35.480 two months before the supposed real assassination. This article is wild. 92 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:39.279 I would highly recommend anybody to look up this article. 93 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:41.040 I'm not going to read through it all here, but 94 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:46.160 it basically goes into you know how Jackie staged this 95 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:50.160 fake assassination two months before the supposed real assassination, and 96 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:53.040 that she was all into film and all the Secret 97 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:58.040 Service agents that were there and Dealey Plaza at that 98 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:01.319 time were also a part of this fake assassination that 99 00:06:01.399 --> 00:06:05.160 happened two months before. So it's like, whenever you put 100 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:08.879 two and two together here, it's, uh, things aren't adding 101 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:09.680 up right. 102 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:13.040 And that came out four months ago, that article, Yes, 103 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:17.759 what the fuck. So what are they get to say, Like, 104 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:20.079 when they're supposed to release these JFK files, do you 105 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:21.800 think anything's gonna come up it or it's just going 106 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:23.199 to be more carrot and stick? 107 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:25.839 I mean, I hope. So. I think a lot of 108 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:29.560 people are still focused on the multiple shooter theory. But 109 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:33.079 the multiple shooter theory doesn't even make any sense either, 110 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:38.279 because if there was multiple shooters, that would mean that 111 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:44.879 that would have been happening right behind Zubruter, Like the 112 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:46.800 shots would have had to have been fired right over 113 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:52.720 Zabruterer's head from where he's standing in the gazebo area. There, 114 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:56.160 he would have been ducking, he would have heard something. 115 00:06:56.199 --> 00:07:00.759 He would have been like moving frantically, but his camera 116 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:06.079 steadily on JFK the limousine all the way until the underpass. 117 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:10.839 He's not moving, he's not ducking unless the only position 118 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:14.560 that a second shooter could have been in to hit 119 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:20.000 that trajectory on JFK's head. So the second shooter where 120 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:22.879 he would have to be doesn't make any sense. 121 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:26.560 Yeah, and it almost seems like the multiple shooter theory 122 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:29.360 is part of the syeup because Grassy Know stuff has 123 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:31.800 been laid out for us in our pop culture for. 124 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:33.199 At least the last thirty years. 125 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:36.879 I mean that would make sense because it's just more 126 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:41.279 conspiracy candy to distract from. I think it's more closely 127 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:44.480 to what you guys have put out in your first movie. 128 00:07:44.519 --> 00:07:46.360 So yeah, everybody check that out. 129 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:47.839 And I mean, do you have anything else to say 130 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:50.399 about that before we move on to the main topic. 131 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:57.120 Just watch jfkix with an open mind. I mean, it's 132 00:07:57.199 --> 00:08:02.079 a it sounds wild and outlandish. I mean that's what 133 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:05.480 you know. Some of the detractors and the people that 134 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:08.319 said about whenever the movie just came out, they were like, oh, well, 135 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:10.920 this is this is garbage. There's no way that this 136 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:15.240 could ever happen. And then the Vanity Fair article hits 137 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:18.800 where they're like, they FK filmed a fake assassination two 138 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:21.600 months before the real assassination. So it's shaping up like 139 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:24.759 it's not so crazy, right. 140 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:25.800 Yeah. 141 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:29.920 And I didn't even know this article existed until it's 142 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:31.040 probably been a week or two. 143 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:32.720 I listened to you on the. 144 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:36.279 Occult Rejects with jj Vance and Nick there, and you 145 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:38.480 guys brought it up. So I kind of hoped that 146 00:08:38.600 --> 00:08:41.200 when I prompted you here you talk about that, because 147 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:45.000 I think everybody needs to read that thing, and if 148 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:48.320 you haven't, in tandem at least watched the movie too, 149 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:53.519 because I think that, yeah, whatever they put out, who knows, 150 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:56.960 the Epstein thing was a big flop, so we'll see. 151 00:08:57.000 --> 00:08:59.039 Yeah, a bunch of it was redacted. So I'm sure 152 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:01.480 that that's the way that a lot of these other 153 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:03.440 documents are going to go to. It's a bunch of 154 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:07.399 it's just going to be redacted. I mean, the people 155 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:10.480 that they disclosed in the Epstein documents was like the 156 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:14.000 not the clients, but the contact list. So it was 157 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:18.759 like Michael Jackson and a few other people that were 158 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:21.519 the people that had already been named before, but the 159 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:26.879 client list was completely redacted. So and people are trying 160 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:30.679 to put it out there like that the contact list 161 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:35.120 is the client list, and that's not true. The contact 162 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:37.840 list is different than the client list. The contact person 163 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:40.519 is just somebody that you contact that doesn't necessarily mean 164 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:46.279 that they're a client. But the client list was redacted 165 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:50.559 because they said that those people are victims, which in 166 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:54.559 one sense I understand in a way, But just release it, Broill, 167 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:58.399 just release the whole thing, let us see exactly what 168 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:01.120 was going on, But they're obvious. But this is supposed 169 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:04.120 to be one of three dumps, so maybe we'll get 170 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:05.960 something else in the other dumps. Who knows. 171 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:08.440 The phase thing just reminds me so much of the 172 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:12.399 Twitter files. It's like, why can't we just get a 173 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:15.720 WikiLeaks drop on all of it and then. 174 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:16.200 We can read it. 175 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:19.639 Why do we need a filter of alternative media personalities 176 00:10:19.960 --> 00:10:21.879 who are all sketchy to begin with to be the 177 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:24.519 ones to filter it to us? So yeah, I mean 178 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:27.200 I didn't expect anything but the Dog and Pony show 179 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:31.120 it was something else, and I'm not expecting anything big 180 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:32.080 in the other phases. 181 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:33.919 So we'll see. 182 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:36.159 But I mean, we can have hope. At least he 183 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:39.960 has essentially done what he said that he was going 184 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:42.039 to do. I mean, you know what I mean. He 185 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:45.320 said he was going to release release the files. They're 186 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:48.960 going to be released, So I mean, I can't really 187 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:51.759 complain because I really don't believe that anybody else would 188 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:54.159 have even have brought that up. That would never even 189 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:58.639 have been a talking point for any other candidate, right, 190 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:00.879 So at least he's sticking to a guns and what 191 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:01.960 he said that he was going to do. 192 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:06.159 Yeah, essentially ross Olbrick being free. 193 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:09.000 I never saw that happening ever. 194 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:11.320 I mean I was kind of big into that whole 195 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:12.159 thing when it went down. 196 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:15.519 So yeah, the promise is being kept. I'm all about that. 197 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:20.240 But yeah, let's talk about a Clockwork Shining. And I 198 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:24.480 guess i'll just ask you because I know that Jay 199 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.960 Widner did his moon landing thing about Kubrick, can you 200 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:31.960 guys briefly touch on that in this movie again? Go 201 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:35.240 watch that if you haven't. And what is that one 202 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:36.519 called the Kubrick Code or. 203 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:41.240 Something like that, Cubric's Odyssey, Cubric's Odyssey one and two. 204 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:45.080 Yeah, I think I was thinking of Jay Dyer or 205 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:48.720 Isaac Waisoffer, one of those guys. But yeah, those movies, 206 00:11:49.159 --> 00:11:51.720 and this is kind of like, from what I understand, 207 00:11:51.799 --> 00:11:55.039 it's almost like a trilogy now the way that this 208 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:55.919 has been put out. 209 00:11:56.600 --> 00:11:59.679 Yeah, this one's like a quasi trilogy to that. So 210 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:03.480 the full title, the subtitle is A Cubric's Odyssey three, 211 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:05.759 So the full title is A Clockwork Shining in A 212 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:08.279 Cubric's Odyssey three. So it's kind of like a quality 213 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:11.879 third installment, finishing up those because he was going to 214 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:14.480 originally do a third one. I think he was going 215 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:17.919 to call it Cubriic The Magician or something like that 216 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:19.679 until I came along and I was like, hey, this 217 00:12:19.799 --> 00:12:23.279 is a new theory and I think that it makes 218 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:26.080 one hundred percent sense, and he was like, cool, let's 219 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:29.480 do it, and there it is. So we kind of 220 00:12:29.519 --> 00:12:34.519 made it to wrap up his Kubrick trilogy. So yeah, 221 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:36.320 and I think it only made sense to do because 222 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:38.440 he's already done two other movies on Cubriic, so this 223 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:40.399 one's like the third one. So it kind of wraps 224 00:12:40.399 --> 00:12:41.240 everything up for him. 225 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:45.080 And so you brought this MK ultra type grand scenario 226 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:46.519 to him, this is your baby? 227 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:47.639 Then yes? 228 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:49.039 Nice? All right. 229 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:52.879 Well, so then I'll ask you just about Kubrick in general, 230 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:55.279 because I think there's three things you could say. 231 00:12:56.759 --> 00:12:58.480 He was a bad guy. 232 00:12:59.240 --> 00:13:02.600 He was a tool of disclosure, or he was rogue, 233 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:05.080 and maybe it could be a combination of all three. 234 00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:09.000 I mean, do you have like an overall opinion on 235 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:11.279 what you think he was all about because he's given 236 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:14.120 us so much, but he also was rubbing shoulders with 237 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:16.519 everybody that we call bad guys. 238 00:13:17.399 --> 00:13:21.360 Well, essentially you do have to rub shoulders with people 239 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:24.600 that you necessarily don't want to rub shoulders. But that's 240 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:28.480 really how anything works in business, in the movie industry 241 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:33.399 and politics and like all of that, right, you essentially 242 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:35.759 have to do that. But I think that we kind 243 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:41.519 of purposefuvely didn't bring what exactly we thought about Kubrick 244 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:45.600 into the movie because it's kind of up for interpretation 245 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:50.200 right there. I mean, he's dead, he's passed away. Really 246 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:52.639 the only information that we can get is about you know, 247 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:57.440 people that knew him before or his family, and it's 248 00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:02.440 really difficult to dige exactly what was going on with him. 249 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:05.799 So we kind of took a step back from that 250 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:09.519 and not really commenting so much on what we what 251 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:15.320 kind of person we thought Qubreic actually was. And I 252 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:18.759 think that that honestly serves the movie the best because 253 00:14:19.440 --> 00:14:22.720 if we're just speaking directly on qubreak and we're like, okay, yeah, 254 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:25.919 he's he's a one good guy, because you're gonna have 255 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:30.039 that division right like that, there's a group of people 256 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:33.039 that's gonna think that he's he was like you know god, 257 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:35.279 and then there's gonna be the other group of people 258 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:37.720 that are like, oh, well, he was a horrible guy. 259 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:42.200 He treated everyone badly. You know, he was harassing people 260 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:45.720 on set and doing a hundred different takes on any 261 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:50.440 given scene, which is fact. He was definitely doing that. 262 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:53.080 But he was a perfectionist, right. He was a filmmaker, 263 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:56.159 he was an artist, and he wanted to bring that 264 00:14:56.240 --> 00:15:03.000 realistic nature to his movies. And I think that that's 265 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:05.960 we're just trying to stay away from that, because it 266 00:15:06.039 --> 00:15:08.399 was like, it's exactly like what we were talking about 267 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:10.639 with Trump, Like there's going to be a section of 268 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:13.559 people that hate him no matter what, and then there's 269 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:16.240 going to be people that look at him like a god. 270 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:19.240 And I don't think any either one of those are correct, 271 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:23.159 you know, So I think it lies somewhere in the middle, 272 00:15:23.240 --> 00:15:28.679 and I think he's he computer back and forth on it, 273 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:28.960 you know. 274 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:30.320 Yeah. 275 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:32.919 And I mean this thing that just popped into my 276 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:37.039 head was the Beef fifty two bomber where he was 277 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:42.720 contacted because he made it too accurate, and you got 278 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:46.240 into that a lot on I heard you on Ground 279 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:48.840 Zero with Clyde Lewis, and he kind of wanted to 280 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:51.600 talk about that a little bit, so even more so 281 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:55.960 than it was in the movie. But I want to know, 282 00:15:56.120 --> 00:15:59.879 like when he and this is speculation, probably, but like, 283 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:04.360 when was he brought to the attention to these bigger people, 284 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:08.559 because it seems like just with Doctor Strangelove two thousand 285 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:13.600 and one Space Odyssey, and you mentioned that he had 286 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:16.720 a whole list of people that he, you know, was 287 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:22.399 acknowledging at the end of Space Odyssey, and it's basically 288 00:16:22.519 --> 00:16:25.759 just different factions of the Department adjust or the Department 289 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:30.759 of Defense. And I mean we talk about Operation mocking 290 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:34.080 Bird quite a bit on this show, so just the 291 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:35.960 fact that they're still doing it to this day. 292 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:37.799 But yeah, even back then, I don't. 293 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:40.080 Think anybody had any idea that that kind of stuff 294 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:44.879 was going on with military personnel and the overlap with Hollywood. 295 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:47.559 But one thing you brought up that I thought was 296 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:51.080 kind of interesting and I hadn't heard before, is Kubrick 297 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:53.320 did not want to make The Shining and it was 298 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:56.360 almost like they handed it to him after he flopped 299 00:16:57.039 --> 00:17:02.120 with what was the movie? Yes, So I just kind 300 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:05.240 of find it fascinating that it is one of his most. 301 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:06.599 Popular movies by far. 302 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:10.559 I think it's right up there with his best and 303 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:12.240 the fact that he didn't want to do it and 304 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:14.599 he ended up doing what he did with it and 305 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:16.720 how it worked out so well, and what you think 306 00:17:16.759 --> 00:17:20.119 this overall message he's trying to give to us. It's 307 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:22.559 just like a happy accident basically. 308 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:27.519 Yeah, that makes the most sense to me. And with 309 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:31.799 Doctor Strangelove, I think that is where it started, like 310 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:36.079 this relationship with the intelligence community and the Air Force 311 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:38.000 and the military, because it was like you were saying, 312 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:43.359 no one really knew this since the inception of movies. 313 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:48.319 That's why we have the big Laurel Canyon section in 314 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:53.440 the documentary because it shows that the military was involved 315 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:57.559 in Hollywood, in the Hollywood, that the military was essentially 316 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:04.319 making all of these movies, like thousands of movies that 317 00:18:04.359 --> 00:18:08.319 nobody knows exactly what they were because they're still classified 318 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:10.799 to this very day, like tens of thousands of movies. 319 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:14.319 All the footage that we show when we're talking about 320 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:18.640 Laurel Canyon is all real footage. That's all real footage 321 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:24.920 from Lookout Mountain Air Force Base. Like whenever they're grabbing 322 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:29.160 those big barrels of like movie reels, all that's real 323 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:31.759 footage from Lookout Mountain. 324 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:35.599 Yeah, and you had to have like such high level 325 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:38.039 of security clearance to even step foot there. 326 00:18:39.720 --> 00:18:44.319 So it makes sense when Cubri got this help from 327 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:48.200 making two thousand and one, and he had he was 328 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:53.240 thinking all the intelligence communities, Langley, Virginia Air Force intelligence, 329 00:18:55.400 --> 00:19:00.240 a lot of government contractors were all in the ending 330 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:03.400 credits to two thousand and one A Space Odyssey, and 331 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:07.480 someone had to have seen that and they were like, oh, 332 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:11.079 you can't have that in there, you know, we can't 333 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:15.440 let people know that there's this collaboration regardless of like 334 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:18.440 what it is, regardless if it's something nefarious or if 335 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:21.640 it's not anything nefarious. I mean, they could have just been, 336 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:26.920 you know, giving him things to model the stuff after 337 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:31.039 who knows exactly, you know, what it was. But obviously 338 00:19:31.079 --> 00:19:33.960 it seems like it's a lot more because two thousand 339 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:37.319 and one of Space Odyssey was using special effects like 340 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:39.839 Jay Weiner talks about with the front screen projection that 341 00:19:39.880 --> 00:19:42.799 had never been done before, you know, So how was 342 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:47.400 he getting all of this really hyper advanced technology to 343 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:51.599 be able to a lot of people say that they 344 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:57.559 were NASA cameras that he was using. They had a 345 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:04.119 special lens on them, and like a special modified lens 346 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:10.400 that he shot with. And it seems like someone's seen 347 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:13.119 that those credits where he thinked all the people and 348 00:20:13.160 --> 00:20:14.920 were like, yeah, you got to take that out because 349 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:18.000 we also show documents within the movie of you know, 350 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:21.799 intelligence communities involvement with films that have come out you 351 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:25.559 know since then, like the Transformers movie that was all 352 00:20:25.599 --> 00:20:27.839 got through four year requests, Like people send it for 353 00:20:28.119 --> 00:20:30.599 four year requests and it would come back and be like, yeah, 354 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:34.039 the military and the CIA tomorrow will never die. Some 355 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:38.079 of the James Bond films, uh, you know had collaborations 356 00:20:38.119 --> 00:20:43.640 with the intelligence community and the military. So if you 357 00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:47.400 didn't already know about that, it's still important to see 358 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:49.319 in a movie. And for the people that didn't know 359 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:51.720 about it, I'm sure that they were, you know, kind 360 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:54.799 of shocked about it because you know, that's a really 361 00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:57.519 important thing and they definitely wanted to take that out 362 00:20:57.640 --> 00:21:01.279 and you know, make that a reveal for later on 363 00:21:01.359 --> 00:21:04.200 in the future when people really don't care about it anymore. 364 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:08.200 Because that's another thing about these types of documents and 365 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:12.920 things that are you know coming out, is normally they don't. 366 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:15.599 I mean, the JFK Files has been a really long 367 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:20.880 time you know since it happened for them to be released, 368 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:25.440 but you know the Epstein files are different that when 369 00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:29.920 that was like twenty and sixteen seventeen, right in that area. 370 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:35.640 And that's one that's really recent that, which is surprising 371 00:21:35.680 --> 00:21:39.200 that they're even going to release because it's normally they 372 00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:42.279 wait a really long time in between the event happening 373 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:45.279 and then them releasing any kind of real information about it, 374 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:49.240 so by the time that it's released, people no longer care. 375 00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:53.400 Yeah, this has been that I're responsible or probably fucking long. 376 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:58.400 Dead exactly so. And I think the the twenty twenty 377 00:21:58.440 --> 00:22:03.160 files right won't be released until like twenty sixty or 378 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:05.279 something like that. They already put a date on those, 379 00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:08.240 but they should release the freaking nine to eleven files. 380 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:11.559 Why not release the nine eleven files? You bring those out? 381 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:16.039 Has been what twenty twenty four years, Like, release the 382 00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:17.559 freaking nine eleven files. 383 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:18.599 That'd be nice. 384 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:21.000 Let's find out about building seven, bro. We all need 385 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:22.200 to know about building solving. 386 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:25.920 Yeah, And I just wanted to throw in there. Anybody 387 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:29.640 who's a fan of the Marvel movies, Disney is. 388 00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:32.720 The Pentagon Slash CIA and. 389 00:22:32.920 --> 00:22:35.359 The Pentagon, And you can find these some documents like 390 00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:38.480 what he's talking about here. They put hundreds of millions 391 00:22:38.519 --> 00:22:41.799 of dollars into the Iron Man Iron Man franchise alone, 392 00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:45.559 which you gave Elon Musk a little cameo in the 393 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:50.160 second one Tony Stark himself. But yeah, let's get into 394 00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:55.039 the shining because the first thing that you brought up 395 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:59.480 that kind of opens this mk ultra theory is she's 396 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:02.160 reading Catcher in the Rye at the kitchen table before 397 00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:04.240 they even go up to the hotel. 398 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:06.400 And Catcher in the Rye. 399 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:08.920 I think you mentioned this and it might have been 400 00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:11.359 on The Occult Rejects, and I never even thought of this, 401 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:13.440