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<v Speaker 1>You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report

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<v Speaker 1>a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one. Do you wish to report a UFO over hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we want to one of those data areas thirty one.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you wish to find a report of any kind

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds.

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<v Speaker 1>Time areas thirty one? Me neither there. See if it

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<v Speaker 1>was anybody a h above us to pass us, like

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>OFFI the UFO. Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just passed over, I go. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>it was, but it's from at least to three thousand

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<v Speaker 1>feet above us.

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<v Speaker 2>See, I passed out over the top of US ninety

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<v Speaker 2>one one.

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<v Speaker 1>You just called up to me before they're after staying

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<v Speaker 1>the airplanes and I swear to God more calm on

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<v Speaker 1>an unidentified object every liberty four call or calm on

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<v Speaker 1>an unidentified flying object.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their

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<v Speaker 4>experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,

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<v Speaker 2>Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you

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<v Speaker 2>all doing. I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO

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<v Speaker 2>Chronicles podcast. You may have seen or heard the bite

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<v Speaker 2>sized episodes of brief encounters popping up on the podcast

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<v Speaker 2>Timeline about historic cases. Well, we have another serious starting

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<v Speaker 2>up soon featuring recorded voice omissions sent in to us,

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<v Speaker 2>So if you'd like to get the ball rolling, you

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<v Speaker 2>can email me your five to fifteen minute experiences. Remember,

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<v Speaker 2>we cover everything strange and unexplained. Here. For tonight's guests,

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<v Speaker 2>we meet Adrias from San Diego, California. And when Adris

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<v Speaker 2>stepped outside into the quiet night air, he wasn't expecting

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<v Speaker 2>to see anything unusual. But there it was, hovering above

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<v Speaker 2>the tree tops, a large matt black craft. It didn't

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<v Speaker 2>move and it didn't make a sound. Its surface was

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<v Speaker 2>smoothed with brushed metal ridges, and on either side two

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<v Speaker 2>red light glowed stacked vertically like signals. Adrias has seen

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<v Speaker 2>other things in the sky before in London, free glowing

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<v Speaker 2>orbs drifted through moonlit clouds, moved in unnatural patterns. A

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<v Speaker 2>colleague later confirmed the same sighting. A few months after that,

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<v Speaker 2>during lockdown, a craft appeared above Crystal Palace. It looked

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<v Speaker 2>like two diamond shaped pods connected by shift in fields

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<v Speaker 2>of purple and gold lights. Others saw it too. In California,

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<v Speaker 2>near Vandenberg, he caught sight of a smooth, featureless object

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<v Speaker 2>during the day that also vanished without sound, and later

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<v Speaker 2>that year, walking his dogs, he saw another object light

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<v Speaker 2>up with a flash of blue plasma before disappearing. Adrias

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<v Speaker 2>is up next, but first, if you enjoyed the show

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<v Speaker 2>in the description of this episode. Any help is very

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<v Speaker 2>much appreciated. Now on with the show. Hello Indurance, Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much, Nick, pleasure to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>It is great to have you join us today and

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<v Speaker 2>you're calling from California.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, absolutely, San Diego County to the exact good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, now you have a few experiences to share with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you like to start a beginning please, sir?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, absolutely, Well, when I was about I'd say, about

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<v Speaker 1>four or five years old. I was back in Los

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles County. Me and my brother were sitting in the

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<v Speaker 1>backseat of my mom's car while she was driving, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're driving. I believe it was in North Hollywood, near

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles Valley College, and it was in daytime, probably

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<v Speaker 1>around three o'clock. I distinctively remembered it because it startled

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<v Speaker 1>it and we just saw it. It looked like like

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<v Speaker 1>a big like a sun just lying my past the sky.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like a fireball, but it was. It was big,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would say it was probably like the size

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<v Speaker 1>of a baseball diamond something like that, because we could

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<v Speaker 1>see it fly past us, and it wasn't very close,

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<v Speaker 1>but we can see it was behind buildings and around

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<v Speaker 1>that area there are apartment buildings that aren't very tall.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just probably about four to five stories high, so

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<v Speaker 1>it must have been flying low. And it didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>any kind of trail of smoke, did not make a sound,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just made us jump. And you know, my mom,

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<v Speaker 1>my own am was striving and she's like, what what

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<v Speaker 1>what what what'd you see? And and we we just saw,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, didn't you see it? And she just didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't know what happened. It was like, oh, okay, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>So that kind of stuck with us. Me and my

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<v Speaker 1>brother spoke. Really had no idea what it was. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting because there were publications back then, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was probably around nineteen seventy nine. There were publications about

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<v Speaker 1>Hunga people, and Tahunga is a certain area in that

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<v Speaker 1>part of the San Fernando Valley. It's also a road

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<v Speaker 1>right near the neighborhood we grew up. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>written by I believe, a gentleman that covered the story

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<v Speaker 1>of the Tall White. I think he made like a

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<v Speaker 1>recent documentary called Walking with the Tall White. We can

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little more about that later, but it's just

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<v Speaker 1>interesting because maybe I had something to do with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure. But then the next fighting was many

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<v Speaker 1>many years later, like decades later. I didn't see anything

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<v Speaker 1>for at least three decades, and I was in London

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<v Speaker 1>because me and my brother went to study in life

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<v Speaker 1>and I was in Crystal Palace. To be exact, it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't that long ago. I think it was about twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe twenty nineteen. It was shortly before COVID and it

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<v Speaker 1>was my birthday. It was late at night and I

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<v Speaker 1>was just sitting in the backyard having a couple of beers,

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<v Speaker 1>listened to some music, and it was like a beautiful evening.

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<v Speaker 1>The sky was fairly clear, I could see the moon.

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<v Speaker 1>There was just some like ribbons of clouds, very very thin.

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<v Speaker 1>It was almost like a lamp shade of the moonlight.

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<v Speaker 1>And slowly was surely the clouds just thicker. And it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't actually that slow. It was quick, just rolled right in,

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<v Speaker 1>and what appeared to be like beams of light from

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<v Speaker 1>the moon coming through the clouds, all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>just formed into three separate orbs, and they were very

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<v Speaker 1>very large, and I'm guessing they were probably about I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, maybe like a mile away. It's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>tell because cloud And then in my nighttime, but what

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<v Speaker 1>was unusual was the way the clouds were rolling in

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<v Speaker 1>to my last It looked like the kind of cloud

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<v Speaker 1>formation like woolwind you see in a vacuum cleaner. That

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<v Speaker 1>was weird. And then my ex wife, you know, she

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<v Speaker 1>came out and said, all right, time for bed. Why

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<v Speaker 1>I like, hey, I saw something, She said, yeah, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>come to bed. It was really funny. But then what

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<v Speaker 1>was really strange was the next day I went to

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<v Speaker 1>work and I was teaching at college, and I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>say anything to any colleagues, just the fear of ridicule.

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<v Speaker 1>But for some reason I just felt compelled to share

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<v Speaker 1>this information with my colleague that worked at the front desk,

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<v Speaker 1>and she actually corroborated my story. She saw it herself

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<v Speaker 1>as she was lying in bed, just gazing up into

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<v Speaker 1>the night sky, and I just thought that was very interesting. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I didn't see it on my own. She

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<v Speaker 1>saw it, and well, that was just strange. But that

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<v Speaker 1>was that sighting. And then there was an incredible sighting

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<v Speaker 1>not long after that during the daytime. And this was

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<v Speaker 1>during COVID. It was in mid January, I believe, twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was at the time when no one was

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to walk around outside or sorry, no one was

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to go into like businesses. In fact, most of

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<v Speaker 1>the businesses were closed. I think it was only supermarkets

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<v Speaker 1>were open and people were allowed to walk around and outside.

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<v Speaker 1>My ex wife and her cousin went for a walk

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<v Speaker 1>and they were supposed to maintain six feet distance and

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<v Speaker 1>so they weren't allowed. People weren't allowed to have any

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<v Speaker 1>strangers in the house or any people that did not

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<v Speaker 1>live in the house or in your flat. So when

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<v Speaker 1>my ex wife and her cousin came back after a

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<v Speaker 1>walk outside, they decided to have tea outside in the

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<v Speaker 1>backyard where I saw those lights. So I joined them

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<v Speaker 1>for that tea, and all three of us saw it.

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<v Speaker 1>It just came out of the sky, like as if

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of cloaking just kind of turned off, and

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden we could see it, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was traveling straight towards us, like it was going to

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<v Speaker 1>fly over us, but right behind us. It must have

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<v Speaker 1>been able to see that London was right behind us,

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<v Speaker 1>because we lived in Crystal Palace, you know the listeners

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<v Speaker 1>out there. It's kind of high up on a hill,

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<v Speaker 1>the second highest point in London. So whatever was flying

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<v Speaker 1>must have seen that there was a big city. Slowly

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<v Speaker 1>started to turn and it I think it was going

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<v Speaker 1>about forty months, that's how slow it was. It just

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<v Speaker 1>slowly flew off into the distance, just towards the horizon,

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<v Speaker 1>and I kept my eyes locked on it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was I was like thinking it was going to just

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<v Speaker 1>zoom off, but it just carried on going really really

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<v Speaker 1>slow and strange is looking thing. It did not look

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<v Speaker 1>like a saucer, not like a triangle, nothing like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like two diamond shaped kind of pods that

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<v Speaker 1>were roughly the size of a single decker bus. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm able to determine roughly the size because I first

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<v Speaker 1>saw it without my glasses on and they were just

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<v Speaker 1>next to me, and I put them on, and I

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<v Speaker 1>can see so much clearer right because my vision is

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<v Speaker 1>just slightly blurried, not very bad, but I can basically

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<v Speaker 1>understand how far away the craft was by the detail,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, compared to putting on my glass compared to

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<v Speaker 1>not wearing glasses. And it looked like it was flying

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<v Speaker 1>over the park, which was roughly about six hundred, no

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<v Speaker 1>more than nine hundred feet away from our flat. We

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<v Speaker 1>lived on a hill, so we had a really good

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<v Speaker 1>view of the park. And it's not Crystal Palace Park.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very very small park called the Wreck, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess in the recreation ground something like that. They called

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<v Speaker 1>it the Wreck. Yeah. So it had these two diamond

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<v Speaker 1>shaped pods and they were loading like as if there

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<v Speaker 1>were balloons. It was really strange. There was no windows.

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<v Speaker 1>The surface looked very much like these these gray kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stealthy bombers we have in America, those ones that

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<v Speaker 1>take off like a harrier jet. I forgot the name

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<v Speaker 1>of that bomber, but it looked like that. And first

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<v Speaker 1>there was four piece, two large butt sized pods, and

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<v Speaker 1>in between them, above them and below them, we're smaller

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<v Speaker 1>size of a canoe, like really small. Then they eventually

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<v Speaker 1>kind of just connected to the pods like magnetically. It

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<v Speaker 1>was strange. There was no moving parts, no cables, nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Even weirder thing about this was these two pods were

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<v Speaker 1>connected with this square shape set of orbs. If you

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<v Speaker 1>were to take a square and pop it up on

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<v Speaker 1>the corner, that's what it looked like. And there were

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<v Speaker 1>two rows of orbs. Outer orbs were curple, probably about

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<v Speaker 1>four on each side, and then there was an inner

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<v Speaker 1>square of orbs that were gold and okay, so orbs square.

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<v Speaker 1>But what was even stranger was that it was contracting

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<v Speaker 1>and expanding, contracting and expanding just like that continuously. That

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<v Speaker 1>So what I did was I saying, like a song

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<v Speaker 1>in my head, very very interesting, and it wasn't scary.

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<v Speaker 1>We were just completely blown away by it. I did

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<v Speaker 1>Because I just thought someone must have seen it. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>was just making fun of me, you know, saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you've been drinking too many fints ay, and we were

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<v Speaker 1>just drinking tea, you know, English tea. So that was

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<v Speaker 1>that fighting. And then there was just a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. So this was like a year and a

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<v Speaker 1>half ago. There were two different fightings, probably a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of months apart. I can't remember exactly when, but I

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<v Speaker 1>and it was in Santa Barbara County. I won't say

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<v Speaker 1>exactly where, but it was near Vandenburg Space for Space,

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<v Speaker 1>about twenty miles away. We can see like the Walcket ships.

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<v Speaker 1>We even seen the satellites at night, which are creepy

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't know what they are, because we knew

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<v Speaker 1>what they were satellites. I saw it was in the

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<v Speaker 1>day and I just saw it for like five seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>We were feeding horses. She didn't see it because I

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<v Speaker 1>looked like like the space station without any detail. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just like that. It didn't have solar panels and

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't have any detail. It was just like kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like the tac sighting, but it wasn't just tictack.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a structure, but it had that kind of surface,

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<v Speaker 1>was just white, very smooth, a cylindrical part and it

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<v Speaker 1>was just floating. And where I was looking was towards

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<v Speaker 1>the beach. Now I can't see the beach, but the

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<v Speaker 1>mountain that goes over towards the beach. In fact, the

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<v Speaker 1>Fall Boys used to come in every morning from the

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<v Speaker 1>beach up onto our ranch, so we were literally like

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<v Speaker 1>a thirty minute drive beach not that far. And then

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<v Speaker 1>a couple months later I saw something when we were

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<v Speaker 1>right next to me, and I saw something very reflective

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<v Speaker 1>up in the sky. It was probably about a mile away.

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<v Speaker 1>It looked like the sun reflected off of it really brilliant.

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<v Speaker 1>So first I thought of helicopter, but I didn't hear

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<v Speaker 1>a helicopter, didn't hear any propeller is nothing. And then

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<v Speaker 1>what appeared was what is known as plasma. I think

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<v Speaker 1>what's his name are? He mentioned that happened when they

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<v Speaker 1>were experimenting with that sort UFO, saying that like a

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<v Speaker 1>plasma starts to form before take off, and well, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I saw. And the plasma For the listeners, if

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<v Speaker 1>they don't know what I'm talking about, plasma would be

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<v Speaker 1>like as if you were to light a match and

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<v Speaker 1>then the match is burning and then the match flame

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<v Speaker 1>just just dies down to like a green flame. And

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<v Speaker 1>then it looked like this kind of turquoise light, bluish green,

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<v Speaker 1>spherical circular, well like a crescent moon kind of plasma flame.

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<v Speaker 1>And then that craft just kind of zoomed off into

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<v Speaker 1>the distance. I didn't see it go across the horizon.

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<v Speaker 1>It just like as if it went like the opposite

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<v Speaker 1>direction of my line of site. That was kind of cool,

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<v Speaker 1>But then so we just moved to San Diego County.

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<v Speaker 1>We moved on to another ranch. Of course I can't

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<v Speaker 1>close exact location, but to a small valley and we're about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, four thousand feet in elevation, a very small community,

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<v Speaker 1>and right around us in the ranch or like mountain peaks,

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<v Speaker 1>high desert, and well, there was a blackout that was

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen because of the winds. So sure enough

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<v Speaker 1>the blackout happened. We were in bed, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>knew exactly what to do. I jumped out of my bed.

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<v Speaker 1>I put on like a head lamp over my forehead,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would have to run all the way down

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<v Speaker 1>to the barn and start the generator, which is just

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<v Speaker 1>like a cordy pull like on the old long or

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<v Speaker 1>so that's what I was doing. I walked out the

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<v Speaker 1>front door, wasn't thinking of anything, just had my light

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<v Speaker 1>on my head, walking down the stairs. I'm off the

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<v Speaker 1>deck and then onto the main driveway and then I

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<v Speaker 1>I see it was this thing. It was once again

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<v Speaker 1>it was I was just so fort so close like

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<v Speaker 1>the other UFO and Crystal Palace. It was it was

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<v Speaker 1>just front of the mountain. Here, this mountain peak, which

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<v Speaker 1>is only about a thousand feet away, I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking like a thousand feet is a it is roughly

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<v Speaker 1>for I guess Americans, it's roughly the distance of an

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<v Speaker 1>off ramp from a freeway, okay, or a quarter mile,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and if if you know a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about racing cars, quarter mile is yay about you know

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<v Speaker 1>about a thousand feet. So anyway, first noticed this bright,

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<v Speaker 1>reflective kind of surface that reminded me of the truck

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<v Speaker 1>that I see on the highway right, the kind that

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<v Speaker 1>like your headlights would reflect off. So I'm thinking, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because I was in bed, I'm thinking, oh, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a truck. But it's like there's no road up there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just it's like there's really cool looking rock face

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<v Speaker 1>on the mountain. Thinking no, that's not a truck. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at it and I'm thinking, oh, maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>an airplane. Right. I noticed these bright red lights on

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<v Speaker 1>both ends. But then I don't hear a sound. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not actually flying over this mountain peak. It's in front

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<v Speaker 1>of it, which means I'm thinking in my head, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>this thing is right in front of me. Right. I

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<v Speaker 1>see lightbulbs, huge light bulbs that aren't turned on because

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<v Speaker 1>my headlamp. It's so powerful that it really illuminated this object.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm walking as I'm looking at this thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want a trip because I know, and the

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<v Speaker 1>driveway is littally eroded part of the driveway from the rain.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just take one glance down and I look

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<v Speaker 1>back up and it's still there, and this time just

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<v Speaker 1>going so slow. Just now it's near the top of

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<v Speaker 1>this mountain peak in front of the this cool looking

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<v Speaker 1>rocky face of the mountain peak right in front of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's when I notice what's behind this reflective kind

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<v Speaker 1>of shape. It looked like a reflective cross. I can

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<v Speaker 1>get some more detail about it later, but what I

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<v Speaker 1>noticed behind it was a fuselage and looked like a clam.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason why I say looks like a clam

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<v Speaker 1>because of the ridges they had. Like clams, they have

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<v Speaker 1>ridges to it. This thing had ridges to it. So

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<v Speaker 1>dan that's when I realized, oh my god, I'm looking

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<v Speaker 1>at a bonfly. Two. Oh my god. Okay, here I

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<v Speaker 1>go again, and then then once again I looked down

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<v Speaker 1>so I make sure I don't trip. I'm learning cowboy

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<v Speaker 1>boots they can be kind of clumsy, you know, And

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<v Speaker 1>there's rocks and stuff and gravel on this driveway. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I glanced back up. I mean, I'm not turning

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<v Speaker 1>my head, I'm just shifting my eyes. My eyes back

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<v Speaker 1>up and that it's gone. Not a sound, but an

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<v Speaker 1>amazing sight. So that we can talk more about the

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<v Speaker 1>detail on that, because I really got a good look

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<v Speaker 1>at it. So and that's it. Really, those are all

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<v Speaker 1>the side news I've had. My wife said she saw something.

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<v Speaker 1>We also saw one just big white light fitting It

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<v Speaker 1>looked like a window or like a doorway, and we

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<v Speaker 1>figured it might have been Venus. But we looked at

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<v Speaker 1>the constellation chart on an app and Venus was really

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<v Speaker 1>far off, like in a different angle. And Venus is bright,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't as bright as that was strange too.

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<v Speaker 1>But I will tell you what happened that night. I

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<v Speaker 1>saw that clam shaped kind of a ufo. So I

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<v Speaker 1>went back up into the bedroom. My wife, you won't

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<v Speaker 1>believe me what I saw. Came back outside to check

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<v Speaker 1>things with the generator, didn't see anything, so we went

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<v Speaker 1>back to bed. We had to start the generator because

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<v Speaker 1>we needed the internet on and because there were a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of powerful winds that were blowing down, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>our lines and stuff like that. So we just needed

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<v Speaker 1>to be safe. Anyways, So tucked back in the bed

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, we pray, We prayed before we ate.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we are not very religious, but we do

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<v Speaker 1>believe in God. And well, you know, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>right because if anyone's listening, now, a good time, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So I prayed, prayed, and I had the most lucid

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<v Speaker 1>dream that night ever in my life. It was just weird. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>fell asleep and I was with my wife in this dream,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're just hanging out in some backyard and a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of helicopters in my dream, and I looked like

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<v Speaker 1>they were looking for something, and then they kind of

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<v Speaker 1>cornered us. Also, there's loads of their helicopters around us.

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<v Speaker 1>And then one of them comes down. It looks like

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<v Speaker 1>a sets my aeroplane and it transforms like a transformer

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<v Speaker 1>and lands kind of like a helicopter. And then these

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<v Speaker 1>two people come out and they looked very odd. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't they were humanoid, but they just looked oddly chubby

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<v Speaker 1>in weird places, kind of inhuman. And they held us

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<v Speaker 1>down gm and I remember saying, just you know, make

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<v Speaker 1>sure you take my wife with me. And then this

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<v Speaker 1>other guy comes out nowhere and he looks human and

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<v Speaker 1>he just kind of approaches me like as if the

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<v Speaker 1>doctor was very much in charge and is about to

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<v Speaker 1>do a procedure on and has these two pens that

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<v Speaker 1>light up really brightly, and he put him to my

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<v Speaker 1>eyeballs and I felt that really hard for and I

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<v Speaker 1>felt like a jolt of electricity, and I remember just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of melting in my bed, and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>I was somewhere else. I was in a different place,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm looking around and there's like other people and

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<v Speaker 1>they're all hanging out, and it was a very strange

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<v Speaker 1>looking kind of social gathering. And some of these people

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<v Speaker 1>were very very strange looking. One guy was looked kind

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<v Speaker 1>of of African origin but a little differently, but I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of looked that he just doesn't look familiar. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's a couple other people that look as if they

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<v Speaker 1>were mixture with Asian. And then there was one guy

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<v Speaker 1>this was so dark hang out and they're just looking

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<v Speaker 1>at me like, oh, okay, you know, like here do

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<v Speaker 1>something I don't know. And then then I walked through

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<v Speaker 1>another room and there's these people kind of torsos are

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<v Speaker 1>shaped very much like a apple. They got long, skinny appendages,

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<v Speaker 1>and their heads were they had like big noses, like

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<v Speaker 1>almost I could be like a bird, but they were

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<v Speaker 1>obviously like mammals, like they didn't have fur, but that's in.

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<v Speaker 1>They had this weird kind of these dresses was coming

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<v Speaker 1>out of the top of their head ends roots, and

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<v Speaker 1>and then I walked out into another room and it

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<v Speaker 1>just felt like I was in a Then there was

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<v Speaker 1>normal people and there every room I walked in, everyone

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<v Speaker 1>was just staring at me and not completely strength, looking

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<v Speaker 1>at me knowing that I wasn't from that. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I just I guess the dream ended, and I woke

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<v Speaker 1>up the next morning and I felt so arrested. I

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<v Speaker 1>never felt so arrested in my life. And my wife

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<v Speaker 1>about that dream, and that was really weird. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I can't say it was an outer body experience.

418
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<v Speaker 1>I've never had one of those, so I don't know

419
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<v Speaker 1>what they feel like. I don't believe I was abducted.

420
00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:24.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying I don't believe people aren't get abducted

421
00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:27.240
<v Speaker 1>or not. But I can't say that was a lucid dream.

422
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:28.680
<v Speaker 1>That's about it, Nick.

423
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Good stuff. Interesting. Have you ever had a dream like

424
00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:33.200
<v Speaker 2>that before, a lucid dream?

425
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:35.759
<v Speaker 1>The last one I had was when I was a kid,

426
00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:40.200
<v Speaker 1>eight years old. I had a dream that Bigfoot was

427
00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:43.160
<v Speaker 1>like a basement of our house and was in a

428
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:45.200
<v Speaker 1>cage and he broke out or something like that. But

429
00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:48.839
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't as lucid it was. It was just it

430
00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:51.200
<v Speaker 1>was a nightmare. It was a nightmare. I had chicken pox.

431
00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:55.799
<v Speaker 1>I'd lost a lot of sleep, so that that was

432
00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:58.799
<v Speaker 1>just it was a nightmare as a kind of memory.

433
00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:01.039
<v Speaker 1>You get up all sweating and the only time I

434
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:05.279
<v Speaker 1>can think of but this lucid dream was a good feeling.

435
00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:09.400
<v Speaker 1>I felt so good. So I don't know. I don't

436
00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:10.799
<v Speaker 1>know if I had anything to do with it, but

437
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:13.599
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you something really trippy though. So the next

438
00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:17.160
<v Speaker 1>day I thought about I was like, okay, you know,

439
00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:20.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to look up UFO sightings and punch

440
00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:22.640
<v Speaker 1>in the name of the area that I live in,

441
00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:25.720
<v Speaker 1>like the valley, and oh my god, there's actually one

442
00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:30.400
<v Speaker 1>posted on YouTube and they used doctor Greer's a CE

443
00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:35.599
<v Speaker 1>five meditation technique, and there's like footage of people just

444
00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:38.240
<v Speaker 1>like it's like the type of typical kind of CEE

445
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:40.440
<v Speaker 1>five footage. You see where they have the cameras pointing

446
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:43.279
<v Speaker 1>straight up into the stars and you can clearly see

447
00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:47.680
<v Speaker 1>there's like brightly lit objects that's just pointing down these

448
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:50.880
<v Speaker 1>beams of light at them and they respond with their

449
00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:53.119
<v Speaker 1>lasers and stuff like that. And that tripped me out

450
00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:56.559
<v Speaker 1>because this is a very secluded area, not what s

451
00:27:56.680 --> 00:28:00.160
<v Speaker 1>angelis or Santa Barbara County. It's very far away where

452
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.880
<v Speaker 1>you're from the city. Oddly enough, you know, all the

453
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:07.599
<v Speaker 1>sidings I had, except the one in San Fernando Valley

454
00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:09.799
<v Speaker 1>when I was a little boy, they have all bit

455
00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:12.920
<v Speaker 1>near military base, so I don't know if that was anything.

456
00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:16.319
<v Speaker 2>And you're still on the ranch now.

457
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:19.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. In fact, I'm sitting right here on the deck

458
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:20.640
<v Speaker 1>and I'm looking at that mountain.

459
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:31.039
<v Speaker 3>You don't always know you're in a cult.

460
00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Not at first.

461
00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:36.519
<v Speaker 3>It feels like truth, like purpose, like home. Then the

462
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:40.440
<v Speaker 3>rules change, the world gets smaller, and obedience becomes survival.

463
00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:43.359
<v Speaker 3>Hidden Cults is the podcast that takes you inside the

464
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:47.000
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465
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466
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467
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468
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469
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470
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:09.599
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471
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:11.960
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472
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474
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<v Speaker 2>What about any other experiences on that ranch, in particular,

475
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.319
<v Speaker 2>anything paranormal or anything a little bit odd, not at all.

476
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:37.960
<v Speaker 1>I have seen paranormal clear as day, kind of ghostly

477
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:41.920
<v Speaker 1>person at the edge of my bed in London, but

478
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:45.599
<v Speaker 1>it was never it was never like in line with

479
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:47.759
<v Speaker 1>any kind of UFO activity.

480
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:51.839
<v Speaker 2>Usually when someone has had a UFO experience and encounters,

481
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.279
<v Speaker 2>there is usually paranormal activity that's been involved in their past.

482
00:29:56.599 --> 00:29:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't always have to be completely connected, but it just

483
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:02.480
<v Speaker 2>seems some people tend to be more open than others.

484
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:04.880
<v Speaker 1>I guess, so, I mean, I mean, there was one

485
00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:09.400
<v Speaker 1>there I did actually experience like I guess you could

486
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:13.720
<v Speaker 1>consider sasquatch encounters, but I've never seen one, and the

487
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:17.680
<v Speaker 1>only reason why I call it Sasquatch encounters because I

488
00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:21.839
<v Speaker 1>started listening to that Sasquat show by West and I

489
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:26.079
<v Speaker 1>realized that these weird experiences I've had in the past

490
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:31.440
<v Speaker 1>were very similar to other people's encounters. And I can

491
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:33.160
<v Speaker 1>tell you a little about it. I mean, I used

492
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:35.640
<v Speaker 1>to go to a friend's house when I was kid,

493
00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:38.680
<v Speaker 1>all the way up to my twenties, and it was

494
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:41.720
<v Speaker 1>his parents' house, and they lived in Ugara Hills, and

495
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:44.839
<v Speaker 1>they lived in an area where it was like do

496
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:46.839
<v Speaker 1>you not right on the edge of civilization. There was

497
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:51.519
<v Speaker 1>a fence, there were signs saying do not trespass. Military

498
00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:54.720
<v Speaker 1>like it was the desert all the way to like

499
00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:59.119
<v Speaker 1>a military base called Roswald, not Roswell, but Roswald. I've

500
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:02.920
<v Speaker 1>actually seen on gate on that military base, but didn't

501
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:05.839
<v Speaker 1>see an e UFOs there. But we'd be like hanging

502
00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:08.880
<v Speaker 1>out and his house, his parents' house was right on

503
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:11.279
<v Speaker 1>top of a hill, so it was at the highest

504
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:14.359
<v Speaker 1>point of that entire neighborhood. We can see other houses

505
00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:16.359
<v Speaker 1>on different hills. I mean, it was really cool. You

506
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:17.920
<v Speaker 1>can shout out your name and you can hear to

507
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:22.440
<v Speaker 1>echo back, and there was weird things like something would

508
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:27.400
<v Speaker 1>always go through his trash and I'd see the next

509
00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:31.599
<v Speaker 1>day boxes like pizza boxes was on your boxes, not

510
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:38.039
<v Speaker 1>just thrown around, but perfectly stacked neatly on the wall

511
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:40.720
<v Speaker 1>next to the garbage, you know. I mean, I remember

512
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:44.400
<v Speaker 1>asking him, what's going on here, You're looking through your

513
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:47.720
<v Speaker 1>trash and he said, no, no coyotes. I just I

514
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:51.079
<v Speaker 1>couldn't believe it. I just didn't understand. And other things

515
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:54.720
<v Speaker 1>like there would always be something that hang on the

516
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:57.880
<v Speaker 1>window right he said, oh, no, it's just the wind.

517
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:01.359
<v Speaker 1>And one time I did see the wind. Do it

518
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:03.880
<v Speaker 1>fair enough? Okay? So one night it happened again and

519
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:06.200
<v Speaker 1>me and him were just hanging out drinking some whiskey,

520
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:09.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, we were probably underage drink and his parents

521
00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:12.680
<v Speaker 1>are off traveling and bam hit hear this bang, And

522
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:14.759
<v Speaker 1>I told him, dude, there's no wind outside, and he

523
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.039
<v Speaker 1>was like, okay, let's go check it out. And we

524
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:22.240
<v Speaker 1>went outside and we're looking at the ridge where these

525
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:24.759
<v Speaker 1>pine trees are in the fence where you know, if

526
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:28.160
<v Speaker 1>you go past that fence, it's like the illegal military

527
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:30.920
<v Speaker 1>owns it, government owns it, whatever government land. And we

528
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:34.160
<v Speaker 1>hear movement next to the pine tree, but we can't

529
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:39.079
<v Speaker 1>see because the floodlight that illuminates the backyard just don't

530
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:42.960
<v Speaker 1>illuminate that area. And out of nowhere, a little green

531
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.920
<v Speaker 1>pine cone just flies out lns right in front of

532
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:48.200
<v Speaker 1>our feet. There was a little green one, which means

533
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:51.400
<v Speaker 1>it was plucked from the tree. Now a big, dry,

534
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:54.000
<v Speaker 1>brown one, and that kind of freaked it out. So

535
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:56.079
<v Speaker 1>we said, hey, we've got guns in here, don't be

536
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:58.400
<v Speaker 1>messing around. We went back in the house and was like, okay,

537
00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:01.440
<v Speaker 1>what the hell was that. We just didn't talk about

538
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:06.240
<v Speaker 1>it again. Also, another night, we were hanging out on

539
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:09.559
<v Speaker 1>top of the front lawn just drinking whiskey. Again. You know,

540
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:11.799
<v Speaker 1>we weren't getting two hammered or anything like that. But

541
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:14.839
<v Speaker 1>we hear something walking through the neighborhood. And you know,

542
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:17.759
<v Speaker 1>this neighborhood is all all big ranch propa by land

543
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:20.920
<v Speaker 1>like with fences and they got horses and stuff. And

544
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:24.880
<v Speaker 1>here's the dogs is barking, going crazy and whatever is

545
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:28.880
<v Speaker 1>walking down the street the only street that's unpaved, mind you,

546
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:31.880
<v Speaker 1>and you hear more dogs barking, like kissing off all

547
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:35.799
<v Speaker 1>these animals, and then it goes into this creek bed

548
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:38.400
<v Speaker 1>where it's drying it's got loads of this shrub or

549
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:43.240
<v Speaker 1>bush called menzonita. Mensanita is so harsh and crunchy and

550
00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:47.240
<v Speaker 1>hard and thorny. Human being cannot go through without tearing

551
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:50.039
<v Speaker 1>off his clothes and coming out all scratched and bloody.

552
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:51.640
<v Speaker 1>I know, because we used to play in it and

553
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:54.599
<v Speaker 1>we hated it. We didn't we didn't like playing in it.

554
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:57.960
<v Speaker 1>We'd always skipped scratcheduff. Also because there's loads of rattlesnakes

555
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:01.880
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that, scorpions. So we're hearing this thing

556
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:05.920
<v Speaker 1>and it sounded really big, and it's like going through

557
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:09.880
<v Speaker 1>it like no problem, I guess, making so much noise

558
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:14.320
<v Speaker 1>just going through this dry creek bed, and it must

559
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:16.920
<v Speaker 1>have walked at least one hundred feet, and we're just

560
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:20.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of observing, like listening, and we're shouting at them

561
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:24.000
<v Speaker 1>like hey, hey, what are you doing. No response, And

562
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:27.599
<v Speaker 1>then it takes it like a turn away from us

563
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:31.400
<v Speaker 1>towards this ridge line that goes towards that government property.

564
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:34.960
<v Speaker 1>And the ridge line is probably the ridge is probably

565
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:38.320
<v Speaker 1>about I don't know, eighty feet high. It's not very high,

566
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:42.320
<v Speaker 1>but it's pretty much straight up and whatever walks up it,

567
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:45.320
<v Speaker 1>we can barely see movement, but we can hear its footstep.

568
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:47.960
<v Speaker 1>It just goes up within thirty seconds and it's over

569
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:50.719
<v Speaker 1>the ridge and me and him we're just thinking, like

570
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:55.559
<v Speaker 1>that's impossible, right. That's that one. Another one was where

571
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:59.360
<v Speaker 1>I went with my bass player of a band go

572
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:02.400
<v Speaker 1>to this cave up in a different areas to paying

573
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:06.000
<v Speaker 1>a canyon, which is far enough, like thirty minutes from

574
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:10.719
<v Speaker 1>agra a hill, and we wanted to go like smoke

575
00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:13.679
<v Speaker 1>a doobie. We hadn't smoked it yet, so we're like,

576
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.320
<v Speaker 1>let's go to the cave and enjoy this dooby together. Yeah,

577
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:19.079
<v Speaker 1>nice summer night. So we go there and once again,

578
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:22.360
<v Speaker 1>there's this menzanita bush, very thick, and there's a certain

579
00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:25.000
<v Speaker 1>way you have to get around the bush and down

580
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:27.239
<v Speaker 1>this path that goes in front of the cave, and

581
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:29.880
<v Speaker 1>then you walk up to the cave and we hear

582
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:33.159
<v Speaker 1>voices and you can clearly hear people no matter how

583
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:35.719
<v Speaker 1>thick the brush is, you can really hear people when

584
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:37.639
<v Speaker 1>they speak when they're that close. I mean it was

585
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.480
<v Speaker 1>literally just like twenty feet away, and it sounded like

586
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:45.239
<v Speaker 1>like someone speaking backwards, like when you play the record backwards.

587
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.480
<v Speaker 1>And I am very familiar with Eastern European languages because

588
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.800
<v Speaker 1>my mother is from Hungary. She also speaks German, had

589
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:58.639
<v Speaker 1>Russian teachers, Ukrainian teachers, just in like music in the arts,

590
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:03.280
<v Speaker 1>like la like that, and Polish. I understand, I can

591
00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:08.480
<v Speaker 1>identify the language whether it's Slavic or German. This wasn't

592
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:11.199
<v Speaker 1>anything like that or French. My father's friends and it

593
00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:14.719
<v Speaker 1>was like it just didn't anything like I don't know.

594
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:17.760
<v Speaker 1>It was really strange. So anyway, I recommend it to

595
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:19.760
<v Speaker 1>my friend. I said, hey, it's just announced that we're here,

596
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:22.400
<v Speaker 1>because I don't want to just you know, barging on someone.

597
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:26.119
<v Speaker 1>There's no light. Obviously two people there's one talking to

598
00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:30.480
<v Speaker 1>another one and we and my friend said, hey, we're here.

599
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:33.920
<v Speaker 1>We just want to smoke this joint. You're welcome to

600
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.400
<v Speaker 1>share it with us. And the talking stops, and then

601
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:39.480
<v Speaker 1>we look at it right. That means we can't go

602
00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:44.360
<v Speaker 1>down there. And then something just jumps from the point

603
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:47.360
<v Speaker 1>where we hear the voices jumps like a good twenty

604
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:51.239
<v Speaker 1>thirty feet to our left and lands and you can

605
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:53.079
<v Speaker 1>hear it because there's loads of oak trees as well.

606
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:57.519
<v Speaker 1>The leaves are dry the summer, you know, and then

607
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:00.159
<v Speaker 1>it just starts like sounds like it's falling through the

608
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:04.079
<v Speaker 1>Menzania bush towards us, and it's putting on this kind

609
00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:08.840
<v Speaker 1>of bad imitation of a mountain lion. I mean mountain lions.

610
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:12.159
<v Speaker 1>They had a certain growl. And I've heard him before

611
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.000
<v Speaker 1>at this place called the Wildlife way Station with the

612
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:17.840
<v Speaker 1>mountain lions and lions, and they can be really loud.

613
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:21.840
<v Speaker 1>It sounded like bad imitation. So I don't know. We ran,

614
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:26.239
<v Speaker 1>we were scared, and we just bolted. Never ran that

615
00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:30.039
<v Speaker 1>last ever in my life. And I think that's probably

616
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:32.800
<v Speaker 1>about it. I mean, I didn't see anything, so I

617
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:37.199
<v Speaker 1>apologize to your listeners, but you know that's sasquatch. I

618
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:43.159
<v Speaker 1>did see more UFOs and even ghosts, and well, yeah, that's.

619
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:46.400
<v Speaker 2>That's pretty strange. Do you think your friend was in denial?

620
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:49.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Kyle is you know they don't stack pizza boxes.

621
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:54.880
<v Speaker 1>I think so, it's just I mean, I could tell

622
00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:57.119
<v Speaker 1>you one more little thing that I remember about that house,

623
00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:00.480
<v Speaker 1>my friend, and in a garrill, will you know when

624
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.519
<v Speaker 1>we were kids, we used to play a lot in

625
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:06.239
<v Speaker 1>the dirt, right and we would see these little stones

626
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:09.079
<v Speaker 1>backed but I'm not talking about rocks, Okay, a lot

627
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:11.480
<v Speaker 1>of people do that. They'll stack rocks and creeks and

628
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:15.079
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. These were little stones that you would

629
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:18.239
<v Speaker 1>pick up with your fingers and they looked like a

630
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:21.039
<v Speaker 1>little miniature pyramids. It was really strange, and it looked

631
00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:23.119
<v Speaker 1>like as if they just a little handful of stone

632
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:27.239
<v Speaker 1>and just kind of neatly stacked it by closing their fingers,

633
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:30.679
<v Speaker 1>I guess. And we found loads of these, like they

634
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:35.199
<v Speaker 1>looked like markers around the hill. House was on, okay,

635
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:37.079
<v Speaker 1>and they're thinking, okay, what is this. And I remember

636
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:39.159
<v Speaker 1>showing your friend and we're like tripping out on it.

637
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:41.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, but if you think a squirrel or raccoon

638
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:44.000
<v Speaker 1>could do that? And why you know? And then I

639
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.320
<v Speaker 1>figured it out just from listening to these like sasquat

640
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:51.320
<v Speaker 1>stories that they they always liked to trip up the floodlights,

641
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:54.400
<v Speaker 1>but they never showed themselves. They never stand directly in

642
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:57.320
<v Speaker 1>the light, and that used to happen a lot. When

643
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:00.480
<v Speaker 1>I stated his house, floodlights would always turn on. Now

644
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:03.519
<v Speaker 1>it's like, okay, it could have been other animals, fine,

645
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:07.760
<v Speaker 1>but those little stones were at the perimeter of where

646
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:11.960
<v Speaker 1>the floodlight being sensors would reach, so any further than that,

647
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:13.800
<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't trip off the light, and we know that

648
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:16.960
<v Speaker 1>because we'd go outside at night as well, So that

649
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:20.840
<v Speaker 1>was weird. And another another kind of weird thing that

650
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:22.840
<v Speaker 1>would happen to me over there was that I'd get

651
00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:26.679
<v Speaker 1>kind of weird paralyzing fear. I'd wake up in the

652
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:30.280
<v Speaker 1>middle of my sleep only at his house, and that's

653
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:34.239
<v Speaker 1>the slowlights would for sure be on, and I'd just

654
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:36.719
<v Speaker 1>be like paralyzed in fear. It would take me so

655
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:39.840
<v Speaker 1>much energy to just turn my head towards the window

656
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:42.320
<v Speaker 1>because I was so afraid something at me, like I

657
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:44.559
<v Speaker 1>actually felt like I was being watched. And when I

658
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:47.199
<v Speaker 1>when I heard these stories, then it just connected all

659
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:48.639
<v Speaker 1>the thoughts from me. It was like, oh my god,

660
00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:55.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, the floodlights, paralyzed fear, the stacking of the trash,

661
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:57.920
<v Speaker 1>real neat, the throwing of a pine cone, you know,

662
00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:02.280
<v Speaker 1>objects that people things like that, And that's when I realized, like,

663
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:05.760
<v Speaker 1>was I, you know, experiencing like a local sab squats

664
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:08.400
<v Speaker 1>And I actually did look it up online. I think

665
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:11.119
<v Speaker 1>it was the BFRO. There actually were a couple of

666
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:14.199
<v Speaker 1>sightings in that immediate area, so you know, maybe there's

667
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:16.199
<v Speaker 1>like a family that live there. I don't know, but

668
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:18.960
<v Speaker 1>it's anyway, it's strange stuff. Wow.

669
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.559
<v Speaker 2>Interesting. I'd like to go back to this, this clam

670
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.239
<v Speaker 2>shaped object. Can you give us a little bit more

671
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:28.039
<v Speaker 2>detail about it, because that was relatively recent.

672
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:32.559
<v Speaker 1>That was that was in January twenty five. Yeah. Well, okay,

673
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:35.199
<v Speaker 1>when I first set my eyes on it, and when

674
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:37.840
<v Speaker 1>I first saw that reflective material I told you about that,

675
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:40.519
<v Speaker 1>like that reminded me of the rear end of a

676
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:45.239
<v Speaker 1>truck or a lorry. Reflective material was in the shape

677
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:48.960
<v Speaker 1>of a cross. Okay, but the arms of the cross

678
00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:53.320
<v Speaker 1>that were running I guess you could say vertically, not horizontally.

679
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:58.440
<v Speaker 1>The vertical arms were very short, and the horizontal arms

680
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:02.400
<v Speaker 1>of the cross were very long, so I'm assuming that

681
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:07.360
<v Speaker 1>was probably I guess the width of the craft. And

682
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:10.880
<v Speaker 1>then on each end of the long horizontal arms of

683
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:16.960
<v Speaker 1>the cross had two really bright red lights, but I'm

684
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:20.159
<v Speaker 1>talking like two on each side. It reminded me of

685
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:23.519
<v Speaker 1>like a I think a fifty seven Cadillac, like those

686
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:27.920
<v Speaker 1>flame shaped kind of tail lights, kind of like that.

687
00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:32.719
<v Speaker 1>And then I also mentioned there was light bulbs weren't

688
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:36.280
<v Speaker 1>turned on that were in that cross. Okay, there was

689
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:39.000
<v Speaker 1>probably about five of them, and they were in a

690
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:42.000
<v Speaker 1>formation of the cross as well. Really big light bulbs,

691
00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:46.239
<v Speaker 1>but probably the size of like a watermelon, really large watermelon,

692
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:47.960
<v Speaker 1>or like a beach ball, more like a beach ballb.

693
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:50.800
<v Speaker 1>They were huge, and they weren't turned on, but I

694
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:53.639
<v Speaker 1>can see they were light bulbs and they didn't have

695
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:56.599
<v Speaker 1>a filament in it, but they just looked like a

696
00:41:56.679 --> 00:42:01.199
<v Speaker 1>light bulb. And then the detail around the light bulbs

697
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:06.320
<v Speaker 1>within that cross, Oh my god, it looked like cilia

698
00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:09.360
<v Speaker 1>that you'd see on like a sand dollar, but it

699
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:14.119
<v Speaker 1>was incredibly reflective. Or it looked more like a tinsel.

700
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Is it called tinsel that you hang on a Christmas tree.

701
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:20.440
<v Speaker 1>It looked like that, but the tinsil was very, very large,

702
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:23.719
<v Speaker 1>and they weren't just like simsy thin plastic. They were

703
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:28.760
<v Speaker 1>all perfectly mounted and lined up like scales on armor.

704
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:33.079
<v Speaker 1>They were kind of moving like silly like it was

705
00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:35.599
<v Speaker 1>probably the wind that was moving it, because it was

706
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:39.480
<v Speaker 1>very windy, and I suppose that that sillia kind of

707
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:42.079
<v Speaker 1>tinsil would have been so reflective, so if they were

708
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:44.119
<v Speaker 1>to turn on those big light bulbs, they would have

709
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:47.440
<v Speaker 1>litten up the entire house incredibly bright. It would have

710
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:50.159
<v Speaker 1>been blind. That's how big those light bulbs look like.

711
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:52.960
<v Speaker 1>So it looked like a really good kind of design

712
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:57.920
<v Speaker 1>for a headlight. And then of course when it set

713
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:02.440
<v Speaker 1>that last glance and I saw all the uselage behind it,

714
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:04.880
<v Speaker 1>because I guess it kind of reared up a little

715
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:08.039
<v Speaker 1>more where my light from my head light wasn't as

716
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:11.760
<v Speaker 1>bright so that I can actually see behind the reflective cross.

717
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Then it was black. The clam was like a black color,

718
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:22.639
<v Speaker 1>but the ridges were like brush metal or metal color.

719
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:27.159
<v Speaker 1>And that's it. I mean it was It looked manufactured,

720
00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:30.920
<v Speaker 1>like like I could buy it from somewhere and it

721
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:33.920
<v Speaker 1>had a purpose. It wasn't like made of energy or

722
00:43:33.960 --> 00:43:36.719
<v Speaker 1>a beam of light. It looked like it was made

723
00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:40.559
<v Speaker 1>of metal of some kind. And yeah, it looked. It

724
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:43.639
<v Speaker 1>looked cool, man, it looked amazing. It was so clean,

725
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:46.480
<v Speaker 1>and I mean it just looked also logical, like the

726
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:48.960
<v Speaker 1>two red lights on the side seemed like it was

727
00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:53.079
<v Speaker 1>there for safety. So I mean I kind of think, oh,

728
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:56.519
<v Speaker 1>maybe it was probably made by humans. I don't know.

729
00:43:56.800 --> 00:44:00.480
<v Speaker 1>It looked like it just like the logic put into it. Obviously,

730
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:04.360
<v Speaker 1>the way it was flying, it was a logical, silent

731
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:06.760
<v Speaker 1>and it was floating. That's about it. I can tell

732
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:07.159
<v Speaker 1>you about that.

733
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:09.880
<v Speaker 2>I might get you, you know, if it's possible to

734
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:13.039
<v Speaker 2>do a sketch of the object. And what we do

735
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:15.360
<v Speaker 2>is we're put on the website if you have a

736
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:18.280
<v Speaker 2>details and then get good at this.

737
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not a problem. Well I'll tell you why. Because

738
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:23.920
<v Speaker 1>we lived right near a military base and we see

739
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:28.800
<v Speaker 1>them fly all the time. We see the airplanes that

740
00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:30.920
<v Speaker 1>have the two large propellers and they can take off

741
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:33.800
<v Speaker 1>like a helicopter. We see them fly all the time,

742
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:37.559
<v Speaker 1>and they are really high up and they're very loud.

743
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's disturbing because it's annoying for us. We're

744
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:42.960
<v Speaker 1>used to living in quiet Santa Barbara County.

745
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:43.199
<v Speaker 3>You know.

746
00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:48.719
<v Speaker 1>Also I've seen the huge helicopters that were called not

747
00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:52.360
<v Speaker 1>the chinooks, but the other big ones that like drop things,

748
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:54.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, I have like a bay door on the back.

749
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:55.280
<v Speaker 3>You know.

750
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:57.960
<v Speaker 1>And we also see helicopters as well, like the normal

751
00:44:58.039 --> 00:44:59.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of police helicopters. I mean, we see a lot

752
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:03.519
<v Speaker 1>aircrafts here. We see the jets as well, those new

753
00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:05.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of stealthy bombers with ones that like take off

754
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:09.599
<v Speaker 1>like a harrier. Anything that flies around here. Is super loud.

755
00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:12.960
<v Speaker 1>It's so loud, there's no way I could have mistaken

756
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:15.360
<v Speaker 1>for that. It was just the right in front of me.

757
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:19.039
<v Speaker 1>It just was mind boggling at how quiet was It

758
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:20.880
<v Speaker 1>was silent. It's crazy.

759
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:25.760
<v Speaker 2>You did mention that many of your sightings happened near

760
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:29.239
<v Speaker 2>military bases. Do you think that's that's a coincidence or

761
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:30.599
<v Speaker 2>something more.

762
00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:33.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's a coincidence. I mean, there's that

763
00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:36.639
<v Speaker 1>one guy I think you might know him talking about.

764
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:39.960
<v Speaker 1>He has a film called Walking with the White or

765
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Walking with the Tall White, and he needs to be

766
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:45.800
<v Speaker 1>a weather observer in the sixties and basically said that

767
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:49.960
<v Speaker 1>our military base is provide shelter parts and like a

768
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:53.159
<v Speaker 1>place too, like a pit stop, because he said they

769
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:56.840
<v Speaker 1>to break down. But they traverse I don't know how

770
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:59.480
<v Speaker 1>many light years, like a month at a time. They'll

771
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:03.639
<v Speaker 1>be traveling from one galaxy to our galaxy. And so

772
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:06.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is what the guy says, so I

773
00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:09.519
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be surprised. And of course other stories we've all

774
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:13.679
<v Speaker 1>heard about, you know, the connection with military bases and UFOs,

775
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:18.079
<v Speaker 1>especially in the US Navy and Air Force and Space Force.

776
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:20.679
<v Speaker 2>I guess now, yeah, I think that was Charles Hall

777
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:22.079
<v Speaker 2>that documentary.

778
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:23.880
<v Speaker 4>I've not seen it, but yeah, but I do know.

779
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:25.679
<v Speaker 2>I think he follows me on X.

780
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:29.599
<v Speaker 1>Actually, yeah, I believe him, actually because I've seen other

781
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:32.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of interviews of guys and you could just tell

782
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:34.719
<v Speaker 1>and they're not telling the truth. They just have answers

783
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:38.119
<v Speaker 1>for every question. And that's like one giveaway. Also because

784
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:40.679
<v Speaker 1>I work with kids a lot, teaching music, and you know,

785
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:45.480
<v Speaker 1>kids lie, so you become like a trained professional liners.

786
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Good stuff. Okay, And have you always had an interest

787
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:52.559
<v Speaker 2>in UFOs or is that something which just kind of

788
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:55.639
<v Speaker 2>come about because some of your experiences.

789
00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:57.679
<v Speaker 1>You know what it was? Ever since that first experience

790
00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:02.320
<v Speaker 1>that startled me my brother, I think that sparked the interest,

791
00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:07.280
<v Speaker 1>but I never really followed too much kind of. I

792
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:10.239
<v Speaker 1>think there was Coast to Coast. I really didn't listen

793
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:11.800
<v Speaker 1>too much of it. I didn't follow it. I was

794
00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:16.320
<v Speaker 1>never fanatical about it. Stumbled upon your your podcast because

795
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:21.000
<v Speaker 1>just because I've listened to quite a lot of sasquatch encounters,

796
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:23.880
<v Speaker 1>because I was actually more interested in sasquatch, to be honest,

797
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:27.159
<v Speaker 1>than UFOs. Always found UFOs interesting, but you know, after

798
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:29.400
<v Speaker 1>that fighting when I was five, I never seen anything

799
00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:32.559
<v Speaker 1>from decades. So I just didn't really want to think.

800
00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:34.400
<v Speaker 1>But then when you see it, you know, it's like

801
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:37.440
<v Speaker 1>they say, seeing is believing, So I do find an

802
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:41.559
<v Speaker 1>interest in it. You know, it's I do believe there

803
00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:47.360
<v Speaker 1>is life out there, and you know, to have higher technology,

804
00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:51.679
<v Speaker 1>better technology that is absolutely plausible. So you know, I

805
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:53.960
<v Speaker 1>don't think there's anything wrong with thinking about it. I

806
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:58.199
<v Speaker 1>don't really share this information a lot because people are

807
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:02.559
<v Speaker 1>constantly you know, this crazy, but maybe that's kind of

808
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:05.920
<v Speaker 1>going away as well, that kind of stigma, you know.

809
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Getting better slowly. But yeah, I do know what you mean.

810
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:11.320
<v Speaker 2>But you know, like I say on the shows, to

811
00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:15.440
<v Speaker 2>bring up the conversation, sometimes get some interest in stories

812
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:17.719
<v Speaker 2>from people, or they could just kind of look at

813
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:18.599
<v Speaker 2>you like you're crazy.

814
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I would never share it around work.

815
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:26.280
<v Speaker 1>That's why I I kind of was surprised at myself

816
00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:29.519
<v Speaker 1>that I shared that one story to a colleague literally

817
00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:31.639
<v Speaker 1>the next morning. I don't even know why I did that.

818
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:35.079
<v Speaker 1>I would have restrained myself, I would have been I

819
00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:37.079
<v Speaker 1>would have not done that, but for some reason, I

820
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:39.679
<v Speaker 1>just felt like I could trust her and I told

821
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:43.239
<v Speaker 1>her and I barely knew her, and she saw too,

822
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:46.760
<v Speaker 1>So maybe there was that weird kind of human connection

823
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:49.039
<v Speaker 1>that we can't explain. I don't know.

824
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:51.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I believe so. I believe so.

825
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:55.960
<v Speaker 1>But I just wanted to express my appreciation for your

826
00:48:56.000 --> 00:49:00.199
<v Speaker 1>show and people like you and guys like west Thing

827
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:04.519
<v Speaker 1>that spoke these podcasts because it's really important, I think,

828
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:06.840
<v Speaker 1>for people to be able to speak about because the

829
00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:09.280
<v Speaker 1>only people I've been able to speak about with were

830
00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:12.039
<v Speaker 1>people closest to me, you know. And I love talking

831
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<v Speaker 1>about it. I love to share the experience because it's

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<v Speaker 1>out of this world literally, you know. So I really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're more the welcome and a good thing is I mean,

835
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<v Speaker 2>it gives people a place, you know, where they can share,

836
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:30.360
<v Speaker 2>and the people that listen are all like minded, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>They are all people which have either have an interest

838
00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:35.440
<v Speaker 2>in the subjects you know that we do have on here,

839
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:39.400
<v Speaker 2>or they you know, they're going through something, and it

840
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<v Speaker 2>gives people a chance of liberating, chance of release, and

841
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<v Speaker 2>also in turn, it you know, helps people out there

842
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<v Speaker 2>which may be suffering in some cases.

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<v Speaker 1>Gosh, I mean, I remember, I think the last podcast

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to of yours was about someone about dreams

845
00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:59.920
<v Speaker 1>and being abducted and happening to them ever since they're

846
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<v Speaker 1>a kid, and it seems to be very parallel with

847
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:05.360
<v Speaker 1>many other people's stories, and I think, I remember, this

848
00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:10.519
<v Speaker 1>poor person was traumatized. I'm so grateful that that hasn't

849
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<v Speaker 1>happened to me, because I could only imagine how scary

850
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<v Speaker 1>I could really be, you know. And I think, especially

851
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<v Speaker 1>for those folks, it's probably so hard for them to

852
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<v Speaker 1>talk about it with people, because gosh, I mean like

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<v Speaker 1>when I saw the last sighting, I was actually very

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<v Speaker 1>very reluctant to tell my wife because I would just think, man,

855
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<v Speaker 1>she's going to think I'm crazy, you know. But I

856
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<v Speaker 1>did and she didn't think I'm crazy. It's just unbelievable,

857
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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. And I don't blame people

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<v Speaker 1>for not believing you, you know, but imagine being traumatized

859
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<v Speaker 1>by it. That's a whole other level. So I can

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<v Speaker 1>imagine it's probably a great place for those folks come

861
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<v Speaker 1>on your show and talk about it. And I just

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<v Speaker 1>think it's a great thing that you're doing for people.

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<v Speaker 2>It does it certainly does help people. It can be difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>We have all time types of people on here across

865
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<v Speaker 2>the whole spectrum, and you know, in different educational levels,

866
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<v Speaker 2>different various different jobs and stuff. And we know, if

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<v Speaker 2>i'd guess over the years, which have been in very

868
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<v Speaker 2>professional positions and they're having these very strange experiences and

869
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:18.039
<v Speaker 2>they don't have no one to speak to. And if

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00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:20.960
<v Speaker 2>you do have a partner that does understand and you

871
00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:23.360
<v Speaker 2>can talk to you, great, but that's just sometimes it's

872
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<v Speaker 2>just not always the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I I you know, I did have

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00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:34.480
<v Speaker 1>this one experience where I saw I saw like it

875
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:36.679
<v Speaker 1>looked like a light in my room. I forgot to

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00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:38.920
<v Speaker 1>tell you about that. Actually that was in London, and

877
00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:42.119
<v Speaker 1>that was that kind of scared me, but I wasn't traumatized.

878
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:46.519
<v Speaker 1>It actually appeared on command. Like I said something like

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00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:48.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm not afraid of you. I know you're there because

880
00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:51.440
<v Speaker 1>like my door closed, and then I said like I'm

881
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:54.960
<v Speaker 1>not afraid show yourself. And it looked like as if

882
00:51:55.880 --> 00:51:57.559
<v Speaker 1>someone was like holding a cigarette in the night and

883
00:51:57.599 --> 00:52:00.239
<v Speaker 1>the cherry of the cigarette just kind of illuminated in

884
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:02.400
<v Speaker 1>a circle. And because if someone waved her hand in

885
00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:05.599
<v Speaker 1>a circle, and that freaked me out, I covered my

886
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:08.360
<v Speaker 1>head with the blankets. Sorry I didn't include that.

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00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:11.239
<v Speaker 2>It's included now, oh great.

888
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:15.119
<v Speaker 1>Once again, like I have not been abducted. I've seen

889
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:17.519
<v Speaker 1>weird things. I seen like a friend of mine appear

890
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<v Speaker 1>at the edge of my bed, like as if I

891
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:21.639
<v Speaker 1>was looking at a person, and it was the room

892
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:24.639
<v Speaker 1>was dark. That was so strange, but I wasn't scared.

893
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:28.239
<v Speaker 1>It was quite a friendly visit. She was holding my guitar,

894
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:31.320
<v Speaker 1>and I later found out that she passed away, so

895
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<v Speaker 1>I think maybe she just visited me. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it relatively the same kind of timeline you found

897
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:40.039
<v Speaker 2>it she passed after I.

898
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:44.599
<v Speaker 1>Couldn't find out when she exactly passed away because I

899
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:47.119
<v Speaker 1>couldn't get in touch with the right people. It was.

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<v Speaker 1>She was friends with my mom as well, and my

901
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:52.880
<v Speaker 1>mom just told me when I spoke to her, she said,

902
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:55.519
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah. The last time I saw her was years ago,

903
00:52:55.639 --> 00:52:58.760
<v Speaker 1>and she was so skinny because she's just surgering her abdomen.

904
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<v Speaker 1>And then she said she was going to go in

905
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:04.119
<v Speaker 1>for another surgery, but her family kept telling her not

906
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:06.159
<v Speaker 1>to do it because she's going to die, but she

907
00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:09.480
<v Speaker 1>wasn't worried about it. She laughed at off and that

908
00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:12.519
<v Speaker 1>was the last thing my mom saw her. And then

909
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<v Speaker 1>the next thing my mom hears about her is me

910
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:16.440
<v Speaker 1>calling her in the night saying, hey, I saw her

911
00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:19.440
<v Speaker 1>in my bed, and I'll tell you something that what's

912
00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:22.960
<v Speaker 1>really interesting is that she sounded like she had cancer

913
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<v Speaker 1>in the abdomen, which was probably ovarian cancer, which was

914
00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:29.519
<v Speaker 1>exactly what my ex wife had at that time. So

915
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:33.000
<v Speaker 1>there is relevance I think to that my wife had

916
00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:36.320
<v Speaker 1>just her first major surgery and she had to have

917
00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:40.360
<v Speaker 1>to have two major surgeries. Or girl, she had ovarian

918
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:43.719
<v Speaker 1>cancer and she had to have a hysterectomy. That's my

919
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:49.280
<v Speaker 1>ex wife. She survived, but she was actually just recovering

920
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:53.760
<v Speaker 1>from the surgery and the chemotherapy. Chemotherapy is so it

921
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:57.639
<v Speaker 1>has such a huge impact that And actually that night

922
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<v Speaker 1>when my ex wife was in bed, she was telling

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<v Speaker 1>me right before I got into it, she said, there's

924
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<v Speaker 1>someone in the room and we were experiencing paranormal activity

925
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:08.880
<v Speaker 1>as well, things moving like a plant mood. We both

926
00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:11.480
<v Speaker 1>saw it was really strange. We were the only ones

927
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<v Speaker 1>in the house, so you know that that was the

928
00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:17.760
<v Speaker 1>same person I saw the UFO with, but it was

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00:54:18.039 --> 00:54:21.840
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't relatively in the same time. It was years.

930
00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:25.320
<v Speaker 1>It was years apart, you know, seeing the ghost or

931
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<v Speaker 1>to seeing the uf photograph at least two years apart.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting. Yeah, definitely could be some correlation there.

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely do believe. I do believe that her name

934
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<v Speaker 1>was Rita. I do believe that she visited because I

935
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<v Speaker 1>was helping to take care of my ex wife through

936
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<v Speaker 1>cancer and I think Rita had the same and probably

937
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<v Speaker 1>passed away from it.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting. That's interesting. Yeah, Adrus, I really appreciate you coming

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<v Speaker 2>on sharing that for our listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. It's my absolute pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>It was our pleasure. Do keep in contact, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, all right, well, thank you Nick, good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>You enjoyed the rest of your evening, and we will

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<v Speaker 2>speak soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, thank you, good night, bye for now, thank you bye.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's all for this episode. Keep updated and connected

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<v Speaker 2>with this show on x, Facebook and Instagram. And if

948
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:12.480
<v Speaker 2>you have an encounter that you'd like to share on

949
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:16.599
<v Speaker 2>the podcast, you can email me at UFO Chronicles at

950
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:19.559
<v Speaker 2>gmail dot com, or you can reach out to me

951
00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:24.159
<v Speaker 2>via the contact page on my website UFO Chronicles podcast

952
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<v Speaker 2>dot com. A big thank you Adrius for sharing tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>and thank you all for listening. I will be back

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<v Speaker 2>next week. Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye,
