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Speaker 4: Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their
Speaker 4: experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,
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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you
Speaker 2: all doing. I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO
Speaker 2: Chronicles podcast. You may have seen or heard the bite
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Speaker 2: Timeline about historic cases. Well, we have another serious starting
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Speaker 2: we cover everything strange and unexplained. Here. For tonight's guests,
Speaker 2: we meet Adrias from San Diego, California. And when Adris
Speaker 2: stepped outside into the quiet night air, he wasn't expecting
Speaker 2: to see anything unusual. But there it was, hovering above
Speaker 2: the tree tops, a large matt black craft. It didn't
Speaker 2: move and it didn't make a sound. Its surface was
Speaker 2: smoothed with brushed metal ridges, and on either side two
Speaker 2: red light glowed stacked vertically like signals. Adrias has seen
Speaker 2: other things in the sky before in London, free glowing
Speaker 2: orbs drifted through moonlit clouds, moved in unnatural patterns. A
Speaker 2: colleague later confirmed the same sighting. A few months after that,
Speaker 2: during lockdown, a craft appeared above Crystal Palace. It looked
Speaker 2: like two diamond shaped pods connected by shift in fields
Speaker 2: of purple and gold lights. Others saw it too. In California,
Speaker 2: near Vandenberg, he caught sight of a smooth, featureless object
Speaker 2: during the day that also vanished without sound, and later
Speaker 2: that year, walking his dogs, he saw another object light
Speaker 2: up with a flash of blue plasma before disappearing. Adrias
Speaker 2: is up next, but first, if you enjoyed the show
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Speaker 2: to the podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Nick, pleasure to be here.
Speaker 2: It is great to have you join us today and
Speaker 2: you're calling from California.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, San Diego County to the exact good stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay, now you have a few experiences to share with us.
Speaker 2: Would you like to start a beginning please, sir?
Speaker 1: Sure, absolutely, Well, when I was about I'd say, about
Speaker 1: four or five years old. I was back in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles County. Me and my brother were sitting in the
Speaker 1: backseat of my mom's car while she was driving, and
Speaker 1: we're driving. I believe it was in North Hollywood, near
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Valley College, and it was in daytime, probably
Speaker 1: around three o'clock. I distinctively remembered it because it startled
Speaker 1: it and we just saw it. It looked like like
Speaker 1: a big like a sun just lying my past the sky.
Speaker 1: I mean, like a fireball, but it was. It was big,
Speaker 1: and I would say it was probably like the size
Speaker 1: of a baseball diamond something like that, because we could
Speaker 1: see it fly past us, and it wasn't very close,
Speaker 1: but we can see it was behind buildings and around
Speaker 1: that area there are apartment buildings that aren't very tall.
Speaker 1: They're just probably about four to five stories high, so
Speaker 1: it must have been flying low. And it didn't have
Speaker 1: any kind of trail of smoke, did not make a sound,
Speaker 1: and it just made us jump. And you know, my mom,
Speaker 1: my own am was striving and she's like, what what
Speaker 1: what what what'd you see? And and we we just saw,
Speaker 1: you know, didn't you see it? And she just didn't know.
Speaker 1: She didn't know what happened. It was like, oh, okay, whatever,
Speaker 1: So that kind of stuck with us. Me and my
Speaker 1: brother spoke. Really had no idea what it was. But
Speaker 1: it's interesting because there were publications back then, and I
Speaker 1: was probably around nineteen seventy nine. There were publications about
Speaker 1: Hunga people, and Tahunga is a certain area in that
Speaker 1: part of the San Fernando Valley. It's also a road
Speaker 1: right near the neighborhood we grew up. And it was
Speaker 1: written by I believe, a gentleman that covered the story
Speaker 1: of the Tall White. I think he made like a
Speaker 1: recent documentary called Walking with the Tall White. We can
Speaker 1: talk a little more about that later, but it's just
Speaker 1: interesting because maybe I had something to do with it.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. But then the next fighting was many
Speaker 1: many years later, like decades later. I didn't see anything
Speaker 1: for at least three decades, and I was in London
Speaker 1: because me and my brother went to study in life
Speaker 1: and I was in Crystal Palace. To be exact, it
Speaker 1: wasn't that long ago. I think it was about twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: maybe twenty nineteen. It was shortly before COVID and it
Speaker 1: was my birthday. It was late at night and I
Speaker 1: was just sitting in the backyard having a couple of beers,
Speaker 1: listened to some music, and it was like a beautiful evening.
Speaker 1: The sky was fairly clear, I could see the moon.
Speaker 1: There was just some like ribbons of clouds, very very thin.
Speaker 1: It was almost like a lamp shade of the moonlight.
Speaker 1: And slowly was surely the clouds just thicker. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't actually that slow. It was quick, just rolled right in,
Speaker 1: and what appeared to be like beams of light from
Speaker 1: the moon coming through the clouds, all of a sudden
Speaker 1: just formed into three separate orbs, and they were very
Speaker 1: very large, and I'm guessing they were probably about I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe like a mile away. It's hard to
Speaker 1: tell because cloud And then in my nighttime, but what
Speaker 1: was unusual was the way the clouds were rolling in
Speaker 1: to my last It looked like the kind of cloud
Speaker 1: formation like woolwind you see in a vacuum cleaner. That
Speaker 1: was weird. And then my ex wife, you know, she
Speaker 1: came out and said, all right, time for bed. Why
Speaker 1: I like, hey, I saw something, She said, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 1: come to bed. It was really funny. But then what
Speaker 1: was really strange was the next day I went to
Speaker 1: work and I was teaching at college, and I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say anything to any colleagues, just the fear of ridicule.
Speaker 1: But for some reason I just felt compelled to share
Speaker 1: this information with my colleague that worked at the front desk,
Speaker 1: and she actually corroborated my story. She saw it herself
Speaker 1: as she was lying in bed, just gazing up into
Speaker 1: the night sky, and I just thought that was very interesting. So,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't see it on my own. She
Speaker 1: saw it, and well, that was just strange. But that
Speaker 1: was that sighting. And then there was an incredible sighting
Speaker 1: not long after that during the daytime. And this was
Speaker 1: during COVID. It was in mid January, I believe, twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: And it was at the time when no one was
Speaker 1: allowed to walk around outside or sorry, no one was
Speaker 1: allowed to go into like businesses. In fact, most of
Speaker 1: the businesses were closed. I think it was only supermarkets
Speaker 1: were open and people were allowed to walk around and outside.
Speaker 1: My ex wife and her cousin went for a walk
Speaker 1: and they were supposed to maintain six feet distance and
Speaker 1: so they weren't allowed. People weren't allowed to have any
Speaker 1: strangers in the house or any people that did not
Speaker 1: live in the house or in your flat. So when
Speaker 1: my ex wife and her cousin came back after a
Speaker 1: walk outside, they decided to have tea outside in the
Speaker 1: backyard where I saw those lights. So I joined them
Speaker 1: for that tea, and all three of us saw it.
Speaker 1: It just came out of the sky, like as if
Speaker 1: some sort of cloaking just kind of turned off, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden we could see it, and it
Speaker 1: was traveling straight towards us, like it was going to
Speaker 1: fly over us, but right behind us. It must have
Speaker 1: been able to see that London was right behind us,
Speaker 1: because we lived in Crystal Palace, you know the listeners
Speaker 1: out there. It's kind of high up on a hill,
Speaker 1: the second highest point in London. So whatever was flying
Speaker 1: must have seen that there was a big city. Slowly
Speaker 1: started to turn and it I think it was going
Speaker 1: about forty months, that's how slow it was. It just
Speaker 1: slowly flew off into the distance, just towards the horizon,
Speaker 1: and I kept my eyes locked on it, and I
Speaker 1: was I was like thinking it was going to just
Speaker 1: zoom off, but it just carried on going really really
Speaker 1: slow and strange is looking thing. It did not look
Speaker 1: like a saucer, not like a triangle, nothing like that.
Speaker 1: It was like two diamond shaped kind of pods that
Speaker 1: were roughly the size of a single decker bus. And
Speaker 1: I'm able to determine roughly the size because I first
Speaker 1: saw it without my glasses on and they were just
Speaker 1: next to me, and I put them on, and I
Speaker 1: can see so much clearer right because my vision is
Speaker 1: just slightly blurried, not very bad, but I can basically
Speaker 1: understand how far away the craft was by the detail,
Speaker 1: you know, compared to putting on my glass compared to
Speaker 1: not wearing glasses. And it looked like it was flying
Speaker 1: over the park, which was roughly about six hundred, no
Speaker 1: more than nine hundred feet away from our flat. We
Speaker 1: lived on a hill, so we had a really good
Speaker 1: view of the park. And it's not Crystal Palace Park.
Speaker 1: It's a very very small park called the Wreck, I
Speaker 1: guess in the recreation ground something like that. They called
Speaker 1: it the Wreck. Yeah. So it had these two diamond
Speaker 1: shaped pods and they were loading like as if there
Speaker 1: were balloons. It was really strange. There was no windows.
Speaker 1: The surface looked very much like these these gray kind
Speaker 1: of stealthy bombers we have in America, those ones that
Speaker 1: take off like a harrier jet. I forgot the name
Speaker 1: of that bomber, but it looked like that. And first
Speaker 1: there was four piece, two large butt sized pods, and
Speaker 1: in between them, above them and below them, we're smaller
Speaker 1: size of a canoe, like really small. Then they eventually
Speaker 1: kind of just connected to the pods like magnetically. It
Speaker 1: was strange. There was no moving parts, no cables, nothing.
Speaker 1: Even weirder thing about this was these two pods were
Speaker 1: connected with this square shape set of orbs. If you
Speaker 1: were to take a square and pop it up on
Speaker 1: the corner, that's what it looked like. And there were
Speaker 1: two rows of orbs. Outer orbs were curple, probably about
Speaker 1: four on each side, and then there was an inner
Speaker 1: square of orbs that were gold and okay, so orbs square.
Speaker 1: But what was even stranger was that it was contracting
Speaker 1: and expanding, contracting and expanding just like that continuously. That
Speaker 1: square was like some sort of a pole. I can't
Speaker 1: explain how, but that's what it looked like. And it
Speaker 1: just kept contracting and expanding as it turned, and it
Speaker 1: was like a sale. I mean you can see it
Speaker 1: from the side, and then you can see it from
Speaker 1: the rear, and it just kept going and contracting, expanding
Speaker 1: all the way down to the horizon until I just
Speaker 1: couldn't see it anymore, and I had my eyes on it.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to take my eyes off of it.
Speaker 1: So what I did was I saying, like a song
Speaker 1: in my head, very very interesting, and it wasn't scary.
Speaker 1: We were just completely blown away by it. I did
Speaker 1: try to write on Facebook, like, hey, did anyone see it?
Speaker 1: Because I just thought someone must have seen it. Everyone
Speaker 1: was just making fun of me, you know, saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you've been drinking too many fints ay, and we were
Speaker 1: just drinking tea, you know, English tea. So that was
Speaker 1: that fighting. And then there was just a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago. So this was like a year and a
Speaker 1: half ago. There were two different fightings, probably a couple
Speaker 1: of months apart. I can't remember exactly when, but I
Speaker 1: was with my new I We live on a ranch
Speaker 1: and it was in Santa Barbara County. I won't say
Speaker 1: exactly where, but it was near Vandenburg Space for Space,
Speaker 1: about twenty miles away. We can see like the Walcket ships.
Speaker 1: We even seen the satellites at night, which are creepy
Speaker 1: if you don't know what they are, because we knew
Speaker 1: what they were satellites. I saw it was in the
Speaker 1: day and I just saw it for like five seconds.
Speaker 1: We were feeding horses. She didn't see it because I
Speaker 1: had to run back to the barn. And it just
Speaker 1: looked like like the space station without any detail. It
Speaker 1: was just like that. It didn't have solar panels and
Speaker 1: it didn't have any detail. It was just like kind
Speaker 1: of like the tac sighting, but it wasn't just tictack.
Speaker 1: It was a structure, but it had that kind of surface,
Speaker 1: was just white, very smooth, a cylindrical part and it
Speaker 1: was just floating. And where I was looking was towards
Speaker 1: the beach. Now I can't see the beach, but the
Speaker 1: mountain that goes over towards the beach. In fact, the
Speaker 1: Fall Boys used to come in every morning from the
Speaker 1: beach up onto our ranch, so we were literally like
Speaker 1: a thirty minute drive beach not that far. And then
Speaker 1: a couple months later I saw something when we were
Speaker 1: walking the dogs, and she just missed it. She was
Speaker 1: right next to me, and I saw something very reflective
Speaker 1: up in the sky. It was probably about a mile away.
Speaker 1: It looked like the sun reflected off of it really brilliant.
Speaker 1: So first I thought of helicopter, but I didn't hear
Speaker 1: a helicopter, didn't hear any propeller is nothing. And then
Speaker 1: what appeared was what is known as plasma. I think
Speaker 1: what's his name are? He mentioned that happened when they
Speaker 1: were experimenting with that sort UFO, saying that like a
Speaker 1: plasma starts to form before take off, and well, that's
Speaker 1: what I saw. And the plasma For the listeners, if
Speaker 1: they don't know what I'm talking about, plasma would be
Speaker 1: like as if you were to light a match and
Speaker 1: then the match is burning and then the match flame
Speaker 1: just just dies down to like a green flame. And
Speaker 1: then it looked like this kind of turquoise light, bluish green,
Speaker 1: spherical circular, well like a crescent moon kind of plasma flame.
Speaker 1: And then that craft just kind of zoomed off into
Speaker 1: the distance. I didn't see it go across the horizon.
Speaker 1: It just like as if it went like the opposite
Speaker 1: direction of my line of site. That was kind of cool,
Speaker 1: But then so we just moved to San Diego County.
Speaker 1: We moved on to another ranch. Of course I can't
Speaker 1: close exact location, but to a small valley and we're about,
Speaker 1: you know, four thousand feet in elevation, a very small community,
Speaker 1: and right around us in the ranch or like mountain peaks,
Speaker 1: high desert, and well, there was a blackout that was
Speaker 1: going to happen because of the winds. So sure enough
Speaker 1: the blackout happened. We were in bed, and then I
Speaker 1: knew exactly what to do. I jumped out of my bed.
Speaker 1: I put on like a head lamp over my forehead,
Speaker 1: and I would have to run all the way down
Speaker 1: to the barn and start the generator, which is just
Speaker 1: like a cordy pull like on the old long or
Speaker 1: so that's what I was doing. I walked out the
Speaker 1: front door, wasn't thinking of anything, just had my light
Speaker 1: on my head, walking down the stairs. I'm off the
Speaker 1: deck and then onto the main driveway and then I
Speaker 1: I see it was this thing. It was once again
Speaker 1: it was I was just so fort so close like
Speaker 1: the other UFO and Crystal Palace. It was it was
Speaker 1: just front of the mountain. Here, this mountain peak, which
Speaker 1: is only about a thousand feet away, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: talking like a thousand feet is a it is roughly
Speaker 1: for I guess Americans, it's roughly the distance of an
Speaker 1: off ramp from a freeway, okay, or a quarter mile,
Speaker 1: you know, and if if you know a little bit
Speaker 1: about racing cars, quarter mile is yay about you know
Speaker 1: about a thousand feet. So anyway, first noticed this bright,
Speaker 1: reflective kind of surface that reminded me of the truck
Speaker 1: that I see on the highway right, the kind that
Speaker 1: like your headlights would reflect off. So I'm thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: because I was in bed, I'm thinking, oh, it's just
Speaker 1: a truck. But it's like there's no road up there.
Speaker 1: It's just it's like there's really cool looking rock face
Speaker 1: on the mountain. Thinking no, that's not a truck. So
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it and I'm thinking, oh, maybe it's
Speaker 1: an airplane. Right. I noticed these bright red lights on
Speaker 1: both ends. But then I don't hear a sound. It's
Speaker 1: not actually flying over this mountain peak. It's in front
Speaker 1: of it, which means I'm thinking in my head, dude,
Speaker 1: this thing is right in front of me. Right. I
Speaker 1: see lightbulbs, huge light bulbs that aren't turned on because
Speaker 1: my headlamp. It's so powerful that it really illuminated this object.
Speaker 1: So I'm walking as I'm looking at this thing, and
Speaker 1: I don't want a trip because I know, and the
Speaker 1: driveway is littally eroded part of the driveway from the rain.
Speaker 1: So I just take one glance down and I look
Speaker 1: back up and it's still there, and this time just
Speaker 1: going so slow. Just now it's near the top of
Speaker 1: this mountain peak in front of the this cool looking
Speaker 1: rocky face of the mountain peak right in front of it.
Speaker 1: And that's when I notice what's behind this reflective kind
Speaker 1: of shape. It looked like a reflective cross. I can
Speaker 1: get some more detail about it later, but what I
Speaker 1: noticed behind it was a fuselage and looked like a clam.
Speaker 1: And the reason why I say looks like a clam
Speaker 1: because of the ridges they had. Like clams, they have
Speaker 1: ridges to it. This thing had ridges to it. So
Speaker 1: dan that's when I realized, oh my god, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at a bonfly. Two. Oh my god. Okay, here I
Speaker 1: go again, and then then once again I looked down
Speaker 1: so I make sure I don't trip. I'm learning cowboy
Speaker 1: boots they can be kind of clumsy, you know, And
Speaker 1: there's rocks and stuff and gravel on this driveway. And
Speaker 1: then I glanced back up. I mean, I'm not turning
Speaker 1: my head, I'm just shifting my eyes. My eyes back
Speaker 1: up and that it's gone. Not a sound, but an
Speaker 1: amazing sight. So that we can talk more about the
Speaker 1: detail on that, because I really got a good look
Speaker 1: at it. So and that's it. Really, those are all
Speaker 1: the side news I've had. My wife said she saw something.
Speaker 1: We also saw one just big white light fitting It
Speaker 1: looked like a window or like a doorway, and we
Speaker 1: figured it might have been Venus. But we looked at
Speaker 1: the constellation chart on an app and Venus was really
Speaker 1: far off, like in a different angle. And Venus is bright,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't as bright as that was strange too.
Speaker 1: But I will tell you what happened that night. I
Speaker 1: saw that clam shaped kind of a ufo. So I
Speaker 1: went back up into the bedroom. My wife, you won't
Speaker 1: believe me what I saw. Came back outside to check
Speaker 1: things with the generator, didn't see anything, so we went
Speaker 1: back to bed. We had to start the generator because
Speaker 1: we needed the internet on and because there were a
Speaker 1: lot of powerful winds that were blowing down, I guess
Speaker 1: our lines and stuff like that. So we just needed
Speaker 1: to be safe. Anyways, So tucked back in the bed
Speaker 1: and you know, we pray, We prayed before we ate.
Speaker 1: You know, we are not very religious, but we do
Speaker 1: believe in God. And well, you know, I'm going to
Speaker 1: right because if anyone's listening, now, a good time, right.
Speaker 1: So I prayed, prayed, and I had the most lucid
Speaker 1: dream that night ever in my life. It was just weird. Basically,
Speaker 1: fell asleep and I was with my wife in this dream,
Speaker 1: and we're just hanging out in some backyard and a
Speaker 1: bunch of helicopters in my dream, and I looked like
Speaker 1: they were looking for something, and then they kind of
Speaker 1: cornered us. Also, there's loads of their helicopters around us.
Speaker 1: And then one of them comes down. It looks like
Speaker 1: a sets my aeroplane and it transforms like a transformer
Speaker 1: and lands kind of like a helicopter. And then these
Speaker 1: two people come out and they looked very odd. They
Speaker 1: didn't they were humanoid, but they just looked oddly chubby
Speaker 1: in weird places, kind of inhuman. And they held us
Speaker 1: down gm and I remember saying, just you know, make
Speaker 1: sure you take my wife with me. And then this
Speaker 1: other guy comes out nowhere and he looks human and
Speaker 1: he just kind of approaches me like as if the
Speaker 1: doctor was very much in charge and is about to
Speaker 1: do a procedure on and has these two pens that
Speaker 1: light up really brightly, and he put him to my
Speaker 1: eyeballs and I felt that really hard for and I
Speaker 1: felt like a jolt of electricity, and I remember just
Speaker 1: kind of melting in my bed, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I was somewhere else. I was in a different place,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking around and there's like other people and
Speaker 1: they're all hanging out, and it was a very strange
Speaker 1: looking kind of social gathering. And some of these people
Speaker 1: were very very strange looking. One guy was looked kind
Speaker 1: of of African origin but a little differently, but I
Speaker 1: kind of looked that he just doesn't look familiar. And
Speaker 1: there's a couple other people that look as if they
Speaker 1: were mixture with Asian. And then there was one guy
Speaker 1: this was so dark hang out and they're just looking
Speaker 1: at me like, oh, okay, you know, like here do
Speaker 1: something I don't know. And then then I walked through
Speaker 1: another room and there's these people kind of torsos are
Speaker 1: shaped very much like a apple. They got long, skinny appendages,
Speaker 1: and their heads were they had like big noses, like
Speaker 1: almost I could be like a bird, but they were
Speaker 1: obviously like mammals, like they didn't have fur, but that's in.
Speaker 1: They had this weird kind of these dresses was coming
Speaker 1: out of the top of their head ends roots, and
Speaker 1: and then I walked out into another room and it
Speaker 1: just felt like I was in a Then there was
Speaker 1: normal people and there every room I walked in, everyone
Speaker 1: was just staring at me and not completely strength, looking
Speaker 1: at me knowing that I wasn't from that. And then
Speaker 1: I just I guess the dream ended, and I woke
Speaker 1: up the next morning and I felt so arrested. I
Speaker 1: never felt so arrested in my life. And my wife
Speaker 1: about that dream, and that was really weird. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't say it was an outer body experience.
Speaker 1: I've never had one of those, so I don't know
Speaker 1: what they feel like. I don't believe I was abducted.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I don't believe people aren't get abducted
Speaker 1: or not. But I can't say that was a lucid dream.
Speaker 1: That's about it, Nick.
Speaker 2: Good stuff. Interesting. Have you ever had a dream like
Speaker 2: that before, a lucid dream?
Speaker 1: The last one I had was when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: eight years old. I had a dream that Bigfoot was
Speaker 1: like a basement of our house and was in a
Speaker 1: cage and he broke out or something like that. But
Speaker 1: it wasn't as lucid it was. It was just it
Speaker 1: was a nightmare. It was a nightmare. I had chicken pox.
Speaker 1: I'd lost a lot of sleep, so that that was
Speaker 1: just it was a nightmare as a kind of memory.
Speaker 1: You get up all sweating and the only time I
Speaker 1: can think of but this lucid dream was a good feeling.
Speaker 1: I felt so good. So I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I had anything to do with it, but
Speaker 1: I'll tell you something really trippy though. So the next
Speaker 1: day I thought about I was like, okay, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to look up UFO sightings and punch
Speaker 1: in the name of the area that I live in,
Speaker 1: like the valley, and oh my god, there's actually one
Speaker 1: posted on YouTube and they used doctor Greer's a CE
Speaker 1: five meditation technique, and there's like footage of people just
Speaker 1: like it's like the type of typical kind of CEE
Speaker 1: five footage. You see where they have the cameras pointing
Speaker 1: straight up into the stars and you can clearly see
Speaker 1: there's like brightly lit objects that's just pointing down these
Speaker 1: beams of light at them and they respond with their
Speaker 1: lasers and stuff like that. And that tripped me out
Speaker 1: because this is a very secluded area, not what s
Speaker 1: angelis or Santa Barbara County. It's very far away where
Speaker 1: you're from the city. Oddly enough, you know, all the
Speaker 1: sidings I had, except the one in San Fernando Valley
Speaker 1: when I was a little boy, they have all bit
Speaker 1: near military base, so I don't know if that was anything.
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Speaker 2: What about any other experiences on that ranch, in particular,
Speaker 2: anything paranormal or anything a little bit odd, not at all.
Speaker 1: I have seen paranormal clear as day, kind of ghostly
Speaker 1: person at the edge of my bed in London, but
Speaker 1: it was never it was never like in line with
Speaker 1: any kind of UFO activity.
Speaker 2: Usually when someone has had a UFO experience and encounters,
Speaker 2: there is usually paranormal activity that's been involved in their past.
Speaker 2: Doesn't always have to be completely connected, but it just
Speaker 2: seems some people tend to be more open than others.
Speaker 1: I guess, so, I mean, I mean, there was one
Speaker 1: there I did actually experience like I guess you could
Speaker 1: consider sasquatch encounters, but I've never seen one, and the
Speaker 1: only reason why I call it Sasquatch encounters because I
Speaker 1: started listening to that Sasquat show by West and I
Speaker 1: realized that these weird experiences I've had in the past
Speaker 1: were very similar to other people's encounters. And I can
Speaker 1: tell you a little about it. I mean, I used
Speaker 1: to go to a friend's house when I was kid,
Speaker 1: all the way up to my twenties, and it was
Speaker 1: his parents' house, and they lived in Ugara Hills, and
Speaker 1: they lived in an area where it was like do
Speaker 1: you not right on the edge of civilization. There was
Speaker 1: a fence, there were signs saying do not trespass. Military
Speaker 1: like it was the desert all the way to like
Speaker 1: a military base called Roswald, not Roswell, but Roswald. I've
Speaker 1: actually seen on gate on that military base, but didn't
Speaker 1: see an e UFOs there. But we'd be like hanging
Speaker 1: out and his house, his parents' house was right on
Speaker 1: top of a hill, so it was at the highest
Speaker 1: point of that entire neighborhood. We can see other houses
Speaker 1: on different hills. I mean, it was really cool. You
Speaker 1: can shout out your name and you can hear to
Speaker 1: echo back, and there was weird things like something would
Speaker 1: always go through his trash and I'd see the next
Speaker 1: day boxes like pizza boxes was on your boxes, not
Speaker 1: just thrown around, but perfectly stacked neatly on the wall
Speaker 1: next to the garbage, you know. I mean, I remember
Speaker 1: asking him, what's going on here, You're looking through your
Speaker 1: trash and he said, no, no coyotes. I just I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. I just didn't understand. And other things
Speaker 1: like there would always be something that hang on the
Speaker 1: window right he said, oh, no, it's just the wind.
Speaker 1: And one time I did see the wind. Do it
Speaker 1: fair enough? Okay? So one night it happened again and
Speaker 1: me and him were just hanging out drinking some whiskey,
Speaker 1: you know, we were probably underage drink and his parents
Speaker 1: are off traveling and bam hit hear this bang, And
Speaker 1: I told him, dude, there's no wind outside, and he
Speaker 1: was like, okay, let's go check it out. And we
Speaker 1: went outside and we're looking at the ridge where these
Speaker 1: pine trees are in the fence where you know, if
Speaker 1: you go past that fence, it's like the illegal military
Speaker 1: owns it, government owns it, whatever government land. And we
Speaker 1: hear movement next to the pine tree, but we can't
Speaker 1: see because the floodlight that illuminates the backyard just don't
Speaker 1: illuminate that area. And out of nowhere, a little green
Speaker 1: pine cone just flies out lns right in front of
Speaker 1: our feet. There was a little green one, which means
Speaker 1: it was plucked from the tree. Now a big, dry,
Speaker 1: brown one, and that kind of freaked it out. So
Speaker 1: we said, hey, we've got guns in here, don't be
Speaker 1: messing around. We went back in the house and was like, okay,
Speaker 1: what the hell was that. We just didn't talk about
Speaker 1: it again. Also, another night, we were hanging out on
Speaker 1: top of the front lawn just drinking whiskey. Again. You know,
Speaker 1: we weren't getting two hammered or anything like that. But
Speaker 1: we hear something walking through the neighborhood. And you know,
Speaker 1: this neighborhood is all all big ranch propa by land
Speaker 1: like with fences and they got horses and stuff. And
Speaker 1: here's the dogs is barking, going crazy and whatever is
Speaker 1: walking down the street the only street that's unpaved, mind you,
Speaker 1: and you hear more dogs barking, like kissing off all
Speaker 1: these animals, and then it goes into this creek bed
Speaker 1: where it's drying it's got loads of this shrub or
Speaker 1: bush called menzonita. Mensanita is so harsh and crunchy and
Speaker 1: hard and thorny. Human being cannot go through without tearing
Speaker 1: off his clothes and coming out all scratched and bloody.
Speaker 1: I know, because we used to play in it and
Speaker 1: we hated it. We didn't we didn't like playing in it.
Speaker 1: We'd always skipped scratcheduff. Also because there's loads of rattlesnakes
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, scorpions. So we're hearing this thing
Speaker 1: and it sounded really big, and it's like going through
Speaker 1: it like no problem, I guess, making so much noise
Speaker 1: just going through this dry creek bed, and it must
Speaker 1: have walked at least one hundred feet, and we're just
Speaker 1: kind of observing, like listening, and we're shouting at them
Speaker 1: like hey, hey, what are you doing. No response, And
Speaker 1: then it takes it like a turn away from us
Speaker 1: towards this ridge line that goes towards that government property.
Speaker 1: And the ridge line is probably the ridge is probably
Speaker 1: about I don't know, eighty feet high. It's not very high,
Speaker 1: but it's pretty much straight up and whatever walks up it,
Speaker 1: we can barely see movement, but we can hear its footstep.
Speaker 1: It just goes up within thirty seconds and it's over
Speaker 1: the ridge and me and him we're just thinking, like
Speaker 1: that's impossible, right. That's that one. Another one was where
Speaker 1: I went with my bass player of a band go
Speaker 1: to this cave up in a different areas to paying
Speaker 1: a canyon, which is far enough, like thirty minutes from
Speaker 1: agra a hill, and we wanted to go like smoke
Speaker 1: a doobie. We hadn't smoked it yet, so we're like,
Speaker 1: let's go to the cave and enjoy this dooby together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nice summer night. So we go there and once again,
Speaker 1: there's this menzanita bush, very thick, and there's a certain
Speaker 1: way you have to get around the bush and down
Speaker 1: this path that goes in front of the cave, and
Speaker 1: then you walk up to the cave and we hear
Speaker 1: voices and you can clearly hear people no matter how
Speaker 1: thick the brush is, you can really hear people when
Speaker 1: they speak when they're that close. I mean it was
Speaker 1: literally just like twenty feet away, and it sounded like
Speaker 1: like someone speaking backwards, like when you play the record backwards.
Speaker 1: And I am very familiar with Eastern European languages because
Speaker 1: my mother is from Hungary. She also speaks German, had
Speaker 1: Russian teachers, Ukrainian teachers, just in like music in the arts,
Speaker 1: like la like that, and Polish. I understand, I can
Speaker 1: identify the language whether it's Slavic or German. This wasn't
Speaker 1: anything like that or French. My father's friends and it
Speaker 1: was like it just didn't anything like I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was really strange. So anyway, I recommend it to
Speaker 1: my friend. I said, hey, it's just announced that we're here,
Speaker 1: because I don't want to just you know, barging on someone.
Speaker 1: There's no light. Obviously two people there's one talking to
Speaker 1: another one and we and my friend said, hey, we're here.
Speaker 1: We just want to smoke this joint. You're welcome to
Speaker 1: share it with us. And the talking stops, and then
Speaker 1: we look at it right. That means we can't go
Speaker 1: down there. And then something just jumps from the point
Speaker 1: where we hear the voices jumps like a good twenty
Speaker 1: thirty feet to our left and lands and you can
Speaker 1: hear it because there's loads of oak trees as well.
Speaker 1: The leaves are dry the summer, you know, and then
Speaker 1: it just starts like sounds like it's falling through the
Speaker 1: Menzania bush towards us, and it's putting on this kind
Speaker 1: of bad imitation of a mountain lion. I mean mountain lions.
Speaker 1: They had a certain growl. And I've heard him before
Speaker 1: at this place called the Wildlife way Station with the
Speaker 1: mountain lions and lions, and they can be really loud.
Speaker 1: It sounded like bad imitation. So I don't know. We ran,
Speaker 1: we were scared, and we just bolted. Never ran that
Speaker 1: last ever in my life. And I think that's probably
Speaker 1: about it. I mean, I didn't see anything, so I
Speaker 1: apologize to your listeners, but you know that's sasquatch. I
Speaker 1: did see more UFOs and even ghosts, and well, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: That's pretty strange. Do you think your friend was in denial?
Speaker 2: I mean, Kyle is you know they don't stack pizza boxes.
Speaker 1: I think so, it's just I mean, I could tell
Speaker 1: you one more little thing that I remember about that house,
Speaker 1: my friend, and in a garrill, will you know when
Speaker 1: we were kids, we used to play a lot in
Speaker 1: the dirt, right and we would see these little stones
Speaker 1: backed but I'm not talking about rocks, Okay, a lot
Speaker 1: of people do that. They'll stack rocks and creeks and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. These were little stones that you would
Speaker 1: pick up with your fingers and they looked like a
Speaker 1: little miniature pyramids. It was really strange, and it looked
Speaker 1: like as if they just a little handful of stone
Speaker 1: and just kind of neatly stacked it by closing their fingers,
Speaker 1: I guess. And we found loads of these, like they
Speaker 1: looked like markers around the hill. House was on, okay,
Speaker 1: and they're thinking, okay, what is this. And I remember
Speaker 1: showing your friend and we're like tripping out on it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, but if you think a squirrel or raccoon
Speaker 1: could do that? And why you know? And then I
Speaker 1: figured it out just from listening to these like sasquat
Speaker 1: stories that they they always liked to trip up the floodlights,
Speaker 1: but they never showed themselves. They never stand directly in
Speaker 1: the light, and that used to happen a lot. When
Speaker 1: I stated his house, floodlights would always turn on. Now
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, it could have been other animals, fine,
Speaker 1: but those little stones were at the perimeter of where
Speaker 1: the floodlight being sensors would reach, so any further than that,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't trip off the light, and we know that
Speaker 1: because we'd go outside at night as well, So that
Speaker 1: was weird. And another another kind of weird thing that
Speaker 1: would happen to me over there was that I'd get
Speaker 1: kind of weird paralyzing fear. I'd wake up in the
Speaker 1: middle of my sleep only at his house, and that's
Speaker 1: the slowlights would for sure be on, and I'd just
Speaker 1: be like paralyzed in fear. It would take me so
Speaker 1: much energy to just turn my head towards the window
Speaker 1: because I was so afraid something at me, like I
Speaker 1: actually felt like I was being watched. And when I
Speaker 1: when I heard these stories, then it just connected all
Speaker 1: the thoughts from me. It was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you know, the floodlights, paralyzed fear, the stacking of the trash,
Speaker 1: real neat, the throwing of a pine cone, you know,
Speaker 1: objects that people things like that, And that's when I realized, like,
Speaker 1: was I, you know, experiencing like a local sab squats
Speaker 1: And I actually did look it up online. I think
Speaker 1: it was the BFRO. There actually were a couple of
Speaker 1: sightings in that immediate area, so you know, maybe there's
Speaker 1: like a family that live there. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: it's anyway, it's strange stuff. Wow.
Speaker 2: Interesting. I'd like to go back to this, this clam
Speaker 2: shaped object. Can you give us a little bit more
Speaker 2: detail about it, because that was relatively recent.
Speaker 1: That was that was in January twenty five. Yeah. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: when I first set my eyes on it, and when
Speaker 1: I first saw that reflective material I told you about that,
Speaker 1: like that reminded me of the rear end of a
Speaker 1: truck or a lorry. Reflective material was in the shape
Speaker 1: of a cross. Okay, but the arms of the cross
Speaker 1: that were running I guess you could say vertically, not horizontally.
Speaker 1: The vertical arms were very short, and the horizontal arms
Speaker 1: of the cross were very long, so I'm assuming that
Speaker 1: was probably I guess the width of the craft. And
Speaker 1: then on each end of the long horizontal arms of
Speaker 1: the cross had two really bright red lights, but I'm
Speaker 1: talking like two on each side. It reminded me of
Speaker 1: like a I think a fifty seven Cadillac, like those
Speaker 1: flame shaped kind of tail lights, kind of like that.
Speaker 1: And then I also mentioned there was light bulbs weren't
Speaker 1: turned on that were in that cross. Okay, there was
Speaker 1: probably about five of them, and they were in a
Speaker 1: formation of the cross as well. Really big light bulbs,
Speaker 1: but probably the size of like a watermelon, really large watermelon,
Speaker 1: or like a beach ball, more like a beach ballb.
Speaker 1: They were huge, and they weren't turned on, but I
Speaker 1: can see they were light bulbs and they didn't have
Speaker 1: a filament in it, but they just looked like a
Speaker 1: light bulb. And then the detail around the light bulbs
Speaker 1: within that cross, Oh my god, it looked like cilia
Speaker 1: that you'd see on like a sand dollar, but it
Speaker 1: was incredibly reflective. Or it looked more like a tinsel.
Speaker 1: Is it called tinsel that you hang on a Christmas tree.
Speaker 1: It looked like that, but the tinsil was very, very large,
Speaker 1: and they weren't just like simsy thin plastic. They were
Speaker 1: all perfectly mounted and lined up like scales on armor.
Speaker 1: They were kind of moving like silly like it was
Speaker 1: probably the wind that was moving it, because it was
Speaker 1: very windy, and I suppose that that sillia kind of
Speaker 1: tinsil would have been so reflective, so if they were
Speaker 1: to turn on those big light bulbs, they would have
Speaker 1: litten up the entire house incredibly bright. It would have
Speaker 1: been blind. That's how big those light bulbs look like.
Speaker 1: So it looked like a really good kind of design
Speaker 1: for a headlight. And then of course when it set
Speaker 1: that last glance and I saw all the uselage behind it,
Speaker 1: because I guess it kind of reared up a little
Speaker 1: more where my light from my head light wasn't as
Speaker 1: bright so that I can actually see behind the reflective cross.
Speaker 1: Then it was black. The clam was like a black color,
Speaker 1: but the ridges were like brush metal or metal color.
Speaker 1: And that's it. I mean it was It looked manufactured,
Speaker 1: like like I could buy it from somewhere and it
Speaker 1: had a purpose. It wasn't like made of energy or
Speaker 1: a beam of light. It looked like it was made
Speaker 1: of metal of some kind. And yeah, it looked. It
Speaker 1: looked cool, man, it looked amazing. It was so clean,
Speaker 1: and I mean it just looked also logical, like the
Speaker 1: two red lights on the side seemed like it was
Speaker 1: there for safety. So I mean I kind of think, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe it was probably made by humans. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It looked like it just like the logic put into it. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the way it was flying, it was a logical, silent
Speaker 1: and it was floating. That's about it. I can tell
Speaker 1: you about that.
Speaker 2: I might get you, you know, if it's possible to
Speaker 2: do a sketch of the object. And what we do
Speaker 2: is we're put on the website if you have a
Speaker 2: details and then get good at this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not a problem. Well I'll tell you why. Because
Speaker 1: we lived right near a military base and we see
Speaker 1: them fly all the time. We see the airplanes that
Speaker 1: have the two large propellers and they can take off
Speaker 1: like a helicopter. We see them fly all the time,
Speaker 1: and they are really high up and they're very loud.
Speaker 1: I mean it's disturbing because it's annoying for us. We're
Speaker 1: used to living in quiet Santa Barbara County.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Also I've seen the huge helicopters that were called not
Speaker 1: the chinooks, but the other big ones that like drop things,
Speaker 1: you know, I have like a bay door on the back.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: And we also see helicopters as well, like the normal
Speaker 1: kind of police helicopters. I mean, we see a lot
Speaker 1: aircrafts here. We see the jets as well, those new
Speaker 1: kind of stealthy bombers with ones that like take off
Speaker 1: like a harrier. Anything that flies around here. Is super loud.
Speaker 1: It's so loud, there's no way I could have mistaken
Speaker 1: for that. It was just the right in front of me.
Speaker 1: It just was mind boggling at how quiet was It
Speaker 1: was silent. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: You did mention that many of your sightings happened near
Speaker 2: military bases. Do you think that's that's a coincidence or
Speaker 2: something more.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a coincidence. I mean, there's that
Speaker 1: one guy I think you might know him talking about.
Speaker 1: He has a film called Walking with the White or
Speaker 1: Walking with the Tall White, and he needs to be
Speaker 1: a weather observer in the sixties and basically said that
Speaker 1: our military base is provide shelter parts and like a
Speaker 1: place too, like a pit stop, because he said they
Speaker 1: to break down. But they traverse I don't know how
Speaker 1: many light years, like a month at a time. They'll
Speaker 1: be traveling from one galaxy to our galaxy. And so
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what the guy says, so I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised. And of course other stories we've all
Speaker 1: heard about, you know, the connection with military bases and UFOs,
Speaker 1: especially in the US Navy and Air Force and Space Force.
Speaker 2: I guess now, yeah, I think that was Charles Hall
Speaker 2: that documentary.
Speaker 4: I've not seen it, but yeah, but I do know.
Speaker 2: I think he follows me on X.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, I believe him, actually because I've seen other
Speaker 1: kind of interviews of guys and you could just tell
Speaker 1: and they're not telling the truth. They just have answers
Speaker 1: for every question. And that's like one giveaway. Also because
Speaker 1: I work with kids a lot, teaching music, and you know,
Speaker 1: kids lie, so you become like a trained professional liners.
Speaker 2: Good stuff. Okay, And have you always had an interest
Speaker 2: in UFOs or is that something which just kind of
Speaker 2: come about because some of your experiences.
Speaker 1: You know what it was? Ever since that first experience
Speaker 1: that startled me my brother, I think that sparked the interest,
Speaker 1: but I never really followed too much kind of. I
Speaker 1: think there was Coast to Coast. I really didn't listen
Speaker 1: too much of it. I didn't follow it. I was
Speaker 1: never fanatical about it. Stumbled upon your your podcast because
Speaker 1: just because I've listened to quite a lot of sasquatch encounters,
Speaker 1: because I was actually more interested in sasquatch, to be honest,
Speaker 1: than UFOs. Always found UFOs interesting, but you know, after
Speaker 1: that fighting when I was five, I never seen anything
Speaker 1: from decades. So I just didn't really want to think.
Speaker 1: But then when you see it, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: they say, seeing is believing, So I do find an
Speaker 1: interest in it. You know, it's I do believe there
Speaker 1: is life out there, and you know, to have higher technology,
Speaker 1: better technology that is absolutely plausible. So you know, I
Speaker 1: don't think there's anything wrong with thinking about it. I
Speaker 1: don't really share this information a lot because people are
Speaker 1: constantly you know, this crazy, but maybe that's kind of
Speaker 1: going away as well, that kind of stigma, you know.
Speaker 2: Getting better slowly. But yeah, I do know what you mean.
Speaker 2: But you know, like I say on the shows, to
Speaker 2: bring up the conversation, sometimes get some interest in stories
Speaker 2: from people, or they could just kind of look at
Speaker 2: you like you're crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would never share it around work.
Speaker 1: That's why I I kind of was surprised at myself
Speaker 1: that I shared that one story to a colleague literally
Speaker 1: the next morning. I don't even know why I did that.
Speaker 1: I would have restrained myself, I would have been I
Speaker 1: would have not done that, but for some reason, I
Speaker 1: just felt like I could trust her and I told
Speaker 1: her and I barely knew her, and she saw too,
Speaker 1: So maybe there was that weird kind of human connection
Speaker 1: that we can't explain. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe so. I believe so.
Speaker 1: But I just wanted to express my appreciation for your
Speaker 1: show and people like you and guys like west Thing
Speaker 1: that spoke these podcasts because it's really important, I think,
Speaker 1: for people to be able to speak about because the
Speaker 1: only people I've been able to speak about with were
Speaker 1: people closest to me, you know. And I love talking
Speaker 1: about it. I love to share the experience because it's
Speaker 1: out of this world literally, you know. So I really
Speaker 1: appreciate it.
Speaker 2: You're more the welcome and a good thing is I mean,
Speaker 2: it gives people a place, you know, where they can share,
Speaker 2: and the people that listen are all like minded, you know.
Speaker 2: They are all people which have either have an interest
Speaker 2: in the subjects you know that we do have on here,
Speaker 2: or they you know, they're going through something, and it
Speaker 2: gives people a chance of liberating, chance of release, and
Speaker 2: also in turn, it you know, helps people out there
Speaker 2: which may be suffering in some cases.
Speaker 1: Gosh, I mean, I remember, I think the last podcast
Speaker 1: I listened to of yours was about someone about dreams
Speaker 1: and being abducted and happening to them ever since they're
Speaker 1: a kid, and it seems to be very parallel with
Speaker 1: many other people's stories, and I think, I remember, this
Speaker 1: poor person was traumatized. I'm so grateful that that hasn't
Speaker 1: happened to me, because I could only imagine how scary
Speaker 1: I could really be, you know. And I think, especially
Speaker 1: for those folks, it's probably so hard for them to
Speaker 1: talk about it with people, because gosh, I mean like
Speaker 1: when I saw the last sighting, I was actually very
Speaker 1: very reluctant to tell my wife because I would just think, man,
Speaker 1: she's going to think I'm crazy, you know. But I
Speaker 1: did and she didn't think I'm crazy. It's just unbelievable,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I don't blame people
Speaker 1: for not believing you, you know, but imagine being traumatized
Speaker 1: by it. That's a whole other level. So I can
Speaker 1: imagine it's probably a great place for those folks come
Speaker 1: on your show and talk about it. And I just
Speaker 1: think it's a great thing that you're doing for people.
Speaker 2: It does it certainly does help people. It can be difficult.
Speaker 2: We have all time types of people on here across
Speaker 2: the whole spectrum, and you know, in different educational levels,
Speaker 2: different various different jobs and stuff. And we know, if
Speaker 2: i'd guess over the years, which have been in very
Speaker 2: professional positions and they're having these very strange experiences and
Speaker 2: they don't have no one to speak to. And if
Speaker 2: you do have a partner that does understand and you
Speaker 2: can talk to you, great, but that's just sometimes it's
Speaker 2: just not always the case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I I you know, I did have
Speaker 1: this one experience where I saw I saw like it
Speaker 1: looked like a light in my room. I forgot to
Speaker 1: tell you about that. Actually that was in London, and
Speaker 1: that was that kind of scared me, but I wasn't traumatized.
Speaker 1: It actually appeared on command. Like I said something like
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid of you. I know you're there because
Speaker 1: like my door closed, and then I said like I'm
Speaker 1: not afraid show yourself. And it looked like as if
Speaker 1: someone was like holding a cigarette in the night and
Speaker 1: the cherry of the cigarette just kind of illuminated in
Speaker 1: a circle. And because if someone waved her hand in
Speaker 1: a circle, and that freaked me out, I covered my
Speaker 1: head with the blankets. Sorry I didn't include that.
Speaker 2: It's included now, oh great.
Speaker 1: Once again, like I have not been abducted. I've seen
Speaker 1: weird things. I seen like a friend of mine appear
Speaker 1: at the edge of my bed, like as if I
Speaker 1: was looking at a person, and it was the room
Speaker 1: was dark. That was so strange, but I wasn't scared.
Speaker 1: It was quite a friendly visit. She was holding my guitar,
Speaker 1: and I later found out that she passed away, so
Speaker 1: I think maybe she just visited me. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Was it relatively the same kind of timeline you found
Speaker 2: it she passed after I.
Speaker 1: Couldn't find out when she exactly passed away because I
Speaker 1: couldn't get in touch with the right people. It was.
Speaker 1: She was friends with my mom as well, and my
Speaker 1: mom just told me when I spoke to her, she said,
Speaker 1: oh yeah. The last time I saw her was years ago,
Speaker 1: and she was so skinny because she's just surgering her abdomen.
Speaker 1: And then she said she was going to go in
Speaker 1: for another surgery, but her family kept telling her not
Speaker 1: to do it because she's going to die, but she
Speaker 1: wasn't worried about it. She laughed at off and that
Speaker 1: was the last thing my mom saw her. And then
Speaker 1: the next thing my mom hears about her is me
Speaker 1: calling her in the night saying, hey, I saw her
Speaker 1: in my bed, and I'll tell you something that what's
Speaker 1: really interesting is that she sounded like she had cancer
Speaker 1: in the abdomen, which was probably ovarian cancer, which was
Speaker 1: exactly what my ex wife had at that time. So
Speaker 1: there is relevance I think to that my wife had
Speaker 1: just her first major surgery and she had to have
Speaker 1: to have two major surgeries. Or girl, she had ovarian
Speaker 1: cancer and she had to have a hysterectomy. That's my
Speaker 1: ex wife. She survived, but she was actually just recovering
Speaker 1: from the surgery and the chemotherapy. Chemotherapy is so it
Speaker 1: has such a huge impact that And actually that night
Speaker 1: when my ex wife was in bed, she was telling
Speaker 1: me right before I got into it, she said, there's
Speaker 1: someone in the room and we were experiencing paranormal activity
Speaker 1: as well, things moving like a plant mood. We both
Speaker 1: saw it was really strange. We were the only ones
Speaker 1: in the house, so you know that that was the
Speaker 1: same person I saw the UFO with, but it was
Speaker 1: it wasn't relatively in the same time. It was years.
Speaker 1: It was years apart, you know, seeing the ghost or
Speaker 1: to seeing the uf photograph at least two years apart.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, definitely could be some correlation there.
Speaker 1: I definitely do believe. I do believe that her name
Speaker 1: was Rita. I do believe that she visited because I
Speaker 1: was helping to take care of my ex wife through
Speaker 1: cancer and I think Rita had the same and probably
Speaker 1: passed away from it.
Speaker 2: Interesting. That's interesting. Yeah, Adrus, I really appreciate you coming
Speaker 2: on sharing that for our listeners.
Speaker 1: Thank you. It's my absolute pleasure.
Speaker 2: It was our pleasure. Do keep in contact, all.
Speaker 1: Right, all right, well, thank you Nick, good stuff.
Speaker 2: You enjoyed the rest of your evening, and we will
Speaker 2: speak soon.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, good night, bye for now, thank you bye.
Speaker 2: Well, that's all for this episode. Keep updated and connected
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Speaker 2: dot com. A big thank you Adrius for sharing tonight,
Speaker 2: and thank you all for listening. I will be back
Speaker 2: next week. Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye,