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Speaker 1: Bunker Bunker. I got married.

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Speaker 2: I got married to a funko who pop, We got wedded.

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Speaker 3: Come joined in the subway, he shot, or.

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Speaker 1: I am married, I'm married.

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Speaker 3: To my funco We get joined co white as soon

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as subway he.

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Speaker 1: Shot Vitamins and biscuits and minerals. They come to either

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to my whole life spin. What's up? Everybody? Welcome? We

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have with us today the most professional live streamer who

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just walks off, stands up, plays with dogs on stream.

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His name is Tristan Haggard, and he's here to discuss

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a forgotten genre, a genre that's kind of died. We're

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going to talk about maybe why that genre has essentially

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died out. It's kind of become the domain of really

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just leftist propaganda. That's really all that's still going on

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in this domain for the most part. Every now and

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then there's a little bit of a gem, but that's

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the documentary film and the Heyday and then there he goes,

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all right, So I guess we'll just call it a

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night there, since our professional live streamer who does this

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for a living, believe it or not, actually just walks

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away consistently from all of his duties in life.

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Speaker 3: Really sorry, I just unmuted. You look like you finished talking?

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Are you done? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Did you also turn the gain up on your mic?

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All the way to sound important and fearful and threatening

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to the audience?

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Speaker 3: Is that that? I mean? That seems like an admission

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that when I speak, you feel some sort of a

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some sort of a power emanating from me that maybe

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intimidates you.

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Speaker 1: Uh, I mean if you call mannic insanity power Okay, yes,

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Like we just don't know what this kind of a

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dude is gonna do.

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Speaker 3: Next, mannic in sanity. I mean, whatever, Man, this is

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Trump country now, and you know what, like you're You're

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probably gonna be the first person I put in my

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Project twenty twenty five. Oh ouch, Project twenty twenty five

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concentration camp that I'm building out here in my backyard.

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Speaker 1: So Trump won the election in Ecuador as well. I

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didn't know that, bro.

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Speaker 3: This is this is a globe victory for men.

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Speaker 1: For the red Pill men's rights, and Tate is that

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it really won last night?

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Speaker 3: Tate red Pill as red Pill activists. Basically, basically the

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plan is to have Trump deport you, like I'm gonna

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I'm gonna figure out a way to get you deported

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with all the illegals. And I've got I'm built, and

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I'm gonna see if I can get some sort of

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maybe private funding through Elon Musk or something to build

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kind of like a franchised project twenty twenty five concentration camp,

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and I'm hoping to house you in it and maybe

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use you for some to maybe just harvest you make

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your live stream for a few hours.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was planning to be a cam girl with

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with your your front tate? Is that? What do you

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think about that?

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Speaker 3: That sounds good? That sounds really good?

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Speaker 1: Actually, I mean I am th hr C C. Well,

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got have birthing hips, as they say with triples.

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Speaker 3: Triple my wife tells me I have birth birthing in right, your.

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Speaker 1: Wife is like this and then you're like this, right,

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I think that's what you told me.

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Speaker 3: So are you just gonna be chewing food and just

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really eat? No?

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Speaker 1: This is this is it's called gum and your cheo gum.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is your You're you're calling me unprofessional only.

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Speaker 1: As a sign of disrespect to your disrespect. You disrespected

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my podcast, so you get the gum chewing anyway, I've

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spit the gum out. I've split the gum out. Are

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you ready? How you're eating? Bro freaking gum?

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Speaker 3: What an amateur.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk today about the history of documentaries,

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the heyday of documentaries. I want to say the heyday

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was around two thousand and five to twenty fifteen. That's

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where documentaries were popping off. I've listed the good and

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the bad. We're going to talk about mainstream, normy documentaries

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that were propaganda that we can now look back and

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kind of laugh at and identify, as well as the

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off from things like you know, Alex's documentaries. We'll talk

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about some of those, and Google video. A lot of

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younger folk won't remember Google video. We're going to talk

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about some of that today. But let's go back to

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the late nineties that era. Tristan, what's the first documentary?

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be conspiracy. Like, what's the first documentary that you remember

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seeing that kind of stuck out in your mind?

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Speaker 3: Oh man, Well, when you say, I mean, when you

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talk about the nineties, I think what was it Planet

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Earth or the Blue the Ocean that ocean documentary that

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played a big part in kind of forming the ethos

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and the worldview of millennials in general concerning environment environmental movement. Yeah, so,

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cinematography was amazing, and you know David Attenborough's voice, right,

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it all kind of became really iconic. So everything about

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the aesthetic of those documentaries is very memorable as far

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as the nineties goes. But I mean, I just remember

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watching the History Channel for hours on end. The History

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like all you know, a lot of Nazi stuff, I

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think in the early two thousands. Then it shifted more

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ancient aliens and that exactly picking up. I mean that

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was kind of like pop culture candy type content. But

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I think the Animal not Animal Planet, but what is

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it called the Blue what was Blue Planet?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the Blue Planet.

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Speaker 3: Ones were cool because I always loved uh, you know,

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whales and dolphins and stuff and kind of grew up

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around the ocean, So yeah, those were pretty influential to me.

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Planet Earth came out. But I mean those those were

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not always overtly propagandistic, but there's consistently kind of this

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droning undertone in the background about oh, look at the

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look at these poor animals. If you if you guys

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would just stop having babies, then you know, maybe maybe

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Mammy Earth will be happy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. David Admer was always talking about how, you know,

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mother Daves.

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Speaker 5: Just call the populations of the animals, perhaps we should

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also cull the population of the humans to hope nature

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live in balance.

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Speaker 1: You know. He was always making those kinds of.

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Speaker 3: Analogies exactly exactly. So yeah, I think I think those

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were those documentaries that was like an event when those

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Planet Earth, and they had great cinematography, but the underlying,

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the underlying messages feel bad. This could exist, Uh, if

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you weren't making babies and breathing and using your fossil fuels.

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The burning of fossil fuels has brought about the destruction.

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Speaker 5: Of pretty much every symple animal, children love. And if

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you would just sterilize yourselves and move into a smart

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city coffin apartment, the beautiful mot Mott birds can do

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their mating dances in peace without.

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Speaker 3: Your grubby, little cheeto covered children's fingers all over their

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beautiful planet.

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Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, that's a great point. I forgot about the

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period in the late nineties where the newer cable channels

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like Discovery Channel, Learning Channel, and History Channel were pretty

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much constant documentary feeds. That's a great point, and that

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really kind of got people used to the documentary style

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because in the nineties there were very few documentaries. I

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don't remember that many being really popular. I remember one

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of the earliest ones that I sat and watched, you know,

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all the way through, was something like you know, Bowling

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for Columbine and then something to do like you said

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I remember watching some of those. I remember watching like

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a D Day documentary Normandy Invasion one time, and that's

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like the extent of what I remember from you know,

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Bowling for Columby was actually two thousand and two. But

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it was huge. It was huge, and that exactly like

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Speaker 3: That physically and then also physically exactly massive.

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Speaker 1: He was massive and probably he still is. But Michael

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Moore was just such a and he I did watch

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the one that he made about what is the Water

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in Flint, Michigan? That was his first one that really

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kind of got him notoriety, you know, you know I'm

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talking about. His first documentary was something to do with

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like the Yes something like that. Yeah, I remember watching

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what was it about the water? It seemed like the

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water in Flint, Michigan or something like that. Is that what.

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Speaker 3: Michigan? I'm looking at the chatter now. Somebody's saying, fix audio.

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I don't know what they mean, fix audio audio.

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Speaker 1: Uh, you're not muted.

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Speaker 3: Someone says, I'm low. Someone's Roger, and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Roger, that's it all right. I've raised trust him up.

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See if he's better now, can you hear him?

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Speaker 3: Now? We'll see if they as they continue to complain the.

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Speaker 1: Thing is is that he's really loud to me and

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just his voice in general just greats on me. So

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that's why I have to kind of turn him down

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at times. But anyway, so I think the thing is

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that with those early you know, Michael Moore documentaries, they

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their day. I will give one exception to Fahrenheit four

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fifty one because there was a little bit of truth

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was almost like he was hinting at the Big Nine

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event being an inside you know what. It was kind

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of the first of those. Maybe Alex had one, you know,

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right after talking about the Big Nine. I'll mention some

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in the case of more, it never goes far enough.

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it was very much a seen as a left thing,

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and the Democratic Party immediately attached themselves to the Big

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Nine Truth movement. Do you remember that, Tristan.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean it was, I mean, it wasn't really

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the mainstream Democratic Party though it was. I mean the

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mainstream Democratic Party. I mean remember the videos of Luke

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Radowski asking Biden about certain events that happened concerning that.

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Forget exactly what he asked him, but Biden kind of

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flipped out on him, gave him some venomous response.

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Speaker 1: No, you're right, it wasn't mainstream, but it was seen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but for me, it was the people that I knew.

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It was more like left leaning anarchy, like leftist anarchists,

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those types for sure, right like they would say, you know,

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it's a that event was an inside job, and you

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know a lot of anti war type people, various anti

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war activists and whatnot. Yeah, I mean Moore's documentaries. I actually,

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when you proposed this idea, I didn't even think of

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Michael Moore. I'm glad you mentioned him. But going like

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benchmarks for like the left, and it was just it

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was for those of you who don't remember for our

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zoomer audience. Uh, Columbine was like this thing where these

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two towers got hit with like a paper airplane or

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something like that, I think. And then uh, and then

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like there was like some dudes dancing on a bridge

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or something. Something happened like that.

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Speaker 1: In columb Muslim Arab Muslim Arab men dancing. Yeah, to

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celebrate the fact that the fact that Y two K

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had programmed the towers to fall throughout the simulated matrix.

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Speaker 3: What it was. It was because the computer program on

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at the end of the year nineteen ninety nine, the

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computer programs wouldn't work anymore, and so there was kind

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warp reset type thing. And then the Columbine event had

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something to do with airplanes or something. So this this

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that that documentary though it was, it was really the

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whole The whole thing was about gun control, right. The

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whole thing was about removing you know, we got to

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rethink the Second Amendment. We should be you know, having

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maybe total ban on citizens owning guns or some sort

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of graduated graduating.

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which is interesting because it was just an odd selection

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of characters that he chose to interview. And you know,

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Marilyn Manson is sitting there trying to sound really profound

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and and kind of sophisticated about how, you know, his

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satanic music would never promote the ideas of, you know,

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gun violence, and he believes in gun control. It was

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just so silly.

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Speaker 3: Because Eminem was really big at that time too. Remember

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It's like the Slim Shady records were out right and

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those those were hyper violent, and Eminem would be fantasizing

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about bloody, gory, violent acts in those in those in

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his songs.

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Speaker 1: So it looks like it has Dick Clark in it.

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It has Matt Stone, it.

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Speaker 3: Has Matt Stone South Park.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple other people. I don't know who they are,

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but really, Marilyn Manson, I guess, was was the big

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you know, the big name in that.

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Speaker 3: Wait, the big one though, the kind of the big

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moment that everybody was talking about was Charlton Heston from

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My Cold Dead Hands Guy. Remember, Charlton Heston was.

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Speaker 1: Like, no, I'm talking about in the documentary though he

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doesn't have he doesn't have Charlton Heston in there. You

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mean that he plays the clip to make fun of it, right.

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Speaker 3: No, In Bowling for Columbine at the end of the film,

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doesn't he go to Charlton Heston's house to interview him

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and gets kicked out.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't remember. That sounds right probably, I.

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Speaker 3: Think that's I think the peak of the film is

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the end of it. He goes to Charlton Heston, sits

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down with him, and I think Charlton Heston basically is like,

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get out of here, you fat, disgusting slot. Yeah, right,

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like that. Remember, Heston was really old at that time too.

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Hesson was like it was kind of an elder abuse

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type scenario almost. But at that in those days, Charlton

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Heston was one of the big advocates for you know,

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Second Amendment rights and all this. I mean, I think

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you know what.

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Speaker 1: He died recently, right, I don't remember the exact year,

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but it was not too long after this that he

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called into Alex. So Heston called into Alex's show a

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few times back in the two thousands. I remember listening.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting, Yeah, was Alex was. Alex was broadcasting around

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the time that my Michael Moore's Bowling for colum Mine came.

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Speaker 1: Out, Yeah, he was, And Alex was always going off

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on Michael Moore as just a fat slob and a

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Democratic Party you know, shill and you know, and when

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Fahrenheit four or fifty one for Fahrenheit nine eleven came out,

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you know, Alex went after it as just kind of

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a whitewash, and which it kind of was, because it

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was you know, basically, oh, there's not it's like almost

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nine to eleven truth. But don't go that far.

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Speaker 3: That's too crazy, right, uh huh uh huh, Well it's

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I mean, speaking of Alex, I mean, I'm thinking about

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around the time two thousand and two thousand and one,

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In around it was it two thousand and three. A

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lot of my friends were into the movie. You and

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I did a review on it, Waking Life, the Link

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Later movie, and Alex has a cameo in that, and right,

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that's my first exposure to Alex, and how I learned

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about Alex was from from that movie. But yeah, around

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two thousand, two thousand to two thousand and one. Now,

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I don't really remember the Fahrenheit nine film like his,

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I mean, what was it basically just oh you know that.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was this was a huge, huge deal.

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I mean it was probably as big as you know,

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Boling for Columbine because this was you know, Michael Moore's

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you know, breath taking, you know, expose on the connection

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between the Bush and bin Laden families, you know, through

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the corporate contracts that they had, the companies that they

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were connected through. I don't really remember all of the

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details of, you know, how far the documentary goes, but.

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Speaker 3: I remember thinking it was a whitewash. I remember thinking

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this is like, you know, yeah, it's essentially what I yeah,

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because what year was that documentary two thousand and two?

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Speaker 1: Let me see what what year Fahrenheit was.

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Speaker 3: I'm guessing it was two thousand and three because I

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remember when I or maybe I didn't watch it until

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it was long after it come out. Obviously, I never

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saw any of these documentaries in the theaters. Growing up

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in southern California, you know, I definitely knew, you know,

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we knew a lot of people who were anti war,

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but also in the areas we lived were more conservative,

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especially at that time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so this is two thousand and four, so that

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would explain too why Alex had such kind of a

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vest to dislike, because Alex has already been by this time,

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he's already made about four or five you know, kind

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of underground documentaries. The first one that's really going to

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pop off is Dark Secrets Inside Bohinging Grove in two thousand,

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so you know, this explains kind of Alex. I remember

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Alex would go off on Michael Moore all the time,

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you know, basically just saying he's establishment shu, which turned out,

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of course to be correct.

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Speaker 3: What year did he make the Police State documentary? Was

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that before for Bohemia Grove or was that like that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's see. There is Police State two thousand,

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which is the first specifically about the police state, but

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he had already made in nineteen ninety eight America Destroyed

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by Design, which I was going back and watching some

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of that was pretty funny, where Alex is talking about

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the United Nations and China buying up seaports and and

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you know, Chinese influence, which is interesting. But I don't

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not many people knew about Alex at that because he's

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really just still local to Texas and doing public access stuff.

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But after doing Police State two thousand and then after

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doing he did another film called a very few will

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remember called Wake Up or Waco, which is Alex's documentary

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on the Branch Davidians and David Koresh and all of that,

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and I remember Alex actually contributed the proceeds to help

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them rebuild their church after that. That was a huge

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deal for the you know, the patriot conservative Christian community

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back at the time, because this was seen as you know,

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the first real tyrannical move of the federal government against

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religious organizations. Do you do you remember how big of

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a del Waco was.

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Speaker 3: Waco was huge. I had I have an uncle. He

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he was in Texas. I remember visiting him. I think

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it must have been what year was Waco ninety six?

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Speaker 1: That sounds about right, yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Think it must have been ninety seven or ninety eight,

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And we visited my uncle and I remember he he

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had produced he had been involved in the production. I

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forget what documentary it was. I'm not gonna like name

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docshon or anything, but he was involved somehow or one

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of his friends maybe produced this documentary about Waco. And

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he was like trying to show us my dad didn't care.

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My dad Ottawa, no, no, no, No, my dad's like

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your uncle's lawyer, crazy man. He's a little he's a

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little while my uncle was like a track Catholic. I

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think he's I think I don't know if he's like

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SSPX or something. But he was at the time really

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into the militia movement. He was a lawyer that was

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involved with a lot of you know, mitigation. Some of

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the stuff that he did had to do with these

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type of issues. But yeah, that was a big deal man.

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The patriot community back then, which I don't know where

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those people, like, where is that movement now? It doesn't

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it seems like it's been since the Bundy Ranch thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a good good that's a good time

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to date it. That was kind of the end of

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that idea of the you know, libertarian Ron Paul sovereign

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citizen prepper type stuff. We still have preppers with us,

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but you know, Alex was really kind of during that

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time period as well as Ron Paul, you know, pretty

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much the voice of all of that. And I remember

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that domain or that whole time period very vividly because

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I got into Alex in two thousand and two or

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three through some clips and some broadcasts I'd seen of

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him actually on a Tradcat website. It was a trad

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Cat at the time, and there was a site that

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had put up some clips about him talking about skull

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and Bones, and then that actually led me to Dark

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Secrets inside Bohemian Grove. So my initiation to Alex was

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the Bohemi Grove documentary and that, even though it came

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out in two thousand, I think I watched in two

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thousand and three. And then that led to me watching

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Loose Change, which remember Ebom's World. Everybody used to watch

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Ebomb's World.

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Speaker 3: And that was like nineties.

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Speaker 1: No, no, this, well it may have been in the nineties,

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but this is for me. Ebom's World was like two

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thousand and two three, and I remember watching.

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking of like the soundboard Ebomb's World from the

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nineties where it was like goofy clips, like goofy audio

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clips or something.

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Speaker 1: I mean, World had that stuff. But then but then

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Ebom's World in the or in the two thousands transition

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into a viral you know website that you watch when

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whatever's viral, that you're watching on your lunch break at work. Basically,

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so they were they were putting up clips that. Remember

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the Star Wars kid, right that comes that comes out

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of the E Bombs world domain. And I remember one

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of the clips that it was getting really popular was

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I didn't know what it was, but it was a

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clip from Loose Change, and it was the scene where

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Burmas is explaining Burmas and Dylan Avery explaining the Pentagon.

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And so that was my initiation to Loose Change, which

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I then found on Google video, you know, like two

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thousand and four or five, somewhere in there, maybe maybe

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two thousand and six. But that era of this was

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really where you start to see the rise of alternative

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media documentaries popping off. And it's Alex and Loose Change

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that really pioneered that.

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Speaker 3: Well, you and I were talking earlier about the you know,

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the old days of YouTube, right, YouTube was two thousand

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and five. I remember YouTube YouTube came out, and that

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was my freshman year at college, and I remember, you know,

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just being in the dorms with my friends and us

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just finding weird stuff on YouTube and kind of exploring it.

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I had some friends that would upload YouTube back in

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two thousand and five too, and that was like, that

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was crazy because you had actually, you know, you had

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a film on like a mini DV camera and then

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capture it to your laptop. You'd have final cut. Nobody had.

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Not that many people had final cut back then, so

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then you'd have to edit it and then upload. It

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was like it was this whole big thing.

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Speaker 1: And Windows movie Maker. Remember Windows movie Maker. Yeah, it

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was like the worst, terrible quality stuff. It's like, this

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was like two thousand and seven eight when it's Windows

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movie Maker.

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Speaker 3: So I remember what was really influential back then. David

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Ike was kind of big on YouTube in two thousand

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and five, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was.

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Speaker 3: That's a good point being introduced of like, oh, you

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know about David Ike, right, Like, no, I I don't

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know David Ike. What is this because we were talking

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about conspiracies and stuff, and you know I had grown up.

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Oh I'll bring this this point up later. The UFO

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stuff was really big in the nineties, as I mean,

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it wasn't that mainstream. That's a good point of mainstream

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that was always kind of trying to coax that alls in.

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And you know, the UFO SI up has been running

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for a long time. And in the nineties there were

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a ton of books. I mean there were lots of books,

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a lot of interesting books in the libraries and stuff.

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So I went read, uh, Whitley Streamer's book when I

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was like ten. I should have read this book, definitely.

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I found Whitley Streamer's book. I was just fascinated with,

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you know, Bigfoot and all this. So when I was

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a little kid, like six seven years old, whenever I

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went to the library, I would go to the like

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unexplained like the unexplained mysteries type books, you know, lock Nest,

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monster and cryptids. That was the most popular stuff in

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00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,599
those in those genres. And then also of course UFOs,

472
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,920
which is the most terrifying of all those things, is

473
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,119
starting to read about these like abduction experiences that people

474
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,920
are having. So I was I was reading about the

475
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,559
Betty and Barney Hills stuff when I'm like ten years old,

476
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,160
trying to figure out what's going on.

477
00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: So wait, what year you were reading about that? In

478
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:54,160
the nineties?

479
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,079
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, when I was just been in like ninety seven.

480
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,799
So I remember being in fourth grade and I got

481
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,680
Whitley Striever's book and I read that, but I had

482
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,880
already read every other book I can find for the

483
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,240
last maybe two years, since like third grade, some nine

484
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,359
years old. Every because there were books for young kids

485
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,680
about UFOs. But I was, you know, I was a

486
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:19,759
kind of a voracious reader, so I would get books

487
00:27:19,799 --> 00:27:22,519
that were, you know, pretty advanced, and so I was

488
00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:24,599
kind of reading all the history of Roswell. I was

489
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,000
really into trying to figure out what happened with the

490
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,799
Roswell crash. And there were some documentaries about that stuff

491
00:27:31,799 --> 00:27:32,559
in the nineties too.

492
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot about aliens. There were alien documentaries in

493
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,160
the nineties UFOs.

494
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 3: Remember the Alien Autopsy stuff?

495
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I remember watching Fox when they

496
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,759
were advertising for the Alien Autopsy and then I remember

497
00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:48,400
that they had the vhs at the local movie rental

498
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,039
store in the nineties. I thought, I always thought that

499
00:27:50,079 --> 00:27:52,759
was funny. I mean, I never believed in aliens even

500
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:56,799
in the nineties, but I did have a phase where

501
00:27:56,839 --> 00:27:59,279
when I got pretty deep into conspiracy, you know, the

502
00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:03,839
opening doorways of conspiracy through you know, Beeman Grove and

503
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,240
Loose Change and all that in the early two thousands.

504
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,319
I do remember going.

505
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,279
Speaker 3: For me was the UFO stuff.

506
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went down that. Yeah. I had like a

507
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,559
period of reading you know, what's his name, Stanton Friedman,

508
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,200
And I remember reading I remember reading about project in

509
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,480
m J twelve, and you know, I read books on

510
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:25,680
abductions and stuff like you're saying, And but I think

511
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,920
eventually you kind of realize, like the alien stuff is

512
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,680
just retarded, you know what I mean, It's just I mean,

513
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,640
there's a demonic component to it, but like the rest

514
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,599
of us just stupid. I mean, I don't did you.

515
00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 3: Well, I mean in the two thousands that got way

516
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,400
out there. I mean in the nineties it was too,

517
00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:44,200
But I mean, it's it's retarded. The conclusions people come

518
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,920
to is are retarded. But I would I would, I

519
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,200
would say it's it's actually one of the most important

520
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,160
things that's been having. That's why my father Sarah from

521
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,200
Rose dedicated such a big portion of it in his

522
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,599
in his book, right, I mean, this is something that

523
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:57,599
it's it's right now.

524
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: I believe in the demonic. I'm just saying, like, did

525
00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:02,960
you in your journey when you were reading that stuff

526
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,839
in the nineties, did you continue did you did you

527
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,200
actually believe in aliens and evees and did that continue

528
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,960
into the two thousands or did you kind of not

529
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:11,839
believe that anymore?

530
00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 3: No, I thought there was something going on, but I wasn't.

531
00:29:16,759 --> 00:29:19,680
I couldn't. I wasn't sure, right. I was aware of

532
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,599
Jacques Valet's theory that like there's some sort of reading

533
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,319
Streamer's book, it's clearly like a demonic thing that's going on.

534
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,440
Right when you read this. There's this aspect of syops

535
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:37,000
and military special operations stuff combined with like psychotronic mind

536
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:42,359
control type situations, ritual trauma. It's like the it's like

537
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:48,799
mk ultra meets cultural engineering and it's it is kind

538
00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:51,960
of a nexus point of all these weird, spooky phenomenon

539
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,880
spooky as as far as like intelligence agencies and stuff.

540
00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:58,680
But my conclusion at the time, I didn't have a conclusion.

541
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,759
It was just this is one of these crazy things.

542
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:04,440
Whatever this is, Like I knew there was something going on, right,

543
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,680
It's like, not all these people are not independently. Some

544
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,319
of these people are cooks and they make stuff up

545
00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:10,599
they want attention, right, And some of these people are

546
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:14,720
taking fake pictures like the famous Hoover vacuum upside down

547
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,000
like Georgia Damski, and some of these people are are

548
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,119
total frauds. A lot of these people are frauds, but

549
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:27,039
there are like pretty undeniable quantity of sightings, especially of

550
00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:30,720
those we're reading about. Then there were pictures of some

551
00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:32,720
of these two and a lot of drawings of those

552
00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:35,119
black triangle crafts. I actually saw one of those in

553
00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:38,559
two thousand and eight or nine in California, and it

554
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,519
just looked like a huge It was maybe three five

555
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,599
times the size of a jet, and it was near

556
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:47,839
a lockeyed Martin facility, So you'd see weird stuff in

557
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,160
the sky. But yeah, I mean when I was a

558
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,400
little kid, I never had experiences like that, but this was.

559
00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:55,920
It was kind of a it would give me nightmares

560
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,440
for sure. Right, I'd like to read those scary things

561
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,799
and then lay in Bennet night and you'd just be

562
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,920
kind of like, what if, you know, you tell yourself

563
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,599
those spooky stories, And yeah, it was it's definitely a

564
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:10,920
there's there's something real there. But then there's also a

565
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,240
real cultural and engineering aspect to it, of and this

566
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:17,160
could be you know, demonic at its core as well.

567
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,839
But they want you to be wondering about this. They

568
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,160
want it. It's an intentionally.

569
00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:25,799
Speaker 1: Intentionally want you going down that alien rabbit hole exactly.

570
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: Which is why they're publishing books for children in the

571
00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:29,599
nineties about this. They bread crumbed you into it.

572
00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: You think you're being a million TV shows and movies.

573
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,799
Speaker 3: Exactly. You think you're like countercultural and you know, exploring

574
00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:40,079
the and you know it is fascinating to me. I

575
00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:43,319
was always interested in kind of the the paranormal and

576
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:47,480
the edges of reality, right, because clearly there's more going

577
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,359
on than just you know, oh, you're all just a

578
00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:52,279
bunch of monkeys and and you know, just monkeys and

579
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:54,720
bouncing off of monkeys and the whole world is this

580
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,400
cold and deterministic thing, and uh and evolution and all this,

581
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,599
but even within the evolution myth, you know, the alien

582
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:06,960
the alien abduction phenomenon, they like to say, well, you know,

583
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000
the aliens are like advanced humans grow and you know

584
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,960
they if you if you lived a million years in space, dude,

585
00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:16,559
your eyes would be so big and you'd just be like,

586
00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:18,880
you just have this big old head and you don't

587
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:19,440
need muscle.

588
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how do they come to that conclusion

589
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,720
that your that your brain grows and your eyes grow

590
00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:27,680
because of space. I mean it's like, because.

591
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,359
Speaker 3: You're so smart, dude. Evolution makes you so smart.

592
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,079
Speaker 1: And also space makes you smart, right, space, just space.

593
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,680
And the further out you go, the higher your IQ. Right,

594
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,839
So if you're from like distant Pleiades, you've got like,

595
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:50,160
you know, mega IQ. Right, that's totally logical. It makes purposes. Now,

596
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,079
two key documentaries that are kind of underground in this

597
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,279
period that shook a lot of people. Obviously, you know,

598
00:32:58,279 --> 00:33:00,680
we can talk about the Alex stuff, but you mentioned

599
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:04,079
one that has to be recalled, and that is the

600
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:07,839
Franklin cover Up, which was the suppressed Discovery Channel documentary

601
00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:12,160
about the Franklin scandal and s R A and the

602
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,599
abuses at the highest levels of the GOP back at

603
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,079
the Bush Senior White House, and in this I don't

604
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:22,400
know if you've seen this one. Did you watch back

605
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,200
at that time, back in the days of Google video

606
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,160
and whatnot. The Ted Gunderson lectures on the McMartin preschool case.

607
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:34,799
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, of course, Gunderson man. Yeah, but

608
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,240
now those came hand in hand, the Ted Gunderson lectures

609
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,079
on the preschool scandal on the underground and all the

610
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:41,519
stuff about Michael.

611
00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: The tunnels underneath the preschool exactly, yeah.

612
00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:49,119
Speaker 3: In the presidio. Yeah, I know, all this stuff was

613
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,480
fascinating too. Because I lived in that area, right, like

614
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,720
growing up in California and then living kind of the

615
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,599
South Bay. This stuff was really was really freaky, especially

616
00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:00,799
because there's so many you know, yeah, you got the

617
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:03,079
Presidio and you've got you know, these naval bases and

618
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,559
Moffatt Airfield, but then you also have all this private

619
00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:07,799
stuff too. You know. It's like where I went to

620
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,159
university at the very top of the hill in Santa Cruz,

621
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:14,440
past the University of California, at Santa c Je's leaves.

622
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,760
He rages you rage quiz So I win? I win?

623
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,639
I just won. Come on, I want.

624
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: I went to get the book which came out at

625
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,000
this time it related to this stuff.

626
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 3: Go ahead, nice, No, we show the book again. I

627
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:30,880
want to see the cover.

628
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: Right. So around this time, I remember this comes out

629
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,440
in two thousand and three. I remember buying it when

630
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,480
it was new. I was completely you know, awake to

631
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:43,079
all the you know, SRA stuff. But this was the

632
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:46,039
first book that came out in about the SRA in

633
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:48,519
the Roman Catholic Church, and so what William Kennedy wrote

634
00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:52,000
the book Lucifer's Lodge two thousand and three, and it's

635
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,360
the history of SRA in Rome. So you know, I've

636
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,360
been reading about that for twenty one years, so people

637
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,360
should realize. I was like, you know, we're not we're

638
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,800
not nubes to these topics. We've been looking at this

639
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,360
for a long time. Like I said, it's one of

640
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,920
the first published books on this topic, and it goes

641
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:09,760
along it doesn't.

642
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 3: I don't think I ever heard of that book. But

643
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,239
just just to finish off that that one point, like

644
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,079
above the university was a giant Lockheed Martin facility, and

645
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,280
the they had created legal barricades to where you couldn't

646
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,519
test the groundwater anywhere around this. Like you as a

647
00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:27,840
private citizen, if you got a well in your land,

648
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,840
you weren't allowed like test the well water works. A

649
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,880
lot of people were upset about this. Lockheed facility used

650
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,679
to be owned by the Navy, and then it was

651
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,199
purchased by Lockheed Martin. But then it also shared land

652
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,119
with a church with LDS with the Church of Latter

653
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:45,519
day Saints, and we used to drive up there at night.

654
00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:47,840
Like if you you go all the way up Empire Grade,

655
00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:52,159
you can see in this valley and there are there

656
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:54,639
they're doing. They have a lot of high tech stuff

657
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:58,159
that they're consistently you know, testing and probing out there

658
00:35:58,159 --> 00:36:01,360
at Lockheed. But you could see the doing stuff down

659
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,760
in the valley. They had these you know, I don't

660
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,599
know how they were generating so much power to get these,

661
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:09,719
but they they would. They had these little these little

662
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,559
orbs of light that would light up over the top

663
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:14,559
of these little cement buildings and that start out really

664
00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:16,639
small and then just get massive. It looked like some

665
00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:18,440
sort of a I don't know, some sort of a

666
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:22,239
electric field type stuff made. It had to maybe it

667
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,800
had to do with radar. But we would go up

668
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,639
there and mess around and get get get spooped out

669
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,599
by cars that would know. These trucks would be leaving

670
00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:33,679
the Lockheed facility and the security guards would come ask

671
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,000
you what you're doing. Oh, we're just messing around up here.

672
00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:39,519
You know, we heard this weird stuff. Is that okay? Yeah,

673
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:42,199
just don't come like, don't go any further up And

674
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,800
so yeah, we would. That was that was really strange

675
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,079
in California, and reading about and learning about the you know,

676
00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:52,800
the Franklin cover up, and watching the Ted Gunnerson interviews

677
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,599
all made it that much more spooky kind of.

678
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this was that phase too of the late

679
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,159
nineties and into the two thousand thousands, when the Internet

680
00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:04,719
was not you know, omnipresent, not everybody was on it.

681
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,079
Uh it was. It was a lot more of a

682
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:10,199
kind of a libertarian niche type of thing in terms

683
00:37:10,199 --> 00:37:13,599
of these like finding these documentaries and finding the stuff,

684
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,199
because you would usually find along with it the other

685
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,239
documentaries that go along with kind of the you know,

686
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:24,159
the American Patriots, Sovereign Citizen, Ron Paul, liberturn ethos, like

687
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,599
critiques of the Fed right, So you you would come

688
00:37:26,639 --> 00:37:30,559
across the Jewig Griffin, uh, you know, Creature from Jackal

689
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:37,960
Island documentaries, you would find the class. Oh no, I

690
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,599
forgot about the medical Freedom documentaries back then. I forgot

691
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:43,039
about those.

692
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that that was a big one. I

693
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,840
think I think Griffin made the cancer. I forget it

694
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:49,280
was something to do.

695
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: You're right, that's I forgot about that exactly.

696
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 3: And maybe before the Creature from Jackoll Island stuff.

697
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: Well but but but also we get from jew Griffin

698
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:05,360
the never ending, perpetual immortal interview with Uri Besmanov, which

699
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,760
always makes a comeback on the Internet. It never goes away,

700
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,119
and we'll probably never see the end of the Uri

701
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:15,760
Bezmanov clips about the KGV taking over America.

702
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,079
Speaker 3: But those actually like how it's evergreen.

703
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: That's yeah, but you know what's funny about that one?

704
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:26,199
And a couple others on my list like Angels Don't

705
00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:28,880
Play This Harp? That's a classic of the conspiracy domain.

706
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:33,000
Do you remember that from Nick Begich on harp? So

707
00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:35,519
Angels that Don't Play This Harp is from nineteen ninety seven.

708
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:40,840
Gereg Griffin's interview with Besmanov is actually from nineteen eighty five.

709
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:45,239
Money Masters by William Still is from nineteen ninety six.

710
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,599
And yet those documentaries got really popular ten years later,

711
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:52,000
or even twenty years later in the case of Griffin,

712
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,199
through Google video and the rise of the early days

713
00:38:55,199 --> 00:38:59,920
of YouTube. So even these older unknown ones can get

714
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:02,519
exactly that was actually from the nineties too. That was

715
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:03,320
like a nineties That was.

716
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,599
Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety four that documentary was made. It was shelved.

717
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,519
I don't know. I think I don't know if it

718
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:13,400
ever if it actually ever premiered on Discovery, but it was.

719
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,960
I think it was supposed to air and they shelved

720
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,599
it at the last minute or more or maybe it

721
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:21,880
aired once and then they never showed it again. That

722
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,599
only became popular through the Internet. And it was really

723
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:26,880
low quality, right, it was like two forty p.

724
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, super blurry and yeah. I mean you can still

725
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,760
find it, but it's it's it's always super super low quality.

726
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:37,400
Do you remember William Still's Money Masters.

727
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,519
Speaker 3: Well, I do remember the name, but I don't remember

728
00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:43,119
the content of it. Was he just about the Fed,

729
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:43,800
the Federal Reserve.

730
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:46,559
Speaker 1: It was, it was all about that. But and Alex

731
00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:48,360
used to promote it. But then there was this period

732
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,360
where there was a big falling out in the two thousands.

733
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,400
I remember this between Still and anybody in the Ron

734
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,880
Paul sphere, because William Still was not pro gold and

735
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,960
he had these I don't remember what his weird views were,

736
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:03,280
but he went after Ron Paul and that kind of

737
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,440
led to the severance of Alex and the Ron Paul's

738
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,400
fear from William Still and the money Masters. But Williams

739
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,800
Money Master's documentary is still there, like it's I just

740
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,480
found it on YouTube. But Still got like two hundred

741
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,480
thousand views, and it's just.

742
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,079
Speaker 3: It's just what would he what would he like to

743
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:22,159
see the money backed with?

744
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: I can't remember, but he has this whole like, his

745
00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:30,159
whole thing was that the Federal Reserve obviously his FIAT

746
00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:32,559
and all that, but gold isn't an answer because the

747
00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:35,920
elite controlled gold, and so there's some other answer. I

748
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,880
don't remember what John Adams said that he was a

749
00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:41,760
proponent of a form of FIAT, so he didn't like

750
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,079
the Fed's FIAT, but he had his own view of FIAT,

751
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:45,920
and of course Ron Paul and Alex weren't going to

752
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:46,280
go for that.

753
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,519
Speaker 3: So yeah, well I think I remember back in those

754
00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:50,920
days learning about the gold standard and stuff and being

755
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,280
at first like, yeah, that's what it should be. That's

756
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,000
the problem, right, I mean, if we got off the

757
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,360
gold standard, that was the big issue. But then, you know,

758
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,840
I remember maybe a few months later, I'm thinking, you know,

759
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:05,400
I'm talking two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight,

760
00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:08,880
super comparratorial young guy thinking where it's like, well, then

761
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,920
you're just gonna put I mean, the people who have

762
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,559
all the gold, now, where's all the gold? Now? Maybe

763
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:17,599
those people are behind the and the FED stuff and

764
00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:20,199
they want to just you know, that was that was

765
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,840
that was in propaganda.

766
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: That was Tarpley's critique. If you remember the phase the

767
00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:28,679
era of Tarpley on Alex Jones pretty consistently. That was

768
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,960
always Tarpley's critique of Ron Paul.

769
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,079
Speaker 6: Listen to Ron Paul. He's like, uh, Ron Paul wants

770
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:38,239
to pop the bubble. He's a fascist. He's just like

771
00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:42,559
the I was watching the movie Leprecaun. The Lepercun in

772
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:46,039
the horror movie says give me me gold. It's Ron Paul. People,

773
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:47,119
that's Ron Paul.

774
00:41:48,679 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: That was That's my Webster Tarpley. By the way, you

775
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,119
don't remember do you not remember Webster Tarpley barely?

776
00:41:57,159 --> 00:42:01,559
Speaker 3: I remember. I remember the books. What books did he write?

777
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:03,960
He wrote the book he.

778
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,079
Speaker 1: Wrote actually a really good book on nine eleven nine

779
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:08,679
to eleven Synthetic Terror, which is a really good book.

780
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, didn't he write a book. Didn't you write the book,

781
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:13,639
the Bush Documentary book.

782
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:18,199
Speaker 1: Yes, he did a thing on the bushes. And actually

783
00:42:18,199 --> 00:42:21,320
he was anti Obama and he plays a huge role

784
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,920
in in game. So actually Tarpley is interviewed for probably

785
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,480
about forty forty five minutes or something crazy in an

786
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:33,760
in game Alex's in game. Anyway, that was a really

787
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:34,159
good one.

788
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 3: What year was that?

789
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 7: Yeah?

790
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,119
Speaker 1: So moving up, Yeah, moving up into the later two thousands.

791
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:42,559
We get in game in two thousand and seven. Loose

792
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:46,800
Change had happened in two thousand and five, an in

793
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:51,360
game was really kind of like the documentary that broke

794
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,440
Alex kind of into a next level of popularity, because

795
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,039
this is like again, guys, remember this is the height

796
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:03,239
of like documentaries being popular on the Internet from alternative

797
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,519
media people. And uh, loose Change had been a massive hit.

798
00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:08,760
In fact, at one point louse Change in the two

799
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,719
thousands was the most viewed video I believe on the

800
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,800
Internet and perhaps I mean it's it was at least

801
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,800
the most few documentary too, and on YouTube vieah, the

802
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,079
biggest on YouTube exactly.

803
00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:23,559
Speaker 3: So I mean, yeah, it's crazy. And Burmis and then

804
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:25,760
made louse Change. Burmas was young when he made that.

805
00:43:26,199 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was really young. I mean he was we

806
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,320
were I think we're around the same age, so he

807
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,760
would have been in his early twenties when he did them. Yeah,

808
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,880
and that was a massive hit, and and Alex immediately

809
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,119
kind of linked up with Burmas. I can't remember if

810
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:42,800
Alex had anything to do with Loose Change, but Alex

811
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:48,320
helped Burmas make the next film, which was fairly uh, significant,

812
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:49,639
and I went back and watched them. It was actually

813
00:43:49,679 --> 00:43:52,760
pretty good. Fabled Enemies, which was two thousand and eight,

814
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,880
which there was actually good. Yeah, Fable and Enemies did well.

815
00:43:58,159 --> 00:44:01,559
And then we had this curio thing pop on the scene,

816
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:07,440
which is actually gonna set the tone for, unfortunately, where

817
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,920
documentary films will go for the next several years, and

818
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,320
that is, of course Zeitgeist. Do you remember when you

819
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,880
first heard about and saw Zeitgeist?

820
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,599
Speaker 3: I do, yeah, yeah, Can you already tell you the

821
00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:22,880
story the myth? No? Yeah, Well, first, where did you

822
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:23,480
hear about it?

823
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: Well, it was in the sphere and actually it was

824
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:28,840
actually from Alex and so, you know, I remember hearing

825
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,159
people in you know, the Libertarian you know, Rom Paul's

826
00:44:32,159 --> 00:44:37,760
sphere of stuff talking about Zeitgeist and Alex was immediately

827
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,599
trashing it, and I remember going and watching it, and

828
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:43,800
then I remember right after I watched it, Alex invited

829
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,960
Peter Joseph on and they had this massive debate and

830
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,519
it was fun. It was hilarious because I was just

831
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:51,079
screaming at the guy and talking about you know, Josh

832
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:53,639
Fresco and the UN and how it was all based

833
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:58,239
on you know, putting everybody into basically a technocracy. But yeah,

834
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,320
I remember this being a huge and all of the

835
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:06,519
pothead like stoner libertarian people loved it because not just

836
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:09,079
the Federal Reserve stuff, but because of all the Jesus stuff.

837
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,159
Do you remember this where Jesus is just like all

838
00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:16,559
the other world religions, there's you know, Zeus and there's

839
00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:19,840
like there's like dying and rising gods and every religion man.

840
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,400
And that was so there was like this huge anti

841
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,960
Christian component to Zeitgeist, which.

842
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 3: That was the whole thing.

843
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: It was not Part two.

844
00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:33,519
Speaker 3: Addendum or whatever was all that.

845
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: It was Sakaria s Karia s. Yes, she was like

846
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,840
the lesbian Jesus is the s u n of God.

847
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:42,760
What's her view?

848
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, and it only so for those of you

849
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,880
who haven't watched Zeitgeist, don't bother. It's absolutely retarded. I mean,

850
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,400
the first part of it, the part of the parts

851
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,079
about nine to eleven, it's basically just kind of ripping

852
00:45:56,119 --> 00:45:59,760
off burmus is, uh, you know, ripping off of what's

853
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,119
called like loose change, taking some of that stuff, then

854
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:04,760
combining it with like look what's on the dollar bill

855
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,639
type stuff. It's kind of it's Basically it's like Nick,

856
00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:10,679
they should have been in Nick Cage narrating. It should

857
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:15,480
be jayde Er NICKK doing Nick Cage narrating. Uh, you know,

858
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,920
National Treasure style search for the truth of all the

859
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,360
conspiracy the world. But yeah, I first heard about that.

860
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,199
I worked as a valet at this this kind of

861
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,840
nice hotel on the beach in Santa Cruz on the

862
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,920
and the guys that I worked with, most of them

863
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,639
are really cool. Uh, all of them were actually really

864
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:38,400
cool guys. Uh. Two of them like wanted to be

865
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,159
Hollywood riders and they wanted to be like basically they

866
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:43,840
thought they're gonna be Matt Damon and Ben Affleck and

867
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,800
they're you know, they're like writing scripts together and talking

868
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,920
about how they're gonna be big actors and stuff. And

869
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,719
all those guys were hilarious. I'm sure they've net they're

870
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,000
probably yeah, they're they're nice guys, but they were never

871
00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:59,880
going to be famous writers or actors. And then this

872
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,280
this other guy that I worked with. His name was Matt.

873
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:05,039
He was this really little guy and he had this

874
00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:07,320
he had like an older brother or something that would

875
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,039
always tell him about crazy stuff. And we were talking

876
00:47:10,039 --> 00:47:12,880
about we were always talking about conspiracies, and I think

877
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,480
I had already seen loose Change, and I was introduced

878
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:19,880
to a lot of the the nine event truth stuff,

879
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:23,199
even through like music. I remember when I was in

880
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,480
high school, we would listen to Immortal Technique and he and.

881
00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: Oh I forgot about a moratal technique. Yeah, the truth

882
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:32,199
or rap phase of like two thousand and eight nine, Yeah,

883
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:33,519
that's I forgot about him.

884
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:38,199
Speaker 3: No, he was more two thousand and three, four, two

885
00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:41,880
thousand and two, early four, Yeah he.

886
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: Was Maybe I just heard about him for the first

887
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:44,880
time that late.

888
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that he got bigger around that time because

889
00:47:48,679 --> 00:47:50,880
Loose Change and everything really blew up, I mean two

890
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,440
thousand and five to two thousand and nine. Twenty ten, well, yeah,

891
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,519
I guess like twenty ten the whole truth There was

892
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:01,000
the Truth movement and everyone was talking about getting red

893
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,519
pilled and all this like that was that was a

894
00:48:03,559 --> 00:48:05,800
big It was a big thing. It was a big

895
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,679
portion of the Internet, a large a large amount of

896
00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:12,400
the stuff that was uploaded to YouTube was concerning this,

897
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,280
and they really had they cracked down a lot once

898
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,079
so vombit on in exactly, the censorship really started kicking

899
00:48:19,199 --> 00:48:23,800
up in a high gear YouTube. Eventually the whole model

900
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,840
of YouTube changed. I mean twenty fourteen, they brought about

901
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:32,400
monetization and this basically ended the whole era because monetization

902
00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:37,840
favored shorter form content, viral style content, and the attention

903
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,559
spans contracted more and more. It's like once they let

904
00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:43,480
the boomers on Facebook, that was the start of the

905
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:46,159
end of the world. When boomers were allowed on Facebook,

906
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,840
that was the beginning of the end. Then we'd get

907
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,360
monetization on YouTube a few years later, and the reason

908
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,039
that people were making, you know, then it became content.

909
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,440
You were uploading videos before on YouTube. Then it was content.

910
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,199
You're a content creator, and it's about harvesting, you know,

911
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,880
the YouTube ad revenue. And back in the day, you

912
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,039
could get good money on YouTube ad revenue, like you

913
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:10,880
could get you know, if you got to if you

914
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,800
put a video out and you got a thousand views

915
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,480
in the first two weeks, your your hyped like that

916
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:19,960
was that's a crazy amount of views. Back in the day,

917
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:22,920
you would get they would pay you, you get good money.

918
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,280
You'd make like you could make a few hundred bucks

919
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,400
on a video that's just making you know, a couple

920
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,639
of thousand views and in the h in a month,

921
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:35,079
so YouTube was paying well. Then the whole thing got

922
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:38,280
flooded with so called content. The attention spans shortened and

923
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,840
short and shortened, and then it was a great excuse

924
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,280
for for censorship. Right, well, we've got we've got to

925
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,239
run ads, and these people are.

926
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: The ad The ad monetization was a big angle exactly

927
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,360
for census A great point.

928
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, back to the get things like

929
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:02,679
Geist was really big back then. And this guy I

930
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,760
worked with, my buddy Matt, was telling me, oh, you

931
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,880
gotta you gotta watch this this movie Zeitgeist. Oh no, no,

932
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,159
I'm sorry. It wasn't Matt. No. There there were two guys.

933
00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:14,079
There was this There was this guy that was kind

934
00:50:14,119 --> 00:50:17,280
of annoying that worked in the restaurant. So there's a

935
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,440
restaurant on site at the hotel. And this guy was

936
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:22,559
kind of like a he was a what do you

937
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:24,960
call was a busser. He was he busted tables and

938
00:50:25,079 --> 00:50:29,360
wash dishes, and he and I were always just kind

939
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,800
of complaining about shitty jobs. Like even though my job

940
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,360
was cool, I was a valet and I would make

941
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,239
you know, people would just hand you cash to go

942
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,760
park their car it was a great job. We would

943
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,960
still complain about, oh, I'm working for the man bro

944
00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:44,840
like just nine to five, Like this is so crazy.

945
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:48,039
We wasted our lives doing this stuff. We're you know,

946
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:51,559
twenty one years old, and he's like, you gotta watch

947
00:50:51,559 --> 00:50:55,159
this documentary. It's called Zeitgeist. So I went and I

948
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,519
watched it, and I was you know, at the time,

949
00:50:57,559 --> 00:51:00,719
I was not you know, wasn't I was kind of

950
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,519
like believed in something beyond the physical. It wasn't just

951
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:10,840
a total normy but kind of more leaning towards uh

952
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,400
like maybe d some sort of a Daist type thing

953
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,760
or you know, maybe I don't know, slightly.

954
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,079
Speaker 1: In yoga chick basically before Instagram had.

955
00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 3: Yoga, a yoga instructor. But yeah, anyways, yeah, I learned

956
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,119
about Zeitgeist from him and I watched it. I thought

957
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:29,920
it was kind of corny. I wasn't really convinced. Uh,

958
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,159
some of the stuff was interesting, it just what never

959
00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:34,559
made sense to me. It was like, there's this whole

960
00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:38,960
film is based on the assumption that, well, the false

961
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,480
assumption that the English language and the what do you

962
00:51:43,519 --> 00:51:49,760
call it, like homophone style, like the weird English coincidences

963
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,440
that occur with the word son of God and the sun.

964
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,679
It's like I knew some Spanish, right, So the sun

965
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:02,000
is soul in Spanish, so it doesn't work echos in Spanish.

966
00:52:02,039 --> 00:52:04,480
And the soul is the sun as far as the

967
00:52:04,519 --> 00:52:07,719
sun that shines, so that doesn't work in any language

968
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,800
other than English. So that just kind of fell apart

969
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,960
from me. Although there was some interesting things about like

970
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,920
oh look, it's like the virgin birth, and there's this

971
00:52:16,039 --> 00:52:19,199
and that. But I even on the inter of the time,

972
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,719
there were a lot of kind of debunking people would debunk.

973
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,639
Everyone was debunking everything, right, you had a snops. I

974
00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:26,320
don't think snaps.

975
00:52:26,599 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. But at the same time too was kind of

976
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,360
the rise of the popularity of Jordan Maxwell, who was

977
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:36,400
using all of those same types of you know, wordplay

978
00:52:36,519 --> 00:52:40,400
techniques to try to draw out these ridiculous, conspiratorial metaphysical

979
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,639
conclusions based on words being this the.

980
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 2: Son of God as you n as I've dogge the

981
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:50,880
gold too, son of God us all in therefore they

982
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,880
are controlled well BALI.

983
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,159
Speaker 1: And I mean, like you said, like I knew enough

984
00:52:56,199 --> 00:52:59,400
philosophy and theology and apologetics in the two thousands of

985
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,760
be like, this is dude, what are you talking about? Like,

986
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,920
those are two different words. They don't mean the same thing,

987
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,480
just because they sound phonetically the same. But there was

988
00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:10,599
this whole sort of side market of phonetic you know,

989
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:14,599
conspiracy stuff done by people like Zeitgeist and Jordan Maxwell.

990
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:16,960
I never got into them. I never got into William

991
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,719
Cooper either. A lot of a lot of old school

992
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,880
conspiracy people had this. I always thought that guy was

993
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:23,920
ridiculous and stupid, you know.

994
00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 3: At the same time, a friend of mine recommended Bill

995
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,440
Cooper's book. Another friend that worked at the same hotel

996
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,440
is like, you got to get this book, dude, but

997
00:53:32,639 --> 00:53:34,440
you gotta be careful because if you buy this book,

998
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:35,400
you get put on a list.

999
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that. I remember people saying that

1000
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,599
at the time, like the two thousands, like, if you

1001
00:53:40,679 --> 00:53:42,639
buy Behold a Pale Horse, you're on.

1002
00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 3: A list, dude, that's you're on the list. Man, you

1003
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:47,360
got you're on the red Legs.

1004
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,199
Speaker 1: Jamies And they're cracking up because she was buying conspiracy

1005
00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:52,000
books in the two thousands, two and stuff. She's in

1006
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:52,599
there laughing.

1007
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I was, I mean, I was, I was

1008
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,000
Legit was kind of worried. I was like, man, how

1009
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,440
can I get this book? I'm I definitely it online too,

1010
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:02,920
So I don't know how I do. We always use

1011
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,119
my parents, have my parents by my parents Amazon, So

1012
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:08,519
then they when they come to put him in the

1013
00:54:08,519 --> 00:54:11,639
FEMA camps, they'll go, I'll just be somewhere else later.

1014
00:54:12,639 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: Whyn't.

1015
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: You're like, it's it's like twenty twenty five. Your parents

1016
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,280
are like aged into krepit, and they're like, why are

1017
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,119
we being put in the FEMA cap And some government

1018
00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:25,000
goon is like, uh, well, we have on record from

1019
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,920
Lord Bezos that in nineteen ninety eight you bought the

1020
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:33,199
Hold of Pill Horse from Amazon, so you were on

1021
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:33,760
a list.

1022
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:36,639
Speaker 3: That I like Bill Cooper back then. Man, Bill Cooper

1023
00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:39,480
was cool. He uh when you actually when you read

1024
00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:42,119
Behold of Pale Horse, there's sections of it about alien stuff.

1025
00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:45,280
But he he kind of did a good retcon on that,

1026
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,760
and he says in his lectures he's like no, He's like,

1027
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,639
I'm one hundred percent. I think he wrote this in

1028
00:54:50,639 --> 00:54:51,239
the book too.

1029
00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 1: I think I know he had a change, right, he

1030
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:54,599
changed his position.

1031
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 3: Well, he says, he's like, I think they were He says,

1032
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,599
I think they were feeding me a lot of fake

1033
00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:02,239
documents to just make me try to He's like, I

1034
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:03,599
think a lot of the stuff that came across my

1035
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:08,079
desk were intentional disinformation that for the purpose of possibly

1036
00:55:08,119 --> 00:55:11,119
discrediting me. So that was his cope of why he

1037
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:12,760
you know, when he's when he wrote that stuff about

1038
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,519
the aliens. But apart from the alien stuff, the Behold

1039
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:19,480
the Pale Horse book was pretty eye opening and interesting

1040
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,440
and at least opened the door to start researching some

1041
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,960
of these other weird things. I mean, and they you know,

1042
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,880
he did he did. The death was it was it

1043
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,360
was very suspect what happened with his death.

1044
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: Well then, yeah, there was accusations at the time that

1045
00:55:36,119 --> 00:55:39,159
you know, because he had called out Alex and said

1046
00:55:39,159 --> 00:55:43,400
Alex was fake, that Alex had Bill Cooper. It was

1047
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:44,840
just I just thought.

1048
00:55:46,199 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 3: Big thing that had a big thing. Yeah. Cooper hated Alex.

1049
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:54,039
He he was always saying, how Alex is Alex is

1050
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:54,559
a shill.

1051
00:55:54,679 --> 00:55:59,519
Speaker 1: He's also at this around this time too, in the

1052
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:01,639
in the early to mid two thousands. We're actually moving

1053
00:56:01,639 --> 00:56:04,119
into the later two thousands, but there was this was

1054
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:06,400
the beginning of the theory that Alex is Bill Cooper,

1055
00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:08,880
I mean, is Bill Hicks, which is it's always been

1056
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,280
ridiculous because I remember I used to watch Bill Hicks,

1057
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,960
do you know, evening at the Improv and whatnot in

1058
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:18,360
the late eighties and into the nineties, and that's this

1059
00:56:18,519 --> 00:56:20,320
was around the time when you you know, you see

1060
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,280
the picture of Alex from high school when he's like

1061
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,880
buff Alex. You know that that old nineties picture of

1062
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,480
like super buff Alex Jones when he.

1063
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 3: Was here, you go, Jay trying to cover for his

1064
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,960
freaking big for his big money. Alex here to cover up.

1065
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,039
Speaker 1: I gotta cover up.

1066
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 4: But so we're supposed to believe it like this eighteen

1067
00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:41,760
year old dude, right who's like buff at the time

1068
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,840
of the early nineties, the same time is Bill Hicks,

1069
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,119
who was like still fat, cigarette.

1070
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:51,639
Speaker 1: Smoking beer swilling, you know, stand up comedian who's like forty.

1071
00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:58,119
Another reason people have this dumb theory is because Bill

1072
00:56:58,199 --> 00:57:02,400
Hicks was doing well, but he was doing uh and

1073
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,119
he was doing activism about Waco, and he might have

1074
00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:08,639
been he might even he might even be in Wake

1075
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,000
Up or Waco at one section, I can't remember.

1076
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:12,679
Speaker 3: But yeah, well they did. They did have overlap too,

1077
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:17,480
because who was who was his videographer, Hicks's close friend

1078
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,760
what was his name? Hicks had a really close friend

1079
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:20,039
that was.

1080
00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, forget Yeah that's what it was.

1081
00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:26,239
Speaker 3: You know, so they knew each other, they actually knew

1082
00:57:26,239 --> 00:57:29,039
each other. But yeah, Hicks, the timeline doesn't add up

1083
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,000
if Hicks was Alex. And you see Alex now he

1084
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:34,159
looks healthier, like he's starting to get in shape and stuff.

1085
00:57:34,199 --> 00:57:35,960
I saw that picture of him the other day he posted.

1086
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,559
He looks younger, he looks like he's not drinking so much,

1087
00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:42,000
and he's lost quite a bit away lifting again. So yeah,

1088
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,159
he looks like around the age that Bill Hicks looked

1089
00:57:46,159 --> 00:57:50,400
when Bill Hicks died supposedly died whatever, I mean, I

1090
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:54,360
hope my checks in the mail jay better better paid.

1091
00:57:54,519 --> 00:57:56,719
Speaker 1: Well, it's just it's funny looking back on you know

1092
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,039
a lot of a lot of these two thousands Eero

1093
00:57:59,079 --> 00:58:01,480
conspiracies and health dumb, dumb, so many of them were.

1094
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:05,280
But also around this time was a big one that

1095
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:10,320
popped off with Aaron Russo, Freedom to Fascism, which called

1096
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:15,719
attention to the Federal Reserve and to plans that that

1097
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:20,400
the elite had. And actually I clipped that section about

1098
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,519
feminism and put it on Twitter a while back and

1099
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:25,000
it got quite a bit of views because there's about

1100
00:58:25,039 --> 00:58:27,239
a two minute section where Aaron Russo talks about the

1101
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:32,239
Rockefellers designs for the feminist movement and why they supported it.

1102
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,280
And that's kind of a gem and that will always

1103
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:41,320
be I think popular from that documentary. But that's most

1104
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:41,719
That was.

1105
00:58:41,719 --> 00:58:44,199
Speaker 3: The best part of the documentary. Now, whatever happened, because

1106
00:58:44,199 --> 00:58:47,800
he part of the thesis of the documentary. As he

1107
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,920
was saying that he talked about Mike, You've already talked

1108
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,000
about getting chipped. It was like, yeah, everyone's gonna be

1109
00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:53,639
oh yeah, exactly.

1110
00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:55,719
Speaker 1: The microtis I forgot that. That's a key part of

1111
00:58:55,719 --> 00:58:56,360
that was.

1112
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:57,679
Speaker 3: A big one. I think that was the most alarming

1113
00:58:57,719 --> 00:59:00,280
part of it, that that's the end game.

1114
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: Now a couple more normy bad documentaries, propaganda wicked documentaries

1115
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,800
from this time period, not too long after Bowling for Columbine,

1116
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,480
and we get a few years later an Inconvenient Truth,

1117
00:59:14,039 --> 00:59:18,199
which is massive. I mean, it really did its job

1118
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,840
to convince so many people. Remember remember the hockey stick

1119
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:26,360
graph and how the and it was so big because

1120
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,159
of the polar Bear was gonna drown floating on the iceberg.

1121
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,119
And I mean it was just massive.

1122
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,119
Speaker 3: Moment of the polar bear on the iceberg. But dude,

1123
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:38,639
polar bear swim That polar bear got on that iceberg intentionally.

1124
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:39,880
They do that all the time.

1125
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: My German professor in undergrad so this comes out when

1126
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:47,039
I'm taking German class. She makes us watch Inconvenient Truth

1127
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:49,840
and write an essay on it. And I remember writing like,

1128
00:59:50,159 --> 00:59:52,559
first of all, what does this have to do with

1129
00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:54,559
the German class? I mean, it's just I mean no,

1130
00:59:54,639 --> 00:59:57,320
she's just like, it's just the way college operates where

1131
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,320
it's like you're taking German and they want you to

1132
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,960
watch this out war propaganda movie. Right, it makes no sense,

1133
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,000
but that's just how education is, right.

1134
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 3: If I ever watched it, But yeah, they were showing

1135
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,280
in schools there. I mean it was it was huge, man,

1136
01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:13,800
and there was there was so much misinformation and fraudulent

1137
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,000
information in that. And then you remember the IPCC scandal,

1138
01:00:17,039 --> 01:00:18,679
the climate gate scannal that happened right.

1139
01:00:18,639 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: Because Alex popped when they busted that as a scam,

1140
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,880
Alex popped champagne on there, remember that, Yeah.

1141
01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 3: And that's been forgotten. That's been why does nobody talk

1142
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,519
about that anymore? Like to me, that was that was

1143
01:00:33,559 --> 01:00:36,679
such a huge thing. In two thousand and seven, the

1144
01:00:36,719 --> 01:00:39,519
International Panel on Climate Change at the u N was

1145
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:45,079
caught frauding, defrauding the world in order to stoke fear

1146
01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:47,559
and tell you that the world's ending. I mean, this

1147
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,679
was I know, it's actually it actually reminds me of

1148
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,800
what the media did recently with like you know, Trump's

1149
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,719
a Nazi, like twenty Project twenty twenty five. Everyone freaked

1150
01:00:57,719 --> 01:01:01,440
out about this thing. That's like, you know, that's not real.

1151
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:04,639
But yeah, that and this is I mean, we're still

1152
01:01:04,679 --> 01:01:07,960
dealing with this, the repercussions of this, and it's coming, man,

1153
01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:11,039
the next year or two, they're they're for sure going

1154
01:01:11,079 --> 01:01:14,840
to revamp the whole you know, climate terrorizing people with

1155
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:18,559
climate stuff, because that's that's you know.

1156
01:01:18,599 --> 01:01:20,679
Speaker 1: That's never that will never go away.

1157
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 3: No, No, it's a it's here man. I mean, we've

1158
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,280
got you've got this huge drought in South America right now,

1159
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,840
and you know, like blackouts, I mean we have we

1160
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:36,320
have like twelve we had fourteen it was fourteen hours,

1161
01:01:36,519 --> 01:01:40,599
fourteen hour blackouts last week two weeks ago. And it's

1162
01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:42,639
coming back. Yeah, now we have we have six hours

1163
01:01:42,679 --> 01:01:48,159
a day without without electricity, and it's it's not due

1164
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:52,159
to climate change, right, but the narrative that the kind

1165
01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:56,920
of neoliberal US puppet government that's only living off of

1166
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,440
IMF money, that their narrative as well, this is because

1167
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:04,440
of unforeseen climate change. This is their drought cycles that

1168
01:02:04,519 --> 01:02:09,039
happen all the time. And here we have reliance. A

1169
01:02:09,039 --> 01:02:11,039
big part of the energy grade is powered through hydro

1170
01:02:11,079 --> 01:02:14,960
electric generation. So you got these big dams that will

1171
01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:19,280
you know, these big dams that will create these reservoirs

1172
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,760
of water and then that water goes through these turbines

1173
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,199
and generates tons of electricity for the country here. And

1174
01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:25,719
then there are also some of them that are on

1175
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,360
flatter rivers where there's less of a pitch and and

1176
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,440
not a drop off where they don't have an embalsa

1177
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,199
and a where they don't have a catchment and it's

1178
01:02:35,239 --> 01:02:37,760
just a free flow of water that goes through these

1179
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:42,559
turbines and generates electricity. Right. These these were all built,

1180
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:47,480
most of these were built by the Quorea administration which

1181
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,360
left in twenty seventeen, but there were also there's also

1182
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:58,079
backup power of like thermo electric generation like thermo plants,

1183
01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:01,159
which is just giant diesel generators. You know, you burn

1184
01:03:01,199 --> 01:03:05,199
diesel or you can burn natural gas and create electricity. Well,

1185
01:03:05,239 --> 01:03:08,079
the neoliberal regime that came in here like seven years

1186
01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:11,400
ago just gutted the whole. They gutted the state, right,

1187
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:15,239
this is what they do. So you've got, you know,

1188
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:19,400
billions of dollars worth of equipment that's rotting because they're

1189
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,079
not upkeeping it. They're not fixing these motors, right, and

1190
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:23,840
they want to blame it. They're saying, oh, no, it's

1191
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,079
because the previous you know, they they didn't finish building

1192
01:03:27,159 --> 01:03:31,719
these these hydro electric dams. The dams are bad. We

1193
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,320
don't like, we don't like what he did, what Korea

1194
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,679
did to actually build all the infrastructure in this country.

1195
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,000
We want to privatize everything, right, because Korea nationalized oil.

1196
01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:42,039
He was kind of on the naughty list of the

1197
01:03:42,119 --> 01:03:45,119
US for a long time. He was not like a

1198
01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:48,280
Goadaffi level character, but he was not in friendly relations

1199
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:52,440
with the US State Department. Anyways, what they've done is

1200
01:03:52,519 --> 01:03:55,079
just let all go to shit. They've let all of

1201
01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:58,440
the infrastructure rot. They haven't done any maintenance on the

1202
01:03:58,519 --> 01:04:00,960
hydro electric generation plans and they haven't kept with the

1203
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,800
long term plan the COREA developed and his administration had

1204
01:04:04,119 --> 01:04:08,320
to increase the production of electricity to meet the new

1205
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,360
demand because there's always more demand for electricity, right like,

1206
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,239
look at everybody with their devices. Now you know there's

1207
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,320
growing population. You need more electrical generation for the grid

1208
01:04:18,719 --> 01:04:22,360
to handle it. But anyways, you go through a drought,

1209
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:25,440
and these same drought cycles happen every like sixty years

1210
01:04:25,519 --> 01:04:27,599
or so. You get a big drought where it might

1211
01:04:27,639 --> 01:04:29,480
be three four years when you're not getting lots of

1212
01:04:29,559 --> 01:04:32,679
rain in these areas, and then you don't have enough electricity.

1213
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,880
But they're going to say, no, it's climate change. Right

1214
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,280
So now in Ecuador, that's climate change and the government's

1215
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,239
completely broke. They took five hundred million dollars. The president

1216
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,519
took five hundred million dollars from the SELECT, which is

1217
01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:48,360
this like the state state electrical company, and he paid

1218
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,320
the IMF with that instead of doing maintenance on the

1219
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:55,000
power grid. Now there's blackouts of fourteen hours. But the

1220
01:04:55,079 --> 01:04:59,960
IMF releases a statement congratulating Ecuador on lowering their invent

1221
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:03,800
SMIT risk because they paid the IMF with the money

1222
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,280
that should have been used to fix the freaking country.

1223
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:10,199
It's like the perpetual cycle in South America is But

1224
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,199
now they're saying, well, it's because of climate change. And

1225
01:05:13,239 --> 01:05:15,360
the president the other day just announced because there's an

1226
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,480
election coming up and he's gonna lose, he's gonna get destroyed,

1227
01:05:18,599 --> 01:05:24,440
like Kamala level destruction. He says, we're gonna give four

1228
01:05:24,519 --> 01:05:27,920
hundred dollars a month, which is a lot of money

1229
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:33,719
in Ecuador, to youths who are gonna participate in climate action.

1230
01:05:34,599 --> 01:05:36,599
And so he's gonna get four hundred dollars a month

1231
01:05:36,599 --> 01:05:39,559
in the next three months, which is right before the election.

1232
01:05:39,639 --> 01:05:41,639
He's tried and trying to buy votes, and he's using

1233
01:05:41,679 --> 01:05:45,039
IMF money to just give out four hundred dollars for

1234
01:05:45,239 --> 01:05:47,239
and they're not gonna do anything. They're gonna say like, oh, yeah,

1235
01:05:47,239 --> 01:05:50,360
we're doing climate action. But I'm pretty sure that this

1236
01:05:50,519 --> 01:05:52,800
is just part of the secret that you have hidden

1237
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,840
loan conditions with the IMF, and part of that is

1238
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,840
to like invest in climate change resilience programs and stuff.

1239
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,559
So they're probably gonna have these kids, you know, go

1240
01:06:01,679 --> 01:06:03,599
around and I don't know what they'll have them do,

1241
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,119
but they'll get four hundred bucks a month to fight

1242
01:06:06,239 --> 01:06:09,239
climate change in a country that has no electricity for

1243
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:13,440
fourteen hours a day because the uh because it's supposedly

1244
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,400
broke and it doesn't have money to fix the electrical grid.

1245
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,480
But it's climate change, right, and you just keep you

1246
01:06:19,519 --> 01:06:22,519
can just keep doing this scam. You de electrify all

1247
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:26,559
these third world countries, you remove their ability to use

1248
01:06:26,719 --> 01:06:29,000
what they call fossil fuels, which is all a huge

1249
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:33,199
scam too, right, And and then you blame it on

1250
01:06:33,239 --> 01:06:36,280
climate change. So look, we gotta we got to stop

1251
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,239
using cars. You can't have cars. We've got to make

1252
01:06:38,239 --> 01:06:41,639
the price of gas higher because of climate change. And yeah,

1253
01:06:41,679 --> 01:06:43,840
so you can think al Gore and the Inconvenient Truth

1254
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,800
and all the billions of dollars of marketing and Madison

1255
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:54,000
Avenue brainwashing for for this kind of cultural climate that

1256
01:06:54,119 --> 01:06:57,239
allows us to be is perpetual state of terror and

1257
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:01,000
trepidation that the weather, which never supposed to change.

1258
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:06,559
Speaker 1: Every time you fart, you're basically causing hurricanes. Yeah, so

1259
01:07:06,719 --> 01:07:10,320
humans shouldn't exist and then we'll have peaceful sunny days.

1260
01:07:12,159 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 3: Exact.

1261
01:07:13,079 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: Now, a couple more big ones from the two thousands

1262
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,639
before we leave that era of the two thousands in

1263
01:07:18,719 --> 01:07:22,280
the normy sphere. One of these actually kind of overlap

1264
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,559
into the alternativeda sphere. Supersize Me two thousand and four

1265
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:32,000
and Adam Curtis's Century of the Self and Power of Nightmares.

1266
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:36,880
Those end up being huge documentaries that actually continue to

1267
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,639
have steam into the twenty tens, because if you guys remember,

1268
01:07:40,639 --> 01:07:43,159
it was about twenty seventeen. I'll never forget this when

1269
01:07:43,239 --> 01:07:46,599
Kanye tweeted out about Century of the Self, and people

1270
01:07:46,679 --> 01:07:48,440
kind of sense, hey, Kanye is on some kind of

1271
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:50,679
a journey here. But one of the movies, one of

1272
01:07:50,719 --> 01:07:52,920
the documentaries that he watched was Curtis The Center of

1273
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:58,559
the Self. Did you find either Supersize Me or Century

1274
01:07:58,519 --> 01:07:59,960
of the Self to be impact?

1275
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,039
Speaker 3: I didn't see them until later. I didn't see until

1276
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:07,960
maybe twenty eleven or twelve.

1277
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 1: That's probably relative the one.

1278
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:13,239
Speaker 3: What was the other one he made? There was a

1279
01:08:13,239 --> 01:08:15,280
Century of the Self, and then Adam Curtis like hyper.

1280
01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:17,600
Speaker 1: Power of Nightmares. There's another one, hyper or something.

1281
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought the hyper normal is that was an

1282
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,039
interesting I mean, the concepts are interesting, but it kind

1283
01:08:23,039 --> 01:08:28,680
of had this almost like neoliberal assumption underneath it of

1284
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,399
like but it's like this, the Russians that are doing

1285
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:36,439
all this stuff right right right, yeah, assentially of the self.

1286
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,760
I remember enjoying it. I mean it's isn't it a

1287
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:39,600
few hours long?

1288
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,600
Speaker 1: Like it's a pretty three three or four hours long

1289
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:43,079
for sure.

1290
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:47,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really like that. I enjoy when when something

1291
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:49,119
when they put in the energy and the time where

1292
01:08:49,119 --> 01:08:52,239
you got to kind of watch it in chunks. I

1293
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:55,560
that's missing now, like you don't have that anymore, you know.

1294
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,880
It's it's the attention span is fried. All of our

1295
01:08:59,159 --> 01:09:01,399
our minds are nobody can do it anymore.

1296
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:05,159
Speaker 1: Also, towards the end of the two thousands is the

1297
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:10,000
beginning of John Taylor Goddo's materials being promoted particularly by

1298
01:09:10,119 --> 01:09:14,880
Richard Over at Tragian Hope, and you know, the whole

1299
01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:23,479
sphere of education and the homeschooling. Remember Brett Venot's podcast

1300
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:27,319
school Sucks. Podcast was pretty popular in the alternative media

1301
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:31,039
sphere for many years. So this is around the two

1302
01:09:31,039 --> 01:09:37,479
thousand and eight to twenty twelve period. Lesser known documentaries

1303
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,720
from that period Truth Rising. I'll never forget that because

1304
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:45,119
Alex played the ad for Truth Rising so many times

1305
01:09:45,159 --> 01:09:50,319
and it had Luke confrontings at Brazenski and you know, Lucas,

1306
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:52,119
I'll never forget it because I've heard it so many time.

1307
01:09:52,159 --> 01:09:54,960
Luke asked the question about some of the Big Nine

1308
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,159
and resenting, he goes, sit down and shut up because

1309
01:09:58,159 --> 01:10:03,279
he's had these these and then Luke asking Bill Clinton

1310
01:10:03,359 --> 01:10:09,119
famously and Clinton going how there you how that was

1311
01:10:09,119 --> 01:10:10,399
his response to Luke.

1312
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 3: It was amazing, dude, that that was the best era,

1313
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,359
the we are change that was, that was the best

1314
01:10:17,039 --> 01:10:22,199
they were. Yeah, that's crazy. I mean Jason Burma's Luke Radowski.

1315
01:10:22,279 --> 01:10:25,119
Speaker 1: It was pretty wild. Like I mean, Luke had balls

1316
01:10:25,119 --> 01:10:26,880
of steel, man. I mean, I would have been scared

1317
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,720
to go up to you know, Rockefeller and all these

1318
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:31,359
characters and ask these questions.

1319
01:10:31,399 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 3: But that was it was so inspiring. But it was

1320
01:10:35,159 --> 01:10:38,600
was like a it kind of it synced up a

1321
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:43,640
lot with kind of like nineties punk kid vibe. You know,

1322
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,239
it was kind of this it was like this rebellious

1323
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,560
you know, buck the system, like we know the systems corrupt,

1324
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,079
and then it took it to this other level of

1325
01:10:51,119 --> 01:10:56,359
like we're gonna confront on camera, right these people, and

1326
01:10:56,359 --> 01:10:59,319
and he was coming in armed with with not just

1327
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,439
with not just like balls, but he would ask them

1328
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:04,520
really cutting questions.

1329
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, he had the great the best sort of

1330
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,079
get down to the point, you know, why are you

1331
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:12,399
funding this? If you know blah blah blah. How you

1332
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:13,239
know I forgot that.

1333
01:11:13,319 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 3: I mean Luke was involved in Loose Change right like he.

1334
01:11:16,079 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: Started look started used to Lose Change with that other guy.

1335
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:24,640
But Truth Rising was a we are Change in partnership

1336
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,720
with Alex documentary because Alex would would kind of make

1337
01:11:28,039 --> 01:11:33,960
and produce these documentaries with Burmas with Richard Grove because

1338
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:34,840
they ended up making.

1339
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, he would buy him right like he would help

1340
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,359
because he had audience, right, so he would help push

1341
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:40,840
it out.

1342
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: But there's also the uh Richard Grove Alex documentary. We'll

1343
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,880
get into that in the twenty tens. Minds of not

1344
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:53,119
minds of Man. That's that's Melissa and Aaron's but state

1345
01:11:53,159 --> 01:11:55,319
of mind, which is which the state of Yeah, state

1346
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,760
Mine's men is great. State of Mind is forgotten too,

1347
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:01,479
But that's Richard and Alex's production. But but yeah, Truth

1348
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:07,159
Rising was was Alex and Luke. And then before we

1349
01:12:07,279 --> 01:12:09,920
leave the two thousands, people are asking about Loose Change.

1350
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:11,439
Of course we mentioned it the Loose Change was the

1351
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,039
first thing we talked about, and you got maybe you

1352
01:12:13,079 --> 01:12:16,199
guys just got here. But we've already covered essentially all

1353
01:12:16,199 --> 01:12:19,640
of the two thousands era, you know, key documentaries that

1354
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:24,239
stick out. There is one remaining. There's a couple obscure

1355
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,359
remaining ones from around two thousand and eight, nine ten

1356
01:12:28,359 --> 01:12:29,880
before we leave the two thousand that we have to

1357
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:33,720
mention the biggest of that period probably would be Obama deception.

1358
01:12:34,359 --> 01:12:37,359
I mean, obviously loose Change is up there, but Obama

1359
01:12:37,359 --> 01:12:40,960
deception was massive. This is where Alex really broke into

1360
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,560
the mainstream. Fox News is talking about it. Alex goes

1361
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,399
on Fox at different things. This is probably around the

1362
01:12:47,399 --> 01:12:51,079
time of the Piers Morgan video and Alex goes viral

1363
01:12:51,119 --> 01:12:53,880
through yelling at Appier's Morgan about seventy to seventy six,

1364
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,880
and do you I mean, obama sception was just so

1365
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,239
massive it took Alex to the next level. I mean,

1366
01:13:00,239 --> 01:13:01,560
it was the next level well Alex.

1367
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,640
Speaker 3: Alex was kind of he was on a tear at

1368
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,720
the time too. I think he was at like peak

1369
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:10,680
just like peak Alex manickness, you know, like he was

1370
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:14,239
so intense and he was so I mean, uh, yeah.

1371
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,840
I just remember he got he went so far with

1372
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:18,840
some of it that a lot of people were just like, dude,

1373
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,800
this guy, Like was wrong with this guy?

1374
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, some people were mad about the Peers Morgan thing

1375
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:25,319
made people mad. Yeah, not everybody.

1376
01:13:27,159 --> 01:13:29,119
Speaker 3: I was mad at the Peers Peers Morgan. There was

1377
01:13:29,159 --> 01:13:32,479
just like this guy. People were like, people were postulating

1378
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,760
that he is he wanted to try to make everybody

1379
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:36,720
look bad and then that's why he was doing this stuff,

1380
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,960
you know, like Piers Morgan and just freaking out. So

1381
01:13:40,039 --> 01:13:41,640
a lot of people were upset. They're like, this is

1382
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,479
bad optics. It makes us all look like I remember,

1383
01:13:45,079 --> 01:13:47,680
it makes the pro gun control people think were unhinged.

1384
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:49,479
So that that was.

1385
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: I never I didn't, I didn't dislike it. I always

1386
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:56,640
thought it was like intentional sort of character showmanship, and

1387
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:58,600
it was theatrics, and I thought, I mean, that's just

1388
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:00,920
what Alex always does so well.

1389
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:03,079
Speaker 3: I think just being young at the time too, and

1390
01:14:03,159 --> 01:14:07,000
just being so being so jaded by the whole even

1391
01:14:07,119 --> 01:14:10,520
within the whole like truth movement thing, seeing people that

1392
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:14,119
were really sketchy, and I mean, you know, anybody who

1393
01:14:14,119 --> 01:14:17,359
gets involved, you know. Two thousand and seven, two thousand

1394
01:14:17,359 --> 01:14:21,479
and nine twenty ten era, and like local politics, you

1395
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:26,479
start to see that corruption, infiltration, and just weird shady

1396
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,359
stuff happens even at the local level in small towns,

1397
01:14:29,399 --> 01:14:32,079
like in places like California. I remember, you know, he

1398
01:14:32,159 --> 01:14:34,960
had somebody that was trying to get like a libertarian,

1399
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:39,199
trying to get elected a city council and just seeing

1400
01:14:39,279 --> 01:14:44,479
how conniving and fake the whole election process is, like,

1401
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:46,760
you can't even you can't even run as an Independence.

1402
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,800
So then she had to register as a Republican and

1403
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,079
try to run as a Republican. So then you had

1404
01:14:51,079 --> 01:14:53,920
to get people to register as Republicans to actually vote

1405
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:57,640
in to actually get her on the ballot. Even so

1406
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,880
all this stuff was just just so ridiculous. But then

1407
01:15:01,399 --> 01:15:04,920
you also I remember seeing, you know, we'd have these

1408
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,079
libertarian like type meetings. We're trying to get rid of

1409
01:15:07,079 --> 01:15:09,840
smart meters and you know, make sure that because they're

1410
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,680
always trying to push for fluoride in the water too

1411
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,840
in Santa Cruz County where we lived, so we'd have

1412
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,560
to constantly be pushing back against them trying to put

1413
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,960
fluoride in the water. And you go to these meetings

1414
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,119
and there'd be like fifty one hundred people there. But

1415
01:15:23,159 --> 01:15:25,079
then guys would start showing up, like there was this

1416
01:15:25,159 --> 01:15:28,840
Clinton operative that would show up in a small place

1417
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,239
and medium sized place in Santa Cruz. And he would

1418
01:15:31,239 --> 01:15:33,000
show up and he'd smell like brandy. This guy was

1419
01:15:33,039 --> 01:15:37,640
a total drunk and he actually worked with you, worked

1420
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:40,119
for Bill Clinton, was in the White House with Bill Clinton.

1421
01:15:40,119 --> 01:15:42,840
I forget this douchebag's name. This guy was awful though,

1422
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,520
and he would always cause a scene anytime there was

1423
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:48,399
like you know, after we watched like Aaron Russo's Freedom

1424
01:15:48,399 --> 01:15:50,600
to Fascism, and at the end of it, he would

1425
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:54,760
always he would be half drunk, greeked of alcohol, but

1426
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:56,600
didn't act super drunk, so you could tell he's like

1427
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,960
a functional alcoholic, right, And he would be he would

1428
01:16:00,199 --> 01:16:04,079
start ranting about nothing and just start wasting people's time

1429
01:16:04,159 --> 01:16:06,640
and trying to argue with people about petty stuff and

1430
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,319
redirect the conversation and the useless avenues. And I just

1431
01:16:10,359 --> 01:16:13,840
remember seeing stuff like this and and thinking like, man,

1432
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:17,079
this this guy's not a fed you know, he openly

1433
01:16:17,119 --> 01:16:19,520
worked for Bill Clinton. He has no reason to be here.

1434
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:23,319
He's can completely ideologic, ideologically opposed everything we're doing and

1435
01:16:23,399 --> 01:16:24,880
every time he comes in here, he's trying to get

1436
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,399
people's names, he's trying to get people to say things.

1437
01:16:28,079 --> 01:16:30,720
It was very strange. So seeing stuff like that at

1438
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:34,640
the time made me also super paranoid about you know,

1439
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:38,039
anybody that had a big following, like, oh wow, you know,

1440
01:16:38,039 --> 01:16:41,760
there's so much infiltration at the small level. Therefore, who

1441
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,279
knows what's going on like the national media level.

1442
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:47,079
Speaker 1: I think everybody has that kind of phase too, and

1443
01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:49,279
uh in some degree where you kind of as you

1444
01:16:49,359 --> 01:16:53,159
go through experiencing and learning all these things. You you know,

1445
01:16:53,239 --> 01:16:55,439
you go you have that phase where you're like UFOs

1446
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:57,760
and the kind of out there stuff, and then then

1447
01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:59,479
you kind of go through the oh, everything's part of

1448
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,479
the conspiracy, see and everybody's an agent and you have

1449
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:04,239
that that thought process as well.

1450
01:17:04,279 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 3: I don't the Obama deception era that for me, it

1451
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:08,560
was a little bit of that because I was maybe

1452
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:10,880
twenty four years old twenty three is still young, and

1453
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:14,199
just kind of just overwhelmed by all this stuff, right,

1454
01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:16,039
you said, you learn all this stuff in a short

1455
01:17:16,079 --> 01:17:18,760
period of time, and then you start trying to take

1456
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:20,920
action and you're just kind of hitting your head against

1457
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:22,560
the wall sometimes and it's like, well, why do you

1458
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:26,239
even care about convincing people about some of these things too? Yeah,

1459
01:17:26,399 --> 01:17:27,960
and then you started heading out with people in that

1460
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:31,279
same sphere, and everybody got their own little pet obsession, right,

1461
01:17:31,319 --> 01:17:34,159
You got the guy that's obsessed with the Jesuits, the

1462
01:17:34,199 --> 01:17:36,880
guy that's obsessed with the other Jays.

1463
01:17:37,079 --> 01:17:39,600
Speaker 1: No, it was very much that way in the two thousands.

1464
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:42,720
There were there were like these niches and it was like,

1465
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:45,960
you know, everything was that group, and you had to

1466
01:17:46,079 --> 01:17:48,439
believe that, you know, to kind of be in that niche.

1467
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,680
It was. It was very factional, I guess you could say.

1468
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:56,479
And really the only broad appeal at this time was

1469
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,039
Ron Paul related. I mean that Ron Paul is really

1470
01:17:59,039 --> 01:18:02,640
the focal point for a lot of this stuff throughout

1471
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:06,079
the two thousands and less are so Alex because you know,

1472
01:18:06,119 --> 01:18:10,800
Alex was seen as the conspiracy there's the king of conspiracy. Yeah.

1473
01:18:11,079 --> 01:18:13,319
Speaker 3: But but Alex was also like one of my favorites

1474
01:18:13,359 --> 01:18:14,680
at the time too, you know, he was you know,

1475
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,039
I would listen to him all the time, you know,

1476
01:18:17,079 --> 01:18:19,479
from the time I heard of him. I think my

1477
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:21,439
grandma actually told me about him back in like two

1478
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:25,479
thousand six or so. She used to listen to him too,

1479
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,000
but she was really paranoid. To my grandma, she's like

1480
01:18:30,039 --> 01:18:34,359
Alex Jones, that Alex Jones, he's a Judas goat. She

1481
01:18:34,359 --> 01:18:38,000
she had read Michael calling Piper's book about the Judas

1482
01:18:38,079 --> 01:18:42,840
Goat's like the you know, fake right wing infiltrators.

1483
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:45,319
Speaker 1: That I didn't know. I have his book on the

1484
01:18:45,399 --> 01:18:47,680
JFK stuff. I didn't, but I didn't never get into

1485
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:52,680
other elements others final judgment. He had some good right,

1486
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:54,960
you know, it is pretty good. I just didn't get it.

1487
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:58,119
I never got into the other stuff from Michael Collins Piper,

1488
01:18:58,119 --> 01:19:00,199
but I remember that era and I remember I to

1489
01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:02,159
read the Spotlight. I would go to you know, Jim

1490
01:19:02,199 --> 01:19:06,960
Tucker's Spotlight website. Read that pretty consistently, and uh if

1491
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,039
I remember, isn't it a big part of endgame that

1492
01:19:10,199 --> 01:19:14,319
Alex is. It's like is it Chantilly Virginia Bilderberg that

1493
01:19:14,399 --> 01:19:18,359
year and I think he interviews Jim Talker and I

1494
01:19:18,399 --> 01:19:22,000
think Daniel Esslon aren't they also in excell?

1495
01:19:22,399 --> 01:19:26,359
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, we had talked about, like last month when

1496
01:19:26,399 --> 01:19:28,960
we did that stream, we talked about doing his book

1497
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:32,680
on on Tavistock. Right, there's another new book on Tavistock

1498
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:34,920
by Coleman and asked you Lynn how to didn't.

1499
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:40,279
Speaker 1: Askin's book summarizes Coleman's book. But Coleman's book is old,

1500
01:19:40,359 --> 01:19:42,039
but now it's reprint that you can buy it.

1501
01:19:42,039 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 3: Again, Okay, Yeah, damn Man. And there was also Anthony

1502
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:48,079
Hilder Anthony J. Hill.

1503
01:19:48,119 --> 01:19:51,159
Speaker 1: Oh, that's the next that's the Yeah. Hilder's documentary I

1504
01:19:51,159 --> 01:19:53,399
remember having an impact on me. This is toward's around

1505
01:19:53,399 --> 01:19:55,760
twenty nine or ten when I saw it. It might

1506
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:57,880
be a little bit earlier, but it's Illuminati and the

1507
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:01,560
New World Order, featuring an Any J. Hilder, David Ike,

1508
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,880
and Jordan Maxwell. That one was a very popular documentary.

1509
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:06,960
I remember that because that was the first time I

1510
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,520
remember hearing the idea because it was David Ike was saying,

1511
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:16,560
in these rituals, the elite uh tapping into realities outside

1512
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:19,560
of fall since reality, you know, he was talking about

1513
01:20:20,039 --> 01:20:22,920
the Satanic rituals and they tap into these energy. That

1514
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:24,800
was the first time I've ever heard that was was

1515
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:25,720
in that documentary.

1516
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 3: Well. I remember also Ike's the Credo Mutwa interview is

1517
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:33,359
like three or four hours long talking about you know,

1518
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,399
the Shawmans and like, you know, cryptids and tying that

1519
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:40,600
in with inter dimensional demonic stuff, and then somehow tying

1520
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,840
that in with the well, no, they're actually physical shape

1521
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:49,279
shifting reptiles. That was. That was a really funny time too.

1522
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,159
I don't know what year that came out, but I

1523
01:20:51,319 --> 01:20:53,079
saw it, maybe in two thousand and seven.

1524
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bought. I mean, I still have mine David

1525
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,000
Ike books, but I would hear in there pick up

1526
01:20:58,079 --> 01:21:03,760
at use bookstores. You know, what's the biggest secret of

1527
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,479
all those old school Ike books?

1528
01:21:07,319 --> 01:21:09,600
Speaker 3: My grandma said. My grandma liked David I.

1529
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.

1530
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was super into David Ike. I mean, I

1531
01:21:19,399 --> 01:21:27,520
believed she had all these She would buy every book.

1532
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:31,600
She would buy so many books. She wasn't she was

1533
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,479
not well off too. She was like not financially well off.

1534
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:36,119
She should have been buying so many.

1535
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:40,159
Speaker 7: Books, and she she would she signed up for you know,

1536
01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:44,279
it wasn't American Free Press, that uh, the newspaper thing,

1537
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:46,800
and then she would she would always order the books

1538
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:47,880
that were like at the end of the.

1539
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:52,560
Speaker 1: Cast, was that America Free Press was that connected The

1540
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:54,880
spotlight in Jim Talker America Free Press.

1541
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,079
Speaker 3: I think so. I think it may have been. I

1542
01:21:58,079 --> 01:22:00,439
mean it was kind of like it was conspiracy stuff

1543
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:05,039
combined with patriot type stuff. Yes, and it was you know,

1544
01:22:05,079 --> 01:22:08,039
you had to you get on the list. You're on

1545
01:22:08,079 --> 01:22:11,439
the list, man, you buy that magazine, you're on that list.

1546
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:13,760
You get you're gonna have a red dot on your mailbox.

1547
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,760
And that means that when FEMA comes through, you're you're

1548
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:20,920
going to the U you go, You're going out the outdoor, right.

1549
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 1: Pat con right, the patriot conservative.

1550
01:22:27,039 --> 01:22:29,319
Speaker 3: I still have to read Whitney Painter's book. Do you

1551
01:22:29,399 --> 01:22:30,359
have Whitny Painter's book?

1552
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:32,680
Speaker 1: Whitney Painter, Who's that?

1553
01:22:33,399 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 3: You said? Con right?

1554
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I've not read a book on it. I

1555
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,479
just remember that. I mean I've I'm familiar with that

1556
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:45,079
domain because I've read critiques of uh, that sphere of stuff.

1557
01:22:46,399 --> 01:22:49,600
For example, Tarcolely used to critique it pretty heavily, and

1558
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:51,880
he would talk about the funding and the people behind it.

1559
01:22:52,119 --> 01:22:55,199
Alan Watt for years and years and years would go

1560
01:22:55,239 --> 01:22:58,520
after the pack con people and bow Grits and all

1561
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:02,840
the kind of the fake uh you know, sovereign citizen

1562
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:08,840
people throughout that whole bunch of fakery. But there are

1563
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:10,279
several characters in that.

1564
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 3: The Secret Lives is Benathy McVay.

1565
01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, and that that overlaps, that overlaps with what

1566
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,520
we're talking about, right, yeah.

1567
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:27,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean pat con stuff, and it's talking

1568
01:23:27,079 --> 01:23:30,239
about the nineties and the Patriot movement and infiltration from

1569
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:35,399
Christian identity. The user and she, I guess, the writer.

1570
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,960
There's a great series of interviews with her, and I

1571
01:23:39,039 --> 01:23:40,439
was like, I got to get her book and read it,

1572
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:43,600
but I haven't read it yet, but she talks about

1573
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:46,399
she's she's really into like Thomas Pinson and stuff too,

1574
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:48,560
so I think she's got like kind of a kind

1575
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:54,479
of pension esque writing style. But the story is crazy, man,

1576
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:57,720
Like when you really look into the McVeigh stuff and

1577
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:01,600
what happened with you know, yes, well it's absolute madness.

1578
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,159
Speaker 1: I was going to say. Also, as we begin to

1579
01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:08,399
leave the two thousands, Yeah, the two thousands one of

1580
01:24:08,399 --> 01:24:12,680
the big ones. Right on the cusp there is Noble Lie,

1581
01:24:13,399 --> 01:24:18,279
the famous documentary about okay see, and not too long

1582
01:24:18,319 --> 01:24:22,319
after that, maybe twenty fourteen, we also get the rise

1583
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:25,239
in this in the alternaive media sphere of Corbett, and

1584
01:24:25,319 --> 01:24:30,600
I think Corbett did a lot to really try to

1585
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:35,039
at least substantiate all of the so called conspiracy stuff

1586
01:24:35,079 --> 01:24:37,479
and ground it in real world you know, proofs, and

1587
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:39,079
he did really good with a lot of he like

1588
01:24:39,119 --> 01:24:41,760
he did a big oil series in documentary. I remember

1589
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:45,039
that being really powerful. He was way ahead of the time,

1590
01:24:45,279 --> 01:24:46,640
ahead of the times when it came to a lot

1591
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:49,800
of the tech stuff. And I'm not trying to Discorbett.

1592
01:24:50,039 --> 01:24:52,880
Maybe he's still putting out information I haven't really kept up, but.

1593
01:24:53,119 --> 01:24:55,159
Speaker 3: Well, I think he got kicked off, right, you know,

1594
01:24:55,279 --> 01:24:59,119
that's hard to find people for that. Yeah, but I think,

1595
01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:03,159
like Mark Passy on some of those retards.

1596
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:07,159
Speaker 1: The other thing that Corbett dead was he was one

1597
01:25:07,159 --> 01:25:09,880
of the first to have these bite sized things go

1598
01:25:10,039 --> 01:25:12,560
viral about things like the Big Nine events. So you

1599
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,600
had had, you know, loose change and that kind of stuff,

1600
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:19,079
but Corbett was churning out stuff about the Big Nine

1601
01:25:19,119 --> 01:25:21,199
that would go viral on the regular and that's actually

1602
01:25:21,239 --> 01:25:23,439
if I re call went ended up getting him booted

1603
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:27,399
from various platforms. But he also put out a thing

1604
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:32,279
on McVeigh which was really really well done about the

1605
01:25:32,319 --> 01:25:36,159
Black Ops usage of McVeigh. It may tie into what

1606
01:25:36,199 --> 01:25:37,199
that book you're talking about.

1607
01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:40,159
Speaker 3: Did you ever see It's so crazy. I mean there's

1608
01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:45,000
stuff comes, there's dentists, there's always dentists.

1609
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,359
Speaker 1: Did you ever see Corbett's thing on McVeigh, it's really good.

1610
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:49,560
Speaker 3: Did you talk about the dental work, about his dental

1611
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:50,880
records and his medical records.

1612
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I just remember him going into a

1613
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:55,840
lot of depth about sheep dipping and all that kind

1614
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:56,199
of stuff.

1615
01:25:56,359 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh no, man, he's surround there's so many weird

1616
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:03,479
people surrounding him. It just it gets really crazy. They

1617
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:09,479
are all these like cult figures that have connections all over. Yeah. Yeah,

1618
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:11,600
I've got I've got to read Aberration now now, No,

1619
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:14,720
I'm a I got it on my desk. It will

1620
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:16,319
be read.

1621
01:26:16,199 --> 01:26:19,239
Speaker 1: Now in my analysis. There's a couple more from the

1622
01:26:19,279 --> 01:26:22,079
two thousands before in the enormy sphere before we get

1623
01:26:22,079 --> 01:26:26,199
into the twenty tens. Did you ever watch Food Ink

1624
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:30,960
or Aliens of the Deep from Cameron? I remember Aliens

1625
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:31,840
of the Deep was a big thing.

1626
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:34,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, food Inc. What year was Food Ink?

1627
01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:37,399
Speaker 1: Footing is two thousand and eight.

1628
01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:42,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I remember Food Inc. And I mean Food Inc.

1629
01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:43,800
I think it just came down to like well, everything's

1630
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:45,760
basically corn and soy and it's all GMO.

1631
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 1: I think that was in Yeah. And then did you

1632
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:52,760
ever see Cameron's Aliens of the Deep, which was which

1633
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:56,079
you think the reason that was it was? It was well,

1634
01:26:56,119 --> 01:26:58,119
it was so remember when James Cameron had this big

1635
01:26:58,199 --> 01:27:00,199
made a big deal in two thousands about he had

1636
01:27:00,199 --> 01:27:03,359
put all this money into this craft that was able

1637
01:27:03,399 --> 01:27:05,600
to go deeper in the oceans than anyone else had

1638
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:06,039
ever been.

1639
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, he got obsessed with that after Titanic.

1640
01:27:11,039 --> 01:27:13,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so the whole documentary is supposed to be

1641
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:15,319
and I remember watching it when it came out. It

1642
01:27:15,319 --> 01:27:18,039
was a big deal. It's like all of these weird

1643
01:27:18,079 --> 01:27:20,760
sea creatures no one's ever seen because James Cameron went

1644
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,800
deeper than anybody else. That was the whole thing. But

1645
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:26,199
but what the reason it's called Aliens from the Deep?

1646
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:29,119
Believe it or not? If I recall, it was actually

1647
01:27:29,119 --> 01:27:31,640
trying to shoehorn an alien stuff. It's like, you have

1648
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:34,319
a hard time believing in aliens. Look at these weird

1649
01:27:34,359 --> 01:27:39,520
ass sea creatures. There's probably aliens. That's that's like where

1650
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:40,279
he's going with it.

1651
01:27:41,079 --> 01:27:44,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's kind of a shitty business. But

1652
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:47,760
it's like you're you're basically relying on the assumption that

1653
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:51,399
your audience is going to be stoned enough to get

1654
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:54,680
in that mind. Whoa dude, Every every creature is like

1655
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:57,319
an alien. Have you seen a praying mandis, dude?

1656
01:27:58,119 --> 01:28:00,640
Speaker 1: But no, it's like these under sea creatures that all

1657
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:02,319
look kind of like aliens. That's the whole thing.

1658
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 3: But if you ever looked through a microscope, dude.

1659
01:28:05,399 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 1: Exactly, and that looked like it looks like aliens, but like,

1660
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:13,319
probably there are aliens.

1661
01:28:13,079 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 3: If you like, if you like smoking up o g

1662
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,760
cush and you just get really really close to a

1663
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:22,640
beatle bro or like an ant, they're aliens, dude. Have

1664
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,479
you seen their eyes? Their eyes are so big, dude,

1665
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:27,039
they're freaking aliens, bro.

1666
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:31,199
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. That's if I remember. And I haven't seen

1667
01:28:31,239 --> 01:28:33,760
Aliens from the Deep since it came out, but that's

1668
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:36,840
what I remember, and I remember not too long after

1669
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:41,680
this is when James Cameron goes on to working with

1670
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:44,039
NASA and promoting a bunch of like nap is the

1671
01:28:44,079 --> 01:28:48,680
crap and you know, mars literal alien bull crap.

1672
01:28:49,359 --> 01:28:51,520
Speaker 3: And then but then what's funny is he fell off

1673
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:55,640
so hard that he made some the gayest documentary ever made,

1674
01:28:56,039 --> 01:28:58,960
the Game Changers, like twenty Game Changers.

1675
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:00,520
Speaker 1: We're not we're gonna get to I've got it on

1676
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:03,199
the list, don't worry. But we're not too twenty We're

1677
01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:07,439
not to twenty eighteen. Yet we're almost there.

1678
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 3: What I'm just laughing at the chat. So it's like

1679
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:14,960
Jamie packs a bull.

1680
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:19,239
Speaker 1: We're going to decide if aliens exists watching these James

1681
01:29:19,239 --> 01:29:25,600
Cameron documentaries about the ocean. Let's see. Okay, we're into

1682
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:28,359
the twenty Now here's the bad part about the twenty tens.

1683
01:29:29,239 --> 01:29:35,199
In my opinion my analysis, this is where documentaries begin

1684
01:29:35,399 --> 01:29:39,199
to go down the route of the New Age bull

1685
01:29:39,239 --> 01:29:45,760
crap and pretty much being completely shifting towards leftism. Alex

1686
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:50,399
doesn't really go for documentaries anymore. He's built up enough

1687
01:29:50,399 --> 01:29:53,920
of an audience that he's not really doing big documentaries.

1688
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:58,079
By twenty sixteen, we get Trump. Alex is full on

1689
01:29:58,119 --> 01:30:04,159
board with Trump, so there's not really Alex types making documentaries.

1690
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:12,720
Burmas does continue. Burmas makes Shadow Shadow Whatever Masters look

1691
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:15,439
at the name of it. He makes a couple more.

1692
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,640
There are some good documentaries though, in the twenty tens

1693
01:30:20,199 --> 01:30:22,680
that stick out in my mind, one of which is

1694
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,640
Mirage Men, And for me, Mirage Men really settled any

1695
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:29,159
latent doubts that I had about the Black Ops side

1696
01:30:29,319 --> 01:30:32,760
of the alien phenomenon. I think Mirageman really if.

1697
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 3: You paid document.

1698
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:40,119
Speaker 1: Another big one is Open Secret. So twenty fourteen we

1699
01:30:40,199 --> 01:30:45,000
get the you know, first major ped o expose of Hollywood,

1700
01:30:45,039 --> 01:30:47,760
Open Secret. That was a huge deal, a lot of

1701
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:49,840
people talking about it, a lot of attention, a lot

1702
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:53,119
of buzz, and a lot of censorship and shutting down.

1703
01:30:53,279 --> 01:30:55,600
So you know, we know there's something big. Do you

1704
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:58,039
remember Open Secret when that was everybody's talking about that.

1705
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I don't think I ever actually saw it,

1706
01:31:03,039 --> 01:31:05,560
but I do remember it. What was the watch it?

1707
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 1: Because they go into you know, quite a few, you know,

1708
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,359
pretty pretty big name Hollywood people at the time, it's

1709
01:31:10,399 --> 01:31:11,159
it's worth watching.

1710
01:31:12,399 --> 01:31:13,279
Speaker 3: Maybe I did see it.

1711
01:31:13,319 --> 01:31:15,760
Speaker 1: Well, I mean they spent a lot of time on

1712
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:18,000
like Brian Singer and people like that.

1713
01:31:18,399 --> 01:31:20,720
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I saw I saw Open Secret. Well, wasn't

1714
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:21,680
there another one after that?

1715
01:31:22,039 --> 01:31:26,279
Speaker 1: There's one called it was about Rome called I think Spotlight.

1716
01:31:26,399 --> 01:31:31,720
But Spotlight was like liberal media made, so you know,

1717
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:34,520
I'm not saying that it's not telling the truth. But

1718
01:31:35,239 --> 01:31:37,920
the Catholics poop poo didn't din't pay attention because it's like, oh,

1719
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,319
this is being made by the you know, liberal Boston

1720
01:31:40,399 --> 01:31:42,960
media or whatever, so we don't have to pay attention

1721
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,760
to this. It's it's just liberal as if there's not

1722
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:48,720
actual like you know, SR going on to the Catholic Church.

1723
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:53,439
So so Spotlight didn't have as much of an effect

1724
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:56,640
as I think they hoped it would, but probably not

1725
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:59,479
many of these documentaries at all really did. I mean,

1726
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:03,880
most documentaries don't have a huge effect. I mean, people

1727
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,760
like you and I remember them and they impact us,

1728
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:09,000
but they don't change the world really, you know what

1729
01:32:09,039 --> 01:32:09,560
I mean.

1730
01:32:11,279 --> 01:32:15,199
Speaker 3: Well, there's should now documentaries do nothing, and I think

1731
01:32:15,239 --> 01:32:21,439
the reason noad No, yeah, no, it was there was

1732
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:24,560
a time when when there was less stuff on the Internet,

1733
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:28,359
when there was less video content. Now it's just you know,

1734
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:34,199
infinite you have infinite content. You know, there's infinitely multiplying,

1735
01:32:34,399 --> 01:32:38,399
and people make stuff just to make stuff, so there's

1736
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:42,239
no there's no artistry to making a video and posting

1737
01:32:42,319 --> 01:32:45,680
it on the Internet anymore, and even longer form videos

1738
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:48,000
like you know, twenty minute video essays or something that

1739
01:32:48,039 --> 01:32:50,279
some of these guys will make. There's still good stuff

1740
01:32:50,319 --> 01:32:54,199
out there, but if you want to be doing stuff

1741
01:32:54,239 --> 01:32:56,279
like that, you still have to be making one every

1742
01:32:56,279 --> 01:32:59,399
two weeks or one every month, so you don't have

1743
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:04,000
time to make you know, ninety minute or you know,

1744
01:33:04,079 --> 01:33:07,279
two and a half hour documentary like you would back

1745
01:33:07,319 --> 01:33:10,119
in the day. You know, back in the day, you

1746
01:33:10,159 --> 01:33:12,680
can make a documentary like that and then promote it

1747
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:15,560
for a year, and it would be relevant for a

1748
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,319
whole year. But with the way that the algorithms are

1749
01:33:18,319 --> 01:33:21,880
designed and the way that people's attention span has been

1750
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:25,479
fried by the algorithms, right, and the way that monetization

1751
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:30,039
is incentivized pumping out useless content, it's not worth it,

1752
01:33:30,119 --> 01:33:35,680
so you're better off. You can't spend time on projects

1753
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:38,359
like that anymore. It doesn't make sense monetarily, and it

1754
01:33:38,359 --> 01:33:41,199
doesn't make sense with the flow of information and with

1755
01:33:41,319 --> 01:33:45,960
the with the news cycle, right, like it's too fast now.

1756
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:53,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it's weird because everything has completely changed since

1757
01:33:53,159 --> 01:33:55,159
even the twenty tens. It is not at all like

1758
01:33:55,199 --> 01:33:58,800
it was. That's a really insightful point. A couple other

1759
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:02,079
documentaries that are were sticking out from the twenty tens

1760
01:34:02,079 --> 01:34:05,319
that were pretty important that I They may be earlier,

1761
01:34:05,399 --> 01:34:08,600
but I saw them in the twenty tens. Great documentary

1762
01:34:09,279 --> 01:34:11,800
light Bulb Conspiracy. It's a classic. Have you seen it?

1763
01:34:12,199 --> 01:34:14,239
Speaker 3: Oh I don't. I don't think I saw that one,

1764
01:34:14,279 --> 01:34:16,680
but it is I said about how light bulbs are

1765
01:34:17,199 --> 01:34:18,520
used to last forever.

1766
01:34:19,239 --> 01:34:24,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, essentially it's about planned obso lescens really really good documentary.

1767
01:34:24,079 --> 01:34:26,479
It's a classic. Everybody should see that one.

1768
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:31,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, for real, that's minds minds up man, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1769
01:34:32,039 --> 01:34:33,920
minds the man. Minds the Man was great. It was

1770
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,680
it was long. It was like four hours long, which

1771
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:38,760
I like that. I like that. You know when somebody's

1772
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:44,039
gonna put the time into making a documentary that's that's

1773
01:34:44,079 --> 01:34:46,840
really dense with information. I mean that was It was

1774
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:51,119
like a book in documentary form basically, which is appreciate that.

1775
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:54,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember we uh, we got invited to the premiere.

1776
01:34:54,119 --> 01:34:56,239
We were we were friends with Animalista at the time,

1777
01:34:56,479 --> 01:34:59,920
and went went to Austin and hung out with you

1778
01:35:00,039 --> 01:35:02,760
all the ballroom crew and went to the Almo draft

1779
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:05,279
House and watched the premiere. There had a lot of

1780
01:35:05,279 --> 01:35:08,159
fun and it was it was. It was great documentary.

1781
01:35:08,159 --> 01:35:13,119
A lot of great information. Also during this time period,

1782
01:35:14,039 --> 01:35:16,800
I remember this being a huge deal. Everybody talked about it.

1783
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:19,359
I didn't really, I didn't watch it. I didn't think

1784
01:35:19,399 --> 01:35:21,600
it was gonna be that interesting. But did you watch

1785
01:35:22,119 --> 01:35:26,640
Oliver Stone's America series where he contrasted America in the

1786
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:30,640
Soviet Union? This was a huge documentary series, maybe three parts.

1787
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:33,159
I remember everybody talking about this at the time. Did

1788
01:35:33,199 --> 01:35:33,760
you watch it?

1789
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:36,000
Speaker 3: No? No, I actually don't remember.

1790
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:36,119
Speaker 1: That.

1791
01:35:36,199 --> 01:35:39,399
Speaker 3: Last thing I saw from Stone was is the Putin interviews?

1792
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 1: There's that. But also twenty eighteen's Ukraine on Fire from

1793
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:46,039
all over Stones. Yeah, that was a documentary that was

1794
01:35:46,079 --> 01:35:46,560
a big one.

1795
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:49,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was good.

1796
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 1: Shifting away from that domain, the twenty twenty ten's also

1797
01:35:56,000 --> 01:36:00,960
saw the rise of I guess maybe the continueuation. Maybe

1798
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:04,640
this has kept Coast to Coast alive. But Missing four

1799
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:10,079
one one uh David David Polid's and the stories of

1800
01:36:10,119 --> 01:36:14,359
missing people from the National Parks, which is still going.

1801
01:36:14,479 --> 01:36:17,560
This is still going, in fact, uh, Missing for one

1802
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:20,760
one has multiple parts to the documentary. Now, if you

1803
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:25,560
go on the spooky conspiracy side of YouTube, uh, there

1804
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:30,880
are channels with millions of subscribers now covering uh Missing

1805
01:36:31,279 --> 01:36:34,840
four one one type stuff separate from the original documentary.

1806
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 3: But polity, it feels almost nostalgic. I mean it's creepy.

1807
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:43,000
It's more I don't like that that's happening. But as

1808
01:36:43,039 --> 01:36:45,600
far as just it reminds me of you know when

1809
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:47,039
when I was a kid and you go to the

1810
01:36:47,079 --> 01:36:49,520
library and you get the weird you get the weird

1811
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:54,199
cryptid books you start reading about Bigfoot and lochness and aliens,

1812
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:57,520
alien abductions on. It reminds me of those times.

1813
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:03,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, well exactly, it's it's no I was just gonna

1814
01:37:03,359 --> 01:37:06,520
say that that missing four one one is really the

1815
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:13,119
last remaining popular dome like fun conspiracy domain. And like

1816
01:37:13,159 --> 01:37:14,600
you said, I don't mean in the sense of it's

1817
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:18,000
fun to talk about people dying. But what we think

1818
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:21,680
of is like coast to coast type stuff, the entertaining

1819
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:24,640
sphere of so called conspiracy radio and media.

1820
01:37:25,399 --> 01:37:27,640
Speaker 3: That is right, that's stuff that's not like you're gonna

1821
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:30,800
be you're gonna get murdered, right, and you're being poisoned stuff.

1822
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:33,000
It's more like light. It's not directly effect.

1823
01:37:33,039 --> 01:37:35,560
Speaker 1: It's more entertainment, right, I mean, you know, coast to

1824
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:39,199
coast is always essentially entertainment, you know, crazy people calling

1825
01:37:39,239 --> 01:37:42,680
in about time traveling and this kind of stuff, and

1826
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:48,159
the remaining I guess keeper of the flame of that

1827
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:52,239
is the missing four one one stuff which probably dominates

1828
01:37:52,279 --> 01:37:54,119
coast to coast. I haven't listened to that years, but

1829
01:37:56,920 --> 01:38:00,840
let's see. There's also things like Room two thirty seven

1830
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:03,760
that was a big popular documentary in the twenty tens,

1831
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:07,319
Jay Wiedner other people with their theories of the shining

1832
01:38:09,439 --> 01:38:12,760
very popular in the alternative media conspiracy sphere of things.

1833
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:16,239
Journeyman Pictures in the twenty tens puts out quite a

1834
01:38:16,279 --> 01:38:20,479
few documentaries. I remember watching documentaries on Ukraine when they

1835
01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:24,119
had the coup my don Ku. I remember watching Journeyman

1836
01:38:24,199 --> 01:38:30,039
picture documentaries on Serbia other places where there had been

1837
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:34,479
you know, Western covert action. Did you ever watch any

1838
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:37,000
Journeyman picture stuff? Yeah?

1839
01:38:37,039 --> 01:38:41,279
Speaker 3: I think so. I think so. Can you name any.

1840
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:42,199
Speaker 1: Well, like if you were, if you were, you know,

1841
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:44,920
follow us a twenty first century? Why are you know? Patrick?

1842
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:47,960
For years? For ten years now really has been every

1843
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:51,760
Sunday he was He's put up some documentary. So over

1844
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:54,319
the last ten years, many of those documentaries were, you know,

1845
01:38:54,399 --> 01:38:55,920
Journeyman pictures.

1846
01:38:56,159 --> 01:38:58,840
Speaker 3: The shorter form though, right like they are, they're.

1847
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:00,520
Speaker 1: Like twenty thirty minute.

1848
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:03,399
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. Okay, I've definitely seen quite a few

1849
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:10,399
of them. Yeah, you know, something that comes to mind too. Yeah.

1850
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:13,880
As far as just documentaries, one of my favorite ones,

1851
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:17,119
I told you this earlier before the show. One of

1852
01:39:17,119 --> 01:39:21,920
my favorite documentaries, there's nothing to do with with conspiracy

1853
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:25,079
or anything, was Werner Hertzog's Grizzly Man.

1854
01:39:26,199 --> 01:39:30,399
Speaker 1: Actually, I'm glad you mentioned it. I have not seen it,

1855
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:32,920
but when I was looking up, you know, most popular

1856
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:35,439
documentaries of the last you know, three decades, that one

1857
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:36,520
comes up in the top five.

1858
01:39:39,359 --> 01:39:41,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. It was such it was just so

1859
01:39:41,079 --> 01:39:45,600
well done. It's such a like touching creepy. I don't know,

1860
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:47,920
it's just it's great. It's one that sticks with you.

1861
01:39:49,079 --> 01:39:51,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to watch it, kind of. I guess

1862
01:39:51,039 --> 01:39:53,279
it's kind of embarrassing.

1863
01:39:53,359 --> 01:39:55,000
Speaker 3: Gaming's gotta she's probably seen it.

1864
01:39:55,199 --> 01:39:57,479
Speaker 1: She has. Yeah, I'm like the only person that I've

1865
01:39:57,560 --> 01:40:00,439
never seen that, and I've never seen Breaking Atam, Like

1866
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:02,479
the one person that's never seen either of.

1867
01:40:02,399 --> 01:40:05,159
Speaker 3: These Breaking That kind of sucks. Isn't that worth watching?

1868
01:40:05,199 --> 01:40:11,439
Speaker 1: Behold on that topic, though, of twenty tens, we also

1869
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:15,720
get this turn towards the New Age, and so documentary

1870
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:18,479
films begin to take pretty consistent I mean they'd always

1871
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:21,760
been kind of left but even in the alt media sphere,

1872
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:25,840
we get, for example, the Thrive documentary twenty twelve, Rive

1873
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:28,439
comes out. I looked it up. It's still got seventeen

1874
01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:32,079
million views on YouTube. This this goofy new age documentary,

1875
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:36,279
kind of like twenty twelve's version of Zeitgeist is. I

1876
01:40:36,279 --> 01:40:39,159
guess one way you could say what Thrived is. There

1877
01:40:39,199 --> 01:40:41,880
was another one too that came out and I forget

1878
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:44,039
the name of it, but around the twenty mid mid

1879
01:40:44,079 --> 01:40:47,199
twenty twenty tens, and it was about the occult and

1880
01:40:47,239 --> 01:40:50,560
it was something like you know, the Controllers or the

1881
01:40:51,239 --> 01:40:56,159
something like that. It was really popular, did you Oh?

1882
01:40:56,239 --> 01:40:58,840
And then one of the biggest normy documentaries around this

1883
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:00,800
time is What the do We Know?

1884
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:03,279
Speaker 3: Oh?

1885
01:41:03,359 --> 01:41:09,119
Speaker 1: Man, I remember that Quantum Consciousness? Oh? Is it that?

1886
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:11,880
I thought it was twenty ten? Let me say, I

1887
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:14,800
thought it was late two thousands. Let's see, I could.

1888
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:19,640
Speaker 3: I hated that. That was so annoying, man. The editing style,

1889
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:25,119
the narrator, the like yoga chick vibe. It was so bad,

1890
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:27,279
but there was skits in it too. It wasn't like

1891
01:41:27,319 --> 01:41:28,560
half of it acted at.

1892
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:31,319
Speaker 1: It's you're right, it's actually two thousand and four. I

1893
01:41:31,359 --> 01:41:33,640
probably just didn't see it until I remember watching it

1894
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:37,319
in two thousand and seven or eight, and yeah, it's

1895
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:41,920
really it's it's it's the you know, initial introducing people

1896
01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:47,920
to quantum thought and quantum New Age crap through documentary style.

1897
01:41:48,039 --> 01:41:50,840
You get the same type of stuff with Zeigeisten Thrive,

1898
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:54,960
So you know, some of these the documentary start to

1899
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:59,039
go in this direction. Also at this time there was

1900
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:04,319
the popularity of will actually maybe even go back to

1901
01:42:04,399 --> 01:42:07,640
the nineties. HBO has always kind of on the side,

1902
01:42:08,239 --> 01:42:10,840
you know, every now and then made these popular documentaries

1903
01:42:11,119 --> 01:42:15,000
about all kinds of things, including cults. Did you ever

1904
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:17,439
see newburg Sting. That's one of the probably one of

1905
01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:20,880
the most relevant of the HBO documentaries because it's all

1906
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:25,479
about how they entrapped these sort of stupid Muslims. Now,

1907
01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:28,479
everybody should watch newburg Sting. It's a classic. It's it's

1908
01:42:28,479 --> 01:42:31,479
one of those HBO conspiracy documentaries.

1909
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:36,600
Speaker 3: It's surprising that they would that HBO would actually put

1910
01:42:36,640 --> 01:42:37,560
that on television.

1911
01:42:39,079 --> 01:42:45,880
Speaker 1: It was surprising as we get into the twenty tens

1912
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:50,920
in the normy sphere, there are this one Matt could

1913
01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:54,720
overlap a little bit. You've got Snowden twenty fourteen, the

1914
01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:59,079
Citizen for documentary. That's a big deal. Snowden was huge

1915
01:42:59,159 --> 01:43:02,239
at this time. Ever, he's talking about Snowden. You know,

1916
01:43:02,319 --> 01:43:11,000
the prism Assiste surveillance, a keyword system. You know, are

1917
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:14,199
you are you on the show or you just wandering

1918
01:43:14,199 --> 01:43:18,159
away like Biden. It's like you're like, wander off.

1919
01:43:19,079 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's something shining over there. Sorry.

1920
01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:27,800
Speaker 1: Did you watch any of the Wiki leaks era stuff,

1921
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:31,640
the Snowden era documentaries of the twenty tens?

1922
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:35,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean I don't remember. I

1923
01:43:35,399 --> 01:43:38,439
couldn't name any of them. I couldn't name a single one.

1924
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:39,399
Do you remember.

1925
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:42,279
Speaker 1: Citizen four is the Snowden documentary from twenty I.

1926
01:43:42,239 --> 01:43:47,800
Speaker 3: Don't think that's there was There was a Dint Stone

1927
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:49,800
make a feature film about.

1928
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:54,000
Speaker 1: Yes, he did the Messenger or is that about the

1929
01:43:54,119 --> 01:43:55,840
That might be about the journalists, But there is a

1930
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:58,640
you're right, there is a Snowden film by Oliverstone. But

1931
01:44:00,279 --> 01:44:03,640
did you watch any of the economics documentaries that got

1932
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:05,600
to be really popular? After the two thousand and eight

1933
01:44:06,039 --> 01:44:10,119
housing collapse, like Inside Job and Too Big to Fail,

1934
01:44:10,159 --> 01:44:10,920
those were huge.

1935
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:16,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, definitely. Well, I remember the whole occupy thing

1936
01:44:16,279 --> 01:44:19,279
got really big in two thousand and seven eight that

1937
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:23,079
started on my campus at you see Santa Cruz, So

1938
01:44:23,119 --> 01:44:27,439
that was that was weird. Yeah. Yeah, they took over

1939
01:44:27,479 --> 01:44:30,640
the like the what's it called? I forget what office

1940
01:44:31,039 --> 01:44:33,560
it was, but I think this is two thousand and

1941
01:44:34,039 --> 01:44:36,319
it's two thousand and eight or was it two thousand

1942
01:44:36,319 --> 01:44:39,560
and nine, But I remember because at the time I

1943
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:43,159
was also like there were all these documentaries like, uh,

1944
01:44:43,399 --> 01:44:46,079
I don't think the CHEMTRAI the Major Comtrail wanted to

1945
01:44:46,079 --> 01:44:49,159
come out yet the what in the world are they spraying?

1946
01:44:49,239 --> 01:44:52,359
That might have been like two thousand and nine, but

1947
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:55,039
there were some of these like Carnacom. You remember the

1948
01:44:55,119 --> 01:44:56,880
Carnacom documentary about.

1949
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:58,840
Speaker 1: Yes Cliff Carnacom.

1950
01:44:58,960 --> 01:44:59,119
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1951
01:44:59,159 --> 01:45:01,239
Speaker 1: I was going to talk about some of those because

1952
01:45:01,279 --> 01:45:06,199
those are twenty ten era as well. Using the code language,

1953
01:45:06,319 --> 01:45:09,159
you know, this would be like what on earth are

1954
01:45:09,199 --> 01:45:15,039
they shooting into the atmosphere? And then the other one

1955
01:45:16,479 --> 01:45:19,960
Sea Trails, The Secret War, which was a great documentary.

1956
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:21,920
Those still hold up by the way.

1957
01:45:23,119 --> 01:45:26,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was really freaked out in California at the time.

1958
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:28,600
It was a lot of a lot of that was

1959
01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:31,279
happening right Like there was every day you would wake

1960
01:45:31,359 --> 01:45:34,000
up and it would just be crisscross across the sky

1961
01:45:34,119 --> 01:45:37,640
and it was so blatant, and you know, I was

1962
01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:40,560
super freaked out about that. I remember during the occupy stuff,

1963
01:45:41,119 --> 01:45:45,600
all these kids had occupied the I forget what the

1964
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:48,079
building was called. It was like the staff building at

1965
01:45:48,159 --> 01:45:51,000
U See Santa Cruz, and I remember going in there

1966
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:54,239
and just you know, they're all camping in there and

1967
01:45:54,279 --> 01:45:56,119
they think they're changing the world, but they're all they're

1968
01:45:56,119 --> 01:45:59,439
all they want is free stuff tuition basically.

1969
01:46:00,039 --> 01:46:02,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll never forget like the the videos where Peter

1970
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:06,720
Schiff goes down on Occupy Wall Street and starts debating

1971
01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:11,760
with them, you know, like gold, Uh, we're gonna need

1972
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:13,720
to go back to a gold based currency, and he's

1973
01:46:13,800 --> 01:46:18,039
arguing with like these you know wook wooks with dreads

1974
01:46:18,079 --> 01:46:20,279
on the street. It was it was just a goofy time.

1975
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:23,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I remember going in there and just yelling

1976
01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:26,079
at them, like, look up at the sky, you guys

1977
01:46:26,119 --> 01:46:29,920
are protesting and they're freaking spring you with Boison, and

1978
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:32,479
they all thought I was like a schizo person because

1979
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:35,840
I was. Yeah, I was like the alone. It was

1980
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:38,800
after class, and I just like, I'm so done with this,

1981
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:40,760
so so mad. I was looking up at this guy

1982
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:43,000
and I'd been like doing all this research and reading

1983
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:43,880
them about all this stuff.

1984
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:48,319
Speaker 1: And well, it's funny because you know, Occupy Wall Street

1985
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:52,039
was kind of the left answer to Tea Party, right.

1986
01:46:52,039 --> 01:46:54,319
I remember the rise of the Tea Party and the

1987
01:46:54,399 --> 01:46:58,000
Ron Paul Rampaul sphere and there used to be Tea

1988
01:46:58,039 --> 01:47:02,359
Party meetups and all this, and and then the left had.

1989
01:47:02,279 --> 01:47:06,479
Speaker 3: Their year after that, like the Occupy started.

1990
01:47:06,199 --> 01:47:08,359
Speaker 1: And it might have been first. I thought Occupy was

1991
01:47:08,359 --> 01:47:09,439
just supposed to be the left.

1992
01:47:10,119 --> 01:47:12,720
Speaker 3: I think the Tea Party, if I remember correctly, the

1993
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:14,760
Tea Party was in reaction to that. Like, I think

1994
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:17,399
you're right, but it was the Tea Party was like

1995
01:47:17,439 --> 01:47:20,560
there was nothing for the conservative types. There was just

1996
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:21,800
the leftews that occupy.

1997
01:47:27,119 --> 01:47:29,439
Speaker 1: That's a good that's a really interesting question. Yeah, I

1998
01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:30,880
think you're probably I think you're right about that. I

1999
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:32,960
think it was the other way around.

2000
01:47:33,239 --> 01:47:37,640
Speaker 3: Because Tea Party was Obama. Obama Obama y Tea Party.

2001
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:41,479
Speaker 1: You're right, Tea Party is formed in opposition to Obama

2002
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:44,479
in twenty ten, so you're right, this is post occupy,

2003
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:47,640
that's correct. And that's when Tea.

2004
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:51,319
Speaker 3: Party movement happened before twenty ten too. I think it's well,

2005
01:47:51,399 --> 01:47:54,359
non no, maybe it was twenty ten, but I thought,

2006
01:47:54,399 --> 01:47:56,760
I think the movement itself started and then there actually

2007
01:47:56,840 --> 01:47:59,520
became some sort of a party, the Tea Party.

2008
01:48:00,119 --> 01:48:03,600
Speaker 1: But it was it was it was like a boomer libertarian,

2009
01:48:04,239 --> 01:48:07,439
you know thing, and they didn't like the rough Republicans.

2010
01:48:07,439 --> 01:48:12,199
That's actually probably that's the origins of you know, today's

2011
01:48:12,239 --> 01:48:14,880
critique of Rhino. When you hear that, you know, when

2012
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:17,359
you hear that term rhino, that's kind of coming out

2013
01:48:17,399 --> 01:48:20,359
of that era of the Tea Party and trying to

2014
01:48:20,359 --> 01:48:23,239
wake people up to the to the duopoly, the problems

2015
01:48:23,239 --> 01:48:27,479
of the two party system. But the reason.

2016
01:48:29,159 --> 01:48:32,000
Speaker 3: Was it was it wasn't even Ron Paul stuff. It

2017
01:48:32,079 --> 01:48:33,279
was like the Tea Party.

2018
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:36,680
Speaker 1: It started with Ron Paul. And then what happened was

2019
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:39,439
I remember this vividly because I was I was, I

2020
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:41,920
used to go to Tea Party stuff. Then what happened

2021
01:48:42,039 --> 01:48:45,880
was the neocons started coming in and it was like

2022
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:48,800
I forget who some of the first neocons were that

2023
01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:51,079
united themselves to the Tea Party and they started showing

2024
01:48:51,159 --> 01:48:53,840
up and speaking and they would get booed because they

2025
01:48:54,039 --> 01:48:56,439
we don't want neocons at our thing. And then Sarah

2026
01:48:56,520 --> 01:48:59,239
Palin united herself to the Tea Party, and that's when

2027
01:48:59,239 --> 01:49:01,760
everybody kind of like the Tea Party had been completely

2028
01:49:02,159 --> 01:49:03,199
sort of co opted.

2029
01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:07,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just always I mean, at that time I

2030
01:49:07,640 --> 01:49:10,920
perceived it as very boomer and naive, but I was

2031
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:14,279
just probably a little bit more extremist, and I mean

2032
01:49:14,319 --> 01:49:20,439
I I wasn't a libertarian, but at least uh, you know,

2033
01:49:20,479 --> 01:49:24,359
at that time, I definitely resonated more with like the

2034
01:49:24,439 --> 01:49:27,399
libertarian stuff. And then we you know, we kind of

2035
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:29,600
kind of got involved with the Ron Paul thing and

2036
01:49:30,079 --> 01:49:34,119
saw how that was railroaded by the Republican. Yeah.

2037
01:49:34,159 --> 01:49:36,319
Speaker 1: I mean people have to understand, like at this time,

2038
01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:40,800
there is the only thing that exists as conservative is uh,

2039
01:49:41,439 --> 01:49:44,840
you know, You've got like paleocon Pat McKinnon types and

2040
01:49:44,880 --> 01:49:50,760
like Laura Ingram and and Colter, and then you've got

2041
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:56,560
the Ron Paul Rand Paul, Alex Jones libertarian and that's

2042
01:49:56,680 --> 01:49:59,119
that was really your only options there. There weren't you know,

2043
01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:02,920
no sustaining as these other right winging dissident right or whatever.

2044
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:03,880
None of that existed.

2045
01:50:04,039 --> 01:50:06,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh no, it didn't exist, And there wasn't a

2046
01:50:06,319 --> 01:50:10,840
lot of the extreme. Like the extreme people were Libertarians

2047
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:13,159
that were kind of just orbiting the Ron Paul stuff.

2048
01:50:13,199 --> 01:50:15,439
But then they all had their own, their own fringe

2049
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:20,920
kind of uh niche ideas, but then kind of coalesced

2050
01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:23,520
around Ron Paul because it was like, well, you know,

2051
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:25,159
f the Fed, we got to get rid of that.

2052
01:50:25,279 --> 01:50:27,359
You know, let's let's at least, you know, unite for

2053
01:50:27,399 --> 01:50:31,399
a common cause. But I think the you know, the

2054
01:50:31,399 --> 01:50:35,439
the infiltration and the shattering of that was pretty it

2055
01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:37,880
was pretty brutal, you know, and then what what they

2056
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:40,880
did to Ron Paul at the primary, it was obvious

2057
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:43,880
and everybody lost the hope in getting any sort of

2058
01:50:44,239 --> 01:50:47,159
work done in the Republican Party until you know, Trump

2059
01:50:47,199 --> 01:50:50,680
came came and picked up on that. I mean, by

2060
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:53,840
that time, the wave was so big that normal people

2061
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:57,600
really like most normal people realized that there were huge problems.

2062
01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:00,479
Speaker 1: I think you can make the argument that they're without

2063
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:03,399
Ron Paul and Alex Jones, there never would have been Trump.

2064
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:07,039
Speaker 3: They wouldn't know, that would not have happened. It couldn't

2065
01:51:07,039 --> 01:51:07,279
have been.

2066
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you needed that, you know, decade and a half

2067
01:51:13,079 --> 01:51:16,680
of preparing the ground swell for this kind of you know,

2068
01:51:17,279 --> 01:51:20,239
bigger level change. And it's obviously it's not perfect, it's not,

2069
01:51:20,399 --> 01:51:23,760
but it's the first real shift in the right direction

2070
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:27,439
I think we've seen at the scale and forever. And

2071
01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:30,159
it's just interesting that it's you know, it's it's now

2072
01:51:30,199 --> 01:51:33,119
in the era when documentaries don't exist anymore, that they

2073
01:51:33,159 --> 01:51:36,640
don't matter. Nobody cares about documentaries. I don't remember the

2074
01:51:36,760 --> 01:51:39,199
last documentary I remember seeing that I thought was really good.

2075
01:51:39,279 --> 01:51:40,960
I mean, I like The Missing for one one, but

2076
01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:46,560
it was actually the Netflix documentary on Mary Terry's book

2077
01:51:46,920 --> 01:51:50,279
Ultimate Evil and Son of Sam. I think most people

2078
01:51:50,439 --> 01:51:53,359
thought that was a really good documentary series. Did you

2079
01:51:53,359 --> 01:51:55,119
watch that? And you and I watched The Oh Show?

2080
01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:58,640
That was really good. But that's like twenty eighteen. Oh yeah,

2081
01:51:58,720 --> 01:52:01,840
that was great, Wild Wild Country. That's it.

2082
01:52:02,039 --> 01:52:04,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was really good.

2083
01:52:04,399 --> 01:52:07,640
Speaker 1: That was good. Those were good twenty ten era documentaries.

2084
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:09,319
Holy hell, was a really good thing.

2085
01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:12,119
Speaker 3: You got you got the past list here, you're so prepped.

2086
01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I listed them all I remember, Holy hell, that

2087
01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:15,600
was a great documentary.

2088
01:52:16,640 --> 01:52:17,119
Speaker 3: Look good.

2089
01:52:17,279 --> 01:52:20,039
Speaker 1: The Source Family documentary is really so. There's a good

2090
01:52:20,079 --> 01:52:22,199
cult documentaries that were made in the twenty tens.

2091
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:26,359
Speaker 3: Documentaries are always good that we need more cult documentaries,

2092
01:52:26,359 --> 01:52:28,760
but they make like really corny ones. Now, remember the

2093
01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:31,479
last one we watched it was about the uh.

2094
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:36,199
Speaker 1: I watched that one about the the dance cult, the

2095
01:52:36,239 --> 01:52:41,079
seven m Dance Cult on TikTok was pretty wild. Watched

2096
01:52:41,119 --> 01:52:44,000
twin Flame, watched the whole Till the.

2097
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:46,560
Speaker 3: Till Swan boring these days?

2098
01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:49,199
Speaker 1: Well, the Cult the till Swan documentary was was okay,

2099
01:52:49,239 --> 01:52:49,920
it was pretty good.

2100
01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:54,000
Speaker 3: She's kind of boring too though, She's just like, I'm

2101
01:52:54,079 --> 01:52:57,920
kind of the bitch bit cult. I don't know.

2102
01:52:58,720 --> 01:53:02,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could have been shorter, uh than it was.

2103
01:53:02,720 --> 01:53:09,079
It was a little too long that Hulu documentary tell

2104
01:53:09,159 --> 01:53:11,880
us about Uh oh, I forgot. This is a huge

2105
01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:14,760
one that had a huge impact twenty ten's going clear.

2106
01:53:15,359 --> 01:53:19,920
This was a massive blow to scientology. Millions and millions

2107
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:23,399
of people saw this and saw how crazy scientology is.

2108
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:26,359
I think that was a huge one. Remember that.

2109
01:53:28,439 --> 01:53:30,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I ever watched it. I might

2110
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:31,279
have seen it, but.

2111
01:53:31,279 --> 01:53:33,800
Speaker 1: Oh, man, it's it's you should watch it. It's it's

2112
01:53:34,199 --> 01:53:36,560
especially where they go into like the compounds of what

2113
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:38,520
happens at the common and that part's all crazy.

2114
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:43,399
Speaker 3: I remember that, does any does he talk to what's

2115
01:53:43,439 --> 01:53:47,680
his name he tries to Does he tried to interview

2116
01:53:48,279 --> 01:53:49,560
Cavendish or whatever?

2117
01:53:50,399 --> 01:53:57,920
Speaker 1: Uh Miskavag, Richard Miskovic, Miskage talk show hosts or something?

2118
01:53:58,039 --> 01:54:01,000
Uh No, I think everybody turns them down. Nobody gives

2119
01:54:01,039 --> 01:54:03,600
any I don't. I mean it's been I haven't seen

2120
01:54:03,680 --> 01:54:05,439
going clear since it came out, but I remember it

2121
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:09,359
being really you know, it's like this this destroys scientology.

2122
01:54:11,119 --> 01:54:11,800
Speaker 3: Had something to do.

2123
01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:13,119
Speaker 1: I thinks she had a roll with that, and then

2124
01:54:13,119 --> 01:54:15,920
that's what led to her. You know, she went on Rogan.

2125
01:54:16,079 --> 01:54:18,119
Rogan was talking about it a lot. That made it

2126
01:54:18,159 --> 01:54:24,439
really popular. Oh, now, going into the domain of propaganda,

2127
01:54:25,039 --> 01:54:28,479
one of the worst disaster examples of propaganda. Of course,

2128
01:54:28,479 --> 01:54:30,640
shout out to John Adams for reminding me of this,

2129
01:54:31,239 --> 01:54:33,479
But it makes perfect sense because we've been talking about

2130
01:54:33,479 --> 01:54:37,439
it in regards to the election. The Cony twenty twelve fiasco. Now,

2131
01:54:37,640 --> 01:54:41,640
I watched all of that. I watched all this firsthand

2132
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:46,000
because This was one of the clearest examples of overt

2133
01:54:47,079 --> 01:54:52,239
State Department propaganda documentary and Alex covered it, you know,

2134
01:54:52,279 --> 01:54:54,920
in detail, exposing it at the time. And the guy

2135
01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:57,560
that was behind this push, that Jason guy, had a

2136
01:54:57,600 --> 01:55:02,399
mental breakdown in in the midst of this push for

2137
01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:05,199
the cover for Africam to go in and you know,

2138
01:55:05,279 --> 01:55:09,479
take resources. This whole point of the Coney fiasco, This

2139
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:13,079
was basically pushed by a lot of evangelical groups. I

2140
01:55:13,119 --> 01:55:16,640
remember my on my university campus. I remember ripping down

2141
01:55:16,680 --> 01:55:20,560
all the Coney posters that the evangelical groups are putting up.

2142
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:24,479
So if you guys are wondering, you know, twelve years later,

2143
01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:26,439
that was me. I was the one pulling down all

2144
01:55:26,439 --> 01:55:29,399
the Coney posters every night as you put them up.

2145
01:55:29,960 --> 01:55:32,880
And it may be mad because the evangelical groups were

2146
01:55:32,920 --> 01:55:38,520
all one percent just blindly supporting the idea that we

2147
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:42,319
need to go in with the military to find Joseph Coney,

2148
01:55:42,840 --> 01:55:44,359
and I just thought I was stupid all this one.

2149
01:55:44,439 --> 01:55:46,039
This really woke me up to a lot of the

2150
01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:51,319
way NGO's and the way that the evangelical sphere especially

2151
01:55:52,079 --> 01:55:54,720
can be duped by the Pentagon in the State Department

2152
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:59,399
as you know, really pushing soft power in their idiocy

2153
01:56:00,439 --> 01:56:02,119
is to be so stupid and naive is to think

2154
01:56:02,159 --> 01:56:05,640
that suddenly the US government cares about finding this random

2155
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:10,119
warlord suddenly in twenty twelve, as if it's not a

2156
01:56:10,119 --> 01:56:14,720
cover for africom Right, which is Pentagon directives and operations

2157
01:56:15,119 --> 01:56:17,079
to find the resources in Africa. That was what it

2158
01:56:17,079 --> 01:56:21,000
was all about. And again, but to come back to

2159
01:56:21,039 --> 01:56:23,880
the main point of the documentary was being pushed heavily everywhere,

2160
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:27,760
especially on universities and by Christians. Christian evangelic groups were

2161
01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:31,399
pushing this County twenty twelve nonsense like massively because the

2162
01:56:31,399 --> 01:56:34,760
Pentagon told him to. And Alex was one of the

2163
01:56:34,840 --> 01:56:38,720
key figures really trying to bust open this propaganda. And

2164
01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:41,279
he didn't even have to because the main guy that

2165
01:56:41,399 --> 01:56:43,960
was a frontispiece for all this, this young guy named

2166
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:46,720
Jason Something that was kind of doing the media push

2167
01:56:46,760 --> 01:56:50,920
and making the documentary, had a gigantic public mental breakdown

2168
01:56:51,079 --> 01:56:55,439
I think in La or at San Francisco, stripped down

2169
01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:59,439
naked and ran out into public and had a mental breakdown.

2170
01:56:59,479 --> 01:57:02,800
Maybe he was on shrooms something like that, and that

2171
01:57:02,920 --> 01:57:06,640
effectively destroyed the entire Cony twenty twelve syop. It was

2172
01:57:06,680 --> 01:57:08,199
pretty wild to watch that happen.

2173
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:11,319
Speaker 3: Sounds pretty base.

2174
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:13,800
Speaker 1: Did you remember that the Jason guy.

2175
01:57:13,720 --> 01:57:16,359
Speaker 3: Go for sure? I remember that I never watched the documentary.

2176
01:57:16,399 --> 01:57:18,920
I remember thinking, why is this everywhere? Why is everyone

2177
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:22,479
tell me watch this super documentary? And because everyone's telling

2178
01:57:22,479 --> 01:57:24,680
me to watch this, there's no way I'm watching it.

2179
01:57:24,760 --> 01:57:27,319
So yeah, I just I just kind of waited it

2180
01:57:27,359 --> 01:57:29,079
out and I was like, okay, yeah, it was a

2181
01:57:29,119 --> 01:57:30,039
syop of course.

2182
01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:36,000
Speaker 1: And then coming up into more modern times in recent years,

2183
01:57:36,119 --> 01:57:38,720
twenty I want to say this is about twenty nineteen,

2184
01:57:39,079 --> 01:57:44,680
maybe twenty twenty. The infamous Black Hebrew Israelite a documentary

2185
01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:48,680
going around that all of the black bros and NFL

2186
01:57:48,840 --> 01:57:51,840
and rap people and NBA guys are pushing, which caused

2187
01:57:51,880 --> 01:57:55,159
a huge stir because it claims, of course that blacks

2188
01:57:55,199 --> 01:57:59,760
are the true Israelites. It becomes labeled an anti Semitic

2189
01:58:00,039 --> 01:58:03,479
documentary and whoever that basketball Remember the when the NBA

2190
01:58:03,520 --> 01:58:06,439
guy shared it and he had to apologize because he

2191
01:58:06,520 --> 01:58:09,239
shared the the b h I documentary. One of the

2192
01:58:09,239 --> 01:58:14,199
big NBA people, Kyrie Irving, Yes, exactly, thank you.

2193
01:58:14,359 --> 01:58:17,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that was before they made before Kanye.

2194
01:58:19,520 --> 01:58:21,720
Kanye was pretty upset about that. He kept talking about,

2195
01:58:21,720 --> 01:58:24,279
look what they did the Kyrie. They did the Kyrie.

2196
01:58:24,279 --> 01:58:26,880
And then there was also around the same time, wasn't it.

2197
01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:30,800
I don't It's not what is that guy's name? I

2198
01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:33,359
want to say, Aaron Carter's not Aaron Carter, Like it's

2199
01:58:33,399 --> 01:58:34,920
not Lil bow wow. But it was like that one

2200
01:58:34,960 --> 01:58:37,600
of those young rapper guys, a little like a little black.

2201
01:58:38,159 --> 01:58:40,880
On his podcast, he said something about, you know, the

2202
01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:46,119
the Chosens and who was it? And they made him,

2203
01:58:46,159 --> 01:58:51,520
they made him publicly apologize and he did he.

2204
01:58:51,640 --> 01:58:57,000
Speaker 1: Anyways podcast and and Nick Cannon, remember there.

2205
01:58:56,920 --> 01:59:02,279
Speaker 8: Was that we was the you know, Louise, the real Jews,

2206
01:59:02,319 --> 01:59:04,960
And and then I think he tried to double down

2207
01:59:05,000 --> 01:59:07,039
a little bit and say nine and I an't apologize.

2208
01:59:07,039 --> 01:59:09,399
Speaker 3: And then a few weeks later he's like, I'm here

2209
01:59:09,439 --> 01:59:11,960
with Rabbi Schmooie. He's so cool looking.

2210
01:59:12,119 --> 01:59:17,000
Speaker 8: I'm here with Rabbi Schmooley to promote his his lovely business.

2211
01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:21,359
Speaker 3: He needed like a whole, a whole apology tour. And

2212
01:59:21,399 --> 01:59:23,239
like I said, what I said was so horrible. I

2213
01:59:23,239 --> 01:59:26,479
can't believe it. I'm so sorry. I love the real,

2214
01:59:26,760 --> 01:59:29,560
the real.

2215
01:59:28,680 --> 01:59:32,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh uh. The funny thing is that this is,

2216
01:59:32,800 --> 01:59:35,000
like you said, it goes back earlier. I think the

2217
01:59:35,039 --> 01:59:39,479
documentary is a little bit older because this Black Keeper

2218
01:59:39,600 --> 01:59:42,399
Israelite stuff had made in some way made its way

2219
01:59:42,439 --> 01:59:46,720
over to uh yay in some degree ice Cube, uh

2220
01:59:46,760 --> 01:59:48,880
and a lot of the other you know, popular famous

2221
01:59:48,880 --> 01:59:51,760
black people had sort of begun.

2222
01:59:53,439 --> 01:59:57,239
Speaker 3: They were those communities that's kind of like their thing,

2223
01:59:57,439 --> 02:00:00,359
you know, they've had their own little version of It's

2224
02:00:00,399 --> 02:00:07,359
actually more it's more long lasting and more useful, it seems,

2225
02:00:07,399 --> 02:00:10,920
than even the serpent seed stuff. It's basically the same thing.

2226
02:00:11,439 --> 02:00:14,600
It's the serpent seed, you know, wide identity stuff, but

2227
02:00:14,720 --> 02:00:17,279
for black dudes, and that's been around for a while.

2228
02:00:17,279 --> 02:00:21,640
I mean it goes back like Nation of Islam, the

2229
02:00:21,800 --> 02:00:24,560
five Percent Nation, which is kind of this offshoot of

2230
02:00:24,840 --> 02:00:28,479
Nation of Islam stuff. Yes, they all have similar ideologies

2231
02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:33,640
and similar structures to their organizations and then really similar

2232
02:00:33,680 --> 02:00:35,560
fruits that kind of yield some Yes, and.

2233
02:00:36,600 --> 02:00:40,640
Speaker 1: This ties into also, I believe even the domain of

2234
02:00:40,760 --> 02:00:46,000
like jay Z and the whole idea of like Hova.

2235
02:00:46,159 --> 02:00:50,039
In that period jay Z had gotten into and have

2236
02:00:50,079 --> 02:00:53,840
been influenced by Nation of Islam stuff, so like Feracon

2237
02:00:54,039 --> 02:00:54,720
stuff at that.

2238
02:00:54,720 --> 02:00:58,840
Speaker 3: Point, I think it was even more five percent type

2239
02:00:58,880 --> 02:00:59,760
stuff probably.

2240
02:00:59,560 --> 02:01:03,159
Speaker 1: Too, isn't that But isn't that part of Nation of Islam?

2241
02:01:03,279 --> 02:01:05,439
That's the business side of Well, it's like.

2242
02:01:05,399 --> 02:01:10,479
Speaker 3: This weird offshoot. It'd be fun to do a stream

2243
02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:12,000
just on all that stuff, because I mean, the Wu

2244
02:01:12,039 --> 02:01:14,359
Tang guys are really into the same stuff. In New

2245
02:01:14,439 --> 02:01:16,439
York is a really good point in the East Coast,

2246
02:01:16,880 --> 02:01:20,479
really big in New York and among like it. In

2247
02:01:20,520 --> 02:01:22,920
the seventies, a lot of these kind of gang guys

2248
02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:28,439
and community organizer types real into that stuff, you know,

2249
02:01:28,560 --> 02:01:33,279
like black panther types flirted with some of those ideology.

2250
02:01:33,359 --> 02:01:35,640
It really just comes down to race idolatry, right Like.

2251
02:01:35,680 --> 02:01:40,319
Speaker 1: Well, but but there's a parallel sphere of black conspiracy

2252
02:01:40,680 --> 02:01:43,359
that's kind of parallel with all the alt media, you know,

2253
02:01:43,560 --> 02:01:47,199
libertarian white people conspiracy domain. There is also this there's

2254
02:01:47,199 --> 02:01:50,840
this adjacent like black conspiracy stuff the whole time too,

2255
02:01:51,239 --> 02:01:54,319
which has a few characters putting out you know, documentaries.

2256
02:01:54,880 --> 02:01:58,439
Professor Griff obviously is on part of that.

2257
02:01:58,840 --> 02:02:02,199
Speaker 3: Even Professor Griff in the Cannabis, that guy he had

2258
02:02:02,239 --> 02:02:06,560
like this whole album called Melanin Melatonin Magic, Melatonin magic.

2259
02:02:06,640 --> 02:02:12,560
But they get all obsessed with like melanin is a

2260
02:02:12,560 --> 02:02:16,199
magical substance. Melon is like Melanin is like is the

2261
02:02:16,239 --> 02:02:20,279
fabric of the universe. The whole cosmos is all just

2262
02:02:20,359 --> 02:02:23,039
built on melanin. And the white man is so like you,

2263
02:02:23,159 --> 02:02:29,279
freaking punk as whities, useless honkys. You you don't even

2264
02:02:29,359 --> 02:02:32,479
have melanin as much as as much as the real

2265
02:02:32,680 --> 02:02:37,000
the real heaps have and because of that, you are

2266
02:02:37,039 --> 02:02:40,199
worth less. You have no psychic abilities. You can't even

2267
02:02:40,239 --> 02:02:41,359
be out in the sun for long.

2268
02:02:41,720 --> 02:02:46,039
Speaker 1: But I was created by yakub, so I can think.

2269
02:02:47,239 --> 02:02:49,239
Speaker 3: You're gonna be my all, gonna be my slave. You

2270
02:02:49,279 --> 02:02:53,800
ain't even you ain't even white. You read you read you,

2271
02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:56,520
the you, the you, the seat of the serpent.

2272
02:02:57,159 --> 02:03:01,199
Speaker 1: Oh speaking speak speaking of that parallel uh, you know,

2273
02:03:01,399 --> 02:03:07,279
non libertarian white people conspiracy domain. There's also the less

2274
02:03:07,319 --> 02:03:12,000
known and less tapped sphere of Islamic conspiracy theory, particularly

2275
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:14,319
in the late two thousands. Do you remember The Arrivals.

2276
02:03:15,359 --> 02:03:18,000
That series was very popular on YouTube, millions of views,

2277
02:03:18,560 --> 02:03:20,640
and it was just just a whole bunch of it

2278
02:03:20,680 --> 02:03:26,880
was like Muslim conspiracy theory videos about the the dej

2279
02:03:27,239 --> 02:03:29,680
and the gin in music videos of pop culture.

2280
02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:32,560
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, that was around the same time as

2281
02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:36,279
all the syncral mysticism videos were coming out, so people

2282
02:03:36,319 --> 02:03:39,640
would those videos. That was another funny fun time on

2283
02:03:39,680 --> 02:03:43,159
the internet conspiracy world, the syncral mysticism stuff, where it's

2284
02:03:43,199 --> 02:03:45,680
like they'd take all these clips from g I Joe

2285
02:03:46,079 --> 02:03:53,159
and then find from September, the day number eleven of

2286
02:03:53,239 --> 02:03:54,960
September from the two thousand.

2287
02:03:54,640 --> 02:03:57,520
Speaker 9: And one they would get the you know of videos

2288
02:03:57,520 --> 02:03:59,960
from that and then show how we'll look at the

2289
02:04:00,039 --> 02:04:03,680
this exact angle on this news clip and then yeah,

2290
02:04:03,720 --> 02:04:04,880
it would just be so skitzo.

2291
02:04:05,279 --> 02:04:07,520
Speaker 3: But some of the connections that they would make, it

2292
02:04:07,560 --> 02:04:10,199
was like it was fun to watch, yeah, right something

2293
02:04:10,279 --> 02:04:12,680
It was like a puzzle that you're watching these weird

2294
02:04:12,760 --> 02:04:16,760
syncro mysticism videos. But yeah, that was probably made by

2295
02:04:16,760 --> 02:04:21,239
a bunch of Feds or stoners, yeah, or both fed stoners.

2296
02:04:22,520 --> 02:04:26,119
Speaker 1: Now, a couple I left out, I forgot apologized. One

2297
02:04:26,119 --> 02:04:27,800
of the more obvious ones I should have remembered and

2298
02:04:27,840 --> 02:04:30,720
known right away is this is actually in early two

2299
02:04:30,760 --> 02:04:33,640
thousands documentary. I didn't watch it until about twenty ten

2300
02:04:33,720 --> 02:04:36,399
or eleven but I came across it because of doing

2301
02:04:37,039 --> 02:04:42,479
Eslter Hollywood, and that is the documentary Operation Hollywood about

2302
02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:46,359
the Pentagon's role in Hollywood. It's a very very normy,

2303
02:04:46,439 --> 02:04:49,479
very you know, kind of left, but it's it's still

2304
02:04:49,479 --> 02:04:53,199
got some good insights and information. I did think that

2305
02:04:53,319 --> 02:04:58,319
more recently, the Jehan lecar A documentary was pretty good

2306
02:04:58,720 --> 02:05:03,000
that had some pretty good in sites into espionage. And

2307
02:05:03,079 --> 02:05:06,199
then the other documentary in the espionage fear that's really

2308
02:05:06,199 --> 02:05:10,359
good of recent times is the William Colby documentary that

2309
02:05:10,880 --> 02:05:13,760
actually FDA told me to watch. If you've never seen

2310
02:05:13,760 --> 02:05:16,800
the William Colby Doug, it's made by his son. Obviously

2311
02:05:16,800 --> 02:05:22,439
he's dead, but that's a really really good espionage documentary.

2312
02:05:22,479 --> 02:05:25,199
I recommend it. It's called Uh, the Man Nobody Knew

2313
02:05:25,239 --> 02:05:29,439
in Search of My Father. That's a great documentary. And

2314
02:05:29,920 --> 02:05:32,720
the John lecar A documentary that I think Apple TV

2315
02:05:32,920 --> 02:05:37,920
did is a really good documentary of recent note. But

2316
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:41,600
other than that, that's essentially for me, everything I can

2317
02:05:41,640 --> 02:05:46,720
think of in terms of, you know, documentaries that I

2318
02:05:46,840 --> 02:05:49,800
watched and that I recall, and you know, the ones

2319
02:05:49,840 --> 02:05:53,319
that really stand out are aren't the ones you might

2320
02:05:53,359 --> 02:05:56,279
think the ones that stick out in my mind is

2321
02:05:56,319 --> 02:05:59,640
really kind of changing my mind on issues. Was certainly

2322
02:06:00,279 --> 02:06:02,760
you know, dark secrets inside Beheming Grove convinced me of

2323
02:06:04,039 --> 02:06:07,800
the reality of the power elite meeting in secret meetings

2324
02:06:07,800 --> 02:06:11,720
and doing weird stuff. Franklin cover up and Ted Gunnerson talks,

2325
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:14,920
you know, really kind of solidified for me the role

2326
02:06:15,039 --> 02:06:19,720
of SRA that kind of stuff. Obviously loose change in fable,

2327
02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:28,920
enemies played a big role. Corbett on Okac and Noble line.

2328
02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:31,479
We're big ones in my mind, minds of men, a

2329
02:06:31,560 --> 02:06:35,479
mirage men, light bulb conspiracies, open secret, We're big ones.

2330
02:06:37,399 --> 02:06:39,640
But that's about it. I mean, I mean, there's value

2331
02:06:39,680 --> 02:06:41,800
in a lot of these other ones, but for me,

2332
02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:43,720
those are the ones that really stick out as kind

2333
02:06:43,760 --> 02:06:46,840
of being pivotal, you know, things that kind of change

2334
02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:48,199
my mind on topics.

2335
02:06:50,880 --> 02:06:53,359
Speaker 3: You had a great list there, man A, that's a

2336
02:06:53,359 --> 02:06:55,960
great topic. I'm glad you. Glad you suggested it.

2337
02:06:56,039 --> 02:06:58,960
Speaker 1: May Well I thought about actually John Adams suggested we

2338
02:06:58,960 --> 02:07:00,680
do a podcast on it. So out out to John

2339
02:07:00,760 --> 02:07:03,119
because he kind of had that idea. But also I

2340
02:07:03,199 --> 02:07:05,359
forgot guys, if you do want to watch the documentary,

2341
02:07:05,359 --> 02:07:08,279
the one documentary I am in. It is Seawn Stone's

2342
02:07:08,279 --> 02:07:11,720
documentary with me and Oliver Stone and others called Hollywood DC.

2343
02:07:12,760 --> 02:07:15,079
I will put that link right there. This is from

2344
02:07:15,199 --> 02:07:17,880
some years ago, maybe twenty seventeen, I think it's when

2345
02:07:17,880 --> 02:07:20,880
that came out. But it's a good documentary if you

2346
02:07:20,920 --> 02:07:22,600
haven't seen it, it kind of goes over the base.

2347
02:07:22,680 --> 02:07:26,039
It's a better version of Operation Hollywood. But we got

2348
02:07:26,039 --> 02:07:27,960
a few super chats. Anything that you want to leave

2349
02:07:28,000 --> 02:07:29,880
us with, Tristan in terms of doctum, Oh, tell us

2350
02:07:29,880 --> 02:07:32,960
about lastly, Game Changers. I remember you doing a great

2351
02:07:32,960 --> 02:07:34,840
critique of this when this came out. What is that

2352
02:07:34,840 --> 02:07:35,199
all about?

2353
02:07:35,199 --> 02:07:36,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Well there were a lot of these like

2354
02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:39,920
vegan propaganda documentaries that came out around this time, but

2355
02:07:39,960 --> 02:07:41,840
the one that got the most funded was we were

2356
02:07:41,840 --> 02:07:43,960
talking about James Cameron earlier and you know you made

2357
02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:51,239
all those weird documentaries and he sorry, yeah, he funded

2358
02:07:51,279 --> 02:07:54,079
and made this documentary called Game Changers, which was all

2359
02:07:54,119 --> 02:07:57,520
about how if you go vegan, your pepe is going

2360
02:07:57,600 --> 02:08:00,680
to work better and you'll get more harder boners is

2361
02:08:00,880 --> 02:08:04,079
and then you'll have a You'll you'll just become this

2362
02:08:04,239 --> 02:08:08,880
super jacked uber athlete. And yeah it was. It was

2363
02:08:08,920 --> 02:08:11,600
one of the corniest documentaries you'll ever see. But there

2364
02:08:11,600 --> 02:08:13,760
are tons of momentum behind this. It was at a

2365
02:08:13,800 --> 02:08:17,399
time when a lot of the people in the vegan

2366
02:08:17,439 --> 02:08:21,840
activist movement on YouTube were getting a lot of attention,

2367
02:08:22,079 --> 02:08:25,880
right and they were doing street theater and terrorizing small

2368
02:08:25,920 --> 02:08:28,640
family farms and stuff. So guys like earthling ed and

2369
02:08:29,079 --> 02:08:34,520
they're this whole network of vegan influencers and they're all

2370
02:08:34,560 --> 02:08:38,359
funded by and I expose this years ago. These people

2371
02:08:38,439 --> 02:08:40,880
hate me too, so I just I stopped interacting with

2372
02:08:40,920 --> 02:08:43,720
any of these people because they're just Their movement basically

2373
02:08:43,800 --> 02:08:46,840
fizzled out after the Game Changers came out. Nobody cares

2374
02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:50,880
about veganism anymore. It's not even a thing like they're

2375
02:08:51,039 --> 02:08:54,279
they're these people have become irrelevant culturally. But at the time,

2376
02:08:54,479 --> 02:08:56,159
as far as YouTube goes, they were getting a lot

2377
02:08:56,159 --> 02:08:58,800
of attention, and they would try to debate people and

2378
02:08:58,960 --> 02:09:01,800
you know, convince them to go vegan, and you know,

2379
02:09:01,880 --> 02:09:05,239
some people were dumb enough to try the things that

2380
02:09:05,279 --> 02:09:08,840
they suggested to them and that malnourished themselves on a

2381
02:09:08,920 --> 02:09:12,159
vegan die. But Game Changers was James Cameron. It was

2382
02:09:12,159 --> 02:09:17,399
his his for into activism, and he actually bought this

2383
02:09:17,479 --> 02:09:23,119
huge compound over in New Zealand and wanted to turn

2384
02:09:23,159 --> 02:09:27,319
it into some you know, like vegan paradise or something.

2385
02:09:27,359 --> 02:09:29,479
I think it ended up falling apart and he might

2386
02:09:29,479 --> 02:09:31,880
have sold it. It's where a lot of the elite

2387
02:09:31,920 --> 02:09:33,840
are buying land in New Zealand. I don't know what

2388
02:09:33,880 --> 02:09:35,680
it is about New Zealand, but a lot of them

2389
02:09:35,319 --> 02:09:39,520
are kind of hedging their bets on owning some land

2390
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:42,720
in New Zealand and building compounds there. But it turns

2391
02:09:42,760 --> 02:09:45,119
out that James Cameron also when he was promoting this

2392
02:09:45,239 --> 02:09:50,279
documentary about well stop eating meat and eat vegan food, well,

2393
02:09:50,439 --> 02:09:52,800
the main vegan food that he wants to promote is

2394
02:09:52,920 --> 02:09:57,520
pea protein powder, pea protein isolate. So yeah, it's not

2395
02:09:57,760 --> 02:10:01,399
urine pee, but like peas is the little green things.

2396
02:10:01,960 --> 02:10:06,119
So he bought shares in, or maybe I think might

2397
02:10:06,119 --> 02:10:09,800
have been half of the shares in, uh, like the

2398
02:10:09,840 --> 02:10:15,359
biggest pea protein isolate production facility in North America or

2399
02:10:15,359 --> 02:10:18,920
perhaps the world, and that was in Canada. So he

2400
02:10:18,920 --> 02:10:21,960
he had a you know, vested interest in promoting this stuff. Well,

2401
02:10:21,960 --> 02:10:24,199
it turns out that that pea protein stuff was killing

2402
02:10:24,239 --> 02:10:25,680
a bunch of dogs. They put in a lot of

2403
02:10:25,680 --> 02:10:31,600
dog kibble and they were getting kidney failure and the

2404
02:10:31,760 --> 02:10:35,039
problems with their blood, like blood clotting type stuff. So

2405
02:10:35,479 --> 02:10:37,880
I ended up being a real failure in the dog

2406
02:10:37,920 --> 02:10:40,039
food world because they were saying, well, you just transition

2407
02:10:40,199 --> 02:10:42,760
your pets, all of the cat moms, and you guys

2408
02:10:42,760 --> 02:10:44,720
got to be vegan cat moms, and that's going to

2409
02:10:44,760 --> 02:10:47,560
save the planet. And the weather's not going to change

2410
02:10:47,560 --> 02:10:49,600
if you do that, and you know, all the good

2411
02:10:49,600 --> 02:10:51,239
things will happen, and if you don't, then all the

2412
02:10:51,359 --> 02:10:54,239
bad things are gonna happen with climate change, and climate

2413
02:10:54,279 --> 02:10:57,119
won't stop changing and all aren't you scared? The polar

2414
02:10:57,119 --> 02:11:00,159
bears aren't gonna be able to swim if they're up

2415
02:11:00,199 --> 02:11:02,840
on an iceberg. It's because of you, because you eat meat.

2416
02:11:04,239 --> 02:11:07,600
So this the documentary was horrible. It was it was

2417
02:11:07,680 --> 02:11:11,199
completely it's it's actually funny to watch because it's such

2418
02:11:11,960 --> 02:11:14,960
it's such stupid propaganda, Like they bring these young guys,

2419
02:11:15,039 --> 02:11:17,359
these kind of I don't know if they're I forget

2420
02:11:17,359 --> 02:11:20,680
if they're college level athletes or if they were NFL guys,

2421
02:11:21,319 --> 02:11:24,880
and they they bring them to this doctor and he

2422
02:11:24,920 --> 02:11:28,279
starts telling them, well, you know, vegan diet, you get

2423
02:11:28,560 --> 02:11:32,920
more frequent and harder erections, so they like strap a

2424
02:11:33,239 --> 02:11:37,600
device to their weans at night and they measure how

2425
02:11:38,479 --> 02:11:41,520
like the the hardness of their pens while they're sleeping.

2426
02:11:41,560 --> 02:11:43,560
Speaker 1: I remember you talking about this now when you were

2427
02:11:43,560 --> 02:11:45,319
making fun of the documentary. I remember this now.

2428
02:11:45,640 --> 02:11:48,680
Speaker 3: It was the stupidest thing. Yeah, I mean, it was

2429
02:11:48,720 --> 02:11:49,239
just it was a lot.

2430
02:11:49,319 --> 02:11:51,680
Speaker 1: This brings back like twenty This is like twenty eighteen,

2431
02:11:51,720 --> 02:11:54,800
twenty nineteen era Tristan streams, because I remember I listened

2432
02:11:54,800 --> 02:11:57,239
to all those I remember. I remember you.

2433
02:11:57,239 --> 02:11:59,520
Speaker 3: Covering all those that was good. Those are good times,

2434
02:12:00,039 --> 02:12:04,720
good era, like debating vegan gains and all those idiots.

2435
02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:08,359
Speaker 1: My question is like, so you know, I don't. I

2436
02:12:08,359 --> 02:12:10,640
know you've been busy with other stuff, but have you

2437
02:12:10,840 --> 02:12:13,520
have you kept caught up on or checked in on

2438
02:12:13,800 --> 02:12:16,159
the vegan sphere of YouTube and the internet.

2439
02:12:16,239 --> 02:12:18,760
Speaker 3: And it seems like they have not checked in on

2440
02:12:18,840 --> 02:12:20,920
them that often. But I follow a lot of them

2441
02:12:21,000 --> 02:12:24,159
on like Instagram, and but I don't get this. I

2442
02:12:24,159 --> 02:12:27,359
don't get into my YouTube feed anymore. I don't really

2443
02:12:27,399 --> 02:12:30,319
I don't engage with them as far as but what I'm.

2444
02:12:30,159 --> 02:12:32,439
Speaker 1: Wondering is do you think all of that propaganda that

2445
02:12:32,479 --> 02:12:35,039
they were rolling out so hard from twenty sixteen to

2446
02:12:35,079 --> 02:12:38,479
twenty twenty two, I mean, has has it essentially failed?

2447
02:12:38,560 --> 02:12:40,520
Or do you think they're still kind of on the rise.

2448
02:12:41,199 --> 02:12:44,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think it's completely failed. They're being funded

2449
02:12:44,479 --> 02:12:47,199
a lot with the big funder of all these channels,

2450
02:12:47,439 --> 02:12:51,720
funds like Plant Based News, likely the funder behind the

2451
02:12:51,720 --> 02:12:55,319
major donor behind guys like Anonymous Voice for the Voice List,

2452
02:12:55,359 --> 02:12:58,439
who's there's this group of vegan dorks who took the

2453
02:12:58,680 --> 02:13:02,399
anonymous esthetic and the guy fowx mask and they go

2454
02:13:02,479 --> 02:13:05,560
and they stand and they hold like slaughterhouse footage and

2455
02:13:05,600 --> 02:13:08,119
then they get one of their guys like they just

2456
02:13:08,159 --> 02:13:10,800
stand there still with and they don't say anything. They

2457
02:13:10,800 --> 02:13:12,880
just stand there like statues and hold a computer and

2458
02:13:12,920 --> 02:13:16,439
it shows the poor animals being killed at slaughterhouses. And

2459
02:13:16,479 --> 02:13:19,079
then you know, they do this in cities where people

2460
02:13:19,079 --> 02:13:21,439
are completely disconnected from their food supply and have no

2461
02:13:21,560 --> 02:13:25,399
idea like you know what it what it entails to

2462
02:13:25,479 --> 02:13:29,000
grow food and produce food. So you know, people were

2463
02:13:29,079 --> 02:13:32,479
raised on Disney movies and Bambies anthropomorphizing animals and thinking

2464
02:13:32,560 --> 02:13:37,520
that they're always like your best friends, and they they'll

2465
02:13:37,600 --> 02:13:40,239
have somebody try to convince them and debate people in

2466
02:13:40,239 --> 02:13:41,960
the street, and then the harvest clips from that and

2467
02:13:42,000 --> 02:13:45,560
put it online. But if you look at these channels

2468
02:13:45,560 --> 02:13:48,319
in these videos now, it's just it's just an echo chamber.

2469
02:13:48,680 --> 02:13:50,479
Maybe they would say the same thing, the same thing

2470
02:13:50,520 --> 02:13:55,039
about you know us, but it's just created this really

2471
02:13:55,079 --> 02:14:00,159
tight echo chamber where they're constantly coping with these each

2472
02:14:00,159 --> 02:14:05,399
other and the language, and they're still meming about stuff

2473
02:14:05,680 --> 02:14:08,880
that we were making fun of them for in twenty eighteen,

2474
02:14:09,000 --> 02:14:12,319
twenty nineteen. There's still a lot of these people are

2475
02:14:12,359 --> 02:14:18,560
still obsessively they're still like debating us in their minds,

2476
02:14:19,079 --> 02:14:20,800
trying to trying to pone us.

2477
02:14:20,840 --> 02:14:23,439
Speaker 1: And well, I remember at one point, yeah, like you

2478
02:14:23,439 --> 02:14:27,720
would see ask Yourself and Vegan Gains all over YouTube,

2479
02:14:27,760 --> 02:14:30,720
Like everywhere you went, they're Vade debating here, They're over here,

2480
02:14:30,479 --> 02:14:32,600
there was stuff I'm all in your debating. They're over

2481
02:14:32,600 --> 02:14:35,039
here debating Vegan gains over and it seems like no

2482
02:14:35,079 --> 02:14:37,279
one cares about any of these people anymore.

2483
02:14:38,119 --> 02:14:40,119
Speaker 3: No, I don't think Vegan. I mean I haven't seen

2484
02:14:40,159 --> 02:14:42,560
a Vegan Gain Gains video and forever. I think he's

2485
02:14:42,640 --> 02:14:48,239
just super depressed and obese and miserable. His wife is

2486
02:14:48,279 --> 02:14:51,359
like totally trans now or something. I don't know. These

2487
02:14:51,399 --> 02:14:53,399
people are Sadly, a lot of these people are really

2488
02:14:53,399 --> 02:14:58,159
mentally ill and they're living they're living out their little

2489
02:14:58,680 --> 02:15:01,439
little lifestyle and it's just exacerbating the problem of the

2490
02:15:01,439 --> 02:15:04,319
mental illness chicken their egg scenario where it's like, did

2491
02:15:04,319 --> 02:15:07,680
the nutritional efficiency make you mentally ill? Or did your

2492
02:15:07,680 --> 02:15:11,039
mental illness drive you to making religion out of chronic

2493
02:15:11,159 --> 02:15:16,239
nutritional deficiency? And yeah, I know. The hard part about

2494
02:15:16,239 --> 02:15:19,479
engaging with vegans is they just they mass flag and

2495
02:15:19,520 --> 02:15:22,520
they they are engaged in all the gay ops tactics,

2496
02:15:22,600 --> 02:15:26,720
so it's not it's just not you, just it's best

2497
02:15:26,720 --> 02:15:29,840
and not engaged with them. You know, they get they

2498
02:15:29,960 --> 02:15:34,920
get your channel completely shadow band through just mass flagging

2499
02:15:35,720 --> 02:15:36,520
and stuff like that.

2500
02:15:36,600 --> 02:15:40,720
Speaker 1: So check it. Checking in all vegan gains. He has

2501
02:15:40,760 --> 02:15:44,399
a channel that's twice are bigger than mine and he

2502
02:15:44,520 --> 02:15:48,760
gets the same amount of views on his videos and

2503
02:15:48,960 --> 02:15:51,479
can't even pull two hundred on a live stream. So

2504
02:15:52,399 --> 02:15:57,920
because he's got one hundred and ninety eight on a

2505
02:15:58,000 --> 02:16:03,439
live stream.

2506
02:16:01,439 --> 02:16:05,239
Speaker 3: Right now, Yeah, let's go watch it.

2507
02:16:06,760 --> 02:16:08,840
Speaker 1: I can't play video when I got a guest on

2508
02:16:09,319 --> 02:16:13,119
collab cam. But uh, I'm gonna have to end up

2509
02:16:13,119 --> 02:16:15,000
pretty quick here because we had to go get update

2510
02:16:15,039 --> 02:16:17,520
from the airport. But we got some super chats.

2511
02:16:19,239 --> 02:16:20,000
Speaker 3: Before.

2512
02:16:21,560 --> 02:16:25,479
Speaker 1: I was thinking that having any connection to you was

2513
02:16:25,520 --> 02:16:27,760
a bad idea. Before I even met it was called

2514
02:16:27,840 --> 02:16:33,920
It's called quantum. It's called quantum toxicity. There's quantum toxicity

2515
02:16:33,920 --> 02:16:37,159
that you have where people know before they even know

2516
02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:40,479
you that they shouldn't, So it's called quantum toxic.

2517
02:16:40,840 --> 02:16:42,719
Speaker 3: Well, you have to add me on because I have

2518
02:16:43,280 --> 02:16:46,239
so much blackmail on you, and I've got I've got

2519
02:16:46,319 --> 02:16:47,399
pictures of you.

2520
02:16:47,360 --> 02:16:48,399
Speaker 1: You've got picture of me and my.

2521
02:16:48,440 --> 02:16:53,879
Speaker 3: VI you don't want to see. Yeah, now Jay's squirming

2522
02:16:53,879 --> 02:16:56,799
in his seat. I'll just say one where Jay will

2523
02:16:56,840 --> 02:16:58,000
know what I'm talking about.

2524
02:16:58,440 --> 02:17:01,600
Speaker 1: Me with Vegan gains in my van gay phase, me

2525
02:17:01,639 --> 02:17:02,360
and Vegan games.

2526
02:17:02,479 --> 02:17:06,159
Speaker 3: If Jay doesn't, if Day doesn't cooperate, the audience might

2527
02:17:06,200 --> 02:17:09,200
know about his quantum foam. We'll see. That's what I'll.

2528
02:17:09,000 --> 02:17:13,360
Speaker 1: Say, Maverick Joes three dollars. I gottahurry up. Did you

2529
02:17:13,360 --> 02:17:15,920
guys ever watch Europa? The last battle I have not

2530
02:17:16,120 --> 02:17:17,840
is it a movie or a documentary.

2531
02:17:19,040 --> 02:17:21,559
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I remember. The Greatest Story Never Told that

2532
02:17:21,600 --> 02:17:24,440
was another really big one twenty seventeen or eighteen?

2533
02:17:24,719 --> 02:17:26,159
Speaker 1: Is that a health one? What's that about?

2534
02:17:26,719 --> 02:17:28,920
Speaker 3: No, the greatest story Never told that was the like

2535
02:17:29,879 --> 02:17:34,319
uh you know, funny mustache Man is my new Internet

2536
02:17:34,399 --> 02:17:35,120
dad face?

2537
02:17:35,239 --> 02:17:37,479
Speaker 1: Oh that one? Yeah, that was going around popular in

2538
02:17:37,520 --> 02:17:39,040
the twenty in the twenty tenths.

2539
02:17:39,120 --> 02:17:41,319
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah it was. I mean it was. It's an

2540
02:17:41,479 --> 02:17:46,040
alternative history, revision's history about World War two and pre

2541
02:17:46,120 --> 02:17:46,719
World War two.

2542
02:17:47,120 --> 02:17:52,200
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Hee hitting that review exactly, glowy review,

2543
02:17:52,440 --> 02:17:54,920
hit all the hit that all the day. Three dollars.

2544
02:17:54,959 --> 02:17:57,239
You should get a mortal technique on. He's a cool guy.

2545
02:17:57,959 --> 02:17:58,719
I haven't thought him.

2546
02:17:59,120 --> 02:18:02,559
Speaker 3: He's not actually cool. He's actually unhinged weird.

2547
02:18:02,799 --> 02:18:04,840
Speaker 1: Oh really like what and what like how just.

2548
02:18:04,840 --> 02:18:08,040
Speaker 3: Like shrugged arrangement syndrome and oh he hates he goes

2549
02:18:08,040 --> 02:18:11,239
out live and just like rants and yelled at people,

2550
02:18:11,319 --> 02:18:13,719
and he's he's kind of a boomer.

2551
02:18:14,479 --> 02:18:17,879
Speaker 1: Kristen twenty dollars, very cool, chill stream. Love the memories

2552
02:18:17,920 --> 02:18:20,520
and the stories of these real life conspiracy truths exactly.

2553
02:18:20,639 --> 02:18:23,159
Matthew Sober twenty dollars on twenty one. I put a

2554
02:18:23,159 --> 02:18:25,319
good amount of money into bitcoin a few months ago.

2555
02:18:25,600 --> 02:18:28,479
Now I want to commit harder. Should I wait for

2556
02:18:28,520 --> 02:18:32,440
a dip to get in or asap? Yeah, it's hard

2557
02:18:32,440 --> 02:18:35,719
to say, because you know, we're moving into new at

2558
02:18:35,959 --> 02:18:39,719
h territory. So if we pop to one fifty two

2559
02:18:39,799 --> 02:18:43,000
hundred in the next six months, then what that means

2560
02:18:43,079 --> 02:18:46,319
is that the new low will be the sixty tier.

2561
02:18:46,760 --> 02:18:49,159
So if you're looking to get back into it at

2562
02:18:49,200 --> 02:18:52,760
the sixty ish tier, that's probably not going to happen

2563
02:18:52,840 --> 02:18:56,879
until we hit the next pop off high and then

2564
02:18:56,879 --> 02:18:58,920
whatever the next crashes. And I can't tell you when

2565
02:18:58,920 --> 02:19:01,239
the next crash is, So I don't know whether it's

2566
02:19:01,239 --> 02:19:03,319
better to wait or DCA. I can't tell you that.

2567
02:19:03,520 --> 02:19:06,639
Dave ten dollars, Love you guys. Have you seen Tom

2568
02:19:06,680 --> 02:19:09,159
Hanks written a directive film that thing you do? I

2569
02:19:09,159 --> 02:19:12,680
have seen that. It's esoteric and that movie I.

2570
02:19:14,159 --> 02:19:14,239
Speaker 6: Did.

2571
02:19:15,559 --> 02:19:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a you know, music industry type thing, right.

2572
02:19:19,239 --> 02:19:24,680
Speaker 3: Themes breaking my heart into.

2573
02:19:26,159 --> 02:19:28,680
Speaker 1: Yes, Jamie, maybe watch it actually, so I have said

2574
02:19:28,840 --> 02:19:31,040
br Shadow three dollars. What was the main consequences of

2575
02:19:31,079 --> 02:19:36,639
getting initiated into something like Theosophy spiritual delusion total of

2576
02:19:36,799 --> 02:19:41,159
twenty three dollars. Tristan, I lived near the aforementioned base

2577
02:19:41,879 --> 02:19:45,479
that you said in regard to U se sc I

2578
02:19:45,520 --> 02:19:49,079
was asked to go into to go view those spheres

2579
02:19:49,120 --> 02:19:52,120
in nineteen ninety three. I discounted the notion that it

2580
02:19:52,159 --> 02:19:56,559
could be real. I saw those red spheres moving hypersonically

2581
02:19:56,600 --> 02:20:03,000
across the horizon and hiding amongst stars near Davin Park, Devenport.

2582
02:20:03,159 --> 02:20:06,280
Speaker 3: That's crazy, that's funny. Yeah, I saw some of that

2583
02:20:06,319 --> 02:20:08,360
stuff too. I've also I saw I saw a weird

2584
02:20:08,399 --> 02:20:11,520
experimental craft there and then also those like one at

2585
02:20:11,600 --> 02:20:15,200
one time, one of those triangle things. This triangle craft

2586
02:20:15,239 --> 02:20:18,600
actually came right over during the middle of a It

2587
02:20:18,680 --> 02:20:21,280
flew over Santa Cruz in the middle of a fireworks display.

2588
02:20:21,319 --> 02:20:23,799
I don't think it was Fourth of July, but it

2589
02:20:23,840 --> 02:20:26,879
could have been for July, and I took a I

2590
02:20:26,920 --> 02:20:29,760
had I didn't have the camera on a tripod, but

2591
02:20:29,840 --> 02:20:32,440
I took a long exposure picture of it because it

2592
02:20:32,479 --> 02:20:35,920
was coming off way out off the horizon, like over

2593
02:20:35,959 --> 02:20:38,719
the bay, and it just flew right over us. When

2594
02:20:38,719 --> 02:20:42,159
it was kind of amazing because it was it was

2595
02:20:42,200 --> 02:20:45,200
totally quiet and it was, you know, triangular in shape

2596
02:20:45,239 --> 02:20:47,520
and had a big orb in the middle of it

2597
02:20:47,600 --> 02:20:50,799
and then lights on each point and it was just dark,

2598
02:20:50,920 --> 02:20:52,399
you know, and uh it just.

2599
02:20:52,719 --> 02:20:54,520
Speaker 1: Cool story, bro. But we got a hurry. I told

2600
02:20:54,559 --> 02:20:58,040
you this. I mean, you're just basically hurting FDA every

2601
02:20:58,079 --> 02:20:59,760
time you talk. I just well, I wanted to know

2602
02:20:59,799 --> 02:21:02,559
that a non ten dollars. Glory to Jesus Christ. Now

2603
02:21:02,520 --> 02:21:05,639
when ever to Ages of Ages? Thank you, Joe Anon

2604
02:21:05,760 --> 02:21:07,959
five dollars. What do you think about the Orthodox American

2605
02:21:08,120 --> 02:21:11,159
American Orthodox film trailer? I've not yet seen it, but

2606
02:21:11,360 --> 02:21:13,079
I will check it out. How do you see Orthodox

2607
02:21:13,079 --> 02:21:16,840
films influencing culture? Well, again, I mean, documentaries are only

2608
02:21:16,920 --> 02:21:19,360
going to go so far, so I'm not saying it's bad,

2609
02:21:19,440 --> 02:21:23,079
but it's just not the era, unfortunately, of documentaries anymore.

2610
02:21:23,120 --> 02:21:25,040
Gary two hundred dollars. Thank you so much, fat Sy

2611
02:21:25,040 --> 02:21:28,360
we Chat. Thank you Jay for these BTC predictions. It

2612
02:21:28,440 --> 02:21:30,840
is good to see the stunning and brave Tristana back

2613
02:21:30,879 --> 02:21:34,399
on the stream. Absolutely, We're glad to have a beautiful

2614
02:21:34,399 --> 02:21:38,719
e diva Tristana here at Maverick Jones do research in

2615
02:21:38,799 --> 02:21:42,920
the relationship with the John Birch Society and Alex. I

2616
02:21:42,959 --> 02:21:45,440
mean Alex is talking about General Mitton, K Parton and

2617
02:21:45,520 --> 02:21:49,159
early John Birch people for decades. I've had we had

2618
02:21:49,159 --> 02:21:50,840
a dinner with Alex and talked about it, so I'm

2619
02:21:50,879 --> 02:21:52,520
familiar with that. But thank you. Storm of Cat ten

2620
02:21:52,600 --> 02:21:56,399
dollars salad fingers is peak two thousands Internet. I don't

2621
02:21:56,399 --> 02:22:03,879
know what that is. Let's see. Let's sea to that

2622
02:22:03,920 --> 02:22:08,760
one backseat sauceman ten dollars, yakub did cony twenty twelve.

2623
02:22:08,840 --> 02:22:10,959
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over at chalk dot com c choq dot com. The

2631
02:22:30,680 --> 02:22:33,159
link is in the show description. Be sure and follow

2632
02:22:33,360 --> 02:22:35,799
Trustan over on his channel Tristan Haggard. It is linked

2633
02:22:35,799 --> 02:22:38,159
in the show description and it will be linked after

2634
02:22:38,399 --> 02:22:42,040
the show in the title description. But yes, his channel

2635
02:22:42,079 --> 02:22:46,000
is linked and tomorrow is our icon conference. There is

2636
02:22:46,040 --> 02:22:48,159
still the possibility if you can make it, if you're

2637
02:22:48,200 --> 02:22:50,079
in the Florida area, if you want to come to

2638
02:22:50,120 --> 02:22:53,239
our conference, there are still open seats and so you

2639
02:22:53,239 --> 02:22:55,879
can get tickets right here at me FDA. Father Theodore

2640
02:22:55,920 --> 02:22:59,079
and Father Vladimir talking tomorrow on icons. Hey, Trustan, thank

2641
02:22:59,079 --> 02:23:01,920
you so much for talking to about documentaries and doing

2642
02:23:01,920 --> 02:23:02,920
this retrospective.

2643
02:23:04,079 --> 02:23:06,799
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on, mister j Dyer, Jay d

2644
02:23:06,959 --> 02:23:10,040
or j d Thank you for unmuting me, reminding me

2645
02:23:10,120 --> 02:23:13,680
to unmute always. Sometimes I just forget to unmute and

2646
02:23:13,719 --> 02:23:17,879
then I just hear this beautiful boy. I got to unmute.

2647
02:23:18,319 --> 02:23:20,719
But could you tell tell Jamie to get you a coffee?

2648
02:23:21,079 --> 02:23:22,879
And then uh yeah, I'll see.

2649
02:23:23,200 --> 02:23:25,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well we gotta go in an FDA, So thank

2650
02:23:25,520 --> 02:23:27,959
you for coming on coffee, great show.