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to my whole life spin. What's up? Everybody? Welcome? We
have with us today the most professional live streamer who
just walks off, stands up, plays with dogs on stream.
His name is Tristan Haggard, and he's here to discuss
a forgotten genre, a genre that's kind of died. We're
going to talk about maybe why that genre has essentially
died out. It's kind of become the domain of really
just leftist propaganda. That's really all that's still going on
in this domain for the most part. Every now and
then there's a little bit of a gem, but that's
the documentary film and the Heyday and then there he goes,
all right, So I guess we'll just call it a
night there, since our professional live streamer who does this
for a living, believe it or not, actually just walks
away consistently from all of his duties in life.
Speaker 3: Really sorry, I just unmuted. You look like you finished talking?
Are you done? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Did you also turn the gain up on your mic?
All the way to sound important and fearful and threatening
to the audience?
Speaker 3: Is that that? I mean? That seems like an admission
that when I speak, you feel some sort of a
some sort of a power emanating from me that maybe
intimidates you.
Speaker 1: Uh, I mean if you call mannic insanity power Okay, yes,
Like we just don't know what this kind of a
dude is gonna do.
Speaker 3: Next, mannic in sanity. I mean, whatever, Man, this is
Trump country now, and you know what, like you're You're
probably gonna be the first person I put in my
Project twenty twenty five. Oh ouch, Project twenty twenty five
concentration camp that I'm building out here in my backyard.
Speaker 1: So Trump won the election in Ecuador as well. I
didn't know that, bro.
Speaker 3: This is this is a globe victory for men.
Speaker 1: For the red Pill men's rights, and Tate is that
it really won last night?
Speaker 3: Tate red Pill as red Pill activists. Basically, basically the
plan is to have Trump deport you, like I'm gonna
I'm gonna figure out a way to get you deported
with all the illegals. And I've got I'm built, and
I'm gonna see if I can get some sort of
maybe private funding through Elon Musk or something to build
kind of like a franchised project twenty twenty five concentration camp,
and I'm hoping to house you in it and maybe
use you for some to maybe just harvest you make
your live stream for a few hours.
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with your your front tate? Is that? What do you
think about that?
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Speaker 3: Triple my wife tells me I have birth birthing in right, your.
Speaker 1: Wife is like this and then you're like this, right,
I think that's what you told me.
Speaker 3: So are you just gonna be chewing food and just
really eat? No?
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Speaker 3: Yes, this is your You're you're calling me unprofessional only.
Speaker 1: As a sign of disrespect to your disrespect. You disrespected
my podcast, so you get the gum chewing anyway, I've
spit the gum out. I've split the gum out. Are
you ready? How you're eating? Bro freaking gum?
Speaker 3: What an amateur.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk today about the history of documentaries,
the heyday of documentaries. I want to say the heyday
was around two thousand and five to twenty fifteen. That's
where documentaries were popping off. I've listed the good and
the bad. We're going to talk about mainstream, normy documentaries
that were propaganda that we can now look back and
kind of laugh at and identify, as well as the
alt media sphere. Really, the alt media kind of popped
off from things like you know, Alex's documentaries. We'll talk
about some of those, and Google video. A lot of
younger folk won't remember Google video. We're going to talk
about some of that today. But let's go back to
the late nineties that era. Tristan, what's the first documentary?
It could be fun, it could be normy, it could
be conspiracy. Like, what's the first documentary that you remember
seeing that kind of stuck out in your mind?
Speaker 3: Oh man, Well, when you say, I mean, when you
talk about the nineties, I think what was it Planet
Earth or the Blue the Ocean that ocean documentary that
was always on, like Discovery Channel and Animal Planet. Those
were huge. I mean those were massive, and those actually
played a big part in kind of forming the ethos
and the worldview of millennials in general concerning environment environmental movement. Yeah, so,
I mean those those documentaries, they were beautifully made, The
cinematography was amazing, and you know David Attenborough's voice, right,
it all kind of became really iconic. So everything about
the aesthetic of those documentaries is very memorable as far
as the nineties goes. But I mean, I just remember
watching the History Channel for hours on end. The History
Channel in the nineties was was so funny. I mean
it was it was mostly like Hitler stuff. It was
like all you know, a lot of Nazi stuff, I
think in the early two thousands. Then it shifted more
ancient aliens and that exactly picking up. I mean that
was kind of like pop culture candy type content. But
I think the Animal not Animal Planet, but what is
it called the Blue what was Blue Planet?
Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the Blue Planet.
Speaker 3: Ones were cool because I always loved uh, you know,
whales and dolphins and stuff and kind of grew up
around the ocean, So yeah, those were pretty influential to me.
And then also I remember when they were releasing, and
it was a huge year when what was it called
Planet Earth came out. But I mean those those were
not always overtly propagandistic, but there's consistently kind of this
droning undertone in the background about oh, look at the
look at these poor animals. If you if you guys
would just stop having babies, then you know, maybe maybe
Mammy Earth will be happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. David Admer was always talking about how, you know,
mother Daves.
Speaker 5: Just call the populations of the animals, perhaps we should
also cull the population of the humans to hope nature
live in balance.
Speaker 1: You know. He was always making those kinds of.
Speaker 3: Analogies exactly exactly. So yeah, I think I think those
were pretty Those were pretty big, man. I mean, those
were those documentaries that was like an event when those
were coming out. When they were I think they were
released like nine episodes. They're all an hour long, the
Planet Earth, and they had great cinematography, but the underlying,
the underlying messages feel bad. This could exist, Uh, if
you weren't making babies and breathing and using your fossil fuels.
The burning of fossil fuels has brought about the destruction.
Speaker 5: Of pretty much every symple animal, children love. And if
you would just sterilize yourselves and move into a smart
city coffin apartment, the beautiful mot Mott birds can do
their mating dances in peace without.
Speaker 3: Your grubby, little cheeto covered children's fingers all over their
beautiful planet.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, that's a great point. I forgot about the
period in the late nineties where the newer cable channels
like Discovery Channel, Learning Channel, and History Channel were pretty
much constant documentary feeds. That's a great point, and that
really kind of got people used to the documentary style
because in the nineties there were very few documentaries. I
don't remember that many being really popular. I remember one
of the earliest ones that I sat and watched, you know,
all the way through, was something like you know, Bowling
for Columbine and then something to do like you said
with with you know, tiny mustache Man on History Channel.
I remember watching some of those. I remember watching like
a D Day documentary Normandy Invasion one time, and that's
like the extent of what I remember from you know,
late nineties, but what stuck out from and I guess
Bowling for Columby was actually two thousand and two. But
it was huge. It was huge, and that exactly like
I think.
Speaker 3: That physically and then also physically exactly massive.
Speaker 1: He was massive and probably he still is. But Michael
Moore was just such a and he I did watch
the one that he made about what is the Water
in Flint, Michigan? That was his first one that really
kind of got him notoriety, you know, you know I'm
talking about. His first documentary was something to do with
like the Yes something like that. Yeah, I remember watching
what was it about the water? It seemed like the
water in Flint, Michigan or something like that. Is that what.
Speaker 3: Michigan? I'm looking at the chatter now. Somebody's saying, fix audio.
I don't know what they mean, fix audio audio.
Speaker 1: Uh, you're not muted.
Speaker 3: Someone says, I'm low. Someone's Roger, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Roger, that's it all right. I've raised trust him up.
See if he's better now, can you hear him?
Speaker 3: Now? We'll see if they as they continue to complain the.
Speaker 1: Thing is is that he's really loud to me and
just his voice in general just greats on me. So
that's why I have to kind of turn him down
at times. But anyway, so I think the thing is
that with those early you know, Michael Moore documentaries, they
were almost entirely, you know, just the leftist propaganda of
their day. I will give one exception to Fahrenheit four
fifty one because there was a little bit of truth
in that that was kind of surprising. You know. It
was almost like he was hinting at the Big Nine
event being an inside you know what. It was kind
of the first of those. Maybe Alex had one, you know,
right after talking about the Big Nine. I'll mention some
of those in a little bit, but you know, faarir
Nheit four fifty one was a big deal at the time.
People were talking about the bush Bin lot in connection.
That was a big part of that documentary. But you know,
in the case of more, it never goes far enough.
And if you remember at that time, when you know,
Big Nine truth was starting to pop off right after
the event in two thousand and two, three four five,
it was very much a seen as a left thing,
and the Democratic Party immediately attached themselves to the Big
Nine Truth movement. Do you remember that, Tristan.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean it was, I mean, it wasn't really
the mainstream Democratic Party though it was. I mean the
mainstream Democratic Party. I mean remember the videos of Luke
Radowski asking Biden about certain events that happened concerning that.
Forget exactly what he asked him, but Biden kind of
flipped out on him, gave him some venomous response.
Speaker 1: No, you're right, it wasn't mainstream, but it was seen.
But yeah, it was on the domain of left politics.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but for me, it was the people that I knew.
It was more like left leaning anarchy, like leftist anarchists,
those types for sure, right like they would say, you know,
it's a that event was an inside job, and you
know a lot of anti war type people, various anti
war activists and whatnot. Yeah, I mean Moore's documentaries. I actually,
when you proposed this idea, I didn't even think of
Michael Moore. I'm glad you mentioned him. But going like
the Bowling for Columbine, that was huge. I mean that
that documentary was another one of these kind of cultural
benchmarks for like the left, and it was just it
was for those of you who don't remember for our
zoomer audience. Uh, Columbine was like this thing where these
two towers got hit with like a paper airplane or
something like that, I think. And then uh, and then
like there was like some dudes dancing on a bridge
or something. Something happened like that.
Speaker 1: In columb Muslim Arab Muslim Arab men dancing. Yeah, to
celebrate the fact that the fact that Y two K
had programmed the towers to fall throughout the simulated matrix.
That's what that That's.
Speaker 3: What it was. It was because the computer program on
at the end of the year nineteen ninety nine, the
computer programs wouldn't work anymore, and so there was kind
of this reset. The whole there was like this time
warp reset type thing. And then the Columbine event had
something to do with airplanes or something. So this this
that that documentary though it was, it was really the
whole The whole thing was about gun control, right. The
whole thing was about removing you know, we got to
rethink the Second Amendment. We should be you know, having
maybe total ban on citizens owning guns or some sort
of graduated graduating.
Speaker 1: And do you remember that he interviews Marilyn Manson in it,
which is interesting because it was just an odd selection
of characters that he chose to interview. And you know,
Marilyn Manson is sitting there trying to sound really profound
and and kind of sophisticated about how, you know, his
satanic music would never promote the ideas of, you know,
gun violence, and he believes in gun control. It was
just so silly.
Speaker 3: Because Eminem was really big at that time too. Remember
It's like the Slim Shady records were out right and
those those were hyper violent, and Eminem would be fantasizing
about bloody, gory, violent acts in those in those in
his songs.
Speaker 1: So it looks like it has Dick Clark in it.
It has Matt Stone, it.
Speaker 3: Has Matt Stone South Park.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple other people. I don't know who they are,
but really, Marilyn Manson, I guess, was was the big
you know, the big name in that.
Speaker 3: Wait, the big one though, the kind of the big
moment that everybody was talking about was Charlton Heston from
My Cold Dead Hands Guy. Remember, Charlton Heston was.
Speaker 1: Like, no, I'm talking about in the documentary though he
doesn't have he doesn't have Charlton Heston in there. You
mean that he plays the clip to make fun of it, right.
Speaker 3: No, In Bowling for Columbine at the end of the film,
doesn't he go to Charlton Heston's house to interview him
and gets kicked out.
Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't remember. That sounds right probably, I.
Speaker 3: Think that's I think the peak of the film is
the end of it. He goes to Charlton Heston, sits
down with him, and I think Charlton Heston basically is like,
get out of here, you fat, disgusting slot. Yeah, right,
like that. Remember, Heston was really old at that time too.
Hesson was like it was kind of an elder abuse
type scenario almost. But at that in those days, Charlton
Heston was one of the big advocates for you know,
Second Amendment rights and all this. I mean, I think
you know what.
Speaker 1: He died recently, right, I don't remember the exact year,
but it was not too long after this that he
called into Alex. So Heston called into Alex's show a
few times back in the two thousands. I remember listening.
Speaker 3: It's interesting, Yeah, was Alex was. Alex was broadcasting around
the time that my Michael Moore's Bowling for colum Mine came.
Speaker 1: Out, Yeah, he was, And Alex was always going off
on Michael Moore as just a fat slob and a
Democratic Party you know, shill and you know, and when
Fahrenheit four or fifty one for Fahrenheit nine eleven came out,
you know, Alex went after it as just kind of
a whitewash, and which it kind of was, because it
was you know, basically, oh, there's not it's like almost
nine to eleven truth. But don't go that far.
Speaker 3: That's too crazy, right, uh huh uh huh, Well it's
I mean, speaking of Alex, I mean, I'm thinking about
around the time two thousand and two thousand and one,
In around it was it two thousand and three. A
lot of my friends were into the movie. You and
I did a review on it, Waking Life, the Link
Later movie, and Alex has a cameo in that, and right,
that's my first exposure to Alex, and how I learned
about Alex was from from that movie. But yeah, around
two thousand, two thousand to two thousand and one. Now,
I don't really remember the Fahrenheit nine film like his,
I mean, what was it basically just oh you know that.
Speaker 1: I mean it was this was a huge, huge deal.
I mean it was probably as big as you know,
Boling for Columbine because this was you know, Michael Moore's
you know, breath taking, you know, expose on the connection
between the Bush and bin Laden families, you know, through
the corporate contracts that they had, the companies that they
were connected through. I don't really remember all of the
details of, you know, how far the documentary goes, but.
Speaker 3: I remember thinking it was a whitewash. I remember thinking
this is like, you know, yeah, it's essentially what I yeah,
because what year was that documentary two thousand and two?
Speaker 1: Let me see what what year Fahrenheit was.
Speaker 3: I'm guessing it was two thousand and three because I
remember when I or maybe I didn't watch it until
it was long after it come out. Obviously, I never
saw any of these documentaries in the theaters. Growing up
in southern California, you know, I definitely knew, you know,
we knew a lot of people who were anti war,
but also in the areas we lived were more conservative,
especially at that time.
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is two thousand and four, so that
would explain too why Alex had such kind of a
vest to dislike, because Alex has already been by this time,
he's already made about four or five you know, kind
of underground documentaries. The first one that's really going to
pop off is Dark Secrets Inside Bohinging Grove in two thousand,
so you know, this explains kind of Alex. I remember
Alex would go off on Michael Moore all the time,
you know, basically just saying he's establishment shu, which turned out,
of course to be correct.
Speaker 3: What year did he make the Police State documentary? Was
that before for Bohemia Grove or was that like that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's see. There is Police State two thousand,
which is the first specifically about the police state, but
he had already made in nineteen ninety eight America Destroyed
by Design, which I was going back and watching some
of that was pretty funny, where Alex is talking about
the United Nations and China buying up seaports and and
you know, Chinese influence, which is interesting. But I don't
not many people knew about Alex at that because he's
really just still local to Texas and doing public access stuff.
But after doing Police State two thousand and then after
doing he did another film called a very few will
remember called Wake Up or Waco, which is Alex's documentary
on the Branch Davidians and David Koresh and all of that,
and I remember Alex actually contributed the proceeds to help
them rebuild their church after that. That was a huge
deal for the you know, the patriot conservative Christian community
back at the time, because this was seen as you know,
the first real tyrannical move of the federal government against
religious organizations. Do you do you remember how big of
a del Waco was.
Speaker 3: Waco was huge. I had I have an uncle. He
he was in Texas. I remember visiting him. I think
it must have been what year was Waco ninety six?
Speaker 1: That sounds about right, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Think it must have been ninety seven or ninety eight,
And we visited my uncle and I remember he he
had produced he had been involved in the production. I
forget what documentary it was. I'm not gonna like name
docshon or anything, but he was involved somehow or one
of his friends maybe produced this documentary about Waco. And
he was like trying to show us my dad didn't care.
My dad Ottawa, no, no, no, No, my dad's like
your uncle's lawyer, crazy man. He's a little he's a
little while my uncle was like a track Catholic. I
think he's I think I don't know if he's like
SSPX or something. But he was at the time really
into the militia movement. He was a lawyer that was
involved with a lot of you know, mitigation. Some of
the stuff that he did had to do with these
type of issues. But yeah, that was a big deal man.
The patriot community back then, which I don't know where
those people, like, where is that movement now? It doesn't
it seems like it's been since the Bundy Ranch thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a good good that's a good time
to date it. That was kind of the end of
that idea of the you know, libertarian Ron Paul sovereign
citizen prepper type stuff. We still have preppers with us,
but you know, Alex was really kind of during that
time period as well as Ron Paul, you know, pretty
much the voice of all of that. And I remember
that domain or that whole time period very vividly because
I got into Alex in two thousand and two or
three through some clips and some broadcasts I'd seen of
him actually on a Tradcat website. It was a trad
Cat at the time, and there was a site that
had put up some clips about him talking about skull
and Bones, and then that actually led me to Dark
Secrets inside Bohemian Grove. So my initiation to Alex was
the Bohemi Grove documentary and that, even though it came
out in two thousand, I think I watched in two
thousand and three. And then that led to me watching
Loose Change, which remember Ebom's World. Everybody used to watch
Ebomb's World.
Speaker 3: And that was like nineties.
Speaker 1: No, no, this, well it may have been in the nineties,
but this is for me. Ebom's World was like two
thousand and two three, and I remember watching.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking of like the soundboard Ebomb's World from the
nineties where it was like goofy clips, like goofy audio
clips or something.
Speaker 1: I mean, World had that stuff. But then but then
Ebom's World in the or in the two thousands transition
into a viral you know website that you watch when
whatever's viral, that you're watching on your lunch break at work. Basically,
so they were they were putting up clips that. Remember
the Star Wars kid, right that comes that comes out
of the E Bombs world domain. And I remember one
of the clips that it was getting really popular was
I didn't know what it was, but it was a
clip from Loose Change, and it was the scene where
Burmas is explaining Burmas and Dylan Avery explaining the Pentagon.
And so that was my initiation to Loose Change, which
I then found on Google video, you know, like two
thousand and four or five, somewhere in there, maybe maybe
two thousand and six. But that era of this was
really where you start to see the rise of alternative
media documentaries popping off. And it's Alex and Loose Change
that really pioneered that.
Speaker 3: Well, you and I were talking earlier about the you know,
the old days of YouTube, right, YouTube was two thousand
and five. I remember YouTube YouTube came out, and that
was my freshman year at college, and I remember, you know,
just being in the dorms with my friends and us
just finding weird stuff on YouTube and kind of exploring it.
I had some friends that would upload YouTube back in
two thousand and five too, and that was like, that
was crazy because you had actually, you know, you had
a film on like a mini DV camera and then
capture it to your laptop. You'd have final cut. Nobody had.
Not that many people had final cut back then, so
then you'd have to edit it and then upload. It
was like it was this whole big thing.
Speaker 1: And Windows movie Maker. Remember Windows movie Maker. Yeah, it
was like the worst, terrible quality stuff. It's like, this
was like two thousand and seven eight when it's Windows
movie Maker.
Speaker 3: So I remember what was really influential back then. David
Ike was kind of big on YouTube in two thousand
and five, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was.
Speaker 3: That's a good point being introduced of like, oh, you
know about David Ike, right, Like, no, I I don't
know David Ike. What is this because we were talking
about conspiracies and stuff, and you know I had grown up.
Oh I'll bring this this point up later. The UFO
stuff was really big in the nineties, as I mean,
it wasn't that mainstream. That's a good point of mainstream
that was always kind of trying to coax that alls in.
And you know, the UFO SI up has been running
for a long time. And in the nineties there were
a ton of books. I mean there were lots of books,
a lot of interesting books in the libraries and stuff.
So I went read, uh, Whitley Streamer's book when I
was like ten. I should have read this book, definitely.
I found Whitley Streamer's book. I was just fascinated with,
you know, Bigfoot and all this. So when I was
a little kid, like six seven years old, whenever I
went to the library, I would go to the like
unexplained like the unexplained mysteries type books, you know, lock Nest,
monster and cryptids. That was the most popular stuff in
those in those genres. And then also of course UFOs,
which is the most terrifying of all those things, is
starting to read about these like abduction experiences that people
are having. So I was I was reading about the
Betty and Barney Hills stuff when I'm like ten years old,
trying to figure out what's going on.
Speaker 1: So wait, what year you were reading about that? In
the nineties?
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, when I was just been in like ninety seven.
So I remember being in fourth grade and I got
Whitley Striever's book and I read that, but I had
already read every other book I can find for the
last maybe two years, since like third grade, some nine
years old. Every because there were books for young kids
about UFOs. But I was, you know, I was a
kind of a voracious reader, so I would get books
that were, you know, pretty advanced, and so I was
kind of reading all the history of Roswell. I was
really into trying to figure out what happened with the
Roswell crash. And there were some documentaries about that stuff
in the nineties too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot about aliens. There were alien documentaries in
the nineties UFOs.
Speaker 3: Remember the Alien Autopsy stuff?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I remember watching Fox when they
were advertising for the Alien Autopsy and then I remember
that they had the vhs at the local movie rental
store in the nineties. I thought, I always thought that
was funny. I mean, I never believed in aliens even
in the nineties, but I did have a phase where
when I got pretty deep into conspiracy, you know, the
opening doorways of conspiracy through you know, Beeman Grove and
Loose Change and all that in the early two thousands.
I do remember going.
Speaker 3: For me was the UFO stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went down that. Yeah. I had like a
period of reading you know, what's his name, Stanton Friedman,
And I remember reading I remember reading about project in
m J twelve, and you know, I read books on
abductions and stuff like you're saying, And but I think
eventually you kind of realize, like the alien stuff is
just retarded, you know what I mean, It's just I mean,
there's a demonic component to it, but like the rest
of us just stupid. I mean, I don't did you.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean in the two thousands that got way
out there. I mean in the nineties it was too,
But I mean, it's it's retarded. The conclusions people come
to is are retarded. But I would I would, I
would say it's it's actually one of the most important
things that's been having. That's why my father Sarah from
Rose dedicated such a big portion of it in his
in his book, right, I mean, this is something that
it's it's right now.
Speaker 1: I believe in the demonic. I'm just saying, like, did
you in your journey when you were reading that stuff
in the nineties, did you continue did you did you
actually believe in aliens and evees and did that continue
into the two thousands or did you kind of not
believe that anymore?
Speaker 3: No, I thought there was something going on, but I wasn't.
I couldn't. I wasn't sure, right. I was aware of
Jacques Valet's theory that like there's some sort of reading
Streamer's book, it's clearly like a demonic thing that's going on.
Right when you read this. There's this aspect of syops
and military special operations stuff combined with like psychotronic mind
control type situations, ritual trauma. It's like the it's like
mk ultra meets cultural engineering and it's it is kind
of a nexus point of all these weird, spooky phenomenon
spooky as as far as like intelligence agencies and stuff.
But my conclusion at the time, I didn't have a conclusion.
It was just this is one of these crazy things.
Whatever this is, Like I knew there was something going on, right,
It's like, not all these people are not independently. Some
of these people are cooks and they make stuff up
they want attention, right, And some of these people are
taking fake pictures like the famous Hoover vacuum upside down
like Georgia Damski, and some of these people are are
total frauds. A lot of these people are frauds, but
there are like pretty undeniable quantity of sightings, especially of
those we're reading about. Then there were pictures of some
of these two and a lot of drawings of those
black triangle crafts. I actually saw one of those in
two thousand and eight or nine in California, and it
just looked like a huge It was maybe three five
times the size of a jet, and it was near
a lockeyed Martin facility, So you'd see weird stuff in
the sky. But yeah, I mean when I was a
little kid, I never had experiences like that, but this was.
It was kind of a it would give me nightmares
for sure. Right, I'd like to read those scary things
and then lay in Bennet night and you'd just be
kind of like, what if, you know, you tell yourself
those spooky stories, And yeah, it was it's definitely a
there's there's something real there. But then there's also a
real cultural and engineering aspect to it, of and this
could be you know, demonic at its core as well.
But they want you to be wondering about this. They
want it. It's an intentionally.
Speaker 1: Intentionally want you going down that alien rabbit hole exactly.
Speaker 3: Which is why they're publishing books for children in the
nineties about this. They bread crumbed you into it.
Speaker 1: You think you're being a million TV shows and movies.
Speaker 3: Exactly. You think you're like countercultural and you know, exploring
the and you know it is fascinating to me. I
was always interested in kind of the the paranormal and
the edges of reality, right, because clearly there's more going
on than just you know, oh, you're all just a
bunch of monkeys and and you know, just monkeys and
bouncing off of monkeys and the whole world is this
cold and deterministic thing, and uh and evolution and all this,
but even within the evolution myth, you know, the alien
the alien abduction phenomenon, they like to say, well, you know,
the aliens are like advanced humans grow and you know
they if you if you lived a million years in space, dude,
your eyes would be so big and you'd just be like,
you just have this big old head and you don't
need muscle.
Speaker 1: I don't know how do they come to that conclusion
that your that your brain grows and your eyes grow
because of space. I mean it's like, because.
Speaker 3: You're so smart, dude. Evolution makes you so smart.
Speaker 1: And also space makes you smart, right, space, just space.
And the further out you go, the higher your IQ. Right,
So if you're from like distant Pleiades, you've got like,
you know, mega IQ. Right, that's totally logical. It makes purposes. Now,
two key documentaries that are kind of underground in this
period that shook a lot of people. Obviously, you know,
we can talk about the Alex stuff, but you mentioned
one that has to be recalled, and that is the
Franklin cover Up, which was the suppressed Discovery Channel documentary
about the Franklin scandal and s R A and the
abuses at the highest levels of the GOP back at
the Bush Senior White House, and in this I don't
know if you've seen this one. Did you watch back
at that time, back in the days of Google video
and whatnot. The Ted Gunderson lectures on the McMartin preschool case.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, of course, Gunderson man. Yeah, but
now those came hand in hand, the Ted Gunderson lectures
on the preschool scandal on the underground and all the
stuff about Michael.
Speaker 1: The tunnels underneath the preschool exactly, yeah.
Speaker 3: In the presidio. Yeah, I know, all this stuff was
fascinating too. Because I lived in that area, right, like
growing up in California and then living kind of the
South Bay. This stuff was really was really freaky, especially
because there's so many you know, yeah, you got the
Presidio and you've got you know, these naval bases and
Moffatt Airfield, but then you also have all this private
stuff too. You know. It's like where I went to
university at the very top of the hill in Santa Cruz,
past the University of California, at Santa c Je's leaves.
He rages you rage quiz So I win? I win?
I just won. Come on, I want.
Speaker 1: I went to get the book which came out at
this time it related to this stuff.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, nice, No, we show the book again. I
want to see the cover.
Speaker 1: Right. So around this time, I remember this comes out
in two thousand and three. I remember buying it when
it was new. I was completely you know, awake to
all the you know, SRA stuff. But this was the
first book that came out in about the SRA in
the Roman Catholic Church, and so what William Kennedy wrote
the book Lucifer's Lodge two thousand and three, and it's
the history of SRA in Rome. So you know, I've
been reading about that for twenty one years, so people
should realize. I was like, you know, we're not we're
not nubes to these topics. We've been looking at this
for a long time. Like I said, it's one of
the first published books on this topic, and it goes
along it doesn't.
Speaker 3: I don't think I ever heard of that book. But
just just to finish off that that one point, like
above the university was a giant Lockheed Martin facility, and
the they had created legal barricades to where you couldn't
test the groundwater anywhere around this. Like you as a
private citizen, if you got a well in your land,
you weren't allowed like test the well water works. A
lot of people were upset about this. Lockheed facility used
to be owned by the Navy, and then it was
purchased by Lockheed Martin. But then it also shared land
with a church with LDS with the Church of Latter
day Saints, and we used to drive up there at night.
Like if you you go all the way up Empire Grade,
you can see in this valley and there are there
they're doing. They have a lot of high tech stuff
that they're consistently you know, testing and probing out there
at Lockheed. But you could see the doing stuff down
in the valley. They had these you know, I don't
know how they were generating so much power to get these,
but they they would. They had these little these little
orbs of light that would light up over the top
of these little cement buildings and that start out really
small and then just get massive. It looked like some
sort of a I don't know, some sort of a
electric field type stuff made. It had to maybe it
had to do with radar. But we would go up
there and mess around and get get get spooped out
by cars that would know. These trucks would be leaving
the Lockheed facility and the security guards would come ask
you what you're doing. Oh, we're just messing around up here.
You know, we heard this weird stuff. Is that okay? Yeah,
just don't come like, don't go any further up And
so yeah, we would. That was that was really strange
in California, and reading about and learning about the you know,
the Franklin cover up, and watching the Ted Gunnerson interviews
all made it that much more spooky kind of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this was that phase too of the late
nineties and into the two thousand thousands, when the Internet
was not you know, omnipresent, not everybody was on it.
Uh it was. It was a lot more of a
kind of a libertarian niche type of thing in terms
of these like finding these documentaries and finding the stuff,
because you would usually find along with it the other
documentaries that go along with kind of the you know,
the American Patriots, Sovereign Citizen, Ron Paul, liberturn ethos, like
critiques of the Fed right, So you you would come
across the Jewig Griffin, uh, you know, Creature from Jackal
Island documentaries, you would find the class. Oh no, I
forgot about the medical Freedom documentaries back then. I forgot
about those.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that that was a big one. I
think I think Griffin made the cancer. I forget it
was something to do.
Speaker 1: You're right, that's I forgot about that exactly.
Speaker 3: And maybe before the Creature from Jackoll Island stuff.
Speaker 1: Well but but but also we get from jew Griffin
the never ending, perpetual immortal interview with Uri Besmanov, which
always makes a comeback on the Internet. It never goes away,
and we'll probably never see the end of the Uri
Bezmanov clips about the KGV taking over America.
Speaker 3: But those actually like how it's evergreen.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, but you know what's funny about that one?
And a couple others on my list like Angels Don't
Play This Harp? That's a classic of the conspiracy domain.
Do you remember that from Nick Begich on harp? So
Angels that Don't Play This Harp is from nineteen ninety seven.
Gereg Griffin's interview with Besmanov is actually from nineteen eighty five.
Money Masters by William Still is from nineteen ninety six.
And yet those documentaries got really popular ten years later,
or even twenty years later in the case of Griffin,
through Google video and the rise of the early days
of YouTube. So even these older unknown ones can get
exactly that was actually from the nineties too. That was
like a nineties That was.
Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety four that documentary was made. It was shelved.
I don't know. I think I don't know if it
ever if it actually ever premiered on Discovery, but it was.
I think it was supposed to air and they shelved
it at the last minute or more or maybe it
aired once and then they never showed it again. That
only became popular through the Internet. And it was really
low quality, right, it was like two forty p.
Speaker 1: Yeah, super blurry and yeah. I mean you can still
find it, but it's it's it's always super super low quality.
Do you remember William Still's Money Masters.
Speaker 3: Well, I do remember the name, but I don't remember
the content of it. Was he just about the Fed,
the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 1: It was, it was all about that. But and Alex
used to promote it. But then there was this period
where there was a big falling out in the two thousands.
I remember this between Still and anybody in the Ron
Paul sphere, because William Still was not pro gold and
he had these I don't remember what his weird views were,
but he went after Ron Paul and that kind of
led to the severance of Alex and the Ron Paul's
fear from William Still and the money Masters. But Williams
Money Master's documentary is still there, like it's I just
found it on YouTube. But Still got like two hundred
thousand views, and it's just.
Speaker 3: It's just what would he what would he like to
see the money backed with?
Speaker 1: I can't remember, but he has this whole like, his
whole thing was that the Federal Reserve obviously his FIAT
and all that, but gold isn't an answer because the
elite controlled gold, and so there's some other answer. I
don't remember what John Adams said that he was a
proponent of a form of FIAT, so he didn't like
the Fed's FIAT, but he had his own view of FIAT,
and of course Ron Paul and Alex weren't going to
go for that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, well I think I remember back in those
days learning about the gold standard and stuff and being
at first like, yeah, that's what it should be. That's
the problem, right, I mean, if we got off the
gold standard, that was the big issue. But then, you know,
I remember maybe a few months later, I'm thinking, you know,
I'm talking two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight,
super comparratorial young guy thinking where it's like, well, then
you're just gonna put I mean, the people who have
all the gold, now, where's all the gold? Now? Maybe
those people are behind the and the FED stuff and
they want to just you know, that was that was
that was in propaganda.
Speaker 1: That was Tarpley's critique. If you remember the phase the
era of Tarpley on Alex Jones pretty consistently. That was
always Tarpley's critique of Ron Paul.
Speaker 6: Listen to Ron Paul. He's like, uh, Ron Paul wants
to pop the bubble. He's a fascist. He's just like
the I was watching the movie Leprecaun. The Lepercun in
the horror movie says give me me gold. It's Ron Paul. People,
that's Ron Paul.
Speaker 1: That was That's my Webster Tarpley. By the way, you
don't remember do you not remember Webster Tarpley barely?
Speaker 3: I remember. I remember the books. What books did he write?
He wrote the book he.
Speaker 1: Wrote actually a really good book on nine eleven nine
to eleven Synthetic Terror, which is a really good book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, didn't he write a book. Didn't you write the book,
the Bush Documentary book.
Speaker 1: Yes, he did a thing on the bushes. And actually
he was anti Obama and he plays a huge role
in in game. So actually Tarpley is interviewed for probably
about forty forty five minutes or something crazy in an
in game Alex's in game. Anyway, that was a really
good one.
Speaker 3: What year was that?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So moving up, Yeah, moving up into the later two thousands.
We get in game in two thousand and seven. Loose
Change had happened in two thousand and five, an in
game was really kind of like the documentary that broke
Alex kind of into a next level of popularity, because
this is like again, guys, remember this is the height
of like documentaries being popular on the Internet from alternative
media people. And uh, loose Change had been a massive hit.
In fact, at one point louse Change in the two
thousands was the most viewed video I believe on the
Internet and perhaps I mean it's it was at least
the most few documentary too, and on YouTube vieah, the
biggest on YouTube exactly.
Speaker 3: So I mean, yeah, it's crazy. And Burmis and then
made louse Change. Burmas was young when he made that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was really young. I mean he was we
were I think we're around the same age, so he
would have been in his early twenties when he did them. Yeah,
and that was a massive hit, and and Alex immediately
kind of linked up with Burmas. I can't remember if
Alex had anything to do with Loose Change, but Alex
helped Burmas make the next film, which was fairly uh, significant,
and I went back and watched them. It was actually
pretty good. Fabled Enemies, which was two thousand and eight,
which there was actually good. Yeah, Fable and Enemies did well.
And then we had this curio thing pop on the scene,
which is actually gonna set the tone for, unfortunately, where
documentary films will go for the next several years, and
that is, of course Zeitgeist. Do you remember when you
first heard about and saw Zeitgeist?
Speaker 3: I do, yeah, yeah, Can you already tell you the
story the myth? No? Yeah, Well, first, where did you
hear about it?
Speaker 1: Well, it was in the sphere and actually it was
actually from Alex and so, you know, I remember hearing
people in you know, the Libertarian you know, Rom Paul's
sphere of stuff talking about Zeitgeist and Alex was immediately
trashing it, and I remember going and watching it, and
then I remember right after I watched it, Alex invited
Peter Joseph on and they had this massive debate and
it was fun. It was hilarious because I was just
screaming at the guy and talking about you know, Josh
Fresco and the UN and how it was all based
on you know, putting everybody into basically a technocracy. But yeah,
I remember this being a huge and all of the
pothead like stoner libertarian people loved it because not just
the Federal Reserve stuff, but because of all the Jesus stuff.
Do you remember this where Jesus is just like all
the other world religions, there's you know, Zeus and there's
like there's like dying and rising gods and every religion man.
And that was so there was like this huge anti
Christian component to Zeitgeist, which.
Speaker 3: That was the whole thing.
Speaker 1: It was not Part two.
Speaker 3: Addendum or whatever was all that.
Speaker 1: It was Sakaria s Karia s. Yes, she was like
the lesbian Jesus is the s u n of God.
What's her view?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, and it only so for those of you
who haven't watched Zeitgeist, don't bother. It's absolutely retarded. I mean,
the first part of it, the part of the parts
about nine to eleven, it's basically just kind of ripping
off burmus is, uh, you know, ripping off of what's
called like loose change, taking some of that stuff, then
combining it with like look what's on the dollar bill
type stuff. It's kind of it's Basically it's like Nick,
they should have been in Nick Cage narrating. It should
be jayde Er NICKK doing Nick Cage narrating. Uh, you know,
National Treasure style search for the truth of all the
conspiracy the world. But yeah, I first heard about that.
I worked as a valet at this this kind of
nice hotel on the beach in Santa Cruz on the
and the guys that I worked with, most of them
are really cool. Uh, all of them were actually really
cool guys. Uh. Two of them like wanted to be
Hollywood riders and they wanted to be like basically they
thought they're gonna be Matt Damon and Ben Affleck and
they're you know, they're like writing scripts together and talking
about how they're gonna be big actors and stuff. And
all those guys were hilarious. I'm sure they've net they're
probably yeah, they're they're nice guys, but they were never
going to be famous writers or actors. And then this
this other guy that I worked with. His name was Matt.
He was this really little guy and he had this
he had like an older brother or something that would
always tell him about crazy stuff. And we were talking
about we were always talking about conspiracies, and I think
I had already seen loose Change, and I was introduced
to a lot of the the nine event truth stuff,
even through like music. I remember when I was in
high school, we would listen to Immortal Technique and he and.
Speaker 1: Oh I forgot about a moratal technique. Yeah, the truth
or rap phase of like two thousand and eight nine, Yeah,
that's I forgot about him.
Speaker 3: No, he was more two thousand and three, four, two
thousand and two, early four, Yeah he.
Speaker 1: Was Maybe I just heard about him for the first
time that late.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that he got bigger around that time because
Loose Change and everything really blew up, I mean two
thousand and five to two thousand and nine. Twenty ten, well, yeah,
I guess like twenty ten the whole truth There was
the Truth movement and everyone was talking about getting red
pilled and all this like that was that was a
big It was a big thing. It was a big
portion of the Internet, a large a large amount of
the stuff that was uploaded to YouTube was concerning this,
and they really had they cracked down a lot once
so vombit on in exactly, the censorship really started kicking
up in a high gear YouTube. Eventually the whole model
of YouTube changed. I mean twenty fourteen, they brought about
monetization and this basically ended the whole era because monetization
favored shorter form content, viral style content, and the attention
spans contracted more and more. It's like once they let
the boomers on Facebook, that was the start of the
end of the world. When boomers were allowed on Facebook,
that was the beginning of the end. Then we'd get
monetization on YouTube a few years later, and the reason
that people were making, you know, then it became content.
You were uploading videos before on YouTube. Then it was content.
You're a content creator, and it's about harvesting, you know,
the YouTube ad revenue. And back in the day, you
could get good money on YouTube ad revenue, like you
could get you know, if you got to if you
put a video out and you got a thousand views
in the first two weeks, your your hyped like that
was that's a crazy amount of views. Back in the day,
you would get they would pay you, you get good money.
You'd make like you could make a few hundred bucks
on a video that's just making you know, a couple
of thousand views and in the h in a month,
so YouTube was paying well. Then the whole thing got
flooded with so called content. The attention spans shortened and
short and shortened, and then it was a great excuse
for for censorship. Right, well, we've got we've got to
run ads, and these people are.
Speaker 1: The ad The ad monetization was a big angle exactly
for census A great point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, back to the get things like
Geist was really big back then. And this guy I
worked with, my buddy Matt, was telling me, oh, you
gotta you gotta watch this this movie Zeitgeist. Oh no, no,
I'm sorry. It wasn't Matt. No. There there were two guys.
There was this There was this guy that was kind
of annoying that worked in the restaurant. So there's a
restaurant on site at the hotel. And this guy was
kind of like a he was a what do you
call was a busser. He was he busted tables and
wash dishes, and he and I were always just kind
of complaining about shitty jobs. Like even though my job
was cool, I was a valet and I would make
you know, people would just hand you cash to go
park their car it was a great job. We would
still complain about, oh, I'm working for the man bro
like just nine to five, Like this is so crazy.
We wasted our lives doing this stuff. We're you know,
twenty one years old, and he's like, you gotta watch
this documentary. It's called Zeitgeist. So I went and I
watched it, and I was you know, at the time,
I was not you know, wasn't I was kind of
like believed in something beyond the physical. It wasn't just
a total normy but kind of more leaning towards uh
like maybe d some sort of a Daist type thing
or you know, maybe I don't know, slightly.
Speaker 1: In yoga chick basically before Instagram had.
Speaker 3: Yoga, a yoga instructor. But yeah, anyways, yeah, I learned
about Zeitgeist from him and I watched it. I thought
it was kind of corny. I wasn't really convinced. Uh,
some of the stuff was interesting, it just what never
made sense to me. It was like, there's this whole
film is based on the assumption that, well, the false
assumption that the English language and the what do you
call it, like homophone style, like the weird English coincidences
that occur with the word son of God and the sun.
It's like I knew some Spanish, right, So the sun
is soul in Spanish, so it doesn't work echos in Spanish.
And the soul is the sun as far as the
sun that shines, so that doesn't work in any language
other than English. So that just kind of fell apart
from me. Although there was some interesting things about like
oh look, it's like the virgin birth, and there's this
and that. But I even on the inter of the time,
there were a lot of kind of debunking people would debunk.
Everyone was debunking everything, right, you had a snops. I
don't think snaps.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But at the same time too was kind of
the rise of the popularity of Jordan Maxwell, who was
using all of those same types of you know, wordplay
techniques to try to draw out these ridiculous, conspiratorial metaphysical
conclusions based on words being this the.
Speaker 2: Son of God as you n as I've dogge the
gold too, son of God us all in therefore they
are controlled well BALI.
Speaker 1: And I mean, like you said, like I knew enough
philosophy and theology and apologetics in the two thousands of
be like, this is dude, what are you talking about? Like,
those are two different words. They don't mean the same thing,
just because they sound phonetically the same. But there was
this whole sort of side market of phonetic you know,
conspiracy stuff done by people like Zeitgeist and Jordan Maxwell.
I never got into them. I never got into William
Cooper either. A lot of a lot of old school
conspiracy people had this. I always thought that guy was
ridiculous and stupid, you know.
Speaker 3: At the same time, a friend of mine recommended Bill
Cooper's book. Another friend that worked at the same hotel
is like, you got to get this book, dude, but
you gotta be careful because if you buy this book,
you get put on a list.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that. I remember people saying that
at the time, like the two thousands, like, if you
buy Behold a Pale Horse, you're on.
Speaker 3: A list, dude, that's you're on the list. Man, you
got you're on the red Legs.
Speaker 1: Jamies And they're cracking up because she was buying conspiracy
books in the two thousands, two and stuff. She's in
there laughing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I was, I mean, I was, I was
Legit was kind of worried. I was like, man, how
can I get this book? I'm I definitely it online too,
So I don't know how I do. We always use
my parents, have my parents by my parents Amazon, So
then they when they come to put him in the
FEMA camps, they'll go, I'll just be somewhere else later.
Speaker 2: Whyn't.
Speaker 1: You're like, it's it's like twenty twenty five. Your parents
are like aged into krepit, and they're like, why are
we being put in the FEMA cap And some government
goon is like, uh, well, we have on record from
Lord Bezos that in nineteen ninety eight you bought the
Hold of Pill Horse from Amazon, so you were on
a list.
Speaker 3: That I like Bill Cooper back then. Man, Bill Cooper
was cool. He uh when you actually when you read
Behold of Pale Horse, there's sections of it about alien stuff.
But he he kind of did a good retcon on that,
and he says in his lectures he's like no, He's like,
I'm one hundred percent. I think he wrote this in
the book too.
Speaker 1: I think I know he had a change, right, he
changed his position.
Speaker 3: Well, he says, he's like, I think they were He says,
I think they were feeding me a lot of fake
documents to just make me try to He's like, I
think a lot of the stuff that came across my
desk were intentional disinformation that for the purpose of possibly
discrediting me. So that was his cope of why he
you know, when he's when he wrote that stuff about
the aliens. But apart from the alien stuff, the Behold
the Pale Horse book was pretty eye opening and interesting
and at least opened the door to start researching some
of these other weird things. I mean, and they you know,
he did he did. The death was it was it
was very suspect what happened with his death.
Speaker 1: Well then, yeah, there was accusations at the time that
you know, because he had called out Alex and said
Alex was fake, that Alex had Bill Cooper. It was
just I just thought.
Speaker 3: Big thing that had a big thing. Yeah. Cooper hated Alex.
He he was always saying, how Alex is Alex is
a shill.
Speaker 1: He's also at this around this time too, in the
in the early to mid two thousands. We're actually moving
into the later two thousands, but there was this was
the beginning of the theory that Alex is Bill Cooper,
I mean, is Bill Hicks, which is it's always been
ridiculous because I remember I used to watch Bill Hicks,
do you know, evening at the Improv and whatnot in
the late eighties and into the nineties, and that's this
was around the time when you you know, you see
the picture of Alex from high school when he's like
buff Alex. You know that that old nineties picture of
like super buff Alex Jones when he.
Speaker 3: Was here, you go, Jay trying to cover for his
freaking big for his big money. Alex here to cover up.
Speaker 1: I gotta cover up.
Speaker 4: But so we're supposed to believe it like this eighteen
year old dude, right who's like buff at the time
of the early nineties, the same time is Bill Hicks,
who was like still fat, cigarette.
Speaker 1: Smoking beer swilling, you know, stand up comedian who's like forty.
Another reason people have this dumb theory is because Bill
Hicks was doing well, but he was doing uh and
he was doing activism about Waco, and he might have
been he might even he might even be in Wake
Up or Waco at one section, I can't remember.
Speaker 3: But yeah, well they did. They did have overlap too,
because who was who was his videographer, Hicks's close friend
what was his name? Hicks had a really close friend
that was.
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, forget Yeah that's what it was.
Speaker 3: You know, so they knew each other, they actually knew
each other. But yeah, Hicks, the timeline doesn't add up
if Hicks was Alex. And you see Alex now he
looks healthier, like he's starting to get in shape and stuff.
I saw that picture of him the other day he posted.
He looks younger, he looks like he's not drinking so much,
and he's lost quite a bit away lifting again. So yeah,
he looks like around the age that Bill Hicks looked
when Bill Hicks died supposedly died whatever, I mean, I
hope my checks in the mail jay better better paid.
Speaker 1: Well, it's just it's funny looking back on you know
a lot of a lot of these two thousands Eero
conspiracies and health dumb, dumb, so many of them were.
But also around this time was a big one that
popped off with Aaron Russo, Freedom to Fascism, which called
attention to the Federal Reserve and to plans that that
the elite had. And actually I clipped that section about
feminism and put it on Twitter a while back and
it got quite a bit of views because there's about
a two minute section where Aaron Russo talks about the
Rockefellers designs for the feminist movement and why they supported it.
And that's kind of a gem and that will always
be I think popular from that documentary. But that's most
That was.
Speaker 3: The best part of the documentary. Now, whatever happened, because
he part of the thesis of the documentary. As he
was saying that he talked about Mike, You've already talked
about getting chipped. It was like, yeah, everyone's gonna be
oh yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: The microtis I forgot that. That's a key part of
that was.
Speaker 3: A big one. I think that was the most alarming
part of it, that that's the end game.
Speaker 1: Now a couple more normy bad documentaries, propaganda wicked documentaries
from this time period, not too long after Bowling for Columbine,
and we get a few years later an Inconvenient Truth,
which is massive. I mean, it really did its job
to convince so many people. Remember remember the hockey stick
graph and how the and it was so big because
of the polar Bear was gonna drown floating on the iceberg.
And I mean it was just massive.
Speaker 3: Moment of the polar bear on the iceberg. But dude,
polar bear swim That polar bear got on that iceberg intentionally.
They do that all the time.
Speaker 1: My German professor in undergrad so this comes out when
I'm taking German class. She makes us watch Inconvenient Truth
and write an essay on it. And I remember writing like,
first of all, what does this have to do with
the German class? I mean, it's just I mean no,
she's just like, it's just the way college operates where
it's like you're taking German and they want you to
watch this out war propaganda movie. Right, it makes no sense,
but that's just how education is, right.
Speaker 3: If I ever watched it, But yeah, they were showing
in schools there. I mean it was it was huge, man,
and there was there was so much misinformation and fraudulent
information in that. And then you remember the IPCC scandal,
the climate gate scannal that happened right.
Speaker 1: Because Alex popped when they busted that as a scam,
Alex popped champagne on there, remember that, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And that's been forgotten. That's been why does nobody talk
about that anymore? Like to me, that was that was
such a huge thing. In two thousand and seven, the
International Panel on Climate Change at the u N was
caught frauding, defrauding the world in order to stoke fear
and tell you that the world's ending. I mean, this
was I know, it's actually it actually reminds me of
what the media did recently with like you know, Trump's
a Nazi, like twenty Project twenty twenty five. Everyone freaked
out about this thing. That's like, you know, that's not real.
But yeah, that and this is I mean, we're still
dealing with this, the repercussions of this, and it's coming, man,
the next year or two, they're they're for sure going
to revamp the whole you know, climate terrorizing people with
climate stuff, because that's that's you know.
Speaker 1: That's never that will never go away.
Speaker 3: No, No, it's a it's here man. I mean, we've
got you've got this huge drought in South America right now,
and you know, like blackouts, I mean we have we
have like twelve we had fourteen it was fourteen hours,
fourteen hour blackouts last week two weeks ago. And it's
coming back. Yeah, now we have we have six hours
a day without without electricity, and it's it's not due
to climate change, right, but the narrative that the kind
of neoliberal US puppet government that's only living off of
IMF money, that their narrative as well, this is because
of unforeseen climate change. This is their drought cycles that
happen all the time. And here we have reliance. A
big part of the energy grade is powered through hydro
electric generation. So you got these big dams that will
you know, these big dams that will create these reservoirs
of water and then that water goes through these turbines
and generates tons of electricity for the country here. And
then there are also some of them that are on
flatter rivers where there's less of a pitch and and
not a drop off where they don't have an embalsa
and a where they don't have a catchment and it's
just a free flow of water that goes through these
turbines and generates electricity. Right. These these were all built,
most of these were built by the Quorea administration which
left in twenty seventeen, but there were also there's also
backup power of like thermo electric generation like thermo plants,
which is just giant diesel generators. You know, you burn
diesel or you can burn natural gas and create electricity. Well,
the neoliberal regime that came in here like seven years
ago just gutted the whole. They gutted the state, right,
this is what they do. So you've got, you know,
billions of dollars worth of equipment that's rotting because they're
not upkeeping it. They're not fixing these motors, right, and
they want to blame it. They're saying, oh, no, it's
because the previous you know, they they didn't finish building
these these hydro electric dams. The dams are bad. We
don't like, we don't like what he did, what Korea
did to actually build all the infrastructure in this country.
We want to privatize everything, right, because Korea nationalized oil.
He was kind of on the naughty list of the
US for a long time. He was not like a
Goadaffi level character, but he was not in friendly relations
with the US State Department. Anyways, what they've done is
just let all go to shit. They've let all of
the infrastructure rot. They haven't done any maintenance on the
hydro electric generation plans and they haven't kept with the
long term plan the COREA developed and his administration had
to increase the production of electricity to meet the new
demand because there's always more demand for electricity, right like,
look at everybody with their devices. Now you know there's
growing population. You need more electrical generation for the grid
to handle it. But anyways, you go through a drought,
and these same drought cycles happen every like sixty years
or so. You get a big drought where it might
be three four years when you're not getting lots of
rain in these areas, and then you don't have enough electricity.
But they're going to say, no, it's climate change. Right
So now in Ecuador, that's climate change and the government's
completely broke. They took five hundred million dollars. The president
took five hundred million dollars from the SELECT, which is
this like the state state electrical company, and he paid
the IMF with that instead of doing maintenance on the
power grid. Now there's blackouts of fourteen hours. But the
IMF releases a statement congratulating Ecuador on lowering their invent
SMIT risk because they paid the IMF with the money
that should have been used to fix the freaking country.
It's like the perpetual cycle in South America is But
now they're saying, well, it's because of climate change. And
the president the other day just announced because there's an
election coming up and he's gonna lose, he's gonna get destroyed,
like Kamala level destruction. He says, we're gonna give four
hundred dollars a month, which is a lot of money
in Ecuador, to youths who are gonna participate in climate action.
And so he's gonna get four hundred dollars a month
in the next three months, which is right before the election.
He's tried and trying to buy votes, and he's using
IMF money to just give out four hundred dollars for
and they're not gonna do anything. They're gonna say like, oh, yeah,
we're doing climate action. But I'm pretty sure that this
is just part of the secret that you have hidden
loan conditions with the IMF, and part of that is
to like invest in climate change resilience programs and stuff.
So they're probably gonna have these kids, you know, go
around and I don't know what they'll have them do,
but they'll get four hundred bucks a month to fight
climate change in a country that has no electricity for
fourteen hours a day because the uh because it's supposedly
broke and it doesn't have money to fix the electrical grid.
But it's climate change, right, and you just keep you
can just keep doing this scam. You de electrify all
these third world countries, you remove their ability to use
what they call fossil fuels, which is all a huge
scam too, right, And and then you blame it on
climate change. So look, we gotta we got to stop
using cars. You can't have cars. We've got to make
the price of gas higher because of climate change. And yeah,
so you can think al Gore and the Inconvenient Truth
and all the billions of dollars of marketing and Madison
Avenue brainwashing for for this kind of cultural climate that
allows us to be is perpetual state of terror and
trepidation that the weather, which never supposed to change.
Speaker 1: Every time you fart, you're basically causing hurricanes. Yeah, so
humans shouldn't exist and then we'll have peaceful sunny days.
Speaker 3: Exact.
Speaker 1: Now, a couple more big ones from the two thousands
before we leave that era of the two thousands in
the normy sphere. One of these actually kind of overlap
into the alternativeda sphere. Supersize Me two thousand and four
and Adam Curtis's Century of the Self and Power of Nightmares.
Those end up being huge documentaries that actually continue to
have steam into the twenty tens, because if you guys remember,
it was about twenty seventeen. I'll never forget this when
Kanye tweeted out about Century of the Self, and people
kind of sense, hey, Kanye is on some kind of
a journey here. But one of the movies, one of
the documentaries that he watched was Curtis The Center of
the Self. Did you find either Supersize Me or Century
of the Self to be impact?
Speaker 3: I didn't see them until later. I didn't see until
maybe twenty eleven or twelve.
Speaker 1: That's probably relative the one.
Speaker 3: What was the other one he made? There was a
Century of the Self, and then Adam Curtis like hyper.
Speaker 1: Power of Nightmares. There's another one, hyper or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought the hyper normal is that was an
interesting I mean, the concepts are interesting, but it kind
of had this almost like neoliberal assumption underneath it of
like but it's like this, the Russians that are doing
all this stuff right right right, yeah, assentially of the self.
I remember enjoying it. I mean it's isn't it a
few hours long?
Speaker 1: Like it's a pretty three three or four hours long
for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really like that. I enjoy when when something
when they put in the energy and the time where
you got to kind of watch it in chunks. I
that's missing now, like you don't have that anymore, you know.
It's it's the attention span is fried. All of our
our minds are nobody can do it anymore.
Speaker 1: Also, towards the end of the two thousands is the
beginning of John Taylor Goddo's materials being promoted particularly by
Richard Over at Tragian Hope, and you know, the whole
sphere of education and the homeschooling. Remember Brett Venot's podcast
school Sucks. Podcast was pretty popular in the alternative media
sphere for many years. So this is around the two
thousand and eight to twenty twelve period. Lesser known documentaries
from that period Truth Rising. I'll never forget that because
Alex played the ad for Truth Rising so many times
and it had Luke confrontings at Brazenski and you know, Lucas,
I'll never forget it because I've heard it so many time.
Luke asked the question about some of the Big Nine
and resenting, he goes, sit down and shut up because
he's had these these and then Luke asking Bill Clinton
famously and Clinton going how there you how that was
his response to Luke.
Speaker 3: It was amazing, dude, that that was the best era,
the we are change that was, that was the best
they were. Yeah, that's crazy. I mean Jason Burma's Luke Radowski.
Speaker 1: It was pretty wild. Like I mean, Luke had balls
of steel, man. I mean, I would have been scared
to go up to you know, Rockefeller and all these
characters and ask these questions.
Speaker 3: But that was it was so inspiring. But it was
was like a it kind of it synced up a
lot with kind of like nineties punk kid vibe. You know,
it was kind of this it was like this rebellious
you know, buck the system, like we know the systems corrupt,
and then it took it to this other level of
like we're gonna confront on camera, right these people, and
and he was coming in armed with with not just
with not just like balls, but he would ask them
really cutting questions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, he had the great the best sort of
get down to the point, you know, why are you
funding this? If you know blah blah blah. How you
know I forgot that.
Speaker 3: I mean Luke was involved in Loose Change right like he.
Speaker 1: Started look started used to Lose Change with that other guy.
But Truth Rising was a we are Change in partnership
with Alex documentary because Alex would would kind of make
and produce these documentaries with Burmas with Richard Grove because
they ended up making.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he would buy him right like he would help
because he had audience, right, so he would help push
it out.
Speaker 1: But there's also the uh Richard Grove Alex documentary. We'll
get into that in the twenty tens. Minds of not
minds of Man. That's that's Melissa and Aaron's but state
of mind, which is which the state of Yeah, state
Mine's men is great. State of Mind is forgotten too,
But that's Richard and Alex's production. But but yeah, Truth
Rising was was Alex and Luke. And then before we
leave the two thousands, people are asking about Loose Change.
Of course we mentioned it the Loose Change was the
first thing we talked about, and you got maybe you
guys just got here. But we've already covered essentially all
of the two thousands era, you know, key documentaries that
stick out. There is one remaining. There's a couple obscure
remaining ones from around two thousand and eight, nine ten
before we leave the two thousand that we have to
mention the biggest of that period probably would be Obama deception.
I mean, obviously loose Change is up there, but Obama
deception was massive. This is where Alex really broke into
the mainstream. Fox News is talking about it. Alex goes
on Fox at different things. This is probably around the
time of the Piers Morgan video and Alex goes viral
through yelling at Appier's Morgan about seventy to seventy six,
and do you I mean, obama sception was just so
massive it took Alex to the next level. I mean,
it was the next level well Alex.
Speaker 3: Alex was kind of he was on a tear at
the time too. I think he was at like peak
just like peak Alex manickness, you know, like he was
so intense and he was so I mean, uh, yeah.
I just remember he got he went so far with
some of it that a lot of people were just like, dude,
this guy, Like was wrong with this guy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, some people were mad about the Peers Morgan thing
made people mad. Yeah, not everybody.
Speaker 3: I was mad at the Peers Peers Morgan. There was
just like this guy. People were like, people were postulating
that he is he wanted to try to make everybody
look bad and then that's why he was doing this stuff,
you know, like Piers Morgan and just freaking out. So
a lot of people were upset. They're like, this is
bad optics. It makes us all look like I remember,
it makes the pro gun control people think were unhinged.
So that that was.
Speaker 1: I never I didn't, I didn't dislike it. I always
thought it was like intentional sort of character showmanship, and
it was theatrics, and I thought, I mean, that's just
what Alex always does so well.
Speaker 3: I think just being young at the time too, and
just being so being so jaded by the whole even
within the whole like truth movement thing, seeing people that
were really sketchy, and I mean, you know, anybody who
gets involved, you know. Two thousand and seven, two thousand
and nine twenty ten era, and like local politics, you
start to see that corruption, infiltration, and just weird shady
stuff happens even at the local level in small towns,
like in places like California. I remember, you know, he
had somebody that was trying to get like a libertarian,
trying to get elected a city council and just seeing
how conniving and fake the whole election process is, like,
you can't even you can't even run as an Independence.
So then she had to register as a Republican and
try to run as a Republican. So then you had
to get people to register as Republicans to actually vote
in to actually get her on the ballot. Even so
all this stuff was just just so ridiculous. But then
you also I remember seeing, you know, we'd have these
libertarian like type meetings. We're trying to get rid of
smart meters and you know, make sure that because they're
always trying to push for fluoride in the water too
in Santa Cruz County where we lived, so we'd have
to constantly be pushing back against them trying to put
fluoride in the water. And you go to these meetings
and there'd be like fifty one hundred people there. But
then guys would start showing up, like there was this
Clinton operative that would show up in a small place
and medium sized place in Santa Cruz. And he would
show up and he'd smell like brandy. This guy was
a total drunk and he actually worked with you, worked
for Bill Clinton, was in the White House with Bill Clinton.
I forget this douchebag's name. This guy was awful though,
and he would always cause a scene anytime there was
like you know, after we watched like Aaron Russo's Freedom
to Fascism, and at the end of it, he would
always he would be half drunk, greeked of alcohol, but
didn't act super drunk, so you could tell he's like
a functional alcoholic, right, And he would be he would
start ranting about nothing and just start wasting people's time
and trying to argue with people about petty stuff and
redirect the conversation and the useless avenues. And I just
remember seeing stuff like this and and thinking like, man,
this this guy's not a fed you know, he openly
worked for Bill Clinton. He has no reason to be here.
He's can completely ideologic, ideologically opposed everything we're doing and
every time he comes in here, he's trying to get
people's names, he's trying to get people to say things.
It was very strange. So seeing stuff like that at
the time made me also super paranoid about you know,
anybody that had a big following, like, oh wow, you know,
there's so much infiltration at the small level. Therefore, who
knows what's going on like the national media level.
Speaker 1: I think everybody has that kind of phase too, and
uh in some degree where you kind of as you
go through experiencing and learning all these things. You you know,
you go you have that phase where you're like UFOs
and the kind of out there stuff, and then then
you kind of go through the oh, everything's part of
the conspiracy, see and everybody's an agent and you have
that that thought process as well.
Speaker 3: I don't the Obama deception era that for me, it
was a little bit of that because I was maybe
twenty four years old twenty three is still young, and
just kind of just overwhelmed by all this stuff, right,
you said, you learn all this stuff in a short
period of time, and then you start trying to take
action and you're just kind of hitting your head against
the wall sometimes and it's like, well, why do you
even care about convincing people about some of these things too? Yeah,
and then you started heading out with people in that
same sphere, and everybody got their own little pet obsession, right,
You got the guy that's obsessed with the Jesuits, the
guy that's obsessed with the other Jays.
Speaker 1: No, it was very much that way in the two thousands.
There were there were like these niches and it was like,
you know, everything was that group, and you had to
believe that, you know, to kind of be in that niche.
It was. It was very factional, I guess you could say.
And really the only broad appeal at this time was
Ron Paul related. I mean that Ron Paul is really
the focal point for a lot of this stuff throughout
the two thousands and less are so Alex because you know,
Alex was seen as the conspiracy there's the king of conspiracy. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But but Alex was also like one of my favorites
at the time too, you know, he was you know,
I would listen to him all the time, you know,
from the time I heard of him. I think my
grandma actually told me about him back in like two
thousand six or so. She used to listen to him too,
but she was really paranoid. To my grandma, she's like
Alex Jones, that Alex Jones, he's a Judas goat. She
she had read Michael calling Piper's book about the Judas
Goat's like the you know, fake right wing infiltrators.
Speaker 1: That I didn't know. I have his book on the
JFK stuff. I didn't, but I didn't never get into
other elements others final judgment. He had some good right,
you know, it is pretty good. I just didn't get it.
I never got into the other stuff from Michael Collins Piper,
but I remember that era and I remember I to
read the Spotlight. I would go to you know, Jim
Tucker's Spotlight website. Read that pretty consistently, and uh if
I remember, isn't it a big part of endgame that
Alex is. It's like is it Chantilly Virginia Bilderberg that
year and I think he interviews Jim Talker and I
think Daniel Esslon aren't they also in excell?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, we had talked about, like last month when
we did that stream, we talked about doing his book
on on Tavistock. Right, there's another new book on Tavistock
by Coleman and asked you Lynn how to didn't.
Speaker 1: Askin's book summarizes Coleman's book. But Coleman's book is old,
but now it's reprint that you can buy it.
Speaker 3: Again, Okay, Yeah, damn Man. And there was also Anthony
Hilder Anthony J. Hill.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's the next that's the Yeah. Hilder's documentary I
remember having an impact on me. This is toward's around
twenty nine or ten when I saw it. It might
be a little bit earlier, but it's Illuminati and the
New World Order, featuring an Any J. Hilder, David Ike,
and Jordan Maxwell. That one was a very popular documentary.
I remember that because that was the first time I
remember hearing the idea because it was David Ike was saying,
in these rituals, the elite uh tapping into realities outside
of fall since reality, you know, he was talking about
the Satanic rituals and they tap into these energy. That
was the first time I've ever heard that was was
in that documentary.
Speaker 3: Well. I remember also Ike's the Credo Mutwa interview is
like three or four hours long talking about you know,
the Shawmans and like, you know, cryptids and tying that
in with inter dimensional demonic stuff, and then somehow tying
that in with the well, no, they're actually physical shape
shifting reptiles. That was. That was a really funny time too.
I don't know what year that came out, but I
saw it, maybe in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bought. I mean, I still have mine David
Ike books, but I would hear in there pick up
at use bookstores. You know, what's the biggest secret of
all those old school Ike books?
Speaker 3: My grandma said. My grandma liked David I.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was super into David Ike. I mean, I
believed she had all these She would buy every book.
She would buy so many books. She wasn't she was
not well off too. She was like not financially well off.
She should have been buying so many.
Speaker 7: Books, and she she would she signed up for you know,
it wasn't American Free Press, that uh, the newspaper thing,
and then she would she would always order the books
that were like at the end of the.
Speaker 1: Cast, was that America Free Press was that connected The
spotlight in Jim Talker America Free Press.
Speaker 3: I think so. I think it may have been. I
mean it was kind of like it was conspiracy stuff
combined with patriot type stuff. Yes, and it was you know,
you had to you get on the list. You're on
the list, man, you buy that magazine, you're on that list.
You get you're gonna have a red dot on your mailbox.
And that means that when FEMA comes through, you're you're
going to the U you go, You're going out the outdoor, right.
Speaker 1: Pat con right, the patriot conservative.
Speaker 3: I still have to read Whitney Painter's book. Do you
have Whitny Painter's book?
Speaker 1: Whitney Painter, Who's that?
Speaker 3: You said? Con right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I've not read a book on it. I
just remember that. I mean I've I'm familiar with that
domain because I've read critiques of uh, that sphere of stuff.
For example, Tarcolely used to critique it pretty heavily, and
he would talk about the funding and the people behind it.
Alan Watt for years and years and years would go
after the pack con people and bow Grits and all
the kind of the fake uh you know, sovereign citizen
people throughout that whole bunch of fakery. But there are
several characters in that.
Speaker 3: The Secret Lives is Benathy McVay.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, and that that overlaps, that overlaps with what
we're talking about, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean pat con stuff, and it's talking
about the nineties and the Patriot movement and infiltration from
Christian identity. The user and she, I guess, the writer.
There's a great series of interviews with her, and I
was like, I got to get her book and read it,
but I haven't read it yet, but she talks about
she's she's really into like Thomas Pinson and stuff too,
so I think she's got like kind of a kind
of pension esque writing style. But the story is crazy, man,
Like when you really look into the McVeigh stuff and
what happened with you know, yes, well it's absolute madness.
Speaker 1: I was going to say. Also, as we begin to
leave the two thousands, Yeah, the two thousands one of
the big ones. Right on the cusp there is Noble Lie,
the famous documentary about okay see, and not too long
after that, maybe twenty fourteen, we also get the rise
in this in the alternaive media sphere of Corbett, and
I think Corbett did a lot to really try to
at least substantiate all of the so called conspiracy stuff
and ground it in real world you know, proofs, and
he did really good with a lot of he like
he did a big oil series in documentary. I remember
that being really powerful. He was way ahead of the time,
ahead of the times when it came to a lot
of the tech stuff. And I'm not trying to Discorbett.
Maybe he's still putting out information I haven't really kept up, but.
Speaker 3: Well, I think he got kicked off, right, you know,
that's hard to find people for that. Yeah, but I think,
like Mark Passy on some of those retards.
Speaker 1: The other thing that Corbett dead was he was one
of the first to have these bite sized things go
viral about things like the Big Nine events. So you
had had, you know, loose change and that kind of stuff,
but Corbett was churning out stuff about the Big Nine
that would go viral on the regular and that's actually
if I re call went ended up getting him booted
from various platforms. But he also put out a thing
on McVeigh which was really really well done about the
Black Ops usage of McVeigh. It may tie into what
that book you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Did you ever see It's so crazy. I mean there's
stuff comes, there's dentists, there's always dentists.
Speaker 1: Did you ever see Corbett's thing on McVeigh, it's really good.
Speaker 3: Did you talk about the dental work, about his dental
records and his medical records.
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I just remember him going into a
lot of depth about sheep dipping and all that kind
of stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh no, man, he's surround there's so many weird
people surrounding him. It just it gets really crazy. They
are all these like cult figures that have connections all over. Yeah. Yeah,
I've got I've got to read Aberration now now, No,
I'm a I got it on my desk. It will
be read.
Speaker 1: Now in my analysis. There's a couple more from the
two thousands before in the enormy sphere before we get
into the twenty tens. Did you ever watch Food Ink
or Aliens of the Deep from Cameron? I remember Aliens
of the Deep was a big thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, food Inc. What year was Food Ink?
Speaker 1: Footing is two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I remember Food Inc. And I mean Food Inc.
I think it just came down to like well, everything's
basically corn and soy and it's all GMO.
Speaker 1: I think that was in Yeah. And then did you
ever see Cameron's Aliens of the Deep, which was which
you think the reason that was it was? It was well,
it was so remember when James Cameron had this big
made a big deal in two thousands about he had
put all this money into this craft that was able
to go deeper in the oceans than anyone else had
ever been.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he got obsessed with that after Titanic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so the whole documentary is supposed to be
and I remember watching it when it came out. It
was a big deal. It's like all of these weird
sea creatures no one's ever seen because James Cameron went
deeper than anybody else. That was the whole thing. But
but what the reason it's called Aliens from the Deep?
Believe it or not? If I recall, it was actually
trying to shoehorn an alien stuff. It's like, you have
a hard time believing in aliens. Look at these weird
ass sea creatures. There's probably aliens. That's that's like where
he's going with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's kind of a shitty business. But
it's like you're you're basically relying on the assumption that
your audience is going to be stoned enough to get
in that mind. Whoa dude, Every every creature is like
an alien. Have you seen a praying mandis, dude?
Speaker 1: But no, it's like these under sea creatures that all
look kind of like aliens. That's the whole thing.
Speaker 3: But if you ever looked through a microscope, dude.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and that looked like it looks like aliens, but like,
probably there are aliens.
Speaker 3: If you like, if you like smoking up o g
cush and you just get really really close to a
beatle bro or like an ant, they're aliens, dude. Have
you seen their eyes? Their eyes are so big, dude,
they're freaking aliens, bro.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. That's if I remember. And I haven't seen
Aliens from the Deep since it came out, but that's
what I remember, and I remember not too long after
this is when James Cameron goes on to working with
NASA and promoting a bunch of like nap is the
crap and you know, mars literal alien bull crap.
Speaker 3: And then but then what's funny is he fell off
so hard that he made some the gayest documentary ever made,
the Game Changers, like twenty Game Changers.
Speaker 1: We're not we're gonna get to I've got it on
the list, don't worry. But we're not too twenty We're
not to twenty eighteen. Yet we're almost there.
Speaker 3: What I'm just laughing at the chat. So it's like
Jamie packs a bull.
Speaker 1: We're going to decide if aliens exists watching these James
Cameron documentaries about the ocean. Let's see. Okay, we're into
the twenty Now here's the bad part about the twenty tens.
In my opinion my analysis, this is where documentaries begin
to go down the route of the New Age bull
crap and pretty much being completely shifting towards leftism. Alex
doesn't really go for documentaries anymore. He's built up enough
of an audience that he's not really doing big documentaries.
By twenty sixteen, we get Trump. Alex is full on
board with Trump, so there's not really Alex types making documentaries.
Burmas does continue. Burmas makes Shadow Shadow Whatever Masters look
at the name of it. He makes a couple more.
There are some good documentaries though, in the twenty tens
that stick out in my mind, one of which is
Mirage Men, And for me, Mirage Men really settled any
latent doubts that I had about the Black Ops side
of the alien phenomenon. I think Mirageman really if.
Speaker 3: You paid document.
Speaker 1: Another big one is Open Secret. So twenty fourteen we
get the you know, first major ped o expose of Hollywood,
Open Secret. That was a huge deal, a lot of
people talking about it, a lot of attention, a lot
of buzz, and a lot of censorship and shutting down.
So you know, we know there's something big. Do you
remember Open Secret when that was everybody's talking about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I don't think I ever actually saw it,
but I do remember it. What was the watch it?
Speaker 1: Because they go into you know, quite a few, you know,
pretty pretty big name Hollywood people at the time, it's
it's worth watching.
Speaker 3: Maybe I did see it.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean they spent a lot of time on
like Brian Singer and people like that.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I saw I saw Open Secret. Well, wasn't
there another one after that?
Speaker 1: There's one called it was about Rome called I think Spotlight.
But Spotlight was like liberal media made, so you know,
I'm not saying that it's not telling the truth. But
the Catholics poop poo didn't din't pay attention because it's like, oh,
this is being made by the you know, liberal Boston
media or whatever, so we don't have to pay attention
to this. It's it's just liberal as if there's not
actual like you know, SR going on to the Catholic Church.
So so Spotlight didn't have as much of an effect
as I think they hoped it would, but probably not
many of these documentaries at all really did. I mean,
most documentaries don't have a huge effect. I mean, people
like you and I remember them and they impact us,
but they don't change the world really, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3: Well, there's should now documentaries do nothing, and I think
the reason noad No, yeah, no, it was there was
a time when when there was less stuff on the Internet,
when there was less video content. Now it's just you know,
infinite you have infinite content. You know, there's infinitely multiplying,
and people make stuff just to make stuff, so there's
no there's no artistry to making a video and posting
it on the Internet anymore, and even longer form videos
like you know, twenty minute video essays or something that
some of these guys will make. There's still good stuff
out there, but if you want to be doing stuff
like that, you still have to be making one every
two weeks or one every month, so you don't have
time to make you know, ninety minute or you know,
two and a half hour documentary like you would back
in the day. You know, back in the day, you
can make a documentary like that and then promote it
for a year, and it would be relevant for a
whole year. But with the way that the algorithms are
designed and the way that people's attention span has been
fried by the algorithms, right, and the way that monetization
is incentivized pumping out useless content, it's not worth it,
so you're better off. You can't spend time on projects
like that anymore. It doesn't make sense monetarily, and it
doesn't make sense with the flow of information and with
the with the news cycle, right, like it's too fast now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it's weird because everything has completely changed since
even the twenty tens. It is not at all like
it was. That's a really insightful point. A couple other
documentaries that are were sticking out from the twenty tens
that were pretty important that I They may be earlier,
but I saw them in the twenty tens. Great documentary
light Bulb Conspiracy. It's a classic. Have you seen it?
Speaker 3: Oh I don't. I don't think I saw that one,
but it is I said about how light bulbs are
used to last forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, essentially it's about planned obso lescens really really good documentary.
It's a classic. Everybody should see that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for real, that's minds minds up man, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
minds the man. Minds the Man was great. It was
it was long. It was like four hours long, which
I like that. I like that. You know when somebody's
gonna put the time into making a documentary that's that's
really dense with information. I mean that was It was
like a book in documentary form basically, which is appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember we uh, we got invited to the premiere.
We were we were friends with Animalista at the time,
and went went to Austin and hung out with you
all the ballroom crew and went to the Almo draft
House and watched the premiere. There had a lot of
fun and it was it was. It was great documentary.
A lot of great information. Also during this time period,
I remember this being a huge deal. Everybody talked about it.
I didn't really, I didn't watch it. I didn't think
it was gonna be that interesting. But did you watch
Oliver Stone's America series where he contrasted America in the
Soviet Union? This was a huge documentary series, maybe three parts.
I remember everybody talking about this at the time. Did
you watch it?
Speaker 3: No? No, I actually don't remember.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 3: Last thing I saw from Stone was is the Putin interviews?
Speaker 1: There's that. But also twenty eighteen's Ukraine on Fire from
all over Stones. Yeah, that was a documentary that was
a big one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was good.
Speaker 1: Shifting away from that domain, the twenty twenty ten's also
saw the rise of I guess maybe the continueuation. Maybe
this has kept Coast to Coast alive. But Missing four
one one uh David David Polid's and the stories of
missing people from the National Parks, which is still going.
This is still going, in fact, uh, Missing for one
one has multiple parts to the documentary. Now, if you
go on the spooky conspiracy side of YouTube, uh, there
are channels with millions of subscribers now covering uh Missing
four one one type stuff separate from the original documentary.
Speaker 3: But polity, it feels almost nostalgic. I mean it's creepy.
It's more I don't like that that's happening. But as
far as just it reminds me of you know when
when I was a kid and you go to the
library and you get the weird you get the weird
cryptid books you start reading about Bigfoot and lochness and aliens,
alien abductions on. It reminds me of those times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well exactly, it's it's no I was just gonna
say that that missing four one one is really the
last remaining popular dome like fun conspiracy domain. And like
you said, I don't mean in the sense of it's
fun to talk about people dying. But what we think
of is like coast to coast type stuff, the entertaining
sphere of so called conspiracy radio and media.
Speaker 3: That is right, that's stuff that's not like you're gonna
be you're gonna get murdered, right, and you're being poisoned stuff.
It's more like light. It's not directly effect.
Speaker 1: It's more entertainment, right, I mean, you know, coast to
coast is always essentially entertainment, you know, crazy people calling
in about time traveling and this kind of stuff, and
the remaining I guess keeper of the flame of that
is the missing four one one stuff which probably dominates
coast to coast. I haven't listened to that years, but
let's see. There's also things like Room two thirty seven
that was a big popular documentary in the twenty tens,
Jay Wiedner other people with their theories of the shining
very popular in the alternative media conspiracy sphere of things.
Journeyman Pictures in the twenty tens puts out quite a
few documentaries. I remember watching documentaries on Ukraine when they
had the coup my don Ku. I remember watching Journeyman
picture documentaries on Serbia other places where there had been
you know, Western covert action. Did you ever watch any
Journeyman picture stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think so. I think so. Can you name any.
Speaker 1: Well, like if you were, if you were, you know,
follow us a twenty first century? Why are you know? Patrick?
For years? For ten years now really has been every
Sunday he was He's put up some documentary. So over
the last ten years, many of those documentaries were, you know,
Journeyman pictures.
Speaker 3: The shorter form though, right like they are, they're.
Speaker 1: Like twenty thirty minute.
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. Okay, I've definitely seen quite a few
of them. Yeah, you know, something that comes to mind too. Yeah.
As far as just documentaries, one of my favorite ones,
I told you this earlier before the show. One of
my favorite documentaries, there's nothing to do with with conspiracy
or anything, was Werner Hertzog's Grizzly Man.
Speaker 1: Actually, I'm glad you mentioned it. I have not seen it,
but when I was looking up, you know, most popular
documentaries of the last you know, three decades, that one
comes up in the top five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. It was such it was just so
well done. It's such a like touching creepy. I don't know,
it's just it's great. It's one that sticks with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to watch it, kind of. I guess
it's kind of embarrassing.
Speaker 3: Gaming's gotta she's probably seen it.
Speaker 1: She has. Yeah, I'm like the only person that I've
never seen that, and I've never seen Breaking Atam, Like
the one person that's never seen either of.
Speaker 3: These Breaking That kind of sucks. Isn't that worth watching?
Speaker 1: Behold on that topic, though, of twenty tens, we also
get this turn towards the New Age, and so documentary
films begin to take pretty consistent I mean they'd always
been kind of left but even in the alt media sphere,
we get, for example, the Thrive documentary twenty twelve, Rive
comes out. I looked it up. It's still got seventeen
million views on YouTube. This this goofy new age documentary,
kind of like twenty twelve's version of Zeitgeist is. I
guess one way you could say what Thrived is. There
was another one too that came out and I forget
the name of it, but around the twenty mid mid
twenty twenty tens, and it was about the occult and
it was something like you know, the Controllers or the
something like that. It was really popular, did you Oh?
And then one of the biggest normy documentaries around this
time is What the do We Know?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Man, I remember that Quantum Consciousness? Oh? Is it that?
I thought it was twenty ten? Let me say, I
thought it was late two thousands. Let's see, I could.
Speaker 3: I hated that. That was so annoying, man. The editing style,
the narrator, the like yoga chick vibe. It was so bad,
but there was skits in it too. It wasn't like
half of it acted at.
Speaker 1: It's you're right, it's actually two thousand and four. I
probably just didn't see it until I remember watching it
in two thousand and seven or eight, and yeah, it's
really it's it's it's the you know, initial introducing people
to quantum thought and quantum New Age crap through documentary style.
You get the same type of stuff with Zeigeisten Thrive,
So you know, some of these the documentary start to
go in this direction. Also at this time there was
the popularity of will actually maybe even go back to
the nineties. HBO has always kind of on the side,
you know, every now and then made these popular documentaries
about all kinds of things, including cults. Did you ever
see newburg Sting. That's one of the probably one of
the most relevant of the HBO documentaries because it's all
about how they entrapped these sort of stupid Muslims. Now,
everybody should watch newburg Sting. It's a classic. It's it's
one of those HBO conspiracy documentaries.
Speaker 3: It's surprising that they would that HBO would actually put
that on television.
Speaker 1: It was surprising as we get into the twenty tens
in the normy sphere, there are this one Matt could
overlap a little bit. You've got Snowden twenty fourteen, the
Citizen for documentary. That's a big deal. Snowden was huge
at this time. Ever, he's talking about Snowden. You know,
the prism Assiste surveillance, a keyword system. You know, are
you are you on the show or you just wandering
away like Biden. It's like you're like, wander off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's something shining over there. Sorry.
Speaker 1: Did you watch any of the Wiki leaks era stuff,
the Snowden era documentaries of the twenty tens?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean I don't remember. I
couldn't name any of them. I couldn't name a single one.
Do you remember.
Speaker 1: Citizen four is the Snowden documentary from twenty I.
Speaker 3: Don't think that's there was There was a Dint Stone
make a feature film about.
Speaker 1: Yes, he did the Messenger or is that about the
That might be about the journalists, But there is a
you're right, there is a Snowden film by Oliverstone. But
did you watch any of the economics documentaries that got
to be really popular? After the two thousand and eight
housing collapse, like Inside Job and Too Big to Fail,
those were huge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, definitely. Well, I remember the whole occupy thing
got really big in two thousand and seven eight that
started on my campus at you see Santa Cruz, So
that was that was weird. Yeah. Yeah, they took over
the like the what's it called? I forget what office
it was, but I think this is two thousand and
it's two thousand and eight or was it two thousand
and nine, But I remember because at the time I
was also like there were all these documentaries like, uh,
I don't think the CHEMTRAI the Major Comtrail wanted to
come out yet the what in the world are they spraying?
That might have been like two thousand and nine, but
there were some of these like Carnacom. You remember the
Carnacom documentary about.
Speaker 1: Yes Cliff Carnacom.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was going to talk about some of those because
those are twenty ten era as well. Using the code language,
you know, this would be like what on earth are
they shooting into the atmosphere? And then the other one
Sea Trails, The Secret War, which was a great documentary.
Those still hold up by the way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was really freaked out in California at the time.
It was a lot of a lot of that was
happening right Like there was every day you would wake
up and it would just be crisscross across the sky
and it was so blatant, and you know, I was
super freaked out about that. I remember during the occupy stuff,
all these kids had occupied the I forget what the
building was called. It was like the staff building at
U See Santa Cruz, and I remember going in there
and just you know, they're all camping in there and
they think they're changing the world, but they're all they're
all they want is free stuff tuition basically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll never forget like the the videos where Peter
Schiff goes down on Occupy Wall Street and starts debating
with them, you know, like gold, Uh, we're gonna need
to go back to a gold based currency, and he's
arguing with like these you know wook wooks with dreads
on the street. It was it was just a goofy time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I remember going in there and just yelling
at them, like, look up at the sky, you guys
are protesting and they're freaking spring you with Boison, and
they all thought I was like a schizo person because
I was. Yeah, I was like the alone. It was
after class, and I just like, I'm so done with this,
so so mad. I was looking up at this guy
and I'd been like doing all this research and reading
them about all this stuff.
Speaker 1: And well, it's funny because you know, Occupy Wall Street
was kind of the left answer to Tea Party, right.
I remember the rise of the Tea Party and the
Ron Paul Rampaul sphere and there used to be Tea
Party meetups and all this, and and then the left had.
Speaker 3: Their year after that, like the Occupy started.
Speaker 1: And it might have been first. I thought Occupy was
just supposed to be the left.
Speaker 3: I think the Tea Party, if I remember correctly, the
Tea Party was in reaction to that. Like, I think
you're right, but it was the Tea Party was like
there was nothing for the conservative types. There was just
the leftews that occupy.
Speaker 1: That's a good that's a really interesting question. Yeah, I
think you're probably I think you're right about that. I
think it was the other way around.
Speaker 3: Because Tea Party was Obama. Obama Obama y Tea Party.
Speaker 1: You're right, Tea Party is formed in opposition to Obama
in twenty ten, so you're right, this is post occupy,
that's correct. And that's when Tea.
Speaker 3: Party movement happened before twenty ten too. I think it's well,
non no, maybe it was twenty ten, but I thought,
I think the movement itself started and then there actually
became some sort of a party, the Tea Party.
Speaker 1: But it was it was it was like a boomer libertarian,
you know thing, and they didn't like the rough Republicans.
That's actually probably that's the origins of you know, today's
critique of Rhino. When you hear that, you know, when
you hear that term rhino, that's kind of coming out
of that era of the Tea Party and trying to
wake people up to the to the duopoly, the problems
of the two party system. But the reason.
Speaker 3: Was it was it wasn't even Ron Paul stuff. It
was like the Tea Party.
Speaker 1: It started with Ron Paul. And then what happened was
I remember this vividly because I was I was, I
used to go to Tea Party stuff. Then what happened
was the neocons started coming in and it was like
I forget who some of the first neocons were that
united themselves to the Tea Party and they started showing
up and speaking and they would get booed because they
we don't want neocons at our thing. And then Sarah
Palin united herself to the Tea Party, and that's when
everybody kind of like the Tea Party had been completely
sort of co opted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just always I mean, at that time I
perceived it as very boomer and naive, but I was
just probably a little bit more extremist, and I mean
I I wasn't a libertarian, but at least uh, you know,
at that time, I definitely resonated more with like the
libertarian stuff. And then we you know, we kind of
kind of got involved with the Ron Paul thing and
saw how that was railroaded by the Republican. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean people have to understand, like at this time,
there is the only thing that exists as conservative is uh,
you know, You've got like paleocon Pat McKinnon types and
like Laura Ingram and and Colter, and then you've got
the Ron Paul Rand Paul, Alex Jones libertarian and that's
that was really your only options there. There weren't you know,
no sustaining as these other right winging dissident right or whatever.
None of that existed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh no, it didn't exist, And there wasn't a
lot of the extreme. Like the extreme people were Libertarians
that were kind of just orbiting the Ron Paul stuff.
But then they all had their own, their own fringe
kind of uh niche ideas, but then kind of coalesced
around Ron Paul because it was like, well, you know,
f the Fed, we got to get rid of that.
You know, let's let's at least, you know, unite for
a common cause. But I think the you know, the
the infiltration and the shattering of that was pretty it
was pretty brutal, you know, and then what what they
did to Ron Paul at the primary, it was obvious
and everybody lost the hope in getting any sort of
work done in the Republican Party until you know, Trump
came came and picked up on that. I mean, by
that time, the wave was so big that normal people
really like most normal people realized that there were huge problems.
Speaker 1: I think you can make the argument that they're without
Ron Paul and Alex Jones, there never would have been Trump.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't know, that would not have happened. It couldn't
have been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you needed that, you know, decade and a half
of preparing the ground swell for this kind of you know,
bigger level change. And it's obviously it's not perfect, it's not,
but it's the first real shift in the right direction
I think we've seen at the scale and forever. And
it's just interesting that it's you know, it's it's now
in the era when documentaries don't exist anymore, that they
don't matter. Nobody cares about documentaries. I don't remember the
last documentary I remember seeing that I thought was really good.
I mean, I like The Missing for one one, but
it was actually the Netflix documentary on Mary Terry's book
Ultimate Evil and Son of Sam. I think most people
thought that was a really good documentary series. Did you
watch that? And you and I watched The Oh Show?
That was really good. But that's like twenty eighteen. Oh yeah,
that was great, Wild Wild Country. That's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was really good.
Speaker 1: That was good. Those were good twenty ten era documentaries.
Holy hell, was a really good thing.
Speaker 3: You got you got the past list here, you're so prepped.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I listed them all I remember, Holy hell, that
was a great documentary.
Speaker 3: Look good.
Speaker 1: The Source Family documentary is really so. There's a good
cult documentaries that were made in the twenty tens.
Speaker 3: Documentaries are always good that we need more cult documentaries,
but they make like really corny ones. Now, remember the
last one we watched it was about the uh.
Speaker 1: I watched that one about the the dance cult, the
seven m Dance Cult on TikTok was pretty wild. Watched
twin Flame, watched the whole Till the.
Speaker 3: Till Swan boring these days?
Speaker 1: Well, the Cult the till Swan documentary was was okay,
it was pretty good.
Speaker 3: She's kind of boring too though, She's just like, I'm
kind of the bitch bit cult. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could have been shorter, uh than it was.
It was a little too long that Hulu documentary tell
us about Uh oh, I forgot. This is a huge
one that had a huge impact twenty ten's going clear.
This was a massive blow to scientology. Millions and millions
of people saw this and saw how crazy scientology is.
I think that was a huge one. Remember that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I ever watched it. I might
have seen it, but.
Speaker 1: Oh, man, it's it's you should watch it. It's it's
especially where they go into like the compounds of what
happens at the common and that part's all crazy.
Speaker 3: I remember that, does any does he talk to what's
his name he tries to Does he tried to interview
Cavendish or whatever?
Speaker 1: Uh Miskavag, Richard Miskovic, Miskage talk show hosts or something?
Uh No, I think everybody turns them down. Nobody gives
any I don't. I mean it's been I haven't seen
going clear since it came out, but I remember it
being really you know, it's like this this destroys scientology.
Speaker 3: Had something to do.
Speaker 1: I thinks she had a roll with that, and then
that's what led to her. You know, she went on Rogan.
Rogan was talking about it a lot. That made it
really popular. Oh, now, going into the domain of propaganda,
one of the worst disaster examples of propaganda. Of course,
shout out to John Adams for reminding me of this,
But it makes perfect sense because we've been talking about
it in regards to the election. The Cony twenty twelve fiasco. Now,
I watched all of that. I watched all this firsthand
because This was one of the clearest examples of overt
State Department propaganda documentary and Alex covered it, you know,
in detail, exposing it at the time. And the guy
that was behind this push, that Jason guy, had a
mental breakdown in in the midst of this push for
the cover for Africam to go in and you know,
take resources. This whole point of the Coney fiasco, This
was basically pushed by a lot of evangelical groups. I
remember my on my university campus. I remember ripping down
all the Coney posters that the evangelical groups are putting up.
So if you guys are wondering, you know, twelve years later,
that was me. I was the one pulling down all
the Coney posters every night as you put them up.
And it may be mad because the evangelical groups were
all one percent just blindly supporting the idea that we
need to go in with the military to find Joseph Coney,
and I just thought I was stupid all this one.
This really woke me up to a lot of the
way NGO's and the way that the evangelical sphere especially
can be duped by the Pentagon in the State Department
as you know, really pushing soft power in their idiocy
is to be so stupid and naive is to think
that suddenly the US government cares about finding this random
warlord suddenly in twenty twelve, as if it's not a
cover for africom Right, which is Pentagon directives and operations
to find the resources in Africa. That was what it
was all about. And again, but to come back to
the main point of the documentary was being pushed heavily everywhere,
especially on universities and by Christians. Christian evangelic groups were
pushing this County twenty twelve nonsense like massively because the
Pentagon told him to. And Alex was one of the
key figures really trying to bust open this propaganda. And
he didn't even have to because the main guy that
was a frontispiece for all this, this young guy named
Jason Something that was kind of doing the media push
and making the documentary, had a gigantic public mental breakdown
I think in La or at San Francisco, stripped down
naked and ran out into public and had a mental breakdown.
Maybe he was on shrooms something like that, and that
effectively destroyed the entire Cony twenty twelve syop. It was
pretty wild to watch that happen.
Speaker 3: Sounds pretty base.
Speaker 1: Did you remember that the Jason guy.
Speaker 3: Go for sure? I remember that I never watched the documentary.
I remember thinking, why is this everywhere? Why is everyone
tell me watch this super documentary? And because everyone's telling
me to watch this, there's no way I'm watching it.
So yeah, I just I just kind of waited it
out and I was like, okay, yeah, it was a
syop of course.
Speaker 1: And then coming up into more modern times in recent years,
twenty I want to say this is about twenty nineteen,
maybe twenty twenty. The infamous Black Hebrew Israelite a documentary
going around that all of the black bros and NFL
and rap people and NBA guys are pushing, which caused
a huge stir because it claims, of course that blacks
are the true Israelites. It becomes labeled an anti Semitic
documentary and whoever that basketball Remember the when the NBA
guy shared it and he had to apologize because he
shared the the b h I documentary. One of the
big NBA people, Kyrie Irving, Yes, exactly, thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that was before they made before Kanye.
Kanye was pretty upset about that. He kept talking about,
look what they did the Kyrie. They did the Kyrie.
And then there was also around the same time, wasn't it.
I don't It's not what is that guy's name? I
want to say, Aaron Carter's not Aaron Carter, Like it's
not Lil bow wow. But it was like that one
of those young rapper guys, a little like a little black.
On his podcast, he said something about, you know, the
the Chosens and who was it? And they made him,
they made him publicly apologize and he did he.
Speaker 1: Anyways podcast and and Nick Cannon, remember there.
Speaker 8: Was that we was the you know, Louise, the real Jews,
And and then I think he tried to double down
a little bit and say nine and I an't apologize.
Speaker 3: And then a few weeks later he's like, I'm here
with Rabbi Schmooie. He's so cool looking.
Speaker 8: I'm here with Rabbi Schmooley to promote his his lovely business.
Speaker 3: He needed like a whole, a whole apology tour. And
like I said, what I said was so horrible. I
can't believe it. I'm so sorry. I love the real,
the real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh uh. The funny thing is that this is,
like you said, it goes back earlier. I think the
documentary is a little bit older because this Black Keeper
Israelite stuff had made in some way made its way
over to uh yay in some degree ice Cube, uh
and a lot of the other you know, popular famous
black people had sort of begun.
Speaker 3: They were those communities that's kind of like their thing,
you know, they've had their own little version of It's
actually more it's more long lasting and more useful, it seems,
than even the serpent seed stuff. It's basically the same thing.
It's the serpent seed, you know, wide identity stuff, but
for black dudes, and that's been around for a while.
I mean it goes back like Nation of Islam, the
five Percent Nation, which is kind of this offshoot of
Nation of Islam stuff. Yes, they all have similar ideologies
and similar structures to their organizations and then really similar
fruits that kind of yield some Yes, and.
Speaker 1: This ties into also, I believe even the domain of
like jay Z and the whole idea of like Hova.
In that period jay Z had gotten into and have
been influenced by Nation of Islam stuff, so like Feracon
stuff at that.
Speaker 3: Point, I think it was even more five percent type
stuff probably.
Speaker 1: Too, isn't that But isn't that part of Nation of Islam?
That's the business side of Well, it's like.
Speaker 3: This weird offshoot. It'd be fun to do a stream
just on all that stuff, because I mean, the Wu
Tang guys are really into the same stuff. In New
York is a really good point in the East Coast,
really big in New York and among like it. In
the seventies, a lot of these kind of gang guys
and community organizer types real into that stuff, you know,
like black panther types flirted with some of those ideology.
It really just comes down to race idolatry, right Like.
Speaker 1: Well, but but there's a parallel sphere of black conspiracy
that's kind of parallel with all the alt media, you know,
libertarian white people conspiracy domain. There is also this there's
this adjacent like black conspiracy stuff the whole time too,
which has a few characters putting out you know, documentaries.
Professor Griff obviously is on part of that.
Speaker 3: Even Professor Griff in the Cannabis, that guy he had
like this whole album called Melanin Melatonin Magic, Melatonin magic.
But they get all obsessed with like melanin is a
magical substance. Melon is like Melanin is like is the
fabric of the universe. The whole cosmos is all just
built on melanin. And the white man is so like you,
freaking punk as whities, useless honkys. You you don't even
have melanin as much as as much as the real
the real heaps have and because of that, you are
worth less. You have no psychic abilities. You can't even
be out in the sun for long.
Speaker 1: But I was created by yakub, so I can think.
Speaker 3: You're gonna be my all, gonna be my slave. You
ain't even you ain't even white. You read you read you,
the you, the you, the seat of the serpent.
Speaker 1: Oh speaking speak speaking of that parallel uh, you know,
non libertarian white people conspiracy domain. There's also the less
known and less tapped sphere of Islamic conspiracy theory, particularly
in the late two thousands. Do you remember The Arrivals.
That series was very popular on YouTube, millions of views,
and it was just just a whole bunch of it
was like Muslim conspiracy theory videos about the the dej
and the gin in music videos of pop culture.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, that was around the same time as
all the syncral mysticism videos were coming out, so people
would those videos. That was another funny fun time on
the internet conspiracy world, the syncral mysticism stuff, where it's
like they'd take all these clips from g I Joe
and then find from September, the day number eleven of
September from the two thousand.
Speaker 9: And one they would get the you know of videos
from that and then show how we'll look at the
this exact angle on this news clip and then yeah,
it would just be so skitzo.
Speaker 3: But some of the connections that they would make, it
was like it was fun to watch, yeah, right something
It was like a puzzle that you're watching these weird
syncro mysticism videos. But yeah, that was probably made by
a bunch of Feds or stoners, yeah, or both fed stoners.
Speaker 1: Now, a couple I left out, I forgot apologized. One
of the more obvious ones I should have remembered and
known right away is this is actually in early two
thousands documentary. I didn't watch it until about twenty ten
or eleven but I came across it because of doing
Eslter Hollywood, and that is the documentary Operation Hollywood about
the Pentagon's role in Hollywood. It's a very very normy,
very you know, kind of left, but it's it's still
got some good insights and information. I did think that
more recently, the Jehan lecar A documentary was pretty good
that had some pretty good in sites into espionage. And
then the other documentary in the espionage fear that's really
good of recent times is the William Colby documentary that
actually FDA told me to watch. If you've never seen
the William Colby Doug, it's made by his son. Obviously
he's dead, but that's a really really good espionage documentary.
I recommend it. It's called Uh, the Man Nobody Knew
in Search of My Father. That's a great documentary. And
the John lecar A documentary that I think Apple TV
did is a really good documentary of recent note. But
other than that, that's essentially for me, everything I can
think of in terms of, you know, documentaries that I
watched and that I recall, and you know, the ones
that really stand out are aren't the ones you might
think the ones that stick out in my mind is
really kind of changing my mind on issues. Was certainly
you know, dark secrets inside Beheming Grove convinced me of
the reality of the power elite meeting in secret meetings
and doing weird stuff. Franklin cover up and Ted Gunnerson talks,
you know, really kind of solidified for me the role
of SRA that kind of stuff. Obviously loose change in fable,
enemies played a big role. Corbett on Okac and Noble line.
We're big ones in my mind, minds of men, a
mirage men, light bulb conspiracies, open secret, We're big ones.
But that's about it. I mean, I mean, there's value
in a lot of these other ones, but for me,
those are the ones that really stick out as kind
of being pivotal, you know, things that kind of change
my mind on topics.
Speaker 3: You had a great list there, man A, that's a
great topic. I'm glad you. Glad you suggested it.
Speaker 1: May Well I thought about actually John Adams suggested we
do a podcast on it. So out out to John
because he kind of had that idea. But also I
forgot guys, if you do want to watch the documentary,
the one documentary I am in. It is Seawn Stone's
documentary with me and Oliver Stone and others called Hollywood DC.
I will put that link right there. This is from
some years ago, maybe twenty seventeen, I think it's when
that came out. But it's a good documentary if you
haven't seen it, it kind of goes over the base.
It's a better version of Operation Hollywood. But we got
a few super chats. Anything that you want to leave
us with, Tristan in terms of doctum, Oh, tell us
about lastly, Game Changers. I remember you doing a great
critique of this when this came out. What is that
all about?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Well there were a lot of these like
vegan propaganda documentaries that came out around this time, but
the one that got the most funded was we were
talking about James Cameron earlier and you know you made
all those weird documentaries and he sorry, yeah, he funded
and made this documentary called Game Changers, which was all
about how if you go vegan, your pepe is going
to work better and you'll get more harder boners is
and then you'll have a You'll you'll just become this
super jacked uber athlete. And yeah it was. It was
one of the corniest documentaries you'll ever see. But there
are tons of momentum behind this. It was at a
time when a lot of the people in the vegan
activist movement on YouTube were getting a lot of attention,
right and they were doing street theater and terrorizing small
family farms and stuff. So guys like earthling ed and
they're this whole network of vegan influencers and they're all
funded by and I expose this years ago. These people
hate me too, so I just I stopped interacting with
any of these people because they're just Their movement basically
fizzled out after the Game Changers came out. Nobody cares
about veganism anymore. It's not even a thing like they're
they're these people have become irrelevant culturally. But at the time,
as far as YouTube goes, they were getting a lot
of attention, and they would try to debate people and
you know, convince them to go vegan, and you know,
some people were dumb enough to try the things that
they suggested to them and that malnourished themselves on a
vegan die. But Game Changers was James Cameron. It was
his his for into activism, and he actually bought this
huge compound over in New Zealand and wanted to turn
it into some you know, like vegan paradise or something.
I think it ended up falling apart and he might
have sold it. It's where a lot of the elite
are buying land in New Zealand. I don't know what
it is about New Zealand, but a lot of them
are kind of hedging their bets on owning some land
in New Zealand and building compounds there. But it turns
out that James Cameron also when he was promoting this
documentary about well stop eating meat and eat vegan food, well,
the main vegan food that he wants to promote is
pea protein powder, pea protein isolate. So yeah, it's not
urine pee, but like peas is the little green things.
So he bought shares in, or maybe I think might
have been half of the shares in, uh, like the
biggest pea protein isolate production facility in North America or
perhaps the world, and that was in Canada. So he
he had a you know, vested interest in promoting this stuff. Well,
it turns out that that pea protein stuff was killing
a bunch of dogs. They put in a lot of
dog kibble and they were getting kidney failure and the
problems with their blood, like blood clotting type stuff. So
I ended up being a real failure in the dog
food world because they were saying, well, you just transition
your pets, all of the cat moms, and you guys
got to be vegan cat moms, and that's going to
save the planet. And the weather's not going to change
if you do that, and you know, all the good
things will happen, and if you don't, then all the
bad things are gonna happen with climate change, and climate
won't stop changing and all aren't you scared? The polar
bears aren't gonna be able to swim if they're up
on an iceberg. It's because of you, because you eat meat.
So this the documentary was horrible. It was it was
completely it's it's actually funny to watch because it's such
it's such stupid propaganda, Like they bring these young guys,
these kind of I don't know if they're I forget
if they're college level athletes or if they were NFL guys,
and they they bring them to this doctor and he
starts telling them, well, you know, vegan diet, you get
more frequent and harder erections, so they like strap a
device to their weans at night and they measure how
like the the hardness of their pens while they're sleeping.
Speaker 1: I remember you talking about this now when you were
making fun of the documentary. I remember this now.
Speaker 3: It was the stupidest thing. Yeah, I mean, it was
just it was a lot.
Speaker 1: This brings back like twenty This is like twenty eighteen,
twenty nineteen era Tristan streams, because I remember I listened
to all those I remember. I remember you.
Speaker 3: Covering all those that was good. Those are good times,
good era, like debating vegan gains and all those idiots.
Speaker 1: My question is like, so you know, I don't. I
know you've been busy with other stuff, but have you
have you kept caught up on or checked in on
the vegan sphere of YouTube and the internet.
Speaker 3: And it seems like they have not checked in on
them that often. But I follow a lot of them
on like Instagram, and but I don't get this. I
don't get into my YouTube feed anymore. I don't really
I don't engage with them as far as but what I'm.
Speaker 1: Wondering is do you think all of that propaganda that
they were rolling out so hard from twenty sixteen to
twenty twenty two, I mean, has has it essentially failed?
Or do you think they're still kind of on the rise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think it's completely failed. They're being funded
a lot with the big funder of all these channels,
funds like Plant Based News, likely the funder behind the
major donor behind guys like Anonymous Voice for the Voice List,
who's there's this group of vegan dorks who took the
anonymous esthetic and the guy fowx mask and they go
and they stand and they hold like slaughterhouse footage and
then they get one of their guys like they just
stand there still with and they don't say anything. They
just stand there like statues and hold a computer and
it shows the poor animals being killed at slaughterhouses. And
then you know, they do this in cities where people
are completely disconnected from their food supply and have no
idea like you know what it what it entails to
grow food and produce food. So you know, people were
raised on Disney movies and Bambies anthropomorphizing animals and thinking
that they're always like your best friends, and they they'll
have somebody try to convince them and debate people in
the street, and then the harvest clips from that and
put it online. But if you look at these channels
in these videos now, it's just it's just an echo chamber.
Maybe they would say the same thing, the same thing
about you know us, but it's just created this really
tight echo chamber where they're constantly coping with these each
other and the language, and they're still meming about stuff
that we were making fun of them for in twenty eighteen,
twenty nineteen. There's still a lot of these people are
still obsessively they're still like debating us in their minds,
trying to trying to pone us.
Speaker 1: And well, I remember at one point, yeah, like you
would see ask Yourself and Vegan Gains all over YouTube,
Like everywhere you went, they're Vade debating here, They're over here,
there was stuff I'm all in your debating. They're over
here debating Vegan gains over and it seems like no
one cares about any of these people anymore.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think Vegan. I mean I haven't seen
a Vegan Gain Gains video and forever. I think he's
just super depressed and obese and miserable. His wife is
like totally trans now or something. I don't know. These
people are Sadly, a lot of these people are really
mentally ill and they're living they're living out their little
little lifestyle and it's just exacerbating the problem of the
mental illness chicken their egg scenario where it's like, did
the nutritional efficiency make you mentally ill? Or did your
mental illness drive you to making religion out of chronic
nutritional deficiency? And yeah, I know. The hard part about
engaging with vegans is they just they mass flag and
they they are engaged in all the gay ops tactics,
so it's not it's just not you, just it's best
and not engaged with them. You know, they get they
get your channel completely shadow band through just mass flagging
and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So check it. Checking in all vegan gains. He has
a channel that's twice are bigger than mine and he
gets the same amount of views on his videos and
can't even pull two hundred on a live stream. So
because he's got one hundred and ninety eight on a
live stream.
Speaker 3: Right now, Yeah, let's go watch it.
Speaker 1: I can't play video when I got a guest on
collab cam. But uh, I'm gonna have to end up
pretty quick here because we had to go get update
from the airport. But we got some super chats.
Speaker 3: Before.
Speaker 1: I was thinking that having any connection to you was
a bad idea. Before I even met it was called
It's called quantum. It's called quantum toxicity. There's quantum toxicity
that you have where people know before they even know
you that they shouldn't, So it's called quantum toxic.
Speaker 3: Well, you have to add me on because I have
so much blackmail on you, and I've got I've got
pictures of you.
Speaker 1: You've got picture of me and my.
Speaker 3: VI you don't want to see. Yeah, now Jay's squirming
in his seat. I'll just say one where Jay will
know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Me with Vegan gains in my van gay phase, me
and Vegan games.
Speaker 3: If Jay doesn't, if Day doesn't cooperate, the audience might
know about his quantum foam. We'll see. That's what I'll.
Speaker 1: Say, Maverick Joes three dollars. I gottahurry up. Did you
guys ever watch Europa? The last battle I have not
is it a movie or a documentary.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I remember. The Greatest Story Never Told that
was another really big one twenty seventeen or eighteen?
Speaker 1: Is that a health one? What's that about?
Speaker 3: No, the greatest story Never told that was the like
uh you know, funny mustache Man is my new Internet
dad face?
Speaker 1: Oh that one? Yeah, that was going around popular in
the twenty in the twenty tenths.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah it was. I mean it was. It's an
alternative history, revision's history about World War two and pre
World War two.
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Hee hitting that review exactly, glowy review,
hit all the hit that all the day. Three dollars.
You should get a mortal technique on. He's a cool guy.
I haven't thought him.
Speaker 3: He's not actually cool. He's actually unhinged weird.
Speaker 1: Oh really like what and what like how just.
Speaker 3: Like shrugged arrangement syndrome and oh he hates he goes
out live and just like rants and yelled at people,
and he's he's kind of a boomer.
Speaker 1: Kristen twenty dollars, very cool, chill stream. Love the memories
and the stories of these real life conspiracy truths exactly.
Matthew Sober twenty dollars on twenty one. I put a
good amount of money into bitcoin a few months ago.
Now I want to commit harder. Should I wait for
a dip to get in or asap? Yeah, it's hard
to say, because you know, we're moving into new at
h territory. So if we pop to one fifty two
hundred in the next six months, then what that means
is that the new low will be the sixty tier.
So if you're looking to get back into it at
the sixty ish tier, that's probably not going to happen
until we hit the next pop off high and then
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the next crash is, So I don't know whether it's
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Dave ten dollars, Love you guys. Have you seen Tom
Hanks written a directive film that thing you do? I
have seen that. It's esoteric and that movie I.
Speaker 6: Did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a you know, music industry type thing, right.
Speaker 3: Themes breaking my heart into.
Speaker 1: Yes, Jamie, maybe watch it actually, so I have said
br Shadow three dollars. What was the main consequences of
getting initiated into something like Theosophy spiritual delusion total of
twenty three dollars. Tristan, I lived near the aforementioned base
that you said in regard to U se sc I
was asked to go into to go view those spheres
in nineteen ninety three. I discounted the notion that it
could be real. I saw those red spheres moving hypersonically
across the horizon and hiding amongst stars near Davin Park, Devenport.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, that's funny. Yeah, I saw some of that
stuff too. I've also I saw I saw a weird
experimental craft there and then also those like one at
one time, one of those triangle things. This triangle craft
actually came right over during the middle of a It
flew over Santa Cruz in the middle of a fireworks display.
I don't think it was Fourth of July, but it
could have been for July, and I took a I
had I didn't have the camera on a tripod, but
I took a long exposure picture of it because it
was coming off way out off the horizon, like over
the bay, and it just flew right over us. When
it was kind of amazing because it was it was
totally quiet and it was, you know, triangular in shape
and had a big orb in the middle of it
and then lights on each point and it was just dark,
you know, and uh it just.
Speaker 1: Cool story, bro. But we got a hurry. I told
you this. I mean, you're just basically hurting FDA every
time you talk. I just well, I wanted to know
that a non ten dollars. Glory to Jesus Christ. Now
when ever to Ages of Ages? Thank you, Joe Anon
five dollars. What do you think about the Orthodox American
American Orthodox film trailer? I've not yet seen it, but
I will check it out. How do you see Orthodox
films influencing culture? Well, again, I mean, documentaries are only
going to go so far, so I'm not saying it's bad,
but it's just not the era, unfortunately, of documentaries anymore.
Gary two hundred dollars. Thank you so much, fat Sy
we Chat. Thank you Jay for these BTC predictions. It
is good to see the stunning and brave Tristana back
on the stream. Absolutely, We're glad to have a beautiful
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the relationship with the John Birch Society and Alex. I
mean Alex is talking about General Mitton, K Parton and
early John Birch people for decades. I've had we had
a dinner with Alex and talked about it, so I'm
familiar with that. But thank you. Storm of Cat ten
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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on, mister j Dyer, Jay d
or j d Thank you for unmuting me, reminding me
to unmute always. Sometimes I just forget to unmute and
then I just hear this beautiful boy. I got to unmute.
But could you tell tell Jamie to get you a coffee?
And then uh yeah, I'll see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well we gotta go in an FDA, So thank
you for coming on coffee, great show.