WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.600 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that 2 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:03.879 I've been on for most of my life. Ever since 3 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:05.799 I was a kid, I've heard tales of Bigfoot and 4 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.320 wild men while spending time with my friends and family. 5 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:11.439 As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, 6 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:14.679 my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened. 7 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.160 That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 8 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:21.640 I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The 9 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:25.280 Untold Radio Network is a live streaming podcast network that 10 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.359 airs a new show every day across all podcast platforms, YouTube, 11 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.119 and more. 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It's free to subscribe. 21 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.400 So what are you waiting for visit www Dot Untold 22 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:06.560 Radio network dot com today? 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.680 Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going 24 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:12.359 on here. Something just kid with my dog. Something killed 25 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:15.719 your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over the tree. 26 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:20.319 I don't know how it did it? Okay, Damn, I'm 27 00:01:20.359 --> 00:01:22.840 really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over 28 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:24.519 the fence and na would dead and once you hit 29 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.560 the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw 30 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:28.000 was my dog coming over the fence. 31 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:44.599 Mad. 32 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:49.680 Are you reporting we got some wonder or something crawling 33 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:58.439 around out here? Did you see what it was? It 34 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:01.400 enough out here looking. I'm new to one down now 35 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:08.840 and I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello, 36 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:12.759 hit the buddy out here? What quent on out there? 37 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:15.319 I thought of a bitch about tech foot nine. I 38 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:18.280 don't know, easy and out there. Yeah, I'm walking right, heady. 39 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:20.840 I'm from some Welcome our guest to the show. It 40 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:23.680 is Mitch from Michigan. Welcome to the show man. 41 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:25.280 Thank you for having me. 42 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:27.919 I've been looking forward to this. I appreciate your rescheduling. 43 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:29.919 I know we had some scheduling issues in the past. 44 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:32.439 I appreciate you working with us and getting back on 45 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:35.599 to talk about your experiences. Let's get into this bigfoot thing. 46 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:37.879 Let's start where I start with most people. What guy 47 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:40.280 you interested in the subject of bigfoot to begin with? 48 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:42.879 I was one of those kids that always had an 49 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:46.560 interest in the paranormal to begin with, just whatever I 50 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:51.159 could find about the subject of bigfoot, aliens, ghosts, things 51 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:53.080 like that. For some reason, I've just always had a 52 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:54.039 fascination with it. 53 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:57.039 That's where most people start with this. It's what happened 54 00:02:57.039 --> 00:02:59.039 with me. I got interested in cryptids at a very 55 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:02.960 young age, the Lockness Monster with my cryptidive choice, and 56 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:05.199 then I was hearing bigfoot stories in and around the 57 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:07.120 area I was growing up in North Georgia. So I'm 58 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:08.800 definitely right there with you when it comes to that. 59 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:11.120 But I know you here to talk about some experiences. 60 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:13.120 Let's get into your experiences. Why don't you take us 61 00:03:13.159 --> 00:03:14.520 back to where you were, what you were doing, and 62 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:15.439 tell us what happened to you. 63 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:20.120 Okay, So a little backstory going into this. I have 64 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:23.599 always really been into off roading and camping and backwoods 65 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:26.520 hiking and things like that. The state of Michigan has 66 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:30.280 miles of off road or RV trails as we call them, 67 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:33.879 and there's different types for dirt bikes, four wheelers, side 68 00:03:33.879 --> 00:03:36.280 by sides, and then the jeeps and everything like that, 69 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:40.919 and it's all based off wheelbase size. So there's got 70 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:43.319 to be a few thousand miles of trail like that 71 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:47.319 in the northern half of Michigan's Lower Peninsula, and then 72 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:50.199 one thousand more in the Upper Peninsula where it's much 73 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:54.000 more rural. Up there, it's almost like a completely different place. 74 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:59.520 So in January of twenty eighteen, I bought my first 75 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:01.960 brand new four wheeler, and I was taking this thing 76 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:04.159 out every chance I had, like even in the middle 77 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:06.919 of winter. We had a pretty mild winter that year, 78 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:08.879 so a lot of the places I was going to 79 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:11.360 were just like frozen mud pits and it was a miserable, 80 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:12.759 but you got to get out and play with the 81 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:16.120 new toy, right, So we had a pretty good break 82 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:20.040 in the weather in April that year, and I decided 83 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:23.040 to go to this little camping spot that I grew 84 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:26.399 up going to. I've been to this place several times 85 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:30.600 over the years. This campground is pretty isolated. The road 86 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:33.040 to get to it is probably about seven or eight 87 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:35.800 miles off of the main road that you take to 88 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:39.319 get to the forest entrance, and when you get to 89 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:43.040 this campground, it dead ends at a lake. And there's 90 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:46.360 nothing else on this lake. There's no houses, there's no nothing. 91 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:49.439 It's just a rustic wroral campground. You got fire pits 92 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:52.079 in an outhouse and that's all you get, and a 93 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:54.519 cleared out area to set your tent and everything up. 94 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:58.040 So when I went up there, the whole area was 95 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:00.800 pretty well floated out with snow melt water. I was 96 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:04.199 going through probably needy water holes just to get back 97 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:07.920 to this spot. I get there, I'm the only person there. 98 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:11.000 There's no one else around. I didn't even see another 99 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:15.360 car on my drive in. I didn't see any thing 100 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:17.680 that gave me any reason to think that somebody had 101 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:21.800 been there. No fresh tire tracks, no garbage. There still 102 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:23.319 was a bit of snow on the ground, but no 103 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:26.319 ice on the water. But there was a few spots 104 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:28.240 where I could see snowmobile tracks, and it was one 105 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:32.720 of those things where there was still snow in the 106 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:35.040 spots where the trees would cast a shadow during the 107 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:36.560 daytime I. 108 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:37.279 Got up there. 109 00:05:37.480 --> 00:05:39.279 I went up there after I left work that day, 110 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:42.360 and I got up there at about seven thirty at night. 111 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:46.240 And mind you, I'm in a tent and I've got 112 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:49.279 all my stuff in my truck. That whole time I 113 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:52.360 was maybe it was about six thirty or seven o'clock 114 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:55.160 at night, that doesn't matter. Pretty late in the day, 115 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:58.079 and the whole time I'm out there, I'm here in 116 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:02.240 things that sound like rocks getting thrown into this lake. 117 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:06.319 I'm not seeing any birds, and I know that there's 118 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:08.600 migratory birds that come through the area in that time 119 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:12.079 of year, but I'm not hearing geese honking. I'm not 120 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:15.600 hearing ducks quacking things like that. It's just these random 121 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:18.560 little splashes in the water that I'm hearing at different 122 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:22.079 times throughout the day. And it never failed that. It 123 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:24.439 was like I would look out at the water, right, 124 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:26.639 I'd look out at the water, and then i'd turn 125 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:28.279 around to get something out of my truck, and then 126 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:33.800 I'd hear a splash. Okay, this is interesting. So it 127 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:37.399 gets dark out, I cannot find any dry firewood, so 128 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:39.959 I'm screwed there. I had stopped and got something to 129 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:42.519 eat on the way up, so I wasn't too awfully hungry, 130 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:44.759 so I just I had my tent set up. I 131 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:47.720 crawl into bed, and I'm zipped up in my sleeping bag, 132 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:50.680 laying on my cot and I go to bed that night, 133 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:53.319 and I fall asleep that night. Whenever I go out 134 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:55.759 on one of these little trips, I always wear a wristwatch, 135 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:57.959 just so I don't have to fumble around looking for 136 00:06:58.040 --> 00:06:59.399 my phone if I wake up and want to know 137 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:02.160 what time it is. I look at my watch and 138 00:07:02.439 --> 00:07:06.560 it is about one. I think it was around one 139 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:09.439 thirty in the morning. I'm laying there because like it was, 140 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:13.959 something just jolted me awake. Don't know what it was, 141 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:18.040 just this jolt. I'm awake, I'm alert, dark, my eyes 142 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:20.319 are looking around. Of course it's dark. I can't see anything. 143 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:24.600 This lake is it runs northwest to southeast right so 144 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:27.240 at an angle, the long part of it does. And 145 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:31.680 from the north end of this lake, I hear something 146 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:34.720 that sounded an awful lot like a wolf calling, like 147 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:36.639 a wolf bang, like hell on at the moon like 148 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:40.439 in the movies. So I hear that one he's on 149 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:43.120 the far end of the lake. And then a couple 150 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:46.920 of minutes later I hear two more at the south end, 151 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:50.560 and when the other two at the south end sounded off. 152 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:54.079 Have you ever been to a concert and the base 153 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:57.680 is so loud you feel it like vibrating the air 154 00:07:57.720 --> 00:08:00.279 in your lungs. I got that feeling, like the air 155 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:03.399 in my chest was vibrating. While these other two are 156 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:05.600 calling off at the south end of the lake. It's 157 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:07.879 so hard to judge, like you're in the dark, you're 158 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:10.079 in the woods, and you're sitting on a body of water, 159 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:12.279 so it's almost I don't know how to judge the 160 00:08:12.319 --> 00:08:14.439 distance of how far away they were. I just know 161 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:17.360 how big this lake was. I don't know exactly where 162 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:21.040 they were, but they sounded super close, or at least 163 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:24.759 it felt that way. And I'm laying there and I'm like, okay, 164 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:27.759 Michigan dn R officially at the time, and I don't 165 00:08:27.800 --> 00:08:29.959 even think now they're saying there's a wolf population in 166 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:32.600 the lower Peninsula, not in the area that I was 167 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:36.000 in any ways, they have been found in the upper Peninsula, though, 168 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:39.200 I'm like, Okay, this is really cool, this is interesting. 169 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:40.960 I get to tell this story to my friends that 170 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:43.519 I'm hearing these wolves calling. So I'm kind of laying 171 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:47.320 there and mind you, I'm trying to figure out what's 172 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:51.799 going on out here and the forest goes completely dead 173 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:55.399 silent on me. Here, a pin drops silent, which never 174 00:08:55.480 --> 00:08:58.360 happens in the woods very rarely, even to the point 175 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:00.320 where there was not even a breeze, like there was 176 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:03.399 no wind moving through the trees, moving branches and stuff around. 177 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:08.519 And then this is the crazy part about this, after 178 00:09:08.919 --> 00:09:11.799 a good minute or two of silence, it was like 179 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:18.679 every possum, raccoons, squirrel, bird, mouse, everything in the forest 180 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:24.000 just all at once starts going nuts, making all kinds 181 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:27.080 of distressed calls, kind of like when you go to 182 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:29.440 a baseball game and somebody hits a home run in 183 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:32.559 the crowd goes crazy for a minute, something like that. 184 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:37.000 But like with the wildlife, and I've met people that 185 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:40.120 have hiked the entire Appalachian Trail. I've met that have 186 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:42.840 never heard that. I've met people and have backpacked Alaska 187 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:46.799 have never experienced that. I've talked to hunters that have 188 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:50.120 hunted Michigan their entire lives. Nobody can give me a 189 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:52.200 straight answer on exactly what this is. Mind you, I 190 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:55.039 haven't bothered to find a scientist to ask, but I 191 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:57.799 would sure as I'd like to know what happened. So 192 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:00.600 this all goes on for a good minute, and I'm 193 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:03.600 laying there scared out of my mind at this point, 194 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:07.960 too afraid to move because I just got this terrible 195 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:12.679 feeling that it was in my best interest not to move, 196 00:10:12.919 --> 00:10:16.399 and I tried to slow my breathing down so I 197 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:20.080 wasn't making any kind of noise, nothing of the sort. 198 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.639 And then I hear this crack down the way from me. 199 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:27.600 I hear like it was like a big piece of 200 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:33.360 wood got broken, like a big stick crack, and then footsteps, 201 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:37.120 about seven or eight of them, and whatever it was, 202 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:41.159 it walked the distance of this campground right by my 203 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:45.120 tent up in the tree line, which is a distance 204 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:48.240 of about sixty or seventy yards, and about seven or 205 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:51.840 eight steps, and then just trailed off into the woods. 206 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:55.480 I didn't sleep that night, not to sound like Captain Badass, 207 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:57.000 but I did have a gun with me, and I 208 00:10:57.120 --> 00:11:00.799 was just too damned afraid to even ZiT my sleeping 209 00:11:00.799 --> 00:11:03.360 bag to reach for it, because I was just thinking like, 210 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:08.519 whatever is out there is really big and probably hungry, 211 00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:10.519 and I don't want to mess with it. And I 212 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:13.000 feel like I'm being given like some kind of a 213 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:16.159 warning to stay in place, so I stay zipped up 214 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:18.919 in the bag all night. Daybreak comes around six point 215 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:23.200 thirty in the morning. I got out, looked around, couldn't 216 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:26.240 find a track, couldn't find a broken stick. I couldn't 217 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:29.919 even find any kind of scat, no nothing sign of 218 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:33.879 animal at all. So I packed up my stuff and 219 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:37.120 I left. That's about the end of that story. 220 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:40.679 Let's go back to There's a couple of questions I have, 221 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:42.840 but I want to go back specifically to this first. 222 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:46.559 Was there a point in your mind that it clicked 223 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:49.919 for you that this may be an encounter with sasquatch 224 00:11:49.960 --> 00:11:52.320 or were you still trying to rationalize it as being 225 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:55.240 some known animal that you might be dealing. 226 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:58.720 With after the fact, The thought definitely crossed my like 227 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:01.840 it was one of those moments of did that just 228 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:06.679 really happen? Was that really? Could that have been? Because 229 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:09.399 whatever it was on two legs, it didn't have the 230 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:13.519 same rhythm that something on four legs makes. That thought, 231 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:15.720 like I was just kind of laying there, Holy shit, 232 00:12:15.919 --> 00:12:18.519 was that really bigfoot that just came wandering through here? 233 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:22.080 Because they have been reported in this area before, or 234 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:24.080 there's been sightings in this area, I don't know if 235 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:28.720 anybody has actually claimed of gotten relatively close to one 236 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:32.919 or not, but they're supposedly in the area. And that 237 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:36.159 thought did cross my mind back when all the shows 238 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:37.960 were on TV and I kind of lived in the 239 00:12:38.559 --> 00:12:41.159 a little further north. Did I kind of experiment? Yeah, 240 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:42.399 I was the guy I left a jar of peanut 241 00:12:42.440 --> 00:12:44.720 butter out on a tree stump one time in the 242 00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:47.720 back forty of my dad's property with the trail cam 243 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:50.080 aimed right at it, like ten feet away. No clue 244 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:52.759 what I'm doing. Let's just see what happens. And squirrels 245 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:55.200 normal squirrels and what have you showed up for that? 246 00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:58.879 But yeah, the thought, actually the joke was with my 247 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:01.240 wife when I told my life this story. If she's 248 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:05.679 like trying to quantify this whole explosion of noise that 249 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:07.840 I heard from the wildlife, and I was like, Babe, 250 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:11.000 listen to me. If Bigfoot was a pro wrestler, this 251 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:13.600 was what he would walk down to the ring to this, 252 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:16.519 just like his entrance music is all the sounds of 253 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:18.279 the jungle going nuts, right. 254 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:21.279 It's the rockheading to the rain. That's what you'd expect 255 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:25.120 to hear exactly. This may sound like a strange question, 256 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:27.360 to you, but trust me, there's a method to my madness. 257 00:13:27.399 --> 00:13:30.039 Literally right before we hopped on to do this interview today, 258 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:32.480 I was working on a show that I'm going to 259 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:33.919 put out here in a couple of days as we 260 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:37.360 record this able to drop on Wednesday. It's about the 261 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:44.799 possibility of a sasquatch being able to telepathically communicate or 262 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:48.519 share things with people during these encounters. And I have 263 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:52.240 to be honest with you, this has definitely been a 264 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:56.039 progression for me. It has been a growth spurt for 265 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:59.360 me in Bigfoot just over the last twelve months because 266 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:01.919 for the long a time, I was a very skeptical person. 267 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:05.440 Still am skeptical about whether these things existed or not 268 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:10.799 until I had my experiences last last summer that completely 269 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:13.159 put that to bed for me. Now I know that 270 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:15.679 these things exist. So I'm looking at other areas of 271 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:17.840 this and one of the things that came up for 272 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:20.080 me recently, and this is what I'm putting this out 273 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:21.759 on Wednesday for. And I'm going to ask you this 274 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:24.080 question because I think it might pertain to this, or 275 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:26.279 at least I'm going to ask the question and see 276 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:29.559 where it goes. I was interviewing somebody recently within the 277 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:32.639 last couple of months, and they mentioned to me about 278 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:36.200 this podcast called the Telepathy Tapes, and it doesn't have 279 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:40.360 anything to do with the Bigfoot. It's a documentarian who 280 00:14:40.919 --> 00:14:45.039 put together this podcast. She interviews several PhDs that are 281 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:51.720 involved with specifically nonverbal and very minimally verbal autistic children 282 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:55.919 and young adults. And what doctor Powell, this PhD, this 283 00:14:56.360 --> 00:15:00.519 research scientist found was that while she was talking to 284 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:03.639 these people about their interaction with their children, this apparent 285 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:08.200 telepathic communication with one or more of the parents or 286 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:11.360 a teacher or a clinician was coming up over and over, 287 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:15.159 and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll 288 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:22.759 be right back after these messages. And long story short. 289 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:26.440 She does a lot of experiments. She's a scientist, so 290 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:29.360 she starts to study this. She's got peer reviewed things 291 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:32.639 that are out there that she's done, these peer reviewed 292 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:35.639 studies that she's done that found, in my opinion, if 293 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:37.720 you listen to all ten episodes of this, and I 294 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:40.720 think there's three or four bonus episodes, I don't know 295 00:15:40.759 --> 00:15:43.399 anybody that can walk away from that and not believe that, 296 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:48.120 at least in this individual or this group of people. 297 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:52.960 Let's say telepathy is real. So once that happened for me, 298 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:55.639 then I start looking at some of the things. I 299 00:15:55.639 --> 00:15:57.879 don't know how big you are into the Bigfoot research, 300 00:15:57.960 --> 00:15:59.679 or how many people you know in Bigfoot, or how 301 00:15:59.679 --> 00:16:03.360 deep gone down the rabbit hole. But Christopher Noel is 302 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:07.039 one of those people that has had this very controversial 303 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:12.679 and almost laughable depending on the company you keep, theory 304 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:17.919 that Sasquatch are possibly autistic savants, and he documents a 305 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:20.879 lot of things that people have talked about through their encounters, 306 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:23.159 and I've documented some of these very things. I probably 307 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:25.799 interviewed at this point over a thousand people that have 308 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:29.559 had Bigfoot experiences, and there are a lot of parallels 309 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:32.360 to be drawn there. But like most people in the community, 310 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:37.559 I laughed at Christopher's savant theory until I got into 311 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:41.120 the telepathy tapes. And this is all coming full circle 312 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:44.240 for me because there's so many times in these experiences 313 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:47.879 and I was talking as you were recounting your experience, 314 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:51.919 I was making notes about your experience, and you had 315 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:56.480 this feeling that you shouldn't move, you needed to stay 316 00:16:56.480 --> 00:16:58.759 where you were. I think you even said it was 317 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:01.000 almost like a warning for you. That you do not 318 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:04.000 need to move at this point. Now, I'm not trying 319 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:05.480 to put words in your mouth, and I'm not trying 320 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:08.079 to turn this into some wo or high strengthness conversation. 321 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:12.480 But I guess the question here in this diatribe would be, 322 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:15.440 did you feel in the moment or even now in 323 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:19.279 retrospect looking back, do you think that it was just 324 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:21.920 the adrenaline in the situation, it was the fear in 325 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:27.079 the situation, it was your obviously you're a pretty experienced outdoorsman. 326 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:29.880 Did you just know if there's a big predator in 327 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:32.359 the area, I should probably stay put. Or do you 328 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:36.000 think there could have been something to the fact that 329 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:39.000 in some way, shape, form or fashion, the sasquatch was 330 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:42.200 giving you this for lack of a better term. 331 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:47.119 So, I have wondered that this whole theory about sasquatch 332 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:51.039 potentially being an autistic savant, that's pretty new to me. 333 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:55.119 The telepathy tapes, I think I may have for some 334 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:57.799 reason that's ringing a bell with me. But as far 335 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:01.720 as like the signaling goes, I have been in areas 336 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:05.599 so years before this whole thing happened to me. I 337 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:09.440 was working in British Columbia, Canada. We would go into 338 00:18:09.519 --> 00:18:13.759 very remote areas, seventy eighty miles away from the closest road. 339 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:17.880 Never once did I have any suspicions that sasquatches anywhere. 340 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:20.799 It's in the Northwest like that. But having been in 341 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:24.240 areas where I've seen black bears, I've seen grizzly bears, 342 00:18:24.359 --> 00:18:28.119 I have seen mountain lions up in the mountains like that. 343 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:32.039 Never got the same feeling in an area where you're 344 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:35.799 around these big apex predators. Not the same feeling. You'll 345 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:39.200 get that feeling that you're being watched, right. They say 346 00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:42.119 that's because your vision kind of detects something that your 347 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:45.000 brain hasn't quite focused on too yet. But you saw 348 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:49.759 something and that's what's triggering that. But once again, haven't 349 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:52.359 been in these areas with these large predators. I never 350 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:55.880 got this feeling of you need to stay put right now. 351 00:18:56.680 --> 00:19:01.160 Like never anything that was like directly broadcasted to me, 352 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:03.720 for lack of a better term. Yeah, you would catch 353 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:06.279 a smell of one, or would you know if you 354 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:08.079 can hear, if you see the brush move and you 355 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:09.799 know there's something there and it's probably too late at 356 00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:13.839 that point. But never did I get that feeling of 357 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.559 you need to stay perfectly still because I'm gonna mess 358 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:19.759 you up if you don't. 359 00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:22.240 Yeah, And that's why I asked the question, because there's 360 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:25.279 so many times I've had conversations and it's not every 361 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:28.160 single time, it's probably not even sixty percent of the time, 362 00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:31.559 but maybe in forty percent of the conversations I have 363 00:19:31.640 --> 00:19:35.960 with people, they feel like they've had this experience with 364 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:38.960 what they believe to be a sasquatch. So I'm just 365 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:42.160 getting into it. I'm starting to look way more and 366 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:45.039 going down this rabbit hole on telepathy. I'm sure my listeners, 367 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:49.079 I'm a very nuts and bolts Ockham's razor former police officer. 368 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:51.599 I'm all about the evidence, and I'm all about the 369 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:56.160 flesh and blood. And now I'm talking about Bigfoot possibly 370 00:19:56.200 --> 00:20:00.400 being sabots and being able to use telepathy. People are 371 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:03.319 gonna probably say I'm batshit crazy at this point. 372 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:04.920 I'm not gonna lie. I thought you were getting a 373 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:06.440 little out there on me when you laid that. 374 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:09.519 One, because if you know anything about me, you know 375 00:20:09.640 --> 00:20:12.559 that I don't take that approach at all. I am 376 00:20:12.759 --> 00:20:16.279 very hard nosed when it comes to particularly hoaxes. I 377 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:19.599 don't really get into bashing people for their experiences, but 378 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:22.480 there are people who claim some pretty out there things. 379 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:26.440 Mike Patterson with a Sasquatch Ontario comes to mind. He's 380 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:29.640 claiming that they're materializing in his cabin and taking things 381 00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:33.279 off the counter, and he's having marbles materialize and hit 382 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:35.839 him in the head, and he's having indoor vocalizations, and 383 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:39.279 these things are taking selfies on his couch. I can't 384 00:20:39.319 --> 00:20:40.559 really go down that road with you. 385 00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:44.599 So he's claiming that he's getting like poultrygeist activity from 386 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:45.880 Sasquatch's house. 387 00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:49.359 Oh yeah, yeah. If you're not familiar with sasquatch Ontario's 388 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:52.759 YouTube channel and Mike Patterson, do yourself a favor after 389 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:55.000 this is over, take ten minutes, go down the rabbit 390 00:20:55.039 --> 00:20:58.200 hole and watch his latest video with him and Dwayne. Okay, 391 00:20:58.880 --> 00:21:01.119 you will be blown away and you'll probably send me 392 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:03.960 a message later going why did you ever tell me 393 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:07.400 to watch that? It's very interesting, stubbed, But this has 394 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:10.880 been something that's gone on for them for probably fifteen years. 395 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:13.759 They've been doing this. I'm pretty sure that Dwayne is 396 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:17.759 perpetuating this hoax. He claims that Sasquat's talk to him 397 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:20.680 there's this certain voice that they use. You'll see when 398 00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:21.720 you get down the rabbit hole. 399 00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:24.519 He's got like some skipwalker ranch type of thing going on. 400 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:27.400 Then, Yeah, except for the fact that it's simply this 401 00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:30.279