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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
Speaker 2: on here. Something just kid with my dog. Something killed
Speaker 2: your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over the tree.
Speaker 2: I don't know how it did it? Okay, Damn, I'm
Speaker 2: really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 2: the fence and na would dead and once you hit
Speaker 2: the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
Speaker 2: was my dog coming over the fence.
Speaker 3: Mad.
Speaker 2: Are you reporting we got some wonder or something crawling
Speaker 2: around out here? Did you see what it was? It
Speaker 2: enough out here looking. I'm new to one down now
Speaker 2: and I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello,
Speaker 2: hit the buddy out here? What quent on out there?
Speaker 2: I thought of a bitch about tech foot nine. I
Speaker 2: don't know, easy and out there. Yeah, I'm walking right, heady.
Speaker 1: I'm from some Welcome our guest to the show. It
Speaker 1: is Mitch from Michigan. Welcome to the show man.
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: I've been looking forward to this. I appreciate your rescheduling.
Speaker 1: I know we had some scheduling issues in the past.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you working with us and getting back on
Speaker 1: to talk about your experiences. Let's get into this bigfoot thing.
Speaker 1: Let's start where I start with most people. What guy
Speaker 1: you interested in the subject of bigfoot to begin with?
Speaker 4: I was one of those kids that always had an
Speaker 4: interest in the paranormal to begin with, just whatever I
Speaker 4: could find about the subject of bigfoot, aliens, ghosts, things
Speaker 4: like that. For some reason, I've just always had a
Speaker 4: fascination with it.
Speaker 1: That's where most people start with this. It's what happened
Speaker 1: with me. I got interested in cryptids at a very
Speaker 1: young age, the Lockness Monster with my cryptidive choice, and
Speaker 1: then I was hearing bigfoot stories in and around the
Speaker 1: area I was growing up in North Georgia. So I'm
Speaker 1: definitely right there with you when it comes to that.
Speaker 1: But I know you here to talk about some experiences.
Speaker 1: Let's get into your experiences. Why don't you take us
Speaker 1: back to where you were, what you were doing, and
Speaker 1: tell us what happened to you.
Speaker 4: Okay, So a little backstory going into this. I have
Speaker 4: always really been into off roading and camping and backwoods
Speaker 4: hiking and things like that. The state of Michigan has
Speaker 4: miles of off road or RV trails as we call them,
Speaker 4: and there's different types for dirt bikes, four wheelers, side
Speaker 4: by sides, and then the jeeps and everything like that,
Speaker 4: and it's all based off wheelbase size. So there's got
Speaker 4: to be a few thousand miles of trail like that
Speaker 4: in the northern half of Michigan's Lower Peninsula, and then
Speaker 4: one thousand more in the Upper Peninsula where it's much
Speaker 4: more rural. Up there, it's almost like a completely different place.
Speaker 4: So in January of twenty eighteen, I bought my first
Speaker 4: brand new four wheeler, and I was taking this thing
Speaker 4: out every chance I had, like even in the middle
Speaker 4: of winter. We had a pretty mild winter that year,
Speaker 4: so a lot of the places I was going to
Speaker 4: were just like frozen mud pits and it was a miserable,
Speaker 4: but you got to get out and play with the
Speaker 4: new toy, right, So we had a pretty good break
Speaker 4: in the weather in April that year, and I decided
Speaker 4: to go to this little camping spot that I grew
Speaker 4: up going to. I've been to this place several times
Speaker 4: over the years. This campground is pretty isolated. The road
Speaker 4: to get to it is probably about seven or eight
Speaker 4: miles off of the main road that you take to
Speaker 4: get to the forest entrance, and when you get to
Speaker 4: this campground, it dead ends at a lake. And there's
Speaker 4: nothing else on this lake. There's no houses, there's no nothing.
Speaker 4: It's just a rustic wroral campground. You got fire pits
Speaker 4: in an outhouse and that's all you get, and a
Speaker 4: cleared out area to set your tent and everything up.
Speaker 4: So when I went up there, the whole area was
Speaker 4: pretty well floated out with snow melt water. I was
Speaker 4: going through probably needy water holes just to get back
Speaker 4: to this spot. I get there, I'm the only person there.
Speaker 4: There's no one else around. I didn't even see another
Speaker 4: car on my drive in. I didn't see any thing
Speaker 4: that gave me any reason to think that somebody had
Speaker 4: been there. No fresh tire tracks, no garbage. There still
Speaker 4: was a bit of snow on the ground, but no
Speaker 4: ice on the water. But there was a few spots
Speaker 4: where I could see snowmobile tracks, and it was one
Speaker 4: of those things where there was still snow in the
Speaker 4: spots where the trees would cast a shadow during the
Speaker 4: daytime I.
Speaker 5: Got up there.
Speaker 4: I went up there after I left work that day,
Speaker 4: and I got up there at about seven thirty at night.
Speaker 4: And mind you, I'm in a tent and I've got
Speaker 4: all my stuff in my truck. That whole time I
Speaker 4: was maybe it was about six thirty or seven o'clock
Speaker 4: at night, that doesn't matter. Pretty late in the day,
Speaker 4: and the whole time I'm out there, I'm here in
Speaker 4: things that sound like rocks getting thrown into this lake.
Speaker 4: I'm not seeing any birds, and I know that there's
Speaker 4: migratory birds that come through the area in that time
Speaker 4: of year, but I'm not hearing geese honking. I'm not
Speaker 4: hearing ducks quacking things like that. It's just these random
Speaker 4: little splashes in the water that I'm hearing at different
Speaker 4: times throughout the day. And it never failed that. It
Speaker 4: was like I would look out at the water, right,
Speaker 4: I'd look out at the water, and then i'd turn
Speaker 4: around to get something out of my truck, and then
Speaker 4: I'd hear a splash. Okay, this is interesting. So it
Speaker 4: gets dark out, I cannot find any dry firewood, so
Speaker 4: I'm screwed there. I had stopped and got something to
Speaker 4: eat on the way up, so I wasn't too awfully hungry,
Speaker 4: so I just I had my tent set up. I
Speaker 4: crawl into bed, and I'm zipped up in my sleeping bag,
Speaker 4: laying on my cot and I go to bed that night,
Speaker 4: and I fall asleep that night. Whenever I go out
Speaker 4: on one of these little trips, I always wear a wristwatch,
Speaker 4: just so I don't have to fumble around looking for
Speaker 4: my phone if I wake up and want to know
Speaker 4: what time it is. I look at my watch and
Speaker 4: it is about one. I think it was around one
Speaker 4: thirty in the morning. I'm laying there because like it was,
Speaker 4: something just jolted me awake. Don't know what it was,
Speaker 4: just this jolt. I'm awake, I'm alert, dark, my eyes
Speaker 4: are looking around. Of course it's dark. I can't see anything.
Speaker 4: This lake is it runs northwest to southeast right so
Speaker 4: at an angle, the long part of it does. And
Speaker 4: from the north end of this lake, I hear something
Speaker 4: that sounded an awful lot like a wolf calling, like
Speaker 4: a wolf bang, like hell on at the moon like
Speaker 4: in the movies. So I hear that one he's on
Speaker 4: the far end of the lake. And then a couple
Speaker 4: of minutes later I hear two more at the south end,
Speaker 4: and when the other two at the south end sounded off.
Speaker 4: Have you ever been to a concert and the base
Speaker 4: is so loud you feel it like vibrating the air
Speaker 4: in your lungs. I got that feeling, like the air
Speaker 4: in my chest was vibrating. While these other two are
Speaker 4: calling off at the south end of the lake. It's
Speaker 4: so hard to judge, like you're in the dark, you're
Speaker 4: in the woods, and you're sitting on a body of water,
Speaker 4: so it's almost I don't know how to judge the
Speaker 4: distance of how far away they were. I just know
Speaker 4: how big this lake was. I don't know exactly where
Speaker 4: they were, but they sounded super close, or at least
Speaker 4: it felt that way. And I'm laying there and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: Michigan dn R officially at the time, and I don't
Speaker 4: even think now they're saying there's a wolf population in
Speaker 4: the lower Peninsula, not in the area that I was
Speaker 4: in any ways, they have been found in the upper Peninsula, though,
Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, this is really cool, this is interesting.
Speaker 4: I get to tell this story to my friends that
Speaker 4: I'm hearing these wolves calling. So I'm kind of laying
Speaker 4: there and mind you, I'm trying to figure out what's
Speaker 4: going on out here and the forest goes completely dead
Speaker 4: silent on me. Here, a pin drops silent, which never
Speaker 4: happens in the woods very rarely, even to the point
Speaker 4: where there was not even a breeze, like there was
Speaker 4: no wind moving through the trees, moving branches and stuff around.
Speaker 4: And then this is the crazy part about this, after
Speaker 4: a good minute or two of silence, it was like
Speaker 4: every possum, raccoons, squirrel, bird, mouse, everything in the forest
Speaker 4: just all at once starts going nuts, making all kinds
Speaker 4: of distressed calls, kind of like when you go to
Speaker 4: a baseball game and somebody hits a home run in
Speaker 4: the crowd goes crazy for a minute, something like that.
Speaker 4: But like with the wildlife, and I've met people that
Speaker 4: have hiked the entire Appalachian Trail. I've met that have
Speaker 4: never heard that. I've met people and have backpacked Alaska
Speaker 4: have never experienced that. I've talked to hunters that have
Speaker 4: hunted Michigan their entire lives. Nobody can give me a
Speaker 4: straight answer on exactly what this is. Mind you, I
Speaker 4: haven't bothered to find a scientist to ask, but I
Speaker 4: would sure as I'd like to know what happened. So
Speaker 4: this all goes on for a good minute, and I'm
Speaker 4: laying there scared out of my mind at this point,
Speaker 4: too afraid to move because I just got this terrible
Speaker 4: feeling that it was in my best interest not to move,
Speaker 4: and I tried to slow my breathing down so I
Speaker 4: wasn't making any kind of noise, nothing of the sort.
Speaker 4: And then I hear this crack down the way from me.
Speaker 4: I hear like it was like a big piece of
Speaker 4: wood got broken, like a big stick crack, and then footsteps,
Speaker 4: about seven or eight of them, and whatever it was,
Speaker 4: it walked the distance of this campground right by my
Speaker 4: tent up in the tree line, which is a distance
Speaker 4: of about sixty or seventy yards, and about seven or
Speaker 4: eight steps, and then just trailed off into the woods.
Speaker 4: I didn't sleep that night, not to sound like Captain Badass,
Speaker 4: but I did have a gun with me, and I
Speaker 4: was just too damned afraid to even ZiT my sleeping
Speaker 4: bag to reach for it, because I was just thinking like,
Speaker 4: whatever is out there is really big and probably hungry,
Speaker 4: and I don't want to mess with it. And I
Speaker 4: feel like I'm being given like some kind of a
Speaker 4: warning to stay in place, so I stay zipped up
Speaker 4: in the bag all night. Daybreak comes around six point
Speaker 4: thirty in the morning. I got out, looked around, couldn't
Speaker 4: find a track, couldn't find a broken stick. I couldn't
Speaker 4: even find any kind of scat, no nothing sign of
Speaker 4: animal at all. So I packed up my stuff and
Speaker 4: I left. That's about the end of that story.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to There's a couple of questions I have,
Speaker 1: but I want to go back specifically to this first.
Speaker 1: Was there a point in your mind that it clicked
Speaker 1: for you that this may be an encounter with sasquatch
Speaker 1: or were you still trying to rationalize it as being
Speaker 1: some known animal that you might be dealing.
Speaker 4: With after the fact, The thought definitely crossed my like
Speaker 4: it was one of those moments of did that just
Speaker 4: really happen? Was that really? Could that have been? Because
Speaker 4: whatever it was on two legs, it didn't have the
Speaker 4: same rhythm that something on four legs makes. That thought,
Speaker 4: like I was just kind of laying there, Holy shit,
Speaker 4: was that really bigfoot that just came wandering through here?
Speaker 4: Because they have been reported in this area before, or
Speaker 4: there's been sightings in this area, I don't know if
Speaker 4: anybody has actually claimed of gotten relatively close to one
Speaker 4: or not, but they're supposedly in the area. And that
Speaker 4: thought did cross my mind back when all the shows
Speaker 4: were on TV and I kind of lived in the
Speaker 4: a little further north. Did I kind of experiment? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I was the guy I left a jar of peanut
Speaker 4: butter out on a tree stump one time in the
Speaker 4: back forty of my dad's property with the trail cam
Speaker 4: aimed right at it, like ten feet away. No clue
Speaker 4: what I'm doing. Let's just see what happens. And squirrels
Speaker 4: normal squirrels and what have you showed up for that?
Speaker 4: But yeah, the thought, actually the joke was with my
Speaker 4: wife when I told my life this story. If she's
Speaker 4: like trying to quantify this whole explosion of noise that
Speaker 4: I heard from the wildlife, and I was like, Babe,
Speaker 4: listen to me. If Bigfoot was a pro wrestler, this
Speaker 4: was what he would walk down to the ring to this,
Speaker 4: just like his entrance music is all the sounds of
Speaker 4: the jungle going nuts, right.
Speaker 1: It's the rockheading to the rain. That's what you'd expect
Speaker 1: to hear exactly. This may sound like a strange question,
Speaker 1: to you, but trust me, there's a method to my madness.
Speaker 1: Literally right before we hopped on to do this interview today,
Speaker 1: I was working on a show that I'm going to
Speaker 1: put out here in a couple of days as we
Speaker 1: record this able to drop on Wednesday. It's about the
Speaker 1: possibility of a sasquatch being able to telepathically communicate or
Speaker 1: share things with people during these encounters. And I have
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, this has definitely been a
Speaker 1: progression for me. It has been a growth spurt for
Speaker 1: me in Bigfoot just over the last twelve months because
Speaker 1: for the long a time, I was a very skeptical person.
Speaker 1: Still am skeptical about whether these things existed or not
Speaker 1: until I had my experiences last last summer that completely
Speaker 1: put that to bed for me. Now I know that
Speaker 1: these things exist. So I'm looking at other areas of
Speaker 1: this and one of the things that came up for
Speaker 1: me recently, and this is what I'm putting this out
Speaker 1: on Wednesday for. And I'm going to ask you this
Speaker 1: question because I think it might pertain to this, or
Speaker 1: at least I'm going to ask the question and see
Speaker 1: where it goes. I was interviewing somebody recently within the
Speaker 1: last couple of months, and they mentioned to me about
Speaker 1: this podcast called the Telepathy Tapes, and it doesn't have
Speaker 1: anything to do with the Bigfoot. It's a documentarian who
Speaker 1: put together this podcast. She interviews several PhDs that are
Speaker 1: involved with specifically nonverbal and very minimally verbal autistic children
Speaker 1: and young adults. And what doctor Powell, this PhD, this
Speaker 1: research scientist found was that while she was talking to
Speaker 1: these people about their interaction with their children, this apparent
Speaker 1: telepathic communication with one or more of the parents or
Speaker 1: a teacher or a clinician was coming up over and over,
Speaker 1: and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back after these messages. And long story short.
Speaker 1: She does a lot of experiments. She's a scientist, so
Speaker 1: she starts to study this. She's got peer reviewed things
Speaker 1: that are out there that she's done, these peer reviewed
Speaker 1: studies that she's done that found, in my opinion, if
Speaker 1: you listen to all ten episodes of this, and I
Speaker 1: think there's three or four bonus episodes, I don't know
Speaker 1: anybody that can walk away from that and not believe that,
Speaker 1: at least in this individual or this group of people.
Speaker 1: Let's say telepathy is real. So once that happened for me,
Speaker 1: then I start looking at some of the things. I
Speaker 1: don't know how big you are into the Bigfoot research,
Speaker 1: or how many people you know in Bigfoot, or how
Speaker 1: deep gone down the rabbit hole. But Christopher Noel is
Speaker 1: one of those people that has had this very controversial
Speaker 1: and almost laughable depending on the company you keep, theory
Speaker 1: that Sasquatch are possibly autistic savants, and he documents a
Speaker 1: lot of things that people have talked about through their encounters,
Speaker 1: and I've documented some of these very things. I probably
Speaker 1: interviewed at this point over a thousand people that have
Speaker 1: had Bigfoot experiences, and there are a lot of parallels
Speaker 1: to be drawn there. But like most people in the community,
Speaker 1: I laughed at Christopher's savant theory until I got into
Speaker 1: the telepathy tapes. And this is all coming full circle
Speaker 1: for me because there's so many times in these experiences
Speaker 1: and I was talking as you were recounting your experience,
Speaker 1: I was making notes about your experience, and you had
Speaker 1: this feeling that you shouldn't move, you needed to stay
Speaker 1: where you were. I think you even said it was
Speaker 1: almost like a warning for you. That you do not
Speaker 1: need to move at this point. Now, I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to put words in your mouth, and I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to turn this into some wo or high strengthness conversation.
Speaker 1: But I guess the question here in this diatribe would be,
Speaker 1: did you feel in the moment or even now in
Speaker 1: retrospect looking back, do you think that it was just
Speaker 1: the adrenaline in the situation, it was the fear in
Speaker 1: the situation, it was your obviously you're a pretty experienced outdoorsman.
Speaker 1: Did you just know if there's a big predator in
Speaker 1: the area, I should probably stay put. Or do you
Speaker 1: think there could have been something to the fact that
Speaker 1: in some way, shape, form or fashion, the sasquatch was
Speaker 1: giving you this for lack of a better term.
Speaker 4: So, I have wondered that this whole theory about sasquatch
Speaker 4: potentially being an autistic savant, that's pretty new to me.
Speaker 4: The telepathy tapes, I think I may have for some
Speaker 4: reason that's ringing a bell with me. But as far
Speaker 4: as like the signaling goes, I have been in areas
Speaker 4: so years before this whole thing happened to me. I
Speaker 4: was working in British Columbia, Canada. We would go into
Speaker 4: very remote areas, seventy eighty miles away from the closest road.
Speaker 4: Never once did I have any suspicions that sasquatches anywhere.
Speaker 4: It's in the Northwest like that. But having been in
Speaker 4: areas where I've seen black bears, I've seen grizzly bears,
Speaker 4: I have seen mountain lions up in the mountains like that.
Speaker 4: Never got the same feeling in an area where you're
Speaker 4: around these big apex predators. Not the same feeling. You'll
Speaker 4: get that feeling that you're being watched, right. They say
Speaker 4: that's because your vision kind of detects something that your
Speaker 4: brain hasn't quite focused on too yet. But you saw
Speaker 4: something and that's what's triggering that. But once again, haven't
Speaker 4: been in these areas with these large predators. I never
Speaker 4: got this feeling of you need to stay put right now.
Speaker 4: Like never anything that was like directly broadcasted to me,
Speaker 4: for lack of a better term. Yeah, you would catch
Speaker 4: a smell of one, or would you know if you
Speaker 4: can hear, if you see the brush move and you
Speaker 4: know there's something there and it's probably too late at
Speaker 4: that point. But never did I get that feeling of
Speaker 4: you need to stay perfectly still because I'm gonna mess
Speaker 4: you up if you don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's why I asked the question, because there's
Speaker 1: so many times I've had conversations and it's not every
Speaker 1: single time, it's probably not even sixty percent of the time,
Speaker 1: but maybe in forty percent of the conversations I have
Speaker 1: with people, they feel like they've had this experience with
Speaker 1: what they believe to be a sasquatch. So I'm just
Speaker 1: getting into it. I'm starting to look way more and
Speaker 1: going down this rabbit hole on telepathy. I'm sure my listeners,
Speaker 1: I'm a very nuts and bolts Ockham's razor former police officer.
Speaker 1: I'm all about the evidence, and I'm all about the
Speaker 1: flesh and blood. And now I'm talking about Bigfoot possibly
Speaker 1: being sabots and being able to use telepathy. People are
Speaker 1: gonna probably say I'm batshit crazy at this point.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie. I thought you were getting a
Speaker 4: little out there on me when you laid that.
Speaker 1: One, because if you know anything about me, you know
Speaker 1: that I don't take that approach at all. I am
Speaker 1: very hard nosed when it comes to particularly hoaxes. I
Speaker 1: don't really get into bashing people for their experiences, but
Speaker 1: there are people who claim some pretty out there things.
Speaker 1: Mike Patterson with a Sasquatch Ontario comes to mind. He's
Speaker 1: claiming that they're materializing in his cabin and taking things
Speaker 1: off the counter, and he's having marbles materialize and hit
Speaker 1: him in the head, and he's having indoor vocalizations, and
Speaker 1: these things are taking selfies on his couch. I can't
Speaker 1: really go down that road with you.
Speaker 4: So he's claiming that he's getting like poultrygeist activity from
Speaker 4: Sasquatch's house.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. If you're not familiar with sasquatch Ontario's
Speaker 1: YouTube channel and Mike Patterson, do yourself a favor after
Speaker 1: this is over, take ten minutes, go down the rabbit
Speaker 1: hole and watch his latest video with him and Dwayne. Okay,
Speaker 1: you will be blown away and you'll probably send me
Speaker 1: a message later going why did you ever tell me
Speaker 1: to watch that? It's very interesting, stubbed, But this has
Speaker 1: been something that's gone on for them for probably fifteen years.
Speaker 1: They've been doing this. I'm pretty sure that Dwayne is
Speaker 1: perpetuating this hoax. He claims that Sasquat's talk to him
Speaker 1: there's this certain voice that they use. You'll see when
Speaker 1: you get down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 4: He's got like some skipwalker ranch type of thing going on.
Speaker 1: Then, Yeah, except for the fact that it's simply this
Speaker 1: dude is hoaxing him and he is hook line and
Speaker 1: sinker believing everything that he says. But outside of that, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's possible that he's got poultry geist activity with Bigfoot
Speaker 1: hitting him in the head, with marbles that are materializing
Speaker 1: out of thin air inside of a cabin. Speaking of
Speaker 1: other weird things, I think you and I are in
Speaker 1: one of those groups together because we've had similar experiences
Speaker 1: throughout our lives, not only with Bigfoot, but with other
Speaker 1: strange things. Would you mind telling us about your other
Speaker 1: strange experience that you had with something outside of Bigfoot.
Speaker 4: So, in what was it, September? Yeah, September of twenty twelve,
Speaker 4: I saw a UFO once again in northern Michigan. The
Speaker 4: town I was staying in at the time was about
Speaker 4: eighty miles due south of the mackinaw Bridge, close enough.
Speaker 4: I was out walking my dog. Mind you, in this area,
Speaker 4: there's a Air National Guard base south of that town.
Speaker 4: So when I was up there, and the guard was
Speaker 4: up there doing their thing like I would see military
Speaker 4: helicopters and stuff like that flying around on the regular,
Speaker 4: which you know, cool. The property that I was staying at,
Speaker 4: So here was the road, here was the house, like
Speaker 4: the area you'd call the yard was about a full acre,
Speaker 4: and then the property kind of dip down into a
Speaker 4: valley and back up to a hill. So I was
Speaker 4: out walking the dog. I was walking west because the
Speaker 4: sun was setting in front of me, and the dog
Speaker 4: stops and she starts shaking like something like very stressed,
Speaker 4: but won't move tail between her legs all that. So
Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with her, and
Speaker 4: I'm looking around and I get this feeling of like
Speaker 4: static electricity all over my body. And I turned around
Speaker 4: and I look east, and I look straight up, and
Speaker 4: there was this object that was about the same size
Speaker 4: as like a full moon in the sky would be.
Speaker 4: And this is about seven o'clock in the afternoon. There
Speaker 4: was an object about the size of what a full
Speaker 4: moon would look like in the sky hovering. So if
Speaker 4: this hill's only eighty feet tall and the tallest tree
Speaker 4: on it is sixty feet tall, this thing was the
Speaker 4: distance if you took that one hundred and forty foot
Speaker 4: here's the top of the trees is one hundred and
Speaker 4: forty feet from the top of the hill, and then
Speaker 4: another one hundred and fifty two hundred foot up is
Speaker 4: where this object was, and it's changing colors. It was
Speaker 4: going blue red, orange, blue, red, orange, blue, red, orange. Disappeared.
Speaker 4: I never blinked, I never looked away, never lost my
Speaker 4: light of sight, nothing. It just vanished before my eyes.
Speaker 4: It didn't fly off into space, it didn't shoot off
Speaker 4: into the distance at incredible speed. It vanished.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy. I've had a couple of UFO incidents.
Speaker 1: One was closer than the other. I saw a UFO
Speaker 1: when I was sixteen with my mom back in the day.
Speaker 1: This thing was probably seven or eight hundred feet away
Speaker 1: from us, so relatively close, and it was freaking huge.
Speaker 1: It sounds very similar, but there was no lights. This
Speaker 1: thing was completely metallic. There were no seams, no rivets,
Speaker 1: no lights, no nothing, just one big assive metallic chunk
Speaker 1: with the moonlight reflecting off of it. But so many
Speaker 1: people are having those experiences with these things, very similar
Speaker 1: to what you're speaking about, with these lights that are flashing.
Speaker 1: It's very close to there's no mistaking that you're looking
Speaker 1: at a real piece of equipment from somewhere.
Speaker 4: Something is there. Yes, But originally, like when that happened,
Speaker 4: I thought it was something like the military was screwing
Speaker 4: around doing something because once again, I'm pretty close. I
Speaker 4: was less than fifty miles away from an International Guard base.
Speaker 4: But you know, when those helicopters fly by, they can
Speaker 4: be a couple miles away from you and it is
Speaker 4: like deafeningly loud when they come cruising through. You know
Speaker 4: what that is. But it was dead silent, and where
Speaker 4: that static feeling came from. I don't know why the
Speaker 4: dog was so scared, I don't know. But after this
Speaker 4: thing disappeared, it was kind of like the crickets started
Speaker 4: chirping again, the birds started chirping again. Just everything slowly
Speaker 4: came back to life after this thing vanished. I remember
Speaker 4: like just standing there in awe. Did that really just happened?
Speaker 2: Was that?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 4: I think? It was? Similar feeling to what I had
Speaker 4: with the Bigfoot encounter a few years later, But yeah,
Speaker 4: that one. Have you been following the thing with the
Speaker 4: drones flying around in New Jersey and all up and
Speaker 4: down the East Coast somewhat. Yeah, have you followed the
Speaker 4: plasmoids that people are seeing. I've seen a view videos
Speaker 4: that were filmed up and down the East Coast where
Speaker 4: a lot of these drones are being spotted. There's a
Speaker 4: couple of them that are pretty close to what I saw.
Speaker 4: But I just imagine that, for whatever reason, it looks
Speaker 4: different when the camera is looking at it, just for
Speaker 4: reasons I don't understand. But I've even been reading into
Speaker 4: the idea that they're saying that it might be possible
Speaker 4: that plasma might be conscious and it's a naturally occurring
Speaker 4: phenomenon that just it floats around in space and does
Speaker 4: some crazy stuff when it enters our atmosphere, and it's conscious,
Speaker 4: it's thinking, it reacts, and it's a form of life
Speaker 4: that we don't understand yet. But there it was.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely going to be going down the rabbit hole
Speaker 1: of plasma now, I'm going to be into telepathy and plasma.
Speaker 1: Circle back for a moment to Bigfoot, and let's talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about what happens typically when people have
Speaker 1: an encounter, whether it be a siding or an auditory
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. It usually sends people in
Speaker 1: one of two directions. Either they're completely done with that,
Speaker 1: they never want to have anything else to do with it.
Speaker 1: You run in the opposite direction, or you're like some
Speaker 1: of us and you go down the rabbit hole and
Speaker 1: you become immersed in Bigfoot. What has been the case
Speaker 1: for you? Has it been somewhere in between? Have you
Speaker 1: went down the rabbit hole and looking more into these things?
Speaker 1: Have you started researching? And are you trying to go
Speaker 1: out and have more experiences for yourself, possibly even see
Speaker 1: one of these things. And if so, you've done research,
Speaker 1: what do you think these things are and why do
Speaker 1: you think they're so hard for us to document their existence.
Speaker 4: I'm really not sure what to say, but I used
Speaker 4: to be on the camp that it was some type
Speaker 4: of missing link. I like the undiscovered hominid theory that
Speaker 4: these things are descended from Neanderthal that just somehow wound
Speaker 4: up on the North American continent because they've been sighted
Speaker 4: all over the world. Famously got the Abominable Snowman in
Speaker 4: Nepal and India and up in the Himalayas, and then
Speaker 4: the Yowie and Australia. There's even similar creatures that have
Speaker 4: been spotted all over Asia, in Europe, and even in Africa.
Speaker 4: So these things are everywhere, which they just don't populate
Speaker 4: like that like we do, without being able to disperse
Speaker 4: and be intelligent and maybe be communal creatures and have
Speaker 4: little tribes, and maybe they migrate. I don't know, But
Speaker 4: me personally, the idea that I've had across my mind,
Speaker 4: and this might sound a little silly, is that bigfoot
Speaker 4: and UFO encounters are starting seem to really go hand
Speaker 4: in hand with each other. Usually wherever you have a
Speaker 4: lot of bigfoot encounters, there's usually somebody seen a UFO
Speaker 4: or two in the area in the weeks prior. I
Speaker 4: think there's some kind of alien scout that it's something
Speaker 4: like a body that they make and it comes down
Speaker 4: here and they send it into the wilds. Because the
Speaker 4: world that we live in is artificial, We made the
Speaker 4: habitat that we live in. They want to explore what
Speaker 4: this planet's really all about, so they send these things out.
Speaker 4: And the reason why we've never found a dead one
Speaker 4: is more or less I think that they just the
Speaker 4: body kind of breaks down and melts after a couple
Speaker 4: of days or a few weeks and just turns into
Speaker 4: a pile of mush, or they burrow, or they have
Speaker 4: the ability to regulate their body temperatures so they're undetectable
Speaker 4: by thermal camera or any other kind of conventional means.
Speaker 4: As far as the telepathy goes, I don't think it'd
Speaker 4: be outside of the realm of possibility, because once again,
Speaker 4: we don't fully understand the extent of life on this planet.
Speaker 4: It's not outside the realm of possibility that there's unknown
Speaker 4: means of communication that some creature is able to use.
Speaker 4: Camouflaging not outside the remal possibility.
Speaker 2: What is it.
Speaker 4: Cuttlefish and squids can camouflage.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to sea, we'll
Speaker 1: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: And they can do it almost instantaneously to whatever, one
Speaker 4: hundred times faster than the chameleon can change colors. So
Speaker 4: we already know that something that can essentially shape shift
Speaker 4: already exists. Thermal regulation I'm not so sure about. I'm
Speaker 4: not a biologist. I'm not aware of a creature that
Speaker 4: can do that, or creatures that have incredibly long life
Speaker 4: spans because their metabolism slows down and they're able to
Speaker 4: go dormant for years at a time. Maybe that's what
Speaker 4: they're doing. They hide out underground in a cave network
Speaker 4: and they just hybridate for a few years and then
Speaker 4: come out every so often for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: Definitely interesting theories, some of which I've never heard before.
Speaker 1: It's all subjective. We don't know. Anybody who tells you
Speaker 1: they know anything defendively is probably completely full of shit
Speaker 1: and you should probably turn and run immediately. It's just
Speaker 1: my personal opinion when it comes to bigfoot. Mitch. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you postulating letting me know what you thought about that.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you coming on the podcast. I've had
Speaker 1: a blast talking to you.
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: All Right, folks, want to welcome my guest to the show.
Speaker 1: It is Austin from West Virginia. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5: Man Ay, thank you, appreciate you.
Speaker 1: I've been looking forward to this conversation. Let's get right
Speaker 1: into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. What gag
Speaker 1: you interested in the subject to begin with.
Speaker 5: Up to my encounter, I didn't really know anything about
Speaker 5: bigfoot at all. When I was young, my brother had
Speaker 5: rented a book that had cryptids in it stuff, and
Speaker 5: I remember Yeddi being in it. Oddly enough, I wasn't
Speaker 5: really interested in the Eddie as far as the book went.
Speaker 5: I was more interested in the dinosaurs and the congo.
Speaker 5: My grandma, she lived in quite Pleasant when the Silverbridge collapsed.
Speaker 5: She was big on moth Man. So that's about the
Speaker 5: only cryptid knowledge I had and all up until my experience.
Speaker 5: And it was after my experience that I started delving
Speaker 5: into it and found Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about your experience. Why don't you take us
Speaker 1: back to where you were, what you were doing, and
Speaker 1: tell us what happened to you.
Speaker 5: So it was the summer of two thousand and four.
Speaker 5: I was fifteen years old. I had bought an eighty
Speaker 5: seven Thunderbird. It was my first car. I was out late,
Speaker 5: it was like between eleven and twelve at night, and
Speaker 5: I was taking my radiator out, putting back in, just
Speaker 5: trying to learn something. I heard this sound that was
Speaker 5: the deepest, longest, most powerful vocalization or sound that I'd
Speaker 5: ever heard. And when I heard it, it was sensory overload.
Speaker 5: Almost I was standing in front of my mom's yard.
Speaker 5: Wasn't really out in the boonies or nothing. There's a
Speaker 5: high school across the road, but it's still pretty spaced out.
Speaker 5: And when I heard it, the first thing I did
Speaker 5: was duck. I ducked because it was in my head.
Speaker 5: As silly as it sounds, the only thing I really
Speaker 5: knew was moth man. That's what I thought at first,
Speaker 5: because I could tell the direction it was coming. But
Speaker 5: it filled the air. It was incredible, and I ducked,
Speaker 5: and I ran to the street light. Like I said,
Speaker 5: I had a head lamb on, but I had a
Speaker 5: street light in the driveway, and I ran underneath it,
Speaker 5: put my backup against the pole. Scared to death. I
Speaker 5: didn't know what it was at all. And that first day,
Speaker 5: that's got about how it. When I heard it about
Speaker 5: three times that night it would stop maybe every five minutes.
Speaker 5: Every five minutes it would do it. And only heard
Speaker 5: it three times that night. I didn't hear anything other
Speaker 5: than the vocalization, mainly because I was scared out of
Speaker 5: my wits. I sat and thought, is that mechanical? I
Speaker 5: was trying to figure out what I was hearing. I
Speaker 5: grew up hunting a lot, so I was pretty faculiar
Speaker 5: with animal sounds and things like that, so the next
Speaker 5: night comes in and the same thing. I really just
Speaker 5: went out to see if I could hear it again,
Speaker 5: and I did. The best way I can describe how
Speaker 5: this sounded is a few ways, one being have you
Speaker 5: ever heard a train. When the trains come through the
Speaker 5: valley of the mountains, you can tell when they blew
Speaker 5: that horn, that sound comes right through the valley towards you. It
Speaker 5: felt like that. It felt like it was coming my direction,
Speaker 5: and that's what was scary about it. I felt like
Speaker 5: it was coming towards me. So in between it would
Speaker 5: do the vocalizations in threes, and it would be drawn
Speaker 5: out for fifteen seconds, very long. I couldn't imagine what
Speaker 5: had lungs that could produce that kind of sound and
Speaker 5: not run out of air after fifteen seconds. That really
Speaker 5: blew my mind. So in between those vocalizations and threes,
Speaker 5: I would hear five knocks in between, which I thought
Speaker 5: was really strange. I had no idea what that was.
Speaker 5: I just noticed it. So the third day I went
Speaker 5: out to listen to it again, and I got my
Speaker 5: mom to come out that night. I told her, you
Speaker 5: got to come out here and hear this, And it
Speaker 5: was like a movie you know what you'd expect. She
Speaker 5: came out. She sent for an hour, nothing happened, but
Speaker 5: she was like, I'm going in the house. I've been
Speaker 5: I here to you long. It's late. I was like, Mom,
Speaker 5: just wait, just wait, it'll do it, just wait. And
Speaker 5: she's like, no, I'm going in the house. And she
Speaker 5: stands up and she's walking towards the front door and bam,
Speaker 5: there it is. And I remember turning and looking at
Speaker 5: her excited, Yes, you heard it, and I'll never forget
Speaker 5: her eyes. Man, scared her to death. She was get
Speaker 5: in that house to me and my brother and like, Mom, no,
Speaker 5: we got to tell your listens, no, you got the house.
Speaker 5: So what we did we went to the house and Mom,
Speaker 5: you could tell it scared or she didn't know what
Speaker 5: to think. She even heard the knocks in between. That's
Speaker 5: how that played out. And I remember it was six
Speaker 5: years later. I was twenty one. I was at my
Speaker 5: oldest son's grandma's house. She worked. She was a graphic
Speaker 5: designer for a really big rafting company here in West Virginia.
Speaker 5: I guess she had already passed some belief in Bigfoot
Speaker 5: and some knowledge of it. Hanging out with the rafters
Speaker 5: and stuff, and she called me downstairs one day because
Speaker 5: I told her my story. If I remember right, it's
Speaker 5: fifteen years ago. I think it was a Monster Quest
Speaker 5: episode on Kentucky Bigfoot. I could be wrong, but I
Speaker 5: think that's what it was. And in that episode she
Speaker 5: called me down there and she was like, does this
Speaker 5: sound anything like what you heard? It was a howl
Speaker 5: of some sort. At the time, it was the closest
Speaker 5: thing that I'd ever heard of it. I had searched
Speaker 5: and never really knew what it was until that day.
Speaker 5: And that's when I started researching Bigfoot, and then I
Speaker 5: started to learn about tree knocks, and then I delve
Speaker 5: into the was it the North American?
Speaker 4: What a conservatory?
Speaker 5: Is that what it's called. I finally found a vocalization
Speaker 5: on that website that it's exactly what I heard. But
Speaker 5: for me, the funny thing about recordings like that is
Speaker 5: they do it zero justice. I can hear it. It's
Speaker 5: an area X long howl is what it is. That's
Speaker 5: exactly what I heard as far as the vocalization, but
Speaker 5: hearing it in person, I always described it like it
Speaker 5: was static. It was like an air raid siren up
Speaker 5: in the distance. Right, maybe a half mile. I don't
Speaker 5: know how to judge distance like that, but it was
Speaker 5: like an air raid siren, accept much much deeper and
Speaker 5: it was alive. That's about how I describe it. Yes,
Speaker 5: just aw my research. After that, I started learning that
Speaker 5: bigfoot was a thing and get into it and learning
Speaker 5: about it and seeing other people's stories. I started to realize, Wow,
Speaker 5: there's something to this.
Speaker 1: Things like that tend to do one of two things.
Speaker 1: I said so many times on the show. People have
Speaker 1: experiences and it either causes them to run as fast
Speaker 1: as they can in the other direction, or you go
Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole and start looking into these things.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad that you chose to start looking into it, because,
Speaker 1: especially with vocalizations, it's very difficult to explain to people
Speaker 1: what you hear. When you hear these things like you
Speaker 1: said in real time. The very first thing that ever
Speaker 1: happened to us here on our property in North Carolina
Speaker 1: was the vocalizations that started. I was just pulling up
Speaker 1: the area ex long howl as you were talking, and
Speaker 1: I'll insert it in here for everybody to hear so
Speaker 1: you can get an idea of what.
Speaker 4: You're talking about.
Speaker 1: What we were hearing. Was that Ohio the map money maker,
Speaker 1: Ohio Howell kind of thing that air raid siren sound
Speaker 1: off in the distance probably I'm estimating a mile and
Speaker 1: a half off in the distance. I've been hearing some
Speaker 1: weird shit recently here, even during the day that's making
Speaker 1: the dogs go absolutely batshit crazy here on the properties.
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to put out some recorders. I
Speaker 1: don't normally keep recorders out during the day because you
Speaker 1: don't tend to get a whole lot of stuff going
Speaker 1: on around here. But I'm going to try to do
Speaker 1: that and capture it because something is making this sound
Speaker 1: on this ridge across from us, and when you try
Speaker 1: to explain it to people, it's like there's really no
Speaker 1: tangible way to say it sounded like this. I can't
Speaker 1: produce the sound. I can't make that sound. I'm glad
Speaker 1: that you found something. Finally, it's over on woodap dot org.
Speaker 1: You guys can check out the North American what Ape
Speaker 1: Conservancy stuff. Again. I will pull that from there inserted
Speaker 1: so you guys can get an idea of what you're
Speaker 1: talking about it. Let's talk a little bit about going
Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole. When you started going into the
Speaker 1: research and looking into these things. Were you finding anything
Speaker 1: that surprised you in your research or were you pretty
Speaker 1: much on par with what you expected to find when
Speaker 1: you started going down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 5: When I started looking into it, the first thing that
Speaker 5: I found that caught my attention was it maybe I've
Speaker 5: seen it called do Ohio vocalization. I've also seen it
Speaker 5: called the Trent vocalization from Bruno, West Virginia. When I
Speaker 5: ran into that at that time, that was definitely the
Speaker 5: closest thing i'd heard to it. So I started there.
Speaker 5: I wanted to find something in my area that I
Speaker 5: could relate to in some way, but I never really
Speaker 5: found too much in that sense, I guess going down
Speaker 5: to a rabbit hole, I don't know if I'm figuring anything
Speaker 5: more out than I knew, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 5: I've read a lot of things, I've heard a lot
Speaker 5: of things, and it's just like everybody, not everybody, but
Speaker 5: most people. Some people I guess have different experiences. But
Speaker 5: it's like I feel like everybody I see talk about this,
Speaker 5: it's like everybody's in the same boat. There's an interview
Speaker 5: that I really like a lot that's local to me.
Speaker 5: It's in a county over, which was a feeling named
Speaker 5: Billy Humphrey. I think he was on Animal Planet and stuff.
Speaker 5: I know there's a YouTube channel called West Virginia Cryptis
Speaker 5: to Strange Encounters less Odell. He interviewed him, and his
Speaker 5: second interview with him. That's probably the most interesting thing
Speaker 5: to me because it's a county over and how he
Speaker 5: talks about it, just how he said it. Does it
Speaker 5: in threes. You'll hear these localizations in threes, and that's
Speaker 5: exactly what I heard. How he described is exactly how
Speaker 5: it was for me. I've always been more interesting in
Speaker 5: the idea local to me more than like the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 1: That certainly makes sense. This is a tough question. I
Speaker 1: don't normally ask people what they think these things are
Speaker 1: because I don't think anybody has any clue. But going
Speaker 1: into your research and this is something that's been more
Speaker 1: prolific for me recently. It's definitely been a learning curve
Speaker 1: for me going into this, doing all these interviews talking
Speaker 1: to people. I have very much a flesh and blood guy.
Speaker 1: I'm a very nuts and boltz person. I want to
Speaker 1: see the evidence. But man, I tell you, the more
Speaker 1: I have talked to people over the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: and even some of my own experiences. I hate to
Speaker 1: say this, but it feels like there may be more
Speaker 1: to this I just put out as we record this.
Speaker 1: I dropped an episode today on telepathy. I've interviewed so
Speaker 1: many people and talked to so many people. I have
Speaker 1: friends who have experienced Less. Stroud survivor man he talked
Speaker 1: about it on the show a couple of times. I'm
Speaker 1: going out on an expedition with Less later this year,
Speaker 1: probably in September October, and I'm gonna sit around the
Speaker 1: campfire and ask him more about this mind speaks stuff,
Speaker 1: because so many people talk about it, and I used
Speaker 1: to just roll my eyes and laugh and say, there's
Speaker 1: no way this is happening. But I've gotten into other
Speaker 1: aspects of that with telepathy, with autistic children and some
Speaker 1: of their caregivers, their clinicians, even having this connection with
Speaker 1: these kids. If you listen to the Telepathy Tapes podcast, folks,
Speaker 1: I talked about it so many times. If you're into
Speaker 1: that at all, it's a phenomenal podcast to listen to.
Speaker 1: Hands down, to me, they prove that telepathy is real.
Speaker 1: So if telepathy can be real with autistic people and
Speaker 1: young adults and children, and these people that don't have
Speaker 1: autism have these connections with these kids. And it's also
Speaker 1: true in animals. Their studies. Rupert Sheldrake has done studies
Speaker 1: and animals, dogs, parrots, horses, you name it. It runs
Speaker 1: the gamut. They have these can actions with their owners.
Speaker 1: They know things that happened. There's no way that they
Speaker 1: would know it if they didn't have this telepathic communication.
Speaker 1: People have told me before. Tom Powell is one of
Speaker 1: those people that told me years ago. The late Henry
Speaker 1: Franzoni told me, the longer you're in this, man, the
Speaker 1: more you're going to move to that side of things
Speaker 1: that can't be explained with Newtonian physics. There is something
Speaker 1: more going on here. And I hate to say that.
Speaker 1: People probably rolling their eyes now, thinking, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Brian's gone off the deep end. He was the rational guy.
Speaker 1: But now I'm talking about telepathy possibly being real with
Speaker 1: these creatures. So I am really wide open man. I
Speaker 1: tell you same thing with the eye shine. People have
Speaker 1: talked about self illuminating eyes and eye shine and the
Speaker 1: difference in those. I've put out episodes on the show
Speaker 1: recently going into the difference in self illuminating eyes and
Speaker 1: eye shine. We're not supposed to have that as human beings.
Speaker 1: Great apes don't have that. Yet these things have self
Speaker 1: illuminating eyes. I've seen it myself. That was part of
Speaker 1: my experience had last summer. I saw self illuminating white
Speaker 1: eyeshine from these creatures. Totally blew my mind. I'm still
Speaker 1: processing and I don't know how they could have that ability,
Speaker 1: but they seem to have that ability. You start going
Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole and I feel like you just
Speaker 1: scratch the surface, and I'm in the boat with everybody else.
Speaker 1: It's a very good analogy you had. I think you
Speaker 1: and I are in the same boat with hundreds, possibly
Speaker 1: thousands of other people that have had experiences. They can't explain.
Speaker 1: The problem in the community, I think is sometimes we're
Speaker 1: all in the same boat and you got people rowing
Speaker 1: in different directions. That seems to be a problem that
Speaker 1: we're having. We can't agree on anything. It seems in
Speaker 1: this community. The second I started posting anything about even
Speaker 1: having any credibility being perceived that these creatures might have
Speaker 1: some kind of ability to telepathically communicate with people, people
Speaker 1: start scoffing. They're like, oh my god, he's lost his mind.
Speaker 1: He's going down the WU camp. He's gone. We've lost Brian,
Speaker 1: and stay tuned for more sasquatch Ott to see we'll
Speaker 1: be right back after these messages. And I just don't
Speaker 1: think that's accurate, man. I think we have to be
Speaker 1: open minded. And I even included a quote in the
Speaker 1: episode that dropped today. As the information changes, as the
Speaker 1: facts change, I change my mind. And I think so
Speaker 1: many people in Digfoot research tend to be stuck in
Speaker 1: their ways and they refuse to accept new information and
Speaker 1: new facts as they come in. So that's why I
Speaker 1: love interviews like this. Even if it's just an auditory experience,
Speaker 1: it would be considered a BFRO Class C or whatever
Speaker 1: the case may be. You didn't see what happened, but
Speaker 1: it's just as important as somebody who has a roadside
Speaker 1: crossing or somebody who sees one while they're in a
Speaker 1: deer stand, because all of that data, to me, is
Speaker 1: very important. We put all that stuff togethers Like you said,
Speaker 1: you heard these in threes. You've got wood knocks mixed
Speaker 1: in with vocalizations. That is a very common thing that
Speaker 1: happens across these experiences, and if you're experiencing in West Virginia,
Speaker 1: I'm experiencing it in BC Canada, people are experiencing in
Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest, in Florida. We just have to be
Speaker 1: open minded enough as a community and as researchers and
Speaker 1: people investigating this to come together and say, let's take
Speaker 1: what these people are seeing and see if we can
Speaker 1: figure out patterns. I appreciate you coming on and sharing
Speaker 1: your experiences. It is important, just as much, like I said,
Speaker 1: as any sighting. I just went and did my interview
Speaker 1: with Ron Moorehead a couple of weeks ago and put
Speaker 1: that episode out. I just put out seven or eight
Speaker 1: minutes of those unreleased Sierra sounds, and people are starting
Speaker 1: to comment on them and saying, man, it's similar to
Speaker 1: what we've heard before, but there's a difference there. There's
Speaker 1: some nuances. I probably got another thirty minutes or so
Speaker 1: of that stuff that I've got to go through now,
Speaker 1: and then Ron's got hours of it. Then I'm going
Speaker 1: to try to help him catalog at some point because
Speaker 1: I think there's some nuggets there that we can dig
Speaker 1: into and hopefully get some more information out of its
Speaker 1: data is data.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 1: So I appreciate you coming on and sharing your experiences.
Speaker 1: Have had a good time talking to you.
Speaker 5: Thank you. It's been good man. I really appreciate you.
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