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<v Speaker 1>Get ready for.

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<v Speaker 2>The digital thing. I call a calendar says it's June four,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five, and this is the O'Kelly effect. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a little confused, and you know why the world is

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<v Speaker 2>a confusing place. Anyway, it is Wednesday as I speak.

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<v Speaker 2>Last I checked, and I'm happy to have Larry Hancock

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<v Speaker 2>with me. Of course, go to Larry dash Hancock dot

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<v Speaker 2>com stay up to date on the many activities of

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who keeps saying he's retired from stuff, but

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<v Speaker 2>seems more active than the average college professor. Anyway, it

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<v Speaker 2>is what it is. Check out his blog. Obviously I

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<v Speaker 2>recommend all of his books. Today's relevant book would be unidentified.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's god. I mean, I don't even know how

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<v Speaker 2>far away you've gotten from that original writing. Now, considering

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<v Speaker 2>all the word that you've been doing with the Scientific

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<v Speaker 2>Coalition for UAP Studies the SCU, and there's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a link in the show notes to the latest release,

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<v Speaker 2>which is entitled let's see Study identifies the Evolving Patterns

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<v Speaker 2>of Activity by Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon. Now, I usually would

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<v Speaker 2>just turn this right over to Larry and say, give

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<v Speaker 2>me an update. What's going on. But we live in

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<v Speaker 2>a strange world. And I tried to use AI to

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<v Speaker 2>build an AI generating video thing, and it builds it.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks good and doesn't work, and seems to be

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<v Speaker 2>the perfect metaphor for AI because it won't conduct research

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<v Speaker 2>properly either, at least none of the open source ones.

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<v Speaker 2>I've tried to get them to do research these different things.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether it's Rock or SAM or whoever, it doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 2>You actually got to do the work yourself. Number one.

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<v Speaker 2>Number two, I'm noticing in them, and this is where

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna hand it over to you, Larry. I'm noticing

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<v Speaker 2>in the media almost like the table is being set

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<v Speaker 2>now for maybe a chance to capitalize on once again

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<v Speaker 2>the interest in the UAP, you know, the unidentified aerial phenomena,

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<v Speaker 2>or there's some other aerial there's some other thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I saw, Like the government has a definition and Mirriam

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<v Speaker 2>Webster has a definition, and they're slightly different now for UAP,

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<v Speaker 2>and some people, you know, sit and complain about that.

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<v Speaker 2>My complaint is more about how we've gone from firing

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<v Speaker 2>the sky and alien abductions and reversed engineering to let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk about real world things that we can prove and

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff that was hidden and what is the government

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<v Speaker 2>actually not willing to talk about or at least wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>up until a couple of years ago. And where does

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<v Speaker 2>that all stand? So disclosure, as they would say, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>dramatically on coast to coast AM, disclosure coming up on

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<v Speaker 2>coast to coast AM. What is the deal here, Larry?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what are we talking about when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to that kind of stuff? And you know that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to feed into the interest here for this And realistically,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm more interested in the angle you guys are going after.

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<v Speaker 2>The military had to react to things, they had to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with things that were occurring, and still nobody can

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<v Speaker 2>pin it on a foreign adversary. Nobody can pin it

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<v Speaker 2>on somebody else. You have that category of the unexplained

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much in the UAP files now and in the

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<v Speaker 2>submission process. And this is all stuff that's happened only

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<v Speaker 2>in the past couple of years or am I mistaken Larry.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, I would say it's happened over the last decade

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<v Speaker 3>and hinges on the word disclosure, because prior to the nineties,

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<v Speaker 3>in the first few decades of UFO activity, it was

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<v Speaker 3>all a basic challenge like are these things real? Are

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<v Speaker 3>these really anomaloust craft, you know, things that can't do

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<v Speaker 3>what we can do? Is it really truly alien unconventional technology?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, very simple, straightforward question, like, you know, are

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<v Speaker 3>those things really there? And if so, is it possible

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<v Speaker 3>to demonstrate that they're absolutely not ours? You know, they're

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<v Speaker 3>so unconventional it can't be earthly technology. And that that

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<v Speaker 3>was the question for several decades, really the.

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<v Speaker 2>Key question, and it was tied.

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<v Speaker 3>They were no longer the key question, it seems for many.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was tied to another question, which was, Okay, now,

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<v Speaker 2>let's be honest here. If it's not an enemy nation

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<v Speaker 2>state that has created a technology that we don't understand,

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps it's our own technology that's being hidden. And that

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<v Speaker 2>weirdness came up with you remember the drones over Jersey

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<v Speaker 2>and nobody knew what the hell they were, and now

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<v Speaker 2>they very quietly sort of you know, put out a

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<v Speaker 2>little release which said, and I knew it was coming,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, I'm one of the few people that

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<v Speaker 2>read this right when I saw that the joint air bases,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a place in South Jersey. Just I'm sure Larry

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<v Speaker 2>you know this. There's a place in South Jersey where

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<v Speaker 2>the Air Force, the naval air base, and a army base,

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<v Speaker 2>a training facility that usually is known for you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they do exercises where they like blow off what do

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<v Speaker 2>they call those things, a big ammunition like artillery shells

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<v Speaker 2>get blown off and shake the whole county in Jersey anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>that's at the army base. But McGuire and Lakers Naval

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<v Speaker 2>Air Base and Fort Dix are literally thought of as

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<v Speaker 2>one facility by some of the military, even though they

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<v Speaker 2>are somewhat separated. McGuire and Dicks are kind of connected,

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<v Speaker 2>but Lakers is actually separated by a bunch of civilian population.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's literally the area I talk about. When on

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<v Speaker 2>nine to eleven I saw tanks roll in the streets,

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<v Speaker 2>that was because they were rolling between these facilities. There

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<v Speaker 2>was an instant lockdown in those facilities. And when those

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<v Speaker 2>guys who are involved in observing what's going on in

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<v Speaker 2>the air are involved in all sorts of military issues

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to air travel, turned around and said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we know that civilians are spotting all these drones over Jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't see anything. That was my immediate red flag

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<v Speaker 2>to say, that's probably our thing that they're denying knowing

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<v Speaker 2>anything about at all because that standard operating procedure. And

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out there was this like mild admission that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we were testing something. You remember the drones over Jersey

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<v Speaker 2>and then they found them over California and a couple

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<v Speaker 2>other places or groupings of drones, and there was the

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<v Speaker 2>big debate is it civilian? Is it foreign? Is it this? Ye?

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<v Speaker 2>And I bring this up because again technically speaking, this

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<v Speaker 2>could be an unidentified aerial phenomena. Even though nobody's thinking

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<v Speaker 2>UFO here, they are thinking drones and who the hell's

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<v Speaker 2>are they? For lack of a better term, what are

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<v Speaker 2>your thoughts on that? And what did you think of

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<v Speaker 2>that when you saw it? Because I, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>my immediate red flag came up and I said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I guarantee it's a government test. And that's why the

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<v Speaker 2>joint you know, aerial assets there from the military are

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<v Speaker 2>all playing dumb because they're going to go now, we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't see anything, because that would be it. They would

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<v Speaker 2>deny even knowing about it, because that way there's no

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<v Speaker 2>further questions. We don't know anything. What can we tell you?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? I mean, what are your thoughts on that?

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<v Speaker 3>Probably, well two thoughts. One that is now the current

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<v Speaker 3>direction of the day of the dialogue. I will guarantee

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<v Speaker 3>you that that UFOs now now we're talking about an

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<v Speaker 3>unidentified flying object. This is not an anomalous anything. It's

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<v Speaker 3>something that you can hear, something that you can see.

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<v Speaker 3>It has lights. This is not you know, your classic

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<v Speaker 3>alien disc craft. So I think I think we may

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<v Speaker 3>have to go back to UFO to describe those drones

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<v Speaker 3>really are money in the situation, and quite frankly, they

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<v Speaker 3>are going to take over the entire conversation on the

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<v Speaker 3>military side, given Troit just happened to Russia and the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that we have been studiously ignoring this threat. Although

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I know people who who are working on

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<v Speaker 3>anti drone projects. It's not that we're ignoring it to

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<v Speaker 3>that extent. We have no answers. We have no good answers.

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<v Speaker 3>When the Navy Task Group of San Diego was swamped

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<v Speaker 3>by a set of what most likely we're Chinese drones,

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<v Speaker 3>they pulled out their anti drone electronics weapons and they

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<v Speaker 3>had no effect whatsoever. I think what you saw in

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<v Speaker 3>New Jersey was a denial, not because we were testing something.

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<v Speaker 3>But because we are, our classic response and we're confronting

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<v Speaker 3>something that we can't deal with is denial like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I didn't see it. You know that

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<v Speaker 3>story goes all the way back to UFOs over nuclear

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<v Speaker 3>weapons bases. You know, No, we didn't. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what you people are talking about in the press. Nobody

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<v Speaker 3>saw anything. You just you shut it down. So I

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<v Speaker 3>would love to think it was us testing something. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think that's what it was. I honestly think that

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<v Speaker 3>we have been tested for the better part of three

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<v Speaker 3>years now in the same manner.

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<v Speaker 4>That that you do, you test capabilities, and I see

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<v Speaker 4>it as much more dangerous I've been I've been talking

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<v Speaker 4>about this, the ability to have an adversary neutralize you

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<v Speaker 4>with no atomic weapons, no ICBMs, no this or that.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the way, you don't you can't pin it

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<v Speaker 3>on them. It's a classic case of they can take

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<v Speaker 3>you out of action, and since you can't prove that

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<v Speaker 3>it's them, you can't strike back. It's a very dangerous

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<v Speaker 3>thing about drones. Of course, not for Ukraine and Russia,

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<v Speaker 3>that's clear, but you know, if if we had a

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<v Speaker 3>massive drone attack you know, those in the drones are

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<v Speaker 3>just commercially available drones who you're going to blame.

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<v Speaker 2>We have an a londance of suspects immedialy, Like if

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<v Speaker 2>it happened next week, there be an abundance of suspects

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<v Speaker 2>that could have hit the US for different reasons depending

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<v Speaker 2>on the target, and therefore we'd have no logical I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>in the case of the Russian and Ukraine thing, it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of obvious. But the amazing thing about this to

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<v Speaker 2>me is that, and let me be clear, I predicted

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<v Speaker 2>their response. I'm not saying that that's even the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying is I knew what their response was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be and how they were going to handle

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<v Speaker 2>it publicly. Now internally is yet another issue, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>something we need to keep in mind always here is

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<v Speaker 2>even if there's a denial upfront and even feigning ignorance,

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<v Speaker 2>we saw nothing, which was amazing because people are posting

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<v Speaker 2>online their own phone videos of these drones going, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>there's dozens of these things overhead, and our military bases

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<v Speaker 2>are going well, we didn't see anything. That's a sign. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and I hate.

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<v Speaker 3>Be an alarmist, but I mean within the past four years,

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<v Speaker 3>we have had a major incident over a naval task

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<v Speaker 3>force in the Naval Task Force in the Atlantic around

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<v Speaker 3>our ic VM bases in the north tier of the country.

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<v Speaker 3>We've had waves of UFO sidings in all of those instances,

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<v Speaker 3>and we you know, even when people were forced to

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<v Speaker 3>acknowledge that they were Yes, they were there, and they

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<v Speaker 3>act like groans, but we don't know who they were.

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<v Speaker 3>Well there you go, uh in any event. But but

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<v Speaker 3>those those are not what we're talking about when we

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<v Speaker 3>talk about u A p UAP by definition, have to

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<v Speaker 3>demonstrate some capability acceleration, uh, gravity, neutral uh, something that

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<v Speaker 3>makes them you know, outside anything we know about deployed

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<v Speaker 3>you know technology. We're not talking stealth. We know stealth,

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<v Speaker 3>but they truly have to be anomalous in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>their capabilities and so that we need to differentiate those UAPs.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are the classic UFOs you know that are hovering,

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<v Speaker 3>that shoot away and they go away so fast they

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<v Speaker 3>disappear to be disappear. But the dialogue that has emerged,

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<v Speaker 3>especially in the congressional earrings, has become verymodeled, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>everything is smeared together. There's there's no taxonomy to drive

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<v Speaker 3>the discussion. It's kind of like, what what are you

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<v Speaker 3>talking about? Where are you talking about? Uh, we just

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<v Speaker 3>led it all for the last few years to move

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<v Speaker 3>from what I would call the investigation of a phenomena

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<v Speaker 3>to be more much more conspiracy oriented view that, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>the US government knows what it is, the deep state

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<v Speaker 3>knows what it is. They only know what it is.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no doubt they have samples, they are providing them

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<v Speaker 3>to aircraft companies, so on and so forth. It's another

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<v Speaker 3>deep state conspiracy. And it's once you move it into

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<v Speaker 2>And here's the thing. It's strange because some of the

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<v Speaker 2>more outlandish parts of this And meanwhile, your first study

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<v Speaker 2>was only post World War Two into the mid seventies.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's because that's what's available according to the records, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what you can get your hands on. And I

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<v Speaker 2>can't help but feel like deja vu here regarding the

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<v Speaker 2>JFK thing, where we end up with a public hearing

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<v Speaker 2>that devolves into weird political grandstanding and witnesses not really

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<v Speaker 2>speaking about what they witnessed, but talking about their theories,

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<v Speaker 2>their other stuff that they want to get to suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>declaring themselves whistleblowers of sorts. Some of it more dramatic

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<v Speaker 2>in the UAP field than the JFK field, but very similar.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't think it's the fault of Representative Luna

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<v Speaker 2>that this is happening. Meanwhile, the public interprets this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>based on what the flashy headline that somehow gets culled

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<v Speaker 2>together by the media, but doesn't understand the process, the meaning,

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<v Speaker 2>what's actually been released, what's being analyzed, and what's not

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<v Speaker 2>being analyzed. So where do you begin If somebody says, Larry,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm interested in this, but why does this even matter?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this not going to be another weird circus? And

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<v Speaker 2>are we going to get another guy who says we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to reverse engineer stuff, which, by the way, reverse

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<v Speaker 2>engineering is a reality, but he says we're reverse engineering

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<v Speaker 2>alien stuff that's not necessarily proven, but he claims it is.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's one whistle blowers. So here we go again

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<v Speaker 2>with part of the truth out front, but then it

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<v Speaker 2>gets lost in the muddled melee of people's belief systems

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<v Speaker 2>and political grand standing in between. Oh, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>the Democrats are more on the side of the aliens

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<v Speaker 2>aren't they, uh, you know, et cetera. Right. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we haven't seen that statement yet, but I'm waiting on it,

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<v Speaker 2>and you had.

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<v Speaker 3>To, I'd say there's a two part answer check. I

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<v Speaker 3>think the first part is just I want to qualify

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<v Speaker 3>this this term whistle blower, because it's come to annoy

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<v Speaker 3>me so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, please.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of what's being discussed around disclosure is discussed

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of quote unquote whistle blowers, right, yeh. While

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<v Speaker 3>there are whistle blowers quote unquote that describe themselves as

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<v Speaker 3>whistle blowers, the term itself means that I is an

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<v Speaker 3>official channel to report something that I'm protected in that

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<v Speaker 3>reporting because I reported it to an inspector general or

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<v Speaker 3>someone in the chain of command. It's officially on record somewhere,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a file. And one of the things that has

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<v Speaker 3>happened is legislation has actually been passed by Converse that

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<v Speaker 3>would protect There's no way anybody that is an official

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<v Speaker 3>it has blow the whistle on UAPs and filed something

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<v Speaker 3>like that can be prosecuted. Now, the interesting thing is

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<v Speaker 3>that virtually all those people that came into Luna's hearings

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<v Speaker 3>and represented themselves as whistleblowers are now protected. And the

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<v Speaker 3>interesting thing is what we're being told back is not

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<v Speaker 3>a single one of them has. They've all been invited

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<v Speaker 3>to go to AARO, which is the official Department of

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<v Speaker 3>Defense investigating group, and to reassert their claim, provide their

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<v Speaker 3>evidence on and so forth, and assure that they're legally protected,

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<v Speaker 3>and nothing at all has emerged from that. And in

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<v Speaker 3>the number of cases the people are saying, well, I

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<v Speaker 3>can't do that because I'm afraid for my life. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>afraid from it. It's like, wait a minute, there is

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<v Speaker 3>no solution for this. If you don't behave like a

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<v Speaker 3>you know, if we give you all the credit, we

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<v Speaker 3>give you the protection of a whistleblower, and then for

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<v Speaker 3>whatever reason you don't exercise it, you're not one. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>You're just somebody talking about what you've heard whatever. So

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<v Speaker 3>we have to be very cautious with that term. And

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<v Speaker 3>I just obsess about that. So that's why I was

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<v Speaker 3>rambling on. But for the part of your question, how

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<v Speaker 3>can we cope with that? The way we cope with it,

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<v Speaker 3>the way the team that I'm working with copes with it,

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<v Speaker 3>is to pull back from that and say, look that

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<v Speaker 3>the data is so smeared at the moment, the data

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<v Speaker 3>from you know, do we have a few incidents of

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<v Speaker 3>very few incidents that we could hang our hack on

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<v Speaker 3>that they you know, that's been revealed to the public. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>four or five incidents, probably not even the best incidents.

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<v Speaker 3>But you can't do much with that because we don't

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<v Speaker 3>have any technical data. We don't have the metadata from video.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's like we're at sea. The way things are

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<v Speaker 3>being handled currently with classification and especially classification on sources

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<v Speaker 3>technology sources, we're kind of at sea. So we stepped

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<v Speaker 3>back in time and we went back to the period

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<v Speaker 3>that you talked about earlier, nineteen forty five, nineteen seventy five.

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<v Speaker 3>At that point in time, the phenomena was being explored

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<v Speaker 3>officially by the Air Force, investigated case files were being made,

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<v Speaker 3>and fortuitously we can get our hands on all that data.

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<v Speaker 3>And that not just includes the data, that includes in

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<v Speaker 3>several cases radar screen photos measurements, technology measurements that you

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<v Speaker 3>can actually hang your hat on. You know, I can

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<v Speaker 3>look at photos from a radar screen and say, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>over this sack base. This UFO accelerated at one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and sixty G. That is an anomalist, you know, that's

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<v Speaker 3>not a conventional aircraft, that's not anything within our technology.

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<v Speaker 3>There are a host of implications for that. So we

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<v Speaker 3>decided to step back in time and build a data

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<v Speaker 3>set that we could vet and then we could go

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<v Speaker 3>start doing some work on pattern analysis. So basically, as

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<v Speaker 3>much as we would like to deal with current events,

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<v Speaker 3>we just can't extract the data to allow us to

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<v Speaker 3>do anything meaningful. That's why our intention study, our pattern

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<v Speaker 3>analysis study, covers some three decades and several hundred cases

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<v Speaker 3>that we were able to vet very solidly that were

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<v Speaker 3>officially reported, officially investigated. They're not just stuff out of

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<v Speaker 3>the newspaper, you know. And that was the body that

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<v Speaker 3>we chose to deal with from an analytical standpoint. So

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<v Speaker 2>All right, now, has this changed your working thesis, the

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<v Speaker 2>things that have happened over time, the reactions to this stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>or have you been relatively unchanged the whole group? I

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<v Speaker 2>mean now regarding the data that you were going after,

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<v Speaker 2>because you're being selective, you're selecting certain data from a

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<v Speaker 2>Did it change the thesis, the working thesis from the beginning. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Because in all honesty, we didn't have a working thesis.

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<v Speaker 3>We didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>This is pure.

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<v Speaker 3>The methodology that we're following is called indications analysis. It's

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<v Speaker 3>used in military intelligence to deal with subjects where you

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<v Speaker 3>have some observations, not a whole lot of observations, and

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<v Speaker 3>they're they're not reproducible. You know, they're they're you know,

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<v Speaker 3>somebody reported tanks over here, aircraft over there, movements of troops.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, your adversary is not going to be kind

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<v Speaker 3>enough to you to make this stuff readily visible and

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<v Speaker 3>keep doing the same thing so you can figure you know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a methodology that was developed during the Cold War,

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<v Speaker 3>primarily post World War two, to try to deal with

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<v Speaker 3>data sets that are incomplete, that are non reproducible, and

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<v Speaker 3>it addresses them with some techniques like in patterns analysis

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<v Speaker 3>and certain types of analytics to wait sightings against each other.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the methodology we chose to use. I did test

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<v Speaker 3>that methodology and unidentified and that was kind of the

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<v Speaker 3>starting point for all this. But when we started out,

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<v Speaker 3>we had no idea where we were going to get

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<v Speaker 3>We just asked a couple of very basic questions, and

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<v Speaker 3>in an indications analysis, what you do is you posit

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<v Speaker 3>some scenarios, you know, with what we're seeing a limited

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<v Speaker 3>amount of data. Could it be this, could it be that?

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<v Speaker 3>Could it be another thing? And we go through the

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<v Speaker 3>methodology and rank them. And you can't ever say absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>certain that if you did, that would be reproducible and

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<v Speaker 3>it would be science. This is for strategic studies, warning studies,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. So what we do is with each one

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<v Speaker 3>of these studies, and we've now done four of them,

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<v Speaker 3>we come up with five or six scenarios, rank through

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<v Speaker 3>the methodology, and rank the scenario.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But the scenarios are actually born from the patterns

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<v Speaker 2>that emerge from seemingly loosely related organic incidents. In other words, right, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually I turn that around. Basically, you ask yourself a question,

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<v Speaker 3>what could what could be going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>What could be going on? And then you collect the

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<v Speaker 3>data and then you look for the patterns, and if

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<v Speaker 3>you find a pattern, it should be stronger for one

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<v Speaker 3>scenario than another. You know, what does this look more like?

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<v Speaker 2>This is incomplex? I meant to say what you just said,

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<v Speaker 2>and I want to do exactly the opposite way, because

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<v Speaker 2>this is not something that's often done publicly. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Usually people come up with a thesis and then they

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<v Speaker 2>they seek data to support the thesis. That's usually what

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<v Speaker 2>you get at of a lot of these studies. But

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<v Speaker 2>this is not that. So it's yeah, okay, I got

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<v Speaker 2>it now, and you just put it better. Thank you. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>after five.

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<v Speaker 3>Years of practicing, you know, one of these days I'll

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<v Speaker 2>Well. What is the for the uninitiated, for somebody who's

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<v Speaker 2>just jumping into this? I mean, what in your mind

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<v Speaker 2>is the overall goal though, because there is an overall

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<v Speaker 2>goal here, and that is to recognize what these incidents

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<v Speaker 2>represent that are somewhat extraordinary, right, I mean, is this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, even a threat? Is this a threat? Is

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<v Speaker 2>this monitoring? Is this you know, something we could point

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<v Speaker 2>at a nation state for and say, okay, it's really

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, as strange as it might sound, it's the uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. The UK's Air Force is studying us,

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<v Speaker 2>and they happen to get certain technologies from somewhere else

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<v Speaker 2>and they're testing their stuff on us. That's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>who knows I'm inventing a scenario out of thin air.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I'm saying is, eventually you want to come

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<v Speaker 2>to some sort of conclusion here where you can say, look,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what likely is going on here based on

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<v Speaker 2>the patterns that emerge. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And in the book Unidentified, I asked that. The

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<v Speaker 3>first question I asked and did a kind of a

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<v Speaker 3>very rough use of the methodology, was, you know, is

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<v Speaker 3>what we saw during the first thirty years of UFO

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<v Speaker 3>report it's clear to be in the Russians. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>the Air Force for the first four years absolutely thought

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<v Speaker 3>it was the Russians. Every intelligence report that was generated

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<v Speaker 3>out of right Patterson Air Technical Intelligence, air intelligence said

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<v Speaker 3>this is the Russians, and the Russians are doing reconnaissance,

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<v Speaker 3>and the Russians are very likely during reconnaissance for a strike,

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<v Speaker 3>a preempty strike, right, And this wouldn't be unreasonable at

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<v Speaker 3>that time, based on the fact that we've figured our

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<v Speaker 3>adversary is doing the most sophisticated things it can to

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we saw this various times as a counter

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<v Speaker 2>literally born out of the idea that hey, wait a minute,

418
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<v Speaker 2>the Russians are probably doing this stuff. We better get

419
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<v Speaker 2>on it. Like literally, there was a reactionary thing going

420
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<v Speaker 2>on during the entirety of the Cold War. And it's

421
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:28.160
<v Speaker 2>not just about prejudice. It was about strategic reaction. You know,

422
00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:29.720
<v Speaker 2>if they're going to end up with a tool, we

423
00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:32.160
<v Speaker 2>better end up with it too, or we better end

424
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<v Speaker 2>up with a way to deal with it. This was

425
00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:38.599
<v Speaker 2>the you know, the mindset like for half a century

426
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:41.519
<v Speaker 2>pretty much, right? Or am I incorrect about that?

427
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:44.559
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's absolutely right, and it makes perfect sense from

428
00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:47.680
<v Speaker 3>a military standpoint. You can't yet, you know, we considered

429
00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:50.559
<v Speaker 3>ourselves in a Cold war, and if you didn't treat

430
00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:55.039
<v Speaker 3>it seriously and your adversary got one up when it

431
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:58.319
<v Speaker 3>turned hot, you lose. You know, that's the bottom line.

432
00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:02.440
<v Speaker 3>But so that's that's that's the question I tackled, and

433
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:06.079
<v Speaker 3>in a very limited scenario. It wasn't actually not a

434
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:08.039
<v Speaker 3>bunch of it's just like yes or no. Could it

435
00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:11.119
<v Speaker 3>have been in the book? Now when the when the

436
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:15.039
<v Speaker 3>team started work, we've done four studies. The first the

437
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:19.119
<v Speaker 3>first study in the first question we really asked ourselves,

438
00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:26.039
<v Speaker 3>is you know, is that again that there's a reason

439
00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:28.880
<v Speaker 3>to think that In the first few years of the

440
00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:35.240
<v Speaker 3>UFO reports even again, uh, the Air Force was very concerned,

441
00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:40.079
<v Speaker 3>the CIA was very concerned that whoever this was, could

442
00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:45.720
<v Speaker 3>be focused on our atomic weapons complex, you know. And

443
00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:50.039
<v Speaker 3>so the first set of scenarios that we looked at

444
00:28:50.119 --> 00:28:53.839
<v Speaker 3>in the first study really addressed that question. There's several

445
00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:57.400
<v Speaker 3>scenarios you set up and you and you say, you know,

446
00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:00.960
<v Speaker 3>is that really true? Is it? Was there a focus

447
00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:07.920
<v Speaker 3>on the atomic weapons complex? Was there focus on weapons deployment?

448
00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:12.039
<v Speaker 3>Was there? You know, is there any indication that there

449
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:17.359
<v Speaker 3>was an attempt to preempt the development? So a series

450
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.720
<v Speaker 3>of scenarios that we looked at in the first study

451
00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:26.119
<v Speaker 3>really related entirely to the military and specifically to whether

452
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:31.079
<v Speaker 3>or not there was a UAP focus on the atomic

453
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:36.680
<v Speaker 3>weapons development process, especially since we had started looking in

454
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<v Speaker 3>nineteen forty five. You know, so is their intent I

455
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:43.400
<v Speaker 3>guess that's the best way to describe it. Is there

456
00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:46.720
<v Speaker 3>can you make in a case that there's an intent

457
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:52.240
<v Speaker 3>of the UFOs the UAPs to focus there more than

458
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:55.799
<v Speaker 3>you know? Is that a primary focus? And by the way,

459
00:29:56.640 --> 00:29:58.720
<v Speaker 3>if you're going to do that, then the next question

460
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:01.839
<v Speaker 3>that you get asked is does that change over time?

461
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:05.880
<v Speaker 3>Did it continue? Is there? Because that's a very interesting question.

462
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:13.079
<v Speaker 3>If that focus changes, that tells you a lot about intention,

463
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:16.799
<v Speaker 3>and it tells you that this phenomenon is not random,

464
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:22.119
<v Speaker 3>that it's intelligent, that it's focused. And what we found

465
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:26.519
<v Speaker 3>in the second study was yes, indeed, over time, the

466
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:32.400
<v Speaker 3>UAPs were no longer concerned about the weapons development sites.

467
00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:36.960
<v Speaker 3>They were no longer they changed their focus. They changed

468
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:42.079
<v Speaker 3>their activity pattern from where weapons were developed and stockpiled

469
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:47.240
<v Speaker 3>to where they were deployed for use. It's very because,

470
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:54.599
<v Speaker 3>very obvious that they're kind of transition in activity patterns

471
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:58.160
<v Speaker 3>is telling us something about focus, and it's telling us

472
00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:04.319
<v Speaker 3>that the UAPs, quite frankly, are not random. They're not

473
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:08.960
<v Speaker 3>random there, it's not natural, it's not you know, it's

474
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:13.759
<v Speaker 3>not atmospherics. You know, there is a change in pattern

475
00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:16.359
<v Speaker 3>of activity. So that was the second study.

476
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Right, So it doesn't hear as though focus is indicated

477
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:21.480
<v Speaker 2>based on the change in the pattern. And by the way,

478
00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:24.799
<v Speaker 2>just for the listener, unidentified, the national intelligence problem of

479
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:28.359
<v Speaker 2>UFOs is I'm going to list a couple of places

480
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:31.079
<v Speaker 2>where you can buy it. But it has gone up

481
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:33.200
<v Speaker 2>in price. I don't know if you're aware of this, Larry,

482
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:36.119
<v Speaker 2>it's actually gone up in priced even in the used market,

483
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:40.039
<v Speaker 2>which I found strange. And also I'm finding entry saying

484
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:43.839
<v Speaker 2>that your book Nexus, which is another again highly recommended

485
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:47.559
<v Speaker 2>book by Larry Ancock, is now in the collectible realm

486
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:50.519
<v Speaker 2>for some reason. I don't know if it's because there

487
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:52.759
<v Speaker 2>aren't that many of them being printed anymore or what.

488
00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:56.559
<v Speaker 2>But also I still highly recommend the Skyhorse book, the

489
00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.960
<v Speaker 2>most recent oswaldt puzzle, the Oswald Uzzle Excuse Me, which

490
00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:03.160
<v Speaker 2>is call authored by David Boylan. But I just wanted

491
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:07.480
<v Speaker 2>to point out that this book is available in various forms,

492
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:10.240
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I know this doesn't put money in

493
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:12.720
<v Speaker 2>your pocket right away, Larry, but even in the used books,

494
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:14.240
<v Speaker 2>it's gone up in price.

495
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:20.440
<v Speaker 3>And let's be because I'm aging. Maybe that's it. Like, okay, well,

496
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:23.119
<v Speaker 3>now the question is when will I become collectible. That's

497
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:23.880
<v Speaker 3>a scary thought.

498
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:26.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't want that. You know, all of a sudden,

499
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:28.960
<v Speaker 2>certain authors die and their books are worth eight hundred dollars,

500
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:33.240
<v Speaker 2>and I really I'm not looking forward to that day, Larry. Okay,

501
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:36.400
<v Speaker 2>really I'm not, and I think you'll outlive me anyway.

502
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:40.920
<v Speaker 2>But look, let's get back to this. The patterns are

503
00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:44.440
<v Speaker 2>what's important here, and they do change, which indicates that

504
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:47.160
<v Speaker 2>there's a change in focus. Okay, I get that part,

505
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:53.279
<v Speaker 2>but can you really derive what that focus is based

506
00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:55.839
<v Speaker 2>on the change in the pattern Because you said, all

507
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:59.599
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden it goes from development to deployment. That's

508
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:01.240
<v Speaker 2>an import ifortant thing. I don't want to skip right

509
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:03.440
<v Speaker 2>over that. So could you just explain that a little better?

510
00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:08.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the bottom line is one of the one of you.

511
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:11.279
<v Speaker 3>You have to really it's really challenging to say, how

512
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:17.319
<v Speaker 3>could I how could I say among the military domain,

513
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:20.240
<v Speaker 3>which is the right term for it, how could I

514
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:24.480
<v Speaker 3>parse it out and say the EAPs were more active

515
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:28.359
<v Speaker 3>at the atomic weapons complex sites. Well, first, you've got

516
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:30.519
<v Speaker 3>to know where those are. You've got to know where

517
00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:35.359
<v Speaker 3>the material is being refined, you've got to know where

518
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:38.680
<v Speaker 3>the bombs are being assembled. That all changes over time,

519
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:40.720
<v Speaker 3>so you've got to have a firm grasp on that.

520
00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:41.640
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

521
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:44.480
<v Speaker 3>Then you have to be say, well, wait a minute,

522
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:48.799
<v Speaker 3>what can I compare that to what? What is what

523
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:53.200
<v Speaker 3>is comparable if I'm going to measure level of activity. Well,

524
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:55.640
<v Speaker 3>one of the things that after thinking about it for

525
00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:58.079
<v Speaker 3>a while, we went out and said, well, you know,

526
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:04.160
<v Speaker 3>we know that there's this whole air defense network, radar sites,

527
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:09.599
<v Speaker 3>anti aircraft missile sites. There was this whole network of

528
00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:13.840
<v Speaker 3>air defense that was developed over this early Cold War

529
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:17.880
<v Speaker 3>period that was separate. These weren't the same bases, they're

530
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:21.760
<v Speaker 3>different locations, they're different sites. So we went through a

531
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:26.679
<v Speaker 3>lot of work comparing the two because frankly, the air

532
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:31.480
<v Speaker 3>defense sites had more radars, they had more interceptors. I mean,

533
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:36.119
<v Speaker 3>they're focused on UFOs, right, that's their day job. Spot them,

534
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:40.000
<v Speaker 3>intercept them, identify them if necessary, to shoot them down.

535
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:45.639
<v Speaker 3>The scientists at Oakridge and Los Alamos and Sanda Base

536
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:49.400
<v Speaker 3>are putting together bombs. Now, that's not their day job.

537
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:52.760
<v Speaker 2>So early quickly when air reporting.

538
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:56.079
<v Speaker 3>More UFOs than the air defense sites are, that's sort

539
00:34:56.119 --> 00:34:56.760
<v Speaker 3>of interesting.

540
00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:00.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, I want to ask you something which is miraculos Lee,

541
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:03.760
<v Speaker 2>I got my first question ever on teams uh. And

542
00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:06.280
<v Speaker 2>also it's sort of indicated in the live chat room

543
00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:08.000
<v Speaker 2>real fast here, so I'm just going to ask you

544
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:12.960
<v Speaker 2>about it. There are sort of like cluster sightings that

545
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:16.840
<v Speaker 2>have been noted by civilians over time, and one of

546
00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:19.920
<v Speaker 2>them is mentioned here as the as the eighties and

547
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:24.079
<v Speaker 2>nineties sightings in the Hudson Valley area which is over

548
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:26.599
<v Speaker 2>by you know, New York, New Jersey area. Uh. You

549
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:28.840
<v Speaker 2>mentioned Los Alamos and some of these, you know, key

550
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:32.480
<v Speaker 2>nuclear facilities, but people do forget we have some of

551
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:35.840
<v Speaker 2>those on the East coast, you know. For instance, there's

552
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:39.719
<v Speaker 2>a like a nuclear what do you called submarine base

553
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:43.639
<v Speaker 2>in Connecticut of all places, you know, and I think

554
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:45.519
<v Speaker 2>that was a secret for a long time, but now

555
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:46.840
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of an open secret.

556
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:50.519
<v Speaker 3>Would anybody know about all those places? And they're they're

557
00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:51.920
<v Speaker 3>all in our pattern study?

558
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:54.639
<v Speaker 2>What about the Hudson Valley thing? Though, because they're asking

559
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:55.159
<v Speaker 2>to answer the.

560
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:58.719
<v Speaker 3>Question with that two answers to the question. Absolutely totally

561
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:03.519
<v Speaker 3>aware of the Hudson River Valley. Those sightings actually we

562
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.840
<v Speaker 3>do mention them in our work, but the majority of

563
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:11.840
<v Speaker 3>them occurred after our study ends and they weren't reported

564
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:14.719
<v Speaker 3>to the Air Force. I've got books on the shelf

565
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:18.239
<v Speaker 3>behind me about the Hudson River sidings, the Black triangles.

566
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:26.320
<v Speaker 3>We did see the precursors to that, excuse me, which

567
00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:30.239
<v Speaker 3>we evaluated in our third and fourth study is which

568
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:33.719
<v Speaker 3>I can get to intervent it. But when we shifted

569
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:38.119
<v Speaker 3>our attention from the military to the public domain, because

570
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:41.079
<v Speaker 3>one of the things that became very clear even up

571
00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:45.519
<v Speaker 3>to the time nineteen seventy five, was that a transition

572
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:52.159
<v Speaker 3>was occurring from military sites to public sites. And there's

573
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:56.440
<v Speaker 3>a change in focus from the military to the public.

574
00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:59.239
<v Speaker 3>And I would say from the people that are talking

575
00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:03.880
<v Speaker 3>about that River valley, uh, that that's just an extension

576
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:07.639
<v Speaker 3>of what we saw starting to begin in the in

577
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:12.639
<v Speaker 3>the seventies. And we think it moved geographically interestingly enough,

578
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:20.159
<v Speaker 3>even though the precursors were in the Midwest, but they

579
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:24.559
<v Speaker 3>were in rural areas. They were in uh, not in

580
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:28.679
<v Speaker 3>metropolitan areas, and they followed the same pattern as the

581
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:32.599
<v Speaker 3>Hudson River Valley. They just it looks like that's where

582
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:38.679
<v Speaker 3>they started. And then it shifted from say, like you know,

583
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:43.679
<v Speaker 3>the upper Midwest to the Hudson River, you know, the

584
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:47.840
<v Speaker 3>outside of New York metro area, which is fascinating if

585
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:48.639
<v Speaker 3>you think about it.

586
00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:52.559
<v Speaker 2>But what's weird is on Friday, somebody asked me if

587
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:55.119
<v Speaker 2>I had ever, you know, seen a uap or ufo

588
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:59.079
<v Speaker 2>and uh. And it's funny because I did. In the

589
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:02.280
<v Speaker 2>early nineties. I saw an object that I cannot explain,

590
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:05.639
<v Speaker 2>but I was in Tom's River, New Jersey, which is

591
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:08.639
<v Speaker 2>not far from the area of the cluster of sightings,

592
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:12.079
<v Speaker 2>and I took a polaroid photo of what I saw

593
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:16.440
<v Speaker 2>in the sky, and my polaroid did not turn out good. Uh,

594
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:19.400
<v Speaker 2>but but I did attempt to photograph this thing because

595
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:23.760
<v Speaker 2>it was so weird. And yeah, so that's why they're

596
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:25.599
<v Speaker 2>asking the question, because they're like, you know, hey, you

597
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:28.480
<v Speaker 2>brought that up on Friday. Maybe Larry studied that. I'm like, well,

598
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:29.599
<v Speaker 2>here's the thing.

599
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:34.239
<v Speaker 3>The question, and we are probably we're probably going to

600
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:39.480
<v Speaker 3>be dealing that with. Our problem is applying this methodology

601
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:42.960
<v Speaker 3>and curating enough incidents.

602
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:43.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

603
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:46.559
<v Speaker 3>See, that was the high enough quality to do a pattern. Yeah,

604
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:51.039
<v Speaker 3>it's it's easy to say there's a pattern over several

605
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:55.239
<v Speaker 3>years of sightings in the Hutson But these were things

606
00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:59.960
<v Speaker 3>that were reported to newspapers. They weren't generally not invest

607
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:03.159
<v Speaker 3>de gated by anybody other than a newspaper person or

608
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:07.320
<v Speaker 3>a private researcher. There are two or three good books

609
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:11.199
<v Speaker 3>on the Black Triangles and this subject that we're done

610
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:16.280
<v Speaker 3>by private researchers, but the weird they pretty much be

611
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:20.440
<v Speaker 3>forced to rely strictly on their data, which we may

612
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:23.199
<v Speaker 3>choose to do, but we just haven't gotten there yet.

613
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:26.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but from the nineteen forty five to nineteen seventy

614
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:30.000
<v Speaker 2>five period you're dealing with military stuff. After that, you

615
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:32.719
<v Speaker 2>don't have the same military records that That was the

616
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:34.559
<v Speaker 2>point I was trying to make. And the weird thing

617
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:36.320
<v Speaker 2>I saw wasn't a triangle, by the way. It was

618
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:38.920
<v Speaker 2>like a It was like a dumbbell that kind of

619
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.920
<v Speaker 2>like had a weird like almost as if you took

620
00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:44.400
<v Speaker 2>two cones and put it on the ends of a

621
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:47.679
<v Speaker 2>dumbbell and it spun weird and didn't make noise. It

622
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:52.519
<v Speaker 2>was very strange, and I hate even saying anything about it,

623
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:54.199
<v Speaker 2>but it was one of those weird incidents. That's the

624
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:57.360
<v Speaker 2>only time I actually saw an object like that, and

625
00:39:57.400 --> 00:39:59.840
<v Speaker 2>that that could be attributed to my bad eyesight, because

626
00:39:59.880 --> 00:40:02.000
<v Speaker 2>I plenty of friends has said they saw stuff over

627
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:05.119
<v Speaker 2>that area, and we always attributed it to the fact

628
00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:09.119
<v Speaker 2>that we had those again, those joint military bases right nearby.

629
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<v Speaker 2>If you look at Tom's River and you look at

630
00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:14.760
<v Speaker 2>Lakers Naval Airbase, which is where the Hindenburg went down to,

631
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:19.000
<v Speaker 2>by the way, you know that's what Hindenburg crashed is Lakers,

632
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:22.679
<v Speaker 2>New Jersey. If you look at that area, you kind

633
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.039
<v Speaker 2>of just got used to the idea that strange things

634
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:28.320
<v Speaker 2>were overhead sometimes, which.

635
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.960
<v Speaker 3>Is actually it's one of the most interesting. Early sets

636
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:38.920
<v Speaker 3>of photographs of the UFO came from the weapons testing

637
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:42.079
<v Speaker 3>site there, and what it turns out to be. It

638
00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:46.239
<v Speaker 3>was very It looked like a smoke ring, like you

639
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:51.039
<v Speaker 3>had made a colossal smoke ring, but it adds structure

640
00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:54.599
<v Speaker 3>to it, I mean, very tightly structured, not just smoke

641
00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:59.199
<v Speaker 3>and fascinating. It turns out it is an artifact of

642
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:03.559
<v Speaker 3>a weapon task. But I mean if back in the

643
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:07.039
<v Speaker 3>early nineteen sixties I ran across it in magazines and

644
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:09.119
<v Speaker 3>I'm going, Wow, that must be UFO.

645
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:09.840
<v Speaker 2>That's cool.

646
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:15.719
<v Speaker 3>Obviously it was a UFO, but it wasn't a UAP anyway.

647
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:18.239
<v Speaker 2>Right, And that's the strange thing that probably came from

648
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Fort Dix because, like I said, that's where they tested

649
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.360
<v Speaker 2>that artillery and stuff and they give us all the time.

650
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:27.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly. But again that's part of that joint three.

651
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:31.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, military bases that are generally thought of as

652
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:33.280
<v Speaker 2>like we don't even know why the hell these things

653
00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:36.239
<v Speaker 2>are here because they're not usually part of like you know,

654
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:39.079
<v Speaker 2>military deployments. We don't keep any special weapons here they

655
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:42.599
<v Speaker 2>might knows, you know, they they use in fact, the

656
00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:46.159
<v Speaker 2>same range where they train army guys. They let like

657
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:49.199
<v Speaker 2>prison guards come in and do their you know, they

658
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:52.159
<v Speaker 2>have requirements for being able to use their firearms, so

659
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:57.159
<v Speaker 2>they send them in there to use their tactical you know,

660
00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:00.440
<v Speaker 2>training ground and things like that. But they also blow

661
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:03.639
<v Speaker 2>off these huge pieces of artillery. Like I said, the

662
00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:08.159
<v Speaker 2>whole county shakes like literally you could feel it Ocean County,

663
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:13.360
<v Speaker 2>even though it's like over in oh Burlington County, it's

664
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:16.280
<v Speaker 2>literally like a whole county away in New Jersey, and

665
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:19.239
<v Speaker 2>the ground rattles under your feet when they start doing

666
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:22.079
<v Speaker 2>this stuff and they're testing these things. So just saying

667
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:23.840
<v Speaker 2>it's just one of those things that you know, you

668
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:26.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of got used to living in certain parts of

669
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:29.079
<v Speaker 2>Jersey anyway. I just wanted to point that out that

670
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:32.840
<v Speaker 2>there may be various clusters like this that you'd be

671
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:35.360
<v Speaker 2>able to study afterwards, but it's not part of the

672
00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:38.239
<v Speaker 2>initial study that we're talking about now, because you only

673
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:41.119
<v Speaker 2>went up to nineteen seventy five A and B. You

674
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:46.559
<v Speaker 2>were dealing with the military's accounts, their records, their you know,

675
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:49.440
<v Speaker 2>experiences as preserved right.

676
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:53.079
<v Speaker 3>Military and law enforcement, and one of the things that

677
00:42:53.159 --> 00:43:01.119
<v Speaker 3>you see is there again by the mid sixties, there

678
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:05.119
<v Speaker 3>begins to be a shift from the military domain to

679
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:09.719
<v Speaker 3>the public domain, and a lot of the well investigated

680
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:14.000
<v Speaker 3>official reports are then coming out of law enforcement. Even

681
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:18.239
<v Speaker 3>if they're military personnel at home or you know, just track,

682
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:21.519
<v Speaker 3>their reports are not made to the military, they're made

683
00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:27.280
<v Speaker 3>to law enforcement and they're investigated. And so one of

684
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:31.039
<v Speaker 3>the things that we see beginning in I would say

685
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:34.159
<v Speaker 3>sixty four to sixty five time frame, well, the Blue

686
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:37.320
<v Speaker 3>Book is still underway. In there, we see a shift

687
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:42.079
<v Speaker 3>and it begins to be the public that are reporting UAPs,

688
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:49.039
<v Speaker 3>but in a totally different context. Back in the early

689
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:53.440
<v Speaker 3>fifties late forties, you're looking at UAP behavior that is

690
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:58.519
<v Speaker 3>very demonstrative. You have lots of daylight reports, you have

691
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:04.679
<v Speaker 3>formations reported multiple objects flying and maneuvering together very you know,

692
00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:09.199
<v Speaker 3>this is it's happening at daylight, it's happening over test ranges,

693
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:15.000
<v Speaker 3>it's happening over military facilities. It's just very visible. And

694
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:19.639
<v Speaker 3>then that starts to change. By nineteen sixty five, the

695
00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:26.039
<v Speaker 3>reports start to be after dark, at night, in the am,

696
00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:31.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, midnight, two, three am, and we're talking about

697
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:36.320
<v Speaker 3>security guards and you know, police patrols and that sort

698
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:40.400
<v Speaker 3>of thing, and these are in public areas, no longer

699
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:45.159
<v Speaker 3>in military. So in our third study, we looked at

700
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:51.119
<v Speaker 3>a serious scenarios basically and evaluated you know, patterns in

701
00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:55.559
<v Speaker 3>the public domain. And the fascinating thing is these sorts

702
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:59.960
<v Speaker 3>of reports didn't happen earlier, and then suddenly they started having.

703
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:04.840
<v Speaker 3>The pattern is very definitive. It's as if the focus

704
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:09.800
<v Speaker 3>of the UAPs has changed. They're not they they gave

705
00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:13.360
<v Speaker 3>up on the atomic weapons development sites after three or

706
00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:18.000
<v Speaker 3>four years. They care continued on with the deployment sites

707
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:21.079
<v Speaker 3>for longer, but then the attention team seems to turn

708
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:27.239
<v Speaker 3>to public encounters and public reports with you know, not

709
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:33.679
<v Speaker 3>over daylight over Albuquerque, New Mexico or Denver, but we're

710
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:38.440
<v Speaker 3>talking about, you know, eleven o'clock at night on a

711
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:41.360
<v Speaker 3>back road in Indiana.

712
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:44.320
<v Speaker 2>Right now, With that in mind, I want to throw

713
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:45.960
<v Speaker 2>one thing at you, and then I want to get

714
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:48.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, what are we looking forward to coming up

715
00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:52.000
<v Speaker 2>from the UAP study and the recent release of this paper.

716
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:54.639
<v Speaker 2>You know, is there anything else happening with you know,

717
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:56.719
<v Speaker 2>hearings or anything. I want to hear about that. But

718
00:45:56.760 --> 00:45:59.480
<v Speaker 2>before we go there, one thing I want to throw

719
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:02.000
<v Speaker 2>into the mix here, And it's almost like I'm throwing

720
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:04.719
<v Speaker 2>a monkey wrench in Larry, because you're looking for a

721
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:06.639
<v Speaker 2>change in a pattern here. Why is this going to

722
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:11.679
<v Speaker 2>the public sightings? I wonder if this might be a

723
00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:17.079
<v Speaker 2>symptom or a result of, I should say, the change

724
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:20.360
<v Speaker 2>in culture at about that time, because look, we went

725
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:23.920
<v Speaker 2>from a time period where in America, except in certain

726
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:26.440
<v Speaker 2>major cities, you know, New York was the city that

727
00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:30.079
<v Speaker 2>doesn't sleep well. Now almost no city sleeps, you know.

728
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:33.920
<v Speaker 2>There became this phenomena of the graveyard shift, so to speak,

729
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:36.960
<v Speaker 2>where there were more police deployed at night, there were

730
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:41.920
<v Speaker 2>more businesses open, there were just more people awake, employed

731
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:46.400
<v Speaker 2>just around and moving around at later times at night.

732
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:49.760
<v Speaker 2>In a cultural sense in certain areas of the country.

733
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:54.360
<v Speaker 2>That wasn't happening in the early seventies, that wasn't happening

734
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:57.119
<v Speaker 2>in the sixties, but started to happen in the later

735
00:46:57.159 --> 00:46:59.960
<v Speaker 2>seventies in the eighties, and I'm wondering if this might

736
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:03.400
<v Speaker 2>not be at least partially due to a change in

737
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:07.639
<v Speaker 2>the observers that were available, because all of a sudden

738
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:11.159
<v Speaker 2>like I said, the graveyard shift becomes a phenomena. You know,

739
00:47:11.239 --> 00:47:14.360
<v Speaker 2>they start having people work in even retail stores at

740
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:18.679
<v Speaker 2>night in order to you know, to replace the merchandise

741
00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:22.679
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. Whereas there was no third shift before. You know,

742
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:24.599
<v Speaker 2>you might have had floor cleaners that came in, a

743
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:26.559
<v Speaker 2>couple of guys that came into a big store or

744
00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:30.000
<v Speaker 2>whatever before that. But there was a shift in culture

745
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:33.639
<v Speaker 2>in the workforce and even in the deployment of people

746
00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:37.320
<v Speaker 2>that were available, awake and everything else at a certain

747
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.199
<v Speaker 2>time of day where they weren't previously. Is that a

748
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:44.639
<v Speaker 2>possibility as far as they shift in the time of

749
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:49.960
<v Speaker 2>day and even the availability of observers, is it possibly

750
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.639
<v Speaker 2>partially due to that? And then the follow up is

751
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:55.760
<v Speaker 2>what do we have looking forward that's coming up from

752
00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:59.239
<v Speaker 2>the study? Is there any more reaction from the government agency,

753
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:02.239
<v Speaker 2>so on and so forth? And then we'll kind of

754
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:02.840
<v Speaker 2>close it out.

755
00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:05.800
<v Speaker 3>What do you think, Well, the first response to your

756
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:09.880
<v Speaker 3>first question is, again, we start seeing this occurring in

757
00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:15.159
<v Speaker 3>sixty four, sixty five, okay, okay, and knowing the reports

758
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:19.320
<v Speaker 3>that we're looking at, you know, these are the same people.

759
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:21.840
<v Speaker 3>I think, these are the same people that would have

760
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:27.119
<v Speaker 3>been They're people that are traveling at night. They're not

761
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:30.719
<v Speaker 3>talking about workers generally, you're talking about people that have

762
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:36.000
<v Speaker 3>been out visiting someone. You're talking about police officers who

763
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:40.599
<v Speaker 3>are doing security patrols. But they've always done nighttime security patrols.

764
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:45.760
<v Speaker 3>So you almost have to dig down into I mean,

765
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:49.559
<v Speaker 3>that's a that's a very interesting question. So that's why

766
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:52.559
<v Speaker 3>you have to dig down to the reports themselves. But

767
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:56.920
<v Speaker 3>in all honesty, I would say, you know, the teenagers

768
00:48:56.960 --> 00:48:59.400
<v Speaker 3>that are scared to death because they were out parking

769
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:03.800
<v Speaker 3>at eleven o'clock at night and you know, incountered the

770
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:07.719
<v Speaker 3>UFO and ran home and panic to their parents who

771
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:10.400
<v Speaker 3>called the police. Were doing that in the fifty eighth

772
00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:14.519
<v Speaker 3>as they were in sixty four. Okay, I know these people,

773
00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:15.719
<v Speaker 3>no ex skidding.

774
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:18.079
<v Speaker 1>You know.

775
00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:21.159
<v Speaker 2>But it's a question because that kind of thing could

776
00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:25.079
<v Speaker 2>skew data, oh absolutely, you know. And so I I

777
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:27.679
<v Speaker 2>just wondered it aloud. I had no basis for asking

778
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:29.960
<v Speaker 2>it except that it was just one of those things

779
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:32.480
<v Speaker 2>where it could it be a change in conditions that

780
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:36.639
<v Speaker 2>changed the nature of the observer, you know, And that's

781
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:39.800
<v Speaker 2>a fair question if you're open to let's see where

782
00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:43.000
<v Speaker 2>the patterns emerge. Right, because that could be something that

783
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:45.280
<v Speaker 2>would cause the patterns to emerge if all of a sudden,

784
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:48.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, like say, well, gee, we didn't have sightings

785
00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:50.719
<v Speaker 2>in this city before. Well it wasn't a city before,

786
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:52.719
<v Speaker 2>it was a small town. It grew into a city,

787
00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:56.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, so you had you know, five times ten

788
00:49:56.400 --> 00:50:01.000
<v Speaker 2>times the observers available even to notice this. Stuff like

789
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:04.639
<v Speaker 2>that could occur in you know, isolated spots, right. I mean,

790
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:05.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm just.

791
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:09.440
<v Speaker 3>Saying absolutely, and may have occurred later. But all I

792
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:13.679
<v Speaker 3>can say is that again, almost all the observations that

793
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:16.960
<v Speaker 3>we're looking at in the public domain, that that we're

794
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:20.920
<v Speaker 3>talking about in this third study are really our rural

795
00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:26.559
<v Speaker 3>rural there, you know, their highways, their houses out in

796
00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:30.519
<v Speaker 3>the country. Strangely enough, it's just it's not what you'd

797
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:36.639
<v Speaker 3>expect because obviously population concentrations should give you more if

798
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:40.760
<v Speaker 3>it's a random event or you know, you know that

799
00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:44.800
<v Speaker 3>that's not what we're seeing. So but for the fourth study,

800
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:48.000
<v Speaker 3>which I gave you the link for, yes, what we

801
00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:51.119
<v Speaker 3>went on is we looked at a set of scenarios

802
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:56.360
<v Speaker 3>that said, well, okay, given everything we've seen about the military,

803
00:50:56.599 --> 00:51:00.000
<v Speaker 3>about the public let's look at a set of scenarios.

804
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:06.360
<v Speaker 3>Is that represent UAP behavior over time? And do we

805
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:09.920
<v Speaker 3>really see any change in behavior over time? And again

806
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:13.239
<v Speaker 3>what does that tell us? And the conclusions are in

807
00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:17.159
<v Speaker 3>the study which is just published, and the conclusions overall

808
00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:24.679
<v Speaker 3>are yes, UAPs are intelligent actors. They display focus. They

809
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:29.280
<v Speaker 3>just say, display patterns of activity with focus. They display

810
00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:35.480
<v Speaker 3>patterns of activities that transition over time. They're not randomized.

811
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:41.840
<v Speaker 3>They transition in focus and in location. The mere fact

812
00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:47.320
<v Speaker 3>that that and they transition from populations. So we do

813
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:52.800
<v Speaker 3>present a case that in our assessment, what we're looking

814
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:56.920
<v Speaker 3>at is intelligent activity. It is clearly based on the

815
00:51:56.960 --> 00:52:01.480
<v Speaker 3>reports that we look at unconventional and the omalis it's

816
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:05.920
<v Speaker 3>not a native actor, it's an alien actor of some sort.

817
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:12.440
<v Speaker 3>There is not unconventional technology representing these. We did find

818
00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:15.559
<v Speaker 3>a short period of time in which they may have

819
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:21.480
<v Speaker 3>tried electronic communications and we've failed to respond. And our

820
00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:26.360
<v Speaker 3>assessment is what's really happened over time is they've conducted

821
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:31.760
<v Speaker 3>a survey of our atomic weapons capability, a strategic weapons capability,

822
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:35.519
<v Speaker 3>and that they have shifted their focus. It's not that

823
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:39.679
<v Speaker 3>they're not maintaining some studies of that, but they have

824
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:44.280
<v Speaker 3>shifted their focus to behavioral studies because it appears they

825
00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:50.639
<v Speaker 3>really don't understand what's going on. And so that's that's

826
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:54.559
<v Speaker 3>pretty interesting part of the fourth paper. There, those are

827
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:59.639
<v Speaker 3>pretty assertive assessments. I would say, uh, we think that

828
00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:03.880
<v Speaker 3>we've act them up in the paper, but there there

829
00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:06.440
<v Speaker 3>are there are a lot of people looking at it.

830
00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:09.360
<v Speaker 3>We know there are people in the national intelligence community

831
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:11.519
<v Speaker 3>that are looking at it. Certainly they're not going to

832
00:53:11.559 --> 00:53:16.119
<v Speaker 3>talk about it. Looking at where the page downloads for

833
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<v Speaker 3>the study of gone and how many of there have been,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we know it's going to get discussed. We

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<v Speaker 3>have no idea what they're going to think about it

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<v Speaker 3>because as far as we know, the national intelligence community

837
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<v Speaker 3>has never conducted this type of pattern analysis and this

838
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<v Speaker 3>type of strategic indications study. So if it in a

839
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<v Speaker 3>better place and time, I think it really might get

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<v Speaker 3>routed to a strategic part of the community. Unfortunately, at

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<v Speaker 3>this part, it would be difficult to identify a strategic

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<v Speaker 3>part of the American intelligence community. You know, everybody is

843
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<v Speaker 3>busy trying to see it there. Whether they're going to

844
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<v Speaker 3>be at their desk next week, I'm not sure this

845
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<v Speaker 3>would capture their attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So it's unknown as to whether there's going to

847
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<v Speaker 2>be an official engagement on this or not.

848
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<v Speaker 3>Unlike if there is, we won't I guarantee if there is,

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<v Speaker 3>we will not know it.

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<v Speaker 2>There you are, but it's very interesting and I advise

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<v Speaker 2>you guys to go look look at the article and

852
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<v Speaker 2>actually go get the paper, download it yourselves and take

853
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:31.119
<v Speaker 2>a look at the information for yourself. As usual. It's

854
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<v Speaker 2>the best thing. And let's see UAP indicates Indications Analysis

855
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<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty five to nineteen seventy five Military and Public Activities.

856
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<v Speaker 2>That's one of the titles there. But you can get

857
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<v Speaker 2>it from the article, which again I have posted from

858
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<v Speaker 2>the Let's see it's the explore Explore SCU dot org.

859
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<v Speaker 2>That's the website if you want to go take a look.

860
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<v Speaker 2>And they also do conferences all that stuff. Is there

861
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<v Speaker 2>any conference this is coming up?

862
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<v Speaker 1>Larry?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Actually we start a conference on this Friday, three

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<v Speaker 3>day conference in person and virtually you would find out

865
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<v Speaker 3>on the website as well. You can attend it virtually

866
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<v Speaker 3>pretty inexpensively, lots of different kinds of topics. One of

867
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<v Speaker 3>our team members will be reviewing these four studies. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we a s SeeU does a fair amount of research

869
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<v Speaker 3>and projects that we're engaged in and and actually one

870
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<v Speaker 3>of the major reasons for our existence is trying to

871
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<v Speaker 3>bring people together to talk about how you might tackle

872
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:49.880
<v Speaker 3>this subject from a scientific methodological, you know, structured standpoint,

873
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:54.280
<v Speaker 3>which is which is obviously quite difficult with any phenomena

874
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:59.719
<v Speaker 3>that is not you know, repetitive under control conditions. Science

875
00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:03.280
<v Speaker 3>less to be able to do experiments. UAPs are not

876
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:09.320
<v Speaker 3>a good place to be able to do control experimentation.

877
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<v Speaker 3>They show up when they want to show.

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<v Speaker 2>Up, right. All you can do is gather the data

879
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:17.000
<v Speaker 2>and see what it tells you, which is effectively what

880
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:19.440
<v Speaker 2>you guys are doing. So again, I would advise you

881
00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:22.599
<v Speaker 2>guys to follow all this at larrydsh Hancock dot com.

882
00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:25.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you'll be blogging about this in the next

883
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<v Speaker 2>few days since there is a conference that's coming Friday,

884
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<v Speaker 2>so you'll probably be talking about what's going on, even

885
00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:34.679
<v Speaker 2>if it's just to let people know about the conference. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, yeah, I will be talking about what's going on.

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<v Speaker 3>And I do I have to say disclaimer. These are

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<v Speaker 3>academic studies, so they read like an academic study. They

889
00:56:48.440 --> 00:56:51.159
<v Speaker 3>have to they have to be peer reviewed. They have

890
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:54.920
<v Speaker 3>to internal review, they have to have academic type citations,

891
00:56:55.239 --> 00:57:01.039
<v Speaker 3>so quite frankly from a perspective that they are relatively dull,

892
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:03.480
<v Speaker 3>but that's because they have to be, because they have

893
00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:07.119
<v Speaker 3>to be so structured. But fortunately one of our team

894
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:10.840
<v Speaker 3>members is by profession the data analyst and is an

895
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<v Speaker 3>excellent guy for making illustrations and doing charts and graphs,

896
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:19.280
<v Speaker 3>and so I can say that it is heavily illustrated,

897
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:23.159
<v Speaker 3>and the illustrations not allow you to survive the text.

898
00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:26.079
<v Speaker 3>There you go, and someday we might actually write a

899
00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:28.800
<v Speaker 3>book that is more readable, but what we're doing now

900
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:30.360
<v Speaker 3>are academic papers, right.

901
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:33.159
<v Speaker 2>Unidentified is a very readable book. By the way, if

902
00:57:33.199 --> 00:57:34.960
<v Speaker 2>you're looking for an entry into this and you get

903
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:37.079
<v Speaker 2>a little bit lost because of the dry reading of

904
00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:40.400
<v Speaker 2>the academic style, I would suggest you go take a

905
00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:43.840
<v Speaker 2>look at Unidentified, which is academic in nature, but is

906
00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:48.239
<v Speaker 2>an easier read because Larry wrote it very simple. Okay,

907
00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:52.199
<v Speaker 2>but it's an easier read than your typical, very very

908
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:56.519
<v Speaker 2>dry sort of academic stuff. Although highly informative, sometimes is

909
00:57:56.559 --> 00:57:58.239
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a slog to get through, just saying,

910
00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:02.320
<v Speaker 2>but there you have it. So Larry, thanks for doing

911
00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:05.159
<v Speaker 2>this with me. I appreciate the update. Uh, we'll probably

912
00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:07.400
<v Speaker 2>talk to you again in a couple of weeks, and

913
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<v Speaker 2>who knows, hopefully we don't have any more JFK hearings

914
00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:13.400
<v Speaker 2>of oddness to go over. Uh, maybe we can discuss

915
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:16.519
<v Speaker 2>other things happening in the world. And who knows which

916
00:58:16.519 --> 00:58:19.800
<v Speaker 2>one of your books will have to reference then, because

917
00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:21.840
<v Speaker 2>it seems to me like, you know, you write a

918
00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:23.519
<v Speaker 2>book and then a couple of years later, we have

919
00:58:23.559 --> 00:58:25.719
<v Speaker 2>to pull it off the shelf and go, well, this

920
00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:28.800
<v Speaker 2>is relevant. But you were ahead of the curve. Larry

921
00:58:29.800 --> 00:58:32.440
<v Speaker 2>keeps happening, doesn't it, Creating Chaos.

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00:58:33.800 --> 00:58:36.800
<v Speaker 3>A couple of books like Creative Chaos. I really truly

923
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:40.159
<v Speaker 3>wish I had been wrong. I would I would love

924
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:41.360
<v Speaker 3>it if I had been wrong.

925
00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:43.679
<v Speaker 2>But you, yeah, but you weren't, and you were ahead

926
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<v Speaker 2>of the curve, as you know, as you always are.

927
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<v Speaker 2>It's like Larry puts it out. Wait a couple of years,

928
00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:50.559
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna hear other people talking about it and maybe

929
00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:53.800
<v Speaker 2>even using the same phrases, which I found really funny.

930
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:57.639
<v Speaker 2>With Creating Chaos, it was like they're they're they're stealing

931
00:58:57.639 --> 00:58:59.840
<v Speaker 2>from Larry. They don't know it. It looks like, but.

932
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<v Speaker 3>If I could only copyright phrases, but oh well.

933
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<v Speaker 2>Exactly anyway, Larry, thanks a lot, And for those of

934
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<v Speaker 2>you listening on the Live network, guess what, I'm gonna

935
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<v Speaker 2>come back and do another podcast. Basically, so you got

936
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<v Speaker 2>Larry Hancock here on Wednesday, and you're gonna get something

937
00:59:19.039 --> 00:59:22.039
<v Speaker 2>else after this. But thanks Larry for doing this. I

938
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<v Speaker 2>really appreciate it, and like I said, good luck with everything,

939
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<v Speaker 2>and we'll talk to you in a couple weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks a ice. Enjoy it, Chap.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I'm merely O'Kelly. All of you are indeed the effect,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll be back after a break here on oateelly

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973
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