WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.560 I know, I said, as a Protestant, and I'm looking 2 00:00:01.560 --> 00:00:04.440 into the Orthodox Faith because I finally looked into early 3 00:00:04.559 --> 00:00:08.640 Church history and solve my beliefs like fold before my eyes. 4 00:00:08.720 --> 00:00:10.080 So how many chack right now? 5 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:13.640 But I kind of want to ask real quick, if 6 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:16.719 you can start all over in your journey and learn 7 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:19.640 Orthodox faith, what would you do from the very beginning. 8 00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:22.160 You don't have to go on like a long like 9 00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:24.320 like right away read the Early Church father. 10 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:27.000 Or just take my time and not rush into it. 11 00:00:27.640 --> 00:00:31.480 Start by reading Athanacius, start by reading the Church Fathers gradually, 12 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:39.000 just take your time. Lull lull topic. The reason that 13 00:00:39.039 --> 00:00:45.200 the Orthodox Church does not strictly identify Catholicity with universality. 14 00:00:45.280 --> 00:00:49.920 I'm well aware that that's what the word means is 15 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:52.600 because of the fact that you can have the fullness 16 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:55.359 of the faith, as Ignacious talks about in his epistles 17 00:00:55.399 --> 00:00:58.719 at the local church. That's why. And because it's not 18 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:01.479 an issue of numbers. And it's very important to stress 19 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:03.759 that because many times in the history of the Church, 20 00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:08.200 the true believers were reduced in numbers. Okay, any Orthodox 21 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:12.719 theology book that you read will discuss this. In contrast 22 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:17.719 to the Roman Catholic notion that it's essentially identified with universality. 23 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:20.480 And the reason we'd say that is because Roman Catholics 24 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:22.599 always say you need the four marks of the Church, 25 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:26.599 and because Orthodox don't have Catholicity in terms of numbers, 26 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:30.799 they're not the true church. It's a stupid argument. That's 27 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:34.239 why I said that. I knew since I was eighteen 28 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:37.799 that the word Catholic means universal. Come on, go ahead, man, 29 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:48.599 what's up? No, yep. 30 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:52.480 I had a bunch of good questions for you. But 31 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:57.280 now after those okay, retarded people coming in talking about 32 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:01.400 kinditive dissonance towards you, is I lost my train of thought. 33 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:04.079 Well, hold on a second, think about it for a second. 34 00:02:04.159 --> 00:02:08.719 Victoria loves Haesus ten bucks. Most Protestants are taught that 35 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:11.639 Catholicism is fake, and all the churches I grew up 36 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:15.520 in nobody really knew anything about Orthodoxy. So I'm excited 37 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:18.800 to learn more. Well, welcome, take your time and hear 38 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:22.199 the things out. Don't get triggered. Cole Marshall five dollars. 39 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:27.479 What is the right of interpretation? The Protestants proposed a 40 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:33.759 doctrine of individual freedom of conscience and write a private interpretation, 41 00:02:33.960 --> 00:02:38.520 that no one could bind you to their interpretation of scriptures. 42 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:42.840 You see. So they were chiefly arguing against the Roman 43 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:47.159 Catholic papal system, which was always arguing against them that 44 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:51.159 you need the papacy, you don't have authority. The Protestants said, 45 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:54.639 I have my own conscience, don't care about your your 46 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:58.759 pope binding me to your interpretations. So the Protestants came 47 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:02.759 up with the right of private interpretation. This is one 48 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:09.120 of their hallmark Classic Reformation doctrines. Boomer Slayer, fifty bucks. 49 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:12.520 I went to church for the first time ever last Sunday. 50 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:15.240 Whoa dude, hope what it was? An Orthodox church? I 51 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:18.520 planned to keep going. Thank you awesome name, and I'm 52 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:22.759 glad that you made it. Steve Grady twenty bucks. I'm 53 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:26.639 researching Orthodoxy, but I wondered if Orthodoxy has old new 54 00:03:26.639 --> 00:03:30.000 calendar issue. I mean that's a very minor I mean, 55 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:33.319 just find a good ro Corps Serbian Antiochian church. Don't 56 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:38.439 worry about that kind of stuff. Yet, Is it an 57 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:41.599 example of Orthodox clergy making up innovations? Well, I think 58 00:03:41.639 --> 00:03:46.120 that the calendar issue was in a way of innovation, 59 00:03:48.039 --> 00:03:51.439 but I don't know that I wouldn't like in that 60 00:03:51.719 --> 00:03:56.319 to Protestantism is way more extreme than something like that. 61 00:03:56.479 --> 00:04:03.000 David James Flood two memberships. The Gentleman that asked about 62 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:07.280 tag questions should read Father deacon Ni's papers, Yes, definitely, 63 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:09.919 but those come up in the old videos. By the way, 64 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:13.039 go ahead, RCI. 65 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:16.279 Yeah, thanks, I'm gonna try to fly through some of 66 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:19.720 this one being not on topic of any debate stuff. 67 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:23.519 But are you only open for debates or do you 68 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:25.160 also do like interviews and stuff too? 69 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:28.839 What do you mean interviews? 70 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:31.279 Like if you came in a podcast and we're talking 71 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:33.439 about the Eastern Orthodoxy and stuff like that. 72 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:37.160 I mean I have done that on many It depends 73 00:04:37.160 --> 00:04:39.839 on the podcasts. So what are you who's talking? 74 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:43.560 I don't know. There's a couple of Catholic ones out 75 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:45.240 there that would love to have you on and get 76 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:45.560 you on. 77 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:48.240 Catholic ones want it. Why would a Catholic want me 78 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:49.519 on their podcast? Dude? 79 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:51.480 I think you have a lot of good stuff to say. 80 00:04:52.360 --> 00:04:54.839 I disagree with it, obviously, but I think there's a 81 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:58.920 lot of questions out there, Like I've watched, I have a. 82 00:04:58.839 --> 00:05:01.160 Lot of good stuff to say. I disagree with it. 83 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:04.600 How is it good. If you disagree with that the first, then. 84 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:08.199 You can't have good arguments and disagree with it. Everything 85 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:08.759 has to be shit. 86 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:12.319 Like what podcasts. 87 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:15.920 I don't have a specific one in mind right now, 88 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:17.199 but I was just curious if you were ever to 89 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:17.800 be open to it. 90 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:22.639 I mean, I've gone on some Catholic podcasts, yeah, and 91 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:25.000 mainly for the purpose of, like again, like I've watched 92 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:29.399 dude one hundred plus hours probably her stuff, and it 93 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:32.240 is it'd be nice to have a lot of the 94 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:33.120 Eastern Orthodox. 95 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:35.959 It would be Catholic, the Protestant stuff really like concise 96 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:38.639 concise in one place. 97 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:41.720 Yeah. I mean maybe you're I don't know if you're 98 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:43.360 new to a lot of this stuff, but I mean 99 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:47.519 there's a long kind of backstory of just nasty interactions 100 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:50.720 with a lot of these podcasts, So they don't I 101 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:52.839 don't think they want me on their podcasts. 102 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:55.600 I'm sure. Yeah. I always a lot of that. So 103 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:59.160 I then more on topic just for questions and stuff 104 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:06.879 the Orthodox Church, because I'm doing my best to read 105 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:08.519 up as much as they can and listen to your 106 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:12.480 arguments and stuff. You guys reject centralized leadership, right, it's 107 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:15.839 always a council. Is it just heading patcher? 108 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:20.079 Yes, I mean that's the highest authority. 109 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:22.399 See, there's no eucmenical patriarch or anything like that. 110 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:25.560 Well, there is an ecumenical patriarch, but he's not above 111 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:26.120 a council. 112 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:28.120 What is his position for. 113 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:32.800 Identically the same as the patriarchates in the first thousand 114 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:39.000 years had as a canonical it's a canonical honor that 115 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:42.600 they have within their jurisdictions, within their synods. It doesn't 116 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:45.000 mean that they tell the rest of the church what 117 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:45.360 to do. 118 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:48.120 Yeah, fair, So there's multiple, there's not just one. 119 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:53.240 Well, historically there are five patriarchates. Rome broke away from 120 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:56.199 the rest of the patriarchates. So what does that say. 121 00:06:57.480 --> 00:06:59.800 I'm just asking right now currently, is there one? Is 122 00:06:59.839 --> 00:07:00.439 there multiple? 123 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:01.160 There's multiple? 124 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:02.680 Okay? 125 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:05.959 Deep for which jurisdictions? 126 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:12.040 Well, a patriarch again, is just a honorary place and 127 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:16.879 title for people who have a position as the bishop 128 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:20.199 of a very ancient metropolitan See. So you have the 129 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:22.959 patriarch at of Moscow, you have the patriarch of Jerusalem, 130 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:29.519 you have the patriarch Constantinople, Patriarch of Alexandria, Patriarch of Antioch. Right, 131 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:32.199 so these are the main ancient patriarchal see. Of course 132 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:36.439 Russia is not antriarchy, but in the Orthodox view, there 133 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:40.959 can be through conciliar gift, you could say, or honor 134 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:46.879 autocephalist churches. So the Council of Ephesus created the Autocephalis 135 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:52.920 Church of Cyprus. Did you know that? 136 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:57.399 By the way, I not oside my head. I'm sure 137 00:07:58.000 --> 00:07:58.759 read it somewhere. 138 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:02.639 Well, so I'm asking that is like many Roman Catholics the. 139 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:04.000 Question I'm sorry I miss the question. 140 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:06.759 There was a statement many Roman Catholic The reason I'm 141 00:08:06.839 --> 00:08:09.439 asking you that is that many Roman Catholics are not 142 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:13.439 aware of autocephalist churches, and so when they hear that, 143 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:16.000 they think it's something that we as Orthodox have made up. 144 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:18.600 And what I'm saying is that if you look at 145 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:21.680 the Council of Ephesus, they create out of the council 146 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:26.160 the first autocephalist church. So it's a thing that your 147 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:28.839 church did as well. 148 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:36.279 Right, Okay, yeah, I can understand that. So there's multiple patriarchs. 149 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:39.840 There's not one you can medical patriarch. They're all acting 150 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:40.759 in that role. Correct. 151 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:45.240 Well, there's one person who has the title ecumenical patriarch 152 00:08:45.519 --> 00:08:48.519 and that's Constantinople. And the reason that he has that 153 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:52.919 role is because in the ancient Canons Constantinople Council one 154 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:57.159 in three eighty one they said, let Constantinople or Old 155 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:00.320 or New Rome have the place after Old Rome in 156 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:04.000 the canonical list. So the Canons of the councils gave 157 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:06.879 to Constantinople the number two roll. 158 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:11.039 Yeah, canon three? Is that imperial or is that episodic? 159 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:14.399 Is what an imperial or epistolic? 160 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:17.039 I'm giving that phmacy can't say. 161 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:22.399 Well, if a council does it, by definition, it's a 162 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:26.720 ecumenical action if it's an ecumenical council. But Rome didn't 163 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:28.679 accept that until many centuries later. 164 00:09:29.799 --> 00:09:32.720 Are you asking me if I'm asking the historical reasoning 165 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:36.679 for constant privacy being brought up in canond three? Uh? 166 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:39.679 To my knowledge, there's nothing apostolic about it. It is 167 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:42.600 accorded to that church from the council. 168 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:46.200 Does that not like raise eyebrows for you at all? 169 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:46.399 Or not? 170 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:46.639 Oh? 171 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:48.240 My gosh, here we go. Are you the guy that 172 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:50.759 always calls in and doesn't know anything about this topic 173 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:53.480 and has the same stupid debate every time we do this. 174 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:54.840 This is my second time calling it. 175 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:58.000 Okay, yeah, I thought that's why I thought, does what 176 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:00.159 not reason? Do you not understand what I do has 177 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:03.039 told you about the autoct Okay, why you interrupting me? No, 178 00:10:03.159 --> 00:10:06.279 you don't understand why you're interrupting. Don't interrupt me. If 179 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:09.440 you listen to what I said about autocephalist churches, if 180 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:13.200 an ecumenical council can grant to the Church of Cyprus 181 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:18.039 an autocephalist independent status, that it doesn't matter if the 182 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:21.480 church is quote Apostolic, they have the fullness of the 183 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:26.399 Apostolic faith because they've been given that from an Apostolic council. 184 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:32.879 Ecumenical councils are Apostolic councils because they're apostles successors doing it. 185 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:37.440 So there's nothing about the ecumenical patriarch it that makes it. 186 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:43.080 You're referring to the claim that's later on where Constantinople says, 187 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:49.600 maybe we have Apostolic pedigree like Rome. They don't, so, 188 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:52.360 but that has nothing to do with whether a council 189 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:57.080 can grant to these bishoprics that authority. And do you 190 00:10:57.159 --> 00:11:04.519 not understand that Rome Constantinople as second centuries later? 191 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:09.799 Yeah, I don't. I don't want to dismiss what you 192 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:13.399 said at all. It doesn't necessarily answer my question or 193 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:18.200 my point, but to kind of give more context, do 194 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:24.639 that the I don't cephalos excuse me, was and I'm 195 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:26.639 going to time my head so I literally might be 196 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:30.559 mistaken here, and you can tell me. Wasn't Ukraine given 197 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:33.240 that in Russia not? Or was it vice versa or something? 198 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:38.559 Ukraine is not an autocephalist church. Ukraine was under the 199 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:42.120 Russian Church because Ukraine is an ancient Russian area. 200 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:48.159 Okay, yeah, So again I don't want to dismiss your point, 201 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:52.840 and I just think it subverts what I'm actually what 202 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:53.559 I'm actually saying. 203 00:11:53.559 --> 00:11:55.399 I don't understand your point, man, I'm not. I'm trying 204 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:57.279 to be patient with you because I don't want to 205 00:11:57.399 --> 00:12:00.360 argue in fair Okay, So explain to me you're trying 206 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:01.799 to say, because I have no idea what you're saying. 207 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:04.960 Okay, I guess I'm looking for clarification on what. So 208 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:10.159 like Rome as clear apostolic, IM sorry for being you 209 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:12.639 know throughout history we all I think we both agree. 210 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:16.639 That again you're you're misunderstanding right away. So Rome being 211 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:21.639 apostolic is does has nothing to do with whether or 212 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:26.679 not other churches are also Apostolic. Antioch Antioch is apostolic, 213 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:33.240 Jerusalem is apostolic, said, Alexandria is Apostolic. Yep, okay, that's 214 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:38.279 let me finish in our view that in the in 215 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:40.600 the history of the churches and the Council and the Fathers, 216 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:45.600 those churches are honored because of their lineage and because 217 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:50.120 of their ancient history. It does not detract from any 218 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:56.279 other church later established, like say the Moscow patriarch It. 219 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:59.600 It doesn't mean they're less Apostolic because they're not an 220 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:04.039 ancient Apostolic church. It's just an honor, that's it. There's 221 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:07.919 nothing about those churches that makes them more Christian, more holy, 222 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:12.759 more powerful than the others, because, as Ignacious says, the 223 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:15.879 fullness of the church is where the bishop and the 224 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:16.919 sacraments are. 225 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:18.720 Agree. 226 00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:21.120 Well, you don't agree with that because you don't believe that, 227 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:26.080 and you always argue that you're you were arguing, come on, man, 228 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:28.840 don't play these games. What what's your point? Man, dude, 229 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:31.320 you've called in with these same arguments. 230 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:33.440 Come on second time? 231 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:40.000 Being okay the second time, yes, help me understand your argument. 232 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:41.240 I don't get what you're I'm. 233 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.279 Not even making an argument. I'm really looking for clarification, 234 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:46.240 which you're partially given. But you've also ranted past where 235 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:47.799 I'm trying to go. 236 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:50.559 Because I don't think you understand these topics. Maybe you 237 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:53.240 need to be ranted at because you don't know what 238 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:58.159 these topics are about. Brother, do you do? I don't 239 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:00.240 think you do. You didn't know what an autocephalistic which 240 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:04.639 was you don't know? Okay, So if how do you 241 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:07.120 know these topics? If you don't know what an autocephalist 242 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:07.639 church is. 243 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:08.120 I didn't know. 244 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:10.039 If the top of my head, it's freaking nine o'clock. 245 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:11.279 Put my kid to bed, Like, what do you want 246 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:13.519 from me? I'm coming onto your show trying to ask 247 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:15.120 a question in your details. 248 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:18.279 No, you're not. You're you're acting like like you know 249 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:20.559 these you don't know the subject matter. 250 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:23.240 About five Anusker Well, Rome does this? It's like, I 251 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:25.039 don't care what Rome does right now, I'm asking you 252 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:25.480 a question. 253 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:27.320 Are you Roman Catholic? 254 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:28.200 Yeah? 255 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:29.759 Then you do care what Rome does? What are you 256 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:30.279 talking about? 257 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:36.080 Not from not I'm pertaining to the conversation. I'm asking 258 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:38.240 you a question about the imperial decrease. 259 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:41.200 Not being passive aggressive, just make your argument. 260 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:45.360 Okay, So again, it's not really an argument's more just I'm. 261 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:46.559 Curious, make your point. 262 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:50.279 Why was it based on an imperial decree and rather 263 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:54.360 than apastolic authority like Rome had. Then later I understand 264 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:56.840 you explained that part I'm trying to finish. Then later 265 00:14:57.080 --> 00:15:02.200 you have the instance where which everyone warned concept about 266 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:07.240 was I think six hundred I think it was Saint Gregory. 267 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:10.960 The East was calling themselves the universal Bishop. So how 268 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:13.759 does this stuff not continue to lead to those issues 269 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:17.679 where now you have a euc medical patriarch which is 270 00:15:17.919 --> 00:15:20.879 apparently just an honorary title, has no actual meaning. 271 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:23.600 Are you saying that that's what I said? I said, 272 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:26.720 it's an honorary tiger where he has canonical privileges in 273 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:30.399 his jurisdiction. I didn't say it had no extra Sorry, 274 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:32.039 go ahead. I didn't say it had no meaning. Don't 275 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:32.919 put words in my mouth. 276 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:35.639 No, I said that. I'm not saying you said, Okay, 277 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:42.759 I'm sair enough. Has he ever exercised any primacy authority 278 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:45.120 in over the church? So for example, you guys can't 279 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:49.440 agree on if someone should be rebaptized, right, So if. 280 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:51.120 Don't play this one game Dude, you're starting to piss 281 00:15:51.159 --> 00:15:53.240 me off. That's not true that we don't agree with 282 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:57.440 that because some people have disagreements online. You're assuming that 283 00:15:57.559 --> 00:15:59.679 we can't figure this out or agree with it. It's 284 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:03.919 because of the principle stop interrupting me, or we're never 285 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:07.039 going to talk again. Okay, good, it's because of the 286 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:11.600 principle of the interpretation at a local level that's allowed. 287 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:14.440 And so there's not a one size fits all rule. 288 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:17.240 You don't even know that your own canons of your 289 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:21.120 church in the ancient then the sixth Council, for example, 290 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:24.720 specify that certain people have to be rebaptized even if 291 00:16:24.759 --> 00:16:28.399 they were baptized in a Trinitarian formula, for example, the 292 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:33.360 Politians or the Eunomians, because it was a Unitarian baptism 293 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:36.840 even though it said the right words. So there's canonical 294 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:39.679 reasons why we do that. It's not an issue of 295 00:16:40.279 --> 00:16:43.200 we can't figure it out. It's left to the local 296 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:45.720 bishops to decide that. And that's how the church did 297 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:46.720 in the first thousand years. 298 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:46.919 Man. 299 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:51.279 Okay, And by the way, I'm perfectly fine accepting stuff 300 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:54.799 like remarks like that, I'm not staying outright. Hey, you 301 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:56.639 guys do this, Like, if you want to correct me 302 00:16:56.679 --> 00:17:02.360 on that stuff, that's great. I've had multiple Orthodox priests 303 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:04.079 tell many different things. 304 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:06.759 That's why, well guess what, I guess how many Roman 305 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:09.000 Catholic priests are going to tell me different things? So 306 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:10.000 that's what does that prove? 307 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:13.079 That's fair? I think that's fair. I'm just telling you 308 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:15.400 I can say that based off the experience I've had 309 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:21.200 with the Orthodox people that I've spoken to. So I 310 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:22.759 don't want to take up so much more time, but 311 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:27.319 one more question of would have then if you have 312 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:31.599 these like schisms, these ethnic based schisms, right, So you. 313 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:33.720 Mean like in the Roman Caloic church like in Antioch 314 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:35.720 where there's three patriarchs of Antioch. 315 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:40.359 That no more ethnic centric? 316 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:43.960 So like, does that ever happen in Roman Catholic churches 317 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:49.240 like Croatia where they're ethnocentric? Do you mean like liturgically? 318 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:55.559 You said ethnocentric liturgically is linguistic? So well, I guess. 319 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:56.599 I'm trying to undertand. 320 00:17:56.599 --> 00:17:58.119 When I go to if I go to Poland, is 321 00:17:58.119 --> 00:18:02.599 it ethnocentrically Catholic or what it's Catholic? Oh, but it's 322 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:03.960 not nothing centrically Catholic. 323 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:07.359 Well, if I if I go down the road to 324 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:09.599 my Catholic this is again getting off the topic of 325 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:10.000 my question. 326 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:12.440 No, it's so you you load your questions with these 327 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:14.880 passive aggressive jobs and then you act like a victim 328 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:18.440 when I call that out aggressive. No, come on, dude, No, 329 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:19.640 I know my heart. 330 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:21.799 Dude, it's not as aggressive, I promise you. I literally, 331 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:24.240 I'm just trying to engage these things that literally from 332 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:30.400 me mm hmm yeah literally, yeah. But why do you 333 00:18:30.440 --> 00:18:31.680 have such a war. 334 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:34.799 Editor because you're it's it's inauthentic, dude. I've done this 335 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:38.240 for twenty years. I can spot the passive aggressive bullshit 336 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:40.759 any day. 337 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:44.000 I actually think it would be good buddies. But uh, 338 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:46.319 that's yeah. Another time. 339 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:49.519 I guess it's because you guys always act the same way. 340 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:51.359 You do the same stuff, and I can tell by 341 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:54.440 the way and then you interrupt me a year you're 342 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:57.400 asking loaded questions and you load it with the passive 343 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:02.160 aggressive jabs like so like with you're that's nocentric religion, 344 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:04.480 and you know what that's getting at. You're trying to 345 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:07.680 say the Orthodoxy isn't ethnocentric, and we have these problems 346 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:13.160 as if your own freaking gay church doesn't have that problem. 347 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:15.000 I guess I'm asking in what way do we have 348 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:15.559 that problem? 349 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:15.880 Then? 350 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:16.680 Are you serious? 351 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:20.640 Dude? 352 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:26.279 Made a claim? Are Mexicans ethnocentric with their with their Catholicism? 353 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:28.079 Meaning what give me an example? 354 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:29.759 My gosh, all right, don't ever talk to me again. 355 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:34.519 Just go away. Yeah, you can't actually make good arguments, 356 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:38.359 and that's why you because your arguments are retarded and 357 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:41.960 stupid and they just rambled. They are you think, I 358 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:44.200 don't know what a loaded question and a loaded loaded 359 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:44.799 statement is. 360 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:49.160 If a question appears, if someone's interested in and they 361 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:50.119 get these. 362 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:52.599 Yeah, but I don't believe you are because you come 363 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:54.440 and you ask bad faith questions. 364 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:54.680 That's why. 365 00:19:54.839 --> 00:19:57.599 But you're saying their bad faith and they're just there 366 00:19:57.640 --> 00:19:58.799 questions that appear. 367 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:02.400 All the chat. Believe that you're gaslighting and being a bitch. 368 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:03.799 So you're calling me a bitch. 369 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:05.119 I literally don't care. 370 00:20:05.359 --> 00:20:07.279 Well good, that's God's good that you don't care, because 371 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:08.920 nobody's buying your crap. 372 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:10.279 That's why it's not crap. 373 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:12.440 Why don't you make an argument? Why can't you make 374 00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:13.319 an actual argument? 375 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:15.960 Because I didn't come here to argue with you, but 376 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:16.400 you did. 377 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:20.680 You did because you're debating, So just be honest and debate. 378 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:22.400 I would respect you more. 379 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:25.559 I know you get a hard on from debating people. Yeah, 380 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:28.440 I'm literally trying not to do that. I'm trying to 381 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:32.480 engage Eastern Orthodoxy polemically, yes, like obviously from an apology. 382 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:35.359 Okay, polemics is debating. So why are you talking bullshit again? 383 00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:38.240 Like you're not debating and stating that my questions while 384 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:41.359 they arrive in polemic nature. 385 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:44.160 That's debating. Stop being such a skittles man and just 386 00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:46.759 make your point like a man. Dude. What's your argument? 387 00:20:46.839 --> 00:20:47.599 What's your question? 388 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:52.160 Okay? 389 00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:57.720 Everyone believes your bad faith, so you've not convinced anyone 390 00:20:57.720 --> 00:20:58.400 that you argue with. 391 00:20:58.759 --> 00:21:00.400 You want to talk about jealousy? 392 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:07.319 Stop, how's that a fallacy? It's an analysis of everyone everyone. 393 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:09.480 I don't sound like that, dude. 394 00:21:09.519 --> 00:21:12.240 You're in your chat. Of course everyone's going to agree 395 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:12.400 with you. 396 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:14.480 Jay, there's plenty of Protestants in the chat. 397 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:16.359 I don't want no pro agree with me. 398 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:21.559 So you've you've missed on. You didn't know what autocephalist 399 00:21:21.640 --> 00:21:25.000 churches are, and you're here to tell me that. You said, yeah, 400 00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:27.480 because it's embarrassing. You said you know these topics. 401 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:28.440