1 00:00:03,839 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented by fan Tracks. Here's 2 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,839 your source of information and analysis to help you win 3 00:00:14,919 --> 00:00:16,199 your fantasy hockey league. 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:21,199 Speaker 2: Block off hot a, step hit on, stay lock. Here's 5 00:00:21,199 --> 00:00:25,039 your hosts, Jesse Solvier and Victor Nuno Ennessy Hockey Eli 6 00:00:25,399 --> 00:00:29,480 Back one second, Victor Nunyo of EP Ringside. I'm Jesse 7 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,879 Severe fan Tracks by the way, but more importantly Victor, 8 00:00:31,879 --> 00:00:32,359 how you doing. 9 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,119 Speaker 3: I'm doing great. Jesse, Yeah, excited to be here. And 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:37,119 how are you doing, my friend? 11 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,359 Speaker 2: I'm doing great. I'm doing great. Rolling through the season, 12 00:00:41,439 --> 00:00:45,240 trying to keep the lineups set in, the illegal lineups 13 00:00:45,399 --> 00:00:48,079 kept away. Isn't it the worst victory you ever get? 14 00:00:48,079 --> 00:00:49,640 In the fan tracks in the morning and you get 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,399 that big X with the triangle around it, or you 16 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,600 get the big red flash at the top of your 17 00:00:54,759 --> 00:00:56,640 roster page, You're like, oh no, what did I do? 18 00:00:56,719 --> 00:00:59,759 Why is my roster illegal today? 19 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? 20 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,759 Speaker 3: That's annoying. But what's even worse is when it's on 21 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,840 the top of your live scoring and it's as a 22 00:01:05,879 --> 00:01:11,079 future period is illegal and you're like scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, 23 00:01:11,079 --> 00:01:12,920 and it's three weeks in the future and you're all 24 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,200 freaked out and so far in the advance that you're like, 25 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:16,480 I don't need to deal with this right now. 26 00:01:17,079 --> 00:01:20,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. We just let those 27 00:01:20,239 --> 00:01:23,920 things fester. But Victor, these are our problems. These are 28 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,840 the sort of problems you and I have. But we're 29 00:01:26,879 --> 00:01:28,920 not the only ones. I bet some of you out 30 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,599 there feel the same way about your illegal roster warnings. 31 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,959 And you should come to our discord and talk about 32 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,319 that feeling that you have, because it's important to share 33 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:40,439 your emotions. And to do that, you just have to 34 00:01:40,439 --> 00:01:43,599 get a link from Victor and I and from Victor 35 00:01:43,599 --> 00:01:46,280 and me. And you can do that by emailing this 36 00:01:46,359 --> 00:01:49,319 Fantasy Hockey Life at gmail dot com. Hit up Victor 37 00:01:49,319 --> 00:01:51,359 on X Victor New New twelve, hit up me on 38 00:01:51,599 --> 00:01:54,280 X fan Hockey Life. You get a link, you come in. 39 00:01:54,359 --> 00:01:57,599 There's a couple hundred fantasy hockey crazies in there, and 40 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,799 they would love to hear about your field, about the 41 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,840 illegal roster thing that pops up on your page, Victor. 42 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:07,920 That's not all that people can do associated with this 43 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,199 your podcast. Tell them about some more. 44 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,719 Speaker 3: Well, there's all kinds of extra stuff if you're interested. 45 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,080 Of course, playing in the tidy is something that you 46 00:02:16,159 --> 00:02:19,039 hear on the show, and that is a great perk 47 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,319 for being a patron. You also can get one on 48 00:02:21,319 --> 00:02:25,479 one roster doctor help and ability to DM for trade 49 00:02:25,479 --> 00:02:28,439 advice and any kind of advice, as well as all 50 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,479 kinds of access to the website, which is only available 51 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,719 as ultralifers. If you want to get ranks, lists, player cards, 52 00:02:35,759 --> 00:02:38,479 all that kind of stuff is available through patreon dot 53 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:40,680 com slash Fantasy Hockey Life. 54 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: Yes, sir, all right, we're going to take a little 55 00:02:45,039 --> 00:02:48,400 time right here, come back and talk about some fantasy 56 00:02:48,439 --> 00:02:57,280 hockey victor. We're back. We're here to talk about the 57 00:02:57,319 --> 00:03:00,840 old X gamers today. You do some great writing on 58 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,479 the ep ringk side, and we don't want to let 59 00:03:02,479 --> 00:03:05,319 that stuff just pass because a lot of that information 60 00:03:05,439 --> 00:03:09,599 is very useful to our listeners as well. You go 61 00:03:09,879 --> 00:03:14,199 and look deeply into some of the young and upcoming 62 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,280 players where you really have to decide what you think 63 00:03:18,319 --> 00:03:21,479 of them in fantasy hockey because they're not yet established. 64 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,360 And the first one we have today is a little 65 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,960 gentleman named Josh Done. Not little, maybe not a gentleman, 66 00:03:29,039 --> 00:03:31,759 I'm not sure, but I know when we did our 67 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,560 call the eligible draft coming into the season. You took 68 00:03:35,639 --> 00:03:39,319 Josh Done in that draft, and I hassled you. I 69 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,159 made some sardonic remark about Victor taking Josh doone, and 70 00:03:43,759 --> 00:03:48,159 you posted immediately he'll outscore cobal Anco. Book it, and 71 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,840 so far you're right. He's outscored kbal Aenco and he's 72 00:03:51,879 --> 00:03:55,280 looking decent. The son of the franchise legend. If you 73 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,199 consider him to still be a continuation of the Arizona 74 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,520 Coyotes franchise, then he's the son of the franchise legend. 75 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,840 And he's been getting consistent time on the third line 76 00:04:04,879 --> 00:04:08,000 with established pros loss In Kraus and Alex Kirkfoot. He's 77 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,360 even managed some power play two minutes. What accounts for 78 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:16,000 this Victor Josh Jones rise from relative prospect obscurity to 79 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:17,399 this level of performance. 80 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,519 Speaker 3: That is an excellent question. That, of course, is the 81 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:25,279 crux of the article. A large part that I dissected there. 82 00:04:25,439 --> 00:04:27,000 But I think a big part of it is that 83 00:04:27,199 --> 00:04:30,800 the reality is for Josh Done. Not a lot of 84 00:04:30,879 --> 00:04:33,279 us saw this coming. In fact, I will freely admit 85 00:04:33,319 --> 00:04:35,680 that I was someone who when they made this pick, thought, oh, 86 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,399 that's a great nepotism. Pick, you're taking the sun, as 87 00:04:39,439 --> 00:04:42,279 you mentioned of Shane Doon, with an early pick, you're 88 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,360 talking about thirty seventh. Overall, that is typically a range 89 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,360 where you get some pretty good you could get some 90 00:04:48,399 --> 00:04:50,639 pretty good value for someone, and his stats in that 91 00:04:50,759 --> 00:04:53,600 season did not really pop off the page in the USHL. 92 00:04:54,399 --> 00:04:57,480 Since then, he basically did nothing but prove everyone wrong. 93 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,199 And I thought a lot about this with Doan because 94 00:05:01,759 --> 00:05:04,160 you look at the numbers and you watch him skate, 95 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,079 which is wonky, and he has some skill, but it's okay. 96 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,040 I think what it really comes down to with Doan 97 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,160 is that he's just one of these guys that's more 98 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,759 some of his parts than he has individual skills, because 99 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,000 you put it all together in the package and you're like, 100 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,639 this is okay, it's not super exciting, but he's super competitive. 101 00:05:24,199 --> 00:05:25,959 He's a hard and soul kind of guy. He's one 102 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:29,639 of these leaders and maybe that just makes up for 103 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:34,959 everything else. I'm not exactly sure, but every single level 104 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,959 that he has played at he has basically outperformed what 105 00:05:38,319 --> 00:05:41,360 Ever since that draft season, he's outperformed that. So his 106 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,519 deeplus one in Chicago Steele when he was at Arizona 107 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,600 State he was just incredible for not the best Ncuba team, 108 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,279 and then he goes to the AHL and he looks amazing, 109 00:05:51,439 --> 00:05:54,680 and his brief NHL stint was just bang bang every 110 00:05:54,759 --> 00:05:58,160 step he's shown everyone wrong. So I think it's the smarts. 111 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,319 I think it's the compete, and I think it's just 112 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,680 the determination. He's just got some of that in factor. 113 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,680 I'm not exactly sure, but I just it seems pretty 114 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,439 clear that betting against him is probably not the smartest 115 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:10,319 move at this point. 116 00:06:11,959 --> 00:06:15,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, It's always hard to tell with these legacy guys. 117 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,720 There's that one side. And apologies that this is the 118 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,600 most basic take ever, but there's the one side of 119 00:06:21,639 --> 00:06:24,360 these legacy guys where they grew up in the game. 120 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,240 There are some bloodlines, there's something they've learned it or 121 00:06:28,319 --> 00:06:31,240 absorbed over the years. They've got the mentoring from somebody 122 00:06:31,319 --> 00:06:35,639 who has done that, been there and obviously had a 123 00:06:35,639 --> 00:06:37,800 ton of talent, knows a lot of people has all 124 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,560 the right connections to get you the right kind of 125 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,800 coaching and get you pointed in the right direction. On 126 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,240 the other hand, is it the nepotism. Yeah, it's you 127 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,079 make some great points there, Victor, but really, what your 128 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,160 fantasy managers want to know, is how high is this 129 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:53,959 ceiling going to go? 130 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the obviously the multi million dollar question here, 131 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,240 and I don't necessarily know. I think it's really hard 132 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,040 to tell because you're looking at Utah and you're looking 133 00:07:06,079 --> 00:07:09,839 at what kind of lineup they have and where they're headed. 134 00:07:09,879 --> 00:07:12,279 They seem to be on the right trajectory. Things have 135 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,800 started well for them in this season, and you look 136 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,040 at that top six and you say, Okay, is one 137 00:07:18,079 --> 00:07:21,079 of these spots here for don And yet maybe I 138 00:07:21,079 --> 00:07:25,079 don't think Cooley, gun Their Keller, Schmaltz, and probably Hayden 139 00:07:25,199 --> 00:07:28,160 are going anywhere. Maybe in a perfect world, Hayden would 140 00:07:28,199 --> 00:07:30,839 be an awesome third line center, but they'd have to 141 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,319 really get someone a much better to fill in there. 142 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,040 I guess there's a left wing spot. Possibly Kraus is 143 00:07:38,079 --> 00:07:41,560 certainly in that middle six. There's Mitchelli. It's hard to say, 144 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,920 and he needs to really get that opportunity. So far 145 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,519 this season he is getting some power play time, typically 146 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,759 on the second. He's going to need to increase his 147 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,639 time on ice. He's currently under fourteen minutes, so he's 148 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,240 going to need to basically play in the top six 149 00:07:56,319 --> 00:07:59,959 to have more relevance than what we've seen so far. 150 00:08:00,519 --> 00:08:02,480 I think that he can certainly get to the fifty 151 00:08:02,519 --> 00:08:05,480 to sixty point range, and his peripheral should be decent. 152 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,199 He looks like a guy who can be about a 153 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,040 hit per game blocks average for forward, but he hasn't 154 00:08:11,079 --> 00:08:14,959 been too much of a volume shooter yet so far. 155 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,839 In the past, he has been pretty in the AHL 156 00:08:17,959 --> 00:08:20,279 he was he was in the eightieth percentile for shots 157 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,720 and his hits were pretty decent. So even if he 158 00:08:24,759 --> 00:08:28,160 doesn't fully translate with the points, he should have a 159 00:08:28,199 --> 00:08:30,759 pretty decent peripheral floor. He should be a little bit 160 00:08:30,759 --> 00:08:34,440 better than average, maybe around average, But I think he's 161 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,759 probably more of a fifty to sixty point guy. In fact, 162 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:40,759 Shane and I, as we're recording this, are going to 163 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,799 do a patron cast and one of the things we're 164 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:45,759 trying to think about is who is going to be 165 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,039 the on the power play long term, like three, four, 166 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,759 three or five years from now. And I think that's 167 00:08:52,759 --> 00:08:55,759 the big question is does don't fit into that Gunther 168 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,320 Kooli color one of Jersey, Sergachev and again La are 169 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,440 probably there, So where's don't fit? I'm not sure maybe 170 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,240 he can work get in and do net front or 171 00:09:06,879 --> 00:09:10,440 potentially find a role, but it seems hard to imagine 172 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,399 that he's going to take one of those other spots 173 00:09:12,399 --> 00:09:15,679 for the forwards, So that would really limit his point 174 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,200 potential to the probably closer to forty to fifty. So 175 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,120 that's what I'm thinking. But as I said before, underestimating 176 00:09:23,159 --> 00:09:25,240 this guy has been a full erand so far, and 177 00:09:25,279 --> 00:09:27,080 he might continue to prove everyone wrong and he might 178 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:28,639 push himself all the way up to the top of 179 00:09:28,639 --> 00:09:31,399 the lineup. I think that's less likely, but I think 180 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:33,399 we should all be a little bit more excited about 181 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,559 Josh Done than we were initially. That's basically might take Jesse. 182 00:09:36,879 --> 00:09:39,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. He doesn't have to end up being 183 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,480 Clinton killer to be valuable in fantasy hockey and to 184 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:46,519 be relevant to the NHL. Next up, Victor, we're going 185 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,440 to talk about Cole Hudson of the Washington Capitals. He 186 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,840 is the defenseman, of course, who was drafted in the 187 00:09:52,879 --> 00:09:56,600 second round of this year's draft, and he's already been 188 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,679 spotted at one of his brother's games or Montreal. Of course, 189 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:04,679 ol brother Lane Hudson is preceding him in his track 190 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,120 and Cole is already He's already scored a goal and 191 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,279 had an assist in his first two contests of the 192 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:15,320 season for Boston University, where he plays with another Cole Aiserman, 193 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,080 who was drafted a bit ahead of Cole Hudson this year. 194 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,879 But I attached into our show notes a clip of 195 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:27,080 video where Cole Eiserman is just absolutely showering with praise 196 00:10:27,279 --> 00:10:31,879 Cole Hudson's passing ability and his work on the ice. 197 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,240 He's already made a fan of mister Iiserman victory. You 198 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,600 made a point in your article that just because Hudson 199 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,759 is outperforming his draft position and he's another riser, it's 200 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,399 not because he's a carbon copy of his brother, which, 201 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,399 of course just the first instinct any human would have 202 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,399 as high performing defenseman, his younger brother comes in, must 203 00:10:51,399 --> 00:10:53,759 be the same kind of guy. How does Cole differ 204 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,039 from that red hot newcomer into the NHL, Lane Hudson. 205 00:10:58,799 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some really interesting nuanced differences here. I think 206 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,519 Cole is a bit more physical than Lane. I think 207 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,720 he's a little bit better skater, and I think he's 208 00:11:08,759 --> 00:11:11,559 more of a transition sorry, less of a more of 209 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,519 a transition player, and more of a read and react 210 00:11:13,639 --> 00:11:17,759 kind of player. Lane tends to seems like he anyways, 211 00:11:17,799 --> 00:11:19,480 he has more of a plan and he tends to 212 00:11:19,519 --> 00:11:22,440 dictate the play from the back end. We saw in 213 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:27,080 preseason and even in the NHL some incredible from goal 214 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,559 line to blue line type passes, springing guys on breakaways, 215 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,600 things like that. That's more what Lane does. Cole is 216 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,279 more up the ice, good transition, moving the puck, that 217 00:11:37,399 --> 00:11:41,200 kind of thing. What Lane is doing, at least in 218 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,600 some of the microstats early in this season are like 219 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,360 kil mccarr level type things where you really just are 220 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,639 generating so much offensively, setting guys up for really high 221 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,919 and pass high end chances and some of those things. 222 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,919 I don't think Cole has the same upside er vision. 223 00:12:02,039 --> 00:12:05,399 Cole's defensive reads are also a bit worse at the 224 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,200 same stage, and we saw some of that from Lane 225 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,759 that got a lot better, and so I'm pretty confident 226 00:12:11,759 --> 00:12:14,720 that Cole can also improve that. And he's certainly, like 227 00:12:14,759 --> 00:12:17,919 you said, there's natural comparisons. And on the other hand, 228 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,879 as a brother who's breaking in right now to the NHL, 229 00:12:21,279 --> 00:12:24,279 there's a clear path for how to do that. What 230 00:12:24,399 --> 00:12:27,600 things need to be worked on and I'm sure he's 231 00:12:27,639 --> 00:12:29,519 seen all the hard work his brother has done, so 232 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,759 that part is good. I think it's helpful to highlight 233 00:12:32,799 --> 00:12:35,159 some of the similarities too. They're undersize, as we know, 234 00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:39,440 but Cole is actually a bit taller than Lane was 235 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,639 at the same age. He's as a full inch taller 236 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,759 then Lane, so he was drafted at five point ten. 237 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,879 Lane is now that height, but he was definitely more 238 00:12:49,039 --> 00:12:52,399 like five ' nine when he was drafted, so there's 239 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,000 a bit potentially less of a size concern with Cole. 240 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,759 Other similarities are that shiftiness, which they both have. I 241 00:12:59,799 --> 00:13:02,879 think think Lane is probably more shifty, more dynamic on 242 00:13:02,919 --> 00:13:05,799 his feet walking the blue line. That's something that Cole 243 00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:08,200 can do but not quite as well as his brother. 244 00:13:08,879 --> 00:13:12,480 And the competitiveness. They're both super competitive and guys that 245 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,559 not only will compete on the ice book but off 246 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,639 the ice to get better and improve. And then the creativity. 247 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,639 I think that they're both super creative, but Lane probably 248 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,240 a little bit more question for all of you listening 249 00:13:24,279 --> 00:13:27,720 to think about which brother do you think holds the 250 00:13:27,759 --> 00:13:30,559 all time record for defensive scoring at the USNTDP, which 251 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,320 Hudson brother. A lot of you would probably think it's Lane, 252 00:13:34,399 --> 00:13:37,799 but it's actually Coal, and that is something that I 253 00:13:37,799 --> 00:13:40,360 think is a huge feather in his cap because I've 254 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,759 made the argument before that Cole did this with less 255 00:13:43,799 --> 00:13:46,279 talent around him, and that's something I go into in 256 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:47,960 the article. You just look at the names, and of 257 00:13:48,039 --> 00:13:51,039 course we don't know how some of the teammates for 258 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:52,639 Cole are going to stack up, but if you just 259 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,679 look at him, even in their draft season, they were 260 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,360 not the same. They were far less in terms of 261 00:13:57,399 --> 00:14:01,600 the talent around him, and so speaks pretty highly of 262 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,399 what he did and what he was able to achieve. 263 00:14:04,799 --> 00:14:07,000 I think it's also pretty important to remember that Cole 264 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,519 was super young June twenty eighth birthday, so he has 265 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:14,639 a lot more runway to improve than Lane did in 266 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,360 his draft season. He could be being so young for 267 00:14:17,399 --> 00:14:19,960 his draft class late. Lane was a February fourteenth birthday, 268 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,200 so he is almost six months older, and that makes 269 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,519 a huge difference in terms of just his development and 270 00:14:25,559 --> 00:14:27,919 how mature he was. So some of the immaturity and 271 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,720 the defensive reads and some of the abilities that Cole 272 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:33,320 needs to some of the things Cole needs to work on, 273 00:14:33,399 --> 00:14:35,559 he has a lot more time to do and so 274 00:14:35,639 --> 00:14:39,200 you give a little bit more leniency there, But those 275 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:40,679 are some of the main differences Jesse. 276 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:44,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is something we'll be looking forward to. But 277 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:49,360 the question, Victor once again, Cole Hudson great in the 278 00:14:49,519 --> 00:14:54,639 US and in TDP, but how high is his upside 279 00:14:54,679 --> 00:14:56,639 for the NHL and what kind of a role do 280 00:14:56,679 --> 00:14:58,080 you think he'll work himself into. 281 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, that is question, of course, and it's hard to say. 282 00:15:02,399 --> 00:15:06,279 But when you look at this depth chart for the 283 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:11,000 Washington Capitals, you don't really see anyone who is the 284 00:15:11,039 --> 00:15:13,159 clear air parent. There was a time when we thought 285 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:17,039 that might be Alexander Alexeiev. That is clearly not the case. 286 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,600 They did draft Cam Allen with some hopes of maybe 287 00:15:19,639 --> 00:15:22,480 doing that. Ryan Chesley is clearly more of a defensive 288 00:15:22,519 --> 00:15:25,960 Guylean Moogley is a decent puck mover, but no one 289 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,919 in their system is anywhere close or has the opportunity 290 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,480 to be anything similar to what Cole Hudson can be. 291 00:15:33,679 --> 00:15:36,600 So he is the air parent to that high end 292 00:15:36,679 --> 00:15:40,279 powerplay quarterback unless they go out and draft someone next year, 293 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,159 which is a pretty decent There should be some decent 294 00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:47,039 options in the next couple of years, but it's gonna 295 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,679 be Cole. Most likely, he'll have the inside track. He'll 296 00:15:49,679 --> 00:15:52,840 be farther along all of those things. If he hits 297 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,120 that upside, it's gonna be similar to Lane, a guy 298 00:15:56,159 --> 00:16:00,240 who can be super dynamic and make guys miss the 299 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,799 blue line, set up guys with mccarth type instincts and 300 00:16:05,159 --> 00:16:09,320 abilities to score at a super high end and be 301 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,320 a top four, our top pair, even all around kind 302 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,480 of guy. That's his upside. I think he has as 303 00:16:15,559 --> 00:16:18,360 high as it goes, but there's a lot of work 304 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:20,799 to get there, and I think a key thing is 305 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,919 that he really knows what he needs to work on, 306 00:16:23,039 --> 00:16:26,000 and he's ready and willing to do it, and he's 307 00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:29,080 got great coaches there to help him. We were talking 308 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,840 about the comparisons the BU staff. How lucky are they 309 00:16:31,879 --> 00:16:35,159 They go from Lane to Cole and they have this 310 00:16:35,279 --> 00:16:40,799 incredible defensive, high offensive acumen guy, and they also know 311 00:16:40,879 --> 00:16:42,840 the things that each one needs to work on them 312 00:16:42,879 --> 00:16:44,879 being a little bit different, they can tailor, but they've 313 00:16:44,919 --> 00:16:47,679 shown that they can. It wasn't just Cole, I wasn't 314 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,039 just Lane. It was the coaching staff and everyone around 315 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,519 him really helping him get there. And I'm sure that 316 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,960 the Cole can get there too. So I believe in 317 00:16:56,039 --> 00:17:00,639 the in the development with the college staff there, and 318 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,240 I think that he's really going to get there and 319 00:17:04,279 --> 00:17:07,319 be a super valuable guy. On the other hand, if 320 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:10,160 someone wants to give you that type of value now 321 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,880 instead of waiting two or three years and you're ready 322 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,319 to compete, you might want to just do that because 323 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,440 there is still some volatility in Cole Hudson's projection and 324 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,480 nothing is guaranteed. So if they're going to give you 325 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,480 a super high end player that's going to help you 326 00:17:25,559 --> 00:17:27,720 in your window now rather than waiting a couple of years, 327 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:29,960 I wouldn't be opposed to moving him. What do you 328 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:30,839 think about that, Jesse? 329 00:17:32,839 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 2: You got to keep an open mind of these things. 330 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:39,880 And I think his last name is going to put 331 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,319 him in people's minds more easily. At the last name, 332 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,599 Hudson's a name brand now, so you might be able 333 00:17:46,599 --> 00:17:49,960 to get a greater amount of value for him because 334 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,599 people are going to expect him to come out at 335 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,079 the right end of the funnel. And yeah, I think 336 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,559 there's an opportunity, there is always an arbitrage opportunity that 337 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,000 Hudson is going to have more of than possibly similarly 338 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:10,799 talented players. Let's move to Zach Benson of the Buffalo Sabers. 339 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:14,039 It's hard not to love a little eighteen year old 340 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,400 holding his own in the NHL for a full year, 341 00:18:17,559 --> 00:18:21,519 and yes, small not a big feller. Not only that 342 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,599 he finished roughling the middle of a poor Sabers squad 343 00:18:25,839 --> 00:18:28,440 in twenty three to twenty four in goals above replacement, 344 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,359 he actually finished about neck and neck with Jeff Skinner, 345 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,200 although in a completely different way. Because Zach Benson, believe 346 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,640 it or not, his most valuable characteristic was a positive 347 00:18:39,839 --> 00:18:44,960 even strength defense. That's again, for an undersized eighteen year old, 348 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:49,279 pretty nice stuff to be showing already now a second 349 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,559 year guy, he's getting top six deployment. Is Zach Benson 350 00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:55,279 two games with Dylan Cousins and Jack Quinn, two with 351 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,319 Dage Thompson and Alex Tuck among the first four of 352 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,200 the season. He's also getting real power play time on ice. 353 00:19:02,599 --> 00:19:05,119 Are the Sabers on of a guy who is going 354 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,799 to flourish? Is Zach Benson going to be a real 355 00:19:08,839 --> 00:19:09,920 solid contributor here? 356 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,279 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so, And to be to get to 357 00:19:15,319 --> 00:19:18,039 the point, I think the answer is yes, he was 358 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,880 quite literally as a rookie, as an eighteen year old rookie, 359 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,319 one of the best four or five all around forwards 360 00:19:24,079 --> 00:19:28,839 last season and probably already this season, so he's already 361 00:19:29,039 --> 00:19:33,920 there in terms of skill that I don't think necessarily 362 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,960 right now translates to fantasy value, because one of the 363 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,799 really difficult things with Benson is going to be that 364 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:48,599 he just doesn't really do anything when he's not other 365 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,279 than scoring, he doesn't really do much at all. He 366 00:19:52,319 --> 00:19:54,720 doesn't really shoot that much. He doesn't really hit her block. 367 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,400 If you're in a league with takeaways, that is something 368 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,319 he's pretty good at, and the defensive play and the 369 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,519 tidy We talked about it on the episode on the 370 00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:06,240 Tidy Takes episode with Craft start talking about him being 371 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,279 a better real life player, and I agree with that. 372 00:20:08,519 --> 00:20:11,039 When tidy, you do get rewarded for things like time 373 00:20:11,079 --> 00:20:15,119 on ice and Fenwick and takeaways. So potentially that could 374 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,480 be that could save you if you're in one of 375 00:20:17,519 --> 00:20:19,160 those kinds of leagues. But for the most part, in 376 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,640 a standard setup, I'm not sure he's ever going to 377 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,119 have that super high end value, which is going to 378 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,000 be a little bit frustrating because you're going to see 379 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,799 the product on the ice, and you're going to think, Ah, 380 00:20:28,799 --> 00:20:31,400 he's so good and he's really fun to watch. But 381 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,559 is he za going to translate all the way to 382 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,599 elite fantasy production. That's my worry right now as we're 383 00:20:37,599 --> 00:20:40,519 recording this, he has zero points through five games, and 384 00:20:40,599 --> 00:20:43,680 he has a wopping total of eight shots in five games. 385 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,079 So this is all quite poor. I'm sure if you're 386 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:50,240 rostering him in a redraft league, I don't know why 387 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,559 you'd be doing that, because I'm sure really frustrated. But 388 00:20:53,759 --> 00:20:55,799 you know, in a Keeper of Dynasty year, holding on 389 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,799 for what's to come, and I think what's to come 390 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,000 is a really high potential that's going to be the 391 00:21:01,079 --> 00:21:04,319 rub And in a points only league he might be 392 00:21:04,319 --> 00:21:06,440 an easier hold than in a peripherals league that might 393 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,480 be more challenging. Know at you think, Jesse, it's a. 394 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 2: Paradox, Victor will a Sabers team that is good enough 395 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:20,000 to be good Now I'm being redundant. Is Benson going 396 00:21:20,079 --> 00:21:24,640 to have a significant offensive role on a team that 397 00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:28,759 is good enough to make his offensive role significant? Does 398 00:21:28,839 --> 00:21:32,279 that make sense? If the Sabers suddenly get good, it's 399 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:37,200 probably because they have more really good offensive players, which 400 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:40,279 might knock Zack Benson out of the top six. On 401 00:21:40,319 --> 00:21:42,880 the other hand, Zack Benson, while he's in the top six, 402 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,160 is going to have to deal with the lack of 403 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,759 production of the people around him. I don't know. I 404 00:21:47,799 --> 00:21:50,440 said the same thing three ways. Didn't make sense any 405 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,759 of the times that I did, Victor, But I'm enjoying 406 00:21:52,759 --> 00:21:57,359 myself if nothing else, Victor, how high is this going 407 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,000 to go? Though? 408 00:21:59,079 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so. I think I understand your question, 409 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,000 and it's always a tricky thing, and I think with Benson, 410 00:22:05,799 --> 00:22:09,880 I firmly believe that if the Sabers are good, he 411 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,839 will be a part of it, and I think he 412 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,920 will remain in the top six regardless. And I think 413 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,400 if that means someone like a Kulick or a Cousins 414 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,720 or a Peterka having to go to the third line, 415 00:22:21,799 --> 00:22:25,680 I think that Benson keeps his spot. But I still 416 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,319 don't necessarily know if that means he's a seventy to 417 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:33,279 eighty point guy, because he's just gonna do whatever is 418 00:22:33,319 --> 00:22:35,279 best for the team, and he might not end up 419 00:22:35,319 --> 00:22:37,720 scoring a bunch or he might depending on if that's 420 00:22:37,759 --> 00:22:39,359 the role they want for him. But he's the kind 421 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,359 of guy that they can put on any line and 422 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,519 help them be responsible. He can help them, he can 423 00:22:46,599 --> 00:22:51,079 help any other duo be better defensively and drive some 424 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,680 offense from that line. Maybe not as a teenager, but 425 00:22:53,759 --> 00:22:56,279 maybe in a year or two he might get that role. 426 00:22:56,319 --> 00:22:58,920 So that's what I'm worried about. I'm sure that he 427 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,279 can be a point per game forward in the right situation, 428 00:23:01,559 --> 00:23:04,519 but the team, I think, as you were suggesting, that's 429 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:07,559 to me the more limiting factor. Quite frankly, then how 430 00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:10,039 good Benson is. I think Benson is good enough to 431 00:23:10,079 --> 00:23:12,119 be there and to be one of the highest producers 432 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,680 on the team, but the team might put him more 433 00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:17,880 in a defensive role, give him fewer offensive zone starts, 434 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,880 give him worst linemates. Right now, that hasn't really been 435 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,640 the case. It's been Cousins and Kulik, which has been 436 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:28,000 pretty good, but the Sabers are also really struggling, and 437 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,000 so they might that might not last. He has also 438 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:36,200 had some time with Jack Quinn and Tuck and Thompson 439 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,480 a little bit. That would obviously be ideal if he 440 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,680 could be with Tuck and Thompson. I think everybody would 441 00:23:40,759 --> 00:23:43,319 like that, But I'm not sure that he has the 442 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,000 profile that's going to dictate that, because he's so good 443 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,240 defensively and doesn't necessarily need those guys to create the 444 00:23:50,279 --> 00:23:52,440 offense for him. I could see the coach saying, well, 445 00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:56,880 let's put him, you know, down with Jordan Greenway or whatever. 446 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,559 Put him all with some less offensively talented guys, some 447 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,359 you know, Zucker McLeod, Krebs kind of guys, and that 448 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,200 would obviously be really bad for him. So I can 449 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,200 see the worry there. So maybe right now this isn't 450 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,960 a good time to do it. But if he gets 451 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,079 on a bit of a hot streak, maybe you pull 452 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,960 the trigger and try to sell him for someone who's 453 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,960 a more standard seventy to eighty point player and cash 454 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:23,519 in on some of that upside that he may or 455 00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:25,599 may not ever realize. What do you think of that plan, Jesse? 456 00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:30,319 Speaker 2: I like it, Victor. I just am over here thinking, 457 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,759 wherever you go, there you are, Victor, And the same 458 00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:36,680 goes for the Sabers. Wherever the Sabers go. So the 459 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,759 Sabers are all we are is dust in the wind. 460 00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:43,759 And I'm going to contemplate the sound of one hand 461 00:24:43,799 --> 00:24:48,319 clapping while you all listen to these advertisements and then 462 00:24:48,319 --> 00:24:48,960 we'll come back. 463 00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:06,079 Speaker 1: Christian as shack you an apologize wasn't really familiar with 464 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:06,720 your game, and. 465 00:25:06,759 --> 00:25:16,319 Speaker 2: You know, Victor, we're back with a couple of more 466 00:25:16,519 --> 00:25:19,880 of the guys you've been analyzing in your wonderful series 467 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:24,640 over at ep RNK side. Next up, Gavin Brindley, former 468 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,480 Michigan Wolverine star, got one game for the CBJS after 469 00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:31,480 leaving the NCAA last year, but he broke a finger 470 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,759 this year and he's on the shelf for a little while. 471 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,839 There seem to be a lot of ways to see 472 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,599 the glass half full or the glass happenty on this guy, 473 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,279 if I'm reading correctly your takes in your article. Some 474 00:25:44,319 --> 00:25:46,240 of the models like what he was able to show 475 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,559 in college. Some scouts have really positive things today, and 476 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:52,400 some think maybe he's not going to be all that 477 00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:54,799 in a bag of donuts. Where do you come down 478 00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:57,000 on the Gavin Brindley. 479 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:01,519 Speaker 3: Question, Yeah, I definitely see both sides of this, and 480 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,519 to some extent there's a similar discussion here as what 481 00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:07,079 was with Benson. I don't think that the upside is 482 00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:10,000 as high for Brindley, but he is just an excellent 483 00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:15,000 all around player, and so we have to recognize that 484 00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:19,000 even though he is a little bit smaller, he doesn't 485 00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:22,680 really let that limit him. He's actually pretty pretty physical. 486 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,400 He's pretty engaged, and he's really feisty, and he definitely 487 00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:29,160 hits a lot, or at least he has so far 488 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,519 on the NCAA. We'll see if that translates to the 489 00:26:31,559 --> 00:26:34,559 professional ranks or not, because it might be a little 490 00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:37,480 bit harder when you're five foot eight and one hundred 491 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:39,279 seventy three pounds to hit some of the guys that 492 00:26:39,319 --> 00:26:42,279 are six two two twenty, But we'll see. I think 493 00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:44,559 that he has that grit in him to do that. 494 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,079 I definitely think he's more of a middle six and 495 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,400 a top six forward though so second line is still 496 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,079 well within the question, but I think he's more likely 497 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,880 a third liner. He's got that energy, he's got that tenacity. 498 00:26:57,039 --> 00:26:59,759 He's going to be a coach's dream, quite frankly, and 499 00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:01,319 so I think he's going to be one of these 500 00:27:01,319 --> 00:27:04,799 guys that they send out and just feel good about 501 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,000 playing in any situation. Someone mentioned to me recently that, oh, 502 00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:12,240 he's like the next gave Brendan Gallagher, and I was thinking, 503 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,759 that's not a terrible comparison just in terms of the size, 504 00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:19,079 but they're very different players and how they generate their 505 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,880 offense and how they compete. Brinley has been more of 506 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,519 a volume shooter up until this point, but I'm not 507 00:27:25,559 --> 00:27:28,119 sure how much that's going to continue. So we'll see. 508 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,319 I don't think that Brindley's going to be as much 509 00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:33,200 of a score as Gallagher has been, but we'll see 510 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,480 that he could end up being quite similar. And if 511 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,319 the hits and the physicality and the peripherals translate, then 512 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,960 you might end up having someone like Brendan Gallagher two 513 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,400 point zero, which I know a lot of us have 514 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,720 probably rostered in our time in fantasy at one point 515 00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:46,160 or another. 516 00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, boy, Brandy Gallagher's She's broken my heart over the years, Victure. 517 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,359 I was I he was one of my fantasy darlings 518 00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:59,400 early on and earlier in his career, and now he's 519 00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:01,759 just natural age and I think and the time has 520 00:28:01,839 --> 00:28:05,240 taken a toll. But okay, Gavin Brindley. That sounds a 521 00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:08,759 little bit more optimistic than I initially had. But the 522 00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:12,480 question is how high can Gavin Brindley climb in the 523 00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:14,319 CBJ hierarchy. 524 00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 3: That is another really good question. I think, like with 525 00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:20,720 a lot of these things, it comes down to who 526 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,079 is on the power play, and I think that's going 527 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,440 to be a really tricky question. I personally don't think 528 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,279 that he's gonna dictate a spot on the power play. 529 00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:33,200 I think if we're projecting in the future, if Fantilly 530 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:36,960 has a spot, for sure, I think Lindstrom probably will. 531 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,319 I think that whether it's my Taychuk and or year Check, 532 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,079 they might use Yarcheck for the shot. Marchenko's got a 533 00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:47,160 great shot. They've got Ken Johnson being the half Wall creator. 534 00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:50,799 If he continues to improve and progress. I'm just not 535 00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:52,799 sure that there's going to be a spot for Brinley 536 00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:54,759 on that power play. And if he doesn't have that 537 00:28:54,839 --> 00:28:57,599 powerplay spot, I think he's probably more of a fifty 538 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,599 ish point guy with hopefully good priffs, which is kind 539 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,799 of what Brendan Gallagher was right for a lot of 540 00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:06,920 his career, and that I think he's more likely that 541 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:09,400 can he be on that power play? Can he push 542 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,240 his way on there? Certainly, And I think that would 543 00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:14,039 be a pretty somewhat unlikely outcome as far as I 544 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,079 can tell, But I don't also wouldn't put it past 545 00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:20,400 him because he's so tenacious and feisty that I think 546 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,720 he'll push for that, and the coach, depending on who 547 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,240 the coach is at the time, may want to really 548 00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:27,480 reward all his strong play at even strength and give 549 00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:30,240 him some power play time. NetFront is not something that 550 00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:33,119 he's going to do with his size, and so you're 551 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:34,839 and he's not going to be at the point. So 552 00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:37,240 maybe you're in the high slot, bumper, or maybe you're 553 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:39,880 on the playmaker. He doesn't have the one timer, so 554 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,960 you're basically limiting him to two potential spot options, and 555 00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:46,200 to think that he's going to be better than the 556 00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:49,039 other options seems unlikely to me. I think the upside 557 00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:50,839 is a bit muted. I think he's for sure in 558 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,799 NHL are, but I just think he's probably more the 559 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,160 fourth liner quite frankly, unfortunately, that. 560 00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 2: Will be one to watch. It's hard to tell. There's 561 00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:02,240 a lot of skill, a lot of skill coming up, 562 00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:04,559 and we're trying to figure out how much of that 563 00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:08,680 potential is going to translate into actual production or we'll 564 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,799 see gom Brindley could still be in that mix. I 565 00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:13,960 think you make great points there, Victor. Joe Kim Kimmel 566 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,400 is the last of the guys who we had your 567 00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:21,240 articles on that we're going to talk about today. He's 568 00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:25,920 one of my Milwaukee Admirals. The Finnish player. The finn 569 00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:28,680 Joe Kim Kimmel has slowly climbed the charts since being 570 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,960 drafted in twenty twenty two. He has a record of 571 00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:35,880 kind of production in the fifties type point pace fifties 572 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,279 per eighty two. I guess I should say in the AHL, 573 00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:41,880 and could be reasonably expected to debut for the Nashville 574 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,279 Predators this year at age twenty. That's a nice young 575 00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:48,079 age to be appearing, but he's already had a couple 576 00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:53,039 of seasons of HL production, so that's maybe to be expected. 577 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,200 That said, not all the models love him. Victor, I 578 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,079 don't know. Do you see a Fantasy contributor long and Kemmel. 579 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,759 Speaker 3: Yes, I do, I think, is the short answer. Realistically, 580 00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:08,759 he's probably more of a middle six guy. His shot, though, 581 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,440 that shot begs to be on a power play, probably 582 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:15,160 the top power play. It is incredible. It's not better 583 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,359 than Steven Stamkos's, but who is not very many and 584 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,720 as long as stam Cost is there, he's not gonna 585 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:27,079 overtake him. For that power play time. But it's possible 586 00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:30,000 that stamp Coos doesn't fully play out the next three 587 00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:32,400 years after this one, So maybe Kemill gets a little 588 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,160 bit of an opportunity, or maybe he can do a 589 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,920 different role on there. He has really improved his playmaking, 590 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,039 kim Will has, and so that is another option of 591 00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:46,400 how he might get onto the top power play. The 592 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,160 thing that's nice about him though, as opposed to know 593 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,359 we were talking about Benson earlier, Kimill should have a 594 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,720 really high peripheral floor. According to his AHL stats, he 595 00:31:54,759 --> 00:31:59,759 was ninetieth percentile for hits, seventieth for shots, and seventieth 596 00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:03,079 for so overall he should be in the eightieth nineteenth 597 00:32:03,079 --> 00:32:06,359 percentile for peripheral for bash. So that's going to make 598 00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:09,119 it a lot easier to hold Kimmel, even if he's 599 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,240 not scoring a bunch, which I still don't know how 600 00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:15,640 much is scoring is going to translate to the NHL. 601 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,359 A couple of the guys that I was talking about, 602 00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:19,079 I think he might be more of a fifty h 603 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,720 point guy, guy who can score twenty to twenty five goals, 604 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,759 but beyond that it's hard to say. I think that 605 00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:27,279 if he gets that opportunity, which I think he should 606 00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:29,759 at some point be on the top power play that 607 00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:33,240 can certainly give him another ten to twenty points, and 608 00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:36,079 then he could be, as I compare him in the article, 609 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,839 like a Lucas Raymond type, but maybe with better pariffs. 610 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,720 Although I would definitely take the points upside of Raymond 611 00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:45,240 over Kimmel at this point, but I think that the 612 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:47,839 peripherals either way should be better for Kimal if he 613 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,039 continues to on his current trajectory. And I think his 614 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,079 defensive game has been has improved a lot too, so 615 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,319 I think he will be someone who can earn a 616 00:32:57,319 --> 00:32:59,319 little bit more ice time too, which will help him 617 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,519 get up up to a little bit more could get 618 00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:04,759 those rate stats bumped up with more time on ice. 619 00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:07,720 So I definitely see Kemel as someone that you should 620 00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:10,759 be interested in, and I think that he can continue 621 00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:14,200 to improve and hopefully break into the top six at 622 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,000 some point in Nashville, but that probably won't be for 623 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,319 another year or two because they're looking pretty decent right now. 624 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, don't underestimate what this guy has done already. 625 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,200 If you think about he went to Liga and fifteen 626 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,599 points in forty three games doesn't sound like a ton 627 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,720 until you consider that he was eighteen at the time. 628 00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:38,559 In the U twenty World Juniors back in twenty one 629 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,519 twenty two, he had twelve points of seven games. He's 630 00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:44,160 had some great stuff. So forty one points in sixty 631 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,319 seven games last year for Milwaukee, he's a teenager. If 632 00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:50,440 this guy was still playing in the WHL and get 633 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,559 in a whole bunch more points than that in a 634 00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:56,680 easier offensive environment, maybe we would have a different perspective 635 00:33:57,359 --> 00:33:59,559 on him coming up. I like where this is going. 636 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,319 Nashville not having a great start to the season. One 637 00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:05,559 things that maybe there could be some shake ups and 638 00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:10,559 opportunities for guys to get spots on this active roster. 639 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,119 Although no, he's listening to thirty two Thoughts today and 640 00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,840 they were talking a lot about the center position that's 641 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,079 really killing them. I don't suppose you can move Stamcols 642 00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:22,800 back there anymore. But yeah, it's maybe an opportunity for 643 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,039 somebody who's able to show some good play and some 644 00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:29,079 good effort to get into that mix. We'll certainly see 645 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,360 Mike Kimmel's one that we've followed for a long time, Victor. 646 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,360 I think that's the ones that we have for now. 647 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,599 People should definitely check out your work at ep ringks side. 648 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:43,639 I believe you've also got some Jonathan Bergrin going on 649 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,920 there as well as some Joshua Wah. I think I 650 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,039 saw today you put up something on old Josh. There's 651 00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:53,480 great stuff continuing to come. You got any sneak previews 652 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,280 for the people listening, what might be coming up in 653 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,719 the future, or thoughts on some of these guys you've 654 00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:58,320 been taken on. 655 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely, And I take suggestions. Usually I put 656 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,440 a Twitter poll out, but also I asked the patrons 657 00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:08,239 or the listeners anyways who they want to hear about, 658 00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:09,960 and then I can do a poll to try to 659 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,039 prioritize it. Kevin Korchinski is going to be the next 660 00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:15,800 guy that comes out, and then looking at doing some 661 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,280 Olin del Wegger, Simoon and Edvnson, maybe Pavel d Orfiev, 662 00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:22,960 who has been interesting in Vegas. Tend to try to 663 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,440 do some of the bigger names and some of the 664 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,039 guys that are playing now. Calum Ritchie is someone that 665 00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:29,519 I have my eye on because he's impressing a little 666 00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:32,960 bit more than some of us thought and making an impression. 667 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,599 I try not to do too many big reactions, especially 668 00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:40,480 to guys that are currently just draft plus one and 669 00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:43,000 people are asking, oh, this guy's got eight points in 670 00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:46,119 four CHL games, and it's yeah, there's really not much 671 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,400 to talk about there until we have a lot more 672 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,679 data to see. But some of the guys that are 673 00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:54,880 maybe popping off in the NHL or arriving earlier than expected, 674 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,960 like jet Luchenko, guys like that, So certainly send me 675 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,880 your suggestions and I'll take a look doing a deep 676 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,840 dive on them. Really appreciate any input. 677 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,119 Speaker 2: Very good everybody, once again popping that discord. You never 678 00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:09,920 know where you're going to be able to make some friends, Victor, 679 00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:23,400 let's take a break, come back and clows up the show. Hey, 680 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,400 that's going to do it for today. But before I go, 681 00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:29,039 fantracks dot com is the place to play fantasy sports. 682 00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:31,320 Ten different sports to play. Hey, you got time to 683 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,039 start a basketball league? 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