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Speaker 2: I like to.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Bill.
Speaker 1: Let's say, how you doing, Bill.
Speaker 2: Hi, Alex, I'm doing great. Thanks Ni, Thank.
Speaker 1: You so much for coming on the show and sharing
your remarkable journey with all of us. I am looking
forward to getting into your near death experience and your
adventures on the other side. But before we jump into that,
what was your life like prior to having your near
death experience?
Speaker 2: It was pretty normal. I grew up here in California,
the Central Coast, and as an athlete, stuff surfer, and
found firefighting. I just fell in love with it, and
you know, that was in my teams, and then I
just kept getting more and more jobs, you know, hot
shots and engines and backcountry stuff, and got on with
Santa Barbara County Fire Department, and you know, I was
there for I don't know ten years, and that's when
I had my NDE in ninety four.
Speaker 1: Were you were you spiritual, a spiritual person or religious
person prior to the n D.
Speaker 2: I was raised Catholic, and you know that kind of
throws a bucket of water on the spirituality thing at times.
And you know, I kind of realized that everyone was
just going through the motions there on Sunday and we
were in a big house and you know, you can
you know from my life with the Forest Service and
outdoors and surfing, that's where I was connected to, you know,
the divine. That's where I found peace and spirituality. So
you know, I figured that we'll live this life and
do the best you can and there's more after it.
And somebody made all this, but you know, all the
dogma and doctrine and rituals, it's not really necessary. That's
that's what I came to.
Speaker 1: So you were so you were quote unquote spiritual at
least in the sense that you knew there was something
bigger than yourself out there, that someone made, that something
made all of this, and when we died, it doesn't
end it. Something goes on. But that was as far
as you went.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something goes on and you know, and we get
to paint the picture. And that's kind of what I felt.
Speaker 1: But so so what led up to the to your
dear death experience. What happened in that day before you
started going to the other side.
Speaker 2: I was I was working at station down in Santa Barbara,
Station eleven, and there was a fluid ppidemic going on.
You know, we had those bad flu years, and it
was it was a good one, and it was filling
up the hospitals and the emergency rooms. And we ran
on one patient and she would had really gone far.
She was circling the drain by the time we got
to her, and we jumped into action and I, uh,
you know, in with everything that we do, putting O
two on her and getting vitals. She exhaled and I inhaled,
and I took her breath straight in and I was like,
oh man, that was I could feel her hot breath
go down into my lungs. Yeah, everybody cringes, let me
think of that.
Speaker 1: Well, this is post COVID so yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we got her to the hospital and successful.
She came home in a week or something. But a
couple of days after I had my you know, got
that inoculation. I was real and it came on pretty
fast the next day and just had this racing heart
and this tanking blood pressure and I was dehydrating, and
before you knew it, I was circling the drain and
you know, I got I called for help and my
department came, and you know, a local ambulance company came
and they picked me up, got me in an ambulance,
got to my v's started because I was severely dehydrated.
And it got me to the local hospital and the
place was full of people, full kids, full of adults,
people suffering from this flu. And they put me in
a room and they were kind of overwhelmed, and they
came in and gave me something. You know, they injected
it into the you know, the IV port, the injection
port on the ivy line, and the girls, you know,
she's a great nurse, but they were flustered, and so
she pushed it in like all way in. And my
wife was there and she said, your eyes rolled back
and you just killed over straight back, and you were
gone and they couldn't get you back and they could
barely get a blood pressure. So I didn't come back,
and they put me into intensive care with you know,
a couple of ivs and head down and I just
kind of hovered there at you know, a blood pressure
that was like forty over zero for hours, and at
some point during that night two three in the morning,
something like that, I left my body and did you
want me to go right into that part or did
you Yeah?
Speaker 1: So when you no, no, that's fine. So you did
you like leave your body in the sense that you
were in the room or did you go somewhere else
right away?
Speaker 2: What I found I found myself in a star filled realm.
It was just all of these stars, these colorful orbs,
and they were I was parading through them, and it
was all good vibes and beautiful stars, you know, orbs
I guess we call them. And I was just it
was a complete ecstasy. It was complete euphoria. It felt
like I'd been let out of a hot, dark, stuffy
closet and I'd been stuck there and I was now
this huge, expanded cloud, just sailing through this this welcoming
party of stars, and I felt like somebody was pouring
honey all over my brain, all over my and it
was running down through all my nerves and it was
like this, you know, I have not been ashamed to
use this word, but it was like a cosmic orgasm
and it just kept going. It was just the standing
wave of absolutely euphoria. And I was thinking, man, that
was rough duty, that place was gnarly, this earth, and
you know, all those things, like those low emotions like
anger and jealousy and rage, those things didn't exist. It
was just pure delightful existence. And as I flew along
through all these stars, I was thinking, how in the
world did I forget who I really was? How is
it that I was absolutely convinced, immersed in this dude
that I was pretending to be this Bill Lutton and
he had this whole story, and he had his likes
and diss and he had you know this, all this stuff,
and all of it was it was like it was pretend.
It was like it was just something I was doing,
like a game, and I didn't want going back to
That was out of the question. There's no way. I
was free and I was absolutely stoked. So I flew
along for a while and then and everything was awesome,
And it's like this, The moment is constantly the same
thing of oh wow, this is so cool. Everything is
new and absolutely stoked in each moment. So I was
flying along just I could do this forever. This is awesome.
And then I landed. I landed in a place that
was solid and there was indirect lighting. There was equipment there,
there were beds, there were it was a solid place.
And right in front of me were three beings and
they were the short, little hooded guys with big smiles
on their face, and they were bouncing around and giggling,
and I was trying to sort out, well where am I? Now?
This was a complete change in you know, everything that
was you know, in a structure.
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Speaker 2: And they were looking at me and they were giggling,
and they were saying things like how was it, What
did you learn? What can you tell us? And I
was just kind of looking at him like where is it?
What is this place? And who? You guys are very
strange looking and they looked exactly like that those guys
in the movie Communion where Christopher Walking goes in and
there's you know, a lot of people when they see
that they see demons or something, but they weren't. They
were just these cool little munchkins and they were giggling
and they were happy to see me. And if you
watch that movie Communion. They're actually pretty playful, joyful guys.
They don't do anything that is really upsetting once Christopher
Walking controls his fear of the situation, once he gets
used to you know, this is something phenomenal, but it's
it's not menacing. So one of them came forward. He
looked me up and down, and he turned to the
other two and he goes, he doesn't remember us. And
they started giggling uproariously, bouncing around and stuff, and I
was like, guys, I kind of remember you, but you know,
this is very unusual here. And then there was this
other guy and he was in the background at first.
He was this tall, wispy guy, and he had this like,
you know, I've called him like a trimmed up gumby
and like a walking stick. And he had this huge
smile on his face. His eyes were bright, and he
was absolutely stoked. You could feel the love coming off
of him towards me. And he had this like weird
spinning energy like you were you know, like if you
took a glass of water and spun it and then
looked at the you know, the vortex there, the spinning,
That's what he looked like. And it looked like I
was when he came forward, it was like I was
looking at somebody underwater, and you know, the top part
would move first and then the other parts would sort
of catch up, and then he'd become a hole again.
And he kept moving, and as he came closer, I
just felt my chest just expanding and my throat tightening,
and I felt like I was going to break down
in uncontrollable crying from love. There was so much love
coming from this being that it was paralyzing. It was overwhelming.
And you know, we went back and forth with some
different small talk stuff, and every time I said anything,
he just chuckled. He just would crack up, like he
was looking at a little toddler, and he was amused
by his little toddler. And after a while, you know,
the little guys were just giggling, and he was just
chuckling at everything. And I said, you know, whether it's
not you know, this isn't very organized. There's not much
going on. Do we do we go and make a
you know, do a review of my life? Is that?
What's next? Do you guys want to get started with that?
And the tall whisky guy just cracked up cracked up.
He was just chuckling, and he thought that was hysterical
that this little toddler was, you know, trying to take over.
But he said, but he said, sure, sure, let's do that.
How do you want to start? And so I told
a few stories about, you know, jobs that my wife
and I got offered a job on the off the
coast to California on this island, and I took a
fire job. But she really wanted that, and she said,
you know, when are we going to get a chance
to live on an island by ourselves? And you know
what I was, you know, twenty twenty two something, said,
I'm not going to uh do well alone on an
island at this age, and I need I need action,
I need you know, I need to be around fire guys.
So but yeah, but now that I'm almost seventy, I
look back and I say, I wish I had done
that for her, because she wanted it, and she's pretty cool.
So I talked for a while. I told a couple
of different things. Nobody was listening. They weren't paying attention.
They were doing the same thing, you know, they were
doing these playful, joyful things with each other. And a
lot of chuckling and giggling, and then he just turns
to me and he goes, Okay, that's enough time to
go back. And that floored me that I was shocked
at that, and I was like, go back. I go
no way, I cannot go back there. That you don't understand.
That place is rough duty And he's like, no, you
got to go back. You got things to do, and
and you're going back. And as he came forward, you know,
I pleaded. I told him I was almost forty. What
good am I? You know, my life's pretty much over there.
I don't know, there's not much I can do after forty,
you know. And he laughed at that, just like you,
and I said some other things. I said, hey, I
got lots of friends, lots of bros. But the only
people that are really going to get stung by me
not coming back is my wife and my parents. But
they are strong people. They will persevere. And he thought
that was funny, and he said, okay, now you're going back,
and he came forward and the place just started to
break up. It started to de material. He evaporated in
front of me, and the room came apart, and I
dropped in frequency, and I dropped away and I was
on my way to another channel, another dimension, another stop.
And it was a very it was a drop in frequency.
It didn't feel good as I was moving back to
this place and I got close to my body and
it was a dark place. It was lonely, it was dismal,
and he didn't want to be there. And you know,
we talked about you know, heaven and in between place
and earth and then another place, and you know from
what from that experience, you know, I believe that other
place is right close to where we are here in
the physical and you know, I think that's part of
our thing where we need to navigate that successfully when
we come out of our bodies. You know, that whole
thing about the valley of the Shadow of Death without fear.
We have to move through that into the higher planes.
But anyway, I was back in my body and I
was I woke up a few times, four or five
in the morning, and I was looking at the equipment
and it was the vital signs that things weren't improving
with each round, and you know, they take your vitals
and I could stay awake. After a while. It was
still dark out and I was looking around, and the
nurse came by and she was shocked. She's like, you're awake,
and I'm like, yes, I am. I need to talk
to you. And she said, well, I need to go
tell a doctor. We've been worried all night. We didn't
know what was going on with you, you know, what was
where this was going. And I said, okay, you can
go get the doctor, but first, what am I doing
back here? You know? I was pissed and I wanted
to verbalize that I guess and I said, I was home.
I was home with my best bros. I was back
where I belong. I had died, I had bought the farm.
I was sure of it. And she had her hands
on my shoulders and she was saying, it's just old nurse,
you know, seen it all. And she goes, honey, you've
been in escrow and you fell out of escrow and
now you're back with us, and you're going to have
to get your head around that, you know. And she
said it very you know, genuinely. She sort of spoke
to my soul. And I never forgot that because I
had just come back from this experience and you know,
a lot of of your guests will tell you that
it's devastating, and you know, they can go into depressions
for months and years, and you know, addiction can come
with that. We are so cut off from what we
really are here in you know, in this illusionary, this journey.
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Speaker 2: But you know, and then everybody came by, and I
was just lah bla blah blah blah blah blah blah.
The big guy, the tall guy, the little guys, you know,
and they were my best friends, and it was like
I just got off a roller coaster and they want
to know what it was about. And and you know,
you see disappointment in your family's faces, and you know,
the doctor tells you, we're outright, you're crazy. And so
I was home for a few days and then recovering,
and then I got back to work and the guys
all wanted to know. It's like, hey, dude, something happened
to you. Everyone's talking about it. And I'm like, well, yeah,
well I'll tell you what happened. And I didn't leave
anything out. And you know, the the very religious guys,
whatever their religion, you know, they didn't want to hear
much more of the story once I got to the
little short, little guys because it wasn't fitting there robes
and harps and beards and and I always thought that
was really interesting because they were they were you know,
they are such good people, but they wanted nothing to
do with this sort of unusual story. And so I
told the story for a while, and then the word
kind of leaked down from the office, Hey, you better
stop telling that story, because you know, we don't have
coop riding our fire engines. And that made sense, and
I'm like, yeah, I get it, and so I zipped it,
and I dummied up for about fifteen years. But you know,
it was my thing. It was absolutely real, and whenever
I was in a bookstore, I would, you know, tiptoe
into the wu Wu section and see if I could
find some answers. The totally books were excellent. And you
know when DMT the Spirit Molecule, when I read that,
that was you know, that was a shocker because and
that was after retirement about twenty eleven. That was a
shocker because you know, his volunteers. Rick Straussman's work at
the New Mexico University with you know, injecting his his
volunteers with d MT and then recording where they go,
what they experience. They were seeing the same thing. They
were going to a very clinical place like a facility
and seeing these short, little playful guys and a taller
guy that's in charge, seemed to be in charge, but
wasn't an authoritarian at all. And you know, a lot
of these there's a lot of videos out there on
my story, and these kids that smoke d MT, they'll
write and say, you just explained my d MT breakthrough
story to the letter. And that's an interesting thing when
you look at Strausman's book and you know what these
kids that are smoking d MT and getting this powerful,
you know that the soul is rocketed into another, you know,
another dimension, another realm. And they say it's very playful.
And the guys are sometimes they hear them, they hear
things like you're doing it wrong. You're not you know,
you're not supposed to take this shortcut. But so yeah,
well let.
Speaker 1: Me ask you, Let me ask you. Let me ask
you this real quick, all right. So when you were
with with the little guys and the tall, thin guy,
you said, do you want a life review. How did
you understand that concept? Had you'd heard that concept before
or did you just literally do want me to just
tell you my life story?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I had that concept in my conscious thoughts and
and it came forward, so.
Speaker 1: So it just popped in. It popped into your consciousness
at that moment.
Speaker 2: No, I I have heard it. Uh, I had heard it,
you know, Like I said, I would visit the woo
wus section in the bookstore and stuff. So I here.
Speaker 1: Therefore, before before the near death experience or after the
near death experience, I.
Speaker 2: Was always kind of that way. Okay, after it became
more of a you know, this is this is real.
These people aren't wasting their time with these you know,
accounts and stuff. It's a real thing. We really don't
know what we are right and we'll.
Speaker 1: Bill let me ask you because I mean, as you know,
I've I've spoken to over one hundred near death experiencers
at this point. You're the first who has given me
the details that you've given me. With the little guys
and the tall guy, I've heard before, it's versions of him.
I never heard the version of the little guy before,
which these these little guys who obviously look different than humans. Uh,
they look you know, weird, considering, you know, comparting to
us and our perception. So you're the first I've heard
that from. But what I find interesting is that people
going through them their account is similar to your account,
so it seems and I've done a lot of research
in psychedelics, and it's almost like a shortcut. The DMT
is a shortcut to go to where you went to.
You did it the hard way. You had to die
essentially to get there. But it's it's really fascinating how
how the your trip went. And I call it a
trip because it wasn't It wasn't a rough exit or
a rough entrance back. You just kind of like almost
was very like I'm out, I'm back in. I don't
want to be here. It's it's pretty fascinating. Is there
any other details of the actual experience that you can
give us? Did was there? What did the room look like?
What did you look like? Did you look at yourself?
Anything like that.
Speaker 2: I did not look at myself. I just assumed I
was me, But I don't know what they were looking at.
They definitely were looking at something. And this whole thing
with you know, having eyes and speaking I'm not so
sure anybody was speaking anything. It was you know, people
say it's all telepathy, it's all absolute, honest, open communication.
So there wasn't really a you know, gathering your thoughts
before you spoke. It just came out. If you thought it,
you know, they heard it type of thing. So as
far as details, you know, there's so I'll just I'll
say this. I believe that my near death experience was
a kind of a tour. It was uh, leaving the
earth realm and kind of shooting through that heavenly realm
and getting a feel for what we really are, these
incredible beings, infinite eternal beings, incredibly powerful, incredibly wise and kind.
And then there was a you know, I left that
heavenly realm, that heavenly dimension, and I was at this
in between place. And if you see the movie Astral City,
and it's a story of this guy in Brazil who
was a famous medium, and he told this whole story
of these of this astral city where we you know,
there's a clinic, there's a rehab place. Everything is emotional trauma.
Once we leave this place, that's what we're carrying. We're
carrying feelings, you know, and the negative feelings need to
be cleansed and healed. And so you'll go to this
this clinic and then you'll go back out into the city.
And you know, John Davis has a his NDE. He
talks about this tour of the city with these libraries
and you know, and I had a medium contact me
and she goes, oh, I know exactly where you were.
There steps lead down to this grassy area and then
you can go out into the city and she's like,
I'm there all the time. So she knows about this
astral plane and you know, it seems to be a
recurring thing. And you know, life is pretty good there
and it sounds like we're there, we're there to learn
about this place. You know, there's all these different like
John Davis talks about, there's all these different aspects of learning.
And then we come into lives and we forget absolutely
everything about who we are and where we came from.
And we have these lives and we learn from them,
and then we go back.
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Speaker 2: Bill.
Speaker 1: Why do you think this happened to you?
Speaker 2: I think I think you know when he said you
have to go back. You have things to do and
they're important. And I think it's going on right now.
You know, these last year and a half, these podcasts
have gone crazy. You know, the number of people calling
me that I want to talk to me and stuff.
You know, I was telling my story. I got mixed
up with the ions groups and they were incredibly helpful
and I'd go around and tell my story at their
meetings all over the place, and that was a very
therapeutic for me. And then and then this whole podcast
thing came out of COVID and all of a sudden,
people are interested in nd It's like taking off like wildfire.
And you know, I ask all you guys. I don't
think I asked you before we started, but I ask
everyone that I talked to what brought you to do
these interviews and ask people about NDEs and every one
of them says, well, it's just really important thing. I
need to do it. You know, it's coming from somewhere
deep inside me. And you know that's that's the divine
hand in our earthplane, you know, sort of guiding the
next step. You know, we all feel we're out of
crossroads helping humanity with you know the changes that are
coming in the coming centuries, and there is an awakening,
there is you know, this knowledge of what we really
are is coming back into the light slowly.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: That's what I think. So so how did you get interested?
Speaker 1: It's a long story, but the short version of it
is that the reason I do the work is because
my own personal curiosity on not just near death experiences,
but the totality, the totality of all aspects of spirituality
and of our spiritual growth. So that's why I talk
to channelers and mediums and psychics and quantum physicists and
you know, ancient civilization experts and all these different realms
about all lead to the same thing. They all cross pollinate,
and I think it's something that first interests me. But
also I believe that it creates a tremendous amount of
peace and comfort to a lot of people around the world.
And that's one of the main reasons I do this.
When I started, it was curiosity, and I was like, hey,
maybe five people will listen, maybe ten people will listen.
Who knows, And now we're in the millions and growing,
and you're like, oh, this work is important, and hear
you hear things back from people, You're like, you're changing
my life. You know, I was atheist, Now I'm not.
It's part of what I'm supposed to be doing here
for my personal journey. It is my purpose to do
it here, to be this forum that I'm creating for
people like yourself to come in and not only reach
a few hundred people, but to reach millions of people
who are very like minded and are curious about all
of this. So that's the main reason I'm doing it.
And I agree with everything you're saying as far as
there is an awakening, we are being prepared for something
in the future. And I think we're all kind of decompressing,
like we've been down the in the trench underwater and
we're slowly coming up, Like if you go too fast,
we're going to get the bends. So this is this
is the process of this awakening. And five years ago
this show wouldn't do as well as it is doing now.
Ten years ago would have barely had a crawl, and
let's not even say farther back. So there's a timing
thing as well. You know, I started the show two
years ago right in the right towards the tail end
of COVID, you know, kind of like a little bit over.
We were over halfway through with COVID when this started,
and it's it's you know, it's changed my life, and
I think it's changed the lives of millions of people
around the world. So that's the short answer. The long
answer is much longer. So Bill, let me ask you.
Let me ask you something. Bill, you know a lot
of people who watch these or hear about these, you know,
by the way you stole the told the story. Man,
it sounds like a dream. I'm gonna be Devil's advocate
here for a second. Good man, it just sounds like
a dream. You went, you cocked out, it concked open.
You had this really lucid dream, and you think you
went to the other side. And I mean, it just
sounds like a really lucid dream. What would you say
to someone saying that to you?
Speaker 2: Well, I will say it to you because you just
told me all about peace and comfort that you're bringing
uh to millions, and the other side is nothing but
love and kindness and patience and sweetness and all those
rough emotions. They're here, but they don't go with us.
So that other side if you're ready to look, if
you're ready to say, you know what's going on here
and and how can I do better? Then you'll start seeing, uh,
you know, the messages from guys like you and there
you know, I know you're from the film industry. There,
these messages are in the film industry. Oh yeah, if you,
if your audience watches that movie astral City, you'll be
shocked at the parallels. You know, there's a heavenly realm,
there's an in between, there's an earth realm, there's a
there's a other place, and they're they're all shown very
clearly in that movie. And my you're gonna love this.
My story. I've just realized in the last couple of
years that you know, in The Wizard of Oz, Dorothy
lives in a black, white world, kind of drab, not
a lot going on, some mean people, you know, harming
animals and things. And she gets caught up in the twister.
She goes up in the cabin. Something happens, the window
comes off, hits her in the head and she falls
on the bed and she peels away, you know, this
lighter version of her peels away and she's in a
near death experience and when the cabin lands, she opens
the door and there's these beautiful, giant colored flowers and
these beautiful, you know greens. It's everything's in full color.
And there are these giggling munchkins that are hiding around
in all this color and all this beauty, and they
come forward to her in groups of three, you know,
with the Lollipop Guild, and those are my favorite. And
you know, they had that same sort of playful, joyful
thing that the guys I saw. That was the feeling
I got, you know, And then the little dancers and
the politicians. And when she's ready, Glinda comes. Glinda shows up,
arrives in a beautiful or of colors, and she's a
has a beautiful soul, and you know, is interacting sweetly
with Dorothy and gets her on the road, gets her
on her journey. And Linda always shows up when Dorothy
gets into trouble with the witch or whatever, Glinda shows
up along the way. And Dorothy gets these these three
characters that she that travel with her, the straw man
looking for a brain, and the tin man looking for
a heart, and the lion looking for courage. And the
story I get is that the story that comes clearly
to me is that when we learn to use our
right brain and reconnect with the divine of sweetness and kindness,
you know, live our life from that divine mind and
make every decision from the intelligence of the heart, and
to move forward without fear, with courage, then we get
to go home. And there's no place like home.
Speaker 1: And the powers and the powers always within you. She
always had the power to go home whenever she wanted.
Speaker 2: To, Right on, Alex Isn't that awesome?
Speaker 1: That is That's a really great analogy for that movie.
And you know, I always, I always find it fascinating.
Is this one of my I love talking about this subject
is media in general, stories, movie, these books, they show
up and move humanity forward in a way. So when H. G.
Wells started doing his books, the concepts that he talked
about in those books which did not exist prior to him.
You know, sixty years later, we're on the moon, you know,
we have a space program, we have other things like that,
all of these because they were inspired by those stories.
How many scientists and quantum physicists have we been inspired
by Star Wars or Star Trek or the matrix will
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now back to the show or these kind of films
that really open up our our mind, Like a movie
like The Matrix could not have come out in nineteen
thirty nine when Miservos came out, not only for the
technical limit, but the story would have been just so
beyond anybody's comprehension. But I mean, HG. Wells was pretty
much beyond anybody's comprehension when it came out. But when
the right time is right, these stories find their way
into the zeitgeist. And now more than now, how I
guess the other day, say, Marvel's doing a great job
with the multiverse. The idea of the multiverse, multiple dirensions,
parallel realities, that's in the zeitgeist. Now these are con like,
you know, very common phrases which before were talked.
Speaker 2: Only by.
Speaker 1: You know, dark cornered quantum physicists in a party somewhere
who the other quantum physicists looked at like, oh god,
he's talking about a multiverse again kind of kind of stuff.
So it's pretty it's pretty fascinating how this is all
starting to unravel and shows like these ideas are being.
Speaker 3: Shown to millions now, Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you went
that full circle because it comes all the way back
to right now what we're seeing with the podcasts and
that inspiration. Uh, you know, Hollywood isn't some dark boogeyman
that's putting these movies out that you know, this inspiration
is coming I think from a divine source and just
like you deciding, Hey, I'm going to put together this
whole thing with this podcast, and this is going to
be the format. You know, hgu Well said, you know,
I'm going to write this book and this is where
it's going to go, and it you know, for your guests,
you know that there is a divine angels and guides
and ancestors. They're all around us all the time, and
we're being nudged and everything is in one hands. And
like you said, the next goal is us.
Speaker 2: Understanding that there are you know, these incredible dimensions. They're
just a frequency away and they're all around us and
we're not alone in the universe like you know, the
mainstream says. Quite the contrary, It's an incredible universe full
of you know, diverse life.
Speaker 1: You when you kind of came out of your near
death experience, when you came out of where you were six.
You know, you became better. It sounded like the moment
you came out, you started talking about this is what
you said. You told anybody who would listen. You went
back and told the boys everybody, Hey, this is what happened.
So you weren't ever quote unquote in this in the closet.
The ND closet is what I like to call it.
You came out really quickly, but then you got shoved
back in to the closet for fifteen years because your
surrounding world maybe some accepted it, many didn't. And if
you were going to keep your job, you needed to
shut your hole or else it just wasn't gonna happen.
And I you know what, when I heard that, I
was like, there's a bunch of you know Burley, you
know bar in early burly firefighters. You know, a lot
of testosterone in the room. I can't be hearing about
short little guys. You know that's not my I can't.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: I get it. But when you got kind of pushed
back into that closet, and it sounds like it was
self imposed, you shut the door and you were there
for fifteen years, quietly dealing with this, How did you
deal with it psychologically? Because there's so many near death
experiences I speak to who suffered so much by not
being able to share their stories. And then what was
it that got you out of that closet?
Speaker 2: Well, I think these are great, great questions. I think
think that deep down inside, I wasn't taking Bill seriously
anymore because I was I'd seen life without him and
I was still me, and you know, I wasn't too
proud of a lot of parts of him, and I
definitely didn't like the whole human being thing, the whole
you know, we're in constant judgment. We have all these
biases and we got to be right, and you know,
all that stuff dropped away. And so, yeah, I didn't
take Bill too seriously, and I I stopped. I didn't
react to the situation here that Yeah, the n D
years are kooks, you know, And I was at the
top of the cook pile with my story and so
I left it alone. And you know, thankfully it came,
you know, with Strausman's book and some of the things
I did. It came roaring back and and here we
are today.
Speaker 1: So what was there was there a catalyst for you
to say, I need to start telling my story. What
was the catalyst for that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was a happy retiree of riding
bikes and playing in bands and running trails with my dogs,
and all of a sudden the Straussman video showed up.
And then I bought the book. And when I got
to chapter thirteen and fourteen and saw those little guys
described and the feelings that his volunteers had for these guys,
I put the book down and I walked around for
a week, going, what is going on in this place?
You know, I had my funny little thing that happened,
but he can reproduce this with this DMT. He's reproducing
you know, they're going to this facility, they're seeing these beings.
And I remember, after I read the book a couple
of times, I sat down and I go, this is
the most significant book that's probably been written in the
last ten thousand years, because it I think you said
earlier that you know there is a doorway and people
can go through it. I don't recommend it because you know,
I've done the ayahuasca thing, and it's you know, that
can be a brutalizing night because you're trying to escape
this earthly selfish opinion, and you know it may take
hours for you to surrender to the softer voice that
that other you that's waiting for you to figure him out.
Speaker 1: It sounds from my experience with from studying speaking to
people who've taken psychedelics. I've never partaken, but from what
I understand, it can be a very violent journey from
this point to the other. Whereas when I've spoken to
yogi's and gurus and swamis from India or from other parts,
the way they present it is like, well, if you
do it this way, it's a very you don't get
the bends. It's a very slow You're decompressing over years
to be able to Then once you get to where
you're going jump in or out whenever you want. That's
when you start becoming Your vibration gets higher, your frequency
gets higher. But these psychedelics they'll run you through. But
it's again, I've said this before in the show, and
I'll say it against one of the great quotes from
uh At the Maharishi, who said, what do you think
about these kind of Because it was a sixties so
you know, everything was going around. The psychedelics psilocybin and
all that stuff, acid and stuff, and he's like, well,
taking acid or psilocybin is kind of like making a
sledgehammer to a wall to get the sunlight to come in,
where meditation is placing a window in that wall. And
I was like that that sounds that sounds right because
it's and what you're saying too, it's like it's it
is pretty violent, and you're kind of like almost being yanked,
like you're you're doing something someone else. Another Yogi told
me is like you're going into a room that you
weren't invited into. That's right, right, It's like you were
you weren't. You were invited into it because you died
and came back, which also, to be fair, can be
a violent situation. I've had many on the show, and
you said something really interesting.
Speaker 2: You said that you were on the top of the kookpile.
Speaker 1: To be fair, Bill, your story is a little bit
more out, if it's even possible, a little bit more
outside the norm of a near death experience that I've
I mean, I again spoken to over on now. I mean,
Jesus didn't show up. You know, you didn't have a
traditional life review. But the thing that I find fascinating
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and now back to the show. Is that your experience
and every near death experience that I've had that I've
spoken to one point or another all say something similar.
There's nothing but love, there's nothing but peace. The characters
might change in that story, but that is always the
over and they all come back different, they all come
back changed. And yeah, there are some that go through
a hellish experience and they later tell me that like
I had to because I was Catholic. I had to
go through that because I felt that I needed to
go through that in order to find the pearly Gates.
Speaker 2: It's it.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to kind of put that out there
for people because your story is like these little guys.
I'm like, okay, great, who are these little guys? What's
going on? I've never heard of them, but yet everything
sounds there's a familiarity to it all from from my experience.
From this point of view, sir.
Speaker 2: That's cool. That's cool to hear. You're the man.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you, how did your family deal
with this? I mean, because there's one thing that stopped
telling you Bros, but when you're you know, like your wife,
your parents, you know, and people really close to you.
Was it something that was just not talked about?
Speaker 2: Or what my family wasn't you know, my mom and dad,
sisters and stuff. They that's who wasn't going to be
talked about. They're all wonderful people and stuff. But there
was nowhere to go with it. And my wife over
the years, like you know, I would wake up giggling
and talking in some nonsensical language and and laughing, and
she would go, what is going on with you with
with this? You know, you're talking to somebody and I'm like,
there's like these guys. I really can't see them, but
they're right nearby, and you know, in that sweet spot
of sleeping and dreaming and waking, that connection to the divine,
these guys are around. And so she knew something was real.
And you know, I really didn't run off the rails
too many times in our fifty years together, so she
knew that this was a real thing that was part
of me. And you know, every back in the day,
every few years, in order to help out, I would
like one time we she had this robe and I said,
that robe, you look exactly with that light. You know,
you're silhouetted. You look exactly like those guys. And so
we set it up there was a light curtain, and
then so I took three pictures of her and you know,
and we put them all together, and one of them
is turning to the other two and I'm like, that's
that's what I saw, you know. And this was twenty
years ago or more, and so that picture hung around
for a long time, and you know, she's been supportive, cooperative,
entertained by it.
Speaker 1: Do you do you still? Do you dream about them
or do you meditate? Or do you see them other?
Like if you're if you do meditate, do you see
them in the meditations? Do you dream? And did they
come back and talk to you? How do you do
you still have communications with them?
Speaker 2: Not with them specifically, but you know this meditation thing,
well you were talking about the power of that that
cannot be overstated. If you sit quietly in nature and
still yourself and quiet your mind, you know, plus raise
your frequency with how you eat and how you think,
and that veil can disappear for everyone. We can move
into those other realms or experience them. And when I
you know, I sit in the recliner over there. You know,
I'm old, guys, so I need a couple of naps
a day and just let go. And you know, the
vibrations start. You know, my right side of my head
starts to vibrate and tingle, and then this area gets
very heavy and sleepy, and uh, you know, and then
this these vibrations start, and you know, you start to
move out seemingly out of your body or inward or something.
But there's lots of colors around and then uh, I
push through that and then you can go to the grids,
and then they go past the grids, and then there
are these light forms you know that are in the room.
These you know, energetic beings of light, our ancestors, our friends,
they're all they're around all of us all the time.
And if you quiet the beast adequately, you can, you know,
you can reconnect with who you really are.
Speaker 1: You said something interesting, and I'd love for you to
just to tell me what you're doing in that sense
when you're saying, raise your vibration, raise your frequency with meditation,
which I've experienced that myself in my own meditation practice.
But you said something, eat the right foods to raise
your vibration as well. I also have experienced that as well.
Can you explain to the audience what you've been doing
and what kind of foods, because I'll tack on afterwards,
but I want to hear your point of view of
what foods and things you're doing to kind of raise
your vibration and get closer to this stuff that we're
talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when in twenty eleven, twenty twelve, you asked me
earlier about what was going on, But I started going
to Costa Rica, just getting on a plane and going
to Costa Rica and driving around, and it went on
for three or four years. I'd get away for a
couple of weeks or a few months, and the roads
turned into dirt, roads turned into trails, and I started
being around people who lived in villages communes, and they
did a lot of stuff with silence. It was part
of the village, and intension.
Speaker 1: Was part of the village.
Speaker 2: The food was all food that's full of light, you know,
greens and vegetables and fruits. And the water was water
that fell to the earth and ran along Mother Earth's
magnetic love and became structured water. And that's a huge
part of it. Because we're mostly water to drink, that
structured water. And when you start following those things, I
noticed with my trips. One of the trips, something opened
and I started seeing this energy climbing the walls, this
bluish light, and it was on it like a five
second repeat cycle. And I'd look in the sky and
i'd see like the Aurora boreals, I'd see purple and
green swirling powerful energy. And you know that's when you
watch murmurations of birds and schooling fish and the experts
can't tell you what are they What are they doing?
How are they all making the same move? Well, they're
they're tied into that energy that's around all of us,
this powerful energy. It's purple and green with the Aurora
of orealis. If you look at the chakras, that's you know,
that is divine love. That is divine love coming down
and organizing. Play the movie that we're in these gravitational waves.
It's all real. But yeah, that opened. I started seeing
people's faces would change, past lives would come up, animated
characters talking, smiling. You know, this shocked everybody down in
that in that village, because how can this fireman who
just showed up to this lifestyle have these amazing experiences.
But you know, again, I think that was just my
path and somehow I honored it and I found my
way to these to these experiences. And it had everything
to do with and a lot of things like negative emotions,
like the guy that cuts you off on the roadway,
just let him go. Let him go, he got enough troubles.
And you know, the lady that bumps you with the
shopping cart or something, just back off and say, you know, hello, madam,
I hope you have a nice day and whatever. It's
just separate yourself from those low emotions that we have
here and you'll start returning to your real self. Ye,
you can live a heaven on earth life. And you know,
the cundalini starts to move and then everything changes.
Speaker 1: And that's a whole other podcast for a whole other
day when we start talking about cundalini energy and all
of that there. I've spoken about it many times. If
anyone's curious about it, they could just go into the
archives and look for the word kundalini, because that is
a part of this process.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as you're as you're elevating and elevating your vibration
to a higher frequency. Your Kundalini energy starts to open
up more and more and more, and we'll be right
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to the show. And yeah, you know, eating foods that
are alive, vibrant, those things. I mean, you listen to
the Yogi's. You know they're not eating McDonald's. You know,
generally speaking, they're not eating that kind of food. They're
eating things that are alive and fresh. And it helps
with because what you put into your body also has
an energetic signature to it. So if you're eating things
that are low energy, energy drops when you things are hi,
it drops us. Well, when I used to eat a
nice burger at in and out, it tasted good going in,
and that's so much. About twenty minutes thirty minutes later,
I was just like, you feel.
Speaker 2: That's true, that's that's me too. It's almost like a
uh rejection.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, your body is just like I gotta process
all of it, and you just get so tired and
you're just like but then you eat something that's you know,
a little bit more alive, and you you're bouncing, you're
bouncing and you're jumping and your and your energy level
is different.
Speaker 1: So you know everything is energy. Uh, no, no question,
everything is energy, everything is frequency. And the more I
talk to people like yourself and you know, quantum physicists
from Yale and Harvard and Oxford and all over the
world and start talking about these kind of ideas, it's
just so fascinating how the old you know, ancient texts
and the new you know, quantum physics and those kind
of those kind of principles are starting to match up.
And we're having the open conversations about it in public
for anybody in the world to watch whenever they want.
So it is it's a really interesting time to be
a live bill, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It is that that ancient knowledge is
coming back. And you know that the Conference on Procession
and Ancient Knowledge that's next week down in Palm Springs,
that's a good one. I mean, Graham Hancock will be
there and Robert Grant. These these guys, if you're if
you're paying attention, you know, if if you're drawn to them,
you can get a lot of answers about you know,
how things are going here and this whole cycle of
how we're gonna how we're climbing back to a golden
age and you know there's nothing to be fearful of
it all agreed.
Speaker 1: Agreed. Now I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you a few questions,
ask all my guests, what is your definition of living
a fulfilled life?
Speaker 2: A fulfilled life is for me is to look upon
all life, all others as the divine being that they
really are are, that they're having this earthly experiencing experience.
We're all having it together. And two, be kind to
somebody else's experience. Help where you can. And you know
I did it with my whole life with the firefighter thing,
the service to others, and I mean you just life
is just a blast when you're in service to others
and you have this reverence and respect for all life forms,
you know, trees and rocks, even this is this, This
is a beautiful gift. And yeah, the human thing is
a it's a it's kind of a big false narrative.
You know that we got to get the job and
the girl in the car and it's a false narrative.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it is it's a video game. But
you can't you can't take seriously that you're Mario and
there's really no Donkey Kong coming after you. Now, if
you had a chance to go back in time and
talk to little Bill, what advice would you give him?
Speaker 2: Keep going strong, bro? You know, I think that I
you have to look and say that the path was
you know, divinely scripted. You know when you watch that
talking about movies, you watch that movie the Adjustment Bureau,
that we have a path and you know we may
not intersect with a big challenge, but it'll come again.
So I would, you know, be tempted to tell little Bill, hey,
you got there's something going on with you. And near
death experience is an invitation, and it's an invitation to
a soul that has, you know, I don't know, picked
up some mile, it's picked up some energy that's positive.
And so I'd be tempted to tell a little Bill,
hey you got something. There's something special about you. Get
a little more serious about the meditation and these people
that sit quietly and look at the world differently and
slow down, because you know, for thirty years I was
doing iron Man's and you know all the training that
you know, I was constantly churning swimming at five am
and running at lunch and bicycling after work, and I
was constantly churning. And I had my chart read once
and it said, you have this incredible amount of cosmic
energy in your chart. You've got like this cosmic triangle.
And I said, well, that explains why, you know, I'm
sixty five years old and I'm running for an hour
and a half when most of my friends are like, dude,
i can't even get out of the recliner. And so, yeah,
that energy was there, but I don't know, maybe Little
Bill could have directed it towards things like you know,
you looked into early in life.
Speaker 1: Now, how do you define God or source source energy?
Speaker 2: You know, I think that big ball of fire in
the sky is a lot closer to source than we've
been led to believe. You know, there's a book, The
Real History of the World, and he says that that
big ball of that the sun and the sky is
really a doorway. It's a portal back to where we
really come from. And it, you know, it comes by,
it passes by every day, and the plants grow and
we get wood from it, and we can stay warm
while it's not here, and you know, everything goes back
when we talk about source, everything goes back to that
big ball of fire in the sky, and without it,
everything ceases here. So yeah, it's that, and it's all
those other things. It's it's just this expanded that we're
all part of.
Speaker 1: And what is the ultimate purpose of life?
Speaker 2: The ultimate purpose of life is to be kind and
to help others. And when your parents get old, you know,
drop everything you want to do even though you're young
and healthy, and be there for them. Most of us, don't.
You know, My mom went through this place and I
was the only There was eighty people in there, and
I was the only one that was there every day.
They come on the weekends or days and stuff. But
you know that walk your ancestors home.
Speaker 1: Beautiful. That's beautiful, beautiful. And where can people find out
more about you and the work that you're doing in
the world.
Speaker 2: I'm not really out there. They can email me, that's
you know. I'm b Letson fifty six at gmail dot com.
But I don't have a website or anything like that.
Speaker 1: So you're not selling a book is Everyone always says, oh,
they're just doing this to sell books. You're not doing
that to sell books. So not that you get not
that you get rich by selling books, by the way,
I don't know, but no, you don't.
Speaker 2: You don't, and I and you know, we're programmed to
believe that that we are. You know that is something
has value, then it has monetary value, and if you
sell a lot of it, then you're a best seller.
And now you're you have more value and important. And
that's I stay away from it. I stay away from
any bucks coming my way. And you know, Jesus, there's
only one time Jesus got pissed off and he went
back to Jerusalem. Jerusalem with his followers went into the
temple and there was all this stuff, people selling things,
and he flipped out. He turned the tables over, and
you know, he lost his cool because there was money
changers in the temple. And you know, we're we're not
supposed to be doing this. This is this, This life
here on earth is a temporary gig. It's over in
a few hearts. It's over in a few heart beats.
You know, I was fifteen two weeks ago on.
Speaker 1: Me Too, Brother, Me too. I was just sitting down
watching Saturday morning cartoons just yesterday. So I completely understand
what you said. And you have any party messages for
the audience. Bill, We'll be right back after a word
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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, the the NDE thing is popular right now.
And you know, we're all celebrities apparently, and but we're
really not uh special, We're not. There's nothing special or
unique about us. We just had an NDE and we
somehow remembered it. And you know, the and the so
that the NDE and the drinking the ayahuasca and the
deep trans like meditation, these things can take you out
of the illusion of this world and back to who
you really are. INDE is kind of out of the question,
and the ayahuasca that's sort of a forced NDE, to
be honest with you, and you know that leaves the
meditation is sit quietly and take care of your body,
and you can reconnect with who we really are. Bill.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on the show and sharing your
amazing story and wisdom that you've picked up along the
way in this life. So I appreciate you, my friend.
Thank you again so much.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you. Alex, thanks very much.
Speaker 1: Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today.
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