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Speaker 2: I like to.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Bill.

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Speaker 1: Let's say, how you doing, Bill.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Alex, I'm doing great. Thanks Ni, Thank.

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Speaker 1: You so much for coming on the show and sharing

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your remarkable journey with all of us. I am looking

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forward to getting into your near death experience and your

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adventures on the other side. But before we jump into that,

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what was your life like prior to having your near

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death experience?

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Speaker 2: It was pretty normal. I grew up here in California,

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the Central Coast, and as an athlete, stuff surfer, and

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found firefighting. I just fell in love with it, and

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you know, that was in my teams, and then I

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just kept getting more and more jobs, you know, hot

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shots and engines and backcountry stuff, and got on with

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Santa Barbara County Fire Department, and you know, I was

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there for I don't know ten years, and that's when

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I had my NDE in ninety four.

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Speaker 1: Were you were you spiritual, a spiritual person or religious

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person prior to the n D.

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Speaker 2: I was raised Catholic, and you know that kind of

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throws a bucket of water on the spirituality thing at times.

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And you know, I kind of realized that everyone was

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just going through the motions there on Sunday and we

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were in a big house and you know, you can

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you know from my life with the Forest Service and

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outdoors and surfing, that's where I was connected to, you know,

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the divine. That's where I found peace and spirituality. So

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you know, I figured that we'll live this life and

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do the best you can and there's more after it.

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And somebody made all this, but you know, all the

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dogma and doctrine and rituals, it's not really necessary. That's

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that's what I came to.

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Speaker 1: So you were so you were quote unquote spiritual at

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least in the sense that you knew there was something

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bigger than yourself out there, that someone made, that something

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made all of this, and when we died, it doesn't

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end it. Something goes on. But that was as far

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as you went.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something goes on and you know, and we get

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to paint the picture. And that's kind of what I felt.

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Speaker 1: But so so what led up to the to your

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dear death experience. What happened in that day before you

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started going to the other side.

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Speaker 2: I was I was working at station down in Santa Barbara,

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Station eleven, and there was a fluid ppidemic going on.

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You know, we had those bad flu years, and it

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was it was a good one, and it was filling

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up the hospitals and the emergency rooms. And we ran

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on one patient and she would had really gone far.

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to her, and we jumped into action and I, uh,

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you know, in with everything that we do, putting O

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two on her and getting vitals. She exhaled and I inhaled,

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and I took her breath straight in and I was like,

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oh man, that was I could feel her hot breath

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go down into my lungs. Yeah, everybody cringes, let me

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think of that.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is post COVID so yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And we got her to the hospital and successful.

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couple of days after I had my you know, got

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that inoculation. I was real and it came on pretty

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fast the next day and just had this racing heart

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and this tanking blood pressure and I was dehydrating, and

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before you knew it, I was circling the drain and

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you know, I got I called for help and my

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department came, and you know, a local ambulance company came

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and they picked me up, got me in an ambulance,

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got to my v's started because I was severely dehydrated.

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place was full of people, full kids, full of adults,

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people suffering from this flu. And they put me in

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a room and they were kind of overwhelmed, and they

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came in and gave me something. You know, they injected

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it into the you know, the IV port, the injection

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port on the ivy line, and the girls, you know,

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she's a great nurse, but they were flustered, and so

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she pushed it in like all way in. And my

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wife was there and she said, your eyes rolled back

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and you just killed over straight back, and you were

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gone and they couldn't get you back and they could

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barely get a blood pressure. So I didn't come back,

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and they put me into intensive care with you know,

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a couple of ivs and head down and I just

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kind of hovered there at you know, a blood pressure

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that was like forty over zero for hours, and at

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some point during that night two three in the morning,

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something like that, I left my body and did you

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want me to go right into that part or did

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Speaker 1: So when you no, no, that's fine. So you did

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you like leave your body in the sense that you

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were in the room or did you go somewhere else

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right away?

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Speaker 2: What I found I found myself in a star filled realm.

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It was just all of these stars, these colorful orbs,

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and they were I was parading through them, and it

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was all good vibes and beautiful stars, you know, orbs

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I guess we call them. And I was just it

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was a complete ecstasy. It was complete euphoria. It felt

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like I'd been let out of a hot, dark, stuffy

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closet and I'd been stuck there and I was now

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this huge, expanded cloud, just sailing through this this welcoming

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party of stars, and I felt like somebody was pouring

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honey all over my brain, all over my and it

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was running down through all my nerves and it was

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like this, you know, I have not been ashamed to

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use this word, but it was like a cosmic orgasm

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and it just kept going. It was just the standing

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wave of absolutely euphoria. And I was thinking, man, that

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was rough duty, that place was gnarly, this earth, and

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you know, all those things, like those low emotions like

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anger and jealousy and rage, those things didn't exist. It

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was just pure delightful existence. And as I flew along

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through all these stars, I was thinking, how in the

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world did I forget who I really was? How is

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it that I was absolutely convinced, immersed in this dude

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that I was pretending to be this Bill Lutton and

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he had this whole story, and he had his likes

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and diss and he had you know this, all this stuff,

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and all of it was it was like it was pretend.

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It was like it was just something I was doing,

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like a game, and I didn't want going back to

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That was out of the question. There's no way. I

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was free and I was absolutely stoked. So I flew

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along for a while and then and everything was awesome,

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And it's like this, The moment is constantly the same

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thing of oh wow, this is so cool. Everything is

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new and absolutely stoked in each moment. So I was

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flying along just I could do this forever. This is awesome.

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And then I landed. I landed in a place that

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was solid and there was indirect lighting. There was equipment there,

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there were beds, there were it was a solid place.

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And right in front of me were three beings and

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they were the short, little hooded guys with big smiles

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on their face, and they were bouncing around and giggling,

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and I was trying to sort out, well where am I? Now?

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This was a complete change in you know, everything that

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was you know, in a structure.

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Speaker 2: And they were looking at me and they were giggling,

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and they were saying things like how was it, What

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did you learn? What can you tell us? And I

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was just kind of looking at him like where is it?

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What is this place? And who? You guys are very

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strange looking and they looked exactly like that those guys

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in the movie Communion where Christopher Walking goes in and

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there's you know, a lot of people when they see

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that they see demons or something, but they weren't. They

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were just these cool little munchkins and they were giggling

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and they were happy to see me. And if you

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watch that movie Communion. They're actually pretty playful, joyful guys.

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They don't do anything that is really upsetting once Christopher

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Walking controls his fear of the situation, once he gets

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used to you know, this is something phenomenal, but it's

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it's not menacing. So one of them came forward. He

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looked me up and down, and he turned to the

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other two and he goes, he doesn't remember us. And

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they started giggling uproariously, bouncing around and stuff, and I

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was like, guys, I kind of remember you, but you know,

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this is very unusual here. And then there was this

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other guy and he was in the background at first.

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He was this tall, wispy guy, and he had this like,

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you know, I've called him like a trimmed up gumby

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and like a walking stick. And he had this huge

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smile on his face. His eyes were bright, and he

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was absolutely stoked. You could feel the love coming off

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of him towards me. And he had this like weird

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spinning energy like you were you know, like if you

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took a glass of water and spun it and then

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looked at the you know, the vortex there, the spinning,

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That's what he looked like. And it looked like I

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was when he came forward, it was like I was

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looking at somebody underwater, and you know, the top part

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would move first and then the other parts would sort

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of catch up, and then he'd become a hole again.

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And he kept moving, and as he came closer, I

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just felt my chest just expanding and my throat tightening,

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and I felt like I was going to break down

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in uncontrollable crying from love. There was so much love

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coming from this being that it was paralyzing. It was overwhelming.

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different small talk stuff, and every time I said anything,

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he just chuckled. He just would crack up, like he

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was looking at a little toddler, and he was amused

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by his little toddler. And after a while, you know,

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the little guys were just giggling, and he was just

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chuckling at everything. And I said, you know, whether it's

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not you know, this isn't very organized. There's not much

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going on. Do we do we go and make a

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you know, do a review of my life? Is that?

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What's next? Do you guys want to get started with that?

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And the tall whisky guy just cracked up cracked up.

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He was just chuckling, and he thought that was hysterical

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that this little toddler was, you know, trying to take over.

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But he said, but he said, sure, sure, let's do that.

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How do you want to start? And so I told

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a few stories about, you know, jobs that my wife

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and I got offered a job on the off the

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coast to California on this island, and I took a

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fire job. But she really wanted that, and she said,

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you know, when are we going to get a chance

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to live on an island by ourselves? And you know

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what I was, you know, twenty twenty two something, said,

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island at this age, and I need I need action,

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I need you know, I need to be around fire guys.

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So but yeah, but now that I'm almost seventy, I

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look back and I say, I wish I had done

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that for her, because she wanted it, and she's pretty cool.

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of different things. Nobody was listening. They weren't paying attention.

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doing these playful, joyful things with each other. And a

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lot of chuckling and giggling, and then he just turns

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to me and he goes, Okay, that's enough time to

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go back. And that floored me that I was shocked

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at that, and I was like, go back. I go

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no way, I cannot go back there. That you don't understand.

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That place is rough duty And he's like, no, you

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got to go back. You got things to do, and

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and you're going back. And as he came forward, you know,

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I pleaded. I told him I was almost forty. What

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good am I? You know, my life's pretty much over there.

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I don't know, there's not much I can do after forty,

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you know. And he laughed at that, just like you,

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and I said some other things. I said, hey, I

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got lots of friends, lots of bros. But the only

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people that are really going to get stung by me

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not coming back is my wife and my parents. But

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they are strong people. They will persevere. And he thought

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that was funny, and he said, okay, now you're going back,

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and he came forward and the place just started to

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break up. It started to de material. He evaporated in

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front of me, and the room came apart, and I

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dropped in frequency, and I dropped away and I was

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on my way to another channel, another dimension, another stop.

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It didn't feel good as I was moving back to

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this place and I got close to my body and

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it was a dark place. It was lonely, it was dismal,

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and he didn't want to be there. And you know,

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we talked about you know, heaven and in between place

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and earth and then another place, and you know from

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what from that experience, you know, I believe that other

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place is right close to where we are here in

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the physical and you know, I think that's part of

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our thing where we need to navigate that successfully when

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we come out of our bodies. You know, that whole

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thing about the valley of the Shadow of Death without fear.

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We have to move through that into the higher planes.

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But anyway, I was back in my body and I

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was I woke up a few times, four or five

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in the morning, and I was looking at the equipment

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and it was the vital signs that things weren't improving

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with each round, and you know, they take your vitals

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and I could stay awake. After a while. It was

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still dark out and I was looking around, and the

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nurse came by and she was shocked. She's like, you're awake,

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and I'm like, yes, I am. I need to talk

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to you. And she said, well, I need to go

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tell a doctor. We've been worried all night. We didn't

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know what was going on with you, you know, what was

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where this was going. And I said, okay, you can

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go get the doctor, but first, what am I doing

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back here? You know? I was pissed and I wanted

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to verbalize that I guess and I said, I was home.

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I was home with my best bros. I was back

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where I belong. I had died, I had bought the farm.

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I was sure of it. And she had her hands

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on my shoulders and she was saying, it's just old nurse,

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you know, seen it all. And she goes, honey, you've

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been in escrow and you fell out of escrow and

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now you're back with us, and you're going to have

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to get your head around that, you know. And she

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said it very you know, genuinely. She sort of spoke

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to my soul. And I never forgot that because I

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had just come back from this experience and you know,

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a lot of of your guests will tell you that

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it's devastating, and you know, they can go into depressions

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for months and years, and you know, addiction can come

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with that. We are so cut off from what we

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really are here in you know, in this illusionary, this journey.

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and now back to the show.

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Speaker 2: But you know, and then everybody came by, and I

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was just lah bla blah blah blah blah blah blah.

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The big guy, the tall guy, the little guys, you know,

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and they were my best friends, and it was like

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I just got off a roller coaster and they want

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to know what it was about. And and you know,

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you see disappointment in your family's faces, and you know,

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the doctor tells you, we're outright, you're crazy. And so

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I was home for a few days and then recovering,

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and then I got back to work and the guys

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all wanted to know. It's like, hey, dude, something happened

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to you. Everyone's talking about it. And I'm like, well, yeah,

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well I'll tell you what happened. And I didn't leave

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anything out. And you know, the the very religious guys,

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whatever their religion, you know, they didn't want to hear

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much more of the story once I got to the

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little short, little guys because it wasn't fitting there robes

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and harps and beards and and I always thought that

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was really interesting because they were they were you know,

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they are such good people, but they wanted nothing to

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do with this sort of unusual story. And so I

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told the story for a while, and then the word

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kind of leaked down from the office, Hey, you better

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stop telling that story, because you know, we don't have

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coop riding our fire engines. And that made sense, and

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I'm like, yeah, I get it, and so I zipped it,

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and I dummied up for about fifteen years. But you know,

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it was my thing. It was absolutely real, and whenever

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I was in a bookstore, I would, you know, tiptoe

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into the wu Wu section and see if I could

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find some answers. The totally books were excellent. And you

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know when DMT the Spirit Molecule, when I read that,

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that was you know, that was a shocker because and

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that was after retirement about twenty eleven. That was a

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shocker because you know, his volunteers. Rick Straussman's work at

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the New Mexico University with you know, injecting his his

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volunteers with d MT and then recording where they go,

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what they experience. They were seeing the same thing. They

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were going to a very clinical place like a facility

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and seeing these short, little playful guys and a taller

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guy that's in charge, seemed to be in charge, but

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wasn't an authoritarian at all. And you know, a lot

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of these there's a lot of videos out there on

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my story, and these kids that smoke d MT, they'll

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write and say, you just explained my d MT breakthrough

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story to the letter. And that's an interesting thing when

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you look at Strausman's book and you know what these

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kids that are smoking d MT and getting this powerful,

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you know that the soul is rocketed into another, you know,

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another dimension, another realm. And they say it's very playful.

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And the guys are sometimes they hear them, they hear

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things like you're doing it wrong. You're not you know,

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you're not supposed to take this shortcut. But so yeah,

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well let.

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Speaker 1: Me ask you, Let me ask you. Let me ask

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you this real quick, all right. So when you were

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with with the little guys and the tall, thin guy,

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you said, do you want a life review. How did

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you understand that concept? Had you'd heard that concept before

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or did you just literally do want me to just

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tell you my life story?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I had that concept in my conscious thoughts and

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and it came forward, so.

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Speaker 1: So it just popped in. It popped into your consciousness

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at that moment.

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Speaker 2: No, I I have heard it. Uh, I had heard it,

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you know, Like I said, I would visit the woo

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wus section in the bookstore and stuff. So I here.

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Speaker 1: Therefore, before before the near death experience or after the

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near death experience, I.

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Speaker 2: Was always kind of that way. Okay, after it became

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more of a you know, this is this is real.

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These people aren't wasting their time with these you know,

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accounts and stuff. It's a real thing. We really don't

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know what we are right and we'll.

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Speaker 1: Bill let me ask you because I mean, as you know,

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I've I've spoken to over one hundred near death experiencers

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at this point. You're the first who has given me

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the details that you've given me. With the little guys

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and the tall guy, I've heard before, it's versions of him.

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I never heard the version of the little guy before,

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which these these little guys who obviously look different than humans. Uh,

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they look you know, weird, considering, you know, comparting to

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us and our perception. So you're the first I've heard

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that from. But what I find interesting is that people

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going through them their account is similar to your account,

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so it seems and I've done a lot of research

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in psychedelics, and it's almost like a shortcut. The DMT

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is a shortcut to go to where you went to.

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You did it the hard way. You had to die

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essentially to get there. But it's it's really fascinating how

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how the your trip went. And I call it a

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trip because it wasn't It wasn't a rough exit or

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a rough entrance back. You just kind of like almost

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was very like I'm out, I'm back in. I don't

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want to be here. It's it's pretty fascinating. Is there

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any other details of the actual experience that you can

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give us? Did was there? What did the room look like?

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What did you look like? Did you look at yourself?

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Anything like that.

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Speaker 2: I did not look at myself. I just assumed I

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was me, But I don't know what they were looking at.

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They definitely were looking at something. And this whole thing

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with you know, having eyes and speaking I'm not so

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sure anybody was speaking anything. It was you know, people

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say it's all telepathy, it's all absolute, honest, open communication.

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So there wasn't really a you know, gathering your thoughts

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before you spoke. It just came out. If you thought it,

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you know, they heard it type of thing. So as

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far as details, you know, there's so I'll just I'll

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say this. I believe that my near death experience was

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a kind of a tour. It was uh, leaving the

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earth realm and kind of shooting through that heavenly realm

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and getting a feel for what we really are, these

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incredible beings, infinite eternal beings, incredibly powerful, incredibly wise and kind.

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And then there was a you know, I left that

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heavenly realm, that heavenly dimension, and I was at this

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in between place. And if you see the movie Astral City,

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and it's a story of this guy in Brazil who

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was a famous medium, and he told this whole story

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of these of this astral city where we you know,

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there's a clinic, there's a rehab place. Everything is emotional trauma.

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Once we leave this place, that's what we're carrying. We're

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carrying feelings, you know, and the negative feelings need to

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be cleansed and healed. And so you'll go to this

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this clinic and then you'll go back out into the city.

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And you know, John Davis has a his NDE. He

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talks about this tour of the city with these libraries

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and you know, and I had a medium contact me

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and she goes, oh, I know exactly where you were.

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There steps lead down to this grassy area and then

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you can go out into the city and she's like,

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I'm there all the time. So she knows about this

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astral plane and you know, it seems to be a

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recurring thing. And you know, life is pretty good there

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and it sounds like we're there, we're there to learn

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about this place. You know, there's all these different like

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John Davis talks about, there's all these different aspects of learning.

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And then we come into lives and we forget absolutely

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everything about who we are and where we came from.

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And we have these lives and we learn from them,

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and then we go back.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

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and now back to the show.

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Speaker 2: Bill.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think this happened to you?

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Speaker 2: I think I think you know when he said you

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have to go back. You have things to do and

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they're important. And I think it's going on right now.

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You know, these last year and a half, these podcasts

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have gone crazy. You know, the number of people calling

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me that I want to talk to me and stuff.

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You know, I was telling my story. I got mixed

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up with the ions groups and they were incredibly helpful

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and I'd go around and tell my story at their

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meetings all over the place, and that was a very

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therapeutic for me. And then and then this whole podcast

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thing came out of COVID and all of a sudden,

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people are interested in nd It's like taking off like wildfire.

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And you know, I ask all you guys. I don't

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think I asked you before we started, but I ask

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everyone that I talked to what brought you to do

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these interviews and ask people about NDEs and every one

477
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,680
of them says, well, it's just really important thing. I

478
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:37,079
need to do it. You know, it's coming from somewhere

479
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:41,920
deep inside me. And you know that's that's the divine

480
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:49,079
hand in our earthplane, you know, sort of guiding the

481
00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:51,960
next step. You know, we all feel we're out of

482
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,559
crossroads helping humanity with you know the changes that are

483
00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:02,839
coming in the coming centuries, and there is an awakening,

484
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,920
there is you know, this knowledge of what we really

485
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,519
are is coming back into the light slowly.

486
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:10,839
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

487
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,319
Speaker 2: That's what I think. So so how did you get interested?

488
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:19,599
Speaker 1: It's a long story, but the short version of it

489
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,039
is that the reason I do the work is because

490
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,759
my own personal curiosity on not just near death experiences,

491
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,880
but the totality, the totality of all aspects of spirituality

492
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,279
and of our spiritual growth. So that's why I talk

493
00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:41,880
to channelers and mediums and psychics and quantum physicists and

494
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:47,240
you know, ancient civilization experts and all these different realms

495
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:51,000
about all lead to the same thing. They all cross pollinate,

496
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:55,440
and I think it's something that first interests me. But

497
00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:59,160
also I believe that it creates a tremendous amount of

498
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,680
peace and comfort to a lot of people around the world.

499
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,960
And that's one of the main reasons I do this.

500
00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:11,400
When I started, it was curiosity, and I was like, hey,

501
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,759
maybe five people will listen, maybe ten people will listen.

502
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:17,839
Who knows, And now we're in the millions and growing,

503
00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:21,400
and you're like, oh, this work is important, and hear

504
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,119
you hear things back from people, You're like, you're changing

505
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:27,359
my life. You know, I was atheist, Now I'm not.

506
00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:30,960
It's part of what I'm supposed to be doing here

507
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:36,240
for my personal journey. It is my purpose to do

508
00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:41,519
it here, to be this forum that I'm creating for

509
00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:44,119
people like yourself to come in and not only reach

510
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,799
a few hundred people, but to reach millions of people

511
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,839
who are very like minded and are curious about all

512
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,000
of this. So that's the main reason I'm doing it.

513
00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:56,559
And I agree with everything you're saying as far as

514
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,960
there is an awakening, we are being prepared for something

515
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:05,119
in the future. And I think we're all kind of decompressing,

516
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,119
like we've been down the in the trench underwater and

517
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,960
we're slowly coming up, Like if you go too fast,

518
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:17,480
we're going to get the bends. So this is this

519
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:24,239
is the process of this awakening. And five years ago

520
00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:27,920
this show wouldn't do as well as it is doing now.

521
00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:31,599
Ten years ago would have barely had a crawl, and

522
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,320
let's not even say farther back. So there's a timing

523
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,199
thing as well. You know, I started the show two

524
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,119
years ago right in the right towards the tail end

525
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,719
of COVID, you know, kind of like a little bit over.

526
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,840
We were over halfway through with COVID when this started,

527
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,119
and it's it's you know, it's changed my life, and

528
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:52,960
I think it's changed the lives of millions of people

529
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,400
around the world. So that's the short answer. The long

530
00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:01,360
answer is much longer. So Bill, let me ask you.

531
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,360
Let me ask you something. Bill, you know a lot

532
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:10,519
of people who watch these or hear about these, you know,

533
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,719
by the way you stole the told the story. Man,

534
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,559
it sounds like a dream. I'm gonna be Devil's advocate

535
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:20,320
here for a second. Good man, it just sounds like

536
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,159
a dream. You went, you cocked out, it concked open.

537
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:28,000
You had this really lucid dream, and you think you

538
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:30,440
went to the other side. And I mean, it just

539
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,039
sounds like a really lucid dream. What would you say

540
00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:34,480
to someone saying that to you?

541
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: Well, I will say it to you because you just

542
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,159
told me all about peace and comfort that you're bringing

543
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,280
uh to millions, and the other side is nothing but

544
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,239
love and kindness and patience and sweetness and all those

545
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,079
rough emotions. They're here, but they don't go with us.

546
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,239
So that other side if you're ready to look, if

547
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:08,079
you're ready to say, you know what's going on here

548
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:12,800
and and how can I do better? Then you'll start seeing, uh,

549
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:18,639
you know, the messages from guys like you and there

550
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:22,480
you know, I know you're from the film industry. There,

551
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:27,440
these messages are in the film industry. Oh yeah, if you,

552
00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:30,800
if your audience watches that movie astral City, you'll be

553
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:36,159
shocked at the parallels. You know, there's a heavenly realm,

554
00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:38,800
there's an in between, there's an earth realm, there's a

555
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,960
there's a other place, and they're they're all shown very

556
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:49,960
clearly in that movie. And my you're gonna love this.

557
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,000
My story. I've just realized in the last couple of

558
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:58,159
years that you know, in The Wizard of Oz, Dorothy

559
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,880
lives in a black, white world, kind of drab, not

560
00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:06,760
a lot going on, some mean people, you know, harming

561
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,480
animals and things. And she gets caught up in the twister.

562
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:15,239
She goes up in the cabin. Something happens, the window

563
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,760
comes off, hits her in the head and she falls

564
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,400
on the bed and she peels away, you know, this

565
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,199
lighter version of her peels away and she's in a

566
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,559
near death experience and when the cabin lands, she opens

567
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:34,360
the door and there's these beautiful, giant colored flowers and

568
00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:38,760
these beautiful, you know greens. It's everything's in full color.

569
00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:45,039
And there are these giggling munchkins that are hiding around

570
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:49,119
in all this color and all this beauty, and they

571
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:52,880
come forward to her in groups of three, you know,

572
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:58,719
with the Lollipop Guild, and those are my favorite. And

573
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,599
you know, they had that same sort of playful, joyful

574
00:38:03,639 --> 00:38:06,480
thing that the guys I saw. That was the feeling

575
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:09,719
I got, you know, And then the little dancers and

576
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:15,360
the politicians. And when she's ready, Glinda comes. Glinda shows up,

577
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:22,239
arrives in a beautiful or of colors, and she's a

578
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:29,119
has a beautiful soul, and you know, is interacting sweetly

579
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,840
with Dorothy and gets her on the road, gets her

580
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,599
on her journey. And Linda always shows up when Dorothy

581
00:38:36,639 --> 00:38:40,239
gets into trouble with the witch or whatever, Glinda shows

582
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:46,199
up along the way. And Dorothy gets these these three

583
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:51,639
characters that she that travel with her, the straw man

584
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,360
looking for a brain, and the tin man looking for

585
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,159
a heart, and the lion looking for courage. And the

586
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:02,559
story I get is that the story that comes clearly

587
00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:07,119
to me is that when we learn to use our

588
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:12,599
right brain and reconnect with the divine of sweetness and kindness,

589
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:18,960
you know, live our life from that divine mind and

590
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,559
make every decision from the intelligence of the heart, and

591
00:39:26,639 --> 00:39:31,920
to move forward without fear, with courage, then we get

592
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,880
to go home. And there's no place like home.

593
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: And the powers and the powers always within you. She

594
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:42,519
always had the power to go home whenever she wanted.

595
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,639
Speaker 2: To, Right on, Alex Isn't that awesome?

596
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: That is That's a really great analogy for that movie.

597
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,079
And you know, I always, I always find it fascinating.

598
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,000
Is this one of my I love talking about this subject

599
00:39:56,159 --> 00:40:02,519
is media in general, stories, movie, these books, they show

600
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:07,320
up and move humanity forward in a way. So when H. G.

601
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:12,000
Wells started doing his books, the concepts that he talked

602
00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:15,519
about in those books which did not exist prior to him.

603
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:20,039
You know, sixty years later, we're on the moon, you know,

604
00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:22,199
we have a space program, we have other things like that,

605
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,920
all of these because they were inspired by those stories.

606
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,159
How many scientists and quantum physicists have we been inspired

607
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:37,519
by Star Wars or Star Trek or the matrix will

608
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:43,559
be right back after a word from our sponsor. And

609
00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:48,840
now back to the show or these kind of films

610
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,880
that really open up our our mind, Like a movie

611
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,199
like The Matrix could not have come out in nineteen

612
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,039
thirty nine when Miservos came out, not only for the

613
00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:02,320
technical limit, but the story would have been just so

614
00:41:03,559 --> 00:41:10,039
beyond anybody's comprehension. But I mean, HG. Wells was pretty

615
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:14,639
much beyond anybody's comprehension when it came out. But when

616
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:19,679
the right time is right, these stories find their way

617
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:24,239
into the zeitgeist. And now more than now, how I

618
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,639
guess the other day, say, Marvel's doing a great job

619
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,960
with the multiverse. The idea of the multiverse, multiple dirensions,

620
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,679
parallel realities, that's in the zeitgeist. Now these are con like,

621
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,880
you know, very common phrases which before were talked.

622
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 2: Only by.

623
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: You know, dark cornered quantum physicists in a party somewhere

624
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,199
who the other quantum physicists looked at like, oh god,

625
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:53,639
he's talking about a multiverse again kind of kind of stuff.

626
00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:57,440
So it's pretty it's pretty fascinating how this is all

627
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,440
starting to unravel and shows like these ideas are being.

628
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 3: Shown to millions now, Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you went

629
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,679
that full circle because it comes all the way back

630
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:15,239
to right now what we're seeing with the podcasts and

631
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:21,199
that inspiration. Uh, you know, Hollywood isn't some dark boogeyman

632
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,960
that's putting these movies out that you know, this inspiration

633
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:30,280
is coming I think from a divine source and just

634
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,639
like you deciding, Hey, I'm going to put together this

635
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,679
whole thing with this podcast, and this is going to

636
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,599
be the format. You know, hgu Well said, you know,

637
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:40,199
I'm going to write this book and this is where

638
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:45,280
it's going to go, and it you know, for your guests,

639
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:51,400
you know that there is a divine angels and guides

640
00:42:51,559 --> 00:42:55,800
and ancestors. They're all around us all the time, and

641
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:01,880
we're being nudged and everything is in one hands. And

642
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,719
like you said, the next goal is us.

643
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: Understanding that there are you know, these incredible dimensions. They're

644
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,039
just a frequency away and they're all around us and

645
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:17,840
we're not alone in the universe like you know, the

646
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:23,400
mainstream says. Quite the contrary, It's an incredible universe full

647
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,679
of you know, diverse life.

648
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 1: You when you kind of came out of your near

649
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,360
death experience, when you came out of where you were six.

650
00:43:33,679 --> 00:43:37,440
You know, you became better. It sounded like the moment

651
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:39,920
you came out, you started talking about this is what

652
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,920
you said. You told anybody who would listen. You went

653
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,119
back and told the boys everybody, Hey, this is what happened.

654
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,639
So you weren't ever quote unquote in this in the closet.

655
00:43:49,679 --> 00:43:51,800
The ND closet is what I like to call it.

656
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,159
You came out really quickly, but then you got shoved

657
00:43:56,199 --> 00:44:01,039
back in to the closet for fifteen years because your

658
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:06,360
surrounding world maybe some accepted it, many didn't. And if

659
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,199
you were going to keep your job, you needed to

660
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:11,320
shut your hole or else it just wasn't gonna happen.

661
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,960
And I you know what, when I heard that, I

662
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,119
was like, there's a bunch of you know Burley, you

663
00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:20,880
know bar in early burly firefighters. You know, a lot

664
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,719
of testosterone in the room. I can't be hearing about

665
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,920
short little guys. You know that's not my I can't.

666
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:27,679
Speaker 2: I get it.

667
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,199
Speaker 1: I get it. But when you got kind of pushed

668
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,960
back into that closet, and it sounds like it was

669
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,760
self imposed, you shut the door and you were there

670
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,599
for fifteen years, quietly dealing with this, How did you

671
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,079
deal with it psychologically? Because there's so many near death

672
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:49,960
experiences I speak to who suffered so much by not

673
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:52,719
being able to share their stories. And then what was

674
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,119
it that got you out of that closet?

675
00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: Well, I think these are great, great questions. I think

676
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,320
think that deep down inside, I wasn't taking Bill seriously

677
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:13,079
anymore because I was I'd seen life without him and

678
00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:16,800
I was still me, and you know, I wasn't too

679
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:22,480
proud of a lot of parts of him, and I

680
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:25,199
definitely didn't like the whole human being thing, the whole

681
00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:28,239
you know, we're in constant judgment. We have all these

682
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,599
biases and we got to be right, and you know,

683
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:36,599
all that stuff dropped away. And so, yeah, I didn't

684
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:40,800
take Bill too seriously, and I I stopped. I didn't

685
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:46,039
react to the situation here that Yeah, the n D

686
00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:50,079
years are kooks, you know, And I was at the

687
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:54,079
top of the cook pile with my story and so

688
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,320
I left it alone. And you know, thankfully it came,

689
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,159
you know, with Strausman's book and some of the things

690
00:46:01,199 --> 00:46:05,039
I did. It came roaring back and and here we

691
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:05,599
are today.

692
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,079
Speaker 1: So what was there was there a catalyst for you

693
00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:11,280
to say, I need to start telling my story. What

694
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:12,280
was the catalyst for that?

695
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:19,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was a happy retiree of riding

696
00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:22,199
bikes and playing in bands and running trails with my dogs,

697
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,840
and all of a sudden the Straussman video showed up.

698
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,679
And then I bought the book. And when I got

699
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:32,039
to chapter thirteen and fourteen and saw those little guys

700
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:38,360
described and the feelings that his volunteers had for these guys,

701
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:41,440
I put the book down and I walked around for

702
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,480
a week, going, what is going on in this place?

703
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,760
You know, I had my funny little thing that happened,

704
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:55,719
but he can reproduce this with this DMT. He's reproducing

705
00:46:56,119 --> 00:47:00,679
you know, they're going to this facility, they're seeing these beings.

706
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:04,920
And I remember, after I read the book a couple

707
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,000
of times, I sat down and I go, this is

708
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:11,480
the most significant book that's probably been written in the

709
00:47:11,559 --> 00:47:16,800
last ten thousand years, because it I think you said

710
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:21,800
earlier that you know there is a doorway and people

711
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,199
can go through it. I don't recommend it because you know,

712
00:47:25,199 --> 00:47:28,079
I've done the ayahuasca thing, and it's you know, that

713
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:33,039
can be a brutalizing night because you're trying to escape

714
00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:38,880
this earthly selfish opinion, and you know it may take

715
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,840
hours for you to surrender to the softer voice that

716
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:48,360
that other you that's waiting for you to figure him out.

717
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 1: It sounds from my experience with from studying speaking to

718
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,920
people who've taken psychedelics. I've never partaken, but from what

719
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:04,719
I understand, it can be a very violent journey from

720
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,559
this point to the other. Whereas when I've spoken to

721
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:14,320
yogi's and gurus and swamis from India or from other parts,

722
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,679
the way they present it is like, well, if you

723
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,880
do it this way, it's a very you don't get

724
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:25,400
the bends. It's a very slow You're decompressing over years

725
00:48:26,039 --> 00:48:28,320
to be able to Then once you get to where

726
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,880
you're going jump in or out whenever you want. That's

727
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,000
when you start becoming Your vibration gets higher, your frequency

728
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:40,880
gets higher. But these psychedelics they'll run you through. But

729
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,159
it's again, I've said this before in the show, and

730
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:45,079
I'll say it against one of the great quotes from

731
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,719
uh At the Maharishi, who said, what do you think

732
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,679
about these kind of Because it was a sixties so

733
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,320
you know, everything was going around. The psychedelics psilocybin and

734
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,960
all that stuff, acid and stuff, and he's like, well,

735
00:48:57,079 --> 00:49:00,239
taking acid or psilocybin is kind of like making a

736
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:05,280
sledgehammer to a wall to get the sunlight to come in,

737
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:11,400
where meditation is placing a window in that wall. And

738
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,280
I was like that that sounds that sounds right because

739
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,320
it's and what you're saying too, it's like it's it

740
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,800
is pretty violent, and you're kind of like almost being yanked,

741
00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:26,440
like you're you're doing something someone else. Another Yogi told

742
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:27,960
me is like you're going into a room that you

743
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,920
weren't invited into. That's right, right, It's like you were

744
00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:35,039
you weren't. You were invited into it because you died

745
00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:39,239
and came back, which also, to be fair, can be

746
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,000
a violent situation. I've had many on the show, and

747
00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:44,239
you said something really interesting.

748
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,079
Speaker 2: You said that you were on the top of the kookpile.

749
00:49:46,679 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: To be fair, Bill, your story is a little bit

750
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,559
more out, if it's even possible, a little bit more

751
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:58,079
outside the norm of a near death experience that I've

752
00:49:58,199 --> 00:50:01,000
I mean, I again spoken to over on now. I mean,

753
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:03,679
Jesus didn't show up. You know, you didn't have a

754
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,679
traditional life review. But the thing that I find fascinating

755
00:50:09,679 --> 00:50:12,199
will be right back after a word from our sponsor,

756
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,960
and now back to the show. Is that your experience

757
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,320
and every near death experience that I've had that I've

758
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,840
spoken to one point or another all say something similar.

759
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:34,480
There's nothing but love, there's nothing but peace. The characters

760
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:39,039
might change in that story, but that is always the

761
00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:42,320
over and they all come back different, they all come

762
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,599
back changed. And yeah, there are some that go through

763
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:48,760
a hellish experience and they later tell me that like

764
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,639
I had to because I was Catholic. I had to

765
00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:52,599
go through that because I felt that I needed to

766
00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:55,559
go through that in order to find the pearly Gates.

767
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:57,199
Speaker 2: It's it.

768
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,039
Speaker 1: But I wanted to kind of put that out there

769
00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:01,519
for people because your story is like these little guys.

770
00:51:01,519 --> 00:51:04,880
I'm like, okay, great, who are these little guys? What's

771
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,960
going on? I've never heard of them, but yet everything

772
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:12,159
sounds there's a familiarity to it all from from my experience.

773
00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:13,360
From this point of view, sir.

774
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,679
Speaker 2: That's cool. That's cool to hear. You're the man.

775
00:51:20,039 --> 00:51:23,159
Speaker 1: So let me ask you, how did your family deal

776
00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:25,000
with this? I mean, because there's one thing that stopped

777
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,880
telling you Bros, but when you're you know, like your wife,

778
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:32,440
your parents, you know, and people really close to you.

779
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,159
Was it something that was just not talked about?

780
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:41,519
Speaker 2: Or what my family wasn't you know, my mom and dad,

781
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,039
sisters and stuff. They that's who wasn't going to be

782
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:49,800
talked about. They're all wonderful people and stuff. But there

783
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,119
was nowhere to go with it. And my wife over

784
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:56,719
the years, like you know, I would wake up giggling

785
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,920
and talking in some nonsensical language and and laughing, and

786
00:52:03,039 --> 00:52:05,000
she would go, what is going on with you with

787
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,039
with this? You know, you're talking to somebody and I'm like,

788
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:11,559
there's like these guys. I really can't see them, but

789
00:52:11,639 --> 00:52:15,440
they're right nearby, and you know, in that sweet spot

790
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:21,079
of sleeping and dreaming and waking, that connection to the divine,

791
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:26,159
these guys are around. And so she knew something was real.

792
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,639
And you know, I really didn't run off the rails

793
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,159
too many times in our fifty years together, so she

794
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,639
knew that this was a real thing that was part

795
00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:41,159
of me. And you know, every back in the day,

796
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:45,199
every few years, in order to help out, I would

797
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,920
like one time we she had this robe and I said,

798
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,320
that robe, you look exactly with that light. You know,

799
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,679
you're silhouetted. You look exactly like those guys. And so

800
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,760
we set it up there was a light curtain, and

801
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,880
then so I took three pictures of her and you know,

802
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,519
and we put them all together, and one of them

803
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:05,360
is turning to the other two and I'm like, that's

804
00:53:05,639 --> 00:53:07,920
that's what I saw, you know. And this was twenty

805
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,719
years ago or more, and so that picture hung around

806
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:16,519
for a long time, and you know, she's been supportive, cooperative,

807
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:18,440
entertained by it.

808
00:53:19,519 --> 00:53:22,559
Speaker 1: Do you do you still? Do you dream about them

809
00:53:22,639 --> 00:53:24,559
or do you meditate? Or do you see them other?

810
00:53:24,679 --> 00:53:26,119
Like if you're if you do meditate, do you see

811
00:53:26,119 --> 00:53:28,320
them in the meditations? Do you dream? And did they

812
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,239
come back and talk to you? How do you do

813
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:31,679
you still have communications with them?

814
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: Not with them specifically, but you know this meditation thing,

815
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,440
well you were talking about the power of that that

816
00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:44,679
cannot be overstated. If you sit quietly in nature and

817
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,400
still yourself and quiet your mind, you know, plus raise

818
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,320
your frequency with how you eat and how you think,

819
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:59,639
and that veil can disappear for everyone. We can move

820
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:04,320
into those other realms or experience them. And when I

821
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,360
you know, I sit in the recliner over there. You know,

822
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:09,760
I'm old, guys, so I need a couple of naps

823
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:14,039
a day and just let go. And you know, the

824
00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:16,639
vibrations start. You know, my right side of my head

825
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:21,320
starts to vibrate and tingle, and then this area gets

826
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,519
very heavy and sleepy, and uh, you know, and then

827
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:29,480
this these vibrations start, and you know, you start to

828
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:35,960
move out seemingly out of your body or inward or something.

829
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,760
But there's lots of colors around and then uh, I

830
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,760
push through that and then you can go to the grids,

831
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,719
and then they go past the grids, and then there

832
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,840
are these light forms you know that are in the room.

833
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:56,320
These you know, energetic beings of light, our ancestors, our friends,

834
00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:00,920
they're all they're around all of us all the time.

835
00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:08,840
And if you quiet the beast adequately, you can, you know,

836
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,719
you can reconnect with who you really are.

837
00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 1: You said something interesting, and I'd love for you to

838
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,920
just to tell me what you're doing in that sense

839
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:23,800
when you're saying, raise your vibration, raise your frequency with meditation,

840
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:27,760
which I've experienced that myself in my own meditation practice.

841
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,920
But you said something, eat the right foods to raise

842
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,679
your vibration as well. I also have experienced that as well.

843
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,280
Can you explain to the audience what you've been doing

844
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:44,079
and what kind of foods, because I'll tack on afterwards,

845
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:45,920
but I want to hear your point of view of

846
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,639
what foods and things you're doing to kind of raise

847
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,079
your vibration and get closer to this stuff that we're

848
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:52,639
talking about.

849
00:55:53,079 --> 00:55:58,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, when in twenty eleven, twenty twelve, you asked me

850
00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:01,960
earlier about what was going on, But I started going

851
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,239
to Costa Rica, just getting on a plane and going

852
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:09,400
to Costa Rica and driving around, and it went on

853
00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:12,000
for three or four years. I'd get away for a

854
00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:16,440
couple of weeks or a few months, and the roads

855
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,639
turned into dirt, roads turned into trails, and I started

856
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:25,760
being around people who lived in villages communes, and they

857
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,800
did a lot of stuff with silence. It was part

858
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,360
of the village, and intension.

859
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:32,199
Speaker 1: Was part of the village.

860
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,599
Speaker 2: The food was all food that's full of light, you know,

861
00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:43,360
greens and vegetables and fruits. And the water was water

862
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,920
that fell to the earth and ran along Mother Earth's

863
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:53,679
magnetic love and became structured water. And that's a huge

864
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,440
part of it. Because we're mostly water to drink, that

865
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:04,639
structured water. And when you start following those things, I

866
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:10,079
noticed with my trips. One of the trips, something opened

867
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,280
and I started seeing this energy climbing the walls, this

868
00:57:14,639 --> 00:57:16,840
bluish light, and it was on it like a five

869
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:23,400
second repeat cycle. And I'd look in the sky and

870
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,360
i'd see like the Aurora boreals, I'd see purple and

871
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:33,679
green swirling powerful energy. And you know that's when you

872
00:57:33,679 --> 00:57:37,960
watch murmurations of birds and schooling fish and the experts

873
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,599
can't tell you what are they What are they doing?

874
00:57:40,639 --> 00:57:43,199
How are they all making the same move? Well, they're

875
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:46,719
they're tied into that energy that's around all of us,

876
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,159
this powerful energy. It's purple and green with the Aurora

877
00:57:52,199 --> 00:57:55,440
of orealis. If you look at the chakras, that's you know,

878
00:57:55,519 --> 00:58:02,000
that is divine love. That is divine love coming down

879
00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:07,840
and organizing. Play the movie that we're in these gravitational waves.

880
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:12,000
It's all real. But yeah, that opened. I started seeing

881
00:58:12,119 --> 00:58:17,519
people's faces would change, past lives would come up, animated

882
00:58:18,119 --> 00:58:24,320
characters talking, smiling. You know, this shocked everybody down in

883
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:29,440
that in that village, because how can this fireman who

884
00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:34,159
just showed up to this lifestyle have these amazing experiences.

885
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,199
But you know, again, I think that was just my

886
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,719
path and somehow I honored it and I found my

887
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:46,280
way to these to these experiences. And it had everything

888
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,800
to do with and a lot of things like negative emotions,

889
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,800
like the guy that cuts you off on the roadway,

890
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:58,639
just let him go. Let him go, he got enough troubles.

891
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,199
And you know, the lady that bumps you with the

892
00:59:03,239 --> 00:59:08,000
shopping cart or something, just back off and say, you know, hello, madam,

893
00:59:08,239 --> 00:59:11,320
I hope you have a nice day and whatever. It's

894
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:17,360
just separate yourself from those low emotions that we have

895
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,800
here and you'll start returning to your real self. Ye,

896
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,519
you can live a heaven on earth life. And you know,

897
00:59:26,599 --> 00:59:30,880
the cundalini starts to move and then everything changes.

898
00:59:31,719 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: And that's a whole other podcast for a whole other

899
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,639
day when we start talking about cundalini energy and all

900
00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:38,760
of that there. I've spoken about it many times. If

901
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,679
anyone's curious about it, they could just go into the

902
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,599
archives and look for the word kundalini, because that is

903
00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:45,920
a part of this process.

904
00:59:46,599 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, very real.

905
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, as you're as you're elevating and elevating your vibration

906
00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:59,719
to a higher frequency. Your Kundalini energy starts to open

907
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,360
up more and more and more, and we'll be right

908
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:09,639
back after a word from our sponsor, and now back

909
01:00:09,639 --> 01:00:14,440
to the show. And yeah, you know, eating foods that

910
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:19,599
are alive, vibrant, those things. I mean, you listen to

911
01:00:19,639 --> 01:00:23,920
the Yogi's. You know they're not eating McDonald's. You know,

912
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,599
generally speaking, they're not eating that kind of food. They're

913
01:00:29,639 --> 01:00:33,280
eating things that are alive and fresh. And it helps

914
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,639
with because what you put into your body also has

915
01:00:35,679 --> 01:00:39,840
an energetic signature to it. So if you're eating things

916
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:45,400
that are low energy, energy drops when you things are hi,

917
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,239
it drops us. Well, when I used to eat a

918
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,760
nice burger at in and out, it tasted good going in,

919
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,880
and that's so much. About twenty minutes thirty minutes later,

920
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:55,960
I was just like, you feel.

921
01:00:57,079 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 2: That's true, that's that's me too. It's almost like a

922
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:01,920
uh rejection.

923
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, your body is just like I gotta process

924
01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:08,400
all of it, and you just get so tired and

925
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,320
you're just like but then you eat something that's you know,

926
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,760
a little bit more alive, and you you're bouncing, you're

927
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,440
bouncing and you're jumping and your and your energy level

928
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:16,920
is different.

929
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 1: So you know everything is energy. Uh, no, no question,

930
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,920
everything is energy, everything is frequency. And the more I

931
01:01:24,039 --> 01:01:28,000
talk to people like yourself and you know, quantum physicists

932
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,440
from Yale and Harvard and Oxford and all over the

933
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:34,519
world and start talking about these kind of ideas, it's

934
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:38,639
just so fascinating how the old you know, ancient texts

935
01:01:39,039 --> 01:01:42,440
and the new you know, quantum physics and those kind

936
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,880
of those kind of principles are starting to match up.

937
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,320
And we're having the open conversations about it in public

938
01:01:50,639 --> 01:01:52,960
for anybody in the world to watch whenever they want.

939
01:01:53,079 --> 01:01:55,400
So it is it's a really interesting time to be

940
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:56,760
a live bill, that's for sure.

941
01:01:57,639 --> 01:02:01,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It is that that ancient knowledge is

942
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:06,119
coming back. And you know that the Conference on Procession

943
01:02:06,159 --> 01:02:10,920
and Ancient Knowledge that's next week down in Palm Springs,

944
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,800
that's a good one. I mean, Graham Hancock will be

945
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:19,800
there and Robert Grant. These these guys, if you're if

946
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you're paying attention, you know, if if you're drawn to them,

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you can get a lot of answers about you know,

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how things are going here and this whole cycle of

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how we're gonna how we're climbing back to a golden

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age and you know there's nothing to be fearful of

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it all agreed.

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Speaker 1: Agreed. Now I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you a few questions,

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ask all my guests, what is your definition of living

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a fulfilled life?

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Speaker 2: A fulfilled life is for me is to look upon

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all life, all others as the divine being that they

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really are are, that they're having this earthly experiencing experience.

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We're all having it together. And two, be kind to

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somebody else's experience. Help where you can. And you know

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I did it with my whole life with the firefighter thing,

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the service to others, and I mean you just life

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is just a blast when you're in service to others

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and you have this reverence and respect for all life forms,

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you know, trees and rocks, even this is this, This

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is a beautiful gift. And yeah, the human thing is

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a it's a it's kind of a big false narrative.

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You know that we got to get the job and

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the girl in the car and it's a false narrative.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it is it's a video game. But

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you can't you can't take seriously that you're Mario and

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there's really no Donkey Kong coming after you. Now, if

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you had a chance to go back in time and

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talk to little Bill, what advice would you give him?

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Speaker 2: Keep going strong, bro? You know, I think that I

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you have to look and say that the path was

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you know, divinely scripted. You know when you watch that

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talking about movies, you watch that movie the Adjustment Bureau,

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that we have a path and you know we may

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not intersect with a big challenge, but it'll come again.

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So I would, you know, be tempted to tell little Bill, hey,

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you got there's something going on with you. And near

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death experience is an invitation, and it's an invitation to

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a soul that has, you know, I don't know, picked

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up some mile, it's picked up some energy that's positive.

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And so I'd be tempted to tell a little Bill,

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hey you got something. There's something special about you. Get

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a little more serious about the meditation and these people

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that sit quietly and look at the world differently and

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slow down, because you know, for thirty years I was

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doing iron Man's and you know all the training that

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you know, I was constantly churning swimming at five am

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and running at lunch and bicycling after work, and I

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was constantly churning. And I had my chart read once

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and it said, you have this incredible amount of cosmic

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energy in your chart. You've got like this cosmic triangle.

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And I said, well, that explains why, you know, I'm

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sixty five years old and I'm running for an hour

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and a half when most of my friends are like, dude,

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i can't even get out of the recliner. And so, yeah,

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that energy was there, but I don't know, maybe Little

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Bill could have directed it towards things like you know,

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you looked into early in life.

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Speaker 1: Now, how do you define God or source source energy?

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Speaker 2: You know, I think that big ball of fire in

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the sky is a lot closer to source than we've

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been led to believe. You know, there's a book, The

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Real History of the World, and he says that that

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big ball of that the sun and the sky is

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really a doorway. It's a portal back to where we

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really come from. And it, you know, it comes by,

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it passes by every day, and the plants grow and

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we get wood from it, and we can stay warm

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while it's not here, and you know, everything goes back

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when we talk about source, everything goes back to that

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big ball of fire in the sky, and without it,

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everything ceases here. So yeah, it's that, and it's all

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those other things. It's it's just this expanded that we're

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all part of.

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Speaker 1: And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

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Speaker 2: The ultimate purpose of life is to be kind and

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to help others. And when your parents get old, you know,

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drop everything you want to do even though you're young

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and healthy, and be there for them. Most of us, don't.

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You know, My mom went through this place and I

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was the only There was eighty people in there, and

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I was the only one that was there every day.

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They come on the weekends or days and stuff. But

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you know that walk your ancestors home.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful. That's beautiful, beautiful. And where can people find out

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more about you and the work that you're doing in

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the world.

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Speaker 2: I'm not really out there. They can email me, that's

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you know. I'm b Letson fifty six at gmail dot com.

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But I don't have a website or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: So you're not selling a book is Everyone always says, oh,

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they're just doing this to sell books. You're not doing

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that to sell books. So not that you get not

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that you get rich by selling books, by the way,

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I don't know, but no, you don't.

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Speaker 2: You don't, and I and you know, we're programmed to

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believe that that we are. You know that is something

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has value, then it has monetary value, and if you

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sell a lot of it, then you're a best seller.

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And now you're you have more value and important. And

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that's I stay away from it. I stay away from

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any bucks coming my way. And you know, Jesus, there's

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only one time Jesus got pissed off and he went

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back to Jerusalem. Jerusalem with his followers went into the

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temple and there was all this stuff, people selling things,

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and he flipped out. He turned the tables over, and

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you know, he lost his cool because there was money

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changers in the temple. And you know, we're we're not

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supposed to be doing this. This is this, This life

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here on earth is a temporary gig. It's over in

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a few hearts. It's over in a few heart beats.

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You know, I was fifteen two weeks ago on.

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Speaker 1: Me Too, Brother, Me too. I was just sitting down

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watching Saturday morning cartoons just yesterday. So I completely understand

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what you said. And you have any party messages for

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the audience. Bill, We'll be right back after a word

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, the the NDE thing is popular right now.

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And you know, we're all celebrities apparently, and but we're

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really not uh special, We're not. There's nothing special or

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unique about us. We just had an NDE and we

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somehow remembered it. And you know, the and the so

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that the NDE and the drinking the ayahuasca and the

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deep trans like meditation, these things can take you out

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of the illusion of this world and back to who

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you really are. INDE is kind of out of the question,

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and the ayahuasca that's sort of a forced NDE, to

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be honest with you, and you know that leaves the

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meditation is sit quietly and take care of your body,

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and you can reconnect with who we really are. Bill.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on the show and sharing your

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amazing story and wisdom that you've picked up along the

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way in this life. So I appreciate you, my friend.

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Thank you again so much.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you. Alex, thanks very much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today.

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