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and unique zero. What's up, zero Jr. Five dollars? How

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do with book shipping. What's up, man, I'm you?

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Speaker 2: Oh oh sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, I didn't realize.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what's up?

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Speaker 3: Okay? Hello Jay Dyer.

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how would we like go towards our priests and try

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and firmly go make sure that they're not actually communing

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these people because we're having this problem in the Western

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what the answer is

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Speaker 2: Like Faver taken, and I is like, could you give

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me some like wisdom on this because in my local

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parish there are some Armenians and you know they can

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Speaker 5: There's a couple of different steps you can take when

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Speaker 3: You can Jamie, can you make me an espresso too?

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Speaker 1: Can it made me an espresso?

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the bishop, and none of none of those things work.

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Speaker 5: Then, just like you would do other stuff like I'm

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by media let's say Orthodox uh outlets and stuff like

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Speaker 6: Actually deal with it.

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Speaker 5: You So you give a kind of open invitation for

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this to be addressed and correct right up the proper

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kind of hierarchy. And if that doesn't imply pressure, uh,

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you know, use different Orthodox outlets to draw attention to.

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Speaker 1: Chase. I mean, we're in the bomb fight territory. Now

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we're letting anyone on. Pretty much we're gonna have haggards

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Speaker 7: It's real funny, dire. So do you want to actually

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have the conversation or are you gonna just.

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Speaker 8: Mute me and run?

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Speaker 1: I mean, are you gonna pepper spray me in person?

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Speaker 8: Or no, I'm not gonna pepper spray you in person.

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Speaker 7: But if you really want to talk about like the

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whole god thing, my great grandmother used to tell me

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stories about old days and all this god stuff comes

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from you know, way before that. There used to be

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a time of peace when the Avatar cat balance between

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the water tribes fire nation Earth came demand the air nomads.

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seven thousand years ago. And so how do you know

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that your god stuff is true when we have this

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stuff from from a fire nation and from before?

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Speaker 1: Well, is there a place for Yakub in this or not?

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Speaker 8: You're just gonna you're just gonna run the jokes again.

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Speaker 1: It's not just Yakoub. You think Yakub's a joke, You're

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Speaker 8: All right, man, I knew this as a waste of time.

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Speaker 1: I come on, essay, I'm out of here.

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Speaker 8: There's a waste of time.

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Speaker 6: To say when I when I leave you in Egypt.

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Speaker 1: Bason, listen, I know what I'm just I don't have

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time for this. I'm gonna run. I'm not going to

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answer Chase his challenges. I mean, it's just like dealing

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with these people is just Jason chasing Jason.

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Speaker 3: Hello, can you guys here?

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Speaker 1: Then barely push push the pillow closer to your face

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when you talk into it.

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Speaker 9: A bro, it can hear us. They go find a

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bigger pillow. Dicoverant par face vulture, what's up?

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Speaker 10: Yo?

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Speaker 3: What's up?

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Speaker 10: Jack?

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Speaker 1: Hey?

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Speaker 11: And honestly, I didn't take my faith very seriously until recently.

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a saint can make a mistake. So how do we

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well known and pretty established and pretty small. Rome has

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this sort of dogmatic statement on anything and everything. We

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covers the fundamentals of our faith. So like, what is

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that hasn't already been dogmatically stated?

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Speaker 3: Gotcha?

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Speaker 10: All right?

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Shit, I thought you were act that's fine. I thought

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you were actually like gonna say, you know, is there

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a specific issue you're referring to, not.

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Speaker 11: Anything in particular, just more or less. I've been trying

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to learn about orthodog Sye and just the whole structure

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and understand how it is that our church bothers even

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came to these conclusions from the ancient texts and whatnot to.

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Speaker 8: Get to where we are now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, you know, start with a book

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like ourslaw Pelicon Volume one on the Christian tradition. Jacob,

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what's something, dude?

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Speaker 3: Is up? Jay?

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Speaker 12: Hey, So I just had sort of a debate with

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my friend who is an empiricist, and he kind of

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admitted that he can't account for logic or epistemology or

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you know, any of the good stuff.

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Speaker 13: But he kind of threw it back at me, and

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it was really strange, like he threw it back at.

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Speaker 3: Me and just saying like.

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Speaker 13: I'm going to use like tag for this sort of

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arbitrary like creator, like a kind of like in like

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a deistic fashion, And it was just like I just

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didn't even know where to go like at that point

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because it was just so strange, and I was just like,

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you're not making any like positive arguments, but they're just saying,

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you know, it is there's possible that there's a creator,

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but like why is it even like the Christian God specifically, and.

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is not in the world. There is no eminence, he's

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not involved in the world, so he wouldn't work to

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a defeater if he started to adopt That's why you

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what's missing in that equation, is like the transcendental argument

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something like that. It's also saying that the Christian metaphysic, Creator, creature, distinction, universals,

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all those things go into divine conceptualism, objective ethics, logic,

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all of those things necessitate and use and need the

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just any old quote theism like, oh, well, I just

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believe in a deism god. Well, the deism god doesn't

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do any of the grounding work because he's not involved

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in the creator. Or furthermore, why would we think there

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a shoot yourselfself in the foot situation. Andrew, guys, if

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you would hit, like and share, also, you could support

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the stream through super chats. Jake the guitar got ten dollars.

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If you want a dog on a Protestant I found

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a contradiction heresy machine. Matt Powell did a video saying

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that orthodox are leading you to the hell yeah. Somebody

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I don't. I mean, there's there's endless Protestant videos of

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I just think that it's not going to be anything

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that we haven't heard a million times. I mean, Martin

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is the best impression I have when I get together

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with my family. What is your best impression? I don't know.

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think the Terrence McKenna is good. People think the Nick

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What's up, man? Are you there?

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Speaker 14: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 15: I was calling I ordered your book on meta Narratives,

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philosophy and Symbolism.

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Speaker 16: I was I was wondering.

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Speaker 15: I haven't ordered Esoteric Hollywood, but I was wondering. And

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this has nothing to do with your discussion, although I'm

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Speaker 1: I'd like to be intelligent.

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Speaker 15: Enough on the subject to even debate. But I was wondering,

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what part of the Bible do you think is the

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most fertile, the best, most rich spot for a good

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foundation of symbolism? For I do oil paintings trying to

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expose the BT system stuff like that, but what and

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I think the Holy Spirit, are you there? It just

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kind of comes to me and then and then it

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just works out. But it'd be nice to actually get

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somebody who knows anything about this stuff. What's the most

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rich part of the Bible for a good foundation of

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's not like one area of the Bible

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that's unique or known for quote symbolism, because symbolism is

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those would necessarily be the place to start your biblical

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symbolic journey. I would start by maybe watching some lectures

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up with biblical symbology. Enari, you want to I'm are

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you there? So I'm looking for people who disagree. You

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go to the headlines. Silly boy, what's up? Please don't

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ask me akw ofcumen questions. Hello, yep, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 17: I'm just I'm really struggling with this whole God thing

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when it's there's people making these top tier arguments like

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I'm gonna kill you, and like what Chase Haggard was saying,

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it's just really man difficult.

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Speaker 10: Man.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Chase is quickly becoming one of the

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top atheist apologists, or I should say gnostic apologists. So

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I don't blame you personally. I'm scared to debate him.

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I don't know, what do you think?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I think I'm feeling as a white man. I

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should just go back to Yakoob.

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Speaker 3: I don't really know, but.

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Speaker 1: You know what, it might be the right path for you. You know,

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Chase is in the chat right now. He says, for

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two dollars, if you want truth, you should look into

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ang Katara and Soka. Those must be ancient titans. I'm

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not sure. He seems to have a lot of knowledge

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when it comes to that realm.

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Speaker 6: All right, I'll make sure to look into those.

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Speaker 18: I did have a question though, So I've been listening

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to a lot of Orthodox creators online and that kind

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of sounds like people are saying different things with monarchical

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trinitarianism and the monarchy of the Father. Are those different

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positions in Orthodoxy or is it like pretty much the same?

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Speaker 1: No, they're the same thing. Let me just watch doctor

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bo Branson. That's his expertise.

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Speaker 18: Okay, And then a second question. The other day, Fwentez

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said on his stream he'd like to do a collab

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Speaker 6: I was just wondering if you'd be interested in that.

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Speaker 1: We'll see, We'll see, all right, that's all I had. Yeah, Kube,

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feel a little nervous speaking to my creator year. I

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feel like I should do with some repenting and some fasting.

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But I didn't know Yakub would actually show up today.

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What's up, Yakub?

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Speaker 19: Hey, I've been listening to you for like a year now,

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and I really like what you do. You've been helping

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me kind of lean towards Orthodoxy, so thank you for

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your work. My question is, I'm really interested in like

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the twentieth century Russian Orthodox Church, and I think a

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lot of the figures there are like really interesting. And

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I've come across Florensky and I'm just wondering, what do

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you recommend I read to understand the controversy better? And

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are any of his writings like worth reading.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 1: I've only read what Loski says about him. He cites

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him and kind of comments on him in one of

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his books, so I'm not well read in him. I've

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read I've read Florowsky, Laski, Larshay, Mayendorff. Those are kind

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of the you know, Orthodox theologians I've read large amounts

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of I've not read Florensky, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I mean I've read others too. I've read Bulgakov. I'm

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not a fan of him, so I wouldn't recommend him

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at all. I've read others. I just don't know much

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about his his stuff. Redeemed, what's up? Mhm, Redeemed? Komer?

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Speaker 20: I mute?

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Speaker 3: Hey?

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Speaker 16: Jay, can hear me?

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Speaker 21: I got two questions, if that's cool, pretty unrelated.

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Speaker 16: First one is concerning the sacred name.

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the liturgy or is it appropriate to use?

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Speaker 1: Like I think the name is Jesus. Jesus is the

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tetragrammats on so.

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Speaker 21: So okay, So I mean, but well, like yahweh or

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other pronunciations Jehovah even though you know, I guess Jehova

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is probably not historical, uh Hebrew? Is there a reason

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it's not used more in the service in the Old Testament?

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say the Lord that's referring to that's who's referring to.

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I mean, is it is it set out loud in

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the Psalm zone.

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Speaker 1: We read the entire Bible throughout the liturgy and the

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readings like every one, they.

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Speaker 21: Do actually pronounce the name as opposed to substituting board.

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Speaker 1: I don't, I'm not. I don't understand if you're saying,

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do we not believe in the tetragrammaton or do we

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not pronounce the name of God?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, pronounce pronouncing the name as opposed to substituting board, which,

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if I understand.

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Speaker 1: We are not Jewsed, we don't have a problem saying yeahweh.

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Speaker 16: Okay, yeah, all right.

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Speaker 21: I was just most other denominations, you know, like translations

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use Lord as a substitute. So okay, good to know.

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And then my other question, I guess, uh, the Patristic

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position on death before the Fall, you were talking about

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evolution in a previous uh live stream, and so you know,

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all animals are created in their own kind, like carnivores

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that have sharp teeth, low pH stomach acid pretty definitely

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seem designed to eat meat, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the entire created order changed after the Fall,

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including all of these elements, such as the way that

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stomachs work the way that mosquitoes work. If you read

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the Genesis Creation Early Man text, which is now reprinted

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by Father Sara from Rosa goes into all this.

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Speaker 21: Okay, So a wolf before Adam's fall would have completely

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different dentition, and like.

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Speaker 1: Not even all of reality was different. The whole metaphysics

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of the created order changed after the fall. So this

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is why kind of in the West the fall is

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kind of thought of as this thing that just kind

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of damaged the spirituality of Adam and Eve. The Orthodox

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view is that it's a cosmic fall, and that's why

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Christ cosmically redeems all of reality.

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Speaker 21: Okay, I guess on that same question, then, was Adam

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sin well? I guess, I guess eve that Adam and Eve,

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like Lucifer, sinned prior to them, right, mm hmm. So

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like when all animals, like when death entered the world?

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realm outside of time, and the angels were judged in

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one instance, and they and so when Satan fell, he

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had already fallen. And then when Adam fell. Adam was

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created as this can you mute? It's just drive me

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crazy when there's an echo. So okay. So when Adam

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fell as the steward of the created order, it affected

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the entire created order. That's why death was introduced everywhere,

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animal death, plant death, decay, entropy, all of that entered

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through Adam's fall, and and thus all of the the

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natural world and even the universe was affected. And that's

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something again that is not really taught in Western Roman

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Catholic Protestant theology. That's why Orthodox theology with Saint Maximus

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to Confessor stress is the cosmic scope not just of

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the fall, but also of Christ's resurrection. So Christ being

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resurrected initiates an entirely new heavens and earth. So that's

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why all men are resurrected, and not just the righteous,

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because that universal restoration and recapitulation is fixing everything that

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Adam damaged through his fall. That doesn't mean everyone's saved,

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because each individual is going to be judged on the

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basis of how they used their will in their own

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personal mode of willing in the resurrection. So we're all

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going to be judged for that. But we are all

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automatically resurrected, no matter what, whether it's tiny mustache man

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Jeffrey Badonka donc you know it doesn't matter how bad

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you were, like, you're going to be as erected on

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the basis of Christ's work.

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Speaker 16: Okay, Am I still on?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Cool?

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Speaker 22: Uh?

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Speaker 16: Is that is that only humans? Or or is that

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all living things?

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Speaker 1: All of reality? I believe, I believe say Maximus is

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pretty clear about that too.

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Speaker 16: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a new heavens and a new Earth.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I definitely. I think I was on the same

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page as you there.

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Speaker 21: I just that's that's a totally new paradigm to the

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whole creation aspect of it.

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Speaker 16: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 21: The book you said, Father Sarah from Rose, which one.

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Speaker 1: It's called Genesis Creation Early Man. It was out of

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print for a good while and it's just now back

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in print.

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Speaker 16: Okay, Are there any other good reason?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a first created Man by Saint Simeon. The

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New Theologian is another good one.

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Speaker 16: Okay, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, great questions. Appreciate you. Uh, then what's up? When

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need more gnostic cholos? That was I was having fun with.

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Speaker 23: A little bit of pepper spray, a little bit of

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hapenio spray, a little bit of pepper spray, a little

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bit of ghost pepper spray, a little bit of that

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inside of the taito that will measure stomach ud bro plus.

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Speaker 1: It's really nasty. What's up man?

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Speaker 3: Hello? Hey, Oh, I got through.

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: A number of I guess I had a number of questions.

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Speaker 24: I suppose, Uh, why didn't you think that the Christ being,

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being a being of love and wisdom, would be able

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to save anyone who aligned with him? Yes, and so

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that it wouldn't necessarily be the case that you would

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have to be Orthodox.

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Speaker 1: Well, it would be if aligning with him includes requirements,

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which it does, so yes it does.

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Speaker 3: What would those requirements.

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Speaker 1: Be joining the Orthodox Church and repenting of your sins

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and living according to his teachings?

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Speaker 3: Well, what if you did the latter three but not

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the first, the latter three that you just listed, you know, Well, you.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't be obeying him if you didn't join the church

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that he said to join.

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Speaker 3: Where does he say to join the church?

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Speaker 1: Well, he set up apostles, he says, he who hears

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you hears me? And then at Pentecost, he sends his

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Holy Spirit to empower that church. They go out in

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the Book of Acts and set up that church. And

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that church is historical because we can trace back to

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the bishops, through the bishops, all the way back to

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Timothy and to Paul in Ephesis for example.

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Speaker 3: That didn't answer my question.

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Speaker 1: Explicit totally answered your question.

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Speaker 24: No, there's nowhere in the New Testament that Christ has

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joined the Orthodox.

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Speaker 1: Church, so he doesn't have to say the exact phrase

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joined the Orthodox Church, because the term is something later

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referring to something that already existed. What church do you

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think existed in the first century?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean it was basically.

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Speaker 24: Some of the original followers of Christ who probably were

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alive when he was a Canador.

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Speaker 1: You're not aware. You don't think we can go read them?

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Speaker 3: You mean the Gospels?

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Speaker 1: No, the first century? Oh, ignatious Clement, you don't think

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we can go read these people?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well they talk about being bishops, they talk about

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having a Eucharist, So what do you think those things are?

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What church is that?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm not sure what you told me.

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Speaker 3: What church would that be?

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Speaker 1: Well, you said there is no command of Christ to

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join the Orthodox Church, and I'm giving you examples of

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the church that he set up. What church is that?

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Speaker 4: Well, I would say, let's just focus on what.

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Speaker 3: His commandment was, which was to love one another?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Was that the only commandment he gave? Did he

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give other commandments? Why are we focusing on one commandment?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 24: Because I think that kind of trumps like this necessity that.

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Speaker 1: You But why you think that on what basis?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: Because firstly, the whole Christ being.

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Speaker 1: It's the Christ being. What's the Christ being?

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Speaker 3: The being of Christ?

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Speaker 1: How do you know the Christ being?

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Speaker 24: One can align with the Christ through one's thinking.

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Speaker 1: And how do you know that it's Christ? If it's feelings? Like,

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how do you know it's the right Jesus?

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Speaker 24: And you shall know them by their deeds? And so

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when I feel a sense of love?

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Speaker 1: So you're picking so feelings, right? But can that be deceptive?

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Can you feel like you know it's love, but maybe

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it was what you ate last night? How do you

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know that it's quote love?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's mainly through experience.

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Speaker 24: I can make a distinction between you know, how I

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feel after I eat?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So if I have a similar experience and I

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come to the opposite conclusion, how do we know who's

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right between us? Well? Uh, so this is just new

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age gibberish. So who is this Jesus you're talking about?

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about Christ?

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Speaker 1: Okay? What Christ? How do you know him from the gospels?

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Speaker 3: That's one way, yes, okay, Well, the.

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Speaker 1: Christ in the Gospels says the things that I'm talking about, Like,

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he has other commandments, other stipulations, for example, go forth

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be baptized, or he tells the apostles go forth baptized

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the right. So it's not just aligning with him in

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some generic, unknown sense. You have to do all these

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other things too, right.

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Speaker 24: I don't feel like aligning with Christ through ones thinking

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and feeling and through this is just a.

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Speaker 1: Total subjective, just nonsense, this gay stuff, jitsuck. What's up?

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So I mean in a debate, I can just say

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I feel like the opposite. So there we go. Yit sock.

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Speaker 3: My fault.

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Speaker 6: I don't mean their west what, I don't mean the request?

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, how many people are still over?

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Speaker 10: I don't know it.

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Speaker 1: So there's like two hundred and thirty people and nobody

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wants to come on. This is really odd because usually

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when there's two hundred and thirty people. There's like any

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people in line. So yeah, no, we can't just make

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up new age feely Jesus is like we want. It's

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just totally it's just another type of idolatry. Yes, Iran,

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I had no answer to the just nonsense new Age nonsense.

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Contemporary companion five dollars voting an ice is a g

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a pennini two pounds. The superchats are not tallying um.

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I think I set it to a high setting, so

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no one has super chatted to the limits that I

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put because there's superchats, and it's also not counting the

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superchats on stream labs because they're separate. Brendan Turner five

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dollars dang. I laughed so hard at that schizo. I'm

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glad you kept him on the line, except when he

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threatened you that schiitzods are dangerous. I mean, you don't

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usually you don't get a lot of gnostics that want

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to attack. That's that's a that's definitely a unique scenario. Innari,

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you want to try again. I know out of these

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two hundred and thirty people, somebody has some disagreements or

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some topics that they would like to discuss or debate.

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You can call in through Twitter. I'll give the guy

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you guys over here on YouTube another link once again.

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If you want to join, you can join right there.

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What's up, man, I'm yo.

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Speaker 3: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 20: Mm hm yes, Sorry.

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Speaker 25: I tried to call in earlier, but my mic was

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not connecting properly. Yeah, this is about monarchical trinitarianism. I

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was wondering because I was watching a debate with God

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Logic and he said something about how like, I guess

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this is the Western view that the essence is the

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identity is Yahweh by identity, and the persons are Yahweh

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by predication.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what he's talking about. What we don't

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go to God Logic for Orthodox theologies, I know.

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Speaker 3: I know that I'm just saying.

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Speaker 25: I'm asking about monarchical trinitarianism.

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Speaker 26: I'm asking if is it accuracy that the Father is God.

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Speaker 25: Is Yahweh by identity, and the Son and the Spirit

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is Yahweh.

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Speaker 1: I mean it just like the words, whether you're saying

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bipredication or identity, it's not that huge a deal because

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it's just a matter of what you mean by the

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words and all that's intended to signify is that the

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Father does not derive the divinity from another. He's the

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unoriginate one. But the Son and the Spirit do derive

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their divinity. They are caused. The Father is uncaused. So

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that's all that's intended to express.

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Speaker 25: Okay, because I guess it was specifically about the so

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called logical problem of the trinity, where it's.

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Speaker 6: Like, what is the I think the question.

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Speaker 1: We've already addressed this in the debate with Jake.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I have videos on the logical problem of the Trinity,

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so check those out. Joshua, my gosh, Joshua, are you

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going on mute?

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Speaker 20: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely.

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Speaker 27: I just wanted to do to do a shout out

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to Father Ananias and you great work.

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Speaker 16: Orthodoxy is the only way.

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Speaker 27: Don't be a beta cook and just just follow Christ,

547
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be strong, follow your traditions and and just you know,

548
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:37,319
start a family. Get away from the degenerative bull crap

549
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that's out there today.

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Speaker 3: That's oh my god, thank good.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on jord on what's up?

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Speaker 3: Man? Alright?

553
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Speaker 1: Doing what's on your mind?

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Speaker 28: I just want to hear your thoughts on like the

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current collapse of like the rejuvenated like conservative media.

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Speaker 3: What are your thoughts going on for do you think any.

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Speaker 1: New rejuvenated conservative collapse media?

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Speaker 16: No?

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Speaker 28: Yeah, because like you know, Candice Owens and like and

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then coming into the conservative space apart from Fox and

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the mainstream, and it seems like they've all just like

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turned on candas bring on my Miloianapolis.

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Speaker 1: You cut out Candace, what.

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Speaker 3: I'll bring on Miloanapolis or whatever his.

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Speaker 1: Name is, like the I know who Milo is, but

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you're cut out, So I didn't hear the question I

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know who Milo is?

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Speaker 6: What?

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Speaker 1: What's the question?

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Speaker 28: It's so, what do you think is gonna happen with

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like kind of like just the whole younger generation discarding

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these people?

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Speaker 1: Everyone is scarding Milo or discarding who.

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Speaker 28: Candace talker after kind of the nick Fintest thing and

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like tough calls in like pretending his dad wasn't c

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I A and when the clip show that.

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Speaker 1: He knew this a year ago, I mean, I don't

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has has a large portion you're saying everyone's abandoned him.

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I don't know, have they actually done that or is

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that what it's how do you determine that?

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Speaker 29: Well?

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Speaker 28: So like not even not even like well kind of

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what I mean, my abandon is like kind of just

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listen to him as like just brought like factual questions asked.

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Speaker 20: Like he's kind of.

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Speaker 28: Like now he's someone who's viewed as someone who needs

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to be like launched as well and can't be trusted everyone,

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at least my age and my age group kind of

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test though. I'm like, I'm not even like a big

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nick foin test guy, but just kind of like the

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weird change in talker on that topic and on that

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kind of censorship model just seemed really weird. So everyone

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I know, my age but ultimately follow around my age

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have to prove abandoned kind of trusting talker as a whole.

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Speaker 6: Is now viewed as like someone who has to.

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Speaker 28: Be like comsolutely factually checked. Are you a lot of

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anything said? And like two months ago it was like

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all these guys, this guy's.

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Speaker 6: The truth talent. I thinking it was Candace.

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Speaker 28: Kind of her backgrounds out though and the kind of

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the decisions she's made.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't, I don't really know what to say.

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I mean again, I've seen, you know, right when people

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have been fighting since forever, So I mean a lot

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of this reminds me of twenty fifteen sixteen A L

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T R I G H T stuff. It was all

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the same fighting. And you're a FED and he's a FED.

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They're all Feds. And I mean, I just don't know

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what what to say. I mean, I'm out here. I mean,

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people should be listening to me. How's that? That's that's

611
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my Like, I'm out here doing my media. People should

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be listening to what I talk about. And then everybody

613
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just wants to talk about the drama between Tucker and

614
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Kandas and Nick all day long. It's like, you know what,

615
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,159
in five years, nobody will remember and then we'll be

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on to some other media person and they'll be talking

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about the drama with that media person, and the people

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will be asking me, what do you think about the

619
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drama with this media? It's like, let's talk about what

620
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I talk about. How's that? Savio? What's up?

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Speaker 3: Hello? How are you doing?

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Speaker 6: Jay?

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Speaker 1: What's on your mind?

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Speaker 30: I can I ask your question regarding Ed m how

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can divine simplicity be true and both ed? When, like

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Ed says, there's like a real distinction.

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Speaker 1: How is the trinity true if the persons are really distinct?

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Speaker 20: MH, So ED is kind of like that when it

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comes to the.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Palamas makes exact same argument to barley On. He says,

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the distinction between God's operations and his essence is just

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as distinct as the persons are from one another.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but what the distinction is like, you don't.

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Speaker 3: Know, right, No, we do.

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Speaker 10: No.

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Speaker 1: I never said that the essence of God we don't know,

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but that there is a real distinction in the sense

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of the glory of God is really not the same

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thing as the creating of the world. I mean, just

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go read Palamas' one hundred fifty chapters. If you read

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ninety eight to one oh three, he does a bunch

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of reductios where he says that if you think that

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these things are identical, it reduces to absurdity. And everybody

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wants to argue over the term that you used, real minor,

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real major real. None of that even matters, because just

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read the reductios in ninety eight to one oh three

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and see if you think that that providence is really

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the same thing as eternal glory, and think about how

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stupid that would be if you can if you came

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to that conclusion, I gotcha.

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Speaker 30: Can I ask you a clarifying question, then sure would

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it be true then that Orthodox few of you difines simplicity.

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Speaker 6: Or is it something else?

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Speaker 3: If what said again, we hold it divines simplicity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, every Orthodox church father, all the church fathers say

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that we believe that God is simple. There's no God's

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not made up of parts. He's not composite, and the

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essence inurgi sinction doesn't make him composite, anymore than a

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trinity makes him composite. Ok, just go read Palamas people.

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I'm not fussing at you, but it's like, people, why

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do people just not go read dialogue between Orthodox and

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a Barleymi and it actually like everything you hear me

663
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say is literally just what he says in that andres

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what's up? Jonathan Kelly says five dollars five years from

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now we will hear the comment. What do you think

666
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about the drama between Jay Dyer and Joe Rogan. I

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don't know about all that. I don't know if we're

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ever going to see see that, but it would be funny.

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Speaker 5: Don't forget to everybody write Joe Rogan say we want

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Jane and FDA on that.

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Speaker 1: That would be pretty wild. I mean, I don't. It's

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weird that you saw he just had that that Calvinist

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guy on. It's like, what's what the Joe Rogan and

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the Calvinist Protestant guys. I don't understand.

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Speaker 3: That guy was awful.

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Speaker 6: Somebody said he looked like some like SS Rian dude

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with his.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean or.

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Speaker 3: Long?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks like an SS.

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Speaker 3: Like an Aryan. Did you see those Aryan dudes? I

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can prison with the long.

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Speaker 6: The long beards like that.

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Speaker 1: The SS didn't have beards. I'm confused. You're talking about

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like prison prison skinheads with beards. Okay?

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Actually I think that guy is a VET because I

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remember watching on his videos some years ago and I

689
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remember thinking who is this guy? And then uh, he

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had a video on bitcoin and I pulled it up

691
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and watched it and it was like Boocoin's going to zero,

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and I'm like, what the hell? So if you if

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you listen to this idiot, you would have been broke.

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I forget his name? Is YouTube channel something like five

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to seven or nine to five. I forget what it is,

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but anyway, go ahead, what is.

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Speaker 3: That guy's channel?

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Speaker 6: I can't remember. I forget the guy's name all right.

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Speaker 1: Let me say if I can pull it up, but.

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Speaker 6: It shows that I mean Rogan's changed a lot, I

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mean a lot, a lot.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yes, I think that's right.

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Speaker 1: Oh was he a Navy seal or something? Yeah, this

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is him three of seven Project, that's his channel. I

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remember coming across one of his bitcoin videos and it's like,

706
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oh he well, shit, man, he was. He was in

707
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the military. He must know about bitcoin. He's on the

708
00:39:56,599 --> 00:39:59,559
inside track. He must know. So dude, these guys just

709
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because you're a Navy seal and you were some like

710
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military grunt, even if you were in special operations, those

711
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people are some of the most brainwashed and conditioned people.

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If you didn't know, but somebody said that, uh yeah,

713
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this is it how I got rich with crypto. And

714
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if you watch the video, you think, oh, he's like

715
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talking to and then it's like all he's doing is debunking.

716
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It's a de booking video.

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Speaker 10: This this is it.

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Speaker 31: Yeah, until you Welcome back to another episode of truck Talk,

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brought to you by me inspired.

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Speaker 16: By my man Chiley.

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Speaker 32: I'm thankful that you guys are here this morning, and

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I'm gonna tell you guys how I got rich on bitcoin.

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Speaker 1: On this morning's episode. And if you watch this video,

724
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it's so low tier, dude, it's like all the most

725
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:03,000
like just Normy Fudd you've ever heard. It's like it

726
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:06,159
ain't a thing because it's the whole title of video

727
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,360
is supposed to be clear. It's a clickbait, and so.

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Speaker 4: Is Guess what.

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Speaker 33: You don't know what that computers are doing back behind

730
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the computer screens, what they're doing under you don't know.

731
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You don't even know that there really is a code

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back here. You just seeing numbers on the screen.

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Speaker 1: That's literally what he says in this video. It's terrible.

734
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Gainer's la five dollars. Do you have any thoughts on

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media and age verification. We talked about this today on

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the fourth hour of Lord Voldemort.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is obviously a covert operation for censorship. I'm

739
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not exactly sure what route they're going to go. I

740
00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:46,199
definitely don't believe that they're going to that they care

741
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about the youth. They're not doing this because all we

742
00:41:50,199 --> 00:41:52,039
care so much about the youth. I mean, this is

743
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the same people that like we have a Jeff Stein McCaffrey,

744
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you know, loving government. They're not concerned with the youth. Goodbye.

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Speaker 5: We have the Protestant guy doesn't believe in bigcoin because

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Protestants are, you know, obsessed with invisibility invisible church.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he should be like actually invisible for you. That's

748
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why I'm investing in. So he's a bit of a heretic.

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Speaker 33: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Well, I will say somebody said Sam Hi would probably

751
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be on there before Jay. I mean it's possible. Sam's

752
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,320
obviously got probably you know, five to ten times bigger

753
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audience than I do. But we have had like five

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people in the Rogan sphere on and you know, I

755
00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:44,800
mean we've done interviews and talks and shows with at

756
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:49,079
least five of the inner Rogan sphere. So we've had Tripoli,

757
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:59,559
Kurt Matsker, Alice Jones, and two more Eddie Bravo and

758
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,239
somebody else I can't remember. So it seems like maybe

759
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it's possible, but I have no idea, So, you know whatever,

760
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I'm not worried about it. I mean I'm having fun

761
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doing what I do, so whatever. And by the way,

762
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as Shane McGillis said, it actually takes like multiple appearances

763
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,079
on Rogan for it to actually really kind of blow

764
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:30,360
you up, Like just one appearance on Rogan doesn't really

765
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do much, but if you're on there like five times,

766
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then you can kind of blow up, which is I mean,

767
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that's what he said. So that worked for him. So

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who knows, maybe one day Antonios, what's up? Man or

769
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Andres Andres and then Antonios, what's up?

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Speaker 6: Hey?

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00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:47,159
Speaker 1: What's on your mind?

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Speaker 3: Hey?

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Speaker 16: So I can't ask any question, all right, just no topic?

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Speaker 3: Okay.

775
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Speaker 16: So I had a question. Have you ever seen the

776
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movie The Wave? What the Fifth Wave?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Chloe Moretz, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: You did any commentary on the director or anything?

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Speaker 29: Uh?

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Speaker 1: No, I did watch the movie. It was kind of

781
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like a you know, apocalyptic type of thing, but I

782
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don't remember much about it beyond that.

783
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Speaker 21: Okay, yeah, because I'm hearing around the news right now

784
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that median ship was coming towards Earth.

785
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Speaker 10: And all that.

786
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Speaker 1: So oh oh, I see what you're saying.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah.

788
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Speaker 1: The thing is though, that the claim of the alien

789
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ship coming towards Earth is from Auvi Loeb, who is

790
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one of these like totally sus He's like the Harvard Mit,

791
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,760
you know, alien professor, which I don't think is a

792
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very I mean, all the alien stuff's taken gay, so

793
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Andres are either.

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Speaker 10: I was at you.

795
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Yeah, I didn't mean to boot the other guy.

796
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I thought that's who was talking. Jacob, what's up Antoninos?

797
00:44:55,199 --> 00:44:59,880
I'm sorry? Antoninos is next? And then Jacob, what's up Antonino?

798
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:02,559
Antonino's pizza?

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Speaker 26: Hi?

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Speaker 29: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, I'm just going to.

802
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Speaker 34: Question while you're there with father than Ias for a

803
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hypothetical of sin entering the world, I was just contemplating

804
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the fall of Adam and Eve.

805
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Speaker 35: If they chose to have never seened, sin could have

806
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:36,519
still entered the world, in my opinion, through no means

807
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of man to intentionally do it. So as we can

808
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,960
injure ourselves, we can harm our brains, and you know

809
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,320
concussions can make people turn evil and do evil things.

810
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Speaker 1: Well, you would have had none of those things had

811
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they're not sended. So I don't see how you would.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So in the garden, it's interesting the word garden,

813
00:45:58,159 --> 00:45:59,960
you're not even going back to the etymology.

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Speaker 6: I think it comes from an old French word shut down.

815
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 5: It means protected area, and so we call it the

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garden because they were protected.

817
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Speaker 6: They weren't going to fall and hit their heads or

818
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like have something.

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Speaker 35: Okay, so even accidents like that that could call it

820
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bodily Yeah.

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00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: The garden, Yeah, however there would have been roving cholos

822
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:32,920
with pepper spray, so watch out for.

823
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Speaker 6: Is actually that's where bigcoin actually originated.

824
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Speaker 1: I don't know, the garden of yeah, or with thes

825
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in the garden and then it fell and.

826
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Speaker 3: It became.

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Speaker 5: Gold and stones.

828
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Speaker 4: Like like.

829
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Speaker 1: Like corrupt, Right, Okay, there's two hundred and fifty people

830
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in here. I know somebody disagrees out of these. There's

831
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,679
two one hundred and fifty people in here, and nobody

832
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,920
wants to come on the chat. You could come on

833
00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:07,039
and make any argument you want. You want, hit request

834
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,239
to speak, all right, I think we had this guy

835
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,519
on already, but he can come back church in your head,

836
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:13,280
what were you arguing?

837
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 3: I don't remember.

838
00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:21,159
Speaker 6: Uh yeah. I had a follow up question regarding the.

839
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Speaker 36: Father deacon, and I said that bishops like lp to

840
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,360
Forests are basically covered by the grace of God, and

841
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:33,559
bishop's other bishops that may contradict the faith or such

842
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:34,199
as maybe.

843
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 16: Be a humanist.

844
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Speaker 6: Yes, I'm trying to understand if that's.

845
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Speaker 37: The case, though, wouldn't the logical conclusion be that it's

846
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not about the faith, but about just being inside the

847
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true church circle.

848
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Speaker 1: No, it's a both, and you're you're oversimplifying.

849
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Speaker 10: The faith.

850
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but I mean there's like a legal process, right,

851
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,679
I mean you've got to be able to like, you

852
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,320
can't just be like, well, this guy's you know, he

853
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,719
did an action, so he's just automatically out.

854
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 6: But no, that's.

855
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 5: Exactly it is about the faith, because that's how you

856
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,159
excommunicate people, is when they go against the faith.

857
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 4: God.

858
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Speaker 6: There has to be an orderly legal process of doing that.

859
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Speaker 5: And what I'm saying is if it was simply like

860
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I hold something, it's not the faith, and that removes

861
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:34,639
the grace, think about how devastating it that means you

862
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:39,480
don't know any one time. Yeah, and you don't know

863
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:43,280
if anything's legitimate. You don't know if your marriage is legitimate.

864
00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:47,639
You don't know, because anybody can hold an incorrect thing

865
00:48:47,679 --> 00:48:50,840
about the faith at any particular time in private, so

866
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that the.

867
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Speaker 6: Opposite is just so devastating. Obviously God made it such

868
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,880
that like that couldn't happen, but it's yeah, I guess

869
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,320
I'm to follow up with that.

870
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Speaker 36: So like if somebody within Canonic orthodoxy, though they have

871
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:10,800
valid sacraments. But what you would say, I'm assuming you say,

872
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,920
correct me if I'm wrong that someone like an Oriental Orthodox,

873
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they who take their face seriously.

874
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Speaker 1: They've already been publicly excommunicated. That's that's a false analogy.

875
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:23,239
They've already been publicly excommunicated.

876
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Speaker 6: They're not in the church outside the arc like they're

877
00:49:27,159 --> 00:49:30,360
outside the arc. Okay, gotcha. And so when it comes

878
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,199
to like joint declarations.

879
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Speaker 36: Who decides, like who which bishop or patriarch has the

880
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,079
final say about like these joint declarations that, for example,

881
00:49:41,159 --> 00:49:44,360
the one with the Oriental Orthodox says they have the same.

882
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 3: Faith medical council. That's the only thing behind we know.

883
00:49:47,159 --> 00:49:49,559
Speaker 6: We haven't had no economical council on that.

884
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a bishop saying something at a meeting

885
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,400
or at a conference or something like that. It can

886
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,760
be wrong, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're automatically excommunicated.

887
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,079
We're not you know, trad cat Roman Catholics, where like

888
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you're automatically communicated when you make a mistake.

889
00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:07,639
Speaker 3: Okay, gotcha.

890
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Speaker 36: Okay, So if they're inside, if you're inside the canonical church,

891
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then there is guaranteed grace, But outside of it, there's not.

892
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the way that the councils themselves speak of

893
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the canons and the church.

894
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Speaker 6: Okay, gotcha, Okay, Now I appreciate the time. Thank you

895
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:28,679
so much.

896
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Speaker 1: I this is fun too, because we don't usually get

897
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this many people, two hundred and fifty people on.

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Speaker 3: X.

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Speaker 1: It's usually one hundred people on X and more people

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on YouTube. For some reason, I don't know what's going

901
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,559
on with Maybe it's because it's a Wednesday night, but

902
00:50:56,599 --> 00:50:59,360
there's less people over here. There's only eight hundred. We

903
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,679
just have about one thousand or more. So what's is there?

904
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,199
Is there some big event tonight? What's going on? What's up?

905
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Speaker 3: Man? All right?

906
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:10,039
Speaker 1: He can't connect.

907
00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 3: I don't know.

908
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: Come on now, out of two hundred and fifty people,

909
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,559
somebody in here has got to be disagreeing. Somebody's got

910
00:51:20,679 --> 00:51:25,960
to be disagreeing. A you want to try again? Thank

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Speaker 3: Hey?

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Speaker 38: Jay, I wanted to say, I think is a former

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Protestant and I'm.

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Speaker 6: Not a catechumen or anything.

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Speaker 38: I've just turned towards your Orthodox church. That's like one

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mega like a preacher from a mega church on YouTube

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the other night, and he went to seminary school, and

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he didn't need to know about the Orthodox Church. And

940
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:06,679
I can't imagine that it's widely known. And so when

941
00:53:06,679 --> 00:53:08,519
they when they when it was brought up about you

942
00:53:08,639 --> 00:53:11,360
going on Joe Rogan, that could be one thing, in

943
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,599
my opinion, that would hold that back.

944
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,559
Speaker 1: Well, uh, yeah, it could be, but I mean, you know,

945
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,840
I would imagine. I mean, Tripoli has even brought me

946
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,440
up on Rogan, and I'm sure Alex has mentioned me

947
00:53:25,559 --> 00:53:27,880
at some point, So it does seem like it, you know,

948
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,199
could be a possibility. But you know, that's a good

949
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,280
point too. Maybe he just hasn't heard about although I

950
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,320
do remember some years ago Rogan did at one point

951
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,840
in passing say what is this Orthodox Church? I'd be

952
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,480
interested in that because a lot of people were saying

953
00:53:42,519 --> 00:53:45,039
at the time, Hey, you should talk to him. But

954
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:58,760
maybe he's forgotten. Jesse, what's up man, Jesse? What's up?

955
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 6: Are you there trying? Hello?

956
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 3: Hey, okay, So have you heard of this guy Ammin Hillman?

957
00:54:13,079 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: I have heard of him?

958
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:17,079
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I think Jay, you're the man.

959
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 10: For the job to go on the Danny.

960
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,639
Speaker 16: Jones Show and to bake this guy.

961
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,159
Speaker 3: Have you heard of Buddy? Danny Jones was just on

962
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:25,719
the Joe Rogan podcast and.

963
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 35: He brought up Ammon Hillman and what he's saying, basically,

964
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:30,559
is it Christ.

965
00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 3: He's a he's a classicist, so he's saying the original.

966
00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: I'm awright, Yeah, it's it's like all blasphemous stuff. I'm aware.

967
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,960
I mean, I'm not a huge west Hoof fan, but

968
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:44,960
like even west Huff was pointing out how kind of

969
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:59,880
crazy the stuff he's saying is. Darius, what's up, Mira,

970
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,920
oh hero of five dollars? What did the Roman Catholic

971
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,960
Church be one of the ones that Christ told us

972
00:55:04,119 --> 00:55:06,440
to join? No, I'm not sure where you got that

973
00:55:06,599 --> 00:55:09,880
from anything? And I said, there's no. I mean in

974
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:14,960
the Orthodox Church episode succession is not some mechanical thing

975
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:17,840
that you have, Like, no matter what, if you lose

976
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:22,039
the faith, apisode, succession doesn't matter. Darius, you want to unmute?

977
00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:22,320
What's up?

978
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:28,199
Speaker 3: In? Hey? Jay? Thanks for having me on Hey, What's

979
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:28,679
on your mind?

980
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 6: I had a question regarding gnarcissism. So it's like a threefold.

981
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:42,079
Speaker 3: Question, Okay, one of one of tied into it.

982
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:45,159
Speaker 32: Is like where was and I don't know if you

983
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,639
addressed this on your YouTube videos if you have, you

984
00:55:47,679 --> 00:55:49,960
can just tell me now, like where was.

985
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 6: The Eastern Dutch Church during the Protestant Reformation?

986
00:55:57,159 --> 00:55:58,599
Speaker 1: What do you mean where was it? It was in

987
00:55:58,679 --> 00:55:59,440
all the countries?

988
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 16: Like how come?

989
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: Like this is what I'm thinking me first of all,

990
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:10,599
that the Greeks were under Turkish Ottoman nomination for many centuries.

991
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:16,559
I mean Martin Luther wrote to various Orthodox bishops and representatives. Yeah,

992
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:18,760
I heard about that, Okay, So what's the question.

993
00:56:20,519 --> 00:56:25,559
Speaker 32: My thinking was is like why didn't like why did

994
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,800
Luther make such a jump like from the Catholic Church,

995
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,599
Because what I'm thinking is because he did have conversation

996
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,840
with the Orthodox. I heard at first he said, I

997
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,840
do stand with the Orthodox. But and I know you

998
00:56:39,039 --> 00:56:42,480
mentioned that Protestantism and Calvinism, which I used to be

999
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:45,599
Calvinist leads to gnosticism.

1000
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 6: So I'm wondering, like where.

1001
00:56:48,639 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 32: Would you have where do you think the world would

1002
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:57,559
be if like the if the West wasn't, you know,

1003
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:01,440
just ruled by the papacy? How how would things have worked?

1004
00:57:03,679 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: I mean, do I think what.

1005
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 32: Like Renee the kartis like he was such like doubting everything.

1006
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,519
So I was thinking, like the Protestant Reformation. I think

1007
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:20,840
that's like the epitome of the fruits of just affecting

1008
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,119
renade the car just doubting you instead.

1009
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:29,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you could definitely trace Descartes's ideas and

1010
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:37,199
doubting to the Reformation. Eventually, let's see slutty Gorilla Biscuits

1011
00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:39,079
became a member what's up man, and it gave out

1012
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:43,440
a membership. Appreciate that. Circle Jerk became a member and

1013
00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:46,400
says for five dollars, I get a bit of pleasure

1014
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:52,239
watching Hebrew Israelizes making fool themselves. Now there's you should

1015
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,360
enjoy that because it's a insane, foolish cult. It should

1016
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,599
be mocked, it should be made fun of. I wish

1017
00:57:57,679 --> 00:57:59,360
we'd get some more Hebrew Israelized to call in. We

1018
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,199
haven't had any like bhis call in in several months.

1019
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,679
They would. They seem to pop in on TikTok, but

1020
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,960
I have a hard time being patient on TikTok is

1021
00:58:12,039 --> 00:58:16,239
just so stupid. And they haven't called in on Twitter

1022
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,199
in a while, so I don't know where the Bhiyes

1023
00:58:18,239 --> 00:58:21,559
have been, but they are a lot of uh. A

1024
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:25,400
lot of entertainment is found when they call in, for sure,

1025
00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:28,559
and they do seem to be growing, which we touched

1026
00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:31,920
on in the fourth Hour of Lord Voldemort. Today I

1027
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:36,199
see these videos of like armies of purple wearing bhi

1028
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:45,480
is marching. Uh so maybe maybe they're Yeah, and Andrew

1029
00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:47,920
made the point which I thought was He's pretty much correct,

1030
00:58:48,039 --> 00:58:52,760
is that basically in the black community, anything that smacks

1031
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,599
of masculinity is promoted or they're they're going to fall

1032
00:58:55,679 --> 00:58:58,039
for that, especially if it's some kind of dumb cult

1033
00:58:58,159 --> 00:59:04,239
because you know, Islam Bhi that's pushed towards black dudes

1034
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,719
because the churches are so faking gray. I'm speaking in general,

1035
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:14,599
like the average you know, Protestant Evangelical church is, you know,

1036
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:20,119
flying the rainbow flag and all that. So, guys, it's

1037
00:59:20,119 --> 00:59:22,719
open for him. If you want to ask a question,

1038
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,239
feel free to call in through the Twitter link there

1039
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,639
hit Request to Speak. I'll bring you up. If you

1040
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,760
like to make an argument, you can. If you disagree,

1041
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,559
you can make an argument against me. Make sure that

1042
00:59:33,559 --> 00:59:35,960
it's an argument. We don't care about how much pepper

1043
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,360
spray you've got. You won't take my wallet, well, I'll

1044
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,519
let my wallet in Elsa Gundo, So that Cholo needs

1045
00:59:41,559 --> 00:59:43,199
to head on over to Elsa Gundo to fund my

1046
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:52,599
wallet make sure I didn't miss it any super chats.

1047
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,880
What is the motivation of the ID age verification. I

1048
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,840
don't exactly know what they're gonna do. I've seen a

1049
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,119
lot of YouTubers and people commenting and even Lord Voldemort.

1050
01:00:06,039 --> 01:00:07,800
I mean, I know it's got something to do with

1051
01:00:08,039 --> 01:00:11,400
censorship or maybe just data collecting. I don't exactly know

1052
01:00:11,559 --> 01:00:16,119
how it's gonna be. I think maybe if we tie

1053
01:00:16,159 --> 01:00:18,159
it in with the AI. I think what's happening is

1054
01:00:18,159 --> 01:00:20,920
they're gonna flood the Internet with AI junk and slop

1055
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:27,000
and crap butts, then the Internet will kind of be worthless. Uh,

1056
01:00:27,159 --> 01:00:30,280
and then it's gonna be Oh, there's a crisis. We

1057
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,960
must verify who's real and who's not. That'll all be

1058
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:40,119
done through the age ID verification Internet somehow. That's I'm

1059
01:00:40,159 --> 01:00:44,199
guessing what they're gonna do. Mystical ape.

1060
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:51,559
Speaker 6: You, Jared, what's up?

1061
01:00:51,719 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 3: Hey?

1062
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 10: Hey man?

1063
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,239
Speaker 39: So I'm Asias gnostic wind Us.

1064
01:00:57,559 --> 01:00:59,639
Speaker 6: No, I'm just kidding, com playing around, but I.

1065
01:00:59,679 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 39: Think i'm question about have you ever been to the

1066
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,320
Minnesotan Orthodox Churches?

1067
01:01:05,079 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: No, I've never been to Minnesota.

1068
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty rough here.

1069
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 39: I was just wondering, been shopping around trying to find

1070
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,480
one that's not super liberal or anything.

1071
01:01:16,039 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: But I don't know anything. But I mean it is

1072
01:01:18,519 --> 01:01:23,039
Minnesota itself, like Boomer Yankee liberals everywhere.

1073
01:01:23,559 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh for sure, for sure.

1074
01:01:25,039 --> 01:01:27,679
Speaker 39: But I mean it's not so bad down south where

1075
01:01:27,719 --> 01:01:31,679
I live, farther away from the Twin Cities. Yeah, it's

1076
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:34,639
more chill. But there's no Orthodox churches outside of the city.

1077
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:39,039
That's the problem. I have a friend, but it's a

1078
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:44,000
heavy and it's in a rough neighborhood. It's in Saint Paul.

1079
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:45,039
Speaker 10: Uh.

1080
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 5: He's a pre stronglind Uh father Mercha but it's like

1081
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:52,719
all in Romania.

1082
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 10: But he's really conservative. But it's.

1083
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 6: It's in the rough area St.

1084
01:01:58,440 --> 01:01:58,679
Speaker 20: Paul.

1085
01:01:58,719 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 3: But it's a beautiful parish.

1086
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:05,159
Speaker 6: It's over one hundred years old. So wait, that's that's

1087
01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:07,840
the Romanian one. That's not the Russian one. Yeah, that's

1088
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:08,760
the Romanian one.

1089
01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:11,119
Speaker 3: I went to.

1090
01:02:14,119 --> 01:02:16,679
Speaker 6: I met the Greek priest one.

1091
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:18,639
Speaker 5: What is that on the Lake of the Isles or

1092
01:02:18,719 --> 01:02:21,880
what's I think that's Mary's Mary's Greek.

1093
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:23,079
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1094
01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:28,599
Speaker 39: Well, a good one we found was it's the Oca

1095
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,280
one Saints Hermann's Church, of Alaska.

1096
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:32,639
Speaker 10: That one.

1097
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 3: That one is pretty good.

1098
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,159
Speaker 39: I think that's where I'll start my catechiss seems pretty good.

1099
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,519
Speaker 6: You are you and you're down the south.

1100
01:02:40,679 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 39: Yeah, I'm probably like fifty minutes.

1101
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:47,639
Speaker 6: I would say, Okay, that's not that bad. Yeah, not

1102
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:48,400
too terrible.

1103
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, but all the you're not gonna get any orthodox

1104
01:02:52,239 --> 01:02:53,039
churches out there.

1105
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,719
Speaker 6: That aren't in the cities, oh for sure.

1106
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:56,119
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1107
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 6: No, it's mostly Catholic and Evangelical.

1108
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:01,159
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1109
01:03:03,199 --> 01:03:09,239
Speaker 39: But I did have a philosophy question too, Okay, yeah, okay,

1110
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,320
so I heard you speak on TAG quite a lot.

1111
01:03:12,599 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 3: Now, so obviously I don't subscribe to.

1112
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 39: This belief, But what about when they come back at

1113
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:19,639
you with, well.

1114
01:03:19,519 --> 01:03:22,559
Speaker 6: It's all just a construct and like, obviously, yeah.

1115
01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 3: We don't have any moral, any moral.

1116
01:03:26,199 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 39: Or ethical position that's solid. It is just all fluid,

1117
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:34,079
and you know it's just a construct. Then there's no

1118
01:03:34,239 --> 01:03:38,000
reason I ought to leave that position. They're telling me

1119
01:03:38,039 --> 01:03:47,079
it's true, right right, right? So yeah, well, I mean

1120
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:48,679
that's all I had for today.

1121
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 6: Thanks guys.

1122
01:03:50,119 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see. No, somebody said bitcoin won't work when

1123
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,679
there's no power. Well, first of all, I don't think

1124
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,679
that we're headed into the eighteen hundreds era. You know,

1125
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,760
great reset. I don't think they put all this into

1126
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,079
into any other thing.

1127
01:04:15,239 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 6: Is if there's no power, that's the least singing in

1128
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:17,760
a word.

1129
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: But like you think that you're gonna have better money

1130
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,079
or yeah, I mean I think if there's no power,

1131
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:26,440
like there's a lot of like it done. Yeah, we're

1132
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:30,800
in a different like and like your skills are going

1133
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:36,079
to be more invaluable. Gold might conceivably be what you

1134
01:04:36,119 --> 01:04:39,280
would return to in some insane scenario where there's no power.

1135
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,519
But I mean, even if there's no power in say

1136
01:04:42,719 --> 01:04:45,280
the US, let's say there's a war and like the

1137
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,320
power grid, I mean, do you actually think that there's

1138
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,119
never going to be power? I mean, the electricity might

1139
01:04:50,159 --> 01:04:52,280
be out for six months, a year, a few years,

1140
01:04:53,159 --> 01:04:55,280
the power will come back on. There will be places

1141
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,440
in the world where there is electricity. So this idea like, oh,

1142
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,440
we're going into a future where the world will be

1143
01:05:01,519 --> 01:05:04,159
without power. I mean this is very very very unlikely.

1144
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:10,119
I mean it's possible, but it's highly unlikely. The other things.

1145
01:05:10,239 --> 01:05:13,079
Speaker 6: Man, that's what they been watching too many Mad Max movies.

1146
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:21,159
Speaker 1: Also, people may not be aware, but Jack Dorsey has

1147
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:28,519
I think just for the first time successfully transmitted bitcoin

1148
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:33,719
without the Internet. So his new pioneering thing. They have

1149
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:37,199
used bluetooth now for transactions, so you can actually try.

1150
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,880
I mean, this is it's in the beta phase, but

1151
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:43,280
this is pretty revolutionary because you know, oh, what are

1152
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:47,159
you going to do when there's no Internet? Well, you

1153
01:05:47,239 --> 01:05:50,079
can actually transact with bitcoin now without the Internet, which

1154
01:05:50,119 --> 01:05:50,639
is pretty big.

1155
01:05:50,719 --> 01:05:56,519
Speaker 5: And actually what I'm working on a project, it's called telekinesis.

1156
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:59,119
Speaker 3: Bitcoin you yeah, through your mind.

1157
01:05:59,159 --> 01:06:02,199
Speaker 6: You don't even need We're all just connected on a

1158
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:03,119
mental server.

1159
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 3: We don't even need the Internet.

1160
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,599
Speaker 1: Let your rhythm. Two dollars peepee poop poop. Okay, there

1161
01:06:10,679 --> 01:06:14,880
we go. We know we're reaching the apex of super chats.

1162
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,519
When we're at the point of just peepee poopoo super chats,

1163
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:21,679
I'm just kidding. I don't mind, uh, Peter Stan ten dollars. Yeah,

1164
01:06:21,719 --> 01:06:25,719
but what about Agrippa's trilemma Oh yeah, owned by a

1165
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,480
not so aerudite fan in the chat putting me in

1166
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:29,119
my place.

1167
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,039
Speaker 6: That would be another great credit coin to.

1168
01:06:33,639 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 4: Coin.

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Speaker 1: There you go, there's a mean coin that's destined to explode.

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Doctor eyeball ten dollars. He also says, what about Agrippa's

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trilemma thank you for your work and your content? Yes, exactly,

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that's you just say. If you just kind of repeat

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philosophy terms over and over and over, you can't lose

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01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:51,440
a debate.

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Speaker 6: Somebody should do that, like you're you know, let's say

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imagine and Corey, yeah, like you're on it. But I mean,

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we got these testimonies against me.

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Speaker 3: But have you ever thought about a grip of tree?

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Speaker 6: Lima?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but what about yeah, but dasign right? Life being?

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01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:12,559
I mean life being, life being. I just repeat philosophy

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phrases over no river. Hudson Preston said, hand, you see

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your uh noumana, noumana? What's up?

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01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 29: Man?

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01:07:23,519 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: Yep?

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01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I got twelve funko pops. You know what

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do you think I should do with them?

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Speaker 1: Well, the exchange rate for funko pops in Eastern Bloc

1189
01:07:33,719 --> 01:07:37,719
countries is actually one wife four five funko pops. You

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could get five and a half wives almost, or to

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excuse me, two and a half wives, two and a

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half wives.

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Speaker 6: How am I gonna get half a wife?

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01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 1: Exactly? That's for you to figure out and for me

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01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:56,519
to enjoy. Y s M what's up?

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Speaker 10: Hy s M?

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Speaker 1: Amute? Why am why? I am c? Hello, sir, Helloosa.

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Speaker 10: And man?

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Speaker 40: Could I ask her just a question about dissolution of

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category in the afterlife, such as not having a wife,

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not having a child or siblings or any friends, or

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like personal special exclusive love between other people.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you may ask that.

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Speaker 3: Oh sorry, I thought i'd cut out there.

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Speaker 6: I didn't come through.

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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about it like it's an odd question.

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So the question is, can I ask a question about

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the dissolution of love in the afterlion?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 3: Sorry?

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Speaker 41: Now is there room for personal love like in between

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other people in the afterlife?

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Speaker 3: Like exclusive love?

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Speaker 41: Because isn't there after in the afterlife, there's a dissolution

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of there's no more concept of having friends or children,

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or there's no births, there's.

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Speaker 1: No well no, the relations still obtain. You'll never stop

1218
01:09:15,239 --> 01:09:18,039
being your the son of your mother. So what do

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you mean?

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Speaker 10: Right?

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Speaker 6: But there will be no there will be no new children.

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Speaker 1: Or am mm hmm. So that doesn't mean that the

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love relations that exist now go away.

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Speaker 14: Okay, just not new ones. Sorry, yes, okay, right, Uh well,

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thank you for your time.

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Speaker 26: So that was sure.

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Speaker 1: Uh splend splind.

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Speaker 10: I'm you, Hello, Jay dire m hm. It's really a

1229
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:09,640
big pleasure to which my band.

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Speaker 1: What's up, man, what's on your mind? What's on your mind?

1231
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:18,399
Speaker 10: What's on my mind? I cannot actually, first of all,

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believe that I am speaking with you. I don't know

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why I entered on you.

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Speaker 1: Well, I am an adva, so I do condescend sometimes

1235
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to talk to the plubs.

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Speaker 10: Okay, I have two questions. There are a little bit

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big questions though.

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Speaker 26: The last day I was speaking with a guy who

1239
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was believing in the faith only salvation.

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Speaker 3: I think you are more knowledgeable in this topic.

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01:10:47,359 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 26: And he was like telling me that if you only

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believe in Jesus and you just say that, you will

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for sure go to heaven. And it's it seemed to

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me it's simplistic, makes sense to you. Do you have

1245
01:11:04,319 --> 01:11:07,960
any commentary on that? I just don't know how to

1246
01:11:08,039 --> 01:11:09,640
ask this question. Yeah, I think I have.

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Speaker 1: I have several videos that refute sola fide or justification

1248
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by faith alone, so I would just look up, you know,

1249
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:20,239
some of my critiques of Protestantism and justification by faith

1250
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alone that are on the clips channels or on my channel,

1251
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:25,640
not trying to be dismissive. It's just I'm a little

1252
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:29,000
too tired to kind of rehearsal that tonight. But mister goodfellow,

1253
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,039
twenty dollars day, thank you for contending for the faith.

1254
01:11:32,079 --> 01:11:34,960
Would you debate oneest Pentecostals and the training. Guys, if

1255
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,279
you've got friends that are into weird, stupid theology or whatever,

1256
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:40,880
send them the link to come on here. I'm not

1257
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:45,359
going to go out trying to find a oneeness Pentecostal person. Yeah,

1258
01:11:45,399 --> 01:11:48,000
they can come here anytime they want, and that's why

1259
01:11:48,039 --> 01:11:50,640
we do this is to allow them to come and

1260
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,800
have these conversations. So, if you've got friends that are

1261
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:56,239
into oneness, We've had one nest Pentecostals modalists call in.

1262
01:11:57,199 --> 01:11:59,680
I'd say probably twenty of them have called in over

1263
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:03,920
the last five years. They are spreading like wildfire. They

1264
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,119
need to be exposed. Well, we actually have quite a

1265
01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:13,119
few responses and interactions with them. If you would like

1266
01:12:13,119 --> 01:12:14,960
to support the stream, you can do so through super chats.

1267
01:12:15,119 --> 01:12:17,920
Send a super chat through stream labs and YouTube doesn't

1268
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:19,199
take a cut, or if you have to, you can

1269
01:12:19,239 --> 01:12:29,199
send a super chat through YouTube. Guys. Uh, I'm just

1270
01:12:29,359 --> 01:12:34,000
mystified by the number of people listening and the number

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of people not calling in. This is unheard of. I've

1272
01:12:37,239 --> 01:12:41,760
never seen this kinds of disparities in the numbers and

1273
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,439
the stats. I don't understand. How do we have only

1274
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:48,520
six hundred people on YouTube two hundred and fifty people

1275
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,199
and nobody wants to call in. It's just never like this.

1276
01:12:51,399 --> 01:12:53,760
I don't understand. Maybe it's all bots. Maybe Elon has

1277
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sent out bots on Twitter.

1278
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:00,399
Speaker 10: And uh.

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Speaker 1: Uh so info Wars posted today's show. I wonder if

1280
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:12,039
Alex is gonna post it. If you did, if you

1281
01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:17,119
missed it, we did do a good interview with Andrew today. John,

1282
01:13:17,159 --> 01:13:25,399
what's something they're all scared? I don't know about that.

1283
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:27,840
I mean we it seems like there used to be

1284
01:13:29,279 --> 01:13:32,399
just a steady stream of you know, people coming on

1285
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:36,159
to argue and debate. John, you want to mute?

1286
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 31: Yeah, I just wanted to remind you you have like

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ten different topics pulled up on your.

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Speaker 3: Knack to go through.

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Speaker 8: If the calls are getting stale like this.

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Speaker 1: One, well you don't have to be stale, doll. You

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01:13:57,119 --> 01:14:02,000
ain't stale. You fresh. Yes, we could get it. We

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could get into some of the topics. I just figured

1293
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we would have, like usually there's like people just piled up,

1294
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and if there's this many people, two hundred and fifty,

1295
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it's just really rare to see no one calling in

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01:14:14,239 --> 01:14:17,000
disaster chief. Usually there's like, if there's that many people,

1297
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there's like twenty people on line.

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Speaker 6: Oh.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize. So Andrew is debating a black keeper Israelite.

1300
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Oh he's debating like that really crazy one Zari Yak.

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Oh my gosh. So everybody's watching that debate. That must

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be what's going on, disaster? What's something?

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01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,560
Speaker 3: Man? Hey, how's it going?

1304
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 10: Jake?

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01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:42,079
Speaker 42: You know I heard that, you know, not as many

1306
01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:44,640
callers if this is something that you can point to

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a video.

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Speaker 6: Or it's you don't want to hash out.

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Speaker 41: I get it.

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Speaker 42: But I've been getting deeper into TAG, kind of evolving

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01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:56,159
out of a slow boy understanding and really starting to

1312
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get into the weeds of it. And when I'm debating

1313
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with people, I've got some new questions and I think

1314
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:05,640
are a bit more thoughtful. The first one is there

1315
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is a Protestant friend of mine who I really respect,

1316
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but he was saying that TAG is a form of

1317
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natural theology, which I'm not going to pretend to know

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a lot about but I know that that's something we

1319
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:20,479
at least from your position, is kind of rejected. So

1320
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,560
what would you say to that criticism that's a form of.

1321
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Speaker 1: Natural It's I mean, this is the mistake that Trent

1322
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Horn made. Go watch the debate with Trent Horn. Trent

1323
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:34,079
Horn thinks that natural theology is just using reasoning and

1324
01:15:34,199 --> 01:15:38,439
logic exactly, and that's not what natural. Natural theology is. Quote,

1325
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reasoning about God apart from any reference to divine revelation.

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That's how it's defined. So using things like logic and reasoning,

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01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:50,760
which you know are part of nature, they're part of

1328
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,720
human nature, having the faculty of reasoning, that doesn't equate

1329
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,880
to natural theology. So it's actually a word concept fallacy

1330
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and a category error. Joshua Cook, what's up? Joshua Cook? Yeah,

1331
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I mean I don't blame people for, you know, wanting

1332
01:16:10,039 --> 01:16:12,880
to go like these black keeper Israelite debates. Man, they

1333
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:17,880
are something else. They are definitely entertaining because like the

1334
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the stuff these people believe is it's next level. Dude.

1335
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It's like, I mean, you talk about word like you

1336
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,479
talk about word concept fallacies, like when you get into

1337
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:33,039
the Black Keeper Israelite version of word concept fallacies. It's impressive,

1338
01:16:33,239 --> 01:16:37,720
like the way it is very awesome, but it's impressive

1339
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:41,800
with how wild they'll get with Like right here, you

1340
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see this text that talk about Jesus happened. Uh h

1341
01:16:46,039 --> 01:16:49,920
in the song are Songs My Beloved is dark skin?

1342
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It's like, wow, you think that's proof that Jesus was black?

1343
01:16:55,239 --> 01:16:59,520
That's insane? Or what's the verse about?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 1: When John sees Jesus glorified and.

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Speaker 10: It's like.

1347
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Speaker 1: I forget that, I forget the verse, but it's something

1348
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:14,079
about his hair and it's like, oh see that's that's

1349
01:17:14,199 --> 01:17:17,720
a kinky hair right there. What's up, man, Josh?

1350
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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, Jenny, Hey, I was just curious.

1351
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Speaker 43: It's all in the Philosopher and Out of Russia Alexander

1352
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Dugan and uh, it seems like he's pretty based orthodox,

1353
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,600
trying to call you know, the Russian people back to

1354
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Orthodoxy and traditionalism. Just wanting to get your thoughts on that.

1355
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Speaker 6: I think he's biased.

1356
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 1: He's a he's I mean, I get paid by Vladimir

1357
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Putin in Dougan coin. Don't haven't you listened to the

1358
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Roman Catholics. They they literally pay me in Soviet Coin

1359
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to talk about Dugan. And also I'm secret Croleyan because

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in the nineteen eighties Dugan said he liked Croley. So

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I mean, I think that Dugan is insightful when he

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critiques Western Atlantis's geopolitical theory. I think he's got good

1363
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critiques of Darwinism. But if you read Fourth Political Theory,

1364
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the last chapter is just super gnostic and not orthodox

1365
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at all. So I think there's pros and cons with Dugan.

1366
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But as to how Orthodoxy's theology is, I'm not sure.

1367
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But that's pretty much what I've thought about Dugan for

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the last I don't know ten years push or t

1369
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We got actual rappers calling in. Now a rapper you

1370
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:41,600
have the name of a rapper?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's that is my name. I don't know

1372
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what this is.

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Speaker 32: I google the.

1374
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Speaker 6: Call in and like went to YouTube live and this

1375
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:51,640
how you boys doing?

1376
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:52,119
Speaker 3: What's going on?

1377
01:18:52,319 --> 01:18:52,600
Speaker 10: So us?

1378
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a debate stream. What's on your mind?

1379
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 6: What's on your mind?

1380
01:18:57,279 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 1: All the things listed in the descriptor?

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Speaker 3: Oh word?

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Speaker 32: Uh?

1383
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 3: What's the the general topic of conversation?

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Speaker 15: How does this work?

1385
01:19:05,039 --> 01:19:06,520
Speaker 16: Did I just get to chat with your films?

1386
01:19:07,159 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 1: It's a debate stream, and the debate topics are listed

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in giant bowl print after the word debate.

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Speaker 10: Get it?

1389
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Speaker 6: So what well, what's your tape on God?

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Speaker 1: God exists and we believe in the Orthodox Christian view

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of the Trinity.

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Speaker 13: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Can you break that down like like sentence sentence and

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a half like.

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Speaker 8: Real quick of like what your like main belief is?

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Speaker 1: Orthodox Christianity believes in the Bible. I believe in the

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Apostolic succession. Uh, it's the Christianity that you read about

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in the Church Fathers, the second largest quote branch of

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Christianity in the world.

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Speaker 3: What else from me?

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01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 10: What else?

1402
01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 3: Your one question for you?

1403
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 34: So?

1404
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 3: Where did you grow up religious? I?

1405
01:20:03,039 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 10: Did? Yeah? How old do you know?

1406
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:06,600
Speaker 6: Uh?

1407
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,640
Speaker 1: Should have to think for a second. In my forties.

1408
01:20:09,359 --> 01:20:13,319
Speaker 6: Okay, the word? Do you have a lot of religious friends?

1409
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 8: Are most of your friends similar faith to you?

1410
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:17,319
Speaker 6: Or at least Christians in general?

1411
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:20,319
Speaker 3: We just got rid of all the other ones.

1412
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,640
Speaker 1: Many of them are yes, did you What do you

1413
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:27,039
mean he's joking? Yes, many of them are.

1414
01:20:29,119 --> 01:20:30,079
Speaker 20: Well, Okay, I.

1415
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 6: I want you to try to convince me because I

1416
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:36,039
am one of you guys.

1417
01:20:36,079 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 3: Don't see anything to like.

1418
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:37,520
Speaker 6: Me very much?

1419
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 27: Not you guys specifically, but the Orthodox Fellas, because I

1420
01:20:43,319 --> 01:20:46,479
don't know what kind of God there is, but I

1421
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:47,319
do not.

1422
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:51,600
Speaker 6: Believe that it is like the Abrahamic like that guy,

1423
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:57,159
I don't. I just don't see. I guess, like I just,

1424
01:20:57,279 --> 01:20:59,800
I find him to be relatively cruel.

1425
01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:02,079
Speaker 3: And I'm not a huge fan of the idea of

1426
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:04,079
me having because.

1427
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 6: I'm sure that there is something going on up there,

1428
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:07,960
and if I'm wrong, then sure, I'm damned for But

1429
01:21:08,119 --> 01:21:10,279
like I just, I don't see it as worth my.

1430
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:14,199
Speaker 31: Time to have this obligation to devote myself to this

1431
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:16,079
I'm mean present being that.

1432
01:21:16,119 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 6: Apparently has my best interest in mine. But also if

1433
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,319
I do my own thing and do not give myself

1434
01:21:21,319 --> 01:21:23,560
to him entirely, I will be damned for return.

1435
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:25,159
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1436
01:21:25,239 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 6: That's my biggest problem with it.

1437
01:21:27,399 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, maybe maybe that's not the path

1438
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:36,359
for you protest proto clitus. What's up man?

1439
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 41: Hello?

1440
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:47,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, one second, let me try to fix.

1441
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 3: Okay.

1442
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,560
Speaker 44: Yeah, So I was just wondering what your take was

1443
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:56,600
on because I know, obviously libertarianism doesn't have a justification

1444
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:59,960
for I guess like the non harm, non aggression principal,

1445
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:04,359
But since we are in like a liberalized society, we

1446
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:07,359
can't like obviously push the view of monarchy.

1447
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:09,079
Speaker 6: It just wouldn't work out in our system.

1448
01:22:10,079 --> 01:22:12,600
Speaker 44: I was wondering what you kind of thought about just

1449
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:16,960
for more practical reason, siding with more like Austrian libertarian

1450
01:22:17,119 --> 01:22:21,640
ideas just for practicality basically, And if so, what books

1451
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:25,279
you could recommend on that, because I watched your bitcoin

1452
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:28,000
stream and you referenced a lot of books there, but

1453
01:22:28,079 --> 01:22:30,439
I can't find any of them at any libraries or

1454
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:32,439
bookstores within like fifty miles of me.

1455
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 6: You.

1456
01:22:34,319 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a huge fan of bezos, but

1457
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:39,119
you don't order books from the internet? What do you mean.

1458
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 44: Usually they're a lot more expensive and I'm on a budget.

1459
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,600
Speaker 1: No, if you get them used on the internet, they're

1460
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:48,319
usually cheaper.

1461
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:55,600
Speaker 44: Okay, I'll double check that, But yeah, I still wondering

1462
01:22:55,680 --> 01:23:00,960
what you kind of thought about voting from more Austrianic practices.

1463
01:23:03,119 --> 01:23:05,079
Speaker 1: Uh, well, I mean, I don't even know that voting

1464
01:23:05,199 --> 01:23:08,680
even does anything. Voting itself is kind of like I mean,

1465
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:11,600
other outside of like the local level, I don't know

1466
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:16,840
that vote voting really does much. But I don't really

1467
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,840
think any of this stuff even matters other than for

1468
01:23:20,359 --> 01:23:25,560
you as an individual, uh, you know, figuring out a

1469
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:29,279
way to you know, create a savings which I think

1470
01:23:29,319 --> 01:23:32,439
for most people, that's what bitcoin would function as kind

1471
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:34,439
of your replacement. I mean, I can't tell you what

1472
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:36,840
to do. I'm not a financial advisor, but like if

1473
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:40,960
I was, you know, doing let's say, if I was

1474
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:44,680
a blue collar, working class dude and not a fabulous

1475
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:50,319
celebrity haughty hot cop ediva, I would utilize that as

1476
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:53,079
kind of my savings account, right, Like, so you know,

1477
01:23:53,159 --> 01:23:56,399
people have quote savings accounts. I don't know why you

1478
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:58,760
would have a savings account because you don't get anything

1479
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,199
from saving in dollars and you lose money over time.

1480
01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:05,399
But I mean I think for the average person it

1481
01:24:05,399 --> 01:24:08,079
would it would function better for something like that. So

1482
01:24:08,199 --> 01:24:11,760
people think of this as like some sort of investment

1483
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:13,880
where you put money in and get out really quick.

1484
01:24:14,239 --> 01:24:18,279
I don't think that's wise for the average person. I mean,

1485
01:24:18,319 --> 01:24:20,920
this is like the new version of a savings account.

1486
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,800
And if you read the seipha De Bitcoin Standard book,

1487
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:26,439
he's kind of just pointing out that what we used

1488
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:30,119
to do used to do a savings account and having

1489
01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:32,319
a savings account and you know, earning some money on

1490
01:24:32,399 --> 01:24:35,279
that or whatever. That doesn't really exist anymore because they

1491
01:24:35,359 --> 01:24:39,680
really started pushing people living in debt, living on credit

1492
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:43,680
cards and so forth, and punishing people who tried to save.

1493
01:24:44,079 --> 01:24:48,319
And the devaluation of the dollar, amongst many things, also

1494
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:52,640
punishes people who save. So you know, look into something

1495
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:58,840
like that and the Bitcoin standard through savings polar bur

1496
01:24:59,039 --> 01:25:06,039
what's up, Circle Jerk? Look up the artist John Ward

1497
01:25:06,079 --> 01:25:08,199
in the song Killer Whale. You will thank me later

1498
01:25:08,399 --> 01:25:10,399
or he says, You're welcome. Don't let your memes be

1499
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,319
your dreams. I've not heard of John Ward. I'll have

1500
01:25:13,399 --> 01:25:15,640
to check that out. He says, also for five dollars.

1501
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:20,880
Do you have thoughts on Acts seventeen the YouTuber? Are

1502
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:24,520
you talking about David Wood? I've done a few streams

1503
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:29,319
with Rid Vaughan and David Wood. I don't think he's Orthodox,

1504
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,920
but he is the stepping stone and he is the

1505
01:25:33,119 --> 01:25:35,439
terror to Islam. I think David was really good when

1506
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:38,920
it comes to debating Islam, and I've learned a lot

1507
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,800
from David Wood. But you know, as Orthodox Christians, obviously

1508
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,520
we don't agree with sort of the evangelical Protestant approach.

1509
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:47,079
What's up, polar Birr.

1510
01:25:49,119 --> 01:25:52,039
Speaker 20: Hey, Jay, I was just wondering, like, what's your position

1511
01:25:52,399 --> 01:25:53,960
on like Ukraine, Russia Ward.

1512
01:25:55,279 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 3: And so I only probably addressed this, but.

1513
01:25:59,079 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: I think that it was agitated by the West. I

1514
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,920
think the West did not adhere to the Minsk agreements.

1515
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,680
I think the West engaged in the coup. They funded

1516
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:12,239
it through Soros money, the CIA, the snipers, Orange Revolution.

1517
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:17,960
So I think that it's classically a Russian territory and

1518
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,960
should not be. I'm not a huge fan of NATO.

1519
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:23,880
That doesn't mean I think that Putin is perfect or

1520
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:27,119
Medvedev's perfect or anything like that. But I definitely think

1521
01:26:27,159 --> 01:26:28,800
that the West is on the wrong side of this one.

1522
01:26:31,359 --> 01:26:32,640
Speaker 3: Okay, interesting, Okay, thanks.

1523
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why they push the neo Nazis in Ukraine.

1524
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:42,079
John McCain goes over there and those tours with them.

1525
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:46,840
It's all the old Cold War ascu me, post World

1526
01:26:46,880 --> 01:27:02,039
War Two Gladio Galen Network stuff. Kenny, what's up Kenny one?

1527
01:27:02,079 --> 01:27:02,319
Speaker 10: On you?

1528
01:27:04,319 --> 01:27:06,319
Speaker 6: Hi Hi?

1529
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:10,560
Speaker 10: I have a few questions for you.

1530
01:27:11,399 --> 01:27:17,199
Speaker 29: I've been listening to tons of your videos, like.

1531
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 10: A few a day for a while.

1532
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:24,039
Speaker 36: Okay, and I don't I don't really know what I

1533
01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:24,800
am anymore.

1534
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 29: I thought I was Protestant, I don't. I don't know

1535
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:32,079
what type of Protestant I am. But I grew up

1536
01:27:32,199 --> 01:27:37,720
in a Christian household. My dad's whole family is Lutheran.

1537
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:43,199
Speaker 22: My mom and dad decided that there was a lot

1538
01:27:43,239 --> 01:27:47,039
about Lutheranism that wasn't biblical, and so I guess we

1539
01:27:47,119 --> 01:27:49,800
would be considered evangelical Protestants.

1540
01:27:51,079 --> 01:27:53,239
Speaker 3: That totally split my family apart.

1541
01:27:54,399 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 33: And so I have a lot of.

1542
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:04,119
Speaker 29: It's all kind of it doesn't really make sense anymore,

1543
01:28:04,279 --> 01:28:06,039
like the schism between our family.

1544
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:10,199
Speaker 6: But after listening to some of your videos.

1545
01:28:10,279 --> 01:28:14,640
Speaker 29: But anyways, the thing I wanted to ask is, I'm

1546
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:21,600
totally like questioning Protestantism entirely. And but one of the

1547
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:25,039
things that I was thinking about, and maybe it's not

1548
01:28:25,119 --> 01:28:27,800
a disagreement, but I'm just hoping you can prove me wrong,

1549
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:32,159
I guess, is that one of the things I really

1550
01:28:32,239 --> 01:28:37,119
hate about Protestant churches is that they don't all seem

1551
01:28:37,119 --> 01:28:40,520
to be on the same page. They disagree with each other. So,

1552
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:43,479
like I said, my family doesn't like they think we're

1553
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:48,840
going to Hell, but they don't agree on anything that

1554
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:52,600
they don't like all of each other. It's like kind

1555
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:58,760
of all over the place. But I started googling like

1556
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:01,640
around me or box churches to go to, and I

1557
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:05,159
was like bamboozled by all the different ones. And then

1558
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:09,199
when one of your videos you post, someone called in

1559
01:29:09,319 --> 01:29:11,119
and asked, like, which one should I go to? And

1560
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:14,960
you used to Serbian, Romanian, Russian or Antioch And I

1561
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:16,319
hope I'm pronouncing that quickly.

1562
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 1: Those just usually tend to be pretty good. It's I mean,

1563
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,680
it's not like what I would actually say is because

1564
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:27,279
different people, situations are different. I would visit the ones

1565
01:29:27,319 --> 01:29:30,840
that are close and make the decision not so much

1566
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:35,119
on the basis of the name or the jurisdiction, but

1567
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:39,199
like where you you find the people and the priests

1568
01:29:39,279 --> 01:29:43,479
to be the best, that's more important than like the jurisdiction.

1569
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:48,239
Speaker 29: Okay, so okay, then maybe that answers my question.

1570
01:29:48,399 --> 01:29:50,560
Speaker 3: So they all believe the same.

1571
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:56,560
Speaker 1: Thing, it's just okay, Yeah, the difference is there will

1572
01:29:56,600 --> 01:30:02,560
be either ethnic or linguistic. But most of these churches

1573
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:08,800
now in America are getting more and more converts, so

1574
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:13,720
there's more, there's more and more you know, American native

1575
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:16,840
English speaking people in a lot of these churches in

1576
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:19,880
the last few years than there was like six years ago,

1577
01:30:20,039 --> 01:30:22,520
because like six years ago it was a lot of

1578
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:24,960
ethnic parishes and people. If people wanted English speaking, it

1579
01:30:25,079 --> 01:30:29,079
was like Antiochian or Oca. But yeah, I think you

1580
01:30:29,119 --> 01:30:30,319
should just check them all out.

1581
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 29: Okay, Because I was giggling to myself and I was like,

1582
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:37,840
me and my southern family going into a Russian church.

1583
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:39,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, we're not going to know what's going on.

1584
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 6: But anyways, okay. So the other question I had, and

1585
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,079
maybe it's just that my poor experience.

1586
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 1: The one thing I would say to avoid is when

1587
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,600
you see Coptic, that's not Orthodox, So don't go to

1588
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:53,359
the Copper tack.

1589
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:54,640
Speaker 6: Okay, got it.

1590
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 29: The other question I had, and this is maybe like

1591
01:30:58,119 --> 01:31:01,199
my negative experience with a lot of churches school.

1592
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:05,279
Speaker 6: Of boomers, is I have toddlers.

1593
01:31:05,119 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 29: And so like, are Orthodox people like really friendly with

1594
01:31:09,239 --> 01:31:10,359
kids like in fans.

1595
01:31:10,399 --> 01:31:13,279
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah. In fact, they they're part of the liturgy

1596
01:31:13,399 --> 01:31:14,319
and they commune.

1597
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 6: So yes, okay, okay, so they don't have This is

1598
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:22,800
really a point.

1599
01:31:23,399 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 5: So Sunday school is actually a Protestant thing because in

1600
01:31:29,079 --> 01:31:30,720
Orthodoxy the kids are.

1601
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 1: Running around, they're in the service yeah.

1602
01:31:34,359 --> 01:31:35,359
Speaker 3: They're in the service.

1603
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 29: Really.

1604
01:31:36,319 --> 01:31:39,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a huge difference.

1605
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 5: It's a huge difference. Yeah, they're they're not removed from

1606
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:43,600
the service.

1607
01:31:44,399 --> 01:31:45,239
Speaker 6: They go to school.

1608
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:49,399
Speaker 5: Now, if they do Sunday school, it's after the service

1609
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:53,039
or something like that, but it's never when we were

1610
01:31:53,079 --> 01:31:57,079
growing up Protestant, it was, oh, the adults go to

1611
01:31:57,199 --> 01:31:59,479
the church service and the kids go to Sunday school,

1612
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:02,199
so the family's broken up.

1613
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:04,319
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay.

1614
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 5: In Orthodoxy the kids are running around its babies crying

1615
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:12,319
like it's it's very organic and family orient.

1616
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:15,239
Speaker 3: Okay, that's good to hear.

1617
01:32:15,359 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 29: I really love that because my three old son hates

1618
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:21,680
going to Sunday school, and Sunday school is actually where

1619
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:25,720
I learned that, like America was supposed to love Israel,

1620
01:32:27,279 --> 01:32:27,920
so which I.

1621
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:32,119
Speaker 1: Don't know that Orthodox churches are not Zionists. We don't.

1622
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:34,079
We don't follow Zionism at all.

1623
01:32:34,239 --> 01:32:37,359
Speaker 6: So yeah, that's from I kind of noticed that.

1624
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:41,720
Speaker 29: But it's anyways, I feel like there's a lot going

1625
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:43,720
on in Sunday school classes.

1626
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 1: For like, when you have little kids, you think.

1627
01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:47,279
Speaker 3: Of these things.

1628
01:32:47,359 --> 01:32:50,079
Speaker 29: You're like, what are you teaching my kids or are

1629
01:32:50,079 --> 01:32:55,199
you just throwing hot wheels at them? Okay, last question

1630
01:32:55,319 --> 01:32:55,640
I had.

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Speaker 16: Okay, so what is the.

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Speaker 1: I can't hurry againstick out what's what?

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Speaker 3: Sorry?

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Speaker 29: And I'm probably not going to use all the correct

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01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:14,239
terminology here, so just bear with me. But I've been

1636
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:22,600
listening to you talk about the trinity, and can you

1637
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:26,680
tell me the Orthodox position on where Jesus was tempted

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by Satan and then also the passage where he's in

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01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:35,520
the garden a getsemone and asks for the cup to

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be taken from him. I don't I don't understand how, like,

1641
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:49,479
how could he be tempted if he's God, if they're one.

1642
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:53,119
I know he has a physical body, I forget that,

1643
01:33:53,399 --> 01:33:56,279
but how could he be tempted? And then and then

1644
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:59,319
when he asks for the cup to be taken from him,

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and he separates.

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Speaker 1: His not literally he distinguishes his will from the will right,

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01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:07,439
so he has a human will and he has a

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01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:09,960
divine will. So that's this wise Orthodox we think that

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01:34:10,039 --> 01:34:13,600
there's two wills. Those wills are never out of a chord.

1650
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:17,119
They're always in synergy because for us, will is a

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01:34:17,159 --> 01:34:20,640
property of nature, and Christ always retained two natures, even

1652
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:24,520
when he was incarnate, even when he died, and even

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01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:27,600
when he was resurrected, there's the full deification of the

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01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:32,640
human will, but it never loses it's created at natural property.

1655
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:35,960
So to be specific, though, the answer to what you're

1656
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:38,680
asking about the death of Christ or shut me the

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01:34:39,159 --> 01:34:41,520
prayer in the garden and the temptation. As Orthodox, we

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believe that he's a divine person, meaning that the subject

1659
01:34:45,119 --> 01:34:49,760
is divine, and when he's tempted, the temptation is occurring

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01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:54,960
according to the external situation that he's in. So there

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01:34:55,039 --> 01:35:00,439
was never within Christ any internal move towards sin or

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towards selfishness or something like that. Because he was not fallen.

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He is the new atom, and because he's born of

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a virgin and he's not born of Adam's progeny in

1665
01:35:13,159 --> 01:35:17,479
the sense of having ancestral sin, the virgin birth ensures

1666
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:21,800
that Christ will not have any internal movements towards sin

1667
01:35:22,159 --> 01:35:24,720
in terms of his human nature. So he's a divine

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01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:27,279
subject with a divine nature, and he has a fully

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01:35:27,399 --> 01:35:31,119
human nature that he assumed in the incarnation, and the

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01:35:32,199 --> 01:35:35,960
temptations are real in that they are really presented external

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to him. He really does have bread. That's you know,

1672
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,960
is presumably there that Satan's offering him when he's in

1673
01:35:43,039 --> 01:35:48,319
the desert, in the wilderness. But because he's not fallen,

1674
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:52,880
he's not ever internally like, you know, oh, I'm almost gonna,

1675
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:56,720
you know, violate God's law. And there's a distinction that

1676
01:35:56,800 --> 01:36:00,319
we make in Orthodox theology that Saint Maximus talk about,

1677
01:36:00,399 --> 01:36:06,199
particularly in at the Lassium, where he distinguishes the blameful

1678
01:36:06,279 --> 01:36:10,720
passions and the blame less passions. The blame full passions

1679
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:14,560
are what we experience being human beings who are descendants

1680
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:17,960
of Adam and who do have ancestral sin or original sin.

1681
01:36:18,159 --> 01:36:21,439
So we are born with a tendency to sin, to

1682
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:24,119
do things that are wrong, to fulfill our passions, to

1683
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:31,279
choose the vices, to be selfish, to choose gluttony, drunkenness, lust, whatever,

1684
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:34,199
those are the vices. Those are things that we consent

1685
01:36:34,359 --> 01:36:39,159
to because we have an internal movement towards those, because

1686
01:36:39,239 --> 01:36:41,960
of the fall, and because of what we call blame

1687
01:36:42,159 --> 01:36:46,119
full passions. Jesus had no blame full passions because he

1688
01:36:46,279 --> 01:36:50,119
was not subject to original sin, but he did willingly

1689
01:36:50,279 --> 01:36:55,359
take on the blame less passions, namely things like being hungry,

1690
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:59,000
being thirsty, and not wanting to die. So in the

1691
01:36:59,079 --> 01:37:02,760
garden when he prays. And this is Maximus's dispute with Peuris.

1692
01:37:03,239 --> 01:37:05,560
They have a debate over this. It's a it's a

1693
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:10,000
little book called disputation with Pearis being a divine subject

1694
01:37:10,119 --> 01:37:15,920
and having a a blame less desire not to die.

1695
01:37:16,119 --> 01:37:19,199
There's nothing blameful about, you know, not wanting to die.

1696
01:37:19,279 --> 01:37:23,960
It's something natural. Jesus, even though he doesn't want to die,

1697
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:28,720
submits to the will of the Father and chooses to

1698
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:32,119
undergo that death because the Father wills it and for

1699
01:37:32,319 --> 01:37:35,439
our good and for our salvation. So hopefully that helps

1700
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:41,479
to answer that question. And I think Mason your next

1701
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:56,000
H Brosey ten dollars. Appreciate you, H Brosey, But I'm

1702
01:37:56,039 --> 01:37:58,359
not going to read that one because she was sincerely inquiring.

1703
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:03,880
So I appreciate your super chat. What's up man, Hey,

1704
01:38:05,119 --> 01:38:05,800
what's on your mind?

1705
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:06,640
Speaker 3: Hey?

1706
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:08,720
Speaker 44: So, first off, I just wanted to say I love

1707
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:12,960
when you come on the Alex Jones show on Info Words.

1708
01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:18,239
Speaker 3: This is the first time taking into the spaces. Thank you.

1709
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:23,239
So I know this is supposed to be a debate and.

1710
01:38:23,239 --> 01:38:26,479
Speaker 4: I'm definitely not here to necessarily debate you.

1711
01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:29,640
Speaker 16: And if anyone's got a problem with what you are saying.

1712
01:38:30,399 --> 01:38:31,720
Speaker 4: I hope that they come up and.

1713
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:34,439
Speaker 16: Push back.

1714
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:36,560
Speaker 1: We don't have to debate. You can ask questions, dud,

1715
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:37,079
it doesn't matter.

1716
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:41,640
Speaker 16: Okay. My first question is what is the difference, because

1717
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:42,359
what's the.

1718
01:38:42,399 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 24: Difference between Orthodox Christian and non denominational Christian? Because I

1719
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:51,000
consider myself a non denominational Christian.

1720
01:38:52,079 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 16: But it sounds like.

1721
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:57,600
Speaker 3: I agree with I mean, it was so far right.

1722
01:38:57,640 --> 01:38:59,760
Speaker 1: Well, so what I would say is, you know, go

1723
01:39:00,079 --> 01:39:02,520
watch you can look at a documentary like the Icon

1724
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:05,920
documentary or something like that. I think if you're a Protestant,

1725
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:10,359
most people who encounter Orthodoxy and are not familiar, they

1726
01:39:10,399 --> 01:39:12,239
would see it as they would think, oh, this is

1727
01:39:12,319 --> 01:39:16,000
some quote Catholic thing. So we do have absolute succession,

1728
01:39:16,119 --> 01:39:19,600
we do have a tradition. We do have you know,

1729
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:23,199
high church liturgy with vestiments and smells and bells and

1730
01:39:23,319 --> 01:39:25,800
so all those things would be you know, things that

1731
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:30,800
Orthodoxy has that you would probably think are quote Catholic. Clouds.

1732
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:34,279
Maybe we'll call it an evening after this. What's up, Clouds?

1733
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:46,279
Speaker 3: Hello, what's on your mind? Hey?

1734
01:39:46,520 --> 01:39:49,359
Speaker 20: I just want to say things for your immense.

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01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:49,680
Speaker 3: Body of work.

1736
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:52,119
Speaker 45: I've just been watching your videos daily for a few

1737
01:39:52,199 --> 01:39:55,000
months now, and it's cleared up a lot of things

1738
01:39:55,039 --> 01:39:56,840
in my head that I sort of held true to,

1739
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:59,880
And I was quite surprised just how many like work

1740
01:40:00,039 --> 01:40:01,640
concept fallacies I had that.

1741
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:02,680
Speaker 3: I just didn't even know.

1742
01:40:03,079 --> 01:40:05,600
Speaker 45: It's kind of just like wincing and cringe at it.

1743
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:09,560
But I had a few questions, if you wouldn't mind.

1744
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:14,079
The first one was a personal one, just in your

1745
01:40:14,119 --> 01:40:18,560
own journey. I said that you went to Orthodoxy and

1746
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:21,359
then back to Catholicism. I was just curious what that

1747
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:24,840
swing back was about when you first came into Orthodoxy.

1748
01:40:25,039 --> 01:40:28,680
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't come in because I was I was

1749
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:31,720
a catech human and I was taking classes, and I

1750
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:35,680
was still very Augustinian and Tomistic in my thinking. So

1751
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:38,159
there were certain things that I struggled with at that

1752
01:40:38,359 --> 01:40:42,600
time that I hadn't really read really in depth into,

1753
01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:45,199
like the essence center distinction, stuff like that. I encountered

1754
01:40:45,279 --> 01:40:48,039
some of the issues and the topics, but I hadn't

1755
01:40:48,079 --> 01:40:52,159
read significant amounts of literature on it. So I just

1756
01:40:52,359 --> 01:40:56,000
wasn't ready. I had so much Latin Western baggage in

1757
01:40:56,079 --> 01:40:59,039
my head. I also at that time fell for a

1758
01:40:59,079 --> 01:41:02,960
lot of the paper quote minds most of which have

1759
01:41:03,079 --> 01:41:06,119
been kind of debunked and dealt with for me as

1760
01:41:06,159 --> 01:41:08,640
far as I'm aware. I mean, I say most of

1761
01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:10,760
which is because every now and then a Roman Catholic

1762
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:12,600
can dig up some quote that you're not familiar with.

1763
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:15,680
But that's what it was back in two thousand and

1764
01:41:16,279 --> 01:41:18,840
I don't know. Eight I think was when I when

1765
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I was fluctuating between Orthodoxy and in Rome.

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Speaker 6: Lovely, Yeah that makes sense.

1767
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:29,439
Speaker 45: I just I'm doing a lot of zizoring myself, but

1768
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:31,960
now I'm sort of finally on track to enter to

1769
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the Orthodox Church maybe early next year.

1770
01:41:35,119 --> 01:41:38,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, like like, uh, there's a

1771
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:40,960
lot of materials and things that are coming out now

1772
01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:43,439
that like that I didn't have access to it. We

1773
01:41:43,479 --> 01:41:46,880
didn't have back then. So for example, you know Sishensky's

1774
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:51,840
books that talk about Orthodoxy and the papacy or history

1775
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:56,439
of the Philioquay, or George's new book that just come out.

1776
01:41:56,600 --> 01:41:58,760
It came out eras of the Latins volume one and two. Like,

1777
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:00,560
we didn't have a lot of this stuff back then,

1778
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:02,720
and so it was kind of like, you know, very

1779
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:05,800
few internet resources, a few blogs, few websites, and then

1780
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:10,159
kind of trying to sift through tons and tons of

1781
01:42:10,279 --> 01:42:13,079
you know, papal quote minds and stuff like that. So

1782
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:17,119
things are a lot better nowadays in terms of kind

1783
01:42:17,119 --> 01:42:19,920
of getting to the meat of the issue quicker than

1784
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:24,279
then was available. In two thousand and seven, JB. Pilty

1785
01:42:24,359 --> 01:42:26,439
a two dollars to become a chat NERD one's first

1786
01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:30,479
be a slow boy chase. What's up, man, This is

1787
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:35,359
a different chase. This is the less bigoted chase.

1788
01:42:37,119 --> 01:42:40,119
Speaker 3: Cool. I didn't know which chase was bigoted, but I'm

1789
01:42:40,159 --> 01:42:41,279
way better than the last.

1790
01:42:41,159 --> 01:42:42,479
Speaker 1: Chase, exactly exactly.

1791
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:45,920
Speaker 6: Hey, Jay, Hey, I have a question.

1792
01:42:47,199 --> 01:42:51,000
Speaker 31: I've been kind of like stepping my way into Orthodoxy

1793
01:42:51,039 --> 01:42:55,479
for a while now, but dude, it's so annoying. Like

1794
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:59,079
I don't mean to like hate on them, but like

1795
01:42:59,239 --> 01:43:02,239
so many of like my Protestant friends people have Milen

1796
01:43:02,319 --> 01:43:05,840
pastors have been like clemonizing the Orthodox.

1797
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:08,159
Speaker 1: Well, it's cause so many people are converting and they

1798
01:43:08,159 --> 01:43:08,720
don't know what to do.

1799
01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:09,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1800
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:14,359
Speaker 8: I had a question about the essence energies distinction.

1801
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:20,039
Speaker 31: Okay, So I before I started going to Orthodox parish,

1802
01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:24,079
I was going to an Anglican one and he was Orthodox,

1803
01:43:24,359 --> 01:43:26,319
and he was basically saying, no, this is like, a,

1804
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:32,119
this is a big heresy because it introduces potentiality to God,

1805
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:36,680
and he never explained that, and I can't see why

1806
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:37,159
it would.

1807
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:39,680
Speaker 8: So I was just wondering, have you heard that before,

1808
01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:40,960
like somebody saying that.

1809
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:45,319
Speaker 31: The essence energies distinction, because it's a real distinction, would

1810
01:43:45,439 --> 01:43:47,560
introduce potentiality into God.

1811
01:43:48,359 --> 01:43:54,239
Speaker 1: Well, if you read the Barnes text or if you

1812
01:43:54,359 --> 01:43:59,720
read you know, debates about the modal collapse argumentation in

1813
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:02,720
A since it does because God really does have the

1814
01:44:02,840 --> 01:44:06,760
ability to choose to create or to not create, and

1815
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:10,640
that's why you can't reduce God to act as purists

1816
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:16,000
as Thomas do. So the Cappadocians just don't even see

1817
01:44:16,039 --> 01:44:17,760
this to be a problem. The only people who see

1818
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:20,960
this to be a problem are people who have Roman

1819
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:25,479
Catholic Toumistic assumptions about metaphysics first and then God has

1820
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:29,520
to be squeezed into the box of Tomistic Aristotilian metaphysics,

1821
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:33,000
where actually it's more so Platonic metaphysics than it does

1822
01:44:33,079 --> 01:44:36,279
even Aristotilian, because Ariosol actually believes in the Essen centeri sinction,

1823
01:44:36,359 --> 01:44:39,560
he's kind of the father of it. But it's actually

1824
01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:45,399
a Platonic idea that simplicity must mean no sense in

1825
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:48,560
which God possesses the ability to do or to not

1826
01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:53,600
do something. Yeah, pure act, right, right, And we do

1827
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:58,760
believe and use the terminology of God being actus, purists

1828
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:01,199
or pure act. But if you read the two hundred

1829
01:45:01,239 --> 01:45:04,880
chapters of Saint Maximus, the first five pages, he distinguishes

1830
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:07,119
when we do and when we don't use this terminology. So,

1831
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:11,319
for example, if we talk about is the divine essence

1832
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:19,079
strictly speaking, is it composite? Is it susceptible to change?

1833
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Speaker 10: No?

1834
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:25,800
Speaker 1: Does? If we can trast God to creatures, can we

1835
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:28,359
call him pure act? Yes, So these are the situations

1836
01:45:28,439 --> 01:45:33,359
in which the terminology of pure act is used. But

1837
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:37,319
we don't, for example, say that person is essence, it's

1838
01:45:37,399 --> 01:45:41,359
reducible to essence, and that God is strictly identical to

1839
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:44,359
pure act, as Thomas do. Because again, if you read

1840
01:45:44,359 --> 01:45:48,279
one hundred fifty chapters, if you look at paragraphs ninety

1841
01:45:48,279 --> 01:45:51,479
eight to one oh three, Saint Gary Palamas does a

1842
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:54,760
series of reductio arguments where he shows that this just

1843
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:57,279
kind of ends up in absurdity. If you say that

1844
01:45:58,359 --> 01:46:03,479
the attribute of divi providence is identical to the attribute

1845
01:46:03,680 --> 01:46:07,920
of the eternal glory of God. Then we end up

1846
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:09,960
with eternal worlds. It's just silly.

1847
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:12,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, totally silly.

1848
01:46:12,159 --> 01:46:15,520
Speaker 31: I had one more question if that's all. Yeah, So

1849
01:46:16,279 --> 01:46:19,560
in like I'm I don't believe in solar scripture. I

1850
01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:21,520
haven't for a while. That was one of the things

1851
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:24,479
that made it really easy to come to orthodoxy. But

1852
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:28,760
it's just like it's so weird when somebody tries to

1853
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:31,560
pull up like the Church Fathers, and obviously the church

1854
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:36,520
Fathers have such high reverence for you know, scripture obviously,

1855
01:46:37,039 --> 01:46:40,399
but they'll like pull up a scripture or like a.

1856
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:42,880
Speaker 8: Quote from them to like prove sola scriptura.

1857
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:45,640
Speaker 31: But it's just them saying that you need the scriptures,

1858
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:47,840
we should weigh everything against the scriptures.

1859
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's never a solo scriptura. It's just like

1860
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you know, yeah, yeah, scriptures are authoritative, they're not the

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only authority.

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Speaker 31: Yeah, But when you look at it, like from a

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philosophical they're always like, well, it's the only thing that

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comes from God, or it's like it's God breathed. But

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if I'm looking at it this like correctly, like it

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still goes through a man writing it down.

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Speaker 8: Yes, it's it's divinely inspired, it's from God.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, well, the church fathers also make they also

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make the analogy to the incarnation, that the doctrine of

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inspiration is analogous to the synergy that occurs between Christ

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to nature's right. So likewise, the inspiration of the scriptures

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is analogous to there being. There is a human element

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to it, there's also a divine element.

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Speaker 31: And so my point is you could have the same

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thing with tradition, you could have the same thing with

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the church. Yes, it goes through men, but it's by

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God that we can have these councils be infallible. I

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don't see it almost seems like special pleading on like

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the Protestants side to say scripture can be this way

1880
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but and that it's almost like, yeah, scripture is the

1881
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only reason why it can be this one because it's

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from God.

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Speaker 1: But well, how did so, like before Moses, how did

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God's people worship and love God since as far as

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we know, they didn't have any written form, Well, they

1886
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were doing it orally and through tradition. So yeah, it's

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it's kind of silly when Protestants sort of have this

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as far as he can always points out. It's a

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very modern assumption. It's like, well, we all just read

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the book, and it's like, well, not everybody even had

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access to the book or could read in the ancient

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medieval world. So thank you guys so much. I think

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I've had I'm a little worn out now I'm getting

1894
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kind of mush mine. So remember two if you want

1895
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to come see me at the Ludwell Conference, I'll be

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speaking there with Jim Jotris and Metropolitan Jonah and Buck

1897
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Johnson and maybe I forget who else is going to

1898
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be there, but several people will be speaking. You can

1899
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get the tickets in the show description. A third annual

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level conference in Stafford, Virginia, and then we will also

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be having in November our conference down here in Florida, myself,

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Metropolitan Jonah, the Father, Vladimir Father, Deacon doctor Anonias, and

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probably several other people that are in the works circle

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Jerk five dollars. How often do you do these streams?

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Usually two or three times a week, but you know,

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sometimes it varies. I've been exposing my cousin a Orthodoxy,

1907
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he's Baptists. I wanted to call in. Yeah, people call

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in through Twitter, so you call in through the ex link.

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Let's see if we got any more, doctor iball one dollar.

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Here's a dollar for father Deacon and Ias to create

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telepath coin. Okay, well I'll send that dollar to him.

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Mister goodfellow, I know we read that one. Yeah, all right, everybody,

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have a good night. H Brosey. I love you, Bro,

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but I appreciate the super chat, but I'm not going

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to read that one just because she seemed like an

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honest inquirer. Last person, Cornelius, you're the last one tonight,

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last call.

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Speaker 10: What's up?

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Speaker 1: Cornelius?

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Speaker 3: Hello?

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Speaker 20: Yo, So I think ten or fifteen minutes ago you

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talked about a little bit of about Ukraine. I respect

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your work in theology and geopolitics, but I see don't

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don't see a difference between what the Russian state media

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says and your position. Could you operate? What is the difference?

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I really don't see very different.

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Speaker 1: Well, the question is is it wrong or right? Not

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which media outlet or what person says it, because that's

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just a genetic fallacy're ad hominem. So there's an is

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did NATO keep to the Minsk agreements and not expanding?

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Speaker 3: There is no misagreement?

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Speaker 1: Uh, there there wasn't what do you mean.

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Speaker 3: Well, not on paper? It's okay, Well.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't it part of NATO? Wasn't it part of NATO's

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original mission to not expand.

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Speaker 20: That That's what politicians said verbally. But there's no agreement.

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But there is an agreement, that memorandum, which in which

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Russia has verified the territory of Ukraine. So I really

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don't understand why even you don't you say that parts

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of Ukraine are Yes, they are, even Russia has signed

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the agreement of the Buddhapesta Memorandum or I don't know

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what's called in English.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but I mean historically though it's it's the heart

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of Russia.

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Speaker 20: Right Well, heart is a bit vague, but vague is

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historically it is historical.

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Speaker 1: Then it's not vague if you if you ad meant

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that it is historically.

1949
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Speaker 3: There's still you can't.

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Speaker 20: You can't divide the world in where countries had their

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historical centrist or even there there.

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Speaker 1: Really you can't start with that, so you would have

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a new war, right, But I mean, you know that

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it is historically Russia, right, uh?

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Speaker 3: On parts of it?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Okay, all right? So is as all battalion and

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right sector and probably sector those are good guys. No, okay,

1958
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so who are the good guys here? Because you know

1959
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the good guys apparently.

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Speaker 20: What what what you mean by who's the good guess?

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There's so many wars in which there is no clearly

1962
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good side, So I don't see that that's up.

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Speaker 3: So what what?

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Speaker 10: What?

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Speaker 1: What's the answer here? So I'm wrong? What specifically am

1966
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I wrong about?

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Speaker 20: Well, I'm I don't understand your position.

1968
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Speaker 1: That I mean, I just stated what I thought was

1969
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the case. I mean, let me ask you.

1970
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Speaker 20: This has the what it's historically everyone knows it.

1971
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Speaker 1: But wait a minute you said a minute ago. Well,

1972
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now you're being deceptive because a minute ago you said

1973
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that you can't really say it's a heart of Russia.

1974
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But now you're saying that, oh, well everybody knows that

1975
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it was it's part of Russia.

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Speaker 20: No, no, no, no, I don't mean that, don buss Crimea.

1977
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This was part of the old rules. I don't know

1978
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what's what part of I wouldn't call it the heart.

1979
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But all this is not relevant because yes, you know why,

1980
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because if we start to think about what relatory uh

1981
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five hundred years ago, then we where in the world,

1982
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wouldn't we have a war?

1983
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Speaker 1: So nothing's relevant. Nothing's relevant historically because we're not.

1984
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Speaker 20: It's not agreements, agreements which of states that have signed them,

1985
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for example.

1986
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Speaker 1: U N or the U s C, the U N.

1987
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So that's what's rollant, the U N.

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Speaker 20: NO bilateral agreements, much as the Buddhapesta memorandum where Russia has.

1989
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Speaker 3: Signed the agreement.

1990
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you, let me ask you a questions.

1991
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So did do you think that was the as correct

1992
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and good when they set up multiple bioweapons labs all

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around Ukraine in Russia?

1994
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Speaker 3: No?

1995
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Speaker 1: No, okay, So but wait a minute, now you're agreeing

1996
01:55:12,399 --> 01:55:15,079
with Russian state media. So you're a Russian propagandas now,

1997
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I don't.

1998
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Speaker 20: Agree with them that that they are in Ukraine to

1999
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to fight Nazis or things like that, there are a

2000
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Nazis in Ukraine, but unfortunately or I don't know, not unfortunately,

2001
01:55:33,239 --> 01:55:38,760
but after two years most of them are dead and

2002
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even if they.

2003
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Speaker 3: Stay.

2004
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Speaker 20: They got into Ukraine to kill the Nazis. Well, at

2005
01:55:47,119 --> 01:55:51,000
least this they succeeded. But what they don't succeeded, which

2006
01:55:51,239 --> 01:55:58,000
was the real reason, is to occupy Ukraine. I mean,

2007
01:55:58,119 --> 01:56:00,920
in the first days of the war. They even took

2008
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with them the uniforms, not I.

2009
01:56:04,239 --> 01:56:06,920
Speaker 1: Don't know who you're talking You keep saying like these

2010
01:56:07,159 --> 01:56:10,079
sort of vague they they they I don't know what

2011
01:56:10,119 --> 01:56:12,399
you're talking about. You're talking about a battalion. What are

2012
01:56:12,399 --> 01:56:14,920
you talking about? What soldiers who?

2013
01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:20,000
Speaker 20: Russian soldiers in the first days of the war.

2014
01:56:20,239 --> 01:56:25,800
Speaker 3: I think in the first or three weeks even had

2015
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with them.

2016
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Speaker 20: Uniforms because they thought they would win, like in two

2017
01:56:35,079 --> 01:56:37,680
to three days they would win, and then they can

2018
01:56:39,199 --> 01:56:44,319
immediately make a parade through Kiev. So they it wasn't

2019
01:56:44,479 --> 01:56:49,439
just to fight the Nazis or fight the West. I

2020
01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:50,000
don't see that.

2021
01:56:51,439 --> 01:56:54,039
Speaker 1: I have no idea what you're saying. You've lost me

2022
01:56:54,119 --> 01:56:58,039
with the imprecise they them this.

2023
01:56:58,520 --> 01:57:01,760
Speaker 3: Like, what are you saying Russian.

2024
01:57:03,079 --> 01:57:08,159
Speaker 20: Government, as I understand it, uh.

2025
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:11,159
Speaker 1: As has one.

2026
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Speaker 20: Yes, but everyone's lying.

2027
01:57:16,039 --> 01:57:18,159
Speaker 3: So what.

2028
01:57:20,319 --> 01:57:22,359
Speaker 1: You're saying that there's no more there are no more

2029
01:57:22,439 --> 01:57:25,600
as fighters, there's no more people with these ideologies in

2030
01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:28,680
the Ukraine, No there are, and now there are.

2031
01:57:29,560 --> 01:57:32,479
Speaker 20: I don't understand why, especially.

2032
01:57:32,279 --> 01:57:36,319
Speaker 1: So you're you're basically quoting, you're quoting BBC propaganda that

2033
01:57:36,359 --> 01:57:46,600
the BBC is good. What you accuse me, bro, you

2034
01:57:46,720 --> 01:57:50,520
accuse me of just repeating Russian state propaganda. I started

2035
01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:53,159
listening to you historical stuff. You said, the history doesn't

2036
01:57:53,199 --> 01:57:56,079
matter anymore, and now you're just giving me BBC propaganda.

2037
01:57:56,560 --> 01:57:57,279
That is what you said.

2038
01:57:57,359 --> 01:58:00,760
Speaker 20: What do you mean though, I said that there are

2039
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:02,159
no Nazis in Ukraine?

2040
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:04,319
Speaker 1: I asked you and I said, you said that this

2041
01:58:04,479 --> 01:58:08,920
isn't the case anymore. In the soldiers with uniforms and

2042
01:58:09,039 --> 01:58:10,800
the people, and like, what are you talking about?

2043
01:58:14,039 --> 01:58:14,159
Speaker 3: Uh?

2044
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:20,760
Speaker 20: There are in Ukraine Nazis and soldiers that have these

2045
01:58:21,079 --> 01:58:24,920
symbols black son. I don't know how they're called in English.

2046
01:58:25,079 --> 01:58:27,680
And that's bad. And I don't understand why there was

2047
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:33,359
sense weapons to Ukraine. But doesn't say you have to

2048
01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:35,960
take these people down.

2049
01:58:36,319 --> 01:58:37,319
Speaker 1: You know what, what people?

2050
01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:39,399
Speaker 3: The Nazis, the Nazis.

2051
01:58:40,359 --> 01:58:44,119
Speaker 1: You don't understand why the West would prop up those groups.

2052
01:58:44,199 --> 01:58:45,960
The West has always propped up those groups. What are

2053
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:50,119
you talking about? You know what Galen or.

2054
01:58:50,640 --> 01:58:57,479
Speaker 20: Yes, America yea America, yes, but Germany no, at least

2055
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we no.

2056
01:58:58,159 --> 01:59:00,199
Speaker 1: No, no, I'm talking I'm not talking about german Many.

2057
01:59:00,239 --> 01:59:03,239
I'm talking about the Galen Org and the Galen network

2058
01:59:03,680 --> 01:59:07,199
and that network in Ukraine that was taken over by

2059
01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:10,760
Western intelligence. That's what became the B and D. Your

2060
01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:13,960
intelligence network is literally the old Nazi network.

2061
01:59:16,920 --> 01:59:24,760
Speaker 20: That's a very specific and historical fact. But there's a

2062
01:59:24,920 --> 01:59:30,479
difference between what was right after the war, where literally

2063
01:59:30,640 --> 01:59:35,520
every neighbor of yours was a Nazi and.

2064
01:59:36,159 --> 01:59:39,560
Speaker 1: Ever of mine in America. What do you what do

2065
01:59:39,600 --> 01:59:39,840
you mean?

2066
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:40,039
Speaker 10: No?

2067
01:59:40,319 --> 01:59:41,000
Speaker 3: In in Germany?

2068
01:59:41,119 --> 01:59:46,119
Speaker 20: I mean in Germany, but there were there were some

2069
01:59:46,479 --> 01:59:50,199
You couldn't You couldn't build a nation in Germany with

2070
01:59:50,319 --> 01:59:54,640
old Nazis, even even the Communists. Germany had to rely

2071
01:59:54,960 --> 02:00:00,680
on former soldiers, generals that were part of the Wehrmacht.

2072
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Speaker 3: And at least today the B and D is not filled.

2073
02:00:07,640 --> 02:00:09,479
Speaker 20: With a Nazi now.

2074
02:00:09,520 --> 02:00:09,840
Speaker 3: I know that.

2075
02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:11,840
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they are today. I'm just saying that.

2076
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I'm just saying that the history of the intelligence networks

2077
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of the post world, the post World War two world

2078
02:00:19,800 --> 02:00:24,119
where essentially when when tiny mustache Man lost, the CIA

2079
02:00:24,239 --> 02:00:27,119
took over those networks, and the CIA basically set up

2080
02:00:27,199 --> 02:00:31,239
your intelligence apparatus. The CIA is all up in Germany,

2081
02:00:31,720 --> 02:00:34,479
and so everything that comes out of German media or

2082
02:00:34,600 --> 02:00:38,840
British media is literally just CIA and British intelligence propaganda.

2083
02:00:39,479 --> 02:00:42,439
So the fact that I cite something that is.

2084
02:00:42,720 --> 02:00:46,840
Speaker 20: What how do you come to the question that everything

2085
02:00:48,159 --> 02:00:49,760
every German media.

2086
02:00:50,159 --> 02:00:53,279
Speaker 1: Is I don't mean literally every single person. I'm saying

2087
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that the post World War two entire media apparatus in

2088
02:00:56,479 --> 02:01:01,760
Germany was set up by the the predecessor to the EU,

2089
02:01:02,039 --> 02:01:06,079
the OSCE, which was created by the O s S.

2090
02:01:06,319 --> 02:01:08,600
So that's that's not that's a fact too. You didn't

2091
02:01:08,640 --> 02:01:08,800
know that.

2092
02:01:10,439 --> 02:01:16,199
Speaker 20: So why so you're saying that the s CE is.

2093
02:01:17,800 --> 02:01:18,239
Speaker 3: C I A.

2094
02:01:19,119 --> 02:01:22,279
Speaker 1: No, the os S set up all of those European

2095
02:01:22,439 --> 02:01:25,560
those proto European Union networks that became the EU, that

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was all the OSS Well obviously, yeah, well wait a minute.

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Obviously you sounded like two minutes ago you weren't aware

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of that, and now you're saying, obviously, so which one is?

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Speaker 3: Well maybe I sounded like that, but that's not true.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so now it is all. But so then you

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shouldn't take issue with me saying that German media is

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largely also going to put out what the CIA and

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British intelligence want.

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Speaker 3: Maybe, but how is it?

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Speaker 6: How is that?

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Speaker 20: Referring to my critique that So my point was that

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you don't mind a document which they say they verify

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Ukraine in territory, and they so that Ukraine gifts their

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nucleo arms and their planes and their bombers and so

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on and so forth.

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Speaker 6: I destroy them.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 20: I'm mirandum.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't know what you're saying that I'm supposed to.

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What's that supposed to be proving about? You said, you're

2116
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just repeating Russian state media, and I'm saying, well, I'm

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looking at what I understand from the history, whether it's you.

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Speaker 20: Where's the difference between because you say all that and

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the Ukraine is actually Russian territory.

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Speaker 1: You say, no, you already admitted that. What do you

2121
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mean I say that, I say that both of those

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things you said are true. So why are you trying

2123
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to bring up stuff you alreadydmitted it as the case?

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Speaker 3: Uh? Okay, let's okay.

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Speaker 20: I can tell you where's the difference in what I.

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Speaker 3: See and what you are on?

2127
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Speaker 1: Tell me exactly what I'm wrong about, because you've yapped

2128
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for about twenty minutes about all kinds of things. Just

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tell me exactly where you explicitly think I'm wrong.

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Speaker 20: I don't see that Ukraine has such a big problem

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with Nazis that you have to literally go to war

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for two years and that so many soldiers and civilians

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have to die.

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Speaker 1: No, No, I'm not. I wasn't saying that Ukraine has

2135
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to be attacked by Russia because there's Nazis. I'm saying

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that there's bio warfare labs that were set up all

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around the border of Russia for many years prior to

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the Ukraine conflict, and that the Orange Revolution, funded by

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Soros in the CAA many years earlier, prepared for this conflict,

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including acts on Russia to provoke Russia into this conflict.

2141
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So when Russia talks about the Azov Battalion and things

2142
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like that, that's things that they mentioned for the media

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for public perusal to see that this is one of

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the regions. But you, I mean, if NATO and if

2145
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the US set up bases and move weapons and create

2146
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biolabs on the border of Russia, that's provocation for these events.

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Speaker 20: Oh, you think Russia is valid in attacking Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Russia was provoked into attacking the Ukraine and it is

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technically and historically Russian area.

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Speaker 3: Well, Russia has disagreed with you that it's Russian territory.

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Speaker 1: This is a carded waste of time. Did you want

2152
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to say something, FDA. Did you want to say something,

2153
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I'm mute, FDA. Did you want to say something? Welcome

2154
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Jonathan Miller. He became a member Circle Jerk. Two dollars.

2155
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We got this guy instead of a black hubrew ridsrolt. Yeah,

2156
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we got a German guy defending NATO and Ukraine. And

2157
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I can't understand or follow half of what he's arguing

2158
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because it's I don't know what he's arguing. Yeah, blowing

2159
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up the Northry and pipeline. That was good for Russia,

2160
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I mean for Germany exactly. I mean, if you want

2161
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to be on the side of Gaeto, you want Gaeto

2162
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Skittles parades, I mean, good luck with that. I mean

2163
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he's I mean, if you want CIA run Germany, you're

2164
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getting it. You're getting You're getting your fill of that

2165
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in Germany now, So have fun with that. Everybody, have

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a good night.