Speaker 1: That gets rectified over time. So you're kind of like
you threw in a bunch of different situations, and all
of these situations are kind of like case by case
and unique zero. What's up, zero Jr. Five dollars? How
is the book shipping coming along? Okay, there's nothing. There's
no problem in the shipping. I have to I had
to make several revisions to the book that the editor
and the publisher wanted. I have all of those done
except for one last one. So as soon as that's done,
it should go to the printer. So it's nothing to
do with book shipping. What's up, man, I'm you?
Speaker 2: Oh oh sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, I didn't realize.
Speaker 1: Okay, what's up?
Speaker 3: Okay? Hello Jay Dyer.
Speaker 4: I'm Georgia or so.
Speaker 2: Regarding monophysites, especially in the West, because you know, I
grew up in Georgia and I now live in the West. Ah, like,
how would we like go towards our priests and try
and firmly go make sure that they're not actually communing
these people because we're having this problem in the Western
churches at least.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what the answer is
to that.
Speaker 2: Like Faver taken, and I is like, could you give
me some like wisdom on this because in my local
parish there are some Armenians and you know they can
partake in communion, but obviously there's lots of issues with
this and they shouldn't be done.
Speaker 5: There's a couple of different steps you can take when
issues like this come up again.
Speaker 3: You can Jamie, can you make me an espresso too?
Speaker 1: Can it made me an espresso?
Speaker 5: One route is you get parishioners to write a letter
and have it submitted to the parish council.
Speaker 6: You could go to the dean, you could go to
the bishop, and none of none of those things work.
Speaker 5: Then, just like you would do other stuff like I'm
going to the media, right and I'm gonna let so
by media let's say Orthodox uh outlets and stuff like
that that cover until they.
Speaker 6: Actually deal with it.
Speaker 5: You So you give a kind of open invitation for
this to be addressed and correct right up the proper
kind of hierarchy. And if that doesn't imply pressure, uh,
you know, use different Orthodox outlets to draw attention to.
Speaker 6: These these problems.
Speaker 1: Chase. I mean, we're in the bomb fight territory. Now
we're letting anyone on. Pretty much we're gonna have haggards
coming on, so might as well just let's just give up.
Speaker 7: It's real funny, dire. So do you want to actually
have the conversation or are you gonna just.
Speaker 8: Mute me and run?
Speaker 1: I mean, are you gonna pepper spray me in person?
Speaker 8: Or no, I'm not gonna pepper spray you in person.
Speaker 7: But if you really want to talk about like the
whole god thing, my great grandmother used to tell me
stories about old days and all this god stuff comes
from you know, way before that. There used to be
a time of peace when the Avatar cat balance between
the water tribes fire nation Earth came demand the air nomads.
But all that changed when the Fire Nation attacked over
seven thousand years ago. And so how do you know
that your god stuff is true when we have this
stuff from from a fire nation and from before?
Speaker 1: Well, is there a place for Yakub in this or not?
Because that's my that's my epistemic authority.
Speaker 8: You're just gonna you're just gonna run the jokes again.
Speaker 1: It's not just Yakoub. You think Yakub's a joke, You're
gonna find out.
Speaker 8: All right, man, I knew this as a waste of time.
Speaker 1: I come on, essay, I'm out of here.
Speaker 8: There's a waste of time.
Speaker 6: To say when I when I leave you in Egypt.
Speaker 1: Bason, listen, I know what I'm just I don't have
time for this. I'm gonna run. I'm not going to
answer Chase his challenges. I mean, it's just like dealing
with these people is just Jason chasing Jason.
Speaker 3: Hello, can you guys here?
Speaker 1: Then barely push push the pillow closer to your face
when you talk into it.
Speaker 9: A bro, it can hear us. They go find a
bigger pillow. Dicoverant par face vulture, what's up?
Speaker 1: Vulture? You want to talk?
Speaker 10: Yo?
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 10: Jack?
Speaker 1: Hey?
Speaker 6: I just had a question. So I've been Orthodox for
a while.
Speaker 11: And honestly, I didn't take my faith very seriously until recently.
A friend of mine actually introduced me to one thing
that kind of confuses me. Within the Orthodox Church, as
I understand, we're pretty decentralized, and that, of course, even
a saint can make a mistake. So how do we
get the official Orthodox doctrines? Like, how do we get
to the point where we have a rule that we
then apply in Orthodoxy.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are plenty of official doctrines and dogmas.
They're contained in the Creed, they're contained the ecumenical councils.
And in Orthodoxy what's official and what's dogma is pretty
well known and pretty established and pretty small. Rome has
this opposite position where it's like there needs to be
this sort of dogmatic statement on anything and everything. We
have the Creed, we have the councils that pretty much
covers the fundamentals of our faith. So like, what is
the thing that we need the supposed dogmatic statement on
that hasn't already been dogmatically stated?
Speaker 3: Gotcha?
Speaker 10: All right?
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Shit, I thought you were act that's fine. I thought
you were actually like gonna say, you know, is there
a specific issue you're referring to, not.
Speaker 11: Anything in particular, just more or less. I've been trying
to learn about orthodog Sye and just the whole structure
and understand how it is that our church bothers even
came to these conclusions from the ancient texts and whatnot to.
Speaker 8: Get to where we are now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, you know, start with a book
like ourslaw Pelicon Volume one on the Christian tradition. Jacob,
what's something, dude?
Speaker 3: Is up? Jay?
Speaker 12: Hey, So I just had sort of a debate with
my friend who is an empiricist, and he kind of
admitted that he can't account for logic or epistemology or
you know, any of the good stuff.
Speaker 13: But he kind of threw it back at me, and
it was really strange, like he threw it back at.
Speaker 3: Me and just saying like.
Speaker 13: I'm going to use like tag for this sort of
arbitrary like creator, like a kind of like in like
a deistic fashion, And it was just like I just
didn't even know where to go like at that point
because it was just so strange, and I was just like,
you're not making any like positive arguments, but they're just saying,
you know, it is there's possible that there's a creator,
but like why is it even like the Christian God specifically, and.
Speaker 1: That well, ideism wouldn't work because the god of deism
is not in the world. There is no eminence, he's
not involved in the world, so he wouldn't work to
do any of the justification work. So that would be
a defeater if he started to adopt That's why you
need a personal God that's not just transcendent but also imminence.
So you need the Christian metaphysic. And I think that's
what's missing in that equation, is like the transcendental argument
isn't just a conceptual argument for some math equation or
something like that. It's also saying that the Christian metaphysic, Creator, creature, distinction, universals,
all those things go into divine conceptualism, objective ethics, logic,
all of those things necessitate and use and need the
Christian metaphysic. And that's unique to our system. It's not
just any old quote theism like, oh, well, I just
believe in a deism god. Well, the deism god doesn't
do any of the grounding work because he's not involved
in the creator. Or furthermore, why would we think there
is a deistic god if we're dias Deism historically quickly
leads people to atheism. Most deists ended up just being atheists.
So again, if it's a deistic deity, it's kind of
a shoot yourselfself in the foot situation. Andrew, guys, if
you would hit, like and share, also, you could support
the stream through super chats. Jake the guitar got ten dollars.
If you want a dog on a Protestant I found
a contradiction heresy machine. Matt Powell did a video saying
that orthodox are leading you to the hell yeah. Somebody
mentioned this actually a few minutes ago in a super chat.
I don't. I mean, there's there's endless Protestant videos of
Protestants whining about Orthodoxy. I'm not dismissing what you're saying, Jack,
I just think that it's not going to be anything
that we haven't heard a million times. I mean, Martin
O'Brien two hundred uh weird currencies. My angry al Pacino
is the best impression I have when I get together
with my family. What is your best impression? I don't know.
I mean people think the Cat Williams is good. People
think the Terrence McKenna is good. People think the Nick
Cage is good. So it could be any of those.
What's up, man? Are you there?
Speaker 14: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's on your mind?
Speaker 15: I was calling I ordered your book on meta Narratives,
philosophy and Symbolism.
Speaker 16: I was I was wondering.
Speaker 15: I haven't ordered Esoteric Hollywood, but I was wondering. And
this has nothing to do with your discussion, although I'm
I'm learning, I'm listening and learning.
Speaker 1: I'd like to be intelligent.
Speaker 15: Enough on the subject to even debate. But I was wondering,
what part of the Bible do you think is the
most fertile, the best, most rich spot for a good
foundation of symbolism? For I do oil paintings trying to
expose the BT system stuff like that, but what and
I think the Holy Spirit, are you there? It just
kind of comes to me and then and then it
just works out. But it'd be nice to actually get
somebody who knows anything about this stuff. What's the most
rich part of the Bible for a good foundation of
symbolism that I could build off of in a painting.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's not like one area of the Bible
that's unique or known for quote symbolism, because symbolism is
kind of all throughout scripture. And one of the things
with Biblical symbology is that it kind of requires a
knowledge of the totality of the text to be fluent
and proficient in the symbolism. So, I mean, you know,
Paul's Letter to the Hebrews is basically exege eating a
lot of the temple, and you know, levitical service, typology
and symbology, So maybe Hebrews. I mean, the Book of
Revelation is obviously probably the most rich with symbols, but
it's also the most difficult, So I don't know that
those would necessarily be the place to start your biblical
symbolic journey. I would start by maybe watching some lectures
on iconography. If you're new to Orthodox theology, watch the
seven part, three hour documentary called The icon and you'll
start to kind of get a feel for not just
biblical symbology, but iconography, which is kind of intimately wrapped
up with biblical symbology. Enari, you want to I'm are
you there? So I'm looking for people who disagree. You
go to the headlines. Silly boy, what's up? Please don't
ask me akw ofcumen questions. Hello, yep, what's on your mind?
Speaker 17: I'm just I'm really struggling with this whole God thing
when it's there's people making these top tier arguments like
I'm gonna kill you, and like what Chase Haggard was saying,
it's just really man difficult.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Chase is quickly becoming one of the
top atheist apologists, or I should say gnostic apologists. So
I don't blame you personally. I'm scared to debate him.
I don't know, what do you think?
Speaker 18: Yeah, I think I'm feeling as a white man. I
should just go back to Yakoob.
Speaker 3: I don't really know, but.
Speaker 1: You know what, it might be the right path for you. You know,
Chase is in the chat right now. He says, for
two dollars, if you want truth, you should look into
ang Katara and Soka. Those must be ancient titans. I'm
not sure. He seems to have a lot of knowledge
when it comes to that realm.
Speaker 6: All right, I'll make sure to look into those.
Speaker 18: I did have a question though, So I've been listening
to a lot of Orthodox creators online and that kind
of sounds like people are saying different things with monarchical
trinitarianism and the monarchy of the Father. Are those different
positions in Orthodoxy or is it like pretty much the same?
Speaker 1: No, they're the same thing. Let me just watch doctor
bo Branson. That's his expertise.
Speaker 18: Okay, And then a second question. The other day, Fwentez
said on his stream he'd like to do a collab
with you.
Speaker 6: I was just wondering if you'd be interested in that.
Speaker 1: We'll see, We'll see, all right, that's all I had. Yeah, Kube,
feel a little nervous speaking to my creator year. I
feel like I should do with some repenting and some fasting.
But I didn't know Yakub would actually show up today.
What's up, Yakub?
Speaker 19: Hey, I've been listening to you for like a year now,
and I really like what you do. You've been helping
me kind of lean towards Orthodoxy, so thank you for
your work. My question is, I'm really interested in like
the twentieth century Russian Orthodox Church, and I think a
lot of the figures there are like really interesting. And
I've come across Florensky and I'm just wondering, what do
you recommend I read to understand the controversy better? And
are any of his writings like worth reading.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: I've only read what Loski says about him. He cites
him and kind of comments on him in one of
his books, so I'm not well read in him. I've
read I've read Florowsky, Laski, Larshay, Mayendorff. Those are kind
of the you know, Orthodox theologians I've read large amounts
of I've not read Florensky, all.
Speaker 3: Right, thank you.
Speaker 1: I mean I've read others too. I've read Bulgakov. I'm
not a fan of him, so I wouldn't recommend him
at all. I've read others. I just don't know much
about his his stuff. Redeemed, what's up? Mhm, Redeemed? Komer?
You wanna?
Speaker 20: I mute?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 16: Jay, can hear me?
Speaker 21: I got two questions, if that's cool, pretty unrelated.
Speaker 16: First one is concerning the sacred name.
Speaker 21: Is there a reason it's it's not typically used in
the liturgy or is it appropriate to use?
Speaker 1: Like I think the name is Jesus. Jesus is the
tetragrammats on so.
Speaker 21: So okay, So I mean, but well, like yahweh or
other pronunciations Jehovah even though you know, I guess Jehova
is probably not historical, uh Hebrew? Is there a reason
it's not used more in the service in the Old Testament?
Speaker 1: I guess, I mean every time every time the psalms
say the Lord that's referring to that's who's referring to.
Speaker 21: So I'm not sure I've only attended liturgy one so
I mean, is it is it set out loud in
the Psalm zone.
Speaker 1: We read the entire Bible throughout the liturgy and the
readings like every one, they.
Speaker 21: Do actually pronounce the name as opposed to substituting board.
Speaker 1: I don't, I'm not. I don't understand if you're saying,
do we not believe in the tetragrammaton or do we
not pronounce the name of God?
Speaker 16: What understand?
Speaker 21: Yeah, pronounce pronouncing the name as opposed to substituting board, which,
if I understand.
Speaker 1: We are not Jewsed, we don't have a problem saying yeahweh.
Speaker 16: Okay, yeah, all right.
Speaker 21: I was just most other denominations, you know, like translations
use Lord as a substitute. So okay, good to know.
And then my other question, I guess, uh, the Patristic
position on death before the Fall, you were talking about
evolution in a previous uh live stream, and so you know,
all animals are created in their own kind, like carnivores
that have sharp teeth, low pH stomach acid pretty definitely
seem designed to eat meat, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the entire created order changed after the Fall,
including all of these elements, such as the way that
stomachs work the way that mosquitoes work. If you read
the Genesis Creation Early Man text, which is now reprinted
by Father Sara from Rosa goes into all this.
Speaker 21: Okay, So a wolf before Adam's fall would have completely
different dentition, and like.
Speaker 1: Not even all of reality was different. The whole metaphysics
of the created order changed after the fall. So this
is why kind of in the West the fall is
kind of thought of as this thing that just kind
of damaged the spirituality of Adam and Eve. The Orthodox
view is that it's a cosmic fall, and that's why
Christ cosmically redeems all of reality.
Speaker 21: Okay, I guess on that same question, then, was Adam
sin well? I guess, I guess eve that Adam and Eve,
like Lucifer, sinned prior to them, right, mm hmm. So
at which point did the did the change you're referring to,
like when all animals, like when death entered the world?
Speaker 16: Was that that was Adam?
Speaker 1: So the testing of the angels happened in the noetic
realm outside of time, and the angels were judged in
one instance, and they and so when Satan fell, he
had already fallen. And then when Adam fell. Adam was
created as this can you mute? It's just drive me
crazy when there's an echo. So okay. So when Adam
fell as the steward of the created order, it affected
the entire created order. That's why death was introduced everywhere,
animal death, plant death, decay, entropy, all of that entered
through Adam's fall, and and thus all of the the
natural world and even the universe was affected. And that's
something again that is not really taught in Western Roman
Catholic Protestant theology. That's why Orthodox theology with Saint Maximus
to Confessor stress is the cosmic scope not just of
the fall, but also of Christ's resurrection. So Christ being
resurrected initiates an entirely new heavens and earth. So that's
why all men are resurrected, and not just the righteous,
because that universal restoration and recapitulation is fixing everything that
Adam damaged through his fall. That doesn't mean everyone's saved,
because each individual is going to be judged on the
basis of how they used their will in their own
personal mode of willing in the resurrection. So we're all
going to be judged for that. But we are all
automatically resurrected, no matter what, whether it's tiny mustache man
Jeffrey Badonka donc you know it doesn't matter how bad
you were, like, you're going to be as erected on
the basis of Christ's work.
Speaker 16: Okay, Am I still on?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Cool?
Speaker 22: Uh?
Speaker 16: Is that is that only humans? Or or is that
all living things?
Speaker 1: All of reality? I believe, I believe say Maximus is
pretty clear about that too.
Speaker 16: Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a new heavens and a new Earth.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I definitely. I think I was on the same
page as you there.
Speaker 21: I just that's that's a totally new paradigm to the
whole creation aspect of it.
Speaker 16: I appreciate that.
Speaker 21: The book you said, Father Sarah from Rose, which one.
Speaker 1: It's called Genesis Creation Early Man. It was out of
print for a good while and it's just now back
in print.
Speaker 16: Okay, Are there any other good reason?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a first created Man by Saint Simeon. The
New Theologian is another good one.
Speaker 16: Okay, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great questions. Appreciate you. Uh, then what's up? When
need more gnostic cholos? That was I was having fun with.
Speaker 23: A little bit of pepper spray, a little bit of
hapenio spray, a little bit of pepper spray, a little
bit of ghost pepper spray, a little bit of that
inside of the taito that will measure stomach ud bro plus.
Speaker 1: It's really nasty. What's up man?
Speaker 3: Hello? Hey, Oh, I got through.
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: A number of I guess I had a number of questions.
Speaker 24: I suppose, Uh, why didn't you think that the Christ being,
being a being of love and wisdom, would be able
to save anyone who aligned with him? Yes, and so
that it wouldn't necessarily be the case that you would
have to be Orthodox.
Speaker 1: Well, it would be if aligning with him includes requirements,
which it does, so yes it does.
Speaker 3: What would those requirements.
Speaker 1: Be joining the Orthodox Church and repenting of your sins
and living according to his teachings?
Speaker 3: Well, what if you did the latter three but not
the first, the latter three that you just listed, you know, Well, you.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be obeying him if you didn't join the church
that he said to join.
Speaker 3: Where does he say to join the church?
Speaker 1: Well, he set up apostles, he says, he who hears
you hears me? And then at Pentecost, he sends his
Holy Spirit to empower that church. They go out in
the Book of Acts and set up that church. And
that church is historical because we can trace back to
the bishops, through the bishops, all the way back to
Timothy and to Paul in Ephesis for example.
Speaker 3: That didn't answer my question.
Speaker 1: Explicit totally answered your question.
Speaker 24: No, there's nowhere in the New Testament that Christ has
joined the Orthodox.
Speaker 1: Church, so he doesn't have to say the exact phrase
joined the Orthodox Church, because the term is something later
referring to something that already existed. What church do you
think existed in the first century?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean it was basically.
Speaker 24: Some of the original followers of Christ who probably were
alive when he was a Canador.
Speaker 1: You're not aware. You don't think we can go read them?
Speaker 3: You mean the Gospels?
Speaker 1: No, the first century? Oh, ignatious Clement, you don't think
we can go read these people?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 1: Okay, Well they talk about being bishops, they talk about
having a Eucharist, So what do you think those things are?
What church is that?
Speaker 4: Well, I'm not sure what you told me.
Speaker 3: What church would that be?
Speaker 1: Well, you said there is no command of Christ to
join the Orthodox Church, and I'm giving you examples of
the church that he set up. What church is that?
Speaker 4: Well, I would say, let's just focus on what.
Speaker 3: His commandment was, which was to love one another?
Speaker 1: Okay? Was that the only commandment he gave? Did he
give other commandments? Why are we focusing on one commandment?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 24: Because I think that kind of trumps like this necessity that.
Speaker 1: You But why you think that on what basis?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: Because firstly, the whole Christ being.
Speaker 1: It's the Christ being. What's the Christ being?
Speaker 3: The being of Christ?
Speaker 1: How do you know the Christ being?
Speaker 24: One can align with the Christ through one's thinking.
Speaker 1: And how do you know that it's Christ? If it's feelings? Like,
how do you know it's the right Jesus?
Speaker 24: And you shall know them by their deeds? And so
when I feel a sense of love?
Speaker 1: So you're picking so feelings, right? But can that be deceptive?
Can you feel like you know it's love, but maybe
it was what you ate last night? How do you
know that it's quote love?
Speaker 3: Well, it's mainly through experience.
Speaker 24: I can make a distinction between you know, how I
feel after I eat?
Speaker 1: Okay, So if I have a similar experience and I
come to the opposite conclusion, how do we know who's
right between us? Well? Uh, so this is just new
age gibberish. So who is this Jesus you're talking about?
Speaker 3: I'm talking about Christ?
Speaker 1: Okay? What Christ? How do you know him from the gospels?
Speaker 3: That's one way, yes, okay, Well, the.
Speaker 1: Christ in the Gospels says the things that I'm talking about, Like,
he has other commandments, other stipulations, for example, go forth
be baptized, or he tells the apostles go forth baptized
the right. So it's not just aligning with him in
some generic, unknown sense. You have to do all these
other things too, right.
Speaker 24: I don't feel like aligning with Christ through ones thinking
and feeling and through this is just a.
Speaker 1: Total subjective, just nonsense, this gay stuff, jitsuck. What's up?
So I mean in a debate, I can just say
I feel like the opposite. So there we go. Yit sock.
Speaker 3: My fault.
Speaker 6: I don't mean their west what, I don't mean the request?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, how many people are still over?
Speaker 10: I don't know it.
Speaker 1: So there's like two hundred and thirty people and nobody
wants to come on. This is really odd because usually
when there's two hundred and thirty people. There's like any
people in line. So yeah, no, we can't just make
up new age feely Jesus is like we want. It's
just totally it's just another type of idolatry. Yes, Iran,
I had no answer to the just nonsense new Age nonsense.
Contemporary companion five dollars voting an ice is a g
a pennini two pounds. The superchats are not tallying um.
I think I set it to a high setting, so
no one has super chatted to the limits that I
put because there's superchats, and it's also not counting the
superchats on stream labs because they're separate. Brendan Turner five
dollars dang. I laughed so hard at that schizo. I'm
glad you kept him on the line, except when he
threatened you that schiitzods are dangerous. I mean, you don't
usually you don't get a lot of gnostics that want
to attack. That's that's a that's definitely a unique scenario. Innari,
you want to try again. I know out of these
two hundred and thirty people, somebody has some disagreements or
some topics that they would like to discuss or debate.
You can call in through Twitter. I'll give the guy
you guys over here on YouTube another link once again.
If you want to join, you can join right there.
What's up, man, I'm yo.
Speaker 3: Can you hear me?
Speaker 20: Mm hm yes, Sorry.
Speaker 25: I tried to call in earlier, but my mic was
not connecting properly. Yeah, this is about monarchical trinitarianism. I
was wondering because I was watching a debate with God
Logic and he said something about how like, I guess
this is the Western view that the essence is the
identity is Yahweh by identity, and the persons are Yahweh
by predication.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's talking about. What we don't
go to God Logic for Orthodox theologies, I know.
Speaker 3: I know that I'm just saying.
Speaker 25: I'm asking about monarchical trinitarianism.
Speaker 26: I'm asking if is it accuracy that the Father is God.
Speaker 25: Is Yahweh by identity, and the Son and the Spirit
is Yahweh.
Speaker 1: I mean it just like the words, whether you're saying
bipredication or identity, it's not that huge a deal because
it's just a matter of what you mean by the
words and all that's intended to signify is that the
Father does not derive the divinity from another. He's the
unoriginate one. But the Son and the Spirit do derive
their divinity. They are caused. The Father is uncaused. So
that's all that's intended to express.
Speaker 25: Okay, because I guess it was specifically about the so
called logical problem of the trinity, where it's.
Speaker 6: Like, what is the I think the question.
Speaker 1: We've already addressed this in the debate with Jake.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1: I have videos on the logical problem of the Trinity,
so check those out. Joshua, my gosh, Joshua, are you
going on mute?
Speaker 20: Yes?
Speaker 6: Absolutely.
Speaker 27: I just wanted to do to do a shout out
to Father Ananias and you great work.
Speaker 16: Orthodoxy is the only way.
Speaker 27: Don't be a beta cook and just just follow Christ,
be strong, follow your traditions and and just you know,
start a family. Get away from the degenerative bull crap
that's out there today.
Speaker 3: That's oh my god, thank good.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on jord on what's up?
Speaker 3: Man? Alright?
Speaker 1: Doing what's on your mind?
Speaker 28: I just want to hear your thoughts on like the
current collapse of like the rejuvenated like conservative media.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts going on for do you think any.
Speaker 1: New rejuvenated conservative collapse media?
Speaker 16: No?
Speaker 28: Yeah, because like you know, Candice Owens and like and
then coming into the conservative space apart from Fox and
the mainstream, and it seems like they've all just like
turned on candas bring on my Miloianapolis.
Speaker 1: You cut out Candace, what.
Speaker 3: I'll bring on Miloanapolis or whatever his.
Speaker 1: Name is, like the I know who Milo is, but
you're cut out, So I didn't hear the question I
know who Milo is?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 1: What's the question?
Speaker 28: It's so, what do you think is gonna happen with
like kind of like just the whole younger generation discarding
these people?
Speaker 1: Everyone is scarding Milo or discarding who.
Speaker 28: Candace talker after kind of the nick Fintest thing and
like tough calls in like pretending his dad wasn't c
I A and when the clip show that.
Speaker 1: He knew this a year ago, I mean, I don't
has has a large portion you're saying everyone's abandoned him.
I don't know, have they actually done that or is
that what it's how do you determine that?
Speaker 29: Well?
Speaker 28: So like not even not even like well kind of
what I mean, my abandon is like kind of just
listen to him as like just brought like factual questions asked.
Speaker 20: Like he's kind of.
Speaker 28: Like now he's someone who's viewed as someone who needs
to be like launched as well and can't be trusted everyone,
at least my age and my age group kind of
test though. I'm like, I'm not even like a big
nick foin test guy, but just kind of like the
weird change in talker on that topic and on that
kind of censorship model just seemed really weird. So everyone
I know, my age but ultimately follow around my age
have to prove abandoned kind of trusting talker as a whole.
Speaker 6: Is now viewed as like someone who has to.
Speaker 28: Be like comsolutely factually checked. Are you a lot of
anything said? And like two months ago it was like
all these guys, this guy's.
Speaker 6: The truth talent. I thinking it was Candace.
Speaker 28: Kind of her backgrounds out though and the kind of
the decisions she's made.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't, I don't really know what to say.
I mean again, I've seen, you know, right when people
have been fighting since forever, So I mean a lot
of this reminds me of twenty fifteen sixteen A L
T R I G H T stuff. It was all
the same fighting. And you're a FED and he's a FED.
They're all Feds. And I mean, I just don't know
what what to say. I mean, I'm out here. I mean,
people should be listening to me. How's that? That's that's
my Like, I'm out here doing my media. People should
be listening to what I talk about. And then everybody
just wants to talk about the drama between Tucker and
Kandas and Nick all day long. It's like, you know what,
in five years, nobody will remember and then we'll be
on to some other media person and they'll be talking
about the drama with that media person, and the people
will be asking me, what do you think about the
drama with this media? It's like, let's talk about what
I talk about. How's that? Savio? What's up?
Speaker 3: Hello? How are you doing?
Speaker 6: Jay?
Speaker 1: What's on your mind?
Speaker 30: I can I ask your question regarding Ed m how
can divine simplicity be true and both ed? When, like
Ed says, there's like a real distinction.
Speaker 1: How is the trinity true if the persons are really distinct?
Speaker 20: MH, So ED is kind of like that when it
comes to the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Palamas makes exact same argument to barley On. He says,
the distinction between God's operations and his essence is just
as distinct as the persons are from one another.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but what the distinction is like, you don't.
Speaker 3: Know, right, No, we do.
Speaker 10: No.
Speaker 1: I never said that the essence of God we don't know,
but that there is a real distinction in the sense
of the glory of God is really not the same
thing as the creating of the world. I mean, just
go read Palamas' one hundred fifty chapters. If you read
ninety eight to one oh three, he does a bunch
of reductios where he says that if you think that
these things are identical, it reduces to absurdity. And everybody
wants to argue over the term that you used, real minor,
real major real. None of that even matters, because just
read the reductios in ninety eight to one oh three
and see if you think that that providence is really
the same thing as eternal glory, and think about how
stupid that would be if you can if you came
to that conclusion, I gotcha.
Speaker 30: Can I ask you a clarifying question, then sure would
it be true then that Orthodox few of you difines simplicity.
Speaker 6: Or is it something else?
Speaker 3: If what said again, we hold it divines simplicity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, every Orthodox church father, all the church fathers say
that we believe that God is simple. There's no God's
not made up of parts. He's not composite, and the
essence inurgi sinction doesn't make him composite, anymore than a
trinity makes him composite. Ok, just go read Palamas people.
I'm not fussing at you, but it's like, people, why
do people just not go read dialogue between Orthodox and
a Barleymi and it actually like everything you hear me
say is literally just what he says in that andres
what's up? Jonathan Kelly says five dollars five years from
now we will hear the comment. What do you think
about the drama between Jay Dyer and Joe Rogan. I
don't know about all that. I don't know if we're
ever going to see see that, but it would be funny.
Speaker 5: Don't forget to everybody write Joe Rogan say we want
Jane and FDA on that.
Speaker 1: That would be pretty wild. I mean, I don't. It's
weird that you saw he just had that that Calvinist
guy on. It's like, what's what the Joe Rogan and
the Calvinist Protestant guys. I don't understand.
Speaker 3: That guy was awful.
Speaker 6: Somebody said he looked like some like SS Rian dude
with his.
Speaker 1: What do you mean or.
Speaker 3: Long?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks like an SS.
Speaker 3: Like an Aryan. Did you see those Aryan dudes? I
can prison with the long.
Speaker 6: The long beards like that.
Speaker 1: The SS didn't have beards. I'm confused. You're talking about
like prison prison skinheads with beards. Okay?
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Actually I think that guy is a VET because I
remember watching on his videos some years ago and I
remember thinking who is this guy? And then uh, he
had a video on bitcoin and I pulled it up
and watched it and it was like Boocoin's going to zero,
and I'm like, what the hell? So if you if
you listen to this idiot, you would have been broke.
I forget his name? Is YouTube channel something like five
to seven or nine to five. I forget what it is,
but anyway, go ahead, what is.
Speaker 3: That guy's channel?
Speaker 6: I can't remember. I forget the guy's name all right.
Speaker 1: Let me say if I can pull it up, but.
Speaker 6: It shows that I mean Rogan's changed a lot, I
mean a lot, a lot.
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, I think that's right.
Speaker 1: Oh was he a Navy seal or something? Yeah, this
is him three of seven Project, that's his channel. I
remember coming across one of his bitcoin videos and it's like,
oh he well, shit, man, he was. He was in
the military. He must know about bitcoin. He's on the
inside track. He must know. So dude, these guys just
because you're a Navy seal and you were some like
military grunt, even if you were in special operations, those
people are some of the most brainwashed and conditioned people.
If you didn't know, but somebody said that, uh yeah,
this is it how I got rich with crypto. And
if you watch the video, you think, oh, he's like
talking to and then it's like all he's doing is debunking.
It's a de booking video.
Speaker 10: This this is it.
Speaker 31: Yeah, until you Welcome back to another episode of truck Talk,
brought to you by me inspired.
Speaker 16: By my man Chiley.
Speaker 32: I'm thankful that you guys are here this morning, and
I'm gonna tell you guys how I got rich on bitcoin.
Speaker 1: On this morning's episode. And if you watch this video,
it's so low tier, dude, it's like all the most
like just Normy Fudd you've ever heard. It's like it
ain't a thing because it's the whole title of video
is supposed to be clear. It's a clickbait, and so.
Speaker 4: Is Guess what.
Speaker 33: You don't know what that computers are doing back behind
the computer screens, what they're doing under you don't know.
You don't even know that there really is a code
back here. You just seeing numbers on the screen.
Speaker 1: That's literally what he says in this video. It's terrible.
Gainer's la five dollars. Do you have any thoughts on
media and age verification. We talked about this today on
the fourth hour of Lord Voldemort.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is obviously a covert operation for censorship. I'm
not exactly sure what route they're going to go. I
definitely don't believe that they're going to that they care
about the youth. They're not doing this because all we
care so much about the youth. I mean, this is
the same people that like we have a Jeff Stein McCaffrey,
you know, loving government. They're not concerned with the youth. Goodbye.
Speaker 5: We have the Protestant guy doesn't believe in bigcoin because
Protestants are, you know, obsessed with invisibility invisible church.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he should be like actually invisible for you. That's
why I'm investing in. So he's a bit of a heretic.
Speaker 33: Uh.
Speaker 1: Well, I will say somebody said Sam Hi would probably
be on there before Jay. I mean it's possible. Sam's
obviously got probably you know, five to ten times bigger
audience than I do. But we have had like five
people in the Rogan sphere on and you know, I
mean we've done interviews and talks and shows with at
least five of the inner Rogan sphere. So we've had Tripoli,
Kurt Matsker, Alice Jones, and two more Eddie Bravo and
somebody else I can't remember. So it seems like maybe
it's possible, but I have no idea, So, you know whatever,
I'm not worried about it. I mean I'm having fun
doing what I do, so whatever. And by the way,
as Shane McGillis said, it actually takes like multiple appearances
on Rogan for it to actually really kind of blow
you up, Like just one appearance on Rogan doesn't really
do much, but if you're on there like five times,
then you can kind of blow up, which is I mean,
that's what he said. So that worked for him. So
who knows, maybe one day Antonios, what's up? Man or
Andres Andres and then Antonios, what's up?
Speaker 6: Hey?
Speaker 1: What's on your mind?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 16: So I can't ask any question, all right, just no topic?
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 16: So I had a question. Have you ever seen the
movie The Wave? What the Fifth Wave?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chloe Moretz, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: You did any commentary on the director or anything?
Speaker 29: Uh?
Speaker 1: No, I did watch the movie. It was kind of
like a you know, apocalyptic type of thing, but I
don't remember much about it beyond that.
Speaker 21: Okay, yeah, because I'm hearing around the news right now
that median ship was coming towards Earth.
Speaker 10: And all that.
Speaker 1: So oh oh, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah.
Speaker 1: The thing is though, that the claim of the alien
ship coming towards Earth is from Auvi Loeb, who is
one of these like totally sus He's like the Harvard Mit,
you know, alien professor, which I don't think is a
very I mean, all the alien stuff's taken gay, so
Andres are either.
Speaker 10: I was at you.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Yeah, I didn't mean to boot the other guy.
I thought that's who was talking. Jacob, what's up Antoninos?
I'm sorry? Antoninos is next? And then Jacob, what's up Antonino?
Antonino's pizza?
Speaker 26: Hi?
Speaker 29: Can you hear me?
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, I'm just going to.
Speaker 34: Question while you're there with father than Ias for a
hypothetical of sin entering the world, I was just contemplating
the fall of Adam and Eve.
Speaker 35: If they chose to have never seened, sin could have
still entered the world, in my opinion, through no means
of man to intentionally do it. So as we can
injure ourselves, we can harm our brains, and you know
concussions can make people turn evil and do evil things.
Speaker 1: Well, you would have had none of those things had
they're not sended. So I don't see how you would.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So in the garden, it's interesting the word garden,
you're not even going back to the etymology.
Speaker 6: I think it comes from an old French word shut down.
Speaker 5: It means protected area, and so we call it the
garden because they were protected.
Speaker 6: They weren't going to fall and hit their heads or
like have something.
Speaker 35: Okay, so even accidents like that that could call it
bodily Yeah.
Speaker 1: The garden, Yeah, however there would have been roving cholos
with pepper spray, so watch out for.
Speaker 6: Is actually that's where bigcoin actually originated.
Speaker 1: I don't know, the garden of yeah, or with thes
in the garden and then it fell and.
Speaker 3: It became.
Speaker 5: Gold and stones.
Speaker 4: Like like.
Speaker 1: Like corrupt, Right, Okay, there's two hundred and fifty people
in here. I know somebody disagrees out of these. There's
two one hundred and fifty people in here, and nobody
wants to come on the chat. You could come on
and make any argument you want. You want, hit request
to speak, all right, I think we had this guy
on already, but he can come back church in your head,
what were you arguing?
Speaker 3: I don't remember.
Speaker 6: Uh yeah. I had a follow up question regarding the.
Speaker 36: Father deacon, and I said that bishops like lp to
Forests are basically covered by the grace of God, and
bishop's other bishops that may contradict the faith or such
as maybe.
Speaker 16: Be a humanist.
Speaker 6: Yes, I'm trying to understand if that's.
Speaker 37: The case, though, wouldn't the logical conclusion be that it's
not about the faith, but about just being inside the
true church circle.
Speaker 1: No, it's a both, and you're you're oversimplifying.
Speaker 10: The faith.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I mean there's like a legal process, right,
I mean you've got to be able to like, you
can't just be like, well, this guy's you know, he
did an action, so he's just automatically out.
Speaker 6: But no, that's.
Speaker 5: Exactly it is about the faith, because that's how you
excommunicate people, is when they go against the faith.
Speaker 4: God.
Speaker 6: There has to be an orderly legal process of doing that.
Speaker 5: And what I'm saying is if it was simply like
I hold something, it's not the faith, and that removes
the grace, think about how devastating it that means you
don't know any one time. Yeah, and you don't know
if anything's legitimate. You don't know if your marriage is legitimate.
You don't know, because anybody can hold an incorrect thing
about the faith at any particular time in private, so
that the.
Speaker 6: Opposite is just so devastating. Obviously God made it such
that like that couldn't happen, but it's yeah, I guess
I'm to follow up with that.
Speaker 36: So like if somebody within Canonic orthodoxy, though they have
valid sacraments. But what you would say, I'm assuming you say,
correct me if I'm wrong that someone like an Oriental Orthodox,
they who take their face seriously.
Speaker 1: They've already been publicly excommunicated. That's that's a false analogy.
They've already been publicly excommunicated.
Speaker 6: They're not in the church outside the arc like they're
outside the arc. Okay, gotcha. And so when it comes
to like joint declarations.
Speaker 36: Who decides, like who which bishop or patriarch has the
final say about like these joint declarations that, for example,
the one with the Oriental Orthodox says they have the same.
Speaker 3: Faith medical council. That's the only thing behind we know.
Speaker 6: We haven't had no economical council on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a bishop saying something at a meeting
or at a conference or something like that. It can
be wrong, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're automatically excommunicated.
We're not you know, trad cat Roman Catholics, where like
you're automatically communicated when you make a mistake.
Speaker 3: Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 36: Okay, So if they're inside, if you're inside the canonical church,
then there is guaranteed grace, But outside of it, there's not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the way that the councils themselves speak of
the canons and the church.
Speaker 6: Okay, gotcha, Okay, Now I appreciate the time. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 1: I this is fun too, because we don't usually get
this many people, two hundred and fifty people on.
Speaker 3: X.
Speaker 1: It's usually one hundred people on X and more people
on YouTube. For some reason, I don't know what's going
on with Maybe it's because it's a Wednesday night, but
there's less people over here. There's only eight hundred. We
just have about one thousand or more. So what's is there?
Is there some big event tonight? What's going on? What's up?
Speaker 3: Man? All right?
Speaker 1: He can't connect.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Come on now, out of two hundred and fifty people,
somebody in here has got to be disagreeing. Somebody's got
to be disagreeing. A you want to try again? Thank
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Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 38: Jay, I wanted to say, I think is a former
Protestant and I'm.
Speaker 6: Not a catechumen or anything.
Speaker 38: I've just turned towards your Orthodox church. That's like one
of the best kept secrets in America. I saw a
mega like a preacher from a mega church on YouTube
the other night, and he went to seminary school, and
he didn't need to know about the Orthodox Church. And
I can't imagine that it's widely known. And so when
they when they when it was brought up about you
going on Joe Rogan, that could be one thing, in
my opinion, that would hold that back.
Speaker 1: Well, uh, yeah, it could be, but I mean, you know,
I would imagine. I mean, Tripoli has even brought me
up on Rogan, and I'm sure Alex has mentioned me
at some point, So it does seem like it, you know,
could be a possibility. But you know, that's a good
point too. Maybe he just hasn't heard about although I
do remember some years ago Rogan did at one point
in passing say what is this Orthodox Church? I'd be
interested in that because a lot of people were saying
at the time, Hey, you should talk to him. But
maybe he's forgotten. Jesse, what's up man, Jesse? What's up?
Speaker 6: Are you there trying? Hello?
Speaker 3: Hey, okay, So have you heard of this guy Ammin Hillman?
Speaker 1: I have heard of him?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I think Jay, you're the man.
Speaker 10: For the job to go on the Danny.
Speaker 16: Jones Show and to bake this guy.
Speaker 3: Have you heard of Buddy? Danny Jones was just on
the Joe Rogan podcast and.
Speaker 35: He brought up Ammon Hillman and what he's saying, basically,
is it Christ.
Speaker 3: He's a he's a classicist, so he's saying the original.
Speaker 1: I'm awright, Yeah, it's it's like all blasphemous stuff. I'm aware.
I mean, I'm not a huge west Hoof fan, but
like even west Huff was pointing out how kind of
crazy the stuff he's saying is. Darius, what's up, Mira,
oh hero of five dollars? What did the Roman Catholic
Church be one of the ones that Christ told us
to join? No, I'm not sure where you got that
from anything? And I said, there's no. I mean in
the Orthodox Church episode succession is not some mechanical thing
that you have, Like, no matter what, if you lose
the faith, apisode, succession doesn't matter. Darius, you want to unmute?
What's up?
Speaker 3: In? Hey? Jay? Thanks for having me on Hey, What's
on your mind?
Speaker 6: I had a question regarding gnarcissism. So it's like a threefold.
Speaker 3: Question, Okay, one of one of tied into it.
Speaker 32: Is like where was and I don't know if you
addressed this on your YouTube videos if you have, you
can just tell me now, like where was.
Speaker 6: The Eastern Dutch Church during the Protestant Reformation?
Speaker 1: What do you mean where was it? It was in
all the countries?
Speaker 16: Like how come?
Speaker 1: Like this is what I'm thinking me first of all,
that the Greeks were under Turkish Ottoman nomination for many centuries.
I mean Martin Luther wrote to various Orthodox bishops and representatives. Yeah,
I heard about that, Okay, So what's the question.
Speaker 32: My thinking was is like why didn't like why did
Luther make such a jump like from the Catholic Church,
Because what I'm thinking is because he did have conversation
with the Orthodox. I heard at first he said, I
do stand with the Orthodox. But and I know you
mentioned that Protestantism and Calvinism, which I used to be
Calvinist leads to gnosticism.
Speaker 6: So I'm wondering, like where.
Speaker 32: Would you have where do you think the world would
be if like the if the West wasn't, you know,
just ruled by the papacy? How how would things have worked?
Speaker 1: I mean, do I think what.
Speaker 32: Like Renee the kartis like he was such like doubting everything.
So I was thinking, like the Protestant Reformation. I think
that's like the epitome of the fruits of just affecting
renade the car just doubting you instead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you could definitely trace Descartes's ideas and
doubting to the Reformation. Eventually, let's see slutty Gorilla Biscuits
became a member what's up man, and it gave out
a membership. Appreciate that. Circle Jerk became a member and
says for five dollars, I get a bit of pleasure
watching Hebrew Israelizes making fool themselves. Now there's you should
enjoy that because it's a insane, foolish cult. It should
be mocked, it should be made fun of. I wish
we'd get some more Hebrew Israelized to call in. We
haven't had any like bhis call in in several months.
They would. They seem to pop in on TikTok, but
I have a hard time being patient on TikTok is
just so stupid. And they haven't called in on Twitter
in a while, so I don't know where the Bhiyes
have been, but they are a lot of uh. A
lot of entertainment is found when they call in, for sure,
and they do seem to be growing, which we touched
on in the fourth Hour of Lord Voldemort. Today I
see these videos of like armies of purple wearing bhi
is marching. Uh so maybe maybe they're Yeah, and Andrew
made the point which I thought was He's pretty much correct,
is that basically in the black community, anything that smacks
of masculinity is promoted or they're they're going to fall
for that, especially if it's some kind of dumb cult
because you know, Islam Bhi that's pushed towards black dudes
because the churches are so faking gray. I'm speaking in general,
like the average you know, Protestant Evangelical church is, you know,
flying the rainbow flag and all that. So, guys, it's
open for him. If you want to ask a question,
feel free to call in through the Twitter link there
hit Request to Speak. I'll bring you up. If you
like to make an argument, you can. If you disagree,
you can make an argument against me. Make sure that
it's an argument. We don't care about how much pepper
spray you've got. You won't take my wallet, well, I'll
let my wallet in Elsa Gundo, So that Cholo needs
to head on over to Elsa Gundo to fund my
wallet make sure I didn't miss it any super chats.
What is the motivation of the ID age verification. I
don't exactly know what they're gonna do. I've seen a
lot of YouTubers and people commenting and even Lord Voldemort.
I mean, I know it's got something to do with
censorship or maybe just data collecting. I don't exactly know
how it's gonna be. I think maybe if we tie
it in with the AI. I think what's happening is
they're gonna flood the Internet with AI junk and slop
and crap butts, then the Internet will kind of be worthless. Uh,
and then it's gonna be Oh, there's a crisis. We
must verify who's real and who's not. That'll all be
done through the age ID verification Internet somehow. That's I'm
guessing what they're gonna do. Mystical ape.
Speaker 6: You, Jared, what's up?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 10: Hey man?
Speaker 39: So I'm Asias gnostic wind Us.
Speaker 6: No, I'm just kidding, com playing around, but I.
Speaker 39: Think i'm question about have you ever been to the
Minnesotan Orthodox Churches?
Speaker 1: No, I've never been to Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty rough here.
Speaker 39: I was just wondering, been shopping around trying to find
one that's not super liberal or anything.
Speaker 1: But I don't know anything. But I mean it is
Minnesota itself, like Boomer Yankee liberals everywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh for sure, for sure.
Speaker 39: But I mean it's not so bad down south where
I live, farther away from the Twin Cities. Yeah, it's
more chill. But there's no Orthodox churches outside of the city.
That's the problem. I have a friend, but it's a
heavy and it's in a rough neighborhood. It's in Saint Paul.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 5: He's a pre stronglind Uh father Mercha but it's like
all in Romania.
Speaker 10: But he's really conservative. But it's.
Speaker 6: It's in the rough area St.
Speaker 20: Paul.
Speaker 3: But it's a beautiful parish.
Speaker 6: It's over one hundred years old. So wait, that's that's
the Romanian one. That's not the Russian one. Yeah, that's
the Romanian one.
Speaker 3: I went to.
Speaker 6: I met the Greek priest one.
Speaker 5: What is that on the Lake of the Isles or
what's I think that's Mary's Mary's Greek.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 39: Well, a good one we found was it's the Oca
one Saints Hermann's Church, of Alaska.
Speaker 10: That one.
Speaker 3: That one is pretty good.
Speaker 39: I think that's where I'll start my catechiss seems pretty good.
Speaker 6: You are you and you're down the south.
Speaker 39: Yeah, I'm probably like fifty minutes.
Speaker 6: I would say, Okay, that's not that bad. Yeah, not
too terrible.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but all the you're not gonna get any orthodox
churches out there.
Speaker 6: That aren't in the cities, oh for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: No, it's mostly Catholic and Evangelical.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 39: But I did have a philosophy question too, Okay, yeah, okay,
so I heard you speak on TAG quite a lot.
Speaker 3: Now, so obviously I don't subscribe to.
Speaker 39: This belief, But what about when they come back at
you with, well.
Speaker 6: It's all just a construct and like, obviously, yeah.
Speaker 3: We don't have any moral, any moral.
Speaker 39: Or ethical position that's solid. It is just all fluid,
and you know it's just a construct. Then there's no
reason I ought to leave that position. They're telling me
it's true, right right, right? So yeah, well, I mean
that's all I had for today.
Speaker 6: Thanks guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see. No, somebody said bitcoin won't work when
there's no power. Well, first of all, I don't think
that we're headed into the eighteen hundreds era. You know,
great reset. I don't think they put all this into
into any other thing.
Speaker 6: Is if there's no power, that's the least singing in
a word.
Speaker 1: But like you think that you're gonna have better money
or yeah, I mean I think if there's no power,
like there's a lot of like it done. Yeah, we're
in a different like and like your skills are going
to be more invaluable. Gold might conceivably be what you
would return to in some insane scenario where there's no power.
But I mean, even if there's no power in say
the US, let's say there's a war and like the
power grid, I mean, do you actually think that there's
never going to be power? I mean, the electricity might
be out for six months, a year, a few years,
the power will come back on. There will be places
in the world where there is electricity. So this idea like, oh,
we're going into a future where the world will be
without power. I mean this is very very very unlikely.
I mean it's possible, but it's highly unlikely. The other things.
Speaker 6: Man, that's what they been watching too many Mad Max movies.
Speaker 1: Also, people may not be aware, but Jack Dorsey has
I think just for the first time successfully transmitted bitcoin
without the Internet. So his new pioneering thing. They have
used bluetooth now for transactions, so you can actually try.
I mean, this is it's in the beta phase, but
this is pretty revolutionary because you know, oh, what are
you going to do when there's no Internet? Well, you
can actually transact with bitcoin now without the Internet, which
is pretty big.
Speaker 5: And actually what I'm working on a project, it's called telekinesis.
Speaker 3: Bitcoin you yeah, through your mind.
Speaker 6: You don't even need We're all just connected on a
mental server.
Speaker 3: We don't even need the Internet.
Speaker 1: Let your rhythm. Two dollars peepee poop poop. Okay, there
we go. We know we're reaching the apex of super chats.
When we're at the point of just peepee poopoo super chats,
I'm just kidding. I don't mind, uh, Peter Stan ten dollars. Yeah,
but what about Agrippa's trilemma Oh yeah, owned by a
not so aerudite fan in the chat putting me in
my place.
Speaker 6: That would be another great credit coin to.
Speaker 4: Coin.
Speaker 1: There you go, there's a mean coin that's destined to explode.
Doctor eyeball ten dollars. He also says, what about Agrippa's
trilemma thank you for your work and your content? Yes, exactly,
that's you just say. If you just kind of repeat
philosophy terms over and over and over, you can't lose
a debate.
Speaker 6: Somebody should do that, like you're you know, let's say
imagine and Corey, yeah, like you're on it. But I mean,
we got these testimonies against me.
Speaker 3: But have you ever thought about a grip of tree?
Speaker 6: Lima?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what about yeah, but dasign right? Life being?
I mean life being, life being. I just repeat philosophy
phrases over no river. Hudson Preston said, hand, you see
your uh noumana, noumana? What's up?
Speaker 29: Man?
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I got twelve funko pops. You know what
do you think I should do with them?
Speaker 1: Well, the exchange rate for funko pops in Eastern Bloc
countries is actually one wife four five funko pops. You
could get five and a half wives almost, or to
excuse me, two and a half wives, two and a
half wives.
Speaker 6: How am I gonna get half a wife?
Speaker 1: Exactly? That's for you to figure out and for me
to enjoy. Y s M what's up?
Speaker 10: Hy s M?
Speaker 1: Amute? Why am why? I am c? Hello, sir, Helloosa.
Speaker 10: And man?
Speaker 40: Could I ask her just a question about dissolution of
category in the afterlife, such as not having a wife,
not having a child or siblings or any friends, or
like personal special exclusive love between other people.
Speaker 1: Yes, you may ask that.
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, I thought i'd cut out there.
Speaker 6: I didn't come through.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about it like it's an odd question.
So the question is, can I ask a question about
the dissolution of love in the afterlion?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 3: Sorry?
Speaker 41: Now is there room for personal love like in between
other people in the afterlife?
Speaker 3: Like exclusive love?
Speaker 41: Because isn't there after in the afterlife, there's a dissolution
of there's no more concept of having friends or children,
or there's no births, there's.
Speaker 1: No well no, the relations still obtain. You'll never stop
being your the son of your mother. So what do
you mean?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 6: But there will be no there will be no new children.
Speaker 1: Or am mm hmm. So that doesn't mean that the
love relations that exist now go away.
Speaker 14: Okay, just not new ones. Sorry, yes, okay, right, Uh well,
thank you for your time.
Speaker 26: So that was sure.
Speaker 1: Uh splend splind.
Speaker 10: I'm you, Hello, Jay dire m hm. It's really a
big pleasure to which my band.
Speaker 1: What's up, man, what's on your mind? What's on your mind?
Speaker 10: What's on my mind? I cannot actually, first of all,
believe that I am speaking with you. I don't know
why I entered on you.
Speaker 1: Well, I am an adva, so I do condescend sometimes
to talk to the plubs.
Speaker 10: Okay, I have two questions. There are a little bit
big questions though.
Speaker 26: The last day I was speaking with a guy who
was believing in the faith only salvation.
Speaker 3: I think you are more knowledgeable in this topic.
Speaker 26: And he was like telling me that if you only
believe in Jesus and you just say that, you will
for sure go to heaven. And it's it seemed to
me it's simplistic, makes sense to you. Do you have
any commentary on that? I just don't know how to
ask this question. Yeah, I think I have.
Speaker 1: I have several videos that refute sola fide or justification
by faith alone, so I would just look up, you know,
some of my critiques of Protestantism and justification by faith
alone that are on the clips channels or on my channel,
not trying to be dismissive. It's just I'm a little
too tired to kind of rehearsal that tonight. But mister goodfellow,
twenty dollars day, thank you for contending for the faith.
Would you debate oneest Pentecostals and the training. Guys, if
you've got friends that are into weird, stupid theology or whatever,
send them the link to come on here. I'm not
going to go out trying to find a oneeness Pentecostal person. Yeah,
they can come here anytime they want, and that's why
we do this is to allow them to come and
have these conversations. So, if you've got friends that are
into oneness, We've had one nest Pentecostals modalists call in.
I'd say probably twenty of them have called in over
the last five years. They are spreading like wildfire. They
need to be exposed. Well, we actually have quite a
few responses and interactions with them. If you would like
to support the stream, you can do so through super chats.
Send a super chat through stream labs and YouTube doesn't
take a cut, or if you have to, you can
send a super chat through YouTube. Guys. Uh, I'm just
mystified by the number of people listening and the number
of people not calling in. This is unheard of. I've
never seen this kinds of disparities in the numbers and
the stats. I don't understand. How do we have only
six hundred people on YouTube two hundred and fifty people
and nobody wants to call in. It's just never like this.
I don't understand. Maybe it's all bots. Maybe Elon has
sent out bots on Twitter.
Speaker 10: And uh.
Speaker 1: Uh so info Wars posted today's show. I wonder if
Alex is gonna post it. If you did, if you
missed it, we did do a good interview with Andrew today. John,
what's something they're all scared? I don't know about that.
I mean we it seems like there used to be
just a steady stream of you know, people coming on
to argue and debate. John, you want to mute?
Speaker 31: Yeah, I just wanted to remind you you have like
ten different topics pulled up on your.
Speaker 3: Knack to go through.
Speaker 8: If the calls are getting stale like this.
Speaker 1: One, well you don't have to be stale, doll. You
ain't stale. You fresh. Yes, we could get it. We
could get into some of the topics. I just figured
we would have, like usually there's like people just piled up,
and if there's this many people, two hundred and fifty,
it's just really rare to see no one calling in
disaster chief. Usually there's like, if there's that many people,
there's like twenty people on line.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize. So Andrew is debating a black keeper Israelite.
Oh he's debating like that really crazy one Zari Yak.
Oh my gosh. So everybody's watching that debate. That must
be what's going on, disaster? What's something?
Speaker 3: Man? Hey, how's it going?
Speaker 10: Jake?
Speaker 42: You know I heard that, you know, not as many
callers if this is something that you can point to
a video.
Speaker 6: Or it's you don't want to hash out.
Speaker 41: I get it.
Speaker 42: But I've been getting deeper into TAG, kind of evolving
out of a slow boy understanding and really starting to
get into the weeds of it. And when I'm debating
with people, I've got some new questions and I think
are a bit more thoughtful. The first one is there
is a Protestant friend of mine who I really respect,
but he was saying that TAG is a form of
natural theology, which I'm not going to pretend to know
a lot about but I know that that's something we
at least from your position, is kind of rejected. So
what would you say to that criticism that's a form of.
Speaker 1: Natural It's I mean, this is the mistake that Trent
Horn made. Go watch the debate with Trent Horn. Trent
Horn thinks that natural theology is just using reasoning and
logic exactly, and that's not what natural. Natural theology is. Quote,
reasoning about God apart from any reference to divine revelation.
That's how it's defined. So using things like logic and reasoning,
which you know are part of nature, they're part of
human nature, having the faculty of reasoning, that doesn't equate
to natural theology. So it's actually a word concept fallacy
and a category error. Joshua Cook, what's up? Joshua Cook? Yeah,
I mean I don't blame people for, you know, wanting
to go like these black keeper Israelite debates. Man, they
are something else. They are definitely entertaining because like the
the stuff these people believe is it's next level. Dude.
It's like, I mean, you talk about word like you
talk about word concept fallacies, like when you get into
the Black Keeper Israelite version of word concept fallacies. It's impressive,
like the way it is very awesome, but it's impressive
with how wild they'll get with Like right here, you
see this text that talk about Jesus happened. Uh h
in the song are Songs My Beloved is dark skin?
It's like, wow, you think that's proof that Jesus was black?
That's insane? Or what's the verse about?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: When John sees Jesus glorified and.
Speaker 10: It's like.
Speaker 1: I forget that, I forget the verse, but it's something
about his hair and it's like, oh see that's that's
a kinky hair right there. What's up, man, Josh?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, Jenny, Hey, I was just curious.
Speaker 43: It's all in the Philosopher and Out of Russia Alexander
Dugan and uh, it seems like he's pretty based orthodox,
trying to call you know, the Russian people back to
Orthodoxy and traditionalism. Just wanting to get your thoughts on that.
Speaker 6: I think he's biased.
Speaker 1: He's a he's I mean, I get paid by Vladimir
Putin in Dougan coin. Don't haven't you listened to the
Roman Catholics. They they literally pay me in Soviet Coin
to talk about Dugan. And also I'm secret Croleyan because
in the nineteen eighties Dugan said he liked Croley. So
I mean, I think that Dugan is insightful when he
critiques Western Atlantis's geopolitical theory. I think he's got good
critiques of Darwinism. But if you read Fourth Political Theory,
the last chapter is just super gnostic and not orthodox
at all. So I think there's pros and cons with Dugan.
But as to how Orthodoxy's theology is, I'm not sure.
But that's pretty much what I've thought about Dugan for
the last I don't know ten years push or t
We got actual rappers calling in. Now a rapper you
have the name of a rapper?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's that is my name. I don't know
what this is.
Speaker 32: I google the.
Speaker 6: Call in and like went to YouTube live and this
how you boys doing?
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 10: So us?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a debate stream. What's on your mind?
Speaker 6: What's on your mind?
Speaker 1: All the things listed in the descriptor?
Speaker 3: Oh word?
Speaker 32: Uh?
Speaker 3: What's the the general topic of conversation?
Speaker 15: How does this work?
Speaker 16: Did I just get to chat with your films?
Speaker 1: It's a debate stream, and the debate topics are listed
in giant bowl print after the word debate.
Speaker 10: Get it?
Speaker 6: So what well, what's your tape on God?
Speaker 1: God exists and we believe in the Orthodox Christian view
of the Trinity.
Speaker 13: Okay?
Speaker 3: Can you break that down like like sentence sentence and
a half like.
Speaker 8: Real quick of like what your like main belief is?
Speaker 1: Orthodox Christianity believes in the Bible. I believe in the
Apostolic succession. Uh, it's the Christianity that you read about
in the Church Fathers, the second largest quote branch of
Christianity in the world.
Speaker 3: What else from me?
Speaker 10: What else?
Speaker 3: Your one question for you?
Speaker 34: So?
Speaker 3: Where did you grow up religious? I?
Speaker 10: Did? Yeah? How old do you know?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 1: Should have to think for a second. In my forties.
Speaker 6: Okay, the word? Do you have a lot of religious friends?
Speaker 8: Are most of your friends similar faith to you?
Speaker 6: Or at least Christians in general?
Speaker 3: We just got rid of all the other ones.
Speaker 1: Many of them are yes, did you What do you
mean he's joking? Yes, many of them are.
Speaker 20: Well, Okay, I.
Speaker 6: I want you to try to convince me because I
am one of you guys.
Speaker 3: Don't see anything to like.
Speaker 6: Me very much?
Speaker 27: Not you guys specifically, but the Orthodox Fellas, because I
don't know what kind of God there is, but I
do not.
Speaker 6: Believe that it is like the Abrahamic like that guy,
I don't. I just don't see. I guess, like I just,
I find him to be relatively cruel.
Speaker 3: And I'm not a huge fan of the idea of
me having because.
Speaker 6: I'm sure that there is something going on up there,
and if I'm wrong, then sure, I'm damned for But
like I just, I don't see it as worth my.
Speaker 31: Time to have this obligation to devote myself to this
I'm mean present being that.
Speaker 6: Apparently has my best interest in mine. But also if
I do my own thing and do not give myself
to him entirely, I will be damned for return.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: That's my biggest problem with it.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, maybe maybe that's not the path
for you protest proto clitus. What's up man?
Speaker 41: Hello?
Speaker 1: Yeah, one second, let me try to fix.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 44: Yeah, So I was just wondering what your take was
on because I know, obviously libertarianism doesn't have a justification
for I guess like the non harm, non aggression principal,
But since we are in like a liberalized society, we
can't like obviously push the view of monarchy.
Speaker 6: It just wouldn't work out in our system.
Speaker 44: I was wondering what you kind of thought about just
for more practical reason, siding with more like Austrian libertarian
ideas just for practicality basically, And if so, what books
you could recommend on that, because I watched your bitcoin
stream and you referenced a lot of books there, but
I can't find any of them at any libraries or
bookstores within like fifty miles of me.
Speaker 6: You.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a huge fan of bezos, but
you don't order books from the internet? What do you mean.
Speaker 44: Usually they're a lot more expensive and I'm on a budget.
Speaker 1: No, if you get them used on the internet, they're
usually cheaper.
Speaker 44: Okay, I'll double check that, But yeah, I still wondering
what you kind of thought about voting from more Austrianic practices.
Speaker 1: Uh, well, I mean, I don't even know that voting
even does anything. Voting itself is kind of like I mean,
other outside of like the local level, I don't know
that vote voting really does much. But I don't really
think any of this stuff even matters other than for
you as an individual, uh, you know, figuring out a
way to you know, create a savings which I think
for most people, that's what bitcoin would function as kind
of your replacement. I mean, I can't tell you what
to do. I'm not a financial advisor, but like if
I was, you know, doing let's say, if I was
a blue collar, working class dude and not a fabulous
celebrity haughty hot cop ediva, I would utilize that as
kind of my savings account, right, Like, so you know,
people have quote savings accounts. I don't know why you
would have a savings account because you don't get anything
from saving in dollars and you lose money over time.
But I mean I think for the average person it
would it would function better for something like that. So
people think of this as like some sort of investment
where you put money in and get out really quick.
I don't think that's wise for the average person. I mean,
this is like the new version of a savings account.
And if you read the seipha De Bitcoin Standard book,
he's kind of just pointing out that what we used
to do used to do a savings account and having
a savings account and you know, earning some money on
that or whatever. That doesn't really exist anymore because they
really started pushing people living in debt, living on credit
cards and so forth, and punishing people who tried to save.
And the devaluation of the dollar, amongst many things, also
punishes people who save. So you know, look into something
like that and the Bitcoin standard through savings polar bur
what's up, Circle Jerk? Look up the artist John Ward
in the song Killer Whale. You will thank me later
or he says, You're welcome. Don't let your memes be
your dreams. I've not heard of John Ward. I'll have
to check that out. He says, also for five dollars.
Do you have thoughts on Acts seventeen the YouTuber? Are
you talking about David Wood? I've done a few streams
with Rid Vaughan and David Wood. I don't think he's Orthodox,
but he is the stepping stone and he is the
terror to Islam. I think David was really good when
it comes to debating Islam, and I've learned a lot
from David Wood. But you know, as Orthodox Christians, obviously
we don't agree with sort of the evangelical Protestant approach.
What's up, polar Birr.
Speaker 20: Hey, Jay, I was just wondering, like, what's your position
on like Ukraine, Russia Ward.
Speaker 3: And so I only probably addressed this, but.
Speaker 1: I think that it was agitated by the West. I
think the West did not adhere to the Minsk agreements.
I think the West engaged in the coup. They funded
it through Soros money, the CIA, the snipers, Orange Revolution.
So I think that it's classically a Russian territory and
should not be. I'm not a huge fan of NATO.
That doesn't mean I think that Putin is perfect or
Medvedev's perfect or anything like that. But I definitely think
that the West is on the wrong side of this one.
Speaker 3: Okay, interesting, Okay, thanks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why they push the neo Nazis in Ukraine.
John McCain goes over there and those tours with them.
It's all the old Cold War ascu me, post World
War Two Gladio Galen Network stuff. Kenny, what's up Kenny one?
Speaker 10: On you?
Speaker 6: Hi Hi?
Speaker 10: I have a few questions for you.
Speaker 29: I've been listening to tons of your videos, like.
Speaker 10: A few a day for a while.
Speaker 36: Okay, and I don't I don't really know what I
am anymore.
Speaker 29: I thought I was Protestant, I don't. I don't know
what type of Protestant I am. But I grew up
in a Christian household. My dad's whole family is Lutheran.
Speaker 22: My mom and dad decided that there was a lot
about Lutheranism that wasn't biblical, and so I guess we
would be considered evangelical Protestants.
Speaker 3: That totally split my family apart.
Speaker 33: And so I have a lot of.
Speaker 29: It's all kind of it doesn't really make sense anymore,
like the schism between our family.
Speaker 6: But after listening to some of your videos.
Speaker 29: But anyways, the thing I wanted to ask is, I'm
totally like questioning Protestantism entirely. And but one of the
things that I was thinking about, and maybe it's not
a disagreement, but I'm just hoping you can prove me wrong,
I guess, is that one of the things I really
hate about Protestant churches is that they don't all seem
to be on the same page. They disagree with each other. So,
like I said, my family doesn't like they think we're
going to Hell, but they don't agree on anything that
they don't like all of each other. It's like kind
of all over the place. But I started googling like
around me or box churches to go to, and I
was like bamboozled by all the different ones. And then
when one of your videos you post, someone called in
and asked, like, which one should I go to? And
you used to Serbian, Romanian, Russian or Antioch And I
hope I'm pronouncing that quickly.
Speaker 1: Those just usually tend to be pretty good. It's I mean,
it's not like what I would actually say is because
different people, situations are different. I would visit the ones
that are close and make the decision not so much
on the basis of the name or the jurisdiction, but
like where you you find the people and the priests
to be the best, that's more important than like the jurisdiction.
Speaker 29: Okay, so okay, then maybe that answers my question.
Speaker 3: So they all believe the same.
Speaker 1: Thing, it's just okay, Yeah, the difference is there will
be either ethnic or linguistic. But most of these churches
now in America are getting more and more converts, so
there's more, there's more and more you know, American native
English speaking people in a lot of these churches in
the last few years than there was like six years ago,
because like six years ago it was a lot of
ethnic parishes and people. If people wanted English speaking, it
was like Antiochian or Oca. But yeah, I think you
should just check them all out.
Speaker 29: Okay, Because I was giggling to myself and I was like,
me and my southern family going into a Russian church.
Speaker 3: I'm like, we're not going to know what's going on.
Speaker 6: But anyways, okay. So the other question I had, and
maybe it's just that my poor experience.
Speaker 1: The one thing I would say to avoid is when
you see Coptic, that's not Orthodox, So don't go to
the Copper tack.
Speaker 6: Okay, got it.
Speaker 29: The other question I had, and this is maybe like
my negative experience with a lot of churches school.
Speaker 6: Of boomers, is I have toddlers.
Speaker 29: And so like, are Orthodox people like really friendly with
kids like in fans.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah. In fact, they they're part of the liturgy
and they commune.
Speaker 6: So yes, okay, okay, so they don't have This is
really a point.
Speaker 5: So Sunday school is actually a Protestant thing because in
Orthodoxy the kids are.
Speaker 1: Running around, they're in the service yeah.
Speaker 3: They're in the service.
Speaker 29: Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a huge difference.
Speaker 5: It's a huge difference. Yeah, they're they're not removed from
the service.
Speaker 6: They go to school.
Speaker 5: Now, if they do Sunday school, it's after the service
or something like that, but it's never when we were
growing up Protestant, it was, oh, the adults go to
the church service and the kids go to Sunday school,
so the family's broken up.
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 5: In Orthodoxy the kids are running around its babies crying
like it's it's very organic and family orient.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's good to hear.
Speaker 29: I really love that because my three old son hates
going to Sunday school, and Sunday school is actually where
I learned that, like America was supposed to love Israel,
so which I.
Speaker 1: Don't know that Orthodox churches are not Zionists. We don't.
We don't follow Zionism at all.
Speaker 6: So yeah, that's from I kind of noticed that.
Speaker 29: But it's anyways, I feel like there's a lot going
on in Sunday school classes.
Speaker 1: For like, when you have little kids, you think.
Speaker 3: Of these things.
Speaker 29: You're like, what are you teaching my kids or are
you just throwing hot wheels at them? Okay, last question
I had.
Speaker 16: Okay, so what is the.
Speaker 1: I can't hurry againstick out what's what?
Speaker 3: Sorry?
Speaker 29: And I'm probably not going to use all the correct
terminology here, so just bear with me. But I've been
listening to you talk about the trinity, and can you
tell me the Orthodox position on where Jesus was tempted
by Satan and then also the passage where he's in
the garden a getsemone and asks for the cup to
be taken from him. I don't I don't understand how, like,
how could he be tempted if he's God, if they're one.
I know he has a physical body, I forget that,
but how could he be tempted? And then and then
when he asks for the cup to be taken from him,
and he separates.
Speaker 1: His not literally he distinguishes his will from the will right,
so he has a human will and he has a
divine will. So that's this wise Orthodox we think that
there's two wills. Those wills are never out of a chord.
They're always in synergy because for us, will is a
property of nature, and Christ always retained two natures, even
when he was incarnate, even when he died, and even
when he was resurrected, there's the full deification of the
human will, but it never loses it's created at natural property.
So to be specific, though, the answer to what you're
asking about the death of Christ or shut me the
prayer in the garden and the temptation. As Orthodox, we
believe that he's a divine person, meaning that the subject
is divine, and when he's tempted, the temptation is occurring
according to the external situation that he's in. So there
was never within Christ any internal move towards sin or
towards selfishness or something like that. Because he was not fallen.
He is the new atom, and because he's born of
a virgin and he's not born of Adam's progeny in
the sense of having ancestral sin, the virgin birth ensures
that Christ will not have any internal movements towards sin
in terms of his human nature. So he's a divine
subject with a divine nature, and he has a fully
human nature that he assumed in the incarnation, and the
temptations are real in that they are really presented external
to him. He really does have bread. That's you know,
is presumably there that Satan's offering him when he's in
the desert, in the wilderness. But because he's not fallen,
he's not ever internally like, you know, oh, I'm almost gonna,
you know, violate God's law. And there's a distinction that
we make in Orthodox theology that Saint Maximus talk about,
particularly in at the Lassium, where he distinguishes the blameful
passions and the blame less passions. The blame full passions
are what we experience being human beings who are descendants
of Adam and who do have ancestral sin or original sin.
So we are born with a tendency to sin, to
do things that are wrong, to fulfill our passions, to
choose the vices, to be selfish, to choose gluttony, drunkenness, lust, whatever,
those are the vices. Those are things that we consent
to because we have an internal movement towards those, because
of the fall, and because of what we call blame
full passions. Jesus had no blame full passions because he
was not subject to original sin, but he did willingly
take on the blame less passions, namely things like being hungry,
being thirsty, and not wanting to die. So in the
garden when he prays. And this is Maximus's dispute with Peuris.
They have a debate over this. It's a it's a
little book called disputation with Pearis being a divine subject
and having a a blame less desire not to die.
There's nothing blameful about, you know, not wanting to die.
It's something natural. Jesus, even though he doesn't want to die,
submits to the will of the Father and chooses to
undergo that death because the Father wills it and for
our good and for our salvation. So hopefully that helps
to answer that question. And I think Mason your next
H Brosey ten dollars. Appreciate you, H Brosey, But I'm
not going to read that one because she was sincerely inquiring.
So I appreciate your super chat. What's up man, Hey,
what's on your mind?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 44: So, first off, I just wanted to say I love
when you come on the Alex Jones show on Info Words.
Speaker 3: This is the first time taking into the spaces. Thank you.
So I know this is supposed to be a debate and.
Speaker 4: I'm definitely not here to necessarily debate you.
Speaker 16: And if anyone's got a problem with what you are saying.
Speaker 4: I hope that they come up and.
Speaker 16: Push back.
Speaker 1: We don't have to debate. You can ask questions, dud,
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 16: Okay. My first question is what is the difference, because
what's the.
Speaker 24: Difference between Orthodox Christian and non denominational Christian? Because I
consider myself a non denominational Christian.
Speaker 16: But it sounds like.
Speaker 3: I agree with I mean, it was so far right.
Speaker 1: Well, so what I would say is, you know, go
watch you can look at a documentary like the Icon
documentary or something like that. I think if you're a Protestant,
most people who encounter Orthodoxy and are not familiar, they
would see it as they would think, oh, this is
some quote Catholic thing. So we do have absolute succession,
we do have a tradition. We do have you know,
high church liturgy with vestiments and smells and bells and
so all those things would be you know, things that
Orthodoxy has that you would probably think are quote Catholic. Clouds.
Maybe we'll call it an evening after this. What's up, Clouds?
Speaker 3: Hello, what's on your mind? Hey?
Speaker 20: I just want to say things for your immense.
Speaker 3: Body of work.
Speaker 45: I've just been watching your videos daily for a few
months now, and it's cleared up a lot of things
in my head that I sort of held true to,
And I was quite surprised just how many like work
concept fallacies I had that.
Speaker 3: I just didn't even know.
Speaker 45: It's kind of just like wincing and cringe at it.
But I had a few questions, if you wouldn't mind.
The first one was a personal one, just in your
own journey. I said that you went to Orthodoxy and
then back to Catholicism. I was just curious what that
swing back was about when you first came into Orthodoxy.
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't come in because I was I was
a catech human and I was taking classes, and I
was still very Augustinian and Tomistic in my thinking. So
there were certain things that I struggled with at that
time that I hadn't really read really in depth into,
like the essence center distinction, stuff like that. I encountered
some of the issues and the topics, but I hadn't
read significant amounts of literature on it. So I just
wasn't ready. I had so much Latin Western baggage in
my head. I also at that time fell for a
lot of the paper quote minds most of which have
been kind of debunked and dealt with for me as
far as I'm aware. I mean, I say most of
which is because every now and then a Roman Catholic
can dig up some quote that you're not familiar with.
But that's what it was back in two thousand and
I don't know. Eight I think was when I when
I was fluctuating between Orthodoxy and in Rome.
Speaker 6: Lovely, Yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 45: I just I'm doing a lot of zizoring myself, but
now I'm sort of finally on track to enter to
the Orthodox Church maybe early next year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, like like, uh, there's a
lot of materials and things that are coming out now
that like that I didn't have access to it. We
didn't have back then. So for example, you know Sishensky's
books that talk about Orthodoxy and the papacy or history
of the Philioquay, or George's new book that just come out.
It came out eras of the Latins volume one and two. Like,
we didn't have a lot of this stuff back then,
and so it was kind of like, you know, very
few internet resources, a few blogs, few websites, and then
kind of trying to sift through tons and tons of
you know, papal quote minds and stuff like that. So
things are a lot better nowadays in terms of kind
of getting to the meat of the issue quicker than
then was available. In two thousand and seven, JB. Pilty
a two dollars to become a chat NERD one's first
be a slow boy chase. What's up, man, This is
a different chase. This is the less bigoted chase.
Speaker 3: Cool. I didn't know which chase was bigoted, but I'm
way better than the last.
Speaker 1: Chase, exactly exactly.
Speaker 6: Hey, Jay, Hey, I have a question.
Speaker 31: I've been kind of like stepping my way into Orthodoxy
for a while now, but dude, it's so annoying. Like
I don't mean to like hate on them, but like
so many of like my Protestant friends people have Milen
pastors have been like clemonizing the Orthodox.
Speaker 1: Well, it's cause so many people are converting and they
don't know what to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I had a question about the essence energies distinction.
Speaker 31: Okay, So I before I started going to Orthodox parish,
I was going to an Anglican one and he was Orthodox,
and he was basically saying, no, this is like, a,
this is a big heresy because it introduces potentiality to God,
and he never explained that, and I can't see why
it would.
Speaker 8: So I was just wondering, have you heard that before,
like somebody saying that.
Speaker 31: The essence energies distinction, because it's a real distinction, would
introduce potentiality into God.
Speaker 1: Well, if you read the Barnes text or if you
read you know, debates about the modal collapse argumentation in
A since it does because God really does have the
ability to choose to create or to not create, and
that's why you can't reduce God to act as purists
as Thomas do. So the Cappadocians just don't even see
this to be a problem. The only people who see
this to be a problem are people who have Roman
Catholic Toumistic assumptions about metaphysics first and then God has
to be squeezed into the box of Tomistic Aristotilian metaphysics,
where actually it's more so Platonic metaphysics than it does
even Aristotilian, because Ariosol actually believes in the Essen centeri sinction,
he's kind of the father of it. But it's actually
a Platonic idea that simplicity must mean no sense in
which God possesses the ability to do or to not
do something. Yeah, pure act, right, right, And we do
believe and use the terminology of God being actus, purists
or pure act. But if you read the two hundred
chapters of Saint Maximus, the first five pages, he distinguishes
when we do and when we don't use this terminology. So,
for example, if we talk about is the divine essence
strictly speaking, is it composite? Is it susceptible to change?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 1: Does? If we can trast God to creatures, can we
call him pure act? Yes, So these are the situations
in which the terminology of pure act is used. But
we don't, for example, say that person is essence, it's
reducible to essence, and that God is strictly identical to
pure act, as Thomas do. Because again, if you read
one hundred fifty chapters, if you look at paragraphs ninety
eight to one oh three, Saint Gary Palamas does a
series of reductio arguments where he shows that this just
kind of ends up in absurdity. If you say that
the attribute of divi providence is identical to the attribute
of the eternal glory of God. Then we end up
with eternal worlds. It's just silly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, totally silly.
Speaker 31: I had one more question if that's all. Yeah, So
in like I'm I don't believe in solar scripture. I
haven't for a while. That was one of the things
that made it really easy to come to orthodoxy. But
it's just like it's so weird when somebody tries to
pull up like the Church Fathers, and obviously the church
Fathers have such high reverence for you know, scripture obviously,
but they'll like pull up a scripture or like a.
Speaker 8: Quote from them to like prove sola scriptura.
Speaker 31: But it's just them saying that you need the scriptures,
we should weigh everything against the scriptures.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's never a solo scriptura. It's just like
you know, yeah, yeah, scriptures are authoritative, they're not the
only authority.
Speaker 31: Yeah, But when you look at it, like from a
philosophical they're always like, well, it's the only thing that
comes from God, or it's like it's God breathed. But
if I'm looking at it this like correctly, like it
still goes through a man writing it down.
Speaker 8: Yes, it's it's divinely inspired, it's from God.
Speaker 1: But yeah, well, the church fathers also make they also
make the analogy to the incarnation, that the doctrine of
inspiration is analogous to the synergy that occurs between Christ
to nature's right. So likewise, the inspiration of the scriptures
is analogous to there being. There is a human element
to it, there's also a divine element.
Speaker 31: And so my point is you could have the same
thing with tradition, you could have the same thing with
the church. Yes, it goes through men, but it's by
God that we can have these councils be infallible. I
don't see it almost seems like special pleading on like
the Protestants side to say scripture can be this way
but and that it's almost like, yeah, scripture is the
only reason why it can be this one because it's
from God.
Speaker 1: But well, how did so, like before Moses, how did
God's people worship and love God since as far as
we know, they didn't have any written form, Well, they
were doing it orally and through tradition. So yeah, it's
it's kind of silly when Protestants sort of have this
as far as he can always points out. It's a
very modern assumption. It's like, well, we all just read
the book, and it's like, well, not everybody even had
access to the book or could read in the ancient
medieval world. So thank you guys so much. I think
I've had I'm a little worn out now I'm getting
kind of mush mine. So remember two if you want
to come see me at the Ludwell Conference, I'll be
speaking there with Jim Jotris and Metropolitan Jonah and Buck
Johnson and maybe I forget who else is going to
be there, but several people will be speaking. You can
get the tickets in the show description. A third annual
level conference in Stafford, Virginia, and then we will also
be having in November our conference down here in Florida, myself,
Metropolitan Jonah, the Father, Vladimir Father, Deacon doctor Anonias, and
probably several other people that are in the works circle
Jerk five dollars. How often do you do these streams?
Usually two or three times a week, but you know,
sometimes it varies. I've been exposing my cousin a Orthodoxy,
he's Baptists. I wanted to call in. Yeah, people call
in through Twitter, so you call in through the ex link.
Let's see if we got any more, doctor iball one dollar.
Here's a dollar for father Deacon and Ias to create
telepath coin. Okay, well I'll send that dollar to him.
Mister goodfellow, I know we read that one. Yeah, all right, everybody,
have a good night. H Brosey. I love you, Bro,
but I appreciate the super chat, but I'm not going
to read that one just because she seemed like an
honest inquirer. Last person, Cornelius, you're the last one tonight,
last call.
Speaker 10: What's up?
Speaker 1: Cornelius?
Speaker 3: Hello?
Speaker 20: Yo, So I think ten or fifteen minutes ago you
talked about a little bit of about Ukraine. I respect
your work in theology and geopolitics, but I see don't
don't see a difference between what the Russian state media
says and your position. Could you operate? What is the difference?
I really don't see very different.
Speaker 1: Well, the question is is it wrong or right? Not
which media outlet or what person says it, because that's
just a genetic fallacy're ad hominem. So there's an is
did NATO keep to the Minsk agreements and not expanding?
Speaker 3: There is no misagreement?
Speaker 1: Uh, there there wasn't what do you mean.
Speaker 3: Well, not on paper? It's okay, Well.
Speaker 1: Wasn't it part of NATO? Wasn't it part of NATO's
original mission to not expand.
Speaker 20: That That's what politicians said verbally. But there's no agreement.
But there is an agreement, that memorandum, which in which
Russia has verified the territory of Ukraine. So I really
don't understand why even you don't you say that parts
of Ukraine are Yes, they are, even Russia has signed
the agreement of the Buddhapesta Memorandum or I don't know
what's called in English.
Speaker 1: Okay, but I mean historically though it's it's the heart
of Russia.
Speaker 20: Right Well, heart is a bit vague, but vague is
historically it is historical.
Speaker 1: Then it's not vague if you if you ad meant
that it is historically.
Speaker 3: There's still you can't.
Speaker 20: You can't divide the world in where countries had their
historical centrist or even there there.
Speaker 1: Really you can't start with that, so you would have
a new war, right, But I mean, you know that
it is historically Russia, right, uh?
Speaker 3: On parts of it?
Speaker 1: Okay? Okay, all right? So is as all battalion and
right sector and probably sector those are good guys. No, okay,
so who are the good guys here? Because you know
the good guys apparently.
Speaker 20: What what what you mean by who's the good guess?
There's so many wars in which there is no clearly
good side, So I don't see that that's up.
Speaker 3: So what what?
Speaker 10: What?
Speaker 1: What's the answer here? So I'm wrong? What specifically am
I wrong about?
Speaker 20: Well, I'm I don't understand your position.
Speaker 1: That I mean, I just stated what I thought was
the case. I mean, let me ask you.
Speaker 20: This has the what it's historically everyone knows it.
Speaker 1: But wait a minute you said a minute ago. Well,
now you're being deceptive because a minute ago you said
that you can't really say it's a heart of Russia.
But now you're saying that, oh, well everybody knows that
it was it's part of Russia.
Speaker 20: No, no, no, no, I don't mean that, don buss Crimea.
This was part of the old rules. I don't know
what's what part of I wouldn't call it the heart.
But all this is not relevant because yes, you know why,
because if we start to think about what relatory uh
five hundred years ago, then we where in the world,
wouldn't we have a war?
Speaker 1: So nothing's relevant. Nothing's relevant historically because we're not.
Speaker 20: It's not agreements, agreements which of states that have signed them,
for example.
Speaker 1: U N or the U s C, the U N.
So that's what's rollant, the U N.
Speaker 20: NO bilateral agreements, much as the Buddhapesta memorandum where Russia has.
Speaker 3: Signed the agreement.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, let me ask you a questions.
So did do you think that was the as correct
and good when they set up multiple bioweapons labs all
around Ukraine in Russia?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No, okay, So but wait a minute, now you're agreeing
with Russian state media. So you're a Russian propagandas now,
I don't.
Speaker 20: Agree with them that that they are in Ukraine to
to fight Nazis or things like that, there are a
Nazis in Ukraine, but unfortunately or I don't know, not unfortunately,
but after two years most of them are dead and
even if they.
Speaker 3: Stay.
Speaker 20: They got into Ukraine to kill the Nazis. Well, at
least this they succeeded. But what they don't succeeded, which
was the real reason, is to occupy Ukraine. I mean,
in the first days of the war. They even took
with them the uniforms, not I.
Speaker 1: Don't know who you're talking You keep saying like these
sort of vague they they they I don't know what
you're talking about. You're talking about a battalion. What are
you talking about? What soldiers who?
Speaker 20: Russian soldiers in the first days of the war.
Speaker 3: I think in the first or three weeks even had
with them.
Speaker 20: Uniforms because they thought they would win, like in two
to three days they would win, and then they can
immediately make a parade through Kiev. So they it wasn't
just to fight the Nazis or fight the West. I
don't see that.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what you're saying. You've lost me
with the imprecise they them this.
Speaker 3: Like, what are you saying Russian.
Speaker 20: Government, as I understand it, uh.
Speaker 1: As has one.
Speaker 20: Yes, but everyone's lying.
Speaker 3: So what.
Speaker 1: You're saying that there's no more there are no more
as fighters, there's no more people with these ideologies in
the Ukraine, No there are, and now there are.
Speaker 20: I don't understand why, especially.
Speaker 1: So you're you're basically quoting, you're quoting BBC propaganda that
the BBC is good. What you accuse me, bro, you
accuse me of just repeating Russian state propaganda. I started
listening to you historical stuff. You said, the history doesn't
matter anymore, and now you're just giving me BBC propaganda.
That is what you said.
Speaker 20: What do you mean though, I said that there are
no Nazis in Ukraine?
Speaker 1: I asked you and I said, you said that this
isn't the case anymore. In the soldiers with uniforms and
the people, and like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 20: There are in Ukraine Nazis and soldiers that have these
symbols black son. I don't know how they're called in English.
And that's bad. And I don't understand why there was
sense weapons to Ukraine. But doesn't say you have to
take these people down.
Speaker 1: You know what, what people?
Speaker 3: The Nazis, the Nazis.
Speaker 1: You don't understand why the West would prop up those groups.
The West has always propped up those groups. What are
you talking about? You know what Galen or.
Speaker 20: Yes, America yea America, yes, but Germany no, at least
we no.
Speaker 1: No, no, I'm talking I'm not talking about german Many.
I'm talking about the Galen Org and the Galen network
and that network in Ukraine that was taken over by
Western intelligence. That's what became the B and D. Your
intelligence network is literally the old Nazi network.
Speaker 20: That's a very specific and historical fact. But there's a
difference between what was right after the war, where literally
every neighbor of yours was a Nazi and.
Speaker 1: Ever of mine in America. What do you what do
you mean?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 3: In in Germany?
Speaker 20: I mean in Germany, but there were there were some
You couldn't You couldn't build a nation in Germany with
old Nazis, even even the Communists. Germany had to rely
on former soldiers, generals that were part of the Wehrmacht.
Speaker 3: And at least today the B and D is not filled.
Speaker 20: With a Nazi now.
Speaker 3: I know that.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they are today. I'm just saying that.
I'm just saying that the history of the intelligence networks
of the post world, the post World War two world
where essentially when when tiny mustache Man lost, the CIA
took over those networks, and the CIA basically set up
your intelligence apparatus. The CIA is all up in Germany,
and so everything that comes out of German media or
British media is literally just CIA and British intelligence propaganda.
So the fact that I cite something that is.
Speaker 20: What how do you come to the question that everything
every German media.
Speaker 1: Is I don't mean literally every single person. I'm saying
that the post World War two entire media apparatus in
Germany was set up by the the predecessor to the EU,
the OSCE, which was created by the O s S.
So that's that's not that's a fact too. You didn't
know that.
Speaker 20: So why so you're saying that the s CE is.
Speaker 3: C I A.
Speaker 1: No, the os S set up all of those European
those proto European Union networks that became the EU, that
was all the OSS Well obviously, yeah, well wait a minute.
Obviously you sounded like two minutes ago you weren't aware
of that, and now you're saying, obviously, so which one is?
Speaker 3: Well maybe I sounded like that, but that's not true.
Speaker 1: Okay, so now it is all. But so then you
shouldn't take issue with me saying that German media is
largely also going to put out what the CIA and
British intelligence want.
Speaker 3: Maybe, but how is it?
Speaker 6: How is that?
Speaker 20: Referring to my critique that So my point was that
you don't mind a document which they say they verify
Ukraine in territory, and they so that Ukraine gifts their
nucleo arms and their planes and their bombers and so
on and so forth.
Speaker 6: I destroy them.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 20: I'm mirandum.
Speaker 1: No, I don't know what you're saying that I'm supposed to.
What's that supposed to be proving about? You said, you're
just repeating Russian state media, and I'm saying, well, I'm
looking at what I understand from the history, whether it's you.
Speaker 20: Where's the difference between because you say all that and
the Ukraine is actually Russian territory.
Speaker 1: You say, no, you already admitted that. What do you
mean I say that, I say that both of those
things you said are true. So why are you trying
to bring up stuff you alreadydmitted it as the case?
Speaker 3: Uh? Okay, let's okay.
Speaker 20: I can tell you where's the difference in what I.
Speaker 3: See and what you are on?
Speaker 1: Tell me exactly what I'm wrong about, because you've yapped
for about twenty minutes about all kinds of things. Just
tell me exactly where you explicitly think I'm wrong.
Speaker 20: I don't see that Ukraine has such a big problem
with Nazis that you have to literally go to war
for two years and that so many soldiers and civilians
have to die.
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm not. I wasn't saying that Ukraine has
to be attacked by Russia because there's Nazis. I'm saying
that there's bio warfare labs that were set up all
around the border of Russia for many years prior to
the Ukraine conflict, and that the Orange Revolution, funded by
Soros in the CAA many years earlier, prepared for this conflict,
including acts on Russia to provoke Russia into this conflict.
So when Russia talks about the Azov Battalion and things
like that, that's things that they mentioned for the media
for public perusal to see that this is one of
the regions. But you, I mean, if NATO and if
the US set up bases and move weapons and create
biolabs on the border of Russia, that's provocation for these events.
Speaker 20: Oh, you think Russia is valid in attacking Ukraine.
Speaker 1: Russia was provoked into attacking the Ukraine and it is
technically and historically Russian area.
Speaker 3: Well, Russia has disagreed with you that it's Russian territory.
Speaker 1: This is a carded waste of time. Did you want
to say something, FDA. Did you want to say something,
I'm mute, FDA. Did you want to say something? Welcome
Jonathan Miller. He became a member Circle Jerk. Two dollars.
We got this guy instead of a black hubrew ridsrolt. Yeah,
we got a German guy defending NATO and Ukraine. And
I can't understand or follow half of what he's arguing
because it's I don't know what he's arguing. Yeah, blowing
up the Northry and pipeline. That was good for Russia,
I mean for Germany exactly. I mean, if you want
to be on the side of Gaeto, you want Gaeto
Skittles parades, I mean, good luck with that. I mean
he's I mean, if you want CIA run Germany, you're
getting it. You're getting You're getting your fill of that
in Germany now, So have fun with that. Everybody, have
a good night.