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True Murder with your 55 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:38.240 host journalist and author Dan Zufanski. 56 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:53.599 Good Evening. Eja Zahmad was handsome, charismatic, and self made businessman. 57 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:57.439 He arrived in the United States from Pakistan determined to 58 00:02:57.520 --> 00:03:01.520 fulfill his mother's dying wish come to America, complete his 59 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:07.039 education and make his mark in the world. Settling in Memphis, Tennessee, 60 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:11.319 Ejaz became owner of several businesses, father to a handsome 61 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:14.639 boy and a devout Muslim. The only thing missing in 62 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:17.919 his life was a wife, someone special to protect, honor 63 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:21.960 and love. Leo Ward was a pretty girl, but a 64 00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:25.039 prison parole with a history of drug charges, petty crime, 65 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:29.879 and a questionable past. She led a flotsam wife, drifting 66 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:33.360 from town to city to state. When she was introduced 67 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:36.680 to Ijaz Ahmad, she believed she had found the ultimate answer. 68 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:39.360 A place to live, someone to take care of her, 69 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:44.000 and money to spend. But what began idyllic soon became 70 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:48.800 abusive and then dangerous for Ejaz. His friends and family 71 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:51.599 warned him, and in May of two thousand and three, 72 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:54.400 Ejaz paid the ultimate price when family members found his 73 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:57.840 mutilated body in a shed. The book they were featuring 74 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:03.639 this evening is She Is Evil. A story of trust, abuse, religion, 75 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:06.000 and murder of a kind man who tried to help 76 00:04:06.039 --> 00:04:08.919 a troubled woman and became the victim of abuse and 77 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:13.199 eventually a heinous murder. Book that was featuring this evening, 78 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:16.879 She Is Evil, Madness and Murder in Memphis with my 79 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:20.720 special guest, judith A Yates. Welcome to the program, and 80 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:23.759 thank you very much for agreeing to this interview. Judith 81 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:26.920 A Yates, Well. 82 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:28.759 Thank you very much for asking me, and I know 83 00:04:28.879 --> 00:04:31.000 it means a lot to ej ALS's family that you're 84 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:32.680 telling his story. 85 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:38.519 It's an incredible story. Let's get right to just briefly 86 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:42.680 why and how you came to want to write this 87 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:44.480 story and how you came into to be in a 88 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:47.079 position to write this story She Is Evil? 89 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:53.399 Okay? Well, I have been a domestic violence prevention educator 90 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:56.800 of co over twenty five years, and the case intrigued 91 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:01.160 me because it's female to male, which is so that 92 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:08.279 it's so difficult to find literally or sometimes impossible to 93 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:12.319 even investigate and to get numbers on. And then secondly, 94 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:15.839 you know, it's nine to eleven. I have Muslim friends, 95 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:19.160 I have friends from the Middle East, and I believe 96 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:22.959 Muslim's and the Middle Easterns are being luked together all 97 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:28.000 as these terrorists and negative people and hating America, and 98 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:30.639 I wanted to show the positive side of these people, 99 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:34.959 the positive side of the Muslim religion, you know. And 100 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:37.600 even the prosecutor told me that they worried about the 101 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:40.920 trial because the country was still reeling from nine to 102 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:45.040 eleven attacks, and I, as was Muslim, and Leah was 103 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:48.839 from America and a white female, and they actually worried 104 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:50.920 about the outcome of the trial or even taking it 105 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:53.439 to try because of that, which I think is wrong. 106 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:55.639 So I felt like I needed to tell the story. 107 00:05:57.600 --> 00:05:59.680 Yeah, it's incredible that that would be a factor to 108 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:02.560 even considered by the district attorney a couple of years 109 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:06.120 after two thousand and one, obviously, but still we as 110 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:09.839 well as the audience, will find out. Let's get to 111 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:12.360 introducing some of the main characters. Because this is a 112 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:16.439 is an incredible story and we need as much time 113 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:21.680 as we can to fully explore this. And so let's 114 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:26.560 talk about Ijaz Hamad originally from Pakistan. Tell us about 115 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:29.680 his family and how he made his way to America 116 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:30.399 and why. 117 00:06:31.480 --> 00:06:35.120 Okay, Well, Echous was born in Sbruary nineteen sixty two, 118 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:39.399 and his family had moved to Palisfied where he was born, 119 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:44.079 and they had built up an impresss and numerous numerous 120 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:47.439 businesses so to put a roof over their head and 121 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:51.000 to survive, and they had many shops. He had a 122 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:53.879 brother who was a jeweler, he had a sister who 123 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:59.439 was a dressmaker, and his mother and father helped run 124 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:04.160 the business well. His father died early and his mother 125 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:08.199 came to Jags one night and said, you need to 126 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:11.800 go to America and you make dreams, your dreams come true. 127 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:14.199 And he said, why aren't you telling me this at 128 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:16.879 this time? And she told him that she had saved 129 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:20.120 up a little bit of money that she should have 130 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:23.920 been spending on herself so that he could go to America. Now, 131 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:28.439 Ajah has already had a bachelor's degree in engineering, and 132 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:33.560 she was telling him to pursue his education, and she 133 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:36.120 died in his arms from a heart attack that night. 134 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:41.480 So fulfill his mom's dying wish, he came to the 135 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:44.639 United States. He learned English. Jas was kind of a 136 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:48.720 renaissance man. He needed several languages. He had two degrees. 137 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:54.439 He ran several successful businesses, and he was always looking 138 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:59.000 into other avenues, into other businesses, you know, selling cars, 139 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:02.560 owning land, and in the meantime he would work another 140 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:09.240 full time job and he also was completing his other degree. Now, 141 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:13.000 one important thing about Jahs was he was a devout Muslim. 142 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:19.319 He didn't believe in drug or alcohol. He worshiped every 143 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:22.480 time at a loss, he would go to the mosque 144 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:25.560 and worship at most fair locally in Memphis. And he 145 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:30.319 believed to help your community because one of the important 146 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:33.799 issues with the Muslim community is to help each other 147 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:38.159 and also to respect your life, to respect your family. 148 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:42.240 And that's what that's what he yells was about. He 149 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:45.519 was a kind man. He was a nice man. His 150 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:49.200 ex wife who was married to him twice, her family, 151 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:53.080 his friends, none of them told me that he had 152 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:56.480 any kind of abusive or even hair tred or temper. 153 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:01.679 And his mother in law and his wife had come 154 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:06.879 from abusive household. They never saw anything like that any jobs. 155 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:10.720 It was just a nice, nice guy, very handsome, intelligent 156 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:14.480 and he could lose his temper, but it was never 157 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:18.799 anything abusive, but absolutely no history of violence. 158 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:24.799 Let's talk about Ernestine marsh and her daughter Bonnie Garrett 159 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:30.000 and how and tell us about just how they met. 160 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:37.080 How your Jaws met Bonnie through Ernestine. So tell us 161 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:40.879 about that meeting and tell us about who Bonnie is 162 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:45.080 and her background before we talk about how they met 163 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:46.000 in their relationship. 164 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:50.159 Sure, I love this story. It's a true love falling 165 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:54.440 in love relationships. Ernestine had a friend who was from 166 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:57.159 the Middle East, and one day he bought his friend, 167 00:09:57.240 --> 00:10:01.639 naming Jaws over to me. Ernestine and ernest daughter Bonnie 168 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:04.600 was in the room, and she told me the minute 169 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:08.519 she looked at Ejad, she said, I'm going to marry 170 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:11.679 that man. And then, you know, practical self kicks in 171 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:14.039 and she thinks, what are you talking about. You had 172 00:10:14.080 --> 00:10:16.240 a relationship. He left you when he found that you 173 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:19.960 were pregnant. He was not a good person. He was mean, 174 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:22.759 why are you even looking? And she said that I 175 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:26.000 just knew when I looked in his eyes. There was 176 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:29.200 something there. Now, this is years later when she and 177 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:31.720 I are talking, when I'm interviewing her, and you could 178 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:34.559 still see it in her eyes and her body language. 179 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:37.159 She was very much in love right away with the 180 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:41.759 joh and Ejas kept looking at her and then he 181 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:43.799 looked away to talk, and then he'd looked at her, 182 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:47.399 and she said it was just even electrical across the 183 00:10:47.559 --> 00:10:52.440 room and they began talking. Jas asked her out and 184 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:54.320 she said, I you know, the first date was a 185 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:56.720 movie and she said, I can't even remember the name 186 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:02.519 of the movie because they were just so intelligent, emotional, 187 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:05.879 you know, the heart, everything was just wrapped up into 188 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:10.320 each other, and that. 189 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:16.320 At I'm sorry, go ahead, no sorry, go ahead. 190 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:20.799 Oh, that's that's how they met. And that's how they 191 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:23.879 got along. And they did not move in together because 192 00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:26.799 it was against his religion. It is against the Muslim 193 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:29.679 face to move in or go habitate with a woman 194 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:33.480 that is not sure in your fouth or a blood 195 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:37.960 family relative. But they just you know, everything about each other. 196 00:11:38.200 --> 00:11:41.759 And Bonnie's friends, what I found was interesting was they 197 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:43.879 were asking her, were don't move on? The men beat 198 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:46.840 their wives, don't they make you a secondary citizen, and 199 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:49.600 she said, no, it was important to his jaws that 200 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:52.440 they walked side by side because that's who they were. 201 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:55.679 They were side by side partners. And she said, what's 202 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:59.799 interesting to me is if she had begun dating some 203 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:02.720 one who was an a Baptist, bath or the Jewish faith, 204 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:05.960 no one would ever say, you know, well he's a Baptist, 205 00:12:06.039 --> 00:12:09.519 a Baptist leaf there was. It's interesting, she said, how 206 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:13.279 that just automatically came out, and that people felt justified 207 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:14.360 in asking her that. 208 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:19.960 Now you talk about that. She didn't have a problem 209 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:25.679 with people's criticism or their lack of open mind, but 210 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:31.679 there was differences despite well there was differences somebody coming 211 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:35.080 from Pakistan, somebody raised in America. And tell us what 212 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:41.399 religion that she had come from, Bonnie, and also what problems, 213 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:45.879 if any arose in this idyllic marriage. At least it 214 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:46.879 started in the beginning. 215 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:53.360 Okay, Well, they married and Bonnie had always identified as 216 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:57.080 a Christian, and she told each as from the start, 217 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:00.919 I'm not interested in converting to Muslim because that would 218 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:03.200 make me feel like a liar. I would be lying 219 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:07.279 to you, your friends, your your face to my faith. 220 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:10.240 If I ever you know, said, I was mussle and 221 00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:15.360 we're interested in uh into changing my religion. Now, she 222 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:18.279 did wear the jab, which is a head scarf, when 223 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:20.480 she was at the locks, and she did wear the 224 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:23.960 hejab when some of his friends came over out of respect. 225 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:31.840 And sometimes Ajah would you know, become almost exasperated with 226 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:34.960 her because he would say, well, she is showing she 227 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.720 is showing her legs. And they would say, but that's 228 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:40.240 how it is here. You can wear shorts. You know, 229 00:13:40.360 --> 00:13:43.600 you can wear short skirts. And he had an issue 230 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:48.240 at times with those with those boys, and he would 231 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:52.600 ask Ernest Deine and Bonnie's sister about it and if 232 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:56.000 she wore a sleeveless shirt, you know, why does she 233 00:13:56.120 --> 00:13:59.679 have to show her arms? But he was also learning 234 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:03.840 the same time the difference between Western and Eastern culture. 235 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:10.720 Now Bonnie would tell him, I'm sorry, I'm not interested 236 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:14.039 in becoming a Muslim. And it costs a lot of 237 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:17.200 grips between them. Now, they had a child. His name 238 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:21.399 is Jordan. His Muslim name was Tyreek, and they were 239 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:26.799 a very loving, very happy family. Jas was raising Tyreek 240 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:30.440 as Muslim and they would go to mosque and he 241 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:32.360 told me, he said, you know, I would go to 242 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:35.399 mosque on one day and then turn around and go 243 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:38.120 to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints 244 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:41.240 the next day, So he got sort of a well 245 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:44.279 rounded education there. But you know, the three of them 246 00:14:44.360 --> 00:14:47.519 were very happy, very much in love. They loved their son. 247 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:50.840 If you would see videos of the family together, you 248 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:56.240 could just die. However, Ijaz did want somebody he could worship, 249 00:14:56.320 --> 00:14:58.879 this go to the mosque. She was a partner in 250 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:02.559 every other way that she told him, I'm not going 251 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:04.960 to lie to everyone and say, you know, I'm a 252 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:10.759 listening and unfortunately that caused a risk between them. Then 253 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:12.679 divorce the. 254 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:16.799 Thing that happened though too, she was taking advice. They 255 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:18.759 were together for seven years as you write, and she 256 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:23.000 was taking advice on that she should file on grounds 257 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:28.159 of desertion. I would speed up the proceedings and it 258 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:31.799 wouldn't be a cost of the attorney. So just tell us, 259 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:37.240 despite this, you know, the difficult divorce proceedings, how was 260 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:40.519 he jobs under these kinds of conditions in terms of anger, 261 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:43.960 in terms of his treatment of her original son Drake 262 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:48.799 and their son Jordan. Tell us how his behavior changed 263 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:52.840 or how what was his behavior during this time, this 264 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:57.919 very stressful time, and tell us what happened in this 265 00:15:58.200 --> 00:15:59.840 split and how he felt about it. 266 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:06.159 Okay, Well, Bonnie did have a son from a prior relationship, 267 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:10.759 Nance Drake. Jad immediately took him under his wing. And 268 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:16.440 because Drake's natural father was awesome, little Eastern Jade also 269 00:16:16.519 --> 00:16:20.519 took Drake's moss and taught him about the relation in 270 00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:24.960 a vislam Staate and his history and his background and 271 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:32.080 his culture, and Bonnie began feeling sort of him. Then 272 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:37.559 with a legal marriage, she began thinking, Okay, what if 273 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:40.480 he just turned out to be abusive? If everything is 274 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:42.639 all fine and dandy now, then a couple of years ago, 275 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:45.000 south down the road and he had to understand too. 276 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:48.679 Bonnie came from an abusive background, Her father was abusive, 277 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:52.080 and she just felt like no matter where she turned, 278 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:55.840 something was going to go bad. So the first time 279 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:59.879 they divorced, a friend told her, if you'd take it 280 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:02.879 on the grounds of desertion, it'll go to the court, 281 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:06.000 you won't have to worry about custody, and you can 282 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:08.400 just sign your nail on the line and get out 283 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:11.359 of there. And she said, what was the worst thing 284 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:15.519 out of this whole whole mess is. She had Ejah 285 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:20.119 served when he had just come back from Pakistan visiting relatives. 286 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:26.279 So they divorced, but she would call her, she would 287 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:30.039 call him, both would be in tears, and they eventually 288 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:36.440 reconciled and got back together. And at no time was 289 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:40.279 he abusive, was he hitting her, pushing her, even threatening 290 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:45.759 to the second time they divorced again. You know, she 291 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:50.720 she filed on grounds of desertion, saying that, you know, 292 00:17:50.839 --> 00:17:53.160 she said, I was stupid. I took somebody stupid advice 293 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:58.519 and I filed and she ran into an old friend. 294 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:04.079 They did a lot of They started dating and he proposed, well, 295 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:06.640 Ejas heard about this because we're still very close to 296 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:10.400 her family. They have become his United States family. And 297 00:18:10.519 --> 00:18:12.640 he showed up at the door and he was in tears, 298 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:14.599 and he said, you know, how can you marry him? 299 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:17.960 You know, we love each other, and she was saying, well, 300 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:21.440 you know, this is just how it goes, this is 301 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:25.920 how my life is going. And at one point they 302 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:30.720 exchanged words and he said, well then you did not 303 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:35.200 have touchody, you know full costity of Tyreek Jordan's And 304 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:40.400 they exchanged every words and he leaved. You know, they 305 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:42.759 were telling him the job who got to calm down. 306 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:47.039 You need to leave, take a deep breath, come back 307 00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:48.720 and let sit down and talk. Because it was so 308 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:53.720 uncharacteristic of him to be so upset, which happened. He 309 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:57.160 calmed down, he'd called the apologized to the family. And 310 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:02.200 still Bonnie married an other man and it broke his heart. 311 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:05.519 He would he would be in tears and he would say, 312 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:08.400 please come back to me. And at one point when 313 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:10.799 her next marriage was going to Jod said to her, 314 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:15.680 promise me you will make yourself happy or leave him well. 315 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:19.559 By now Bonnie has another child by her second husband, 316 00:19:20.079 --> 00:19:23.279 and she said, I cannot he is the father of 317 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:27.200 my child. And he Jos replied, as I was, as 318 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:33.519 I am so very emotional between them. But it's you 319 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:36.640 know again, at no time were she fearful he would, 320 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:40.160 you know, he raised his voice over this argument. But 321 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:42.400 he never struck at her. He never struck at the 322 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:43.680 family or at Jordan's. 323 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:50.200 And she maintained a friendship even though her husband really 324 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:55.599 was not okay with it whatsoever. She was adamant that 325 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:59.880 she keep this connection, and not just because of the child, 326 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:04.119 because of the friendship right right. 327 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:06.839 They loved each other very much. They respected one another 328 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:10.839 and I think sometimes Jah would would you know, wish 329 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:13.960 and cross fingers that maybe one day she'll come back 330 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:18.119 to him. And what really would have feeled it was 331 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:22.599 when she did marry her next husband and the judge 332 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:27.079 news then and even when he would drop Jordan's tyreek 333 00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:30.359 off at the house, because he would he would get 334 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:35.319 Jordan on the weekend because of Jordan's school. He would 335 00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:39.279 come to get on the weekend and they would invite 336 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:41.440 him into the house, and he said no because it 337 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:44.519 would be disrespectful to go into Bonnie and her new 338 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:49.720 husband's home. And he being the ex husband now of 339 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:52.720 course the new husband. You know that Bonnie had to 340 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:55.599 sit down and explain to him there are several kinds 341 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:58.440 of love and the love I have three Jade is 342 00:20:58.559 --> 00:20:59.920 different than the love I have three. 343 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:08.960 The entrepreneur in jas is that he has lots of 344 00:21:09.039 --> 00:21:14.880 rental properties, and after this he finally realizes that Bonnie's 345 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:17.640 not going to come back to him. He is dejected, 346 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:21.119 but he has some properties and he buys a house 347 00:21:22.200 --> 00:21:24.759 and continues his rental properties. But he has a house 348 00:21:24.799 --> 00:21:28.000 on Sea Isle Street and nice bungalow brick Bungalow, you say, 349 00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:31.720 And he's got this business, Regal Imports, selling swords and 350 00:21:32.359 --> 00:21:36.599 all kinds of souvenirs and things. So tell us about 351 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:40.400 this home and still what is his state at that 352 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:44.359 time he's visiting with Jordan. What's the relationship he has 353 00:21:44.440 --> 00:21:50.039 with Jordan at this time, and what does Jordan. Of course, 354 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:52.559 in this book you talk about all the recollections of 355 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:55.079 Jordan about his father. What kind of father is he 356 00:21:55.240 --> 00:22:00.400 to Jordan in despite being this Muslim? What's he like 357 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:04.079 as a father in America with this ten eleven year 358 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:04.519 old boy. 359 00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:08.680 So he's a very good father. He had Regal Import. 360 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:12.759 He would go to Pakistan and purchase items and then 361 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:16.240 bring them over here and sell them into store. And 362 00:22:16.359 --> 00:22:19.640 it was everything from clothing to nick Knax to of 363 00:22:19.759 --> 00:22:24.200 course the swords. And he taught Jordans how to run 364 00:22:24.279 --> 00:22:26.400 the business, how to run a business. He taught him 365 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:29.279 how to work a register, how to wait on customers, 366 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:32.359 how to make sure customers have the best customer service. 367 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:36.880 And he taught Jordan about his history. He took him 368 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:43.039 to Pakistan several times and they met all kinds of family, 369 00:22:43.240 --> 00:22:46.559 aunts and uncles and cousins. And then he would take 370 00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:50.799 him to historic fights and tell him about the history 371 00:22:51.319 --> 00:22:53.960 and the history of the people, the history of the religions. 372 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:58.480 He was just a very well rounded young man. He 373 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:03.480 worked him with the languages, and then when Jordan was 374 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:06.359 at his house, you know, he would tell him, you know, 375 00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:08.680 he would teach him yes, ma'am and no, sir, and 376 00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:11.839 he taught him manners, and he would tell him, you 377 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:15.759 can be anything in America you want to be, you 378 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:21.279 just have to want it and go for it. And 379 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:23.200 that was probably just, you know, in my eye, touched 380 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:24.680 one of the biggest gift you can give a child 381 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:27.920 of self esteem, and that's exactly what he gaves Jordan's 382 00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:33.160 And so they got along well. They lived on a 383 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:37.160 house on Sea Isle, and you know, I chall purchased 384 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:39.960 that house in the hope that Bonnie would come back. 385 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:43.119 He and Bonnie and Jordan could live as a family 386 00:23:43.799 --> 00:23:47.839 in this home. And it's not in a horrible part 387 00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:51.440 of Memphis. It's more of a middle class area. Nineteen 388 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:55.000 fifty seven bungalow home, bricks, nice yard, and nice backyard. 389 00:23:55.160 --> 00:24:00.000 And he maintained to the other homes for as rental property. 390 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:03.400 He also sold vehicles. He and his friends would go 391 00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:07.000 in together and they would purchase cars off the lots 392 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:10.119 and they would get their mechanics to work on the 393 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:12.119 vehicle and then they would flip it. They would turn 394 00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:15.279 around and resell. And if he had friends that needed 395 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:17.400 a car, he would give them one of the vehicles. 396 00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:20.519 And if he had friends that needed a place to 397 00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:23.400 stay or a job, he would find a place in 398 00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:25.559 one of his businesses. For example, he ran a fish 399 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:28.880 market that not only sold fresh fish but also had 400 00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:32.039 a little restaurant inside. And he had a good friend 401 00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:34.799