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Speaker 6: Good Evening. Eja Zahmad was handsome, charismatic, and self made businessman.
Speaker 6: He arrived in the United States from Pakistan determined to
Speaker 6: fulfill his mother's dying wish come to America, complete his
Speaker 6: education and make his mark in the world. Settling in Memphis, Tennessee,
Speaker 6: Ejaz became owner of several businesses, father to a handsome
Speaker 6: boy and a devout Muslim. The only thing missing in
Speaker 6: his life was a wife, someone special to protect, honor
Speaker 6: and love. Leo Ward was a pretty girl, but a
Speaker 6: prison parole with a history of drug charges, petty crime,
Speaker 6: and a questionable past. She led a flotsam wife, drifting
Speaker 6: from town to city to state. When she was introduced
Speaker 6: to Ijaz Ahmad, she believed she had found the ultimate answer.
Speaker 6: A place to live, someone to take care of her,
Speaker 6: and money to spend. But what began idyllic soon became
Speaker 6: abusive and then dangerous for Ejaz. His friends and family
Speaker 6: warned him, and in May of two thousand and three,
Speaker 6: Ejaz paid the ultimate price when family members found his
Speaker 6: mutilated body in a shed. The book they were featuring
Speaker 6: this evening is She Is Evil. A story of trust, abuse, religion,
Speaker 6: and murder of a kind man who tried to help
Speaker 6: a troubled woman and became the victim of abuse and
Speaker 6: eventually a heinous murder. Book that was featuring this evening,
Speaker 6: She Is Evil, Madness and Murder in Memphis with my
Speaker 6: special guest, judith A Yates. Welcome to the program, and
Speaker 6: thank you very much for agreeing to this interview. Judith
Speaker 6: A Yates, Well.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for asking me, and I know
Speaker 2: it means a lot to ej ALS's family that you're
Speaker 2: telling his story.
Speaker 6: It's an incredible story. Let's get right to just briefly
Speaker 6: why and how you came to want to write this
Speaker 6: story and how you came into to be in a
Speaker 6: position to write this story She Is Evil?
Speaker 2: Okay? Well, I have been a domestic violence prevention educator
Speaker 2: of co over twenty five years, and the case intrigued
Speaker 2: me because it's female to male, which is so that
Speaker 2: it's so difficult to find literally or sometimes impossible to
Speaker 2: even investigate and to get numbers on. And then secondly,
Speaker 2: you know, it's nine to eleven. I have Muslim friends,
Speaker 2: I have friends from the Middle East, and I believe
Speaker 2: Muslim's and the Middle Easterns are being luked together all
Speaker 2: as these terrorists and negative people and hating America, and
Speaker 2: I wanted to show the positive side of these people,
Speaker 2: the positive side of the Muslim religion, you know. And
Speaker 2: even the prosecutor told me that they worried about the
Speaker 2: trial because the country was still reeling from nine to
Speaker 2: eleven attacks, and I, as was Muslim, and Leah was
Speaker 2: from America and a white female, and they actually worried
Speaker 2: about the outcome of the trial or even taking it
Speaker 2: to try because of that, which I think is wrong.
Speaker 2: So I felt like I needed to tell the story.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's incredible that that would be a factor to
Speaker 6: even considered by the district attorney a couple of years
Speaker 6: after two thousand and one, obviously, but still we as
Speaker 6: well as the audience, will find out. Let's get to
Speaker 6: introducing some of the main characters. Because this is a
Speaker 6: is an incredible story and we need as much time
Speaker 6: as we can to fully explore this. And so let's
Speaker 6: talk about Ijaz Hamad originally from Pakistan. Tell us about
Speaker 6: his family and how he made his way to America
Speaker 6: and why.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, Echous was born in Sbruary nineteen sixty two,
Speaker 2: and his family had moved to Palisfied where he was born,
Speaker 2: and they had built up an impresss and numerous numerous
Speaker 2: businesses so to put a roof over their head and
Speaker 2: to survive, and they had many shops. He had a
Speaker 2: brother who was a jeweler, he had a sister who
Speaker 2: was a dressmaker, and his mother and father helped run
Speaker 2: the business well. His father died early and his mother
Speaker 2: came to Jags one night and said, you need to
Speaker 2: go to America and you make dreams, your dreams come true.
Speaker 2: And he said, why aren't you telling me this at
Speaker 2: this time? And she told him that she had saved
Speaker 2: up a little bit of money that she should have
Speaker 2: been spending on herself so that he could go to America. Now,
Speaker 2: Ajah has already had a bachelor's degree in engineering, and
Speaker 2: she was telling him to pursue his education, and she
Speaker 2: died in his arms from a heart attack that night.
Speaker 2: So fulfill his mom's dying wish, he came to the
Speaker 2: United States. He learned English. Jas was kind of a
Speaker 2: renaissance man. He needed several languages. He had two degrees.
Speaker 2: He ran several successful businesses, and he was always looking
Speaker 2: into other avenues, into other businesses, you know, selling cars,
Speaker 2: owning land, and in the meantime he would work another
Speaker 2: full time job and he also was completing his other degree. Now,
Speaker 2: one important thing about Jahs was he was a devout Muslim.
Speaker 2: He didn't believe in drug or alcohol. He worshiped every
Speaker 2: time at a loss, he would go to the mosque
Speaker 2: and worship at most fair locally in Memphis. And he
Speaker 2: believed to help your community because one of the important
Speaker 2: issues with the Muslim community is to help each other
Speaker 2: and also to respect your life, to respect your family.
Speaker 2: And that's what that's what he yells was about. He
Speaker 2: was a kind man. He was a nice man. His
Speaker 2: ex wife who was married to him twice, her family,
Speaker 2: his friends, none of them told me that he had
Speaker 2: any kind of abusive or even hair tred or temper.
Speaker 2: And his mother in law and his wife had come
Speaker 2: from abusive household. They never saw anything like that any jobs.
Speaker 2: It was just a nice, nice guy, very handsome, intelligent
Speaker 2: and he could lose his temper, but it was never
Speaker 2: anything abusive, but absolutely no history of violence.
Speaker 6: Let's talk about Ernestine marsh and her daughter Bonnie Garrett
Speaker 6: and how and tell us about just how they met.
Speaker 6: How your Jaws met Bonnie through Ernestine. So tell us
Speaker 6: about that meeting and tell us about who Bonnie is
Speaker 6: and her background before we talk about how they met
Speaker 6: in their relationship.
Speaker 2: Sure, I love this story. It's a true love falling
Speaker 2: in love relationships. Ernestine had a friend who was from
Speaker 2: the Middle East, and one day he bought his friend,
Speaker 2: naming Jaws over to me. Ernestine and ernest daughter Bonnie
Speaker 2: was in the room, and she told me the minute
Speaker 2: she looked at Ejad, she said, I'm going to marry
Speaker 2: that man. And then, you know, practical self kicks in
Speaker 2: and she thinks, what are you talking about. You had
Speaker 2: a relationship. He left you when he found that you
Speaker 2: were pregnant. He was not a good person. He was mean,
Speaker 2: why are you even looking? And she said that I
Speaker 2: just knew when I looked in his eyes. There was
Speaker 2: something there. Now, this is years later when she and
Speaker 2: I are talking, when I'm interviewing her, and you could
Speaker 2: still see it in her eyes and her body language.
Speaker 2: She was very much in love right away with the
Speaker 2: joh and Ejas kept looking at her and then he
Speaker 2: looked away to talk, and then he'd looked at her,
Speaker 2: and she said it was just even electrical across the
Speaker 2: room and they began talking. Jas asked her out and
Speaker 2: she said, I you know, the first date was a
Speaker 2: movie and she said, I can't even remember the name
Speaker 2: of the movie because they were just so intelligent, emotional,
Speaker 2: you know, the heart, everything was just wrapped up into
Speaker 2: each other, and that.
Speaker 6: At I'm sorry, go ahead, no sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's that's how they met. And that's how they
Speaker 2: got along. And they did not move in together because
Speaker 2: it was against his religion. It is against the Muslim
Speaker 2: face to move in or go habitate with a woman
Speaker 2: that is not sure in your fouth or a blood
Speaker 2: family relative. But they just you know, everything about each other.
Speaker 2: And Bonnie's friends, what I found was interesting was they
Speaker 2: were asking her, were don't move on? The men beat
Speaker 2: their wives, don't they make you a secondary citizen, and
Speaker 2: she said, no, it was important to his jaws that
Speaker 2: they walked side by side because that's who they were.
Speaker 2: They were side by side partners. And she said, what's
Speaker 2: interesting to me is if she had begun dating some
Speaker 2: one who was an a Baptist, bath or the Jewish faith,
Speaker 2: no one would ever say, you know, well he's a Baptist,
Speaker 2: a Baptist leaf there was. It's interesting, she said, how
Speaker 2: that just automatically came out, and that people felt justified
Speaker 2: in asking her that.
Speaker 6: Now you talk about that. She didn't have a problem
Speaker 6: with people's criticism or their lack of open mind, but
Speaker 6: there was differences despite well there was differences somebody coming
Speaker 6: from Pakistan, somebody raised in America. And tell us what
Speaker 6: religion that she had come from, Bonnie, and also what problems,
Speaker 6: if any arose in this idyllic marriage. At least it
Speaker 6: started in the beginning.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, they married and Bonnie had always identified as
Speaker 2: a Christian, and she told each as from the start,
Speaker 2: I'm not interested in converting to Muslim because that would
Speaker 2: make me feel like a liar. I would be lying
Speaker 2: to you, your friends, your your face to my faith.
Speaker 2: If I ever you know, said, I was mussle and
Speaker 2: we're interested in uh into changing my religion. Now, she
Speaker 2: did wear the jab, which is a head scarf, when
Speaker 2: she was at the locks, and she did wear the
Speaker 2: hejab when some of his friends came over out of respect.
Speaker 2: And sometimes Ajah would you know, become almost exasperated with
Speaker 2: her because he would say, well, she is showing she
Speaker 2: is showing her legs. And they would say, but that's
Speaker 2: how it is here. You can wear shorts. You know,
Speaker 2: you can wear short skirts. And he had an issue
Speaker 2: at times with those with those boys, and he would
Speaker 2: ask Ernest Deine and Bonnie's sister about it and if
Speaker 2: she wore a sleeveless shirt, you know, why does she
Speaker 2: have to show her arms? But he was also learning
Speaker 2: the same time the difference between Western and Eastern culture.
Speaker 2: Now Bonnie would tell him, I'm sorry, I'm not interested
Speaker 2: in becoming a Muslim. And it costs a lot of
Speaker 2: grips between them. Now, they had a child. His name
Speaker 2: is Jordan. His Muslim name was Tyreek, and they were
Speaker 2: a very loving, very happy family. Jas was raising Tyreek
Speaker 2: as Muslim and they would go to mosque and he
Speaker 2: told me, he said, you know, I would go to
Speaker 2: mosque on one day and then turn around and go
Speaker 2: to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints
Speaker 2: the next day, So he got sort of a well
Speaker 2: rounded education there. But you know, the three of them
Speaker 2: were very happy, very much in love. They loved their son.
Speaker 2: If you would see videos of the family together, you
Speaker 2: could just die. However, Ijaz did want somebody he could worship,
Speaker 2: this go to the mosque. She was a partner in
Speaker 2: every other way that she told him, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to lie to everyone and say, you know, I'm a
Speaker 2: listening and unfortunately that caused a risk between them. Then
Speaker 2: divorce the.
Speaker 6: Thing that happened though too, she was taking advice. They
Speaker 6: were together for seven years as you write, and she
Speaker 6: was taking advice on that she should file on grounds
Speaker 6: of desertion. I would speed up the proceedings and it
Speaker 6: wouldn't be a cost of the attorney. So just tell us,
Speaker 6: despite this, you know, the difficult divorce proceedings, how was
Speaker 6: he jobs under these kinds of conditions in terms of anger,
Speaker 6: in terms of his treatment of her original son Drake
Speaker 6: and their son Jordan. Tell us how his behavior changed
Speaker 6: or how what was his behavior during this time, this
Speaker 6: very stressful time, and tell us what happened in this
Speaker 6: split and how he felt about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, Bonnie did have a son from a prior relationship,
Speaker 2: Nance Drake. Jad immediately took him under his wing. And
Speaker 2: because Drake's natural father was awesome, little Eastern Jade also
Speaker 2: took Drake's moss and taught him about the relation in
Speaker 2: a vislam Staate and his history and his background and
Speaker 2: his culture, and Bonnie began feeling sort of him. Then
Speaker 2: with a legal marriage, she began thinking, Okay, what if
Speaker 2: he just turned out to be abusive? If everything is
Speaker 2: all fine and dandy now, then a couple of years ago,
Speaker 2: south down the road and he had to understand too.
Speaker 2: Bonnie came from an abusive background, Her father was abusive,
Speaker 2: and she just felt like no matter where she turned,
Speaker 2: something was going to go bad. So the first time
Speaker 2: they divorced, a friend told her, if you'd take it
Speaker 2: on the grounds of desertion, it'll go to the court,
Speaker 2: you won't have to worry about custody, and you can
Speaker 2: just sign your nail on the line and get out
Speaker 2: of there. And she said, what was the worst thing
Speaker 2: out of this whole whole mess is. She had Ejah
Speaker 2: served when he had just come back from Pakistan visiting relatives.
Speaker 2: So they divorced, but she would call her, she would
Speaker 2: call him, both would be in tears, and they eventually
Speaker 2: reconciled and got back together. And at no time was
Speaker 2: he abusive, was he hitting her, pushing her, even threatening
Speaker 2: to the second time they divorced again. You know, she
Speaker 2: she filed on grounds of desertion, saying that, you know,
Speaker 2: she said, I was stupid. I took somebody stupid advice
Speaker 2: and I filed and she ran into an old friend.
Speaker 2: They did a lot of They started dating and he proposed, well,
Speaker 2: Ejas heard about this because we're still very close to
Speaker 2: her family. They have become his United States family. And
Speaker 2: he showed up at the door and he was in tears,
Speaker 2: and he said, you know, how can you marry him?
Speaker 2: You know, we love each other, and she was saying, well,
Speaker 2: you know, this is just how it goes, this is
Speaker 2: how my life is going. And at one point they
Speaker 2: exchanged words and he said, well then you did not
Speaker 2: have touchody, you know full costity of Tyreek Jordan's And
Speaker 2: they exchanged every words and he leaved. You know, they
Speaker 2: were telling him the job who got to calm down.
Speaker 2: You need to leave, take a deep breath, come back
Speaker 2: and let sit down and talk. Because it was so
Speaker 2: uncharacteristic of him to be so upset, which happened. He
Speaker 2: calmed down, he'd called the apologized to the family. And
Speaker 2: still Bonnie married an other man and it broke his heart.
Speaker 2: He would he would be in tears and he would say,
Speaker 2: please come back to me. And at one point when
Speaker 2: her next marriage was going to Jod said to her,
Speaker 2: promise me you will make yourself happy or leave him well.
Speaker 2: By now Bonnie has another child by her second husband,
Speaker 2: and she said, I cannot he is the father of
Speaker 2: my child. And he Jos replied, as I was, as
Speaker 2: I am so very emotional between them. But it's you
Speaker 2: know again, at no time were she fearful he would,
Speaker 2: you know, he raised his voice over this argument. But
Speaker 2: he never struck at her. He never struck at the
Speaker 2: family or at Jordan's.
Speaker 6: And she maintained a friendship even though her husband really
Speaker 6: was not okay with it whatsoever. She was adamant that
Speaker 6: she keep this connection, and not just because of the child,
Speaker 6: because of the friendship right right.
Speaker 2: They loved each other very much. They respected one another
Speaker 2: and I think sometimes Jah would would you know, wish
Speaker 2: and cross fingers that maybe one day she'll come back
Speaker 2: to him. And what really would have feeled it was
Speaker 2: when she did marry her next husband and the judge
Speaker 2: news then and even when he would drop Jordan's tyreek
Speaker 2: off at the house, because he would he would get
Speaker 2: Jordan on the weekend because of Jordan's school. He would
Speaker 2: come to get on the weekend and they would invite
Speaker 2: him into the house, and he said no because it
Speaker 2: would be disrespectful to go into Bonnie and her new
Speaker 2: husband's home. And he being the ex husband now of
Speaker 2: course the new husband. You know that Bonnie had to
Speaker 2: sit down and explain to him there are several kinds
Speaker 2: of love and the love I have three Jade is
Speaker 2: different than the love I have three.
Speaker 6: The entrepreneur in jas is that he has lots of
Speaker 6: rental properties, and after this he finally realizes that Bonnie's
Speaker 6: not going to come back to him. He is dejected,
Speaker 6: but he has some properties and he buys a house
Speaker 6: and continues his rental properties. But he has a house
Speaker 6: on Sea Isle Street and nice bungalow brick Bungalow, you say,
Speaker 6: And he's got this business, Regal Imports, selling swords and
Speaker 6: all kinds of souvenirs and things. So tell us about
Speaker 6: this home and still what is his state at that
Speaker 6: time he's visiting with Jordan. What's the relationship he has
Speaker 6: with Jordan at this time, and what does Jordan. Of course,
Speaker 6: in this book you talk about all the recollections of
Speaker 6: Jordan about his father. What kind of father is he
Speaker 6: to Jordan in despite being this Muslim? What's he like
Speaker 6: as a father in America with this ten eleven year
Speaker 6: old boy.
Speaker 2: So he's a very good father. He had Regal Import.
Speaker 2: He would go to Pakistan and purchase items and then
Speaker 2: bring them over here and sell them into store. And
Speaker 2: it was everything from clothing to nick Knax to of
Speaker 2: course the swords. And he taught Jordans how to run
Speaker 2: the business, how to run a business. He taught him
Speaker 2: how to work a register, how to wait on customers,
Speaker 2: how to make sure customers have the best customer service.
Speaker 2: And he taught Jordan about his history. He took him
Speaker 2: to Pakistan several times and they met all kinds of family,
Speaker 2: aunts and uncles and cousins. And then he would take
Speaker 2: him to historic fights and tell him about the history
Speaker 2: and the history of the people, the history of the religions.
Speaker 2: He was just a very well rounded young man. He
Speaker 2: worked him with the languages, and then when Jordan was
Speaker 2: at his house, you know, he would tell him, you know,
Speaker 2: he would teach him yes, ma'am and no, sir, and
Speaker 2: he taught him manners, and he would tell him, you
Speaker 2: can be anything in America you want to be, you
Speaker 2: just have to want it and go for it. And
Speaker 2: that was probably just, you know, in my eye, touched
Speaker 2: one of the biggest gift you can give a child
Speaker 2: of self esteem, and that's exactly what he gaves Jordan's
Speaker 2: And so they got along well. They lived on a
Speaker 2: house on Sea Isle, and you know, I chall purchased
Speaker 2: that house in the hope that Bonnie would come back.
Speaker 2: He and Bonnie and Jordan could live as a family
Speaker 2: in this home. And it's not in a horrible part
Speaker 2: of Memphis. It's more of a middle class area. Nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty seven bungalow home, bricks, nice yard, and nice backyard.
Speaker 2: And he maintained to the other homes for as rental property.
Speaker 2: He also sold vehicles. He and his friends would go
Speaker 2: in together and they would purchase cars off the lots
Speaker 2: and they would get their mechanics to work on the
Speaker 2: vehicle and then they would flip it. They would turn
Speaker 2: around and resell. And if he had friends that needed
Speaker 2: a car, he would give them one of the vehicles.
Speaker 2: And if he had friends that needed a place to
Speaker 2: stay or a job, he would find a place in
Speaker 2: one of his businesses. For example, he ran a fish
Speaker 2: market that not only sold fresh fish but also had
Speaker 2: a little restaurant inside. And he had a good friend
Speaker 2: that would show up and say, you know, I need money,
Speaker 2: I need help. Any jobs would give him a job,
Speaker 2: He gave him a vehicle, and you know, he gave
Speaker 2: him a place to stay on the house on Ceeisle
Speaker 2: as long as he wanted.
Speaker 6: Now you talk about this generous character that he has,
Speaker 6: very generous and helping people out. And this leads to
Speaker 6: an introduction to a woman through a friend and he
Speaker 6: tells Jaws about this woman's predicaments. So tell us what
Speaker 6: this friend says about this woman and who does he meet?
Speaker 6: Tell us about those.
Speaker 2: Surpass okay ajas as I said had a mechanic. Now again,
Speaker 2: this mechanic was not much of a mechanic. He's one
Speaker 2: of those guys that you know, Oh no, he's working
Speaker 2: on my car. And people would say, jat, why are
Speaker 2: you hiring him? Why do you let him work on
Speaker 2: your vehicles? He does not know what you're doing. And
Speaker 2: a jobs would say, he needs help, he needs the
Speaker 2: money and he's learning, and so he would have this
Speaker 2: fellow work on the vehicles. Well, one day the mechanics
Speaker 2: shows up with a pretty blond haired girl. Leah was
Speaker 2: born in nineteen seventy six. She was raised in and
Speaker 2: around the small southern Kinnochy towns around Memphis, and mechanic
Speaker 2: Toby Jades. Look, she's had a hard light. She's living
Speaker 2: on this she doesn't have money, she doesn't have food.
Speaker 2: All she needs is someone to just help her out.
Speaker 2: And at the same time, Leah is telling you, Jas, well,
Speaker 2: I want to be a nurse. It's my dream, but
Speaker 2: it just seems like things keep happening to me and
Speaker 2: I can't pursue my dreams. And if I just had
Speaker 2: a chance and a place to live and someone who
Speaker 2: believes in me, well, all of this was alive because
Speaker 2: at the time Leah was on paroles, she had just
Speaker 2: been released from prisons for doing a stent for selling drugs.
Speaker 2: She was a known drug addict. She was supposed to
Speaker 2: be living in a halfway house in Memphis, but I'm
Speaker 2: guessing Leah probably just decided that that wasn't her style,
Speaker 2: you know, in a halfway house and following all these rules.
Speaker 2: Now she only had four munths to go in her parole.
Speaker 2: Leah was a seeking, pathological liar. She was also a
Speaker 2: very violent individual. When she was in school, she was
Speaker 2: in trouble for fighting. She was writing very sexually charged
Speaker 2: notes to boys and men. She was keeping a journal
Speaker 2: of her sexual exploits. She was sneaking out at nights,
Speaker 2: skipping school, drinking, using drugs, and she was in and
Speaker 2: out of mental health hospitals. You know, she came from
Speaker 2: a home where the parents was solid blue collar walk
Speaker 2: excuse me, but for whatever reason, Leah just you know,
Speaker 2: she had to break rules and she would sneak out
Speaker 2: at night. She would fight with her parents. She had
Speaker 2: at least two stolen vehicles on her record. She stole
Speaker 2: her brother's truck, crashed it. She stole her grandmother's card
Speaker 2: and a bunch of checks from her mom's checkbook, crashed
Speaker 2: that car wrote hot checks. So here's Leah just kind
Speaker 2: of bouncing, you know, around. She lands in Memphis. Somehow
Speaker 2: she knows this mechanic and I'm thinking, what probably happened
Speaker 2: is he said, hey, listen, I know this guy, and
Speaker 2: they went to Jazza's house. Well, Ejaza is listening to
Speaker 2: her story, and she's a pretty girl, she's a nice girl.
Speaker 2: She can sell herself well. And Ijad says, well, I
Speaker 2: have a house stay in until you get on your feet.
Speaker 2: It's not in the best of neighborhoods that you can
Speaker 2: stay there. And what's interesting is a couple of weeks later,
Speaker 2: the job contacts her and says, I do not feel
Speaker 2: safe with you living in that house in that neighborhood
Speaker 2: and you're, you know, a female all alone. So what
Speaker 2: he does is he lets her stay at his house,
Speaker 2: but he explains to her, I am you know, I
Speaker 2: can't live under the same roof with someone I'm not
Speaker 2: married to and not my books. But he moves out
Speaker 2: to a friend and gives Leah his house to stay
Speaker 2: in until she quote unquote gets on her feet. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: he's giving her a car, she starts working it. He's
Speaker 2: buying her things, and the next thing you know, he's
Speaker 2: paying her way through school. And unbeknownst the Jas at
Speaker 2: this time, LEAs says she's going to school, but she
Speaker 2: is also stealing his items that he sells in his store,
Speaker 2: the swords and point collection and knit knacks. She's smuggling
Speaker 2: those out of the house to turn around and paint.
Speaker 2: And that's when things just started going downhill in that relationship.
Speaker 6: She has also not told him her actual status of her,
Speaker 6: whether she's married or divorced. So tell us about a
Speaker 6: little bit about this, Larry Ward, because as far as
Speaker 6: he Jazz is concerned, she's divorced. By tell us her
Speaker 6: real status.
Speaker 2: Right, she's one of the lies, she tells. But she
Speaker 2: was divorced. She had two children that lived with her
Speaker 2: parents and they were raising them until she got on
Speaker 2: her and her children would come and visit. Later on
Speaker 2: in the story, after they've webb and play with Jordan's
Speaker 2: and such, well, she tells the guys, you know, she's divorced,
Speaker 2: and he'd beat her and he was abusive and she
Speaker 2: had to run the saber fil None of that was true.
Speaker 2: She was still married to Larry actually, and Larry was
Speaker 2: raising the two children because Leah basically ran out on them,
Speaker 2: and then before you know it, she gets charged with
Speaker 2: the drug charge. She goes to set her a prison,
Speaker 2: and Larry is still raising their children. One of the
Speaker 2: things that I thought was interesting too is Leah was
Speaker 2: abusive to Larry, and she was very abusive to their
Speaker 2: two children. She would hit Larry, she would lie to him,
Speaker 2: she would attack him, she pull the life on him.
Speaker 2: She was sneaking out at night. She would disappear for
Speaker 2: days and they had no idea where she was until
Speaker 2: she would just show up. She was using drugs, she
Speaker 2: was drinking, so she was you know. And I had
Speaker 2: a conversation with Larry at one point and I said,
Speaker 2: do you know, do you realize at one point you
Speaker 2: could have been a yacht? And he said yes, And
Speaker 2: that's what scared me, she said, I never stopped thinking
Speaker 2: about that. So, you know, she's telling him one thing,
Speaker 2: she's telling everybody else another thing. And yet she's living
Speaker 2: a completely different life than what she's telling anyway. So
Speaker 2: she's out using drugs, she's out selling drugs, she's running
Speaker 2: with a you know, a bunch of hair dwells and
Speaker 2: ends up in prison and Meanwhile, her children are growing
Speaker 2: up not really knowing her because she's just so sporadic
Speaker 2: in their life. But she didn't want tell us jaw
Speaker 2: As any of it.
Speaker 6: Tell us how much she does, tell she's willing to do.
Speaker 6: I mean, you write about how she's willing to wear
Speaker 6: the headscarf at certain times and willing to be married
Speaker 6: in a Muslim in a Muslim ceremony. So tell us
Speaker 6: how far she goes and what is it for just
Speaker 6: for effect or how cooperative or willing is she to
Speaker 6: adopt some of this religion or enough for him to
Speaker 6: have her as his wife and to want to marry
Speaker 6: in the Muslim mosque? What does she do to secure
Speaker 6: this seal, this deal?
Speaker 2: Well, this is kind of what I think it's interesting
Speaker 2: about Leah is Leah's still look out for Leah, but
Speaker 2: also anytime to somehow know that her very conservative family,
Speaker 2: very conservative parents. The prosecating attorney told me this also,
Speaker 2: she felt it might be a way to kind of
Speaker 2: snub her nose, that this small town community she came from,
Speaker 2: you know, her ultra conservative parents growing up, their you know,
Speaker 2: religion was so important and you weren't supposed to do this,
Speaker 2: and you weren't supposed to do that. I think it
Speaker 2: is a way of or was a way of her
Speaker 2: kind of saying, oh yeah, watch this, And she did.
Speaker 2: Don Thehjah. They did marry in the Muslim ceremony. Ejah
Speaker 2: came to her and staid, perhaps we could learn to
Speaker 2: love one another. He was a very successful business man.
Speaker 2: He was very intelligent, he was very kind. He had
Speaker 2: his American family here, meaning Bonnie and her parents, but
Speaker 2: he didn't have a wife and children to kind of
Speaker 2: make his life complete. And I think that's what he
Speaker 2: was hoping to find, was that would get married, they
Speaker 2: would fall in love, and they would have this wonderful,
Speaker 2: happy life together. So she agreed, and you know, oh,
Speaker 2: I've always been interested in different religions and different lives.
Speaker 2: And so she married him and them Germany. She begins
Speaker 2: to with a his job. She's not wearing as much makeup,
Speaker 2: she won't spoke in public. You know, she's kind of
Speaker 2: taken on this role. And meanwhile she is still married
Speaker 2: to married to Steel, back at home, you know, wondering
Speaker 2: where she is raising her two children.
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Speaker 6: What is the relationship with Leah and Jordan?
Speaker 2: According to Jordan, Jordan told me that she was always
Speaker 2: very kind to him. If her children were visiting and
Speaker 2: she was taking them somewhere, buying them something, she would
Speaker 2: always include Jordan when he was there at the house.
Speaker 2: You know, she didn't make him feel like a stepchild,
Speaker 2: or you know, not her child. And he says, now,
Speaker 2: when of sen done, he wonders if that was also
Speaker 2: an act. And they got along fine, but every now
Speaker 2: and then Lea would pull these little strange behavioral sons,
Speaker 2: so to speak. For example, she dumped them off of
Speaker 2: the mall, you know, these little kids and kind of
Speaker 2: disappeared and then came back to the mall tooped them
Speaker 2: up and had a job on the phone going, well,
Speaker 2: I don't know where they are. They just took off me.
Speaker 2: So she would pull these little reindeer games with with
Speaker 2: the kids. Jordan said he never saw them physically fight.
Speaker 2: He said, you know, he would hear them fight. They
Speaker 2: he would hear them squabble. But he said to me,
Speaker 2: at that age, you know parents had squabbles. Parents I do.
Speaker 2: But he, you know, he told me, he said, I
Speaker 2: never saw him strike Leah or even attempt to. You know,
Speaker 2: she didn't see Leah punched in the chest. And some
Speaker 2: of Ejazh's friends were telling the stories of how Leah
Speaker 2: had once cold Cotstant in the eye, given him a
Speaker 2: bruise under his eye. She had shoved him, pushed him,
Speaker 2: punched him in the arms, these kind of things, because
Speaker 2: Leah had a hair trigger temper, and even her parents
Speaker 2: would admit because she would just she would just flip,
Speaker 2: you know, and the next thing, you know, there's fifty cuffs.
Speaker 2: She was in high school was she pulled a knife
Speaker 2: on the boy and she was angry at him because
Speaker 2: he had pushed her and made her fall down, and
Speaker 2: everybody laughed, and she was angry because she said he
Speaker 2: made her look like an idiot. So she came back
Speaker 2: to school with a knife looking for him, and that's
Speaker 2: one of the times that she got scooped up by
Speaker 2: the law and taken a divenal. She had this hair
Speaker 2: to the temper that was so unpredictable.
Speaker 6: She was doing things like taking money out of his
Speaker 6: account without permission. Things started slowly, but surely. He had
Speaker 6: friends like Johnny Smith Junior, which was a witness at
Speaker 6: the wedding, and he didn't see his friends to some
Speaker 6: of his friends all the time. But later, as you
Speaker 6: write in the book, these are people that are questioned
Speaker 6: and had altered incidents with e Jazz talking about his
Speaker 6: married life. So tell us a little bit about what
Speaker 6: was characteristic about his married life. What was her behavior
Speaker 6: like did she stay at home or was she out partying?
Speaker 6: And what did he do about it when he found out.
Speaker 2: Well, she was working as a nurse's aide and going
Speaker 2: to school also, and she would just exhibit his very
Speaker 2: strange behavior, like if she was in home healthcare and
Speaker 2: she'd be staying with a patient and she would call
Speaker 2: a job and just say, I think this man is
Speaker 2: going to try to rape me. So scared, I think
Speaker 2: he's going to try to grab me. I'm so scared
Speaker 2: to be here by myself, and she would get him
Speaker 2: all worked up and he would call the home health
Speaker 2: care company and they're saying, sir, there is no way
Speaker 2: we would put one of our patients. I'm sire, one
Speaker 2: of our employees' lives in danger, and he would just
Speaker 2: get so upset because in his mind, Leah was in
Speaker 2: a very dangerous situation. Any minute anounced that she could
Speaker 2: be sexually assaulted. And those were the kind of the
Speaker 2: things that she would pull, these little human dames. You know,
Speaker 2: each of his friends saw something different. He was having
Speaker 2: lunch with one of his very best friends and the
Speaker 2: friend's business secretary, which she showed up at the restaurant,
Speaker 2: just you know, raising all kinds of game because there
Speaker 2: he sat with another woman. And then every time he
Speaker 2: was on the phone with business, she would accuse him
Speaker 2: of cheating. And his friends, Jasa's friends would tell her,
Speaker 2: Jaques is not cheating on you. It is against his
Speaker 2: religion and he would not cheat on you, and she
Speaker 2: would just insist that he's out there seeing every female
Speaker 2: walking by, or you know, a woman walks into the
Speaker 2: store or under the car lot and he's after her.
Speaker 2: But that could be you know, that's the farthest from
Speaker 2: the truth. He was a very polite gentleman. He could
Speaker 2: be flirtatious, but he was definitely not interested in being
Speaker 2: with another woman and being with anybody besides his wife.
Speaker 2: And she was, you know, she was pulling all of
Speaker 2: these little games. And one of his Johnny, saw her
Speaker 2: chovey john and hide jobs, and he saw her temper
Speaker 2: go off. Now here's something I say that's really very
Speaker 2: interesting in this whole story. Jads had a goat that
Speaker 2: he kept in the backyard and the goat dies, and
Speaker 2: Ijad he's from Pakistan and he's a practical man, so
Speaker 2: he slaughters the goat for food. And Leah just went
Speaker 2: off on that. And she says to Jad, how would
Speaker 2: you like it if someone killed you and cut off
Speaker 2: your head? And only said to this day, you know,
Speaker 2: years later, he can hear her say it, he can
Speaker 2: see it. He said, it just would give him chills, cold,
Speaker 2: it chill. So she was so unpredictable.
Speaker 6: What was Bonnie's impression you spoke to her, and it's
Speaker 6: in this impression is in the book. But initially, what
Speaker 6: did she have to say and how much of the
Speaker 6: concern or her opinion. Did she share with e Jazz
Speaker 6: again her her friend she still had great feelings for
Speaker 6: So what was her oppression and what did she say?
Speaker 6: What did you share with him about Leah?
Speaker 2: Bonnie was happy that Ejacques had found someone because he
Speaker 2: had told her he had married and you know, he
Speaker 2: wanted to start a family and she was divorced and
Speaker 2: had children. So Fannie was happy for him, and they
Speaker 2: still had Jordan's together and both of them, you know,
Speaker 2: split custody of Jordan's and she was happy he did this. Well,
Speaker 2: he introduces and she's hearing these rumors off so that
Speaker 2: aji Ha seen this woman named Leah. She goes to
Speaker 2: meet Leah and she said, instead of just a regular handshake,
Speaker 2: Leah dug drug her fingernails across Bonnie's palm and they
Speaker 2: went to shake hands, and she said I could feel it.
Speaker 2: I could feel it. And she said I knew right
Speaker 2: away she did not like me. And she goes inside
Speaker 2: and she tells her husband something is wrong with that woman. Well, well,
Speaker 2: I don't know, she said, I can just feel it.
Speaker 2: And she told her friends and family. She said she
Speaker 2: is going to take him for everything he has Jo's
Speaker 2: had a lot of money. You know, he lived very simply.
Speaker 2: He dressed nicely, he kept hisself very well groomed. He
Speaker 2: had a lot of dollars and he would carry a
Speaker 2: lot of cash around also. And she told her family,
Speaker 2: she said, you know, kind of well he done at
Speaker 2: this time, and you know, she had her own things
Speaker 2: going on in her life, but she was hearing different
Speaker 2: family members saying, well, Ajall said this, and Aja said that,
Speaker 2: and her sister Johnny. Joe remembers the last time she
Speaker 2: spoke to john She said, I heard you got married.
Speaker 2: And he just said, oh, no, no, Johnny, she is bad.
Speaker 2: She is very, very bad. I have to get rid
Speaker 2: of her. And she thought, okay, I wonder what's going on.
Speaker 2: You know, it was that sort of birth reaction. And
Speaker 2: he and he and Bonnie would talk and she, you know,
Speaker 2: he would tell her he made a huge mistake and
Speaker 2: he's got to get out of this, this marriage. And
Speaker 2: he's also finding out he's finding out that his bank
Speaker 2: account is dwingling. He's finding out that, for example, he
Speaker 2: had a prize coin collection that was now missing money
Speaker 2: here and there in the house, was not items that
Speaker 2: he had put aside for Jordan's such as jewelry items
Speaker 2: from the store Regal Import. All of that was suddenly
Speaker 2: gone missing, and of course Leo was denying it, but
Speaker 2: yet who else could get into his account? And he
Speaker 2: was telling friends, you know again, she has gotten into
Speaker 2: my account again. She has taken money. And he says
Speaker 2: to his friends, what should I do? What should I do?
Speaker 2: And his very best friend said, you have to do
Speaker 2: within your heart, I can't tell you what to do.
Speaker 2: And he would tell his other friends, I have to
Speaker 2: get out of this because it is bad. And I
Speaker 2: think in his heart, ja thought that he could help her.
Speaker 2: And then he finds out about the drugs, which he has.
Speaker 2: He wants nothing to do with that. He finds out
Speaker 2: about the drinking, and again Jaques is wanting nothing to
Speaker 2: do with that, especially around the children. And then he
Speaker 2: finds out body is on parole and she just wilt paroles.
Speaker 2: She had to take a year in test and it
Speaker 2: turned out dirty, so now she's got to go back
Speaker 2: to prison. And that sort of set the wheels in
Speaker 2: a different direction, because that was when he said I
Speaker 2: want nothing more.
Speaker 6: To do with this, and he's hearing other things as well.
Speaker 6: All those friends are advising them. Anybody that's close to him,
Speaker 6: like you say, is advising him, warning him and telling him. Also,
Speaker 6: he finds out that she does have a history of
Speaker 6: mental illness and she's bipolar again, things that she didn't
Speaker 6: disclose to him, correct.
Speaker 2: Right, right, she was. He was telling friends. He said,
Speaker 2: you know, he found out that he took she took medicine,
Speaker 2: and that was fine, but she was not taking her
Speaker 2: medicine and so she was acting very bizarre and very wildly. Now,
Speaker 2: I really didn't go into the mental health of Leah
Speaker 2: in the book simply because I'm not a doctor. I
Speaker 2: don't want to ask someone, you know, third opinion on
Speaker 2: what's wrong with her? Is she bipolar? Because she did
Speaker 2: this because when Leah was in and now the mental
Speaker 2: health hospital, she was actually a diagnosed with several different disorders.
Speaker 2: And Leah would not speak to me, and I only
Speaker 2: had access to so many medical records through the Hippo lague.
Speaker 2: So I'm not about to say, well, I think she was,
Speaker 2: because it's not my place. But she she finally admits,
Speaker 2: yes I have this, and yes I'm doing that, and
Speaker 2: I'm using drugs and I've got to go back to prison.
Speaker 2: Then he finds out. Oh and by the way, I'm
Speaker 2: also still married to my first husband. So it just
Speaker 2: all still was crashing down.
Speaker 6: You talk about we mentioned Johnny Smith Junior. On April twelfth,
Speaker 6: he called the Jazz. He hadn't spoken to him for
Speaker 6: a little while, but on typically Leah answered the phone
Speaker 6: and quickly hung up. He said, he's not here. He
Speaker 6: left for Pakistan. Now tell us if he thought this
Speaker 6: rang true, and just briefly, as for people that may
Speaker 6: not remember what was going on a couple of years later,
Speaker 6: after nine to eleven, in terms of anybody considering traveling
Speaker 6: to countries like Pakistan.
Speaker 2: Right now, it did hurt him to know that it
Speaker 2: was not safe for him to travel home. Those were
Speaker 2: his blood relatives and Ejails was very close to his
Speaker 2: family there, and because of after nine to eleven, you know,
Speaker 2: he knew that no matter how law abiding you were,
Speaker 2: if you were Muslin, if you were from that part
Speaker 2: of the world, you were going to look at that
Speaker 2: you were going to be questioned, you were going to
Speaker 2: be watched. And he just felt it was so unsafe
Speaker 2: that he and a lot of his friends just quit
Speaker 2: traveling because they felt it was so unsafe. For them.
Speaker 2: So it's you know, people would call and say, hey,
Speaker 2: if Jah's there, oh no, he's going to Pakistan quick,
Speaker 2: or Jordan would call, or Bonnie or someone would call
Speaker 2: him and say. You know, John did not have a
Speaker 2: cell phone either, So they're calling the home phone and
Speaker 2: they're saying, is he John's there? Oh no, he's going
Speaker 2: to West Memphis for for cars, to buy cars. Okay,
Speaker 2: when will he do that? He'll probably be back tomorrow. Okay,
Speaker 2: well would you have him call me? Well, he's not
Speaker 2: going to be back for a while. And they kept thinking, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is very strange because one Jaques would always tell them,
Speaker 2: especially Jordan's, if he was going to leave the country.
Speaker 2: Plus they knew that because of nine to eleven, jos
Speaker 2: was afraid to travel. Now, he did make little day
Speaker 2: trips to little towns and such around Memphis to purchase
Speaker 2: cars or to look at vehicles, and that if he
Speaker 2: was going to be gone for over a day or
Speaker 2: very long, he would always tell them. He would always
Speaker 2: tell Jordan's. So they're trying to call Ejah, They're trying
Speaker 2: to get a hold of him. Johnny Smith has gone
Speaker 2: to Florida for a vacation, he comes back, and every
Speaker 2: time he would call, Leah would say, well, he's gone
Speaker 2: to Westminson, He's gone here, he's gone. And finally she says,
Speaker 2: well he's going to Pakistan. And Johnny's thinking that doesn't
Speaker 2: even make sense because clicks, she would just hang up
Speaker 2: on him, and so she's telling everybody different stories. And
Speaker 2: I think because this time, Leah still thinks, even though
Speaker 2: the news might be tightening, she can get herself of
Speaker 2: this because she always has before. And yet the family
Speaker 2: is going this doesn't even make sense. He wouldn't do
Speaker 2: this without telling us, you know, especially him going out
Speaker 2: of the country, out of state anywhere, and they would
Speaker 2: call and say, okay, well have you seen my dad?
Speaker 2: Have you seen my son in law? Have you seen Well, no,
Speaker 2: he didn't tell me what he was doing. So all
Speaker 2: of this is starting to sort of take place in
Speaker 2: April now, but last that anybody knows the Hoolia and
Speaker 2: the Jacques sada Is. After she went to her carrying
Speaker 2: since she broke parole, Jelles was saying, okay, this is enough,
Speaker 2: this is enough. I went out. He gave her some
Speaker 2: money and he put her up in one of the
Speaker 2: nicer hotels in Memphis, and I'm sure he did that
Speaker 2: and his family agrees, because she had kids. He was
Speaker 2: not about to put her out on the streets, right.
Speaker 2: He had friends to him, just get rid of us,
Speaker 2: throw her out, put her things out, and he said
Speaker 2: that she has children, and he didn't, you know, he
Speaker 2: left her kids too. He didn't want to do that
Speaker 2: to the little one. So, you know, beginning April, people
Speaker 2: are starting to try and get in touch with him.
Speaker 2: They're starting to call, they even go by the house.
Speaker 2: You know that he was answering the knots and you know,
Speaker 2: the lawn was maintained because he was very meticulous about
Speaker 2: how his house and his home looked. But the rest
Speaker 2: of it, you know, it just seems like everything is
Speaker 2: kind of spiraling downhill as far as whoever's taking care
Speaker 2: of the house. There's jump on the car court, the
Speaker 2: backyard cannot maintained. So it's just everybody just started saying, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is weird. Now. Bonnie tried to file a missing
Speaker 2: person's report that the law enforcement told her he's an adult,
Speaker 2: maybe he didn't go to Pakist dance and she's like,
Speaker 2: but I just have a feeling, well, maybe he did
Speaker 2: go by car and you're just missing him to and
Speaker 2: not just have a feeling. And they told her, well,
Speaker 2: you know, if they investigated every feeling in Memphis, Tennessee,
Speaker 2: they would never have time to pursue quote unquote real crime.
Speaker 2: You know, they can't just say, well, this lady feels
Speaker 2: like something bad happened. So you know, it seemed like
Speaker 2: everywhere they turned they were getting nowhere.
Speaker 6: You also talked about e Jazz told a close friend,
Speaker 6: I don't know if it was Jared, that that once
Speaker 6: he took her to this hotel, that she had kept
Speaker 6: a key and was back in her house. So that's
Speaker 6: how serious it was that he wanted her up, but
Speaker 6: she had a key, and so he was saying, I
Speaker 6: got to get rid of her. I got to stay
Speaker 6: away from her. I got to get away from her.
Speaker 6: He had told friends, right, she had.
Speaker 2: Dropped her off at the hotel, you know, okay to
Speaker 2: buy here's some Lenny thea And by the time he
Speaker 2: went back home, she had returned to the house, broke
Speaker 2: into the house, burgerized, it took everything of value that
Speaker 2: she could grab. So it's almost like, you know, I
Speaker 2: can never get out of here. And Ernestine told him
Speaker 2: get a restraining order, and he's saying, well, what is
Speaker 2: the restraining order? So she explains it to him and
Speaker 2: he's thinking, okay, I guess I'll have to do that.
Speaker 2: And she said, Ijah, take a friend with you so
Speaker 2: they can explain it to you. And he was she
Speaker 2: believed he was at that point thinking, okay, well then
Speaker 2: this is what I ref is what I have to
Speaker 2: do to get out of here. But of course, you
Speaker 2: know they're not actually seeing one another. She's not going
Speaker 2: to his house or by first. They're doing a lot
Speaker 2: of talking on the phone because he still trusts Ernestine
Speaker 2: and he still shares a lot of things with her.
Speaker 6: Now the Jordan and h Bonnie Ernestine are concerned they
Speaker 6: can't get a hold of Jordan's father. Leah's telling them
Speaker 6: various stories, so they go over there one time, and
Speaker 6: then they go over there again. Tell us when they
Speaker 6: go over there, the circumstances and the discovery.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, while Leah is telling everyone all of these
Speaker 2: Ringers game stories, she's also packing his stuff up. She's
Speaker 2: selling it. She's selling all of the cars. She's telling
Speaker 2: the people who over the Jah's wrint money, will just
Speaker 2: give me the money and of course at the time,
Speaker 2: you know, if you don't know what's going on in
Speaker 2: the John's house. Oh okay, his wife's going to collect
Speaker 2: rent from now, no big deal, and she's going to
Speaker 2: the neighbors. You want to buy some of the furniture.
Speaker 2: He's moving back to Pakistan. We're getting a divorce and
Speaker 2: neighbors are recruiting. Okay, there's a moving truck there. It
Speaker 2: was just enough note, you know, it was just one
Speaker 2: of those things. Oh yeah, there was a moving truck
Speaker 2: in the neighbors. I get their moving again. That sort
Speaker 2: of behavior, and Leah's kind of you know, timed it.
Speaker 2: She put all of the stuff that she couldn't sell
Speaker 2: a hot in a storage shed, public storage. She signed
Speaker 2: a leave for four months when she would be getting
Speaker 2: out of prison, and then on May the first, two
Speaker 2: thousand and three, she finally has to report in and
Speaker 2: she reports to a federal holding facility in Tennessee so
Speaker 2: she can begin her SINIC. Also on May the first,
Speaker 2: finally Ernestine says, okay, that's it. We're going over to
Speaker 2: the house and let them find out what's going on.
Speaker 2: And Jordan says, well, can I go, And she says,
Speaker 2: Sheriff come on and get in the car. They go
Speaker 2: to the house on Sea Aisle. The house is closed up. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is weird. They go to the side a bunch
Speaker 2: of junk on the sidewalk there under the car court
Speaker 2: they glanced out on the back backyard is trashed and
Speaker 2: they're trying to see through the windows, which are you know,
Speaker 2: the blinds are shut very tartly. Well, Jordan manages to
Speaker 2: see through the part of the window and he says,
Speaker 2: all of his stuff is gone, the stuff from his
Speaker 2: door is gone. So Ernest Kine goes across the street
Speaker 2: and she asks a neighbor, and the neighbor says, oh, well,
Speaker 2: that lady had a moving van out there a couple
Speaker 2: of days ago. But you know, if I think about it,
Speaker 2: I haven't seen the man that lives there. So they
Speaker 2: exchange phone numbers. At that point, as they're going back
Speaker 2: through their car, a little girl in the neighborhood says, hey,
Speaker 2: he got a chicken in their backyard. Well, that's Jordan's
Speaker 2: hen that's his pet chicken. And he says, you know, well,
Speaker 2: if dad's not home and Leah's not here, who's going
Speaker 2: to feed him and take care of him? So he
Speaker 2: runs to get the cage and get their to bring
Speaker 2: it to Ernest. Dan come and if they're rounding the
Speaker 2: corner into the backyard, Ernestine says, ooh, that's what it's
Speaker 2: smelling so bad, and you know, Jordan is saying, ooh,
Speaker 2: that smells bad. Well, each else has a metal shed
Speaker 2: in the backyard where he just kind of keeps various
Speaker 2: and sundry items, signs and car parts and two old
Speaker 2: motorcycles and it's sort of a catch all area. And
Speaker 2: it's also where Jordan's chicken had her nest. And Jordan
Speaker 2: is going, ooh, that smells bad. And they have to
Speaker 2: think it's early May in the south in minshis and
Speaker 2: I spoke with one of the investigators who said that's
Speaker 2: it would smell bad. However, because of the wind, because
Speaker 2: of the weather, because of you know, the soil, the traffic,
Speaker 2: you're not always going to be able to tell where
Speaker 2: that south smell is coming from. So they go to
Speaker 2: the backyard and the chicken runs into the shed. Well
Speaker 2: to go after his chicken and put him in the cage,
Speaker 2: Jordan moved some boards out of the way where the
Speaker 2: doors were Originally the doors wouldn't shut so he just
Speaker 2: put some wood up against the empty doorway, open doorway,
Speaker 2: excuse me. And there's an old foam a shell mattress
Speaker 2: on the ground that looks very out of place, and
Speaker 2: the stench is now unbearable, and Jordan says, well, what's
Speaker 2: under there? And Ernestine the mattress, and there is the
Speaker 2: Javreue's body where Leah had shot him twice. Several days
Speaker 2: later she decapitated him. She removed the piece and scronum
Speaker 2: drugged his body out to the shed and stepped it
Speaker 2: into the shed, covering it with that mattress, and she
Speaker 2: had also wrapped a black plastic bag around the body.
Speaker 2: And they found his ten year old son find his
Speaker 2: father's headless corpse rodding in the shed, and they go
Speaker 2: across the street notify the neighbor again, and that's when
Speaker 2: law enforcement arrives, fills off the curantine, and begins to
Speaker 2: research and investigation.
Speaker 6: Now Leah thinks that she has basically got an alibi.
Speaker 6: She's not the brightest criminal, and a lot of her
Speaker 6: behavior seems quite crazed. But she soon becomes the suspect, obviously,
Speaker 6: and they know where to find her, and they go
Speaker 6: to question her and just as she thinks she's got
Speaker 6: she's in hiding now and has an alibi. So tell
Speaker 6: us about her reaction to the questioning. You talk about
Speaker 6: a sergeant Norris. Tell us about what happens once they
Speaker 6: get her as a suspect and then they get her for.
Speaker 2: Questioning right as well as you know, you know, just
Speaker 2: because you have this suspect or someone had meant to
Speaker 2: the crime, that's something that there are just days and
Speaker 2: days and days of investigation. There's people to talk to,
Speaker 2: there's interviews, there's repeats to be found. Well, Leah thinks,
Speaker 2: you know, she's going to a federal facility to do
Speaker 2: the rest of her little four months. Marshall scoop her
Speaker 2: up and take her to downtown Memphis, and within a
Speaker 2: very short time she confesses. But she also says that
Speaker 2: Jacques was very brutal to her, made her wear that jab,
Speaker 2: made her be a Muslim just with a ballistic chara
Speaker 2: trigger temper was beating her regularly. She told the story
Speaker 2: that he went busting into the bedroom, knocking the door off,
Speaker 2: the Tenderes choked her, She grabbed the gun. She doesn't
Speaker 2: remember how she shot him. She doesn't remember the hu
Speaker 2: and you know, she starts this self defense story, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure in part you know, she's saying to herself, Okay,
Speaker 2: if I can say self the fense and it was
Speaker 2: a domestic you know, relationship, violent relationships, then I'm going
Speaker 2: to get away with this. And so she starts telling
Speaker 2: the sale of how the Jaws was just a brutal
Speaker 2: man and he was mean to her, and you know,
Speaker 2: she was just this innocent woman trying to escape and
Speaker 2: she had to shoot her way out because she was
Speaker 2: running for her life. Well, the investigation itself warranted nothing
Speaker 2: for that because of there was you know, there's nothing
Speaker 2: wrong with the house. There were no doors off hinges,
Speaker 2: there were no signs of tempering, there were no signs
Speaker 2: of a door being knocked off and handed him and replaced.
Speaker 2: No broken glass, no broken locks, no broken door knobs.
Speaker 2: Everything that she was saying happened physically showed that it
Speaker 2: was a lie. And then of course people they begin
Speaker 2: interviewing people about Leah, about Jades, and you know, okay,
Speaker 2: they've got her arrested for this, but what is the
Speaker 2: real story? And that's what you know. Again, it slowly
Speaker 2: starts unpeeling like an onion. Here's what's really going on,
Speaker 2: and that with her story of oh a lot of
Speaker 2: an abused woman and I finally had enough and I
Speaker 2: had to shoot him. Well, you know, there's no marks
Speaker 2: on her skin, there's no marks signs of abuse. She's
Speaker 2: not showing the typical responses or signs of the interview's female.
Speaker 2: And then of course they're finding out, well, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: she was abusive in this situation. She was abusive toward
Speaker 2: her ex husband, and her story just basically fell through.
Speaker 6: They also, we didn't mention that she had shot him twice,
Speaker 6: once in the heart, once in the stomach, and maybe
Speaker 6: didn't emphasize this. She took his scrotum and penis and
Speaker 6: cut that off. And in this investigation you talk about
Speaker 6: the assistant DA, Pamela Fleming, and Missy the district attorney,
Speaker 6: and she and both of them together have to do
Speaker 6: an investigation again to prove or disprove her claims completely
Speaker 6: to be able to do this case, because no case
Speaker 6: is a slam dunk. And they talk about their discovery
Speaker 6: of the crack and the meth and then all the
Speaker 6: things that they discover to not support her case, her
Speaker 6: tale of abuse at the hands of Jazz. So tell
Speaker 6: us what they do find about Leah and her behavior
Speaker 6: in this marriage.
Speaker 2: Well, one of the stories that I've said very interesting
Speaker 2: that they were very hands on investigators, and you know,
Speaker 2: you have your crime team photos of the shed and
Speaker 2: that house and where it is in correlation to everything,
Speaker 2: and so they're literally taking a step like steps and saying, okay,
Speaker 2: if she took the body to the shed, how did
Speaker 2: she do that alone? So Pamela told me they went
Speaker 2: to the house and they're looking the shed is actually
Speaker 2: closer to the house than you can see in the
Speaker 2: in the crime team photos. And she says, you know,
Speaker 2: if I'm moving furniture across the carpet, I put something
Speaker 2: slick in between it, and it slides better, it slides well.
Speaker 2: And she's saying, I bet that's you know, And they're
Speaker 2: looking at the crime team photos at the same time,
Speaker 2: and she says, I think it's doable. I think she
Speaker 2: had him on that plastic, was dragging his body and
Speaker 2: drugged it up into the shed and covered it up
Speaker 2: with it egg show mattress. And so that's one of
Speaker 2: the things that they discovered. And Leah shows up to
Speaker 2: I believe it's a hearing, and she has shaved off
Speaker 2: her whole head. Is this ball that looks like, you know,
Speaker 2: she just fell into the hedge flippers And as the
Speaker 2: at the proceedings began, Leah crows up into a ball
Speaker 2: on the floor in a fetal position and stays there
Speaker 2: during the whole the whole legal process. And so Leah
Speaker 2: was kind of the scuttle butt of the of the
Speaker 2: court system there for a while, just because of her
Speaker 2: very strange behavior. She uh she became pregnant while she
Speaker 2: was awaiting trial, and again she claimed it was a
Speaker 2: rape during when she was at a mental health hospital
Speaker 2: for evaluation. You know, as you know, you have to
Speaker 2: be evaluated to see if you're legal. Extain, she began proceedings.
Speaker 2: Leah went for her evaluation, she claimed she was raped,
Speaker 2: but the story just goes all over the place, and
Speaker 2: they believed that it was someone that was an employee
Speaker 2: of the jail. And she made up this whole rapeas
Speaker 2: I was in the hospital and you know, here I
Speaker 2: am the victim again of the system, and she just
Speaker 2: kind of it was costed this whole, very strange story
Speaker 2: that did not hold up to this day. She's still
Speaker 2: insisting that she was raped while in the mental health hospital.
Speaker 2: She had the child, she gave it up for adoption,
Speaker 2: and they said, you know, they don't want a pregnant
Speaker 2: woman on the stand because of the way a jury
Speaker 2: would react no matter what she's done. Also, it could
Speaker 2: be very expensive if they begin the trial and then
Speaker 2: Leah has to go into labor, have a child, you know,
Speaker 2: just everything. It could hurt her health and it hurts
Speaker 2: the trial. So they had to wait until she had
Speaker 2: that child. And so they were just you know, very strange,
Speaker 2: bizarre things that kept popping up in her behavior and
Speaker 2: her actions. And then she kept writing the judge, you know,
Speaker 2: these these long drawn out letters about all she wants
Speaker 2: to do is be a mother to her children and
Speaker 2: to have her child. And you know, have mercy on me,
Speaker 2: because I'm just a Yes, i kill him, but I'm
Speaker 2: just a battered woman that was standing up for my
Speaker 2: rights and she's really me. She even sent the judge
Speaker 2: pictures of her kids. So it was just always very
Speaker 2: you know, and was it mental health? Was it just
Speaker 2: very bizarre behavior. Was that Lydia still trying to play,
Speaker 2: you know, play her cards to get out of this,
Speaker 2: because she always did. She always, you know, was able
Speaker 2: to talk herself. Leah is his street wise. She's very
Speaker 2: street smart, and you know, partly believes that she thinks, okay,
Speaker 2: if I can just keep talking and keep playing these games,
Speaker 2: you know, like the jaw's missing. You know, how how
Speaker 2: long did she think the story was gonna stand? Oh
Speaker 2: he's in pakistand oh he's in a smithy, he's in
Speaker 2: less smithy. He just left. He just missed him, you know.
Speaker 2: And did she not think someone would find a dead
Speaker 2: body in the you know, backyard in the metal shed
Speaker 2: in the summer of missic Well, it'll just stay there
Speaker 2: until and I'll take care of it when I get out.
Speaker 2: I could see her thinking that I'll just take care
Speaker 2: of it, you know, when I get out of here.
Speaker 6: And she.
Speaker 2: Quote never remembered what she did with his head. She says, well,
Speaker 2: she drove around and she threw it in the dumpster.
Speaker 2: But she just doesn't remember where after she shot him.
Speaker 2: She went for a walk. She said, she just went
Speaker 2: for a walk around the neighborhood. You know, where did
Speaker 2: she put body parks? She doesn't remember, you know, well
Speaker 2: what to do that, you know, witnesses came forth instead.
Speaker 2: She had parties in that house. But that dead body
Speaker 2: she kept her for a while. She kept in the
Speaker 2: bathroom and it was a fifty style you know, one
Speaker 2: of the very small bathrooms. She kept the body in there.
Speaker 2: I mean while she had parties. You know, there were
Speaker 2: people going in and out. There was a used condoms
Speaker 2: found when they discovered the body and they looked through
Speaker 2: the house, there was you know, so obviously she you know,
Speaker 2: she has There was a cake. There was a happy
Speaker 2: eaten birthday cake in the trash. So people were there,
Speaker 2: they were celibrating how they did not you know, she
Speaker 2: just she just got away with it, basically, And that's
Speaker 2: tell Leah thinks. And you know she would tell people, well,
Speaker 2: the fridge went out, meaning the refrigerators. That really stem
Speaker 2: to help up, but the refrigerator was working, so you know,
Speaker 2: who knows, who know what what she was speeding?
Speaker 6: Wow, And this is a Tennessee's a death penalty state.
Speaker 6: So but as you write, there's no woman had been
Speaker 6: executed since nineteen hundred in Tennessee.
Speaker 2: Correct, correct, there's only I death well in Tennessee.
Speaker 6: Well, now she has a public defender, she doesn't have
Speaker 6: the funds. She has a person named Kathy Kent, and
Speaker 6: you have Pamela Pamela in this case and along with
Speaker 6: the Missy Branham, then Paula Fleming, and they're prosecuting this case.
Speaker 6: And of course you, as you write, the defense is
Speaker 6: using the defense of self defense. So how does this proceed?
Speaker 6: And what is is her behavior? As the trial pro
Speaker 6: seeds tell us a little bit about the trial.
Speaker 2: Well, during the trial, she was very quiet, very subdude.
Speaker 2: She did not take the stand. Camila says she was.
Speaker 2: She was surprisingly calm. You know, I didn't say it's
Speaker 2: you know, hardly any words publicly, this very demurred. And
Speaker 2: her husband, Larry, he hears through the grapevine of Lia's,
Speaker 2: you know, on trial from murder what so he shows up.
Speaker 2: He watches that the trial itself only took a few days.
Speaker 2: You know, the Joys loved when they're in there, they're
Speaker 2: watching the trial, Liz and she was just very calm
Speaker 2: and collected. And you know where she playing the same
Speaker 2: the abused person, you know where she's playing the victims
Speaker 2: who knows only only Leah Willly knows. Tennessee prisons retained
Speaker 2: the ability to reduce stentancy. They and the behavior when
Speaker 2: someone is incarcerated, and they don't have heloon. You're just
Speaker 2: out when she's you know, she then receives the death penalties,
Speaker 2: she receives life. However, in order to be released under behavior,
Speaker 2: she has to have a spotless record inside prison, which
Speaker 2: she does not have. You know, Leah can't follow the
Speaker 2: wills outside of prison. She certainly can't follow them inside.
Speaker 2: She's been caught with a deadly weapon. She's been caught
Speaker 2: numerous times for failure to obey orders or you know,
Speaker 2: she was out of bounds in one area. So you know,
Speaker 2: even something is simple to you know, stay out of
Speaker 2: this area. She's going to cross the lawn that I'm
Speaker 2: getting ahead of myself here. That the trial itself, she
Speaker 2: was just very calm, collected, and when they found her guilty,
Speaker 2: she turned and looked at Jordan's and her eyes filled
Speaker 2: with tears and she and then that's when they you know,
Speaker 2: she stood and the handcuffed and she left the room.
Speaker 2: And that's the last that anybody who loved Dji joining
Speaker 2: his family heard of her. And now she's incarcerated, and
Speaker 2: we're assuming her record behind bars is clear, going to
Speaker 2: be Leah could be released in the twenty fifty and
Speaker 2: she'll be in her early eighties. But she's there for life.
Speaker 2: She's not going to be released. Of course, she's writing
Speaker 2: a fosse. She's become a legal eagle, and she's writing
Speaker 2: up a lot of arguments and such to be released
Speaker 2: that it's not going to happen.
Speaker 6: Right, And the sentence was life without the possibility of parole.
Speaker 2: Right, she got a life sentence. And there she sits
Speaker 2: in the Tennessee Prison for winning. And see inmates who
Speaker 2: get life sentences for first degree murder, they have to
Speaker 2: serve a minimum of fifty one year of intimacy, right,
Speaker 2: and they're only going to be eligible for fifteen redeption
Speaker 2: during that time period. They're only going to be eligible
Speaker 2: if they have that good behavior and do what they're
Speaker 2: supposed to be, you know, prove that they can follow
Speaker 2: the rules and act wight. They just fee. What it
Speaker 2: can be down to really is just it ain't happening.
Speaker 6: What about Bonnie and her son Jordan? What I know,
Speaker 6: there's no such thing as closure. What did the did
Speaker 6: at least the trial rehabilitate Not that his his father
Speaker 6: really seriously had his reputation tarnished by this woman, but
Speaker 6: what was the Where were they at at the end
Speaker 6: of that trial? Bonnie and Jordan?
Speaker 2: Of course a trial is brain somewhat of a closure. No,
Speaker 2: at least it was put away so she couldn't hurt
Speaker 2: anyone else like she hurts that family. And their biggest concern,
Speaker 2: I think is why they want to know why she
Speaker 2: did it? Why didn't she just walk? She gave her
Speaker 2: a handful of money, you know, he gave her a
Speaker 2: place to stay as far as the hotel. You know,
Speaker 2: why didn't she just walk? Why did she have to
Speaker 2: kill him? Why did she have to do it so brutally?
Speaker 2: You know, here's this good man who did the best
Speaker 2: he could for her, believing that he could help her,
Speaker 2: and he could make help make her a good person.
Speaker 2: And what if she do She turns around, she shoots him,
Speaker 2: she kills him, She leaves the dead body in the
Speaker 2: house for days. She moves it, you know, she she
Speaker 2: beheads him. She moves the body out and thrust it
Speaker 2: into a shed, you know, like it was nothing, and
Speaker 2: then just goes on hermary Way to do her four
Speaker 2: months and get out. And then what you know, why
Speaker 2: why would someone do that? And now you and I
Speaker 2: know it as he that there's never an answer to
Speaker 2: the why, right, you know, there's never really an answer.
Speaker 2: And of course when you're when the flowing into this,
Speaker 2: you know, you had no idea that several years from
Speaker 2: now you would have a lovely and murdered And there
Speaker 2: you are to watching the trial. You know, you're you're
Speaker 2: you want to know why did you do this? You
Speaker 2: know it never hurts you, And of course you know
Speaker 2: when when someone is the victims of a crime, victim
Speaker 2: survivor of a crime, your life has divided into two
Speaker 2: places before the crime and after the crime, and it's
Speaker 2: changed a lot of the way. Of course they've they've
Speaker 2: looked at life in general. Some of the family members
Speaker 2: report that they don't like to go out in public.
Speaker 2: They don't feel safe in public, you know, they'd rather
Speaker 2: stay at home. And of course, you know there's a
Speaker 2: there's a high rate of alcoholism and drug abuse in
Speaker 2: person who have lost a log into a crime. So
Speaker 2: it's sort of all around the board. Now Jordan is
Speaker 2: going to college for his degree. He is very much
Speaker 2: like a joh He's very kind, he's intelligent, he's a
Speaker 2: very soft spoken man. He's got such a good heart
Speaker 2: and to come out of this, you know, to be
Speaker 2: who he is. Is saying a lot about both the
Speaker 2: ways Jahs raised him and his grandmother and his family
Speaker 2: raised him. And you know, he said, if I hate her,
Speaker 2: I'm only hurting myself.
Speaker 6: And how is Bonnie today?
Speaker 3: She?
Speaker 2: I think she's learning a lot about herself, particularly once
Speaker 2: the books has come out. She's learning that there are
Speaker 2: parts in her soul and in her heart and in
Speaker 2: her mind that she wasn't aware of until this time period.
Speaker 2: Of course, there's a lot of anger toward La. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of badness toward her, and then there's even
Speaker 2: a little bit of compassion. You know, what happened to
Speaker 2: her growing up, what happened to her mental health, you know,
Speaker 2: what happened to her physical that would make her do this.
Speaker 2: And I asked them, if you could say something to her,
Speaker 2: she could talk to her, would you, And every member
Speaker 2: of the family said yes. Now few were kind of like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe let me think about it. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but unfortunately, I don't think they're ever going to get
Speaker 2: an answer Trumblia as to why did I do this?
Speaker 2: I think she'll play the game. Oh he was hitting me,
Speaker 2: you know, he's made me commit to being a Muslim, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, I think part of the reason she
Speaker 2: beheaded him is because of the movie religion the body
Speaker 2: has to be buried whole, and I'm wondering if that's
Speaker 2: not one of the reasons why she did what she did.
Speaker 2: It's also the kind of you know, somehow knowed that
Speaker 2: him and the religion.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it seems like this story is in terms of reason. Again,
Speaker 6: there is no real logic or logical reason, but it
Speaker 6: seems a mix of when you put crack in meth
Speaker 6: and mental illness, even a little and a little bit
Speaker 6: of crack and a little bit of meth and a
Speaker 6: little bit of mental illness, and you mix it all
Speaker 6: up and untowards sort of intentions to marry this guy
Speaker 6: like a sucker. She did comply, it seemed, but just
Speaker 6: to be able to seal the deal. So it seems
Speaker 6: a mix. But certainly she is Evil as an appropriate title.
Speaker 6: I want to thank you very much for coming on
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Speaker 6: Great, well, I want to thank you very much for
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Speaker 6: Thank you very much for this interview, and you have
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Speaker 2: Juduccy. We safe out there day.
Speaker 6: Thank you, Thank you, Judas. Good night,