Speaker 1: There used to be this couple named Martha and CJ.
Speaker 1: From here in Oklahoma, and a Native American couple that
Speaker 1: we knew, and they had all kinds of stories. Man,
Speaker 1: I mean, there is stuff going on all the time
Speaker 1: where they live. There's still stuff that goes on there
Speaker 1: in that community on a pretty regular basis. But these
Speaker 1: people had activity going on their place all the time.
Speaker 1: Martha had had activity in her life since she was
Speaker 1: a little girl. And one of the stories that she
Speaker 1: had from whenever she was younger was actually leading a
Speaker 1: bigfoot into their house like holding on to its two fingers.
Speaker 1: She's a little girl, mind you, and she's like walking
Speaker 1: with this thing through her front door. She opens the
Speaker 1: front door and walks in, and this bigfoot comes in
Speaker 1: behind her and kind of like ducks its head underneath
Speaker 1: the door, and all the men jump up, you know,
Speaker 1: and they're like trying to get it out of the
Speaker 1: house and shoot it out of the house, and it
Speaker 1: just looks at him and goes.
Speaker 2: And turns around and ducks back onto the door and
Speaker 2: walks off.
Speaker 3: That is the crapiest story of the year. Yeah, I'm done.
Speaker 1: This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name's Matt and twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four has left the building. Ladies and gentlemen, we are
Speaker 1: kicking off twenty twenty five. Man, that just sounds weird
Speaker 1: to say. I've got Bob and Steven with me from
Speaker 1: the Fantabulous Bigfoot Club podcast. If you've listened to the show,
Speaker 1: you've heard them before. If not, you're hearing them now. Guys,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining me.
Speaker 3: Hey Matt, what's going on? Mat?
Speaker 2: Hey? Guys, We're happy. We're happy to be one. How
Speaker 2: is your New Year's Eve?
Speaker 3: It was good? Good.
Speaker 4: I mean, we didn't do much. We wrapped up the
Speaker 4: season last Saturday, so.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was We watched The Yellowstone and then
Speaker 5: I went to bed. Yeah yeah, yeah, we're all old
Speaker 5: now mm hmm, yep, there we are. I was actually
Speaker 5: woken up at midnight by the sound of my dog
Speaker 5: barking at fireworks.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, oh yeah, you have a new dog now.
Speaker 2: I do. I do?
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wanted to do kind of a year in wrap
Speaker 1: up episode, a little question answer thing for the listeners
Speaker 1: out there, had some people sending some questions, and uh,
Speaker 1: before we get to that, there's actually a couple things
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you guys. About the first
Speaker 1: thing that comes to mind. It's been in the headlines
Speaker 1: everywhere recently. Obviously, the bigfoot community has talked about it.
Speaker 1: Two Portland men going out to hunt for sasquatch on
Speaker 1: Christmas Eve unfortunately went missing. Their bodies were found a
Speaker 1: few days later, and the story is they had died
Speaker 1: from exposure to the elements. No names have been mentioned
Speaker 1: as far as I know of. Maybe names will eventually
Speaker 1: come out, but as of right now, I haven't heard anybody.
Speaker 2: I have asked a.
Speaker 1: Couple of people if they have any idea who these
Speaker 1: guys were. Nobody seems to know, so I guess it
Speaker 1: might have just been a couple of randoms, you know,
Speaker 1: and not people tied to any bigfoot groups or anything.
Speaker 2: But a truly tragic event.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would I did see that.
Speaker 4: I think we had talked off air about that.
Speaker 3: That National Forest, it's called Gifford R.
Speaker 1: Gifford Gifford Pinchot National Forest in Scamania County in Washington, so.
Speaker 4: I know it's in Scaminia and it's also in Lewis
Speaker 4: County as well. But the bfro's got at least fifty
Speaker 4: three bigfoot side of reports in those counties.
Speaker 1: That part of Washington is like one of the hottest
Speaker 1: areas for Sasquatch ever. I mean that's where like Mount
Speaker 1: Saint Helens is and everything, so it's like a really
Speaker 1: popular place to go. It's hard for me to understand
Speaker 1: how two guys out looking for Bigfoot could die from
Speaker 1: exposure to the elements. Every time I've gone out for me,
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well you could have gotten back to
Speaker 1: the vehicle, or you know, I've never even been in
Speaker 1: an area that didn't have like a little bit of
Speaker 1: cell phone service of some kind at least close by.
Speaker 1: But Washington in the Pacific Northwest is an entirely different beast,
Speaker 1: you know. And it's just really horrible this happened, especially
Speaker 1: at Christmas time. Man, that's just the worst.
Speaker 4: So when when you first heard this story, did you
Speaker 4: did you immediately think it was like like Bigfoot that
Speaker 4: did it? Or they just they just died of elements, Like.
Speaker 2: I wasn't real sure.
Speaker 1: I'm still not, you know, I don't want to turn
Speaker 1: a story like this into content since people lost their lives,
Speaker 1: right because we don't know the situation or the actual
Speaker 1: scenario that took place. I really don't think that it
Speaker 1: was anybody connected to any of the Bigfoot groups out
Speaker 1: there firsthand, because I mean I know a lot of
Speaker 1: those guys and I don't I just don't think they
Speaker 1: would have caught got caught, you know, unprepared like this,
Speaker 1: especially in an area like that. I think most people
Speaker 1: try to be as prepared as possible, but you know,
Speaker 1: humans make mistakes, and it's just it just goes to
Speaker 1: show you that regardless, you know, take the element of
Speaker 1: bigfoot out of it, just the act of looking for
Speaker 1: bigfoot is a dangerous hobby for anyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4: I did a little bit of research on this, and
Speaker 4: there was a gentleman by the name of John Hopkins
Speaker 4: and he was a Seattle resident, sixty nine years old.
Speaker 4: He disappeared on November the twenty twenty two. And then
Speaker 4: there was a gentleman by the name of Christopher Zick Wickets.
Speaker 4: He disappeared in twenty thirteen. And then schemina County sheriff,
Speaker 4: stated on an article that at least twelve other people
Speaker 4: have been missing in that area as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I talked to a buddy of mine out there, Todd
Speaker 1: Hill with the Olympic Project, and he was talking about
Speaker 1: Yet people go missing all the time out there. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a regular event unfortunately. But you know, again, the
Speaker 1: terrain and everything, it's like completely different than it is
Speaker 1: where we live. But it seems like the media did
Speaker 1: what the media does, and since they were like out
Speaker 1: looking for bigfoot at the time, that's what got pushed
Speaker 1: in the headlines and everything, and they really used it
Speaker 1: for the attention grab on the article. So I'm not
Speaker 1: going to be surprised if we don't hear anything more
Speaker 1: about this, or if we never get the names, because
Speaker 1: I think the media has kind of gotten their goodie
Speaker 1: out of it and they're done with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: A little follow up thing though, one of the search
Speaker 1: and rescue teams that was involved in searching for these
Speaker 1: men after they found the bodies, like the very next night,
Speaker 1: their trailer got broken into and all their equipment stolen.
Speaker 3: That's odd.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they made a post on the internet about it, asking,
Speaker 1: you know, if anybody's got any information or whatever.
Speaker 6: But it's just like, wow, jeez, maybe they saw something
Speaker 6: they weren't supposed to. And it's just events like this
Speaker 6: are so difficult to cover because you want to be
Speaker 6: respectful to the family and friends and you know, the
Speaker 6: men that lost their lives, and I know everybody wants information,
Speaker 6: and you know, plenty of people are going to start
Speaker 6: speculating us to.
Speaker 1: What could have happened. Is there a cover up involved?
Speaker 1: You know, did they find what they were looking for
Speaker 1: and met their demise? But you know, we're probably just
Speaker 1: not going to get the information. That's not anything that
Speaker 1: anybody would ever come out with. So I hope that
Speaker 1: the Bigfoot world, you know, kind of lets these guys
Speaker 1: rest in peace.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: And in other news, drones in New Jersey aka UFOs
Speaker 1: in New Jersey aka government vehicles flying over New Jersey
Speaker 1: and everywhere else in the United States. Another huge headline
Speaker 1: at the end of this year or last year now
Speaker 1: that you know, was just plastered everywhere and talking about
Speaker 1: speculation running wild. It certainly took off with that, but
Speaker 1: I was surprised to see none other than Matt Moneymaker
Speaker 1: of the BFRO posting about it, and not only posting
Speaker 1: about it, but publicly admitting that he has seen orbs
Speaker 1: out in the woods while looking for Bigfoot, and so
Speaker 1: have other BFRO members, and that it's like a common
Speaker 1: thing apparently, even though he's never really talked about it
Speaker 1: or admitted to it previously.
Speaker 4: You know, I can honestly say because Stephen and I
Speaker 4: we actually interviewed Carter Bischard and he's a former BFRO guy,
Speaker 4: and he has he has said on our show that
Speaker 4: anytime he ran into orbs, right, anything he ran into
Speaker 4: orbs or anything supernatural ist, that the BFRORO would scrub
Speaker 4: it off. So I thought, that's kind of odd.
Speaker 3: Why.
Speaker 4: I don't know, he just said that they just didn't
Speaker 4: like any of the supernatural aspect of it.
Speaker 1: But I mean, they build themselves and I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to turn this into a bash the BFRO session, but
Speaker 1: I mean they've build themselves as the only scientific organization
Speaker 1: searching for Bigfoot. I mean, that's how they presented themselves
Speaker 1: on their website for years. That's not very scientific to
Speaker 1: scrub information out of the reports. I mean, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying, you know, to make a connection between orbs
Speaker 1: and Bigfoot, but if you're out looking for bigfoot and
Speaker 1: you see orbs, that should be documented. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're out looking for bigfoot and you see a bear,
Speaker 1: that should be documented. So I don't understand what the
Speaker 1: problem is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like that one at all.
Speaker 1: But we've been talking about orbs for a long time.
Speaker 1: You know, you've seen a strange light anomaly while out
Speaker 1: looking for Bigfoot. It's something that I talk to guests
Speaker 1: about regularly on the show, and it's like, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: so you're finally admitting to orbs existing. Cool, thanks for
Speaker 1: catching up with the rest of the class.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's almost like it's like, you know, he's finally
Speaker 4: given in or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's just one of those things that get with the times,
Speaker 4: and I guess he's finally doing it living now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me read a little bit of what he wrote.
Speaker 1: He says, BFRO people including myself have seen these new
Speaker 1: Jersey drones several times over the years. We've seen these
Speaker 1: things enough times and in enough places to notice a pattern.
Speaker 1: The locations were always devoid of any humans except for us.
Speaker 1: For miles in any direction, we could see these bright
Speaker 1: crafts dropping in and out of remote mountain valleys, big
Speaker 1: dark areas with no roads or mark trails. It seemed
Speaker 1: these luminous objects, which bobbed around like big, lazy flying
Speaker 1: bugs in the dark mountain valleys, were intentionally trying to
Speaker 1: stay as far away from humans as possible, as if
Speaker 1: they were trying to stay out of our view, just
Speaker 1: like bigfoots prefer. Also, these drones are nothing new to us,
Speaker 1: but the behavioral difference is striking. Now they are trying
Speaker 1: to be seen. They were doing the opposite before.
Speaker 4: Do you think he's just trying to stay relevant inside
Speaker 4: the news or something.
Speaker 1: I mean, it kind of sounds like he might try
Speaker 1: to be cashing in on a hot topic, you know,
Speaker 1: on Twitter, using hashtags and stuff. Yeah, he's making a
Speaker 1: connection here to the New Jersey drones, claiming that the
Speaker 1: New Jersey drones and the orbs that he has witnessed
Speaker 1: himself out in the woods looking for Bigfoot are the
Speaker 1: same thing.
Speaker 2: Whenever. I don't think that's been established at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean since October the first, twenty twenty four,
Speaker 4: there's like eight hundred thousand drones that are being registered
Speaker 4: to the FAA in the like in the US.
Speaker 3: I mean I have a drone. I don't. I don't
Speaker 3: have it registered. I mean there's some many drones.
Speaker 4: Right, It's hard, it's I mean, some people are probably
Speaker 4: like reapport duplicate sightings or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that make it seem like it's so many. I
Speaker 3: don't know. I'm just.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that the UFO world has jumped
Speaker 1: on this thing, and I know that people think that
Speaker 1: there's some grand conspiracy at work.
Speaker 2: But I would ask.
Speaker 1: Everyone to take pause for a second and just back
Speaker 1: up a little bit. Like you're saying, there are hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousands of people with drones out there. Anybody can
Speaker 1: own a drone, it's not a big deal. Hardly anybody
Speaker 1: actually registers their drones. So the numbers of people that
Speaker 1: are registering the drones, that's the minority of drone owners.
Speaker 1: So you take that into consideration. Then you take into
Speaker 1: consideration it started right around the time that people start
Speaker 1: putting up Christmas lights, and I know that there are
Speaker 1: people hear that fly drones and take video and pictures
Speaker 1: of buildings and Christmas lights and everything else all the time.
Speaker 1: Then you've got helicopters doing light tours. You've got airplane.
Speaker 1: My wife Leslie went up in an airplane to look
Speaker 1: at Christmas lights last year, like a little private airplane.
Speaker 1: So like there's lots of air traffic going on around
Speaker 1: Christmas time especially, and whenever you have this stuff getting
Speaker 1: sensationalized on the Internet by people just trying to use
Speaker 1: it for content. People are gonna, you know, start reporting
Speaker 1: every single light they see in the sky. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I don't think that, like, I never saw anything that
Speaker 1: I would consider anything other than just like a man
Speaker 1: made drone, just like a regular you know, available to
Speaker 1: consumer drone being flown around in the sky. I think
Speaker 1: it got a lot of attention because of the Internet.
Speaker 1: I think there was a lot of fake videos out
Speaker 1: there that said, you know, like oh look and showing
Speaker 1: some crazy CGI thing that they created and claiming that
Speaker 1: they captured this footage over New Jersey, and people just
Speaker 1: ran with it. They went crazy with it like they
Speaker 1: always do.
Speaker 4: You know what really bugged me is that when theyever
Speaker 4: the the federal government is saying they don't know what
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 3: That's what really really bugged me the most. Yeah, they
Speaker 3: know what it is, they do, they know where it's going.
Speaker 1: But see I read like a couple of reports where
Speaker 1: it was saying like the local police didn't ask the
Speaker 1: federal government for help, So like they're not going to
Speaker 1: get involved in something if they haven't been asked to
Speaker 1: get involved in something, and they're not going to get
Speaker 1: involved in something like, I mean drones, are they really
Speaker 1: going to care? Like what are they going to do?
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, if you do see
Speaker 1: a strange drone up in the sky as a law
Speaker 1: enforcement officer or a federal employee of some kind and
Speaker 1: you want to go see that drone to see what
Speaker 1: it is, you're going to send up another they're drone
Speaker 1: to go look at it. You can't go chase it
Speaker 1: around with a helicopter or anything. So now you're putting
Speaker 1: another drone in this guy. And now that drone is
Speaker 1: getting reported as some crazy UFO. I think it's a
Speaker 1: lot of tel chasing man.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then the FAA they have, you know, there's rules
Speaker 4: because they consider that like a like almost like a
Speaker 4: commercial plane. You can't you can't shoot it down, you
Speaker 4: can't right knock it down. So it's like only like
Speaker 4: the the DOJ and the FBI, and I think there's
Speaker 4: another government entity that can do something about it.
Speaker 1: I think one of them crashed or something in New
Speaker 1: Jersey and like you know, the fire department and police
Speaker 1: came out and Hasmat came out, and everybody was like, well,
Speaker 1: why such a response if it's just a drunk Well,
Speaker 1: because it's a drone because it is treated like an aircraft.
Speaker 1: And that's what happens whenever an aircraft crashes, even though
Speaker 1: it's something little. They don't know, like maybe it's a
Speaker 1: terrorist that has some sort of chemical warfare attached to it.
Speaker 1: Maybe the battery he's leaking, like who knows. You know
Speaker 1: how regulations are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, some of them are big too. Some of those
Speaker 4: drones are big, some of them are small.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another thing. I can go out right now
Speaker 1: and buy a drone that has a seven foot wingspan,
Speaker 1: like that's a normal thing to do. So it's not
Speaker 1: crazy to think that people are flying these giant drones
Speaker 1: that could be loaded with anything, because they can. They
Speaker 1: literally can. There was a guy that I was talking
Speaker 1: to for a while out on the West Coast that
Speaker 1: we were actually going to partner with on a project
Speaker 1: involving Bigfoot. And that's what this guy does is he
Speaker 1: builds custom drones for people, and he built drones for
Speaker 1: the United States government. He built drones for the police Department,
Speaker 1: like giant drones, like twelve feet wide drones, not like
Speaker 1: the little djis that you buy it Best Buy. So, like,
Speaker 1: these things do exist and people own them and they
Speaker 1: fly them around.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I like I said, tell chasing people running wild with it,
Speaker 1: And I know there's people listening to the show that
Speaker 1: are going to be like, well I saw on TikTok
Speaker 1: and it was an alien Like Okay, good for you, man.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm just telling you my opinion on this.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's a huge alien invasion that
Speaker 1: just for some reason is interested in New Jersey.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Jersey devil yep, Jersey Devil drone.
Speaker 1: So on social media, I asked around a few places
Speaker 1: for people to send in questions that they might like
Speaker 1: to hear asked on a question and answer session, and
Speaker 1: these are some of the ones I got.
Speaker 2: First.
Speaker 1: One is from Lauren, what is your most mind blowing
Speaker 1: bigfoot experience that you personally had, also that you have
Speaker 1: heard from someone else. The most mind blowing bigfoot experience
Speaker 1: that I've personally had is probably going to be the
Speaker 1: one where I didn't actually see a bigfoot. It's probably
Speaker 1: going to be the one where I believe that a
Speaker 1: bigfoot came in and checked the door handles on my
Speaker 1: vehicle and tried to get into it, which sounds crazy,
Speaker 1: but that's what happened camping. Woke up one of those
Speaker 1: startled awakes where you suddenly wake up and you don't
Speaker 1: know why you're awake. So I laid there listening, and
Speaker 1: I could hear something walking just outside the tent wall,
Speaker 1: very quietly. And then I heard something else walking in
Speaker 1: front of the tent. My vehicle has parked a few
Speaker 1: feet away from me. I can't see anything. It's the
Speaker 1: middle of the night. And I heard something whispering to
Speaker 1: something else. Couldn't tell what they were saying. Then I
Speaker 1: heard the distinct sound of the door handle, like the
Speaker 1: car handle snapping back down, like if you lift it
Speaker 1: up on the handle and it slipped out of your
Speaker 1: fingers and slammed back down from the spring. And at
Speaker 1: that point I thought, somebody is trying to break into
Speaker 1: the vehicles. They're still in our stuff. I had a
Speaker 1: firearm with me. I grabbed it, put my feet in
Speaker 1: my boots, grabbed my spotlight. Realized that the lanterns outside
Speaker 1: the tent had been turned off. We had three of
Speaker 1: them lit before we turned in, and all three of
Speaker 1: them were off. I wasn't sure what time it was,
Speaker 1: but typically those lanterns would have lasted around eight hours,
Speaker 1: and I knew it hadn't been eight hours, and so
Speaker 1: there was no way that all three of them had
Speaker 1: already ran out of fuel. So that kind of freaked
Speaker 1: me out. So I decided to try and wake up
Speaker 1: the other guys that were with me. One of them
Speaker 1: was like partially deaf in one ear and sound asleep,
Speaker 1: didn't even hear me. The other guy heard me, so
Speaker 1: he woke up and met me outside the tents. Because
Speaker 1: I I thought about it for a while, and I
Speaker 1: didn't want to just go busting out of the tent
Speaker 1: with the gun because in my mind, there's people out
Speaker 1: there and maybe they're armed, and I'm like, in a
Speaker 1: national park, I'm not even supposed to have a firearm.
Speaker 2: What am I going to do? Am I just going
Speaker 2: to start shooting at them?
Speaker 1: So I thought it was best just to yell at
Speaker 1: my buddy and let these people.
Speaker 2: Run off if that's what they wanted to do.
Speaker 1: The problem was never heard, anybody run off, didn't hear anything.
Speaker 1: Came out of the tent, shining the spotlight around nothing.
Speaker 1: There's nothing anywhere, no movement, no sound. The park's empty.
Speaker 1: Nothing in the vehicle is taken. The car doors were
Speaker 1: actually unlocked, and my wallet and stuff was like laying
Speaker 1: in the center console. There was like a walkie talking
Speaker 1: and another spotlight I think, laying on the seat. Nothing
Speaker 1: was taken, So yeah, that was kind of weird. Buddy
Speaker 1: called the park ranger to report, you know, that we
Speaker 1: had prowlers at our campsite, because I mean I heard
Speaker 1: the footsteps and I heard the voices, and I heard
Speaker 1: the door handle, so like, still, it's definitely somebody. It's
Speaker 1: not an animal. It's not a raccoon getting into the
Speaker 1: cooler or anything. And the other guy wakes up and
Speaker 1: he's like, did you check for tracks? Well, no, I
Speaker 1: didn't check for tracks. Why did I check for tracks?
Speaker 1: So I shined the spotlight over by the side of
Speaker 1: the tent where I first heard the footsteps, and you
Speaker 1: could clearly see barefoot five toes impressions in the pea
Speaker 1: gravel around the campsite next to the tent. The other
Speaker 1: one coming in front of the tent, tracked them as
Speaker 1: they left the campsite area. One of them actually stepped
Speaker 1: between the two tents that we had out there and
Speaker 1: this space. It's like I had a huge tint at
Speaker 1: the time, it was like eight by twelve feet, and
Speaker 1: then there was another little dome tent next to it,
Speaker 1: probably about the way that we had them set up.
Speaker 1: The tents were side by side, so there was maybe
Speaker 1: a ten inch gap between them, and something that wasn't
Speaker 1: wearing shoes and had a human shaped footprint stepped one
Speaker 1: step in between the tents, and then the next step
Speaker 1: was on the back side of the tent, so at
Speaker 1: least an eight foot stride in total. Wow, couldn't find anything.
Speaker 1: Man couldn't find anything. And all the lanterns still had
Speaker 1: fuel in them and had been turned off. The knobs
Speaker 1: had been turned to the off position.
Speaker 3: Bad. That's creepy right now, dude, Yeah, I got did
Speaker 3: you Did you smell anything?
Speaker 2: Nothing?
Speaker 3: Nothing?
Speaker 4: So when the last you heard of it, it was
Speaker 4: it was bestling with your door handle.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it was like, So I woke up and
Speaker 1: I knew that something must have woken me up, or
Speaker 1: at least that's what I thought, you know, And so
Speaker 1: like I laid there just like listening intently, and I
Speaker 1: heard the footsteps right next to my tent. Well, now
Speaker 1: keep in mind, we were expecting people from out of
Speaker 1: town to arrive in the middle of the night, and
Speaker 1: that's why we had the lanterns on so they could
Speaker 1: see where we were camped at and everything and have
Speaker 1: light to come in and set up their tent or whatever.
Speaker 1: So I thought it was them trying to be quiet
Speaker 1: at first, and then I heard the other one walking
Speaker 1: in front of the tent, and then I heard the whispering.
Speaker 1: So I just like kind of sat there and you know,
Speaker 1: because I couldn't tell who it was. And then I
Speaker 1: heard the car door handle and I was like, well, now,
Speaker 1: hold on a second. And that was right around the
Speaker 1: time that I noticed that the lanterns were off, and
Speaker 1: so my mind just started, you know, lanterns off, door handle, whispering,
Speaker 1: somebody's trying to steal our stuff. And so then it
Speaker 1: was like, you know, the process of like, okay, well
Speaker 1: what do you do about it? And uh, instead of
Speaker 1: going out guns blazing, I decided to I popped the
Speaker 1: spotlight on a couple of times, you know, just a
Speaker 1: flash it and like listen, nothing yelled for the other guy.
Speaker 1: And uh that's whenever we came out of the tents
Speaker 1: and everything.
Speaker 4: So the vehicles are in gravel, right yeah, yeah, okay, right,
Speaker 4: next to the vehicle.
Speaker 3: Is there grass.
Speaker 1: So the way that it is is there's like a
Speaker 1: paved asphalt road that kind of has like a branch
Speaker 1: of it that curves off and it's like a half
Speaker 1: circle drive. And then there's these boulders that like sit
Speaker 1: at the edge of the road, so you can't drive
Speaker 1: a vehicle into the campsite. And my vehicles parked on
Speaker 1: the sit side of those boulders right next to my tent.
Speaker 1: And then the entire campsite itself is that pea gravel,
Speaker 1: so there's no grass or anything. There's just like the
Speaker 1: pea gravel, a boulder and the asphalt road and woods.
Speaker 4: You know, I am so amazed at something because I
Speaker 4: hear so many stories from your from your end and
Speaker 4: then from other people how these these creatures are. They're
Speaker 4: heard walking around and then all of a sudden they're gone, yeah,
Speaker 4: without a sound, and and like stuff, you know, even
Speaker 4: like a like an armadillo or raccoon just walking through
Speaker 4: the woods that makes a loud a loud sound. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And for them to be this size and then walk away,
Speaker 4: even if it's a person, they're walking off in the woods.
Speaker 1: So there's like two of them and there was no
Speaker 1: running off sound. There is no like feet hitting the
Speaker 1: pavement running. There was no crashing through the woods, none
Speaker 1: of that. And whenever we tracked them, like it went
Speaker 1: between the tents and out the back, while the other
Speaker 1: one went the opposite direction and like kind of went
Speaker 1: with the road away from the tent. So they went
Speaker 1: in two different directions. And the one that went like,
Speaker 1: I mean, why didn't I hear it step between the
Speaker 1: tents and go into the woods behind the tent? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And like it we could see where it stepped between
Speaker 1: the tents, and then we could see where its other
Speaker 1: foot landed behind the tents, and then the next foot
Speaker 1: was in the trees gone, And I mean this is
Speaker 1: like on pea gravel, So like we could see the
Speaker 1: impression of the foot and you could count the toes
Speaker 1: and see the outline of the foot and everything, but
Speaker 1: there was like no way to cast this stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they weren't like exceptionally huge tracks. I think the
Speaker 1: largest one was probably around twelve or thirteen inches and
Speaker 1: the other one was like an inch or two smaller
Speaker 1: than that one. The other guy had already called the
Speaker 1: park rangers office before I saw the tracks on the ground.
Speaker 1: So the ranger showed up and we had to file
Speaker 1: a report and everything, and the three of us are
Speaker 1: like sitting in my tent waiting for the ranger to
Speaker 1: get there, and I'm telling them exactly what happened before
Speaker 1: they woke up, and we're talking about the tracks and everything,
Speaker 1: and I look at him, I said, I don't think
Speaker 1: we should tell the ranger about the tracks. And at
Speaker 1: that moment, the ranger turns on his flashlight. He's standing
Speaker 1: right there looking at us. He had walked in from
Speaker 1: the opening of the park, like where the campsite is,
Speaker 1: because it's like separate, separated into different like campground areas,
Speaker 1: and the road that leads into where we were at.
Speaker 1: He had parked at the entrance and walked in in
Speaker 1: the dark. And this guy, this park ranger, it was
Speaker 1: kind of weird because this park is known for bigfoot sightings,
Speaker 1: like tourists have bigfoot sidings there each year and stuff.
Speaker 1: And this guy got transferred from the Pacific Northwest as
Speaker 1: a park ranger to come work in a park in Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: and we just always thought that was kind of strange.
Speaker 1: And he was the guy that worked the graveyard shift
Speaker 1: by himself, in this park.
Speaker 4: I guess he wanted the element of surprise.
Speaker 2: I guess so.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we didn't hear him walk up, so it
Speaker 1: is possible that a person can walk up without making
Speaker 1: any noise. But yeah, so he was standing there. We
Speaker 1: told him what happened, and you know, he was like, well,
Speaker 1: there's nobody else in this park. I just walked in
Speaker 1: on the only road that comes in here. Didn't see anybody,
Speaker 1: didn't hear anybody. He's like, did you see any flashlights
Speaker 1: or anything?
Speaker 2: It was like nope.
Speaker 1: And he was like, well, they didn't pass me, So
Speaker 1: the only other way that they could come in is
Speaker 1: to walk seven miles through the woods. I was just like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what all of that is.
Speaker 1: One thing, But turning off the lanterns, man, what what
Speaker 1: is that? What is turning like? How is that even
Speaker 1: a thing? How is that even possible?
Speaker 4: That sounds like they're veterans, that's what. It sounds like.
Speaker 4: They've done it before, They've.
Speaker 5: Come across the lanterns before, and or one of them
Speaker 5: was like messing with them. You know, they were like
Speaker 5: they figured it out, and oh do that one to this.
Speaker 2: Oh I was out, dude. I was out after that happened.
Speaker 1: You know, this was in my prime, you know, my
Speaker 1: peak bigfoot field days, and at that point I was like, nope,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this.
Speaker 2: That does that's oh dude.
Speaker 1: I didn't go back into the woods. I left after
Speaker 1: that trip and went home and did not go back
Speaker 1: into the woods for a long time because I just
Speaker 1: I couldn't wrap my head around it. I mean, eventually
Speaker 1: we got to the part where we were like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: you know they do hang around this park. They see
Speaker 1: people can maybe they've just observed people turning those little
Speaker 1: knobs to turn off the lanterns, and they've seen it
Speaker 1: happen so many times that one of them figured out
Speaker 1: to do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, they
Speaker 3: watch a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Or there was two people that went barefoot and didn't
Speaker 1: use flashlights and hiked seven miles through the woods to
Speaker 1: snoop around our campsite and turn off our lanterns, and
Speaker 1: then ran off back into the woods in different directions
Speaker 1: without making any noise and without using flashlights.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's possible, possible.
Speaker 1: The story that stands out that I've heard from someone
Speaker 1: else is definitely well, Bob, you were the first guy
Speaker 1: I talked to about this, the old man at the
Speaker 1: hospital that told me he had shot one when he
Speaker 1: was a kid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you didn't get his name, and we always
Speaker 4: think about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't get any of his information.
Speaker 1: Forgot that I had a podcast where I talked to
Speaker 1: people about their bigfoot experiences. I mean, it just never
Speaker 1: even crossed my mind. It was a really like emotional
Speaker 1: moment for him and me. I mean, obviously for him
Speaker 1: he had tears well up in his eyes and everything.
Speaker 1: But it was just a random chance encounter where we
Speaker 1: were crossing paths in a hospital waiting room and I
Speaker 1: happened to be wearing a big foot shirt.
Speaker 4: That always gets me too, because that you you wearing
Speaker 4: that shirt prompted that exchange, that emotional exchange between you both,
Speaker 4: and I thought that was that was great.
Speaker 1: And I'm not a bigfoot shirt guy. Okay, I love bigfoot.
Speaker 1: I have a podcast, but I don't wear a lot
Speaker 1: of bigfoot shirts.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I that one. It's kind of a weird deal.
Speaker 1: You know, my wife's parents gave it to me. Her
Speaker 1: father passed away and that's whenever I started wearing the shirt,
Speaker 1: you know, I felt bad because I didn't wear it before.
Speaker 1: And it's just kind of like a connection, you know,
Speaker 1: like an emotional connection to him and everything, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wear it as a lucky shirt.
Speaker 1: And you know, that day I was going in for
Speaker 1: some tests and I wanted to wear my lucky shirt
Speaker 1: and that's why I had it on. What about you guys,
Speaker 1: what's your what's the biggest Bigfoot experience that stands on
Speaker 1: in your minds?
Speaker 4: I had to be one when we were together. Yeah right,
Speaker 4: I was gonna say big Sandy, Big Sandy. Yeah I was.
Speaker 4: We were out with Luke and Billy Simmons, Tim Clay
Speaker 4: and it was another paranormal group that was there. We
Speaker 4: were originally there to do paranormal because it was a
Speaker 4: Civil Wars cemetery and so there was a lot of
Speaker 4: history of getting EVPs and stuff like that and orbs there.
Speaker 4: So we accompanied this paranormal group there and there was
Speaker 4: also Bigfoot sightings in that area as well, and so
Speaker 4: as soon as they were done with their with their
Speaker 4: their paranormal session, we we did a couple of yells
Speaker 4: and we did a couple of tree docks and we
Speaker 4: got responses like immediately and it was like your first
Speaker 4: time out right, See, well it was my first time,
Speaker 4: I guess getting an actual callback. Yeah, and then other stuff,
Speaker 4: little stuff that you've always mentioned, and they were just
Speaker 4: coming in left and right, and it was it was
Speaker 4: a perfect storm because like we we had did a
Speaker 4: couple of tree docks, Matt, and then I did a
Speaker 4: yell because I'm I'm famous for my yell, and so
Speaker 4: I did a yell and within maybe two minutes, we
Speaker 4: got a yell like maybe at like three hundred yards
Speaker 4: to our right, and then we got another yell maybe
Speaker 4: to our left, and it was like there were they
Speaker 4: were coming to our area to see what what was
Speaker 4: going on.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 4: We were facing the woods and there was a road
Speaker 4: behind us, probably like I don't know, like thirty forty
Speaker 4: yards and there was no lights out there, There was
Speaker 4: no power lines, there was nothing. And to our left
Speaker 4: was a creek that a small creek tributary that went
Speaker 4: to the road and went under the road. It was
Speaker 4: like a little bitty bridge maybe like thirty yards down
Speaker 4: down the road. And as we were hearing these tree knocks,
Speaker 4: one of us, I think it was Billy Simmons had
Speaker 4: a light and he was flashed it towards the creek
Speaker 4: to our left, and then we had eye shine about
Speaker 4: eight feet off the ground and we all said eye
Speaker 4: shine and it was like it was like red red eyes,
Speaker 4: right yeah. And so as we noticed it, then we
Speaker 4: got pelted by rocks from across the street and you
Speaker 4: could hear it because it was hitting all these rocks
Speaker 4: were hitting these tree canopy leaves and it was going
Speaker 4: through the trees and you were hearing. And then we
Speaker 4: hit the round but thud and I we go. We
Speaker 4: got rocks behind us. As soon as we turned to
Speaker 4: like the behind us where the rocks were coming from,
Speaker 4: Matt the ice shines were gone. Yeah, they were gone.
Speaker 4: And then there was maybe within thirty seconds, it was
Speaker 4: a truck hauling hauling down the road and it was
Speaker 4: heading toward you can hear it.
Speaker 5: It's one of those old trucks that was the head
Speaker 5: that like you can hear it. And my first thought
Speaker 5: was like, man, this is gonna scare whatever we're getting,
Speaker 5: it's going to.
Speaker 3: Scare it away. Yeah, this sucks.
Speaker 5: This this is oh well, like it was, it was
Speaker 5: well lasted, and then it passed us, and then it happened.
Speaker 4: As soon as it got to that that part, Matt,
Speaker 4: where the with the where the creek met the road
Speaker 4: the road, it slammed on the brakes right before it
Speaker 4: hit the creek, and we all ran to the road
Speaker 4: to see because we couldn't see from that.
Speaker 3: We could just see like the tail lights.
Speaker 4: And then it backed up little bit and then hauled
Speaker 4: ass and then continue to hall Ass and then within
Speaker 4: maybe like four or five minutes, one of the constable
Speaker 4: or local sheriff was driving by and he stopped and
Speaker 4: asked us, Hey, what do y'all do?
Speaker 3: And you know, and we're like, hey, none of your business.
Speaker 4: So that was probably the because I told Steve and
Speaker 4: I said, Man, I go, it's like, Matt, it's taking
Speaker 4: me months, like in certain counties to get some kind
Speaker 4: of reaction, like some kind of like tree knocks or
Speaker 4: yells or eyeshine, it's taking me months to get it.
Speaker 4: And I took Steven out despite that second or third time,
Speaker 4: and he gets all three, all three at the same
Speaker 4: I go, Man, you better be lucky because we don't
Speaker 4: normally get that. Yeah, So I thought it was interesting,
Speaker 4: and uh, it's one of those one of those deals.
Speaker 5: And then after that, Uh, I guess you could say
Speaker 5: I was marked because we went to Concho. I guess
Speaker 5: after that, and then you did a yell there and
Speaker 5: then we got a callback yeah on that one called
Speaker 5: sweet A again. But the people that were with were
Speaker 5: very terrified and we had to leave. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I guarantee you if we stayed right there, we would
Speaker 3: have got more. Yes, yeah, we'd have got we'd have
Speaker 3: more stuff.
Speaker 4: And I guess you could kind of say, Matt, that
Speaker 4: Steven's my lucky charm whenever we got.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you something about that, because I just
Speaker 1: talked about this recently on here.
Speaker 2: Bigfoot calls used to not be a thing.
Speaker 1: Like people didn't think that it was possible to elicit
Speaker 1: a response from doing vocalizations and everything.
Speaker 2: Why were you doing calls?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Where did you learn about that?
Speaker 4: Uh? I think I got it from from Luke. Luke
Speaker 4: Gross he was he was really good at doing calls,
Speaker 4: and he you know, he kind of kind of thought
Speaker 4: that it almost I almost equate it to like paranormal
Speaker 4: stuff whenever you you kind of prompt a ghost or
Speaker 4: entity to to respond to you. And so he kind
Speaker 4: of he kind of felt like it was he kind
Speaker 4: of felt like the the bigfoot in I think Lamar County,
Speaker 4: in Delta County, Hopkins County, and Texas was they were
Speaker 4: very aggressive for some reason, and he felt by doing
Speaker 4: a call that it would it would invoke something to
Speaker 4: come check out what was in the area.
Speaker 3: So that's that's where I got it from.
Speaker 4: Because he said that these bigfoots in these areas were
Speaker 4: very very aggressive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he would rent of the cage. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, like I just remember, you know, call blasting. Uh,
Speaker 1: the BFRO was doing that specifically with the Ohio Howe recording,
Speaker 1: but people weren't really doing calls until later on. And
Speaker 1: now it's like become so normal, you know, It's like
Speaker 1: going out there and doing wood knocks now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that was just the normal thing to do. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I never really thought of like where where did we
Speaker 5: get this from? I just know that you got it
Speaker 5: from Luke because Luke started doing it. I think when
Speaker 5: we were there, Luke was the one that started the hell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you did your.
Speaker 5: The tree knock and you got like the I remember
Speaker 5: you picking up a big stick, yeah, and then you
Speaker 5: like you slammed it three times, and I think the
Speaker 5: third time it broke, Well, I had I had a
Speaker 5: baton with me too. I don't think you used a baton.
Speaker 5: I think he used a stick. And because I remember
Speaker 5: you breaking it, you're like, oh, and then Luke goes
Speaker 5: that nice one, Bob, So uh yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Think that's what the whole thing. I think you got
Speaker 3: it from Luke.
Speaker 1: I just really think that bigfoot calls originated, like doing
Speaker 1: calls out in the field like that. I think they
Speaker 1: originated here in the South.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't think I ever like in the early years whenever,
Speaker 4: because you and I got started with bigfoot almost at
Speaker 4: the exact same time, right, yeah, late late late nineties,
Speaker 4: early two thousands, and that at that time I was
Speaker 4: I was communicating with Eric Altman in the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society,
Speaker 4: and I was sharing what I was doing with them,
Speaker 4: and they were sharing what they were doing, and they
Speaker 4: never said anything about bigfoot calls or tree n OCKX
Speaker 4: or anything like that. They were talking about like I think, uh,
Speaker 4: like uh, wood wood they were finding like woodstacks of
Speaker 4: just like piles of wood or or just like some
Speaker 4: kind of picture graphs or something like that. So but
Speaker 4: I you know, I think you're right on that though.
Speaker 1: So Jeremiah asked. Jeremiah of Bigfoot Society Podcast wants to
Speaker 1: know what are the top three interviews you've done on
Speaker 1: your show that you hope to be remembered for. I
Speaker 1: hope I haven't done them yet.
Speaker 4: That's awesome. That's actually a good answer.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's like some that definitely stand out,
Speaker 1: you know, that I've enjoyed personally. Uh, there's some that
Speaker 1: I've done that I feel are really that I hope
Speaker 1: people got everything out of it that they could on
Speaker 1: both sides for the guest and the listener. But yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I'm not done, you know. I hope my best is
Speaker 1: yet to come. So that's kind of what I'm going
Speaker 1: with on that.
Speaker 3: Can I can I say which ones I like the most? Sure?
Speaker 4: The ones that stand out to me. This is a
Speaker 4: recent one that you did of the gentleman that was
Speaker 4: he was military and he was taking he was taking
Speaker 4: his buddy out. This was in the Pacific Northwest and
Speaker 4: he got shadowed out by by two Bigfoot, know three
Speaker 4: three Bigfoot and so to me and he was going
Speaker 4: over some of the some of the things he's done,
Speaker 4: some of the you know, he's he's done some deeds,
Speaker 4: and you know, he's been in some pretty rough spatch
Speaker 4: you know, patches and places in the world, and so
Speaker 4: he's seen lots of stuff and this thing really really
Speaker 4: scared him. And for him to be this scared and
Speaker 4: to get shadowed out up an area and him not
Speaker 4: want to go back out to go hunting again, man,
Speaker 4: that really really set it's it's you know, it's stuck.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's stuck with me pretty good.
Speaker 1: So something else about him in particular is that, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes we'll vet guests that come on our shows, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll have a phone call with them and talk to
Speaker 1: them and everything. He vetted me, he wanted to tell
Speaker 1: it to me and see who I was and fill
Speaker 1: me out before he came on the show to talk
Speaker 1: about it, because he didn't want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: He was actually a guest on the Sailor Sasquatch YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: They they found him and his wife, yeah, and they
Speaker 1: kind of set up the introduction between us or whatever.
Speaker 1: And that's the only reason he did the show was
Speaker 1: just because he had met them and knew that they
Speaker 1: were good people and they were vouching for me and everything.
Speaker 1: And that's the only and he had even talked to me,
Speaker 1: and yeah, he he doesn't want to really be put
Speaker 1: out there or anything. You know, he's not interested in
Speaker 1: any sort of notoriety or fame or anything with his story.
Speaker 1: And another thing that stood out about that particular part
Speaker 1: of it, if you were to talk to me long
Speaker 1: enough about bigfoot research and things that I believe I
Speaker 1: know about these things, I would talk about how I
Speaker 1: think that they oftentime travel in threes and will use
Speaker 1: triangulation in hunting and with people. And he brought that
Speaker 1: up and that's not like something that's just you're not
Speaker 1: going to get that from watching Expedition Bigfoot, you know.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, and you could you could actually hear you know,
Speaker 4: his tone whenever he was talking about it. There's certain
Speaker 4: parts of his story that he would stop, you know,
Speaker 4: and and pause, and you can that's that's whenever whenever
Speaker 4: you talk to someone who actually seen a bigfoot, that's
Speaker 4: when you can tell, Okay, this is real. This guy
Speaker 4: didn't make it up. You know he doesn't. There's no
Speaker 4: there's no gain to it. And you know he tells
Speaker 4: the story because you know, you were a good source.
Speaker 3: And I think he's not telling that story again, right.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I mean he said he wasn't going to, but I
Speaker 1: mean he can obviously change his mind in the future.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I felt very honored and privileged for him
Speaker 1: to come on the show and share a story with me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a good one.
Speaker 4: One of the other ones that that that always it's
Speaker 4: the last seed memory, was the one in Mexico.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one, that one.
Speaker 4: I think I listened to that one like three or
Speaker 4: four times, and just her story in Mexico.
Speaker 3: So so Steve and I were just intrigued with that one.
Speaker 2: Why is that.
Speaker 4: Just because you know, you you hear more in Mexico
Speaker 4: about bigfoots, but you never I've never heard of a story. Yeah,
Speaker 4: to hear that story, to have some kind of you know,
Speaker 4: you know, validation for it. It just to me, this
Speaker 4: is what has been waiting for for a story like
Speaker 4: in Mexico.
Speaker 1: To me, it's just crazy because like, okay, so two
Speaker 1: girls going on vacation in Mexico, you know, just being free,
Speaker 1: living life. You don't expect to come home with a
Speaker 1: bigfoot story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little alone from Mexico.
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, that was crazy I had never
Speaker 1: talked to anybody with a bigfoot sighting in Mexico.
Speaker 3: Yeah, same here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't think, like, forested land is not something
Speaker 1: that comes to mind whenever I think of Mexico. I know,
Speaker 1: they definitely, especially in some of the coastal regions, have
Speaker 1: like jungle and stuff like that, but it wasn't anything.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just never thought about it.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 1: I never even connected bigfoot to Mexico. And so whenever
Speaker 1: she told me, I was like what. And she wanted
Speaker 1: to be pretty private about the location, but she told
Speaker 1: me the location off air and everything, and you know,
Speaker 1: I google earthed it and it's just like, wow, this
Speaker 1: looks like you know, any place in like.
Speaker 2: The Pacific Northwest. It was crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not quite the same elevation, but just like the terrain.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no people, it's just all forest land.
Speaker 4: Do you think and I'm just asking a question here,
Speaker 4: do you think this Bigfoot was on vacation?
Speaker 1: I mean maybe so, you know, maybe he was down
Speaker 1: there sipping some margeritas, having some authentic coco.
Speaker 3: Sorry, this is the same signing where they were jamming.
Speaker 3: That's in you right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so maybe the big wasn't treated by the music.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it could have been a combination of things.
Speaker 1: So it was just like another classic roadside siding. You know,
Speaker 1: if you do this long enough, bigfoot are typically seen
Speaker 1: whenever you have a roadside signing like that or a
Speaker 1: road crossing, it's usually at.
Speaker 2: A curve in the road or where the road.
Speaker 1: Like goes down between two hills or something where it
Speaker 1: seems like possibly their senses are obscured for a minute.
Speaker 1: And this was that exact scenario. I mean they were
Speaker 1: coming around like this sharp curve and this thing was
Speaker 1: just standing there, yeah, doing the same thing. I've talked
Speaker 1: to witnesses in the Pacific Northwest on the show that
Speaker 1: like had the same exact siding in an entirely different location,
Speaker 1: but the same behavior everything.
Speaker 4: I've interviewed somebody from Australia that had that same that
Speaker 4: same stuff with Yawiy's so, but this this bigfoot took a.
Speaker 3: Swing at the car. Yep.
Speaker 2: So that's crazy.
Speaker 3: That was that was interesting.
Speaker 4: The third one I want to say that it's just
Speaker 4: it's stuck in my mind. It was the one I
Speaker 4: can't you know, forgive me if I don't remember the
Speaker 4: number or the person's name, but it was the one
Speaker 4: about the lady that saw a bigfoot, a younger bigfoot
Speaker 4: in the creek bed. It was like a broken limb,
Speaker 4: broken leg, or it had a compound fracture. It was
Speaker 4: bleeding or something something. And uh, because I've never heard
Speaker 4: of a story of her bigfoot, her bigfoot.
Speaker 2: That's not it, Go ahead say it, just as.
Speaker 4: The one where where the bigfoot jumped over the lady
Speaker 4: and we called.
Speaker 3: It a tea bag.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, she definitely knew it was a mal.
Speaker 3: I was building up to it.
Speaker 5: Math Yeah, He's like, no, that's not it.
Speaker 3: And he's gone, okay, sorry, But that.
Speaker 1: Was another another classic bigfoot thing we hear. You have
Speaker 1: to look at the psychological and social aspects to the
Speaker 1: stories whenever it comes to the witnesses. And at the time,
Speaker 1: she had like a toddler and her husband was like
Speaker 1: going to work and they were living out of like
Speaker 1: a small RV. They were trying to make ends meet,
Speaker 1: and she was in a situation that was very high
Speaker 1: stress and high emotion whenever that took place, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to go into details or anything, but there
Speaker 1: were some aspects to that story which ring true. With
Speaker 1: other stories that we've heard over the years where bigfoot
Speaker 1: sightings happen in situations where there's a person who is
Speaker 1: in a vulnerable emotional state and upset at the time.
Speaker 2: Kind of odd, kind of odd.
Speaker 1: Jeremiah also asked, and I appreciate Jeremiah for asking this,
Speaker 1: have you ever heard the mushroom Hunter bigfoot sound? It
Speaker 1: sure is a haunting piece of audio. What are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on its origins? Well, I'm so glad you asked. So,
Speaker 1: there's this piece of video out there called the mushroom
Speaker 1: Hunter video where this guy is out hunting mushrooms in
Speaker 1: the woods and he hears.
Speaker 3: This horrible scream, roar.
Speaker 1: Howl sound, and I mean it's terrifying. And this piece
Speaker 1: of video went viral. It's been featured on a couple
Speaker 1: different television shows. It's racked up millions of views on
Speaker 1: the Internet. And it is a hoax. And the reason
Speaker 1: I know that it's a hoax is because I created
Speaker 1: the audio on my computer myself. I don't mean I
Speaker 1: duplicated it. I mean I created that audio back in
Speaker 1: the early two thousands because I wanted something to be
Speaker 1: able to put on the Internet for whenever people said
Speaker 1: that they heard Bigfoot. I was like, okay, well compare
Speaker 1: it to this, because this is something that I had
Speaker 1: heard something similar to this and wasn't able to record
Speaker 1: it at the time down in Texas, so I tried
Speaker 1: to recreate it at home, and then I put it
Speaker 1: on the Internet for other people to hear. Stan Courtney
Speaker 1: posted on his website and apparently at some point in
Speaker 1: time someone on the internet grabbed it and since then
Speaker 1: it gets used for nefarious purposes over and over and over,
Speaker 1: several times a year. I feel like I'm running around
Speaker 1: doing damage control about this piece of audio. It pops
Speaker 1: up all the time. There's even a person who made
Speaker 1: a YouTube video completely unrelated to Bigfoot. It's like the
Speaker 1: whole claymation style, like the old sindbad movies, you know,
Speaker 1: like the claymation monsters. It's two dinosaurs fighting, you know,
Speaker 1: some old piece of film footage that was like made
Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties, and they put that sound on
Speaker 1: there as the audio for the dinosaurs fighting. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: doesn't even make sense. I mean, it's just like, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't really care about that, But just this past
Speaker 1: month I saw it pop up on a TikTok video
Speaker 1: where somebody was using it on their TikTok video saying
Speaker 1: that it was something that they had recorded. There's a
Speaker 1: video of a bunch of little dogs I believe they're
Speaker 1: Frenchies or something, or pugs or something that go running
Speaker 1: towards the woods because they hear this crazy roard. That's
Speaker 1: the sound like that video. Like it's gone viral too.
Speaker 1: It gets used all the time.
Speaker 4: So I can actually say you who make you famous? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I never got viral off of that. I never went
Speaker 1: viral from making that sound. I think right now there's
Speaker 1: a clip of it actually on like History Channel's official
Speaker 1: YouTube page.
Speaker 3: Wow, they need to pay you, dude.
Speaker 2: Yep, they're not gonna do that.
Speaker 1: Jody Foster Chisholm, she was a guest on the show,
Speaker 1: really enjoyed talking to her. She wants to know the
Speaker 1: most common area slash place in Oklahoma for Bigfoot sightings
Speaker 1: in the year twenty twenty four. Well, now that gets tricky,
Speaker 1: doesn't it.
Speaker 3: Which area? There's a lot of area?
Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty twenty four, there is definitely some activity around
Speaker 1: the Fort Gibson Lake area.
Speaker 2: I believe I was not.
Speaker 1: Involved in any of those investigations obviously, but I did
Speaker 1: hear a few things.
Speaker 2: Obviously.
Speaker 1: You have southeastern Oklahoma, you know, the typical area. It's
Speaker 1: always high in bigfoot activity every year, let alone twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, and there's still bigfoot stuff going around. And
Speaker 1: you know, kind of the south central area of Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: out past Oklahoma City and everything. It stays pretty constant
Speaker 1: out in that area as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear.
Speaker 1: Things all the time, the lot in area, yep, lots
Speaker 1: of stuff around Mount Scott. There's some projects in the
Speaker 1: work that I can't discuss because they don't involve me
Speaker 1: or anything, so I don't want to, you know, do
Speaker 1: any of that. But yeah, there's there's stuff coming out
Speaker 1: in the future about Oklahoma that might enlighten a lot
Speaker 1: of people on some of the activity going on here.
Speaker 4: People don't know that there's a lot of activity in
Speaker 4: that state, and I would I would put your state
Speaker 4: up against any other state because there's probably a lot
Speaker 4: of them that don't get reported because there's so much
Speaker 4: activity at activity in that whole state.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's stuff going on. A guy that's supposed
Speaker 1: to come on and do a show with me in
Speaker 1: the near future told me some stories that are going
Speaker 1: to be a major deal. Yeah, I've already I've already
Speaker 1: asked him if I can, you know, pass his information
Speaker 1: along to some researchers. I know, yeah, so again, hopefully
Speaker 1: I'll be able to get him on here, he said,
Speaker 1: he wud come on. I've talked to him on the phone,
Speaker 1: you know, I know what he's experienced and everything, and
Speaker 1: I'm definitely excited about.
Speaker 2: Having him on.
Speaker 1: It's some crazy stuff and it's an area that I
Speaker 1: know very well. I know some other people that know
Speaker 1: this area very well. If this kind of stuff's going
Speaker 1: on there, man, oh man, how's that exciting? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: subscribe and follow the podcast to hear about it. James Barker,
Speaker 1: here's a fun one. Hypothetically you stumble on a Sasquatch
Speaker 1: body miles in the woods, freshly dead. What is your plan,
Speaker 1: Steven go.
Speaker 5: First of all, I would because if I'm coming across
Speaker 5: a dead body, bigfoot body, especially a bigfoot body, I would.
Speaker 3: Check the area to see if there's any other bigfoot
Speaker 3: watching me.
Speaker 5: They're probably going to be Yeah, and I'm gonna say
Speaker 5: it out loud, like, hey, I didn't do it.
Speaker 3: Wasn't that me?
Speaker 5: I came, I came across this, and then I would
Speaker 5: call Bigfoot Club and Bigfoot cross Roads and be like, hey, man,
Speaker 5: I asked someone, Well, first of all, anywhere, if I'm
Speaker 5: gonna be out in the woods, Robert's gonna be with me. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, that's just how it is. If I'm by
Speaker 5: myself in the woods, something's wrong. Yeah, Uh so Robert's
Speaker 5: gonna be with me. So we're probably gonna call you, Matt,
Speaker 5: first of all. And then also we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 5: take video too, yeah, of the area, pictures, all that stuff,
Speaker 5: and uh yeah at this point, like you don't, don't,
Speaker 5: I don't even I'm afraid to call the authorities on.
Speaker 3: That, yuse Uh I think we would, we would just
Speaker 3: call you, Matt. What would you do?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the best course of action is
Speaker 1: to uh take as much video as possible.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Obviously safety as a concern. We're assuming that in this
Speaker 1: situation you're not surrounded by other Bigfoot trying to retrieve
Speaker 1: the body and haul it off or get you away
Speaker 1: from it. So in that scenario, take as much video
Speaker 1: as possible. And then if you have any sort of
Speaker 1: device that can cut. I'm taking fingers with me toes
Speaker 1: whatever I can get. I'm not going to try to
Speaker 1: haul out an entire body, and I'm not going to
Speaker 1: try to chance that the body will still be there
Speaker 1: the next time anybody comes back. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: be cutting off something that I can take back with me,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to video me cutting it off. I'm
Speaker 1: going to be videoing the entire time. After I'm done
Speaker 1: with the video, and after I've done all that, I'm
Speaker 1: on the phone. I'm calling people that I trust and
Speaker 1: telling them what I just found, where I found it at,
Speaker 1: and everything else. And then I'm uploading all that stuff
Speaker 1: onto the Internet as quickly as possible, and once it's
Speaker 1: in cyberspace, it should be spread around fast enough that
Speaker 1: they can't make it disappear.
Speaker 5: I feel like you would take a finger and be like, well,
Speaker 5: that's that's probably from something else, and they would try
Speaker 5: to like discredit it.
Speaker 3: Oh, no, there's a video of me cutting the finger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's video. There's you know, it's on the internet.
Speaker 1: It's on YouTube. Everybody's got a copy of it. Nobody
Speaker 1: says you have to deal with the United States. We
Speaker 1: have the internet now, so you can like reach out
Speaker 1: to whoever you want to, like, think about people that
Speaker 1: want to cash in on it, that have a lot
Speaker 1: of money, that's who you want to call.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think if it were me, like
Speaker 4: the old Robert, would probably do the same thing you
Speaker 4: guys are doing. You know, take pick, take video, take
Speaker 4: take a body part, take something. I would call like
Speaker 4: a school or a university and say, hey, this is
Speaker 4: what I have. Come cash in on this, and you know,
Speaker 4: just put my name on it. I don't care. Just
Speaker 4: put my name on it, because just just having your
Speaker 4: name attached to it, you're you're going to be like
Speaker 4: can ikon after that. But the Robert, now, if I
Speaker 4: just if i'd I find a dead body, now, I'd
Speaker 4: believe I wouldn't even because if there's a dead body,
Speaker 4: there's probably gonna be more, you know, more other bigfoot
Speaker 4: in the area. So I'm I'm high telling on it.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do the same thing you're doing. I will say, hey,
Speaker 4: I had nothing to do with it. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 5: Because I feel like they understand, they understand, and you
Speaker 5: Matt like and they see you cutting, they're gonna be like,
Speaker 5: oh no, absolutely not so that's just me though, I
Speaker 5: don't know.
Speaker 3: You know, old Robert would have done that.
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, in a hypothetical situation where you're not
Speaker 1: surrounded by Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, he did say that. Okay, all right,
Speaker 3: Well then hypothetically you're you're your It makes you think
Speaker 3: it's a good question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'll just say this I have in
Speaker 1: the past. I no longer feel this way. I let
Speaker 1: me add this disclaimer before I go forward. I no
Speaker 1: longer feel this way. I would no longer be involved
Speaker 1: in any of this. But at one point in time,
Speaker 1: maybe a couple points in time, I was part of
Speaker 1: groups of people that were actually working out this real
Speaker 1: life scenario, this actual plan of what we were going
Speaker 1: to do in the event that we were able to
Speaker 1: get a body. I know that people, you know, I
Speaker 1: talk about it on this show. I know you guys
Speaker 1: talk about it the cover up. You know big brother
Speaker 1: is watching. Can you even get away with something like that?
Speaker 1: And I will tell you that there are ways to
Speaker 1: get around that. There are absolutely if a body was
Speaker 1: to ever turn up in the right situation with the
Speaker 1: right people, they would get it out and word would
Speaker 1: get out to the world. It would not be covered up. Joey,
Speaker 1: another guy that was a guest on the show, wants
Speaker 1: to know can bigfoot swim?
Speaker 4: Yes, I was gonna say, I personally have not got
Speaker 4: the story of the bigfoot swimming, but I've read it
Speaker 4: in John Benner Nichols North American Grade eight The Sasquats,
Speaker 4: released in nineteen ninety eight. There's many stories of bigfoot
Speaker 4: swimming from Vancouver. I'm into the mainland, so I'll just
Speaker 4: say that I would.
Speaker 5: Say it comes natural to them. I would think it's
Speaker 5: like it's like dogs, you know, I just know. I
Speaker 5: think I that's my opinion on it. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 5: I could be wrong about that and there could be bigfoot.
Speaker 3: So they were like, no, I don't swim.
Speaker 1: I think it's like a situation where I don't know
Speaker 1: if they would like to swim, but I definitely think
Speaker 1: that they do swim.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: There is one area where the only way I could
Speaker 1: figure out how they got there was they had to
Speaker 1: cross the cove of a lake one way or another.
Speaker 1: Now I don't know the deepest part of that cove
Speaker 1: in particular. You know, possibly they waded across and never
Speaker 1: had to actually swim, but they definitely had to cross
Speaker 1: a large area of water to get from one area
Speaker 1: to the area where we were at. There was also
Speaker 1: a guest on this show early on The Hamilton Sisters
Speaker 1: where she saw a bigfoot come up while she was
Speaker 1: fishing out of a river, like poke its head up
Speaker 1: out of the water and scared her today Scar Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then there's you know, I've heard other stories of
Speaker 1: like a guy fishing on a bridge and seeing a
Speaker 1: bigfoot swim underneath the bridge, right underneath him as he's
Speaker 1: like looking down in the water. So yeah, I would
Speaker 1: say they definitely can swim. And you know, like you're saying,
Speaker 1: there's there's quite a number of stories out there of
Speaker 1: them swimming. And like you're saying, Vancouver Island and other
Speaker 1: islands have bigfoot on them or you know, bigfoot sightings
Speaker 1: on them. They have to get to the island somehow.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: But the idea of like a bigfoot swimming beneath the surface,
Speaker 1: like that's terrifying. I don't know what it is, just
Speaker 1: really bothers me.
Speaker 5: Yep, because you can be swimming and then you know, yeah,
Speaker 5: and you come across one swimming at you or what
Speaker 5: because you you.
Speaker 4: Know, if you're researching in a lake area, you know,
Speaker 4: you're I would think your back is to the lake.
Speaker 4: You know, if you if you're doing bigfoot research close
Speaker 4: to a lake, if you're not't even thinking about the
Speaker 4: lakes of them, they can come upon you on the lake.
Speaker 3: That's scary. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uncle Burr, Uncle Burr. So Uncle Burr is not an
Speaker 1: internet name. Uncle Burr is the nickname of my uncle.
Speaker 1: He actually supports me and follows the podcast and had
Speaker 1: a question, how long do they live?
Speaker 3: Good question?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very good question. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people would like to know the answer to that.
Speaker 1: And if we had the answer to that, then a
Speaker 1: lot of these questions would already be answered. Just going
Speaker 1: by humans and larger apes like gorillas and stuff. I
Speaker 1: would guess that in the wild these things could possibly
Speaker 1: live fifty to sixty years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would think so, because they're eating very well,
Speaker 4: they're very eating, very healthy, and their body mass is
Speaker 4: probably you know, next level. Yeah, right, so they're probably
Speaker 4: living a long live.
Speaker 1: I think I think gorillas live fortys. I could be wrong,
Speaker 1: but I think that's close to rye. And then I
Speaker 1: try to take into consideration, like you know, humans in
Speaker 1: earlier generations that didn't have access to all the medical
Speaker 1: stuff that we've got now, like kind of what their
Speaker 1: potential life spans were. But then there's also things that
Speaker 1: you have to consider. We don't have any idea what
Speaker 1: kind of diseases bigfoot has, but I would guess that
Speaker 1: they don't have a lot compared to us because of
Speaker 1: just population sizes and things like that, and nature tends
Speaker 1: to like weed out that sort of thing, So I
Speaker 1: don't think they would have a lot of need for
Speaker 1: medical stuff like humans have. I think they're pretty robust
Speaker 1: and can survive pretty easily. So just going on the
Speaker 1: idea of like old age, yeah, I would say fifty
Speaker 1: to sixty years is a pretty decent guess at this point,
Speaker 1: assuming that we're talking about a flesh and blood biological creature,
Speaker 1: and if we're not, all bets are off out the door,
Speaker 1: out the dough Chelsea good friend. Chelsea says, do you
Speaker 1: think that bigfoot species are protected now without being declared
Speaker 1: by science government as a real life animal or would
Speaker 1: could they be better protected when known with laws set
Speaker 1: in place? What Chelsea is asking, I think, do they
Speaker 1: need our protection? And my opinion, no, they do not.
Speaker 1: I don't think they need to have laws or anything
Speaker 1: in place to protect these creatures because right now, nobody's
Speaker 1: even proven that they exist, So why would they need
Speaker 1: any protection from us?
Speaker 3: Bingo.
Speaker 4: I agree with your sentiment because they've been around a
Speaker 4: long time, probably a lot longer than we have than
Speaker 4: they haven't had any protections.
Speaker 1: Said, so, I do think that if they were proven
Speaker 1: to exist, that's when they would need the protection.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know the way I the way
Speaker 4: I see it, If you if you prove like say,
Speaker 4: for example, you prove it in Oklahoma, then you're gonna
Speaker 4: you're gonna need to know how how far they move,
Speaker 4: and then what area what areas are going to be protected.
Speaker 4: And once that happens, then you got to stop all
Speaker 4: like uh, you know, growth of industrial complexes and people's
Speaker 4: houses and you can't cut trees down. And so each
Speaker 4: state is probably going to have to do this like separately.
Speaker 3: Not, it wouldn't be like a national thing. You don't
Speaker 3: think it.
Speaker 1: Would be locked up in litigation for so long because
Speaker 1: what happens whenever you have like a bigfoot family living
Speaker 1: on somebody's private property. Yeah, and then the federal government
Speaker 1: comes in and says, Okay, well, you can't farm on
Speaker 1: your property anymore because bigfoot live here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then they get up and move and go
Speaker 4: to Oklahoma. Yeah, and leave Texas and go to Oklahoma
Speaker 4: and the laws change there, and so yeah, I agree
Speaker 4: with you on that one. That's gonna I think it's
Speaker 4: just better. I'll just leave them alone and leave them alone.
Speaker 1: But where's the fun in that? Yeah? Less rites in.
Speaker 1: Have you heard any reasonable theories on why these things
Speaker 1: will sometimes sway back and forth when standing in front
Speaker 1: of a witness. I'd love to hear the Native American
Speaker 1: perspective on this behavior. Well, unfortunately I cannot give you
Speaker 1: the Native American perspective on that behavior. But I can
Speaker 1: tell you that not saying that Bigfoot is related, but
Speaker 1: known primates such as chimpanzees and gorillas and orangutans will
Speaker 1: do the same exact thing. Typically when they're nervous or excited.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a nervous tick. They start kind
Speaker 1: of shifting their weight side to side and swam back
Speaker 1: and forth freaking out. So it's kind of like a
Speaker 1: fear response. So if Bigfoot is a primate, the best
Speaker 1: guess would be that that's why they're doing it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've had several stories of this happening. What do
Speaker 4: you think about the theory of the weight displacement on.
Speaker 1: That them just like counterbalancing their weight while they're standing
Speaker 1: on two legs. Yep, yeah, I mean that's definitely a
Speaker 1: possibility as well. People, you know, Bigfoot has always been
Speaker 1: believed to be a bipedal creature, which it very well
Speaker 1: could be. You know, we've got the parison film. If
Speaker 1: you believe Patty is a real Bigfoot, you clearly see
Speaker 1: her walking away on two legs. But a lot of
Speaker 1: animals stand up on two legs whenever they get frightened
Speaker 1: or they're trying to intimidate somebody. They try to appear
Speaker 1: as large as they are, but normally they're on four legs.
Speaker 1: And again, something that wasn't ever really a thing whenever
Speaker 1: I started this journey, but was kind of already established
Speaker 1: in the South and eventually caught on everywhere else, is
Speaker 1: the idea of Bigfoot being on all fours and using
Speaker 1: all fours for a lot of travel. I mean, it
Speaker 1: would make sense for a larger creature like that to
Speaker 1: be on all fours. So maybe even though we see
Speaker 1: them on two legs, and even though they're comfortable on
Speaker 1: two legs, maybe that's not their preferred choice. Maybe they're
Speaker 1: actually a quadrupedal thing, and so if they're standing up
Speaker 1: on two legs, maybe they have to shift that weight around.
Speaker 1: So maybe that's why they're walking back and forth like
Speaker 1: you're saying. Another thing that I've thought about is owls
Speaker 1: will move their heads around to use their eyesight and
Speaker 1: judge like distances and things like that, and kind of
Speaker 1: it has something to do with their nocturnal eyesight. And
Speaker 1: I've sometimes wondered if maybe big but are doing it
Speaker 1: for that reason. Maybe it aids them in their eyesight
Speaker 1: determining like how far away we are whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I've heard I've heard stories of them like
Speaker 4: their eyes sunken into their skull.
Speaker 3: Have you heard that.
Speaker 1: Well, the one I saw had a very pronounced browridge
Speaker 1: and very deep set eyes. I always thought that maybe
Speaker 1: that was an adaptation because of their nocturnal eyesight. If
Speaker 1: you wanted to be diurnal and be able to see
Speaker 1: during the day, it would help if you know, those
Speaker 1: eyes were set back and kind of shadowed and not
Speaker 1: just like out exposed to the light. But I don't
Speaker 1: know Supernatural Station podcast rights, Matt, what's the one bigfoot
Speaker 1: story that was told to you that tends to stand
Speaker 1: out more than the rest whenever you recall the stories
Speaker 1: you have heard over.
Speaker 2: The years, And uh, not.
Speaker 1: To cheapen the question, but I'm going to have to
Speaker 1: refer back to the old man at the hospital. That
Speaker 1: one just really hit hard with me, just really hit hard.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you mean, you hear a lot of stories about
Speaker 4: big was getting shot or hit by a train or
Speaker 4: eighteen wheeler, but very rarely do you run into someone
Speaker 4: that actually shot a bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, and again, it wasn't like a guy trying
Speaker 1: to get on the podcast. He didn't know me, there
Speaker 1: was no reason for you know, this wasn't like a
Speaker 1: story that you make up on the spot. He had
Speaker 1: tears in his eyes, and yeah, it just I mean,
Speaker 1: it was that in person aspect of it. You know,
Speaker 1: that probably made it stand out so profoundly to me
Speaker 1: and just caught me off guard. But it was also
Speaker 1: a great story.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that one's probably the one that stands out
Speaker 1: the most. But you know, there's lots of stories over
Speaker 1: the years that have kind of stood out, but that
Speaker 1: one is definitely up there.
Speaker 4: I forgot on that story. Try to like refresh my memory.
Speaker 4: Was that that in Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just on the other side of Sand
Speaker 1: Springs And whenever I say the other side the west
Speaker 1: side of Sand Springs for people that aren't from here
Speaker 1: and know where I live, Yeah, yeah, it was in
Speaker 1: a small community on the other side out in the Boonies.
Speaker 3: That's a heavily wooded area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, an area that I have spent some time in
Speaker 1: that's pretty pretty rugged even now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because when I was living in Tulsa, I was
Speaker 4: working for, you know, a company, and we would travel
Speaker 4: out to Sand Springs and the other side of Sand
Speaker 4: Springs and it was like we would drive for hours
Speaker 4: just to.
Speaker 3: Make it to a house. And it's pretty wide open
Speaker 3: in that area.
Speaker 1: So there used to be this couple named Martha and CJ.
Speaker 1: From here in Oklahoma and a Native American couple that
Speaker 1: we knew, and they had all kinds of stories.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I mean, there is stuff going on all the time
Speaker 1: where they live, and there's still stuff that goes on
Speaker 1: there in that community on a pretty regular basis. But
Speaker 1: these people had activity going on their place all the time,
Speaker 1: and Martha had had activity in her life since she
Speaker 1: was a little girl. And one of the stories that
Speaker 1: she had from whenever she was younger was actually leading
Speaker 1: a bigfoot into their house like holding onto its two fingers.
Speaker 1: She's a little girl, mind you, and she's like walking
Speaker 1: with this thing through her front door, and like she
Speaker 1: opens the front door and walks in, and this bigfoot
Speaker 1: comes in behind her and kind of like ducks its
Speaker 1: head underneath the door, and all the men jump up,
Speaker 1: you know, and they're like trying to get it out
Speaker 1: of the house and shoot it out of the house,
Speaker 1: and it just looks at me and goes and turns
Speaker 1: around and ducks back onto the door and walks off.
Speaker 3: That Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: That one always stood out, Timmy.
Speaker 1: Of course, that sounds like a crazy story to a
Speaker 1: lot of people, but I'm telling you, these are the
Speaker 1: type of stories that I quote unquote grew up with
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma in my Bigfoot journey, Like I heard these
Speaker 1: kind of stories all the time, and then would actually
Speaker 1: go to the places and meet the people and get
Speaker 1: to know them and become friends with them. At the
Speaker 1: end of the day, you're just left with not knowing
Speaker 1: what to think, and there's still people in this area
Speaker 1: that have experiences like these and tell these stories.
Speaker 2: What are you left with? Man?
Speaker 1: There was a situation Randy. I've talked about him on
Speaker 1: the show before. Bigfoot would come to his mom's house
Speaker 1: all the time, and they would just go out into
Speaker 1: the backyard with their lawn chairs and kind of set
Speaker 1: them up and sit back there and talk and wait
Speaker 1: for the Bigfoot to kind of come up and you know,
Speaker 1: check them out and everything and look at the Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: It was like a form of entertainment for them in
Speaker 1: the evenings and time. His mom's got this little shed
Speaker 1: on her property, this you know, kind of a storage barn,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's got the sheet metal walls and everything.
Speaker 1: And something got into the shed and stole like a
Speaker 1: bag of feet of some kind if I remember right.
Speaker 1: And I saw the pictures of the shed. This thing
Speaker 1: didn't go through the door or the window. It ripped
Speaker 1: a hole in the side of the shed and you
Speaker 1: could see like where something literally put a hole in
Speaker 1: sheet metal, and like it just looked like something with
Speaker 1: hands just grabbed it and ripped it open, and it
Speaker 1: had reached in there and felt around and grabbed the
Speaker 1: bag of feed and pulled it out through the hole
Speaker 1: and took off with it. And I mean I saw
Speaker 1: the shed you know, later on in person. So it's like,
Speaker 1: how do you not believe those stories?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why would they make up something like that? What can
Speaker 1: tear through the side of a sheet metal shed?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: What do you do?
Speaker 2: What do you do at the laughter is you know,
Speaker 2: that's something that gets reported every now and then, people
Speaker 2: hearing laughter like that out in the woods, Like.
Speaker 3: Is it a form of intimidation.
Speaker 5: Like like like I walked into your house?
Speaker 3: Haha?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a joke. Oh god, yeah, I'll leave.
Speaker 3: Because I want to, not because you're making me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And Martha, you know, Martha wasn't just like a regular person.
Speaker 1: She was considered, you know, gifted in a spiritual sense.
Speaker 1: Brandon of Tinfoil tells podcast that you may have heard
Speaker 1: on this show and heard me mentioned before. He says,
Speaker 1: if Bigfoot was proven to exist, what sort of ramifications
Speaker 1: do you think would happen from the discovery and how
Speaker 1: does it impact humanity?
Speaker 2: What do you think, Bob?
Speaker 4: Like I said before, I think that one would It
Speaker 4: would just it would change a lot of way what
Speaker 4: we think think Yeah about you know, the history of
Speaker 4: man and biblical stuff. I hate to say that, but
Speaker 4: it would. It would affect a lot of stuff, and
Speaker 4: it would cast a lot of doubt, uh in the world.
Speaker 4: I think maybe call some chaos. That's just me how
Speaker 4: I think about.
Speaker 3: It, Steven, Yeah, I would agree. I would.
Speaker 5: I would quote everything you've read and science books is
Speaker 5: about to change from science mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think I think it would. It would really really
Speaker 5: impact us as human beings. And I think, for some reason,
Speaker 5: I still think, I still think that there's going to
Speaker 5: be people that now it's fake, that's still gonna be
Speaker 5: people that they choose not to believe because they keep saying, oh,
Speaker 5: you know, big it's real.
Speaker 3: How come we haven't found a body. Well, now we
Speaker 3: got a living body. We see them all the time. Now,
Speaker 3: Oh no, it's just people. Unless suit it's going to
Speaker 3: be both. Unfortunately, that's what I think.
Speaker 1: I always thought that, like, there's no way that they
Speaker 1: don't know about these things already. And whenever I say hey,
Speaker 1: I mean the government and not just the United States,
Speaker 1: all over the world, because these things aren't just in
Speaker 1: North America. There's you know, Bigfoot everywhere. So then if
Speaker 1: they know that they're out there. Why do they keep
Speaker 1: them a secret or at least not admit that they
Speaker 1: know that they're out there. Chances are they've probably already
Speaker 1: studied them way more so than we've ever been able to.
Speaker 1: And I kind of think that the reason must be
Speaker 1: because they do know what they are, and they do
Speaker 1: know that it would cause a lot of problems if
Speaker 1: it was admitted to. It can't just be some undiscovered
Speaker 1: ape because of that very reason, in my opinion, if
Speaker 1: it was just like something like a gorilla, they would
Speaker 1: just be like, yeah, that's a North American ape. Here,
Speaker 1: it is in a zoo. Here, it is in a museum,
Speaker 1: you know, like and that's it. But they don't do
Speaker 1: that for some reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I recall listening to Sarah Bignall Yawi Central podcasts and
Speaker 4: she was interviewing a soldier from the Australian government and
Speaker 4: he was saying he told her he didn't have a
Speaker 4: proof of it, but he was telling her that they
Speaker 4: would hand out whenever they joined like the military, or
Speaker 4: they would go out and do excursions in like the bush,
Speaker 4: that they would hand out pamphlets of Yawi's about what
Speaker 4: they were, what they did, where were they in the
Speaker 4: area and so, but he was he was talking about that.
Speaker 4: So if the Australian government knows about it but doesn't
Speaker 4: want to tell the public, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I used to think, you know, comparing it to Okay,
Speaker 1: well if it's not flesh and blood versus if it
Speaker 1: is flesh and blood. And I think both sides have
Speaker 1: their own arguments as to why it would be a
Speaker 1: huge deal if it was ever acknowledged or admitted to.
Speaker 1: I think it would cause problems either way. You look
Speaker 1: at it like science could be proven wrong or science
Speaker 1: could be proven right. Either way, it would cause problems.
Speaker 1: Brandon also wrote, if sasquatch is a biological creature, what
Speaker 1: would the day to day life look like in your opinion?
Speaker 1: And how has it remained elusive with the expansion of humanity.
Speaker 1: Day to day life I think would be very similar
Speaker 1: to any human living off the land in the wild
Speaker 1: that was adapted to do so. I think they have
Speaker 1: families just like we do. I think they have small
Speaker 1: communities just like we do, and so I think the
Speaker 1: majority of their day would be looking after the young,
Speaker 1: looking after the elderly, and foraging for food, you know,
Speaker 1: just living their life the way that they've remained elusive
Speaker 1: is human ego. I think that we think we're way
Speaker 1: smarter than what we actually are. I don't believe humanity
Speaker 1: has expanded to the extent that most people think it has.
Speaker 1: I think the majority of space out there is just
Speaker 1: areas that we travel through or visit from time to time.
Speaker 1: And in those areas where we do have humanity actually
Speaker 1: living on a regular basis, I think a lot of
Speaker 1: those places already know these things exist, see them all
Speaker 1: the time, and just accept it and keep it to themselves.
Speaker 4: I do recall, and I have the privilege to speak
Speaker 4: to John Dennenegel before he passed, and I asked him
Speaker 4: this question. I asked him why have they been elusive?
Speaker 4: And you know, he thought for a minute and he
Speaker 4: told me. He goes, well, Robert, he goes, And I'm
Speaker 4: just I'm just paraphrasing here because I don't remember clary
Speaker 4: what he said, but he said that he goes, a
Speaker 4: deer has a cute eyesight and hearing and smell.
Speaker 3: He goes.
Speaker 4: Picture this as a deer with the brain. That's how
Speaker 4: they like stay elusive. They know you're coming before you
Speaker 4: know it, and they're out of the area. So That's
Speaker 4: what he told me, and I've I've taken that to
Speaker 4: heart and I've always kept it with me.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, think about this. We have no even
Speaker 1: way to estimate this number. How many active bigfooters are there,
Speaker 1: not just right now, but since the very beginning, in total,
Speaker 1: a lot thousands? Yeah, Okay, people that actually go out
Speaker 1: looking for this thing? How many bigfooters do you know
Speaker 1: or that you've ever even heard about? Who said you know?
Speaker 1: I went out there on a regular basis. I went
Speaker 1: out looking for evidence. I talked to witnesses, and I
Speaker 1: never found anything. I never found any evidence. I never
Speaker 1: found any tracks. I never found anything that would lead
Speaker 1: me to believe that these things actually exist. I don't
Speaker 1: think they are elusive. I just think that nobody ever
Speaker 1: looks for them, and the people that do look for
Speaker 1: them find evidence of them. Do I think that they're
Speaker 1: hard to photograph and hard to video and hard to.
Speaker 2: Get a view of.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, But if you go out looking for these
Speaker 1: things and you actually put enough effort into it, you're
Speaker 1: going to find evidence of them being out there. You're
Speaker 1: going to hear their vocalizations, You're going to hear them
Speaker 1: walking around you, You're going to find their tracks. I
Speaker 1: don't know anybody worth their salt that hasn't. The majority
Speaker 1: of people that say these things don't exist are people
Speaker 1: that have never ever gone.
Speaker 2: Out and looked for them.
Speaker 1: I agree, Yep and Brandon's final question, and we'll end
Speaker 1: it with this one. If there was one thing you've
Speaker 1: learned over the years, what is the most important when
Speaker 1: it comes to looking for sasquatch? And if there was
Speaker 1: something you could change, what would you do differently. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of things that I would change and do
Speaker 1: differently if I could.
Speaker 2: And this is kind of.
Speaker 1: Kind of a contradictive thing, because one of the most
Speaker 1: important things, whenever I think it, looking for sasquatch is
Speaker 1: actually learning about the environment and allowing yourself to truly
Speaker 1: observe what's around you in your surroundings. And you can't
Speaker 1: do that if you're out there looking for bigfoot. If
Speaker 1: you're trying desperately to get a siding or record a
Speaker 1: vocal or get video or get a photo, and you're
Speaker 1: hauling all this equipment out there, it's probably not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: It's whenever you just go out there and become one
Speaker 1: with the environment. As cliche as it sounds, leave all
Speaker 1: that stuff behind you and just allow yourself to experience
Speaker 1: nature and what's going on. That's when you start noticing things. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the other aspect of that is you don't get that
Speaker 1: proof that you're looking for.
Speaker 2: You don't get to get the video, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the things that I would change
Speaker 1: is documenting everything that I did, recording everything on video,
Speaker 1: taking photos of everything, so a lot of stuff wouldn't
Speaker 1: just be stories.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: If I could go back specifically to that day whenever
Speaker 1: I first saw one for the first time through the
Speaker 1: night vision, man, it would have been nice to, you know,
Speaker 1: take video, even if it's through the night vision scope
Speaker 1: or something, do something, call attention to it, blast it
Speaker 1: with a spotlight. But you don't do that sort of thing,
Speaker 1: especially whenever you're like actually in a situation where one
Speaker 1: of these things is around. I don't care who you are,
Speaker 1: it's extremely difficult to get your mind anywhere. But in
Speaker 1: shock of what you're observing, it's everything goes right out
Speaker 1: the window as soon as the shit starts to go down,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would think that the things that I would
Speaker 4: have changed because when I first started with the TBRC.
Speaker 4: I thought this was the flesh and blood, and I
Speaker 4: just thought it was an ape and I just that's
Speaker 4: just what I thought. And I didn't I didn't learn
Speaker 4: where the water ways were. I didn't I didn't learn
Speaker 4: what game was in the area. I didn't learn what
Speaker 4: the game we're eating. Because if I would go back
Speaker 4: in time now, I would do all that. I'd find
Speaker 4: out what's in the area, what's moving, what's active, because
Speaker 4: you know, Bigfoot to follow the game, and they also
Speaker 4: follow the game. You also got to know what's in
Speaker 4: the you know, what else is in the area. Is
Speaker 4: there a farm? Is there a fish hatchery? Is there
Speaker 4: you know, a feed store? Is there a guy growing pigs?
Speaker 4: So I why right, Yeah, the electrical ride aways, gas rideaways.
Speaker 4: I didn't do all that stuff in the past, And
Speaker 4: you know now, I that's the first thing I look
Speaker 4: for whenever I see a siding report, especially here in Texas.
Speaker 4: I go, where's a gas right away, where's the electrical
Speaker 4: ride away, where's the waterways? Where's all this stuff? And
Speaker 4: I just wish, you know, you know, I don't. You know,
Speaker 4: we don't do a lot of Bigfoot research anymore. You know,
Speaker 4: we just don't. And I'm not gonna say so. We
Speaker 4: don't do a lot of that stuff anymore. But you know, Matt,
Speaker 4: you know, because like we kind of deserve what other
Speaker 4: people do, and we kind of like critique them, you know,
Speaker 4: from time to times, and we say, Okay, they're doing this.
Speaker 4: We did this back then, and you know, like like
Speaker 4: the stuff I know now, like uh, what's the name
Speaker 4: game camps or cam trackers. That's that's like a deterrent.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that back then. I just thought we
Speaker 4: put them up, we can catch a bigfoot. But no,
Speaker 4: they avoid them. I don't why. I don't know. It's
Speaker 4: like a like a deterrent now. So it's most of
Speaker 4: the stuff I know now. I wish I had known
Speaker 4: back then, you know. So I'll just go with that.
Speaker 1: I think another big aspect of it that I would
Speaker 1: change is I would quit. I would unplug from the Internet,
Speaker 1: you know, I would quit having all these outside sources
Speaker 1: telling me what is and what isn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just think that a lot of people start off
Speaker 1: with a box because they've gone on the Internet and
Speaker 1: they've found a person or a group of people that,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, they admire and they just start believing
Speaker 1: whatever this person says is true, and that becomes their
Speaker 1: belief system. And then they go out in the woods
Speaker 1: and they start looking for these things, and if it
Speaker 1: doesn't follow into line with what that person has taught them,
Speaker 1: then it must not be a bigfoot, it must not
Speaker 1: be true. And that's just the mindset that they have.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately that's not always the case. Most people in
Speaker 1: this field do not know what they're talking about, except
Speaker 1: for me and big Foot Club and Bigfoot Club guys,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining me. I hope you had fun. I
Speaker 1: had fun. We'll have to do it again sometime.
Speaker 3: We had a blast. We had a blast.
Speaker 1: Check out Bigfoot Club podcast dot com. You can find
Speaker 1: these guys, listen to their past episodes, tack them all
Speaker 1: that good stuff, and check out Bigfoot Crossroads dot com
Speaker 1: where you can find all the same stuff.
Speaker 2: For me. And until next time, remember there's something in
Speaker 2: the woods.