Speaker 1: Welcome to the Big Blue and Sider Dick Gabriel with
Speaker 1: you Tuesday edition of our program, and tonight Cameron Mills
Speaker 1: joins us here in the garage. Of course, we pre
Speaker 1: record talked to Cameron earlier today, and we talk a
Speaker 1: lot of basketball. We talk a lot about coaching. We
Speaker 1: talk about Rick Patino versus Mark Pope, different styles of coaching,
Speaker 1: and why both are and have been successful will be
Speaker 1: successful at Kentucky. And of course Cameron and Mark Pope
Speaker 1: are good friends. They were teammates, they won a national
Speaker 1: championship together and survive Rick Patino together. But both of
Speaker 1: them now think as much of Patino as anybody in
Speaker 1: their respective lives. So we'll talk about that. I will
Speaker 1: warn you that Cameron and I and if you've listened
Speaker 1: to our conversations before, you know this, we get off
Speaker 1: on tangents, but usually it's at the end of the show.
Speaker 1: Somehow today and I'll take the blame, we kind of
Speaker 1: lost track early and we spend a lot of time
Speaker 1: talking I don't know how about coffee and doughnuts and
Speaker 1: things like that, and many of you out there enjoy
Speaker 1: one or both, so you might find it interesting. I
Speaker 1: hope you do, but stick around for the basketball talk
Speaker 1: because that's the most interesting part of all. Before we
Speaker 1: get to our interview, we'll tell you, and you probably
Speaker 1: have already seen this by now, but Randall Cobb, who
Speaker 1: might be the best all around player in the history
Speaker 1: of Kentucky football, is on now the ballot for the
Speaker 1: National Football Foundation College Hall of Fame. I do vote
Speaker 1: for that, and I will tell you I will vote
Speaker 1: for Randall Cobb. I will also tell you that the
Speaker 1: ballot is absolutely jammed with great college players. I don't
Speaker 1: have the time to go through them all now. Probably
Speaker 1: do that tomorrow night, unless I have Jerry duty. But
Speaker 1: it's going to be really difficult because there are so
Speaker 1: many great players. And what is also interesting is how
Speaker 1: many of these great players came across the path of
Speaker 1: the Kentucky Wildcats. You've seen, if you've watched Kentucky football,
Speaker 1: so many of these great players. I guarantee you, if
Speaker 1: you're a college football fan, you've seen them on TV.
Speaker 1: Every time. It seemed like every third or fourth name,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I played against Kentucky. Oh that guy? But yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so it's really interesting. We'll go over at
Speaker 1: like I said, tomorrow and I we don't really have
Speaker 1: the time to do it tonight, but congratulations to Randall
Speaker 1: just for being on the ballot. And he was, as
Speaker 1: you know, a wide receiver, a quarterback, punt return man,
Speaker 1: kick return man. And I went back and forth on
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb or Dickey Lyons Senior as to who was
Speaker 1: the best all around player versatile player in the history
Speaker 1: of Kentucky football. Of course, Dickey Lyons played in the
Speaker 1: late sixties and unfortunately for him, played on some of
Speaker 1: the worst UK teams in the history of the program.
Speaker 1: They just didn't have enough around him. Had some good players,
Speaker 1: but not enough. Randall played for winning teams for the
Speaker 1: most part. Now they won games a lot of the
Speaker 1: reason because of him. But I always wondered was he
Speaker 1: the best? And of course he was a finalist for
Speaker 1: the Paul Horning Award as the nation's most versatile player.
Speaker 1: And none other than Jeff Van Note, who was broadcasting
Speaker 1: Kentucky football back then and played with Dickey Lyons, he
Speaker 1: pronounced Randall Cobb as the best versatile player and playmaker
Speaker 1: in UK football history. That sold it for me. And
Speaker 1: I got to tell you, Dicky Lyons was my first
Speaker 1: college football hero, same name, first name, and I was
Speaker 1: such a great player, and of course Kentucky almost always
Speaker 1: lost when his teams would play. So I was a
Speaker 1: huge Dickey Lyons fan and did a story on him
Speaker 1: for TV many years ago, got to be friendly with him,
Speaker 1: and of course was a big fan of Dickey Lyons junior.
Speaker 1: But Jeff Van Note said it was Randall, and if
Speaker 1: it was Randall, according to Note, that is good enough
Speaker 1: for me. One other basketball note before we hit the
Speaker 1: break and start chatting with Cameron. A couple of satellite
Speaker 1: basketball camps announced by Mark Pope and his staff Laurel
Speaker 1: County on June twentieth from five to seven thirty PM
Speaker 1: at North Laurel High School and then in Russell County
Speaker 1: June twenty first at ten am ten to one ten
Speaker 1: eight I'm sorry, ten thirty to one Eastern time at
Speaker 1: Russell County High School and both are for boys and
Speaker 1: girls ages seven to seventeen. So go UK Athletics dot
Speaker 1: com for more info. And when we come back, Cameron Mills,
Speaker 1: you're in the garage six point thirty WLAP Welcome back
Speaker 1: to the Big Blu Insider and as I mentioned, joining
Speaker 1: us in the garage is mister Cameron Mills. We haven't
Speaker 1: visited with Cameron really since right after the basketball season ended.
Speaker 1: We have much to discuss looking ahead now that there's
Speaker 1: not an entirely brand new roster with a lot of
Speaker 1: new faces, but we usually get caught up. We chit
Speaker 1: chat before we start recording, and believe it or not,
Speaker 1: our topic of discussion as he arrived in the garage
Speaker 1: was this huge container of beverage that he brought. You're
Speaker 1: always you know a lot of times you'll have like
Speaker 1: a big gulp or something. Today it was something that
Speaker 1: the equivalent of a big gulp. You know, let's tell
Speaker 1: me something.
Speaker 2: You know, Lloyd comes out of the for the convenience
Speaker 2: store and looks over at the rough guys and goes
Speaker 2: big gulfs. Huh Okay. Then yeah, well today it's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. It's a Stanley, but
Speaker 2: it's not. First of all, I think so I think
Speaker 2: it's what it is. It's like, it's like this might
Speaker 2: be the either more expensive YETI or the cheaper YETI
Speaker 2: got it. It's all garbage. But what's in it is
Speaker 2: Heaven on Earth cold brew cough cold brew coffee. Now
Speaker 2: let's discuss the difference stick because Cameron is getting ready
Speaker 2: to become an entrepreneur and get into this again. What
Speaker 2: do you mean again?
Speaker 1: You've always got something? What else was not entrepreneur? You're
Speaker 1: delivering flowers for a while.
Speaker 2: That wasn't a business I started. That was that was helping,
Speaker 2: That was making extra money. Susan and I are door dashing.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we're just.
Speaker 1: Author talk about that a little bit later.
Speaker 2: Wait, listen, this it's it's a busy household over that
Speaker 2: with the mills resid so but no, this is this
Speaker 2: is my Susan loves coffee. Susan gets up every morning
Speaker 2: and we do coffee, yes, which I find coffee in
Speaker 2: and of itself deplorable because I don't like bitter things.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't like beer. I don't true, but
Speaker 2: you know, you have you have to have your exceptions.
Speaker 2: I don't like the taste of beer. I don't like
Speaker 2: taste of alcohol, which I'm thankful for because you know,
Speaker 2: I've had addiction issues in my past. So I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's good. This is not This is not my drug
Speaker 2: of choice because it's pretty easy to get. But I
Speaker 2: Susan gets up and every morning it's like she brought
Speaker 2: a cuig into the into the marriage. That's what that was.
Speaker 2: Her contribution helped me zero. But I started getting into
Speaker 2: you know, like, all right, you know what camer you
Speaker 2: can'tdrink I cope, your entire life, So let's get something
Speaker 2: that might be healthier. And then we started getting into
Speaker 2: the the heated microplastics yep, thinking okay, you know, and
Speaker 2: this decisions idea. She's like, you know, I don't know
Speaker 2: how safe that is, and I'm like yeah. So so
Speaker 2: we got away from the curig and then we went
Speaker 2: to and when I say we, I mean her because
Speaker 2: I don't you know, I'll drink the coffee.
Speaker 1: She sets the tone.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, in every in every way. And that's that
Speaker 2: has not said bitterly. I just said, God, thank god
Speaker 2: I found her. But so the decision was, okay, let's
Speaker 2: get a regular like a coffee pot, which oddly enough,
Speaker 2: the millennials and the generation whatever they are now, they's
Speaker 2: Squadron call. They are starting that they found this new
Speaker 2: thing called a coffee pot where they can make their
Speaker 2: own coffee at home for pennies to what they've been
Speaker 2: paying at Starbucks, and so it's it's this brilliant thing
Speaker 2: they've discovered. I think a lot of us should get
Speaker 2: into it. And uh so, anyway, but what's funny is
Speaker 2: she got the coffee pot.
Speaker 1: But you you have to go through many many steps
Speaker 1: to make the vanilla frappuccino. Yeah, we don't, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: True many Starbucks people.
Speaker 2: No, true, absolutely, I get that. But you can also coffee.
Speaker 2: You could also And if you like your blackie, you're Blackie.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm gonna call my first Colbert Black Excellent. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I don't think that CAUs any problems. If
Speaker 2: you like your coffee black, then your job's done right
Speaker 2: either way. I mean, it's the easiest thing to do.
Speaker 2: But I don't like bitter things. Therefore I cannot do
Speaker 2: black coffee. So this has a load of sugar free
Speaker 2: creamer in it with a slight vanilla flavor. But anyway,
Speaker 2: so she got the regular coffee pot. But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: The regular regular coffee pots have plastic in them. The
Speaker 2: hot water is still going through plastic. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: I can no, it is.
Speaker 2: Well in our in ours like the one we got
Speaker 2: because again, I guess depends on how expensive one you get. Anyway, well,
Speaker 2: it depends.
Speaker 1: On the staff. If you have a French press, that's
Speaker 1: not a big.
Speaker 2: True true because that's the metal. Yeah, but get it.
Speaker 2: Come on, what that's a little mix. Who are these
Speaker 2: pretentious people French pressing their coffee up?
Speaker 1: We used to have one. We used to have and
Speaker 1: then my wife then and you matured, a wife's a
Speaker 1: coffee fish. We have not to get you off track.
Speaker 2: Which we were already off track.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we have a coffee maker upstairs that she
Speaker 1: purchased at a pretty penny because it's what Jennifer Aniston.
Speaker 2: Oh you told me this last time told me.
Speaker 1: It makes you eat coffee.
Speaker 2: Jennifer, Jennifer Instant makes a great thing. That's except movies.
Speaker 2: But she but she did make a great TV series
Speaker 2: for about ten years and was my college crush. I
Speaker 2: was gonna say, yeah, I don't even make me different anyway.
Speaker 2: So anyway, so so I started because of a TV
Speaker 2: show that you and I both adore, called Archer.
Speaker 1: And this is why we're recording this. We were gonna
Speaker 1: talk basketball first. Archer is an animated series about the
Speaker 1: greatest private greatest.
Speaker 2: The Greatest Private Eye. Yeah private Yeah, he's a secret age,
Speaker 2: secret agent. He tells everyone he's a secret if. Most
Speaker 2: people probably have heard of or watched it, but it
Speaker 2: is usually one of those mini shows that you and
Speaker 2: I have gotten each other into. I mean, I hear
Speaker 2: the Scrubs, thirty Rock Archer, I got you into Letter
Speaker 2: Kenny and into short uh so Seinfeld, that's what I
Speaker 2: think that's was the original one. But anyway, so there's
Speaker 2: a there's an episode and I think it's season seven
Speaker 2: of Archer, but it's when they start getting into the
Speaker 2: like kind of weird seasons where he's in a coma. Right, well,
Speaker 2: this is the one that puts him in a coma.
Speaker 2: That's that season, right. So the two the two police
Speaker 2: officers played by Key and Peel. I'm pretty sure at
Speaker 2: least one of one of the two is doing the
Speaker 2: voiceovers for one of those for this character. And these
Speaker 2: it's these two detectives looking at Archer's body. Uh it's animated,
Speaker 2: by the way, folks. So I was looking at Archer's body,
Speaker 2: you know, overturned in a pool with gunshots in him,
Speaker 2: like he's dead. Right, That's how the scene opens. So
Speaker 2: the detectors are talking about you know, you know what
Speaker 2: what you know the case, and then the other guy
Speaker 2: played by either Key or Peel. I forget which one,
Speaker 2: but I recognized the voice basically says he's gonna go
Speaker 2: get a coffee, and and the other cop who's being
Speaker 2: the you know, the the rough one. It's like, I like,
Speaker 2: mind black, he goes up, I'm gonna get a col Brew.
Speaker 2: He goes easier on the tom tum and he looks
Speaker 2: at him. He's like what he goes Yeah, Colebrew has
Speaker 2: about two thirds less acid.
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, hmmm, you're taking dietary advice from a.
Speaker 2: From an animated TV show. But I've done I've done
Speaker 2: this several times. I mean, I have learned about things
Speaker 2: my mom told me when I was a child. The
Speaker 2: reading was important. Now I'm not going to dispute that. Okay,
Speaker 2: you're a teacher, no no, no. My mom yes, in
Speaker 2: the sense that she was a mom, I mean meaning
Speaker 2: meaning she was she was until call your until until
Speaker 2: the nest was empty. My mom was a mother period.
Speaker 2: She was. She didn't work, she worked, she was a
Speaker 2: she worked at home. And that ain't mean something different today,
Speaker 2: doesn't it. She was a mother and a wife at home. Okay,
Speaker 2: one one of most important jobs area. So don't even
Speaker 2: think I'm saying it's not a job. She's don't get
Speaker 2: paid for it. So anyway, So but she always said,
Speaker 2: I mean I hate to read you know this, and
Speaker 2: she but she would always I mean, just from time
Speaker 2: was a child. It's like, camer you got it. Have
Speaker 2: you read your book for your book report. I've read
Speaker 2: the back of the cover. Cameron read the book because
Speaker 2: I've told you sadly, And I'll confess again, how many
Speaker 2: books have I read my life? And what are they?
Speaker 1: The Bible and the autobiography of Malcolm X.
Speaker 2: Why because Alex Haley could write his rear end off?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but why that wasn't a gateway to other books anyway,
Speaker 1: back to cold back.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyway, so they're they're talking about it, and
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, Okay, I you know, I guess I'll try it.
Speaker 2: And then I went through the phase where I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: so this is caffeine. It's it's got the bitter sweet
Speaker 2: to it coffee in general. Right when you put creamer in,
Speaker 2: you get caffeine. And then I'm like, I just don't
Speaker 2: want to get up in the morning and drink something
Speaker 2: three hundred degrees. And I've always been like that. I
Speaker 2: don't I like hot chocolate, that's about it, right, and
Speaker 2: that's in the winter. So then I discovered ice coffee,
Speaker 2: all right, And so then I went through that quick fase.
Speaker 2: It can be a little bitter, yeah, yeah, And I
Speaker 2: don't mind a little bitter, especially when it's loaded with
Speaker 2: a bunch of sweets and so and then I went
Speaker 2: and so I went through that phase, and then the
Speaker 2: Archer thing happened, and I'm like, I wonder if my
Speaker 2: stomach would feel better after cold brew, because I was
Speaker 2: confused between ice coffee and cold brew. Folks. There's a difference.
Speaker 2: Cold brew, as it, as has stated, is brood cold,
Speaker 2: not brood hot. So it takes a day to brew.
Speaker 2: It takes like a like a cup and a half
Speaker 2: of coffee round. But it is it is. It is
Speaker 2: my drink of choice. Now I am a diet coke occasionally,
Speaker 2: and is it uh yes, no, no, I mean I
Speaker 2: can honestly tell that like when I I if I
Speaker 2: go back and I just have to have like a
Speaker 2: regular couple offfee, meaning we're somewhere where there is no
Speaker 2: cold brew, which is many places. And that's the problem
Speaker 2: with the world that I'm trying to change. And so
Speaker 2: the problem the problem, yes, and so I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know what other problems you could be referring to.
Speaker 2: And so, uh, but I can tell when I drink
Speaker 2: gray of coffee, I'm like it just I don't know
Speaker 2: how to describe it. It's just a tummy ache. And
Speaker 2: then when I drink this, no, no, it's it's it's
Speaker 2: it's it's it's the soothing this of a diet coke,
Speaker 2: all right, without the.
Speaker 1: Coke is being soothing.
Speaker 2: Well, when it's your when it's your drink of when
Speaker 2: your when's your first thing in the morning drink, which
Speaker 2: sounds absurd. It's like I was living like a college kid.
Speaker 2: Well actually college because they pay ten dollars for some
Speaker 2: Starbucks every day. But I am starting my own coffee company.
Speaker 2: Back and forth. It's all going to be Colebrew, cams
Speaker 2: Cam's Coldbrew, Cameron's Cold Brew. I don't know if I'll
Speaker 2: put my name in it. We'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: Right, they're out of the house.
Speaker 2: Well initially, yes, I'm not investing million dollars of infrastructure
Speaker 2: into this, you know, potentially failed concepts.
Speaker 1: You know what, folks, he had an idea when he
Speaker 1: got out of college that he was going to try
Speaker 1: to bring the election, and we'll tell you about that
Speaker 1: after the break. He is Cameron Mills. You don't, folks, No,
Speaker 1: this is well sort of uh no, Cameron, of course.
Speaker 1: He former wildcad, two time national champion and a member
Speaker 1: of our UK Sports Network team covering Kentucky basket ball
Speaker 1: on our pregame show. We'll come back, I promise and
Speaker 1: talk basketball and his buddy Mark Pope and the new roster.
Speaker 1: We're also going to talk about Rick Patino.
Speaker 2: That's right, yesd the off season back.
Speaker 1: In just a minute on six point thirty WLA B.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Big Blue and Cider. We're here
Speaker 1: in the garage with Cameron Mills, former Kentucky basketball guard,
Speaker 1: now member of our pregame coverage on the UK Sports Network.
Speaker 1: And we wasted the first segment.
Speaker 2: Talking about not waste it informing.
Speaker 1: The public educating the public about coldbrew coffee.
Speaker 2: A lesson that was learned by watching an adult animated
Speaker 2: TV show. Watch for it.
Speaker 1: I guess you'll you'll see it on the internet if
Speaker 1: and when Cameron's Cold Brew is born. But that is
Speaker 1: not the furthest will not be if you follow us,
Speaker 1: it won't be the first time he is tried something
Speaker 1: of a business man because coming out of UK pre
Speaker 1: n I l of course, you guys were part of
Speaker 1: the Barnstorming Tour, which is.
Speaker 2: A great tell. There was one every year, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Great tradition and so you had a little bit of
Speaker 1: change in your pocket.
Speaker 2: Well, we had just won a National champions right, which
Speaker 2: is always funny if you look back at the autograph
Speaker 2: set the guys who graduate and the autograph sess as
Speaker 2: they get to do, which again it's completely different now
Speaker 2: they get to do them while they were players. But
Speaker 2: if you come out, if your last season at UK
Speaker 2: is a final four, those autographs tours and barnstorm tours,
Speaker 2: which they really don't do much anymore, they're going to
Speaker 2: be successful. You come out of the UK and your
Speaker 2: last year is a national champion and you've actually got
Speaker 2: two of those suckers and one runner up. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: go incredibly well. And we had three thousand people two
Speaker 2: days after the National Championship Game ninety eight. We have
Speaker 2: three thousand, Jeff Shepherd, Allen Edwards, and I with three seniors,
Speaker 2: and eventually Nause joined us because he was gonna go pro.
Speaker 2: We had three thousand people at Fayette Mall get in
Speaker 2: line winning our autograph.
Speaker 1: You remember guy charge for autograph.
Speaker 2: Well, we didn't charge for autograph. Fayette in that case
Speaker 2: paid us per hour to be there, and it was
Speaker 2: still an obscene amount. Good and I and that's the
Speaker 2: thing I don't I don't. I don't feel comfortable saying it.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you off the area and I've told I've
Speaker 2: told other people before. It's not like it's a secret.
Speaker 2: But I'll just say it's like three thousand dollars an hour,
Speaker 2: all right for the three of us to sit there
Speaker 2: and sign our name, Okay, And what made it amazing
Speaker 2: that day? And granted it was the very first one
Speaker 2: we had, and it's tailed off in the last twenty
Speaker 2: five years, folks. Okay, I I'm not charging that much anymore.
Speaker 2: And uh, but the line they paid us for three hours,
Speaker 2: that was the deal. There were still at least seven
Speaker 2: hundred people in the line of three hours, and so
Speaker 2: the manager of Femal came to us in our ears
Speaker 2: we're signing and saying, hey, we don't want to disappoint anybody,
Speaker 2: would you guys stay an extra hour for half of
Speaker 2: what we paid you per hour? And we're like, well, heck, yeah, nice.
Speaker 1: I mean that everything else you made, Yeah, you had
Speaker 1: some some coins, seed money, and you had I had
Speaker 1: a great idea because at the time Electioningdon did not
Speaker 1: have a certain franchise, so which you know, when you
Speaker 1: brought it up, I thought, yeah, I wonder why so
Speaker 1: you investigated what?
Speaker 2: So I grew up appreciating, as sane rational people do, Yes,
Speaker 2: the gloriousness of the hot Krispy Kreme. Exactly when the
Speaker 2: hot light is not on, you don't go when the
Speaker 2: hot light is on, you get two dozen and you
Speaker 2: down them immediately. All right, hot, how that works out?
Speaker 2: So I decided because they the only one I'd ever
Speaker 2: been to is in Tallahassee, Florida, where where my mom's from. Gotcha,
Speaker 2: And that was like a tradition. We'd get done for
Speaker 2: Christmas and on Saturday while we were there, Dad would
Speaker 2: go to Krispy Kremen and you come back with the cruelers.
Speaker 2: By the way, Krispy Kreme, your greatest mistake ever getting
Speaker 2: rid of the ruler.
Speaker 1: Didn't they really?
Speaker 2: They did? They Still you still find them, but they
Speaker 2: don't make them in their stores.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: And let me tell you the greatest culinary experience of
Speaker 2: my life was happening to be in a Krispy Kreme
Speaker 2: because light was on. Is that's the rule? You don't
Speaker 2: pass the Krispy kreman. The hotline is on, right, you
Speaker 2: don't pass it. That is literally in the Bible, that's
Speaker 2: a sin. So so i'm I'm I'm in there, and
Speaker 2: they're not. It's the hot lights on, but they're not
Speaker 2: making their glaze. They're making their crulers. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, and I I already love coolers and
Speaker 2: I'm thinking hot crulers. Is that possible? I mean, okay,
Speaker 2: so I got a dozen gracing I've ever put in
Speaker 2: my mouth.
Speaker 1: All I can think of is the scene from The
Speaker 1: Simpsons or Homers and Hell strapped into a chair and
Speaker 1: they're shoving donuts into his mouth with a machine and
Speaker 1: he just keeps going more more more, and the devil says,
Speaker 1: James Coco went mad in an hour.
Speaker 2: I don't even know James Coco. It is an actor,
Speaker 2: but anyway. So yeah, I said, why don't we have
Speaker 2: a Krispy Kreme, and.
Speaker 1: Like, right, and you are going to provide the seed money?
Speaker 2: Well, I was, I didn't know Krispy Kremes. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't think that's what they would let me call it,
Speaker 2: but but I was. I at least called got in
Speaker 2: touch with Winston Sale in California, which sale in North Carolina,
Speaker 2: got on the phone with the vice president of franchise.
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, who is he, especially now, especially
Speaker 2: now in my well, that's exactly how it turned out.
Speaker 2: And I just said to I introduced myself. I said,
Speaker 2: I've run into some money.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, when you introduce yourself, did you say
Speaker 1: national championship?
Speaker 2: Now I might have said I'm a former Kentucky basketball player,
Speaker 2: maybe kind of grease the wheels a little bit. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but I just said, I've run into some money, and
Speaker 2: i'd like to I'd like to inquire about the possibility
Speaker 2: of a franchise Chrispy Kreme franchise full store right in Lexing, Kentucky.
Speaker 2: The rest of the conversation lasted five seconds, and I'm
Speaker 2: not kidding, that's no exaggeration. He literally said, there's no
Speaker 2: market for one there click and hung up on me
Speaker 2: now again, all right, dream shattered you overcome right. Two
Speaker 2: years later, one freaking opened up over there off Frischman Road,
Speaker 2: and we're there every Saturday.
Speaker 1: Where are you?
Speaker 2: Alex loves them. Alex loves them. We were there the
Speaker 2: other day and and they were making hot ones. But
Speaker 2: they weren't. They weren't the glaze, they were the They
Speaker 2: were the ones you stuff that you put cream in.
Speaker 2: He was devastating and I told him, I said, buddy,
Speaker 2: they're still hot.
Speaker 1: My faves are the jelly stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh, those are by the least favorite, raspberry or lemon. Oh,
Speaker 2: my least favorite, to be honest, is when Krispy Kreme
Speaker 2: feels like they have to do these special limited release
Speaker 2: donuts come. We don't. We don't need a Grinch donut.
Speaker 2: We don't you talk.
Speaker 1: About the hot donuts? Now? Yeah, as we drift further
Speaker 1: and further our topics, but one of our favorite stories
Speaker 1: we tell people about the UK Network is from football
Speaker 1: and we so this was a year. There were a
Speaker 1: couple of years. Here's some inside baseball for you. A
Speaker 1: couple of years when the contract was up and our company,
Speaker 1: the rights holder, was going to prepare a bid to
Speaker 1: try to win it back. So now they're trying to
Speaker 1: squeeze every dollar they can and what might be the
Speaker 1: last year with the contract. And again this happened a
Speaker 1: couple of times. So instead of us flying with the team,
Speaker 1: we were asked to drive everywhere.
Speaker 2: Hard you all to fly with the team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to buy seats because the university has
Speaker 1: to buy the seats.
Speaker 2: Anyway, they're buying the seats or they buy the plane.
Speaker 2: There are there are seats that go unused on these flights.
Speaker 2: I've been on many of them.
Speaker 1: No, not on football.
Speaker 2: Oh I don't know about football anyhow.
Speaker 1: So we're we're all piles stuffed into this suv and
Speaker 1: our late great statistician, Errol Thomas Brownie was driving, and
Speaker 1: our producer, our great, the great producer, Mike Dodson's in
Speaker 1: the front seat.
Speaker 2: We just got a promotion, by the way, with state government.
Speaker 2: Did you see that, Mike Dodson? No, no, no, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: not Mike. Jim Barnhart Sorry.
Speaker 1: Okay, anyhow, the other day, Jim's our basketball producer. Now anyway,
Speaker 1: So we pull out of the stadium at Florida. It's
Speaker 1: it's early evening after covering yet another butt kicking. You know.
Speaker 1: Now they go down there with a chance to win.
Speaker 1: But back then, no, so we had just been you know,
Speaker 1: we're numb to just another and it's a long drive
Speaker 1: home brother from Gainesville. Well, Harold inadvertently takes a wrong
Speaker 1: turn and goes left instead of right, and we passed
Speaker 1: a Krispy Kream. Okay, we don't really think about it,
Speaker 1: but we we passed Krispy Kreme and then immediately realize
Speaker 1: we're going in the wrong direction. So Harold does a
Speaker 1: yuie or turn, pulls in, turns around and in the
Speaker 1: interim the time it took the turnaround like hot donuts. Now,
Speaker 1: Mike Dodson lost his money. So you gotta stop, Harrold.
Speaker 1: Come well, Harold, thing was he never stopped?
Speaker 2: What and why do you let him drive?
Speaker 1: Hold on? He drove every mile of every trip. He
Speaker 1: loved driving. Okay, he drove an RV to Little Rock,
Speaker 1: Arkansas one year, the entire way and getting Harold to
Speaker 1: stop unless you know, unless you really had to go,
Speaker 1: you know. Well, so as soon as the rest of
Speaker 1: us realized what was going on. Yeah, there were three
Speaker 1: of us in a Vaccat pounding on the seat like Harold, stop,
Speaker 1: you gotta stop, man, Harold, and Mikey's in the front seat, Harold,
Speaker 1: come on. He finally relented and pulled in and man,
Speaker 1: we got sick.
Speaker 2: Christy uts I told you story before we were in.
Speaker 2: We we had just beaten South Carolina in Columbia and
Speaker 2: this was one of the Patino years. And we're we're
Speaker 2: driving back to the airport. This is a nine o'clock
Speaker 2: ESPN game, so it is now one am, and we
Speaker 2: are just now leaving Columbia heading home, and we're driving
Speaker 2: past and we're on our way to the airport, and
Speaker 2: we're going down this main thoroughfare in Colombia on our
Speaker 2: way to the airport, and we passed at Krispy Kreme
Speaker 2: and the hot light is on and this is one am.
Speaker 2: Hotlight is on because they got to mixed up. We
Speaker 2: had won, which is key to the story, of course,
Speaker 2: because if we hadn't won, no one would have said
Speaker 2: a word. But we won. So Anthony Epps screamed from
Speaker 2: the back row of the bus coach, can we stop it?
Speaker 2: Just like we were all on it. We were all
Speaker 2: ten years old on a vacation with our parents, and
Speaker 2: coach said, yeah, let's stop. Wow, we pulled this bus
Speaker 2: of ravenous college guys and a butt load of other
Speaker 2: people pull into this Krispy Krean. They send the managers
Speaker 2: of course, because of course they did in and every
Speaker 2: player got twenty four to look. This is a coach
Speaker 2: that is a I mean, all he cares about is
Speaker 2: how much you weigh? What do you weigh?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And Anthony and I and and which is It was
Speaker 2: silly for Anthony because Anthony's I mean, he's always he
Speaker 2: was always in shape. But remember coach was like, okay,
Speaker 2: but you got to be quicker, so you got to
Speaker 2: lose weight. So there's always this balance for most of
Speaker 2: the guys of okay, I need you to have strength,
Speaker 2: but you have to be light enough to be quick
Speaker 2: enough to beat your man to get to the corner
Speaker 2: to cut off the angle. Except for me, who lived
Speaker 2: the opposite life of a Walter McCarty who had a
Speaker 2: ten thousand calorie a day diet and mine was about
Speaker 2: fifty calories a day. And so but anyway, so for
Speaker 2: coach to say, hey, yeah, go get them donuts and
Speaker 2: then they come back, I mean they got to make
Speaker 2: four trips in and out of the store to get
Speaker 2: all these donuts, and they hand every player two boxes
Speaker 2: and not a single donut was left. Tell me about
Speaker 2: that airport, they were all gone.
Speaker 1: You're on your way to pre diabetes. All right, Once
Speaker 1: again we shredded away another segment when we come back. Honestly,
Speaker 1: we'll talk basketball with Cameron Mills on six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Big Blue Insider finally, and I
Speaker 1: will get to basketball. He's here in the ground. We've
Speaker 1: covered cold brew, we've covered donuts, so we've got your
Speaker 1: morning routine covered. We are not going to talk about lunch.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, no, no, I promised. I've promised.
Speaker 1: I promised our audience we'll talk basketball. Let me throw
Speaker 1: this at you. I'm not going to get into the
Speaker 1: preseason polls because that just sets you off on some
Speaker 1: insane rant.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if it's insane. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know what, everyone's heard it, that's right, but
Speaker 2: it is. It is my I preached Jesus and I
Speaker 2: preached this nonsense.
Speaker 1: Where are you on the notion? And it's it's offered
Speaker 1: from basketball analysts and fans and everybody with very gently
Speaker 1: with love that if it was a honeymoon for Mark Pope,
Speaker 1: it's now over and it's time now to look at
Speaker 1: Kentucky as a legit national title contender. Last year was
Speaker 1: all about getting the program back on its feed, not
Speaker 1: that it was totally off, but you know, an empty roster,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I'm saying, Well, uh, it was,
Speaker 1: it was. It was tense. There were some tense moments,
Speaker 1: the questioning, oh you mean of the hiring of Mark Pope,
Speaker 1: Who the heck's going to play these games? And he
Speaker 1: fills out a roster, How in the world are going
Speaker 1: to do this? Et cetera. And they did it quite well,
Speaker 1: thank you, in spite of in spite of injuries.
Speaker 2: No they didn't.
Speaker 1: What do you mean they didn't because they didn't win.
Speaker 2: What did Mark say?
Speaker 1: Well, Mark said, we failed, Yeah he did.
Speaker 2: How can you be a Kentucky fan and not love
Speaker 2: hearing that. I mean, we got two rounds past what
Speaker 2: Cal had done in the last five years, which is
Speaker 2: what everyone that was their reason for why he needed
Speaker 2: to go. We basically we one get. I mean we
Speaker 2: didn't we set a record, a Kentucky record for the
Speaker 2: most top twenty five teams ever beaten in a season yep,
Speaker 2: and maybe even top fifteen teams. I mean, we had
Speaker 2: no business doing that. So from a logical standpoint, and
Speaker 2: remember Mark is not logical, he's brilliant, he's he's sincere.
Speaker 2: But when it comes to no, we're here to win
Speaker 2: one thing. And again what I'm sing saying it is
Speaker 2: illogical to expect a national championship every year. It won't happen.
Speaker 2: But in Mark's head, right, and and look, I would
Speaker 2: be the same way if I was in that position
Speaker 2: or even attached to the team anymore, because when I played, no,
Speaker 2: we're this is not a try to win, it is
Speaker 2: a this is number one goal in anything short of
Speaker 2: this is failure. We didn't when we because we did
Speaker 2: every year we set out our goals as a team.
Speaker 2: We had a session. Okay, it lasted thirty seconds when
Speaker 2: the SEC tournament was never on there, because that was
Speaker 2: a given. When SEC regular season wasn't on there, it
Speaker 2: was a given. There was one thing on this goal
Speaker 2: list every year, and it took thirty seconds for coach
Speaker 2: to write it on the board. And it was like,
Speaker 2: let's do it. I mean, and that's it's literally literally
Speaker 2: how it was that you were there every year. It's Kentucky,
Speaker 2: it's look, the fans are part of it. And when
Speaker 2: the fans expect one every year, and you know, look,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know what it was like during
Speaker 2: the struggling years, right, the Gillespie years, the you know,
Speaker 2: the years where you know, and I don't know what
Speaker 2: years these would even be. I know you would wear
Speaker 2: ye yeah, where it's like Patino's first year, yes, right,
Speaker 2: and where they're we're like, okay, all right, let's let's
Speaker 2: let's temper our expectations a little bit. Well, the fans
Speaker 2: rarely do that. And I've never been on a team
Speaker 2: where the where the where the expectations were tempered.
Speaker 1: I will tell you, if I may interject, Patino's first year,
Speaker 1: they were tempered because right we media fans whoever, we
Speaker 1: didn't know. People would ask me how many games are
Speaker 1: gonna win. I'd shoot my arms up in here, like touchdown,
Speaker 1: and I'd say seven, and I don't know where the
Speaker 1: seventh is coming from, but they'll upset somebody.
Speaker 2: And they went fourteen. Ye.
Speaker 1: I still think that might have been Patino's best coaching
Speaker 1: year all things you considered.
Speaker 2: You know, and not that I've ever shot away from
Speaker 2: from the stolen the incredibleness of that man. But do
Speaker 2: you know how much easier it is to finally do again,
Speaker 2: to be able to be able to say to people
Speaker 2: and know that I'm not going to get into an
Speaker 2: argument with some knucklehead.
Speaker 1: I want to get to that because the perceptions of
Speaker 1: him have changed thanks to Mark Pole in part. But
Speaker 1: let's come back to Mark Pole. Okay, yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: you know, if you're expecting a championship every year in.
Speaker 2: Mark and Mark and that's still.
Speaker 1: As like you as a shooter, you expect every shot
Speaker 1: to go in. Yeah, but that's not logical, right, you
Speaker 1: know you're gonna shoot.
Speaker 2: It best fifty Yeah? Okay? And then occasionally, not to
Speaker 2: pat myself on the back, but I will you get
Speaker 2: into an NCAA tournament, I don't know where you're shooting
Speaker 2: sixty five percent from three point line during the tournament,
Speaker 2: and then you have an argument with your teammate about
Speaker 2: who was the second leading scorer on that team that year,
Speaker 2: Wayne Turner. I was Ron Roser, Cameron Mills, Wayne Turner.
Speaker 2: He disputed that in a tournament. So in the tournament, yeah, yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that argument has been going on for about twenty five years.
Speaker 2: And to be honest, I'm afraid he has the stats
Speaker 2: to back him up. But in my heart I was second.
Speaker 1: That's all that mattered.
Speaker 2: Really it is, isn't it so Mark saying that? And
Speaker 2: I mean again, it's just it's so much fun just
Speaker 2: to hear Mark talk. And remember that this is Mark.
Speaker 2: This is what Mark used to do to us when
Speaker 2: we played. It was we were tired, we didn't have
Speaker 2: any more juice in aur gas in the tank for practice,
Speaker 2: and this idiot is saying, coach, are you sure we
Speaker 2: don't want to run some more? And look as mad
Speaker 2: as we were in those moments, and that happened maybe
Speaker 2: once or twice, right as mad, I mean the rest
Speaker 2: of us looking at this idiot like, dude, shut up.
Speaker 1: But you couldn't be mad at him.
Speaker 2: You can never be mad at Mark. You could be
Speaker 2: terrified of him.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm telling you the story where I thought
Speaker 2: he was gonna punch me.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: So we're doing a drill and again this is when
Speaker 2: this is ninety six. So I'm on the team, putting
Speaker 2: up playing barely in practice and we're doing a drill
Speaker 2: where basically it's a fast break drill and the guys
Speaker 2: have to the defense right, has to run back. Everyone
Speaker 2: getting the paint and it's spread out right, so you
Speaker 2: got to come back guard the paint and then you
Speaker 2: got to get out quick and guard the three. So
Speaker 2: it's basically run back and then close out. So it's
Speaker 2: close out drill really more anything. Well, I wasn't impressing
Speaker 2: anyone on the defensive part, but even back in ninety
Speaker 2: six and this is look, this is all due to
Speaker 2: coach p I was an assassin in practice. I was.
Speaker 2: You know who else was Chris Harrison. Chris Harrison was
Speaker 2: everyone hated him in practice. So my freshman year, I'm
Speaker 2: watching Chris Harrison, who never played, and that was the
Speaker 2: future I was looking at. Chris Harrison just absolutely destroyed
Speaker 2: the rest of the team when it came to drills
Speaker 2: like this, because the point was if the offense score,
Speaker 2: the defense isn't going anywhere. And so you stick Chris
Speaker 2: Harrison in a corner and where's he going Nowhere? He's
Speaker 2: gonna stay in the corner and drain one hundred threes
Speaker 2: in your face and you're never leaving before So I
Speaker 2: watched him do that my freshman year, and I thought,
Speaker 2: that's my job, and so that's why I became so
Speaker 2: I in practice, I literally we would do all these
Speaker 2: drills where if the offense score, defense had to stay
Speaker 2: in there and and Mark's doing does the same drill,
Speaker 2: and I love it because the defense starts barking at
Speaker 2: each other. They get mad, They're like, box him out.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just all this kind of stuff. And
Speaker 2: and so we had this drill where I went to
Speaker 2: the corner and defense got back and everyone started finding
Speaker 2: man to close out on and Mark ran at me right,
Speaker 2: and I had already hit like ten in a row, right,
Speaker 2: So Mark's closing out on me. Boss rolled to me
Speaker 2: and I launched one and before it's even halfway there,
Speaker 2: he turns around to box me out. And I mean,
Speaker 2: the ball is in flight and I and I because
Speaker 2: he's turned around and boxing me out, I smacked him
Speaker 2: on the rear end as hard as I can and
Speaker 2: then say to my team captain, who could roll me
Speaker 2: into a pretzel with one finger, because remember he was
Speaker 2: one of the strongest dudes on the team. I say
Speaker 2: to him, oh my god, and splash and I swear
Speaker 2: to you the moment. I lost myself in that moment,
Speaker 2: in my arrogance, because I literally the next thought I
Speaker 2: had was what did I just do? He's going He's
Speaker 2: gonna kill me. He is God, because they had been
Speaker 2: in the whole the whole defensive team were so angry
Speaker 2: at each other. It was so frustrated. We're so barking
Speaker 2: at each other. And now I've woken the real bear, right,
Speaker 2: and so I'm thinking, Okay, this is gonna be the
Speaker 2: first punch in your life. Handle it like a man. Wow,
Speaker 2: don't duck?
Speaker 1: Had he ever punched anybody in And he didn't even
Speaker 1: say anything to me.
Speaker 2: He walked away like he was frustrated, but he wasn't
Speaker 2: mad at me. It's like and that's just just Mark anyway.
Speaker 2: But listening to Mark say we failed this year, I
Speaker 2: got chills, yeah, because I'm like, look, it is a
Speaker 2: logical to expect one every year. However, that is the
Speaker 2: expectations of the fans. They're not going to win one
Speaker 2: every year. But when you have a coaching staff that
Speaker 2: says we fail unless we win the national championship, and
Speaker 2: that is their sincere thought. And I think we all
Speaker 2: saw that in that press coneence when Mark said, what
Speaker 2: are you talking about? We failed last year.
Speaker 1: We'll pick it up on the other side of the raak.
Speaker 1: We're talking with Cameron Mills here in the garage. Kentucky
Speaker 1: basketball not that far away. I know football is coming
Speaker 1: as well. Yes, yes, yes, we will have plenty of
Speaker 1: opportunities to talk football.
Speaker 2: I don't need to speak on that.
Speaker 1: Cameron's here in the garage. We'll talk more hoops and
Speaker 1: we'll talk about Cameron living in a house for a
Speaker 1: guy didn't read. He's living with people to write books.
Speaker 2: But they write children's books. I can read.
Speaker 1: You can still wait about right. You're on six thirty
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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, but this is the dream show you
Speaker 2: and I talked about all the time. Let's do thirty
Speaker 2: minutes on sports and just nonsense that matters to us
Speaker 2: for the next hour and a half.
Speaker 1: Silliness, as we say, but as advertised, we are talking basketball.
Speaker 1: We talked prior to the break about Mark Pope and
Speaker 1: what's expected each and every year. But of course, the
Speaker 1: day he was introduced, as they had coach, he said,
Speaker 1: we know the assignment, but you mentioned Rick Patino and
Speaker 1: it's it's just I think it began to turn UK fans.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they fully wrapped their arms back
Speaker 1: around Rick Pattino or not, but they were anybody who
Speaker 1: might have been on the fence about him and Mark Pope,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about Kentucky fans. When Patino released that
Speaker 1: video on I don't remember what social media.
Speaker 2: Plans I think it was. I think it was Twitter.
Speaker 1: Basically endorsing Mark Pope. The way he did it, I think, well,
Speaker 1: that kicked the door open.
Speaker 2: Well, here's what it definitely did. I think because he
Speaker 2: had he had already Look if he had just left Louisville. Yeah, Look,
Speaker 2: regardless of what happened there, you cannot argue with the
Speaker 2: fact that everywhere he's been, with the exception of the
Speaker 2: Boston Celtics, he has succeeded, massively succeeded. Okay, he got
Speaker 2: Louisville championship. He got us a championship, He made the
Speaker 2: Knicks relevant again, set took Providence to the final four.
Speaker 2: Except there there you go. I don't remember the next
Speaker 2: thing because I didn't know he was before he got
Speaker 2: to Kentucky. Right, And and now where's Saint John's been
Speaker 2: for the last thirty years, Dick? And now they're they're
Speaker 2: the top. It's the third. I mean, he's just the.
Speaker 1: Pick, the sharpie pick to get to the final four
Speaker 1: and maybe win at.
Speaker 2: This last they and they should have been because and
Speaker 2: that that's what I'm saying, is that regardless of the
Speaker 2: off the court stuff, what no one can deny, right,
Speaker 2: and I'm talking about national media, right, who shouldn't have
Speaker 2: to say it one way or the other. But what
Speaker 2: they're all what they all said about coach, and they've
Speaker 2: always he succeeded everywhere he's been, so he knows what
Speaker 2: he's talking about. Yes, yes, I mean, look that being
Speaker 2: another one.
Speaker 1: You know why he failed with Boston?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, in my opinion, President and coach, yes he was.
Speaker 2: He would not give guys a chance he wanted because look,
Speaker 2: and I'll put and you know this, So this morning,
Speaker 2: a friend of mine who may not and for no reason,
Speaker 2: but may not feel comfortable to me sharing his name.
Speaker 2: But you and I just talked about him. He is
Speaker 2: in the business of basketball, meaning especially I mean, he
Speaker 2: knows his stuff, works for a national uh what site
Speaker 2: that that everybody's familiar with, So he sends and he
Speaker 2: and I talk all the time about because he teaches
Speaker 2: me about analytics because I know very little about like
Speaker 2: what the heck is this acronym?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Why does this matter? So he's he teaches me all
Speaker 2: this stuff. So he sends me out of glue. I've
Speaker 2: talked to him in like two months, sends me out
Speaker 2: of the blue. And I don't know if you remember
Speaker 2: that picture. Do you remember that press conference?
Speaker 1: I was there. Okay, you're showing me a picture of Patino,
Speaker 1: thank you being introduced as the UK.
Speaker 2: And do you remember what he said? Because I do,
Speaker 2: and I remember it in the moment, even though one
Speaker 2: there I remember seeing it probably on on Channel twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Are going to be No, Well, yeah, I'm sure he
Speaker 2: said that. But here's what I remember. He's taking the
Speaker 2: mic and he's just been introduced by CM and he says, whatever,
Speaker 2: whatever or whatever, we're going to win and we're going
Speaker 2: to win immediately, and so that that is that this
Speaker 2: little part. And so my friend sends me this and goes,
Speaker 2: he seems terrifying here, I texted you back. I said,
Speaker 2: what do you mean here? I said, he is terrifying.
Speaker 2: He is an absolute sociopath, but also the greatest basketball
Speaker 2: coach ever, and I love him for everything. And then
Speaker 2: he goes Mark, and this is interesting. Mark seems traumatized
Speaker 2: by him. He always chuckles before he talks about him.
Speaker 2: He does, and I said, we all are traumatized still,
Speaker 2: I said, I'm not kidding. I said, there is an absolutely,
Speaker 2: there is absolutely some PTSD with us all. I said,
Speaker 2: it wasn't funny then it is now. And I said,
Speaker 2: by the way, watch the first forty seven minutes of
Speaker 2: Full Metal Jacket and find out what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I've told you that.
Speaker 1: That is.
Speaker 2: I cannot explain to people more accurately or more quickly
Speaker 2: what it was like playing for Coachatino didn't to say,
Speaker 2: watch the first forty seven minutes.
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen a movie, you camp the boot
Speaker 1: camp and and Lee ORMI LEI the drill sergeant, the
Speaker 1: d I terrorizes terrorized.
Speaker 2: And it is. It is both kids cathartic and PTSD
Speaker 2: inducing watching.
Speaker 1: That, and in real life, that's what he did in.
Speaker 2: The Army, and he was a ar the Army.
Speaker 1: He was a consult love the story film and he.
Speaker 2: They brought in an actor and He's like, let me
Speaker 2: show how to do it, and then he would do
Speaker 2: it and then and the director was like, why do
Speaker 2: we have an actor? This is this is brilliant, And
Speaker 2: then Arley got into acting. I mean I always faked that,
Speaker 2: but in that movie, in his element and in that movie, look,
Speaker 2: I'm not this is just slide exaggeration here, because clearly
Speaker 2: they were preparing for war and we were preparing for Syracuse.
Speaker 1: And his character as a tragic end in the.
Speaker 2: Movie, yes, it does, because he had abused one of
Speaker 2: his one of his recruits to the point and that
Speaker 2: that recruit, by the way, I love that transition from
Speaker 2: Pyle right the private his transition during boot camp from
Speaker 2: week yeah to strength.
Speaker 1: To insane yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, I I.
Speaker 1: Guess maybe that's a little overboard talk about Patino, but
Speaker 1: I mean let me talk. And again, you don't read,
Speaker 1: but for those of you out there who do, and
Speaker 1: some of you out there might have read a book well,
Speaker 1: When Pride Mattered, When Pride Mattered. It's a book about
Speaker 1: the green Bay Packers and Vince Lambar.
Speaker 2: You want to talk about green Bay?
Speaker 1: Written written by David Marenis, Polleterprize winning author. His son
Speaker 1: Andrew wrote a tremendous book about Perry Wallace, first black
Speaker 1: player in then cec anyhow football basketball? Uh football? For
Speaker 1: David marenth the Packers. You don't know who Perry Wallace is.
Speaker 1: I know whom I am going to lecture you like
Speaker 1: you wouldn't believe after we get.
Speaker 2: Off you always do. That's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they expand yours. It does your horizons anyway. In
Speaker 1: the Packers book, the guys and I've just read articles
Speaker 1: about this as well. After they were done playing for
Speaker 1: Vince Lambar, if they were in a social setting and
Speaker 1: Lombardi showed up, they would quickly put out their cigarettes
Speaker 1: and hide their cocktails and stand up straight and make
Speaker 1: sure their shirts were touched in it. And I'm reading
Speaker 1: that book and I'm like, that's Beatino.
Speaker 2: It's so the same thing. We are absolute. I mean,
Speaker 2: we are oh my gosh, so because you know, when
Speaker 2: we played Saint John's this year. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you know this, and I don't know if it's announce
Speaker 2: or not, but Mark has reached out to all that. Wait,
Speaker 2: I mean the entire ninety We have a reunion in
Speaker 2: Atlanta are sixteen. Now that may not be public knowledge.
Speaker 2: Maybe I shouldn't say anything, but it would eventually come out.
Speaker 1: It's just for the guys though, right, Yeah, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think we're gonna do anything public, but it's
Speaker 2: gonna be. It's gonna be. It's going to be the
Speaker 2: entire ninety sixteen and Coach Pete right and and I'm
Speaker 2: I'm it was going to turn into now when we
Speaker 2: had our reunion a few years ago that you went to, right,
Speaker 2: that whole thing was exactly what you were talking about
Speaker 2: because we had never seen him laid back. That's not no,
Speaker 2: who is this guy? I mean we were I remember
Speaker 2: walking on that boat, right, yeah, because you all were there,
Speaker 2: You and Jason were there. Yeah, you all were getting
Speaker 2: the documentary footage and I walked on that boat. And
Speaker 2: I'm trying to be I'm trying to put cool, trying
Speaker 2: to relaxed chills. Reunion. We're in South beach or Miami,
Speaker 2: wherever we were. We're getting on a freaking yacht. I mean,
Speaker 2: come on, you know, just strut a little bit. You're good,
Speaker 2: You're right right now, I'm missyching myself up to see
Speaker 2: the coach. There has no power over me anymore. He
Speaker 2: cannot make me run. But it what surprised me if
Speaker 2: you told me to Yeah, yeah, I do it. Are
Speaker 2: you kidding me? Listen? I will tell you how hard
Speaker 2: it is to play for this man. I will tell
Speaker 2: you that the way he coached there was a level,
Speaker 2: a level please hear me carefully, folks, level of emotional
Speaker 2: and mental abuse, especially if you define abuse the way
Speaker 2: a lot of people define abuse this way with these days,
Speaker 2: which is anything less than nurturing. Well, shoot, then everybody's
Speaker 2: abused everybody at that point. But there is a level
Speaker 2: of that with him. I mean there are psychological mind games.
Speaker 2: I was terrified of him. I knew that I owe
Speaker 2: him everything and adore him now and even if he
Speaker 2: was still because he relaxed towards us, but we're still
Speaker 2: uncomfortable around him, like we do not want to because
Speaker 2: back then, if you stepped out, if he saw you
Speaker 2: out of the fruitful vision. He yelled at his wife
Speaker 2: and our female adult trainer and kicked him out of
Speaker 2: practice one day. I mean it just he's so intense
Speaker 2: that when he's non intense, you're like, I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm in the twilight zone. I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: And yet Mark Pope, a successful protege, is not like that.
Speaker 1: But he might interesting, but he might have been. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about that on the other side of the break
Speaker 1: with Cameron Mills here in the garage on six thirty
Speaker 1: w LP Welcome back, Dick Gabriel in garage with Cameron
Speaker 1: Mills here on a big boone side. Or We've been
Speaker 1: talking about Mark Polk Kentucky basketball. We've talked about Rick
Speaker 1: Patino and his coaching style.
Speaker 2: Can I finish real quick, real quick? I promise. I
Speaker 2: just want to make sure everyone understands when I talk
Speaker 2: about him this way, and when we as a team
Speaker 2: about Patino, I hope everyone understands that the toughest period
Speaker 2: of my life, maybe it made me one or to
Speaker 2: I mean literally the toughest. I mean I almost I
Speaker 2: had moments, never suicidal, by the way, to be clear,
Speaker 2: but it got to the point where and I've told
Speaker 2: you this before privately, I maybe even said on your
Speaker 2: show for where my freshman year in particular was so
Speaker 2: hard making the adjustment to him that there were times
Speaker 2: where I had these thoughts, just thoughts, right, and they
Speaker 2: never went further than that, and I never would have
Speaker 2: done it. But that's these thoughts of you know, crossing
Speaker 2: Harrisburg Rove News Circle on my way home to get
Speaker 2: soulis from my mom because Dad wouldn't give it to me,
Speaker 2: because he just told me eight off rough stories where
Speaker 2: I'd like, you know, I could just run my car
Speaker 2: into this bridge and bugment, maybe just break my legs,
Speaker 2: and then I would have to play. Oh it was it?
Speaker 2: Listen it was that bad.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: But there are more lessons, more growth even to this
Speaker 2: day that I learned from that man. And this is
Speaker 2: what I will never ever be more thankful for is
Speaker 2: that he always coached me the way he coached his
Speaker 2: all Americans that he had no reason to. He told
Speaker 2: me when I was in his office and he said
Speaker 2: I could walk on, He said, are you sure, because
Speaker 2: you're never going to play here. But then he never
Speaker 2: coached me like I was never going to play here.
Speaker 2: He coached me like you better get together son, because
Speaker 2: I need you. But he never never said that to me.
Speaker 1: But he couldn't because if he was soft on you,
Speaker 1: what would that mean to the other guys? How would
Speaker 1: that affect the other players?
Speaker 2: I don't think it would have because I was a
Speaker 2: walk on junior year. May be different because I was
Speaker 2: now in scholarship and I and I hadn't earned that scholarship.
Speaker 2: Remember that scholarship was just there for some reason, and
Speaker 2: I still did this day. Don't understand why was it there,
Speaker 2: but he gave it to me. And by the way, again,
Speaker 2: it wasn't one of these magical moments you see on
Speaker 2: video all the time of you know, the walk on
Speaker 2: getting his scholarship, the coach announce again, everyone going crazy, No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: I heard it from his secretary because that's who he is.
Speaker 1: So there wasn't a fake phone, wasn't a meeting room.
Speaker 2: You know, it was a casual conversation where Martin mcmackett said, Hey,
Speaker 2: I think I think coach is going to give you
Speaker 2: a scholarship.
Speaker 1: Like no music, no soundtracks.
Speaker 2: That's nice, that's you know, I'm getting excited. I'm calling
Speaker 2: him mom and dad. And then next thing. I know,
Speaker 2: I've got a scholarship, But there was never I mean,
Speaker 2: he never told me.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: See, that's something Mark Pope would do. I think, oh absolutely,
Speaker 1: Although with the new house settlement, I don't think they're
Speaker 1: gonna be able to do that kind of stuff anymore.
Speaker 1: But that's the new one there. I'll explain it to you, okay.
Speaker 1: But as we show, Yeah, Mark Pope admitted that early
Speaker 1: in his coaching career he tried to be more of
Speaker 1: a hard ass. He tried to be more you know,
Speaker 1: he'll never be Rick Bettino, but that style, yep, and
Speaker 1: he realized that's not me.
Speaker 2: I think he realized that's not him, because it's definitely
Speaker 2: not him. But I think he also realized and I
Speaker 2: think I think this was part of this is part
Speaker 2: of the story. He realized that and look, there's a
Speaker 2: part of me that's an old buddy dud that's like
Speaker 2: as hard as that was for us, every kid needs that, right,
Speaker 2: Every young man needs to be coached that way because
Speaker 2: not only will he, you know, will he make you
Speaker 2: feel like he hates you. Will he make you feel
Speaker 2: like you are absolutely trash to him when you learn
Speaker 2: as it takes about a year in my case, to
Speaker 2: learn that no, he actually loves you. And this is
Speaker 2: the definition, not the only definition, but this is a
Speaker 2: definition of tough love.
Speaker 1: Why is Pope's successful now because he's professor positive in
Speaker 1: these practices.
Speaker 2: Well, you've been to many, many practices, but the expectations
Speaker 2: haven't changed. True, So what he's done is more, I
Speaker 2: would say of a Tubby way of doing it, where
Speaker 2: Tubby was still I mean, look the drop off of
Speaker 2: intensity from the not missing a single thing or not
Speaker 2: letting anything slide by as coach Coach P. Nothing slid by, right, nothing.
Speaker 2: If it was a slight failure, it was a complete
Speaker 2: failure and it better be fixed in the next five minutes. Right.
Speaker 2: Tubby was a little more relaxed. Right, we went from
Speaker 2: forty page scouting reports to one page front and back. Right.
Speaker 2: But Tubby's ability for us to and I've said this before,
Speaker 2: we played hard for Coach P because we were afraid
Speaker 2: not to. We played hard for Tubby because we loved him. Now,
Speaker 2: forty nine years old, I had the best of both worlds. Right.
Speaker 2: I had a man that I hated in the moment,
Speaker 2: but that I owe everything too, because again, he never
Speaker 2: treated me as though I was not an All American.
Speaker 2: He never coached me as though he treated all of
Speaker 2: us like we were walk offs. But he never coached
Speaker 2: me like I was anything underwalk an All American mark.
Speaker 2: I think, and this is what I was saying about
Speaker 2: kids these days, because I think I just don't know
Speaker 2: that you can because I think coaches relax. I don't think.
Speaker 2: I know Coach is still hard on his Saint John's players.
Speaker 1: Well, you could see on the TV show. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you watched it, but I guarantee you it's
Speaker 1: not the same as Saint John's as it was.
Speaker 2: At Kentucky, and it was not the same in his
Speaker 2: fourth year as it was his first year. Because I've
Speaker 2: heard from I've heard from Richie, I've heard from John,
Speaker 2: I've heard from Darren, I've heard from Mash, I've heard
Speaker 2: from I mean, you talked to Sean, you talked to
Speaker 2: all these guys that were there in the first year.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and they're like, I mean, they would come
Speaker 2: to our practices and when the practice was over, the
Speaker 2: heck was that? Which is what we do? When you know,
Speaker 2: like when I went when Coach was at Louisville and
Speaker 2: I went to see a Louisville practice, I'm like, what
Speaker 2: the heck is this? And I generally wanted to stand up,
Speaker 2: like in the middle of his practice, which wouldn't have
Speaker 2: done That would have been the stupid thing to do,
Speaker 2: but stand up and saying what is this? Do you
Speaker 2: want to fail here?
Speaker 1: I told Sean Woods's story real quick. Uh, Louisville won
Speaker 1: an NCA tournament game in rupp Arena the same year
Speaker 1: that Gillispie's and MT oh yeah, and Sean I bumped
Speaker 1: into Shawn. He said, yeah, I'm gonna go back to
Speaker 1: the locker room and say, hey, coach P I haven't
Speaker 1: seen him in a while. And so we go into
Speaker 1: the Louisvill locker room. I'm back there doing interviews and
Speaker 1: uh and Beatino. Actually I had just shaved my beard off.
Speaker 1: He actually recognized me where most people didn't. But anyhow,
Speaker 1: he said a load to me. I'm like, oh, okay, hey, coach.
Speaker 1: Well Sewn at one point was nearby a UFL player
Speaker 1: and the player hollered across the locker room. They had won,
Speaker 1: and the player yet, hey, coach, what time is the
Speaker 1: bus leaving? And Sean said he ducked Sean ducked. Sean
Speaker 1: wins like, Oh, this guy's about this guy's about to
Speaker 1: get it. I know what's gonna happen. I feel so
Speaker 1: bad for this kid. Oh, this is gonna be embarrassing.
Speaker 1: But Rick Patino said about fifteen minutes. Oh but and
Speaker 1: Sean looked up and thought, what is going on?
Speaker 2: Where eld is this? Sean did not feel bad for
Speaker 2: that kid. Sean was getting ready to enjoy what was coming.
Speaker 2: Because it happened to Sean a thousand times.
Speaker 1: I wonder now, I wonder because he's been there. We've
Speaker 1: seen video of Rick Patino at Mark Pope practices. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what must he think of the way Mark Pope coaches?
Speaker 2: Now, well again, coach p doesn't coach the same way.
Speaker 2: And I've not seen I've not seen one of his practices. Recently.
Speaker 2: A TV show, I don't even know what TV showre
Speaker 2: you talking about?
Speaker 1: Netflix documentary.
Speaker 2: I've been watching Archer. What's what's it called? Listen? My
Speaker 2: wife and I on date Night we are watching stand
Speaker 2: up comedians. That's what we watch. So what is the show?
Speaker 1: It's it's a documentary series.
Speaker 2: I don't like documentaries.
Speaker 1: Please move along. Even though you and I produced three
Speaker 1: award winning documents.
Speaker 2: Award winning, Yes, Emmy nominated one of them anyway, But
Speaker 2: what's the name? But what is it the documentary?
Speaker 1: I can't even remember. Oh my gosh, it's been so
Speaker 1: long since I watched.
Speaker 2: So it's on Netflix. Though. Is it about Saint John's
Speaker 2: about Coach P? Is it where that one clip came
Speaker 2: from him? Him in the locker room? Yes, if we
Speaker 2: talked about that, I got sent that. We all did, actually,
Speaker 2: because we talked about it when we were at one
Speaker 2: of the games, all the a bunch of Moiren players
Speaker 2: that played for P. We were all like, did you
Speaker 2: did do.
Speaker 1: You call it Red Storm Rising?
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, did you did you? Did you get that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no no no, I'm saying this is
Speaker 2: what people, all of us. God sent that clip and
Speaker 2: everybody and I got it from twenty people the same
Speaker 2: clip because I didn't know what they were induced. And
Speaker 2: their question was the same, is he really like this?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, this is not him, this is
Speaker 2: lovable Coach P. And yet you listen to what he's saying,
Speaker 2: and that's what he says in that in that little clip.
Speaker 2: And now I have to watch the documentary because it's
Speaker 2: gonna be again across between PTSD and absolute joy is.
Speaker 2: You sit there and you're like, you'll hear what he's saying.
Speaker 2: This is what we all need.
Speaker 1: Yeah, suck it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, get over your mistake. Now. The problem with that
Speaker 2: is it doesn't sound like he's over your mistake yet.
Speaker 2: But you have to get over it. And that was
Speaker 2: the big lesson is that, Hey, I'm gonna yell at you,
Speaker 2: I'm going to undress you right in front of all
Speaker 2: your teammates. You better correct his mistake. And the moment
Speaker 2: he's done correcting you, he's done. He has no doghouse.
Speaker 1: All of that said, yeah, what do you think of
Speaker 1: the way and I know he's your boy, but what
Speaker 1: do you think of the way Mark Pope coaches his
Speaker 1: team compared to the way Rick Patino coach.
Speaker 2: Here's what I think Mark does that I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people miss and I think I don't know this.
Speaker 2: I just I just think I've seen these moments and
Speaker 2: I'm I'm imagining what he will. He coaches right, he
Speaker 2: doesn't cuss, obviously, he doesn't rant and rave. He is
Speaker 2: the antithesis of coaching style from coach Fatinau as far
Speaker 2: as approaching the the what was always incorrectly named the
Speaker 2: student athlete and so, but he he has these moments
Speaker 2: where he's first practice, I was at all right, and
Speaker 2: I told you this. I think they're running right because
Speaker 2: first this hell week, right, first practice, this is the
Speaker 2: morning after madness. Even though I think they were actually
Speaker 2: practicing for that, they're running right. I mean they were
Speaker 2: doing these hard drills and then they're running. And that's
Speaker 2: that's what's similar, right, Mark Mark's expectations for conditioning same
Speaker 2: as coach Piece. And I don't think many people understand
Speaker 2: how and why that matters so much. Even though whether
Speaker 2: you're pressing for forty minutes or not, last five minutes
Speaker 2: of the game, who has the legs and you can
Speaker 2: accomplish the same thing we were doing back then in
Speaker 2: forty minutes full of court, you accomplish that half court.
Speaker 2: You can wear teams out and and that, and again
Speaker 2: it's back to most of the time, the team that
Speaker 2: wins the game is not necessarily the team that's the
Speaker 2: most talented. It's the team that has the legs in
Speaker 2: the last five minutes who's gonna finish the game. Because
Speaker 2: it's not just the physical fatigue, it's the mental fatigue.
Speaker 2: So Marcus at these moments though, where well in that practice,
Speaker 2: they're running and Brandon Garrison and and I think I
Speaker 2: only feel safe saying this because Brandon Garrison. You know,
Speaker 2: Marcus is very protective of his players, right, very protective
Speaker 2: of his players. And Brandon they were running and Brandon
Speaker 2: threw up, and again I'm sitting there like, darn straight,
Speaker 2: this is this is practice. I am at practice now,
Speaker 2: this is what it should be. And so he throws up,
Speaker 2: and managers come about cleaned up, and he winds up
Speaker 2: thrown up again. It's just it's I know it sounds cruel,
Speaker 2: but there's so much joy in my heart when I
Speaker 2: see stuff like this. And so Brandon throws up again,
Speaker 2: and Mark is pacing, and it just went They're just
Speaker 2: running sprints right into practice kind of stuff. And he
Speaker 2: comes up to me and he puts his head on
Speaker 2: my shoulder like I'm standing like I'm gonna realize, say,
Speaker 2: puts it on my shoulder. He goes, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know if you feel kept with me sharing this.
Speaker 2: He basically, he basically was concerned about the conditioning of
Speaker 2: his team and I'm like, Mark, this is day one.
Speaker 2: We were worse than this on day one. He's like,
Speaker 2: were we? I said, look, you weren't you weren't You
Speaker 2: weren't unless you had a barbecue sandwich for lunch and
Speaker 2: then threw up in your jersey. I said, but did
Speaker 2: We were all throwing up. All of us were struggling
Speaker 2: on that. We were struggling on day ten, I said,
Speaker 2: I said, do you remember the first day of practice,
Speaker 2: us walking out together and me as freshman? And you
Speaker 2: was like, you know, I think you were He was
Speaker 2: a junior and me, I mean terrified after that practice
Speaker 2: because that was the day after Madus and saying hey, hey, hey, hey, Mark,
Speaker 2: is that about as bad as it be? And he
Speaker 2: thought about it. I was hoping he would saying, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: oh that was horrible. No, no, he thought about it.
Speaker 2: He goes, mm, yeah, that's about as rough as it'll be.
Speaker 2: And he was not right at all. But Mark's way
Speaker 2: of doing it is he will put an arm around
Speaker 2: the kid and he will talk to them with more
Speaker 2: kindness but the same amount of expectation.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what people don't see who are
Speaker 2: looking at this contrast, because that's just you. I mean,
Speaker 2: everyone knows this at this point. Mark is just He's
Speaker 2: almost loving, caring people you'll ever meet.
Speaker 1: We'll take a break, come back and talk more Kentucky
Speaker 1: basketball with Cameron Mills here in the garage on six
Speaker 1: thirty WLAP Welcome Back, Final segment with Cameron Mills here
Speaker 1: in the garage. Of course we're talking Kentucky basketball. And
Speaker 1: you know, we've been talking about how tough the Patino
Speaker 1: was in you guys in Pope style. Maybe next time
Speaker 1: we'll talk about the portal and things like that. But
Speaker 1: what I wanted to ask you, and this is kind
Speaker 1: of about the portal when you walked in. We talked
Speaker 1: about Pope putting a team together for this year, and
Speaker 1: you believe he crushed it. And where I agree with you,
Speaker 1: because because he's got to me a perfect we'll find
Speaker 1: out on paper blend of incoming freshmen, the guys he
Speaker 1: has signed, the returning guys minus Travis Perry. You hate
Speaker 1: to see that, but you know, do what you gotta do.
Speaker 1: What you got to do.
Speaker 2: That hurt, yeah, uh.
Speaker 1: And then the guys coming through the portal. You know,
Speaker 1: the jigsaw puzzle he's put together. You can understand. I
Speaker 1: think Kentucky fans might have even higher expectations now they
Speaker 1: last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, they absolutely, because I think last year, as
Speaker 2: we were talking about earlier, last year's expectations were somewhat
Speaker 2: tempered because, like, like you were asked earlier about patinos
Speaker 2: first year, how many games you think we're gonna win?
Speaker 2: I got asked that question a thousand times last year,
Speaker 2: and all I said was, I don't know, but I
Speaker 2: honestly think it'll be more than we're thinking it will be.
Speaker 1: I thought, get to the second weekend and you're good
Speaker 1: that they did, and yet they maybe should have.
Speaker 2: Gone from Damien Fishback asked, asked me that like before
Speaker 2: a game, like he was prepping to do uh for
Speaker 2: ESPN SEC network. Yeah, So Damien came up and he's like,
Speaker 2: hey man, and this is like two thirds away through
Speaker 2: the season. He's like, hey man, listen honestly, he goes,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of putting together some stuff for the for
Speaker 2: the show he goes, or for the broadcast. He goes,
Speaker 2: what's Honestly? UK fans like, what is a realistic? But
Speaker 2: I mean, what's what is success this year? You should
Speaker 2: what they've done now, right, beyond what like, what will
Speaker 2: the fans? And that was just that's what he wanted
Speaker 2: to know. What will the fans? Deem as, Okay, we
Speaker 2: got the right coach, how how far do they have
Speaker 2: to go? And Deb and I both said Ded Moore
Speaker 2: sid for for UK basketball. Deb and I were standing
Speaker 2: there and he was asking us both because he thought, okay,
Speaker 2: well you live in like Centon, you got some idea
Speaker 2: of the you know what the fans are thinking. And
Speaker 2: we looked at each other and we both simultaneously said
Speaker 2: sweet sixteen. And because I felt like that was fair,
Speaker 2: that wasn't illogical. I think we could have gone further
Speaker 2: and or and I thought that at the time, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that was that was realistic this year and
Speaker 2: again going back to get what Mark said, we failed,
Speaker 2: which that is not what he's telling his players right
Speaker 2: to a degree, but he's not saying it like that.
Speaker 2: He's making a point that, look, I know the assignment
Speaker 2: and this is not a a B C, D E
Speaker 2: F class. This is a past fail. We didn't win
Speaker 2: it all, therefore fail, and that is that is truly
Speaker 2: how how he's got to think about it. And I
Speaker 2: think genuinely thinks about it, because that's the way the
Speaker 2: fans think about it, and that is the expectation at
Speaker 2: this school. You don't you don't hang eight banners and
Speaker 2: you don't have and I think this is the more key.
Speaker 2: You don't go through the lulls that Indiana has gone through,
Speaker 2: that UCLA has gone through, that all that that North
Speaker 2: Carolina has gone through. That maybe, with exception of Duke,
Speaker 2: Duke might be the only other school, the blue blood,
Speaker 2: the blue blood, right, the blue blood schools that has
Speaker 2: not gone through a lull right, I mean that that
Speaker 2: like where Okay, what is going on at such and
Speaker 2: such basketball? Well, we had two years of that with Gillespie.
Speaker 2: Actually really one year is the second year that was
Speaker 2: that was the one. But we've not had that we
Speaker 2: I mean every coach we've had, with exception of Gillespie,
Speaker 2: every coach we've had.
Speaker 1: The end of the Eddie Suddon era was not fun.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, what I'm saying is okay, and Eddie
Speaker 2: Sutton would be the other one then gillespiean Eddie Sutton,
Speaker 2: every other coach we've had has won a national championship. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean rup and beyond, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: if anyone remembers any of the coaches before. But they're
Speaker 2: like fifty of them. But that's the expectation. That's what
Speaker 2: Mark thinks, it says, and that's you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: And and what's amazing means he goes out and he
Speaker 2: puts together this team, and I love watching and I
Speaker 2: get I get into it too. As far as like,
Speaker 2: we've not signed anybody yet. The portal has been open
Speaker 2: for a day. Why don't we sign anybody yet? And
Speaker 2: it's like he, I cannot, it's so hard to explain.
Speaker 2: And you've you've probably seen it up too. But again,
Speaker 2: like I said about coach p and again here's a
Speaker 2: similarity between two of them. There are no missed details
Speaker 2: under Rick Patino when it comes to running his team,
Speaker 2: there really aren't. There are no missed details under Mark
Speaker 2: Pope when it comes to running his team, that staff.
Speaker 2: And he said this, He goes, we're gonna be better
Speaker 2: as a staff this year than we were last year.
Speaker 2: And that I don't think. I don't think fans have
Speaker 2: quite grasped that concept of how important that is. Of Hey,
Speaker 2: I thought that was really interesting. These guys, Yeah, these guys, look,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: They didn't come as a complete unit.
Speaker 2: No, they can't, right, well, one did, but Cody and
Speaker 2: then the rest of them. He went out and and look,
Speaker 2: all right, as he would with anything, who were who
Speaker 2: psychologically emotionally, who are gonna be the fits? And then
Speaker 2: who are the guys that I need they're gonna be
Speaker 2: able to teach? And then who are the guys that
Speaker 2: I need they're gonna be able to recruit? And you
Speaker 2: know what, he went out and find the best. Okay,
Speaker 2: what I find funny, interesting and just unfair right now,
Speaker 2: even though I love the portal, I don't love the
Speaker 2: portal as it is because we can't have guys playing
Speaker 2: one I mean five years, five teams. No, I mean, look,
Speaker 2: the whole point of the portal was it's unfair for
Speaker 2: coaches to leave after they promised the kid and their
Speaker 2: mother I'm gonna be here and take care of the baby.
Speaker 2: Right well, I don't think they lie to do a
Speaker 2: fair enough, but that wasn't fair, And it wasn't fair
Speaker 2: to punish the kids only for leaving, because the coach
Speaker 2: never gets punished for leaving early. It's not Yeah, I
Speaker 2: get it, somebody's paying to buy out, but he's not
Speaker 2: paying the buy out. So they went to the pendulum
Speaker 2: swung way too far, and now we got to swing
Speaker 2: it back to all right, you get one free transfer,
Speaker 2: no pennalum. But then we're gonna have to suck it
Speaker 2: up and learn how to play the team that we're on,
Speaker 2: because that's the part that I'm like. And again, old
Speaker 2: fuddy dud forty nine year old here sitting there saying,
Speaker 2: there's there's no there's no friction. Now you don't get
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get. I'm not gonna get played on.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go somewhere else, sit here and earn your
Speaker 2: playing time. And I look, I say that as someone
Speaker 2: who did it right and I and I understand that,
Speaker 2: and I understand that not everybody got to, but I
Speaker 2: got to not because I'm a hard worker, biggest Yeah,
Speaker 2: that is it is definitely a big key. But it
Speaker 2: wasn't just that. It was that I didn't have another
Speaker 2: option because of who my coach was. You will improve
Speaker 2: or you will die. I am no, I'm not kidding.
Speaker 2: It's it's Cramer in in the in the Jimmy Shoes episode. Right,
Speaker 2: they're plyometric, blometric. The muscle has to grow or it'll die.
Speaker 1: That is playing for scientist, always, always, always.
Speaker 2: The Bible and Seinfeld that that that solves life. People.
Speaker 1: You're you're guiding lights. Oh man, I promised you. And
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons I wanted to talk to
Speaker 1: you because I appreciate that your wife is a published author.
Speaker 2: Children Award winning a New National Award for one of
Speaker 2: her books. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Nice. And now your stepson has written a book so good. Well,
Speaker 1: I was going to say, he's an interesting.
Speaker 2: Kid, eleven year old on the autism spect.
Speaker 1: On the spectrum, and how did this happen?
Speaker 2: So he and Susan he is always it's difficult for him,
Speaker 2: and this is part of autism, is is it's the
Speaker 2: social aspect. A lot of times, right, A lot of
Speaker 2: them are brilliant, I mean absolutely brilliant. And he's terrifying
Speaker 2: in a sense.
Speaker 4: That let me interrupt you. I'm watching another documentary series
Speaker 4: on Netflix about horse racing and one of the most
Speaker 4: successful owners who had a horse in the Derby this year,
Speaker 4: was describing himself and he said, he says, I'm autistic,
Speaker 4: you know, and you would never know any incredibly successful
Speaker 4: businessman and has got great horses.
Speaker 2: Well and The thing about autism in general is it's
Speaker 2: called a spectrum because there are so many extra Susans
Speaker 2: said this to me one time that I thought and
Speaker 2: she had heard of somewhere else, but it was It
Speaker 2: makes so much sense now that I'm five years into
Speaker 2: knowing Alex, and that is that once you've met a
Speaker 2: person with autism spectrum disorder, you have met one person
Speaker 2: with autism spectrum disorder. You cannot lump these people in.
Speaker 2: Because Alex is I think gonna be I mean, he's
Speaker 2: gonna be a he is special needs. He's got special
Speaker 2: needs educator at his school and will next year in
Speaker 2: middle school. But he's with him an hour a day.
Speaker 2: The rest time he's in the classroom, and he thrives,
Speaker 2: and he thrives socially, and he thrives me. Now, look,
Speaker 2: he's still he doesn't always fit in.
Speaker 1: He's a little shy.
Speaker 2: Well yes, but he's not. He's actually I'll give you
Speaker 2: for example. So the book, all right, So this came
Speaker 2: out because Susan. Name of the book, name of the
Speaker 2: book is Chuckles, the Cheese and the Midnight Thief. All right,
Speaker 2: So this this book, Susan, and she does it better
Speaker 2: than I do obviously, but she's always trying to draw
Speaker 2: more out of him, right, because again it's not that
Speaker 2: he's shy, it's that he's seemingly uninterested. So he's not though,
Speaker 2: and he also it's tough for him. And look, I
Speaker 2: get this. I as talkative as I am. There's times when,
Speaker 2: like even Susan will say, so, how was and so
Speaker 2: it's fine, you know, I mean, and I've done that
Speaker 2: since a kid. We're also doing the same thing. So
Speaker 2: Susan tries to draw him out, asking questions, how was school?
Speaker 2: But then she's she knows detailed questions do that yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: and and that's and that and that's another one. That's
Speaker 2: another thing that makes Alex and I would assume to
Speaker 2: many other parents, and in my case, stepparents who have
Speaker 2: children on the spectrum, is that all right? Especially when
Speaker 2: it's your only child? Yeah, and this is Susan's only
Speaker 2: child and my only my only and his father's only child.
Speaker 2: How do you if you don't be experience raising another child,
Speaker 2: how do you differentiate between Okay, this is the authorism
Speaker 2: or is this just being eleven? Right? So you don't know?
Speaker 2: And but anyway, so Susan they were in the car.
Speaker 2: They were going somewhere, and Susan was trying to just
Speaker 2: as she calls, stretch him, which again is just a
Speaker 2: brilliant because again, I mean, we all need people in
Speaker 2: our lives stretching us. And Susan is very intentional about
Speaker 2: stretching Alex. And so she's getting the car and she
Speaker 2: they do this thing sometimes where she's like, if he's
Speaker 2: not talkative, she goes, let's make up a story. And
Speaker 2: so Susan, who has got who lived in Los Angeles,
Speaker 2: who has got improv training from Upright Citizens Brigade, I
Speaker 2: mean she has been through I mean, I mean like
Speaker 2: top level improv training in LA which I know a
Speaker 2: lot of people do that that are in that world.
Speaker 2: But he's the coolest thing about my wife, she was
Speaker 2: and uc B. So anyway, so Susan, she's she's basically
Speaker 2: without him knowing, she's teaching him how to yes and right.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so she's like, Okay, what's the lead character's name, Alex?
Speaker 2: Thanks for two seconds, chuckles the cheese, and off we go.
Speaker 2: And so in the next twenty minutes he tells this story.
Speaker 2: I mean, she's not prompting anymore in that because he
Speaker 2: loves this, he loves puppets, he loves acting out scenes.
Speaker 2: He and Susan a year into her marriage, they recorded
Speaker 2: a short film about a superhero that included Henry My
Speaker 2: Mike Gon Retriever who's since been had to put down.
Speaker 2: But so Susan decided that she took the story and
Speaker 2: she wrote it down right and then. And I didn't
Speaker 2: know she was doing that. I just had heard about
Speaker 2: the story and kind of dismissed it in the sense of, well,
Speaker 2: it's one of your many stories that Alex has come
Speaker 2: up with, and yet this one. All of a sudden,
Speaker 2: she goes down to her office every day and I
Speaker 2: think she's working on her next book, and she is,
Speaker 2: but it's not in the Dino Sprout series. It's not
Speaker 2: one of the it's not one of the ones you
Speaker 2: know her the series she's been working on. It's I
Speaker 2: go down and I look at I'm like, what is
Speaker 2: this like? Because this book doesn't look like she illustrated this.
Speaker 2: It doesn't look like any of her other books. And
Speaker 2: what I love about this book is that what she
Speaker 2: did is she took photographs and drew and drew with them,
Speaker 2: so like there's that's a photograph of human beings leg
Speaker 2: but she drew the pajama bottoms and the slippers on them,
Speaker 2: and it's the whole kind of illustrative theme of the book.
Speaker 2: But it's just a silly book about a cheese and
Speaker 2: a watermelon and a potato and a carrot who all
Speaker 2: come to life at night and somebody's having midnight snacky
Speaker 2: feelings and they come in and the vegetables and the
Speaker 2: cheese are all worried. I think about who's going to
Speaker 2: be eating. I don't even know the full story of
Speaker 2: the book. But as you read the book as much
Speaker 2: as you too long. It's too long for me, except
Speaker 2: it's too long. It's not a pamphlets thirty two pages,
Speaker 2: all right, all right, so yes, I've read the book.
Speaker 2: Note well it's been read to me. But anyway, so
Speaker 2: but Alex, and this is what I love, but it
Speaker 2: goes back out so it says, right, story h Alex Scott.
Speaker 2: Illustrations by Susan Scott Mills. What I love about this, though,
Speaker 2: is so we ordered everyone in the family ordered one.
Speaker 2: It's on Amazon, by the way, folks. Chuckles and Cheese
Speaker 2: and the Midnight Thief, and it's a children's book, right,
Speaker 2: I'd say five, six, seven, eight year old, maybe even me.
Speaker 2: So we get the actual first copy, first edition of
Speaker 2: the book in the household. Alx comes home from school,
Speaker 2: Susan and I are ecstatic to show him his book.
Speaker 2: He is an author, right, in the same sense that
Speaker 2: I'm an author, because I did thirteen hours of interview
Speaker 2: and brooks down he turned into a book, right, And
Speaker 2: this is perfectly described. Alex look at this and he
Speaker 2: knows it's coming all right. She's told him. She's actually
Speaker 2: shown him on the TV and she's flipped through in
Speaker 2: red jet. But this is the actual physical book. This
Speaker 2: is it, buddy, you were in I mean the Library
Speaker 2: of Congress. Yes, So we show him this. He's on
Speaker 2: the couch, he's just get on from school. That's his
Speaker 2: that's his space out time. He's on the couch, he's
Speaker 2: on his iPad. And I said, Alex, look, he looks
Speaker 2: up and sees his book and goes yeah. And that
Speaker 2: is him to a t. He's not shy, and he's
Speaker 2: not that it's something he's not disinterested. It's that his
Speaker 2: safe place is many times on his iPad. But then
Speaker 2: sometimes the safe place is making up silly stories with
Speaker 2: his mom and it's just so cool.
Speaker 1: Happy for him, happy for you, happy for your wife.
Speaker 1: Thanks for dropping by as always, are we done, are doing?
Speaker 1: It's so much more to say next time, Next time,
Speaker 1: come back and wrap it up on thirty comany lap
Speaker 1: that'll do it for now. Time only to say thanks
Speaker 1: to camera Milster dropping by, and please check out the
Speaker 1: book if you would. You can find it on Amazon.
Speaker 1: That's it. Good night from the garage and Lexington.
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